1 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:40,120 Music and hello, folks. Galen Clavio here and welcome 2 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,640 back to Crimson Cast. It is Sunday, July 27th. 3 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,600 It's been too long. We've had a bit of a hiatus 4 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,200 thanks to vacations and just a little bit of a slow time period 5 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,360 as everything's going on. But we got plenty to talk about 6 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,880 today. We're going to do a shorter IU 7 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,320 football podcast. We'll have more IU football 8 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,560 content coming up later on this week and beyond. 9 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,880 And I just wanted to answer some of you folks's questions and 10 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,120 talk a little bit about what I saw out in Vegas for Big 10 11 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,960 football Media day and lot to talk about. 12 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,400 And we are getting closer and closer. 34 days until kickoff 13 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,040 for IU football and even less than that for the kickoff of 14 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,640 college football in general. So we're going to dive into it 15 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,120 here in just a second. First of all, just a reminder, 16 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,160 we are brought to you by Home Field Apparel, your place to go 17 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,840 for the finest in college fashions, the softest fabrics, 18 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,920 the coolest designs. 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On a month by month basis, and 100 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,680 if you haven't woken up to how important Bite Sized Bison is to 101 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,600 being an IU football fan and understanding what's going on 102 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,600 not just with the roster, but with what's going on on a 103 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,200 day-to-day and week to week basis with this coaching staff 104 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,400 and with this team, I think it's it's time you woke up on it. 105 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,000 When I read Bite Sized Bison, I get a much deeper understanding 106 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,040 of why certain players are playing, why they're going after 107 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,120 certain recruits, how the recruiting process is going, how 108 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,120 players are grading out, not just on the IU. 109 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,240 Squad, but as they compare to other teams in the Big 10 and 110 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,200 across the country. 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If you missed the announcement 122 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:11,400 on YouTube or on Twitter. We are launching a new show that 123 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,400 focuses specifically on football here on the back home network. 124 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,680 It's called The Big Red Carpet and it's hosted by our friend 125 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,440 and IU football expert Rhett Lewis. 126 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,920 You know Rhett maybe from his time as color commentator for IU 127 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,520 football radio broadcast, or maybe you know him from his work 128 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,680 with Sideline Reporting for the Big 10 Network. 129 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,080 Or maybe you know him from NFL Network, where he's been for 130 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,080 many years. But Rhett knows his football. 131 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,000 He played at IU. He's been covering this IU team 132 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,520 closely and, and has a really deep understanding of what's 133 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,320 going on with the team and with the program. 134 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,680 He's going to be bringing that show to you throughout the 135 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,640 course of the fall, every Monday night at 7:00 Eastern. 136 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,480 And we're really looking forward to having him on the network. 137 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,680 So we'll have more details about how to subscribe to that. 138 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,720 We'll have a a pilot episode that'll come out probably here 139 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,320 in the next couple of weeks. So just keep an eye out for 140 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,240 that. We'll notify you through. 141 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,360 The Crimson cast sub stack as well as on our other social 142 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,000 media channels when that's ready to launch. 143 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,320 But again, the big red carpet coming this fall hosted by Rhett 144 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,280 Lewis. We're excited to have him on the 145 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,720 network and excited to bring you more IU. 146 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,840 Football content, all right? I promised we would be getting 147 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,040 to your questions and I wanted to go ahead and dive right into 148 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,200 them as there's a lot to go through. 149 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,280 Let me start off. I first I'll be able to say 150 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,039 this, I'm not going to be able to get to all of these 151 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:36,960 questions. Because there were a ton of 152 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,240 these questions and I appreciate everybody jumping in. 153 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,400 We are going to have multiple shows throughout the course of 154 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,800 this week. And you know, I think it's 155 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,080 important that we we try to break this down into different 156 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,400 areas. So the first thing I wanted to 157 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,120 tackle was some of the non team specific areas is I want to have 158 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,400 Taylor or Scott or some other folks on with me. 159 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:59,000 I think those things work better as conversation pieces. 160 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,080 But let's start with this question from Christian 161 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,800 Ellerding. Are we thinking Big Noon kickoff 162 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,360 or maybe even college game day for the Illinois game? 163 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,120 So this is an interesting one and I've gotten this question 164 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,480 quite a bit. And this is where I think it's 165 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,800 sometimes interesting when we try to figure out when games are 166 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,600 happening. As many of you know, games 167 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,480 initially will get selected by networks. 168 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,760 And we've walked through how that process goes where there's 169 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,840 essentially a draft that happens, but they don't draft 170 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,960 the whole season. They'll draft kind of week by 171 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,880 week after they get to a certain point, really after you're up 172 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,960 until like week two or three. Now, we're already seeing some 173 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,760 games being selected by networks and that has narrowed down the 174 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,480 options, I think a bit in terms of where this IU Illinois game 175 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,480 is going to be. The IU Illinois game, of course, 176 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,760 a game that everybody's really looking forward to. 177 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,600 We've had like Danny Cannell talk about how this is a game 178 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,600 that could have playoff implications, certainly is going 179 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,200 to have implications as far as the standings in the Big 10. 180 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,760 But when, when's it going to happen during the day? 181 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,280 So this is Week 4. There are some games that have 182 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,360 already been apportioned out or have been selected by networks 183 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,240 during Week 4. And you have to keep in mind, 184 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,120 like there's essentially a top tier list of, you know, the 185 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,560 games that are going to be going on within each conference. 186 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:26,880 And then you break it down from there and it gets a little bit 187 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,360 less and less important. And that's where games get 188 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,360 shoved down to Big 10 Network, or maybe onto a streaming 189 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,520 service like Peacock. So if you look at the. 190 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,880 Games in the Big 10 that have been selected so far that 191 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,520 weekend, Iowa at Rutgers on Friday, that's the Fox game. 192 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,400 So that's out of the equation at this point. 