1 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:09,560 Welcome to this week's episode of the Crimson Cast Women's 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,280 Basketball Podcast. As always, Kevin Vera here 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,000 alongside my good friend Amanda Foster and we're going to talk 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,960 about all things women's basketball. 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,320 Of course, a big episode for you here today as Indiana is coming 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,960 off a tough loss against Stanford just a just a week ago. 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,560 And we'll we're going to preview these two upcoming matches 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,040 before they get into their big trip over there in Fort Myers. 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,800 But first, let me ask you, Amanda, how are you doing? 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,440 I'm doing well. It is the last week before 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,880 Thanksgiving break, which I think for everybody is a very 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,320 tough week. So everybody's super busy, 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,160 whether it's with sports or with school or projects or whatever 14 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:45,360 it is. So it's been a little bit 15 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,480 hectic, I'm not going to lie. But as always, I'm excited to be 16 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:50,960 in here talking about women's basketball. 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,280 And I'm excited for the women's basketball that we're going to 18 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,280 get over Thanksgiving and even in these next few days. 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,000 Yeah, I I'm doing OK. I'm a little sick, so I 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,560 apologize for those that are listening. 21 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,480 If my voice is a little, it's. Deeper than it normally is. 22 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,200 How awful I we were. I mean, we were just talking 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,920 before we went on air. How I got AI was reading 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,160 highlights today in studio in one of my classes and I was 25 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,840 just, I was chomping down little. 26 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,040 What do they call Ricola cough chops. 27 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,520 So I don't sound as horrible, but anyway, let's get right into 28 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,840 it. Like we mentioned, Indiana falls 29 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,880 to Stanford for the first loss of the season, a very difficult 30 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,640 one. They went over out West and they 31 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,720 lost 96 to excuse me. Yeah, 96 to 64 against the 32 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,120 Cardinals. It was arguably the biggest non 33 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,680 conference game of the year for the Hoosiers, but they just 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,280 simply got dominated. I mean there's no other way to 35 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,280 put it, Amanda. Indiana just struggled. 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,640 They didn't look like themselves. 37 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,680 They, I mean, they just got beat in every single way possible. 38 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,040 We'll get into more of the nitty gritty of that game. 39 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,000 But I mean, you you wrote about that game for us. 40 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,800 You watched that game. I didn't watch that game 41 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,640 entirely because I had to go over and cover the Army game. 42 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,840 I watched the first half, but we were texting back and forth of 43 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,960 what we were saying and neither of us had really anything good 44 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,080 to say. Right. 45 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,640 It's one of those games and it's you feel so bad when you say 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,400 things like this about about teams and about athletes, but it 47 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,760 was really just kind of embarrassing. 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,200 And like from a from a, you just have to look at it and say, 49 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,760 yeah, that was not very good. And I hate, I hate being that 50 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,240 kind of person. It just doesn't feel right to 51 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,360 me. But from an objective 52 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,360 standpoint, it was just not a good game for Indiana. 53 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,560 Like you said, nothing was really clicking. 54 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,000 They they weren't really doing what they wanted to. 55 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,440 And then Stanford was doing everything right and Indiana 56 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,760 couldn't make adjustments. They couldn't get the players 57 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,000 going that needed to get going. And they it wasn't that they 58 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,280 stopped trying. I felt like they did give effort 59 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,520 all the way up until the game ended, which is commendable 60 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,440 because they, you know, you have your bench players out there and 61 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,280 they're still trying, but it was just not up to par. 62 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,200 I think, yeah, it's it's embarrassing. 63 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,240 I mean, you use the word embarrassing and I think that's 64 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,200 the correct word to say it. Not because they didn't. 65 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,800 I mean, yeah, they didn't play well, but not because of the way 66 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,320 they played, just simply because the way they lost. 67 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,800 You know, because Stanford came out and just simply, I mean 68 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,520 dominate. I I hate to to sound like a 69 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,400 broken record and I hate to use that same word over and over 70 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,640 again. But is Stanford looked good on 71 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:29,560 every level that you can imagine? 72 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:32,320 When you beat A-Team by 32 points, there's nothing else to 73 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,560 say except that they dominated. So yeah, and I mean, I I was 74 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,480 going to try to figure this out. I forgot. 75 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,360 I mean you said it. It's a, it's a busy week. 76 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,200 I was going to try to figure out where this this ranks and the 77 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,520 most and biggest losses in terms of point differential Indiana's 78 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,400 had because it would. Have to be up there. 79 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,640 It's got to be up there. And especially recently just 80 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,760 because recently they've been so, so good. 81 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,200 But yeah, 32 point difference against the PAC 12 team is 82 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,400 tough. And and you know Cameron Brink, 83 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,080 obviously it started through her for the Cardinals. 84 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,040 A double double for her. Twenty points, 17 rebounds. 85 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,200 And the biggest story line of that game heading into that that 86 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,840 matchup was obviously Brink against Mackenzie Holmes. 