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It is the 9th of January is a 
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Anyway, Scott we talked before 

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the the Northwestern game about,
you know, Indiana might have a 

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tough sled here, a little bit. 
I was myself thinking primarily 

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about about the Penn State and 
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The Penn State game coming up on
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coming up on Saturday, not that 
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possibility, Indiana might lose 
to Northwestern, but I, it was 

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the least likely of the 
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northwestern's been on offense, 
thus far this season, I thought,

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I you especially coming off that
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ready to go. 
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at all the Hoosiers came out. 
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Egg through the first 35 30 
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then try to make up for it at 
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It was like your classic case of
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sessions and then trying to cram
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final. 
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They got an F, Plus, instead of 
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Northwestern, northwestern's 
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last eleven times they played, 
which is just not good business.

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If you're Indiana basketball 
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Do we can talk about with this. 
This. 

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So we can still, we can go micro
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want to approach things? 
I just want to go macro but I 

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will say it's it. 
This was a game where I feel 

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happy to podcast because you 
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analytics and you do a lot of 
analytical research, which is 

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really good, but this is one of 
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kind of like because you look at
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one-point game and it's like, as
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that. 
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also a game where, you know, our
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like it's worse during those 
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like and the numbers kind of 
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at and they talk about the 
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couple things, they said they do
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I thought about even texting 
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welcome to you know, what it's 
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football. 
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you know, losing 12 out of 13 
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So they've been down this road. 
Fortunately, we've all been down

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this road but they mentioned 
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look at him like aren't we took 
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good, but it's like seven of 
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Hood Shafi. 
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I would say most of those were 
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just kind of created a three out
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like the team trying to get more
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It's just one-on-one basketball,
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problem, we can get to. 
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when we look back on it, the 
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what we saw with. 
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came in, kicked ass around. 
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seen so many times this year 
since the Northwestern, the 

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North Carolina game, we just 
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just kind of look like we didn't
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you know, there's I hate you 
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players and you'll college kids 
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because I know it's tough. 
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we've seen teams in the past 
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Ezra for the majority of times. 
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most of the guys on Northwestern
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and us, you know, iut not 
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wonder. 
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Well, other people are able to 
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And why do we seem so kind of 
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Not understanding how important 
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Assembly Hall for what it is 
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ready to get you there and then 
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Northwestern. 
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it's hard to get that crowd back
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The micro is kind of what I took
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And I would say to, you know, 
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because you had two games in a 
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say. 
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Hood Shafi. 
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ask for. 
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couple more turnovers me like 
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over here. 
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distributor and one of the 
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of the guys other your best guys
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lot out of him, so I'm okay with
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you're getting almost, you know,
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guys, two games in a row. 
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up and you're kind of looking 
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I understand we've had some 
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but these are all guys, who I 
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Northwestern and may or may not 
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So it's kind of like, unless 
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Yeah, that's a fair point. 
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So I want to say this before we 
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Yeah, it's this is where it gets
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basketball because there's so 
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Hurd Jaffe. 
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Trace Jackson. 
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He's clearly got some kind of a 
physical Vehicle ailment and yet

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in his last two games, he's 
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nine rebounds against Iowa and 
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twenty four rebounds against 
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Herculean efforts under any 
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circumstances where you're 
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And so, you know, you it's hard 
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You know. 
Can you criticize Trace Jackson?

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Davis for being kind of average 
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And simply you can, but let's be
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His job out there really is 
score points and grabbed 

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And I think he deserves a 
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and I think you can excuse some 
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know, because it's a guy who 
despite being injured played 78 

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of the 80 minutes in the last 
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nuts. 
I mean, that's he hadn't done 

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that in any two consecutive 
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I don't know if he's done that 
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FireEye ordeal is 40 minutes a 
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Just you can't do that. 
Like you just had I know you 

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needed a win but it's like that.
You almost make you need to rest

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him more than the win. 
Almost, yeah. 

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Meanwhile Jalen Hurd Ruffino not
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really in the last four, really 
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which keep remember was the 
first game he had played after 

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missing three consecutive games 
due to, you know, what was 

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classified as back spasms. 
I think it might have actually 

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been more serious than that. 
This is a guy who in that 

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four-game stretch starting. 
Ilan has played at least 30 

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minutes every game, and in fact,
it played 37 minutes and then 35

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minutes has raised his offensive
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His offensive rating was 
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It's now over one point per 
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He's also if you take conference
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third-highest assist rate in the
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through the four games that have
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He's been dishing out a cyst 
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Nationwide. 
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which is tremendous. 
He's also increased his 

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three-point shooting. 
Now to her, he's 39th in the 

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country in three-point 
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percent. 
Like so I know there's been 

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criticism and I understand the 
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with it about some of his 
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He had a couple of plays in that
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the ball and didn't run after 
it, you know, and Northwestern 

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ended up with easy layups. 
But again like You know, somehow

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gentleman Jaffe knows managed to
absorb most of the assist 

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related items that we lost would
save your Johnson's injury and 

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has elevated his offensive play.
I look at these two guys and I 

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say they can't be super men, 
they just cannot be. 

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They are they both of them? 
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both over the course of time. 
They both have performed at an 

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otherworldly level offensively 
and IU has desperately needed 

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that. 
And the fact that they are also 

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essentially being Expected to 
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defensively, highlights 
something that you mentioned, 

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which is where is the rest of 
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And this is where it's really, 
you know, to me, I think a real 

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concern and some of it is 
personnel and some of it is 

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schematic. 
This is not going to sustain 

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even to the level that it has. 
I mean Indiana. 

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Yes, they've lost three of their
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they've, you know, in, you know,
the last two they lost them by a

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combined three points. 
Not Both the Northwestern game 

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was especially not acceptable. 
In the Iowa has its own in its 

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own, special way, losing a 
21-point lead but it highlights 

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the paucity of contributions 
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this is where yes you have to 
acknowledge the injury to Xavier

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Johnson. 
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injury to race Thompson. 
Those are, those are tough 

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things to come back from. 
But a home game against 

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Northwestern should not be a 
showcase for a bunch of players 

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standing around, on offense. 
It shouldn't be a Showcase for a

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lack of energy on defense. 
It shouldn't be a showcase for 

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subpar rebounding effort. 
It shouldn't be a situation 

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where you have a starter playing
28, 6 minutes and picking up 

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five points. 
When that person's primary role 

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is to be an offensive threat, it
shouldn't be a situation where a

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starter Place. 
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they're the ones that are most 
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collective effort? 
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Kansas, we're talking about a 
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it essentially didn't matter. 
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they mention this on assembly 
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stretches of the game. 
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you know, top 35 recruits. 
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knows you mentioning Malik, 
renew and tomorrow, Bates. 

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have more toys. 
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frustrating because like, I'm 
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you know, we both talk about, 
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like, hey man, Rucker, that's a 
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It's like, okay, it's like 
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It's a really good team and 
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tough environment. 
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things but then it's like, you 
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I'm not saying you're saying 
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car while it's tough place to 
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It's like all right. 
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is look at some point. 
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it's like he's better than guys.
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and we have this is not a talent
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the coaching and where we're at 
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here is, you know, it's, you see
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success of NBA guys, coming into
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different style of basketball. 
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Going to shoot more 3 since I 
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can get a three. 
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around and get their own threes,
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college, but you just can't tell
Miller cop, like, hey, man, go 

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get some threes like you need to
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Jalen who Cioppino again. 
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really good at creating Three's.
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obviously aren't very good at 
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guys more threes because as 
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actually not a bad 3-point 
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this because it beliles a bigger
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don't seem to be running set to 
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Woodson talk about things the 
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press conference and coaches are
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but he's like, guys got to play 
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Like guys, guys just play better
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Like, all right. 
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mentality. 
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them to do things and I'm, I'm 
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other thing, too, that you look 
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our Big Ten schedule this for 
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Would you go off the Ken Palm 
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This is the easiest stretch. 
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next two games, Penn State, 
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two back-to-back games. 
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pom. 
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Northwestern were, I think it's 
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have two teams that are Of 40. 
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living Minnesota. 
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because they're 191st. 
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teams that don't involve, 
Minnesota, is a tougher matchup 

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than what we just went through. 
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And we lost both of those games.
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like, you know, we gotta start 
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if we can't go to an do in the 
next two years. 

