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Welcome back to Crimson Cascade 

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and Clavio joining you here. 
It is Thursday the 19th of 

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September and Indiana Football 3
and O on the campaign looking 

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forward to another game this 
upcoming week as they take on 

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the Charlotte 49ers at Memorial 
Stadium and have a chance to 

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move to four and O for the first
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And it's been a really exciting 
last few weeks for this IU 

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football program. 
One of the people we wanted to 

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catch up with about the football
program was a guy who was pretty

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closely tied to it as a 
broadcaster. 

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And then before that, many years
ago as a player, Rhett Lewis of 

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the NFL Network and formerly 
color commentator on the IU 

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Football Radio Network, now 
doing sideline reporting for the

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Big 10 Network. 
And always one of our favorite 

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people to talk with as he always
has great insights on this team 

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and on football in general. 
So we got an interview coming up

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with him here in just a little 
bit talking through what he's 

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seen so far out of this team and
just the overall vibe coming out

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of that UCLA game as Indiana is 
still kind of basking in the 

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afterglow of that five days 
later. 

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We'll go ahead and get to our 

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interview with Rhett Lewis now. 
And as we move forward, just a 

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reminder, folks, we will have 
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podcast taking place on Sunday 
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So be sure to tune in for that. 
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IU football game, talking 
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quick preview of the next week. 
So again, here's our interview 

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with Rhett Lewis. 
And be sure to tune in this 

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coming Sunday as we recap 
Indiana and their game against 

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the Charlotte 49ers. 
All right, here we go. 

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And joining us on the show once 
again, we welcome him back after

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a couple of your absence. 
But he's familiar to most of you

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IU fans if you listen to any 
games on the radio last year. 

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Rhett Lewis, IU alum, IU 
football alum and new addition 

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to the Big 10 Network family of 
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Rhett, first of all, great to 
see you and congratulations on 

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that. 
We miss you here and IU 

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Radioland, but it's great to 
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Yeah, I appreciate that Galen. 
It's it's always great to chat 

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with you and always, you know, 
in awe of what you do with the 

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at the media school and and the 
great students that turn out. 

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I get to cross paths with a with
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both with Big 10 Network at NFL 
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So I I love that. 
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it was really bittersweet to 
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sure after two years. 
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your students who might TuneIn 
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live games in this especially if
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being attached to television 
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Is. 
Where this business is, it's not

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even where it's heading, it's 
where it is and it's only going 

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to get more impactful to be a 
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the shoulder programming, the 
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away and I have, I've seen that 
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So the more live events and live
games you can do in whatever 

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role I have done TV play by 
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Sideline. 
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where I'm going. 
It is wild to think about how 

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much the business is changing. 
And it's also, I was, I was 

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trying to tell my, my sports 
media industry class the other 

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day, you know, in 20 years ago 
you had maybe 1/3 of the games 

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were on television in a way that
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Now, not only is almost every 
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but a lot of FCS level games are
on television or streaming or in

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some way, shape or form are out 
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It's just a completely different
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Totally, totally. 
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when I got into the business, it
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getting a studio job and right. 
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work for a network and which is 
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And some of that stuff is still 
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it's just so much there. 
There's so few. 

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There's some like the, the the 
volume is just so much less now 

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on that front, so. 
Well, let's, let's talk a little

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bit. 
I mean, Speaking of things that 

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have changed. 
Yeah. 

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Hello, IU football. 
Where have you been all my life?

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Let's let's start with the 
remarkable events of this past 

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weekend. 
Indiana playing in the Rose Bowl

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in the building for the first 
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First Big 10 game for UCLA, a 
game that a lot of people had 

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decided to install as kind of 
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was at. 
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first two wins were for IU, they
were certainly against lesser 

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competition. 
IU goes out and just dismantles 

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UCLA over the course of four 
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You know, I I first want to get 
your just reaction to seeing 

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that take place and you know, as
someone who who put on the 

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uniform and played for this 
program and has been attached to

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this program in other ways, like
what were the emotions around 

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seeing that performance from an 
IU football team in that 

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environment? 
Man, it was like holy, you know 

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what? 
I can swear on the podcast if. 