193 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,480 Then you've got essentially 3 games that have been apportioned 194 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,880 to networks already. You've got Michigan at Nebraska, 195 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,600 which is the 330 game on CBS. You got Purdue, Notre Dame, 196 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,920 which is the 330 game on NBC. And then you got the Apple Cup 197 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,720 between Washington and Washington State, which is 7:30 198 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,320 on CBS. The other four games in the Big 199 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,480 10 for that week that haven't been assigned yet, you have 200 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,440 Michigan State at USC, you've got Maryland at Wisconsin, 201 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:17,560 you've got Oregon State at Oregon, and you've got Illinois 202 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:21,320 at Indiana. Now of those four, there's a 203 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,400 couple of different directions that I think you can see this 204 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,440 go. I wouldn't be shocked to see 205 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,080 Illinois, Indiana as the night game because and, and I know 206 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,800 you've got Washington, Washington State, but you got to 207 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,000 keep in mind that's not really a national game. 208 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,440 That is a regional game and it's not even a full Big 10 game, 209 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,760 obviously, because Washington State is still in the PAC 12. 210 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:43,840 Does that mean that they would schedule Illinois? 211 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,720 Indiana to go up against that, very possibly. 212 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,920 But the other complicating factor here and where Big Noon 213 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:55,040 might actually be in play is you've got Michigan State, USC. 214 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,360 That's not going to be Big Noon kickoff. 215 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:00,000 That's at USC. They're not going to do Big Noon 216 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,320 kickoff for a game that would start at 9:00. 217 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,320 They might, they might bump it back a little bit, but the the 218 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,200 actual noon kick itself as opposed to like ESP or Fox being 219 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,680 there. You know, if they were going to 220 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:15,800 have the the program be a bridge program into the kickoff like 221 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,720 they did earlier on this year with I think it was the Nebraska 222 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,680 game, it'd be more likely that Illinois, Indiana would get that 223 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:28,440 slot than Michigan State. USCI also wouldn't be surprised 224 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,560 if NBC decided that they wanted to go Michigan State, USC as a 225 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:36,120 730 game kind of to counter program. 226 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,280 CBS having a West Coast team like Washington, which has a big 227 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,720 following. I don't think Illinois Indiana's 228 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,280 going to be the 330 game again because you've already got 229 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,320 Michigan, Nebraska in that slot. And I think Illinois Indiana's 230 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,440 going to trump whatever people might think is going to be 231 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,720 Maryland, Wisconsin. So I went into this originally 232 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,240 thinking that Indiana might be the 330 game. 233 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,200 Then they moved Michigan, Nebraska to it. 234 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,520 So my guess is at this point it's probably a noon kick for 235 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,600 Illinois, Indiana, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was a 236 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,520 7 or 730 kick. It really just depends on what 237 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,520 NBC decides they want to do in that evening time slot, if 238 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,440 they're even going to have a game there since they've gotten 239 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,760 the the Notre Dame Purdue game earlier on in the day. 240 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:23,040 So again, I feel like we're not going to know for a little 241 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,600 while, but I wouldn't be surprised if we knew before the 242 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,960 season started. That is going to be a wild 243 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,880 weekend one way or another. I think, you know, from the 244 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,000 perspective of people outside of Bloomington, I know people don't 245 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,960 like night kickoffs because of the long, relatively long drive 246 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,800 to get back home, although it's a lot easier with the 247 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,680 Interstate. I don't really want to melt as 248 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,720 as along with other people in the sun at noon. 249 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,320 I'll do it. I'll be happy to do it. 250 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,640 But I that just seems like such a cool game to be in the 251 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,680 evening. It would, I'm not going to say 252 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:58,480 be a shame because I'll look, I'll take a national televised 253 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,520 broadcast with two ranked teams. You know, that's that's totally 254 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,960 fine. I just in the back of my head, I 255 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,160 keep thinking that's going to be an evening game. 256 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,560 I think it's really just going to depend on what kind of juice 257 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,680 the networks think Michigan State, USC might have and where 258 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:17,160 they end up slotting that. So we'll see what happens, but 259 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,160 nothing definitive yet as far as the the time. 260 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,600 And I know even the folks that I've talked to in the television 261 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,680 business have been a little bit uncertain. 262 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,400 And there's even been I was told definitively it was going to be 263 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,560 at one time before and then was recently told, well, no, that's. 264 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:32,880 Actually not accurate. It's my. 265 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,520 It might change to a different time now. 266 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:35,960 So. So there you go. 267 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,160 We had some other questions. Some of these are kind of funny 268 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,240 and and yet there's some grains of truth in them and they to 269 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,440 some degree overlap with what I saw out at Big 10 media day. 270 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,720 So in 49 States asks, is it true that this year's Indiana is 271 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,560 Indiana? Which is kind of funny because 272 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,400 this has been a narrative we've seen in some ESPN posts. 273 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,880 It's been some things we've seen in some other companies posts 274 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,240 where everybody's been asking like who is this year's Indiana? 275 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:09,440 And hilariously, someone that I saw listed said, oh, it's 276 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,640 Illinois. It's not Illinois like Illinois 277 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,400 last year. I think people forget this 278 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,640 Illinois finished ten and three. There were six and three in 279 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,720 conference. They were a good football team 280 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,080 Last year. They finished 16th in the 281 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,920 country to be this year's Indiana. 282 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,920 You could not be coming off A10 win season. 283 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,640 To be this year's Indiana, you have to be coming off like a 284 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,560 three win season, really 3 consecutive 3 or 4 win seasons. 285 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,040 You have to be in a position where. 286 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:43,240 You come out of absolutely nowhere and you are suddenly a 287 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,280 national player and making or getting close to making the 288 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,840 College Football Playoff. There are not a lot of. 289 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,480 Teams that fit that bill and the ones that do, I mean, if you go 290 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,040 back and look at the standings from last year, who are the 291 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,880 teams that maybe fit that profile? 292 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,880 You know, I would argue Maryland does not fit that profile, even 293 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,280 though they were one and eight in the league last year. 294 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,280 Maryland's been OK the in the years prior to that, they've 295 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,840 been in contention for bowls. They've made a couple of bowls. 296 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,400 They would not be this who's Indiana because they would not 297 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,200 be coming out of absolutely nothing over the last three 298 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,360 years to get to where they would want to get to you. 299 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,280 You look at the Big 12, who are the teams that finished in the 300 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,960 bottom reaches of that conference? 