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So, I'm with you on all of this 
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And we talk about these stats on
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Indiana stats had been since 
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you look at Indiana stats 
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top 25 team on both offense and 
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ultimately to being like a top 
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few teams do both. 
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happened against Northwestern 
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defense, Efficiency, the amount 
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per Possession. 
It ranks 140 First in the nation

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that is comparatively speaking. 
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nation, they, they are letting a
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possession up than Indiana is at
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taught Indiana's, defense has 
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the offense is a problem and I 
agree to sets are a problem. 

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Indiana does have more Talent 
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into points at some point 
scoring opportunity because they

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do have better Shooters. 
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bit better, not great, but a 
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Jackson Davis has been better on
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What resilient falling down 
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defensive effort of this team 
now. 

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Yes, you'll also save your 
Johnson but the team wasn't 

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playing great defense before. 
Xavier Johnson went down. 

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You lose race Thompson. 
Playing poor defense before race

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Thompson went down. 
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right now with this team and, 
you know, this is where, you 

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know, you can, you can criticize
effort, you can criticize, you 

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know, I look at it like this and
I think we talked about this 

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after the podcast when we were 
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podcast that we always have on 
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of the really successful teams 
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look at the teams like UConn 
Tennessee, Houston Kansas, who 

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we've already seen Purdue 
Xavier, you know, teams that 

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really like pop by and large. 
They are demonstrating a level 

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of activity and energy 
particularly on the defensive 

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end where they are. 
They look like, they're really 

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into the game. 
They look like they are really 

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going above and beyond Indiana. 
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Oftentimes defensively or 
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possessions where like someone 
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and Assembly Hall erupts and 
it's like who effort? 

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And then that's that's the last 
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or six minutes and then maybe 
it'll happen again. 

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It's so inconsistent and you 
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and this is something we're 
again. 

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I'm loathe to criticize. 
Trace Jackson, Davis in jail and

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rufina right now because they 
are carrying so much of the 

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offensive burden on this team. 
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contributors and there either. 
Making low energy plays or 

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they're making, not very smart 
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sustainable under any 

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circumstances. 
And again, I don't think that's 

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entirely players. 
I don't think it's entirely 

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coaches. 
I think it's a joint effort. 

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Where something is not 
penetrating. 

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I have a hard time believing 
that like, Mike Woodson and his 

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staff aren't telling their 
players to play hard. 

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But the way that they're doing 
it is not penetrating and for 

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the players, I have no doubt 
that they want to play hard. 

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But somewhere along the way that
is not translating into actually

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playing hard. 
And, you know, Irish, I've 

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always resist, I hate the word 
like soft. 

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I think that that's always an an
inconsistently applied term, 

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that doesn't really mean 
anything. 

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There's normally like far more 
precise things. 

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In this case, it's like, where's
the effort? 

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Why is it feel like you have to 
be bothered to go do something 

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like, you'll play that way 
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won't play that way in an 
average like run-of-the-mill 

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game. 
You know, there's no reason why 

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you're up 21 points in a game 
home or away, and you should 

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come away losing. 
That game is no reason for it 

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whatsoever. 
Except that mentally you take 

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your foot off the gas. 
You stop defending you stop 

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doing what you need to do. 
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individual players here and 
there and say Well they're 

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making a lot of stupid 
decisions. 

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There's other players on the 
bench like there's other ways to

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go about things. 
Like, why are those buttons 

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being pushed and or why don't 
you see like, more concerted 

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effort? 
Don't lie. 

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That's really what's threatening
the season at this point? 

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Yes, the injuries. 
Do not help but injuries I mean 

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that's what that's what 
separates you from title 

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Contender versus, you know, a 
team that's going to be like in 

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a 6789 seed range, not title 
Contender and might miss the 

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tournament which right now is 
where Indiana is at. 

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And, and that's a, that's a hell
of a turn around in a five week 

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span of time. 
No, it's been Sinbad five weeks 

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Bob, no question. 
And I think, I think what's 

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giving everybody the 
heebie-jeebies and again, I'm 

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I'm as guilty of this is like, 
you know, we're gonna beat just 

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because you know you know 
produce ranked sixth in can bomb

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doesn T we can't beat them. 
But like I mean it's we're not 

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going to lose to everybody who's
ranked above us and beat 

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everybody's right below us. 
So there's going to be some more

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wins this year. 
God hoping. 

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But we've seen you know this 
you've mentioned it. 

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I heard Jared talked about an 
assembly call like we've all 

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seen this a couple of years ago.
Like this really looks a lot 

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like the Romeo Juwan Morgan 
season. 

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We're that team. 
Some talent but kind of just 

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Sleepwalk through and what can 
happen is you can lose it, can 

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get off the rails real quick and
next thing you know, you're 

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losing 12 of 13 and it's like 
just the entire season summary 

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and that is what concerns me is.
Especially with the way the Big 

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Ten schedule is this year where 
you're talking three or four 

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days off and you're traveling 
every single week now. 

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There's no back-to-back home 
games. 

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There's no kind of get right 
moment. 

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You know, this could go off the 
rails quickly. 

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Yeah. 
Well that's what that's what 

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concerns me and then. 
I've won more Huger macro 

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thought, but I'll leave it at 
that and I'll go to that. 

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This might lead into that macro 
thought, I don't know. 

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I we do, we never check what 
we're going to talk about before

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these things. 
This is all on the Fly France, 

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it is very own brand. 
Um, there's a, it's clearly, 

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there's a disconnect with this 
coaching staff and I'm 

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disappointed about that. 
Because last year, it looked 

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like they were making progress 
towards establishing a team that

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didn't have the issue. 
Is that prior IU rosters had 

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demonstrated about not being 
able to finish games, you know 

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it always we you and I talked on
the phone yesterday during the 

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Archie era and and the end of 
the Korean Air, it always felt 

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like well if Indiana was going 
to win, it was going to be a 

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grind. 
There were very few blowouts in 

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favor of Indiana but Indiana was
capable of getting blown out and

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it happened on on multiple 
occasions because there were 

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just be days where I you would 
not show up. 

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And this stretches across three 
coaches, it stretches across 

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what 40 plus players. 
The the if you take the record 

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this year that I use a crude in 
the Big Ten and you add it to 

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the record that I you is accrued
starting with cranes final 

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season. 
This Indiana team in regular 

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00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:15,500
season Big Ten play is fit, I 
don't know his foot and right 

447
00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:20,300
now and the podcast now I don't 
want to know it's 50 and 69 it's

448
00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:25,300
a 42% win percentage since the 
start of Big Ten play in 2017. 

449
00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:28,700
If you add in Big, Ten 
tournament games there 54 and 

450
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:32,800
74, which is So 42% like there's
no percentage difference there. 

451
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:35,800
This is who Indiana is. 
What's fascinating? 

452
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,600
To me is cert is certainly that 
you know, you have this 

453
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,900
situation where there's there's 
a lot of fingers that you can 

454
00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:48,000
point at the way that the 
coaching staff thus far has 

455
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,500
handled this team. 
You know, they took a nosedive 

456
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,800
back around the first of 
December, where they were simply

457
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,900
they went from being a really 
good team, like a Top 15 caliber

458
00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:03,400
team at the beginning of the 
year to being essentially, a 

459
00:24:03,408 --> 00:24:05,100
team that would be on the 
outside looking in. 

460
00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:07,200
I think if the tournament draw 
were to happen today. 

461
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:09,500
So you can certainly point the 
finger at the coaching staff 

462
00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:12,500
this year, but this is a multi 
generational problem. 