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We can. 
Wow, holy shit, that was 

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awesome. 
You know, like I, I, you know, I

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was doing a game in Lincoln, NE,
which was, you know, pretty 

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incredible on a number of levels
on that front too for that 

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program that is feels like they 
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And so we kicked off at the same
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And, you know, I, I was kind of 
like checking my phone, but down

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on the sideline, which, you 
know, my, where's you know, 

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where my role for Big 10 network
is like it's really hard to get 

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Wi-Fi to get any cell, to get 
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So I'm like, you know, every now
and then something would pop up 

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my phone and I'd see it. 
Like my dad would text me, 

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right? 
So Mike, I'd wait. 

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My dad, who's also an IU alum 
and was on the Rose Bowl team as

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a student athletic trainer. 
The last time we were at the 

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Rose Bowl, which was kind of 
fitting, he, he had texted me 

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first at like 7, nothing. 
And I was like, oh, awesome, 

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great start. 
And like, I didn't hear from him

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again. 
I didn't get the text that came 

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in for like another 30 minutes. 
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sudden it was, it was 20 or 14, 
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was at that time. 
I was like, oh, what happened? 

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Well, it turns out it was 14. 
Nothing in a blink of an eye. 

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And this is what I was saying 
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Coach Signetti is a professional
head coach. 

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That is not to say that he is an
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It is that he is a professional 
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He has done, we have talked 
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record and it matters. 
It matters. 

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Look at what happened at, you 
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Desean Foster is a legend in 
that program, but he is a rookie

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head coach and they're guys 
watching the tape, especially on

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defense. 
I haven't gotten into a ton of 

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the offense, the IU defense tape
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That's on the docket today, but 
their defense looked confused to

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me, like they didn't know. 
I I'm seeing them pointing at 

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each other. 
They're moving. 

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I mean, like there's Indiana was
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And that's not to say that, you 
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of preparing. 
I just think that IU takes it to

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another level. 
This the coaches that coach 

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Signetti has hired are just 
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and they know how to get these 
guys ready to play and to put 

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them in the best positions to 
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And that's what we're seeing. 
So the guttural reaction, all 

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that was, you know, wow. 
And I texted that to a number of

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the coaches this weekend. 
I was just like, this is UCLA is

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not a good team, but they are 
the best team that IU has faced 

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this year by far. 
And so to win that convincingly 

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is is pretty big. 
We've tried to talk about this 

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on the show like the point you 
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And it's it's tough because it's
it's not. 

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I don't know that you can 
effectively explain the results 

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of the first three games for IU 
without pointing to the 

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difference in the way the team 
prepares and the way that the 

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players feel prepared. 
And we were noticing this even 

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in talking with players in the 
offseason, like they know there 

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was always this this kind of 
interesting shading where it's 

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like we, you know, we love Coach
Allen and that staff, but we 

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feel like we are being better 
prepared for what we're going to

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be facing in game situations. 
And I got I was thinking about 

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it. 
It's like IU maybe wins that 

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game against UCLA, even with 
last year's team and staff in 

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place in as much as as you said,
UCLA, well have they have 

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talent, but they clearly are not
well organized. 

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And that was that was present on
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But it's a close game. 
It's a game that looks like a 

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lot of other games that IU 
played over the last three 

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seasons where it it comes down 
to 1 possession and you're you 

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feel kind of lucky afterwards if
you came away with it. 

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It didn't feel, I mean, we were 
a little nervous around halftime

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when UCLA scores at the end, we.
Had 13 or something. 

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It was 21. 
It was 21, seven UCLA drives 

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down the field, scores at the 
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They get the ball to start the 
second-half. 

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They kick the field goal and you
know, I've seen that scenario a 

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bunch of times as an IU fan and,
and you've seen it as well. 

