1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,200 You're listening to the back home network, presented by home 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:11,000 field. Apparel, 3 00:00:22,900 --> 00:00:25,200 welcome back to Crimson, Cask ale, and klaviyo, Scott 4 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,800 Caulfield Journey here. Once again, it is the last day 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,800 of August Scott word. It August go. 6 00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:37,500 Just absolutely vanish on us. We blinked and now it's time for 7 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:40,500 football season to start is Indiana back on the Gridiron 8 00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:42,800 coming up here in just a while depending on when you're 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,200 listening to this, maybe a day, maybe less than that. 10 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,100 If you waited and are listening to this while driving down to 11 00:00:48,100 --> 00:00:52,700 Bloomington, but the Hoosiers, back in action in football, it's 12 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:56,300 good to see you again Scott. You've got your 83 special 13 00:00:56,300 --> 00:00:59,800 home-field shirt on. I've got my Steve the Bison. 14 00:01:00,100 --> 00:01:05,500 HomeField shirt on life is good. Where may be optimistic a little 15 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:08,800 bit, just slightly about the start of the Season, maybe not. 16 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,700 But we're going to talk through, not just the upcoming game, but 17 00:01:12,700 --> 00:01:15,900 the whole schedule as we normally do in our last podcast, 18 00:01:15,900 --> 00:01:18,600 prior to the start of the Season, Scott, good to see you. 19 00:01:18,700 --> 00:01:20,900 How are you doing? It's time. 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,000 It is time to start this Odyssey of a weekly podcast talking 21 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,600 about IU football, to there's Dewey to weekly podcast. 22 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,900 That's who it's gonna be. E upstairs, gonna be downstairs. 23 00:01:31,900 --> 00:01:33,600 Gonna be downstairs. Going to be Downs. 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,200 No, we are excited. It's football, time. 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,800 I'm fired up to drive down Friday, night for the IU, 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,800 Illinois gaming. It's fun that we start games 27 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,500 with the Big Ten every single year. 28 00:01:44,500 --> 00:01:46,700 Be nice to maybe start one of these one of these years. 29 00:01:46,700 --> 00:01:48,600 We just get a nice, you know, Idaho first. 30 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,700 But it seems like the Big Ten wants to always schedule us on a 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,000 Big Ten game every single year. So I mean on the one hand, you 32 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,100 know, I complain a lot about college football, not having 33 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:03,400 anybody in charge. Judge and and you know how it 34 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,900 almost feels like the sport is popular in spite of itself, a 35 00:02:05,908 --> 00:02:11,600 lot of times but it I will say, if I was in charge I would 36 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,100 absolutely start the season with IU playing against a big 10 team 37 00:02:16,100 --> 00:02:18,900 and with big games where people would want it, not until 38 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:21,500 Illinois, Indiana does not qualify as a big-game. 39 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:24,800 Know, that's like that. Me, like the NFL starting off 40 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,700 the season with, like the Vikings vs, the bride cars or 41 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:32,300 the Well, maybe not that bad. I mean, it's, you know, but it's 42 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:37,000 still it's like, let's pick two like sub mid-table teams and 43 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 figure out a way to get them together on the first game of 44 00:02:39,008 --> 00:02:40,300 the season. I probably avoid that. 45 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:44,700 But, you know, I will say, you know, back in 2019, Indiana 46 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:48,300 started with games against Ball State and Eastern Illinois. 47 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,900 That was a nice soft start to the year, they have three 48 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:56,800 non-conference games to start the season in 2018 and they want 49 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,400 all three of those. So maybe you're onto something 50 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,400 just from a Winds perspective. I don't know. 51 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,700 We're also streaming live on Twitch. 52 00:03:04,700 --> 00:03:07,300 We're not going to do this every time, but we are going to do it 53 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:10,900 sometimes actually, shy Town, jj-just shouted out, love that 54 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:13,800 you're on Twitch, thank you, we appreciate you watching. 55 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,800 We're going to try to put this on more on Twitch rather than on 56 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,800 Twitter because Twitter to stuff gets lost and I don't know I let 57 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,400 go it's time to spread our wings a little bit. 58 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,400 We've been doing Twitter for 12 years, let's get out and see 59 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,400 different neighborhoods for a little bit before we get started 60 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,500 just to remind Under that. 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But look, here's my ears. 80 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:32,600 A home-field plugs that I know we're we always have to struggle 81 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,300 that we talk about them, we've said it all before, I will say 82 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:40,000 this over the weekend we took we have the wire mesh closet and 83 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,300 our master closet. Took everything out, rip that 84 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:45,500 out. Got the alpha system from clot 85 00:04:45,500 --> 00:04:48,500 from a container store. I installed it super easy to do 86 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,500 but I think there's a moment yet. 87 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:52,900 Take a look in the mirror, taking all of my hooded 88 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:55,500 sweatshirts out and it's like I have a lot. 89 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,800 I got a lot, the greatest compliment that I can give 90 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:03,800 HomeField apparel is that every single one of them made it back 91 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,700 in like I was very like, I have three bags full of stuff going 92 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:11,700 to Goodwill, I got a lot of good soldiers, got got left behind, 93 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:15,200 but I will say that none my Tulane sweatshirt, my rice 94 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,700 sweatshirt, my beloved Marshall sweatshirt, my to bison, 95 00:05:18,700 --> 00:05:21,900 sweatshirts, my Indiana oatmeal, they all made it back into the 96 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:23,900 new closet. They're loving the new digs, not 97 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:27,200 a single home field. Apparel item was injured in my 98 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,400 closet move. I mean, Ralph Lauren. 99 00:05:29,900 --> 00:05:33,700 Got booted, you know, Old Navy got booted, her postel got 100 00:05:33,700 --> 00:05:37,100 booted structure, got booted? Yeah. 101 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:39,600 Scott he doesn't tell you this, but Scott doesn't clean out his 102 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,700 closet since 1999, you know. So there's there's, it's been a 103 00:05:42,707 --> 00:05:43,600 while. Yeah. 104 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:46,700 Tommy Hilfiger cross Colours. Yeah, they're all out. 105 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,300 But, no, it literally all the home-field hoodies are back in 106 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:52,400 and that's the highest praise that I can give say. 107 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,200 They made the Scott closet. 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It just it's How it goes. 119 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:33,200 So anyway, home field apparel.com, be sure to check 120 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,700 them out for the latest in stylings, get on their app, 121 00:06:36,700 --> 00:06:38,600 subscribe, get all their newsletter. 122 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,900 You'll get all that stuff early on and that's the way to go 123 00:06:41,900 --> 00:06:43,900 anyway. What we're going to do today, 124 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,600 we've talked with various people, Scott posted a very nice 125 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,500 podcast with Martha. The mop lady, which I have not 126 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:51,600 listened to yet, but I'm sure it's delightful. 127 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:55,100 I had a podcast earlier this week with Olivia Ray. 128 00:06:55,700 --> 00:06:58,700 We've got plenty to talk about still, we've got some leftover 129 00:06:58,700 --> 00:06:59,700 Twitter questions that we're going. 130 00:06:59,900 --> 00:07:04,300 To we have to do our normal thing that we do every year at 131 00:07:04,300 --> 00:07:07,300 this time and go through the schedule and give you are on the 132 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:11,000 record predictions. They are guaranteed to be 133 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,800 something you can reliably bet. Against last year, I picked nine 134 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,700 and three. The team went to and 10. 135 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:20,900 The previous year, I think I picked maybe actually. 136 00:07:20,900 --> 00:07:22,700 Those let the previous year I was actually right. 137 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:25,700 I think I said, six and two. They finished sixth in one, but 138 00:07:25,700 --> 00:07:28,900 most of the time, I am entirely Off the Mark Scott. 139 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,200 I don't remember what Your predictions are like, but I also 140 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:32,900 remember that you suck at this too. 141 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:37,100 So you know the 2020 I was under a Last Rose. 142 00:07:37,100 --> 00:07:39,400 I think I was predicting nine wins or something. 143 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:41,300 I definitely predicted a win in Iowa. 144 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,400 Last year if I've ever been good. 145 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,300 I sucked last year. The, the absolute inescapable, 146 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:51,200 gravity of the Triumph of Hope over expectations, is 147 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,500 essentially, the story of crimson cash trying to pick. 148 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,800 I you games so we will continue that streak. 149 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,500 I'm sure but let's talk overview. 150 00:07:59,900 --> 00:08:02,000 We've gotten through all of fall Camp. 151 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,300 We've, we've seen a lot of stories, and we've seen a lot of 152 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:08,300 people saying. We had to be optimistic about 153 00:08:08,300 --> 00:08:10,400 this team. There's a lot of things to like 154 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:12,900 and then you read the Indy star this morning. 155 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:17,900 And they've got Zach, Osterman and Dustin Dopey rack giving 156 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:20,500 their projections and I think they both pick four and eight 157 00:08:20,900 --> 00:08:23,100 and essentially said, like be ready. 158 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:25,400 There might be worse. Stuff that happens, you never 159 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,900 know. So, a lot of the experts, I 160 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:30,900 think now that they've actually She had to put their cards on 161 00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:33,799 the table of not been particularly sanguine about. 162 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:39,400 I use chances this year to do great things or maybe even good 163 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,200 things. What's your overall sentiment 164 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,799 before we get to the individual games? 165 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:46,000 Right now, Scott about this upcoming IU football season, 166 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,600 what's your temperature on things? 167 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:51,200 You mentioned your podcast, Olivia and there's some good 168 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,700 stuff in there but I want to hit on something. 169 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:54,600 You were talking about with the coach's eye. 170 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 I just want to let you know that you know, I have four tickets to 171 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,500 the game. To take my son but I have two 172 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:03,500 extra tickets. I'm not going to release my 173 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:05,300 depth chart of who I'm taking to the game. 174 00:09:06,100 --> 00:09:08,600 So I'm just letting you have Tom Allen wants to know that I'm not 175 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,100 going to let you know. I'm not gonna tell you which son 176 00:09:10,100 --> 00:09:13,500 either I have two sons. They're battling it out its 177 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:16,300 competition. We're not going to release which 178 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:18,800 son? No I think it's funny all the 179 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,800 key which which of you which of your son's transferred from an 180 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,400 SEC family. I'm curious what? 181 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,100 That's totally not answering your question but that's fine. 182 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:31,800 That's the Thing. This quarterback battle thing is 183 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,100 driving me nuts because either if you know base lacks your 184 00:09:36,100 --> 00:09:39,000 starter then you're just being cute because you don't want 185 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,700 Illinois off the scent. Like you haven't shown the 186 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:44,700 ability to like just focus on winning games as I said before, 187 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:50,200 if if it is really a battle then like we should be very concerned 188 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,200 and you know, I'm not sure how much this stuff does rollover 189 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,000 but like it's not a fantastic look. 190 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,600 If you're another SEC quarterback, who's like, hey I 191 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,200 might want to transfer to it. Anna, you know, the place where 192 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,700 I go and have to do a court, you know, battle out a walk-on to 193 00:10:04,700 --> 00:10:07,200 get a starter spot like that. Maybe I'll just go to Michigan 194 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,600 State. Like I, none of this is good. 195 00:10:10,900 --> 00:10:13,800 I'm very curious who's going to start out, you know, the under 196 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:19,100 Center on Friday night, you know, the overarching thought 197 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:21,700 that I will come back to as I've listened to all of this and it 198 00:10:21,700 --> 00:10:24,400 is, you know, people have tried to be positive. 199 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,800 I appreciate the positivity as you know, by listening to like 200 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,100 Zach and Dustin. Do their their podcast, trying 201 00:10:31,100 --> 00:10:33,200 to kind of look at the positive way to do this, you know, is 202 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,300 there a way you can be playing for a bowl, you know, into into 203 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:40,100 November whatnot? I come back to this, like we 204 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:42,600 talked about before, there's just so many question marks 205 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,600 across so many parts of the ball, but the thing that really 206 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,400 hasn't been mentioned in anything that I've listened to 207 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:53,100 that, I kind of come back to is, we always hit this in October 208 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:57,100 and November is, you know, quarterback play, which we've 209 00:10:57,100 --> 00:10:59,400 talked Ad nauseam about, but the other one that I feel like you 210 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,000 bring up Lat, I talked about and that we all kind of. 211 00:11:02,008 --> 00:11:04,500 Look at the end of the year is like, man, we're getting killed 212 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:07,300 on the line, you are lying, just, you know, can't protect 213 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:09,400 you, we don't have time. It's like it's not we have a 214 00:11:09,408 --> 00:11:11,200 quarterback issue, but the court doesn't have time. 215 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,900 It's like the RO line is just looking in depth compared to 216 00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:17,000 these bigger lines than injuries happen. 217 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,700 And then we talk about, you know, guys switching around and 218 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,700 that's thing that hasn't been talked about as if I'm always 219 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:27,000 question marks, the one coach who shown an inability to have a 220 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,600 successful offensive line is the same. 221 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:33,600 Inator, who's still there? And so the one area it's like I 222 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,000 can guarantee. I'm pretty sure we're not going 223 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,200 to have a great offensive line this year. 224 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:42,200 And that's something that every single year as we get deeper 225 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,300 into the season is always the thing that we look at is like 226 00:11:45,300 --> 00:11:48,100 man this is really what's separating us you know because 227 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:50,800 we don't have time to throw or not able to get you know, holes 228 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,700 open to run. And so the more I thought about 229 00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:56,600 it the more I look at that as like, we're not talking about it 230 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,000 maybe just because people want to try and focus on other things 231 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 and try to be able to Positive but I, you know, I think our 232 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,800 lime play, there's no history that shows that you're going to 233 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,100 get good line play Under the, you know, coaching staff that 234 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:12,000 you have. And so if we're going to have 235 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,500 the same, if not, you know, the same lamp. 236 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:16,000 Oh, we've had the last two or three years. 237 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,700 I'm not sure how any of the other pieces really matter 238 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:21,700 whether it's a culture of winning or a guys have, you 239 00:12:21,700 --> 00:12:24,100 know, they're not used to having you last season. 240 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:26,500 The aberration are used to winning, it's like, well, if the 241 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:29,600 line plays bad, we're going to have a struggle to be. 242 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:31,500 Good. And that always seems to be what 243 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:33,400 happens when you get in the meat of the Big Ten schedule. 244 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,800 So I don't mean to pick on just one thing, but it's something 245 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,200 that I've really been thinking about. 246 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,600 I have a hard time seeing a lot of W's when, when that's the 247 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,200 case, when you're surrounding that, with question marks all 248 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,600 over the place, I go on these long. 45-minute walks with my 249 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,500 dogs most days. It's my primary, it's good 250 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:54,500 cardio, it's easy on the joints and the dogs enjoy it. 251 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:57,200 So, you know, it really is serves a bunch of purposes, but 252 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,000 I've been going back and listening to some of our From 253 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,400 last year, not because I want to hear myself talk, but because I 254 00:13:02,500 --> 00:13:06,700 sorry, I want to get back into the mentality and also hear some 255 00:13:06,700 --> 00:13:10,500 things that I've forgotten about IU season last year, because 256 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:14,300 let's be honest, a lot of what happened with I use season kind 257 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:17,300 of it. Almost has gotten forgotten 258 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:22,900 because we've concentrated on the big picture items, and it's 259 00:13:22,900 --> 00:13:25,000 interesting because I was listening to the post Cincinnati 260 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,800 podcast. And first of all, we were 261 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,600 actually in a better mood after that podcast. 