1 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,500 Hi folks, welcome back to Crimson cast. 2 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,900 We're trying to keep your day going. 3 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:19,600 Trying to keep it going during this quiet period. 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,900 You know, who knows? I'm assuming this is going to be 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,900 fairly Evergreen, but maybe there's an announcement that we 6 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:27,600 have to change this up, but I'm very excited to have our old 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,100 friend, Chris on at IU artifacts, One of the best, 8 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:35,000 Twitter followers out there, you can't see it, but his background 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,600 is just like an ayush morges Board of of stuff and he's got a 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,000 row of like all the helmets up, there it goes from the old 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,900 block, I to the like bright red block, I to the Mallory block. 12 00:00:46,900 --> 00:00:50,200 I to the Cameron oval. I'll let you talk on a second. 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,800 Chris. And then you have the, the to 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,500 Pitchfork eyes, the updated, I the Chrome, striped one, which I 15 00:00:57,508 --> 00:00:59,800 love and then the script Indiana one. 16 00:01:00,300 --> 00:01:02,500 Just one assortment of helmets. Chris man. 17 00:01:02,500 --> 00:01:03,700 How you doing? I'm good. 18 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:06,600 It's got a good to see you. I will thanks for hopping on. 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,800 Let me talk about your helmets and we'll catch y'all next time 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:09,900 on currency cash. That's it. 21 00:01:09,900 --> 00:01:11,700 That's all he get. That's it. 22 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:15,800 Yeah, yeah so no man it's a weird time. 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,100 You know what? We'll start with this. 24 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:20,000 We're recording this on a Tuesday afternoon. 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,100 We can kind of start here and then work our way backwards. 26 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,400 It's funny. We were just talking about how 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,400 right now that shatter is Calbert cheaney. 28 00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:29,500 I mean, who knows? It's like we've been burned by 29 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:30,500 this chat. Chatters. 30 00:01:30,500 --> 00:01:32,400 Crazy. But as you were saying, like 31 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,900 it's crazy it you know change just got mention a couple 32 00:01:34,900 --> 00:01:36,600 minutes ago is already Eight Pages of content. 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,800 Like this shows it's a reignited fanbase it's funny that we're 34 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,500 all these people were the last couple couple of months which I 35 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:45,600 get it like everyone kind of checked out but this shows how 36 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,600 fired up the fan base is right now for this. 37 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,700 Yeah, I you know the the idea of from the national media that the 38 00:01:52,700 --> 00:01:56,000 IU job is irrelevant in our fan base is crazy. 39 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,300 Well, yeah, we're crazy. And we're nuts and insane. 40 00:01:58,300 --> 00:02:01,900 But we also have passion and there's No disregarding that but 41 00:02:01,900 --> 00:02:04,700 you know, it's one of those things where we want the right 42 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:07,000 hire. You know, I'm in a position 43 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,699 where I just want the guy who's going to come in and restore the 44 00:02:09,699 --> 00:02:11,400 Legacy. Who's going to bring us back to 45 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,500 where we want to be, where the fanbase wants to be. 46 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:16,700 And you know, I don't think it's asking a lot to go to the NCAA 47 00:02:16,700 --> 00:02:18,300 tournament after the last four years. 48 00:02:18,300 --> 00:02:23,400 So yeah, it's just exhausting. It is been an exhausting week. 49 00:02:23,900 --> 00:02:26,400 We've been kind of pulled all over the place and I think from 50 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,000 an emotional standpoint, we don't understand all the ins 51 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:32,100 Now, sit go in this circumstance, we don't 52 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:33,300 understand what's going through Scott. 53 00:02:33,300 --> 00:02:37,300 Dolson said, and we're just impatient and I think is a fan 54 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:38,900 base. That's our biggest flaws were 55 00:02:38,900 --> 00:02:42,400 impatient when it comes to this kind of situation but we also 56 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,600 want to make sure it's the right higher. 57 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,100 So that's that's to me is the most important part. 58 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:49,300 Yeah, you mentioned the national guys and we'll work our way back 59 00:02:49,300 --> 00:02:51,900 to let you get your thoughts on Archie out there too. 60 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:55,700 But this is one thing that does really bother me and I'm 61 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:59,000 assuming I speak for a lot of IU fans, like I get tired of the 62 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,100 national guys. On one hand, they talk about 63 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:05,400 tradition with other programs. Like you know North Carolina and 64 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,600 Kansas The Rock Chalk Jayhawk and you know, the the UCLA and 65 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,500 like it's like all these. It's great to be steeped in 66 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:13,800 Tradition. That's awesome. 67 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,700 And then it feels like. And again we're very myopic 68 00:03:16,700 --> 00:03:18,600 very, you know, tunnel vision for Indiana, but then, it feels 69 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,800 like whatever we talk about our history. 70 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,500 It's like man, you're living in 87 years. 71 00:03:22,500 --> 00:03:24,800 Want bob Knight back like, it's like, we're not allowed to have 72 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,800 tradition, but yet every other program is I wonder what that 73 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,400 is. I think part of it is that a lot 74 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,300 of other schools have updated more to the times like Duke has 75 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:36,900 a bunch of alternative uniforms you know, same old, same with 76 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:39,000 North Carolina but it does seem like a little bit of a double 77 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,900 standard that they love spouting off about the tradition of the 78 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:44,400 Blue Bloods. And then whenever we try and 79 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,700 have some tradition, it's like all we want to do is live in the 80 00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:47,900 80s. Yeah. 81 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:50,600 And it's interesting because every year when we have a team 82 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,500 in the tournament like Gonzaga, who's undefeated lo and behold, 83 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:55,400 what are we talking about the 76 Hoosiers? 84 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,000 So it's like you know, the media can pick and choose when they 85 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,300 want to do. Discuss the tradition of Indiana 86 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:03,700 University basketball but it's going to come up inevitably 87 00:04:03,700 --> 00:04:08,100 every year because 76 Hoosiers are always in the discussion and 88 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:11,900 whether people want to overemphasize the greatest March 89 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:13,900 Madness team or not, it's been discussed. 90 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:17,500 So you can't Overlook that. But I think I think to The 91 00:04:17,500 --> 00:04:21,600 Branding is a big thing, you know, you look at the 92 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,000 traditionalist that have enjoyed the similar uniforms and the 93 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,400 similar Styles and and the, you know, she's not changing it up 94 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,200 with a few notable exceptions. Options in the Big Ten 95 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,700 tournament in the in the NCAA tournament. 96 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,800 I think we're at one of those Crossroads situations where the 97 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,600 new hire needs to jolt the program and gives it get up to 98 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,100 speed. It could be names on the back of 99 00:04:43,108 --> 00:04:45,500 the jerseys, it could be the script alternates that we see 100 00:04:45,500 --> 00:04:48,000 with Ohio State and Wisconsin and a lot of the teams are with 101 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,900 Nike, but not to say you can't do that with Adidas. 102 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:55,000 Something's got to give because I think the biggest criticism 103 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,700 that we receive is that we do fall back on 87 and 81 and so 104 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:02,700 forth but But you know, you look at what the last 20 Seasons, 105 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:05,000 we've been to the tournament half of that, you know, the 106 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,700 other blue, the other Blue Bloods have traditionally been 107 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:12,600 contending and have won titles and I think that's the one thing 108 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,500 that the national media likes to point out. 109 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:18,800 But on the flip side, you know, they can't Overlook the fact 110 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,800 that the passion is there with the fan base, it always has been 111 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,700 and always will be no matter what and whether you like 112 00:05:24,700 --> 00:05:26,700 dockage or not dockage alludes to that. 113 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:29,900 And whether you like to listen to Titus or not, he alludes to 114 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:31,900 As well. A lot of these guys are 115 00:05:31,900 --> 00:05:34,400 discussing the fact that the tradition is always going to be 116 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,000 there and it is and I think, Mark, Titus said it really well. 117 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,700 It is different in Indiana, it is different. 118 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:42,400 There is something different about Indiana, the whole state, 119 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,200 the whole makeup in terms of the the ihsa tournament the state 120 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,700 tournament. Indiana basketball is just 121 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:50,300 different whether it's at the high school level in the 122 00:05:50,308 --> 00:05:53,600 Collegiate level. So The Branding situation needs 123 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,400 an upgrade, I think to some extent and I hope that that's 124 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,900 something that is considered with the the new coach but the 125 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,600 you meant that we're not relevant is total bullshit and I 126 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,700 refuse to buy into that because again these again the 127 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:10,200 conversation always comes back every year, it came back with 128 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,400 UNLV, it came back with Gonzaga, it's come back with all these 129 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,300 teams that have been in the tournament undefeated and lo and 130 00:06:17,300 --> 00:06:20,800 behold here we are again and you can't say that it's not relevant 131 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,200 when the last tournament. Last undefeated team was 132 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,900 nineteen. Seventy six and a half inch to 133 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:26,700 be Indiana. Yeah. 134 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:29,100 Well you mentioned the traditions and this we're going 135 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:31,700 to jump into this. Because you mentioned it. 136 00:06:31,700 --> 00:06:34,500 I this is what I really wanted to have you on about is that and 137 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:36,600 by the way if you're not following on Twitter it's a 138 00:06:36,608 --> 00:06:40,300 great follow at IU artifacts but it was actually a tweet. 139 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,000 You had on March 17th. That got me thinking about this 140 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,000 that you tweeted a uniform from the 67 to 70. 141 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,600 Look and it's a it's script. Indiana doubt block, Indiana 142 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,700 down the side. The shorts are just this bizarre 143 00:06:52,700 --> 00:06:57,000 like triangle and you kind of you know the history of like the 144 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,000 I you looking all of this I do think it's interesting. 145 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:03,600 Thing, that a lot of people, you know, our age, we understand 146 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,300 this, but what I'll lay out, I'm not sure everyone fully gets 147 00:07:06,700 --> 00:07:09,200 that when you think of Indiana like the idea of like, well we 148 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,500 run the motion offense and Candy, striped pants. 149 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:16,300 And, you know, the, you know, the the warm-up with the collar, 150 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:20,300 like all that stuff, you know, a lot of it is, is kind of of the 151 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:23,800 era of bob Knight that like, I remember my Grandma had a bunch 152 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,300 of like hurrying Hoosier stuff like the the Hoosiers, the 40s 153 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:29,900 and the 50s and 60s, that my grandmother remembers like they 154 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,700 Were running gun team like they were the Warriors before the 155 00:07:32,700 --> 00:07:34,800 Warriors. Not a lot of Defense, a ton of 156 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,200 push the ball up and then, you know, this jersey kind of got me 157 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,000 thinking that, you know, before before night was a total crazy 158 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,600 different branding. And so I think a lot of people 159 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,500 think that, you know, the way it's been is just way it's 160 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:50,100 always been and I'm not saying it's like, you know, we're stuck 161 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:51,600 in the night. Are what I'm saying is, I don't 162 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,900 think people fully understand there's a lot of history before 163 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:56,300 night. There's two titles before night 164 00:07:57,300 --> 00:08:01,500 and so the idea of like name's not Games like candy stripe, not 165 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:03,800 candy, stripe. Like some of this stuff we had 166 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,900 won titles without Candy Stripes, without all the stuff, 167 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:09,300 we're thinking of running a totally different system, so 168 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,900 there's not really a question there. 