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And it's been a really exciting last few weeks for this IU
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And then before that, many years ago as a player, Rhett Lewis of
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Football Radio Network, now doing sideline reporting for the
Big 10 Network. And always one of our favorite
people to talk with as he always has great insights on this team
and on football in general. So we got an interview coming up
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the Charlotte 49ers. All right, here we go.
And joining us on the show once again, we welcome him back after
a couple of your absence. But he's familiar to most of you
IU fans if you listen to any games on the radio last year.
Rhett Lewis, IU alum, IU football alum and new addition
to the Big 10 Network family of broadcasters.
Rhett, first of all, great to see you and congratulations on
that. We miss you here and IU
Radioland, but it's great to have you back on the show.
Yeah, I appreciate that Galen. It's it's always great to chat
with you and always, you know, in awe of what you do with the
at the media school and and the great students that turn out.
I get to cross paths with a with a few of them in my travels,
both with Big 10 Network at NFL Network.
So I I love that. And on that note, you know, it's
it was really bittersweet to leave the IU radio booth for
sure after two years. But you know, for all the all of
your students who might TuneIn and you know being attached to
live games in this especially if you want to be in television
being attached to television live events.
Is. Where this business is, it's not
even where it's heading, it's where it is and it's only going
to get more impactful to be a part of live games because of
the shoulder programming, the pre and post it, it's all going
away and I have, I've seen that first hand.
So the more live events and live games you can do in whatever
role I have done TV play by play, TV Color and now TV
Sideline. So however I can get there is
where I'm going. It is wild to think about how
much the business is changing. And it's also, I was, I was
trying to tell my, my sports media industry class the other
day, you know, in 20 years ago you had maybe 1/3 of the games
were on television in a way that people could watch it.
Now, not only is almost every FBS level game on television,
but a lot of FCS level games are on television or streaming or in
some way, shape or form are out there.
It's just a completely different business than it used to be.
Totally, totally. And, and so, yeah, I mean, like
when I got into the business, it was all about like getting into
getting a studio job and right. And like, you know, going to
work for a network and which is great.
And some of that stuff is still out there, still exists, but
it's just so much there. There's so few.
There's some like the, the the volume is just so much less now
on that front, so. Well, let's, let's talk a little
bit. I mean, Speaking of things that
have changed. Yeah.
Hello, IU football. Where have you been all my life?
Let's let's start with the remarkable events of this past
weekend. Indiana playing in the Rose Bowl
in the building for the first time since 1968.
First Big 10 game for UCLA, a game that a lot of people had
decided to install as kind of the barometer of where the team
was at. Because as impressive as the
first two wins were for IU, they were certainly against lesser
competition. IU goes out and just dismantles
UCLA over the course of four quarters.
You know, I I first want to get your just reaction to seeing
that take place and you know, as someone who who put on the
uniform and played for this program and has been attached to
this program in other ways, like what were the emotions around
seeing that performance from an IU football team in that
environment? Man, it was like holy, you know
what? I can swear on the podcast if.
We can. Wow, holy shit, that was
awesome. You know, like I, I, you know, I
was doing a game in Lincoln, NE, which was, you know, pretty
incredible on a number of levels on that front too for that
program that is feels like they are all the way back.
And so we kicked off at the same time.
And, you know, I, I was kind of like checking my phone, but down
on the sideline, which, you know, my, where's you know,
where my role for Big 10 network is like it's really hard to get
Wi-Fi to get any cell, to get any coverage.
So I'm like, you know, every now and then something would pop up
my phone and I'd see it. Like my dad would text me,
right? So Mike, I'd wait.
My dad, who's also an IU alum and was on the Rose Bowl team as
a student athletic trainer. The last time we were at the
Rose Bowl, which was kind of fitting, he, he had texted me
first at like 7, nothing. And I was like, oh, awesome,
great start. And like, I didn't hear from him
again. I didn't get the text that came
in for like another 30 minutes. And then it was like all of a
sudden it was, it was 20 or 14, whatever the 21 to whatever it
was at that time. I was like, oh, what happened?
Well, it turns out it was 14. Nothing in a blink of an eye.
And this is what I was saying going into the game.
Coach Signetti is a professional head coach.
That is not to say that he is an NFL head coach.
It is that he is a professional at being a head coach.
He has done, we have talked about his success and his track
record and it matters. It matters.
Look at what happened at, you know, look at UCLA right now.
Desean Foster is a legend in that program, but he is a rookie
head coach and they're guys watching the tape, especially on
defense. I haven't gotten into a ton of
the offense, the IU defense tape yet.