301 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,040 Last year's Oklahoma State was O and 9:00. 302 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,640 They've had too much success to ever qualify as this year's 303 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,520 Indiana. You've got Utah, UCF and Arizona 304 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:34,880 again. I'm not sure. 305 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,160 Any of those teams would really qualify. 306 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,360 The most hilarious one to me is Florida State, which again, 307 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,280 would not qualify given that they were on the doorstep of a 308 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,440 playoff appearance 2 years ago. But they were one and seven last 309 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,720 year and 2:00 and 10:00 in the ACC. 310 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,680 Or excuse me, two and ten overall, one and seven in the 311 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,680 ACC. So I look at all of that and I 312 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,720 don't even know if there's a good candidate for this year's 313 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,040 Indiana. It's certainly you. 314 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,280 You look across the board and almost every team that would 315 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,240 potentially qualify either had too good of a season last year 316 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,000 like Vanderbilt or Oklahoma or Arkansas. 317 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,240 All of those teams made bowls or they're teams that have just had 318 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,640 too much success to really ever qualify as this year's Indiana. 319 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,800 So I think I do think it's funny that and I appreciate the media 320 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,200 trying to fold Indiana into the national narrative and yet 321 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,360 another way. But realistically, there is no 322 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:33,600 chance in my mind of a this year's Indiana and the very 323 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,400 unique aspects of what made it such a special season, such a 324 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,680 unique season in Indiana. Football or college football 325 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,160 history? Really not just Indiana. 326 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,000 Let's see, I wanted to jump to another scheduling post and 327 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,560 again, this kind of ties in to what we saw over in Vegas for 328 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:58,920 this Big 10 football media day. I will say that what's hilarious 329 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,320 and I want to find the the comment that someone left on 330 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,880 this because it would really summed up a lot of the hilarity 331 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,480 that I find in all of this. Buff Komodo asked the following 332 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:16,360 question. How glorious is it that IU 333 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:20,240 football now occupies a space in every media members brain rent 334 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,840 free? It is glorious. 335 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,800 It's also hilarious and I think it's really special that for two 336 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,360 years in a row now, IU and Kurt Signetti have come out of Big 10 337 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:35,000 Football Media Day. With the most people. 338 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,360 Kind of craning their necks, looking at them saying like, 339 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:40,960 what if you recall last year, Signetti? 340 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,560 Brashley says, you know, it said, you know, gets up on the 341 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,480 desk and, you know, talks about how they, you know, it's, it's 342 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,280 kind of a preview or whatever the language was of them coming 343 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,600 back for the conference title game later on that year. 344 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,320 And they almost did it. If Minnesota knocks off Penn 345 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,000 State. Like they were poised to do. 346 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,640 That prophecy comes true this year. 347 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,040 Signetti goes in and makes all the buzz about talking about the 348 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:09,600 scheduling, you know, adopting SEC scheduling principles. 349 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:14,120 Just amazing. And I once again am impressed 350 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:19,240 with Curt Cignetti's ability to say things in ways that just cut 351 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,600 right through the media divide and get people fired up one way 352 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,200 or another. If you're an IU fan, you're 353 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,960 ready to run through a brick wall for the guy in most cases. 354 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,560 If you're another Big 10 coach. I mean, there were several Big 355 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,880 10 coaches, including Jed Fish, including Ryan Day, including 356 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,240 Lincoln Riley, who said some version of what Kurt Signetti 357 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,960 said. And yes, all of that to some 358 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,160 degree is being coordinated by Tony Petiti in the Big 10 359 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,080 Conference. But it's fun to watch IU, and 360 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:55,760 Kurt Signetti in particular, become this entity that people 361 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,400 are. Paying attention to at such a 362 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,520 unique level. And even on the podcasts from 363 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,840 the various places out there that we've seen over the course 364 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,200 of the last few days, you know, ever since Signetti went up 365 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,720 there and talked, it's been a talking point that everybody has 366 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,600 had. And so I think it's great that 367 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,880 you've got IU and Kurt Signetti continuing to keep themselves at 368 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,960 the forefront of the conversation. 369 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,400 Now. It requires that you back up the 370 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,520 talk and back up the the appearance in the conversation 371 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,120 with actual results. But they did that last year, and 372 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:33,920 there's no reason to believe that Indiana won't be able to do 373 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,760 that this year. As well, it does put a little 374 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,000 more pressure on your team, but I think that that's what Kurt 375 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,920 Signetti wants. And I think this is an 376 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,400 interesting lesson for a lot of IU fans who are still trying to 377 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,920 figure out exactly how to navigate being an IU football 378 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,520 fan at a time when IU football is more relevant than it's ever 379 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,760 been nationally. As Signeti has alluded to or 380 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,520 outright said in several different media appearances, 381 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,720 people don't like it when you crash a party that they don't 382 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,160 think that you belong to, is essentially what he said. 383 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,520 And that is how college football has worked historically. 384 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,920 The upper echelons of college football is one of the biggest 385 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,640 versions of Mean Girls that you're going to find in that 386 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,640 it's very exclusionary, it's very catty and there's a a real 387 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:27,080 resistance to non blue bloods and non established programs not 388 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,080 just knocking on the door, but actually walking into the room 389 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,160 and staying there. This is very much an old boys 390 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,920 club in in a lot of ways and fans and media treat it that 391 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,240 way. And I think Kurt Signeti 392 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,560 understands that, but he also understands that the longer you 393 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,600 can stay in the at a level of relevance within the 394 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,360 conversation nationally. The more people start to accept 395 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:51,280 that you belong in the conversation. 396 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,200 Now, I don't think Indiana's ever going to actually be fully 397 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,080 embraced unless they do this for 2530 years in a row. 398 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:05,760 But the idea, the way that IU got reacted to last year in 399 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,120 relation to the College Football Playoff was silly. 400 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,800 And you, you just can't play nice when you're getting reacted 401 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,880 to that way. And I think Signeti understands 402 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,440 that you have to argue for your place and you have to 403 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,360 essentially defend and justify the things that you're doing. 404 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,680 And I thought Signetti did a really good job of predicating 405 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,680 what IU did after they got criticized quite a bit over that 406 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,640 cancelling of the Virginia series. 