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And you're, you know, in the 
back of my head, I'm like, I've 

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been talking to Big game about 
Signeti and his staff and how 

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prepped they are. 
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And they just came down the 
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if nothing had changed from what
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And in a blink of an eye, it's 
2810. 

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They stopped them on the next. 
Drive to 2813. 

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It's just there's such a marked 
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in the details, in the way that 
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those. 
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selling out to stop the run 
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and butter of IU for the first 
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And IU was like, hey, here's 
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Passing attack that we haven't. 
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games and by the way we have 6 
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We can throw to what? 
Are you going to do about it 

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like that? 
That was so invigorating for me 

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as a fan and as someone who 
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last. 
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Feeling that way was when 
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offensive coordinator and and 
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And it's like, wow, that flavor 
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That's a good way to put it that
does that does summon back some 

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of those feelings where the now 
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Crimson Tide, who just put a 42 
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was the Indian offensive 
coordinator and the Alabama 

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defensive coordinator was the IU
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Alabama offensive coordinator 
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the IU strength coach. 
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about the Alabama connections 
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this comes down to Curtis 
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It is he, you can just see it on
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His comfort level is just quick.
I mean, so rapidly rising in 

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this offense. 
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took some time. 
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drilling on on a lot of this 
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you go into the summer and then 
fall camp, you know, I don't 

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know if it was there yet. 
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scrimmages weren't like overly 
impressive. 

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And then you get into FIU looks 
OK, looks good. 

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Certainly service. 
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Illinois, you know, not again, 
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IU did what IU had to do, right?
It was IU versus IU and they won

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in a big way in that one. 
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recall a drive in the 
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ended with that Miles cross 
catch, another incredible one 

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that went for a score. 
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which they Curtis had a play 
that just a bad decision. 

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It should have been picked off, 
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And then I think it was maybe 2 
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what in my mind was the throw of
the day. 

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He takes he takes a blitzing a 
blitzer's hit to his like upper,

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you know, his lower thigh knee 
area and that beautifully layers

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a ball over the flat over like 
the curl defender to a crossing.

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I want to say it was it was 
Keyshawn. 

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I can't remember exactly. 
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perfectly and just gets back up,
shakes it off Bam. 

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Next play. 
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Curtis. 
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blood, low blood pressure player
in the pocket right now where he

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is calm, he is collected. 
He is ready to move on to the 

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next thing, good or bad, and 
that is really going to serve IU

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well. 
And so like, the the more I look

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at this thing, you know, it's 
the team that won what, 9 games 

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the last three years? 
I feel pretty good about being 

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halfway to bowl eligibility 
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Games I, when I watch Rourke, I,
I feel a lot of Nate Sudfeld in 

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terms of presence, you know, and
and that's not Peyton Ramsey was

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great. 
Michael Pennix was great to have

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back there, but you know, they, 
they were such scramblers that 

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you know, they would often times
default to if it if stuff broke 

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down, they would try to make a 
play for themselves. 

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And I've been so impressed with 
Rourke and his ability to stick 

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in the pocket and, and, and go 
through his progressions and not

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get really bothered. 
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because again you're not facing 
high level defense against FIU 

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or Western Illinois, but but 
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according to some rankings last.
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things like that. 
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I've now seen people start to 
discount that day, the UCLA win,

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because it's like, well, they're
not very good. 

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That's like, how many goal posts
are we planning on? 

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Moving we also made them not 
very good. 

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That's right. 
Yeah, You know, But I I'll say 

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this, and Rourke is a great 
example of what I've really been

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impressed with so far from the 
coaching staff, other than what 

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we've already discussed, which 
is how well they made decisions 

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in the offseason about what 
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Because it's not just Rourke, 
but Rourke is probably the best 

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example of it. 
But you look at it, the leading 

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tackler is Aiden Fisher, who 
they brought in and knew could 

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play at this level. 
The running back quartet now is 

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all from elsewhere. 
The, you know, the receiving 

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core. 
Omar Cooper has certainly, I 

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think demonstrated that he could
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that was here. 
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Williams and Craw, I mean, it's 
like this whole collection of 

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players that either were were 
very lightly utilized or came in

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from elsewhere and are brand 
new, hey. 