262 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:33,400 Cast then I remembered us being. We weren't like it wasn't like 263 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,100 happy action fun time or something like that or peanut 264 00:13:36,100 --> 00:13:38,100 butter jelly time, or whatever you want to call it, but it was, 265 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,700 it wasn't. We weren't like, we weren't 266 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:44,000 downtrodden, we didn't sound like we've been run over by a 267 00:13:44,008 --> 00:13:49,000 truck, you know, and a lot of the comments were well, this 268 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,000 team just not as good as we thought it was and there's 269 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,200 problems and it's interesting because listening to that 270 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,600 podcast dovetails exactly what you just restated, which is that 271 00:13:58,900 --> 00:14:01,400 that game And actually you go back and watch the game. 272 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,800 You'll see the same thing. The play calling wasn't that 273 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,900 bad, the execution was bad and it was you know some of it was 274 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,300 receivers dropping balls or Michael penix not being able to 275 00:14:11,300 --> 00:14:13,100 get the ball where it needed to be, but a lot of it was the 276 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:15,600 offensive line. A lot of it was not being able 277 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,600 to block and weirdly as much as that was a big picture story and 278 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,200 you know, go back and listen to your podcast that you did, you 279 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,800 know, with, with the pot, John punt folks earlier that was 280 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,600 something that they brought up at the time. 281 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:32,800 I'm it's something that was brought up by think it was 282 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,300 Danny. We're talking to in when the 283 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:39,800 podcast a couple of weeks ago. As much Focus was placed on the 284 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,900 fact that Darren Hiller and the offensive line have been 285 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:47,500 inadequate, it's fascinating that that was essentially 286 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:50,900 treated as a non-story throughout the course of this 287 00:14:50,900 --> 00:14:55,000 off season and into fall camp and it is inexplicable as 288 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,400 consistently pours. The offensive line has been over 289 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,900 the entire tenure of Tom Allen, How you don't make a change, 290 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:05,600 there is a lot of pressure specifically on that phase of 291 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,200 play for Indiana because it does it is essentially the glue that 292 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,000 either holds everything together or dissolves and causes 293 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,600 everything to fall apart series by series throughout the course 294 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,000 of the year and it was the most consistent problem for the first 295 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,800 half of last season before the lack of a competent quarterback, 296 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,700 became the problem for the second half for the last third 297 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:28,700 of the season. So, I'm with you on that. 298 00:15:28,700 --> 00:15:31,800 And I do think that That I'm actually a little disappointed 299 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,200 that it more of a bigger deal. Wasn't made of it. 300 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,000 Now it's water under the bridge, whatever. 301 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,600 And certainly you always see a lot of positive stories focusing 302 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,900 specifically on will gosh. This walk-on wide receiver who 303 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:46,000 came out of nowhere now. Looks like he might start or hey 304 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,100 this linebacker is really tackling hard or hey this former 305 00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:52,200 quarterback is looking really good at wide receiver. 306 00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:55,800 Like you always get those kinds of stories with fall ball and 307 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,200 with the lead up to a season and I get that but I just Have to 308 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,600 wonder in a program that got a lot more scrutiny. 309 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:08,900 How you know, would this have been a story every single day of 310 00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:12,200 that, there was a press conference and what will it be 311 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,500 covered as if I, you continues to struggle on the offensive 312 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:17,500 line. That that really does end up 313 00:16:17,500 --> 00:16:19,800 being a big question. Now, if the offensive line comes 314 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,500 out and blocks adequately and gives the quarterback, whoever 315 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:25,800 it is, I think it's going to be kind of Basel II, but whoever it 316 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,900 is time to throw. If it gives running backs holes, 317 00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:31,200 where they can actually he gained a decent amount of 318 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,500 yardage and move the ball. Well okay, then then perhaps 319 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,600 there were internal lessons being learned that are going to 320 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,100 result in something more, positive moving forward. 321 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,500 What else anything else? Stick out to you. 322 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:48,900 As far as like your overall feelings about this team? 323 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:51,900 Is there anything you feel better about now versus how you 324 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:54,600 felt when we started picking this whole topic of football 325 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,700 back up in Late July? Anything I feel better about, I 326 00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:03,600 mean, II will say, you know, I hit on this a little bit with 327 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,300 with Martha that you know, when you go back and look at some of 328 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:11,599 the nice streaks and Tom Allen's, you know, the 2020 329 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:16,500 season the 2019 season, you know, Alan has shown, and I 330 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:18,800 don't want to rehash where I talked to two. 331 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,200 I've mentioned a couple different times. 332 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,300 I talk to Martha about that, you know? 333 00:17:22,300 --> 00:17:25,200 I really think a change happened after that. 334 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,100 Wisconsin game we Take the New Year's Day six, Tom Allen got 335 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:31,400 pissed which is the Big Ten off our logo, but he coach from a 336 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,800 place of anger and it didn't work and something changed. 337 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,400 I mean, it's I'm not saying it's just one thing that happened but 338 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:42,000 you know where Tom Allen has been successful as coaching from 339 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,900 a place of love. And I know it seems cheesy, but 340 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:46,300 it's also team that has Elio written on everything. 341 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:49,000 So it's, you know, it's I'm taking a cue from from coach 342 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,600 here, but when he coaches with that passion for a positive 343 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,700 place, we do really well. You saw it in 2020, they wanted 344 00:17:55,700 --> 00:18:00,600 to run but As I mentioned in the other pod you in 2019, they also 345 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,600 had that you know for game stretch my granted was against 346 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,800 you know lesser opponents but they won you know at Rutgers at 347 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:13,700 Maryland at Nebraska wait no not all those are our ATS. 348 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:18,900 Sorry sorry they won Rutgers at home and mess it up at Maryland 349 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,400 at Nebraska and the Northwestern at home. 350 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:23,700 But, you know, and it's like, all right, it's not the best, 351 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:25,200 the Big Ten. It's like that's for I forget 352 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,100 exactly where the That's four straight Big Ten wins, we 353 00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:32,300 haven't done that like in 15 or 20 years after that point to on 354 00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:35,900 the road, that's a great stretch and that propelled us to the 355 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:40,400 Gator Bowl and we, you know, we played the Penn State team at 356 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,300 the end of that very, very tough. 357 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:45,200 He's shown that once he gets a little bit of momentum and he's 358 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,800 coaching from the right headspace that he can get this 359 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,400 team to kind of go through places where maybe they, you 360 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,500 know, are ahead. And that's when you look at the 361 00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:55,300 beginning, part of this schedule will get to Illinois in a 362 00:18:55,308 --> 00:18:57,900 second, but you Illinois, Hello, Western Kentucky. 363 00:18:57,900 --> 00:19:02,300 I'm not saying it's it's a soup you know, automatic 3 and 0 as 364 00:19:02,300 --> 00:19:05,300 we'll get to we look at each game but you have a Runway there 365 00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:08,400 where you could get a little bit of positive momentum, you know, 366 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,800 at Nebraska isn't easy but it's also not the toughest Putt in 367 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,900 the Big Ten. It's maybe one of the better 368 00:19:14,900 --> 00:19:16,700 Road games. I wouldn't mind taking right 369 00:19:16,700 --> 00:19:18,300 now. Like you have an opportunity 370 00:19:18,300 --> 00:19:21,300 here where the schedule lines up where you could you could get 371 00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:24,600 some nice momentum and and that's where I feel a little bit 372 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,700 better that, you know, if Tom Allen can get, Of that positive 373 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:31,100 vibe going getting the team to kind of play better as a, you 374 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:34,900 know, some, you know, the the whole than the sum of the parts. 375 00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:37,100 I think they're, I think, they're in a good spot. 376 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:41,000 And that's what I feel has been the positive change that I've 377 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,700 made, although I will say, overall, I'm probably as - as 378 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:49,300 I've been, you know, the entire time like, I'm, I'm just, I'm 379 00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:51,100 nervous about this season, I'm curious about it, but I'm 380 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:53,700 nervous. So, I will say I disagree with 381 00:19:53,700 --> 00:19:56,300 what you just said in as much as this. 382 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,600 I think this is interesting cause I think a lot of people 383 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,300 have latched on to this idea that, you know, Alan needs to 384 00:20:02,300 --> 00:20:05,500 coach from a positivist perspective as opposed to a 385 00:20:05,508 --> 00:20:09,500 negative is perspective, but I think honestly like 2019 is 386 00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:13,100 largely explainable by one factor, which is that he hired a 387 00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:17,400 competent offensive coordinator, who ran a good offense, that 388 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,500 regularly scored more than 30 points, a game and I don't think 389 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:24,700 anything else mattered, you had Kaelyn Deboer and you go down. 390 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:26,800 You look at the list of games from 2019. 391 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:29,300 Beat Ball State. They score 34 points, they 392 00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:30,800 scored 52 against Eastern Illinois. 393 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,200 They got crushed by Ohio State, but whatever they be 394 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,000 Connecticut, 38 23, they scored, 31 points against Michigan 395 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,300 State, and probably should have figured out a way to win that 396 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:41,300 game, but then they score 35 against Rutgers 34, against 397 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:44,600 Maryland, 38 against Nebraska, 34 against Northwestern 27 398 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,300 against Penn State on the road, and they scored 44 against 399 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:51,600 Purdue, they lost to Michigan who was just had a superior team 400 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,800 that day. Like they did, they were really 401 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:56,900 good offensively. Yeah. 402 00:20:57,100 --> 00:21:00,100 And I think 2020, yeah, you don't have kale and Deboer but 403 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:03,500 you had as a kosterman is pointed out a lot of opt-outs 404 00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:06,300 for other teams that Indiana didn't have to face. 405 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,600 And as we pointed out, everybody was under as unprepared as 406 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,800 Indiana. Normally, looks in games in 2020 407 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,200 and Indiana had some Spirit to them in that season. 408 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,300 And so, I don't know the, I guess if I'm pessimistic and I 409 00:21:21,300 --> 00:21:25,400 am about this season it's mostly because You got to be 410 00:21:25,408 --> 00:21:27,400 optimistic. The question is would make you 411 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,600 optimistic? Well I'm saying if I'm Pat I'm 412 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,900 getting to okay, say if I'm pessimistic it's because there 413 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:38,600 are so many things that have to go right in order for this 414 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,400 season to turn around to a degree where it's a really 415 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,100 successful year. If I'm optimistic, it's that 416 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:48,200 there is something that you should be able to count on this 417 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,600 year and that is a really stalwart defense. 418 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:54,700 This is Tom, Allen's bread and butter is a coach, he's got a 419 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,000 Experienced group of players, he's got a talented group of 420 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,900 players. He's got a group of players that 421 00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:05,200 was riddled by injuries last year to a large degree and much 422 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,600 like we saw in, you know, like Kevin Wilson's last year, it may 423 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,000 be a season where you have to lean a lot on the defense and 424 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000 hope you get just enough out of the offense. 425 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,300 But that may be enough, you know? 426 00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:19,000 Because I think one of the things about this schedule for 427 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:24,500 IU this year, as we get into it is there are a lot of teams who 428 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,900 Appear to be good but you don't necessarily know. 429 00:22:28,900 --> 00:22:32,100 And and and they may actually be average to bad. 430 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:35,000 And I mean, this whole first stretch of the schedule with the 431 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,500 exception I think of Michigan is full of teams that a really good 432 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:41,300 defense. Might be able to stymie. 433 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:44,600 You know, you've got, you've only got two ranked teams in the 434 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,700 first nine games that you play. And one of those games is at 435 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:51,200 home, and the other game is against the team that may not 436 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,800 actually be anywhere close to as good as their ranking indicates. 437 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,900 Yes, we said that last year. About Cincinnati, but it may be 438 00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:57,700 actually the case this year because they lost a lot of the 439 00:22:57,700 --> 00:23:01,100 guys that led them to the college football playoff, you 440 00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:03,700 know? So you look down that list and 441 00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:06,900 you know, Illinois, I do Western Kentucky, Nebraska, Maryland, 442 00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:10,200 Rutgers and even Penn State a really good defensive 443 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,300 performance, a defensive performance that can generate 444 00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:16,800 turnovers and that's calling plays in the right order might 445 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,100 yield some success that last year's team couldn't yield for 446 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:23,600 one reason or another. So that's that's where I get, I 447 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,000 guess. Potentially Optimist. 448 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,900 I don't have actually going to be anything that we have to pay 449 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:31,800 attention to because I think this team has a lot to prove. 450 00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:35,100 The offense is a lot to prove the coaches, both new and 451 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:39,500 returning have a lot to prove and the players especially on 452 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:41,700 offense are just unknown quantities. 453 00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:44,700 And it's almost, it's probably been the single hardest thing. 454 00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:48,200 For me, Scott in talking about IU football going into the 455 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,300 season. Is I want to be - to some degree 456 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:54,500 because I was burned. Last year, I want to be positive 457 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:57,900 because Is, I'm naturally a positive guy about IU football, 458 00:23:57,900 --> 00:23:59,500 even if it doesn't always sound like it. 459 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:03,300 But I do I know. So little about what we're about 460 00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:06,900 to see on Friday and beyond that. 461 00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:11,200 It's almost like I'm just you're just kind of inventing things to 462 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,000 talk about and support or oppose. 463 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:17,900 Its, you know, it's like trying to get excited or angry about a 464 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:21,500 concept car, you know, I mean if you just see, you know, the 465 00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:24,600 model on the floor, in Detroit at some Auto Show. 466 00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:26,300 So I mean it may look nothing like that. 467 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:28,100 By the time it actually gets released to the public. 468 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:30,800 What I mean getting upset about that is that's something that 469 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,000 magazine writers do not like serious podcasters like you and 470 00:24:34,008 --> 00:24:37,100 me. Yes, master. 471 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:40,400 I mean, it is wild like a someone just two people don't 472 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,100 stumble into it, you know, 20 minutes into an IU podcast, 473 00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:45,600 they're not listening to it. But it's if you know, of an 474 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,000 Alabama fan, just stumbled in and, you know, heard people 475 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,800 talking about, you know, our wide receiving Corps, you know, 476 00:24:50,808 --> 00:24:52,600 McCullers pretty. It's always looking pretty good 477 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,500 out there. They'd stop that. 478 00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:56,000 Whoa, be the guy. It quarterback for the last year 479 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000 I guess who you're talking about a quarter and it's like and by 480 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,700 the way there's a part, I'm joking, this is total joke but 481 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:04,400 it's like with with how little is we know? 482 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,200 Maybe McCoy is gonna play quarterback. 483 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:07,800 I don't know. Like maybe he'll start as 484 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,900 course. That's actually that's actually 485 00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:12,900 the big secret with the starting quarterback but it's not basil 486 00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:15,100 act. It's not Tuttle, it's actually 487 00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:17,200 McCully. Who's been, you know, there's a 488 00:25:17,208 --> 00:25:21,000 whole thing with wide receivers, it's been a huge subterfuge so 489 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,700 just that you would be breaking news. 490 00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:25,400 It's Alan wanted to have Have fun. 491 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,900 I mean one play is not going to ruin it like just come out and 492 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:32,100 have Bay's lack and Tuttle wind up at wide receiver and McCully 493 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:34,500 is quarterback. Just one play just to screw with 494 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:38,600 everybody, of course, knowing I used to, you know, with I use 495 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,000 luck, you know, he gets sacked, eras ACL throat of, you know, 496 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,200 Bay's lack, and he'd get, you know, crushed and, you know, 497 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,700 break his arm or something. That would be it. 498 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,200 Well, I know you, you have new coordinators, you bring back 499 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,600 like, literally, no production at any of the skill positions. 