407 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,840 And they were legitimate reasons why they did that even above and 408 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,720 beyond the SEC scheduling principles thing, you know, 409 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,640 largely the extra revenue from a home game and the fact that that 410 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,280 series got scheduled at a time when Signetti was not yet the 411 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,920 coach. It it is funny that, you know, 412 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,600 Signetti's also gotten blamed for the Louisville series 413 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,480 cancellation, which he wasn't even a part of. 414 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,080 And I'm going to get to something on that that that pit 415 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,080 Hoosier wrote in. But much like we saw Lincoln 416 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,280 Riley get criticized this year for even daring to animate that, 417 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,000 it might not make sense that the Notre Dame game stay on USC 418 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,360 schedule. You got a lot of people who are 419 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,280 approaching their commentary on college sports and I'm not I'm 420 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,920 leaving the fans, the online fans out of this entirely. 421 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,720 But even at the media level, you got a lot of people who are 422 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,600 approaching this from what they think is the best interest of 423 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,000 college football without ever really defining what that means 424 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,680 or acknowledging that what they think might be in the best 425 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,960 interest of college football in their quotes might not actually 426 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,480 be in the best interest of a lot of the teams in the programs 427 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,640 that are participating in college football. 428 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,320 And so I think with Signetti, if IU is going to be in people's 429 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,920 mouths anyway, you might as well twist it so that they are 430 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,600 talking about things on your terms as opposed to talking 431 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,840 about it as if you're just this interloper who's doing dumb 432 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,280 things that are hurting the sport. 433 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,760 None of which is true, but. That is clearly how IU has been 434 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:04,120 categorized in multiple circles over the course of, oh really, 435 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:08,560 since November. So I love the fact that IU has 436 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,360 become this weird rally and cry to the point that like Ari 437 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:16,240 Wasserman from On Three wrote a whole piece about this, focusing 438 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,400 specifically on how the fact that it was Indiana that was 439 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:26,200 involved in the scheduling situation last year was itself. 440 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,280 A shock, I guess, for lack of a better term. 441 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,440 So bravo to Kurt Zignetti for knowing how to navigate this. 442 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,120 And it's just awesome that Indiana's getting talked about 443 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:38,280 at this level. And it's awesome that Indiana 444 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,240 went out and backed up what they were doing in terms of winning 445 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,280 11 games last year. And I'm fascinated to see what 446 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,240 they do coming up for this season. 447 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,040 So let's stick on the scheduling thing to start with. 448 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,120 I I alluded to this one earlier, but pit Hoosier asking the 449 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:56,360 following question. And I think this question is 450 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,040 still even more pertinent now given Lincoln Riley's comments 451 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,000 at Big 10 media Day. But the question was given IU's 452 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,040 controversial scheduling philosophy, I don't know how 453 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,160 controversial it it actually should be. 454 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,800 But given IU's philosophy that resulted in the Louisville and 455 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,160 Virginia gays being bought out, should and will IU keep? 456 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,440 The Notre Dame series in 30 and 31. 457 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:24,920 So again, we we saw comments about this from Lincoln Riley 458 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,840 because he was asked specifically about that series 459 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,200 and he brought it back again to this idea of scheduling needs to 460 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,880 be consistent across the board. And you know, we don't want this 461 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:44,200 situation to be there where USC, Notre Dame might hurt USC in 462 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,960 their quest to get into the College Football Playoff. 463 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,320 A lot of people jumped on that and criticized Lincoln Riley in 464 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,960 particular and criticized the Big 10 for I think somebody, 465 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,760 Stewart Mandel referred to it as gaslighting, which is ludicrous. 466 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,720 Here's the thing to keep in mind about scheduling right now. 467 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:10,000 If the. Reality of college football is 468 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,360 that we're going to focus on a playoff and I think we should, 469 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,680 and this is something we're going to get into a lot more in 470 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,400 depth on football Weather, which is the college football podcast 471 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,600 that I do with Matt Blaska that's also on the back home 472 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,720 network. We're going to talk about this 473 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,440 more in depth on our episode from this weekend. 474 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,280 If the goal is to get into the playoff, I think you have to 475 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,960 have some kind of acknowledgement that the entire 476 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,960 system of scheduling, which has been essentially predicated 477 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,080 around getting to bowl games but not necessarily getting to the 478 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,920 playoff, is not really a great system for a lot of the teams 479 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,280 that have been at the heart of it over the course of time. 480 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,040 And so when you look at an Indiana, as much as they've 481 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,600 gotten criticized for canceling the Louisville series or or 482 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,280 buying their way out of the Virginia series, the reality of 483 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:02,080 the situation is Indiana, along with many other teams in college 484 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,040 football, and I would put USC in that mix now don't have the 485 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,000 luxury of throwing a game away as a loss potentially if they 486 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,800 want to be in contention for the playoff. 487 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,200 And the idea that those teams should just continue to schedule 488 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,800 that way, regardless of whether or not it's good for them 489 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,600 because it's somehow good for the greater good. 490 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,760 I, I just, I'm not seeing that argument being extended to a lot 491 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,440 of other teams in college football. 492 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,560 You know, why is it that Indiana who if you look at the history 493 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,240 of Indiana, has always over scheduled itself to the point 494 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,760 where it over scheduled itself out of bowl games, out of out of 495 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,800 contention for bowl games. Because instead of just doing 496 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,440 what other teams in the conference or teams in the SEC 497 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,360 were doing and scheduling a very weak non conference. 498 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,520 Indiana historically has always felt like it's had to fill up 499 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,160 its schedule with a lot of good non conference games. 500 00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:59,080 Often times because of what I would argue was a short sighted 501 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,240 focus on ticket sales and not nearly as much of A focus on 502 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,440 building up a program. And this is not a new problem. 503 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,880 This went all the way back to the League Corso era. 504 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,320 Go back and look at some of those non. 505 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,520 Conference League Corso schedules they're playing. 