463
00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:16,200
Now, with IU basketball 
stretching back to when crane 

464
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:23,500
was still here where I you just 
doesn't seem like they care at 

465
00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:26,100
the end of the day on the floor 
as much as many of the teams 

466
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:28,300
that they play. 
Now, some of that is stylistic 

467
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:33,100
some of that is There are teams 
that are, I think recruited for 

468
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:35,800
a particular system that works 
in the Big Ten better than 

469
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,500
Indiana has. 
And that's part and parcel with 

470
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:39,900
having three different coaches, 
that's three different 

471
00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:44,100
philosophies that you're trying 
to construct but it's just 

472
00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:49,300
curious that I you of all 
programs, the the Blue Blood of 

473
00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:53,800
the Big Ten would have a 42% win
percentage that stretches over 

474
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,600
an hour six and you know almost 
six and a half years span and 

475
00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:02,100
they're not be a Real like 
accounting for that. 

476
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:04,500
Like what is it? 
Like, it can't be this Coach 

477
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:06,200
Sucks. 
Therefore that's the problem. 

478
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,700
Because again, it stretches over
multiple coaches. 

479
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,800
It stretches over multiple types
of players. 

480
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,500
There isn't really a Common 
Thread other than this is 

481
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:17,600
always, this is now suddenly 
always happening at Indiana and 

482
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,800
that's both not acceptable, but 
it's also really curious like 

483
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,700
why that would be he like what 
like what's the root cause of 

484
00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:24,700
it? 
Because it can't just be one 

485
00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:28,500
thing. 
Yeah, I don't you are 100% 

486
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:29,900
right? 
I don't have an answer. 

487
00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:34,300
I will say this and this is kind
of the we've gotten into like 

488
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:37,600
sometimes our discussion after 
the Pod is is deeper than a dirt

489
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,200
like, so I'm just going to bring
some after pod discussion to on 

490
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,700
the Pod because that's what the 
whole point of this podcast was 

491
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:46,800
is that this is a freight. 
Everyone likes to be right in 

492
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,000
retrospect, but it's harder to 
be right in the moment and not 

493
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,200
saying I'm, right. 
And by the way, I caveat this, 

494
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,800
I'm not saying anybody should be
like fired or any of that now. 

495
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,900
Just like just hear me out. 
But you know, a common frame 

496
00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:00,900
that we hear a lot is, you know,
he got again. 

497
00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:03,300
We kept creating, you know, just
too long, we kept Archie too 

498
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:05,900
long. 
Well, okay, Creed and 2013 had 

499
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:08,400
the number one ranked team. 
Like that's he's going to be 

500
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,000
fine after that, but he was 
here, Four Seasons after that 14

501
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,400
15 16 17. 
And so if you're going to say he

502
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,700
stayed around too long, like 
that's a three-year window. 

503
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,700
Like if you're going to say like
because obvious you're not going

504
00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:23,100
to fire him after, he was the 
number one team in the country. 

505
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:25,300
But the, you know, and I've 
heard that a lot like crane was 

506
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:27,400
here too long. 
II don't disagree. 

507
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:29,900
But it's like that's three years
of mediocrity. 

508
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:32,100
See, Archie was here for years. 
We're like some people like 

509
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:33,700
Archie was here. 
You got me messed up? 

510
00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:35,500
We left him here too long. 
It's like, okay. 

511
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,900
Then we've been using that 
logic, you should have made a 

512
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:42,300
change after three years knows, 
obvious and noticeable. 

513
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,900
I think what concerns me and we 
need to realize this real-time 

514
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,200
is a lot of those warning signs 
are things that we're seeing 

515
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,600
right now, like getting blown 
out, losing to Northwestern, 

516
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,200
hoping all the things we just 
talked about. 

517
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,300
And so both of those guys, 
Create an Archie. 

518
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,400
You could also say deserved a 
little more benefit of the doubt

519
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,900
because they were younger. 
So like if Archie were been able

520
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:05,600
to turn it around or be good, 
it's like well, now we got a guy

521
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,700
in his mid-40s. 
You can be here for another 25 

522
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:10,300
years, Woodson. 
Just by the way, time works 

523
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:11,900
doesn't have that as an 
advantage. 

524
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:15,500
And so, I would just say again, 
I'm not saying not that I have 

525
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,600
the power to call for anything, 
or we should be calling for 

526
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,600
heads. 
I'm just saying that if you're 

527
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,000
retroactively one of those 
people who says, we kept crying 

528
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,100
too long and that screw things 
up, we kept our chew too long 

529
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:28,400
and screw things up then, and if
this Season continues to go down

530
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,300
the tubes and we don't turn 
things around very quickly and 

531
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:35,500
make the tournament then, like, 
honestly next year should be, 

532
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,100
you know, a culmination year to 
either get the grade or not for 

533
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:41,500
Woodson. 
And that's just, that's kind of 

534
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:44,200
what's been rattling around in 
my head is that, you know, 

535
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,500
that's, my concern is that 
people are going to be kind of 

536
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:49,600
like, well, it's give them a 
couple more, like give him a 

537
00:27:49,608 --> 00:27:52,200
couple more years again and 
suddenly he's here, 34 feel for 

538
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,900
56 years, it just looking back. 
Everybody that we say was here 

539
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:57,800
Long. 
It was for years and it's like 

540
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,000
time goes by quickly, like data 
this year will be at two years, 

541
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,400
so it's just, I'm just throwing 
that out there or something to 

542
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,400
think about that. 
We got to get this back on track

543
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,500
very quickly because you missed 
the tournament this year. 

544
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,800
You know, that's, I don't want 
to keep going with that thought,

545
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,700
but that's just the thoughts of 
rattling around my head. 

546
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,800
I mean, it's tough because 
there's clearly it's an injury 

547
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,700
affected team but as we just 
talked about the issues are she 

548
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:23,600
had an indirect in season? 
Well, I mean well and issues 

549
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,500
aren't that the injuries as much
as they are. 

550
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:27,500
The Bert. 
And the plan because it doesn't 

551
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:28,900
seem to be a plan. 
There doesn't see. 

552
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:31,700
I don't know what the identity 
of this team is, I really don't 

553
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:33,800
like, I know, I've been saying 
that for a while, even we were 

554
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,600
doing well, that's kind of a 
question we have. 

555
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,500
Yeah, it's like well. 
Okay. 

556
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:39,500
What direction are they going to
go with this and look? 

557
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:46,200
I, you know, Woodson, you know, 
so much seems to be hinging on 

558
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,000
what he's does in recruiting and
I look and I'm predisposed to 

559
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,900
like Woodson, I think I'm 
predisposed to like the idea of 

560
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:57,400
Woodson coaching I think That he
brings a lot to the table. 

561
00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:59,900
What does you know? 
What's interesting about this 

562
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:03,400
era? 
Is, it's hard to use the excuse 

563
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,800
of? 
Well, I don't have my guys in 

564
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,900
yet, when you look at the 
roster, okay? 

565
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:11,500
Trace Jackson Davis is clearly 
an Archie player, but then you 

566
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,200
start going and race Thompson's 
in Archie player, but you start 

567
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,100
going down the list. 
Like we all liked them, too. 

568
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:18,200
So that's not a bad thing. 
Jalen, atrophy know. 

569
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,500
That's a, that's a Woodson guy. 
Xavier Johnson. 

570
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,700
That was a Woodson Guy, brought 
him in the transfer portal. 

571
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:25,500
Renew, that's a Woodson guy 
Banks. 

572
00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:29,900
Woodson By tomorrow Bates, 
Woodson guy was brought in as a 

573
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,300
recruit pick up when Shaka left.
Texas. 

574
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,700
Jordan Geronimo. 
He's not really a Woodson guy, 

575
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:38,700
but they had an opportunity to 
let Geronimo walk in the portal 

576
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:41,100
this year and they actively told
him to come back. 

577
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:42,500
At least that's how it was 
presented. 

578
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:46,100
CJ gun, Woodson guy, cop, 
Woodson guy Galloway. 

579
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,700
I mean he's a he's a he's an 
Archie guy. 

