1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,880 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:20,440 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,960 Galen Clavio, Scott Caulfield joining you once again. 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,960 It's the penultimate day of August. 5 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,120 Recording this the night of August 30th, You may be 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,800 listening to it on August 31st. Hard to believe the month went 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,040 by so quickly, although they always seem to and we are now on 8 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,280 the doorstep of I U Football's season opener. 9 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,880 As that's coming up on Saturday, we're going to talk a little bit 10 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,400 about the game but more about the the season. 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,440 We've done a bunch of preview episodes. 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,640 We never let you folks down. We we always try to talk to a 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,400 lot of interesting people about their thoughts on I U, football 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:57,950 and. Having heard from all those 15 00:00:57,950 --> 00:01:00,830 folks, we will give our final thoughts as we head into the 16 00:01:00,830 --> 00:01:03,150 season. Scott, good to see you and talk 17 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:04,190 to you again. How you doing? 18 00:01:04,510 --> 00:01:06,430 It's great to be back again. Good to see you again. 19 00:01:06,670 --> 00:01:09,270 Well, you know, we each kind of we did our own, we did our own 20 00:01:09,270 --> 00:01:10,790 path. We we come back together. 21 00:01:10,830 --> 00:01:12,990 That's right. We're we're like the East and 22 00:01:12,990 --> 00:01:16,230 West Forks of the White River. 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It costs you nothing and you 119 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:13,380 will no longer have to go to Twitter slash X to find episodes 120 00:06:13,380 --> 00:06:16,020 of the the podcast. So Scott, exciting times. 121 00:06:16,020 --> 00:06:19,020 We're looking forward to to that new venture and the podcasts are 122 00:06:19,020 --> 00:06:21,460 still going to be on, you know, Apple Podcasts and Spotify. 123 00:06:21,460 --> 00:06:24,750 And you know, but I would say this is, you know, hey, do this 124 00:06:24,750 --> 00:06:27,390 or we're going to threads. So like if you don't want to go 125 00:06:27,390 --> 00:06:29,350 on Threads or, you know, we tried Myspace. 126 00:06:29,350 --> 00:06:31,390 That wasn't there. It doesn't work. 127 00:06:31,390 --> 00:06:35,270 No, it's I, I I liked it. I mean I you kind of set this up 128 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:36,870 and all of a sudden like I I had an e-mail. 129 00:06:36,870 --> 00:06:39,550 So we had a pet. We had a Crimson Castle go to 130 00:06:39,550 --> 00:06:40,630 Spotify and listen to, it's great. 131 00:06:40,630 --> 00:06:42,190 No. I Scott was surprised that there 132 00:06:42,190 --> 00:06:43,950 were episodes. He's like, wait, you do stuff 133 00:06:43,950 --> 00:06:45,270 without me? What's going on now? 134 00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:48,310 So kidding. How long has this been going on, 135 00:06:51,070 --> 00:06:52,790 I wonder? We never did our Kelvin. 136 00:06:52,790 --> 00:06:54,150 Sampson recap. That's right. 137 00:06:54,190 --> 00:06:56,270 Yes. Wow. 138 00:06:56,550 --> 00:06:58,710 All right, so we got to dive into it. 139 00:06:58,710 --> 00:07:01,830 I U Football. We are on the eve of the season. 140 00:07:01,830 --> 00:07:04,070 By the time most of you listen to this, it's going to be. 141 00:07:04,540 --> 00:07:07,620 Either Thursday or maybe Friday, or maybe you're listening to it 142 00:07:07,620 --> 00:07:09,820 on the way down to the game. There's still time. 143 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:11,260 You can turn around. Like if you're listening to the 144 00:07:11,260 --> 00:07:14,260 way down, you can turn around. No, a lot of great balls you can 145 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:15,540 go to Nick. There's great. 146 00:07:15,540 --> 00:07:17,180 It'll be great times. The weather's going to be 147 00:07:17,180 --> 00:07:20,580 awesome this weekend and people will enjoy the company of each 148 00:07:20,580 --> 00:07:22,220 other and that's the important thing. 149 00:07:22,460 --> 00:07:27,820 But no, I U Football, it's here. And I mean. 150 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,520 We don't know. We kind of know what to expect, 151 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,520 but we don't know exactly what to expect. 152 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,200 If you listen to the podcast that I did with Teddy Bailey 153 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,280 yesterday, you probably picked up on some of that. 154 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,280 You know, if you listened, go back and listen to Scott's 155 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,120 conversation with Ken Bikoff. That was really a a good show. 156 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,960 And then Ken always brings a a really fascinating perspective. 157 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,400 IS is a guy who's covered the team for a really long time. 158 00:07:55,810 --> 00:07:58,370 Yo, Scott, one of the things that we wanted to talk about, 159 00:07:58,370 --> 00:08:00,210 you wanted to bring up specifically was something that 160 00:08:00,210 --> 00:08:02,650 we talked about a bit on the episode yesterday with Teddy, 161 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:08,650 which is the lack of of of a lot to go off of if you're an I U 162 00:08:08,650 --> 00:08:11,770 fan trying to get pumped up going into the season. 163 00:08:12,170 --> 00:08:15,210 It's interesting because we talk about this every year. 164 00:08:16,050 --> 00:08:19,650 We do these episodes. We look at the the depth chart 165 00:08:20,290 --> 00:08:22,490 back in the days when we had a depth chart. 166 00:08:22,490 --> 00:08:24,250 You know, the back in the olden days. 167 00:08:24,930 --> 00:08:27,890 You know we look at the schedule, we we look at players. 168 00:08:27,890 --> 00:08:31,690 We hear players getting talked up and practice and we talk 169 00:08:31,690 --> 00:08:35,970 ourselves normally into a better record than Indiana really has a 170 00:08:36,090 --> 00:08:38,169 a shot at getting. You know we always tend to talk 171 00:08:38,169 --> 00:08:42,650 ourselves two or three wins above the norm and most of the 172 00:08:42,650 --> 00:08:45,330 time it burns us. It didn't in 2019 but but it 173 00:08:45,330 --> 00:08:46,930 burned us in pretty much every other year. 174 00:08:48,450 --> 00:08:51,450 I I haven't gone that way this offseason. 175 00:08:51,490 --> 00:08:53,490 Like, if if anything, I think I've actually gotten. 176 00:08:53,780 --> 00:08:57,140 More skeptical and more pessimistic as the month has 177 00:08:57,140 --> 00:09:00,500 gone along and that's never happened before and and this is 178 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:02,900 this precedes Tom Allen. This goes back to Kevin Wilson. 179 00:09:02,900 --> 00:09:05,180 It goes back to, you know, Bill Lynch. 180 00:09:05,860 --> 00:09:08,940 But there's been something about this preseason that is really 181 00:09:08,940 --> 00:09:12,470 felt. Frankly, dispiriting in terms of 182 00:09:12,470 --> 00:09:16,190 enthusiasm for this football program and where things are 183 00:09:16,190 --> 00:09:18,750 going right now and a lot of it is just a complete lack of of 184 00:09:18,750 --> 00:09:22,590 any concrete information about what we should be expecting when 185 00:09:22,590 --> 00:09:26,150 the snap happens at 3:30 on sundown Saturday this upcoming 186 00:09:26,150 --> 00:09:28,070 weekend. No, I've been thinking about 187 00:09:28,070 --> 00:09:30,190 this a lot since you've you've brought it up. 188 00:09:30,190 --> 00:09:34,110 You did a little short video on this on the sub stack and then 189 00:09:34,110 --> 00:09:36,550 you obviously you know with that with Teddy, the deeper 190 00:09:36,550 --> 00:09:38,430 conversation. I've been thinking about it and 191 00:09:38,430 --> 00:09:41,370 it's, I have kind of like a three pronged approach on my 192 00:09:41,370 --> 00:09:44,210 thoughts of this. But the the first one is you're 193 00:09:44,210 --> 00:09:46,490 100% right. I'm in the same boat. 194 00:09:46,810 --> 00:09:49,010 You don't feel any. I mean Ohio State's coming to 195 00:09:49,010 --> 00:09:52,890 town and like there's no buzz. It's a 330 game on CBSI don't 196 00:09:52,890 --> 00:09:54,210 feel like anyone's talking about it. 197 00:09:54,210 --> 00:09:58,250 And here's the really frustrating part is it'd be one 198 00:09:58,250 --> 00:10:00,490 thing if it was just a normal year and it's like, all right, 199 00:10:00,490 --> 00:10:02,290 we're not sure if I use going to be good or bad. 200 00:10:02,330 --> 00:10:06,800 But like you you you've touched on this a little bit. 201 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,440 But I I will just hit this hammer hard on the nail. 202 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:12,520 Hit the nail hard with the hammer is that they had the 203 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:17,600 perfect opportunity in that I U Basketball is very popular from 204 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,280 what I understand as an I U fan, one of the biggest players we've 205 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,560 had in the last 1015 years just graduated in Trace. 206 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:29,880 Jackson Davis his effing brother is possibly a quarterback for 207 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,700 this football team and it's not like he's a walk on. 208 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:34,740 He was a highly recreated quarterback. 209 00:10:34,740 --> 00:10:35,700 I mean, he hasn't thrown a bunch. 210 00:10:35,940 --> 00:10:36,900 We don't know anything about him. 211 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:40,100 But it's not like he's, you know, all flash like he was a 212 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:43,340 highly rated recruit. He's traced Jackson, Davis's 213 00:10:43,340 --> 00:10:47,540 brother and it sounds like there's a bit of a, you know 214 00:10:47,660 --> 00:10:50,940 struggle for who the starter is. You know it's not like they're 215 00:10:50,940 --> 00:10:53,060 they're. Anyway, all saying is like just 216 00:10:53,060 --> 00:10:55,340 name him the starter. Like, give him a shot. 217 00:10:55,340 --> 00:11:00,120 Like, just imagine the buzz of of of having Trace Jackson, 218 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,240 Davis's brother, as the starting quarterback. 219 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,960 This would be like, in 1988. It's like, hey, guess who the 220 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,960 starting quarterback is? Like, it's, it's Steve Alford's 221 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,760 brother. Like, really, Like Steve Alford 222 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,840 has a brother. And like Calvert Chaney, I mean, 223 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,800 like you and I were at school and when Antoine Randle, out 224 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,200 going the other way, played basketball and he was like, in 225 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:21,360 the three-point contest for the team that year in the preseason, 226 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,160 like it was kind of a buzzer on campus. 227 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,680 Like, I've not seen articles about, you know, how's Trace 228 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:28,230 going to watch the gate. Like to me it's like it is a 229 00:11:28,310 --> 00:11:32,870 massively wasted opportunity that they had at their at their 230 00:11:32,870 --> 00:11:35,630 hands and they just didn't do anything with it. 231 00:11:35,630 --> 00:11:38,350 And when you're going into a season where Jackson's probably 232 00:11:38,350 --> 00:11:40,230 going to play some quarterback, he's going to be, he was going 233 00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:42,790 to play some. Even if Soresby is ends up being 234 00:11:42,790 --> 00:11:45,750 the starting quarterback, come, you know, Saturday afternoon, I 235 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:48,150 just look at this as like this is a massively wasted 236 00:11:48,150 --> 00:11:50,310 opportunity. I have one other take on this. 237 00:11:50,310 --> 00:11:52,190 I'm going to take a breath and let you respond. 238 00:11:52,310 --> 00:11:54,950 Thanks. It is interesting because there 239 00:11:54,950 --> 00:11:59,950 was so much buzz. About Taven Jackson being, you 240 00:11:59,950 --> 00:12:05,750 know, recruited essentially as a transfer by Tom Allen and the IT 241 00:12:05,750 --> 00:12:08,710 is, it's odd. I mean I you went out and got 242 00:12:09,150 --> 00:12:12,030 Taven Jackson. They specifically wanted him to 243 00:12:12,030 --> 00:12:14,470 come here. It was a big news story when it 244 00:12:14,470 --> 00:12:15,830 happened. Not just because of the 245 00:12:15,830 --> 00:12:17,790 relationship with Trace Jackson Davis. 246 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:23,030 If he is not the starter, then you have to question. 247 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,840 What the evaluation process was like to go out and get the guy 248 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,280 because for as much hullabaloo has happened it's going to be 249 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:35,520 really weird if he isn't starting and you know if he's a 250 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,160 an afterthought. I guess on the depth chart like 251 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,160 that's it's it's it's it'd be an odd circumstance if he is 252 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,640 starting 100% agree with you that to. 253 00:12:46,290 --> 00:12:48,130 You know in the name of like, oh, we're going to have a 254 00:12:48,130 --> 00:12:51,810 competition you know to not at some point to build some buzz 255 00:12:51,810 --> 00:12:55,050 behind the team say this is the guy that's going to be under 256 00:12:55,050 --> 00:12:58,090 center and to wait until the start of the of the game because 257 00:12:58,090 --> 00:12:59,850 you think it's going to give you some kind of hypothetical 258 00:12:59,970 --> 00:13:03,690 strategic advantage. Author's note it it will not. 259 00:13:04,210 --> 00:13:06,570 No. But you have to, you have to 260 00:13:06,570 --> 00:13:10,130 think a little bit, you know, on the it's interesting like on the 261 00:13:10,130 --> 00:13:13,850 one hand. We hear a lot about how I U 262 00:13:13,850 --> 00:13:17,410 Football fans are, you know, they're they're fair weather or 263 00:13:17,410 --> 00:13:21,850 they don't exist, or they're mercurial or, you know, they 264 00:13:21,850 --> 00:13:25,410 leave early. And look, that all those things 265 00:13:25,410 --> 00:13:29,210 might be true to an extent. But one of the reasons why those 266 00:13:29,210 --> 00:13:32,760 things are true is that. And we've talked about this on 267 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,120 the show a lot, historically. Historically, I U has not given 268 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,640 its football fans much of a reason to be football fans, and 269 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,520 it hasn't given them much of a reason to get hyped up around 270 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,320 seasons. It hasn't given them much. 271 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,880 It when it has gotten them hyped up around seasons, it hasn't 272 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,640 delivered a whole lot. And what really bothers me right 273 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:57,520 now is that the most important position in football is 274 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,770 quarterback and. Regardless of the direction that 275 00:14:01,770 --> 00:14:05,290 you're going, I I just it's both of these guys are basically 276 00:14:05,290 --> 00:14:08,330 starting from Ground Zero. Like the idea that you're going 277 00:14:08,330 --> 00:14:11,890 to get an extra 5% out of 1 over the other and that's going to 278 00:14:11,930 --> 00:14:13,970 matter at all. It's probably not. 279 00:14:14,130 --> 00:14:17,210 Both of these quarterbacks are starting at the lowest level 280 00:14:17,210 --> 00:14:19,570 that you can start at as a Big 10 starter. 281 00:14:19,570 --> 00:14:21,250 They've never started games before. 282 00:14:21,410 --> 00:14:23,250 They've barely thrown passes before. 283 00:14:23,660 --> 00:14:27,140 You, you know, you've almost overbuilt the expectation for 284 00:14:27,140 --> 00:14:30,460 whoever does get the starting job by doing it this way. 285 00:14:30,940 --> 00:14:33,380 Because if that person goes out and struggles, as they are 286 00:14:33,380 --> 00:14:37,340 almost certain to do against Ohio State, and in the early 287 00:14:37,340 --> 00:14:40,260 part of the season, it's going to be like, wow, how much did 288 00:14:40,260 --> 00:14:43,180 the other guy suck that he didn't get the job. 289 00:14:43,180 --> 00:14:45,820 And that's unfair for a variety of reasons. 290 00:14:45,820 --> 00:14:50,340 So, you know, it's not just the lack of of excitement. 291 00:14:50,670 --> 00:14:53,030 Around the quarterback or around the roster, because we've been 292 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:55,430 told so little. But it's also almost like, to 293 00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:58,510 some degree you've set people up to fail in the way that you've 294 00:14:58,510 --> 00:15:01,550 handled things. And that is really unfortunate. 295 00:15:01,550 --> 00:15:04,310 And it kind of feeds into this larger issue of the narrative of 296 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:06,710 the program and whatever it happens to be at this point. 