500 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,300 Ins. And then on defense, you're 501 00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:59,400 bringing a lot of people back, but it's also a defense that was 502 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:03,800 completely anchored by Mike McFadden and whenever he was out 503 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,600 the defense look completely unmoored and I'm not saying they 504 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,700 can't figure it out, but he was such an integral part of that 505 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:13,100 defect. Get just to the question marks 506 00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:15,100 in such an integral part of that defense. 507 00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:19,400 And, you know, it's there's even at the play calling point of 508 00:26:19,408 --> 00:26:22,500 view. Like you mentioned, Alan is best 509 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:27,500 when he has very Qualified coordinators around him. 510 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,800 And I think that him moving to the defensive side is really 511 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,400 good and it should sure up the defense. 512 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,800 But as we've said many times in the past, we've had good defense 513 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,100 has where. But if you're, you know, but if 514 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:44,500 your offense can't do anything, if your offense is going three 515 00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:49,000 it out in, you know, 28 seconds of Gameplay at some point, your 516 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000 defense is going to break and then, you know, they'll break, 517 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,600 it'll be seven, nothing then it's 7 to 3 then it's 14. 518 00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:57,600 Rihanna's 2:39, it's like the defense completely. 519 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,600 I can't specifically think want to stop ahead. 520 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,000 We've had games, the defense for like they played pretty well we 521 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,500 lost 6:32. It's like they just they 522 00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:07,800 couldn't stop 18 drives in a row from Michigan when you're 523 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,800 starting at the 50-yard line and that's what also concerns me. 524 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,500 It's just, there are so many question marks. 525 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,700 Well, across the way and this is what I kind of, you know, got 526 00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:19,800 onto Martha a little bit on the Pod is like I keep on saying 527 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,000 like hope is not a plan. Even get the Hope tracker with 528 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,700 him because he like he was describing how things are Go 529 00:27:24,708 --> 00:27:27,400 well and it's like use the word. Hope nine times that 530 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,300 explanation. It's like because there is 531 00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:31,900 nothing else to say. Because we haven't seen these 532 00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:37,100 guys, they're all question marks and honestly, your, you're 533 00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:40,700 hoping that things happen that really, I you does not have a 534 00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:44,200 history of doing, which is having high level transfers come 535 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,200 in going from a to intense season, and rebounding, to 6 and 536 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,600 6. Like, you're asking for things 537 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,300 like that. I want to ask you one more 538 00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:51,800 question for you dig into the schedule. 539 00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:55,100 Yeah. Along these lines because I 540 00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:58,800 think it was Olivia but you maybe it was even Dustin or Zach 541 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,100 on the spot and listen to a lot of preview pods, just kind of, 542 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:04,500 I'm curious your high level expectations for this year. 543 00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:07,400 You don't need to pin down like number of wins and all this, but 544 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:09,400 you know, it's the idea of people kind of are like, you 545 00:28:09,408 --> 00:28:12,600 know, to make a bowl or not. I personally think a bowl is 546 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,800 that's a very, that's a very little aspirational goal. 547 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,200 But there is this kind of feeling of either, playing for a 548 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,700 bowl or just winning a big game. And if you don't do either, 549 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,600 Either of those things is, you know, if you go for wins you 550 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,200 don't really win. Any of the big games is that 551 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,700 anything? I'm just curious your thoughts. 552 00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:32,900 Like what are your? You can you know, high level 553 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:36,600 expectations for the year. Not asking for a win total but 554 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,800 just like, what do you what do you see as a successful year? 555 00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:42,800 Yeah. The, you know it's tough because 556 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,800 this was something we talked about Olivia and I did on the 557 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:52,300 podcast and I think so, my perception versus what people's 558 00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:57,100 perception might be, is probably a little bit different. 559 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,300 So. And I say that from this 560 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:02,800 perspective like I I look at it, I think the way that people will 561 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:08,400 look at it is if you get a big win against somebody and you 562 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,200 know and then maybe you you don't make a bowl but you beat a 563 00:29:11,208 --> 00:29:13,900 Michigan or you betta at Ohio State. 564 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,500 I think you know that you couple that with Even a for win season 565 00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:21,400 or a 5 Wednesdays. And I think people would be 566 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,500 satisfied with that. They'd say, okay, hey look, I 567 00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:27,700 mean Indiana's competing. I've seen some people say well 568 00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:31,300 gosh, I think it was it was destined to appear actually in 569 00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:33,600 the Indy star piece today who was like, well you know, if you 570 00:29:33,608 --> 00:29:37,500 win four games but you're just a pain in the ass to play every 571 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:39,800 game and you're in every game until the fourth quarter. 572 00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:44,000 That might that'll probably be satisfying for a lot of people. 573 00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:49,500 And this is where I think it gets dangerous with IU because I 574 00:29:49,508 --> 00:29:54,000 think there's a certain segment of the fan base, who is, that's 575 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,000 what they want. They're perfectly satisfied with 576 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,800 IU losing, as long as they gave their best and I think that that 577 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,500 is a seductive and often very dangerous thing. 578 00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:08,200 As far as what the expectations of the program should be because 579 00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:13,000 ultimately for me, This is a program that can't really afford 580 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,700 two straight years of negative momentum, you can afford to kind 581 00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:18,900 of be in neutral for a little bit because that happens in 582 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:21,400 college football because it at least puts you in a position 583 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,500 where you're in the minds of recruits. 584 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,400 You're in the minds of the national media, you're in the 585 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,200 minds of your opponent's is as a difficult team to play against 586 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,900 it, to some agreement. That ended up being the way to 587 00:30:31,908 --> 00:30:35,800 Kevin Wilson era ended up where it's like well, you know, 588 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,900 Indiana didn't really beat any of the big teams they beat 589 00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:40,500 Michigan State. I think once. 590 00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:44,400 It's under Wilson, they beat a couple of other teams that maybe 591 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,400 were surprised and ever beat Wisconsin. 592 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,300 But they, you know, they, they were competitive in a lot of 593 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:51,600 games, not against Wisconsin because we're never competitive 594 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,700 against Wisconsin. But but that, you know, Indiana 595 00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:58,000 was at least a team that people paid attention to and, you know, 596 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,200 they come close against Ohio State, or they come close 597 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,400 against a Michigan. Whatever. 598 00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:08,000 I think that this year, Indiana has to, at least get to five 599 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,500 wins regardless of what else they do. 600 00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:15,600 For it to be considered a successful season relative to 601 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,300 the overall state of the program. 602 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,600 You know. I don't think you can look at a 603 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,900 five and seven season in a year where you play in FCS opponent. 604 00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:27,900 And you've got, you know what looks like a relatively weak 605 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,400 group of five team at home and say well gosh you know you're 606 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,400 only gonna win two more games, you know I like you need at 607 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,600 least when three more you need to win a couple of games in the 608 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,900 Big 10 you've got. Opportunities there. 609 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:44,100 I don't think you could look at a 3 or 4 wins season, even 610 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:46,500 though that would technically be better than last year and say, 611 00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:48,700 oh, that was an improvement. That was, that was sufficient 612 00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:51,500 for this year. I think I you and I think Tom 613 00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:55,400 Allen especially not NATO certainly for the fans but 614 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,100 definitely on the recruiting Trail have to be able to point 615 00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:00,900 back to this season when they're on the recruiting Trail and say 616 00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:05,800 see that's a lot closer to what. I you football is not 2021 which 617 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,900 was a blip on the radar. It was a bottoming out that 618 00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:10,400 nobody expected. There were a bunch of bad 619 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,100 things. It happened. 620 00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:13,300 But hey, look, we got this thing back on track quickly. 621 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,700 So for me personally, think a 6 win season is got to be the 622 00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:22,100 floor for IU because that's what had been established. 623 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:26,100 The previous decade for it to be considered a successful season. 624 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,200 For me, I think, a lot of you fans will look at a five wins 625 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,000 season or a for win season, where you knock off a big team 626 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,600 and say, that's that's successful. 627 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,900 But for me, it's like, at this point you're playing for For, 628 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,800 you know, for trophies, you know, relatively speaking you're 629 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,500 playing for like the Little Caesars Bowl, you know? 630 00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:49,300 But you're playing for the opportunity to further the 631 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:52,600 program, even if it's just incrementally and that's, I 632 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,800 guess where I'm at with things now. 633 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,700 I don't think that I use going to get there as you're going to 634 00:32:56,700 --> 00:33:00,300 hear in a minute, but I do think that that needs to be the bar of 635 00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:05,000 expectations and anything below that, it's hard for him to sell 636 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,300 me on the idea that the program has shaken off, what they dealt. 637 00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:12,600 Last year and actually has forward momentum at this stage 638 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,500 and this is the part another larger. 639 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:18,200 Big picture thing. I know I keep saying until we 640 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,200 get to the schedule. But you know, this was kind of, 641 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,100 you know, the analogy. I always had with the Archie 642 00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:25,700 Miller era is that, you know, you mentioned like it's you 643 00:33:25,708 --> 00:33:28,400 know, getting the six wins is the floor and then getting to a 644 00:33:28,408 --> 00:33:31,700 Little Caesars Bowl, but it's like there's also the lingering. 645 00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:33,800 You also got to win a bowl at some point too. 646 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,200 And this is this is the Archie, Miller problem, is you kind of 647 00:33:36,208 --> 00:33:40,400 were just like mediocre but you know, the The issues of not 648 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,200 getting these, you know, these certain checkpoints done, they 649 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,600 do start to stack up and then you get to a point where it's 650 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,800 like, alright, you gotta win like it maybe the team and the 651 00:33:48,808 --> 00:33:51,900 schedule and things aren't lined up for you now, but you by not 652 00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:55,800 winning a bowl in six years or as a Le but, you know, in 20 653 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,800 years as a program, for not making a bowl for doing two, and 654 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,900 ten, like all these things stacked up and I am with you, 655 00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:04,600 I'm not sure. We're going to get to a bowl, I 656 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,800 don't think we, if we got there, we'd win one, but it's like that 657 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,500 still has a goal that needs. Accomplished like this, still a 658 00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:13,199 boss in the video game, you've got to get through and just 659 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,600 because you had a bad year last year in the schedules and break, 660 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,600 right? Or you have a lot of question 661 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,199 marks. Like we don't just get to now, 662 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,100 push off, winning a ball five more years. 663 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:24,400 Like that is still stacked up and I think that is where I'm 664 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,000 concerned about this year. Is that, as you said, if you 665 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,300 just kind of go for winds, don't want don't beat a big team. 666 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:32,300 Don't make it to a bowl. It's like all of these 667 00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:34,699 expectations, all these things people would like to see, done 668 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,199 are now going to continue to be stacked on top of each other and 669 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:39,900 it's like, at some point. You're going to You have to have 670 00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:43,000 a season where you do at all, which is asking a lot of this 671 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,100 program. But at some point, we have to 672 00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:48,100 ask for that, or we're just going to be watching a program. 673 00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:50,500 That's not going to win a bowl. Like this is not going to win a 674 00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:53,600 bowl in the next 15 years or even make it to a bowl. 675 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,000 And so you know this is where you kind of get to atone for 676 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,600 last season by doing knocking a couple of these things off. 677 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,900 I mean that's that would be you know, beating Michigan or 678 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:07,200 beating Ohio State. Getting like you said to the 679 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,300 Little Caesars bowl and then winning that ball. 680 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,400 If you did that, well, would be a phenomenal season. 681 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,200 But I think you're asking too much for the problem is you just 682 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,000 you continuing to stack these expectations well and they're 683 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,300 not going away. What? 684 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:22,200 And one of the things I find fascinating about the narrative 685 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,000 that has suddenly popped up this last couple of months about IU 686 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,400 is that o last year was a fluke. You know like oh there was 687 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,100 disconnecting the coaching staff Allen and War and didn't get 688 00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:36,300 along. And you know, there were guys 689 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,400 that maybe weren't totally bought in and we heard Mike 690 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,400 McFadden talk About guys on the team that weren't bought in and 691 00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:45,800 there were all these unnamed people on the roster who weren't 692 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,500 bought in who checked out at some point during the season 693 00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:51,700 who, you know, all of that. Okay. 694 00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:56,800 So if that's the case, if that's really the case, if it really 695 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,100 was a fluke with all this bad stuff that happened, the culture 696 00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:03,000 fell apart that quickly. The two questions come to mind, 697 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,600 the first is culture was supposed to be Tom, Allen's big 698 00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:12,100 thing like May not have the best players but we have the best 699 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:16,600 culture and we've got people that love to play for him and 700 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,900 for each other and for Indiana University. 701 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,000 So it does call into question. How good the culture was if it 702 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,500 was able to fall apart that quickly in a season, when 703 00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,900 everything seemed to have lined up in favor of Indiana playing 704 00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:32,800 really well. And having a chance in a 705 00:36:32,808 --> 00:36:34,900 starting with a national ranking, having a chance to be 706 00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:37,300 in the National conversation from day, one, but the other 707 00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:39,200 thing is I don't think I have one. 708 00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:43,500 Inside of your mouth, you can say 2021 was a fluke and you 709 00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:46,800 can't take it as an indictment on the Tom Allen error because 710 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,700 it was so clearly out of step and then on the flipside, say 711 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:52,000 well we can't expect that much how to the team this year. 712 00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:54,800 And if they win three or four games, we see we need to be 713 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,700 positive because that essentially means if last year 714 00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:01,700 was a fluke, then they should be able to just get right back to 715 00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:03,900 where they were in 2019 and 2020. 