1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,900 You're listening to the back home network, presented by home 2 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:22,000 field apparel, welcome back to Crimson, Cask 3 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,000 ale and Claudio, Scott's Caulfield to joining you here. 4 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:30,900 900 29 of January is what it is. The 29th of January, almost done 5 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:34,400 with January, which is hard to believe and Indiana basketball 6 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,900 is playing really well. Both the men's and the women's 7 00:00:37,900 --> 00:00:41,900 were in a focus primarily on the men's team today, as they have 8 00:00:41,900 --> 00:00:44,800 won their fifth in a row knocking up, Ohio State 9 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,800 yesterday and where we were a few weeks ago, Scott talking 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,800 about this team to where we are now. 11 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,900 It's basically it's like a different book has been opened 12 00:00:54,900 --> 00:00:57,900 and we're still trying to figure out what chapter were in but 13 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:03,000 this Indiana team is Absolutely playing among the best 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,400 basketball in the country right now. 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,300 And that's kind of frightening to say. 16 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:09,100 We're going to talk about what we saw in these last couple of 17 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:10,900 games against Ohio, State and Minnesota. 18 00:01:10,900 --> 00:01:14,800 We're also going to talk about a very big week for I, you coming 19 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,100 up here with two games against very good opponents, including 20 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:20,700 one game against the probably, what's going to be the number 21 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:23,300 one, ranked team in the country. Scott, how you doing? 22 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:25,300 Good to see you. I'm doing great. 23 00:01:25,300 --> 00:01:28,600 You mentioned January 29th. I will, I got to give a shout 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:29,800 out. I'm really pissed. 25 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:32,400 AccuWeather and their app because you got like little 26 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,500 notifications on your phone and like, week and a half ago, I got 27 00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:38,000 a notification from AccuWeather. It's like, it doesn't matter 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,300 what the groundhog says, like, there's six more weeks of winter 29 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:42,500 coming. It's like why you gotta kill the 30 00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:44,000 dream. Like now, it's just a, it's a 31 00:01:44,008 --> 00:01:46,200 rodent that comes up and like, it doesn't. 32 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,700 It's not like, it's like real science, the groundhog thing, 33 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:50,400 but it's fun. I like it. 34 00:01:50,500 --> 00:01:52,900 And like a week ahead of time, it's like, hey, like, you know, 35 00:01:52,900 --> 00:01:55,600 there's there's no Santa the Easter, Bunny's not really white 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,200 Acuvue, why? You gotta do that to me. 37 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,700 Anyway, that's because this is the time of year where I start. 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,200 Like, I look at the three and a half week forecast, like you to 39 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,200 three weeks out. It's like, are we are we over 40 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,000 the hump, like, is this the end of winter? 41 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 We had in the last stages, but it never is. 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,100 I know we have another month left. 43 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:13,700 So yeah, it's here we go. It's funny because it's one of 44 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:18,300 those things where as you said the groundhog is worthless as a 45 00:02:18,308 --> 00:02:21,500 forecasting animal, there's no science involved. 46 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:24,700 It's the whole thing is, it's a marketing. 47 00:02:24,700 --> 00:02:26,500 Let me talk. Let me talk to Kyrie here. 48 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:29,500 We totally believe it's real, it's a marketing Ploy. 49 00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:34,000 Put Together by this stupid town in central, Pennsylvania, that I 50 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,100 mean would nobody would have heard of Punxsutawney. 51 00:02:36,300 --> 00:02:39,700 Phil smart was right, but I was going to, I was going a 52 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:42,900 different direction with that which is the whole thing 53 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:46,700 highlights, The Power of Words because something with no 54 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:49,900 forecasting ability, if it if they just come out and say the 55 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:53,400 groundhog says, six more weeks of winter, everybody's mood goes 56 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,900 through the floor because it's like, well, we got six more 57 00:02:57,900 --> 00:03:02,300 weeks of winter and Unfortunately even if that's not 58 00:03:02,300 --> 00:03:05,400 the case, people still are disappointed. 59 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,100 And, you know the the your seasonal affective disorder 60 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,500 comes back. 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If you haven't yet, folks, 121 00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:20,000 again, home field, apparel.com Scott. 122 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,300 Let's start by talking about what happened yesterday. 123 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:25,800 Indiana taking on Ohio State and, you know, this is an Ohio 124 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,700 State team that is hard or we thought Was hard to get, you 125 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:34,000 know, kind of a finger on in that, you know, they they they 126 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,600 beaten Rutgers in Big quotes. They had kind of been gifted 127 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,900 that game by bad officiating. They didn't really have a lot of 128 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:43,100 other successful things on their schedule but they have been one 129 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:45,600 of the best offensive teams in the country in terms of 130 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,400 efficiency, largely because of the out-of-this-world play of 131 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,600 Bryce sensible. All the freshmen that it, you 132 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,400 know, his was she shooting 47% from three and he's six foot six 133 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,600 clear NBA draft talent but this Ohio State team that came into 134 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:07,200 this game yesterday, having lost six of their previous seven, and 135 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:09,600 you look at Indiana, you look at how they struggled against 136 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,000 Minnesota earlier in the week, which we will talk about as 137 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:12,600 well. A little bit. 138 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,300 And you're like, this could be a little bit of a tricky game for 139 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:18,800 Indiana if they aren't careful. Well, they were careful and it 140 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,200 was a tight game right up until I you absolutely hit the 141 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,500 accelerator pedal on defense at the end of the first half, which 142 00:07:26,500 --> 00:07:29,300 led to a lot of offensive opportunities in the end of go. 143 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:32,600 He's on a 12:43 run, that puts the game away. 144 00:07:32,700 --> 00:07:34,900 That essentially is the final margin. 145 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:37,900 It really, never got a whole lot closer than like 13. 146 00:07:38,100 --> 00:07:41,900 The whole rest of the way. This was another really 147 00:07:41,900 --> 00:07:45,700 impressive performance from Indiana, you know, is it against 148 00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:48,900 a top team in the country? No, but this is a, you know, an 149 00:07:48,900 --> 00:07:52,300 Ohio State team that is clearly has a lot of talent and is 150 00:07:52,300 --> 00:07:55,200 clearly played fairly well. And we've seen Indiana, struggle 151 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,000 in games against teams like that before there was really no 152 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,300 question. After that spurred at the end of 153 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:04,200 the first half, and Indiana finds themselves. 154 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,200 Now, six and four in conference will talk about the implications 155 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,100 of that. But first got, what was your 156 00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:12,100 overall take away from watching this game? 157 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,700 Yeah, I mean, I know, it's it's, it's a good Ohio State team 158 00:08:15,707 --> 00:08:18,600 because had they beaten us? We would be saying like, hey, 159 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,500 that's a team that, you know, their record may not really 160 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:22,400 indicate how good they are in the kind of talent. 161 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,000 They're well coached and, you know it, but on the flip side, 162 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,300 it's like now it's like, you know is, hey, is holding a good 163 00:08:28,300 --> 00:08:29,300 coach? Is that a good? 164 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,900 Hot, and I'll be there, they are in a tailspin. 165 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,900 What I love about, Ohio State game is, you know, you could see 166 00:08:36,900 --> 00:08:40,600 in the, in the, I had a fun game watching experience. 167 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,600 The internet went down and all of Westfield last night and so 168 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,200 whenever to we're friends are going to get together. 169 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,800 Anyway, went over to the house, had my phone hooked up to a 170 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,300 projector, they're projecting onto a wall and watching the 171 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:52,800 game that way. So that that's how we watch the 172 00:08:52,808 --> 00:08:54,300 game. So it's a little bit choppy here 173 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:55,800 and they're getting it off a 5 G. 174 00:08:56,100 --> 00:09:01,800 But all that said, in the midst of The first half, it was cool 175 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,500 because you could see I you kind of has this team like smelling 176 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:07,300 blood like all right. Like they could sense like Ohio, 177 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:09,800 state is ready to be put away. This is a team that's in a 178 00:09:09,808 --> 00:09:12,300 tailspin we're just going to clamp down. 179 00:09:12,300 --> 00:09:14,500 Like you said, they go on that run and then they just kept 180 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:17,200 their foot on the throat and Ohio State was kind of dumb. 181 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,500 Like they look shook, they were making AA decisions in like I 182 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:23,800 you never let up and let them back into the game which was 183 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,200 really good. Yeah, for my high-level this is 184 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:30,600 you know what I was wondering. Thing I wanted to say real quick 185 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,200 on that, this is the third straight game at home that 186 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,500 Indiana has done this. They did it against Wisconsin. 187 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,100 They did it against Michigan State and then they did it again 188 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:42,000 here against Ohio State. And I think that that's really 189 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,700 important because we have just not seen that level of 190 00:09:44,700 --> 00:09:48,900 decisiveness in games from IU. It feels like in Forever. 191 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,700 Sorry, go ahead. I don't know. 192 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:51,200 You're fine. No. 193 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,200 And it's as you talk about like how the forever like I sent you 194 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,500 that text. If you tweet it out and I 195 00:09:56,508 --> 00:09:59,300 appreciate it like this is the first time and you know, only so 196 00:09:59,300 --> 00:10:00,900 many Years. We've had a five-game winning 197 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:04,100 streak, but I was looking at, you know, looking at that, like, 198 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:05,900 could we win all the way to that, Purdue game. 199 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,300 And if we got to a six or a seven game winning streak, could 200 00:10:08,300 --> 00:10:12,200 only be the, we've only had 17 game winning streak since 2002, 201 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,700 but I did, I will say, I went back and looked at other teams 202 00:10:14,700 --> 00:10:16,300 like Purdue in Illinois. Michigan State, like a 203 00:10:16,308 --> 00:10:18,500 seven-game winning streak. In the Big Ten is actually not 204 00:10:18,500 --> 00:10:20,700 very common. So you were starting to hit 205 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:24,700 rarefied. Air that said I have to feelings 206 00:10:24,700 --> 00:10:27,900 of the team right now. Like on one hand, they're 207 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:29,300 playing texting, some other friends. 208 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,400 It's like they're playing some of the best basketball that I've 209 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,400 seen out of Indiana team since probably 2016 that Yogi Ferrell 210 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,500 team or maybe 2030. And we're talking about some of 211 00:10:38,500 --> 00:10:42,000 the best basketball I've seen in the last 10 to 15 years out of 212 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,300 an Indiana basketball team, like they are just playing at a high 213 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:46,300 level. There are athletes everywhere. 214 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:49,100 As with my friend, who's not an IU friend IU fan. 215 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:51,600 He's watching the game and he's just like they got a ton of 216 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,500 athletes like they like that. They got guys all over the 217 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:58,600 court, they do and this is what Geronimo out, maybe one of our 218 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,500 better What did not play. So there's all that and they've 219 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:06,000 looked great. They've turned it on since with 220 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Scott. You know, since I started at 221 00:11:07,008 --> 00:11:10,000 Wisconsin game, they basically just blown the doors off of 222 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,300 every opponent outside of Minnesota and Minnesota is that, 223 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:15,800 you know, Road game where they did, what they had to do to win. 224 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,000 There's still a part of me where it's like, I'm not sure I trust 225 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,400 this and that's like it's and I don't know what we joked about 226 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:22,900 it. Last time. 227 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:25,300 It's like well I'll just win the next one and I'll Trust. 228 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:28,000 It's like I still don't have the trust and it's partially just 229 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,000 because this is such Such a Night and Day from what they 230 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,300 looked from December, you know, Rutgers to Penn State and then 231 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:38,700 it just switched and everything changed and it's like it's weird 232 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:41,600 because it's not like somebody came back or something change, 233 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,200 like there was a players only meeting and maybe, you know, we 234 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,500 joked about maybe that actually did the first time that ever 235 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:49,600 actually worked for the positive, but it looks totally 236 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,400 different. But yeah, I mean, there's, I 237 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,400 don't know what's going to make it where, like, I start having 238 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,100 trust. Again, I will say this. 239 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,800 I think I'm at the point. With this team this year where 240 00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:04,900 I'm pretty confident we can win any game at home. 241 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,700 The rest of this year, that's knowing we playing Purdue know. 242 00:12:07,700 --> 00:12:11,000 When you're playing Rutgers and Michigan and Iowa like this team 243 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:14,100 looks has looked different the last, you know, couple of weeks, 244 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:17,000 it also looks just radically different and Home in a 245 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,700 unbelievably positive way. They play with energy, they're 246 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:24,700 hitting all of their shots. It looks like we're back to it. 247 00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:28,400 Being a complete Buzz saw in the Assembly Hall, which is so odd 248 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,300 because less Three weeks ago, we lost in Northwestern at home so 249 00:12:31,300 --> 00:12:33,900 no I don't know. Look it's clear. 250 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,800 Some kind of switch got flipped with this team and even the last 251 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,000 time we podcasted, we were still a little bit like that. 252 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,800 Now, maybe let's see. And they keep adding to it. 253 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,900 And even the Minnesota game, which happened earlier in the 254 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:48,400 week, I know a lot of people were upset about that two 255 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:49,900 things. I'll say about that, Minnesota 256 00:12:49,900 --> 00:12:53,500 game 1. If you go back and you look at, 257 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:57,200 say, the best ERA of basketball that I you played under night, 258 00:12:57,300 --> 00:12:59,100 those sorts of games, happened all the time. 259 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:02,200 Like, With a Hall of Fame coach and with multiple players that 260 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,600 we would consider all-time greats, Indiana would have games 261 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,200 where they would look like. They had no clue how to play 262 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,400 basketball, where the opponent was completely hyped up and 263 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,100 ready to go. And I think the, you know, the 264 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:15,400 difference, you know, we've seen obviously the a lot of those 265 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,000 games in previous eras here, the Archie Miller era, the Green 266 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,600 Arrow. Whatever the difference is that 267 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,200 I, you really wasn't winning those games in those eras in 268 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,500 most years, and they did this time. 269 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:30,200 And the fact that they're able to do that come home, Steady 270 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,500 themselves and essentially make it a non non competitive game 271 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:38,000 against three teams. That's like that. 272 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,400 Minnesota. Yeah, Minnesota thing. 273 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,200 Like, not only just one second. Like they want they won the game 274 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,200 but they didn't. Sometimes you can win those 275 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,100 those close games that kind of backing into we're like 276 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:48,900 Minnesota makes a mistake or dribbles off their foot. 277 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:52,100 Like we made plays to win the game which to me is a big 278 00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:54,300 difference. Like race Thompson, you know, 279 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:56,800 Trace Jackson Davis has the great Pastor race race. 280 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,200 Goes up, gets fouled, Maybe not, maybe not foul, but like he's 281 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,200 Makes the free throw misses. One Trace gets the rebound goes 282 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,000 up, like there was multiple winning plays at the end so like 283 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,600 to me that's even more impressive than those games 284 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,200 where you win. But it's like, you won because 285 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,500 Minnesota, made a bunch of mistakes. 286 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:14,200 Anyway, go ahead that they also. I mean, they made a lot of 287 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,300 losing plays in the five minutes prior to that. 288 00:14:16,300 --> 00:14:18,600 But your point is taken like they, what they was affirmative 289 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:19,900 plays at the end. Absolutely. 290 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:23,100 My point being they go do that. They're able to take care of 291 00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:26,500 business at home and and yeah, you know, you look back and it's 292 00:14:26,500 --> 00:14:29,700 hard to reconcile that team with the team that lost At home. 293 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:31,500 The Northwestern was trailing by double digits. 294 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:36,300 Most of the day, the team that got destroyed at Penn State and, 295 00:14:36,300 --> 00:14:41,100 and look, you can say that it was the injuries and the 296 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:44,200 uncertainty of what teams are supposed to do, but I really 297 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:49,000 think if you look at it, the big change for IU has been how much 298 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,400 better they've been playing defensively and, you know, we 299 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,200 did that thing for a while we were looking at the stats from 300 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,500 like the beginning of December through, essentially, the first 301 00:14:58,500 --> 00:15:01,300 couple weeks of January We're in Indiana was not a very good team 302 00:15:01,300 --> 00:15:03,500 during that time period. I mean their offensive and 303 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:07,500 defensive efficiencies both were really really bad if you go back 304 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:09,900 to when the five-game winning streak started. 