297 00:15:06,830 --> 00:15:09,590 It's not good. The other thing with this 298 00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:12,450 program, I agree. I mean, I would even say even if 299 00:15:12,450 --> 00:15:14,450 it's if it's pretty much a dead heat, just name Jackson your 300 00:15:14,450 --> 00:15:16,650 starter. Just I think on one of your pods 301 00:15:16,650 --> 00:15:19,090 someone had the line or maybe it was you of like, you know, I U 302 00:15:19,090 --> 00:15:21,690 doesn't really judge, you know, success in winning and losing 303 00:15:21,690 --> 00:15:22,970 anymore. So it's like, which is kind of 304 00:15:22,970 --> 00:15:24,930 true. So it's like just do this to get 305 00:15:24,930 --> 00:15:27,810 buzz, like if that helps sell it out, like if you get two games 306 00:15:27,810 --> 00:15:31,010 sold out because you're seeing, you know, Jackson's brother out 307 00:15:31,010 --> 00:15:32,970 there, do it. Here's the other So I started 308 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:36,610 thinking about this more is I went back through my timeline to 309 00:15:36,610 --> 00:15:41,410 find this to to find these pictures in the spring of 2015 310 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,600 because listening to you talk to Teddy about how there's like no 311 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,720 spring game and you know there's no info from the team in the 312 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,040 spring of 2019, they had a varsity club donors of which I 313 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,600 am. I've been a varsity club donor 314 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,440 like the Hoosier athlete level for a while. 315 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:59,760 So humble brag for me. But is that something to brag 316 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,040 about Scott? I mean, no it's not. 317 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,680 It really isn't, they. They invited, you know, Varsity 318 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,440 club members down and it was a great day. 319 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,440 It was a spring day. They had a cookout in like the 320 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,960 Knothole Park area. This is before the the the 321 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,960 stadium was completely had a cookout in the Knothole Park 322 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,400 area. Everyone could walk the field. 323 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,320 They had like receivers. You could like throw to 324 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,880 receivers. I got a picture taken with my 325 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,000 wife and my young. My son is now 10. 326 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,000 He's like 2 at the time in front of Heps Rock. 327 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,680 You were walking all over the tours of the new workout 328 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,930 facility and I thought about it. They've never done that since 329 00:16:34,010 --> 00:16:35,610 that they've never. What year was that? 330 00:16:36,170 --> 00:16:39,290 2015, OK. Or maybe they did it in 2016, 331 00:16:39,290 --> 00:16:40,690 like it. And now I understood. 332 00:16:41,010 --> 00:16:44,050 I'm fully aware of Kovat. Like I do realize there was 2 333 00:16:44,050 --> 00:16:50,130 odd years there but you know it used to what made I U football 334 00:16:50,410 --> 00:16:53,210 kind of fun and you and I used to joke about this is I'd be 335 00:16:53,210 --> 00:16:55,810 like I'm going to you know early on the 2010 eleven twelve. 336 00:16:55,810 --> 00:16:58,050 I moved back to Indiana and I'm like I'm going to get I U 337 00:16:58,050 --> 00:17:00,050 football tickets You're like just get tickets for a real 338 00:17:00,050 --> 00:17:02,090 program like why are you doing this And I'm like well the value 339 00:17:02,090 --> 00:17:03,210 like it's it doesn't cost that much. 340 00:17:03,210 --> 00:17:06,170 It's a fun experience Like it's OK it's it's almost like and I I 341 00:17:06,369 --> 00:17:07,930 there's no better way to say it's almost like going to a 342 00:17:07,930 --> 00:17:10,210 minor League Baseball game like you have like you have access 343 00:17:10,210 --> 00:17:11,609 you can get on the field like all this stuff. 344 00:17:13,130 --> 00:17:16,569 What I don't like is like all of that's gone and it's like the 345 00:17:16,650 --> 00:17:20,410 the the first time we sniffed being somewhat good, like we had 346 00:17:20,410 --> 00:17:23,650 the 2019 we had the 2020 season, we got some success. 347 00:17:24,010 --> 00:17:28,329 It's like all of a sudden we're just snap right into big time 348 00:17:28,329 --> 00:17:31,810 program like we're taking the big 10 patch off no access for 349 00:17:31,810 --> 00:17:33,170 fans. Like we're not telling you 350 00:17:33,170 --> 00:17:34,850 starters we're doing Nick Saban stuff. 351 00:17:35,650 --> 00:17:39,210 It's a bad look and then I was thinking about this too, you 352 00:17:39,210 --> 00:17:42,080 know, because the another, you know, NIO group, the Hoosier 353 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,680 Hysterics just had their event at Assembly Hall for basketball. 354 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,280 It's completely separate thing. But like they have a, you know, 355 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,240 they weren't allowed to have athletes this year but they 356 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,440 haven't evented Assembly Hall. But they did have the the 357 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,760 players are signing autographs and people are on the court 358 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,000 playing. And I thought, like, Galen, if I 359 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,960 would have told you when we were in college, you know, hey, in 25 360 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,680 years it's going to be a lot easier to have access to 361 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,160 Assembly Hall, the Memorial Stadium. 362 00:18:07,580 --> 00:18:10,700 You would say, oh God, so I you footballs won like, what, three 363 00:18:10,700 --> 00:18:12,860 Big 10 titles and like a national championship. 364 00:18:12,860 --> 00:18:15,020 But like, no, no, we still suck in football. 365 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:19,770 But it's like, it's weird that, you know, basketball has this 366 00:18:19,770 --> 00:18:22,210 energy and they're they're allowing fans to get in and it's 367 00:18:22,210 --> 00:18:24,290 like on. And then it's like football's, 368 00:18:24,370 --> 00:18:26,730 you know, Allen's complaining there's no NIL dollars, there's 369 00:18:26,730 --> 00:18:28,490 no NIL support. It's like, well, you've locked 370 00:18:28,530 --> 00:18:31,930 everything off. Like as a donor, when's my event 371 00:18:31,930 --> 00:18:33,930 to go on the field to see the fans? 372 00:18:33,930 --> 00:18:36,730 Like, this is not a, this is not Michigan, it's not Ohio State, 373 00:18:36,850 --> 00:18:39,250 it's not Penn State. So it's just the dichotomy of 374 00:18:39,250 --> 00:18:42,490 that versus basketball and just thinking back to how football 375 00:18:42,490 --> 00:18:44,370 used to kind of have this kind of fun. 376 00:18:44,530 --> 00:18:48,010 You know, we appreciate the fans who really stuck through now. 377 00:18:48,170 --> 00:18:52,290 That's like being a fan of a high level college football 378 00:18:52,290 --> 00:18:54,650 team, but none of the success to go with it. 379 00:18:55,770 --> 00:18:59,450 And I don't want to get too deep into the larger programmatic 380 00:18:59,450 --> 00:19:02,170 things, but it isn't. It's a, it's a table center. 381 00:19:02,170 --> 00:19:04,650 Like why are we starting off the final preview pod with this? 382 00:19:04,650 --> 00:19:08,010 And it's frankly because, look, when we podded about almost a 383 00:19:08,010 --> 00:19:11,490 month ago, I think it was actually like July 31st or 384 00:19:11,490 --> 00:19:14,530 something like that, that we recorded the the first podcast 385 00:19:14,530 --> 00:19:17,770 about football. I was legitimately interested. 386 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:21,620 In what Indiana was planning on doing and and I assumed that is 387 00:19:21,620 --> 00:19:25,020 the the the month went along we were going to hear more things. 388 00:19:25,020 --> 00:19:27,460 We were going to hear about what I U was really going to do on 389 00:19:27,460 --> 00:19:28,700 offense. We were going to hear about who 390 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:31,980 was going to be you know the the focal points. 391 00:19:31,980 --> 00:19:34,060 We're going to hear more about how the defense was going to set 392 00:19:34,060 --> 00:19:35,500 up. We were going to kicker. 393 00:19:35,540 --> 00:19:38,100 We were going to, well, that. But. 394 00:19:38,180 --> 00:19:40,980 But what we've gotten instead is a lot of vagaries. 395 00:19:40,980 --> 00:19:45,220 We've gotten a lot of of unanswered questions, sometimes 396 00:19:45,220 --> 00:19:49,610 unasked questions. And it's frustrating because 397 00:19:49,610 --> 00:19:53,250 look from from, you know we're going to follow why you football 398 00:19:53,250 --> 00:19:56,250 here Crimson cast regardless that's that's what we do. 399 00:19:57,970 --> 00:20:02,330 But you know in the on the one hand you want to have a program 400 00:20:02,330 --> 00:20:04,690 that people are interested in want to pay attention to. 401 00:20:04,690 --> 00:20:08,010 On the other hand, it almost feels, as you said, like 402 00:20:08,530 --> 00:20:11,370 everything has been locked behind this wall. 403 00:20:11,850 --> 00:20:15,010 At for no other reason than things have gotten uncomfortable 404 00:20:15,010 --> 00:20:17,330 the last couple of years and it's almost like instead of 405 00:20:17,330 --> 00:20:21,010 steering into that and saying look we are there's a there's a 406 00:20:21,010 --> 00:20:23,570 level of humility we need to have if we want people to show 407 00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:25,290 up. Like we we got people to show up 408 00:20:25,290 --> 00:20:30,850 in 2021 on the promise of a a team that was ranked on the 409 00:20:30,850 --> 00:20:32,890 promise of the winds that happened the previous year. 410 00:20:33,170 --> 00:20:39,410 And those people were not given something that was entertaining 411 00:20:39,730 --> 00:20:44,850 or fun or galvanizing when they were in Memorial Stadium. 412 00:20:44,850 --> 00:20:47,610 And then essentially the same thing happened last year. 413 00:20:48,130 --> 00:20:51,170 You know, so I while I understand kind of on its face 414 00:20:51,170 --> 00:20:56,210 why there's such secrecy, this program can't afford to keep 415 00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:59,050 fans guessing. In my opinion, it does have an 416 00:20:59,050 --> 00:21:01,970 impact on whether people are interested in what's going on. 417 00:21:01,970 --> 00:21:06,740 It's we talk about this a lot and I think you know so much in 418 00:21:06,740 --> 00:21:09,580 college sports and I U is not limited. 419 00:21:09,660 --> 00:21:11,340 They're not the only ones where this happens. 420 00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:15,180 So much in college sports historically has been centered 421 00:21:15,180 --> 00:21:18,700 around the coaches and the personality of the coach and 422 00:21:18,700 --> 00:21:22,740 that is absolutely how Indiana has chosen to conduct its 423 00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:25,540 football program. Since Tom Allen became the head 424 00:21:25,540 --> 00:21:27,180 coach, he has been the focal point. 425 00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:30,660 You you know you would you I I guess you're supposed to go to 426 00:21:30,660 --> 00:21:34,420 games and follow the team and be a fan because of Tom Allen. 427 00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:37,550 Because we see more of Tom Allen than we see if any of the 428 00:21:37,550 --> 00:21:42,590 players we we see him talking constantly about this or that. 429 00:21:42,590 --> 00:21:44,830 Even though it doesn't really say very much about the team. 430 00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:50,710 And that can work if you're winning a lot of games and 431 00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:53,430 you're doing it across multiple editions of the team. 432 00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:58,590 But that hasn't been the case. And so in an era where NIL and 433 00:21:58,590 --> 00:22:03,930 player focus is by far the most important thing for most 434 00:22:03,930 --> 00:22:06,330 programs, not the least of which is because you have to find 435 00:22:06,330 --> 00:22:09,370 money to pay players, it's just a really weird approach. 436 00:22:09,370 --> 00:22:13,610 And especially this, this particular year, which is a 437 00:22:13,610 --> 00:22:17,210 pivotal year, not just in terms of the perception of Tom Allen 438 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:20,210 as a football coach at Indiana, but the perception of I, U 439 00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:23,570 football at a time when the entire business of college 440 00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:26,490 sports is changing. To go into the season with this 441 00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:30,330 many unanswered questions, with this much secrecy around a 442 00:22:30,330 --> 00:22:33,250 program that's won six games in two years, is just hard to get 443 00:22:33,250 --> 00:22:36,170 my head wrapped around it. And and and again I understand, 444 00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:38,850 I understand some of the philosophy behind it, but I 445 00:22:38,850 --> 00:22:41,130 don't agree with it. And I think that, you know, my 446 00:22:41,130 --> 00:22:44,090 worry is as someone who wants people to follow I U Football. 447 00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:46,810 Once people in the stadium, once people paying attention and 448 00:22:46,810 --> 00:22:50,530 taking it seriously week after week and holding the program to 449 00:22:50,530 --> 00:22:52,970 a certain level of accountability, this almost does 450 00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:54,490 the opposite of all those things. 451 00:22:55,340 --> 00:22:58,820 To completely agree. So, you know, so, so go ahead, 452 00:22:58,820 --> 00:23:01,140 yes. No, let's let's move on to like 453 00:23:01,140 --> 00:23:03,900 this season like we'll we'll go a little more micro and get out 454 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:06,060 of the macro because I can I can talk about that forever and 455 00:23:06,060 --> 00:23:07,580 maybe we can save that. We'll have, I think we'll have 456 00:23:07,580 --> 00:23:09,540 time this season to kind of get existential. 457 00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:12,060 So let's let's look at this season specifically. 458 00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:15,140 So, so let's talk. I mean so you know at this point 459 00:23:15,380 --> 00:23:19,780 from we, we there's not a lot to say about the roster, about the 460 00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:22,380 roster and the depth chart because we don't totally know. 461 00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:24,020 We've heard a lot of names thrown out. 462 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:26,840 We've on both sides. Like we've yeah, I was talking 463 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,200 about this with Teddy yesterday. We don't know who the starting 464 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,520 quarterback's going to be. We know that I use got a pretty 465 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:37,600 decent running back core, which is led by Jalen Lucas and Josh 466 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,720 Henderson. But we don't really know what 467 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,760 Jalen Lucas's role is going to be in the offense or how they're 468 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,560 going to get on the ball, or whether they're going to try to 469 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,240 run them as a feature back or whether they're going to try to 470 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,710 run him as a as a a special circumstances back go on. 471 00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:54,070 I'm just going to cut you off for a second there, just cuz 472 00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:58,550 this is, this is what is so frustrating about I, U Football 473 00:23:58,550 --> 00:24:02,150 right now is everything feels like it's a shell game. 474 00:24:02,150 --> 00:24:06,830 And So what I mean by that is that, you know, 2017, 18/19/20 475 00:24:07,270 --> 00:24:09,870 we were hearing and we were seeing the recruiting get 476 00:24:09,870 --> 00:24:11,310 better. It's like, oh man, Tom Allen is 477 00:24:11,310 --> 00:24:13,430 really on the recruiting show. We're getting all his recruits 478 00:24:13,910 --> 00:24:16,480 and now it's like. Oh, but the transfer portal, 479 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,680 like, it's really good. The transfer, like, what 480 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,280 happened to the recruits? Don't worry about that. 481 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,680 Look over here like we're talking about transfer portal. 482 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,200 And as you're talking about like, you know, the running back 483 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,440 core is really good. That is true. 484 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,920 But it's like, but we're also talking about doing a dual 485 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,640 threat quarterback or maybe even doing an option, you know, 486 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,560 offense where the quarterback's going to run a lot. 487 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,480 So it's like, are you focusing on that? 488 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,880 And then, you know, one of the things Teddy mentioned is, you 489 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,160 know, the real strength of this team is the wide receiver core. 490 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,960 Like we have a great wide receiver core and it's like, 491 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,390 that's awesome. We don't have any quarterbacks 492 00:24:47,390 --> 00:24:50,750 who have completed more than like 7 passes at the collegiate 493 00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:53,390 level any anywhere on our roster. 