716 00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:08,100 You know, it should be something that if it's that much of a 717 00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,900 fluke can be stepped. Over and get you can get back 718 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:13,800 into your lane. And so I do think to some degree 719 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,000 their narrative guess for from last year, the other narrative 720 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000 or we're talking about there is from last year that is, that is 721 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,300 also kind of grown out which I really don't like and has not 722 00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:25,500 been given a good answer to me, is when you start digging in or 723 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:28,500 asking people about her, people talk about, you know, like the 724 00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:32,100 lost to Rutgers, you know, 38, 23 or the Purdue lost 44 27, 725 00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,500 there's kind of this. Like, oh yeah, well, that's what 726 00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:35,000 the team just gate. Like at that point, it seemed 727 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,500 already given up and it's like, well we can't just gloss over 728 00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:40,600 like okay, so we're just, you know, The last four games just 729 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,000 like we can't really get pissed of them. 730 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,700 Losing you 38, 23 at home to Rutgers because like don't 731 00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:46,400 forget everyone quit at that point. 732 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,000 It's like well the fact that we're all just agreeing that the 733 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,200 team had quit and just stop playing is like that's not that 734 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,400 it's kind of mind-boggling that we just were kind of just that's 735 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,300 that's what happened and that we're going to assume that 736 00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:01,300 you're going to go from a team that we all disagree. 737 00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:04,000 Just kind of basically gave up and was just riding out the 738 00:38:04,008 --> 00:38:07,100 stretch and just knew they were going to get boat race by Purdue 739 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,200 and we're just going to turn on a dime. 740 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,300 I'm and make that a 75-year. It's like I still haven't gotten 741 00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:15,200 an explanation to that, right? No. 742 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,500 It's I mean, the last four games, this team scored a total 743 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:24,000 of 31 points. A total 44 total games for what 744 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,000 is that? 240 minutes of play? 745 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,600 They scored a total of thirty one point. 746 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,600 I think it's a very good point and it look, I think you can be 747 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,400 supportive of IU football and you can ask some very serious 748 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,900 questions, not just about that stretch but about the entire 749 00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:41,200 narrative. Out of that, we have been pushed 750 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,700 over the course of this offseason which is that, you 751 00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:48,200 know, Tom Allen's team needed to find humility again and Alan 752 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,800 native. And it's like, my God. 753 00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:56,700 I mean, you had like two good for IU seasons and suddenly you 754 00:38:56,700 --> 00:39:00,300 need a dose of humility that required a too intense season 755 00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:03,200 where the team just stop playing for five of the last six games. 756 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,300 I mean, that's, that's a heck of a, of a bill of sale that people 757 00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:10,100 are being asked to pick up and look who Maybe it's right. 758 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,600 And and that's going to be the big interesting question about 759 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,800 this year is, is there going to be enough demonstrable evidence 760 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,600 on the field that last year was a total fluke, but if it is, 761 00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:24,200 then we should see this team win six games this year. 762 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,800 That, that that's ultimately my point. 763 00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:29,500 If it was, it was truly a good point. 764 00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:32,000 If it was truly an anomaly, we should see the team, win more 765 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,300 games and and not just two more games. 766 00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:36,800 But for more games anyway, let's go ahead and get to the 767 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,400 schedule. We're going to hold the Illinois 768 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,800 game. Until the end so that we can 769 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,900 talk about the Illinois game in like as the lead out rather than 770 00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:46,700 talking about it first and going through the rest of the 771 00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:49,700 schedule, this is an editorial decision that I have made. 772 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,700 So, let's talk about the Idaho game. 773 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,400 This is a game Indiana has to win, certainly, but I will, the 774 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,700 one thing I'll say that, and I think they will win. 775 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,200 And I'll go first, you go second and then we'll flip the order. 776 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,900 But I will say one thing and this is going to sound odd. 777 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,200 I feel like it He had a one last year, fifty six to 14, but the 778 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,100 lingering feeling out of that. Idaho game was that they weren't 779 00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:19,200 dominant enough and it felt like a dumb thing to say, with a team 780 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,400 that won a game by 42 points. But it really did feel like 781 00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:28,700 Indiana should have won that game like 73 27 and they didn't. 782 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,200 And so, oddly enough, this is a game. 783 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,400 I feel like, regardless of what happens in week, one Indiana 784 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,100 needs to just step on their their throat from the moment 785 00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:42,200 that the the opening Whistle sounds not let up have a lot of 786 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,800 offensive Firepower demonstrated throughout the course of the 787 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,400 game. By that point, hopefully they'll 788 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,400 be a depth chart. So there won't be anything to 789 00:40:48,408 --> 00:40:51,900 hide and you'll know who the starting quarterback is because 790 00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:53,700 he throws like eight touchdowns, you know. 791 00:40:53,707 --> 00:40:57,400 So I think I do think Indiana has to win this game, but I 792 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,900 think Indiana needs to win it in convincing fashion more so than 793 00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:03,500 they did last year. Because even though the score 794 00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:05,900 looked convincing, I don't know that necessarily the game they 795 00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:10,900 played was I love the idea of no depth chart again for Idaho, 796 00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:13,400 Turtle yelling for you here then. 797 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:20,100 Yeah, I mean, this is your thrown me for a loop on the not 798 00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:21,200 feeling. Talk about Illinois. 799 00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:26,000 Now, this is a, is a must win. I mean, like this is if you lose 800 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,900 the Idaho at home pack it up and let's talk about basketball, 801 00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:32,500 like the really then let's, let's have really bad 802 00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:34,200 discussions. The rest of the year I think 803 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,500 will shut down. Crimson Castle. 804 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:38,100 Catch in 2023. You have to win this game. 805 00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:41,900 I disagree with you. Like I just I don't think you 806 00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:44,000 can win by, you know, it can't be a close, you know, 807 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,900 three-point field goal at the end of the game, but I think as 808 00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:50,800 long as you're winning by, you know, 14 to 21 points, I think, 809 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,600 as long as the defense looks relatively good in your starters 810 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,400 or kind of holding their starters down. 811 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,000 I'm, we've had games where he'd beaten bad teams by a lot. 812 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,400 Not, it hasn't done much in the season. 813 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,300 We've had Seasons where we had close ones. 814 00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:05,900 I just think from a perspective of the fans, you've got to win 815 00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:08,100 this game by pretty large. Reginald even has to be more 816 00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:10,900 than last year, but yeah, you, you have to win this game. 817 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,400 You have to win this game. Let's move on to Western 818 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,400 Kentucky as well. Check would say, alright, so I 819 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,400 you want to know in both of our books, Western Kentucky. 820 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,400 I'm gonna let you start. Go ahead again. 821 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,200 I think this is a game that you, you have to win. 822 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,500 Western Kentucky is a kind of an interesting team, you know, it's 823 00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:30,200 funny. I listened to dust it. 824 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,600 We referencing all is Dustin and Zach everybody else, but I 825 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,700 listened to their podcasts. It was great and I think it was 826 00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:39,400 A costume who brought up the point, which I hadn't fully 827 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,000 thought about that, you know, Alan. 828 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,700 And we always talk about the defense of this team and last 829 00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:48,500 year, you know, yes, Western Kentucky has this weird Kirk 830 00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:50,600 Corky offense, but it's like that's kind of the way. 831 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,700 Allen's defense should be able to stop a team like that and 832 00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:56,800 wasn't able to. So again, I think that, yes, 833 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,100 Western Kentucky is quirky, but I believe their offensive 834 00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:01,400 coordinator is gone. They have some new pieces there. 835 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,100 You know, this is a team where again, if Alan is truly going to 836 00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:10,300 have this At the level that we expect it to be at, you should 837 00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:12,800 be able to be a Western Kentucky at home. 838 00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:14,900 I'm not even sure where they are. 839 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,100 Madhu us very quickly where they are and like SM P plus. 840 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,700 By, I can tell you, on Pro Football Focus, they are 841 00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:27,300 projected to have eight point six wins and an 88 percent 842 00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:29,900 chance of making a bowl. So I don't know. 843 00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:32,800 I don't know where they are in Sp plus, but I can tell you that 844 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,800 they're not, they're not poorly regarded, when it comes to PFF, 845 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,800 I think it's the game that you you need to win and this is the 846 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,700 point where I will say, this is a game that Indiana will get. 847 00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:50,500 And if you get, if you don't win this, your path to even Four 848 00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:55,500 Winds is really going to be suspect and so I will give 849 00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:59,300 Indiana this wind. I have a mitt to know I'm a 850 00:43:59,308 --> 00:44:01,400 little, I'm a little edgy on this one. 851 00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:05,200 You know, Western Kentucky in Sp + going into this upcoming 852 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,400 weekend is a 16 point. Favorite over Hawaii and 853 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,200 expected to cover that come from Hawaii. 854 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,300 We saw got obliterated by Vanderbilt in week zero so 855 00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:18,900 that's not much of a test, but, and maybe it is a good thing 856 00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:20,700 that Western Kentucky is traveling to Hawaii. 857 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:22,900 Because that's a long flight back and then they got to turn 858 00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:27,400 around and play at Indiana a week later, so the name of that 859 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,300 disrupts him a little bit. I think it's gonna be really 860 00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:34,300 close game, just very similar to last year and, you know, I think 861 00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:36,900 in the end is going to have potentially some Growing Pains. 862 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,200 Early on offense, as they learn to play with each other. 863 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,700 This will probably a gate, be a game that they squeak out in 864 00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:47,800 similar fashion to like the Florida International game, that 865 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,400 they played down there a few years ago or Western Kentucky, 866 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,200 that they played a few years ago or last year for that matter. 867 00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:58,000 I'm with you I think it's game was going to be closer than 868 00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,800 people think like people are just been penciling Western 869 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,900 Kentucky and is an automatic W and I do worry about I use 870 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,800 coming into that game, perhaps not taking Western Kentucky as 871 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,800 seriously as they should, but I'll give them a win in this. 872 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,100 I don't want to be overly - at least this early in the 873 00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:20,300 prediction string. So, okay, so that we both have 874 00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:21,800 them at to know which I, you know, that's a, that's a 875 00:45:21,808 --> 00:45:26,200 positive thing certainly. So, let's Jump Ahead, then to 876 00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:30,100 the next game, on the docket, which is Indiana traveling to 877 00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:33,000 nippert Stadium to take on the Cincinnati. 878 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,600 Bearcats, obviously, this, this was the game last year. 879 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,400 Are you really felt like I you left a golden opportunity on the 880 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,800 table this year. It's one of those situations 881 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,000 where you look at Cincinnati. They lost a lot of pieces but 882 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,000 they are still. It's not just that they're 883 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,900 ranked. The ranked 23rd in the AP, poll 884 00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:56,400 22nd the coaches, pull their projected by Pro Football, Focus 885 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,400 to win nine games. You know they have a 5% chance 886 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,000 to make the college football playoff again this year, I think 887 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,800 that's probably a bridge too far. 888 00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:10,200 The American is a Bit better than it was last year but this 889 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,800 is still by all accounts a pretty good Cincinnati team and 890 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,600 as we know Scott picking Indiana to win on the road period, 891 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,100 whether it's in conference or out of conference is a dangerous 892 00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:25,200 game and much as I want to pick Indiana in this one, I don't see 893 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,100 it happening. I think Cincinnati will not 894 00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:31,400 struggle particularly much at home as much as Cincinnati 895 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,600 struggled in the first half last year against Indiana. 896 00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:35,500 That's probably not going to happen this time around. 897 00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:36,900 I'll take the Bearcats in this one. 898 00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:39,300 Yeah. I mean they're projected for 899 00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:44,000 nine and a half winds are nine point nine wins this year, still 900 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,000 ranks 16th at sfp+ there. They lost a lot but they're 901 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,600 bringing a lot back coming. They have a deep, very deep 902 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,600 roster for a, you know, for a team, not in the power 5, again, 903 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,200 I was going back and looking like, you know, it's been a 904 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,200 while since don't even 2019. But, you know, we haven't won a 905 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,800 true Road game. I guess last year was Western 906 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,200 Kentucky, but this is going to be a real true. 907 00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:09,600 True Road game. The likes of which we haven't 908 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,800 played since like 2019. I think this is where the rubber 909 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,400 starts to hit the road and you have some muscle memory that 910 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,500 hits in maybe a bad and maybe a bad way. 911 00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:24,300 And so, yeah. I like, I would say Cincinnati 912 00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:27,700 is going to win that game. I was a two-on-one Well - the 913 00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:30,300 Illinois game that we've decided not to talk about yet. 914 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,900 So 200 + 0. + 2. + 1. Yeah, so Indiana, then. 915 00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:38,500 It's faces off in the next game against the Braska Cornhuskers 916 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,700 who have certainly had quite a start to the season already. 917 00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:44,500 They go to Dublin, they lose to the Northwest. 918 00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:46,700 What's that what their head coach depth chart look like for 919 00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:50,200 that? It's well I think if there's one 920 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,300 thing that we're pretty certain of is that regardless of what 921 00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:54,300 happens in the next few games, Scott Frost is still going to be 922 00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:57,000 coaching that game only because immediately after the game, 923 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,100 Scott Frost buyout drops by a significant margin. 924 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,300 You know. So you're going to see a 925 00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:05,900 situation here where one of two things could potentially be 926 00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:10,000 happening with this Nebraska. Team either a they're going to 927 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,400 be the figure their next few games. 928 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,100 Are you talked about the the, the yin and the Yang? 929 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,900 They play North Dakota FCS team at home. 930 00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:23,900 They played Georgia, Southern and then they play Oklahoma at 931 00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:27,000 home. And Oklahoma will probably smash 932 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,800 them into tiny tiny pieces, so what's likely and then they get 933 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,200 to buy that following week. So what you're going to get is a 934 00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:39,600 two weeks of like Nebraska licking their wounds after 935 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:44,200 getting obliterated by Oklahoma with a two and two record. 936 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,900 And they're only FBS victory in that stretch coming against 937 00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:51,600 Georgia. Southern I imagine the heat is 938 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,400 going to be on about maximum and Scott. 939 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,000 I guess the question is is that a scenario where Nebraska 940 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,400 rallies around Scott, Frost and goes out and plays a great game 941 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,600 at home against Indiana, or is that a game, where the players 942 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,900 are looking around the locker room saying, you know, He might 943 00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:10,300 be gone after this week. It doesn't really matter how we 944 00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:11,500 play, I don't know. What do you think? 