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A time as any apps to talk about 45 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:26,900 what we witnessed and just our overall thoughts and feelings on 46 00:02:26,900 --> 00:02:28,200 things. So, yeah, I'm doing well. 47 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:34,400 Thank you. Yeah, so last night that was 48 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,400 rough, man. That's that was what the I think 49 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,900 the worst tournament loss, the 99 lost St. 50 00:02:40,900 --> 00:02:43,400 John's was also pretty bad. As I saw on the screen. 51 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,000 I would say the one positive coming out of it. 52 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,000 As I was watching with some friends and my wife as I'm like, 53 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,800 well, I think we made Shining Moment, it's going to be the 54 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,700 cheerleader, getting the basketball off the top of the 55 00:02:54,700 --> 00:02:57,800 backboard, but I think, I think we're going to be in One Shining 56 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,300 Moment this year. I think that's our main 57 00:02:59,300 --> 00:03:02,200 takeaway, right? Yeah, that seems to be 58 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,200 inevitable, you know, just just not for the reasons that one 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,900 might have hoped. But yeah, it was a rough one. 60 00:03:09,900 --> 00:03:15,900 Gosh, you think about the way that this team played on Tuesday 61 00:03:16,100 --> 00:03:21,200 against Wyoming and you know, there was a spark there that 62 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,400 we'd seen in the Big Ten tournament that made you think 63 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,500 well, hey, you know if they can deal with the travel issues and 64 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:30,800 if they can get their heads wrapped around this. 65 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Ares team, we had some questions about how good st. 66 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Mary's actually was. And it looked like Indiana, 67 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,900 might be able to come into the game and have a shot and I would 68 00:03:40,900 --> 00:03:43,400 say that through the first minutes or so. 69 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,200 Yeah, Indiana played pretty well. 70 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:49,600 And then the bottom just absolutely fell out of. 71 00:03:50,300 --> 00:03:56,700 It was one of those games just got away so quickly and you know 72 00:03:56,700 --> 00:03:58,900 it to some degree. You could point the finger at 73 00:03:58,900 --> 00:04:03,800 The Usual Suspects with The line change substitutions, kind of 74 00:04:04,100 --> 00:04:08,600 blunting, the momentum, but I just don't think this team had 75 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,800 much left in the tank. Not just physically, but like 76 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,500 mentally and emotionally like we do, when Mary's really started 77 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:17,500 to get into the swing of things on offense. 78 00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:20,700 I, you just couldn't figure out how to defend them. 79 00:04:21,100 --> 00:04:24,700 And, you know, I think there's a lot of reasons for that. 80 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,200 But when you combine that with the regular officer problems 81 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,800 this as those started to get exacerbated as well. 82 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:34,000 And you ended up with a situation that almost became 83 00:04:34,300 --> 00:04:37,700 like an unrecoverable scenario as quickly as halftime. 84 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:41,700 And I think everything about what happens during the rest of 85 00:04:41,707 --> 00:04:45,400 the game really bore that out. It's unfortunate because I think 86 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,300 everybody had talked themselves myself, included into this team, 87 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:51,500 having a little more left in the tank than they did. 88 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,800 But the reality was, what we saw out. 89 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,100 There was the absolute dying Embers. 90 00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,300 The fumes of the fuel that had fired this team for the last 91 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:03,300 month or so. So yeah, I mean at one point st. 92 00:05:03,300 --> 00:05:08,700 Mary's goes on a 34, 25 run to end of the first half to start 93 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:12,100 to basically 10 minutes into the second half and by then it's 67 94 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,900 to 35 and that's it. And yeah, I mean, I don't I'm 95 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:19,200 ready to kind of talk a little more big picture stuff because 96 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,400 it's, I don't want to dig into the game too much because the 97 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,500 numbers are bad. Everything, look, bad, but it, 98 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,200 you have to look at it within a context. 99 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,300 Like, if you just saw that it's like, man, they sucked. 100 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:32,900 It's like well, Everything went wrong. 101 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:36,600 Like I was telling my wife, like this was, this was a flawed 102 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,400 team. It's going to be remembered as 103 00:05:38,407 --> 00:05:41,400 like a flawed season in my mind. It's like this is where just 104 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,200 everything went wrong. But you have to look at those 105 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,400 travel factors that played into it. 106 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,300 Like, this is a team that was just looked like they were 107 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:52,300 tired, they were worn out and then they didn't even know, they 108 00:05:52,300 --> 00:05:54,400 couldn't flip the switch nor could they and again, it's not. 109 00:05:54,407 --> 00:05:58,200 You probably should be with a little closer and some of these 110 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,400 games. It's not a justification, but it 111 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,300 is a Factor that has to be brought up that like they were 112 00:06:03,300 --> 00:06:05,800 just given a incredibly tough deal. 113 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,500 And again if they don't want to be handed it, don't put yourself 114 00:06:08,500 --> 00:06:11,400 in a position where the n-c-double-a can kind of screw 115 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,600 you like that, but they were given a really tough travel 116 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,000 situation. They played a tough schedule, 117 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,800 you know, tough game, couple nights before against Wyoming. 118 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,100 It's just it everything. Conspired against them in. 119 00:06:22,108 --> 00:06:26,300 This was like the worst possible outcome on all if you had 10 120 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:28,800 different factors, like all of them like this is the worst one 121 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,900 you could possibly want. And you get what you saw 122 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:35,800 unfortunately, but hey at least least, Kentucky lost. 123 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,000 That was fun. Like 10 minutes later. 124 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,300 Well, yeah, not look. I mean, I don't think you can 125 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:46,600 uncouple the the larger issues that this IU team has had all 126 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,600 season from the result of the game. 127 00:06:50,700 --> 00:06:53,200 And, you know, Mike Woodson talked about this a little bit 128 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:59,100 in the postgame press conference about how the ultimately what 129 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:00,800 made his team look. So. 130 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:03,400 Good in the NCAA tournament, see me in the Big Ten tournament. 131 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,700 And even in that first game of the tournament was that they 132 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:09,200 were playing with a sense of urgency that you just didn't see 133 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,300 for a lot of the regular season, you know, because they knew 134 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:15,600 coming into the Big Ten tournament that they had to win 135 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,100 at least one as we found out two games in order to even get in 136 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:22,500 the field, then there in the playing game and to get into 137 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:26,000 like the final 64, they have to win that game. 138 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,500 I don't think that same sense of urgency was there in this game 139 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:34,200 and I Blame them because as you said very difficult turn around. 