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Hold on one second, Galen, 
because we haven't even really 

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seen EJ Williams or Donovan 
McCullough yet, right? 

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Like, think about that for a 
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It's, it's why, and I'm what I'm
so impressed by is not just the 

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talent evaluation and the idea 
that these guys could play at 

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this level, but I'm also really 
impressed at how interchangeable

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the players are in the scheme 
and what you know, and, and 

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where it's like, yes, there are 
players that do certain things, 

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but we've seen a different 
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game. 
It feels like in every game so 

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far. 
And you're seeing players like 

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Mccully, who's been more of a 
decoy, hasn't gotten into the 

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action that much. 
He's out there celebrating with 

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the guys that are making the 
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Like it feels like people have 
bought in, in the running back 

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room, in the wide receiver room 
to this idea that they are a 

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collective and that collectively
they're fitting into this 

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offense. 
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you're seeing a similar thing 
where the who's leading in 

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tackles, who's getting pressure 
on the quarterback. 

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It's shifting a bit from game to
game, but they've instilled this

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more collective effort. 
And they've also got all of 

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these pieces that if one guy 
isn't, you know, getting the 

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maximum level of production in a
game, somebody else has stepped 

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up and is doing so. 
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competitive depth is all about. 
And that's something that, you 

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know, IU has has lacked in, you 
know, really since the, the 

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COVID year where they they were 
able to replace guys that year 

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and even back in 1819 too. 
You know, Penix goes down, you 

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got a quarterback who can lead 
you to a bowl game, you know, 

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twice, right? 
I mean, you've got you've got 

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guys in the secondary that were 
rotating through and picking off

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passes that that really wasn't 
the case these last three years 

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because you felt like there was 
a drop off. 

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Like frontline talent wise, I 
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OK. 
But man, if somebody goes down, 

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it's like the, you know, the 
drop off is big. 

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And that's what you see with 
middle tier big 10 teams is that

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you know, yeah, sure. 
They're not, you know, Ohio 

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State talent level, but 
certainly serviceable enough to 

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find yourself into the 
postseason. 

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How many teams are at Ohio 
State's talent level in the Big 

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10, in the Big 10 too, right? 
You know, maybe Oregon if you 

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want to, unless you're counting 
Oregon as the second team. 

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I mean, it's, you know, and, and
this is I think the important 

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thing. 
It's like if you look at IU and,

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and there's still a lot of work 
to do. 

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There's still a lot more to be 
proven. 

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But what I see the way that 
we're grading other teams. 

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Nebraska being a good example, 
they've looked impressive in 

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their games, but I would argue I
use look more impressive if you 

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take their games as a whole and 
it's it's more brand name than 

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anything else. 
And IU, who knows what, what do 

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they end up doing? 
We predicted eight wins before 

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the season on the podcast and 
people are like, you guys are 

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being way too optimistic. 
But I had a feeling that what we

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were seeing in practices and the
things we were being told, we're

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going to essentially flesh out 
the way that we're seeing so 

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far. 
It'll be curious to see what 

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happens over these next three 
games because as you said, 

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halfway to bowl eligibility 
before you get halfway through 

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September, pretty rarefied air 
for IU football. 

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And you've got a sequence of 
three games here that will 

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really, I think, demonstrate, 
you know, where in the pecking 

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order we should be thinking 
about IUI. 

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Mean Charlotte, Maryland and 
then at Northwestern, those are 

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all games Indiana can win. 
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relative talent levels, I feel 
very good about where I use at 

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because of how organized they 
look and how badly they've made 

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each of their opponents look 
thus far. 

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Yeah, I mean, like I I was 
drumming up scenarios where, you

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know, you could be talking about
a team that's undefeated, you 

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know, welcoming Michigan, right 
to Bloomington. 

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Who who just decided they needed
to change quarterbacks going 

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into their biggest game of the 
year? 