305 00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:14,600 So basically the 12th of January was the day after the Penn State 306 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,300 game. From that point moving forward, 307 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:20,400 Indiana on torvik, where you can kind of set the maximums and 308 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,300 minimums as far as when teams are playing Indiana, seventh in 309 00:15:23,308 --> 00:15:27,800 the country in tormek during that period of time, they are 310 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,100 17th in the country. Three in offensive efficiency, 311 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:34,500 their 14th in the country and defensive efficiency, they're 312 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:37,900 one of the most balanced teams in terms of how they're winning 313 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:39,900 games. And what I think is really 314 00:15:39,900 --> 00:15:42,900 fascinating, because I've been trying to think like, clearly 315 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:45,100 they look more physically active on defense. 316 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:50,100 They're they're they're they're much more active in disrupting. 317 00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:52,600 What the opposition is doing, especially on the perimeter 318 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,900 there, they're trying to close down passing Lanes, they're 319 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:59,800 closing on players a lot more quickly and what that's On, if 320 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,400 you look at the defensive statistics during this time 321 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,500 period it's had an incredibly negative impact on the ability 322 00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:08,900 of other teams to hit shots Indiana's opponents during that 323 00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:12,100 span of time. At two and a half weeks is 324 00:16:12,300 --> 00:16:15,600 shooting 43% from the field in effective field goal percentage 325 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,100 and effective field goal percentage which that counts as 326 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,200 three pointers by one and a half times. 327 00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:23,400 That is sixth in the country, that is really good. 328 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,700 I mean we're talking Tennessee is fifth in the country 329 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:29,400 Alabama's seven like these are some of the most athletic Teams 330 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,200 in the country and Indiana's playing defense at that level. 331 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:36,300 And what's really interesting to me is Indiana by far of any of 332 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:40,500 those teams has the lowest forced turnover percentage of 333 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:43,100 anybody in the country. So they are not going out and 334 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:46,200 ending other teams. Possessions by turning them 335 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,300 over, what they're doing is basically saying we're not going 336 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:53,100 to risk fouling, we're not going to put ourselves in a position 337 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:55,500 where the turnover has to be the primary means by which we get a 338 00:16:55,500 --> 00:16:58,600 defensive stop. We want to force you into bad 339 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,000 shots. Or shots that you can't hit. 340 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:02,900 And we want to limit offensive rebounds. 341 00:17:02,900 --> 00:17:05,500 And those are the things that Indiana has done really well 342 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:08,500 over this two week span of time. And I think that actually 343 00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:12,800 travels really well, as we move forward, Scott, if they can, 344 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,800 keep up the intensity they've been playing with because 345 00:17:16,099 --> 00:17:17,800 turnovers can be somewhat variable. 346 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,800 And when you run into a team like a Wisconsin, or a Virginia, 347 00:17:21,300 --> 00:17:24,400 where their whole MO is, we don't turn the ball over then, 348 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,099 suddenly your defense looks a lot less effective, but Indiana. 349 00:17:27,099 --> 00:17:29,100 The fact that they're doing all of this through forcing bad. 350 00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:31,800 And shots and keeping the other team off the offensive boards 351 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:36,100 that really to me seems like a formula that can continue as 352 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:40,600 long as the effort is there. So you know the offensively I 353 00:17:40,608 --> 00:17:43,200 think this team is also in a really fascinating place because 354 00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:44,700 they have been before you go to go ahead. 355 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,300 Go ahead. Yeah no you know the other thing 356 00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:50,500 too that I've been kind of looking at is and I'm not 357 00:17:50,500 --> 00:17:53,000 saying, I'm not saying we're going to an elite eight or a 358 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,800 final four but you know in this is also me kind of talking to 359 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,100 myself as well. So, you know, pardon the pun 360 00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:02,400 Well therapy. I do think you somewhat have to 361 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,700 just say that that month of time with Indiana something was going 362 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:09,500 on and it looks like something has changed a tend to be like I 363 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:11,100 feel comfortable, moving forward, like you look at some 364 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:13,900 teams from last year like Arkansas made it to the elite 365 00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:17,100 eight ran into Duke in the elite eight and lost but like at one 366 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:21,000 point in middle of January is very similar to us last year. 367 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,700 They lost to Oklahoma Hofstra BT Lon lost a Mississippi State, 368 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:27,700 Vanderbilt Texas A&M. They lost five of their six 369 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:29,100 games. They were 10 and 5 and 0. 370 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:34,500 In three in the, in the SEC and then they turned it on and then 371 00:18:34,500 --> 00:18:36,200 they were like, they're off to go mean. 372 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,000 We know North Carolina was very similar last year. 373 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,500 They were 12 and 6 4, and 3 of the ACC turned it on went to the 374 00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:44,500 final game. I'm not saying that's going to 375 00:18:44,500 --> 00:18:46,900 happen to Indiana, even like Miami Florida. 376 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:50,500 You know, middle of the year. They're you know 16 and 7 8 and 377 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:53,400 4 and that they they go on a nice little run and they go to 378 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,000 the elite eight and so I'm not saying it's going to happen but 379 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,600 I what I am saying is you see this oh, Every year in college 380 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,500 basketball, where it's like, you look back and like, man, like 381 00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:05,200 that team really didn't have their shit together in December, 382 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,100 and then they figured it out and then once they figure it out, 383 00:19:08,100 --> 00:19:11,000 they kind of have continued to figure it out through the rest 384 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,300 of the year. And so I think that's something 385 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:16,000 we have to take into consideration that you know what 386 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,700 happened earlier? We may never know, but it does 387 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:22,000 seem to be like it's figured out and there's a lot of history of 388 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,500 teams, where once they have it figured out, they kind of are on 389 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:28,400 the road and they're ready to roll and they're going and it's 390 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,000 hard. To feel like that's happening 391 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,400 with IU. Because, as we mentioned, 392 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,300 there's some never hat. It's never been us, right? 393 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:40,000 Well, it did happen in 2016, you know, where that team turned 394 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,600 around. Yeah, and by the time they 395 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:46,100 everybody realized hey that teams actually really good, they 396 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:50,200 had moved the ball, far further down the field than everybody 397 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,400 thought that they would, you know, they were that good at, 398 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,000 you know, it kind of being cloaked by their bad early 399 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,300 results. Thing I think is interesting 400 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:04,900 right now is if you look through what, I guess you would consider 401 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:08,300 to be the top 30 or so of college basketball teams. 402 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,100 There just aren't many teams that you look at and you say 403 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:16,900 gosh that team is a complete team that team is going to go 404 00:20:16,900 --> 00:20:20,500 out and be able to do what they need to do on both ends of the 405 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:22,300 floor. And you look at what's 406 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:24,300 occurring. At Houston is really struggling 407 00:20:24,300 --> 00:20:26,400 right now. They lost at home to Temple. 408 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,000 They almost lost at home to Cincinnati, you know. 409 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,100 Tennessee is playing great defense, but their offense is 410 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:36,100 just like not quite there. UCLA was on a nice vendor there 411 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:39,900 for a while in terms of wins and then they got blown out by USC, 412 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:43,000 Alabama, got destroyed, that was like the one team. 413 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,100 I looked at it was like, that's a really complete team. 414 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:46,500 They got annihilated at Oklahoma. 415 00:20:46,500 --> 00:20:48,900 Now, you can have bad games here and there, but I guess my point 416 00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:55,900 is Indiana is not I think demonstrable be worse than a lot 417 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:58,000 of the teams that you're looking at that, you would consider to 418 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,100 be top teams. He and I had a bad stretch and 419 00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:03,600 to some degree that's allowed them to fix things and get back 420 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,400 up, and running again. Under cover of people not paying 421 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,300 attention to them or taking them seriously. 422 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:11,200 Meanwhile, you look at a team like UConn, they've had the 423 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,700 exact opposite happen. Like, they looked unbeatable and 424 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,400 they've lost what five of six I think here are six of seven and 425 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,200 it's like, well that looks like a completely different team. 426 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:25,100 Your point is well taken in that we tend to get hung up on what 427 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:27,400 we think the narrative is for these individual teams in the 428 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,800 moment and then that changes over Over the course of the 429 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,000 season. But if you're not paying 430 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,100 attention or you're just hanging on to this idea that this team 431 00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:38,600 is great and this team isn't great, you can lose the plot to 432 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,100 some degree and that ends up affecting the way. 433 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:42,800 You think about how the tournament is going to go. 434 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,200 So like and if you are, if you're an outsider looking at 435 00:21:46,208 --> 00:21:49,200 this team like you just were not an IU fan, you know, if you're 436 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,300 on a you know, Gonzaga podcast or you know, using Indiana as a 437 00:21:52,308 --> 00:21:55,200 corollary, you look at this team and be like and again we can't 438 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,400 do this because we know how it all happened, but it's like, all 439 00:21:58,408 --> 00:21:58,900 right. Yeah. 440 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:01,400 Like That Rutgers, you know, Arizona Kansas stretch, like, 441 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,100 you know, that's a rough stretch was a tough games, then it's 442 00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:06,200 like, but, you know, their other games, like they lost the Iowa, 443 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,400 two points on a road game. They lost one point in 444 00:22:08,408 --> 00:22:10,900 Northwestern who s the Big Ten and like, you know, they yeah. 445 00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:12,400 Penn State's a stinker everybody has that. 446 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,300 Like, you look at this resume from just a complete Outsider 447 00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:17,000 and be like, this is damn good team. 448 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,600 And, you know, they're the games are losing our clothes. 449 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,900 There's a couple of outlier results, but they're against, 450 00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:24,200 you know, it's all justifiable, right? 451 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,600 And so, I think that's it, for us, it's tough. 452 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,700 Because we look back at the Iowa, Northwestern games. 453 00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:30,600 It's like it. As part of a larger context for 454 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,600 Indiana fans. But again, if you're just 455 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,900 looking at it from just a random fan, who's pulling up a page, 456 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:38,100 you would be like, damn, this team is good and your point, 457 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:39,200 too. I think is interesting. 458 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,700 I think it's good and bad. I think the 100% under the cover 459 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:45,500 of Darkness, like we're no one's looking at us to finish high. 460 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:48,000 And, you know, when the Big Ten, know what, you're not even Rank. 461 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000 And like I'm fine with all that. The only thing that sucks about 462 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,900 it is, I think it's starting to happen but there was such a 463 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:57,900 narrative with Purdue Zack ET, that's already taken. 464 00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:01,600 Hold, it's like Right now, Trace Jackson Davis is the best player 465 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,100 in the Big Ten and unfortunately the cover of Darkness. 466 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:07,300 I think good for this team to kind of get a bunch of wins and 467 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,300 kind of then suddenly you know this is the week where we could 468 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:12,100 kind of jump up and be like oh this is a real problem for the 469 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:14,800 Big Ten. It's just unfortunately like we 470 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,100 got to build that. It's not helping the narrative 471 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:19,400 at racetracks and Davis winning Big Ten player of the year which 472 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,600 I wanted to talk to you about. I think this week could solve 473 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,200 it. If he has big games against EDI, 474 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,700 that could win it. But you know, right now he's an 475 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:29,000 All-American and he's probably the best player in the Big 10. 476 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:32,100 Then it's just it's too bad that I don't hear as much talk about 477 00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:33,500 that. It seems to be like consensus 478 00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:35,400 will eat. He's got it until, you know, 479 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,500 they don't win the Big Ten. Yeah. 480 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:41,500 I mean I'm not are you actually think it's too early to have the 481 00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:44,600 conversation because we're only ten games in essentially? 482 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,600 I mean, I think there's there's pros and cons to both players. 483 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,500 I think that certainly, if you look at Edie, he has like what 484 00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,000 he is doing that. Nobody else is able to do is 485 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,200 he's just living under the rim. Grabbing Offensive rebounds and 486 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,300 putting them in and he's got an offensive rebounding rate of 487 00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:04,400 21%. That's that's tops in the 488 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,000 nation, not found Trace Jackson, Davis is in the top hunt. 489 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,700 Yeah, that to trace Jackson Davis in the top 100 of 490 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:15,600 offensive rebound percentage and he's only got an offensive 491 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,600 rebound percentage of 12.2%. So it gives you an idea of the 492 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,600 Gap there and it's been, it's the age-old thing. 493 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,800 It's like, what do you value? Do you value a physically 494 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:30,500 versatile player who's able to, you know, basically do a variety 495 00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:34,000 of different things in a way that is really helpful to his 496 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,400 team. Or do you value a guy whose 497 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,300 physical gifts allow him to be the focal point of the offense? 498 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:42,500 I mean the big thing that race tracks and Davis for me that 499 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:45,400 needs to be in the conversation. It was a keen, he's got an 500 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,000 assist rate of 11.2%, you know, which isn't terrible for a guy. 501 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,100 Who's supposed to be the end point of the offense. 502 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,900 Trace Jackson Davis is assist rate is 22%, he's 330th in the 503 00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:00,700 country, he's sick. In the conference, which means 504 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,500 there's at least eight teams point guards, who traced 505 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:07,500 Jackson. Davis has a better assist rate 506 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:11,900 that and you know, that to me, his ability to make the rest of 507 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:14,600 the offense move makes him even more valuable. 508 00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:19,100 But and this is, this is what I've I'll take credit for it. 509 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:22,300 Thank you, everybody know, this is what I've been saying for a 510 00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:25,300 while is that, you know, I was on the the corner earlier. 511 00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:27,200 He needs to shoot more threes and play more outside. 512 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,500 It was not that at so much hitting Freeze. 513 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:32,300 It's honestly what I'm seeing that has changed. 514 00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:35,200 Like, the one thing that has really changed in the last five, 515 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,400 or six games, which is awesome. Is, you know, traced early in 516 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,000 the year should have bringing the ball up a little bit, he had 517 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,700 a rebound kind of bring it up and then we just immediately 518 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:45,700 hand it off. He's starting to initiate the 519 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:48,700 offense from a higher point. On the court, which is really 520 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:50,500 changing things. Up like last night he had a, he 521 00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:53,600 had a, he got the ball, this is all I wanted with him because I 522 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,400 think he's so good passing and so good. 523 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,500 You know, it changes the defense and the geometry of the He'd 524 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:02,400 play last night, he gets the ball, you know, above the 525 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,900 free-throw line like right under the three-point line he gets it 526 00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:09,100 takes one dribble and just an amazing past Galloway Who's Back 527 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:12,300 cutting and then Galloway has also like an unbelievable 528 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:15,400 reverse spin finish. But you know, he's had a couple 529 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,400 of those plays every single game where he takes the ball, much 530 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,400 higher, you know, above the three-point line, and then he'll 531 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,200 kind of stand there, holding the ball and you can see like he's 532 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,500 looking for somebody cut. Nobody Cuts. 533 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:26,200 They're all right, I'm gonna break my guy down, or sometimes 534 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,200 he just takes it immediately goes and once he gets ahead, Ed 535 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,100 of steamies harder to stop and it's just I'm so happy to see 536 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:36,400 that because he's so good. He's actually better getting the 537 00:26:36,408 --> 00:26:39,800 ball up top sometimes than getting it in the post because 538 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,100 in the post is almost like there's not enough room for him 539 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:43,800 to maneuver and do what he can do. 540 00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:47,700 And it almost limits his ability to pass and find Cutters and so 541 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,300 to me that's one of the biggest change them. 542 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:52,300 So happy to see that they're really initiating the offense 543 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:54,300 from him at a much higher point on the court. 