506 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,280 USC in a home and home, they're playing Washington, they're 507 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,760 playing teams that they had no business playing at that point 508 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,600 'cause they weren't that good and they didn't get good, they 509 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,400 didn't get to the Bulls that would have helped them to 510 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,720 establish themselves so to. Round this out and go back to 511 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,600 this Notre Dame series. I think that's part of the the 512 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,240 scenario that has to be evaluated. 513 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,200 If you're Indiana, do you get? Enough out of the Notre Dame 514 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,160 game. In terms of prestige, do you 515 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,760 have a chance at winning those games? 516 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,360 I think by 30 or 31 they will, but is it? 517 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,360 Worth losing that game and then having to play the full 9 game 518 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,040 schedule in the Big 10. You've left yourself no margin 519 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,560 for error. And that this is where I really 520 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,880 push back on what a lot of the national pundits are saying, 521 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,480 where they're like, well, you know, what's the purpose in 522 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,840 playing the game? If it's, if it won't hurt you 523 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,680 one way or the other. And the flip side is what's the 524 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,200 purpose in playing the game? If you significantly increase 525 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,920 the percentage that you're going to get edged out of the playoff 526 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,120 if other teams aren't having to play that type of a game in a 527 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,800 given year, and whether or not we like that or don't like that 528 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,840 philosophically, you have to think about it strategically. 529 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,240 Now for Indiana, the other thing I think is worth noting here is 530 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:32,440 that ultimately there's a an element to Notre Dame to some 531 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:38,200 degree being able to coast on being an independent from a 532 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,720 scheduling perspective that I think the conference in general 533 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,520 is looked at and said maybe this isn't something that we want to 534 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,000 be helping them out with as we move forward. 535 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,000 I mean, think about last year. They're caught. 536 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,360 Their schedule overall was not that strong. 537 00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,320 At the end of the day, they played a bunch of ACC teams. 538 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,720 None of them really ended up being particularly good. 539 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,400 They won at USC, who didn't end up being particularly good. 540 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,040 They played Purdue, who was real bad. 541 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,040 They played Northern Illinois, who they lost to, and they won 542 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,520 at Texas A&M, who also didn't end up being particularly good. 543 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,360 If you look at the teams that they've been playing lately 544 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,520 versus who they used to play, they're no longer playing 545 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,160 Michigan in a home and home every year. 546 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,080 They used to do that. They're no longer playing 547 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,840 Michigan State. You know, the Purdue series has 548 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:33,200 been intermittent, and I think there may be some communication 549 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,240 or some conversation happening where it's almost like, you 550 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,560 know, Notre Dame to some degree, getting to pick and choose teams 551 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,920 to play in the Big 10. That's propping them up from a 552 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,800 schedule perspective in a way that perhaps the Big 10 should 553 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,600 not be engaging in because it gives Notre Dame all the 554 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,040 benefits of being able to pick and choose their games without 555 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:58,040 really having to play a conference schedule that the Big 556 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,520 10 teams or the SEC teams are having to play. 557 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,600 And there's been enough talk about the ACC, and I think 558 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,480 everybody's aware of this. The ACC has just not been 559 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,800 particularly good over the course of the last five or six 560 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,280 years. They've had some really good 561 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,240 teams, you know, Clemson being a great example of that. 562 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,560 But they certainly haven't had the depth in that conference 563 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,040 that the Big 10 of the SEC has had. 564 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,080 And yet those teams are good enough that Notre Dame is 565 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,040 playing that it gives them a big advantage overall because they 566 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,440 played a power conference, it's schedule without actually 567 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,200 playing a power conference schedule. 568 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,720 And they're playing a bunch of teams from what is not really a 569 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,040 true power conference at this point. 570 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,760 If you look at the, the, the widespread within the ACC. 571 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,240 So I I do wonder at some point if Indiana from a conference 572 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,360 perspective looks at that. And says maybe this isn't what 573 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,960 we're going to do, but I could also see that series actually 574 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,560 happening. I think I would love to see it 575 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,200 happen. I'm not. 576 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,320 Advocating for it not happening, but I am trying to take to some 577 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,680 degree kind of the real politic approach of figuring out what is 578 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,360 going to make the most sense. And does the Big 10 as a 579 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,840 conference say we really. Need to have Notre Dame stop. 580 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,440 They need to stop having the best of both worlds. 581 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,920 And every Big 10 team that schedules them into a home and 582 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,720 home essentially helps to prolong their ability to stay 583 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,520 independent, reap all of the financial benefits from that and 584 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,600 not face any of the actual consequences of not being in the 585 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,480 Big 10 or the SEC. So I know some people may not 586 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,640 like that, but that's how I would be looking at it right now 587 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,200 if I was the Big 10. And I think Indiana, as we've 588 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,880 seen, understands that. Wins are still the most 589 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,480 important thing and the idea that you would voluntarily 590 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,880 schedule games that reduce your ability to get the maximum 591 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,440 number of wins when you already have to play a nine game 592 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,920 schedule against a very tough conference slate. 593 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,200 Those are the kinds of things I do think you have to think 594 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,960 about. And as much as that series makes 595 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,640 a lot of sense from a geographical perspective, it 596 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,080 again probably makes less sense for Indiana than it makes for 597 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,440 Notre Dame at this point, given the fact that Indiana is in the 598 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:20,240 Big 10 and Notre Dame is not. Let's see some other comments 599 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,080 coming up or some questions. So we had a bunch of questions 600 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,360 about overall record and I'm not going to give our overall record 601 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:33,920 projection at this stage, but Sir Elvis Greenspan asking what 602 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,000 record does IU need to maintain its recruiting momentum? 603 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,880 That that's a good question. We had another similar question 604 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:48,480 regarding the overall approach to things that we would expect. 605 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,920 Indiana the need to have in terms of this season. 606 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,000 Let's So who's your beer guy asks the following question. 607 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,440 Do you think IU starts out the year ranked and say IU? 608 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,480 Goes 10 and 2 with losses at Penn State and Oregon, do you 609 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,240 think we would find it hard to make the playoff due to residual 610 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,600 push back from last year slash the schedule narrative? 611 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,080 I look at those two questions as kind of similar to each other. 