140 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,100 Not even necessarily the physical stuff, but just the 141 00:07:37,100 --> 00:07:42,600 reality that there's I mean, st. Mary's is a very specific style 142 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,800 of play that you have to Scout. And you know, Trace Jackson 143 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,000 Davis talked about this in the press conference, like the 144 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:51,900 defensively, they were not up to par in this game. 145 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:54,800 They were letting st.mary's drive by them. 146 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,000 They were, they were letting them do sexually, whatever they 147 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,400 wanted on offense. Once that initial ten minutes 148 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,300 who's gone through you. Started to see threes dropping 149 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,000 and Indiana just looked like they were not going to be able 150 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,900 to figure out the basics of playing the st. 151 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:13,800 Mary's team. You look at the overall game 152 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,800 scores, which we talked about on tormek. 153 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:21,000 And we talked just a couple of days ago about how they had 154 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,600 played like five or six of their best games of the Season here in 155 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,800 the last few weeks. That game last night. 156 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,500 Game score wise was tied for the Stole season with the Michigan 157 00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:35,000 game and there were a lot of similarities, the first Michigan 158 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,100 get, there were a lot of similarities where that was a 159 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:43,100 game that they got down early. Their defense fell apart, their 160 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:45,900 offense couldn't compensate at all, and they just essentially 161 00:08:45,900 --> 00:08:50,800 kind of lost the plot and you know, what's shocking to some 162 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,900 degree but also maybe not surprising at all. 163 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:57,800 Is if you line up Indiana's, offensive efficiency games. 164 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,700 That was the worst one that they played in the whole season. 165 00:09:00,900 --> 00:09:04,700 Last night, they scored Point 78 points per possession. 166 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:08,700 If you line up all of Indiana's defensive performances in terms 167 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:11,200 of defensive rating. That was their worst game. 168 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,500 Last night. They allowed over one point two 169 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:17,000 points per possession, which is actually worse than that first 170 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,300 Michigan game. So, you know, look, it's not 171 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:22,900 just the travel and fatigue. It's also the preparation, but 172 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:26,200 it's also when that sense of urgency leaves and this team 173 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,800 loses Focus, I think we've seen this as being a problem for them 174 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,200 all year. So I'm I'm not surprised. 175 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,300 I wasn't even that upset. Like I was, I was frustrated 176 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,800 watching the game until it just became clear. 177 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,400 Probably with about four minutes left in the first half that they 178 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,400 just, they just didn't have it. And, you know, you could make 179 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,100 arguments that. Hey, it's the NCAA tournament, 180 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:48,200 you can have it. But you're basically trying to 181 00:09:48,208 --> 00:09:50,000 squeeze blood out of a turnip that point. 182 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,500 Like, there's only so much in the reservoir, mentally, 183 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:57,300 emotionally physically and I just don't think that they had a 184 00:09:57,308 --> 00:10:00,600 chance against what we have to admit was not only a very good 185 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,700 singer. Team, but clearly a very 186 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:06,000 motivated one as well. No, I agree 100%. 187 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,300 I was not mad either. It's not fun game losing by 30, 188 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:11,700 but on the flip side, I understood it. 189 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:15,900 I got it. I wasn't mad, you know, in we 190 00:10:15,900 --> 00:10:19,000 never gave up a fight, like they still kept on going, but you 191 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,700 could just see. It's like they just didn't have 192 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:23,700 any more in the tank is a way coming out of halftime. 193 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:26,100 Like all right, you've got to if you're going to get back in 194 00:10:26,100 --> 00:10:28,600 this, you've got to basically go on like a 10-0, run to get back 195 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,800 here, but this is also again, kind of the flaws. 196 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,200 Cause of this, this year's team is, you know, some of those 197 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,900 creamy years, you could have a game or it's just like, you're 198 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:38,900 going to hit 12 threes and just like, wow. 199 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:41,100 Like, all right, and that, and that covers up a lot of 200 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:44,200 problems. This team doesn't do that. 201 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,400 I'm even in the even in the winds that we had against 202 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,700 Michigan, Illinois, you know, the great game at the end 203 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:51,300 against Purdue. It's like, it's a very specific 204 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:55,900 type of effort this team. You have to give it all all the 205 00:10:55,900 --> 00:11:00,300 time, every possession and that takes a lot of mental and 206 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:03,200 physical. Out of you and you're not going 207 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,600 to win by 15. You're not just gonna have a 208 00:11:04,608 --> 00:11:06,600 bunch of shots go down, think you've got to bust your ass 209 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,600 every single possession. You're gonna, you know, be up by 210 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,600 two and down by one like it's always going to be nip-and-tuck. 211 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,700 And I do think there was also just a, like, you said, a mental 212 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:17,200 fatigue. It's like you get down by 10 or 213 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,500 12. It's like you're thinking if 214 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:20,400 you're on the team, it's like shit. 215 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,700 We gotta, we gotta go double hard to get back, just to even 216 00:11:23,700 --> 00:11:26,500 and, you know, it's not going to happen by a flurry of Threes 217 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:28,700 because this team just even in the Wii games. 218 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:29,800 We've won. It hasn't happened. 219 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,500 So I think you know, that's yeah, that's kind of game. 220 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,200 That's the end of the game. In my mind last night, believe 221 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,900 it or not, was the fewest shots. Indiana made all year. 222 00:11:41,300 --> 00:11:46,100 They made 16 two pointers and two three-pointers and their 223 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:49,700 next lowest output in terms of shots. 224 00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:53,400 Made. They made 18 in that game at 225 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,600 Michigan State. I mean it is the offense just 226 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:00,800 wasn't there and look Mike Woodson talked a lot. 227 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,700 The postgame press conference about. 228 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,800 But when he was asked, what is the team need to work on in the 229 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,100 offseason? One of the things that he 230 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:10,700 specifically mentioned was getting better at shooting and 231 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,500 you know, last night agreed. I agree. 232 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:18,600 I got diagnosed the problem there. 