580
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:52,300
So I guess he's kind of in the 
middle but he's starting right 

581
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:55,800
now, you know, it's just like 
you go down the roster. 

582
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:58,900
Not like it's populated by a 
bunch of guys who would send 

583
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:02,600
didn't bring in it. 
You know, I'd say it's probably 

584
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,200
slightly more guys that Woodson 
brought in either, you know, 

585
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,000
through the portal or in 
recruiting. 

586
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:11,400
Is it a younger team? 
Well, yes and no it is now 

587
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,200
because they're having to play a
bunch of guys that weren't 

588
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,600
expecting to play, but even then
it's not really. 

589
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,200
I mean, like, Tres Jackson Davis
is in his fourth year. 

590
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,300
Like tomorrow, Bates is, you 
know, middle of a sophomore 

591
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:25,800
year, like that's not what I 
would consider a young guy, man.

592
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,500
It's like and and it's like, 
okay, you can make that excuse, 

593
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:32,700
I think, okay, you losing it 
Iowa, whatever, but you're at 

594
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:35,800
home against Northwestern like 
this is a Northwestern team that

595
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,100
while they're not terrible. 
They're, they're also, as you 

596
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:43,600
mentioned, that's essentially 
probably maybe the third worst 

597
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,000
team that you're going to play 
in Big Ten. 

598
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,700
Play clearly Minnesota's worse 
than them clearly. 

599
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:51,900
And maybe coming out of Nebraska
is clearly worse than the but 

600
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:54,800
they're worse than them. 
Statistically that's that's 

601
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,000
about the bottom of the rung. 
Rung of the ladder and it does 

602
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,300
worry me. 
And I think, you know, what, you

603
00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:02,000
and I were talking about 
yesterday that I don't have an 

604
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,500
answer to, but I do think it's 
important just to just to make 

605
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:06,700
sure those of you were 
listening. 

606
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:09,100
We're not advocating anybody 
getting fired when advocating at

607
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:13,200
changes in Direction per se, but
it is an interesting thought, 

608
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,700
process. 
When you look at the successful 

609
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:21,600
programs that are out there 
right now, Most of them not 

610
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,000
every single one but most of 
them has a coach in place that 

611
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,700
has been there for a while now 
that has built up structures 

612
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:34,100
that has a direction and I don't
know that you're going to be 

613
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:39,000
able to get to that point with 
Woodson, given his age and given

614
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,400
the fact that he's not a 
coaching lifer on the college 

615
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,500
level, this isn't exactly what 
you know, like this is not the 

616
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:49,200
world, he came from, this is a 
difficult model to get your head

617
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,500
wrapped. 
Around because it is different 

618
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:52,100
than the pros. 
You're doing different things, 

619
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:54,200
you need different things out of
players, you know, your program 

620
00:31:54,200 --> 00:32:02,400
needs to do different things and
it just it's very tricky to look

621
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,700
at that and say, okay, this is 
sustainable. 

622
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:12,800
And if you if you're going to 
miss the tournament this year in

623
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,300
a year where you were expected 
to contend for the Big Ten 

624
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:20,200
title, yes, certainly injuries 
are creating problems but It's 

625
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,600
one thing to not contend for the
title. 

626
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,400
It's another thing to look like 
you can't contend for anything 

627
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,200
and you know, if the team rights
the ship and wins two games this

628
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,600
week, we're not talking about 
any of this. 

629
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,000
What is concerning though? 
I guess is this, you know the 

630
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,000
what led the team to lose both 
of the games was an attention to

631
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,900
detail and as much as, you know,
bob Knight and his disciples of 

632
00:32:45,908 --> 00:32:48,000
always preached. 
This idea about preparation, 

633
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,300
being the key and is as much as 
we still have this memory of 

634
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:56,600
night, coached teams being 
better prepared and having the 

635
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,400
will to win as well as the will 
to prepare to win. 

636
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,500
You know, the reality is more 
often than not thus far with 

637
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:06,500
what we've seen out of Woodson's
teams is very similar to what we

638
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:08,700
saw out of Archie's teams and 
very similar to what we saw out 

639
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:11,600
of a lot of those Korean teams 
which was teams that look like 

640
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,600
on some days they're ready to 
roll and on other days look like

641
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,800
they can't really be bothered 
and what I see in a lot of new 

642
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,200
hires. 
And hires with older coaches is 

643
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,400
if it's going to change that 
changes pretty quickly. 

644
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,900
You know, it's and it's why I 
got excited about the first 

645
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:30,600
month of the season because it 
looked like that and changed, it

646
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,400
looked like oh this team really 
looks locked in this team looks 

647
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,100
like yeah there's some flaws 
that have to be fixed but this 

648
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:38,800
team looks like it's going to 
fight for 40 minutes. 

649
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,400
That's what that's what we saw 
in that game at Xavier and for 

650
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,800
it to just categorically 
disappear, the way that it has 

651
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,200
doesn't bode well for what is 
likely to be a very difficult. 

652
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,800
Big Ten campaign, I would love 
to, I love this, Woodson thing 

653
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,400
to work out, and I just wonder 
why this team looks like, it's 

654
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,200
just reverted right back to 
where it was for the bulk of the

655
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,700
regular season last year, and 
where it was at the previous 

656
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:06,700
season and where it was at, for 
a large part of the Season 

657
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:10,600
before that, as well, that 
doesn't, that really should be 

658
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,199
setting some Panic alarms off 
because that is that's not going

659
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:16,699
to work. 
It hasn't worked in the Big Ten.

660
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:19,300
That's why you missed as many 
NCAA. 

661
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:22,500
Tournaments as they did in a row
and it's why they're at this 

662
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:25,600
point early on in the Big Ten 
granted. 

663
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:29,900
But it's why at this point, 
they, you look at them versus 

664
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:32,900
most of the other teams in the 
conference that would be NCAA 

665
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:35,800
contenders and it's like, I 
don't see a lot out of Indiana 

666
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,699
right now, that's making me 
think they're gonna be able to 

667
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:42,400
rise above not, you know, not 
just the Purdue's and the 

668
00:34:42,408 --> 00:34:45,800
Michigan State's but like 
Maryland who has sucked the last

669
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,300
month, you know, lost five out 
of seven games lost. 

670
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,199
Just, you know, got destroyed by
Michigan on the road. 

671
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,699
Got destroyed by Rutgers. 
They turn around on Sunday at 

672
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:58,600
home and they beat an Ohio State
team by seven points. 

673
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,100
That was you know, that's top 15
and Ken palm. 

674
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:03,000
And, you know, took Purdue down 
to the wire. 

675
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000
Like that's the response that 
you need. 

676
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,300
And I you doesn't look like 
they're up to the task of 

677
00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:11,000
answering it even against a 
Northwestern and yes, again 

678
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,700
injuries, caveat it. 
But that's a real problem. 

679
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:14,900
I think. 
And I don't know what the answer

680
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:16,500
to that isn't. 
It doesn't sound like in the 

681
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:19,600
postgame press conference that 
Woodson had a whole Out of 

682
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,800
answers for it either, and that 
really does concern me. 

683
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,300
Yeah. 
I mean the pot I'll put want to 

684
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:28,700
end it on negatives but I will, 
but that the positive is you 

685
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:31,600
know, if you can go to and own 
your next games all this 

686
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,700
changes, you know, there's this 
is a little bit of, you know, 

687
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:35,900
like shot. 
React, we go forward, one in. 

688
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:38,600
Your next five games that 
changes, I would love to see the

689
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,600
IU fan, who's willing to bet a 
thousand dollars on those 

690
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,700
results. 
Because I think that's why we're

691
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:47,600
doing this here, you know, the 
things that do that also concern

692
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,500
me, that give me a lot of pause 
is, you know, I really Like you 

693
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:54,400
know, coached on Sony on 
assembly call. 

694
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,800
And this is I'm not knocking him
at all. 