169 00:08:11,900 --> 00:08:14,200 There's not something you could talk to that. 170 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,600 I think a lot of people get wrapped up and like this is the 171 00:08:16,608 --> 00:08:19,100 way Indiana basketball is, and it's like, well, it's the way it 172 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:22,000 kind of crystallized and I don't want to give the national guys 173 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,400 credit, but it did kind of crystallized in the 70s and 80s. 174 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,900 And then we got kind of stuck in it, but the history of IU 175 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:31,700 basketball from, you know, the Turn of the sent you a 1900 s to 176 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:35,100 1970 was kind of a lot of different Innovations, different 177 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,500 offenses, and different looks. Yeah. 178 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:38,900 The hurry. The interesting thing I always 179 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:44,100 find is when we talk about the 70 16 and we, you know, I have a 180 00:08:44,108 --> 00:08:47,300 couple of these trophy balls that are that are like 181 00:08:47,300 --> 00:08:50,700 presentation, trophy, balls, and they're painted up and they have 182 00:08:50,700 --> 00:08:53,700 like, you know, 1976 national champions and they say her and 183 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:56,400 Hoosiers on and I always find that ironic because the hurry 184 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,500 and Hoosiers was this McCracken run again style. 185 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:02,600 Where you Write your centers already down at the end of the 186 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,600 floor, they never take the ball inbounds, and you're running an 187 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,500 offense to score as many points and run your opponent out of the 188 00:09:07,500 --> 00:09:09,200 gym. And with night, it was much more 189 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,900 defensive oriented like you said, motion offense for passes, 190 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:15,800 set and go. So, but I think, you know, if 191 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,100 you look back, you know, just in terms of the evolution of 192 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:23,700 McCracken kept things, very specific to his way and then 193 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:26,700 when Lou Watson came in to replace him, the only thing he 194 00:09:26,708 --> 00:09:29,000 really did was change the uniform style like you alluded 195 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,400 to the one I posted. It has like the Chicago Bulls 196 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,900 look of the 70s on it. But I think to me, you know, I 197 00:09:35,908 --> 00:09:40,300 think too many people and myself included to get bogged down 198 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,700 with, we are Indiana. We shouldn't have to change. 199 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:46,900 And I've really, if you had asked me six months ago, I would 200 00:09:46,900 --> 00:09:49,300 have said, hell no, we need to keep things the same. 201 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:53,000 Let's bring the piping back on the uniforms, but to me, we need 202 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,300 a facelift. We need a facelift. 203 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:57,100 And, you know, we hear this term reimage. 204 00:09:57,100 --> 00:09:59,200 We need to re-energize the fan base. 205 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:02,700 Well, When I came in, he re-energize the fan base, he 206 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:06,100 changed everything, he changed the colour, you know, the last 207 00:10:06,100 --> 00:10:09,700 year, the new Watson was here. We wore dark blood Crimson 208 00:10:09,700 --> 00:10:14,200 uniforms and with white and they were like any color we've ever 209 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,900 had and not use them the first season because of financial 210 00:10:16,900 --> 00:10:19,300 situations, they weren't going to buy new uniforms and then 211 00:10:19,300 --> 00:10:22,900 boom, 72-73 they go to the final four and where are they wearing 212 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,600 red and white and think about how far away we were from the 213 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,500 cream and Crimson until, you know, we had that nut job from 214 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:31,700 San Diego Oh, that came in and hijacked the logo, and the 215 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:34,100 colors and all that Michael McNeely. 216 00:10:34,900 --> 00:10:37,500 Yeah. Paying what, $250,000 to stretch 217 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:39,100 the logo. That was a great waste of money. 218 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:42,900 But anyways, my point is not that became the norm and it 219 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:44,900 became the norm because we were successful. 220 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:47,200 You think about the Big Ten titles, you think about the 221 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,100 national titles. And then for someone like me who 222 00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:53,300 grew up in the late 80s, early 90s following IU basketball, 223 00:10:53,300 --> 00:10:55,000 that was the tradition, the candy stripes. 224 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,000 With the long, lapels, the script Indiana on the back, that 225 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,900 was the norm and this in the uniform Style. 226 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,200 Never changed. And I think for me, the one 227 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,700 thing that I appreciated is that even even Tom crean, they 228 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:10,500 dabbled in a little bit of some of some style changes. 229 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:13,100 They wore that one uniform in the Big Ten Tournament, I think 230 00:11:13,100 --> 00:11:16,400 in 2014 where it said Hoosiers on the front was the only time 231 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,300 we've ever worn a uniform with Hoosiers on it. 232 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:22,200 And then we had some alternate Styles and then you know, in 16 233 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:28,300 we go to we go to play it in Hawaii at the the I think of as 234 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:30,500 the power armor game against Kansas, Us and we're in the 235 00:11:30,508 --> 00:11:34,100 wearing those God awful, ugly camo jerseys, but at least it 236 00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:37,600 was something different. And I think I think to me 237 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,900 whoever has to come in Fast and people have to understand that 238 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:43,900 change is going to happen. You know, when Lou Watson came 239 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:47,300 in his second season, he introduced that much different 240 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:50,300 design of had black trim on it and then when night came in he 241 00:11:50,300 --> 00:11:53,900 hijacked that the style and no one, really questioned it and lo 242 00:11:53,900 --> 00:11:56,700 and behold it worked because he won and nobody cared. 243 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,800 I think to me when the coach comes in Going to be, I would 244 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,800 think that they're going to have some input and I think Dolson 245 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,000 would be receptive receptive. Even Dolson who's an old-school 246 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,100 IU basketball, guys manager on the 87 team, he's going to be 247 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:14,500 receptive to listening to a Rebrand because what it's going 248 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:19,400 to do is it may re-energize a fan base that's been kind of in 249 00:12:19,408 --> 00:12:22,200 a law for a really long time. And honestly, if we went, I 250 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,800 could care less. I really could care less. 251 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:27,600 As long as we win, I could care less what the uniforms look 252 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,800 like. That's the reason I wanted. 253 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:34,800 To talk to you specifically for a lot of reasons is but it does. 254 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,400 This is one area where I do think National, you know we have 255 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,700 gotten stuck that you know before night our program was 256 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:44,900 kind of a program of you know new coach comes in new 257 00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:46,700 Innovations like you said, you Branch McCracken. 258 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:48,200 We're going to go through the whole history of things but you 259 00:12:48,208 --> 00:12:50,700 know McCracken ran the hurry and Hoosier style is totally 260 00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:53,100 different style than Watson came in. 261 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:55,800 He changed things up and then like it is night. 262 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,700 Basically changed everything like you know, Candy Stripes, 263 00:12:58,700 --> 00:13:03,100 the, the warm-ups that Colors. The logo, the under 8 timeout, 264 00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:04,600 if that matters, you know, matters to me. 265 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,900 But like that that was from that like all the Traditions came 266 00:13:06,900 --> 00:13:09,800 from night and then we did kind of just like our or locked in 267 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,000 like now we can't change anymore. 268 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,000 When really up to that point our history was you bring a new 269 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,100 coach and they bring in all their ideas. 270 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:18,900 And I agree with you, I think we're at an inflection point 271 00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:22,200 where I love the Traditions more than anybody else. 272 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,100 Like, I remember being on podcast with gaalan talking 273 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:27,900 about stripe outs and how it should work, you know, the Big 274 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:29,800 Heads Drive. Me drove me nuts. 275 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:33,600 But I am at the point where it's like, all right, winning Jared 276 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:34,900 mentioned as I want Jared Morris. 277 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:37,100 Somebody called mentions that one of our other podcasts I love 278 00:13:37,100 --> 00:13:39,300 it. Like winning is the only sacred 279 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:42,000 cow right now and everything else is kind of immaterial. 280 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,400 And if it means we have different jerseys, means you get 281 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,300 rid of the Candy Stripes, it means we have names and back, I 282 00:13:46,308 --> 00:13:49,000 don't care. I want to have a better program 283 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,900 and what's also kind of fun. As if you have a new coach come 284 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:54,100 in, let's say this get rid of candy stripes and put names on 285 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:55,500 The Backs. I know that that's like, you 286 00:13:55,500 --> 00:13:58,400 know, Nails on a chalkboard for everybody but then you know, 287 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,100 five or six years from then you. Retro make hate, we're bringing 288 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:04,200 back the candy stripes and then it's like you can get a, we're 289 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,200 gonna go back to the old, they try things, but II do think that 290 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,500 is something that I hope we see with a new coach that they come 291 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:14,000 in. And kind of have a stamp that 292 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,200 says, this is my program, like, I'm going to take control and 293 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,900 you got to, you got to be comfortable me grabbing the 294 00:14:18,900 --> 00:14:22,100 wheel for a while and I don't think this is why Archie had 295 00:14:22,100 --> 00:14:25,700 issues. But you did feel with Archie, he 296 00:14:25,700 --> 00:14:28,800 kind of felt it again. This is me psychoanalyzing you 297 00:14:28,808 --> 00:14:31,200 but it did feel like he was kind of just boxed in and didn't feel 298 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,500 like he could be himself and maybe that bled too. 299 00:14:33,508 --> 00:14:35,100 Like I can't really run the offense. 300 00:14:35,100 --> 00:14:36,400 I rotten the defense, I want that. 301 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,400 It's like I'm kind of I'm stuck in this very small box and I 302 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,700 can't change the songs, I can't change the pants, I can't change 303 00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:45,700 anything and like I'm just I'm playing a part as an actor 304 00:14:45,700 --> 00:14:50,500 versus me being able to do my own role well and to his credit. 305 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:54,100 I did hear Whispers that for a glass was it was more of a 306 00:14:54,108 --> 00:14:56,600 traditionalist and didn't like the alternates and wanting 307 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,800 things very one-dimensional. No matter how many options 308 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,300 mock-ups. That have that were created by 309 00:15:02,300 --> 00:15:04,900 Adidas. The one thing I think about with 310 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,100 with night also that I think was a struggle to carry over is 311 00:15:09,100 --> 00:15:11,300 that? Because he brought in so many 312 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:14,800 players from Indiana. They didn't need the flashiness, 313 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,800 you know, the locker room had plywood lockers and they were 314 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,100 about as Plain Jane's. You could possibly imagine 315 00:15:20,300 --> 00:15:22,100 nowadays. You walk into the locker room 316 00:15:22,100 --> 00:15:23,800 and you see what's there and you see. 317 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,000 Now every time you update your facilities within two years, 318 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,000 they're outdated again and It's just the norm of the society is 319 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:35,600 you're not going to be able to find the types of players 320 00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:39,600 everywhere every year inside Indiana, especially that are 321 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,700 going to come to Indiana, tradition only for the 322 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:44,700 tradition. I think those days are gone. 323 00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:47,600 I don't think we are going to be able to get those guys like Mike 324 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,600 Lewis or a Luke wrecker and you know, some people may not want 325 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,100 me to mention record but my point is that guys who came to 326 00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:57,500 Indiana specifically because they knew what they were coming 327 00:15:57,500 --> 00:15:59,700 for, they knew about the tradition, we here, you know. 328 00:15:59,900 --> 00:16:03,500 When we hear from recruits they you know they say well you know 329 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:06,300 I've heard about the tradition but they really don't they don't 330 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,000 want to play here because of the Candy Stripes they want to play 331 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,500 here because they want to win national titles. 332 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:15,000 They're aware that we've won five but they want to be a part 333 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,200 of something. And I think the rebranding thing 334 00:16:17,500 --> 00:16:19,900 is something that is going to be inevitable and I think in the 335 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:22,200 long run the traditionalists are just going to have to get on 336 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,400 board with it and and if not then they're just going to be a 337 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,500 part of the honestly the problem because you have to embrace 338 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:31,300 change. And I'm one that does not like 339 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:33,700 change from a historical standpoint and tradition 340 00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:36,100 standpoint. But for me like, you know, 341 00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:38,300 alluding to what Jared said, we need to win. 342 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,500 You need to win now. And if the coach wants to come 343 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:43,400 in and do his thing, I'm all for it. 344 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Well, again, I think that we're almost going against what 345 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,800 Indiana is like, Indiana was a university of change like the 346 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,300 basketball program changed over and over again. 