612 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,120 So first of all, what record does Indiana need to maintain 613 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,400 recruiting momentum? I think eight or nine wins at a 614 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,040 minimum. Now you can definitively say 615 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,199 last year was not a. Flash in the pan. 616 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,760 Last year was not a mistake. Last year was not a blip on the 617 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,800 radar. Last year was the new Indiana 618 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,400 and that Indiana is here to stay. 619 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:40,120 If you look at the comments that recruits have made about Indiana 620 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,040 this cycle, not just the ones that have committed to Indiana, 621 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,360 but the ones that are on the fence, Indiana's in their top 8 622 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:53,760 or whatever, What you see is a real interesting and gratifying 623 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,480 set of positive comments about Kurt Zignetti and the staff and 624 00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:59,880 about what's going on in Bloomington right now. 625 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,880 If you hear Kurt Zignetti talking about how the recruiting 626 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,040 process went last year, he's talked about how, well, look 627 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,920 what we've done. What we had to do was go in and 628 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,800 promise a bunch of things based upon what we had done at James 629 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,080 Madison. It's a lot different this year 630 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,640 because what you can now do is point to the fact you made the 631 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,040 College Football Playoff. You lost one game in the regular 632 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,280 season in the Big 10. You had eleven wins overall. 633 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,440 Like those things really carry. That gets you in the door and 634 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,160 now you can explain your developmental process where guys 635 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:38,760 fit, things like that. So I think if you win, I think 636 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,320 even seven wins would probably maintain that. 637 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,520 But 8 or 9 and I would really circle like nine wins is the 638 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,480 sweet spot. You can easily then walk into a 639 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,840 recruits living room and say we told you that we were here to 640 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,400 stay. We told you that last year was 641 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,560 not a fluke, as I'm sure those players have heard from coaching 642 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,560 Staffs at places like Tennessee, like Michigan, like LSU, like 643 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,920 Florida. Now that takes that out of the 644 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,960 equation as far as an argument's concerned. 645 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,840 And now you can say, look, we've we've accomplished just almost 646 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,160 as much as we did last year and we put ourselves in a position 647 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,000 where we are one of the players, You know, what is the what did 648 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,600 Signetti say on CBS last year? The emerging superpower in 649 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,200 college football? You can go into recruits homes 650 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,040 and say that even more definitively now if you've won 651 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,280 eight or nine games. So that's what I would aim for 652 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,880 in this season as a minimum. I think Indiana's ceiling is 653 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,480 higher than that. The more that I've looked with 654 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,880 the schedule and the more that I've evaluated what's going on, 655 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,920 I do think Indiana ceiling is higher than that 88 and a half 656 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,640 win total that I've seen in a bunch of places. 657 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,440 Now, the Hoosier beer guys, question about do we think IU 658 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,400 starts off the year ranked? I do, I think Indiana, I'm going 659 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,520 to guess Indiana's going to start the season ranked 17th in 660 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,080 the AP poll. I think they should probably be 661 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,960 a little bit higher, but I can also see the arguments for them 662 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,360 being in that range. I think they'll probably be 663 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,800 somewhere between 15th and 22nd. In both polls, it's a great 664 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,520 place to start. And as we saw last year, 665 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,120 starting ranked is much better than not because you're in the 666 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,600 conversation from the beginning and going back to the arguments 667 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,800 about scheduling, which we'll talk about here with the last 668 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,480 question that we'll we'll field SEC teams. 669 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,400 So many of them start the season ranked, win against subpar 670 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,120 competition or worse, and then the fact that they were ranked 671 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,000 at the beginning of the year is used as justification in concert 672 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,840 with the wins against easy teams. 673 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,600 Whereas Indiana, as you'll recall, had to really fight to 674 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,160 get up, not just into the rankings, but then eventually up 675 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,280 into that top ten, top 15 range because they started the season 676 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,320 unranked. They just didn't get the benefit 677 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,160 of the doubt from voters. As we also learned last year, 678 00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,200 the voting sucks. Like the not just on the coach's 679 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,440 side either. Like, you know, there is so much 680 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,520 provinciality, especially among southern and weirdly Western 681 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,120 writers and people voting in this poll, that when you go 682 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,720 through and breakdown what they are doing week by week in the 683 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,840 voting, there is so much credence being given. 684 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,560 You know, if you wanted to take a very charitable approach, 685 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,800 credence being given to teams that were already in the 686 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,440 rankings. It looks really like the 687 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,200 credence is being given or the benefit of the doubt is being 688 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,720 given to SEC teams regardless of what they're doing, because the 689 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,400 expectation is, oh, those teams are just so much better. 690 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,600 And you can always point to the fact that they started off 691 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,600 ranked as the justification for that. 692 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,000 It's silly, but that seems to be how it works. 693 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,000 But Indiana being ranked to start the season is a big deal. 694 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,000 And as far as the scenario the Hoosier beer guy lays out, which 695 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,840 again was 10 and two with losses at Penn State and at Oregon, 696 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,880 would that would we find it hard for IU to make the playoff due 697 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,920 to residual push back from the schedule narrative and from last 698 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,440 year? This year will be different from 699 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,960 last year unless those teams fall completely off the wagon 700 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,120 that Indiana's got on their schedule currently. 701 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,160 So take the non conference out of the equation for a minute. 702 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,440 The scenario that Hoosier beer guys laying out here would be a 703 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,480 loss at Oregon, who many people think might be the second best 704 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,480 team in the conference, or maybe the best team in the conference. 705 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,400 Penn State, who many people think is the best team in the 706 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,680 conference, losing at both of those teams. 707 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,120 But then by virtue of the proposed record here, winning at 708 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,760 home versus Illinois, who will be ranked, winning at Iowa, 709 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,920 which is going to be a tough game. 710 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,360 And I think Iowa's going to win 8 or 9 games this year like they 711 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,160 almost always do. Winning at home versus UCLA, who 712 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,480 I think will be better. Winning at home versus Michigan 713 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,160 State, who I think will be better. 