695
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,000
Just when he said this, it 
freaked me out in the in the 

696
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,400
post game yesterday is talking 
about how you know, you know, 

697
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,900
we'd see more probably CJ gun 
some more Loken Duncan because 

698
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:11,500
he's like, this is a Reba, this 
is a training year or rebuilding

699
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:16,300
year and I don't, I'm not it's 
whether he's right or wrong, 

700
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:18,300
might even go ahead. 
It's just like the idea of like,

701
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,000
wow, okay, I respect what he 
sees. 

702
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,100
And for him to just be like yeah
like we're this is not even a 

703
00:36:25,107 --> 00:36:27,100
year, we're going to compete but
we're just we got to get young 

704
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:28,600
guys, some reps, we can be 
better next year. 

705
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,700
It's like it was a shot across 
my bow. 

706
00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:33,100
It's like I am not here to say 
agreed. 

707
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:35,600
This was like, wow, like that. 
Could be what we're looking at 

708
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,300
is like this is like and what's 
frightening is with the Woodson 

709
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,300
idea again it's not like you're 
hiring a young guy who like 

710
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:45,700
going to take some time, like 
all right, we can kind of, you 

711
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:49,300
know, so to speak, piss away a 
year on training because we're 

712
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:51,600
building something here, it's 
like the whole idea with Woodson

713
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,600
is like Like he'll come in, get 
the Indiana thing. 

714
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,500
Get a couple recruiting like 
we'll get some quick hits of a 

715
00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:59,400
couple years just making the 
tournament being good. 

716
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,800
Then it's like then we can hand 
off a respectful program to 

717
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,700
somebody else. 
The idea of a guy who I think 

718
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,700
even in the best case we're all 
thinking has six or seven years 

719
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:09,000
here. 
It's like to just be kind of 

720
00:37:09,008 --> 00:37:11,200
like we're going to piss one of 
these away. 

721
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,900
Like early cream years is like 
that was never anything. 

722
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:17,600
I thought was going to be in our
options here and I'm not saying 

723
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,500
it's happening yet. 
Yeah, but it does when you look 

724
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:24,900
at the schedule and you look at 
where we're at, At it, we are 

725
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,700
still in the tournament if they 
picked it today but we're 

726
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:32,100
trending in the absolutely wrong
direction. 

727
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:36,200
And you know this is where again
this you know it's this is this 

728
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,100
is really where you were in your
money and it's really tough to 

729
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:42,800
turn these things around and you
really got to dig in and put an 

730
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,200
absolute ton of work in to get a
team turned around. 

731
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,600
And this is where it's like I 
really hope Woodson and the 

732
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,600
staff is able to do that because
I'm concerned. 

733
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,700
Well yeah. 
And on that. 

734
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:56,500
Yeah. 
No, I agree and I guess I'll 

735
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:59,300
just come back to a different 
version of the same roof ain't 

736
00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:04,100
refrain. 
Which is that your best win in 

737
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:08,100
the last month. 
Since you know since December 

738
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:13,000
9th is a 14-point win against 
Kennesaw State a team that you 

739
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,300
struggled against were trailing 
for a bit. 

740
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:20,000
You just were down by double 
digits, for most of the game 

741
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,900
against Northwestern. 
Team that I is going to struggle

742
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:26,100
to make the tournament. 
I don't know what you're 

743
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:28,800
supposed to feel good about and 
I don't know what the excuse 

744
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,100
would be with those sorts of 
performances, because it doesn't

745
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:34,500
feel like this, you know, it's 
not like you're missing your for

746
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:38,100
top scorers, you've got an 
All-American candidate and 

747
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:41,800
you've got a starting guard, who
is at this point, probably a 

748
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,500
fringe first round second round 
draft pick. 

749
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:46,300
Like, is certainly in the Pro 
conversation. 

750
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:49,400
Like there are teams that would 
kill for that level of talent. 

751
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,000
Who are outperforming that level
of talent. 

752
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,700
Talent and and it just, you get 
such inconsistent contributions 

753
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,300
from the rest of the roster. 
Is that the roster you thought 

754
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:00,400
you were going to have. 
No. 

755
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,100
But why do you need an ideal 
roster for guys who are out 

756
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:07,400
there to give the level of 
effort needed to win games? 

757
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,800
This has been the problem with 
Indiana, the lack of consistency

758
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,700
of effort. 
Again, it stretches across 

759
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:14,500
multiple coaches multiple 
rosters. 

760
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:17,300
It's not pointing the finger at 
any one person, but it is at 

761
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:19,800
this point. 
It's Mike Woodson's job. 

762
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:24,700
It's this coaching staffs roll. 
And I I'm certain they are doing

763
00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:29,200
everything they can to try to 
fix this but I'm very fascinated

764
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,400
by why it is not working like 
what what is the disconnect it 

765
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,900
shouldn't be? 
Like the the level of and we've 

766
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:41,600
seen this with certain players 
and is no point in naming them 

767
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,400
because I think we've all 
watched the games like why are 

768
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,400
you having to like Kajol? 
And I felt this way at the end 

769
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,600
of the night are, you know? 
And it's not like it's a limited

770
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,700
here. 
I mean, you go back and watch 

771
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:54,900
those tapes. 
Tapes from 96 97, even into 98 a

772
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:58,600
little bit and it's like, why is
it such an you know, a huge 

773
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,200
undertaking to try to get a 
level of effort that exceeds 

774
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,800
your opponent when your opponent
is generally an inferior, 

775
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,500
talented team, probably you 
know, a team that we would, you 

776
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:14,400
know, in our arrogance is IU 
fans would look down our noses 

777
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,600
upon. 
And it's like, well, that's all 

778
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,800
well and good. 
But they won the game and 

779
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,500
Indiana didn't, and it's worse 
now. 

780
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:23,500
Because, at least those teams 
were Finishing 500 or better in 

781
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:27,600
the conference Indiana's, a 42% 
team in the conference for the 

782
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,400
last seven years. 
I think of the greatest quote 

783
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,400
for you know the the night you 
know, 1985 when he's pissing the

784
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,900
locker room screaming I'm tired 
of F and losing to Purdue and 

785
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:37,700
I'm tired. 
It's like yeah. 

786
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:40,100
We're to point out is I'm tired 
of losing Northwestern, right? 

787
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,200
Tired of losing to Rutgers like.
Yeah. 

788
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,200
I'm tired of losing to, like, 
half the bottom of the Big Ten 

789
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,400
know that that stat is, is 
frightening. 

790
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,300
I want to end on this question 
for you. 

791
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:51,600
A question. 
I never thought I would ask this

792
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,300
season. 
And, but how important is it for

793
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:57,500
Indiana to make the tournament 
this year? 

794
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,400
Now let's not talk about if they
will or Camp it. 

795
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,200
Like you know, what is, how is, 
how important is that if we miss

796
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,300
a tournament? 
What does that do? 

797
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:06,200
I never, well, we need to be 
thinking about that. 

798
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:09,700
I mean, look, it's Indiana. 
It's important to make the 

799
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:11,900
tournament every year. 
I mean it should be. 

800
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:16,100
And the that's when I look at 
the roster, I guess here's what 

801
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:18,500
concerns mean. 
First of all, this is an arrow 

802
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:22,000
that nobody knows. 
We don't know exactly. 

803
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:26,000
We how college basketball works?
Now, because with the portal, it

804
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,800
is theoretically possible to 
bring a bunch of new players in 

805
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:33,400
change over the roster. 
What concerns me is, you know, 

806
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,700
even if the expectations were 
slightly too high or moderately 

807
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:40,400
too high. 
This is a team that went on a 

808
00:41:40,408 --> 00:41:44,400
run at the end of last season. 
They made the tournament as it 

809
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,100
turned out. 
Barely there in the play-in 

810
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:51,900
game, they chose to bring back a
bunch of players. 

811
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:55,800
Is that they could have moved on
from with the idea that this 

812
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:01,300
core was going to be a core that
could move things forward and 

813
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:03,800
get Indiana back to a level of 
respectability. 