347 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:54,400 And then we did this kind of get caught in the night thing, I 348 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,800 would say this to, this is a very small point, but back when 349 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,000 you could play like the end, Belay football video games, the 350 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,099 NCAA basketball video games. I'm an IU fan. 351 00:17:04,099 --> 00:17:06,800 I'd always play with IU. But then it's like, all right, 352 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,500 like that. Got boring because Without You 353 00:17:08,508 --> 00:17:10,500 footballs, like you had two jerseys, and then it's like, I'm 354 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:12,599 gonna go play the organ. It's like, it's fun as hell, 355 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:14,400 because they have, like, 80 different jerseys, and, I mean, 356 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,599 12 helmet. Yeah. 357 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:18,599 Yeah, there's yeah. And I mean, I know, it's silly 358 00:17:18,700 --> 00:17:21,800 and my dad would be like, I, what you're talking makes no 359 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,599 sense to me, but it's like, it matters. 360 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:25,900 Like you literally just have LeBron joking about how like 361 00:17:25,900 --> 00:17:29,300 nobody plays with a jazz on NBA 2K and it's like this. 362 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,600 It sounds silly and you kind of scoff but it's like this kind of 363 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,300 this shit matters. And I remember the buzz and the 364 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:40,600 interest when football came out with their uniforms and the the 365 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,200 Chrome striped helmet that I'm looking at behind you, like 366 00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:45,500 that. Put IU football in a different 367 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:47,100 spot people feel like. Wow. 368 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:48,400 That's cool. Like that's it's something 369 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,700 different it's Unique and you know football is able to kind of 370 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:54,300 do that because it's like a blank slate and there's almost 371 00:17:54,300 --> 00:17:57,600 like a negative amount of tradition football so it's like 372 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:03,100 you can do whatever you want. But yeah I really hope that no 373 00:18:03,100 --> 00:18:05,700 matter who comes out of this coaching search, it's somebody 374 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:08,800 who's willing to say look there's no sacred, there's 375 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,200 nothing sacred on the table here. 376 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:15,200 And in fact, we need to change stuff up because it is, you 377 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,300 know, the other story that I've heard too is that you mentioned 378 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:19,500 the locker rooms? Like I've heard this multiple 379 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:22,200 places, I'm not getting in the way, like my understanding is 380 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,500 that Romeo Langford was the one who was like, yo, man, like I'm 381 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:26,500 getting recruited by other schools and your facilities 382 00:18:26,500 --> 00:18:28,900 aren't up to Snuff and like, that's that's kind of what drove 383 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:29,700 that? Zeller ola. 384 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:34,300 Depot kind of Players Lounge and to me it's like it's it's good 385 00:18:34,300 --> 00:18:36,500 that that happen that way it's good that we did it. 386 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,500 But why do you have an 18 year old recruit telling you? 387 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:42,700 Your stuff is not up to snuff? Like why are you not as a 388 00:18:42,700 --> 00:18:45,900 university being proactive to be like, we've got to get ahead of 389 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:48,100 the Joneses here. And you need you need somebody 390 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:50,400 kind of driving that force and it really, it should be the 391 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,500 basketball coach, because they're the one tied into that. 392 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,700 Yeah. And I think that's the one thing 393 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:57,400 about the tradition talk is that, you know, we want to hear 394 00:18:57,408 --> 00:19:02,200 about tradition, but, you know, The kids these days unless 395 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,600 they've heard from about Bob knife from their parents, or 396 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,400 they've watched the video of him throwing the chair, the years, 397 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,300 keep passing, and passing in the connection between the current 398 00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:15,000 generation and night. It continues to become more and 399 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,700 more distant. And so I think when we thought 400 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:20,600 when we think about what is traditionally IU basketball 401 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,700 under bob Knight, no one's going to know what that means today. 402 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,100 Unless you grew up on Indiana basketball, no one's going to 403 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:29,600 know. And nowadays it is about what is 404 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,900 going. To be flashy, what is going to 405 00:19:30,908 --> 00:19:32,500 be new, what is going to be different. 406 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:34,900 And I think for football, you know, you talk about the 407 00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:37,000 rebranding, that was one of the best things, Kevin Wilson and we 408 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,600 did is change things up from the monotony of the block II or the 409 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,200 Trident or whatever. I love the block. 410 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,500 I love the traditional look. But the, you know, on a night 411 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:49,000 where it was raining and you saw the water dripping down the side 412 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,300 of those chrome helmets that was a damn good look. 413 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,200 And so I think you know, and that's one of the things that 414 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,900 we, you know, and I'm not putting this on Archie because 415 00:19:56,900 --> 00:20:00,300 everybody blames him from having no personality and not being You 416 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:04,000 know, someone that wants to come in and shake hands and kiss 417 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,100 babies. You just wanted to coach 418 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:09,400 basketball but we need something and as crazy as cream could be, 419 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,500 he tried to do that. He tried to be someone that was 420 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:14,400 going to energize the fan base and it did work. 421 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,700 He just alienated. So many people in athletics, 422 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,300 let's just face it. So I think come in with a new 423 00:20:21,300 --> 00:20:26,500 Fresh idea in get the energized program, going change things up 424 00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:30,300 so that you are getting people to buy into the fact that That 425 00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:32,500 changes. Good changes going to happen, 426 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,300 but winds are going to come are going to happen with it. 427 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:40,400 When and I think that is that is kind of the the Panacea that 428 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,400 solves everything is that, you know, winning is what matters 429 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,100 because it is. We talk about football and I'm 430 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:46,100 looking at the helmets there, it's like, you know, Kim 431 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:49,800 Cameron, tried the oval. That was a massive Rebrand, but 432 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,200 we didn't win, like, we might look back. 433 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,700 By the way, I have a, there's always a soft spot that was the 434 00:20:54,700 --> 00:20:55,700 time. I went to IU. 435 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:57,400 That's what that was my four years in college. 436 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,600 Like, I have a soft spot for that in my heart. 437 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,100 Yeah. Had we one of two Big Ten titles 438 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,100 with the oval. Like we've looked back on that 439 00:21:05,100 --> 00:21:08,000 way differently than we do now. I think part of the reason we 440 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,200 look at the Kevin Wilson and Tom Allen rebrands like it's working 441 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,600 and so in the end like you just need some wins and obviously you 442 00:21:14,608 --> 00:21:17,200 know I'd rather have a coach come in and win then you know, 443 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,100 change our, change our warm-ups and then also lose. 444 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:24,000 But it does feel like the two are somewhat tied together 445 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,700 because you know kids are different. 446 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:29,600 These days interests are different, you know. 447 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:33,000 What's important is a little bit different and I always like, I 448 00:21:33,008 --> 00:21:36,700 keep on equating to my dad, but having my Dad, I'm trying to 449 00:21:36,708 --> 00:21:39,400 talk to him like to meet Christian Christian. 450 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,900 Landers like a perfect example of what is kind of wrong with 451 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:46,500 the IU fan base at times is I'll use my dad again as an example. 452 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,300 He's like well Landers not good like why should you play more 453 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:51,400 and like well Daddy's a five-star who reclassified the 454 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,400 he needs to play more. My dad's like but he's not good. 455 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,200 It's like I get it, but five stars who reclassify don't come 456 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,500 to play four minutes and if you play them for minutes like they 457 00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:02,300 have Watch a you friends who then aren't going to now. 458 00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:06,000 Come like he wants to come and play in the NBA and then and my 459 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,900 dad's point is valid like well he's not good enough. 460 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:12,300 It's like I get it but you got to figure it out and these kids 461 00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:15,100 are here to win but they're also here to become, professional 462 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:18,200 athletes, and go ahead. Not come in here, they're not 463 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,900 coming here to sit on the bench. Not coming here to burn a year 464 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:23,100 as a redshirt. You know, that, you know, the 465 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:26,000 days about and some programs can do that. 466 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,900 But yeah, if you got a guy that's coming in and he's Going 467 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:32,400 in as a five-star. You want him to see him on the 468 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,000 floor because you want that to be the standard to get more 469 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,900 players and get better talent. And I, you know, I and part of 470 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:42,800 it, you know, what, if a Coach comes in and wins and he keeps 471 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,900 things the same more power to them if we can win without 472 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:47,300 putting names on the back of jerseys. 473 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:50,300 Great. But if we need to do something, 474 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:52,800 I'll just leave it at this if we need to do something different 475 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,100 to re-energize the fan base. Fine. 476 00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:57,200 And if the haters want to hate then let them hate. 477 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,900 But they're going to eventually going to have to get on board 478 00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:01,100 and support the Game or just going. 479 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,800 That's why I see ya. So before we talk a little bit 480 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,600 about the coaching search and where we're at, you know? 481 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,900 Do you? Do you have any kind of like 482 00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:13,500 final thoughts or just, you know, overall idea feelings from 483 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:16,000 the Archie error that you want to get out or just kind of, you 484 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,700 know, saying goodbye to to the last four years? 485 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:25,700 You know, I kept waiting for the hump, you know, I kept waiting 486 00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:28,400 and I keep hearing all these topic talks about, you know, the 487 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,400 first season he had was his Is probably his best team overall 488 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,000 and and where it is Romeo fit. And I was little listening to a 489 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,900 little bit of you and Gail and talking about this morning. 490 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,600 You know, that that Romeo Season is still a mystery to me about, 491 00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:46,100 you know, that hold that hold kind of fit together. 492 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,000 I just the thing that got me. So frustrated is where I was 493 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:56,400 hearing the same rhetoric from Archie in your 401, you know, it 494 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,600 was the same, you know, we're not playing tough, we're not. 495 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,700 Taking shots, we're not doing this and it just comes down to a 496 00:24:02,708 --> 00:24:06,100 point where you take initiative. You take control of your team in 497 00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:09,600 a way. And, and again, I'm, I'm the 498 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,700 classic, you know, you know, I'm the, I'm the Lazy Boy, coach 499 00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:16,700 sitting there and screaming at the TV and I never played 500 00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:19,000 basketball competitively after middle school. 501 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,200 So what the hell? I know, but from a fan 502 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,700 standpoint, it just never seemed like things were improving. 