494 00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:56,070 So how we planning on getting them the ball And it's like 495 00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:57,830 don't worry about that. Like we're going to go every and 496 00:24:57,830 --> 00:25:00,430 it's like then if we have such a good wide receiver core why are 497 00:25:00,430 --> 00:25:03,990 we doing a running option, dual threat quarterback set up like 498 00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:06,910 none of these things make sense. If you have a great wide 499 00:25:06,910 --> 00:25:09,350 receiver core, you should probably have just like a pocket 500 00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:11,350 passer who's going to hand off and pass to the ball. 501 00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:13,990 So it's just everything feels like to me, like it's a shell 502 00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:16,230 game where it's like. We're talking about one thing 503 00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:18,270 but it doesn't make sense with the other pieces. 504 00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:21,750 Well, and that's the thing. I mean, I I don't, I wish I 505 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:26,870 didn't have a, you know, as cynical of a perspective on it 506 00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:30,510 as as you just espoused there. But it does kind of feel like 507 00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:33,790 there's not there's there's a there's a significant lack of 508 00:25:33,790 --> 00:25:38,430 focus on details with all of this and and look and and that's 509 00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:42,780 true and there always has been and look I mean again that's the 510 00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:46,340 prerogative of the of the coach and the team but but the idea 511 00:25:46,340 --> 00:25:51,740 that that like a lot of it comes down to trust us we know what 512 00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:54,940 we're doing and I guess the big problem is I think a lot of that 513 00:25:54,940 --> 00:25:57,860 trust got eroded the last couple of years when it was clear that 514 00:25:57,860 --> 00:25:59,300 they didn't know what they were doing. 515 00:25:59,740 --> 00:26:03,940 And that's that's I guess where a lot of this offseason is kind 516 00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:06,380 of sat poorly with me now. You know, it's it's clear that 517 00:26:06,660 --> 00:26:11,210 to some degree. Go ahead, go ahead. 518 00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:14,330 Even for people like you and me, like we we went to those first 519 00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:17,530 couple Purdue games early in Allen's tenure and we were bring 520 00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:19,130 this up when we talked about the Louisville game. 521 00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:21,530 But it's like we're you and I were both like man we're just 522 00:26:21,530 --> 00:26:23,770 sloppy. Like early in the early in 523 00:26:23,770 --> 00:26:25,770 Allen's career when he was coaching against Braun at 524 00:26:25,770 --> 00:26:27,490 Purdue. It's like the talent's the same. 525 00:26:27,490 --> 00:26:29,530 We're just not like we looked really sloppy. 526 00:26:29,530 --> 00:26:32,570 So it's it's always sorry it's always been no no I I mean and 527 00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:35,970 look I mean that are cleaned up somewhat the following two years 528 00:26:35,970 --> 00:26:39,950 in 19 and 20 although they were still pretty sloppy in 20 but we 529 00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:43,110 had a guy with a cannon for an arm for most of that season. 530 00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:46,310 I mean that that covered a multitude of sin but they went 531 00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:48,830 back to being very sloppy the last couple of years And and 532 00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:51,510 look as as we've talked about before this is not a program 533 00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:54,190 that's built on detail and discipline. 534 00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:57,390 It's a program that's really as we said was built on vibes. 535 00:26:57,390 --> 00:27:00,470 It's a vibes based economy with I U football where it's like and 536 00:27:00,470 --> 00:27:05,550 actually you know even Alan had his he had his his his last but 537 00:27:05,550 --> 00:27:08,270 depending on what you say his first his first radio show 538 00:27:08,590 --> 00:27:15,130 tonight and a lot of the focus appeared to be on how the team 539 00:27:15,130 --> 00:27:18,890 built chemistry this offseason you know and and that some of 540 00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:22,330 that is needed because as Alan pointed out while we they're 541 00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:27,090 welcoming 50 new players on the roster which is an insane amount 542 00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:29,290 of new play. I know, I know. 543 00:27:30,130 --> 00:27:34,330 But it but it also was like, oh, there was a quote about Alan 544 00:27:34,330 --> 00:27:37,330 telling them that they needed to do team building exercises once 545 00:27:37,330 --> 00:27:39,920 every month. And you know they needed to. 546 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,800 They had a leadership council that that included like 25 547 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,320 players where they had to like come up with new ways where they 548 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,920 could meet teammates and get to know them better. 549 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,160 And now there there's a whole another line that we're not 550 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,760 going to go down right now about culture and this football 551 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,280 program if if that much is necessary. 552 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,280 Now granted you've got a huge amount of new players coming in, 553 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,960 so maybe it is especially in this. 554 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,020 But this is a program. There's who's whose culture has 555 00:28:06,020 --> 00:28:08,580 not looked that great the last couple of years. 556 00:28:10,460 --> 00:28:14,140 It it again makes you concerned though, if if so much of the 557 00:28:14,140 --> 00:28:17,180 focus is on what we got got. We got to get guys playing, you 558 00:28:17,180 --> 00:28:19,580 know, or feeling like they're more comfortable with each 559 00:28:19,580 --> 00:28:22,100 other. That feels an awful lot like 560 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:24,460 another season where you're going in where the details 561 00:28:24,460 --> 00:28:26,900 aren't maybe being focused on as much as they have been in the 562 00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:30,020 past. Now I say that and we have seen 563 00:28:30,020 --> 00:28:33,930 and heard from assistant coaches who do talk in more detail 564 00:28:33,930 --> 00:28:37,610 oriented terms and they have had some positive and interesting 565 00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:40,490 things to say. I mean whether it's Matt Gary, 566 00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:43,570 the new defensive or codefensive coordinator talking about what 567 00:28:43,570 --> 00:28:45,610 they're doing and the improvements that they've seen 568 00:28:45,610 --> 00:28:48,330 over last year. And and some of the players have 569 00:28:48,330 --> 00:28:51,330 talked about this as well in terms of the improvements that 570 00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:54,650 they've felt in terms of how hard they're practicing and and 571 00:28:54,650 --> 00:28:55,970 the sorts of things they're focusing on. 572 00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:58,650 We've heard saying the similar things about the offensive line 573 00:28:58,970 --> 00:29:03,400 and you know that these are all positive signs, I think. 574 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:10,040 But it makes me concerned that as we head into another season 575 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,680 where I use going to be at a talent disadvantage against the 576 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,320 top teams and maybe within shouting distance of some of the 577 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,000 middleclass teams in the conference, but probably still a 578 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,800 step below. Just looking at the rankings and 579 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,520 who's on the roster. It it's just not inspiring a lot 580 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,760 of confidence that you know, so much of the focus again, has 581 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,040 been on how are the players getting along together and how 582 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,520 are they meshing rather than necessarily what are you doing 583 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,200 and and what's the plan And without being able to see any of 584 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,000 the practices. And it's not just me, it's also 585 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,880 the media who they got to see a practice and we're told not to 586 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,720 report on it. Like how do you, how do you, 587 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,160 what are you placing your faith in if you're an observer of I, 588 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,230 U. Football, in terms of what 589 00:29:55,230 --> 00:29:59,310 they're going to do on the field on a weekbyweek basis, and that 590 00:29:59,830 --> 00:30:03,030 is still unanswered and I think it'll probably remain unanswered 591 00:30:03,030 --> 00:30:07,830 for a good while at this point. So as we look at Indiana's 592 00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:12,070 roster on the offensive side, we've got a lot of uncertainties 593 00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:14,990 per normal. We've got again an uncertainty 594 00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:18,670 at offensive line, but some optimism potentially because 595 00:30:18,670 --> 00:30:21,670 you've got new leadership on the offensive line. 596 00:30:21,670 --> 00:30:24,460 You've got from a coaching perspective, you still got a lot 597 00:30:24,460 --> 00:30:27,020 of the same players. You've got Matthew Bedford back, 598 00:30:27,820 --> 00:30:29,900 you know hopefully healthy at this point. 599 00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:32,780 You've got maybe some depth pieces because so many guys had 600 00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:36,460 to play some snaps last year. You know, as we talked about in 601 00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:40,140 the podcast with with Teddy and if you kind of alluded to it a 602 00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:43,500 little bit, I guess with your podcast with Ken, it a lot of it 603 00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:49,720 really comes down to this idea of how does Indiana do something 604 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,360 differently on offense that allows them to actually score 605 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,680 points more consistently. I mean you and I brought up 606 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,720 early on in the the preview sections that Indiana's offense 607 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,080 in terms of pure numbers wasn't as bad as people suspected that 608 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,560 it would, that it was last year. I mean it felt for all the 609 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,720 world, like Indiana's offense was just dead in the water and I 610 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,090 think you know, Ken even brought up, you know, obviously you know 611 00:31:16,090 --> 00:31:19,170 that the defense was was a bigger problem in terms of the 612 00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:21,690 total number of points scored. But in terms of the offensive 613 00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:25,890 stuff, even though Indiana statistically wasn't as bad as 614 00:31:25,890 --> 00:31:28,490 it look, they still only averaged 23 points a game. 615 00:31:28,530 --> 00:31:34,170 And once you got past the the Western Kentucky game last year, 616 00:31:34,170 --> 00:31:37,610 they only scored over 30 points twice and one of those was an 617 00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:40,250 overtime game and that was that that Michigan State game. 618 00:31:41,530 --> 00:31:44,600 You know it. It's it's an offense that is too 619 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,320 often found itself stymied from both its first and second 620 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,520 options, And that was with quarterbacks who could nominally 621 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,240 throw the football even though they didn't have great offensive 622 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,360 lines. So I guess the question is, does 623 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,120 Indiana with potentially a better and better drilled 624 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,480 offensive line than they've had the past few seasons, but worse 625 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,480 quarterback play as you're most likely to have, given that 626 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,490 you've got two guys who have no experience, do they put 627 00:32:12,490 --> 00:32:16,010 themselves in a position where they can score more regularly? 628 00:32:16,890 --> 00:32:18,410 I don't know. I mean, what are your initial 629 00:32:18,410 --> 00:32:23,890 thoughts on that? It it it it goes like I I need 630 00:32:23,890 --> 00:32:26,410 to be happy with this because I've I've been calling for like 631 00:32:26,410 --> 00:32:29,010 you know, you can't just do the same system over and over again 632 00:32:29,010 --> 00:32:30,810 and play normal football and expect to win. 633 00:32:30,810 --> 00:32:33,290 So there there is a world we're like, you know I've been 634 00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:35,490 harpering against the dual threat quarterback for a while 635 00:32:35,490 --> 00:32:37,530 but there's a world like maybe that is the way you have to go 636 00:32:37,530 --> 00:32:39,570 about this. Like, I think the offensive 637 00:32:39,570 --> 00:32:41,520 line. Again, hopefully is better. 638 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,520 You have a new coaching staff. You have now a full offseason. 639 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,760 You now have like the full run of working with that offensive 640 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,400 line that hopefully it's better. But you know, hopefully doing it 641 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,160 with a dual threat allows you to kind of move things around, move 642 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,600 things in the pocket. I mean, my only concern thinking 643 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,240 about getting ready for this tonight is you look at Walt Bell 644 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,000 and his history as an offensive coordinator, even as a head 645 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,160 coach at UMass, Maryland, Florida State. 646 00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:10,220 And most of those years his quarterbacks are going from 2016 647 00:33:10,260 --> 00:33:13,620 Maryland up to now his. The quarterbacks in those years 648 00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:19,540 rushed for 254 yards 64168162 one 39. 649 00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:22,580 So Walt Bell doesn't have a lot of experience of. 650 00:33:22,990 --> 00:33:24,230 Coaching. I'm going to say he can't. 651 00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:27,110 Maybe he will, but it seems like his bread and butter is having 652 00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:30,230 kind of a pocket passer and running with a running back. 653 00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:33,550 Well, and so he did have, I mean in in Maryland, I mean he had I 654 00:33:33,550 --> 00:33:36,110 think it was Turtle Pigrome was the guy's name who who was a 655 00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:37,990 running quarterback. That was kind of a unique 656 00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:41,070 situation. I mean there the the issue with 657 00:33:41,070 --> 00:33:43,710 Indiana's fascinating because if you look at the Tom Allen era, 658 00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:47,750 the average yards per rush that Indiana's had and every year of 659 00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:51,860 Tom Allen being here, they they averaged 3.48 yards per rush in 660 00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:53,980 2017. And you got to keep in mind that 661 00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:57,940 these are always skewed a little bit by the fact that sacks count 662 00:33:57,940 --> 00:34:00,180 against your rush yardage. But I think it's actually a good 663 00:34:00,180 --> 00:34:03,660 metric including that because you have to think about that as 664 00:34:03,740 --> 00:34:05,860 especially if you're going to have a dual threat quarterback, 665 00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:08,020 you have to think about getting tackled behind the line of 666 00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:10,940 scrimmage whether you're passing or running as part of the deal. 667 00:34:11,179 --> 00:34:15,219 But you know 3.48 yards for Indiana there in 2017, their 668 00:34:15,219 --> 00:34:18,420 opponents average 3 point, excuse me, 3.87. 