87 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,399 And I texted you Amanda. I was like Mackenzie just 88 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,279 doesn't look good. Yeah you I I remember and that 89 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,440 was that was kind of early on too because it was kind of just 90 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,280 right from the get go Stanford with Cameron Brink and Kiki Irf 91 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,000 Iriafan. I think, yeah. 92 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 That's how you pronounce it. I ireasin. 93 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,920 Yeah, ireasin. That's what we're doing with it. 94 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,640 Well, I think I'm pretty sure that's right. 95 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,320 I'm so sorry if it's not. But they they're both, They're 96 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,480 like 6364. They were dominating and 97 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,120 Mackenzie Holmes couldn't figure out how to effectively get out 98 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,840 of the double team and even effectively kind of get the ball 99 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,920 out to her teammates. And she didn't score until the 100 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,920 second-half. Yeah, so that that kind of tells 101 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,360 you almost all of what you need to know. 102 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,600 Is if you have very little production from Mackenzie 103 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,760 Holmes. She finished with eight points 104 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,560 and two rebounds and I don't remember when she got those 105 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,440 rebounds, but that's like the the fact that she didn't score 106 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,840 in the second-half really stands out to me as just if you need to 107 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:17,040 describe the game, that's something that you can point to 108 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:22,040 in it of itself because it was that did not help Indiana at 109 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,200 all. But you know, obviously, but 110 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,320 that definitely changed up. You know how they were hoping to 111 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,440 to play in the game? Yeah. 112 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,240 No, I mean, Terry, we'll get into more better a little bit 113 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,280 after the presser because I thought the presser was a very 114 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:41,920 good and indicative of what Indiana was feeling like. 115 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,240 You know what I mean? That's, I mean, I know it's a 116 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,000 little cliche to say because obviously that's what post game 117 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,320 pressers are for, get the thoughts of the coaches and the 118 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,720 players right after the game. But if you watch that presser 119 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:58,400 you you see immediately just the the disappointment in both 120 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:04,440 Sydney Parish and Coach Morin's face because coach Terry Morin 121 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,480 said it at at some point during the presser. 122 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,520 They are a much better team than what they showed. 123 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,440 Yeah, and that's obviously true. You know what I mean? 124 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,000 They were one of the best teams last year. 125 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,680 They're one of the best teams heading into into the season 126 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,120 this year and but I mean there's just no other way to go around 127 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,520 it. They just got dominated on on 128 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,440 every level. And Mackenzie to go back home. 129 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Mackenzie Mackenzie looked like the game was speed up for her. 130 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:31,760 You know there was the thing about Stanford that they do 131 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,480 really well is they they have two big physical post presents. 132 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,160 Indiana only has one. We talked about it in the last 133 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,680 week. In last week's episode is when 134 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,920 Mackenzie wasn't on the floor. We were curious to see who was 135 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,480 going to go in. In this case it was going to be 136 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,520 Lily Meister. She played. 137 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,560 She played 8 minutes, you know what I mean? 138 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,360 But she was kind of the one that's going to that was filling 139 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:56,720 in for Mackenzie. And you know when you have two 140 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,000 players like Stanford does and Kiki and and then Cameron Brink 141 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,080 and you and you pair them up against Mackenzie, it's it's 142 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,520 difficult just by that. And then when Mackenzie's off 143 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,960 the floor, it gets even more difficult. 144 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,640 They speed up the game. They use their advantage, which 145 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,760 is 2 post players, 2 post players that run their offense. 146 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,800 I mean they were the two leading scorers for them. 147 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,800 Kiki had 20 points, Cameron at 20 points. 148 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,120 I mean, that's 40 points right there. 149 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,280 That's. Almost both. 150 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,920 Double digit rebounds. Yeah, exactly. 151 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,920 They they both had double digit rebounds. 152 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,200 They both had double, double S, could get out of, had 11, 153 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,720 Cameron at 17. But they speed up the game. 154 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,120 They used Indiana's advance and we actually talked about it. 155 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,880 We knew exactly how it was going to go down in terms of what 156 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,760 Stanford's plan was going to be. And then Stanford went out, 157 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,320 executed it, and then Indiana just simply couldn't, couldn't 158 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:47,280 catch up. They never LED. 159 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,240 They never LED at any point in the game and they trailed for 160 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,640 the entire 40 minutes, all four quarters. 161 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,000 Indiana was down. And I mean, you know, it's one 162 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,840 thing to, you know, be down I guess eight points and then come 163 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,400 back. You know, you say fine, that's 164 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,200 feasible even, you know, last night I, you know, this is a 165 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,200 different example, but Kansas, Kentucky and over in the 166 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,560 championship concept, Kansas, Kansas was down 17 points at one 167 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,720 point. But you know, you can get 168 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,320 yourself back into a game in those type of situations, but 169 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,840 when you're trailing for an entire basketball game, I mean 170 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,840 that's that's a lot to ask for. Well, and it's hard to get back 171 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,440 into those games when you can't make baskets. 172 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,760 Yeah. And they they. 173 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:29,880 There you go. Yeah, that's also to. 174 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,400 Put in like very bluntly, that is a big you know it's not going 175 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:38,000 to help you win a game and the the thing that Stanford did so 176 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,440 well, they came out so strong and you, like you said, they 177 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,480 played so quickly. And they were also making shots 178 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,040 that I think Indiana was not expecting them to make. 179 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,000 The way that Terry Moran talked in the post game press 180 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,560 conference because she said like they came out and they they 181 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:52,320 basically punched Indiana from the beginning. 