544 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,500 Yeah, no, I think and to some degree, having him. 545 00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:00,500 Bring the ball down the court. Completely changes the way that 546 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:05,400 the offense initiates and you know, I think you don't want to 547 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,600 play the game but like the number of people that I'm more 548 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,200 comfortable than him, bringing the ball up on this team is 549 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,600 pretty why? Why don't? 550 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,700 I mean, it look eight but no not eight eight or nine games ago, I 551 00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:19,600 guess it would have been if you keep track of like the Ken Palm 552 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,100 Player of the Year standings, which is this is automated 553 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:25,300 thing. That that Pomeroy does where 554 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:26,900 they factor in a bunch of different things. 555 00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:29,300 I mean, Zack Edie is still leading in the National Player 556 00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:32,100 of the Year rating. Jalen Wilson's, second Trace 557 00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:34,300 Jackson Davis back at the beginning of January was like 558 00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:37,200 ninth in this rating. Now, he's third, he's moved 559 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,500 ahead of Drew Timmy. He's moved ahead of to Bellows 560 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:42,800 that Arizona has moved ahead to Brandon Miller, Jalen Pickett. 561 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,600 It's he's had a tremendous month like it's one of it'll go down 562 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,800 as one of the most impressive months in IU basketball history, 563 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,600 you know, Chris I you artifacts and I were talking about this 564 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,700 and you really have to go back to Walt Bellamy. 565 00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:04,000 All the way back in like 1960 61 to find someone who had such a 566 00:28:04,008 --> 00:28:08,000 dominant stretch of game statistically over a relatively 567 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,600 short span of time. And you know what's interesting 568 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,100 is that it's actually more impressive than Eric Gordon if 569 00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:18,800 you go back and look at those games, it's more impressive than 570 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:24,600 Steve Alford and that 87 season and you know that is it's almost 571 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,200 hard to get your head wrapped around what you've seen. 572 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,800 I've traced Jackson Davis and I'd argue that to some degree 573 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,500 he's Been more valuable in terms of the overall success of the 574 00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:36,100 team that either of those guys necessarily were in terms of 575 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:39,300 getting other people involved, especially since there hasn't 576 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:43,300 been a reliable sidekick in any of this stretch, thus far for 577 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:46,400 Trace Jackson Davis, you know, I mean Jay Leno chafee, no, had a 578 00:28:46,408 --> 00:28:50,100 great game yesterday. He was not you did not have a 579 00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:53,200 particularly good game, the previous game, you know, Malik 580 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,700 renew is had good games and had games where he hasn't been 581 00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:59,000 there, and you've seen that over and over again where the the 582 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,500 Supporting Cast has been very Mercurial. 583 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,800 But Trace, Jackson Davis has been really consistent and then 584 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,500 in games like yesterday, he didn't have to be the show 585 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,700 because someone else decided they were going to step up and 586 00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:12,400 be the show in the first half and that, that took some 587 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,700 pressure off of him and he still ended up with a double double. 588 00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:16,800 So yeah. You look good. 589 00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:19,900 Well, I don't think I was gonna say just further Illustrated how 590 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:23,400 awesome he's been. I mean, this honestly like I 591 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,100 still think there's a better game out of him in that these 592 00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:29,700 games. It's almost like He's been 593 00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:33,000 involved, he's been really good. But there hasn't maybe outside 594 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,200 of the Nebraska game. Been a game where, like, I left 595 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,400 been like my God, he took it over like he's been great. 596 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,500 And then you're kind of look at the stash. 597 00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:42,400 Like my God, like yes, thirty eight, and twenty and I mean, 598 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,700 this is such a good way. Like, it's even the game against 599 00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:48,400 Minnesota, where he had, you know, 25 and 20. 600 00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:52,100 It never, at least, I never felt like, oh my God, he's taking 601 00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:54,200 over like, I still think there's a level where you could have the 602 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,500 game where it's like, oh, that's a trace Jackson Davis game, 603 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,300 where he just goes bananas and just, Takes over the game. 604 00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:04,000 And so, you know, I look at this as like he's doing it in a way 605 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,300 where, you know, honest at the Michigan State game, if I 606 00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,400 remember, you kind of think back, it's like, oh yeah, 607 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,100 there's a lot of like, you know, that was tomorrow, Bates had a 608 00:30:11,108 --> 00:30:13,800 bunch of Threes And, you know, us getting hot from three. 609 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,500 It's like there hasn't been that and it's like, oh yeah. 610 00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:19,200 And Trace Jackson Davis also have, you know, whatever like, 611 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,500 you know, 31 and 20 and and I hope the spirit which is 612 00:30:23,508 --> 00:30:26,200 intended as like, it's amazing. What he's doing, but it still 613 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,400 doesn't feel like he's had the game where he has just taken 614 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,500 over Over the game and thrown in like a, you know, maybe the 615 00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,500 numbers are the same, but you like my God, he was completely 616 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,800 Unstoppable. So it's it does feel like 617 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,800 there's even one more gear he could go, but even just in the 618 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,600 games now, like the stats, you sometimes look up and you're 619 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,800 like, my God, these stats are unbelievable. 620 00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:48,400 Let's go ahead and jump into some questions. 621 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,500 We asked the folks on Twitter to send us some stuff, and we've 622 00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:53,700 got some things related, specifically to the game and 623 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:55,100 some things that are more big picture. 624 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,500 First question or comment I guess from Taylor Layman. 625 00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:00,600 Banks. That's the thought. 626 00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:04,400 Let's talk about Caleb Banks. He came in and we hadn't seen 627 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,500 much of Caleb Banks. He was kind of, I think he only 628 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:11,600 played in this game because of Jordan Geronimo being out with a 629 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,700 leg injury. Apparently, it was. 630 00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:17,600 But Kayla Banks, who we both really loved at the very 631 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,000 beginning of the year. And then who essentially was a 632 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,300 non contributor didn't appear in games for any more than a minute 633 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:29,800 or two except for that Elon game comes out place. 12 minutes 634 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,700 scores, Five Points grabbed seven rebounds and has an 635 00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:37,400 assist, and really looked like he belonged on the floor against 636 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,600 that particular team was a really impressive performance 637 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,200 from a kid that didn't get a lot of run. 638 00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:47,100 But, you know, we had a lot of people ask or say something 639 00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:50,400 about Caleb eggs. Jamie, Jordan made some mention 640 00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:55,300 Jill, Sylar commented, his play last night, proves he's athletic 641 00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:58,000 and smart enough to Warrant more playing time. 642 00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,500 Look, I thought it was really fascinating and you know, the 643 00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:05,100 more I've thought about Woodson and his substitution patterns, I 644 00:32:05,108 --> 00:32:09,100 don't really fully get them. Like, why certain players play? 645 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,100 The one thing in this is not an Einstein, sort of Revelation by 646 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:16,500 any means, but it is clear. The more that we get into this 647 00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:21,800 season that Woodson is like insanely matchup driven in terms 648 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,600 of who he's putting on the floor from a defensive perspective, he 649 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,200 had that comment. Everybody was wondering what 650 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,900 happened for instance to Malik renew in that. 651 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,700 Game against Minnesota and it was just wasn't Woodson, but you 652 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:34,200 can see where the philosophy comes from. 653 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,300 You know, you see a rose, when says, in the post game that they 654 00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:39,800 didn't play renew because he was struggling with the match up 655 00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:42,500 defensively, and it's like, Lenny and needed offense during 656 00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,000 that period. But I can at least understand 657 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,400 philosophical where that comes from Banks, playing like that. 658 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:50,000 And Woodson and his postgame kind of said, you know, 659 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,700 essentially, I think my assistants were nervous about 660 00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:56,100 playing Banks but let you know, I make those calls because I 661 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,900 head coach but Banks, Have been perfect in that Minnesota game 662 00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:02,500 as someone who could play defense. 663 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,000 Be athletic, grab some rebounds, you know, if and who knows we 664 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,500 may not see him again for several weeks. 665 00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:11,700 And that's kind of been the trend where a guy will come in, 666 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:13,800 have a good game and then because the matchups dictate 667 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,500 something different in the next game, we don't see him but I 668 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:21,600 could see Banks as athletic as he is with his size, even with a 669 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,200 relatively underdeveloped body, making some key contributions, 670 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,400 especially with race. Thompson's Health being in 671 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,300 question. And and especially with Jordan 672 00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:33,200 Geronimo, potentially having some health in question, that 673 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,000 kind of mix is exactly what Indiana needs off the bench at 674 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,600 this point? I agree. 675 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,400 I would just, I think we need to. 676 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,400 I like seeing it. I would just say this, this 677 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,800 can't become the Christian Lander problem where suddenly, 678 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,500 you know, come somebody comes in, has, you know 679 00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,500 three-and-a-half, good minutes. Well Caleb Banks. 12 minutes is 680 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:58,900 good but you know it's a very small sample size. 681 00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:02,200 Go on and look at like, you know, I'm not picking on him but 682 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,200 a guy who I think is now a very good contribute like Trey 683 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,200 Galloway, his freshman year, you use playing, all right, and then 684 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,500 he had a, you know, against Penn State a 10-point game, four, 685 00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:12,800 four, four, four, two. And then it's like he scores, I 686 00:34:12,808 --> 00:34:15,500 think 32 points. The rest of the season, like, 687 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,000 for the rest of the year. And it's because that's what a 688 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,600 kind of a young young inexperienced, freshman will do 689 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,600 even see it with renew. Like he hit a wall, it seems 690 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,900 like he's breaking through that wall, but you gotta hit through 691 00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:30,400 that. And so, I would just Caution 692 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,800 anybody to be like, all right. Well, now we can, you know, Bart 693 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,500 Kayla Banks and for 12 minutes and Five Points a game like he's 694 00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:37,100 gonna come out and couple games and look off. 695 00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:39,199 He's got to work through that. I think it's good to start 696 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:40,500 getting him a little bit of play. 697 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,199 I think all of these guys like CJ gun, like all of them should 698 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,000 be getting little bits of play, but I think it's it should be 699 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,699 viewed. Very, very hit-or-miss and not 700 00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:51,699 be like why are we not seeing him like and that's what we 701 00:34:51,699 --> 00:34:53,699 started getting under that, you know, Christian land or thing is 702 00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:55,300 like I'll put him in like he looks good. 703 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,200 Seven and a half games ago, not remembering the five games, he 704 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,200 looks awful and That's one thing I would warn people is, you 705 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,100 know? But this is this is the 706 00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:06,700 maturation of a normal kind of non five-star freshman because 707 00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:08,900 they come in, they look good and they look bad. 708 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:12,300 He's lunch and then they look what he was a four-star but yes, 709 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,000 non five yet another. Yeah. 710 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,600 On jail is a jiffy? No freshman. 711 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,300 And look, I mean in chat, Schwarzkopf was asking us like 712 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:20,400 what do we think? You know, his ceiling is, it's 713 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,100 hard to say and this is it's one of those things where I liked 714 00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:26,200 what I saw out of banks in the early going. 715 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,800 When we saw him in in some of those first few games of the 716 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,800 season and the fact that he was able to come in against Ohio, 717 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,200 State and body with guys and and perform, as well as he did. 718 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,200 I think is a really, really positive sign. 719 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,500 But you need to have the consistency in terms of Kenny 720 00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:46,200 come in and spell people for a few minutes is that even needed? 721 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,600 I mean the one question and we'll see what Jordan Geronimo 722 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,500 situation is. Or, you know, we'll just have to 723 00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:53,800 guess what? Nobody's going to tell us. 724 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,900 How much he's injured, leg is really all. 725 00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:59,800 I, all I heard was that A leg injury. 726 00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:02,600 That's, that's it. I saw a text like, hey, I saw a 727 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,800 tweet like, hey, Xavier and Geronimo were in Boots. 728 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,400 Yeah. Well then Xavier was out of a 729 00:36:06,408 --> 00:36:09,400 boot for shootaround which we'll talk about a little bit later 730 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,700 on, but clearly on this team, I think Woodson looks at the 731 00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:17,000 lineup and a lot of people have been, like, why is race Thompson 732 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,600 playing as much as he is. I think, clearly a, it's very 733 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,300 matchup dependent defensively and Woodson has decided and his 734 00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:28,200 assistants have decided, we're going to have to put players in 735 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,900 that. Going to commit to playing 736 00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:32,600 defense and then we'll worry about the offense later, even if 737 00:36:32,607 --> 00:36:33,900 you're not contributing that much. 738 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:36,500 And and look, I think race Thompson while he didn't have a 739 00:36:36,508 --> 00:36:39,200 great game. Yesterday on either end of the 740 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,600 floor, he also didn't have his bad of a game as people seem to 741 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,000 think that he did. He's still able to make some 742 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,900 contributions. And, you know, when, if you can, 743 00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:52,900 if you can get, he had five points, four rebounds 2 assists. 744 00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:55,700 That's, that's not bad. If you're raised Thompson, 745 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:01,000 Jordan Geronimo has played at a higher level, Then what I think 746 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000 we might have expected even a month earlier. 747 00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:06,300 Malik renew has really started to come into his own, and that's 748 00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:10,000 awesome to see. And the fact the matter is, you 749 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,100 know, Thompson, renew Trace Jackson, Davis Miller cop, 750 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,700 they're all kind of in the sand, Jordan Geronimo, like they're 751 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,600 all kind of, in the same mix there from a lineup perspective, 752 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,700 and ultimately, there aren't going to be a lot of teams 753 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:28,900 Indiana plays where they need bigs more than they need. 754 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,600 Guards. And I think that that will 755 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,400 naturally limit the amount of minutes that Kayla Banks can 756 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,000 get. Unless there's foul trouble, but 757 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,400 I think where this game was nice to see. 758 00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:39,900 Is you look at Kayla Banks? You like he can make 759 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:43,200 contributions he and he can play against. 760 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,800 What's a pretty physical talented offensive lineup for 761 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,800 Ohio State? It is funny. 762 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,000 I was going to go back on something. 