814
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,100
Like they chose to have all of 
these players on the roster. 

815
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:08,800
There was a lot of excitement 
among the coaching staff among 

816
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,900
others around the program about 
how good this could be. 

817
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:16,200
It is to me, it's vitally 
important that they make the 

818
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,600
tournament, and they very well, 
might still, I mean, Ken pom is 

819
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,900
projecting them at 10 and 10 in 
the conference, you know? 

820
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:24,600
So it's not like the, you know, 
it's not like the season's over 

821
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:30,200
or anything like that, you know,
now it depending on the thing 

822
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,600
that you're looking at, in terms
of like the projected record 

823
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,700
liked, or Vic's already got 
Indiana dropped to nine and 

824
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:36,200
eleven. 
That's, that's starting to get 

825
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,900
into danger territory. 
But going back to your point 

826
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:43,500
about what our friends over at 
assembly. 

827
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:48,500
Call said, if this is somehow 
turning into a rebuilding year 

828
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:51,900
or a building toward next year 
year, you're going to have an 

829
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:55,800
entirely different roster or a 
largely different roster in 

830
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,600
terms of who the primary people 
are next year, most likely, if 

831
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,300
that's the case. 
So what are you really building?

832
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,800
Like it's this is not like, hey 
we've got this core of like baby

833
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,800
Hoosiers that we have to grow 
and cultivate as you said you've

834
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,400
got you've got a lot of 
experience on this roster. 

835
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,000
You've got a lot of guys in 
roles that you're relying on and

836
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,000
what bothers me is. 
You know you've got Certain 

837
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,000
players who by this point should
have been able to step into 

838
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,100
full-time roles, who should have
been antsy to get out there and 

839
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:30,900
be full timers. 
And then when they've gotten the

840
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:36,400
opportunity haven't been able to
actually provide the requisite 

841
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,000
performance on the offensive and
defensive sides of things. 

842
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,000
And that's to me like if that's 
the case, what are you building 

843
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,300
towards? 
Because a year-and-a-half 

844
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:49,200
essentially of prepping people 
and getting them in that 

845
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,000
direction you should have either
been able. 

846
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,900
To get them to the point where 
they could contribute when they 

847
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:55,400
come in now, or if you couldn't,
you probably should have moved 

848
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,800
on from them in the offseason 
and gotten some people in who 

849
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,800
Could because we've seen 
programs across the country, do 

850
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,600
one of the other. 
And the fact that Indiana at 

851
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,800
this point is struggling with 
both injuries taken into 

852
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,000
account. 
With that I don't think anything

853
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,000
excuses, losing the 
Northwestern. 

854
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:16,100
Barely beating Kennesaw State 
blowing a 21-point lead at Iowa 

855
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:20,300
like that. 
Those are things that I refuse 

856
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:23,000
to think that will Oh gosh, 
we're just too injured to have 

857
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,900
kept any of those things from 
happening that, if that's the 

858
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:27,700
case, then I am really 
concerned. 

859
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:31,300
And I'm just, I keep holding out
hope in my mind that this was 

860
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:35,500
just some big Swoon, but you get
hit in the face with, you know, 

861
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:38,100
Visual Evidence enough times. 
You start to wonder if that's 

862
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:40,400
actually the reality as opposed 
to the exception. 

863
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:44,500
I'll just one more minute. 
This is an after the Pod 

864
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:48,500
discussion on the Pod, it your 
stat boggles my mind like again 

865
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:51,000
that just going through those 
that that's that. 

866
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,500
I'm just playing and Ken Palm 
right now. 

867
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:56,800
Kind of being like, you know, 
when was the last time we were? 

868
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,100
Because we always say we're 
projected at 10 and 10 this year

869
00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:03,000
it's like what was the last time
we were above 500 in the Big Ten

870
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,800
and looking back? 
I know you're like encyclopedic 

871
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,800
knowledge, you know, but it's 
like I will say my son, Grayson,

872
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,600
who I love who's in first grade 
was born in. 

873
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,600
He's six years old now, he was 
born in June of 2016. 

874
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:19,100
He's never seen Indiana. 
Finish above 500 in the Big Ten.

875
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:22,100
It was 2016 Yogi's Big 10. 
Here and then what's weird is 

876
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:23,200
going back. 
I'm just, like while you're 

877
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,700
talking, I'm also playing around
on Kenta I'm listening to you 

878
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:28,700
and Tenley 99% of attention to 
you 1% to Ken bomb. 

879
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:32,700
I'm like, how many years of the,
you know, since 2002 have we 

880
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:35,600
finished above 500, the Big Ten 
and again there's a crean, 

881
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,900
there's a gap there with like we
were really bad ever say I'm 

882
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:41,300
saying, like, you always have to
factor that in but what boggles 

883
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:43,900
my mind is that you get down 
it's like oh it kind of changes 

884
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:46,700
like near the end, there were a 
bunch of years above 500 like 

885
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:50,300
the end of the day. 
The Sarah Davis finishes in 05, 

886
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:53,100
he's tenant. 
Exit and 07 in 06. 

887
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:57,700
He's nine and seven and it's 
like, nobody would sit here and 

888
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:00,800
say, you know, Mike Davis is at 
that point. 

889
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,600
His career was the best X's and 
O's coach. 

890
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,000
And a great program manager, 
like not here to kick on Davis. 

891
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,500
But it's like it at Indiana with
what you have and with what we 

892
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:15,400
have on this roster, it's not. 
It shouldn't be this hard to go 

893
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,500
500 in the Big Ten like we're 
not asking for national titles, 

894
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:20,300
right? 
Asking for a blue blood unless 

895
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:23,000
you're big tent. 
Titles like for f sake, going 

896
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,500
500, the Big Ten and I continue 
to look at that Samson years, 

897
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:31,300
it's like two years back to back
just you know, somebody who 

898
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:34,800
comes in who obviously knows 
what he's doing were 10 and 6, 

899
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,100
and then were 14 and four and 
that's without him finishing a 

900
00:46:38,107 --> 00:46:41,400
year. 
It's well, it's even 

901
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,900
mind-boggling again. 
This is crean Archie Woodson, 

902
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:49,100
like it, this is a cross, but 
it's like, why is this so GD? 

903
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:53,800
Hard for us to just get Above 
500 in the Big Ten because right

904
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,700
now, it looks like we're going 
to claw to get to 10 and 10. 

905
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,800
Well and this is what I was 
going to mention real quick. 

906
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,500
Like, you look at each of the 
last several years, you look at 

907
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:05,600
the high watermark for Indiana 
in the conference. 

908
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,200
This is what I think really, 
what concerns me the most both 

909
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,300
about both about Woodson and 
about the players, it's not one 

910
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:13,700
or the other. 
Yeah, last year Indiana's, 

911
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:16,200
high-water Mark in, the 
conference was, they were seven 

912
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,500
and four. 
It was at the end of January, 

913
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,400
there's 16 and 5, overall, they 
beat Maryland that Maryland, 

914
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,100
they were on it, they won four 
out of five. 

915
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:25,700
They were seven and four. 
They finished at Big Ten season 

916
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:29,100
9 and 11. 
They lost five games in a row. 

917
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:32,900
After that, you go to the covid 
year Indiana's, high-water, Mark

918
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:36,200
in the Big Ten that year I 
guess, was seven and seven. 

919
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,800
They beat Minnesota at home 
Wednesday, the 17th and then 

920
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,600
they lost their next five. 
Finished 7 and 12 and then lost 

921
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,000
in the Big Ten tournament in 
2020 there. 

922
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,300
That's like somebody who drowns 
is like the your high water mark

923
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:50,300
is right before. 
Well, your last Gap severe? 

924
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:53,600
But yeah. 
In 20 in 2020, their high water 

925
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,500
mark, they beat Michigan State 
at home. 

926
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,500
They were five and three. 
They finished that season in the

927
00:47:58,508 --> 00:48:02,300
Big 10 9 and 11 in 94 neuro 
after that high water. 