182 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,040 And the fact that they kept making they made six of their 183 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,160 11/3 pointers in the 1st 10 minutes of the game and Cameron 184 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,280 Brink was shooting 3 pointers and nobody thought Cameron. 185 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,680 Brink was going to shoot 3 pointers, but she was and she 186 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:06,920 was making them and Indiana could not make 3 pointers. 187 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,160 They went five for 32 and Indiana's not a team. 188 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,760 We were talking about this. Who is really? 189 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,520 Not necessarily. I don't know if equipped is the 190 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,720 right word, but they're not a team that shoots 30 + 3 pointers 191 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,840 because they usually don't have to because you have a player 192 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,240 like Mackenzie Holmes. But the fact that Stanford was 193 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,560 just doing things, obviously Indiana prepped for a long time 194 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,520 and they they had an idea of what to expect and I think they 195 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,360 prepped pretty well. I think Stanford exceeded those 196 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,880 expectations and was just getting they were hitting all 197 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,000 the shots that they were. They were taking basically in 198 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,640 Indiana didn't have a way to counter that. 199 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,600 I mean you brought up the execution and I think I mean 200 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,760 like you mentioned, I mean Indiana went out and they had a 201 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,760 plan. I, you know in in my eyes, the 202 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,640 way Indiana was going to win this game is with three-point 203 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,600 shooting. Because I mean if you if you 204 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,680 play a team like Stanford and you focus on, I mean Mackenzie 205 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:01,080 was getting doubled at the beginning of the game, which 206 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,680 brings obviously you have to crash into defenders in the post 207 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,160 whenever that happens, meaning somebody somewhere is going to 208 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,320 be open probably on the outside, I think that's how Indiana was 209 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,440 going to win this game. But when Indiana wasn't able to 210 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,280 get that rhythm sorted out in the first opening minutes, 211 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,560 everything just kind of fell, fell down and. 212 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,240 Sorry, go ahead. No. 213 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,560 And then you we saw it. It just ended up in and then 214 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:29,880 checking up threes and hoping they were going to fall and like 215 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,200 because the the idea of it is a great one because you have 216 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,280 capable 3 point shooters, but when they're not able. 217 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:37,960 They get set up and they're not in the right spot and it's just 218 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,200 not the right rhythm and right flow. 219 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,880 It's you're you're toast. And and here's the thing. 220 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,320 I mean, Indiana is more than capable of making threes. 221 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,000 But they just weren't making them. 222 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,520 I mean. Which, and it's just one of 223 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,240 those games. Yeah, it's just one of those 224 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,240 games, I think. Unfortunately, I think, yeah. 225 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,600 I think it's one of those games where it's Indiana played 226 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,560 against the team that was more comfortable at this point of the 227 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:05,960 season. We I can, we talked about it in 228 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,800 last week's episode, you know, and it's just, yeah, it it was 229 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,000 just one of those games where nothing was working for you. 230 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,560 It was just one of those games where the opponent was just 231 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:17,280 simply better. You know what I mean? 232 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,200 I'm not going to go out and say that Stanford's a Final Four 233 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,360 team or they're one of the. I mean, yes, they're one of the 234 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,480 best teams in the country, but I'm not going to say they're 235 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:29,080 national champions just yet. But on that night, Stanford was 236 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,880 by far, yeah, the better team. Well, and I remember talking 237 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,560 about this and I don't know if it was on the podcast, but I was 238 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:38,840 definitely like saying this to people before the game that I 239 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,760 thought Stanford did have an advantage. 240 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,160 Even though Indiana was technically favored, they were 241 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,320 the higher ranked team and all of that. 242 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:48,840 I favored Stanford. I think I did say that on the 243 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,200 podcast and I thought going into it they should have been ranked 244 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,680 higher than 15th from the. Get go, yeah, yeah, like 100%. 245 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,680 And we saw that because they moved up what 9 spots in the 246 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:03,520 most recent AP poll now but like they should have been higher 247 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,520 than 15. I think in Stanford and Indiana 248 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,680 we're we're closer well and I going into it than a lot of than 249 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:11,080 the poll showed. So, and I mean, you can make the 250 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,840 argument, yes, I mean it's only the 1st 2:00-ish weeks of the 251 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,040 season, but you can make the argument they're the best team 252 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,080 in the PAC 12 now because Utah, Utah loss yesterday against 253 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,360 Baylor pretty. I mean it was, I believe like 10 254 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,320 points ish or so, maybe a little bit less. 255 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,720 But anyway, I mean, yeah, it's it's just Stanford was Dom. 256 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:34,560 I mean, also just to make her point even bigger about Stanford 257 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:39,200 just being super good, I mean they shot 50% from the field, 11 258 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,320 for 29 from threes. I mean, you can play the best 259 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,760 basketball game in your life, but if the opponent is making 260 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,400 one out of every two shots, you're not going to win. 261 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Yeah, no and. Out rebounding you 50 to 27. 