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It's like, it's hard. 
I know I've I've had a lot of 

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conversations with people on the
side where I'm like, is the 

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floor like nine wins? 
I'm like, let's, let's pump the 

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brakes. 
A little bit here, but you 

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deserve we Indiana fans deserve 
to feel good about this and to 

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get excited about it. 
And I think that's that's the 

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moral of the story here. 
Like get out there and, you 

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know, not only pack, but defend 
the Rock, You know, like make, 

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make make Memorial Stadium, you 
know, a place to be reckoned 

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with. 
And I think that's where 

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starting off 3 and O getting 
that first big Rd. win. 

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Hopefully they are welcomed back
very raucously at the Rock this 

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weekend against Charlotte. 
And then, you know, you get 

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Maryland at home as well, which 
is big on the road in 

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Northwestern is an interesting 
1. 

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I don't know if there's a 
decided home field advantage 

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there other than everything's 
just a little bit unique there. 

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And I can't tell you how big of 
a a difference it'll make taking

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on Nebraska in Bloomington as 
opposed to in Lincoln. 

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That place is an absolute buzz 
saw when they are bowling. 

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So, yeah, I feel you. 
I mean, like, I I looking at 

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this too. 
I mean, like, yeah, it looks, 

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all of it looks very doable, but
you got to go out and do it. 

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And I think that's what Coach 
Cignetti is proving and 

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preaching to his players right 
now. 

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And that's what will serve this 
team well is that he's not like,

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all right, we're three and O, 
you know, I imagine there is no 

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one who has mentioned there's 
halfway to eligibility within 

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that building this week. 
Yeah, What do you make? 

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You know, it's been amusing 
watching IU fans kind of wrap 

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their heads around Signetti and 
his approach because it is so 

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markedly different from what 
we've seen from previous 

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coaches, not just Tom Allen, but
even but Kevin Wilson as well. 

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Like there's just there's this 
real hyper focus on doing things

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properly in terms of execution. 
And you, you hear Signetti's 

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comments and post game press 
conferences. 

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You hear him when he's on the 
coaches show. 

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And it's funny to a lot of 
people because it seems very 

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basic and and very 
straightforward. 

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And yet it does seem to be 
resonating with the players. 

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So I guess I two questions for 
you. 

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I'm curious about your reaction 
to his approach from what we've 

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seen. 
And I'm sure you've been Privy 

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to some things that maybe we 
haven't seen. 

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But also, as a player, how much 
does hearing that kind of 

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message play into your building 
of confidence as you move 

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forward through the course of a 
season? 

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It's huge. 
You got a coach out there 

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00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:58,520
saying, you know, we expect to 
win and to, you know, fairly 

446
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:04,400
boldly proclaim that this team 
is capable of winning in a way 

447
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,800
that this town and this fan base
hasn't seen in decades. 

448
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,440
And it's like, wait, it's like, 
it's it's almost like a 

449
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,120
reminder. 
It's like this is, yeah, I I get

450
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:15,560
it. 
It's been a tough run, you know,

451
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,480
these last couple of years, you 
know, had a had a good little, a

452
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,720
good, a good burst, you know, 
four or five years ago. 

453
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,000
But it's been bad enough to make
it feel like that almost didn't 

454
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,320
happen, right? 
And so now what coach Signetti 

455
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,440
has done is completely flipped 
the mindset where it's it's not 

456
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,360
like, man, we're really going to
fight and we we hope to win 

457
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:40,240
these games. 
No, it's like the expect, it's 

458
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,640
everyone's expectation to win. 
But the way that Coach Signetti 

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00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,720
portrays it is one of such 
confidence that I think it 

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00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,800
really does trickle into the 
players collective mindset and 

461
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,880
into the program's collective 
mindset. 

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00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,280
And while it may rub some people
the wrong way, it may not be for

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00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,920
everybody. 
Right now it's for IU and I 

464
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,120
think that's that's the best 
thing that could be said. 