669 00:34:18,420 --> 00:34:23,560 In 2018 Indiana averaged their best in the Tom Allen era, 4.41 670 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,360 yards per carry, 2 opponents, 4.59. 671 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,840 That was the big Stevie Scott year. 672 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,360 The next year it dropped to 3.63. 673 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:34,560 They allowed 3.92. In the COVID year, Indiana only 674 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,000 averaged 3.13 yards per rush. Their opponents averaged 4 point 675 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,360 O3. In 2021 Indiana averaged 3.2 676 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,840 yards a rush. Their opponents averaged 4.1 and 677 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,210 last year Indiana averaged 3.36 yards per rush. 678 00:34:49,370 --> 00:34:54,090 Their opponents averaged 4.14. So Indiana gets consistently out 679 00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:57,650 rushed and with the exception of one season, they've been under 4 680 00:34:57,650 --> 00:35:02,410 yards per rush, again including quarterback sacks under Tom 681 00:35:02,410 --> 00:35:03,970 Allen. And that includes a year with 682 00:35:03,970 --> 00:35:06,610 Walt Bell as the offensive coordinator. 683 00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:09,610 I am. I look, I'll say it. 684 00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:11,370 I mean, I think people have been dancing around it a little bit. 685 00:35:11,370 --> 00:35:16,300 I'm really concerned with Indiana's ability to do a rush 686 00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:20,420 first offense. They do not have the horses at 687 00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:24,540 offensive line proven over the course of more than a game and a 688 00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:28,500 half basically last year to run that kind of an offense. 689 00:35:28,620 --> 00:35:31,500 They haven't shown a historical predilection towards being a 690 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:33,940 running team. They just haven't had the 691 00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:35,300 bodies. They don't have the tight end 692 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:39,070 blocking at least not proven. I mean you might see you know 693 00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:41,350 Steinfeld be able to step up that you know there's there's 694 00:35:41,350 --> 00:35:42,790 other people that might be able to step up. 695 00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:46,830 It's not to say that they can't but we haven't seen it done and 696 00:35:47,350 --> 00:35:50,270 ultimately I think that and this was something that we talked 697 00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:55,270 about yesterday, you have so many interesting intriguing 698 00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:57,670 maybe really good skill position players. 699 00:35:57,830 --> 00:36:01,340 We not just Jalen Lucas, but you've got, you know that this 700 00:36:01,340 --> 00:36:04,140 wide receiver core that's got all of these interesting pieces, 701 00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:07,660 whether it's Anderson, Kobe or Cam Camper or EJ Williams or, 702 00:36:08,540 --> 00:36:12,260 you know, our Carter or, you know, Donovan Mcculley, who you 703 00:36:12,260 --> 00:36:14,460 know has been kind of a missing piece in all of this. 704 00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:19,940 And it's like, so how if you've got those pieces, how are you 705 00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:23,260 going to get them involved if you're not like And again, we 706 00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:25,700 don't know. We are hypothesizing based upon 707 00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,780 what we've seen and read and what we read at the end of the 708 00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:29,620 year, which is like what we need to really focus on. 709 00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:32,060 You know, quarterbacks that can run. 710 00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:34,660 That doesn't mean you're not going to pass it all, but if you 711 00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:36,820 don't know how your quarterbacks are going to pass, how do you 712 00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:38,620 get your best weapons, the football. 713 00:36:39,340 --> 00:36:43,580 And if you're if you can't pass, that's going to really limit 714 00:36:43,580 --> 00:36:46,100 what the opposing defense has to worry about. 715 00:36:46,580 --> 00:36:50,300 Which is essentially that's what did in Indiana's offense the 716 00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:53,740 last two years was the offense not being multidimensional. 717 00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:55,940 And I hate that. I don't want to switch over to 718 00:36:55,940 --> 00:36:58,580 defense like they they go in the intertwine because like. 719 00:36:59,110 --> 00:37:03,390 You you, you look at the, I mean the trouble with our defense 720 00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:08,070 affects the offense because once we got out of you know the the, 721 00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:10,790 you know, oddly we win Illinois, we win the Illinois game 722 00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:12,830 partially because we hold Illinois to 20 points. 723 00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:15,350 Once you get into Big 10 schedule after that, it's like 724 00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:18,230 every team scores over 30 points. 725 00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:22,470 Except for the one game we hold Rutgers, the 24, we only score 726 00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:24,710 17. And then, you know, we do end up 727 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:27,190 beating Michigan State, but we let them score 31 points. 728 00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:30,350 And so this becomes kind of a double edged sword that you're 729 00:37:30,350 --> 00:37:33,070 gonna need to probably once you get into Big 10 schedule, be 730 00:37:33,070 --> 00:37:37,300 scoring. 30 to 35 points a game to win because. 731 00:37:37,780 --> 00:37:41,900 And again, I'm just going off of last year because let's not go 732 00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:43,940 too far back after that. Just going off of last year, 733 00:37:43,940 --> 00:37:47,220 basically every team in the Big 10 was averaging at least 31 734 00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:49,820 points against us. If you don't count Illinois, 735 00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:53,060 even if you I'm sure the average is higher because you like Ohio 736 00:37:53,060 --> 00:37:54,940 State there. But every team's getting 3035 737 00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:58,270 points on us. And again, defense is even more 738 00:37:58,270 --> 00:38:00,950 of a question mark because if you like, read the bite size 739 00:38:00,950 --> 00:38:03,350 bison, which is awesome. Like you know, the entire 740 00:38:03,350 --> 00:38:06,630 secondary is just all new. Like you've lost so many snaps 741 00:38:06,670 --> 00:38:09,110 across so many positions across the defense. 742 00:38:09,110 --> 00:38:11,950 So right, it's they really do go in. 743 00:38:11,950 --> 00:38:14,150 And this is unfortunately the problem is like the games that 744 00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:16,190 we have. You know, when we hold Rutgers 745 00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:19,990 at 24, it's like we can only score 17 and the game mucks up 746 00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:22,150 and we muck up the other team. It's like we end up mucking up 747 00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:23,310 our own offense. It feels like. 748 00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:25,910 And then when we kind of play a freewheeling game and it's. 749 00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:28,710 Like, let things go. Our offense can score, but then 750 00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:30,390 we're not able to. Like the Maryland game the week 751 00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:33,190 before, we scored 33, but we let them score 38. 752 00:38:33,590 --> 00:38:36,510 Yeah, No, I mean, you know, even other other games last year they 753 00:38:36,510 --> 00:38:38,990 were like this. I mean, Nebraska, who was, you 754 00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:42,430 know, at the death last year. Yeah, I think Scott Frost had 755 00:38:42,430 --> 00:38:45,510 been fired. Out to be or I think he had. 756 00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:47,590 I think he did get fired before that game. 757 00:38:47,590 --> 00:38:49,350 I think cuz it was after the Georgia setting. 758 00:38:49,350 --> 00:38:52,370 I haven't forgotten the exact chronology, but you know, 759 00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:55,050 Indiana lost that game by 143521. 760 00:38:55,050 --> 00:38:58,170 But people forget, like that game was tied at the end of the 761 00:38:58,170 --> 00:39:01,090 third quarter. Indiana scored 21 points in the 762 00:39:01,090 --> 00:39:05,090 second quarter of that game and then didn't score again, you 763 00:39:05,090 --> 00:39:06,930 know? And it wasn't like Nebraska was 764 00:39:06,930 --> 00:39:08,570 good. That was only in Nebraska's 765 00:39:08,570 --> 00:39:11,850 second win on the whole season. You know that. 766 00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:17,020 That is where I really worry about Indiana from a just you 767 00:39:17,020 --> 00:39:19,980 can afford to not score a lot of points If you have Iowa's 768 00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:22,700 defense or if you have Wisconsin's defense 769 00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:28,580 historically, you you Indiana does not have the capacity to 770 00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:31,700 not score points. And I guess that's where if I've 771 00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:35,620 got a if I'm, if I'm. I think the source of my 772 00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:38,420 pessimism, other than just having no information going into 773 00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:40,980 the season about what the team's going to do, really does center 774 00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:46,410 around the idea that offensively I have no clue what the plan is 775 00:39:46,410 --> 00:39:49,930 at this point. It's it seems to be if I put 776 00:39:49,930 --> 00:39:53,650 together the quotes correctly it seems to be that we're going to 777 00:39:53,650 --> 00:39:57,690 rely on athleticism and that we're going to rely on an 778 00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:00,330 improved offensive line. We're going to try to get Jalen 779 00:40:00,330 --> 00:40:03,690 Lucas the ball a bunch more, even though he didn't really 780 00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:07,450 thrive that much in, you know, in non kickoff situations last 781 00:40:07,450 --> 00:40:10,570 year, at least not for not in volume and. 782 00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:15,370 You know, but but as you pointed out, so much of what they did 783 00:40:15,370 --> 00:40:17,850 last year offensively was so retrograde. 784 00:40:17,890 --> 00:40:19,890 You know, it was a lot of throwing passes behind the line 785 00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:22,210 of scrimmage. And that's The thing is like 786 00:40:22,210 --> 00:40:25,010 every we, we you talk about all these targets on offense and 787 00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:27,130 it's always that we just got to get Jay Lucas in space. 788 00:40:27,130 --> 00:40:28,850 It's like. It kind of goes back like yes, 789 00:40:28,850 --> 00:40:30,610 that's great. Like that would be awesome. 790 00:40:30,610 --> 00:40:32,010 I would, I would love to do that as well. 791 00:40:32,010 --> 00:40:35,090 But like that's really hard to do and we've not shown the 792 00:40:35,090 --> 00:40:36,930 ability to do that. You know the only thing that I 793 00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:39,170 can think of in the last four years where we've kind of gotten 794 00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:42,970 guys in spaces there was, you know in that 2020 season there 795 00:40:42,970 --> 00:40:46,530 is the into 19 two where it was just like kind of the I'm going 796 00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:49,010 to throw the ball to tie Fry Fogle and let him make a play. 797 00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:52,130 And that worked really well because for a, you know, period 798 00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:55,010 there Fry Fogle was awesome at getting the ball and he would 799 00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:56,410 just kind of go down the sideline. 800 00:40:56,410 --> 00:40:59,610 But we we've seen this. This time and time again under 801 00:40:59,610 --> 00:41:03,050 Alan, under I U, football for years just we have really good 802 00:41:03,370 --> 00:41:06,250 skill position guys. We just have a hard time getting 803 00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:07,810 the ball. I don't think it's a I U 804 00:41:07,810 --> 00:41:09,490 specifically. I think this is a problem with 805 00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:12,650 like teams that are just don't have a lot of blue chip talent 806 00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:15,450 is you can have one or two guys and then it's it's easy for 807 00:41:15,450 --> 00:41:18,460 teams you know that are just slightly better than you to be 808 00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:20,500 like we're not going to let you get him in space. 809 00:41:20,540 --> 00:41:23,300 Well, one of the one and I feel like we're kind of doing a 810 00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:26,460 historical evaluation on the Tom Allen era, which is all we have 811 00:41:26,460 --> 00:41:28,500 to go off of because we don't know what the future is going to 812 00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:30,820 look like. But I mentioned the rushing 813 00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:35,020 totals on offense before and again if you think we're being 814 00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:37,900 pessimistic here, I'm trying not to be, but I don't know what 815 00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:43,380 exactly to be optimistic, right. Well, but so go back to 2017. 816 00:41:44,010 --> 00:41:46,610 Richard Lego primary quarterback, But Peyton Ramsey 817 00:41:46,610 --> 00:41:49,610 played quite a bit that year. Indiana completed 61% of their 818 00:41:49,610 --> 00:41:53,690 passes for 3100 and 8888. Yards, 25 touchdowns. 819 00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:56,690 Their opponents only completed 54 1/2% of their passes for 820 00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:59,010 21156 years. It's a really good year for 821 00:41:59,010 --> 00:42:00,130 Indiana. I don't know how they didn't 822 00:42:00,130 --> 00:42:04,570 make a bowl that year, 2018, it was largely Ramsey with a small 823 00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:09,330 sprinkling of Pennix. Indiana completed 65.7% of their 824 00:42:09,330 --> 00:42:14,920 passes for 3094 yards compared to their opponents, 61% of the 825 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,360 passes completed 28187 yards. Again, Indiana doesn't go to a 826 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:24,960 bowl despite those numbers. 2019 67.9% of passes completed for 827 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,200 almost 4000 yards. Opponents completed 55.6% for 828 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,560 27178 yards. That's great. 829 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,820 They did go to a bowl that year. You go to 2020. 830 00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:40,060 The completion percentage drops off a Cliff, 57.5% completed 831 00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:43,180 passes, 2007 yards. Some of that can be attributed 832 00:42:43,180 --> 00:42:46,380 to COVID because their opponents were actually slightly better in 833 00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:50,340 the percentage category but worse in the yards category. 834 00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:57,180 Then you get the last two years. 2021 Indiana completed 51% of 835 00:42:57,180 --> 00:43:02,660 their passes for 21106 yards. Their opponents completed 62.3% 836 00:43:02,660 --> 00:43:06,840 of their passes for 2800 yards, and then last year Indiana 837 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,520 completed 54% of their passes for 2600 yards and their 838 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,120 opponents completed 64% of their passes for 3200 yards. 839 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,440 So there's that. And this is where you can look 840 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,680 at the offense and you can say, wow, Indiana's quarterback play 841 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,560 and their overall passing game is really falling off a Cliff. 