945 00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:14,700 This is a game that has an absolute. 946 00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:16,100 It's funny. Every team were playing with a 947 00:49:16,107 --> 00:49:18,800 bunch of question marks at Cincinnati after team is gone. 948 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,200 And this is a team where I knew, I loved betting against Scott 949 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,400 Frost last year because you just knew like they, they weren't 950 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,700 going to beat a good team. Because Scott Frost would make a 951 00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:32,400 ton of mistakes at the end. He roll that over to this year 952 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,000 and kept it going. Again that said, you know, 953 00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:39,900 Lincoln's not an easy place to play. 954 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,100 And their fan base is We're going to look at this stretch at 955 00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:46,600 the Heats going to be on, but I think they also look at this as 956 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,700 they're playing Indiana. There at Rutgers at Purdue home 957 00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:52,600 to Illinois, home to Minnesota. You know, if you're at a 958 00:49:52,607 --> 00:49:55,600 Nebraska fan, you're thinking. All right, we could 959 00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,300 theoretically go for and one in that stretch and we need to. 960 00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:03,200 And if we can do that, we can right the ship. 961 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,800 And that starts by beating Indiana and to them. 962 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,100 This will kind of almost be a Rubicon because they can't beat 963 00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:10,600 Indiana. I'm not sure. 964 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,900 They, you know are going to be Illinois or Minnesota, or at 965 00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:16,200 Purdue. So be there, for one, could turn 966 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,200 into one and four very quickly if they can't beat Indiana. 967 00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:24,900 And this is where I want to be optimistic. 968 00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,800 But there are just so many question marks that it seems 969 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,000 full-hearted to say. All the question marks we have 970 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,700 on the offense. Like I don't even know whose 971 00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:35,700 have a quarterback is going to look like, I really want to 972 00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,400 reserve judgment until you this Saturday morning. 973 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,400 But from what I see now and what, I know It sucks because 974 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:49,400 this is probably one of the most winnable good Marquee games that 975 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,000 you could have versus like not playing at, you know, at 976 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,800 Illinois like an actual real, big ten road win, it's there. 977 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,000 It's gettable. You have a coach who is going to 978 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,300 try and hand it to you. I think we're going to lose. 979 00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:05,000 Okay, I think it's gonna be close, but I could see us losing 980 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,300 this one like 28 to 24 or something. 981 00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:13,100 So by the time this game starts Over a full football season in 982 00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:17,600 2020 on and a partial football, season of 54 games up to that 983 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,200 point. There's a distinct possibility 984 00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:24,600 that in that season and a half. Essentially Nebraska will have a 985 00:51:24,607 --> 00:51:28,300 total of 5 wins and those five wins leading into the Indiana 986 00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:29,800 game. Will have come against Fordham 987 00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:35,700 Buffalo, North, Western North Dakota and Georgia Southern. 988 00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:39,800 That's, that's the so I to some degree. 989 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,800 I hear what you're But your argument like that Lincoln's a 990 00:51:43,808 --> 00:51:46,200 tough place to play. I think that used to be the case 991 00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:49,900 but I don't know that that's necessarily the case now and 992 00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:55,200 we've seen not just good teams going to Lincoln and win but 993 00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:58,400 average to poor teams going to Lincoln and win. 994 00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:03,500 You know whether you're talking last year with Purdue went in 995 00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:08,900 and beat them and you know you had I mean, Iowa beat them at 996 00:52:08,908 --> 00:52:10,700 the end of the season, they were really good, but even in the 997 00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:13,400 previous year, you know, they lost at home to Minnesota who 998 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,100 wasn't that great? They lost it home to Illinois, 999 00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:19,400 who certainly wasn't that great? I think it is going to win this 1000 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,500 game because I think that this team is going to quit on Scott 1001 00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:26,900 Frost when they lose like 63 272, Oklahoma and have to lick 1002 00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:29,300 their wounds for two weeks. And here, everybody, and Lincoln 1003 00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:32,500 talked about how bad they are. So I'm going to give value the 1004 00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:34,500 win here. I think this is the exactly the 1005 00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:37,000 type of game that Indiana can win. 1006 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,700 Especially Really good defense on the road who has got 1007 00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:44,100 experience playing in tough environments and isn't going to 1008 00:52:44,107 --> 00:52:48,400 be rattled by a crowd at Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, 1009 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,600 that's likely going to be pretty rattled themselves. 1010 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,800 So anyway, let's move on next game in the last got frosting. 1011 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,900 Just the oh yes, one stat that I heard that even from right now 1012 00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:02,700 if he wins 50 games in a row as a coach he will still have a 1013 00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:05,500 worse record than Bo Pelini had when they fired him. 1014 00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:08,400 Which is just if you're a Nebraska Fan, you're just like, 1015 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,500 I'm, I'm done. I'm out. 1016 00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:14,600 Lex next game. Next week for Indiana noon 1017 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,500 kickoff. We think homecoming, they play 1018 00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:22,200 Michigan, Michigan. I mean, this there still is 1019 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,600 next. Okay, yeah, Marilyn. 1020 00:53:23,607 --> 00:53:24,500 That's you know, that's the thing. 1021 00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:25,800 There's not much to say about this one. 1022 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,100 I mean, the question here is kind of lost like damage control 1023 00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:32,200 more than anything else. It's not just will Indiana lose. 1024 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,600 Can Indiana. Get out of this without losing 1025 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,400 three or four starters for the season two like season. 1026 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,900 Injuries because that it always feels like that happens when you 1027 00:53:40,900 --> 00:53:43,400 turn into October and you got to start playing these really top 1028 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,500 team. So yeah, we both have that one 1029 00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:47,300 as a loss, all right? But I will say this yes 1030 00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:49,700 piggybacking very quickly off of what you said about. 1031 00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:54,100 You know, if last year was a blip, it's frustrating because 1032 00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:58,100 the thing about 2020 that I liked so much was our win 1033 00:53:58,100 --> 00:54:01,500 against Michigan where we really just manhandled them. 1034 00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:04,300 I know, it's a, you know, covid year, no fans all that, but on 1035 00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:06,300 the field we were pushing them around. 1036 00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:09,400 Like we were getting The extra true yards like you watch that 1037 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,600 game and you'd be like, oh, the team in red is the historically 1038 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,400 good team, like, and to go from that to now, where you and I are 1039 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,000 just back to the, oh yeah, we're going to like a treating them, 1040 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,700 like Ohio State that's frustrating like that, really? 1041 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,400 I just want to take a moment, take a breath and say that's 1042 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,800 where I'm pissed because that was the moment in 2020 where I'm 1043 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,600 like, this feels different. And if we are at the point 1044 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,600 where, you know, our lines and everything we're doing is at a 1045 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,100 level of In and were able to kind of not just win on like a 1046 00:54:40,100 --> 00:54:42,300 weird fluky. You know, we had a couple of 1047 00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:44,600 weird plays and they threw three interceptions. 1048 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,100 We had to go crazy reach and over time, but like we actually 1049 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,100 beat the hell out of Michigan. That game would have gone 5/4. 1050 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,700 We would have beat him by more. The fact were there within 18 1051 00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:56,100 months. We go from that to like, all 1052 00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:56,400 right. Yeah. 1053 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,800 They're they're they're two laps ahead of us. 1054 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,500 It's that that's bothersome and something. 1055 00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:03,300 People should just take a breath and be like that. 1056 00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:05,800 Something that sucks. That's all I'm saying. 1057 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,300 On the flip side, I think that 2020 game was about the, the 1058 00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:15,800 most abnormal of games. I mean that Michigan won two 1059 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,600 games that year, they beat Minnesota and they beat Rutgers, 1060 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,100 I think was the other team that they beat like, that was, that 1061 00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:24,600 was a bad Michigan team, that was very much like a game. 1062 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,600 You're reading scores from the night, early, 1950s and 1063 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,200 lightweight Indiana, beat Michigan, and still went to and 1064 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,300 7. Like what happened? 1065 00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:34,100 That kind of I think we're gonna people are going to look back, 1066 00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:36,800 50 years, like we're going to be sitting here when were 90 email 1067 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,100 Yeah, I was has a great. Give me a grandpa like Michigan 1068 00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:42,200 suck that year. Like why are you even mentioning 1069 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,100 this? So you know I just I don't I 1070 00:55:45,107 --> 00:55:47,300 don't I don't I don't foresee it anyway. 1071 00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:51,900 All right, Maryland at home. This Maryland team is rated 1072 00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:56,300 pretty well in the conference there they're projected on PFF 1073 00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:58,600 college with six point seven wins it. 1074 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,900 Obviously, last year, kind of felt like Maryland's 1075 00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:06,000 breakthrough year to some degree under Mike locksley as much as 1076 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,200 we've Lampoon them. They went to a bowl, they 1077 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,500 obliterated Virginia. Tech in that bowl. 1078 00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:14,400 They they had a, you know, it was one of those that seat the 1079 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,300 season last year that Marilyn had is the kind of season that 1080 00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:20,100 we want Indiana to have eke out a bowl. 1081 00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:23,200 I mean, Maryland wins last year, we're going to West Virginia 1082 00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,000 Which give them credit for that Howard Adeline oil which was a 1083 00:56:27,008 --> 00:56:31,000 surprise I've ever watching that Kent State Indiana by three at 1084 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,400 home and at Rutgers to close the season but they got waxed by 1085 00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:37,900 Michigan, they got waxer. By Michigan State. 1086 00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:40,800 They got waxed by Penn State, they got obliterate, like 1087 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,300 absolutely destroyed by Ohio State and they lost by double 1088 00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:47,700 digits to Minnesota. So, you know, and they also lost 1089 00:56:47,700 --> 00:56:49,600 5114 to Iowa. So, this is a team when they 1090 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,500 lost last year. They lost big. 1091 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,800 This is a kind of a fulcrum game because they're probably going 1092 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,800 to be better, because there's a lot of talent. 1093 00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,600 Mike locksley is done. A really good job recruiting 1094 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,000 their the question is, can they go on the road and beat? 1095 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,100 Indiana is Indiana going to be good enough that they avoid. 1096 00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:08,700 The Fate that Oi had last year where they lost to Maryland at 1097 00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:13,600 home. So to me, I think this is the 1098 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,100 game where, you know, being at home helps. 1099 00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:21,000 And I think that again, in my scenario, you know, we've we've 1100 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,500 won at home and Idaho, we've won at home at Western Kentucky. 1101 00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:27,500 We've lost now three in a row in my world and your world. 1102 00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:33,300 We had a win at Nebraska, you know, II, hope that most fans 1103 00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:36,400 are at least understanding that a loss to Michigan is not the 1104 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,200 end of the season, but I think this is where the fans can rally 1105 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:45,200 a Bit help, pick you up and and like you I think Maryland's a 1106 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,600 little bit overrated, this year, their SP, I think in the 50s 1107 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,400 which seems a little bit high. And so I think this is a, you 1108 00:57:54,408 --> 00:58:01,700 know, a nice spot for Indiana. Yeah we'll win go in the hole. 1109 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,400 Wow. Okay I'm I'm kind of Maryland 1110 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,400 and Rutgers I think we're going to go 1 and 1/2. 1111 00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:09,100 Be honest like I'm not sure which one we're going to win, 1112 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,400 which one we're going to lose. It feels like we might lose the, 1113 00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:13,700 the home game, and win the road game, which is kind of, yeah, 1114 00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:16,400 we're eiu waved, it which is, which is where I was, I was 1115 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,800 going with it, but I'll just have, I want. 1116 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,900 I want fans to show up. I want to be positive for home 1117 00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:22,000 games. We're going to win the home. 1118 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,000 You know, I look, I think that's a reasonable thing. 1119 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,000 And I do think as you said Marilyn's, been overrated, And I 1120 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,800 think that even if they are around as good as what people 1121 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,500 think, if there are six win or like a projected 6 to 7 win 1122 00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:37,700 team, this is a game that they could very easily lose and not 1123 00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:41,000 have it ruin their season. I mean, Maryland schedule, is 1124 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,300 they a buffalo Charlotte Southern Methodist, they're 1125 00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:44,600 going to win all three of those games. 1126 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:45,700 They got Michigan. Michigan, stay. 1127 00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:48,000 They're gonna lose those two. They got Purdue Indiana 1128 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,300 Northwestern, they probably go to and one in those games that 1129 00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:54,800 get some 25, and then they still have Rutgers at home to close 1130 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,800 the season. So there's an easy path. 1131 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,900 Two to six and six for this Maryland team, you know, even if 1132 00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:04,700 they lose this, Indiana game. And I think at this point, I'd 1133 00:59:04,700 --> 00:59:08,900 feel comfortable picking Indiana to win, just because this is a, 1134 00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:11,900 these are two programs that are very similar to each other and 1135 00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:16,900 talent level in overall execution and in predictability 1136 00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:19,200 or reliability. And that is to say neither of 1137 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,300 them are particularly reliable at all. 1138 00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:24,500 So, I like Indiana in that game. Barely, I don't think it's, I 1139 00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:26,500 think it's one where Indiana probably doesn't cover but I 1140 00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:29,100 think they can. In okay, our Rutgers at Rutgers 1141 00:59:29,100 --> 00:59:30,900 the following week, I'll go ahead and say, I think they're 1142 00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:35,400 going to lose this game and look, I think Rutgers the what 1143 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,000 they did to Indiana last year. Probably, should be illegal in 1144 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,800 several States. It's but an Indiana deserved it 1145 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,500 that, but but I do think the what gets lost is Greg, Schiano 1146 00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:51,600 is a really good coach. And yes, I think his team's 1147 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,400 going to take a step back this year, on the offensive line. 1148 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,800 They still don't really have a good quarterback. 1149 00:59:56,900 --> 01:00:01,100 Yeah, but I also think that much like I think Indiana will win at 1150 01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:03,700 home against a Maryland team, that's not particularly 1151 01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:06,200 reliable. I think Rutgers is going to beat 1152 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,600 an Indiana team at home. That is not particularly 1153 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,500 reliable, you know, when in Piscataway against Indiana, team 1154 01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:15,600 is not particularly reliable. And, again, it's a must-win game 1155 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,200 for Rutgers because they just, they don't have a lot of 1156 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,600 opportunities to pick up wins in the Big Ten. 1157 01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:25,000 And they've got a golden opportunity in the middle of 1158 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,800 October because they get Nebraska at home. 1159 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,400 And it might be Nebraska with a brand-new coach. 1160 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,500 They get a bye and then they get Indiana. 1161 01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:33,500 That's a really tough setup for Indiana. 