763 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000 You said earlier where you were like Ohio State, well-coached, 764 00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:56,400 you want to, you want to see some interesting stuff like scan 765 00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:58,900 the Reddit thread for postgame for this. 766 00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:02,100 Ohio, State fans are incensed at Chris holtmann, like, they would 767 00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:03,100 like it. I joke. 768 00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:05,300 Like, is he a good coach? Like that's that's the question 769 00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:07,500 now. It's it, is it things of the 770 00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:09,600 milk has turned? Their I think you could say, in 771 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,800 Columbus on the Chris holtmann are, it'll be interesting to see 772 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,100 what happens at the end of this year. 773 00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:16,400 Especially if on their current trajectory, they may not make 774 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,900 the NCAA tournament, like it's really looking if he for them. 775 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,700 So, anyway, on banks, I think the, the ceiling for him right 776 00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:27,300 now for this, season is a guy who could come in and give you 777 00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:30,600 45 minutes, You know, over the span of a couple of halves to 778 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,000 try to give a breather to some of the people in front of him. 779 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,900 But I wouldn't be afraid if we had to put him out there and 780 00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:39,000 play him for long stretches of time. 781 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,900 And I think that's a good spot for Indiana to be in the fact. 782 00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:44,500 They've got some demonstrated depth and athleticism from that 783 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,600 that level of the bench is always a positive. 784 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,600 And to me this is this shows, you know, this is one of those 785 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,200 Quiet Things That it shows how well Woodson has done in a short 786 00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,300 period of time of kind of increasing the Skill of our team 787 00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:03,300 in that under Archie. It feels like a guy like Kayla 788 00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:05,700 Banks would have been a starter day one. 789 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,900 Yeah, it's yeah. It's one of the things we keep 790 00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:12,900 banging on about this idea that you have to let people develop. 791 00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:15,600 I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday and they were 792 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,100 like, so, CJ gun, just bad. And I'm like, no, he's a 793 00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:20,400 freshman. He's and he's, and he, like, you 794 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,600 said, he's not jail in a jiffy. No, or Malik renew, he's not a 795 00:39:23,607 --> 00:39:28,200 five-star, he's a guy who is talented, but he's raw, it takes 796 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,600 a lot. To learn to play at the college 797 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,500 level. It's a big leap in competition 798 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:35,900 because you're immediately. Especially in the Big Ten. 799 00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:38,800 You're being thrown in against guys, who, you know, are either 800 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,700 top-notch players or have been playing for two or three years 801 00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:44,100 and understand how the system works and have the physicality 802 00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:46,700 of match. And that's, you know, there's no 803 00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:50,100 shame that CJ gun isn't playing a lot over the case in 804 00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:54,700 Wisconsin, guys were 26 27 and yeah you know it's whatever the 805 00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:58,000 whatever the Wisconsin version of a Mormon mission is I feel 806 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,100 like that's what all Wisconsin, basketball players end up on. 807 00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:05,500 It's fascinating, you know, it's like an internship at like a 808 00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,400 cheese factory. I'm not sure what that would 809 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,500 look like. Anyway, we had some other 810 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:13,000 comments on the race and Geronimo thing. 811 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,800 Eric Miller I'm not sure race should be starting. 812 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,800 He seems not to have explosiveness on either end of 813 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,300 the floor. Patrick commented, I prefer 814 00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:22,800 Geronimo over race, starting to move back to the bench. 815 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,700 I'm concerned will shatter his confidence. 816 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:31,200 Here's the thing. I think that ultimately this and 817 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,300 you look it may not be the right move, but I think it's clear 818 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:43,100 that Woodson very much values and prefers experienced players 819 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,300 who understand the system and as much as I've been impressed with 820 00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:48,900 Jordan Geronimo in the way that he's played, he's still a very 821 00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:51,300 raw player. He's doesn't have the level of 822 00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:52,900 experience that race Thompson does. 823 00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:56,700 Yes, race is lacking in in athleticism but that is a 824 00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:59,400 gritty. Player man, that is a player who 825 00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:02,500 we've asked for those types of players for so long players, 826 00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:05,400 that that will do the little things that will dive on the 827 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,600 floor that will sustain knee injuries. 828 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,500 You know, trying to grab loose balls and there are moments when 829 00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:14,400 race Thompson. Doesn't look as effective. 830 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,800 There are also moments where race Thompson is exactly what's 831 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,500 needed in a particular moment. And a lot of its really quiet, 832 00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:24,900 you know and I think with such a dominant post partner in Tres 833 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:31,700 Jackson Davis you almost A guy who's not needing to get the 834 00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:35,100 ball and do things, like just a guy who is willing to do the 835 00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:37,300 dirty work. And I think that that's 836 00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:40,100 important moving forward. I do think that and we saw this 837 00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:44,200 yesterday, his cap maybe about twenty eighteen, twenty minutes 838 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,800 a game at this point. And I think that Woodson would 839 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,900 rather start him knowing that the games going to be won in the 840 00:41:49,908 --> 00:41:53,100 final eight minutes of each half rather than start. 841 00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:55,200 Somebody else knowing that? Well, now you got to bring race 842 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,100 Thompson and later and his contributions. 843 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,400 It may not be as effective at that point, as they are early on 844 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,300 in the games, I also think this is where you see the 845 00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:06,900 Fingerprints of being an NBA coach, because you know who 846 00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:10,200 starts and kind of your hierarchy, you know that's 90% 847 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,000 of being an NBA coach is dealing with professional personalities. 848 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,700 Whereas college coaches are very much like you know, you guys are 849 00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:17,700 kids and like I'm gonna do what I got to do. 850 00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:22,000 This feels very MBA like and again give him credit, the 851 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,500 Alchemy seems to be working but very much this idea of you know 852 00:42:25,508 --> 00:42:28,700 hey races are starter races are I know you don't lose your, you 853 00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:31,800 don't lose your starting job to injury and it, you know, I think 854 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,400 that's important. I also think that, you know, 855 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,500 this could be sending a message. Also, to Xavier you Xavier is 856 00:42:36,508 --> 00:42:39,800 there, he seems very engaged on the bench and sometimes to 857 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,400 engaged getting technical fouls. But Xavier seems to be as 858 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,000 important, a part of this team, even injured as he did as a 859 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,400 player, and if your woods and you're, you know, how you handle 860 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,900 race Thompson, coming back Xavier sees that it's like he's 861 00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:56,000 probably telling Xavier. Hey, man, you're a starting 862 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,800 point guard like when You're good. 863 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,200 You're starting point guard and you like, and it helps build the 864 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,000 bond of the team and that that's how NBA coaches would handle. 865 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,400 It is whereas I think a lot of college coach to treat it, like 866 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,000 oh no man look you got to earn her spot back. 867 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,300 I was young kid coming in. I got more recruits coming in 868 00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:13,800 like, you know, I this is where I do think this is a nice way to 869 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,000 handle it. And I honestly think the way 870 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,600 he's handling race is sending a message in a positive way to 871 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,100 Xavier and the entire team of like, hey man, like these guys 872 00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:25,600 are our leaders, they're the leaders of this team and when 873 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,000 they're ready to go, they're coming back in. 874 00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:30,500 I like keeping race in the starting lineup and like you 875 00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:34,700 said with it, having kind of a 20-minute minute cap your ending 876 00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:36,300 with probably the better players. 877 00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:39,700 Anyway, not just race, doesn't seem to be 100% yet. 878 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,200 So you're ending with the better five-man team anyway, but I 879 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,400 think I think who you start is important. 880 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,400 I think that that that very much could be in the calculus of why 881 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,000 Woodson's, why which was doing it question? 882 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,200 From Ethan, it felt like so many momentum. 883 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,500 Shifting threes in the Archie era clunked out, it's amazing to 884 00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:59,000 see the amount. Out of open and contested, three 885 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,800 SIU is knocking down this season. 886 00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:03,100 I was wondering about your thoughts on, I use improved 887 00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:06,000 shooting and how it has impacted the offense and Trace Jackson 888 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,200 Davis. Well, look, I think a couple of 889 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,600 things have is actually Woodson, got asked about this in the 890 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,900 postgame, press conference at all. 891 00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:16,200 He said was, what was just work like we knew, we had to improve 892 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,400 in that. And guys, just and guys just 893 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,000 practiced a lot over the summer and sometimes, it's as simple as 894 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,000 that. I mean, I really do think that, 895 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,700 you know, I really believe that. Guys didn't just come here and 896 00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:32,700 suddenly, like, do like develop into bad Shooters. 897 00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:35,700 It was the atmosphere and the approach of the offense. 898 00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:38,600 And the way that Archie Miller approached coaching players. 899 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,300 And I don't even, I don't think Archie was trying to have a bad 900 00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:44,600 three-point shooting team because that would be incredibly 901 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,200 self-defeating. But I think that everything was 902 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:53,000 so deliberate that it ends up being a situation where it just 903 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000 didn't work. I mean, people forget this but 904 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,800 like, you know, Archie had some really good. 905 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,700 When shooting teams in Dayton and it just never translated 906 00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:04,500 over here. And I think that Woodson 907 00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:08,300 deserves a lot of credit for giving people green, lights to 908 00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:11,500 shoot, but also telling them and cop was kind of asked about this 909 00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:14,500 yesterday. It's like, you know, you got the 910 00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:16,600 green light to shoot but it needs to be within the flow of 911 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:22,000 the offense and it's it's fascinating to watch that taking 912 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,800 place because there's clearly guys who feel comfortable enough 913 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,300 to shoot and it may not go in all the time and I'm not I'm 914 00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:29,800 talking about Miller cop, I'm talking about like Tamar Bates, 915 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,300 Malik renew through one up at the end of the game that went in 916 00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:34,900 yesterday. Race Thompson, will take one 917 00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:38,100 occasionally and I'm glad that that's maintained because over 918 00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:42,000 the course of a season. We've seen the results and I you 919 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,800 lost one of their better three-point Shooters. 920 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,900 Wednesday, for Johnson, went down against Kansas and they 921 00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:48,900 haven't missed a beat. I Honestly though I think the 922 00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:53,000 big change in this has been Jay lahood Savino because what he's 923 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,800 been able to do in terms of just, you know, now he's 924 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,900 starting To hit the threes earlier in the season. 925 00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:02,600 He was not but his willingness to just pull up no hesitation 926 00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:05,800 and take the shot and you know when he hits the first couple 927 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,300 like you saw yesterday, you can clearly tell that he's feeling 928 00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:11,900 it, he's going to keep doing that. 929 00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:15,100 And now suddenly that changes the entire approach to the 930 00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:18,400 opposition's, taking Ohio, State went out of their way as did 931 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,600 Michigan State in the previous weekend game to make life, hell 932 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,900 for Trace Jackson, Davis down low, they were doubling from the 933 00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:27,800 top. They were bringing Is across the 934 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,600 post, your tjd lost the ball, a couple of times, early against 935 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,300 that, but the fact that you knew Jalen Hood your fee. 936 00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:36,200 No was going to be on the same side of the ball because he was 937 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,300 the guy initiating the offense and you can just kick it back 938 00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:39,900 out on a shot. Would go up. 939 00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:45,200 That is a missing piece that they never had last year because 940 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,900 of the way that the offense was structured. 941 00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:51,800 And so it's we you know, it'd be nice if they took more but I'm 942 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,100 almost glad that they don't because they don't need to in 943 00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:57,600 the flow of this offense. They're getting Enough from the 944 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,000 three-point line that it's making the whole thing work. 945 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,200 The other thing I was thinking about, as I was thinking about 946 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,500 this, the last couple of weeks or last couple of games, we've 947 00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:11,000 had these nice wins, is it feels like, we're getting back on 948 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,300 track on this in that, you know, a couple different things. 949 00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:16,200 I've talked to a couple different people about like, you 950 00:47:16,207 --> 00:47:19,100 know, on assembly called Ryan is really good at kind of being the 951 00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:20,900 shot doctor and looking at shots, but he's always meant, 952 00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:23,100 You Know, Tamar Bates, has like a perfect looking shot like the 953 00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:24,600 rotations. Perfect, it's great. 954 00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:26,700 Why is he suddenly hitting threes now where he wasn't 955 00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:28,900 before? And I go back to the way I 956 00:47:28,908 --> 00:47:32,400 talked about with Tony and rania's, you know, under Archie. 957 00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:35,900 So many of those get you, you looked at a guy like finna see 958 00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:39,400 where it feels like the basketball was, like, Coast out 959 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,400 of him. Like, he just didn't know what 960 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,100 to do, and he looked uncomfortable, but, you know, I 961 00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:45,400 haven't looked through it. But in the four years of Archie, 962 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,000 how many games did we have like last night? 963 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,500 We're just up 15 and we're playing downhill. 964 00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:53,500 I was saying this last time, your friends like we play. 965 00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:55,900 So, well, going downhill, what I mean by that is like when you're 966 00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:58,300 up and suddenly now, It's like now yours playing pickup. 967 00:47:58,300 --> 00:47:59,400 All right. Now you're up 15. 968 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,000 It's like now it's just now you're just having fun and we do 969 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,800 really well like that. Like it's like the Buffalo Bills 970 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,600 and off in football. They're really good at playing 971 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,600 downhill but you have games like this. 972 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,200 Now as we know, almost never had those games under Archie. 973 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:12,900 Where's that you're up? 10. 974 00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,200 It's like, let's just go have it, you know, take some open 975 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,800 shots and see what happens. Everything was just, you're 976 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,100 gripping the bat. So I'm hitting so many sports 977 00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:21,500 metaphors. It's great gripping, the bat. 978 00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:25,000 So tight under Archie like every missed three is like oh my God, 979 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,700 we got to analyze it. And why do you do this? 980 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,900 Look at these last couple of games Michigan state, yet 981 00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:32,500 tomorrow, Bates, blow, the lights out from three last night 982 00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:34,900 that you said, you know, Jill had Reno starts feeling it hit a 983 00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:36,700 couple threes. We're do hits one like these 984 00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:39,200 games where you're just kind of kicking ass and taking names. 985 00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:42,000 And then you have guys hitting threes like that, the confidence 986 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,000 that you need moving forward because now tomorrow Bates, you 987 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,600 know, under an Archie system it would have been like he goes 142 988 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,600 but it's like for the Miss clanked out. 989 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:50,800 It's like, God damn it. You did this. 990 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,000 You that's like now he's got a dude. 991 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,900 I got a 546 under my name from three and Assembly Hall. 992 00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:58,400 I know I can do this, like, you build that Confidence and back 993 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,800 to the shot. Doctor thing like that's what 994 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,800 was it ends up being honestly confidence. 