262 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:57,720 Yeah, it's it's just tough. I do want to point out on the 263 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,040 bright side because I we've got it in the notes here that 264 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,000 Mackenzie Holmes is now second in all time scoring. 265 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,240 Mackenzie moves up all time, 2nd and in the Indiana women's back. 266 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,560 That's that's the one. That was her first bucket of the 267 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:11,160 game. Because her first bucket, Yeah. 268 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,320 She was only two points off, yeah. 269 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,600 So, right, right from the jump in the second-half, yeah, she 270 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,520 moves up into second all time and now she's just behind Tyra 271 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,360 Bus, which probably is it is. It's going to be difficult to 272 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,880 catch up to her. Mackenzie's at 1925 points. 273 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:34,800 Tyra Bus is 2364 points. You know, I mean, yes, you have 274 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,000 an entire season ahead of you still, but you know, I mean 275 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,640 that's almost 400 points that you got to get. 276 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,040 That's a lot of that's. A lot of points. 277 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,000 I actually don't know how many points like Mackenzie has 278 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:45,880 gotten. I'm. 279 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,280 I'm about to look that up. I'm curious per season, but it's 280 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,560 going to be difficult nonetheless. 281 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:54,640 But anyway, just another reason why Mackenzie is cementing 282 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,640 herself in in this Indiana legacy but legacy. 283 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,040 But yeah, yeah, that was one of the things that one of the few 284 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,160 bright spots. What do you have for? 285 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:07,320 Us So last year she scored a total of 692 points. 286 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,040 So I guess it is possible. So it is possible, Yeah, I guess 287 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,200 if you. And then the year before that, 288 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,760 380-1480. And then 344. 289 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:16,400 Her freshman year. So. 290 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,480 So you said 600, three, 8400 and then 300 her freshman year. 291 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:20,960 Fish. Yeah. 292 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:21,600 Fish. OK. 293 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,280 I mean, yeah. So it's definitely possible. 294 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,560 She Yeah. So we'll see. 295 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,120 Yeah, we'll see how this season goes. 296 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,080 She's probably got an average what, like low 20s in order to 297 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,960 achieve that. Probably something like that. 298 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,760 You have to do the math. But I'm bad at math, but I'm bad 299 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:36,920 at. Math. 300 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,160 I'll admit it. But yeah, I mean that was one of 301 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,920 the few if not the only bright spot of the game for the 302 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,960 Hoosiers and and to sort of wrap things up on on the Stanford 303 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,000 game because I know, you know, as as the Indy Indiana fans that 304 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,040 are listening to us right now, they probably don't want to hear 305 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,160 this whole thing, everybody. Yeah, everybody knows it. 306 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,000 I want to talk about the postgame presser because that 307 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,120 was one of the most interesting pressers I've seen in a while 308 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:07,720 from Terry and and Sydney and and you know it, Terry, in her 309 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,880 opening statement, we were talking about it earlier today, 310 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,320 Amanda, she just said it was an old fashioned butt whooping. 311 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,760 That's that's what it was. You know what I mean? 312 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,480 Indiana got punched with A12, you know, a little jab, a little 313 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,920 cross and and they weren't able to recover. 314 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,320 But the the thing that really stuck out to me from from that 315 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,280 is Sydney mentioned that after the team went into the locker 316 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,200 room after the game and Terry said, hey, maybe this is a 317 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,960 blessing in disguise. And I and I quote a blessing in 318 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:42,120 disguise because I think we hinted at it in the podcast that 319 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,960 if Indiana loses this game, they're just simply going to use 320 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,400 this game to get better. Because that's what these type 321 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,040 of games do to you. You know what I mean? 322 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,920 These type of games when you face a high level opponent and 323 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,400 especially when you sort of you know get you know, trampled on, 324 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,760 you know it's it's you take a step back and it humbles you a 325 00:15:58,760 --> 00:15:59,560 little bit. Right. 326 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,240 And and what, forget basketball for a second. 327 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,880 What is life? I mean oh boy, no, no, I mean 328 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,520 you, you win some, you lose some and when you lose, you know you 329 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,520 get back on your feet and then you, you know, you come back out 330 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,560 and you come better, you come out on top better. 331 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,800 And and I think that's what this, this is all going to be. 332 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,600 I mean Indiana's not really going to suffer from this in, in 333 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,120 the long run, obviously not. I mean it might. 334 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,160 I mean it's probably going to have implications in terms of 335 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,920 seeding once we get to that point in mid in mid March. 336 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,520 But you know, even then people are gonna understand this was 337 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,520 their first or, I'm sorry, their second game of the season. 338 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:36,640 Right. And there's so many 339 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,160 opportunities to bounce back. Yeah, like you said, and I 340 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,600 think, I think my dad said this when I was talking to him about 341 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,000 it. Now that you don't have the 342 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,360 pressure of being undefeated, Yeah, so like if. 343 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,040 You get halfway through the season and you're still 344 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,880 undefeated. Like, that's a lot of pressure. 345 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,160 I mean, you don't have that anymore because you lost like, 346 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,880 you know, So it takes. It's a reality check. 