233 00:12:20,500 --> 00:12:25,500 Last night was interesting because this was, it was a, it 234 00:12:25,500 --> 00:12:31,200 was a great example of how a team that is dedicated to Taking 235 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,700 away, Trace Jackson Davis can really just derail this Indiana 236 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:40,800 team and I think that that's been such a problematic element 237 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,600 of IU basketball for so long because it's always been if I 238 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,200 could. We can stop Trace Jackson Davis 239 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:51,500 or if we can stop Juwan Morgan or we can stop Romeo Langford, 240 00:12:51,700 --> 00:12:57,100 we can stop Indiana and you know, you what made the last few 241 00:12:57,100 --> 00:13:00,300 games before this special, I think was that people were able 242 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:03,200 to step up. Up and contribute and help. 243 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,900 Take some of the pressure off of Trace Jackson Davis, but a lot 244 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:09,600 of the problems that you had with this team during February, 245 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,500 that led to so many losses really came because nobody was 246 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:18,500 able to step up and guys, whose job it is to score to stretch 247 00:13:18,500 --> 00:13:21,000 the defense. Just, you know, weren't 248 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,200 contributing. And I think that everybody knew 249 00:13:25,700 --> 00:13:29,100 that once you got about halfway through the Big Ten season that 250 00:13:29,100 --> 00:13:35,100 this was a flawed team, That didn't have the offensive 251 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:40,500 ability to do what needed to be done to win these types of 252 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:43,400 games, where you have a dedicated opponent, that's got a 253 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,300 good sense of what to do with you. 254 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:47,800 And so look, there's going to be a lot of work that has to be 255 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,600 done as a result of it. I don't think we learned 256 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,200 anything new about Indiana in the loss last night. 257 00:13:52,300 --> 00:13:56,500 It's unfortunate to me that they lost by as much as they did. 258 00:13:56,700 --> 00:14:00,500 Because, you know, I think if if Indiana loses that game last 259 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:03,500 night, Six or seven points. Then everybody's like, well, 260 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:06,300 that sucks. But you know, hey was a good 261 00:14:06,300 --> 00:14:08,800 season and they gave a game effort and it was quite a bit to 262 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,400 get to this point. You know, there were a lot of 263 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,900 people even saying that even with the margin of loss that 264 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:18,200 Indiana had but losing by essentially 30 points. 265 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,500 That that really does complicate The Narrative for some people. 266 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:24,700 I think because all they're going to be able to focus on is 267 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:28,600 that Indiana lost by the worst margin in their history in the 268 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:34,200 NCAA tournament. And you know, look it is what it 269 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:39,800 is, but I don't know that the actual outcome and what we took 270 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,500 out of it, in terms of where the programs that would have been 271 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:46,100 different if they lost by six versus losing by the 29 that 272 00:14:46,100 --> 00:14:48,500 they did. Yeah, I mean it kind of is like 273 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:51,300 your car ran out of gas whether you're ten miles from the gas 274 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:53,300 station or two miles. Like that's kind of what 275 00:14:53,300 --> 00:14:54,700 happened. Look at this. 276 00:14:54,700 --> 00:14:57,000 This team just ran out and they just they happen to run out 10 277 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,700 miles away from the gas station. If you don't mind, I'll go a 278 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:03,200 little bigger picture. Sure you do. 279 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,900 It's been interesting. The one thing I will say that I 280 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:11,400 called as Kentucky was losing, which was awesome like to flip. 281 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,300 We actually flip downstairs. We have a main TV, you know, 282 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:16,400 projection and then a TV on the side. 283 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,100 We Five minutes to go, I flip the games because like, all 284 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:22,300 right, I you can go side screen, but I want to see Kentucky lose 285 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:24,700 and I will say I called it when when Kentucky's losing. 286 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:27,400 I was telling my friends, like there will be people like 287 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,800 legitimately who are calling for Calipari to be fired in the 288 00:15:29,808 --> 00:15:31,900 Kentucky fan base and I'm already seeing tweets about it. 289 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:36,500 It's awesome. Anyway, but you know using that 290 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:39,600 larger kind of Twitter narrative that there was kind of to bigger 291 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,900 picture things that were happening. 292 00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:42,400 A bit of a scarecrow argument here. 293 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,100 But some people were, you know, say is a great season, you know, 294 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:47,700 fantastic. And I think Got maybe a little 295 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:49,400 bit too positive on the flip side. 296 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,800 I saw a couple people on Twitter being like, you know, you know, 297 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:55,000 the play-in game isn't where we should be and then getting you 298 00:15:55,008 --> 00:15:58,400 know destroying the first rally. This is not a successful season 299 00:15:58,500 --> 00:16:00,400 things have to change. It's like, all right, that's 300 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,400 also to - like I again look at it. 301 00:16:03,408 --> 00:16:07,100 Like it's a flawed team. It was a flawed season, but you 302 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:09,200 know the goal at the beginning of the year was making the 303 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,100 tournament you made the tournament. 304 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:14,200 The beginning of this weekend. I said if we could, you know, 305 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,300 win, you know, we win, Wyoming and we Beat st. 306 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:19,800 Mary's to me. That's a fabulous March. 307 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,400 We didn't quite get there, but we got halfway there and that's 308 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,700 not awful and I'm not trying to be too positive, but I think his 309 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:27,100 fans it. I'm happy. 310 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:30,300 We're doing this the day after a little bit of reflection. 311 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,700 I don't want people to get to polarized one way the other. 312 00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:36,200 Like it's not too positive. Like yeah, it wasn't great. 313 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,900 We have a lot of work to do, but on the flip side, you know, we 314 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:41,900 kind of met the expectations this year, which is something, 315 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,400 you know, that was always the problem under Archie, as we were 316 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,200 always just right below it. Meditations of where they needed 317 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,200 to be. Like this was an uneven season, 318 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,300 but it was uneven team, you can fix that, but you made the 319 00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:58,100 tournament and you you you want a game in the tournament and a 320 00:16:58,100 --> 00:17:01,300 lot of reasons like you said, you can't uncouple kind of the 321 00:17:01,300 --> 00:17:04,000 timeline and the travel in the second loss. 322 00:17:05,300 --> 00:17:08,300 So I know that that's how I will kind of remember this season, 323 00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:11,500 but those are about my larger, big picture takes, and then kind 324 00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:14,300 of reacting to some people, you know, seeing it on Twitter. 325 00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:18,200 What are your thoughts? I mean, look, it was 326 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:23,099 unquestionably a step forward for a program that desperately 327 00:17:23,099 --> 00:17:26,000 needed any kind of forward momentum. 328 00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:30,000 And look at, you know, Woodson made a big point in the press 329 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,600 conference afterwards about You got to give you guys a taste of 330 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,400 the NCAA tournament. So they know what it feels like 331 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,300 and I do think that that is absolutely true. 332 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,800 You do, you know, you wonder is the trajectory of I use program 333 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,300 different though. If I you does make the 334 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:52,600 tournament in 2020, you know, or do they still go out and lose 335 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,200 all the games that they lost in 2021? 