714 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,640 Winning on the road at Maryland, who I think will be at least a 715 00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:01,000 bowl team this year, That would carry a long way in terms of 716 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,280 getting into the playoff. You're probably not winning, but 717 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,680 well, here's the thing I was going to say, you're probably 718 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,440 not winning the Big 10, seven and two in the conference might 719 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,400 get you into the Big 10 title game this year. 720 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,200 One of the things that I think we got to note as we go into 721 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,840 this upcoming season is that all of these teams that we're 722 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,960 looking at as potentially the best teams in the conference, 723 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,160 all of them have some pretty tough schedules this year. 724 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,160 You know, Indiana got let down quite a bit last year by the 725 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,920 fact that their schedule had Washington and Washington was 726 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,360 not good. You know, they were, they were 727 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,880 OK. They had UCLA, who was supposed 728 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,040 to be good. They were not. 729 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,480 It had Nebraska. Nebraska was not good. 730 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,440 It had Michigan, who Indiana beat. 731 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,440 Michigan should have been better than they were last year. 732 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,520 So there were several games on the schedule. 733 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,080 Maryland's another one, like who was anticipating Maryland was 734 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,560 going to go 4:00 and 8:00 last year. 735 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,800 So Indiana had games on their schedule that should have 736 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:04,720 yielded a much greater overall strength of schedule and much 737 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,680 greater levels of respect across the country. 738 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,200 But the teams that they played, Michigan State was another one 739 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,840 who should have been better than they were. 740 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,880 It never manifested in those teams actually doing anything. 741 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,840 So assuming the wheels don't fall off Illinois, the wheels 742 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,200 don't fall off Iowa. Assuming Michigan State and UCLA 743 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,080 and Maryland are better. Like, you know, Wisconsin I 744 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,120 think could be decent this year as well. 745 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,760 Those would all be really good wins and those would be wins 746 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,480 that I think would help Indiana to escape the perception that 747 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,880 they had last year, that they had beaten just a bunch of cream 748 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,880 puffs, which was an unfair argument. 749 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,440 But it was an argument that the reality of which was born in the 750 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,600 way that the teams that they had on their schedule performed 751 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:50,320 elsewhere. And that was not up to par, 752 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,360 unfortunately. What I think is worth noting 753 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,040 though is, and I'll go back to the thing I was talking about 754 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,320 with the conference and whether Indiana will be in contention 755 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:05,840 for the title this year. 7 and 2 is not that's that's not far off 756 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,480 from what I think might get you into the conference title game 757 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:09,840 this year. Because if you think about like 758 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,240 Illinois, who everybody's been talking about non-stop Illinois 759 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:19,000 schedule this year includes at Indiana, USC at home, Ohio State 760 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,400 at home, at Washington, at Wisconsin, plus they've got to 761 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,560 go to Duke, which is a non conference game. 762 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,240 But still, I mean, that's that's five pretty 4/4 really tough 763 00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:32,800 games I would say in the big 10. And the idea that Illinois is 764 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,360 going to sweep all of those I don't really think is plausible. 765 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:41,200 It's possible, I guess, but I could see Illinois being a 766 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,640 really good team and being seven and two in conference. 767 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,880 You know, if you look at the schedule that Penn State who has 768 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,720 been most people's odds on favorite to win this conference, 769 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,720 they've got Illinois at home. They've got at sorry, hold on a 770 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:57,720 second. They've let me let me get the 771 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,160 right schedule up here. Penn State does not have 772 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,840 Illinois, I apologize, but they do have Oregon at home. 773 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,480 There we go. They've got to go to Iowa. 774 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,440 They've got to go to Ohio State. They've got to go to Michigan 775 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,080 State. They've got Indiana at home. 776 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,040 That is five really tough games in the conference. 777 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,200 You know that's that's a team that's going to have to play 778 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:23,240 perfect even to be in position to have one loss going into that 779 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,800 game that they host versus Indiana, Oregon schedule for 780 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,560 this upcoming year. They got to go to Penn State. 781 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,520 They've got Indiana at home. They've got to go to Iowa. 782 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,520 They've got Minnesota at home, they've got USC at home. 783 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,400 They've got to go to Washington in the last game of the year. 784 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,720 Those are some really tough games and even going over to 785 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:46,160 what Ohio State has to do this year, Ohio State schedule at 786 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,040 Washington, Minnesota at home, at Illinois, Penn State at home, 787 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,680 you know, at Michigan to close the season. 788 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,360 My, my point being, this is a gauntlet type of schedule for a 789 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,520 lot of these teams at the top of the conference. 790 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,520 And the idea that everybody's just going to sail through this 791 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,360 year and, and get an have an undefeated record or have only 792 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,680 one loss that may not be on the cards. 793 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,480 Even Michigan, you know, Michigan in the conference at 794 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,600 Nebraska, at USC, Washington at home, at Michigan State, Ohio 795 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,760 State at home. And that's assuming that they 796 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,000 play well at Northwestern, they play well at Maryland, they play 797 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,080 well at home versus Wisconsin. You know, there's a lot of games 798 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,520 for a true freshman quarterback like Michigan's going to have to 799 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:36,280 use that are going to be tricky. So my point is simply that AI 800 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,840 think 10 and two with the losses that Hoosier beer guy 801 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,360 highlighted. If they lose at Penn State and 802 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,040 lose at Oregon, but they win those other two games and win 803 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,680 the other games at home, that's a really good year for IU. 804 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,600 And that is, I think, smack dab in playoff contention. 805 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,640 If you finish the year 10 and two, I think you're still right 806 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,520 in it. Does Indiana get the benefit of 807 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,240 the doubt? If the committee's doing their 808 00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:00,920 job and they're being objective with this, I think Indiana will 809 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,200 be right in the conversation just as they were last year. 810 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,640 And if they don't do their job and they let what was talked 811 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,680 about last year affect the way they deliberate IU this year, 812 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,520 then at that point the committee is not doing its job and frankly 813 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,040 needs to be replaced with something else. 814 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:23,120 Last question from Rick Carter and ties in again, both with 815 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,480 what we heard of Big 10 media Day and also what I've been 816 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,760 talking about here. Schedule wise, how realistic is 817 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,400 Signetti's proposal of having a level of schedule uniformity 818 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,560 between the Big 10 and the SEC? What really intrigues me is his 819 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,840 idea of non conference matchups between Big 10 and SEC schools. 