That's on the docket today, but their defense looked confused to
me, like they didn't know. I I'm seeing them pointing at
each other. They're moving.
I mean, like there's Indiana was so well prepared for this game.
And that's not to say that, you know, UCLA didn't do a good job
of preparing. I just think that IU takes it to
another level. This the coaches that coach
Signetti has hired are just fantastic, sharp football minds
and they know how to get these guys ready to play and to put
them in the best positions to succeed.
And that's what we're seeing. So the guttural reaction, all
that was, you know, wow. And I texted that to a number of
the coaches this weekend. I was just like, this is UCLA is
not a good team, but they are the best team that IU has faced
this year by far. And so to win that convincingly
is is pretty big. We've tried to talk about this
on the show like the point you just made.
And it's it's tough because it's it's not.
I don't know that you can effectively explain the results
of the first three games for IU without pointing to the
difference in the way the team prepares and the way that the
players feel prepared. And we were noticing this even
in talking with players in the offseason, like they know there
was always this this kind of interesting shading where it's
like we, you know, we love Coach Allen and that staff, but we
feel like we are being better prepared for what we're going to
be facing in game situations. And I got I was thinking about
it. It's like IU maybe wins that
game against UCLA, even with last year's team and staff in
place in as much as as you said, UCLA, well have they have
talent, but they clearly are not well organized.
And that was that was present on both sides of the ball.
But it's a close game. It's a game that looks like a
lot of other games that IU played over the last three
seasons where it it comes down to 1 possession and you're you
feel kind of lucky afterwards if you came away with it.
It didn't feel, I mean, we were a little nervous around halftime
when UCLA scores at the end, we. Had 13 or something.
It was 21. It was 21, seven UCLA drives
down the field, scores at the end of the first half.
They get the ball to start the second-half.
They kick the field goal and you know, I've seen that scenario a
bunch of times as an IU fan and, and you've seen it as well.
And you're, you know, in the back of my head, I'm like, I've
been talking to Big game about Signeti and his staff and how
prepped they are. This will be a great test.
And they just came down the field as if it didn't matter, as
if nothing had changed from what they were planning.
And in a blink of an eye, it's 2810.
They stopped them on the next. Drive to 2813.
And then it's essentially game over.
It's just there's such a marked difference in the little things,
in the details, in the way that IU approaches, plays, a lot of
those. You know, it was clear UCLA was
selling out to stop the run because that had been the bread
and butter of IU for the first couple of games.
And IU was like, hey, here's our.
Passing attack that we haven't. Had to use in the last couple of
games and by the way we have 6 people.
We can throw to what? Are you going to do about it
like that? That was so invigorating for me
as a fan and as someone who observes this team because I the
last. Time I can remember.
Feeling that way was when Caitlin de Boer was the
offensive coordinator and and that that felt so different.
And it's like, wow, that flavor has returned to to IU football.
That's a good way to put it that does that does summon back some
of those feelings where the now head coach of the Alabama
Crimson Tide, who just put a 42 on the on Wisconsin and Madison
was the Indian offensive coordinator and the Alabama
defensive coordinator was the IU defensive coordinator and the
Alabama offensive coordinator was the IU quarterback coach and
the IU strength coach. You know, like we go on and on
about the Alabama connections there, but I, I think a lot of
this comes down to Curtis Rourke's comfortability.
It is he, you can just see it on tape.
His comfort level is just quick. I mean, so rapidly rising in
this offense. And, you know, I, I think it
took some time. I mean, like they've been
drilling on on a lot of this stuff since the spring and then
you go into the summer and then fall camp, you know, I don't
know if it was there yet. And then, you know, like the
scrimmages weren't like overly impressive.
And then you get into FIU looks OK, looks good.
Certainly service. I mean, like, obviously Western
Illinois, you know, not again, not a great squad, but I mean,
IU did what IU had to do, right? It was IU versus IU and they won
in a big way in that one. And then this one man, I I
recall a drive in the second-half that I want to say
ended with that Miles cross catch, another incredible one
that went for a score. But it was it was a drive in
which they Curtis had a play that just a bad decision.
It should have been picked off, should have been picked off.
And then I think it was maybe 2 plays later, he comes back with
what in my mind was the throw of the day.
He takes he takes a blitzing a blitzer's hit to his like upper,
you know, his lower thigh knee area and that beautifully layers
a ball over the flat over like the curl defender to a crossing.
I want to say it was it was Keyshawn.