336 00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:58,200 I don't know. I mean, I think if Indiana makes 337 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,500 the field in the covid year, I don't know that the group of 338 00:18:02,900 --> 00:18:07,100 Years that have been assembled would have necessarily had much 339 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:11,500 of a different outcome in 2021 and we all know the 2021 while 340 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:13,800 it was a weird year. Was also just very unacceptable 341 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,400 year in terms of the way that the program was and then how 342 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:22,400 they played in the games. You know, I think ultimately as 343 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,000 much as the tournament experience was important and as 344 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,200 much as this season was important for getting some 345 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,700 identity attached to the program that was sustainable and that 346 00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:35,100 identity being I think on defense That's the reality is. 347 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:41,800 I think most observers of IU basketball realized that this is 348 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,800 still a very limited roster. It's it's a roster that has to 349 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,700 be upgraded from a talent perspective particularly in 350 00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:53,400 terms of offensive talent, but also in terms of Edge and 351 00:18:53,400 --> 00:19:00,700 motivation and focus and drive. And that that's a piece that 352 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:03,800 Woodson has not addressed yet. And I think the jury is still 353 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,400 out as to whether he will be able. 354 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,000 Able to address it. Obviously the recruits that are 355 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,500 coming in this next year. A lot of people are excited by 356 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:15,200 but people have been excited by recruits coming in IU every 357 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,100 year. Yeah, you know, so the, you 358 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:19,900 know, it's kind of like you have to wait till the rubber hits the 359 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:23,700 road and see how guys actually are going to perform what they 360 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:28,500 do and how they conduct themselves in terms of being 361 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:31,800 ready to play night after night, you know, what was so 362 00:19:32,300 --> 00:19:36,600 frustrating about January and February Worried for this team 363 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,900 was that they played that Purdue game and it almost felt like 364 00:19:39,900 --> 00:19:43,300 the, you know, the team felt like they won something more 365 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:46,000 than just a game and it was an important game. 366 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:49,800 But they really, really felt like after that game. 367 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,700 They took their foot off the gas in a major way, and really 368 00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:57,000 didn't put it back on the gas until the set of the last 10 369 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,800 minutes of the Michigan game in the NCO, the Big Ten tournament 370 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,800 and then we saw a team that everybody wanted to root for and 371 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,400 everybody could get excited for And you know what happened in 372 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,500 the st. Mary's game is kind of 373 00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:12,500 notwithstanding that, you can certainly look at that from a 374 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:16,100 coaching perspective and it is, but it's also a who is playing 375 00:20:16,300 --> 00:20:21,500 and what are they doing. And that to me, is ultimately 376 00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:24,400 going to be the big question are covering over this offseason. 377 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,500 Not just because it's very difficult to restock or to it. 378 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:30,200 Maybe not restock with just stock the roster with the right 379 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:36,600 types of players, but also, it's very difficult to To get your 380 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,300 head wrapped around, even who's going to be on the roster next 381 00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:42,400 year. So, you know, the with the 382 00:20:42,408 --> 00:20:46,400 transfer portal with the potential of one or two guys 383 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:51,700 leaving for professional basketball with recruits coming 384 00:20:51,700 --> 00:20:55,700 in, you know, this is not like maybe five or six years ago, 385 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:58,000 Scott where we could sit there at the end of the season and 386 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,100 say, well, you know, very likely. 387 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:02,300 We're going to have this core of players coming in and they're 388 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:04,800 going to we're going to be able to rely on these guys to get 389 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:05,900 better. I don't You know who's going to 390 00:21:05,908 --> 00:21:07,900 be here next year and either to you. 391 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:12,500 And I think anybody who would project who's going to be on or 392 00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:14,800 not on the roster. It's pretty speculative at this 393 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,100 point. So that's the one confounding 394 00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:21,700 variable to me that I'm a little bit concerned about is it's not 395 00:21:21,700 --> 00:21:24,600 like this straight line thing where hey Indiana got 396 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:27,700 progressively maybe, you know, maybe you know, they got better 397 00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:29,800 on defense. They got a little bit better in 398 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,600 terms of finally understanding what they need to be doing. 399 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:38,000 You know, the the Flip side issue, I guess that I am 400 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,100 concerned about. Is this idea that I you we don't 401 00:21:43,100 --> 00:21:45,500 know who's going to be there? We don't know how the pieces are 402 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:47,500 going to fit together as much as this year. 403 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:51,100 Was a year where I called it. Like I was just a mismatched 404 00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:52,800 roster. It was an incomplete roster. 405 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,600 I don't know if the roster is any more complete next year 406 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,400 because we don't know what kind of nucleus They're bringing 407 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,400 back. So I do worry a little bit that 408 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,600 the games I you had this year. It's not going to matter as much 409 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,400 of a bunch of those people leave. 410 00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:07,500 And now you got to start all over again with the fresh group 411 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:09,500 of people. And it looks not just Indiana 412 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:13,300 that faces the It's a lot of other programs, but I do worry 413 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:16,000 about where we're at with all of that at this point. 414 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,700 You know, I think that's a couple of great points there. 415 00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:22,000 Like I you are right. It did feel like after Purdue. 416 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,900 They took the foot off the gas and then it's like they came 417 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:28,500 back at the end and like those that Michigan second half, 418 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:31,700 Illinois, Iowa Wyoming Game. It's like, that's a, that was a 419 00:22:31,708 --> 00:22:34,100 fun team to root for. I think that's what kind of was 420 00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:37,000 missed the season as like, I, I wish you would have had that fun 421 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,100 team to root for all year, as opposed just a couple of weeks. 422 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,900 Weeks or gosh, a week and a half. 423 00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:43,300 But no, you're right. It. 424 00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:46,600 I've joked a lot. Like, I keep up with college 425 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,400 basketball. I have a podcast about it. 426 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:51,200 I don't know where anybody stands on their eligibility or 427 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,100 their transfer. I assume everyone's got an extra 428 00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:56,200 year and everybody can transfer. Like I just I'm assuming I 429 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,600 really don't know. I mean, I do know that you are 430 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,800 100%, right? Like, we're in a weird spot 431 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,000 because it's not the time now to get into, like, roster, 432 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,600 prognostications who's going to stay who's going to go. 433 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,700 But you're right in that, like, this isn't like The year we lost 434 00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:14,500 a Kentucky in the sweet 16 with the, you know, the Zeller 435 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:16,000 Oladipo year, where I was thinking. 