503 00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:27,400 Like we would have a great game and then things would fall off 504 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,800 the rails and then, you know, it was like I can't really imagine 505 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,600 can't remember a team shooting worse in my lifetime and I you 506 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,600 history. So I just felt that that that 507 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,400 was always this Dark Cloud over Archie and I could care less if 508 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,500 he just wanted to be a basketball coach and didn't want 509 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:46,200 it all the other Fanfare. But when when you're not 510 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,700 changing your tune, when the rhetorics not changing and 511 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:51,400 things just don't feel, right? And you have that gut feeling 512 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,100 inside of just something's got to give here and it's not 513 00:24:54,100 --> 00:24:58,100 giving. Then I I applaud Dolson for 514 00:24:58,100 --> 00:25:00,900 making the change because I think Going into this season, 515 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,200 the animosity would have been at an all-time high ticket sales 516 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,800 would have been low especially after this year when the 517 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,800 Athletic Department lost, however, many tens of millions 518 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,900 of dollars in Lost Revenue. I just think that, you know, 519 00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:16,900 this was the opportunity and you could say, well, you know, bad 520 00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:20,700 bad publicity during a pandemic are, well, Auburn, did it say, 521 00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:23,300 you know, Temple did it schools did it? 522 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:26,800 So, I just think the change was the right time I was high on 523 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,700 Hachi when he came in, but it just didn't click in the The 524 00:25:29,708 --> 00:25:31,700 end? Yeah, well, I've said this a 525 00:25:31,708 --> 00:25:34,800 couple different places. I think, you know, we're some of 526 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,000 the national guys are doing the, you know, the super easy like, 527 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000 oh, are you fans are overreacting, like why do they 528 00:25:40,008 --> 00:25:43,900 expect more? I think what was good about this 529 00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:46,800 move in? A lot of ways, is that it saved 530 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,700 us from kind of that last year that we had with crean wherever, 531 00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:51,800 you know, people had already dug in their heels. 532 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,500 They didn't, you know, you can't fire crane after a Big Ten 533 00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:55,900 title. So you have to give him that. 534 00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:58,300 Let that next year, I think they shouldn't probably should happen 535 00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:00,200 to earlier but like people Dug in. 536 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,800 And then it got just kind of ugly and funky at the end. 537 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,700 Everyone we've talked to and everyone I've heard on podcast 538 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:08,000 is all kind of had the same feel, which is like, hey, I 539 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:10,500 think this is a good, a good breakup. 540 00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:13,200 And like I have no ill will toward Archie. 541 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,500 I think had we done it. Another year, had we waited 542 00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:18,400 another year? Yeah, the buyout would have been 543 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,500 less, but I think it would have been a pretty unhappy divorce. 544 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:23,500 Like, I don't think people would be saying like, oh, well, you 545 00:26:23,508 --> 00:26:25,400 know, I wish Archie well and it's like, it would have been 546 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,200 like, man, this guy screwed us up and like now we got to 547 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,800 rebuild again, that there would have been Mysterious Venom 548 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,100 probably on both sides. And so I think it was very, very 549 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:40,500 smart of Dolson to see that and react because you're even seeing 550 00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:43,000 it now, just the amount of Interest that's like, back in 551 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,700 basketball, I knew it. I was mentioning it. 552 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:50,400 I was feeling how lack how lackluster the interest was. 553 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,700 I don't think I fully understood even till now. 554 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,000 When you see just stuff lighting up and people just getting so 555 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,800 fired up a basketball game. It's great but I just didn't 556 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,400 even realize how Much of the fan base is kind of just gone into 557 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,100 hibernation mode. Yeah. 558 00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:07,100 And you know I heard it was listening to Archie's comments 559 00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:10,600 after the Rutgers game you could just kind of tell that he knew 560 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,400 what was coming. You know he kind of said you 561 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,500 know that's above my pay grade and the athletic department is 562 00:27:14,508 --> 00:27:19,300 going to make the decision but he sounded like a guy that was 563 00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:21,500 almost relieved. Like it was going to be over. 564 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,900 I don't know if I want to look at it that way specifically 565 00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:26,700 because I don't see him as someone who's giving up. 566 00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:29,500 But I just I didn't see an emotion. 567 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,300 On him of I'm going to fight, like, hell to keep my job. 568 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:34,400 I'm going to do whatever I can to keep my job. 569 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,300 It's almost like he expected it and I was a little surprised 570 00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,200 when I heard the announcement, but then in the end, I was like, 571 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,500 you know, like you said the timings right next year. 572 00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:47,200 If we had sucked again, the Mutiny would have been there. 573 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,300 And, you know, it's, I saw someone posts something on 574 00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:54,700 Twitter where, you know, there was a couple of major donors who 575 00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:58,200 got sick of of cream and then he got fired. 576 00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:00,600 But it was almost like the entire And bass was coming at 577 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,800 Archie with the pitchforks. Yeah, yeah. 578 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:09,400 So where we're at now is you know we had where we sit now. 579 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,700 It's Tuesday, it is March 23rd, I guess Calbert cheaney is our 580 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:18,100 hot coaching Prospect? Like we what are your thoughts 581 00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:20,300 of where we're at? We have the the week-long Brad 582 00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:23,800 Stevens fever dream. I'd love to get your thoughts on 583 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,900 that. We had the weekend of like Mike 584 00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:28,500 Woodson is interviewing and then people freaking out like that's 585 00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:29,500 good. That's bad word. 586 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,500 Does that sit on the state of the program? 587 00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:34,500 You know? Now, it seems like we're talking 588 00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:37,800 Calbert cheaney, you know, the something funky happened 589 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,100 yesterday, where it almost feels like there was a vendetta to get 590 00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:43,400 that Thad Matta thing out there. Like I don't know why that's 591 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,900 somebody comes out and like we're talking about his health 592 00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:47,600 which I know he's got health issues but it should as it 593 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,500 could. That was just that was all 594 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:52,200 nothing was good about that. But that was almost like we want 595 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,900 to have a hatchet job for both fat and I you it it I use been 596 00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:00,700 so tight-lipped about this. I think it's great. 597 00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:02,900 And by the way I think fans should just like, take a breath. 598 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,400 It's going to take some time and even today I knew it was gonna 599 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,800 happen. Like Armand, Franklin said he's 600 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,600 going in the transfer portal which doesn't mean he's 601 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,500 transferring it, to me. He's keeping his options open, 602 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,700 which he should, we don't have a coach but everyone's now like, 603 00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:15,800 oh my God, I see on Twitter. Like, you know, some people are 604 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,800 saying. Well look, we gotta get it, we 605 00:29:16,808 --> 00:29:17,900 gotta get a coach. We got higher. 606 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:22,700 It's like, nope, we calm down. But I'm I'm what are your 607 00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:24,000 thoughts? As we've gone through this 608 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,600 process? Well, I'm exhausted. 609 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,500 First and foremost because you need well, I'm one of those 610 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,300 Those idiots that is glued to pigs and I know I shouldn't be 611 00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:36,400 on the click bait, you know, junkie when it comes to this 612 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,300 kind of stuff and and but I think no one truly knows. 613 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,700 I give I give props to Dolson. He and his inner circle are not 614 00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:46,800 leaking a damn thing and I think it's a great thing. 615 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,900 Yeah. But I think part of it also is 616 00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:51,800 that we are patience level is through the roof, but I think I 617 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,600 can't remember if it who posted it. 618 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,500 That, you know, we're in that were in that buffer in that zone 619 00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:59,400 right now where the previous hires. 620 00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:02,500 You've had the last three have been, you know, late March. 621 00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:04,000 So we should expect something soon. 622 00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:06,500 The Stevens thing, you know, it's interesting. 623 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,300 I kept hearing different things about, you know, it's definitely 624 00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:12,600 going to happen to know. There's no chance in how I never 625 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,800 felt good about it because, you know, you know who leaves collar 626 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,300 lose the MBA for college these days, which I think is an 627 00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:21,100 interesting point. And does he really want to come 628 00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:24,600 back and relive a Boyhood dream about, you know, coaching the 629 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,500 team that he grew up on? But it did seem more real than 630 00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:32,400 the, you know, No erroneous garbage that we were fed about 631 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,600 Billy Donovan which you know, my brother-in-law was on Donovan 632 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,100 staff as a grad assistant in Florida when I called him and 633 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,400 said, hey there's some crazy rumor that dominance here with 634 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,000 his wife looking at horse farm. She's like, are you that stupid 635 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,800 to believe that? You know, I Caillou gobel is not 636 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,000 going to happen and so yeah. But you know, I knew it was a 637 00:30:51,008 --> 00:30:54,600 long shot, but it was clear that I you made an effort for. 638 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,800 There may have been an offer may not have been, who knows but 639 00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:00,200 it's not going to happen but Concern. 640 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,100 Before I go into some specifics is I'm just worried that we were 641 00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:09,500 so emotionally invested in Stevens and everybody got caught 642 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:11,600 in with Steven fever. Whether it was through social 643 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,600 media, or pigs or b-town, banners, whatever you follow 644 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,400 that. Whoever we choose is going to be 645 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,400 underwhelming to so many people, I think, initially, I think the 646 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,700 shock and all about, oh my gosh, this is not up to the speed of 647 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:28,800 where we want and I think over time whoever it is, is going to 648 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:29,500 be the right? Hire an expert. 649 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,300 I trust Dolson, a hundred percent on this because he knows 650 00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:35,700 I just think he's going to make the ride higher but I just think 651 00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:39,300 for me it was so emotionally exhausting, you know, I was 652 00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:42,300 driving back from Jasper, Indiana going home and my phone 653 00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:46,000 was blowing up and I'm there on Highway 231 pulling over going. 654 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000 What the hell is going on? Hey, you know, they said, it's 655 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,700 official my buddy said my fishing but I'm like, oh my 656 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:55,200 gosh, is this got crazy and so I'm at the point now where I 657 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,300 really don't care to know a day or five minutes or an hour 658 00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:01,000 before. I'll know when I No, because I 659 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,100 just can't handle any more speculation. 660 00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:05,200 I can't handle any more about. You know. 661 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,700 Thad Matta is physical which what is this? 662 00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:11,000 Like an NBA Prospect situations? Like an NBA draft workout thing. 663 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,200 I mean it sounds terrible. But I really I just can't handle 664 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,000 the emotional stress of speculation about anymore. 665 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,200 I have my theories about who could be, you know, whether Mike 666 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,200 Woodson interviewed on Saturday, which is the word now from what 667 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,700 I'm hearing from people or whether that's really Going to 668 00:32:29,708 --> 00:32:33,100 be the situation. I just think the Stevens thing 669 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,000 was a pipe was just such. It was just so unrealistic for 670 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,900 so many reasons and I think I commend Olson for going after it 671 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,000 and going after the white whale, I just think in the end, I'm 672 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,900 worried about our emotional well-being with whoever we hire 673 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:51,200 because it's not Brad Stevens. I completely agree. 674 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,500 And I'm I'm as guilty of that as anybody else as well. 675 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:56,700 So I can't say like, I'm immune from that to be like I got 676 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,400 pretty caught up in it just mentally thinking about it. 677 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,600 Last week, I never thought it was a full possibility but 678 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,900 things started to line up and kind of A Beautiful Mind way or 679 00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:07,700 I'm connecting dots. And it's like, all right, like 680 00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:11,000 this, this kind of makes sense. I can see this happened. 