347 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,160 For everybody to know, because like everybody says, and Sidney 348 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,000 was talking about this in the post game press conference, 349 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,200 everybody says and everybody has this idea that you always have 350 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,920 to play your best because the teams that you play are going to 351 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,920 want to beat you. But you have to be shown that to 352 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,440 really, truly understand that. And when you have a relatively 353 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,640 young team with the freshman and even the sophomores who didn't 354 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,720 play in a whole lot of maybe like the most important minutes 355 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,720 of these big games from last year, like they have to realize. 356 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:27,680 Really what it takes and so I think that is one of the 357 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:32,200 positives is that now they know what it feels like for better or 358 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,040 for worse. But like at this point, that 359 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,440 early in this early in the season, that's. 360 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,480 I think that's fine in the long run. 361 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,040 Yeah. And and again it's it's a 362 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,080 learning curve for everybody. I mean this team, let's keep in 363 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,760 mind this team is a top ten team heading into the season. 364 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,280 This team is an all American. This team has very good pieces. 365 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,840 But there's this team has not played together right that that 366 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,680 much. They just simply haven't So and 367 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:04,160 and that was my biggest worry heading into Stanford was OK, 368 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,720 Indiana has all the talent in the world and yes they can very 369 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,160 easily win this game. But the one thing that Stanford 370 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,480 has in front of them is just simply the years of experience 371 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,680 that they have as a group. Well, they're also a relatively 372 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,560 young, young group as well. But Indiana especially, just the 373 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,280 amount of pieces they have that it came into this year and sort 374 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,880 of the new roles that the veterans got to play into, 375 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,240 that's something we're seeing for the very first time. 376 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:33,120 So I think that's when you look at it, that's just at a sort of 377 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:35,560 broad perspective. I think that's why, Indiana. 378 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:36,080 Lost. Yeah. 379 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:37,400 Yeah. No, that's fair. 380 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,200 Yeah. So, yeah, like we mentioned, 381 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,920 Indiana suffers the first loss of the season. 382 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,600 A tough one against Stanford, but you know they'll keep on 383 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,560 moving. They got their they got two 384 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,800 games this upcoming weekend. This next upcoming upcoming game 385 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,920 is November 17th this Friday against Murray State. 386 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,880 A little bit more about the Racers. 387 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,440 The Racers went 15 and 16 last year. 388 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,480 They had a good season. In 2122, they went 22 and 10 389 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,240 that year, made the NIT tournament, eventually lost in 390 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,280 that one, but had a little bit of a down year. 391 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,800 This is their second game against a Power 5 opponent and 392 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,560 they already played Arkansas just a few just a few days ago 393 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,560 and lost that game against the Razorbacks. 394 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,600 But a key player for Murray State is Caitlin Young. 395 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,880 She was voted to be a mid major player of the year candidate. 396 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,040 They are sort of near the bottom of the Missouri Valley 397 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,080 Conference. They are picked 8th right now in 398 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,240 their pre season pull. It's just their second year and 399 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,520 in that conference they were in the OVC beforehand. 400 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,320 But yeah, I mean, what are your thoughts heading into that game, 401 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,600 Amanda? I'm going to be honest. 402 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,840 This is a bounce back game and this is a game that Indiana 403 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,040 needs to win handily, and I think they have. 404 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,200 They're very capable of doing that, but that is that is what 405 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,120 this game is. This is an opportunity for them 406 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,720 to get checked back in. Of course it's a guess against a 407 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,000 lesser opponent than Stanford, obviously, but it doesn't 408 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,280 matter. And it like at this point, it 409 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,800 doesn't matter who you would be playing it if whatever team it 410 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,760 is it, you need to approach it as seriously as you would any 411 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,480 other game. Because you don't want any of 412 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:19,440 the the negative feeling or the negative mojo if you will from 413 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,680 Stanford to carry over. I'm also curious to see because 414 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,280 I was looking at the the stats from Murray State and they're 415 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:30,160 they're a decent 3 point shooting team and the the three 416 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,600 pointers are something that has stuck in my mind since the 417 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,200 Sanford game because I'm just curious what Indiana how they're 418 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,920 going to adjust to that because they we've we talked about this 419 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,480 they have very capable 3 point shooters. 420 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,560 So I want to see how they, how they approach that now because 421 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,000 obviously you're going to have Mackenzie Holmes who is not 422 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,560 going to be as challenged as she was, so she'll be able to pick 423 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,280 up some of the slack. But I would really like to see a 424 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,680 concentrated effort to get like City Parish, Garden Grozone and 425 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,840 Sarah Scalia, a lot of attempts from three and have them make 426 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,560 them because that we talked about it. 427 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,440 That is such an important part of this team's game, and I think 428 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,720 this is a really good time for them to work on that and figure 429 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,400 out kind of how to fix what went wrong against Stanford because 430 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,160 they did have open shots, they just weren't making them. 431 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,080 Yeah, I mean, sorry, you said it perfectly. 432 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,360 This is a bounce back game. I mean, Indiana is gonna, you 433 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:22,920 know, when you're playing an opponent like this, I think the 434 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,560 one thing that you want to see is just sorry. 