436 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,300 God, if this team stays together, this is a top ranked 437 00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:21,200 team next year, because all the pieces are there. 438 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,300 We just need to get a little better around the edges. 439 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,200 We're in a spot where it's like, you know, we don't have any 440 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,900 seniors on this team. If you just said, and I know 441 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:30,900 everybody can't come back because you have three incoming 442 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:32,700 freshmen. Let's like let's pretend a game 443 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:34,300 that three guys are willing to give up their scholarships. 444 00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:38,400 Like even if everybody comes back, I don't know, like this 445 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,600 still is an incomplete T. So it's like, I don't, I don't 446 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,200 want everybody back because we need to improve in some areas. 447 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,400 But then to your point, if we take some pieces out and, and 448 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,900 then it's like, are we losing now? 449 00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:51,400 We're losing, something was good here. 450 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,300 Like if we add other pieces, like, it's weird and odd spot. 451 00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:57,600 Where, I don't think bring everybody back, is the right 452 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,000 answer. I think some guys are going to 453 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,200 leave based on wanting to transfer, wanted to go 454 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,500 professional but it's like we can't bring everybody back 455 00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:08,200 because we'd still be primarily in Wait, but if we start adding 456 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,600 New pieces, are those pieces going to work? 457 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,900 Because you're right. This is always been. 458 00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:13,600 My thing is like every offseason. 459 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,900 I find it kind of comical where it's like, no. 460 00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:18,600 No, this is the year that this transfer is good. 461 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,600 Like this is the transfer. Like this is the transfer. 462 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,200 It's like, all right, every year we say that's like a no, this is 463 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,000 the Freshman. I do know. 464 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,200 These guys are going to bring it and they're going to be the 465 00:24:26,208 --> 00:24:29,000 Freshman to take over the team as a guy like everyone needs to 466 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,600 pump the brakes, but we'll get there. 467 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,100 You'll be you. People will be saying that come 468 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,200 July, August September. Just wait. 469 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,000 Well, look, it means going to be it's Going to be an interesting 470 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,600 offseason. I with the last thing I'll say 471 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,800 is like you're you're going to have lower expectations against, 472 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,100 you're going to the positive is you're going to be able to kind 473 00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:48,900 of out kick your coverage. So to speak because I don't see 474 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:52,300 this team being picked in the top, six of the Big Ten based on 475 00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:54,400 just what you're going to see kind of roster wise. 476 00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:59,200 I mean so much is in flux. It's hard to say, you know, you 477 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,800 just you just don't know and because I use not the only team 478 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,700 facing those issues. There's going to be many other 479 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:07,000 teams in the conference facing those. 480 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:13,400 Shoes as well. I will say that this offseason 481 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,700 will be different than last offseason because you've got 482 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,100 now, the coaching staff in place, you know, they didn't 483 00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:23,400 have the full coaching staff in place last year until what 484 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,900 mid-may or something like that. It was felt late. 485 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:30,700 Maybe it wasn't quite that late. But I think it was, you know, 486 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:33,300 Woodson as he talked about before. 487 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,700 And after this game spent a lot of time. 488 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:39,100 Just trying to get guys to Come back, and we know nobody knew 489 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:41,300 what the roster was going to be at least among the guys coming 490 00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:45,100 back until pretty late in the game. 491 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,100 I think will be a clear sense of that going into this offseason. 492 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:52,300 So I do think that will help. And look, I don't think that you 493 00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:55,600 can help. But me, really excited by how 494 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,100 Jordan Geronimo played over the last couple of weeks and not, 495 00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:03,400 you know, look at him and say, wow, that's a guy that looks 496 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,000 like he's ready, not just to contribute, but maybe step into 497 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,300 a starting role. You can look at a guy like Tamar 498 00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:13,400 Bates who ended up playing 16 minutes, which was by far, you 499 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000 know, as many minutes as we've seen in play in a while, in that 500 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,200 game against st. Mary's yesterday and say, okay. 501 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,300 I'm starting to see some things. He really needs a full offseason 502 00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:23,400 of figuring out his offensive game. 503 00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:26,400 If Xavier Johnson's back, you've got a point guard who has a lot 504 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,300 of experience and then you kind of fill in the pieces from there 505 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:34,500 and you just you hope that you're able to find some people 506 00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:37,000 that can contribute and combine them. 507 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:39,100 With people that can come in and contribute it even higher 508 00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:42,400 levels. And so a lot of the offseason I 509 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,000 think now is going to be about going back and looking and 510 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,900 figuring out. Okay. 511 00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:50,700 What went right, what went wrong and what does everybody need to 512 00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:54,800 work on throughout the offseason and then realizing that who 513 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,400 there's not going to be a coaching change. 514 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,800 There's not going to be a shift in philosophy. 515 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:06,700 This is now the new identity and I think that's there's some 516 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:08,200 optimism. And they can be drawn from that. 517 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,400 It's just a really at this point. 518 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,400 A matter of, okay, as we watch this process unfold, what is IU 519 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,100 able to do in terms of getting its players on the same page 520 00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:21,100 with each other more than what we saw throughout most of the 521 00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:24,800 season and what are they able to do about getting the energy and 522 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,500 effort levels up for the entirety of the Season? 523 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,800 Rather than just when it absolutely matters, you know, 524 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,600 it's not just let's play hard at home against Purdue or let's 525 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,700 play hard when we're in the Big Ten. 526 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,600 Tournament have to win a couple of Of games. 