842 00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:27,710 But then you can also look at it and say it's weird that 843 00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:30,870 Indiana's defense, which used to be really good at defending the 844 00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:33,870 past, has gotten progressively worse over the same period of 845 00:43:33,870 --> 00:43:37,230 time. Not a really great trend line in 846 00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:40,910 either direction for this program as we head into this 847 00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:43,190 year. And you know, it's where on the 848 00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:46,190 one side you can say, well, maybe bringing 50 new players 849 00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:50,150 into the program is a good thing because while we've seen where 850 00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:53,120 the players that were in the program had gradually allowed it 851 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,120 to get. But there's two problems with 852 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,120 that. First of all, there's no 853 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,520 guarantee that bringing in these new faces is going to make a 854 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,440 whole lot of difference, might be scheme on both sides of the 855 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,080 ball. Also, as you have been often, 856 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,560 you know, happy to point out all these great recruiting classes 857 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,410 that we kept getting talked about in 2019-2020, 2021 did not 858 00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:17,410 really result in the program raising its floor. 859 00:44:17,410 --> 00:44:20,410 In fact, to some degree, it feels like the floor has been 860 00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:22,410 dropped down a few feet every year. 861 00:44:22,770 --> 00:44:24,970 If you look at the numbers and then you compare it to the 862 00:44:24,970 --> 00:44:27,370 records, it's not really a great story. 863 00:44:27,970 --> 00:44:31,210 One, as you're going through that progression goes back to my 864 00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:34,940 thought of like. I I feel like you you if you're 865 00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:37,780 this staff, you should focus on like what what worked in 866 00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:39,820 17/18/19 is you're laying that out. 867 00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:42,700 It's like having you know what work was having a passer, a 868 00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:46,180 pocket passer who could throw for you know 3 to 4000 yards, 869 00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:49,020 the good completion percentage. And that has not been happening 870 00:44:49,740 --> 00:44:52,140 and it's fine like you know Pat Fitzgerald has it up and downs 871 00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:53,780 in Northwestern. You could have a couple off 872 00:44:53,780 --> 00:44:57,180 years but again where I get concerned going into this season 873 00:44:57,220 --> 00:44:59,880 is. There's no indication that we 874 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,160 have a passer who's ready to do that. 875 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,520 Now to be fair, last year you look at like, you know, they 876 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,920 went out and got Connor Bayes Lack, who had kind of the 877 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,360 pedigree of a pocket passer and it didn't workout for a variety 878 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,680 of reasons. I don't think it was as much 879 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,640 base lacks fault as it might have been said at the time. 880 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,720 But you know, so just saying, because just just being like, 881 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,560 well, they didn't go out and get a pocket passer means they're 882 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,080 not doing it. But it is concerned that it's 883 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,150 like you're just completely. Not even trying it this year, 884 00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:30,750 not sure it's going to work, but you know, maybe again don't 885 00:45:30,750 --> 00:45:33,390 know, but it's like we're kind of going down. 886 00:45:33,830 --> 00:45:36,550 This is what is concerning is like when you're in your seven, 887 00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:38,550 you're going down a new road of like we're going to try 888 00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:40,910 something to see if something new works. 889 00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:43,630 Not we're going to try and recreate what we did in the 890 00:45:43,630 --> 00:45:45,310 past. And hey, last year didn't work, 891 00:45:45,310 --> 00:45:47,150 but last year's because of offensive line and you know 892 00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:49,190 we're going to try it again because we know we have a 893 00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:51,510 formula that works. It's like we're trying to create 894 00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:54,350 new Coke every single year instead of just trying to. 895 00:45:54,430 --> 00:45:57,110 To go back and like, what? Did we mess up with our original 896 00:45:57,110 --> 00:45:59,750 Coke formula? Let's just tweak one thing. 897 00:46:00,590 --> 00:46:04,030 Yeah, now it it's it's an odd trend. 898 00:46:04,030 --> 00:46:09,910 And again, it's like so much of the coverage of football, 899 00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:11,750 especially more so than basketball. 900 00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:15,790 So much of the coverage of football is through the eyes and 901 00:46:15,790 --> 00:46:18,830 the lens of the coaches because that's who talks to the media. 902 00:46:19,150 --> 00:46:22,690 That's the questions get asked. Players are told not to talk 903 00:46:22,690 --> 00:46:24,850 about things. So we get the perspective of the 904 00:46:24,850 --> 00:46:26,810 coaches. Coaches always think they're 905 00:46:26,810 --> 00:46:29,250 doing the OR at least they're always going to say that they 906 00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:31,290 they know what they're doing. They think that they know what 907 00:46:31,290 --> 00:46:32,330 they're doing. They think they know where 908 00:46:32,330 --> 00:46:35,010 they're going. Certainly coaches, you know, I 909 00:46:35,010 --> 00:46:37,210 mean they have to deal with players just like everybody else 910 00:46:37,210 --> 00:46:39,850 does. But the problem is if you're 911 00:46:39,850 --> 00:46:43,130 constantly say, well, this guy did this or coach this way or or 912 00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:45,850 you know, he we've, you know, we've heard from other coaches 913 00:46:45,850 --> 00:46:48,860 that this guy schemes well or this guy does this well or you 914 00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:52,140 know, we've seen from prior materials that XY&Z. 915 00:46:52,460 --> 00:46:55,780 I I think sometimes you lose the forest for the trees in that 916 00:46:56,300 --> 00:47:00,540 because what you end up with is this situation where you look at 917 00:47:00,540 --> 00:47:02,780 those numbers, you look at the direction that things are going. 918 00:47:02,780 --> 00:47:04,980 It's hard to then turn around and say, well, the program's 919 00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:08,180 pointed in the right direction in the macro, but in the micro, 920 00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:12,360 it's like this is where faith is a hard thing to get your head 921 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,920 wrapped around. Going into a season like this, 922 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,840 when you've had such huge roster turnover and so many question 923 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,680 marks at such key positions, which? 924 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,800 The other thing I just did with with the defense sliding over 925 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,520 the years, you know, one thing that really masked it that I 926 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,560 remember talking about going into 2021, but in 2020 there was 927 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,920 just an an absolutely. Absurd number of interceptions 928 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,600 and turnovers. Not the defense caused it. 929 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,720 The defense gets credit for all of those, but it was definitely 930 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,440 statistically off the radar. And you know, that was kind of 931 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,360 the question. Remember, going into 2021 is 932 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,480 like, can the defense really continue to have this high 933 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,250 number of takeaways? The answer was no. 934 00:47:51,250 --> 00:47:53,890 And then once that went away, then once that went away, you 935 00:47:53,890 --> 00:47:56,730 kind of realize like, oh, the underlying, the underlying 936 00:47:56,730 --> 00:47:59,570 defense is actually not very good in those takeaways. 937 00:47:59,570 --> 00:48:02,250 Again, the defense created them, but it's like the underlying 938 00:48:02,250 --> 00:48:06,010 foundation that defense had eroded those couple of years. 939 00:48:06,250 --> 00:48:09,090 And I think a lot of those takeaways kind of masked that in 940 00:48:09,090 --> 00:48:11,770 that 1920 run through. Well, it's interesting because 941 00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:15,770 this was never a defensive system that was built on 942 00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:18,970 generating turnovers. It was really as, remember, if 943 00:48:18,970 --> 00:48:21,730 you go back six years and remember everything, this was a 944 00:48:21,730 --> 00:48:23,250 bend. But don't break defense. 945 00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:25,290 We've heard that more times than I would care to recount. 946 00:48:25,290 --> 00:48:27,570 It's like, well, if we give up a field goal, that's a win. 947 00:48:28,050 --> 00:48:29,970 You know, because we're not going to give up a touchdown, 948 00:48:30,130 --> 00:48:32,530 but we're not necessarily going to turn the opposition over. 949 00:48:32,530 --> 00:48:36,530 And the first year that Alan was the head coach, you know, they 950 00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:40,930 were -7 in turnover margin. They had been -6 in his one year 951 00:48:40,930 --> 00:48:44,010 as defensive coordinator. They were actually plus five in 952 00:48:44,010 --> 00:48:49,110 2018, they dropped back to +2 in 2019. 953 00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:54,350 In 2020 they were plus eight, which is the high watermark of 954 00:48:54,350 --> 00:48:57,550 the program for a while. And you know what was jarring 955 00:48:57,550 --> 00:48:59,630 about 2021? And it was one of the things 956 00:48:59,630 --> 00:49:01,270 that we talked about. We didn't think it was going to 957 00:49:01,270 --> 00:49:03,550 be a problem. It ended up being a big problem. 958 00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:08,680 They went from plus 8 to -13. So they there the turnover 959 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,440 margin went -21 over the course of a two year span. 960 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,560 Now, it was actually better last year in that they were only -5 961 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,680 in turnovers. But this is where you know that 962 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,160 if you look at the way that the program is constituted, you know 963 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,560 that 2020 season, a lot of it ended up being capitalizing on 964 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,130 opponent mistakes. And even last year, even though 965 00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:38,250 that the turnovers weren't quite there, Indiana was, as I 966 00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:41,650 mentioned at the end of the last podcast, the program in the 967 00:49:41,650 --> 00:49:44,130 Power 5 conferences whose opponents got called for the 968 00:49:44,130 --> 00:49:48,890 most penalty yards of any of them, which is its own form of 969 00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:52,130 while we got some benefits like, you know, that's where we lost 970 00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:55,330 by 7, we could have lost by 21 if the other team hadn't gotten 971 00:49:55,330 --> 00:49:57,930 those 65 yards of penalties called at the wrong time, stuff 972 00:49:57,930 --> 00:50:01,930 like that. So defensively when I look at 973 00:50:01,930 --> 00:50:04,130 the and you know the the thing about this defense, I think you 974 00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:06,570 and you and Ken brought it up a little bit with the pass rush. 975 00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:10,410 You know this is a program that has never really built itself 976 00:50:10,410 --> 00:50:14,330 around a pass rush per se. It's nice to have. 977 00:50:14,370 --> 00:50:18,330 But you know they they have consistently gotten, if if you 978 00:50:18,330 --> 00:50:22,410 look at at sacks, it's kind of a much milder version of turnovers 979 00:50:22,410 --> 00:50:26,290 and the you know sack margin, how many you were picking up 980 00:50:26,290 --> 00:50:28,290 versus how many your opponents are picking up. 981 00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:32,390 Last year Indiana was -18 in SAC margin. 982 00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:35,990 On the season Indiana had 20 sacks, their opponents had 38. 983 00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:39,670 The previous year they were -12 in SAC margin. 984 00:50:39,790 --> 00:50:43,030 But the year before that in 2020 they were plus 15. 985 00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:48,870 I mean the the, the, the level of 2020 just looks such like 986 00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:52,350 such an outlier and you don't necessarily need that SAC margin 987 00:50:52,350 --> 00:50:53,590 if you've got other things going for you. 988 00:50:53,590 --> 00:50:56,960 Like in 2019 the SAC margin was even it was a zero, it was like 989 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:02,280 27427 against. But that's that team had an 990 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,640 offensive plan. It knew what it wanted to do 991 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,600 offensively. It was really clever about 992 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,040 getting the ball into space and getting it to different people 993 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,920 and really utilizing the entire field. 994 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,600 And what worries me is that I've seen nothing these last two 995 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,920 years that Indiana has the capacity on offense to do that. 996 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,940 And defensively it's a big, like question mark about whether they 997 00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:26,300 can generate either turnovers or sacks or just consistent stops 998 00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:30,420 in, you know, in the red zone. You know, you you'd hope that 999 00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:33,020 all the things we're hearing about new coaching staff, new 1000 00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:35,540 players coming in, maybe that translates into something big, 1001 00:51:35,540 --> 00:51:40,090 and maybe it will. But it's a big ask for a bunch 1002 00:51:40,090 --> 00:51:42,530 of players who haven't really played well, played together at 1003 00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:46,410 all before, in a system at a school that has struggled the 1004 00:51:46,410 --> 00:51:49,690 last two years to suddenly come in at play at like a top 50 1005 00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:51,770 level when it comes to those sorts of things. 1006 00:51:52,570 --> 00:51:55,090 And and the other thing with last season that you mentioned 1007 00:51:55,090 --> 00:51:57,410 you you hit on this in the last podcast of Teddy is you know. 1008 00:51:58,370 --> 00:52:00,410 There's a you know, Indiana won a couple games. 1009 00:52:00,410 --> 00:52:02,450 They should have, you know, maybe could have lost last year. 1010 00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:03,410 They, you know, they lost a couple. 1011 00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:05,530 They should have won. It's like, well, there's really 1012 00:52:05,530 --> 00:52:07,250 three. They they like the Illinois, 1013 00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:09,170 Western Kentucky and Michigan State. 1014 00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:12,250 Like those are games they really could have lost. 1015 00:52:12,370 --> 00:52:15,690 Like those were all like based on one play here or there. 1016 00:52:15,810 --> 00:52:18,970 Whereas the Maryland Rutgers losses. 1017 00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:21,650 I'm not sure how close those were to wins. 1018 00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:24,290 I mean Maryland was a pretty nip and tuck game but it's like the 1019 00:52:24,290 --> 00:52:25,450 I U game. We're up 14. 1020 00:52:25,450 --> 00:52:27,850 Nothing like yeah, that should have been a win, but we really 1021 00:52:28,050 --> 00:52:31,210 like let Rutgers just boat race us and then it was over after we 1022 00:52:31,210 --> 00:52:34,850 got up 14 nothing. So it it the the losses the wins 1023 00:52:34,850 --> 00:52:37,330 that we had were really, really tight. 