1162 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,800 I don't like their chances in this one so I'm going to pick a 1163 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,600 loss. Yeah, I'm also going to pick 1164 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,000 Indiana to lose them and take the under on, whatever the 1165 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,800 over-under is, because she on has a great defensive coach 1166 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,800 Allen is going to have it. This could be a seven-to-three 1167 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:47,800 game. This could be like a Xander 1168 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,000 diamant special. So, yeah, I think that, like I 1169 01:00:51,008 --> 01:00:55,300 said, I Indiana's history, probably means we lose Maryland 1170 01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:59,600 and when truckers and have just a weird flip-flop, but I already 1171 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:00,700 picked us to win the Maryland game. 1172 01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:02,500 It's like I said, I think we're going one-on-one in the stretch 1173 01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:05,700 and so I will also have is losing to Rutgers and then I get 1174 01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:08,500 to buy the following week. Then they get Penn State at 1175 01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:12,200 home. I mean, feels like that game in 1176 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,000 2020 gets further and further away every single day, which it 1177 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,500 does actually that's how time works. 1178 01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:22,000 I've learned, but it just, and Penn State is kind of an 1179 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,300 interesting spot because they just signed James Franklin, to 1180 01:01:26,308 --> 01:01:29,800 this big contract extension and to some degree. 1181 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,400 Often wonder why Penn State right now is picked sixth in the 1182 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,700 conference in terms of overall wins their projected for? 1183 01:01:36,700 --> 01:01:41,000 I think so, Seven point two wins right now on the season which 1184 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,500 for Penn State is pretty bad. You would think, okay? 1185 01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:46,800 Penn State, that's a team that should be like right up there 1186 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,900 with Ohio State and Michigan, but they just don't have a lot 1187 01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:52,700 in the hopper. They're not ranked coming into 1188 01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:55,500 the season. Michigan state is projected with 1189 01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:58,100 slightly more wins. Even though I think they're a 1190 01:01:58,107 --> 01:02:02,700 big regression candidate and it just looks like I think Penn 1191 01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:06,300 State is going to struggle against big teams, but this is 1192 01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:09,500 also a Penn State. It's very physical, they're very 1193 01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:13,900 well, put together, they're very solid and I can easily see Penn 1194 01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:18,000 State losing a bunch of, you know, they got a, they got to go 1195 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,400 to Purdue, they could lose that game. 1196 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,200 They got to go to Auburn. They got to go to Michigan. 1197 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,800 They got Ohio State of the home, they got Michigan State at home. 1198 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,700 They could lose all of those games, but they could win 1199 01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:28,300 literally every other see game on their schedule, because I 1200 01:02:28,308 --> 01:02:30,900 think they're just better than all of those other teams that 1201 01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:33,000 they're playing, but, you know, not just the Indiana's, but the 1202 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,000 Minnesota's, and, and the Maryland's in the Rutgers. 1203 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,700 So, I I think Indiana could be competitive in this and, you 1204 01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:42,200 know, if Indiana gets some momentum, if they somehow beat 1205 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,500 Maryland and Rutgers, you never know. 1206 01:02:44,500 --> 01:02:46,100 I mean, they get a week off, they could roll in. 1207 01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:47,400 I just don't see that happening here. 1208 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:52,100 So, I'm gonna take Penn State in this one, the Penn State Penn 1209 01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:55,700 State's weird because when you look at the Big Ten eith, I'm 1210 01:02:55,707 --> 01:02:58,600 going to say, we're going to lose but I'll just talk. 1211 01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,000 Expertise lie for a second, Ohio State and Michigan are in a 1212 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,900 different category and people normally lump Penn State into 1213 01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:08,400 that. With them, but it's like, Penn 1214 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,400 State has been to one big ten title game, they always recruit 1215 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,600 pretty well, but it's like, it never seems to lead to enough. 1216 01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,300 And yet, we always play them, you know, tough. 1217 01:03:18,300 --> 01:03:22,600 But we never, we have a tough as tough a Time, beating Penn State 1218 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:27,500 and like things net outside of the penix play and the game in 1219 01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:31,400 2020, which maybe is Kismet every other time we play them 1220 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,900 lines up where it's like, oh, like, you know, they have the 1221 01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:39,200 huge scandal with Ski everyone shut off its like oh that's the 1222 01:03:39,207 --> 01:03:40,400 year. We have standards him on as a 1223 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,000 quarterback and we lose Lily 2:50 you know every time we have 1224 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,500 an opportunity to get a couple on Penn State. 1225 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,500 Something happens on our side too, they've never been a team 1226 01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:55,300 that frightens me, we play them way tougher than we should yet. 1227 01:03:55,300 --> 01:03:58,100 We never beat them outside of 2020. 1228 01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:01,100 I know we did, but it's like we're always. 1229 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,100 We're just always really close and can't get it done. 1230 01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:05,900 They don't scare me. It's not a team. 1231 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,900 They shouldn't be the In the world, like lumping in with Ohio 1232 01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:10,800 State and Michigan is like this threesome. 1233 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,400 It's not there. Not there. 1234 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,700 We every time we lose them it feels like it's only a 1235 01:04:14,700 --> 01:04:18,600 seven-point game all that said you know, we're not beating them 1236 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,100 this year. They're just there isn't enough 1237 01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:21,100 there. We're not going to beat him this 1238 01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:22,400 year. So yes, we're losing to them 1239 01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:25,100 next week. Indiana. 1240 01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:33,000 At Ohio State, not in the face. That's about all I can say about 1241 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,300 that one. Just just I mean almost a is 1242 01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:40,600 that Notre Dame is a top 10, ranked team? 1243 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,300 Yeah they are playing at the Horseshoe Notre. 1244 01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:48,400 Dame is also a hugely public tedious that people put money 1245 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,200 on. That Vegas knows. 1246 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,700 They are a 17 point Underdog. I will say James that I recorded 1247 01:04:55,700 --> 01:04:57,700 a podcast today. I never hit record if you like 1248 01:04:57,700 --> 01:05:01,100 such an idiot, but we are talking about this, I think The 1249 01:05:01,100 --> 01:05:05,300 goal for this game is not winning, is that you would like, 1250 01:05:05,300 --> 01:05:10,900 to go into that game and not be a 30-plus point Underdog to Ohio 1251 01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:13,800 State, like, you'd like to keep it at 28.5. 1252 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,400 Like just, let's not be a 30-point, dog at Ohio State 1253 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,600 going into the game. I just don't want to lose by 40 1254 01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,200 points. Plus, I mean, I don't care what 1255 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,500 the spread is. I would just prefer to cover it 1256 01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:30,300 even if it's by one point look Indiana's. 1257 01:05:30,300 --> 01:05:30,800 Play-Doh. Hi. 1258 01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:35,900 Yo, State at times in the last ten years, pretty competitively, 1259 01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:37,800 it hasn't always shown in the final score. 1260 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,200 Last year's game was an absolute Abomination. 1261 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,700 Like, if you sat through the rain at Memorial Stadium and 1262 01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:47,700 watch that game, you know, watching Indiana, Just 1263 01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:51,100 systematically Surrender in every phase of the game. 1264 01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:53,200 Is it went on was one of the more embarrassing parts of the 1265 01:05:53,207 --> 01:05:55,700 Year, despite the fact that everybody will have state was 1266 01:05:55,700 --> 01:05:57,800 awesome. But watching that happen was 1267 01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,500 really disappointing and you gotta go to the horseshoe. 1268 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,300 Maybe you capture, Ohio State looking past you as they should, 1269 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,200 but I just want to see Indiana compete a little bit in this 1270 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,300 game. And if compete means only losing 1271 01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:13,500 by 28, instead of 42, so be it. But I mean, there's, they're not 1272 01:06:13,500 --> 01:06:15,700 winning this game so it's not even worth talking about. 1273 01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:20,600 All right, at Michigan State, penultimate game of the season 1274 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,900 for Indiana. So, we've talked a lot in other 1275 01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:26,700 podcasts about Michigan State, probably being a little 1276 01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:29,800 overrated, their 15th coming into this season, and yet, there 1277 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:34,400 are pro I'll Focus projection is only seven point Four Winds. 1278 01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:39,700 This is a team that looks primed for some degree of regression to 1279 01:06:39,700 --> 01:06:42,300 the mean. And you know, you look, you look 1280 01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:44,400 at what they did last year. Obviously, they deserve a huge 1281 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:49,200 amount of Applause for going 11 and to that, you know, they'll 1282 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,200 really only had one bad game all year. 1283 01:06:51,300 --> 01:06:54,800 They like many other teams got obliterated by Ohio State, but 1284 01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,000 they did so much good the rest of the season. 1285 01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,900 If only they hadn't lost to Purdue, I mean, who knows what 1286 01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:00,800 happens? You know, down? 1287 01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:04,800 Stretch with them in terms of, you know the new year six bowls 1288 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,600 or stuff like that. But the sneaky thing about them 1289 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,400 last year is kind of a sneaky thing about Indiana. 1290 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,200 The previous year which is that they made hey against a bunch of 1291 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,800 really bad teams. You know, you look at their 1292 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,900 first ten games of the season, they did beat Michigan and I'm 1293 01:07:20,900 --> 01:07:21,900 not going to take that away from them. 1294 01:07:21,908 --> 01:07:25,100 But it's a rivalry game against a Michigan team that they just 1295 01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:27,400 seem to own you. Look at the rest of the teams. 1296 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,800 They beat Northwestern, Youngstown State Miami. 1297 01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:33,400 Team that ended up firing their coach at the end of the year. 1298 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:39,100 Nebraska Western Kentucky. Rutgers Indiana Purdue Maryland 1299 01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:42,700 like that, was there, that was there wins, you know, and yes 1300 01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:44,500 they did beat Penn State at the tail end of the season. 1301 01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:47,000 I don't take that away but like most of their wins came against 1302 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,400 pretty subpar competition and even struggled against Indiana 1303 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,500 who was on on Vapors at that point. 1304 01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:55,800 Like they barely beat that. Indiana thing, go back and watch 1305 01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,500 that tape this year. The one thing that's really 1306 01:07:59,500 --> 01:08:03,400 interesting about them, is they they've got some sneaky 1307 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,200 interesting games on the schedule, they got to go to 1308 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,200 Washington for the Michael penix experience. 1309 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,300 Hopefully, Michael is still starting by week 3, they got to 1310 01:08:10,308 --> 01:08:13,500 go to Maryland, they had Ohio State at home, Wisconsin at 1311 01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:16,100 home, and they're at Michigan and in there at Illinois, in a 1312 01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:19,899 four week span, from October leading into December or deceit 1313 01:08:19,899 --> 01:08:21,600 to November. I couldn't we play them in that 1314 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:22,700 Illinois. Now, thought like I would love 1315 01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:25,399 to get him a oh, the Ohio state Wisconsin. 1316 01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:26,600 Michigan. And let me get him after that. 1317 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,800 Yeah, I know, I know. But instead of Rutgers does but 1318 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,000 but look, I don't think. I know that Michigan state is so 1319 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,600 good that they're going to just cruise through all of that. 1320 01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:40,100 And I think they could come into that Indiana game with maybe a 6 1321 01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:43,899 and 4 record, or 5, and 5 record or something like that. 1322 01:08:43,899 --> 01:08:46,700 I think it's entirely in the cards for this Michigan State 1323 01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:50,000 team. That said, I mean, it's hard for 1324 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,700 me to Envision, I mean, to 2019, Indiana team who was 1325 01:08:52,700 --> 01:08:57,100 significantly better. Lost at Michigan State against, 1326 01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:59,800 what was a, not a great Michigan State team that year. 1327 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,800 I have a hard time seeing Indiana Waltzing in to Spartan 1328 01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,600 Stadium and knocking off Michigan State this year. 1329 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,600 So I'm going to I'm going to mark that down as another L. 1330 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,700 I do think if Indiana was playing Michigan State at home, 1331 01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:13,600 this year may be a different story but they're not agreed. 1332 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,300 Maybe if they play him in a different, a different time of 1333 01:09:16,300 --> 01:09:17,899 the year they there. Unfortunately. 1334 01:09:17,899 --> 01:09:19,899 That that stretch is going to be rough for the on there at 1335 01:09:19,899 --> 01:09:22,100 Washington for Michigan State there at Washington like I said, 1336 01:09:22,100 --> 01:09:25,200 Ohio state Wisconsin, Michigan. At Michigan. 1337 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,500 But then they get a little bit of get right playing at 1338 01:09:27,500 --> 01:09:30,500 Illinois, Rutgers at home, and then they get Indiana at home. 1339 01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,500 The home back-to-back. I don't like either. 1340 01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:37,700 So and again, what I will say is that to me, Michigan, state is 1341 01:09:37,899 --> 01:09:41,000 really the team that we got to keep our eye on as Indiana fans 1342 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,300 and how we play against them. And this is a game that I think 1343 01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:48,200 is, is a huge game because, you know, I was joking about Penn 1344 01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,200 State, but, you know, you have Ohio State, you have Michigan, 1345 01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:55,700 you have Penn State, and then if If we get to a point where 1346 01:09:55,700 --> 01:09:58,700 Michigan state is just a bridge too far, and like I said 1347 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,800 earlier, pods, you know, the last six years were three and 1348 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,000 three against them. We have a second, second place 1349 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,900 finish in the Big 10 East, they don't. 1350 01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:10,000 And a lot of our winds have been more lopsided toward us. 1351 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,400 And a lot of our losses have been really close games. 1352 01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:15,000 I would say that we've been better in that series over six 1353 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,700 years, in a lot of different ways. 1354 01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,600 If we let them kind of, you know, get ahead of us by a 1355 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,500 furlong. So to speak in horse racing 1356 01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:25,700 terms, that's not good because We can't be at the bottom with 1357 01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:28,400 Rutgers and Maryland death fighting for one or two wins 1358 01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,800 every year and maybe, you know, they get rid of Divisions but 1359 01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,700 it's like Michigan, State's a great avatar for where we want 1360 01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:36,400 to be as a program. Where if things break, right? 1361 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,000 You can win a couple of those games. 1362 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,800 So it's just I'm very curious to this game. 1363 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:41,900 I don't think we're going to win. 1364 01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:44,100 But if this is a game again where it's like a thirty eight 1365 01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:47,100 to ten, or just a complete beat down, I think I think you need 1366 01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,900 to throw some Sirens off because sure, you can get smoked by Ohio 1367 01:10:50,900 --> 01:10:52,500 State and gets poked by Michigan. 1368 01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:56,500 But if you're letting State get to a point where you can't see 1369 01:10:56,500 --> 01:10:58,500 them. They're taillights anymore. 1370 01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:01,000 You've got a, you've got a problem. 1371 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,300 That means this is really gone off the rails in two years. 1372 01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:07,100 Anyway, Finally, the old Oaken Bucket game. 1373 01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:10,500 Anything can happen? It's true. 1374 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:11,900 I say it all the time but it's true. 1375 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:17,600 So two things about this. First of all, the level to which 1376 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,700 Purdue fans act like they're put upon and football and then they 1377 01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:25,700 get this brown bunny of a schedule where they have, they 1378 01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:30,600 have one ranked opponent all season right now and it's 1379 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,600 Wisconsin on the road, the rest of their schedule even unranked. 1380 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:39,300 State team, Indiana State at Syracuse FAU at Minnesota at 1381 01:11:39,300 --> 01:11:43,900 Maryland, Nebraska at Wisconsin, Iowa and Illinois Northwestern 1382 01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:45,500 at Indiana. I mean, good. 1383 01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:48,100 God honestly, it's an embarrassment. 1384 01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:49,900 If you're pretty, when you don't go ten and two against the 1385 01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:52,500 schedule and I wanted to write that down, put it in the on 1386 01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:54,900 letters. That's an embarrassment. 1387 01:11:54,900 --> 01:11:58,300 If you don't go 10 and to that, that is, that is a cakewalk of a 1388 01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:01,600 schedule for Purdue and it just, it's, it looks Prime for a 1389 01:12:01,608 --> 01:12:03,700 little bit of underachievement, but this is a Purdue team that 1390 01:12:03,700 --> 01:12:07,000 because of how much of it Cakewalk that schedule is is 1391 01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:10,800 projected to win seven point, eight games this year by PFF 1392 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:16,700 college and I think it's worth noting unfortunately for IU and 1393 01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:20,100 the Tom Allen experiment that Alan's only beaten Purdue once 1394 01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:25,000 during his time at IU and it was you know that multiple overtime 1395 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,800 game that they played up in Ross Aid in the 2019 season. 1396 01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:33,500 When Peyton Ramsey pulled the game out of the mouth of the 1397 01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:36,600 tiger a couple of times Managed to figure out a way to win it, 1398 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,000 Purdue really right of the ship last year and they do deserve 1399 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,900 some credit for that but this year it feels like everything's 1400 01:12:41,900 --> 01:12:47,500 lined up for Purdue to compete. I mean, action of an 8% chance 1401 01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:51,400 to win the conference there in the Western Division. 