435 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,360 The one thing you want to see is just the. 436 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:34,960 Sort of the emotional and mental bounce back more than anything. 437 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,960 Yeah, the game is one thing, but it's more about the mentality. 438 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,120 Yeah, I mean, you have all the talent in the world. 439 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,640 I don't want to say not practice and just go out there and hoop, 440 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,880 but I mean, you have the talent enough to take things a little 441 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,160 bit less less, be a little bit more loose out there, you know 442 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,760 what I mean? You're not, you know, going out 443 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,120 there and playing a top 15 team in the country, but. 444 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:59,520 Yeah, I mean, I think really it just the thing I'm going to be 445 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,480 observing Friday night is I'm going to be watching the bench. 446 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:11,520 I'm going to be looking at sort of just like as weird as this 447 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,360 may sound, like the posture and sort of the facial expressions 448 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,960 of everybody on the team on the bench, on the court. 449 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:20,720 Because, you know, it's not easy. 450 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,000 You know, it's not easy to, you know, be. 451 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,400 You know, be the defending Big 10 champions and be one of the 452 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,280 best teams in the country and then go out and lose by, you 453 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:35,880 know, 30 plus points in a game that you expected to go a lot 454 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,160 better. You know what I mean? 455 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,320 You know? So yeah, I I think that's the 456 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,720 biggest thing that I want to see from Indiana is just sort of the 457 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,040 the way they carry themselves before the game, during the 458 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,480 game, after the game, how what are the spirits feeling like 459 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,720 because? We're going to talk about this 460 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,040 later. Let's not get too ahead of 461 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,600 ourselves. But yes, they have 222 games 462 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,920 before that are relatively easy before Tennessee. 463 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,120 And I mean, Tennessee is also a top team in the country and so 464 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:07,880 and and they have big post players. 465 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,120 Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I mean, look, it'll be 466 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:13,760 a bounce back game for them. I think they'll be more than 467 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:19,120 just fine, but just sort of the way the attitude this team is 468 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:21,600 going to have. For this game is what I'm going 469 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:27,000 to notice because you know it it takes a lot to go up there and 470 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,080 and on a, you know, in front of your home court on a national 471 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,880 stage and and come back after a crushing loss like that. 472 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,120 And you got to look at it the right way, right. 473 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,520 You know what I mean? You got to look at it with with 474 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:43,120 all, with everything in mind like, hey, this like, I mean 475 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,320 Terry said it a blessing in disguise a learning curve if we 476 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,760 should say. But yeah, I mean. 477 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,640 It should be pretty easy. Is there anything else you want 478 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,840 to throw out there about that game? 479 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,880 No. Kind of just like you said, it's 480 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,160 it's all about perspective. And there's no way that the, in 481 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,920 my mind that the mentality hasn't shifted a little bit for 482 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,520 this team after that loss. But I also think that they are 483 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,960 fully equipped with the leaders that they have on the team and 484 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,720 on the coaching staff that they they're going to be locked in. 485 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,960 And I'm not really concerned about their mentality because 486 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:20,680 they have everybody either knows what it's like to lose or can 487 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,400 hear what it's like. They all they all work together. 488 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,240 They all know each other. They can alltel each other and 489 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,440 work and figure out how to come into it with the right mindset. 490 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,840 And so I think it's just it they're, I think they're going 491 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,360 to be, they're going to be just fine. 492 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,920 Yeah. One more thing before we go on 493 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,840 to the other game. I'm actually really excited to 494 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,720 watch Caitlin Young. We talked about her a little 495 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,560 bit. She's one of the better players 496 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,960 and she has the chance to be one of the best players in at the 497 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,480 mid major level and she's really setting herself to be at one of 498 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,400 the better players in Murray State history. 499 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,960 Just last year she was able to, you know, be a preseason first 500 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,240 team in the MVC. She led the team in scoring with 501 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,040 21 points per game. She was eventually named to the 502 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,720 first team. All MVC, most points that made 503 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,480 third most points in a single game ever in Murray State 504 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,880 history with 43 against Drake. That was back in January. 505 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,680 So yeah, I'm, I'm, I mean a very good quality player right there. 506 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,640 Excited to see her pair up against Mackenzie Holmes. 507 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,280 So to see how Indiana goes up against her especially you know 508 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,000 when you we we've been talking so much about forwards and post 509 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,200 players and whatnot. But yeah, that game will be on 510 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,040 Friday, 7:00 PM. Eastern here. 511 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,040 We'll both be there. Of course, of course. 512 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,880 But yeah, that's the first game of this week for Indiana. 513 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,640 The second game will be Sunday, November 19th at 2:00 PM, two PM 514 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,680 against Lipscomb. The Bison were 20 and 12 last 515 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,560 year, but one of the best seasons in program history after 516 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,800 a tough 2022 season. Sort of similar to Murray State 517 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,560 in that. In that perspective, they were 518 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,520 20 and 10 or I'm sorry, 10 and 20 that season. 519 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,840 But then. Eventually made the flip to 20 520 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,960 plus wins, Twenty wins that season. 521 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,120 It was their best season since 2003, 2004. 