995 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,200 Like I just know you can do it because a lot of these guys the 996 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,500 shots are fine but they they're good-looking Shooters and you 997 00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:11,400 look at a Galaxy J gun Who lit up in high school. 998 00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:14,000 He shot still looks great, he's not hitting it, it's just 999 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,500 confidence. It's just knowing you can being 1000 00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:19,400 comfortable and not having that Split Second of hesitation like 1001 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,500 should I should I not like it? Just like you. 1002 00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,700 Look at tomorrow base now like and that Michigan State game, he 1003 00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:26,400 was just a I'm fired. Like I just firing and letting 1004 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,100 nature take And like, that's when you start making shots and 1005 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,700 put your fee, no has that in droves and, and I think you're 1006 00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:35,200 building more of that with this team, when you get these 1007 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,400 performances where we're up 10 15, and guys, were able to just 1008 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,600 green light. It's like, oh, that's what it 1009 00:49:40,607 --> 00:49:43,400 feels like. And that's, that's why I could 1010 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,000 see this being the momentum that changes were suddenly. 1011 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,800 Now we get good three-point shooting results because we've 1012 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,400 had good point. Three good, 3-point shooters. 1013 00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:54,500 I really just think it's been a confidence issue. 1014 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,900 A couple other questions we wanted to get to Ryan asked, do 1015 00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:01,600 you find it hard to appreciate good players, on disappointing 1016 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,300 teams? One of the things I'm happiest 1017 00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:07,000 about is that with the team, success, more people will be 1018 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,400 able to appreciate the moments of greatness, that Trace 1019 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,000 Jackson, Davis, and Jalen Hurd. Ruffino have given us before 1020 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,100 they move on. It's, you're right, I mean, you 1021 00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:19,400 look back at some of the teams that I use had that have been 1022 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,200 disappointing over the course of the past several years Romeo 1023 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,500 from the results, right? You know you look back in your 1024 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,000 Or like gosh, you know, they really had a special player and 1025 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,500 Juwan Morgan, but it's hard to fully appreciate how good his 1026 00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:37,500 senior year was because of how Dreadful That season ended up, 1027 00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:41,500 being for IU and you can, you can go back and look at that 1028 00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:43,400 with a bunch of different people over the course of time. 1029 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,800 Yeah, it's always hard to fully appreciate performances and I 1030 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,900 think, you know, when the team is not doing well. 1031 00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:54,100 And so I'm just, I'm pleased reality like, this is something 1032 00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:55,400 I was thinking about in the moment. 1033 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,000 Met when we were in our losing streak is like trait. 1034 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,600 It's going to be a weird ending and we're still not there yet, 1035 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,600 but we're still not there, but it's like if this career, if 1036 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,700 Trace Jackson Davis is career ends and he's like the 1037 00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:10,000 statistical leader of everything that I you but it's never 1038 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,800 finished above 500 in the Big Ten that's just going to be a 1039 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,200 weird Legacy right as would be and you know that that's still 1040 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,400 on the line here and it doesn't change the fact that he's 1041 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,100 awesome and he's great but it's like that's still at Indiana 1042 00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:27,000 were not as much about the stats as We are about, you know, Big 1043 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,300 Ten titles, and Banners. And so to have never finished 1044 00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:33,900 above 500, the Big Ten that would be blemishes on the right 1045 00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:37,200 word, but it would just, it would make for a weird Legacy. 1046 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,900 And it does seem like we are at a point where we're changing 1047 00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:42,000 that, he doesn't even need to win a title, they've been great 1048 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,400 players who haven't won titles, and you're being great players. 1049 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,100 Haven't won, Big Ten titles, but you know, for him to take this 1050 00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:51,900 team and to get above 500, the big fan of, you know, finished 1051 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:55,400 second, third or fourth in the Big Ten that that fund. 1052 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,200 Only changes his legacy forever. Yeah. 1053 00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:03,300 Matt Matthew asked, would love to know your opinions on if jail 1054 00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:05,300 Hood, you're Fina will go pro after this year. 1055 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,000 Seems like he could definitely be drafted towards the middle to 1056 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,400 end of the first round but wondering if ni L could possibly 1057 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,800 keep him around another year. It's hard to predict. 1058 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,500 Go ahead Scott please. I know. 1059 00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:16,800 Sorry. I just I'm sorry, I'm jumping 1060 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,900 in. They'll shut up for the next 1061 00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:22,400 day, you're fine, you're fine. It is all just like Mad Libs it 1062 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:23,400 all started. Like you said, it's hard to 1063 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,800 predict but here's what I would say is Is that it's and like I 1064 00:52:27,808 --> 00:52:30,600 said this before on a couple of PODS whether or not they are 1065 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,700 good Pros or not, the top of the draft board is locked in, like, 1066 00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:38,800 Victor win by Yama, might be a bust that's immaterial. 1067 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,100 Like he's going to be the number one pick that kids scoot 1068 00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:43,000 Henderson. I think, from in the g-league 1069 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,000 he's gonna be the number two pick like they could suck, but 1070 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,000 like they're not dropping like I would say the top 12 to 13 spots 1071 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,000 in the draft are locked in, like it's just no matter what jail is 1072 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,900 a Cioppino does. He's probably not going to get 1073 00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:56,500 in the upper Years of the lottery. 1074 00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:59,000 It's just those spots are already locked in. 1075 00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:02,800 I was telling my friend this last night, he feels very much 1076 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,600 like he could be in that Max Christie range or it's like 1077 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,200 he'll be at the end of the first round. 1078 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,000 And then it's like what do you want to do? 1079 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,100 Like and I do think ni L could bring him back. 1080 00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:15,500 I think this is again the under the radar this out. 1081 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:17,600 I think a lot of it depends on how he looks in the tournament 1082 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,900 and if we make a run in the tournament that could increase 1083 00:53:19,900 --> 00:53:21,500 the stock a little bit but I think he's got a hard cap. 1084 00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:25,900 I just I don't see him being able to get past the End of the 1085 00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:28,700 first round, no matter what he does, and it's really not based 1086 00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:30,500 on him. It's just based on the fact that 1087 00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:34,100 there's so many other prospects above him that he's just not 1088 00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:36,500 going to be able to jump, no matter what he does. 1089 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,500 So I I personally think I could definitely see him coming back 1090 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,200 just because I look at the Mac Christie, he probably should 1091 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:49,100 have come back and if you get the IL money, you know, and I 1092 00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:52,200 could see a world where with, with Jalen Hood safinaz game, 1093 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,200 you know, I always look at coming back to college. 1094 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,000 Like, are you making yourself? Better for the pros and 1095 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,300 increasing your draft stock. And I definitely think he could 1096 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,700 really increase his Drax graph stock because I'll end with 1097 00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:04,700 this. I could see a world where he has 1098 00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:07,900 a really good end of the year continues, playing like this 1099 00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:11,100 decides to come back. He's the focal point of this 1100 00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:12,800 team. He's starting to get you know, 1101 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,300 first team Big, Ten all mentions, maybe some talk of, 1102 00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:17,800 you know, possible All-American. Watch. 1103 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,700 I keep an eye on the sky. Like he'll be, he'll be starting 1104 00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:22,700 the year as a first-round NBA draft pick. 1105 00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:25,400 And could work his way up, if he has a Killer Season up. 1106 00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:26,700 That, you know, into the lottery. 1107 00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:29,800 So that's my take on it, I'm now a curious years. 1108 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,700 Yeah, I mean, if you'd asked me a month ago, I would have said I 1109 00:54:33,707 --> 00:54:36,300 don't see him getting drafted in the first round and that there 1110 00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:37,800 would be a real chance, he'd be back. 1111 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,100 I think the way he's been playing recently and the flashes 1112 00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:44,000 that he's showing off fensively, this was the piece that we were 1113 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,900 talking about is having been missing at the beginning of the 1114 00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:49,200 year when we were like hey we should probably pump the brakes 1115 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,700 on this idea that Shafi knows like an automatic one and done. 1116 00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:54,100 He's bumped. His offensive rating above one. 1117 00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:57,800 So he Point per possession, which is obviously where he 1118 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,600 needed to be. He's shooting 43% from 3 now on 1119 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,400 the season he's and he's shooting 47% from three in Big. 1120 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,900 Ten play like this is the level of offensive. 1121 00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:13,100 Performances assist rate. Nationwide is 250 third. 1122 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:20,700 He is rapidly becoming a player that is getting on the radar of 1123 00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:23,100 NBA Scouts and I figured that he would always get there. 1124 00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:25,700 Jeff Goodman tweeted something out yesterday during the Game 1125 00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:27,900 about how he wouldn't, you know, let him get out of the first 1126 00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:31,900 round if he was an MVA GM, and you think about the load he's 1127 00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:35,000 carried since like, starting with that Kansas game, coming 1128 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,100 back from the back injury, he has played the fewest number of 1129 00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:41,300 minutes, he played was the Michigan State game, where he 1130 00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:44,900 got injured on that hip check. And he still played 25 minutes 1131 00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:47,200 in that every other game. He's played at least 30 minutes 1132 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:53,000 and he's given, you know, a variety of statistical 1133 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,600 contributions and he's played, you know, On and off some really 1134 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,700 good defense, some defense where it looks like he's not really 1135 00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:03,100 fully engaged but overall if I'm an NBA Scout or GM, I'm looking 1136 00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:07,500 at this guy as someone I would probably take, you know, from 1137 00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:10,700 like the 20 to 30 range. And I'm seeing my girls, they 1138 00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:13,200 look at the mock draft, he's 21st right now, which is higher 1139 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,000 than I'd seen what I've seen him. 1140 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,500 Anywhere from 21st to the heat to 28th to the Grizzlies to not 1141 00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:20,400 in the first round and it's all over the place. 1142 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,100 I would be at this point if this trajectory continues and 1143 00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:26,700 especially with Xavier Johnson, comes back Back and frees up, 1144 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,200 put your fee. No, even more. 1145 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,000 I think this is where we say. I hope you enjoy watching Jalen 1146 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,600 Hurd, rufino in Indiana, uniform this year because you're 1147 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,900 probably not going to see him in the future. 1148 00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:41,100 But again, and IL is the big question mark, and if you're not 1149 00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:43,300 a first-round pick with guaranteed money or you don't 1150 00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:45,500 like the situation that you might be going to as a second 1151 00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:48,300 round pick. You know, the ability to come 1152 00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:51,500 back and earn a million dollars and play a second year and 1153 00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:55,200 really improve your draft. Stock is is certainly something. 1154 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,400 I See, not just him but many other players thinking that Amy 1155 00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,400 know what? I'm gonna take advantage of 1156 00:56:59,408 --> 00:57:01,700 this. So we'll see. 1157 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,500 I could see either scenario happening. 1158 00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:06,600 I wish we had more of a bead on it, but so much is in flux right 1159 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,200 now and that's going to be kind of interesting to watch as we 1160 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,300 move forward, although I will say, Just one thought on this is 1161 00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:16,700 like if you are, you know, jail,' know like obviously you 1162 00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:17,900 want to go high in the first round. 1163 00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:21,400 It's more money but there's a world like man if I can go 28 to 1164 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,000 the Grizzlies like that's a great team. 1165 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,300 Yeah good player. John Moran it's like there's a 1166 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,900 There's a world where like going late in the first round and then 1167 00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:31,700 as a Pacers fan it's like the Pacers right now, the 24th May 1168 00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:34,900 30th pick in the first round. It's like I wouldn't mind having 1169 00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:37,800 him go from Bloomington to Indianapolis, but I've always 1170 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,500 thought that that it's like, obviously guys want to go high 1171 00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:42,600 in the draft that you go high. You go to a shit team. 1172 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,000 It's like there's something nice about like going to the heat. 1173 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,000 You're going the Grizzlies where it's like, hey, I can just 1174 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,700 become a role player on on a title team. 1175 00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:51,900 Your one, well, it's one of those things. 1176 00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:54,400 If you're going to be a first round draft pick, go to the NBA. 1177 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,400 I mean seriously. There's no question in my mind 1178 00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,800 there and certainly you want the, you want to go higher 1179 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,300 because there's Prestige. It's like you were talking about 1180 00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:05,300 earlier with, you know, I start therefore, I'm more important 1181 00:58:05,300 --> 00:58:08,300 than people who don't and, you know, I think with Jalen Hurd 1182 00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:11,700 chafee know, you never know for sure how the draft is going to 1183 00:58:11,700 --> 00:58:13,400 play out. But if you're, if you've got 1184 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,700 three or four teams saying we're not letting you fall behind a 1185 00:58:15,707 --> 00:58:19,500 little below X, it's worth a shot to go do that. 1186 00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:23,100 And so I that's why a month ago I've been. 1187 00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:27,200 Like I don't think that this kid has put enough Out there to move 1188 00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,200 him ahead of the other people that are in the mix. 1189 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,000 But now the way that he's played the last month and as important 1190 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,000 to, he's going to need to be and the confidence that he's 1191 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,400 starting to exude offensively if he can get his defensive efforts 1192 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,300 up, even more. I mean I think his stock could 1193 00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:46,100 rise even further. Particularly if Indiana can get 1194 00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:48,400 into the second weekend of the NCAA tournament. 1195 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,600 You know, I think that, that, that showcase is what he needs 1196 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,300 to be able to rise above and last night was a great example. 1197 00:58:55,500 --> 00:59:00,800 Was a nationally, televised game on big Fox at 8 p.m., you know, 1198 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,800 the national game of the week, basically, for Fox on college 1199 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,200 basketball, at least in The Primetime there and and he had 1200 00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:09,700 in the first half when everybody's watching, he had one 1201 00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:11,500 of the best first half performance as we've seen in 1202 00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:14,500 college basketball this season like that kind of thing is going 1203 00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:16,300 to make his draft. Stock worked like go up 1204 00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:19,500 automatically because everybody's watching I want to 1205 00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:22,400 revise my statement. I'm your I'm coming on to your 1206 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,800 psyche so I'm looking at that. I hadn't looked at this enough 1207 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,500 going in. This like ahead of him in the 1208 00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:29,200 draft board is Chris merly, Chris Murray. 1209 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,800 And Brian says the ball or bright sensible. 1210 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,300 And you could say he had obviously better game than Bryce 1211 00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:36,700 last night and they ones like those are two more spots, he 1212 00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:39,500 could jump up. So, I'm I'm changing. 1213 00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:42,700 My tune is, it's very good. Be a when it's very hit-or-miss 1214 00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:45,800 like a lot of people look at Sam vest and he's nervous enemies 1215 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,300 draft mocks or the look at Kevin O'Connor at the ringer and look, 1216 00:59:50,500 --> 00:59:53,800 I don't know what the what the hit rate is on mocks right now. 1217 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,100 But you just Look at Jalen Hurd Ruffino and you look at the 1218 00:59:57,100 --> 01:00:00,600 physical package. You look at what he's bringing 1219 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,200 to the table kind of across the board. 