1402 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,800 And you look at the teams over there, it's like I mean 1403 01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,900 Minnesota is favored to win a little bit more like half a 1404 01:12:59,907 --> 01:13:01,800 game. More Wisconsin's actually 1405 01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,600 projected have slightly fewer wins. 1406 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,200 Is Iowa's projected to have slightly fewer wins. 1407 01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,300 I mean these are decimal points, we're talking about here but you 1408 01:13:10,300 --> 01:13:13,500 look at that that Division and you say you know, produce got as 1409 01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:17,200 good a chance as any of them to win that Division and get to the 1410 01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,900 conference title game, which would be disgusting. 1411 01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,500 And that makes this IU game very important for them and it may be 1412 01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:25,500 at a point where it's not that important Indiana. 1413 01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:30,100 This is the kind of game that if Indiana's within three games of 1414 01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:34,200 Purdue going into this game, this is a game Indiana. 1415 01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,300 Be expected to win at home because it's the bucket game and 1416 01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:40,500 because they should be playing over their heads on this. 1417 01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:45,300 I doubt that will happen though because as we've seen so far in 1418 01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:51,800 the Tom Allen era they've struggled to play against teams 1419 01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:54,600 Purdue teams that were kind of at their same level, you know. 1420 01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,900 They they lose in that game that you. 1421 01:13:56,900 --> 01:13:59,900 And I went to in 2017. Indiana does up in Ross Aid. 1422 01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:04,400 The following year in 2018, Purdue wins by 2821 again. 1423 01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,600 This Time in Memorial Stadium. They did win in 2019 and that 1424 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,400 rain-soaked game 41. Or 4441 was the final Indiana. 1425 01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:15,000 Didn't get to play them in 2020, which is a shame because I think 1426 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,900 they would have beaten Purdue again, because pretty wasn't 1427 01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:19,100 very good that year. And then last year, obviously, 1428 01:14:19,500 --> 01:14:21,500 it wasn't even like those two teams weren't shouldn't even 1429 01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:23,000 know in the same field with each other. 1430 01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,600 That's how Superior Purdue was in that game. 1431 01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,400 I can't pick Indiana in this game. 1432 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,800 Like the nothing that's happened. 1433 01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:34,000 The last year-and-a-half would tell me that Indiana's put 1434 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,600 themselves in a position. To beat Purdue. 1435 01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:38,600 So I yeah, I think unfortunately, I got to pick 1436 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,000 Purdue in this man. What about you? 1437 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,400 I was thinking of that 27 game that we went to and you and I 1438 01:14:44,407 --> 01:14:48,900 were both frustrated because of the time and I can't, I can't 1439 01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:51,300 remember all, but I remember at a time we had the discussion 1440 01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:55,200 that, you know, Purdue didn't have more Talent than Indiana. 1441 01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:57,500 I think Indiana was coming off of the Pinstripe. 1442 01:14:57,500 --> 01:15:00,400 Bowl that the year before Purdue was coming off of, like, 1443 01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:04,300 horrible season and the Indiana was carved the Foster Farms Bowl 1444 01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:05,800 the previous season. That's right. 1445 01:15:06,100 --> 01:15:07,200 That's right. That's right. 1446 01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:11,100 But it's like, you know, we were like the Indiana. 1447 01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,100 His Superior Talent or just has a better level of town of 1448 01:15:15,108 --> 01:15:16,900 nothing else. Our talent is equal, but yet we 1449 01:15:16,900 --> 01:15:19,500 both were pissed in the third quarter because we're like, 1450 01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:22,200 Purdue is just the way better Coach team just not making 1451 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,300 mistakes. Not making mental errors and, 1452 01:15:25,300 --> 01:15:28,500 you know, we've kind of always judged ourselves against, you 1453 01:15:28,500 --> 01:15:32,800 know, Brom, but to your point out Islands, only beaten them 1454 01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,800 one time. Again, 2020 probably would have 1455 01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,300 gotten a win, so it's a little bit unfair, but it is what it 1456 01:15:37,300 --> 01:15:39,900 is, but there's a lot of bad losses there. 1457 01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:42,700 And I would also say this That, you know, I'm still gonna have a 1458 01:15:42,708 --> 01:15:45,100 hard time getting the taste out of my mouth. 1459 01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:49,100 As I said earlier of how this team when things started to go 1460 01:15:49,100 --> 01:15:53,500 wrong, just completely quit on and everybody seemed to quit at 1461 01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:57,500 the end of last year and, you know, you and I both have us now 1462 01:15:57,500 --> 01:16:00,800 in our projections, losing four games in a row going into this 1463 01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,300 their own for there's not a chance of the bowl and 1464 01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,500 unfortunately going to have maybe again in our reality here 1465 01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:12,700 may be a tough loss at Rutgers a big loss to Penn A ass-kicking 1466 01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:15,800 at Ohio, State may be a tough loss of Michigan State. 1467 01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:20,500 Like, you have all the makings of another situation where all 1468 01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,400 the Alchemy is, right, for a team to kind of start quitting 1469 01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:28,700 again and does Alan. And this coaching staff does the 1470 01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:32,600 is there enough muscle memory to make sure this doesn't happen 1471 01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,000 again. I'm not sure. 1472 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,100 And that would be my fear. Is that a team? 1473 01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:38,900 It's on a five-game or a four-game losing streak in the 1474 01:16:38,900 --> 01:16:43,100 Big Ten, hope of a You know, successful quote-unquote season 1475 01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:46,600 is gone and in our scenarios that we have here, we haven't 1476 01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,900 gotten that big win, we're not playing for a bowl, so you're 1477 01:16:49,900 --> 01:16:53,300 not really playing for much. Does this team have what it 1478 01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:56,100 takes to kind of, you know, circle the wagons and get it 1479 01:16:56,100 --> 01:16:58,500 done. And I got to go off recent 1480 01:16:58,500 --> 01:17:01,200 history and I didn't see it last year and they really, really 1481 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,700 didn't circle the wagons and so I am with you. 1482 01:17:03,700 --> 01:17:05,800 I think they lose the Purdue. All right. 1483 01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,700 So let's jump back to the start of things. 1484 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,200 This Illinois game, I'm sorry. I made you wait till the last 1485 01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,700 second here, but I think, actually, this helps because a 1486 01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:16,700 lot of times you can get you and me, both can get carried away. 1487 01:17:16,700 --> 01:17:18,300 It's like, oh, they're gonna win this and then this. 1488 01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:21,000 And I think I like to avoid that with the first game. 1489 01:17:21,700 --> 01:17:23,000 So let's talk about this Illinois game. 1490 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,600 So this game at one point this summer, Indiana was favored by 1491 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,600 six. Yep. 1492 01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,200 The sharps have jumped all over this game in the last 24 hours 1493 01:17:32,300 --> 01:17:36,500 and Indiana is now favored by one and a half was five and a 1494 01:17:36,508 --> 01:17:39,400 half before Illinois beat Wyoming. 1495 01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,000 And then it went to three. I didn't know. 1496 01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:43,000 To move down to one and a half. Yeah, I'm looking at, I'm 1497 01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:44,900 looking at PFF college right now. 1498 01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:48,100 And right now, Indiana is a one and a half Point favorite, as 1499 01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:52,700 of, this is where this 1058 on Wednesday night, money, line for 1500 01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:56,700 Indiana is minus 136. Illinois is plus 1, 13. 1501 01:17:58,100 --> 01:18:06,200 Indiana overall is grading out, essentially as I've been the 1502 01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:12,800 slightest of favorites, in terms of the overall game, this is 1503 01:18:12,900 --> 01:18:17,700 almost essentially a toss-up on a neutral field and, or excuse 1504 01:18:17,700 --> 01:18:19,600 me a toss-up at home for Indiana, which means on a 1505 01:18:19,608 --> 01:18:22,400 neutral field, that Illinois would probably be slightly 1506 01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,200 favored. Now, Illinois, I didn't look 1507 01:18:25,300 --> 01:18:27,600 awesome in that game against Wyoming. 1508 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,800 They search, you know, they Wyoming is not very good. 1509 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,600 So it's hard to take a whole lot out of that game. 1510 01:18:32,900 --> 01:18:36,800 But Illinois did look competent. And there's, you know, there's 1511 01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,600 the arguments either way, it's like, is it an advantage or a 1512 01:18:40,608 --> 01:18:42,800 disadvantage that your opponents haven't seen you? 1513 01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:45,600 You know, I'm sure Indiana would argue. 1514 01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,100 Well, it's an advantage because they don't know what we're going 1515 01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:48,200 to do. Illinois is going to be like, 1516 01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,400 well, it's an advantage because the more depth chart. 1517 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:51,900 Right? Well yeah, you know, he's gonna 1518 01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:54,300 probably argue, hey, it's an advantage because we got to play 1519 01:18:54,300 --> 01:18:57,400 a game with each other and actually it's funny. 1520 01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,900 I think for Illinois it might be less of an advantage than it 1521 01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:03,600 would have been for Indiana. Because Indiana has a bunch of 1522 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,800 guys that have never played together on offense before, you 1523 01:19:06,808 --> 01:19:08,600 know? So it almost wish that the roles 1524 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:13,700 were a little bit reversed here but clearly, this is a game 1525 01:19:13,700 --> 01:19:18,800 between I mean two teams that aren't great or even necessarily 1526 01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,400 good. These are two teams that are 1527 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,500 going to struggle for the course of the season to claw enough 1528 01:19:24,500 --> 01:19:28,200 wins together to get to bowl eligibility right now, Illinois, 1529 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:32,400 with that win their projected at 6.5 wins on the season Indiana's 1530 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:36,700 projected at 4.4, which is tied for last in the conference with 1531 01:19:36,700 --> 01:19:40,600 Rutgers. I think if I saw correctly, Bill 1532 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,800 Connolly's sfp+ predictions. Actually have this game. 1533 01:19:43,900 --> 01:19:46,900 As a 23:23 tie which can't happen. 1534 01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:50,400 But it essentially it I think it rates out to Illinois winning by 1535 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:54,400 one in his projections. So either way, you want to look 1536 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,100 at this from an analytics perspective. 1537 01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:00,100 This is a game that the computers can't decide between 1538 01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:04,100 the two teams so I'll ask you first. 1539 01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:09,600 How do you see this going? And, you know, let's just let's 1540 01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,600 just kick stick with that. How do you see this going? 1541 01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,100 So be smarter than a computer. Right. 1542 01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:17,400 You're asking? Yes, I'm I will say this. 1543 01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:19,500 I want to give you a compliment happy. 1544 01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:24,900 You did this the way you did. Because I had some very big 1545 01:20:24,900 --> 01:20:27,100 thoughts about Illinois and I think it connects to, it would 1546 01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:29,000 have messed up my whole well done. 1547 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,100 I'm saving this fast. So yeah, against what I do. 1548 01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:37,200 All right here, you're a pro. Here's my thought we talked 1549 01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,400 about the Idaho game. This is a must-win game like 1550 01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,200 this is because and this is where I would have gotten this. 1551 01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,200 All It. But I do believe this. 1552 01:20:45,500 --> 01:20:48,500 If you can't be Illinois and home, you're not going to beat 1553 01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:49,900 Nebraska. You're not get, you're not going 1554 01:20:49,900 --> 01:20:52,000 to beat Mario. You're not going to tell me as a 1555 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,900 fan. That this team has what it takes 1556 01:20:53,900 --> 01:20:56,000 to beat Nebraska to beat Maryland to be truck. 1557 01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,400 Maybe Rutgers, but there's nobody else in the schedule in 1558 01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,500 the Big Ten that I think you can beat if you can't be Illinois. 1559 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:06,000 And I've lived through so many seasons where we have, you know, 1560 01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,400 a really close loss. And then we have the post game 1561 01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,900 where it's like, man, we were so close and you were getting there 1562 01:21:11,900 --> 01:21:15,400 and we have a lot to build on And you know, to me it's like 1563 01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,900 that's all out the window. This is a results game. 1564 01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:20,700 You've not told us anything that's fine. 1565 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,600 Last year was a blip, that's fine, go out and win a game. 1566 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,400 Like I do not care how you do it, you can do it by 30. 1567 01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,500 You can do it by 3, and then we can discuss things later, but we 1568 01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:32,300 are now in a results business, with this team. 1569 01:21:32,300 --> 01:21:35,700 I'm tired of, hey, we're going to have four wins, we're moving 1570 01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:37,600 in the right direction. Like, no, no, we moved in the 1571 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,700 right direction, five years ago, we are now in the Direction 1572 01:21:40,700 --> 01:21:43,600 Where We want to be and that's a team that wins. 1573 01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,200 At home against Illinois, a team that you're only four spots 1574 01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,100 below and SP plus not saying that's like the Bible. 1575 01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:53,500 But this is not a bridge too far, and if you can't beat this 1576 01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:56,500 team, Rutgers is the only other team you're going to play in the 1577 01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:58,300 Big Ten. That's, that's similar to this 1578 01:21:58,300 --> 01:22:03,000 team in a rankings scenario. So if you want any kind of fan 1579 01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,900 support this year, you got to win this game because you don't 1580 01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:06,400 win this. I mean, I'm still a fan. 1581 01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,800 I'll still go but it's like I'm not going to go expecting to win 1582 01:22:08,900 --> 01:22:13,400 any other game because it'll be based on literally, no evidence. 1583 01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:17,300 If you It win this game. So you have to come in. 1584 01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,600 You have to win this game. This is a great matchup for 1585 01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,100 Indiana. That needs them in so much 1586 01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:23,500 better. We're not playing like Penn 1587 01:22:23,500 --> 01:22:25,500 State or Michigan State, or Ohio State. 1588 01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:31,500 So, all it's so important. You have to win this game. 1589 01:22:32,100 --> 01:22:33,500 All that said, I think we're gonna lose. 1590 01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:36,600 I'll say all that. Like I do think. 1591 01:22:36,700 --> 01:22:40,700 I think we're going to lose. I think it's going to be tight. 1592 01:22:41,300 --> 01:22:45,300 I just, I will go back to To everything that we talked about. 1593 01:22:45,300 --> 01:22:48,700 There are question marks. You know, if we were going into 1594 01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:51,800 this season and we didn't know who the quarterback was and we 1595 01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,600 had a new defensive coordinator, I think you. 1596 01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,400 And I would both be talking. That's a lot of question marks 1597 01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,700 going in this year, we have that. 1598 01:22:57,700 --> 01:22:59,600 Plus, we don't know who our running backs are we don't know 1599 01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,900 who are our best wide. Receiver is a guy who played 1600 01:23:01,900 --> 01:23:04,600 quarterback last year. We don't know anybody else. 1601 01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:06,400 We have a new offensive coordinator. 1602 01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:11,500 Just tons and tons of questions on a hiss team that historically 1603 01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:15,400 has just not done. Well, with answering questions, 1604 01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,100 not done well coming back from Bad years and you can say, 1605 01:23:18,100 --> 01:23:21,600 alright, well things can be different but there's just 1606 01:23:21,900 --> 01:23:25,400 noodles of history on my side and just like we've been in this 1607 01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:29,900 scenario many times and the same thing happens over and over 1608 01:23:29,900 --> 01:23:32,800 again, and the seat feels like a team that's going to lose to 1609 01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,300 Illinois. Beat Idaho, beat, Western 1610 01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:37,200 Kentucky. And then be like, all right, and 1611 01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:38,500 we're kind of moving in the right direction. 1612 01:23:38,500 --> 01:23:39,900 And then we're just gonna have a bunch of losses. 1613 01:23:39,900 --> 01:23:42,200 After that, we talked about, you know, finding the right way. 1614 01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:45,000 We're so close and tough losses. Has and all that BS. 1615 01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:48,700 But I will say to the team, I'd love to be proven wrong. 1616 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:50,200 I don't think it's going to be a blow. 1617 01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,300 I think it's going to be really, really, really close, but I 1618 01:23:53,308 --> 01:23:55,700 think we're going to lose. I think that's an eminently 1619 01:23:55,700 --> 01:23:57,800 Fair. I've really gone back and forth 1620 01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:02,600 on this one, a bunch. And I've I think that The one 1621 01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:07,200 thing about this game that I think might not be a Harbinger 1622 01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:11,500 one way or another, the rest of the season is I think there's 1623 01:24:11,500 --> 01:24:15,600 going to be a lot of residual. We want to go out and prove 1624 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:20,900 something attitudes among the players because they've heard a 1625 01:24:20,900 --> 01:24:24,500 lot this offseason and for the people that were coming back 1626 01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:28,900 last season about how inadequate they are at the various things 1627 01:24:28,900 --> 01:24:31,500 that they're doing. And, you know, I think this 1628 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:35,200 Defense does feel slept on and they've been pretty quiet on it 1629 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,000 throughout the course of the offseason. 1630 01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,700 I think that the offense even though it is kind of put 1631 01:24:40,700 --> 01:24:42,900 together with duct tape right now. 1632 01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:47,700 In terms of the lineup, I do think that there's, there's a 1633 01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:50,700 different approach being taken, that's going to be better than 1634 01:24:50,700 --> 01:24:55,200 last year, and, you know, as long as they can get adequate 1635 01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,900 blocking. And this is probably a good game 1636 01:24:56,900 --> 01:25:00,200 for the, for this for this IU team because I don't think 1637 01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:04,300 Illinois is Is in the Personnel shape to really be able to 1638 01:25:04,300 --> 01:25:07,800 adequately test. The IU offense of wine in the 1639 01:25:07,808 --> 01:25:11,200 way that a Michigan or a Penn State or an Ohio state would. 