527 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,000 It's like, where is that when you're playing, you know, in the 528 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,700 middle of February and things are starting to drift a little 529 00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:46,200 bit. Like, do you know, those are the 530 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,600 kinds of things that with this IU team? 531 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:54,000 They just have to figure out. The what makes this program tick 532 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,500 and where is the, where's the motivation? 533 00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:59,700 Level coming from? And how, how do they perceive 534 00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:03,100 themselves within the game of basketball? 535 00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:08,200 And I just, I feel like for so long now, IU basketball has 536 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:13,300 taken almost like a secondary stance, you know, you just you 537 00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:15,600 clearly know that there are Elite teams in college 538 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,500 basketball and I use and one of them, they're just another 539 00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:20,700 program and that's really ultimately. 540 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:22,400 The mentality that has the change. 541 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,400 I think a small step got taken this year. 542 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,900 Now. It's a matter of. 543 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:29,800 You know, I would rather guys left and you had a less 544 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,500 experienced roster, even then he had this year. 545 00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:38,300 If it meant bringing in guys who are able to better, not just 546 00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:42,400 subscribe to that mentality that we're talking about but also 547 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,900 execute that mentality, you know, there has to be an 548 00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:49,100 increase in both Talent level and mentality. 549 00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:50,800 And I think that that's going to be the big interesting. 550 00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:53,600 Thing to watch in the big challenge for Mike. 551 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,600 Woodson and his staff. Moving forward, you 100% agree 552 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,800 with you on Geronimo. You hope he can lead that off. 553 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,400 I will say this and I've been guilty of this as well. 554 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,700 So I blame myself. But I've heard a lot of people 555 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,300 when things were going rough kind of be like, hey man, Mike 556 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:10,800 which has been here a year. Like you've been here a year, 557 00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:12,800 you know, when things are getting rough at the end of the 558 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,600 year, but I would say like, it's your point like he got hired in 559 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,400 the early April. He didn't fill out his staff 560 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,900 until Aimer, he's then trying to re-recruit the team. 561 00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:28,000 Look at the transfer portal, you know, going from the MBA to 562 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,500 college is different like putting together a staff, 563 00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:33,300 understanding what he has to do with IU, you know, getting his 564 00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:35,600 401k set up like there's just a lot of you'll get, make sure 565 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,600 he's on the insurance plan. Like there's a lot of stuff you 566 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,300 got to do. It's like next thing, you know, 567 00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:42,300 it's like May June July and then all of a sudden, it's like, hey, 568 00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:44,000 it's August. My guys are on campus and now 569 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,700 it's like you can't do offseason workout stuff and he doesn't 570 00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:50,000 know kind of what guys need to really do to get better. 571 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,700 This. Be an offseason where we see, 572 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,900 you know, this is what I'm going to be hoping to see is that we 573 00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:59,300 really see Improvement in guys to you know, play guys like a 574 00:29:59,308 --> 00:30:02,300 Geronimo can take this and then now would sit in the staff have 575 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:05,600 had a full year and now they have the luxury of some time to 576 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,000 put together an offseason plan of like hey Jordan, here are the 577 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,900 5 things you need to work on based on me having like been 578 00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:15,500 with you for 12 straight months where they just didn't have that 579 00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:17,600 last year. And you also had a guy who was 580 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,300 trying to learn just what it what encompasses being a 581 00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:21,300 college. Coach. 582 00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,300 So I think that's another real positive. 583 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:29,300 This offseason is, I think now we can unlock the knowledge that 584 00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:32,500 Woodson has haven't grown, you know, NBA players and just 585 00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,600 having a staff that has everything in order to, you 586 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,000 know, this is what this is. My coaching changes or so tough. 587 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,000 So I'm I'm excited for that and I agree with you, you know, 588 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,300 that's what we can look at to be positive but it's really tough 589 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:47,500 to look too far ahead to next. Season's we have no idea who's 590 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:50,800 here who's not? But you, this is at least the 591 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:55,300 Are the pieces here of turning this into a building block. 592 00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:57,000 Now? It's just a matter of this, this 593 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,300 coaching staff and the players to go out and execute. 594 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,600 Yeah, and look ultimately it's just not a foregone conclusion 595 00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:08,600 that this is going to go the direction that everybody hopes 596 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,600 it will. I think it's got a better chance 597 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,800 but not for all the reasons you just highlighted but it look the 598 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,400 enough positive things happened this season. 599 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,300 If you took the whole thing imbalance that you can't help 600 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:25,300 but say, even though there were a lot of irritating parts, and a 601 00:31:25,308 --> 00:31:28,600 lot of negative parts that occurred at various times. 602 00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:30,700 This season was more of a success. 603 00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:34,400 So that anything else and winning an NCAA Tournament game 604 00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:38,800 was a level of success that we just haven't seen. 605 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:44,100 And that's a very low bar. And I think that, you know, if 606 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:47,300 you're still of the mindset that Indiana basketball is in the 80s 607 00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:51,500 or early 90s, you're going to look at that and say, how have 608 00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:53,200 we lowered our standards so much? 609 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,100 And the fact is, we've lowered our standards because we haven't 610 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,600 succeeded, you know, the program has just not done the bear. 611 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,700 Our minimum needed to be viewed as a top-level program. 612 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,900 This was a sorry about the plan, you know for people who are like 613 00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:11,600 hey, that's so beneath us and so down. 614 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,100 I mean they're you know, imagine a world where we just get a 12 615 00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:18,900 seed and we lose the st. Mary's by 30, like take the 616 00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:21,000 Wyoming Game out of it. Like what if we just got it? 617 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,900 12C. We just got blow our doors blown 618 00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:25,500 off in the first round. I think everyone has a bit of a 619 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:29,200 different feel like I I'm gonna try and take the kind of flip 620 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,500 side. Positive approach. 