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00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,360
It's, it's, it just feels like a
huge difference. 

466
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,040
I mean, you have to have a 
belief programmatically in what 

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00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,960
you're doing. 
And it has often felt that I us 

468
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,960
try to run on emotion and, you 
know, emotions are very 

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00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,640
susceptible to the moment. 
And, you know, I think that was,

470
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,480
again, it's what impressed me 
the most about the sequence in 

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00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,280
the UCLA game where normally 
that knocks an IU team off of 

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00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,920
its pathway. 
And it feels like in every game,

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00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,640
IU has at the very least 
maintained, if not gotten 

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00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,240
slightly stronger as they've 
gone through. 

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00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,600
And and obviously, as the I 
well, here's the thing I keep 

476
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,760
saying, you know, as the 
competition level ratchets up. 

477
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,080
And yet that's not really what 
happens in the there's the what 

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00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,680
I'm fascinated by, and we kind 
of touched on it a little bit a 

479
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,200
minute ago. 
The middle third of the 

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00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,480
schedule. 
You know, you've got you've got 

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00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,800
at Northwestern in a weird quasi
home environment for that, 

482
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,680
right? 
You've got a you've got N 

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00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,600
Nebraska for homecoming. 
You've got Washington the 

484
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,080
following week, who's who looks 
pretty up and down. 

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00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,160
And then you're at Michigan 
State like that, any of those 

486
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,240
games individually, if you're 
looking at IU right now in the 

487
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,960
way that they've played, if UCLA
is a decent harbinger as a road 

488
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,680
team for what you might get 
talent wise from those other 

489
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,080
teams. 
And I don't think that's too far

490
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,960
off. 
Like none of those teams are are

491
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,040
stocked with any more talent 
than Indiana. 

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00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,880
This is where the preparation 
and the attitude and the belief 

493
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:30,320
can filter through. 
And I, I think that it's why I 

494
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,480
try not to get too irrationally 
excited because obviously things

495
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,600
can change, injuries happen, 
things like that. 

496
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,200
But having that as a core for 
your program is, is such a a 

497
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,480
huge potential advantage, 
especially when you're playing 

498
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,240
two of those games at home and 
the two games you're playing at 

499
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,520
home are probably the two most 
talented teams that you've got 

500
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,280
in that four-game stretch. 
Yeah, I think that's that's 

501
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,000
huge, right? 
You know, the Maryland one will 

502
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,480
be really interesting to me 
because I think Billy Edwards is

503
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,000
playing some really good 
football for them at 

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00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,240
quarterback. 
I I don't really know what to 

505
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,240
make of them as a team yet. 
I haven't watched a ton of their

506
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,360
games yet. 
So I don't know that I can say 

507
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:12,560
for certain how I feel about 
that. 

508
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,800
But that is that is in the 
offing right now. 

509
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,760
This will be a good test for 
Indiana, right? 

510
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,000
Because, yeah, I think everybody
was on him a little bit, You 

511
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,480
know, big win, 77 points against
Western Illinois. 

512
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,040
I think there was still, you 
know, a little bit of all right,

513
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,880
it's an FCS team. 
Like, let's not get, but now you

514
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,840
go into the Rose Bowl and smash 
UCLA that way. 

515
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,800
I think there's a lot more eyes 
open. 

516
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,080
You've got, you know, Bill 
Connolly talking about the 

517
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,560
College Football Playoff and you
know that I and everybody's 

518
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,240
like, whoa, whoa, whoa. 
You got to come back. 

519
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:45,800
You got to come back down and 
refocus and play Charlotte this 

520
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,000
week, OK. 
Who I don't think is as talented

521
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,160
as UCLA, but they may be a 
little bit better put together 

522
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,160
as a team right now. 
So they've got a coach who's, 

523
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,400
you know, in his second year, 
got some really good coaches on 

524
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,400
that staff. 
Dre Bly is on that staff. 

525
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,640
Tim Brewster is on that staff. 
There's. 

526
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,160
Yeah. 
Yeah, exactly. 