1640 01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:14,700 And even if they are, I don't think that they got a very good. 1641 01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:20,300 Proving Ground game last week against Wyoming to some degree. 1642 01:25:20,300 --> 01:25:22,900 I almost wonder if that might have given them a little too 1643 01:25:22,900 --> 01:25:25,800 much confidence in their ability to stop an opposing offense. 1644 01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:31,000 So this is tough because you know, I know this is not me 1645 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,900 being optimistic, this is me thinking. 1646 01:25:33,900 --> 01:25:38,300 All right, this is a game that is winnable because of the 1647 01:25:38,300 --> 01:25:40,300 opponent. It's also winnable because of 1648 01:25:40,300 --> 01:25:43,500 the circumstance, so I think Indiana again, like you said, 1649 01:25:43,500 --> 01:25:45,400 it's a close game. I do think that that they win 1650 01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,100 this one. And it's probably not that high 1651 01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:50,100 scoring of a game because I think Indiana is going to 1652 01:25:50,100 --> 01:25:52,600 struggle a lot on offense. I think Illinois is likely going 1653 01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,100 to struggle on offense because of Indiana's defense. 1654 01:25:55,700 --> 01:25:59,100 I think it could come down to some degree to special teams and 1655 01:25:59,100 --> 01:26:03,500 I think ultimately because Indiana is at home because it's 1656 01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:08,000 a night game because I think it'll be a fun atmosphere for 1657 01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,500 most of the game. I think Indiana wins this. 1658 01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:14,500 It'll be something like something dumb like 22:18 or 1659 01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:16,000 something. Like Bat where, you know, I 1660 01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:17,900 would take the under in this game because I think both of 1661 01:26:17,907 --> 01:26:20,400 these teams are going to struggle to score, and I think 1662 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,400 it's going to be frustrating for both fan bases to watch. 1663 01:26:23,500 --> 01:26:25,600 But I'll take Indiana with the win in this one. 1664 01:26:25,900 --> 01:26:29,200 I don't feel good about it and I'll probably be eating my words 1665 01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,700 when we podcast. Inevitably this coming Sunday, 1666 01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:36,500 but I'll take it. If that's the case, you know, if 1667 01:26:36,500 --> 01:26:40,000 Indiana loses, it will prove a lot of the things I have in the 1668 01:26:40,008 --> 01:26:43,200 back of my head about where this team is really at talent-wise 1669 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,200 and coaching wise and if they Win. 1670 01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,600 Then it gives me a glimmer of hope that perhaps they figured 1671 01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,700 some things out that they needed to figure out in the offseason 1672 01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:53,700 and I hope they win. I mean it would be a real shame 1673 01:26:53,700 --> 01:26:57,900 as you said to lose the fan base after the first game, because as 1674 01:26:57,900 --> 01:27:01,000 you said, if they lose this game, even though I don't think 1675 01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,400 it's going to be particularly well, attended at Scott, Dolson 1676 01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,000 said, you know, they're aiming for like the low 40s in 1677 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,200 attendance and that's almost entirely a product of the fact 1678 01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,400 that this is a high school football weekend and a lot of 1679 01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,400 people that I know who would normally be, there are not going 1680 01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,400 to be able to be there because they're going to be a South of 1681 01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:19,100 the going to be it you know, whatever teams are playing but 1682 01:27:19,100 --> 01:27:22,500 it would be a shame for people to wake up on Saturday morning 1683 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,600 or come home on Friday night, turn on the game and be like, 1684 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,700 well that's what I expected and no wonder I wasn't excited about 1685 01:27:29,700 --> 01:27:33,300 things so so I do think Indiana wins this just to recap. 1686 01:27:34,100 --> 01:27:38,300 This means Scott ended up with a projection of 3 and 9 for the 1687 01:27:38,308 --> 01:27:42,900 season with Indiana, beating Idaho, Western Kentucky and 1688 01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:46,600 Maryland and that's it. It means Ins and I'm disgusted 1689 01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:47,900 in myself. This is some degree. 1690 01:27:47,900 --> 01:27:50,700 Means I finish with a five and seven projection because I had 1691 01:27:50,700 --> 01:27:55,600 Indiana beating Illinois, Idaho. Western Kentucky, Nebraska and 1692 01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,600 Maryland, but both of us basically had Indiana. 1693 01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:03,400 No, no longer winning after the 15th of October which when you 1694 01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,100 think about it, that's pretty much. 1695 01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:07,700 That's, that's our brand. That's an Indiana, that's it. 1696 01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,500 But look, I think honestly, I think that might be the, the 1697 01:28:13,500 --> 01:28:16,200 upper and lower bounds of what this Deanna team can accomplish. 1698 01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:19,400 I mean, I think a three win season would be a disaster. 1699 01:28:19,700 --> 01:28:23,200 I think that would really, would be very hard to look at a three 1700 01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,600 win season and say that things are going in the right 1701 01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,500 direction. And this is what, You Know, Dan 1702 01:28:27,500 --> 01:28:29,600 was talking about on the podcast you did with him. 1703 01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:33,200 That would be a real clear indicator, that the momentum 1704 01:28:33,500 --> 01:28:36,500 really has died out. I think a five wins season is 1705 01:28:36,500 --> 01:28:39,500 one of those where it's not a success, but it's also not a 1706 01:28:39,500 --> 01:28:42,400 failure, you know, you more than double your wind total. 1707 01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:43,900 You want a road game in the Big Ten? 1708 01:28:43,900 --> 01:28:46,100 You win three big. Ten games, you know, she go 3 1709 01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:49,600 and 6 in conference, you still don't go to a bowl and you 1710 01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,400 probably have games like yeah, you know, but you but, you know, 1711 01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:55,800 you're looking at that Purdue. Now, I will say this, in this 1712 01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:59,100 scenario there five and six going into the Purdue game 1713 01:28:59,700 --> 01:29:00,800 playing for a bowl. Yeah. 1714 01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,000 Which you know I think in the eyes of a lot of people would be 1715 01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:08,500 at least a move forward for IU and I moved back to somewhat of 1716 01:29:08,500 --> 01:29:10,800 the normalcy that they had established to the first four 1717 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,800 years. So we'll see, you know that and 1718 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,200 that's something I got onto with Martha. 1719 01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:18,200 Like to me that's I think in the end I think that would be a very 1720 01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,800 successful Seasons. We can be playing for a bowl in 1721 01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:24,900 the Oaken Bucket game. That would be great. 1722 01:29:24,900 --> 01:29:26,800 I think we're going to get, I don't think we have to win it, 1723 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,800 you win the bucket. We beat Purdue and get to a 1724 01:29:28,808 --> 01:29:30,300 bowl. But you know when you look back 1725 01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:34,000 on Allen's ten-year-old, you talk about, you know, being in 1726 01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,700 the right direction. And again, if 2021 is a blip, 1727 01:29:36,700 --> 01:29:40,200 it's based on the fact that even the years we didn't make a bowl, 1728 01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,100 we were playing for a Bowl against Purdue. 1729 01:29:42,100 --> 01:29:44,600 And so that, that is, that does mean. 1730 01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:48,300 Nothing when you're you know, so close to the edges of Indiana. 1731 01:29:48,300 --> 01:29:51,200 You're really on that, you know, Mendoza Line I think that's 1732 01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:52,800 important. I think it's a big difference 1733 01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,000 being in that game with five wins versus Four Winds like that 1734 01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,000 that just makes a big difference because at least there's some 1735 01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,300 hope if you're going with four wins. 1736 01:30:00,300 --> 01:30:01,900 It's like, all right, well, we're not playing for really 1737 01:30:01,900 --> 01:30:03,300 anything. Yeah. 1738 01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:09,000 Well, we'll see, I mean look, there's a lot of intrigue, not 1739 01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,000 nationally, and probably not even with a large part of the 1740 01:30:11,008 --> 01:30:13,000 fan base, like a large part of the fan base is kind of written 1741 01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,700 off IU football. Which is a shame, but it was 1742 01:30:16,700 --> 01:30:18,700 bound to happen. Given what happened last year? 1743 01:30:18,700 --> 01:30:21,800 Like, it was, it was as predictable as the sun coming up 1744 01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,100 in the East. But, you know, for those of us 1745 01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:27,400 who have been in this thing for the Long Haul Scott, we know 1746 01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:32,900 we've been here before and it's kind of like, you know, I'm 1747 01:30:32,900 --> 01:30:39,400 curious what we see, because I just don't know, and I can't 1748 01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:43,300 remember like even though last year when entirely off the 1749 01:30:43,300 --> 01:30:48,100 rails, I I you know, I knew what we would get, it was exactly 1750 01:30:48,100 --> 01:30:52,000 wrong but I knew going in and I can't think of the last season 1751 01:30:52,500 --> 01:30:56,700 where we went into the year not having no clue what we were 1752 01:30:56,700 --> 01:30:58,900 going to get. Maybe Kevin Wilson's like third 1753 01:30:58,900 --> 01:31:01,400 season, where it's like they had to put this together or is it 1754 01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:05,200 going to be another like three or four win year and you know if 1755 01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,100 that was a weird year that they got was 2013. 1756 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,200 That is the last time I can, it's been a decade basically 1757 01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:13,700 since I felt like I had no clue what to expect out of the team 1758 01:31:13,700 --> 01:31:14,800 and that's essentially where I've been. 1759 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,800 All summer, and I don't even know if that's going to get 1760 01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,700 solved in the first three weeks of the Season. 1761 01:31:20,700 --> 01:31:22,600 Like it, I think it's really going to get to that Cincinnati 1762 01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,000 game before we really have a sense of what this team looks 1763 01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,900 like. I've never been as curious for a 1764 01:31:28,907 --> 01:31:32,000 season as I am for this one. Any I just projected three wins. 1765 01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:36,200 So I don't think we're going to be great but exactly to your 1766 01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:38,800 point you come in and previous years and at least it's like all 1767 01:31:38,808 --> 01:31:42,400 right I know I know what I'm envisioned. 1768 01:31:42,700 --> 01:31:44,800 A good Michael penix, I envisioned a bad boy. 1769 01:31:44,900 --> 01:31:46,900 Michael penix. I envisioned a good bench, apple 1770 01:31:46,900 --> 01:31:48,500 and vision. A good son failed. 1771 01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:51,200 I know the the offense that this team likes to run. 1772 01:31:51,700 --> 01:31:53,500 I don't know any of that and nobody does. 1773 01:31:53,500 --> 01:31:55,800 Like, I mean, and even with Walt Bell, it's like, all right. 1774 01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:57,300 Well he was an offensive coordinator. 1775 01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,300 But that was like, what six years ago, he was a head coach 1776 01:31:59,300 --> 01:32:02,300 for six years. Like he, and it seems like he 1777 01:32:02,300 --> 01:32:04,000 has all hands off at he could. I'm not saying it's gonna 1778 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,100 happen, he could just be like, hey, we're gonna go air raid. 1779 01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,300 The core just, I picked up Western Michigan's Playbook last 1780 01:32:09,300 --> 01:32:11,900 year, we were there. We're just going to go nuts and 1781 01:32:11,900 --> 01:32:14,800 just, we're going straight deep routes all the time we could. 1782 01:32:14,900 --> 01:32:17,700 That we could go nothing but for yard runs. 1783 01:32:17,700 --> 01:32:20,100 We could go with no running backs and just we're going to 1784 01:32:20,100 --> 01:32:23,100 use the pass as a run. We're going to go no passing and 1785 01:32:23,100 --> 01:32:26,100 just go running 42 yards every single time. 1786 01:32:26,100 --> 01:32:29,200 Like, we could do, I formation, like, Wishbone. 1787 01:32:29,300 --> 01:32:32,300 Like I have no idea. It's all on the tents. 1788 01:32:32,300 --> 01:32:34,500 All the table. We could have flea flickers or 1789 01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:36,900 daughter than McCauley playing. This could be. 1790 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:41,500 It's a little bit of like we got a tiny bit of this, in the Bill, 1791 01:32:41,500 --> 01:32:45,100 Lynch era where he would run some just wild plays the Middle 1792 01:32:45,100 --> 01:32:46,600 of games. Like what are you doing? 1793 01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:49,100 Like you're lining up. You'll five wide receivers on 1794 01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:52,900 one side and like it is the, I don't know who's going to play. 1795 01:32:52,900 --> 01:32:55,000 I don't know who the quarterback is, I don't know the style we're 1796 01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:56,900 going to play. I don't know what jerseys were 1797 01:32:56,907 --> 01:32:59,500 going to have fun. Like I just I do not know what's 1798 01:32:59,500 --> 01:33:03,400 coming out of that tunnel and for me that's that's interesting 1799 01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,700 because we just haven't seen that before. 1800 01:33:05,700 --> 01:33:09,800 I'm not sure it's going to result in a lot of wins, but I 1801 01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,200 am very intrigued and like we said in one of the other ones 1802 01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:18,400 you have this dichotomy of Was 20, 21, the blip, or was 2022 1803 01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:23,400 the 2020 or 2022 blip? And it feels like that might be 1804 01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:25,700 solved with a lot of these these questions. 1805 01:33:25,700 --> 01:33:29,400 But it's to me, it's this is a fascinating year and I'm I 1806 01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,500 wouldn't miss this one game for anything. 1807 01:33:31,500 --> 01:33:34,800 So I think it's going to be just a lot of stuff will be revealed 1808 01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,200 in my mind. I think I'm going to know a lot 1809 01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:37,500 more at the end of the Illinois. Gave him. 1810 01:33:37,500 --> 01:33:39,800 I could be wrong to where I just felt like I need two more games 1811 01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:44,100 to figure this team out but it's I couldn't even tell you what 1812 01:33:44,100 --> 01:33:45,900 the first four. Plays are going to look like. 1813 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,900 Now, I or the first four quarters. 1814 01:33:49,100 --> 01:33:51,600 It's just like, the whole thing's a mystery and look, we 1815 01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,300 anyone noticed like we talked this whole podcast we really 1816 01:33:54,300 --> 01:33:57,900 talk about players too much because what do you say like? 1817 01:33:57,900 --> 01:34:00,500 I mean I think we're right. There's no depth, good point. 1818 01:34:00,500 --> 01:34:04,200 Yeah right. Can't blame us for that one of 1819 01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:08,000 anyway. So um anyway I think we've gone 1820 01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,800 long enough. Good to be back with you Scott 1821 01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,800 and talking about this. Again, we programming note, 1822 01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,300 folks, what we're going to do You even though there's a Friday 1823 01:34:16,300 --> 01:34:18,800 game we're going to keep our North. 1824 01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,000 We haven't talked about this Scott I'm just letting you know 1825 01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,600 we're going to keep our normal Sunday podcast schedule, not 1826 01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:26,500 Saturday. We're going to give everybody an 1827 01:34:26,500 --> 01:34:29,800 extra day off ruminate on the game a little bit. 1828 01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,800 Let's enjoy calm it down. Slightly watch watch all the 1829 01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,100 good college football that's going to happen on Saturday and 1830 01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:38,500 then we'll be back Sunday morning we may do that when live 1831 01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:40,300 we're still playing around with the live things. 1832 01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:43,900 It depends on how awful Scott and I look at 9:30 in the 1833 01:34:43,900 --> 01:34:46,100 morning. When we drag ourselves out of 1834 01:34:46,100 --> 01:34:49,300 bed and say, let's talk how you football, this town and get me 1835 01:34:49,300 --> 01:34:50,500 some coffee. You know? 1836 01:34:50,500 --> 01:34:54,700 It's sometimes it's not pretty. So we might have to shower or 1837 01:34:54,700 --> 01:34:56,600 something. Before we do we go live. 1838 01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,500 But if we do, check us out on Twitch, we're going to try to go 1839 01:34:59,500 --> 01:35:02,200 live on Twitch. As I mentioned, the, the channel 1840 01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:05,100 is Crimson cast live on Twitch. Subscribe, you'll get a 1841 01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:08,300 notification, and we're going to probably do all of our Lives 1842 01:35:08,300 --> 01:35:12,400 stuff there while still putting the podcast out on the feeds. 1843 01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,100 A couple of other quick programming notes. 1844 01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,600 Normally during football season. And we're going to keep this 1845 01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:22,000 this year. We normally tape tape, we 1846 01:35:22,008 --> 01:35:24,700 normally record. There's no tape anymore. 1847 01:35:25,300 --> 01:35:26,800 You know. I made a Maxwell. 1848 01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,500 Yeah, Jonathan Wilson's recording. 1849 01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:34,400 Our podcasts know. We're, we normally record a 1850 01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:37,300 preview podcast on Thursday night or Friday. 1851 01:35:37,300 --> 01:35:39,500 Sometime during the day, depending on when the game is, 1852 01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:42,400 if it's an early game, sometimes we'll, we'll do it Thursday 1853 01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:44,800 night and sometimes just not both of us sometimes. 1854 01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:46,800 Just one of the other. There's normally going to be at 1855 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:50,400 least one other podcast that pops up during the week on the 1856 01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,900 feed. That'll be focusing on football. 1857 01:35:52,900 --> 01:35:54,600 Whether that's an interview or something else. 1858 01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,100 We try to bring folks in from around the IU Spectrum, to talk 1859 01:35:57,100 --> 01:35:59,700 about stuff. So we will have a decent amount 1860 01:35:59,700 --> 01:36:01,300 of content for you moving forward. 1861 01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,000 And if you have comments questions, whatever you can 1862 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:08,600 always reach us on Twitter at Crimson cast right in anytime. 1863 01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,800 You know, we don't get to every there's still comments and 1864 01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,000 questions we have from a couple days ago. 1865 01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,500 We don't get to all of them but you folks are always generous 1866 01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:17,100 with your time time and your thoughts and we always 1867 01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:19,400 appreciate that. So please keep those coming in, 1868 01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:23,600 we'd love to see them and we will be with you all season, 1869 01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,800 we're not going anywhere. We podcast it, through all the 1870 01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,300 last year and got it. We did that. 1871 01:36:28,300 --> 01:36:29,700 We're going to we're going to podcast. 1872 01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,600 I mean, it can't be much worse than it was last year. 1873 01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,700 And well, I didn't say it can't be worse. 1874 01:36:36,700 --> 01:36:38,100 I just had a can't be much worse. 1875 01:36:38,100 --> 01:36:41,200 It could be worse, but we'll be around all season. 1876 01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:42,700 So hopefully you folks around as well. 1877 01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:44,800 Scott, any final thoughts for? We wrap up. 1878 01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:46,300 We've gone long. Let's go. 1879 01:36:46,300 --> 01:36:47,100 Are you? Let's do it. 1880 01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:48,800 Alright, thank you, folks, for joining us. 1881 01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,400 Thanks to home-field apparel, our presenting sponsor here on 1882 01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:53,700 the back. Home network will be back on 1883 01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:55,800 Sunday as we recap Indiana. Illinois. 1884 01:36:55,900 --> 01:37:01,700 Hopefully want to know start to the season for the Hoosiers for 1885 01:37:01,700 --> 01:37:05,000 Scott, I'm Galen will catch you folks on the flip side bring 1886 01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:06,400 back the Bison. So long everybody.