820 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,360 I think it's plausible because of two things. 821 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,520 A, it's more money for everybody. 822 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,360 And that seems to be the driving force whether we like it or not. 823 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,880 I think both Greg Sankey and Tony Petiti realize that they 824 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,840 are the ones in the driver's seat with college football. 825 00:45:56,240 --> 00:46:01,200 And I think they also realize that if we end up moving to this 826 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,160 automatic qualifier model, which I know Greg Sankey has come out 827 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,360 and said he doesn't want, but prior to the SEC meetings this 828 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,720 year, it sounded like they were all like certainly open to it. 829 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:17,320 And they're probably still are. If you listen to the podcast 830 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,440 with Andy Staples and Ari Wasserman from On Three, they 831 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,720 animated very heavily that it was the coaches in the SEC that 832 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:28,040 didn't want the automatic qualifier model, that that 44221 833 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,200 model, but that Sankey was actually in favor of it. 834 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:36,720 And that there's a conspiracy theory that perhaps Patiti's 835 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:40,280 going out and playing the heavy here and stating, look, we got 836 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,640 to have 9 conference games across the board or else we're 837 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,120 not going to change the model that we've currently got. 838 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,800 What this would do if the SEC went to 9 games, but you had a 839 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,440 guaranteed game that went across the two conferences an A, an SEC 840 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,320 Big 10 challenge basically, which we've seen in basketball. 841 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,440 Well, now you've got a very legitimate locked in model where 842 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,520 you've got the top 2 conferences who make the most money, make 843 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,440 the SE CS, I think making additional money at that point 844 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,000 because I'm assuming ESPN will have to ante up and pay for that 845 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,880 9th conference game. And they should because they'll 846 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,760 make more money off of that than they're currently making. 847 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:26,360 The SEC gets into alignment with the Big 10 and now we lock in 848 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,200 that additional game. And you could half those games 849 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,040 could go to ESPN and half those games could go to Fox. 850 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,640 And what you create at that point is an actual unified model 851 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,680 that looks a lot like the NFL scheduling model. 852 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,720 And I know a lot of people are like, we don't want college 853 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:44,320 football to be the NFL and I get that. 854 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,840 But if we're going to have a College Football Playoff, and I 855 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,560 think we need one, and I'll go into those details and, you 856 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,000 know, kind of like the state of college football on football 857 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,440 weather. So be sure to tune in for that 858 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,520 when it gets published. But if you're going to have 859 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,600 that, you can't have apples and oranges or there's not even 860 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,960 apples and oranges. They're both fruits. 861 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,160 You know, you can't you can't have two completely different 862 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,120 approaches to scheduling and then expect a committee to suss 863 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,480 all of it out later. That's that just doesn't work. 864 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,200 So if you think about the way the NFL does their scheduling, 865 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,040 it's very uniform and it's very consistent. 866 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,160 And you play the teams in your division and you also play the 867 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,040 teams in your conference and then you play some games from 868 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,520 out of the conference. But there's a clear formula and 869 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,560 that's what you need in this. Now, does that make it more 870 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,720 difficult on the Big 12 and the ACC? 871 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:40,040 Yes, it does, but I don't this is where the the problems with 872 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,680 the Big 12 and the ACC are financial in nature. 873 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,800 And at some point the expectation can't be, well, 874 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,760 we're just going to keep everything as the status quo. 875 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,400 And I think what is being talked about with this equal model that 876 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,920 Signetti talked about where you have a an exchange game 877 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,240 essentially, I'd love to see two more teams in the SEC or I'd 878 00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:04,200 love to see both conferences at 20 to make it all even. 879 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,880 I think you could do that with relatively little fuss. 880 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,720 Well, a little fuss in terms of what the of what those 881 00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:12,440 conferences won. There would be big fuss in the 882 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,360 Big 12 in the ACC with that approach. 883 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,840 But, you know, my philosophy on this is essentially you can't 884 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,160 let nostalgia for the past affect what's going on right 885 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,600 now. There were a lot of, you know, 886 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,560 there were a lot of predictions that people would stop watching 887 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,760 college football if it got more professionalized. 888 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,360 And that hasn't happened. And I don't think that we're 889 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,600 anywhere close to that happening. 890 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,560 So now you got to look at the. Formatting and I think as much 891 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,120 as you're hearing. Media members and certain people 892 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,400 in the SEC kicking and screaming about this. 893 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,600 It doesn't make any sense for one of these conferences to play 894 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,320 9 conference games and the other one to play 8. 895 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,040 I do think the SEC is going to eventually have to come around 896 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,760 on this and I honestly think from a financial perspective, 897 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,960 they want to. It's just a matter of making it 898 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,160 worth their while. And that will then lead to these 899 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,600 kinds of opportunities. And it would be interesting 900 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,760 watching these big tenant SEC teams matching up consistently 901 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,960 with each other over the course of of the next cycle of 902 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,160 scheduling. And I think it's a different 903 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,680 version of what fans would be interested in in the 1st place. 904 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:21,640 And that's I think something that we should be embracing as 905 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,240 opposed to resisting as we move forward with things. 906 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,560 So I appreciate the question, Rick. 907 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,240 It's a good question. And I do believe that it's it's 908 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:31,320 going to be one of those things that we have to keep an eye on 909 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,920 as we move forward. And it ties back into even the 910 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,880 conversation about the scheduling with Notre Dame that 911 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,360 I was talking about earlier on from that other question. 912 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,520 So a lot of fun things to talk about and a lot of things to 913 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,560 keep in mind as we move forward. We will go ahead and wrap up 914 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,240 this particular episode of Crimson Cast and talk more as we 915 00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:51,120 move forward about IU football. We'll have some answers to your 916 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,600 questions on personnel. We'll have some answers to your 917 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,400 questions on Memorial Stadium. A lot of you asked about that. 918 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,040 And. We'll have, of course, all of 919 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,560 our buddies back to talk about this upcoming season. 920 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,880 I'm Galen Clavio. We'll catch you folks. 921 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,840 On the flip side, stay never daunted. 922 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:06,880 It's all everybody.