681 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,600 The thing that I could never figure out was the timing. 682 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,200 Like there was never a way to make the timing click in. 683 00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:18,700 And then yeah. Now that I'm like, back on the 684 00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:20,000 list of the other people. It's like alright well 685 00:33:20,008 --> 00:33:22,700 everyone's got some warts and now it's like all right you know 686 00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:25,000 we're at a point now where it's at Chris beard is going to be a 687 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,800 disappointment which we should be at that or if that's him just 688 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,800 learning a name out like we should Don't be at that place. 689 00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:34,800 I agree with you. Like, if I had based on no 690 00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:38,800 knowledge, it does feel Dolson did in my mind, what he had to 691 00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:39,800 do. It feels like that. 692 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,800 He put it off for out there or at least reached out and said, 693 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,100 look, we have an opening and we want you to be our coach and 694 00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:48,500 we'd like to give, you know, we're ready to come with a real 695 00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:50,900 offer. And it feels like Stephen said, 696 00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:53,300 no and how much you know whether they discuss numbers are close 697 00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:56,800 to God, I have no idea but I definitely feel that that Dolson 698 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,400 through through a line out there, which she had to do. 699 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,000 And you know I've said this and I think everyone needs to keep 700 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,600 it in their mind like we did that and now it's like all right 701 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,500 we kind of could put Brad Stevens to bed forever and 702 00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:11,600 that's fine. Like and at some point he might 703 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,199 get fired from the Celtics great and at some point he might go 704 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,600 back to college. And I mean coach others would. 705 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,699 Like I don't think any of that needs to be a referendum on 706 00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:23,199 where Indiana is or isn't as a program. 707 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,699 It could just be that Brad. Stevens doesn't want to coach 708 00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:27,600 here or he wants to coach a different school. 709 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,000 He likes other opportunities or he likes the Ba or there's a 710 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,900 million other reasons, may be why, or why? 711 00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:37,600 He doesn't want to coach in college or not this college, you 712 00:34:37,607 --> 00:34:40,000 know, maybe it's just ships passing in the night. 713 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,500 It was never, it was never meant to be, it doesn't have to be a 714 00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:46,000 referendum on. Can we get the biggest and best 715 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,400 higher that we want? So, I'm with you, I'm at a point 716 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,000 now, kind of in a Zen spot where I'm enjoying watching all these 717 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,199 coaches in the tournament like that, be a fun style like that 718 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,800 would be fun. Kind of, you know, hoping all 719 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,400 the night can talk myself into Almost anybody. 720 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,100 And like I said to Gail in this morning, I'm kind of past the 721 00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:06,400 point of, you know, I don't want to win the press conference like 722 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,800 who cares like Mike I want to win three years from now and I 723 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,100 know it's a it's such a simple thing to say but it's like I 724 00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:16,300 could talk myself into or out of anybody. 725 00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:18,000 So it's like you could say, all right? 726 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,800 Chris speier, that's great. That shows we can get, we can 727 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,100 pull somebody at Texas Tech great. 728 00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:24,500 Like is it gonna win like Mike Woodson like okay great, we 729 00:35:24,508 --> 00:35:26,100 brought back like maybe we, you know. 730 00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,000 Yeah, that's our fifth choice. Is he gonna win? 731 00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:31,100 Like, you know, I I mentioned earlier again like Juwan Howard 732 00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:33,400 was kind of everyone kind of around the Big Ten was like, all 733 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,100 right, what the fuck is Michigan doing? 734 00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:37,500 Like her, they are they even legitimately caring about 735 00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:40,100 basketball anymore and like, it looks pretty good right about 736 00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:44,800 now. So it's not the best dancers. 737 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,800 Like we'll know the answer in three years. 738 00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:49,900 That said it is fun to kind of look at all the coaches and play 739 00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:55,000 the horse trading game it is and it's a nervous excitement about, 740 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,600 you know, and we were at this point, you know, with Korean and 741 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,700 we were at this point with Archie about this Just 742 00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,800 excitement about where the direction of the program is 743 00:36:01,808 --> 00:36:04,400 going to go and we're rabid fans and other, I mean, look what 744 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,700 we're doing, we're talking about basketball on a podcast, on a 745 00:36:06,707 --> 00:36:11,500 Tuesday afternoon so I'm with you my 15 podcasts always. 746 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:14,600 Yeah, absolutely. It's been fun to listen to 747 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,800 everything but I think I'm with you. 748 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,200 I can see the positives on a lot of these. 749 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,600 Whether it's, you know, whether it's Chris beard or whether it's 750 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,800 Musselman or whether it's Mike Woodson or even a beeline 751 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,200 situation. I think it's just exciting to 752 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,500 know. No, that that there could 753 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:33,000 potentially be he'll have those candidates. 754 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,500 May have already said. No thanks. 755 00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:36,100 And we're just purely speculating because I think 756 00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:37,700 that's what everybody's doing right now. 757 00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:41,300 We're all just, again, we're guilty of the click baiting but 758 00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:45,300 are, you know, buying into that. But, you know, I just, you know, 759 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:49,500 I in the Juwan, Howard thing makes me think a lot about what 760 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:53,000 about Calbert cheaney now. Does does yeah, Cheney have the 761 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,600 pedigree of being in the NBA after playing as much as Howard 762 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,800 did, maybe not but You know, Howard was the face of the 763 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,200 program in the early 90s and, you know, I just, you know, I 764 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:11,100 think, I don't know. I just to me, I'm with you, I 765 00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:14,600 want to see our program, not finishing 8th, or 9th, or 10th 766 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,800 in the Big Ten and your three. I want us to be in the upper 767 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,700 third, you know, contending for a net for a Big Ten Championship 768 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:24,600 going to the tournament and not getting beat by a 13 seed in the 769 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,100 first round or something like that. 770 00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:29,800 And so that to me is success and that to me, is Righting the 771 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,200 ship. Yeah, of the candidates that are 772 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,900 out there who are you kind of looking at? 773 00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:37,700 Who do you? Who do you like, and who do you 774 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:40,300 have interest in or who do you think could be a good fit? 775 00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:44,200 Well, I'm going to kind of go with who I think is a great 776 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,300 novelty suggestion but I don't see it happening. 777 00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:50,800 And that's Mike Woodson I think you know, he has that you know 778 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,600 the Legacy top five all-time scoring, probably one of the 779 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,600 best players ever to not win a National Title at IU and you 780 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,500 know where those guys that You know that you wish had wanted an 781 00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:03,800 80 if they hadn't been heard everybody on the team was hurt. 782 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,400 But I think, I think you know, and I think Jared assembly 783 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,300 called made some really good Arguments for him, but I don't 784 00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:15,900 see a 10 million dollar buyout to bring in a guy that is in his 785 00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:21,200 60s that again, most of the younger fanbase doesn't even 786 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,200 know who he is, you know? And I'm not, and again, there 787 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,400 may be plenty of people in the fan base, you don't do Calbert 788 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,300 cheaney is, but I think with Calbert, I think he brings 789 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:35,000 Brings more of a, of a positivity to the the bring it 790 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,500 back. And I you guys situation, 791 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,800 honestly, I kind of sent around to people. 792 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,400 I sent around a Chris beard situation. 793 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,900 Who again, if you want to go to the six degrees of, okay, he 794 00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:49,900 coached at Texas Tech with Mike Lewis and he was you know kind 795 00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:52,100 of under the tutelage of coaching tree of bob Knight. 796 00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:55,700 Sure but I think for me I watching his style play, 797 00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:59,300 watching his defense watching, his enthusiasm, his personality 798 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,400 I think all those would fit in now whether he leaves taxes, you 799 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,200 know, he's a Texas guys wise Texas guy, he's been there. 800 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:09,100 That's a good question. And the other thing that 801 00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:13,900 intrigues me is the B-Line situation, with some kind of IU 802 00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:17,300 connection as The Heir Apparent successor. 803 00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:21,700 My only concern with that is is how do you draw up a contract 804 00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:23,800 with the guy you're hiring to say? 805 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,100 Oh by the way, you have to hand the keys, over to this assassin, 806 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:30,400 this assistant in three years and not Your guide necessarily, 807 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,500 you know, whether that is a Mike Lewis or whether you know, five 808 00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:36,700 would come here with an assist for an assistant job, it doesn't 809 00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:38,800 make any sense for him to do that unless he's going to get 810 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,900 the head coaching job. I don't know. 811 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:46,400 I think that to me are the two that I'm kind of looking at I 812 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,100 was going into this situation, you know? 813 00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:51,600 And I've seen this argument put out there, you don't go after a 814 00:39:51,607 --> 00:39:55,000 coach just because of the Run, they're making in the NCAA 815 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,900 tournament. Otherwise, if you don't, look if 816 00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:58,900 you're not looking at that coach, before the NCAA 817 00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:01,800 tournament, Then you shouldn't consider them, you know, and I'm 818 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,500 kind of buying into that. So I would be I would be fine 819 00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:08,000 with either one of those. I really like the B-Line 820 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,900 intrigued about. Yeah, he has the age but my 821 00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:14,400 gosh, look at his track record and if you pair him up with 822 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,700 somebody, that could be someone connected with IU and that could 823 00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:22,200 work out logistically to where you hand the keys over to him 824 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,800 under his system, then I would be all for it. 825 00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,500 Yeah, I'll say this kind of going backwards, you know, the B 826 00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:32,200 line thing. I mean, AI think if he was a 827 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,600 real we're all speculating here. Obviously, I feel like if he was 828 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,100 a real candidate, he would have been hired by. 829 00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:42,300 Now, like, I feel like if he was the number two Choice, like, I 830 00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:44,300 when Steven says no, it's like, all right, let's just lock us up 831 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:47,600 and get moving. So I wonder about that. 832 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,900 I also, you know, it's like you're looking at five or six 833 00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:53,100 years. And when you look at what it, 834 00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:55,900 took him to get going at West Virginia, Took him to get going 835 00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:58,000 at Michigan. It takes him two or three years 836 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,400 to get going and maybe he'll get things going a little better 837 00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:03,700 here. But I do Wonder as like if he 838 00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:06,500 comes in and like struggles has a tough first year or two then 839 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:08,500 suddenly it's like alright well shit, we only have three years. 840 00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:11,400 Like we're already kind of like the clock is already the clock's 841 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,900 ticking and as Galen is pointed out a lot of coaches don't want 842 00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:16,900 to just say, all right, well you have to hire three assistants 843 00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,200 that were making, you hire who are going to be your Heir 844 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,100 apparents. So I don't know, there's a part 845 00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,600 of me that thinks and again for everything we talked about as 846 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,400 well kind of needing a Rebrand kind of needing someone to take 847 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,500 the whole of the program and say we're taking this direction. 