1024 00:52:37,330 --> 00:52:41,010 I think people were forgetting that that this team you know and 1025 00:52:41,010 --> 00:52:45,050 and if you change either the Illinois or the Western, you 1026 00:52:45,050 --> 00:52:46,810 just change Western Kentucky to a loss. 1027 00:52:46,810 --> 00:52:48,130 And by the way, I remember that game. 1028 00:52:48,130 --> 00:52:49,250 I remember being there, being like. 1029 00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:52,010 We're going to lose this. If you change that to a loss, I 1030 00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:55,890 think the trajectory of of the season last year could have 1031 00:52:55,890 --> 00:52:58,770 been, you know, even worse because then it's like maybe 1032 00:52:58,770 --> 00:53:01,130 they just completely check out after they've already lost to 1033 00:53:01,130 --> 00:53:02,570 Western Kentucky. Maybe. 1034 00:53:02,570 --> 00:53:04,890 I mean, it's hard to say. I mean, they looked, checked out 1035 00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:07,050 and then they checked back in for the games at the end of the 1036 00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:08,970 season, you know. So it's it's hard to say. 1037 00:53:08,970 --> 00:53:11,770 I mean it, it's, it was a weird year last year. 1038 00:53:11,770 --> 00:53:14,730 I mean, you know if you're looking for reasons for 1039 00:53:14,730 --> 00:53:17,850 optimism, you could look at it and say, well, you know 1040 00:53:17,850 --> 00:53:21,730 realistically speaking down the stretch they were really only 1041 00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:24,210 three games. They weren't competitive in the 1042 00:53:24,210 --> 00:53:26,130 for the course of the of the of the game. 1043 00:53:26,130 --> 00:53:29,610 One that was the game at home against Michigan, which was tied 1044 00:53:29,610 --> 00:53:31,930 at half, but then Michigan ran away with it in the second-half. 1045 00:53:32,130 --> 00:53:35,530 One was the game at home versus Penn State which was not close. 1046 00:53:35,530 --> 00:53:38,090 And one was the game at Ohio State, but every every other 1047 00:53:38,090 --> 00:53:42,090 one, you know, they they were, they were obviously they were 1048 00:53:42,090 --> 00:53:43,970 tied at the end of the third quarter with Nebraska. 1049 00:53:44,550 --> 00:53:47,830 They were in the game against Maryland up until you're really 1050 00:53:47,830 --> 00:53:50,950 the last few drives. They were in the game against 1051 00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:52,830 Rutgers but couldn't get the the job done. 1052 00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:56,030 They beat Michigan State and they were in the game at least 1053 00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:59,070 at half time against Purdue. So if you're looking for 1054 00:53:59,070 --> 00:54:02,550 optimism, you know on the one hand you can say, well let me 1055 00:54:02,550 --> 00:54:04,350 look. The team kind of rallied in 1056 00:54:04,350 --> 00:54:06,030 those games. They stayed competitive. 1057 00:54:06,350 --> 00:54:07,830 I'm not willing to write that off. 1058 00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:11,110 The the downside is when you welcome 52 players to the 1059 00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:13,510 roster. A lot of those guys weren't here 1060 00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:16,470 when they were being competitive in those games, and you wonder 1061 00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:18,990 how much of that actually carries over given what kind of 1062 00:54:18,990 --> 00:54:22,070 exodus Indiana experienced off of this roster. 1063 00:54:22,510 --> 00:54:25,510 The other thing, and I I do want to be optimistic, I really do. 1064 00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:27,550 I'm going to get there. But you know, the other thing 1065 00:54:27,550 --> 00:54:30,150 that I keep hearing is this, you know that you mentioned that 1066 00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:32,070 Purdue game and there's this talk of like and you talked 1067 00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:34,430 about a lot with Teddy that you know, Dexter Williams will be 1068 00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:36,230 coming back at some point and maybe we're just keeping the 1069 00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:39,830 seat warm. For Dexter Williams, it's he you 1070 00:54:39,830 --> 00:54:42,150 mentioned something earlier about like, you know, just this 1071 00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:45,230 quarterback battle, it's kind of maybe you're making such a big 1072 00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:48,870 deal of it that it does kind of make somebody is going to, you 1073 00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:51,310 know, going to fail that you know. 1074 00:54:51,780 --> 00:54:53,780 There's this narrative that it's like, oh, Dexter's get hurt. 1075 00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:56,340 We probably win the Purdue game. It's like we lost that game at 1076 00:54:56,340 --> 00:54:59,060 what 16 points. Like it's not like that was the 1077 00:54:59,060 --> 00:55:00,780 last play of the game or something. 1078 00:55:00,780 --> 00:55:03,700 We we we lost to Purdue. And you know, yes, he beat 1079 00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:06,140 Michigan State. It was a very gimmicky offense. 1080 00:55:06,140 --> 00:55:09,860 This is a guy who completed 13 passes last year through for, 1081 00:55:09,980 --> 00:55:13,780 you know 34% completion. This is not much better than you 1082 00:55:13,780 --> 00:55:14,980 know, Donovan McCauley. And I'm not. 1083 00:55:14,980 --> 00:55:16,700 I hope he's, I mean I hope he's healthy. 1084 00:55:16,980 --> 00:55:19,660 I hope he comes back in his well so there there was an update on 1085 00:55:19,660 --> 00:55:26,220 the coaches show tonight that he's he's he's not ready to be 1086 00:55:26,260 --> 00:55:29,940 on the roster like you know available to play and probably 1087 00:55:29,940 --> 00:55:33,420 won't be for the first few weeks which you know it's interesting 1088 00:55:33,420 --> 00:55:37,500 because like Taylor Layman and I have been talking back and forth 1089 00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:39,940 about this about well could they just be keeping the seat warm 1090 00:55:39,940 --> 00:55:42,820 for Dexter Williams. This was talked about in Bite 1091 00:55:42,820 --> 00:55:45,860 Size Bison a bit like, is it possible that is it possible 1092 00:55:45,860 --> 00:55:48,560 that they're just they're going to pick the quarterback that 1093 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,800 most closely matches what Dexter Williams does with the idea that 1094 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,760 that's the offensive system? Yes, everything you brought up 1095 00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:01,040 is true. Like you, you cannot you you 1096 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,480 can't look at the two games against Michigan State and 1097 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,920 Purdue and think that that's a sustainable model offensively 1098 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,520 for this I U team. At least I don't think so 1099 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,760 because of the lack of passing and all of that. 1100 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,780 But the other thing I would unfortunately remind people if 1101 00:56:16,780 --> 00:56:19,380 their thought is O, Dexter Williams is going to come back 1102 00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:23,260 and be the starter. This program put a quarterback 1103 00:56:23,260 --> 00:56:27,620 in way too early that suffered a similar injury, you know, a 1104 00:56:27,620 --> 00:56:31,340 couple of years ago and he was clearly not ready for primetime. 1105 00:56:31,340 --> 00:56:33,740 And that was when Michael Pennix was named the starter. 1106 00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:37,100 You're going into the 2021 season and just was clearly not 1107 00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:40,540 there. You know I do worry if if 1108 00:56:40,540 --> 00:56:44,550 they're underwhelmed with the quarterback options does Dex you 1109 00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:46,710 know and Dexter Williams is seen as the guy that can get it done 1110 00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:48,790 because they've used him before but he's not actually ready to 1111 00:56:48,790 --> 00:56:50,470 compete. I mean that injury he suffered 1112 00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:54,430 was at the end of November. You know, Week 3 or week four of 1113 00:56:54,430 --> 00:56:59,590 the season A, that's ten months, that's, you know, that's that's 1114 00:56:59,590 --> 00:57:01,990 that's not even a full calendar year to recuperate. 1115 00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:04,630 And 2nd, that's a quarter of your season. 1116 00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:07,830 Like, that's, you know, you're talking about 1/4 to 1/3 of the 1117 00:57:07,830 --> 00:57:09,590 games that you're going to play this year. 1118 00:57:10,590 --> 00:57:13,350 This is what is always concerned me about not getting a veteran 1119 00:57:13,350 --> 00:57:15,590 quarterback. You know, going with these two 1120 00:57:15,590 --> 00:57:17,590 guys who don't have a lot of experience. 1121 00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:23,070 You're the winnable games for this team are, you know, they're 1122 00:57:23,070 --> 00:57:25,590 kind of spread throughout. But the games you cannot afford 1123 00:57:25,590 --> 00:57:29,750 to lose are all stacked at the beginning and all you have to do 1124 00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:32,110 is look back at how Indiana struggled against Idaho last 1125 00:57:32,110 --> 00:57:35,170 year to to say, you know a couple things go wrong in that 1126 00:57:35,170 --> 00:57:37,090 game. Idaho starts believing weather 1127 00:57:37,090 --> 00:57:38,770 stays bad. You never know what happens. 1128 00:57:39,610 --> 00:57:43,610 I do worry if if there's a if the clear pathway as far as this 1129 00:57:43,610 --> 00:57:47,770 team's concerned is like somehow focusing on we're going to get 1130 00:57:47,770 --> 00:57:50,650 Dexter Williams back and have him play when we haven't really 1131 00:57:50,650 --> 00:57:55,730 seen him in competitive format, you know, essentially since the 1132 00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:57,930 end of November. I do worry about that being the 1133 00:57:57,930 --> 00:58:01,010 decision making process because that's a lot to put on a guy and 1134 00:58:01,010 --> 00:58:03,850 it's a lot to put on an offensive system that isn't 1135 00:58:03,850 --> 00:58:06,930 really geared towards those strengths, I would say at this 1136 00:58:06,930 --> 00:58:09,130 point. It's interesting you bring up 1137 00:58:09,130 --> 00:58:12,770 that that Pennex in 2021 comp because I was thinking the exact 1138 00:58:12,770 --> 00:58:16,370 same thing that you know I was there in Iowa and you were you 1139 00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:18,250 were there. You're like you're being like 1140 00:58:18,250 --> 00:58:21,410 he's not ready but he he he put up a game effort. 1141 00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:24,530 You know he kept going until the Cincinnati game which was really 1142 00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:26,890 close. People forget about that, but, 1143 00:58:27,050 --> 00:58:30,600 you know, you do wonder. I've often wondered, you know if 1144 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,840 by naming him so early and putting him in when it obviously 1145 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,120 Penix wasn't fully ready, how did that affect the team? 1146 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,000 Because you know that team after that Cincinnati game, they were 1147 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,480 done like that that 2021 team checked out. 1148 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,960 And I do wonder, were there players who like, they're 1149 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,440 practicing every day and they're like, we should be practicing 1150 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,840 with Tuttle? Like this is not like we're 1151 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:53,920 going we know we're going to be there. 1152 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,240 Like it if if you know that, that miss. 1153 00:58:57,630 --> 00:59:02,030 Call at quarterback if that is partially what made that team 1154 00:59:02,030 --> 00:59:04,870 kind of check out, I don't know, but it's the same thing that 1155 00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:07,990 worries me here is exactly everything you're saying is that 1156 00:59:08,270 --> 00:59:11,630 if if Dexter's not ready and they're bringing him in, you 1157 00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:14,750 know, are you, are you possibly going to lose the team again? 1158 00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:17,470 Because they can see like this is not the right move to make 1159 00:59:17,470 --> 00:59:18,750 it. And again, I just go back to. 1160 00:59:19,330 --> 00:59:21,530 Dexter looked really interesting. 1161 00:59:21,570 --> 00:59:24,850 I I was very I'm intrigued to see him but it's like this is 1162 00:59:24,850 --> 00:59:27,010 not panics of 2020 coming back there. 1163 00:59:27,010 --> 00:59:29,850 This is a guy who's also a very like they're all unproven 1164 00:59:29,850 --> 00:59:32,010 quarterbacks. So it is just there's this 1165 00:59:32,010 --> 00:59:34,090 narrative that I think some people are picking up it's like 1166 00:59:34,090 --> 00:59:35,810 well you know we'll keep the seat warm and then Dexter will 1167 00:59:35,810 --> 00:59:36,970 come and then we'll be we'll be fine. 1168 00:59:36,970 --> 00:59:40,850 It's like I, I I mean, there's no evidence that he's like the 1169 00:59:40,850 --> 00:59:43,170 savior either. Nor should we put that kind of, 1170 00:59:43,450 --> 00:59:45,210 you know, that kind of piece on him. 1171 00:59:45,210 --> 00:59:47,970 And it's I I will end, you know, with this is like it. 1172 00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:51,110 Hate to keep focusing on the quarterback, but I also come 1173 00:59:51,110 --> 00:59:53,550 back to sometimes it's just we talk about all of this stuff and 1174 00:59:53,550 --> 00:59:57,190 it's just as simple as you know, I heard even you know a couple 1175 00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:59,310 of podcasts would say you know it's a quarterbacks gaming. 1176 00:59:59,310 --> 01:00:00,870 In the end, the college footballs quarterback game. 1177 01:00:00,870 --> 01:00:02,510 And it is. And we get to these points in 1178 01:00:02,510 --> 01:00:05,070 the seasons like we were, our quarterback has a hard time 1179 01:00:05,070 --> 01:00:06,510 throwing as a hard time moving the ball. 1180 01:00:06,510 --> 01:00:08,150 And it's like we're just, we're done. 1181 01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:11,590 We don't really aren't able to do much and that's it's it is we 1182 01:00:11,590 --> 01:00:15,110 talked about it a lot, but it's also because it is so important 1183 01:00:15,110 --> 01:00:18,590 and if you have a quarterback who can't complete more than 38% 1184 01:00:18,590 --> 01:00:21,390 of their passes and most of them are going behind the line, 1185 01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:23,830 you're just going to have a really hard time being 1186 01:00:23,830 --> 01:00:25,470 successful. Which does wrap back to the 1187 01:00:25,470 --> 01:00:28,510 original point that we made at the beginning, which is that 1188 01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:33,080 you're you're asking. A lot For people who have not 1189 01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,960 seen any of these quarterbacks that are currently healthy to 1190 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,520 play, you haven't seen what they can do. 1191 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,920 All you got essentially is high school tape on them. 1192 01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,720 It it doesn't do much for one's confidence. 1193 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:50,560 If you are trying as a fan to get excited about the season. 1194 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,840 And even if you're looking at Dexter Williams, you know the 1195 01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,440 again, I think as much as I think Dexter's got potentially a 1196 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,670 good future ahead. It's a really fraught pathway if 1197 01:01:01,670 --> 01:01:04,630 that is going to be your solution for the season, given 1198 01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:07,710 that we, you know, haven't seen him on a football field and it 1199 01:01:07,710 --> 01:01:10,350 probably won't for a while, except he's done some limited 1200 01:01:10,350 --> 01:01:11,990 stuff in practice from what I've been able to gather. 1201 01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:14,550 But as Alan said tonight, he's not even healthy enough to be 1202 01:01:14,550 --> 01:01:17,190 the third string quarterback going into the start of the 1203 01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:19,070 season. That to me doesn't bode 1204 01:01:19,070 --> 01:01:21,350 particularly well if you're expecting this guy to play major 1205 01:01:21,350 --> 01:01:23,390 minutes throughout the course of the season. 1206 01:01:23,390 --> 01:01:26,510 So with all that said, let's pick some games. 1207 01:01:26,670 --> 01:01:29,110 So. You know, it's interesting. 1208 01:01:29,350 --> 01:01:32,030 You know, I've been watching, I've been trying to find as many 1209 01:01:32,030 --> 01:01:38,190 projections for the season as I can, and it hasn't been pretty. 1210 01:01:38,190 --> 01:01:43,910 I mean, you know the Indiana was set at a 3.5 win over under, 1211 01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:45,870 over under all the. Time and and. 1212 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,720 You know, I mean over has been bet a little bit more strongly. 1213 01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,520 I think over was -135 and under was like plus 1/15. 