I can't remember exactly. I mean just laid it out
perfectly and just gets back up, shakes it off Bam.
Next play. Next play I think is big for
Curtis. And so I think he is a low
blood, low blood pressure player in the pocket right now where he
is calm, he is collected. He is ready to move on to the
next thing, good or bad, and that is really going to serve IU
well. And so like, the the more I look
at this thing, you know, it's the team that won what, 9 games
the last three years? I feel pretty good about being
halfway to bowl eligibility through three.
Games I, when I watch Rourke, I, I feel a lot of Nate Sudfeld in
terms of presence, you know, and and that's not Peyton Ramsey was
great. Michael Pennix was great to have
back there, but you know, they, they were such scramblers that
you know, they would often times default to if it if stuff broke
down, they would try to make a play for themselves.
And I've been so impressed with Rourke and his ability to stick
in the pocket and, and, and go through his progressions and not
get really bothered. And I was wondering I mean
because again you're not facing high level defense against FIU
or Western Illinois, but but that UCLA defense, I mean
according to some rankings last. Year were really good.
Yeah, they were like top 25 in terms of talent levels and
things like that. And it's interesting because
I've now seen people start to discount that day, the UCLA win,
because it's like, well, they're not very good.
That's like, how many goal posts are we planning on?
Moving we also made them not very good.
That's right. Yeah, You know, But I I'll say
this, and Rourke is a great example of what I've really been
impressed with so far from the coaching staff, other than what
we've already discussed, which is how well they made decisions
in the offseason about what players to target and bring in.
Because it's not just Rourke, but Rourke is probably the best
example of it. But you look at it, the leading
tackler is Aiden Fisher, who they brought in and knew could
play at this level. The running back quartet now is
all from elsewhere. The, you know, the receiving
core. Omar Cooper has certainly, I
think demonstrated that he could be the breakout star of the guys
that was here. But Serat and Horton and
Williams and Craw, I mean, it's like this whole collection of
players that either were were very lightly utilized or came in
from elsewhere and are brand new, hey.
Hold on one second, Galen, because we haven't even really
seen EJ Williams or Donovan McCullough yet, right?
Like, think about that for a second.
It's, it's why, and I'm what I'm so impressed by is not just the
talent evaluation and the idea that these guys could play at
this level, but I'm also really impressed at how interchangeable
the players are in the scheme and what you know, and, and
where it's like, yes, there are players that do certain things,
but we've seen a different player step up and have a big
game. It feels like in every game so
far. And you're seeing players like
Mccully, who's been more of a decoy, hasn't gotten into the
action that much. He's out there celebrating with
the guys that are making the plays.
Like it feels like people have bought in, in the running back
room, in the wide receiver room to this idea that they are a
collective and that collectively they're fitting into this
offense. And, and I think on defense,
you're seeing a similar thing where the who's leading in
tackles, who's getting pressure on the quarterback.
It's shifting a bit from game to game, but they've instilled this
more collective effort. And they've also got all of
these pieces that if one guy isn't, you know, getting the
maximum level of production in a game, somebody else has stepped
up and is doing so. Yeah, and that's what
competitive depth is all about. And that's something that, you
know, IU has has lacked in, you know, really since the, the
COVID year where they they were able to replace guys that year
and even back in 1819 too. You know, Penix goes down, you
got a quarterback who can lead you to a bowl game, you know,
twice, right? I mean, you've got you've got
guys in the secondary that were rotating through and picking off
passes that that really wasn't the case these last three years
because you felt like there was a drop off.
Like frontline talent wise, I use 5I use kind of always been
OK. But man, if somebody goes down,
it's like the, you know, the drop off is big.
And that's what you see with middle tier big 10 teams is that
you know, yeah, sure. They're not, you know, Ohio
State talent level, but certainly serviceable enough to
find yourself into the postseason.
How many teams are at Ohio State's talent level in the Big
10, in the Big 10 too, right? You know, maybe Oregon if you
want to, unless you're counting Oregon as the second team.
I mean, it's, you know, and, and this is I think the important
thing. It's like if you look at IU and,
and there's still a lot of work to do.
There's still a lot more to be proven.
But what I see the way that we're grading other teams.
Nebraska being a good example, they've looked impressive in
their games, but I would argue I use look more impressive if you
take their games as a whole and it's it's more brand name than
anything else. And IU, who knows what, what do
they end up doing? We predicted eight wins before
the season on the podcast and people are like, you guys are
being way too optimistic. But I had a feeling that what we
were seeing in practices and the things we were being told, we're
going to essentially flesh out the way that we're seeing so
far. It'll be curious to see what
happens over these next three games because as you said,
halfway to bowl eligibility before you get halfway through
September, pretty rarefied air for IU football.