848 00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:35,200 Like I'm not sure a guy who's 68 who's looking at the end of his 849 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,700 career. Is really the one who's going to 850 00:41:36,707 --> 00:41:40,800 have the energy to do that. You know, there's a lot of 851 00:41:40,808 --> 00:41:43,300 things about crispier that you really like, you look at his 852 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:47,100 look at his team's, the adjusted offense has been in the top 50 853 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,400 for every year since 2000 16, there are just a defense has 854 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,900 been, you know, in the top 20. And sometimes they'll three 855 00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:58,900 years in a row in the top 10 He has, he's had, you know, an 856 00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:02,700 elite a to run a final run, you know, final four run. 857 00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:06,000 So he's had some some continued success at Texas Tech a place. 858 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,500 It's not easy to win. The only thing that I would say 859 00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:12,600 that we're kind of echoing things I've heard in other 860 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,800 places is, it's not my money, so spend it and go nuts Tolson, but 861 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,500 it's a, you know, he's making a lot of money. 862 00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:23,200 There's a big buyout there, your it's a huge investment. 863 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,100 If you're going to get him, I do. 864 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,100 Now he's going to take less money so you're probably going 865 00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:30,300 to have now the second or first highest paid coach in college 866 00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:35,000 basketball which is awesome but again it's like this is a it's a 867 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,800 huge investment. Hold on. 868 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,200 We're going to be interrupted by my eight-year-old. 869 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,400 Yeah, buddy. Yes, you can have a snack close 870 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,900 the door, please. Gotta have a snack guarantee. 871 00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:49,600 He's going, we have the little Nutella sticks, so I'm keeping 872 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,700 that in James, he has to be, that's James. 873 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,500 He's on, I've said, before his favorite players Alderaan. 874 00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:57,300 So he's in a tough spot. So I'll give me a break. 875 00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:59,900 Same with my nine-year-old. So I Kudos, yeah. 876 00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:01,900 It's because he wore number one in basketball. 877 00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:04,900 An hour's number one, but sorry, we're at was with Crispy. 878 00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:10,600 Here was it's, it's a huge financial investment, it's not 879 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,100 my money, but there is a perception where it's like, wow, 880 00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:17,600 you are All in, and I wonder if that just adds more pressure to 881 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,900 beard. It's like now you have a fan 882 00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:22,500 base who's freaking out and it's like, this is a huge. 883 00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:25,900 It's like you're all in. All the chips are in, you've 884 00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:27,700 cashed everything. And if you're Dolson like this, 885 00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:31,800 this now has to work, that's my only concern with it. 886 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,600 Yeah. And to me, part of me wonders 887 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,200 with his personality if he Embraces that challenge, you 888 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,000 know, I think, you know, we've seen how, you know, Indiana is 889 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,200 not the destination for a lot of these big name coach. 890 00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:46,300 Has because whether it's the they like their current 891 00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:48,600 situation like a Tony Bennett or a j, right? 892 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,200 Or the fan base is so freaking nuts and insane that it's not 893 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,800 worth my time. Even with the success that could 894 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,800 happen. Do I want to deal with the fan 895 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,800 base that's going to be, you know, judging me by every game, 896 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,900 judging me by my first season, you know. 897 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,400 It's so I don't know. I, the beard thing to me and I 898 00:44:07,408 --> 00:44:10,200 agree with you on the, on the B-Line, situation retrospect 899 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,800 that if he's not coaching. Why are you waiting? 900 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,900 If your Racism, if you're not hauling a minute, you know, that 901 00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:18,600 and that's that makes me wonder if, you know, now that we see 902 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,600 beard, you know, they're knocked out, you know, if we start to 903 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,100 see that that that kind of situation began to kind of stir 904 00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:28,200 up, or, you know, maybe now they finally have had the 905 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,600 conversation now that the game's over and beards representatives 906 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,200 of have reached out and said, no, we're not going there. 907 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,200 So I think that to me, makes me wonder if we don't have a 908 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,800 decision sometime this week regardless of the direction, if 909 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,000 it's a current coach, or if it's a Calbert cheaney, Cheney or if 910 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,200 it's a you know add Mada, you know, or a beeline II. 911 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,200 Just think that I think where we stand right now, we I would 912 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,400 assume my feeling is that we're going to have decision this week 913 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,700 but who knows? It could be you know, Dolson 914 00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:59,500 maybe really methodical and he wants to make sure that this is 915 00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:02,500 going to be the right decision because that's the one thing 916 00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:05,500 about his position is that you know, he got it right with 917 00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:09,600 football, you know, hiring Allen to, you know, 4.9 million a year 918 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,200 and that all that and get Massacre which you needed to do. 919 00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:15,500 But this decision In is really to me, going to be the one that 920 00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:19,000 defines as his legacy and this could be the one that keeps him 921 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,100 around or if in the end if it crashes and burns may be his 922 00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:26,500 demise. Yeah, the one name that I kind 923 00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:30,300 of come back to. So again I think the beard thing 924 00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:33,300 is interesting but it is just it's a it's a it's a big 925 00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:37,100 investment and I just don't know if you want to pry. 926 00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:38,400 Again this is up to him. It's like this. 927 00:45:38,408 --> 00:45:39,800 He wanted to see want to leave Texas. 928 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,100 See want to come here, you know the Scott drew thing. 929 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,600 NG as everyone has said before there's there's something that 930 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,500 is your your kind of worried you're going to go back to the 931 00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:51,100 dark side. Is a bit of a Kelvin Samson 932 00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:52,900 thing. There is like he there's a bit 933 00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:55,400 of a dirty past. We don't need to get into that. 934 00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:59,000 The name that kind of keeps on surfacing to me. 935 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,200 Again, this is a he seems to be a can't. 936 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,500 I'm assuming he's a candidate but as Eric Musselman and the 937 00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:06,300 only thing that the only negative you here is like, well, 938 00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:08,400 he's a little bit wacky like Creed. 939 00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:13,100 Okay? Like I think I'm not a fan of 940 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,000 But it's also like, you know, if you're winning didn't bother me 941 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,800 as much like the crazy pants stuff in the Diet Cokes like 942 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,200 that was fine. We were ranked number one in the 943 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,000 country. Like I was more bothered by the 944 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,800 fact that we couldn't seem to beat a 2-3 Zone like I didn't 945 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,900 care that he was nuts. I care that we couldn't be the 946 00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:31,200 2-3 Zone against Syracuse in the sweet 16. 947 00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:33,900 We got house by them. We were the one seed in the 948 00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:36,000 tournament. The thing with muscle when you 949 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,800 look at his team's the adjusted offense, adjusted defense, like 950 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,400 it's similar to beards. I mean, but their offense is 951 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,100 Stellar, I mean, Man in Nevada, he's the 36 pets offense on 952 00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:50,700 adjusted offense in can Palm in 2017. 2018, the seventh, 2019, 953 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:56,300 the 26 and then Arkansas 55:37. You also have sticky Brothers. 954 00:46:56,300 --> 00:47:00,400 Today to me, he took a kid from Indiana Justin Smith to we're 955 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,700 all like man there's something there to unlock he unlocked it. 956 00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:06,000 I mean you know I'm kind of laughing but he could come here 957 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,600 and bring Justin back it's like all right I mean Justin has no 958 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,400 here eligibility you can be like all right man we we know and 959 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,800 love them like weird. Justin Smith back with me. 960 00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:18,100 That's it's very unlikely but not out of the realm of complete 961 00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:21,400 possibility, given the transfer polar this year, their muscle, 962 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,800 many wouldn't cost as much as beard doesn't come with as much 963 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,300 baggage. The only thing is like, he's a 964 00:47:26,308 --> 00:47:30,000 little bit crazy and nuts, but as we've talked about, maybe we 965 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,300 need somebody to just say, look if you can win. 966 00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:34,400 Well, I'm okay with some eccentricities. 967 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,500 I'm okay with somebody who wants to kind of re band Rebrand the 968 00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:38,800 program. The only thing that I would say 969 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,900 is it goes to how do you view Arkansas Cuz this is something 970 00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:48,200 Galen I have text about the number of coaches who've gone 971 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,900 from like a top power 5 school to another tap power. 5 school 972 00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:54,600 is very minimal. Like you have Roy Williams went 973 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,800 from Kansas North Carolina but there's some massive extenuating 974 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,500 circumstances there, you know, I guess Bill cell phone from 975 00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:04,200 Illinois to Kansas, that's all kind of that same Loop. 976 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,700 You know, to me, it's like, where do you fit Arkansas? 977 00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:08,300 At Arkansas is kind of in a weird spot. 978 00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:09,200 I think they're always wondering. 979 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,900 Are we a powerful school or not? You know, if you, if you 980 00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:16,400 consider Or them kind of a pseudo blue blood or a major top 981 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,300 power five conference. It would be out of the norm for 982 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,700 him to go to another power 5 school. 983 00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:26,500 If you consider them to kind of be a lower tier than maybe, it 984 00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:29,100 makes sense but I'm those are my thoughts on muscleman. 985 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,700 Yeah. The the coaching pedigree with 986 00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:34,200 his dad is an interesting connection and his dad is 987 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,300 obviously related as a offensive Guru. 988 00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:40,500 Which, you know, I, you know, you watch their offense sets. 989 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,300 It's pretty impressive and like you said what they did with In 990 00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:47,000 Smith and kind of, you know, unleash that true potential with 991 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,100 him is pretty interesting. You know, the categorization of 992 00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:53,600 Arkansas is interesting because this is not the Nolan Richardson 993 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,600 teams of the early 90s and that unique title run with, you know, 994 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,200 they had their, you know, little pig sooie. 995 00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:04,900 Yeah. There you go Muscle Man's an 996 00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:08,300 intriguing thing. You know, his personality maybe 997 00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:11,400 there that could be quirky. It can't be any quirkier than 998 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,700 creams. I mean, my goodness. 999 00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:16,800 But as long as they were wearing the big heads back, I'm good. 1000 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,800 No, I'm just kidding with you. A hundred percent on that. 1001 00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:25,700 I just I want again you know, to me I think that's going to be a 1002 00:49:25,707 --> 00:49:27,600 step up. I don't call this a parallel 1003 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:28,600 jump. I don't call this. 1004 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,600 Like you said the Kansas to North Carolina situation, to me, 1005 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,500 this would be a big step up because I don't consider the 1006 00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:38,500 Arkansas program to be an elite program. 1007 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,500 I don't think of them as a blue blood. 