1214 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,040 So people, the money's leaning towards Indiana being able to 1215 01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:03,560 win four games instead of three. The athletic projected Indiana 1216 01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,000 would go 2 and 10 and that's Stuart Mandel who's got his own, 1217 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,000 you know, issues in terms of like what he puts out there 1218 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,600 sometimes. But ESPN predicted Indiana would 1219 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,790 go 3:00 and 9:00. And that's essentially where 1220 01:02:14,790 --> 01:02:16,310 most of the projections have gone. 1221 01:02:16,350 --> 01:02:19,190 I saw it was reading the IDs projections this morning and 1222 01:02:19,230 --> 01:02:22,190 they were around the same. You know if you look at this 1223 01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:28,150 season game by game, I mean clearly the Ohio State game, 1224 01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:31,030 sorry, your floor has to be two. I mean like we'll start the, you 1225 01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:33,310 know we always, we always give the losses first. 1226 01:02:33,310 --> 01:02:36,710 Let's be optimistic on wins like your floor has to be two because 1227 01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:38,630 Indiana State and Akron are just. 1228 01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:41,730 I mean it's wild that we're having this like they are. 1229 01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:44,450 It must wins. Like if you lose either of those 1230 01:02:44,450 --> 01:02:45,850 games, the wheels are off the bus. 1231 01:02:45,850 --> 01:02:47,890 Like there's just no other way around it, like because. 1232 01:02:48,170 --> 01:02:51,650 So it's just the floor is too, like, so now it's like how many 1233 01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:55,330 big 10 games or Louisville games are you going to win? 1234 01:02:56,050 --> 01:02:58,610 Because I'll just start there like you got to be it too. 1235 01:02:58,770 --> 01:03:01,410 Well, and it's interesting though, because you say that and 1236 01:03:01,450 --> 01:03:04,090 you know Akron, Indiana aren't that far apart in the PFF 1237 01:03:04,090 --> 01:03:09,810 rankings like Akron comes in. 128th out of 131 Indiana and PFF 1238 01:03:09,810 --> 01:03:12,810 going into the season and again this is statistics based, is 1239 01:03:12,810 --> 01:03:17,410 91st out of 131. Wouldn't you agree that just all 1240 01:03:17,410 --> 01:03:19,090 numbers aside, you can't lose that game? 1241 01:03:19,370 --> 01:03:22,090 No, absolutely. You know that that that's, but 1242 01:03:22,090 --> 01:03:24,010 I'm not talking about what they have to do. 1243 01:03:24,010 --> 01:03:25,730 I'm talking about what I think they'll do. 1244 01:03:26,410 --> 01:03:29,890 And that is unfortunately for Indiana. 1245 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,280 I mean we've just, we've seen enough evidence in the past of 1246 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,400 Indiana struggling in those sorts of games that I don't know 1247 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:37,440 that you can take it for granted. 1248 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,320 I mean, I think they they'll probably win that, but I don't 1249 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,760 think that it's as foregone of the conclusion as what you just 1250 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,080 stated because, you know, at least on paper. 1251 01:03:47,570 --> 01:03:50,490 These teams don't feel as far apart as we as they probably 1252 01:03:50,490 --> 01:03:53,290 should feel going into the season, Agreed. 1253 01:03:53,290 --> 01:03:56,370 But I'm going to be optimistic and I'm just, I'm putting this 1254 01:03:56,370 --> 01:03:58,130 is where this is my optimism, I'm giving those. 1255 01:03:58,250 --> 01:03:59,490 Both. Well, let's just go through each 1256 01:03:59,490 --> 01:04:01,570 game. So we start off with Ohio State, 1257 01:04:01,650 --> 01:04:03,730 which I'm assuming you have as a loss. 1258 01:04:03,730 --> 01:04:08,690 I also have it as a loss. Yes, yes. 1259 01:04:08,770 --> 01:04:10,620 But let's just. All right. 1260 01:04:10,740 --> 01:04:12,980 I've been so pessimistic on so much of this stuff. 1261 01:04:12,980 --> 01:04:16,700 I'm just going to give the the like we have played Ohio State 1262 01:04:16,700 --> 01:04:19,060 to start the season way too many times. 1263 01:04:19,340 --> 01:04:23,060 We've played them okay and some of these first halfs have been 1264 01:04:23,420 --> 01:04:25,460 Okay. You know they they've not been 1265 01:04:25,460 --> 01:04:28,340 awful. And as we've mentioned many 1266 01:04:28,340 --> 01:04:31,820 times like at some point it's got to happen and it's probably 1267 01:04:31,820 --> 01:04:36,220 not going to be you know, the year, why not this year? 1268 01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:39,590 If we're going to do things on Hope like I'm going to pick us 1269 01:04:39,590 --> 01:04:41,670 for a loss, like I'll, I'll cut to the chase. 1270 01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:44,350 But there is the world where it's like if you're going to 1271 01:04:44,350 --> 01:04:47,390 catch Ohio State, I think now would be the time to catch them. 1272 01:04:48,510 --> 01:04:51,430 I just there's a part of me too that it's like I I obviously 1273 01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:53,870 want to beat Ohio State. It was a part where I don't want 1274 01:04:53,870 --> 01:04:56,310 to. This is so tongue in cheek. 1275 01:04:56,310 --> 01:04:58,190 Please understand it's like I don't want to win because then 1276 01:04:58,190 --> 01:05:00,020 it's like. Tom Allen will never name 1277 01:05:00,020 --> 01:05:02,740 anything ever again like we'll just like he'll be like, no, 1278 01:05:02,740 --> 01:05:05,940 that we won because I didn't name any any positions. 1279 01:05:05,940 --> 01:05:08,420 Like we don't know what churches we're going to wear next time. 1280 01:05:08,580 --> 01:05:11,740 I I would note Indiana's only started the season with Ohio 1281 01:05:11,740 --> 01:05:13,740 State once. They've only started it with 1282 01:05:13,740 --> 01:05:17,780 Ohio State once. I swear Nope it's this is the 1283 01:05:17,780 --> 01:05:20,460 second time they started with Ohio State in 2017. 1284 01:05:20,460 --> 01:05:24,140 That was August 31st, 2017. I think what you're thinking of 1285 01:05:24,140 --> 01:05:27,620 is the 2019 season. But they played Ball State in 1286 01:05:27,620 --> 01:05:30,150 Indianapolis first. Then they played Eastern 1287 01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:34,910 Illinois, then they played Ohio State on the 14th of September. 1288 01:05:34,910 --> 01:05:37,390 So it feels like they opened the season there, but that's just 1289 01:05:37,390 --> 01:05:40,550 because the first two games were not the most memorable of games. 1290 01:05:40,550 --> 01:05:43,990 But even 2 times is probably too many times. 1291 01:05:44,190 --> 01:05:45,430 You know, I I will give you that. 1292 01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:48,670 No, I mean, look the the line on this game is already. 1293 01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:51,970 Escalating. Well, it started at 28 1/2. 1294 01:05:52,090 --> 01:05:55,290 It's now at 31 1/2, at least in some circles. 1295 01:05:55,530 --> 01:05:58,690 James, just let me know the the first half line is 17, 1/2. 1296 01:05:59,530 --> 01:06:02,850 Yeah, I mean, and look, Ohio State's, this is the sad thing 1297 01:06:02,850 --> 01:06:05,850 to me about this game is that Ohio State is a little bit 1298 01:06:05,850 --> 01:06:08,970 vulnerable to start this season because they don't have a 1299 01:06:08,970 --> 01:06:11,450 starting quarterback. I mean they kind of do, but 1300 01:06:11,450 --> 01:06:14,410 they're going to go on a rotational basis and. 1301 01:06:15,530 --> 01:06:17,650 They're, you know, they they don't they they're changing 1302 01:06:17,650 --> 01:06:20,930 offensive coordinators there. There's a lot of pressure at 1303 01:06:20,930 --> 01:06:22,970 Ohio State. It's clearly a game that they 1304 01:06:22,970 --> 01:06:25,450 could overlook because, I mean, they've, you know, they've 1305 01:06:25,450 --> 01:06:29,170 beaten Indiana significantly. You know, Ohio State. 1306 01:06:29,170 --> 01:06:32,410 The problem is they're just so overwhelmingly talented and 1307 01:06:32,410 --> 01:06:35,010 Indiana has not shown the ability to be consistently 1308 01:06:35,010 --> 01:06:37,850 competitive. Even in 2019, when they won 1309 01:06:38,170 --> 01:06:40,850 eight games and went to a bowl and had one of the most 1310 01:06:40,850 --> 01:06:42,370 successful seasons in I U. History. 1311 01:06:42,370 --> 01:06:47,110 They lost 51 to 10 at home. To Ohio State, it's hard to see 1312 01:06:47,110 --> 01:06:49,550 this vintage of Indiana doing anything other than that. 1313 01:06:49,550 --> 01:06:51,230 And so that's where I would get concerned. 1314 01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:55,350 Indiana State, I mean, again, this has been thrown into just a 1315 01:06:55,350 --> 01:06:56,950 game that Indiana's going to win. 1316 01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:58,950 Without any question. I would think that that would be 1317 01:06:58,950 --> 01:07:00,630 the case. I do. 1318 01:07:00,830 --> 01:07:04,550 I would caution a little bit if Indiana doesn't have a solid 1319 01:07:04,550 --> 01:07:06,310 game out of their starting quarterback. 1320 01:07:07,450 --> 01:07:10,370 You know, that can cast a pall over the offense, but man, 1321 01:07:10,570 --> 01:07:13,370 that's one of those things where Indiana's talent level should be 1322 01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:16,290 able to exceed whatever Indiana State is able to throw at them. 1323 01:07:16,290 --> 01:07:18,890 So I would, I would, I mean I'm assuming you would give them a W 1324 01:07:18,890 --> 01:07:20,450 here because I certainly would as well. 1325 01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:21,810 No. Yeah. 1326 01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:24,410 If I'm if I'm you're giving an L here then you're going over. 1327 01:07:24,530 --> 01:07:28,850 So yeah, it win, yes. Then 111 Baby. 1328 01:07:29,290 --> 01:07:32,770 So then he got Louisville. So Louisville on a neutral? 1329 01:07:33,580 --> 01:07:39,820 Field in in in Indianapolis. I I would love to hear the logic 1330 01:07:39,820 --> 01:07:42,820 behind why this series was scheduled in the 1st place. 1331 01:07:42,820 --> 01:07:44,340 It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 1332 01:07:44,580 --> 01:07:48,820 Louisville is, according to the computers very good going into 1333 01:07:48,820 --> 01:07:52,020 this year. They are ranked 33rd according 1334 01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:54,500 to PFF. This is a team that struggled 1335 01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:58,380 last year and. Now they have a new coach, and 1336 01:07:58,380 --> 01:08:01,140 it's Jeff Brom who knows I U inside and out. 1337 01:08:01,340 --> 01:08:04,820 Jeff Brom, a guy who's only lost to Tom Allen once, and it was in 1338 01:08:04,940 --> 01:08:08,420 overtime. That was that 2019 game. 1339 01:08:09,140 --> 01:08:10,940 You know, Brahms had I U's number. 1340 01:08:11,140 --> 01:08:14,380 A lot of people have gone in the direction of, well, you know, 1341 01:08:14,380 --> 01:08:16,660 this game. This isn't just a surefire thing 1342 01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:18,540 for Louisville. This is a game that Indiana 1343 01:08:18,540 --> 01:08:21,939 could compete in. And while I agree they could, it 1344 01:08:21,939 --> 01:08:25,319 feels like Louisville. Even though they weren't great 1345 01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:29,240 last year, just as starting from a completely different like 1346 01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,960 level that Indiana is given that you know they you know 1347 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,439 Louisville overall has just I mean they've just been a better 1348 01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,920 on on balance program over the last like what debt 1015 years. 1349 01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:45,439 Their talent level is probably not much different than 1350 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,760 Indiana's, maybe slightly higher, but. 1351 01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,160 You know, I think about Louisville and I think about 1352 01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,399 Bram, and then I think about what Indiana's going to be 1353 01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:56,040 dealing with in terms of like they'll still be trying to find 1354 01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,279 out who they are. They should be able to compete 1355 01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:00,760 in this game. But I would still look at this 1356 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:05,279 as probably a loss for Indiana. Yeah, I go back to the 2017 1357 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,279 bucket game that you and I you and I. 1358 01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:09,479 That's when we went to that was at Purdue. 1359 01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,399 I U lost 31 to 24. And it's just I I remember being 1360 01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:15,520 like these two teams are pretty much the same talent. 1361 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,899 And I feel like, you know, I, U and Louisville are close to 1362 01:09:19,899 --> 01:09:21,140 talent. Louisville might have more 1363 01:09:21,140 --> 01:09:24,620 talent, but I remember at that time being like, you know, man, 1364 01:09:24,700 --> 01:09:27,899 Brahms team looks way better coached at the time. 1365 01:09:29,420 --> 01:09:31,260 At that time anyway, no, I agree. 1366 01:09:31,260 --> 01:09:33,100 And. And I was going to say and also 1367 01:09:33,100 --> 01:09:35,899 Louisville was eight and five last year, they were four and 1368 01:09:35,899 --> 01:09:40,580 four in the ACC. That's that's that's a lot of 1369 01:09:40,580 --> 01:09:42,819 concerns there. Because even if Louisville lost 1370 01:09:42,819 --> 01:09:46,770 some pieces off of that roster. You know, they they gain a new 1371 01:09:46,770 --> 01:09:50,010 coach who's, you know, you know, I think overrated at this point. 1372 01:09:50,010 --> 01:09:53,170 Brahm is overrated. But I also think Louisville has 1373 01:09:53,170 --> 01:09:56,490 to feel fairly good about what they're coming into the season 1374 01:09:56,490 --> 01:09:59,530 with and it's it's just going to be interesting to see how 1375 01:09:59,530 --> 01:10:02,290 everything plays out. That's a Louisville team that's 1376 01:10:02,290 --> 01:10:05,050 that's really run the ball well the last couple of years. 1377 01:10:05,050 --> 01:10:07,130 I think better, certainly better than Indiana has. 1378 01:10:07,670 --> 01:10:11,990 And I just. I would not be shocked by any 1379 01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:13,710 outcome there. But at this point, I would pick 1380 01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:17,470 that as a Louisville victory. So that takes us to the Acrony 1381 01:10:17,470 --> 01:10:18,990 game. I do the same thing and the last 1382 01:10:18,990 --> 01:10:21,190 thing I'll say about that is I remember, I think the last time 1383 01:10:21,190 --> 01:10:23,590 got my memories. I'm 45 now, so my memory is, 1384 01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:26,390 going by my memory, the last time we played Lucas Oil was the 1385 01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:28,350 the Ball State game. Kevin Wilson's first game. 1386 01:10:28,350 --> 01:10:30,190 I believe that's the last time we played in Lucas Oil. 1387 01:10:30,270 --> 01:10:36,050 And no, no, no the balls. The Ball State game in 20. 20/19 1388 01:10:36,050 --> 01:10:37,730 was the last time we played at Lucas Oil. 1389 01:10:37,730 --> 01:10:39,650 That was the There you go. Yeah so there you go. 1390 01:10:40,210 --> 01:10:44,730 But but I the the so the one the Kevin Wilson game that that 1391 01:10:44,730 --> 01:10:48,450 first year the win with Wilson year I just remember that crowd 1392 01:10:48,450 --> 01:10:52,330 was was rough like it was became a very quick Ball State crowd. 1393 01:10:52,330 --> 01:10:54,450 We ended up losing that game but it was it was not like an 1394 01:10:54,450 --> 01:10:57,490 electric I U crowd. So I'm not sure that this is 1395 01:10:57,490 --> 01:11:00,090 going to be a great home field you know advantage even though 1396 01:11:00,090 --> 01:11:01,410 it's Indianapolis. So I I'm with you. 1397 01:11:01,410 --> 01:11:02,530 I think it's a loss to Louisville. 1398 01:11:03,190 --> 01:11:05,550 It's tough because there's going to be more Louisville fans in 1399 01:11:05,550 --> 01:11:08,070 there than there should be. And you know, it might be Purdue 1400 01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:09,950 fans there too, just wanting to, you know. 1401 01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:12,510 And I get that that was the original terms of the contract 1402 01:11:12,510 --> 01:11:13,830 and all that. We're going to do a neutral site 1403 01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:15,830 game and then home in a way. Although now it looks like any 1404 01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:17,670 guys going to cancel their home game because they want to get 1405 01:11:17,670 --> 01:11:20,190 out of the series. And it's just like, man, this 1406 01:11:20,190 --> 01:11:24,190 was a wasted opportunity to play an easier opponent or play it in 1407 01:11:24,190 --> 01:11:26,670 Bloomington when you might have a little more of a home field 1408 01:11:26,670 --> 01:11:27,950 advantage. Because yeah, you're right. 1409 01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:30,950 Like the people that are going to show up are. 1410 01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:35,690 You know, it's it's going to be tough to galvanize a crowd in 1411 01:11:35,690 --> 01:11:38,490 that stadium for that kind of a game. 1412 01:11:38,490 --> 01:11:43,130 So Akron, the next game, we we talked about this. 1413 01:11:43,130 --> 01:11:45,490 I mean, Akron really looks bad on paper. 