1220 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:07,800 I mean, a guy who's listed at 66 as a point guard or combo guard, 1221 01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:09,700 that's a really valuable commodity. 1222 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,400 And, you know, at this point it's just hard to see if he 1223 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,800 keeps playing the way. He's played the last month, it's 1224 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,600 hard to see why he wouldn't get drafted in the first round. 1225 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,800 I mean, the bigger question is, Trish Jackson Davis at this 1226 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,000 point? Like I saw a couple of mocs with 1227 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,400 Tres Jackson, Davis at the tail. End of the first round and, you 1228 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,800 know, in the in specific circumstances, like the 1229 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,200 Grizzlies, or as teams, like that, that need those types of 1230 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,400 contributors. I think, Tres Jackson Davis 1231 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,700 would have a spot there as well, so it's gonna be fascinating to 1232 01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:40,000 watch. I'd really don't know what to 1233 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,300 expect out of all of this, but it's weird to be having these 1234 01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:46,100 conversations with and it's a good thing. 1235 01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:48,400 This is like if you're going to be a top-level team, this is the 1236 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,400 chi or top level program. I guess these are the kinds of 1237 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,100 conversations. You want to be having about your 1238 01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:57,300 talent, a couple other questions before we wrap up with a 1239 01:00:57,308 --> 01:01:03,100 question from Well, Footwear from our friend, James at 1240 01:01:03,100 --> 01:01:06,300 Crimson cast 2600, one of the co-hosts of crimson cash along 1241 01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:09,700 with Scott three weeks ago. My dad and I were trying to find 1242 01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:12,700 a figure out if I, you could win another conference game, sounds 1243 01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:14,600 like the conversations you and I were having Scott. 1244 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,900 Yeah, I'm a people had that, I'm not sure I've seen a turnaround 1245 01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:20,000 from a Hoosier team, like this before. 1246 01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:22,900 Is there a historical comp 1980 81 lat? 1247 01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:28,500 It's a, it's a fascinating question because 8081, I think 1248 01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:31,200 it's important to keep in mind. And that team started poor. 1249 01:01:32,100 --> 01:01:35,900 I think, at one point was seven and five in the pre Big Ten and 1250 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,500 then just went on a huge run in the Big Ten and was essentially 1251 01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:42,900 Unstoppable from the time. They put it all together. 1252 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,600 Now that team had a generational point guard in Isaiah Thomas and 1253 01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,500 had a big man that really had come into his own, plus they had 1254 01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:53,300 Randy Wittman playing for, I mean that team was stacked, you 1255 01:01:53,308 --> 01:01:58,500 know, 80, I don't know that there's another cop, I've seen 1256 01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:00,500 with this specific. Word of thing. 1257 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:04,600 You know, certainly, we've seen IU teams, get hot famously, the 1258 01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,800 2002 team was a team that was, I mean, they, you know, they 1259 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,100 shared the Big Ten title for ways but no one looked at that 1260 01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:14,700 team and said that's a team that's going to the national 1261 01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:16,200 title game. And yet they put it together in 1262 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:17,700 the tournament. There's a couple of other teams 1263 01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:20,600 like that. I don't know that I've seen a 1264 01:02:20,607 --> 01:02:24,300 team that looked as dead in the water Indiana wise as this team 1265 01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:27,600 did after that Penn State loss and then watch them turn it 1266 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,700 around the way that they did. The One. 1267 01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:33,800 Caveat I'll put on all of this is the five teams Indiana's 1268 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,400 beaten have been, I think, you know, from poor in Minnesota, to 1269 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,600 good in Illinois and Minnesota and Michigan State. 1270 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,700 And I do, I am really fascinated to see what happens with these 1271 01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:49,700 next three games that they played, because they, you know, 1272 01:02:49,700 --> 01:02:53,200 Maryland is kind of in the same boat as I'm just laughing if we 1273 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,600 always do this. But yeah, I but my point is this 1274 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,000 like Maryland is kind of in the same boat as Ohio State 1275 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,200 Michigan. State, Illinois and Wisconsin. 1276 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,200 Like they're, they're a threat to make the tournament. 1277 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,500 They can be a threat on a given night there, normally really 1278 01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:11,900 good at home, but they're also a team that clearly has flaws. 1279 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,400 And then they play two teams that have really demonstrated. 1280 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,200 I think that they are much less flawed than the rest of the 1281 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,600 conference in Purdue at home on Saturday. 1282 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,800 And then they got a host Rutgers at home that following Tuesday, 1283 01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,400 I mean, I mean Rutgers is not a mirage, I think if anything is 1284 01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:32,100 we've demonstrated Rated thou Rutgers is demonstrated now that 1285 01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:36,500 they are a good basketball team. They are what second or third. 1286 01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:39,200 Right now, in the Big Ten standings, they've beaten a 1287 01:03:39,207 --> 01:03:42,600 bunch of teams that you wouldn't have expected them to. 1288 01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:47,000 And, you know, they have three games in between when I you 1289 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,500 plays them. Including one today at Iowa, a 1290 01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:51,500 team, they've already lost too, so it'll be interesting to see 1291 01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:56,200 how they react to that. But I you from my perspective, 1292 01:03:56,900 --> 01:03:59,200 they the fact that they were able to turn around when five in 1293 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:00,500 a row. You're looking as bad as they 1294 01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:04,800 did, really is a good sign that things have turned around. 1295 01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,200 But I don't know what the cop would be because I can't 1296 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,400 remember this particular scenario having really played 1297 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:14,000 out before with an Indiana team. Normally, we know what a team is 1298 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,400 by about the first of January for Better, or For Worse. 1299 01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:22,500 And, you know, maybe the closest cop is actually the 2012 team 1300 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,900 who people forget, like they beat Kentucky, they beat Ohio 1301 01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:28,700 State and Michigan State, and then they lost a bunch of games. 1302 01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:31,500 And at one point, Five and six in the conference and, you know, 1303 01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:34,000 there was a bit of a sense that's kind of gotten lost to 1304 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:38,100 the sands of time of well. Here we go again, you know 1305 01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:42,500 Indiana in that span they lost that game at Nebraska, they lost 1306 01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:45,200 at Wisconsin. Big shock, they lose at Michigan 1307 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,200 and it's like, well crap. We thought this was going to be 1308 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,200 a special season but now Indiana looks like they're on and route 1309 01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,700 to another losing record in the conference from that point 1310 01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:55,300 forward. That Indiana team won. 1311 01:04:55,300 --> 01:04:57,200 Seven of their final eight games. 1312 01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,300 One of them was an on Big Ten Conference. 1313 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,100 Name. But they really closed well that 1314 01:05:03,100 --> 01:05:05,000 season. And that might be the closest 1315 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,300 comp I can think of the what Indiana's done so far this 1316 01:05:07,300 --> 01:05:09,200 season. Yeah, it's weird. 1317 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,200 When as James asked that question, I was like, it's a 1318 01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,100 Galen answer. This is, that's your world. 1319 01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:16,800 You know, what's the best cop? But it's like, unfortunately, I 1320 01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,900 can think of a lot of reverse comps like the 2017 season. 1321 01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:22,200 We beat Kansas who beat North Carolina early. 1322 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,100 But then we finish the year, 17, and 14 7-Eleven in the Big Ten 1323 01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:28,400 and it's like there's been unfortunately, too many years 1324 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,100 where we look good. utterly and then the wheels come off and the 1325 01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:36,600 reverse happens of what might be happening now, but no, I'm with 1326 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:42,100 you, it seems a little bit impressive but it also Not 1327 01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:45,500 trying to dampen this but there's still a lot of season 1328 01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:48,600 left and this team could still very easily finish some 500. 1329 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,100 In the Big Ten they still have to take care of business and you 1330 01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:56,400 know, this is kind of what's on the line is that is this season 1331 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,500 going to be thought of as one of those like wow a team really 1332 01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:00,800 turned it around and did something again, don't need to 1333 01:06:00,808 --> 01:06:04,200 win a title but it did something you know, good or you know they 1334 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,600 end up stubbing their toe against Maryland they lose to 1335 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,500 Purdue and Rutgers and then it's like now you're going to 1336 01:06:08,500 --> 01:06:11,300 Michigan on a three, you know, on a three-game losing streak 1337 01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:14,300 recoup Before then suddenly we're like alright well that is 1338 01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:18,500 not a mirage but just like that was a blip in the season and now 1339 01:06:18,500 --> 01:06:21,600 we won't even think back in 5 years of this year of having 1340 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,900 that Tweed, forget, don't forget that team in 2023, had that turn 1341 01:06:25,900 --> 01:06:27,300 around and then completely fell apart. 1342 01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:30,900 So there's still a lot of how this book finishes a still very 1343 01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:32,700 much in flux. Well, this was a question, I 1344 01:06:32,707 --> 01:06:35,200 almost posted on Twitter, but I guess I'll just post it to you 1345 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,700 instead Indiana's 6 and 4 in conference. 1346 01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:40,700 Now, halfway through the Big Ten season if they went five and 1347 01:06:40,700 --> 01:06:44,100 five. And finished it 11 and 9, would 1348 01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:47,200 you consider that a successful conclusion of the Big Ten 1349 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,800 campaign, given everything that we know about the season? 1350 01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,400 Got that be right on the right, on the right on the edge of what 1351 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,400 I would because we have five home games left. 1352 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:06,500 Yeah, yeah, that's basically. You're holding serve at home and 1353 01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:10,000 you're losing on the road or you're you're losing to Purdue 1354 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:15,200 at home but you're winning. The road, I think that's it's 1355 01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,700 enough to get you in the tournament. 1356 01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:19,800 You're probably a 10 or 11 seed. I think you're better than me. 1357 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,200 Honestly, I think right now. I mean not to interrupt, but 1358 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,400 like, if you're, if Indiana finish is 11 and 9 right now in 1359 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,400 the conference, they would they be a 20 win team? 1360 01:07:29,900 --> 01:07:33,300 And, you know, they would, they would have enough, they have to 1361 01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:36,800 top level Road wins. They probably have at least one 1362 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,800 more Road wind. Add to that. 1363 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,300 I think that's much better than a ten or eleven. 1364 01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:42,700 See. They're not going to put an 1365 01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:45,500 Indiana team with that resume because if you hold serve at 1366 01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:48,600 this point Ascent, which is essentially what I'm suggesting 1367 01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,000 here and actually get the Anna can do better than I think 1368 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,100 Indiana is likely to go 12 and 8 in conference. 1369 01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:56,000 I think six and four over the last 10 is more likely but I do 1370 01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:00,800 think that five and five is certainly a reasonable outcome 1371 01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:05,200 and really sets you up well given the fact that you would 1372 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,300 have been missing your starting point guard and savior Johnson, 1373 01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:12,500 for most of the Big Ten season and you know Even when you got 1374 01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:15,300 him back and maybe that happens in the next two weeks, maybe it 1375 01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:18,200 doesn't happen until the 18th when they come back for home 1376 01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,500 against Illinois. You're probably not going to get 1377 01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:25,600 a fully functional and 100% strength, Xavier Johnson, until 1378 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,100 maybe the Big Ten tournament. And what I did what I think is 1379 01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:34,300 going to be interesting to see with this IU team is as well as 1380 01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:36,399 they've played in, as much as the contributions have been 1381 01:08:36,407 --> 01:08:38,800 coming in. Like how well will that travel 1382 01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,300 in? What is kind of a weird set of 1383 01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:42,100 games coming up? Because I mentioned like 1384 01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:44,200 Maryland on the road Purdue at home. 1385 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,500 Rutgers at home, Michigan on the road Northwestern on the road. 1386 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,000 Northwestern also, legit 8, I think it's important to keep in 1387 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:56,500 mind like Northwestern is on, they've won five of their last 1388 01:08:56,500 --> 01:08:59,800 seven and that, you know, they've cleaned up against some 1389 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,200 of the worst teams in the conference but they're blowing 1390 01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,100 out those teams they won by 20 at home versus Minnesota. 1391 01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:07,399 They won by 15 on the road at Nebraska. 1392 01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,700 They play Iowa later on this week, on the road. 1393 01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:14,399 We'll learn some stuff. Are you know, but Indiana's got 1394 01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:16,700 a shot against a lot of these teams because they're, you know, 1395 01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:18,800 outside of Purdue and Rutgers, none of them have really 1396 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,300 demonstrated themselves as being that much better than Indiana. 1397 01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:24,399 A great question. Who's the third best team in the 1398 01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:25,899 Big Ten? Right, and I mean, I think if 1399 01:09:25,899 --> 01:09:29,600 you look at talent and the way that the team is playing, it is 1400 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:34,700 Indiana right now, you know, and that that is, that's going to be 1401 01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:37,600 what's interesting to watch. And I think, you know, Scott, we 1402 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,100 have talked about this, a bunch like, where does Indiana end up 1403 01:09:40,100 --> 01:09:42,200 Landing in the big tent? Tournament. 1404 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,399 As of today, Indiana has a double by as we've talked about, 1405 01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:48,600 they would be the four seed because they are in a three-way 1406 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,500 tie for fourth that they based on every tie-break available. 1407 01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:54,300 Well, but but no, but they beat Illinois and they beat Michigan 1408 01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:55,700 State. And that's the mini group. 1409 01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,700 And what's going to be interesting? 1410 01:09:58,700 --> 01:10:03,500 Is if Indiana's able to hold serve and maybe pick up one 1411 01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:06,500 additional win 12. And 8, at this point, is 1412 01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:10,300 probably going to get you the 3 seed, like right now, Illinois 1413 01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:14,500 is projected at 12 and 8. Rutgers is projected at 13 and 7 1414 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:19,700 produced projected at 16 and 4. And you know what's going to be 1415 01:10:19,700 --> 01:10:24,000 really interesting for Indiana is if they can get to 12 and 8 1416 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,100 at this point, the worst that they would be against Illinois 1417 01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:30,400 is 500 and then you get a bunch of other tiebreakers in. 1418 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,100 And they've got a real shot at at sweeping Illinois. 1419 01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:35,300 You know, we're looking way ahead. 1420 01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:36,600 But these are the things to think about. 1421 01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,900 As we go down the stretch here, it just sucks getting that 1422 01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:42,300 double by because you know, if your eye you, they Probably 1423 01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:45,400 already booked travel, for Tuesday, go to Chicago for the 1424 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:46,900 team's gonna be there for four days. 1425 01:10:46,900 --> 01:10:48,800 I guess just, I'm sure at the beginning of the year it's like, 1426 01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,800 well, we know we're not going to get that. 1427 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,600 So let's just go ahead and booked the hotel rooms like I 1428 01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,500 use going to cancel it. Like, there's more, and I all 1429 01:10:54,500 --> 01:10:55,900 money out the door. Yeah. 1430 01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,600 Like I don't, what do you do with a double by like, what am I 1431 01:10:58,608 --> 01:11:01,200 going to do with my Wednesday and Thursday nights and Friday 1432 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,800 nights or whatever? And you know not watching. 1433 01:11:03,900 --> 01:11:05,500 You had to play Thursday. Yeah. 1434 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,400 Everybody has to play Thursday is so but no your it's funny but 1435 01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,900 it's funny because it's true. Yeah. 1436 01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,700 To me, that's a really important thing for IU is get the double 1437 01:11:16,700 --> 01:11:20,800 by guarantee that you will, you know, at the worst having a 1438 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,500 non-harmful loss in the because I don't expect winds in the Big 1439 01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:27,200 Ten Tournament, I'm just not like that. 1440 01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:29,100 And neither should you be or anybody else? 1441 01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:32,500 If you're an IU fan, but you know, get yourself some rest, 1442 01:11:32,500 --> 01:11:34,800 put yourself in a position where you can fine-tune a little bit 1443 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:39,000 heading into the NCAA tournament and I am fascinated to watch. 