527
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,840
Former what? 
Minnesota, right. 

528
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,680
Yeah. 
So this will be a challenge I 

529
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,640
think, you know, not just on the
field, but again, another 

530
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,560
mindset challenge. 
But I I really haven't been 

531
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,560
given any reason to believe that
Coach Signetti won't have these 

532
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,760
guys ready for both pieces of 
that challenge. 

533
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,120
It's a wild spot to be in. 
This feels like a different 

534
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,480
reality that we've been shot 
into and it's just trying to get

535
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,720
our heads wrapped around it. 
But it's fun. 

536
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,480
It's been so much fun watching 
people, I think having had their

537
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,360
mentality switch as fans about 
what I you could be. 

538
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,280
And I am really fascinated to 
see what the crowd looks like in

539
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,240
Memorial Stadium this weekend 
and especially next week. 

540
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,080
And I mean, I think, you know, 
I'm, I'm hoping that the UCLA 

541
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,680
game woke some people up that 
were still sleeping on them and,

542
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,000
and made people say this is 
really a team worth following, 

543
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,480
worth getting behind. 
I've been going around telling 

544
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,560
people let's make the Charlotte 
game the introduce a friend to 

545
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,680
Indiana football game. 
Awesome idea. 

546
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,600
I love it. 
Let's like find a way to get 

547
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,040
find a bring a friend, you know,
pay for the tickets. 

548
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,720
There's plenty of cheap tickets 
still available. 

549
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,640
But let's get people in into the
Rock noon game. 

550
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,800
There's no travel excuses. 
And you know, to me, it's like I

551
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,000
want I'd love to. 
It was such a cool moment. 

552
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,560
I can say this standing in the 
Rose Bowl end zone above the 

553
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,680
tunnel at the end of the game, 
cheering the players as they 

554
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,680
came off the. 
Field. 

555
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,120
I mean, it was. 
Such a cool moment. 

556
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,640
And, you know, I, I, I hope that
the players and the coaches 

557
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,280
realized like, there's a core of
really strong support for IU 

558
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,560
football. 
And now it's a matter of getting

559
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,280
some of the more casual fans who
have kept it at arm's length 

560
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,040
into the fold and getting them. 
Because like that, those are the

561
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,160
kinds of things that really do 
make a big difference when 

562
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,400
you're playing a Maryland, when 
you're playing in Nebraska. 

563
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,920
And the crowd might be there. 
But it's about getting people 

564
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,520
really pumped up and excited 
about what this team's doing. 

565
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,200
And I think that they've done 
enough at this point to 

566
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,240
certainly warrant. 
That. 

567
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,280
Yeah, and look, a noon kick is a
great opportunity to, you know, 

568
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,840
come early but stay late. 
Like stay all flippin day. 

569
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,440
Like enjoy the game and then and
then go out, back out to the 

570
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,560
parking lot after the win. 
OK, Not at halftime. 

571
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,040
At back out to the parking lot 
after the game. 

572
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,400
There's great concessions in 
Memorial Stadium, there's all 

573
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,720
kinds of beer options. 
There's no reason to leave at 

574
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,320
this point. 
Exactly right until until the 

575
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,160
clock hits zero and the victory 
flag has been raised. 

576
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,320
Well, it's an exciting time 
Rhett, and it's great to chat 

577
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,960
with you on on this. 
And you know, good luck. 

578
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,000
We'll hopefully see you. 
Maybe you'll swing by. 

579
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,120
We're in a slightly different 
spot, but we'd love to see you 

580
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,480
before the game. 
And for those of you who are 

581
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,880
going to be watching from home, 
get to Memorial Stadium. 

582
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,680
But if you can't, you'll be able
to see Rhett on the sideline 

583
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,320
this weekend for the game. 
So Rhett Lewis, NFL Network and 

584
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,400
Big 10 Network, we appreciate 
you joining us here on Crimson 

585
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,240
Care. 
Anytime. 

586
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:58,720
Thanks guys.