621 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:31,900 I think the playing game was great. 622 00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:35,200 We got to play in the kind of a semi, you know, home venue a lot 623 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,000 of fans. Got to go experience. 624 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,400 The NCAA tournament experience in Dayton and we want a game. 625 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,300 So it's like, you can't take that away. 626 00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:46,200 We were part of the tournament. I think this was a net positive 627 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,100 and I'll see your point. We haven't been super successful 628 00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:51,900 program over 20 years. This is what a program like this 629 00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:55,500 needs is kind of a back door into the tournament, so to 630 00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:57,200 speak. But I think this is a way better 631 00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:59,100 way. Better turnout than if we had 632 00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:02,900 just played a first. Ground game and lost by 22 or 633 00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:04,300 something. Yeah. 634 00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:08,100 No, I mean, I think that's that's the case and ultimately 635 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,200 this has to be the beginning of something, not the not the 636 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,000 plateau. And that's the big question mark 637 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,600 and so, you know, all of those questions will get answered as 638 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:25,000 we move forward, you know, and I think as we reflect and kind of 639 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,600 marinate in the results and how everything goes it's there. 640 00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:33,300 There's just this clearly a lot that's gonna have to happen. 641 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:36,700 But I think yours there's a bunch of other programs that 642 00:33:36,708 --> 00:33:39,200 have been through a similar process and they all start with 643 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,800 something similar to what Indiana has done here where you 644 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,400 make the NCAA tournament as a low seed, maybe win a game, but 645 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,700 you have to build on it for the next season, and you have to 646 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:52,800 like, continue this cycle of getting people in, who can do 647 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,000 the things that you want to do. It's not always like what 648 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,600 happened with Indiana, a decade ago, where you go from not being 649 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:03,900 in the field to being a five seed and making the sweet 16. 650 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,300 This idea that there are a couple of intermediate steps to 651 00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:12,199 even get to that point is a more more true than not and happens 652 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,800 more often than not. But also be I think highlights 653 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:20,699 how far away from competitive. This IU basketball program, 654 00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:24,199 really was when Mike Woodson took over and time will tell if 655 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,800 he's the right guy to do it, but you can't help but look at this 656 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,500 results this season and say alright. 657 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,199 That was a step in the right direction. 658 00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:34,100 Yep. I totally agree. 659 00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:38,000 Any, any final thoughts on what you saw yesterday? 660 00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:40,900 Overall. I mean, I've already tried to 661 00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:42,400 erase a lot of it from my memory. 662 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,199 So, no, it's look, ultimately there. 663 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,600 Any other games you saw, like, I mean, you know, again, you want 664 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,100 well in Kentucky, Iowa looking for Big 10 calls, that weren't 665 00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:54,100 there. They say, there's a lot of calls 666 00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:55,900 that maybe should have been called, but yeah. 667 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:57,100 Yeah. Well, that's the thing. 668 00:34:57,100 --> 00:35:00,100 I mean, I don't have any sympathy for Iowa at all. 669 00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:04,500 I just don't, I mean, that was a, that was a team that team 670 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:07,900 shouldn't have. You know, I was joking about 671 00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:12,800 Bohannon consistently losing your consistently missing shots 672 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,300 in the games after that shot that he had against Indiana. 673 00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:16,900 So I don't really have a whole lot of sympathy. 674 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:20,500 But no, I mean, you know, Iowa was a bad defensive team. 675 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,200 And I think one of the things that's been interesting is, I 676 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,500 think with the exception of Kentucky, who was I think 25th 677 00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:31,800 coming in every higher-seeded team that lost Yesterday, how 678 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,600 did defensive rating on Ken Tom under 35, or something like 679 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:41,200 that, like or above 35? And that's kind of an 680 00:35:41,207 --> 00:35:43,600 inescapable reality. I'm really fascinated to see 681 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,700 what happens to Purdue because of all of the remaining High 682 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:49,500 seeds Purdue has by far the worst defense. 683 00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:51,900 And I don't think they're going to lose to Yale. 684 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,500 But I am really curious to see how all that plays out. 685 00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:58,200 I think they might have some real problems against Texas for 686 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600 instance, you know, as far as the rest of it, Kentucky loses. 687 00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,100 Saying, I mean, it's tremendous that was a really good Kentucky. 688 00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:06,900 Team from a numbers perspective, one of the best offenses in the 689 00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:10,400 country and to lose to a Saint Peter's program. 690 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,900 That is probably the worst program from a reputation and 691 00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:18,500 funding perspective in their conference. 692 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,500 I mean, you just don't see that that often is very reminiscent 693 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:26,600 of Duke, losing the Lehigh about a decade ago or whenever that 694 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,000 happened. And so, do you think that was we 695 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,300 had this discussion? Should like obviously the, the 696 00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:35,200 loss to Duke and, you know, the, the regional with the Laettner 697 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,100 shot like, that's a tough tough loss. 698 00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:40,600 But is this the worst loss for them in the tournament? 699 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,900 Like, I think this might be that guy they've never lost as a one 700 00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:45,000 or two. So to me, it smells are just 701 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,600 devastating losses if you lose the one or two if we're only 702 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,000 counting. Well, yeah, that's true. 703 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,300 Because I mean there's so few, you see, so if your team's 704 00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:57,100 losing at that seed level and look I Kentucky in my final 705 00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,800 four, so I think what what makes it more devastating than Than 706 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,800 anything for Kentucky is they had a gilded path to the final 707 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:12,600 four and they just lost and that game that game was wild because, 708 00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:16,300 you know, you look at this statistically speaking, Kentucky 709 00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:23,200 was, I think they as late as the four and a half minute, Mark of 710 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:29,200 the second half. They had a 97.1% chance of 711 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:34,500 winning the game. And even in overtime they had a 712 00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:37,900 like a ninety two and a half percent chance, you know, it was 713 00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:41,400 much as we bagged on Indiana all year for having these high win 714 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,100 percentage probabilities and then losing the game. 715 00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:47,900 I don't think Indiana had a single game that is going to 716 00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:51,400 look as bad statistically in a few years as Kentucky's will 717 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,200 when you go back and look at how many chances they had to put 718 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,900 away a pretty pedestrian, Saint Peter's Team all told and they 719 00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:01,900 just couldn't do it and Nothing's games to wherever you, 720 00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,900 and I have seen it for four years, you know, normally in 721 00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:09,000 those games if it goes to overtime doesn't happen. 