1444 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,200 Indiana, try to reintegrate Xavier Johnson and to see They 1445 01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:46,400 continue to get out of Malik renew and you know, if Malik 1446 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,500 renew is really going to give them the promise that he showed 1447 01:11:49,500 --> 01:11:52,600 earlier on in the season and now does seem to be something where 1448 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,100 he's gotten over that hump that completely changes the outcome 1449 01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:58,400 because a bunch of people asked, like, what is the ceiling on 1450 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,000 this team. Brian Hicks asked this question, 1451 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,500 a couple of other people did as well. 1452 01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:03,400 Like, what is the, is this the peak? 1453 01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:05,300 I don't think it's the peak because you don't have Xavier 1454 01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:09,400 Johnson out there and people forget how much of a like, what 1455 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,500 Jalen atrophy no does. Xavier Johnson was already 1456 01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:15,700 doing. He was willing to pull up from 1457 01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:17,500 three. He's a threat from Deep. 1458 01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:20,500 He's a, he's got an ability to drive and get all the way to the 1459 01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:22,300 bucket, and go to the free-throw line. 1460 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,700 He's one of the best assist men in college basketball, adding 1461 01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:29,300 that piece back automatically raises the ceiling on this team. 1462 01:12:30,100 --> 01:12:31,800 What's what's the overall ceiling? 1463 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,900 We had a question from. Let me find it here real quick. 1464 01:12:35,900 --> 01:12:40,500 From been we're on a great run. Currently some college 1465 01:12:40,500 --> 01:12:43,000 basketball, pundit saved. Like a second weekend team, I 1466 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,800 say we have to show more on the road because tournament games 1467 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,400 aren't played at Assembly Hall. Thoughts, my thoughts are. 1468 01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:50,800 They've already shown a lot on the road. 1469 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,000 They wanted the Xavier they won at Illinois. 1470 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,700 They've, you know, I mean, go look at other teams, even the 1471 01:12:57,700 --> 01:13:01,600 Minnesota game while Minnesota's bad and Indiana should have 1472 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,500 played better. Like that is a game that it's a 1473 01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:08,700 road game and it is not necessarily an automatic win. 1474 01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:11,400 You know, it's one of those things where I think Indiana 1475 01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:14,100 Anna has shown enough on the road compared to some of the 1476 01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:17,100 teams that they're going to be going up against out there. 1477 01:13:17,700 --> 01:13:23,000 I'm not too concerned at this point about Indiana traveling 1478 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,400 especially if they're going to play this kind of Defense. 1479 01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,900 Indiana, certainly has the ability to be a second weekend 1480 01:13:28,900 --> 01:13:30,800 team. A lot of its matchups. 1481 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,500 A lot of it's eating the you have a much better chance of 1482 01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:37,200 being a second weekend team. If you're a five seed or better 1483 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,300 because you're, you know, if you're a six seed you got to 1484 01:13:40,308 --> 01:13:42,400 play a three, probably. Lee so on and so forth. 1485 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:47,100 Go ahead. Hold on, Scott is struggling 1486 01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:48,600 with his connection a little bit here. 1487 01:13:49,300 --> 01:13:51,100 Sorry. No, the audio got funky on, 1488 01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:53,500 there we go. But uh, my point, my point, 1489 01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:58,300 being a lot of Indiana's ability to be in the second weekend, it 1490 01:13:58,300 --> 01:14:00,600 comes down to how well they play the rest of the season. 1491 01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:02,400 I know. I think they're probably they 1492 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,300 need to win at least one or two more games on the road or away 1493 01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:08,100 from Assembly Hall at the Big Ten Tournament but I think 1494 01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:10,900 Indiana is done enough on the road to say, yes, they can be a 1495 01:14:10,900 --> 01:14:15,400 second weekend team. And I also think ultimately 1496 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,500 Indiana because they're going to be adding pieces back and 1497 01:14:18,500 --> 01:14:20,000 because of their commitment to defense. 1498 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,900 As long as that effort maintains, that's a really tough 1499 01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:27,900 matchup for a lot of teams in the in the tournament because 1500 01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:32,900 there's very few teams that are going to have had the experience 1501 01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:37,000 of playing against a trace Jackson Davis and there's very 1502 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,200 few teams who are going to be able to defend effectively. 1503 01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:42,900 Jalen who Jaffe know the way that he's currently playing. 1504 01:14:43,300 --> 01:14:46,600 And that to me is a really exciting combination. 1505 01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,200 We've always talked about how important guards are in the NCAA 1506 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,200 tournament and that's been a problem that I use had 1507 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,300 Indiana's. Got the guard archetype ready to 1508 01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:57,400 go in this tournament. And I thought tomorrow Bates in 1509 01:14:57,407 --> 01:15:00,500 there as well, like a guy who can shoot without really 1510 01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:05,000 thinking about it a guy who can, you know, certainly be athletic 1511 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,200 heat. Maybe his defense isn't that 1512 01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:07,900 great? But I think the formulas there, 1513 01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,600 it's just going to be less about Kennedy and a play on the road 1514 01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,100 and more can Indiana maintain the level of intensity. 1515 01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,900 That they've had this last few weeks, I agree. 1516 01:15:15,900 --> 01:15:19,100 I think the ceiling has raised, you know, the caveat is assuming 1517 01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:22,400 that the effort and the intensity of the last five games 1518 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,600 continues. They're not going to win out, 1519 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,400 they're going to lose a couple games here and there, but if 1520 01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,800 that keeps up to me, that the ceiling is definitely risen and 1521 01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,600 I agree with you. I think there's no reason why 1522 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,700 this can't be a second weekend team or at least a team that 1523 01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:36,700 competes for the second weekend because all the things you said, 1524 01:15:36,700 --> 01:15:39,900 but I will add in there that you're not just possibly adding 1525 01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:41,900 Xavier Johnson as you kind of mentioned. 1526 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,300 Your kind of adding Renu look for the last month and a half. 1527 01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:48,500 He's been hitting that wall, he hasn't been a major contributor. 1528 01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:52,900 He is going to be giving you 8 to 12 points a night and able to 1529 01:15:52,900 --> 01:15:55,700 contribute at that level you're adding Money crew. 1530 01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,000 Sorry you're adding Malik renew your kind of adding a very 1531 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,200 functional Tamar Bates and you saw it last year, you know, 1532 01:16:03,100 --> 01:16:06,200 Jordan Geronimo spiked at the end of the year. 1533 01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,800 I think that's that's partially because of work he was doing but 1534 01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,300 also just because in the tournament in matchups like you 1535 01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:14,700 know that's a Thing is like, you mentioned, a bunch of times a 1536 01:16:14,708 --> 01:16:16,100 month. We're do like the book is out on 1537 01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:17,200 him. People are seeing him, 1538 01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:18,600 especially because you're in the Big Ten. 1539 01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:19,800 Think you've seen a bunch of film. 1540 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,600 You see these teams over and over again, like everyone seen 1541 01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,600 trace for four years now, you know, you see, guys popping the 1542 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,400 tournament. I think it's partially because 1543 01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:30,700 you have teams that are seeing players they haven't seen 1544 01:16:30,700 --> 01:16:32,400 before. And yes, they have film when 1545 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,400 they watch it, but it's much different, getting it in person 1546 01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,600 were Suddenly It's like, I wasn't prepared for what Malik 1547 01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,600 were new was do. Even though I knew it on film. 1548 01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,400 Where is Veera you're playing for Iowa? 1549 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:43,100 Michigan. Say it's okay. 1550 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,400 Seen him twice and like I know I know that little move and I know 1551 01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:50,300 how to stop it and I also think Tres Jackson Davis is a really 1552 01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:54,800 unique player in the tournament because unlike a guy like e.t. 1553 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,600 who I can see getting into foul trouble like we've just seen it 1554 01:16:57,700 --> 01:17:00,700 Trace really doesn't foul his history, just is to not get in 1555 01:17:00,700 --> 01:17:05,500 foul trouble and so he he can pose some very unique matchups 1556 01:17:05,500 --> 01:17:09,000 in the tournament and you know, I will end with like if our 1557 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,900 defense continues to play at this intensity, that's just 1558 01:17:11,900 --> 01:17:14,800 something that travels. And has shown that it travels. 1559 01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,800 And I would say, like, I think you're being too the to the 1560 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,800 question like, you're being hard Indiana, because we got a bunch 1561 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,000 of quad, one wins that win at Xavier. 1562 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,500 As you said is holding up nicely, the home, win against 1563 01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:27,000 North Carolina there. Now in the top, 30 and Ken Palm, 1564 01:17:27,100 --> 01:17:29,200 that's a good win. The win at Illinois, that's 1565 01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,500 going to hold up the mess a 15-point win. 1566 01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:36,000 Now at Illinois in the middle of the Big Ten season that's going 1567 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,400 to hold up and I still think we could win, you know, a Michigan 1568 01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,400 or Northwestern game on the road which will also hold up. 1569 01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,300 And if we You are able to take down a Purdue, a Rutgers, our 1570 01:17:45,300 --> 01:17:50,800 resume is going to be very nice, but I think we're adding a lot 1571 01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,900 of pieces and some of them are pieces. 1572 01:17:52,900 --> 01:17:55,600 We already have, but if you're adding a more functional Malik 1573 01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,800 renew, that's basically like adding another guy. 1574 01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,200 So I think the ceiling is is really high for this team. 1575 01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,900 And you know, I'll joke but like instead of getting to the second 1576 01:18:04,900 --> 01:18:09,600 weekend of the NCAA tournament Galen, I'm ready to say it. 1577 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,900 I think this is a team that could play on Sunday in the Big 1578 01:18:11,900 --> 01:18:17,200 Ten Tournament. Oh, Oh, I will what we've done? 1579 01:18:19,300 --> 01:18:22,500 We've done a bunch of times the last 20 years Sunday in the Big 1580 01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:24,000 Ten Tournament, we've only done one. 1581 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,400 So, I mean, what's more important here, you talk about a 1582 01:18:26,407 --> 01:18:30,500 legacy Trace Jackson Davis. Feel like I'm the only guy in 1583 01:18:30,500 --> 01:18:32,000 the last. I want to hear is who's taking 1584 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,100 this team to Sunday on the Big Ten Tournament. 1585 01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:38,400 Like, that's not enter worthy. This got you've touched the 1586 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,100 third rail? Okay no. 1587 01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:43,000 No. But your it's like that. 1588 01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,800 Look, here's our pisses me off about the big tab. 1589 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:51,300 So much of this is decided by matchups and Illinois right now. 1590 01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,200 Like just statistically, they are projected to finish 12 and 8 1591 01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,600 in conference, you know why? Because Illinois gets to play 1592 01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:02,800 Nebraska twice, Minnesota, twice, and Purdue once. 1593 01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,300 Like that's and that Purdue games on the road, they don't 1594 01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:09,300 even I'm sorry. They do get paid to play pretty 1595 01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:12,200 twice, they actually play them coming up so it's still, no, no. 1596 01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,300 I'm I was Right? The first time they played them 1597 01:19:14,300 --> 01:19:19,500 once it's just like come on guys like Illinois gets the two 1598 01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:22,200 worst, four games against the two worst teams in the 1599 01:19:22,208 --> 01:19:25,700 conference and they only have to play the best team in the 1600 01:19:25,708 --> 01:19:30,400 conference one time. And you know what, if I'm not 1601 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,200 mistaken, they also only play Rutgers. 1602 01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:37,900 Once you know, I mean that you talk about a lucky ass draw for 1603 01:19:37,900 --> 01:19:40,000 the Illini here. It's pretty remarkable. 1604 01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:43,500 So this is where it's tough because so much of How we're 1605 01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:45,800 programmed to think about the teams based upon where they 1606 01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,900 finish in the conference standings, and Indiana is going 1607 01:19:47,900 --> 01:19:49,700 to play a demonstrable harder record. 1608 01:19:50,300 --> 01:19:53,700 Then most of the teams that they're in competition for, for 1609 01:19:53,700 --> 01:19:56,000 that, you know, second third fourth spot. 1610 01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,200 The one team that is playing a really hard scheduled. 1611 01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,200 That's actually up far there that I'm really impressed by his 1612 01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,100 Rutgers who did not get any favors in the Big Ten schedule 1613 01:20:04,100 --> 01:20:05,600 makers and has not cared about it. 1614 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:10,000 But anyway, the last thing I wanted to touch on before we 1615 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,800 wrap up is the games coming up this week, Maryland. 1616 01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:18,100 On Tuesday at 9 p.m. why of all like can we get a seven o'clock 1617 01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:21,900 game? I mean, do they realize how hard 1618 01:20:21,900 --> 01:20:25,700 it is to just calm down after Indiana plays a road game? 1619 01:20:25,700 --> 01:20:28,200 It's like that Minnesota is east coast. 1620 01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,900 You have teams, I don't roll. Like, I know it's ridiculous. 1621 01:20:31,900 --> 01:20:34,500 And then of course, Purdue on Saturday. 1622 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,600 You know, these are two games that actually Indiana's 1623 01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,100 projected to lose in Ken pom their projected to lose the 1624 01:20:40,108 --> 01:20:42,800 Maryland game by to the projected to lose the Purdue 1625 01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,700 game. By a point, you know, when I 1626 01:20:45,708 --> 01:20:48,600 look at this Maryland team, they're actually very similar in 1627 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,200 a lot of ways to Indiana in terms of how they line up. 1628 01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,200 They have, nobody over six feet nine. 1629 01:20:53,700 --> 01:20:59,400 They, you know, they very much focus on getting the ball down 1630 01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:03,200 low, you know, or at least with inside the two-point Circle. 1631 01:21:03,900 --> 01:21:06,800 They don't you know, everybody's talking about Indiana, not 1632 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,000 shooting a lot of Threes as a proportion of their total 1633 01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,500 offense. Will Maryland doesn't either, 1634 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,800 you know, the big difference between these two is Maryland 1635 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,300 go. To the free-throw line a bit 1636 01:21:14,300 --> 01:21:17,000 more and Maryland does not believe in the cysts. 1637 01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,400 Like they're one of the worst assist to field goal made teams 1638 01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,900 in the country. They really do everything off of 1639 01:21:21,900 --> 01:21:25,300 isolation and off of these trying to get players into 1640 01:21:25,300 --> 01:21:30,800 position letting them work. You know, Indiana has really as 1641 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,200 we talked about at the top of the podcast is really focused 1642 01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:37,600 their attention on limiting offensive rebounds and and 1643 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,300 that's not something that Maryland necessarily you know, 1644 01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,700 they really do rely on off. It's of rebounds. 1645 01:21:43,700 --> 01:21:46,200 They love to get like, put backs and things like that, so that is 1646 01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:47,600 going to be a fascinating battle. 1647 01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,600 You know. Maryland, doesn't turn the ball 1648 01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,200 over that much. And Indiana doesn't Force. 1649 01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,200 Many turnovers. I look at this game. 1650 01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,600 And I'm like, if Indiana doesn't get spooked by being on the road 1651 01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,900 in a hostile environment against, you know what is it? 1652 01:22:00,900 --> 01:22:04,300 A talented team in Maryland, they got a real shot in this 1653 01:22:04,300 --> 01:22:07,700 game if they can play their game and if they can keep Maryland 1654 01:22:07,700 --> 01:22:10,900 off the offensive boards. But a lot of it's really going 1655 01:22:10,900 --> 01:22:14,000 to come down to who's going to step up for Or Indiana in terms 1656 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:18,200 of shooting like can Maryland, effectively guard Trace Jackson, 1657 01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:23,700 Davis and can somebody for Indiana step up and play in a 1658 01:22:23,700 --> 01:22:25,900 way that's going to complement with Tres Jackson. 1659 01:22:25,900 --> 01:22:29,700 Davis, does I mean, you look at what happened last year against 1660 01:22:29,700 --> 01:22:31,300 Maryland? And people forget like Indiana 1661 01:22:31,300 --> 01:22:35,600 swept Maryland. Last year, you know, TJ D in the 1662 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,700 home game that Indiana won by 10. 1663 01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:41,500 He went for 18 and 5, which seems incredibly pedestrian when 1664 01:22:41,500 --> 01:22:43,000 you think about what he's been doing this. 1665 01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:46,700 Here and in the road game at Maryland, which Indiana also one 1666 01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:51,700 he went for 17 and 9 and you know, and though that was those 1667 01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:54,200 were some big wins. Like I really believe that 1668 01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,800 Maryland win. Probably got Indiana into the 1669 01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,400 NCAA tournament, even though Maryland wasn't great last year, 1670 01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,500 they, you know, Indiana needed a road win and they happen to pull 1671 01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:07,400 one off there, you know, for Maryland's from Maryland's 1672 01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:11,800 perspective, they are very reminiscent of what we just saw 1673 01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,800 out of Ohio State. Where they've got a lot of wins, 1674 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,300 they're five and five in conference. 1675 01:23:16,300 --> 01:23:21,900 They haven't really beaten a good team on the road and, you 1676 01:23:21,907 --> 01:23:23,900 know, but they have beaten some good teams at home. 1677 01:23:23,900 --> 01:23:27,600 They've they beat Ohio State who I guess maybe isn't good now, I 1678 01:23:27,608 --> 01:23:29,400 don't know. They beat Illinois at home back 1679 01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:33,000 in the early part of December and then they beat Miami, who's 1680 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,000 been. Okay, so far this season on a 1681 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:39,000 neutral floor, you know, they probably should be the favorite 1682 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,800 in this game just because they played so much better over the 1683 01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,100 course of the last four games. They've won three of their last 1684 01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:48,100 four and they almost knocked off Purdue in in Mackey Arena. 1685 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,600 But I don't think this is a bridge too far for Indiana, and 1686 01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,300 I think if they can come out and play, you know, really, really 1687 01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:57,300 well defensively, and really limit what Maryland is doing in 1688 01:23:57,300 --> 01:24:00,800 the post, Maryland has not demonstrated an ability to shoot 1689 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,000 threes, well at all their 314th in the country in three-point 1690 01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,500 percentage of shooting 30.7% on the season. 