522 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,600 They eventually lost in the Ace on conference semi finals 523 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,960 against Liberty. They were picked second this 524 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,360 year just behind FGCUFGCU. We were talking about Amanda, 525 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,200 one of the better mid major teams. 526 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,040 They were ranked last year at one point and they have three 527 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,720 all conference preseason players. 528 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,720 Bella Vinson, Aaliyah Sorrentino, an Ole Miss transfer 529 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,760 and then Jayla Holcomb, three of their best players on the team. 530 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,720 And then a very important thing to throw out there. 531 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,120 They're bringing back everybody from last year's group, You know 532 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:38,720 what I mean? You don't see that nowadays at 533 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,920 any level of college basketball, men's or women's. 534 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,200 You don't see that really at all. 535 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,360 They added three freshmen to their team. 536 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,080 They're returning all all starters. 537 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,480 They're returning. I mean, yeah, I said it, 538 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,400 everybody from that team. So that's going to be a very 539 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,920 interesting game, just simply because. 540 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,480 You know that's the game before Tennessee. 541 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,920 We'll see how in Indiana will do pretty well against Murray 542 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:01,640 State. But this is definitely not a 543 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,200 game that you can just brush off, right? 544 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,360 Right. Well, and you said I, I'm really 545 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:10,240 excited to see Lipscomb because of The Who they have. 546 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,480 Everybody's coming back and what the chemistry presumably is like 547 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,760 within that team and how well they work together because 548 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,960 they're coming off such a good season. 549 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,600 I'm excited and it is. It's so unique for basketball to 550 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,200 have a team full of returning players like you said that you 551 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,080 you never see it. So that's something that I think 552 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,560 is going to be really fun and it's it's like you said, I feel 553 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,640 like it's somewhat similar to the Murray State game where and 554 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,640 not so much as a bounce by game obviously because it is not 555 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,720 going to be following the the loss to Stanford or anything 556 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,680 like that. But it's another one of those 557 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,400 games to just work on the little things and work on the basics 558 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,560 and the techniques of everything because you have to go into 559 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,080 Thanksgiving week and Tennessee and Princeton as confident as 560 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,880 you possibly can be. And so I think that's really 561 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,800 what both of these games are going to are going to do or 562 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,040 hopefully are going to do is just kind of instill that 563 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,680 confidence in all of Indiana that they they know what they're 564 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,800 doing and they can produce and be effective on the floor no 565 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,880 matter who they play or and who they match up with and who's on 566 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,320 the floor with them. So that's that's kind of the 567 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,000 biggest thing for me. I think it's just going to be 568 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,920 another confidence building game, yeah, but if if everything 569 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,200 goes as expected. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think 570 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,600 Indiana will obviously win that game, but it's, you know, that's 571 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,720 a game that like I said, you can't just brush off. 572 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,040 They averaged nearly 70 points a game last year, 69.4 points a 573 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,960 game. They were a fairly good 3 point 574 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:46,520 shooting team. 33 point 33.9% of the time, shot 7 threes a game. 575 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,080 You know, it's a very good rebounding team on almost off 576 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,320 average, 40 rebounds a game, almost 12 assisted a game for 577 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,720 that team. So yeah, it's just a team that's 578 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,880 on the rise especially. I mean, we talked about the 579 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,480 tough season they had two years ago, but then the overwhelming 580 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,200 mean, really good season they had last year. 581 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,800 And I mean, you're bringing back the talent that you have from 582 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,760 the year before. You're bringing back your 583 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,640 players that you're confident in playing, sort of like the 584 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,320 opposite of Indiana that Indiana just simply doesn't have. 585 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,800 A lot of chemistry right now just because they haven't played 586 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,360 together for that for a long period of time. 587 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,880 So yeah, that's gonna be a fun game to watch. 588 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,720 I actually won't be here. You'll be here cuz I'll be going 589 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,280 back home for Thanksgiving break. 590 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,040 But yeah, that's definitely gonna be a game that's gonna be 591 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,800 fun to watch. Yeah, and I think this just kind 592 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,560 of popped into my mind. But just it's schedule wise. 593 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,520 Indiana picked these two teams to play for a reason. 594 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,800 And whether or not it's because they think they're going to give 595 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,320 them a challenge or because they think that they're they thought 596 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,560 they were going to need some sort of get right game. 597 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,240 Like these two teams still were selected to and they'd still 598 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,320 agreed to to come play Indiana. And so you said it. 599 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,840 Neither of them are just you can't brush them off. 600 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,920 You can't ignore how important they are in the grand scheme of 601 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,120 things. And especially when it comes to 602 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,480 women's basketball, I think people and in in college 603 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,160 basketball in general, people don't understand that the non 604 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,240 conference games that are scheduled are one, scheduled 605 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,800 with conversations a lot in advance, right. 