1008 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,000 They're obviously playing tremendous this year. 1009 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,100 Obviously, but I don't know to me, you know, there's a lot of 1010 00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:51,100 interesting, you know, quirks about him and you know at the 1011 00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:55,000 end of the day, I honestly don't care if he can coach if he can 1012 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,500 win if he can recruit, if you can do it the right way. 1013 00:49:57,500 --> 00:50:00,000 If he can unite the fanbase higher. 1014 00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:03,300 If it's one, if it's the guy that Dolson wants and it works 1015 00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:05,400 well with Dolson and Olson's happy with it. 1016 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,100 You know, go for I think the buyouts would five million 1017 00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:09,800 dollars. I mean it's reasonable and the 1018 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,700 only the only thing that worries me Is he's probably going to get 1019 00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:16,700 a pretty big bump after this season. 1020 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,200 He's probably going to get a pretty significant raise. 1021 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,400 And so now you have to compete with what is what is 1022 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,000 realistically going to be the Rays that you're going to have 1023 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,600 to offer him to come to Indiana? And again you know I think it 1024 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,300 was you making two and a half million dollars right now. 1025 00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:33,700 That's I mean that's nothing. So I think that that's the one 1026 00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:38,300 thing that worries me. But again it comes down to Is 1027 00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:41,800 this the guy that you see making the change changing the culture, 1028 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,200 changing uniting the fan base? And does he want to come here 1029 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,300 with the added pressure of a nut fan base and nutty fan base? 1030 00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:49,800 That's to me, is the big question mark. 1031 00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:54,000 I would also say to, and I do this is maybe a better Galen 1032 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,700 question, although he has a better memory, the stuff, maybe, 1033 00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:01,200 you know, like I also think if Musselman is your candidate and 1034 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,600 that's the guy you want for the IU job, it feels like we have to 1035 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,600 start rooting against him in this tournament because I think 1036 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,300 there's not a lot of press. And of guys going to a final 1037 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:13,300 four and or winning a national title, not saying Arkansas, they 1038 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,800 who knows with this tournament. But I think Roy Williams was in 1039 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,100 the title game and then went to North Carolina, I forget that. 1040 00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:23,900 But like guys who coach a team and then go to the final four 1041 00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:27,100 and then immediately, leave that team, I can't think of very many 1042 00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,900 times that has happened. And if they go to the, the title 1043 00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:35,100 game, I can't again II, Roy Williams, the only one and I 1044 00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:37,500 don't know what where he was the year before. 1045 00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:41,300 In North Carolina. But it's that there's not a lot 1046 00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:43,500 of precedent of having kind of success. 1047 00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:45,200 Like that it means you're like when Bill Simmons get them 1048 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,100 talking about you know it's the Warriors when the title Kevin 1049 00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,400 Durant is isn't going to leave because there's no precedent of 1050 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,900 a guy being the MVP of a team that wins the title. 1051 00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:54,700 And I think you have something similar here is like if we want 1052 00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:58,900 Musselman we probably need him to lose in the sweet 16 because 1053 00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:00,900 if they make a run to the final four, it's probably going to be 1054 00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:03,200 even harder for him to say oh yeah I'm now going to also 1055 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,300 leave. Yeah I don't I agree with you 1056 00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:08,500 and it was interesting last night when We were looking. 1057 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,000 I can't remember. They play last night or two 1058 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,700 nights ago, when there was Texas, Tech, I think was two 1059 00:52:11,700 --> 00:52:14,100 nights ago, right tonight, Kansas. 1060 00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:17,500 So it's sorry. I'm Roy Williams with Kansas 1061 00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:20,200 left after. They went to the final game, 1062 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:26,400 they lost a Syracuse in 2003 and then he went to North Carolina, 1063 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,300 the next year. But again, the that's a 1064 00:52:28,308 --> 00:52:31,400 different situation that that's a very unique situation that 1065 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,100 we're just not in. Yeah, I think I agree with you a 1066 00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:37,500 hundred percent and I think, you know when when Texas Tech in 1067 00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:39,300 And, and Arkansas play the other night. 1068 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,700 It was interesting to see, you know, who who were people 1069 00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:44,800 rooting for to lose. And if that was going to get the 1070 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,300 ball rolling with the coaching situation and I think people 1071 00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:50,000 were hoping and may have been happy that beard had lost 1072 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,100 because like, okay, we can finally get the ball rolling 1073 00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:54,900 because we're impatient. But I think you make a great 1074 00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:57,200 Point. How does he turn his back on a 1075 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,200 program that he takes to the final four? 1076 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,700 If that happens? And is it really to him worth it 1077 00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:07,000 to leave Arkansas for the Indiana job and that's where we 1078 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,300 come back. You the perception of the the 1079 00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:14,000 aura around the Indiana job. Is it going to be that job? 1080 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,300 That is still considered to be a top ten job? 1081 00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:19,700 Of course from the perspective of an IU fan. 1082 00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:22,400 And I, you Alum and former players, of course it is. 1083 00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:26,600 But you know, outside of that, it may not be. 1084 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,400 So for Musselman, he's really gonna have to think about it. 1085 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,000 Okay, I'm probably going to get a pay raise here at Arkansas. 1086 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,200 If I go to the final four, am I really going to leave to a 1087 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,500 school that I have? No. 1088 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,900 Shinto. Am I going to abandon this 1089 00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:44,100 school that I could turn into a Powerhouse in some regards? 1090 00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:47,800 Realistically, that's a great question and I just don't see it 1091 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,600 happening. And so that makes me wonder, you 1092 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,100 know, if they continue on this role I think the chances of must 1093 00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:56,900 won't come in Musselman coming. Here are just going to fall flat 1094 00:53:56,900 --> 00:53:59,600 and maybe it. Maybe we may already have a 1095 00:53:59,607 --> 00:54:02,600 coach in mind in Dolson already has this guy and maybe things 1096 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,300 are behind the scenes already happening and Musselman may not 1097 00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:07,500 even be in consideration, but that's something we have to 1098 00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:12,600 About in hindsight. Yeah all right. 1099 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,600 Well I think that's I mean those are the main. 1100 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,200 I mean is there any other candidates you want to hit on 1101 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,200 before we before we wrap up like any other thoughts? 1102 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,400 And anybody else out there like it's got Drew's been mentioned, 1103 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,900 we mentioned Cheney, you know. Yeah, life was talked about at 1104 00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:28,200 some point. It seems like the five thing is 1105 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:33,100 just, I just, you know, I know, I think, you know, everybody 1106 00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:34,800 says that he would crawl here on his elbows. 1107 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,300 I think that was the conversation that somebody used. 1108 00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:43,000 The fight thing is just again, I could see him being a great 1109 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,600 coach here, but you leave your situation in Michigan and again, 1110 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,300 he's not you alone, but he's a Michigan guy. 1111 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,100 You know, he played in Michigan in high school. 1112 00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:54,700 You know, he's been there for 11 years now or 10 years or with is 1113 00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:57,400 oh is he really going to be The Heir Apparent, you know, the is 1114 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,800 he going to be the guy to take over for is oh I don't know. 1115 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,000 I think there's just too many question marks not on his 1116 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,500 ability but just whether or not Fife would realistically. 1117 00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:10,100 Leave to come here. But who knows? 1118 00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:13,300 I mean that could be a call and I don't know. 1119 00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:16,600 I'm not really ready to go down the Fife train because I just 1120 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:21,100 haven't heard enough concrete that he's even realistically in 1121 00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:23,000 the conversation. Yeah. 1122 00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:27,600 I this is where I will say. You know, again it's all press 1123 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,400 conference, it's all kind of talk for talk but you know, 1124 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,000 Dolson came out. So strong with you know we're 1125 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,200 going to get a CEO someone to lead the program. 1126 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,800 We're going to get a significant upgrade. 1127 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,100 And those are his words. Words, and I do think he did 1128 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,500 kind of, I don't say, box himself in, but put him in a 1129 00:55:42,508 --> 00:55:43,800 spot where you're going to have to. 1130 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:49,400 Now, if Fife is your choice and again, I'm I'm fine as a fan. 1131 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,000 I can figure out any of these and if they win, I don't really 1132 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,700 care. But you're going to have to do 1133 00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:58,100 some kind of, you know, verbal acrobatics, if you're Dolson to 1134 00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:02,300 now, kind of say, how Fife was, that was your choice all along 1135 00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:05,300 and not to be like yeah, well we had a lot of other guys in mind. 1136 00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:08,600 This is our 12 choice because if you you come Out you get a ten 1137 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,900 million dollar buyout over the weekend, you fire Archie 1138 00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,600 immediately, which I'm fine with all of that. 1139 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,600 But then you come out and say we're going to get a significant 1140 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,000 upgrade, it can't be five. Like I mean five can be the 1141 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,100 answer if I could be the best coach type of your best 1142 00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:24,300 candidate. You could just wow. 1143 00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:27,900 You and all the interviews but you have to somehow justify. 1144 00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:30,600 Like how is that a significant upgrade to get a guy who's a 1145 00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:35,000 career assistant whose career record at IUPUI or IPFW? 1146 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,400 The head coach is sub 500 like death. 1147 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,400 It's not all on paper. It's not an upgrade over Archie 1148 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,100 but if it works it works, but I I do think that's weird. 1149 00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:47,000 Olsen is in a unique spot where he kind of set. 1150 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,300 The bar is like, all right, we're all going off of your 1151 00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:50,800 words. If you're the one who said that, 1152 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,800 I don't think he threw all his chips and was Stevens. 1153 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,600 Because I think he knew that was a long shot. 1154 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,600 If it have ya been great but like you said, you don't you 1155 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,200 don't ask a donor to pay a ten million dollar buyout unless 1156 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,700 you're damn sure that you're going to get a guy, who's going 1157 00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:07,500 to come in and content. And there may be a good portion 1158 00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:09,500 of And base. I would be fine with that with 1159 00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:11,800 Fife. If he can come in and get the 1160 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,400 culture back where it needs to be, changed things to make it 1161 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,700 more modern but I don't think you're going to. 1162 00:57:16,707 --> 00:57:18,300 Wow. Anybody with a higher. 