And you've got a sequence of three games here that will
really, I think, demonstrate, you know, where in the pecking
order we should be thinking about IUI.
Mean Charlotte, Maryland and then at Northwestern, those are
all games Indiana can win. And when you look at the
relative talent levels, I feel very good about where I use at
because of how organized they look and how badly they've made
each of their opponents look thus far.
Yeah, I mean, like I I was drumming up scenarios where, you
know, you could be talking about a team that's undefeated, you
know, welcoming Michigan, right to Bloomington.
Who who just decided they needed to change quarterbacks going
into their biggest game of the year?
It's like, it's hard. I know I've I've had a lot of
conversations with people on the side where I'm like, is the
floor like nine wins? I'm like, let's, let's pump the
brakes. A little bit here, but you
deserve we Indiana fans deserve to feel good about this and to
get excited about it. And I think that's that's the
moral of the story here. Like get out there and, you
know, not only pack, but defend the Rock, You know, like make,
make make Memorial Stadium, you know, a place to be reckoned
with. And I think that's where
starting off 3 and O getting that first big Rd. win.
Hopefully they are welcomed back very raucously at the Rock this
weekend against Charlotte. And then, you know, you get
Maryland at home as well, which is big on the road in
Northwestern is an interesting 1.
I don't know if there's a decided home field advantage
there other than everything's just a little bit unique there.
And I can't tell you how big of a a difference it'll make taking
on Nebraska in Bloomington as opposed to in Lincoln.
That place is an absolute buzz saw when they are bowling.
So, yeah, I feel you. I mean, like, I I looking at
this too. I mean, like, yeah, it looks,
all of it looks very doable, but you got to go out and do it.
And I think that's what Coach Cignetti is proving and
preaching to his players right now.
And that's what will serve this team well is that he's not like,
all right, we're three and O, you know, I imagine there is no
one who has mentioned there's halfway to eligibility within
that building this week. Yeah, What do you make?
You know, it's been amusing watching IU fans kind of wrap
their heads around Signetti and his approach because it is so
markedly different from what we've seen from previous
coaches, not just Tom Allen, but even but Kevin Wilson as well.
Like there's just there's this real hyper focus on doing things
properly in terms of execution. And you, you hear Signetti's
comments and post game press conferences.
You hear him when he's on the coaches show.
And it's funny to a lot of people because it seems very
basic and and very straightforward.
And yet it does seem to be resonating with the players.
So I guess I two questions for you.
I'm curious about your reaction to his approach from what we've
seen. And I'm sure you've been Privy
to some things that maybe we haven't seen.
But also, as a player, how much does hearing that kind of
message play into your building of confidence as you move
forward through the course of a season?
It's huge. You got a coach out there
saying, you know, we expect to win and to, you know, fairly
boldly proclaim that this team is capable of winning in a way
that this town and this fan base hasn't seen in decades.
And it's like, wait, it's like, it's it's almost like a
reminder. It's like this is, yeah, I I get
it. It's been a tough run, you know,
these last couple of years, you know, had a had a good little, a
good, a good burst, you know, four or five years ago.
But it's been bad enough to make it feel like that almost didn't
happen, right? And so now what coach Signetti
has done is completely flipped the mindset where it's it's not
like, man, we're really going to fight and we we hope to win
these games. No, it's like the expect, it's
everyone's expectation to win. But the way that Coach Signetti
portrays it is one of such confidence that I think it
really does trickle into the players collective mindset and
into the program's collective mindset.
And while it may rub some people the wrong way, it may not be for
everybody. Right now it's for IU and I
think that's that's the best thing that could be said.
It's, it's, it just feels like a huge difference.
I mean, you have to have a belief programmatically in what
you're doing. And it has often felt that I us
try to run on emotion and, you know, emotions are very
susceptible to the moment. And, you know, I think that was,
again, it's what impressed me the most about the sequence in
the UCLA game where normally that knocks an IU team off of
its pathway. And it feels like in every game,
IU has at the very least maintained, if not gotten
slightly stronger as they've gone through.
And and obviously, as the I well, here's the thing I keep
saying, you know, as the competition level ratchets up.