606 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,240 And they and two they all have a reason behind them. 607 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,960 You know what I mean? There's, there's a reason why 608 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,800 the director of basketball operations at whatever school, 609 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,080 at whatever program, they're always caught talking back and 610 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,720 forth with programs. That's actually one of the 611 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,440 things I've I was able to learn last year. 612 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,080 I was on the call for Big 10 plus Indiana versus Bowling 613 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,960 Green, and there was a storyline in that game. 614 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,760 The director of basketball operations for for the women 615 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,080 here at Indiana is Liz Honiger. Liz, if you're listening to this 616 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,760 shout out to you, very great person. 617 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,440 She was really nice to me when we were able to talk, but she 618 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,320 was actually a Bowling Green alum, one of their best players 619 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,200 ever, actually, in the program's history. 620 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,760 But, you know, before the game we were talking about what it 621 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,680 just what goes into, you know, scheduling these type of games, 622 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,480 not conference, because obviously you're granted to play 623 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,400 Michigan State, Purdue, Iowa, whoever it may be once or twice 624 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,840 a year. But games like these, I mean, 625 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,800 what goes all into it? And essentially she was 626 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,640 explaining to me was, you know, you talk between front offices, 627 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,760 between athletic departments, but, you know, the people can 628 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,880 say no. I mean, people can say no, but 629 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,600 usually teams. Reach out to the other for a 630 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,960 specific reason. So and and look I'm not I'm not 631 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,360 going to sit here and lie. I don't know how the 632 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,360 conversations began between Murray State and Indiana or 633 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,080 between lip scum and Indiana. But essentially with my point of 634 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,640 talking about this is there's a reason behind you scheduling 635 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,040 these non conference games. So I mean, when you're 636 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,920 scheduling a team that is coming off their best program, one of 637 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,400 their best seasons in program history. 638 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,960 You're doing that for a reason. You understand that there's a 639 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,960 not an advantage that you're going to get something out of 640 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,200 this in this game. So I mean that's that's one way 641 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,200 to look at it and would like we mentioned very excited to watch 642 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,960 that game. You know, it's unfortunate not a 643 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,400 lot of people are going to be here in town just because. 644 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,440 I mean a lot of people are going to be leaving for for 645 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,400 Thanksgiving break, but out of the non conference games if you 646 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,720 take away the Stanford the. The Tennessee. 647 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,800 The Princeton. I think this Lipscomb game is 648 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,240 honestly near the top of the more intriguing games for 649 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,600 Indiana. Yeah, no, definitely. 650 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,600 I think intriguing is a really good way to put it because it 651 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,720 just it is, it's going to be, it's going to be an interesting 652 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,720 matchup I think and everything happens for a reason, so. 653 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,800 There we go. If you take one thing out of 654 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,840 this podcast episode is that everything happens for a reason. 655 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,880 But anyway, that does it for us this week at the Crimson Cast. 656 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,000 Women's Basketball Podcast. Just like we mentioned, Indiana 657 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,880 will finish out their season with the two games, one on 658 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,240 Friday and the other one on Saturday. 659 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,120 Sunday or Sunday. Yeah, correct Sunday. 660 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,960 But yeah, Indiana's trying to bounce back after that tough 661 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,840 Stanford loss. We'll talk next week about the 662 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,680 Tennessee match up over that Fort Myers. 663 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,640 Amanda, you're going to be there. 664 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,280 I will be there. I'm very excited. 665 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,920 Very. Excited Indiana will play. 666 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,920 Tennessee. Princeton. 667 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,000 Over there in the Fort Myers What's it actually called? 668 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,040 Fort Myers Invitational Tips. It's got some long name, I don't 669 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,400 remember. Yeah, it's one of, it's one of 670 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,680 those. I think that's what it's called, 671 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,840 Fort Myers, the Fort Myers tip off and then it's sponsored by 672 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,160 somebody that I don't remember who it is, but. 673 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,920 We're not sponsored by them, so don't say so. 674 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,640 True. We're sponsored by home field 675 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,200 though we are. Yeah, we're sponsored by home 676 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,480 field. So shout out to home field. 677 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,640 They're actually going to New York. 678 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,280 I saw that. Yeah, they're going to New York 679 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,600 next week for the men. All right, not next week, this 680 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,160 week, this weekend, this Sunday, Monday. 681 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,200 So they're going to be out there. 682 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,560 So shout out to home field, Always good to support the local 683 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,440 brands. But anyway, as always, follow us 684 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,600 on our personal Twitters at Amanda Foster at Kevin Vera and 685 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,360 then also read our stuff over there inside the hole, I think. 686 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,840 Yeah, I think that's a pretty good website over there. 687 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,520 I don't know. Yeah, it's it's pretty they they 688 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,639 got some good writers. They got some good writers, a 689 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,760 couple, a little handsome one I've heard from Saint Louis, 690 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,199 but. But anyway, so yeah, follow us 691 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,239 on Twitter. Read our stuff over there inside 692 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,960 the hall for all things Indiana basketball, both men and women. 693 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:22,960 But for Amanda Foster, I'm Kevin Vera. 694 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,840 Thank you so much for listening. And we'll catch you next week 695 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:26,800 for another episode.