928
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,200
You know, in 2019 they were 3 
and 0. 

929
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,900
They beat Illinois at home in 
January 3rd and then they 

930
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:14,600
proceeded to lose, they 
proceeded to lose 11 of the 

931
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,200
excuse me, 12 of the next 13 and
they finished eight and 12 in 

932
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,900
conference play that year the 
previous year. 

933
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,400
They're high water mark, they 
were five and three. 

934
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:26,600
They beat Maryland at home 
January 22nd and then they 

935
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,700
finished Nine and Nine. 
Now you can do you want to argue

936
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:32,000
that their high water, mark was 
actually nine and seven fine. 

937
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,900
They lost their last two That 
season, you know, in creams last

938
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:39,500
year, their high water mark was 
Four and Twenty they finished 

939
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:44,000
7-Eleven, you know, that season.
So this is become unfair, and 

940
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,300
I'm sorry if this is depressing 
the listeners, but it's 

941
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:50,200
cathartic for me and I think, 
maybe for Scott this is, this is

942
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,600
Indiana. 
This is the DNA of Indiana. 

943
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,800
It is it and I it's it is again,
it's not one coach, it's not one

944
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,400
player, it's not one roster. 
This is the DNA of Indiana right

945
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,400
now. 
It is a program that loses a 

946
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,800
bunch of games in conference 
against better prepared, better 

947
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:12,600
coached higher effort, higher 
energy teams and what's yes 

948
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,100
Indiana's had injuries. 
Guess what a lot of other teams 

949
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,900
have injuries as a lot of other 
teams out there that lose 

950
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:24,900
starters and it is on the one 
hand, we try to be supportive, 

951
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,900
you know, as much as we can. 
But we also try to be realistic,

952
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,600
it's unreal. 
It's unreasonable to expect fans

953
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,100
or people like us that have to 
follow the games and try to come

954
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:37,800
up with comment on them to just 
be like, oh you know, we'll get 

955
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,100
them next time. 
That's that's not realistic. 

956
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:41,300
Like your yes. 
Certainly you're gonna have 

957
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:45,500
people do that but this happens 
year after year after year with 

958
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:49,100
all of this change over it's 
like what's the real problem? 

959
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,800
Why is this continuing to 
happen? 

960
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,500
Why, Why Can't This be 
addressed? 

961
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,600
And I don't think there's a good
answer. 

962
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,800
I know you don't have an answer.
I see people debating this all 

963
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,000
the time. 
I don't think that they have 

964
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,600
answers either, maybe it's all 
just one big coincidence, but it

965
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,600
makes it so that it's 
essentially not a very fun 

966
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,800
program to follow because, you 
know, you just you keep you keep

967
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,800
banging your head against the 
same roof over and over and over

968
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,200
again. 
And you keep getting told, oh, 

969
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,700
it's different this time and 
it's not and there's never any 

970
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:21,700
explanations given as to Oh, 
why? 

971
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,500
It's always going to be better 
next year until it's not. 

972
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:26,400
And then it's just well, we're 
gonna have to wait next year. 

973
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,300
This is essentially Cubs fandom 
in the 70s and 80s in basketball

974
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:34,500
form and it's certainly not what
people like to, like, claim 

975
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:37,800
Indiana, basketball is, but I 
got news for people, This is 

976
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,200
Indiana basketball. 
No, you're, you're right. 

977
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:45,800
Like, this is your right. 
And then, what, what concerns me

978
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,000
is again. 
I want Woodson to work. 

979
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,900
I like it but it's like, this is
a Herculean effort. 

980
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,300
This is something that's going 
to take a ton of work. 

981
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:56,500
Like you said, you probably got 
to tear this down to the studs 

982
00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:59,100
without going forward. 13 in the
Big Ten. 

983
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:01,600
It's like, find a way to change 
the everything that's been going

984
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,100
on. 
It's like is a guy who's, you 

985
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:07,000
know, in his mid-60s, have the 
effort and interest in doing 

986
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,000
that and doing a full system 
rebuild on the Fly. 

987
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,500
Is he able to not knowing it? 
It's white. 

988
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:15,200
Like, I mean, yeah. 
It's it's clear. 

989
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,000
It's clear. 
Yeah. 

990
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,700
It's clear. 
He's able to recruit players 

991
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:19,800
like jail and put your fee. 
No, that's good. 

992
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:24,600
But there's more to it than that
as we're seeing where it's like 

993
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,500
for this to work at any program.
It's like how have you 

994
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:31,300
constructed the collective will.
And and what I guess what, I'm 

995
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:34,500
getting irritated with Woodson 
about as inclined as I am to be 

996
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:37,100
supportive of them. 
It's every time this team loses,

997
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:40,600
its like, I just got to get 
these guys over the hump. 

998
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:44,100
What's the hump? 
Is the hump giving a crap about 

999
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:47,200
the game is the hump executing. 
What's I mean? 

1000
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,500
Tres Jackson Davis in the 
postgame press conference. 

1001
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:52,200
After this Northwest It was 
like, I thought coach had a good

1002
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,700
game plan and we didn't follow 
it. 

1003
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,200
Well, that's a real problem. 
Like that's that's your captain.

1004
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,600
That's a guy who's been there 
for five years saying, well, we 

1005
00:51:59,607 --> 00:52:01,900
didn't execute the game plan, 
the coaches gave us now, maybe 

1006
00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:05,300
the game plan wasn't great, but 
for a captain to come out and 

1007
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:08,700
say that, I mean, I admire Trace
Jackson Davis for coming out and

1008
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:11,900
saying that. 
But my God, like that's a real 

1009
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:14,300
issue. 
And so I don't know what the 

1010
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:17,100
answer is because it's not just 
about going out and picking up 

1011
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:19,900
some recruits which I think 
Woodson has done to his credit. 

1012
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:22,300
It's not just about Grabbing 
guys out of the portal which 

1013
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:26,100
he's done you, you know, I'm not
this isn't rocket science but 

1014
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:29,600
you got to like there has to be 
a collective energy and cohesion

1015
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,300
and you know, for all the people
that salivate over the program 

1016
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:35,300
that painters got at Purdue, 
that's what they salivate over. 

1017
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:38,000
I mean it's not, it's certainly 
not the final four appearances, 

1018
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,500
but it's but it's but it's this,
this Collective will that Purdue

1019
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:44,900
is able to demonstrate and yes, 
you're going to lose game. 

1020
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:47,200
You're Gonna Lose a home game to
Rutgers occasionally but you're 

1021
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,500
also going to win a game when 
your backs against the wall. 

1022
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:53,800
Ohio State, you know, you're 
funny, you mentioned Purdue and 

1023
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,300
I thought of the injuries. 
I just going through, you know 

1024
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:59,000
you always know. 
Just I remember just you know 

1025
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,100
the Hummel injury it's like oh 
God you know he could never stay

1026
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:05,400
healthy but it's like they still
never finished under 500 in the 

1027
00:53:05,408 --> 00:53:08,900
Big Ten, even the years that he 
was out for an ACL, the entire 

1028
00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:09,900
year. 
Like I know, I know they had a 

1029
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:12,200
really good team around him, but
I think that's the point here is

1030
00:53:12,207 --> 00:53:13,900
that show. 
Do we like, we still, you still 

1031
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:16,400
have an All-American on the 
court and Trace Jackson Davis, 

1032
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,100
who is playing it at all at all 
American level. 

1033
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:21,700
Like you have a freshman who's 
playing I'm at the highest 

1034
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:24,000
level. 
I've seen a freshman play. 

1035
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:26,400
She's probably Eric Court. 
Well, I'm like in the last three

1036
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,600
games, like he's at the highest.
It's just like and it's not an 

1037
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,600
in have those pieces there and 
it's not an NBA thing, Juwan 

1038
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,600
Howard, and his four years, you 
know, the his first year, they 

1039
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,300
would have been a succeed. 
If there had been a tournament 

1040
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:38,300
as second year, they went to the
elite eight and we're a one 

1041
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:39,900
seed. 
In this third year, they were in

1042
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:41,800
11c that made it to the Sweet 
16. 