722 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,400 Doesn't happen a lot, but you're like, all right. 723 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,100 Well, they say Peters, miss their shot. 724 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,700 It's like you had them on the mat. 725 00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:16,600 You needed a knockout blow. Like, now, is when Kentucky is 726 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,700 just gonna over athlete them and they didn't do it it. 727 00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:22,100 But I was like, damn, like they lost their shot to beat, 728 00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:24,900 Kentucky, because, like, normally those overtimes, don't 729 00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:27,400 go well for upsets. Yeah, the, well, look at 730 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,900 ultimately, I mean, Indiana lost and That is that's the headline. 731 00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:37,700 That's the main thing. But it would mean Kentucky 732 00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:39,500 losing Iowa, losing those routines. 733 00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:43,700 That had legitimate shots talent-wise Road wise to get to 734 00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:46,900 the final four and they both fell on their face and I think 735 00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:51,000 it just some degree. It does highlight how important 736 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,600 it is to keep in mind that this stuff is the stuff is difficult, 737 00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:58,400 and it is, you know, we've seen Indiana teams that were very 738 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,100 good lose unexpectedly earlier. In the tournament than than we 739 00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:05,700 thought that they would. So I do feel a little bit of 740 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:11,200 Sympathy For Those fan bases. But I also don't, you know, it's 741 00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:29,800 one of those deals where as the tournament goes, is defense and 742 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,900 defense. He's really going to carry the 743 00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:33,900 day. It's going to be a very weird 744 00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:35,600 bracket. By the time we get to the Sweet 745 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,900 16 or the elite eight. And so obviously this it was it 746 00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:42,500 was exciting to see Indiana back in the field and get a chance to 747 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:45,000 watch them be part of the madness. 748 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,300 And yes, they ended up exiting about 16 minutes into her game, 749 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,500 realistically speaking, but it was cool to have Indiana in the 750 00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:54,000 mix again, and I'm looking forward to hopefully, that being 751 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,300 something that is now a consistent thing as opposed to 752 00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:00,500 just a, you know, once every five or six years kind of thing. 753 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,800 Thing. No agree to my last thought in 754 00:40:02,808 --> 00:40:04,600 Kentucky is like seeing him lose was great. 755 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,900 But you have that realization like oh damn, like that was the 756 00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:10,300 2 seed in the Purdue bracket just like like why can't why 757 00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:13,500 can't they be another like why? Why did that also have to give? 758 00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:17,000 Purdue it easier? Path of the final four, but no, 759 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,700 I agree with you. It was fun yesterday. 760 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:21,300 You know, I've always had friends over Thursday Friday at 761 00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:23,700 my house for these first couple days. 762 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,400 I love it. And, but it was weird yesterday 763 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,400 being like, this is the first time in a while, you know, where 764 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,100 it's like, I'm nervous about my game or normally Like there to 765 00:40:31,107 --> 00:40:33,900 watch upset since like I just feel chaos is fine because who 766 00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:35,500 cares? But it was like, all right. 767 00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:37,900 We got a plan to get pizza. Like I got to be go get pizza 768 00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:41,300 6:30 because I got to be ready at set is just it was it was fun 769 00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:43,400 being part of. It was fun, seeing our logo when 770 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,400 they, you know, go to the CBS studio and you see all the logos 771 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,400 the teams up there. It's like there's I you like 772 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,000 we're in the mix and yeah, that was all fun. 773 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,700 And again, 23 years from now. This is not the way that I want 774 00:40:56,700 --> 00:41:00,200 to see our tournament experience happen, but this is the last 775 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,500 thing I would say, Say, is that he got to take steps and the 776 00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:06,100 first step is you make it and you win a game and maybe it's 777 00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:09,400 not the game you want to win but you do win a game and yeah you 778 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,900 exit not the way you want to but it's like you got to take steps 779 00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:15,400 and your first tip can't just be a final four run or a sweet 16 780 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,300 run or winning an upset. Like this was a tough path. 781 00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:22,100 A lot of things were not working in our favor and that ended but 782 00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:24,200 this was a first step. And this was a positive step. 783 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,400 And now let's build in the offseason and let's make it. 784 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,100 So this doesn't, you know, we don't have the same kind of 785 00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:33,800 experience next year. So yeah, I think that that about 786 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,300 covers it, we will be back throughout the offseason to talk 787 00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:41,000 about some things and then get geared up again for another year 788 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,000 of crimson, cast talking football and basketball as 789 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,800 always Scott a pleasure. And, as always, folks, a 790 00:41:47,808 --> 00:41:50,600 pleasure with you all here, listening. 791 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,800 And, yeah, we'll see what happens with the offseason and 792 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,600 look forward to talking with you again, in the future on things. 793 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,800 Tell us. What do you want to bring back? 794 00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:02,700 I'll let you finish off. What do I want to bring back? 795 00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:04,600 I'm sorry. You faded on me there for a 796 00:42:04,607 --> 00:42:05,000 second. Then. 797 00:42:05,008 --> 00:42:07,400 What do I bring back? The, what you got to do? 798 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,300 You want me to bring back the Bison? 799 00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:11,200 I thought you were hosting? That's your line here. 800 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,800 I know. I'm right. 801 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,900 There we go. Gales, bringing back. 802 00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:15,600 The Bison. I'm messing up my clothes anyway 803 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,500 for Galen, this is Scott messing up as always for Crimson, cast 804 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,200 signing off.