1691 01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,200 This is a game Indiana could steal, but they're going to have 1692 01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,900 to play it kind of Peak Performance to do it because I 1693 01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:15,300 think, Think Maryland is kind of an underrated asset right now, 1694 01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:17,900 in the conference overall, I mean, it must be nice. 1695 01:24:17,900 --> 01:24:19,500 This is their third straight home game. 1696 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,700 So in the span that we went from Minnesota to Bloomington to 1697 01:24:22,708 --> 01:24:26,900 Maryland, they just stayed home for Wisconsin, Nebraska Indiana, 1698 01:24:27,900 --> 01:24:31,000 you know, it's splitting hairs but they haven't, you know, as 1699 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,000 you mentioned haven't beaten the team in the top 20 in can pom. 1700 01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:38,200 So it does feel like, Marilyn is a team that can kind of beat the 1701 01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:39,900 bad teams. Beat the teams that are with 1702 01:24:39,900 --> 01:24:42,900 them, but maybe not do as well again. 1703 01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:45,700 Higher level competition. The question is, is Indiana 1704 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,500 higher level competition? They also look like a team that 1705 01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:52,300 just wins at home and has a real hard time on the road like since 1706 01:24:52,300 --> 01:24:55,200 the beginning since December 22nd they've won all their home 1707 01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,700 games and lost all their Road games. 1708 01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:00,100 The only home game they lost is to UCLA and just looking at the 1709 01:25:00,100 --> 01:25:01,900 stats of that game. I didn't watch it but you see 1710 01:25:01,900 --> 01:25:05,100 other went on to pretty intense runs the beginning of the first 1711 01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:07,900 half ago 17 and to make a 12-0 run. 1712 01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:11,500 So if you're Indiana like that, that's where I think you could 1713 01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:14,200 do what you did to Ohio State. State and just kind of go on a 1714 01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,900 run easier said than done, but, you know, go on a little run. 1715 01:25:17,900 --> 01:25:21,000 I also am with you. I don't, I don't think this is a 1716 01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,800 bridge too far. And I think, again, what is it 1717 01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:26,400 stake? Here is really leading. 1718 01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,000 You know, to me, I think if you win, Maryland, it gives you a 1719 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,000 better chance to beat Purdue. Just because you come in a 1720 01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,600 six-game winning streak, it really, really amps up that 1721 01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,100 Saturday night game against Purdue. 1722 01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:41,000 I think that games going to be amped up either way, but it's 1723 01:25:41,008 --> 01:25:43,800 just going to give it that like, you know, spy Tap will go into 1724 01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:47,000 11, like it's just going to take you take your knob one more 1725 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:52,400 Notch and now it's like now I do think you know, all these things 1726 01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,900 are intertwined but this is also like if your Trace Jackson Davis 1727 01:25:55,900 --> 01:25:59,200 you know, this is where if you can come into that Purdue game 1728 01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,000 on a six-game winning streak and then you just can win and beat 1729 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,600 down Edie. It's like suddenly you can take 1730 01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,700 the mantle of not only Big Ten Player of the Year suddenly, you 1731 01:26:07,700 --> 01:26:13,200 know, if you're Indiana your, you know, 8 and 4 in the Going 1732 01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,700 ahead of your picture for beating Purdue Purdue's now got 1733 01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:19,600 two losses. You are only you know, two 1734 01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,500 losses Bhai in behind them in the yeah. 1735 01:26:23,500 --> 01:26:26,700 The standings in the standing there they lost the Big Ten. 1736 01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:27,300 Right. Right. 1737 01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:29,600 But you have the tiebreak, I mean like you're you're suddenly 1738 01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,400 now like within shooting distance of winning the Big Ten 1739 01:26:32,500 --> 01:26:35,400 but you could take the plate. Like there's so much at stake 1740 01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,900 this next week. It doesn't all go away if you 1741 01:26:37,900 --> 01:26:41,800 lose to Maryland but everything is really on the table if you 1742 01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,100 beat Maryland and To me. That's where. 1743 01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,500 And I think if you come out with that intensity and they play the 1744 01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:49,300 way they've been playing, I think they should win. 1745 01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,200 I mean really, I do think like this is this is the kind of game 1746 01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,100 that you should win. It's not the other world if they 1747 01:26:54,108 --> 01:26:57,700 don't. But the a lots at stake and a 1748 01:26:57,700 --> 01:27:00,600 lot of that kind of Legacy stuff, it just it all is 1749 01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,900 intertwined and I think you could have a nice little run 1750 01:27:02,900 --> 01:27:05,500 here and then probably have a letdown loss against Rutgers 1751 01:27:05,500 --> 01:27:08,100 home and then still be like, God damn, why can't we be truckers? 1752 01:27:08,100 --> 01:27:09,400 But we'll get to that. We get. 1753 01:27:09,500 --> 01:27:11,800 It is an interesting thing I mean was the let down the 1754 01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,500 Minnesota game. And everybody refocused after 1755 01:27:14,500 --> 01:27:17,400 that, I just yeah it's you know, it's hard to get. 1756 01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,200 It's hard to get a bead on this team in that I still don't 1757 01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,400 totally believe that they are completely over the hump in 1758 01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:28,000 terms of how they play in these individual games but every game 1759 01:27:28,300 --> 01:27:29,600 the evidence seems to mount that. 1760 01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,000 Yeah. Maybe they actually are. 1761 01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,100 I don't think I guess my point in all that was if they go out 1762 01:27:34,100 --> 01:27:36,700 and lose to Maryland, I don't think that it means that the 1763 01:27:36,700 --> 01:27:38,600 wheels of fallen off. I think that that's just going 1764 01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,700 to be a tough place to play, Given how Maryland's playing 1765 01:27:41,700 --> 01:27:42,800 now. And as much as we talk about, 1766 01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,700 Bianna, having kind of, you know, resurrected their season 1767 01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,500 Maryland's, the same way. I mean, Maryland you look at 1768 01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:52,600 what happened to them, not what a few weeks ago. 1769 01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:54,800 They're they're getting they got lot. 1770 01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:59,300 They they lost at home to UCLA by 27 points, and it wasn't that 1771 01:27:59,300 --> 01:28:01,500 close. They lost on the road on. 1772 01:28:01,500 --> 01:28:07,700 New Year's Day to Michigan, 81 246 like think about that and 1773 01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,500 that's that Michigan team. That's probably not going to 1774 01:28:09,500 --> 01:28:12,300 make the NCAA tournament. They lost by 14 to Rutgers they 1775 01:28:12,300 --> 01:28:15,400 lost by four. 14 to Iowa. And yet in the last couple of 1776 01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,300 weeks, they've really managed to turn things around and they're 1777 01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:20,300 playing much better ball and granted it's been against 1778 01:28:20,500 --> 01:28:23,100 somewhat lesser competition. But, you know, they went from 1779 01:28:23,100 --> 01:28:27,400 losing 80 146 to Michigan on the road to beating them by six at 1780 01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:29,600 home. That's a pretty big turnaround, 1781 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,000 but I do think that if Indiana plays at their best level on the 1782 01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,000 road, this is a game that they can win and I'd like to see them 1783 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,100 win. It obviously, are you artifacts? 1784 01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:41,100 How does IU matchup against Purdue? 1785 01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:43,400 It's a really fascinating. Game. 1786 01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:46,300 And it's one that we may end up doing a separate podcast on, 1787 01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,800 depending on what happens. Yeah, you know, before the game 1788 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,100 starts. But last year, if you remember 1789 01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:56,800 that was, that was maybe the oddest game on the schedule for 1790 01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,500 Indiana at home that game, did they beat Purdue at home? 1791 01:28:59,500 --> 01:29:02,600 Because they got nothing out of Trace Jackson, Davis, that day, 1792 01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,000 he was in foul trouble. Basically, from the moment that 1793 01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:09,200 the game started, he only scored Four Points, he only played 11 1794 01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:10,800 minutes. I mean, can you imagine that 1795 01:29:10,900 --> 01:29:12,800 right now and they got zero points? 1796 01:29:12,900 --> 01:29:15,800 At a Miller cop and they got two points out of Parker Stewart. 1797 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:20,600 And yet they won largely because Rob finis E and Xavier Johnson 1798 01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,400 played out of their minds offensively and they got 24 1799 01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,600 minutes of really, like Rock Solid. 1800 01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:29,400 Post defense out of Michael dirr, which took Zach Ed out of 1801 01:29:29,407 --> 01:29:31,700 his element. He only scored 12 points in that 1802 01:29:31,700 --> 01:29:32,500 game. He wasn't even there. 1803 01:29:32,500 --> 01:29:35,500 Second leading scorer and Indiana came close against 1804 01:29:35,500 --> 01:29:39,300 Purdue at Mackey, you know, I mean, that was a close game. 1805 01:29:39,300 --> 01:29:42,000 That was a two-point game towards the tail end of the 1806 01:29:42,008 --> 01:29:45,300 season. So, you know, the what concerns 1807 01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:48,700 me is you don't have Michael dirr to, you know, be that big 1808 01:29:48,700 --> 01:29:50,300 post presence. I know. 1809 01:29:50,300 --> 01:29:52,100 It's like he's sick. That's so weird. 1810 01:29:52,100 --> 01:29:56,900 It's not it's so weird but it's like he was like it was like the 1811 01:29:56,900 --> 01:30:00,900 perfect like, you know, only break in case of emergency kind 1812 01:30:00,900 --> 01:30:04,800 of player situation and it that was like the emergency that they 1813 01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:06,900 needed to utilize. Now granted it was a totally 1814 01:30:06,900 --> 01:30:11,100 different set up in the game at Mackey but I do Wonder with this 1815 01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:15,200 IU teams propensity to be Called for fouls and with apparently 1816 01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:19,400 Purdue getting the immunity idol and not being called for any 1817 01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:23,000 fouls this season. I do wonder, how does that play 1818 01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:24,700 out? I think the matchup is actually 1819 01:30:24,700 --> 01:30:29,000 fairly straightforward and not a bad one for Indiana. 1820 01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,800 All told, I mean, you look at the way that the Purdue Indiana 1821 01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:35,600 Indiana matchup and you immediately notice that like 1822 01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:39,100 both of these teams are, you know, they're really good at 1823 01:30:39,100 --> 01:30:42,100 shooting the basketball. They really don't bother with 1824 01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:44,500 trying to force. The opponent into turnovers on 1825 01:30:44,500 --> 01:30:47,700 defense, you know, Purdue is obviously otherworldly at 1826 01:30:47,700 --> 01:30:53,200 offensive rebounding Indiana's, not bad at that and, you know, 1827 01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,700 essentially Indiana doesn't go to the free-throw line and 1828 01:30:55,700 --> 01:30:57,400 Purdue doesn't put you at the free-throw line. 1829 01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,800 So it's going to make for some interesting question, marks 1830 01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:01,900 Indiana's, a much better three-point shooting, team 1831 01:31:02,100 --> 01:31:04,200 produce a much better free throw shooting team. 1832 01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:08,200 And the big question is going to be the effect, exactly. 1833 01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:10,100 These just allowed to do whatever he wants. 1834 01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,200 I don't think Indiana's got much of a shot, but I don't think 1835 01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,900 anybody's got Much of a shot this season if Edie is allowed 1836 01:31:15,900 --> 01:31:19,200 to do whatever he wants. And on the flip side, it's like 1837 01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:22,200 well there's going to something's going to happen, 1838 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,700 either trace ux and Davis is going to get fouled, a bunch and 1839 01:31:24,700 --> 01:31:27,800 not have it called on the offensive end as he goes up for 1840 01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:29,700 shots, or it's going to be called. 1841 01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:31,400 And you're going to have Ed on the bench a bunch. 1842 01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,100 And that's going to make for a kind of a weird dynamic, 1843 01:31:34,100 --> 01:31:39,200 because, what's been set up so far by the Big Ten can't stand 1844 01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:42,100 in this game, I think. And so I'm really curious to see 1845 01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:44,200 how it is. Sneaking suspicion, how it's 1846 01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,200 actually going to get wrapped but I'm very curious to see how 1847 01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:48,500 that plays out knowing the big channels back. 1848 01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:49,900 It'll be a double tax to start the game. 1849 01:31:49,900 --> 01:31:52,500 Yes I got the the first 10 seconds so well you know, we 1850 01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:55,100 gotta, we gotta maintain order. So you know, let's just let's 1851 01:31:55,100 --> 01:31:57,500 yeah those everybody gets a tech to start the game, we're just 1852 01:31:57,500 --> 01:32:00,500 gonna shoot 12 free throws it up, jump ball double tax in the 1853 01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:03,000 30-minute review just to like look and see whether an elbow 1854 01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:06,800 thrown at the, the jump ball. I will ask you this. 1855 01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,800 Then let's end on this. If they beat, they have to beat 1856 01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,700 Maryland's. Maybe we say this for the Post 1857 01:32:11,700 --> 01:32:13,500 Maryland podcast where they beat Maryland. 1858 01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,000 As I've been saying, I think it's going to be like an 1859 01:32:16,300 --> 01:32:21,200 upper-level electric atmosphere. I can only think of like, to me 1860 01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,900 the best, the best, like, Circle the date. 1861 01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:26,900 This is going to be a great game atmosphere games. 1862 01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:29,400 We've had have been a two-year stretch. 1863 01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:33,000 It was that obviously Kentucky game 2012, the next year that 1864 01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,200 Michigan game was huge. Game day was there? 1865 01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,000 Those to me are the top two like I think I think other games you 1866 01:32:39,008 --> 01:32:41,400 can put in there is like the Duke game where Marco 1867 01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,600 Killingsworth went off. Like that was a Game we had two 1868 01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,600 against North Carolina last year's Purdue game, kind of grew 1869 01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:50,700 up there, but I think if we beat Maryland and Purdue comes in 1870 01:32:50,700 --> 01:32:53,500 number one, you have like, known quantities, and ET. 1871 01:32:53,500 --> 01:32:55,700 And some of the guys like you have Jackson Davis. 1872 01:32:55,700 --> 01:32:59,900 Like I think this could be up there with that Kentucky, 1873 01:32:59,900 --> 01:33:03,700 Michigan level of maybe the best pregame atmosphere and like pre 1874 01:33:03,700 --> 01:33:07,400 hype in the last 20 years in Bloomington. 1875 01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,500 All right great now I mean if I'm honestly even if Indiana 1876 01:33:11,500 --> 01:33:14,400 loses the Maryland Game. They're still going to be almost 1877 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:18,100 certainly ranked now probably be you know maybe 21st or something 1878 01:33:18,100 --> 01:33:22,000 like that but it'll be a ranked match up with Purdue almost 1879 01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,700 certainly number one depending on what happens later today. 1880 01:33:25,100 --> 01:33:31,400 And Indiana ranked in the top 25 and when you take like the hype, 1881 01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,500 that's gradually built around this team over the course of the 1882 01:33:34,500 --> 01:33:41,400 season and you take the way that Indiana has kind of, I think won 1883 01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:46,000 back the hearts and Lines of IU fans and you take Purdue fans 1884 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,800 who despite everybody talking about them all? 1885 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,800 Season are convinced that nobody's paying attention to 1886 01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:56,800 them, you know, that do that one next to your team, like the one, 1887 01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,700 yeah means like yeah. Yes. 1888 01:33:58,700 --> 01:34:01,600 I mean, you know, got you've got National Sports writers, like, 1889 01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,700 tripping over themselves, to praise your coach, and praise 1890 01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:07,800 your best player and B, nobody's talking about you, right? 1891 01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:12,700 So, just, you know, the complex just just raising up again, out 1892 01:34:12,700 --> 01:34:16,800 of That fan base is fascinating, but look a for p.m. game, you 1893 01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,800 know, so it's not a night game. It's just enough time. 1894 01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,300 Before the game starts, I do think that the atmosphere is 1895 01:34:22,300 --> 01:34:26,400 going to be absolutely Bonkers in Assembly Hall, regardless of 1896 01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,400 what happens on Tuesday. If they win on Tuesday, I think 1897 01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,100 it just ramps up to another level. 1898 01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:36,100 I mean, right now, on StubHub the lowest ticket price for that 1899 01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:39,200 game is three hundred and seventy four dollars as of right 1900 01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,600 now. And I'm guessing that those are 1901 01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:46,100 not in the lower level. So, you know, this is where it 1902 01:34:46,100 --> 01:34:47,700 is. One of those games, where, as 1903 01:34:47,700 --> 01:34:51,700 much as people, the new, the new like the Hipster thing to do is 1904 01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:54,700 talk about how Mackey arena is like the best environment in 1905 01:34:54,700 --> 01:34:58,000 college basketball. We hear this all the time and 1906 01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,000 it's a good environment that gets very loud in there, you 1907 01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,700 know, for a lot of those people that's the only time they ever 1908 01:35:02,700 --> 01:35:05,600 leave their houses and so you know, that it's a nice outlet 1909 01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:10,000 for them. But you know, Assembly Hall has 1910 01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,700 the reputation it has for a reason and Our buddy Jay hoary 1911 01:35:13,700 --> 01:35:17,900 was at the Ohio State game this past weekend, and he was texting 1912 01:35:17,900 --> 01:35:20,200 after it was like, it was a weird crowd because there was 1913 01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:24,100 just this kind of Aura of confidence, the whole game, the 1914 01:35:24,100 --> 01:35:28,100 one time, it got like blow the roof off the joint or have stuff 1915 01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:29,800 fall from the ceiling, I guess is the case. 1916 01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,500 Maybe was, when I you went on that 12:43, run at the end of 1917 01:35:33,500 --> 01:35:35,300 the first half and the rest of the time, it was just kind of 1918 01:35:35,300 --> 01:35:39,300 like this steady Vibe. You know Indiana has had that 1919 01:35:39,300 --> 01:35:41,300 that's how it used to be it. So I try to tell people like 1920 01:35:41,300 --> 01:35:44,900 that's how the arena used to Even when Indiana was a great in 1921 01:35:44,900 --> 01:35:47,300 the late 90's, that's what the standard was. 1922 01:35:47,300 --> 01:35:50,900 But it would get up for the home games against Purdue or the home 1923 01:35:50,900 --> 01:35:53,700 games against Michigan State or the home games against, you 1924 01:35:53,700 --> 01:35:55,600 know, some of the other best teams in the conference at the 1925 01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:57,900 time. That's what I would expect and 1926 01:35:57,900 --> 01:35:59,300 it'll be a tremendous environment. 1927 01:35:59,300 --> 01:36:01,400 I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out. 1928 01:36:01,500 --> 01:36:04,200 Yep, anyway, we got to wrap up, we went way over time. 1929 01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:08,300 Scott is always a pleasure. We will chat with you maybe 1930 01:36:08,300 --> 01:36:11,000 later this week. We'll see how things go my 1931 01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,500 thanks to all you folks for listening in as Always, if you 1932 01:36:13,508 --> 01:36:17,500 made it through all 96 Minutes of this podcast, there's a prize 1933 01:36:17,500 --> 01:36:19,100 at the end. I'm not sure what it is though. 1934 01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,700 Thanks for our folks over at the back home network and thanks to 1935 01:36:22,708 --> 01:36:24,100 our presenting sponsor home-field apparel. 1936 01:36:24,100 --> 01:36:26,700 Be sure to tune into the women's basketball podcast with Amanda 1937 01:36:26,700 --> 01:36:29,900 Foster on Tuesdays here on Crimson cast and tune in later 1938 01:36:29,900 --> 01:36:31,300 on. As we bring you more, I you 1939 01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,600 coverage catching folks in the flip side, bring back the Bison. 1940 01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:35,300 So long everybody.