1043
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,700
I mean, it's like it's again 
another program where you look 

1044
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:48,200
at them and it's like you know, 
there's some collective will 

1045
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:50,600
there, there's there, you know, 
and I mean, Michigan wasn't 

1046
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:51,200
great. 
Sure. 

1047
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,200
But hey. 
Guess what they did? 

1048
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,100
They finished over. 500 in the 
Big Ten. 

1049
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,200
Yeah. 
So I mean they beat us in some 

1050
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,500
hell yeah. 
And we beat them in the big in 

1051
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:03,100
the Big Ten tournament and then 
watch them go to the Sweet 16 

1052
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:07,000
and then beat a Tennessee team. 
That was better than they were 

1053
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,700
and I mean, it's again and I'm 
just using them as an example. 

1054
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:14,100
You could point that example at 
with a bunch of other teams as 

1055
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:16,100
well. 
I am fascinated. 

1056
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,700
Always the the intellectual part
of me is like why is it why is 

1057
00:54:19,700 --> 00:54:22,900
it become that? 
In Indiana is essentially the 

1058
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:25,100
team we all laughed at 25 years 
ago. 

1059
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:30,700
It's wild but that's where they 
are at and until something 

1060
00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:33,900
changes and I thought that this 
year from the evidence of the 

1061
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:37,800
first month it's like finally 
we're on this pathway right back

1062
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,800
to where Indiana was last year 
and the year before, and the 

1063
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,400
year before, and the year 
before, and the year before it 

1064
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,200
is funny to think. 
I don't know this happen but 

1065
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:47,800
just hear me out. 
It's filled. 

1066
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,800
It did seem to change so much 
after the North Carolina. 

1067
00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:54,000
It'd be funny if you're like, 
you know, Scot Olson on, you 

1068
00:54:54,008 --> 00:54:56,900
know, after that game is a guy. 
I'm just gonna take a month-long

1069
00:54:56,900 --> 00:54:59,200
Cruise, like, I know, I got a 
Tom, Tom Allen problem, but 

1070
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,400
like, I'm just gonna take a 
cruise, but come back and like, 

1071
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,000
we're just gonna, you know, get 
my head right. 

1072
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,800
Cuz I gotta deal with this Tom 
Allen thing in the next two 

1073
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,000
years and like, but everything 
else is going to be a basket. 

1074
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,500
Everything else is good, you 
come back. 

1075
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:11,600
And it's like well there's three
alarm fires everywhere. 

1076
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,700
It's like like, Mike, Mike and 
use you to keep stuff together, 

1077
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:20,200
like, I can't deal with both of 
you, my programs needing 

1078
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:24,600
Possible Cochise has to say 
we're like, can one of you be 

1079
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,600
the good kid like please. 
I need one of you to be the 

1080
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,500
good. 
It's just it's just, you know, 

1081
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:31,600
it's disappointing because I 
know I and I look I know 

1082
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,000
everybody on the program was 
really excited about this year 

1083
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,600
and, you know, I'm the fan base 
was certainly excited about this

1084
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,100
year. 
You know, interest is it was 

1085
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:41,900
through the roof and I've yet to
hear any good explanations as to

1086
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:45,200
why things have gone off the 
rails because I just don't buy 

1087
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,400
that. 
The injury situation is that 

1088
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,500
severe. 
Because again it's like teams 

1089
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:53,700
deal. 
This stuff, you know, it's not 

1090
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,600
it's not helpful, but it does, 
it does shouldn't like, result 

1091
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:02,200
in what we've seen and that, you
know, maybe it turns around like

1092
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,900
you said, and hopefully they're 
they beat Penn State on the road

1093
00:56:04,900 --> 00:56:08,200
and that starts a. 
Yeah, but I mean, I just I'll 

1094
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:12,700
say this like, Rutgers is really
good and, but like Iowa went 

1095
00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:16,400
into Rutgers and one, there's 
like that and we lost at Rutgers

1096
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,300
back when we had raised Thompson
Xavier John Suite of jail his 

1097
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:21,600
feet. 
Oh, it's like We had most of the

1098
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,000
team they're like and we still 
got not only lost. 

1099
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,800
We've got like just demolished 
at Rutgers. 

1100
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:29,900
Yeah. 
And it can be done and you know 

1101
00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:33,600
we had. 
Yeah so I'm you know we anyway. 

1102
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,500
Yeah. 
So then not a whole lot else to 

1103
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:38,000
say we've probably talked too 
much anyway at this gas but 

1104
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,100
anyway, we'll be back. 
Will, you know, obviously I you 

1105
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:44,200
plays at Penn State Fast and 
Furious. 

1106
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:45,400
I mean, like now it's like your 
help. 

1107
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,100
You know, you're in it, you've 
got, you've got, you've got Penn

1108
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:52,400
State coming up on Wednesday, 
you At Wisconsin, at home on 

1109
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,600
Saturday, you're at Illinois on 
Thursday, you got Michigan State

1110
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,100
at home on Sunday, and then you 
get a little bit of a break, 

1111
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:01,500
kind of going to the barn and 
playing a pretty hapless 

1112
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:05,000
Minnesota team, but then you got
to come right back and you got 

1113
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,300
Ohio State at home. 
You're at Maryland, you got 

1114
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:08,900
Purdue at home and you got 
Rutgers at home. 

1115
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:12,800
Like that is, you want to talk 
about the potential for things 

1116
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,700
to, you know, go off the rails 
over the cliff and into the 

1117
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:20,200
ocean. 
This is when it will happen. 

1118
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,100
If it's Going to happen and that
should be really concerning and 

1119
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:28,900
I think I guess the if there's a
there's a main theme of this 

1120
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:31,800
podcast this episode of the 
podcast. 

1121
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,800
It's that if this team plays 
like they did against Kennesaw 

1122
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,100
State Iowa and Northwestern 
against that slate of opponents,

1123
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:43,300
they're going to be like one in 
seven in that stretch. 

1124
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,500
And, you know, we're just 
talking about this on Saturday, 

1125
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:48,600
where it's like, well, you know,
the Northwestern the right, the 

1126
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,900
ship and if they can go 500 in 
this, Maybe that's a win. 

1127
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:56,900
Now you're really talking about 
this is where you could be 11 

1128
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,400
and 11 during at the end of this
stretch, you do for your overall

1129
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,200
record and I hope it doesn't 
happen and I hope that some 

1130
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,800
stuff gets figured out between 
now and when the team gets on 

1131
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,600
the court in State College in a 
couple of days so we'll see what

1132
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,500
happens. 
Yeah, anyway on that jury. 

1133
00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:17,200
No, we're done. 
Thanks to our friends at home. 

1134
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,500
Feel the barrel and the rest of 
the back home network. 

1135
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:22,100
Thanks to you Scott. 
Thanks to my wife. 

1136
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:25,100
I blew off cooking some pasta 
tonight, so hopefully I get 

1137
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:26,900
forgiven and get a chance to 
eat. 

1138
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:30,000
We'll catch you. 
Folks on the flip side, be sure 

1139
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,700
to tune into the women's 
basketball show with Amanda 

1140
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:34,500
Foster. 
That'll drop on Tuesday. 

1141
00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:38,000
I said, we'll catch you on the 
flip side, I'll say it again. 

1142
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:22,100
Bring back the Bison, so 
everybody, Thanks to my wife. 

1143
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:25,100
I blew off cooking some pasta 
tonight, so hopefully I get 

1144
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:26,900
forgiven and get a chance to 
eat. 

1145
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:30,000
We'll catch you. 
Folks on the flip side, be sure 

1146
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,700
to tune into the women's 
basketball show with Amanda 

1147
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:34,500
Foster. 
That'll drop on Tuesday. 

1148
00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:38,000
I said, we'll catch you on the 
flip side, I'll say it again. 

1149
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,500
Bring back the Bison, so 
everybody,