1163 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,800 I think that's the one thing is that it could be a very 1164 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,500 underwhelming situation. And the last thing you want to 1165 00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:27,500 do going into a new year, with presumably fans in Assembly 1166 00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:29,500 Hall. To some capacity is you don't 1167 00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:30,900 want people going okay, here we go. 1168 00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:32,600 Again another round of it round to go. 1169 00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:35,000 The only difference. Here is the only difference here 1170 00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:38,300 is that you do have an IU guy, you do have In a guy who 1171 00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:41,600 understands Indiana basketball and that will appease a good 1172 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,800 portion the fan base but I think I think five six huge wild card. 1173 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,900 I'm with you if it gets so Dane 5 then your top six guys have 1174 00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:50,800 all said no? Yeah. 1175 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,300 All right, so you you're on the record kind of says, couple 1176 00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:55,800 times. You think it'll be sometime this 1177 00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,000 week? I just have a feeling that, you 1178 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,700 know, based on, I can't remember if it was Osterman or Dustin, a 1179 00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:05,700 periodic, who posted something about that? 1180 00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:09,600 The last three hires have all been And this I think it was 1181 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,800 March 23rd and March, 29th range. 1182 00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:13,400 I think we're going to hear something. 1183 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,300 And, you know, I think again, I'm fine. 1184 00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:19,600 I'm fine. I'm going to try my best to stay 1185 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,500 off pigs and not get sucked into the well, I heard this text, 1186 00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:26,400 this says this, I'm going to try not to do that, but I like 1187 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,600 everybody else. I'm eager to see what the next 1188 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,200 chapter of Indiana basketball brings because, you know, we're 1189 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,300 talking about water, sixth coach and 20 years, are we? 1190 00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:37,300 Now they're if we include dockage, six coach or fifth 1191 00:58:37,300 --> 00:58:38,400 gear, Seventh. I don't know. 1192 00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:40,800 That's too many and we got to get. 1193 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,100 Yeah, because we have to get it right. 1194 00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:47,000 We have to do something, to get ourselves back in the position 1195 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,700 where we're not wondering, you know. 1196 00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:53,000 And we're not trying to figure out all the scenarios of what we 1197 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,100 have to do to get into the tournament. 1198 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,800 Is that just that that's that takes too many years off your 1199 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,700 life and it stresses the hell out of people, myself included 1200 00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:02,600 where we have to be in that conversation of. 1201 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,800 Well, I wonder how many games and do we have a shot against 1202 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,100 Rutgers tonight? Or are we going to find Snap the 1203 00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:10,400 eighth game losing streak to Purdue those kind of 1204 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,200 conversations have to go the hell away. 1205 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,900 I mean, I'm sick of that. I'm done with it. 1206 00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:18,300 Well we just we need more shots at the at the tournament and I 1207 00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:21,000 just it's pretty obvious because you just need more shots at it 1208 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,200 and you're seeing it even you know this year sometimes a 1209 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,500 tournament is breaks for. I mean that's you know that's 1210 00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:29,200 the thing with Mike Davis his run it was a great run you had 1211 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,200 to be the number one seed Duke but you know, I think it was 1212 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,100 like you you got us like you see Wilkesboro or like the second 1213 00:59:36,100 --> 00:59:37,700 round game. Like I think it's supposed to Be 1214 00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:39,700 supposed to. Yes, we USC. 1215 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,000 It wasn't that they, I mean, they had to be Duke, the 1216 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,200 defending champ, but then the next, you know, next rounds Kent 1217 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,300 State like that's a lot. Like was like a 12 state or an 1218 00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:50,100 11 seed in the Elite 8. You know, and it's like these 1219 00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:52,500 paths can break for you. Were Suddenly It's like, oh 1220 00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:54,500 yeah. Like you you were in Illinois is 1221 00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:56,200 division this year. It's like our with the once he's 1222 00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,600 gone. And, you know, or you're going 1223 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,700 to play Ohio, say the to see, they're gone and so that you can 1224 01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:03,100 make these runs and like we're just not even getting a shot of 1225 01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:06,100 the plate and even just coming in as a six or a seven or an 1226 01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:10,400 eight seed, you know, You have those opportunities where things 1227 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,500 can happen for you and I agree. If you, we just we need more 1228 01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:15,800 shots at that table. The last question, I'll ask you, 1229 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,600 is this? We talked Traditions, you are 1230 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,400 the preeminent in my view, the historian of all these 1231 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,200 Traditions, what would be the one that you would say? 1232 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,600 We have two key again, winning is our only sacred cow. 1233 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,000 We both agree. But what's the one? 1234 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,300 It's like, God, I wish we could keep this. 1235 01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:34,600 And then what's the one that you would just get rid of right 1236 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:35,900 away? Or you think that that a new 1237 01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:39,700 coach should look to get rid of? Of all my smoke alarms are going 1238 01:00:39,700 --> 01:00:40,700 off my house. The baby. 1239 01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:43,500 This is gonna be a hot take, but you're gonna be. 1240 01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:46,500 All right, Ru Ru is it testing or is it is it a fire? 1241 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:54,700 I think it might be because this is not good. 1242 01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:01,400 This is okay, we're good. This is my hot take so I love 1243 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,000 it. My son interrupted, you get 1244 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,200 that. You got the alarm, this is 1245 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,800 great. We got to keep the Candy 1246 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:09,900 Stripes. I know. 1247 01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:12,700 Okay, what people think? But to me, you can't touch the 1248 01:01:12,707 --> 01:01:15,600 Candy Stripes that to me. I don't care if people make fun 1249 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,400 of them, and I know these National Riders, think it's 1250 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:18,700 stupid, and they can all go to hell. 1251 01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:22,700 But I think it's Timeless. I don't care if you, if you want 1252 01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:26,000 to change the tops, I don't care if you want to, you know, do 1253 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,800 something with, you know, anything else. 1254 01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:33,100 Gee, I would love to see a script Indiana uniform. 1255 01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:36,300 I think it would look amazing. I literally drool over and I 1256 01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:38,300 hate Ohio State. I drool over Is Buckeyes 1257 01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:42,000 uniforms, they are so good looking, but keep the Candy 1258 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,100 Stripes. Don't touch me, what about you? 1259 01:01:44,107 --> 01:01:49,300 Okay, yeah, I gotta hate to completely just bad radios to 1260 01:01:49,308 --> 01:01:52,400 completely agree, but I agree. I think the candy stripes are 1261 01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:57,100 and, and the athletic department has so branded the candy stripes 1262 01:01:57,100 --> 01:02:00,300 across so many different areas, you know, like I have a hockey 1263 01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:03,100 jersey for my you that has candy stripes on the side piping. 1264 01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:05,200 It's fantastic. And like, so I even remember. 1265 01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,900 Yeah, it's on the football that even when they have, like, That 1266 01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:10,600 the old scoreboard like the two pipes were that candy stripe. 1267 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,500 It's just, it works in so many different areas. 1268 01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:17,000 I would be okay. Though, with updating the Candy 1269 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,500 Stripes. Like, maybe you do like the 1270 01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:21,000 silver like like the football helmets, maybe you change the 1271 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,700 colors, maybe you change the angle of it. 1272 01:02:22,700 --> 01:02:24,500 Like you could have some different looks of the Candy 1273 01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:26,400 Stripes. So I think would be interesting 1274 01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:29,900 to me the thing that you to me that the first thing that we on 1275 01:02:29,900 --> 01:02:32,500 the chopping block, as I say names on jerseys. 1276 01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:34,500 Like let's just do it. Let's get there. 1277 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,600 I know it's an atypical but it is, it's something. 1278 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,500 That matters today, I would also say to your point. 1279 01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:42,500 We got to get some different variety of jerseys. 1280 01:02:42,500 --> 01:02:44,900 Let's get some Throwbacks. Like, let's get some new ones. 1281 01:02:44,900 --> 01:02:47,800 Let's let's let's play around with the jerseys play around, 1282 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,100 with have fun with it really. Spring the piping back. 1283 01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,100 My God, it looks terrible without the pipe. 1284 01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:57,300 Yeah, yeah, I mean bring that back but I think it you got to 1285 01:02:57,300 --> 01:03:00,700 keep something with the Candy Stripes there but even, you 1286 01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:04,500 know, I do love the idea of a script Indiana, you know, 1287 01:03:04,700 --> 01:03:07,400 Indiana Jersey. So yeah, I think we're all in 1288 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,700 agreement. Comment on that, I think, you 1289 01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:10,500 know. We'll see, man. 1290 01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,000 So hopefully you're right, hopefully, it's sooner rather 1291 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,500 than later because we're going to, we're like a snake eating 1292 01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:20,500 its tail but I will Echo what we said earlier. 1293 01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:23,200 You know, go take the dog for a walk, go eat your pork chops, 1294 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,100 you'll go have a nice, everyone should just take a deep breath. 1295 01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:30,600 Don't get too into, you know, what you hear from other people 1296 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:35,400 because we'll all get there. And I will say, for all the 1297 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,400 national people out there and kind of with you, like piss off, 1298 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,800 but I also, like it does feel like a lot of fans are in the 1299 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,000 same boat. We are, where we're passionate, 1300 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,300 I want to know, I'm excited, but I feel like a lot of fans were, 1301 01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:49,200 like, I'm ready to get behind whoever the coaches, and I'm 1302 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,800 ready to kind of read. The press release and be sold, 1303 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,900 like, I'm I'm on the car lot. I'm ready to buy and I'm ready 1304 01:03:56,900 --> 01:03:59,400 for the salesman to talk me into the undercoating. 1305 01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,200 I'm kind of with that point. I think a lot of fans are like 1306 01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:01,800 that. It's like, all right. 1307 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,600 Like is it? Is it beard? 1308 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,200 Is it muscleman? Is it? 1309 01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:06,700 You know? Fife is it changing? 1310 01:04:06,700 --> 01:04:09,400 Like I could You could talk me into any of these like you just 1311 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,200 got to give me the sales pitch, Tolson. 1312 01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:13,700 And I think I'm ready to be sold when I feel like a lot of IU 1313 01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:16,900 fans or they're like, we're fired up and but I think a lot 1314 01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:20,000 of IU fans in that spot like I'm ready, I'm ready for a new 1315 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,100 coach. I'm ready to be sold on 1316 01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:24,400 something. Yeah, and again, it shows that 1317 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,900 the fact that nobody can say that our fan base is not 1318 01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:29,300 passionate. We may be crazy, but the fact 1319 01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:31,700 that we are literally hanging on the edge of our seats. 1320 01:04:31,700 --> 01:04:35,200 Every second of every day. Since the firing tells you that, 1321 01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,700 this fan base is ready to go. And Trust, Dolson hundred 1322 01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:40,100 percent. I feel he's going to make the 1323 01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:42,900 right choice and I'm ready to go with and back. 1324 01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:44,600 Whoever we hire and just get started. 1325 01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,200 Well awesome. Oh, hey Chris, thank you so much 1326 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,900 for joining again. Follow him on Twitter. 1327 01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:52,400 At IU artifacts. It is just a tremendous follow 1328 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,300 on Twitter and we'll have to have you back when we get a new 1329 01:04:55,300 --> 01:04:57,300 coach and hopefully they start changing things up. 1330 01:04:57,300 --> 01:05:00,100 And we can talk and then we can talk on the in the realistic and 1331 01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:01,700 like, God damn it. I can't believe they're changing 1332 01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:02,600 that. I can't believe they're doing 1333 01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,500 this. We can, we can actually become 1334 01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:06,400 is normal. I, you fans being pissed about 1335 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,000 what's being changed. Absolutely. 1336 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,200 Appreciate you having me. All right, Chris, thank you so 1337 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,900 much. We'll keep up the content and 1338 01:05:12,900 --> 01:05:14,200 hopefully we hear something soon. 1339 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,200 But if not people go out, enjoy yourselves. 1340 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,100 Take a breath. It'll all happen. 1341 01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,800 We will get through this together with more podcasts. 1342 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,600 So, until next time for Crimson cast, this is Scott signing off.