And yet that's not really what happens in the there's the what
I'm fascinated by, and we kind of touched on it a little bit a
minute ago. The middle third of the
schedule. You know, you've got you've got
at Northwestern in a weird quasi home environment for that,
right? You've got a you've got N
Nebraska for homecoming. You've got Washington the
following week, who's who looks pretty up and down.
And then you're at Michigan State like that, any of those
games individually, if you're looking at IU right now in the
way that they've played, if UCLA is a decent harbinger as a road
team for what you might get talent wise from those other
teams. And I don't think that's too far
off. Like none of those teams are are
stocked with any more talent than Indiana.
This is where the preparation and the attitude and the belief
can filter through. And I, I think that it's why I
try not to get too irrationally excited because obviously things
can change, injuries happen, things like that.
But having that as a core for your program is, is such a a
huge potential advantage, especially when you're playing
two of those games at home and the two games you're playing at
home are probably the two most talented teams that you've got
in that four-game stretch. Yeah, I think that's that's
huge, right? You know, the Maryland one will
be really interesting to me because I think Billy Edwards is
playing some really good football for them at
quarterback. I I don't really know what to
make of them as a team yet. I haven't watched a ton of their
games yet. So I don't know that I can say
for certain how I feel about that.
But that is that is in the offing right now.
This will be a good test for Indiana, right?
Because, yeah, I think everybody was on him a little bit, You
know, big win, 77 points against Western Illinois.
I think there was still, you know, a little bit of all right,
it's an FCS team. Like, let's not get, but now you
go into the Rose Bowl and smash UCLA that way.
I think there's a lot more eyes open.
You've got, you know, Bill Connolly talking about the
College Football Playoff and you know that I and everybody's
like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You got to come back.
You got to come back down and refocus and play Charlotte this
week, OK. Who I don't think is as talented
as UCLA, but they may be a little bit better put together
as a team right now. So they've got a coach who's,
you know, in his second year, got some really good coaches on
that staff. Dre Bly is on that staff.
Tim Brewster is on that staff. There's.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Former what? Minnesota, right.
Yeah. So this will be a challenge I
think, you know, not just on the field, but again, another
mindset challenge. But I I really haven't been
given any reason to believe that Coach Signetti won't have these
guys ready for both pieces of that challenge.
It's a wild spot to be in. This feels like a different
reality that we've been shot into and it's just trying to get
our heads wrapped around it. But it's fun.
It's been so much fun watching people, I think having had their
mentality switch as fans about what I you could be.
And I am really fascinated to see what the crowd looks like in
Memorial Stadium this weekend and especially next week.
And I mean, I think, you know, I'm, I'm hoping that the UCLA
game woke some people up that were still sleeping on them and,
and made people say this is really a team worth following,
worth getting behind. I've been going around telling
people let's make the Charlotte game the introduce a friend to
Indiana football game. Awesome idea.
I love it. Let's like find a way to get
find a bring a friend, you know, pay for the tickets.
There's plenty of cheap tickets still available.
But let's get people in into the Rock noon game.
There's no travel excuses. And you know, to me, it's like I
want I'd love to. It was such a cool moment.
I can say this standing in the Rose Bowl end zone above the
tunnel at the end of the game, cheering the players as they
came off the. Field.
I mean, it was. Such a cool moment.
And, you know, I, I, I hope that the players and the coaches
realized like, there's a core of really strong support for IU
football. And now it's a matter of getting
some of the more casual fans who have kept it at arm's length
into the fold and getting them. Because like that, those are the
kinds of things that really do make a big difference when
you're playing a Maryland, when you're playing in Nebraska.
And the crowd might be there. But it's about getting people
really pumped up and excited about what this team's doing.
And I think that they've done enough at this point to
certainly warrant. That.
Yeah, and look, a noon kick is a great opportunity to, you know,
come early but stay late. Like stay all flippin day.
Like enjoy the game and then and then go out, back out to the
parking lot after the win. OK, Not at halftime.
At back out to the parking lot after the game.
There's great concessions in Memorial Stadium, there's all
kinds of beer options. There's no reason to leave at
this point. Exactly right until until the
clock hits zero and the victory flag has been raised.
Well, it's an exciting time Rhett, and it's great to chat
with you on on this. And you know, good luck.
We'll hopefully see you. Maybe you'll swing by.
We're in a slightly different spot, but we'd love to see you
before the game. And for those of you who are
going to be watching from home, get to Memorial Stadium.
But if you can't, you'll be able to see Rhett on the sideline
this weekend for the game. So Rhett Lewis, NFL Network and
Big 10 Network, we appreciate you joining us here on Crimson
Care. Anytime.
Thanks guys.