1414 01:11:45,850 --> 01:11:48,330 They could be better this year. It's hard to say. 1415 01:11:48,610 --> 01:11:51,330 But again, that's a game that Indiana has to win. 1416 01:11:51,730 --> 01:11:55,010 I would imagine they're going to win simply because you would 1417 01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:57,450 hope by that point they would have worked some things out. 1418 01:11:57,450 --> 01:11:59,450 So yeah, I've got them winning that game, which would have them 1419 01:11:59,450 --> 01:12:02,200 at 2:00 and 2:00 on the season. I as well have them beating 1420 01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,520 Akron for two and two. Let's go 500. 1421 01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,640 There you go. So then you hit the next game 1422 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,320 and this is Maryland. Maryland is an interesting case 1423 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:14,120 because Maryland obviously had a really good season last year and 1424 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:19,360 they they come in with some, you know, good projections. 1425 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:23,080 I guess you could say coming into the season they're, you 1426 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,680 know, they're they're 41st right now. 1427 01:12:26,590 --> 01:12:30,230 In PFF, which is right around where a bunch of other I U 1428 01:12:30,230 --> 01:12:32,510 opponents are. Louisville's 33rd, Wisconsin's 1429 01:12:32,510 --> 01:12:37,510 40th, Maryland's 41st, Purdue's 45th, Michigan State's 48th. 1430 01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:39,870 Like, that's where all those teams are in those projections. 1431 01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:44,950 Maryland, you know, you look at what they've got to do at the 1432 01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:47,870 beginning of the season, they have a much easier. 1433 01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:51,900 On ramp to the year than Indiana does, they play thousand, then 1434 01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:55,380 Charlotte, then Virginia, then they travel to Michigan State. 1435 01:12:55,580 --> 01:12:58,300 So there's a real good chance that that Maryland team could be 1436 01:12:58,300 --> 01:13:01,580 four and oh, going into that game against Indiana, which is 1437 01:13:01,580 --> 01:13:03,900 not ideal. You don't want them hosting a 1438 01:13:03,900 --> 01:13:07,460 game four and oh with a chance to win one more game and get 1439 01:13:07,460 --> 01:13:10,180 essentially like on the doorstep of bull eligibility. 1440 01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:12,660 But these are always close games. 1441 01:13:12,660 --> 01:13:15,580 I mean, it feels like Indiana and Maryland kind of just trade 1442 01:13:15,580 --> 01:13:20,130 punches historically. And, you know, I mean, obviously 1443 01:13:20,130 --> 01:13:25,250 Maryland bested Indiana last year and and the year before, 1444 01:13:25,370 --> 01:13:26,890 but both of those games were close. 1445 01:13:26,890 --> 01:13:31,770 I mean, in a in a sea of despair in 2021 at Maryland, Indiana 1446 01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:34,650 only lost by three points. They only lost by five points 1447 01:13:34,650 --> 01:13:36,850 last year. And then, you know, you go back 1448 01:13:36,850 --> 01:13:40,170 to some of those previous years, you know, they, they beat 1449 01:13:40,170 --> 01:13:43,690 Maryland handily in 2020. They beat them in 2019. 1450 01:13:44,170 --> 01:13:49,160 They beat them in 2018. They they lost by three in 2017. 1451 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,440 My point is like, these are always close games. 1452 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,080 I think Indiana's got a shot in this one. 1453 01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,920 If they can get their offense sorted by the time the game gets 1454 01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:01,840 going, and if their defense can do something to slow down Tackle 1455 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,760 Viola, they weren't really able to do either. 1456 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:05,320 They were. They were. 1457 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,000 The offense was okay last year. They just couldn't slow down the 1458 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,000 Maryland offense. And that's, I guess what 1459 01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:15,860 concerns me about this year is. If if they can't get steady 1460 01:14:15,860 --> 01:14:18,860 pressure, I just worry about their ability to make the stops 1461 01:14:18,860 --> 01:14:20,700 that they would need to actually win that game. 1462 01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:23,580 So I'm going to bug over the loss in this one unfortunately. 1463 01:14:24,420 --> 01:14:27,460 Yeah, I mean just real quick while we're here, I'm at the 1464 01:14:27,460 --> 01:14:32,300 macro view for me is you know if you're thinking I use going to 1465 01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:34,860 get five or six wins, this is going to be interesting like 1466 01:14:34,860 --> 01:14:36,820 most people are in kind of the three or four categories. 1467 01:14:36,820 --> 01:14:38,780 So it's kind of like where where you picking your where you 1468 01:14:38,780 --> 01:14:41,960 picking your spots. And so I'm just we'll get 1469 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,440 through each game specifically, but it's like you know you you I 1470 01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:48,640 get nervous picking at the end of the year because these I use 1471 01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,280 had a history of kind of just playing out the string. 1472 01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,960 I have a hit. I'm nervous about picking you 1473 01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,600 know Rd. games because we don't play well on the road. 1474 01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,520 And also kind of, you know we haven't played well at home 1475 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,600 really the Big 10 in a while either. 1476 01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,960 So you know, this looks like one of the the ones to pick up, but 1477 01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,180 as you mentioned, this is an offense that really can light it 1478 01:15:08,180 --> 01:15:11,060 up. Maryland's recently had our 1479 01:15:11,060 --> 01:15:12,980 number. I'm just not sure a defense can 1480 01:15:12,980 --> 01:15:18,660 hold up at this point and I'm not sure are you know, based on 1481 01:15:18,660 --> 01:15:23,620 the quarterback play it's very unlikely we're going to have 1482 01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:27,730 whoever the starter is, is going to have four like 4 game. 1483 01:15:27,770 --> 01:15:30,090 I I feel like this is where we might start monkeying with 1484 01:15:30,090 --> 01:15:31,770 quarterbacks. It's just it feels like this is 1485 01:15:31,770 --> 01:15:34,650 a spot where maybe we start trying some different things and 1486 01:15:34,650 --> 01:15:36,650 that may not be good with the I don't know. 1487 01:15:36,730 --> 01:15:38,930 So I'm going to chalk. This one up to a loss as well. 1488 01:15:39,770 --> 01:15:43,410 Next game on the schedule, I mean it's at Michigan that that 1489 01:15:43,410 --> 01:15:46,250 feels like it's going to be hurtful. 1490 01:15:46,770 --> 01:15:49,530 I think would be the way that I would put it and you know, and 1491 01:15:49,530 --> 01:15:51,730 it's it's funny there was a stat that came out I think it was 1492 01:15:51,730 --> 01:15:56,240 yesterday about how. Like Jim Harbaugh's lowest 1493 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,560 margin of victory against the Big 10 opponent over the course 1494 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,680 of his time at Michigan's been against Indiana where they only 1495 01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,880 have like an average margin of victory of 14. 1496 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,600 Which I mean that includes a bunch of games and includes that 1497 01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,960 game and was a 2017 that they lost in overtime. 1498 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:15,600 It includes, obviously, the the the win that Indiana had in 1499 01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,090 2020. You know, Indiana has has been, 1500 01:16:19,690 --> 01:16:21,650 they've kind of taken the competitiveness they used to 1501 01:16:21,650 --> 01:16:24,090 have in Ohio State games and they've applied it to Michigan 1502 01:16:24,090 --> 01:16:26,050 games. Michigan just looks so good this 1503 01:16:26,050 --> 01:16:29,170 year that it's hard to envision a scenario where Indiana's going 1504 01:16:29,170 --> 01:16:32,090 to walk into the big house and win something they haven't done 1505 01:16:32,130 --> 01:16:36,450 in literally decades. Like before you and I were born 1506 01:16:36,450 --> 01:16:37,970 was the last time they won there. 1507 01:16:38,250 --> 01:16:40,650 That does not feel like this is the time when that's going to 1508 01:16:40,650 --> 01:16:45,370 change. It's I I have a way different. 1509 01:16:45,370 --> 01:16:49,520 No, it's it's the only home game Michigan has in October. 1510 01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:55,120 They only have three home games after September 23rd, Indiana, 1511 01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,000 Purdue and Ohio State. So obviously the Ohio State game 1512 01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,880 is going to be a pretty hot ticket, but it's just there's 1513 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,040 not a lot of home games for Michigan throughout the year. 1514 01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,040 So they're they're going to live it up. 1515 01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,320 They're going to get excited. The only thing you can hope is 1516 01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,640 they're coming off of two Rd. games, Nebraska, Minnesota, and 1517 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,520 they're playing at Michigan State the week after. 1518 01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,720 Maybe, maybe there's a bit of a trap. 1519 01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,840 But even if there is a trap, I still think Michigan could wake 1520 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,840 up in the third quarter of like, Oh yeah, we got to win this game 1521 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,240 and then we'll play Michigan State and I yeah, we're going to 1522 01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:22,200 lose. So next. 1523 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,480 Next game is Rutgers. This is an interesting one. 1524 01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:27,640 Rutgers is ranked ahead of Indiana and the PFF rankings. 1525 01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,120 I think there are records like 71st or something like that. 1526 01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,320 What are they, 7078? Sorry. 1527 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,480 At Indiana goes in ranked 91st, but according to FPI, which is 1528 01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:41,400 ESPN's analytics projector, Indiana actually is a 61% chance 1529 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,280 of victory in this. Which is actually kind of 1530 01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,240 disappointing given that, you know, Rutgers only won one game 1531 01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,560 in the Big 10 all last year and this is a road game. 1532 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,360 The problem is the one game they won was against Indiana, and 1533 01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,720 that was a galling game. People have forgotten how 1534 01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,320 annoying that game was. Indiana took 14. 1535 01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:02,130 Nothing in the first quarter. And and then lost that game 1536 01:18:02,130 --> 01:18:06,490 because they they could not keep Rutgers from from scoring points 1537 01:18:06,490 --> 01:18:10,770 and and only scored three points themselves afterwards And so man 1538 01:18:10,770 --> 01:18:13,490 you look at Rutgers I mean they just there's and this is the I 1539 01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:15,730 think probably the thing that annoyed me the most about last 1540 01:18:15,730 --> 01:18:19,570 year Rutgers was so bad in the Big 10. 1541 01:18:19,570 --> 01:18:26,150 Here was Rutgers point totals last year 10/10/13. 24 in a win 1542 01:18:26,150 --> 01:18:33,350 against Indiana 01721100 and the zeros you know didn't come 1543 01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:36,230 against you know the the the cream of the crop in the Big 10 1544 01:18:36,230 --> 01:18:40,430 they got skunked 31 nothing by Minnesota and they got skunk 37 1545 01:18:40,430 --> 01:18:44,900 nothing by Maryland and. You know, I I think Indiana's 1546 01:18:44,900 --> 01:18:48,700 going to win this game, but I would frankly, Scott, not be 1547 01:18:48,700 --> 01:18:52,740 shocked if they lost the game. Because for whatever reason, 1548 01:18:52,940 --> 01:18:55,820 Indiana just doesn't seem to take Rutgers as seriously as 1549 01:18:55,820 --> 01:19:00,140 they need to and other teams do. And so you end up in games like 1550 01:19:00,140 --> 01:19:02,620 this where it's like you should win this game. 1551 01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:05,580 Rutgers is you. You're bad, but you're probably 1552 01:19:05,580 --> 01:19:07,460 not Rutgers bad in terms of talent. 1553 01:19:07,940 --> 01:19:11,340 But Rutgers has found ways to beat you, and that's that's just 1554 01:19:11,340 --> 01:19:14,380 not acceptable if you're going to be competitive in the Big 10. 1555 01:19:15,340 --> 01:19:18,620 The way they won, the way that Rutgers won last year really 1556 01:19:18,620 --> 01:19:22,180 concerns, because they they took a huge punch and just didn't 1557 01:19:22,180 --> 01:19:24,740 seem to be affected by it at all, when they could have easily 1558 01:19:24,980 --> 01:19:27,670 just rolled over. I also don't like the last two 1559 01:19:27,670 --> 01:19:28,950 years. This team has not had a good 1560 01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:30,750 history of. We kind of have these games 1561 01:19:30,750 --> 01:19:32,470 circled where it's like, all right, well, we'll be able to 1562 01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:33,510 get the right man. It's homecoming. 1563 01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:34,670 It's Rutgers. It's like they're not good. 1564 01:19:34,670 --> 01:19:38,110 And like, we don't show up well for those games where it's like, 1565 01:19:38,270 --> 01:19:40,230 that's gonna be our chance for a win. 1566 01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:42,470 We kind of show up in those, like, Illinois games where it's 1567 01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:43,190 like, what? What? 1568 01:19:43,190 --> 01:19:45,510 Wait, we're gonna beat Illinois? Illinois, actually, It's pretty 1569 01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:47,740 good. Those are all the things. 1570 01:19:48,020 --> 01:19:50,460 Again, it's gonna be a team on vibes. 1571 01:19:50,460 --> 01:19:52,980 I'm gonna be a podcaster on vibes, like my vibes are. 1572 01:19:53,140 --> 01:19:54,380 Those are all things that concern me. 1573 01:19:54,380 --> 01:19:56,220 And there's something by cough brought up I thought was an 1574 01:19:56,220 --> 01:20:01,150 interesting point about the the lack of crowds IN2020I disagree. 1575 01:20:01,150 --> 01:20:03,070 I still think that game against Michigan we were the better 1576 01:20:03,070 --> 01:20:04,270 team. We're pushing him around. 1577 01:20:04,270 --> 01:20:07,550 But his take was that you know enough I U fans have seen games 1578 01:20:07,550 --> 01:20:09,910 against Michigan that had fans been there, you would have kind 1579 01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:14,030 of gotten that, you know, early Red Sox 2000s crowd or the Cubs 1580 01:20:14,030 --> 01:20:16,670 crowd before they won. Kind of that like the crowd vibe 1581 01:20:16,670 --> 01:20:18,350 where it's like everyone just knows it's going to happen. 1582 01:20:18,350 --> 01:20:21,590 And that's my fear here, too, is that a fan base is like, all 1583 01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:25,390 right, well, Rutgers is our last glimmer for a real Big 10 win. 1584 01:20:25,470 --> 01:20:27,630 And then, you know, suddenly at 1714. 1585 01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:29,990 And we throw a pick or something and then it's like the whole 1586 01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:33,510 crowd is like, oh, come on And you can just feel that crowd 1587 01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:35,510 give up and that those are all the things that concern me. 1588 01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:38,310 And so I I I see Rutgers winning this game. 1589 01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:39,870 Wow. Well. 1590 01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,040 I I don't. I thought about that. 1591 01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:44,800 I didn't do it, but I thought about it. 1592 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:49,560 So next game at Penn State this is sent. 1593 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:50,800 I mean, it's not going to happen. 1594 01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:52,680 We'll just move on. We don't play Penn State. 1595 01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:56,120 Well, Wisconsin at home. This is one that initially I 1596 01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,600 circled on the calendar as I guess could be a game that 1597 01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:04,080 Indiana could compete in. FBI's got Wisconsin as a 75.5% 1598 01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:07,820 favored. In this game, Wisconsin's kind 1599 01:21:07,820 --> 01:21:10,060 of an interesting spot because they're they got a brand new 1600 01:21:10,060 --> 01:21:15,380 offense that they're running. They've got, you know, prior to 1601 01:21:15,380 --> 01:21:18,940 the week before this game. And really if you look at their 1602 01:21:18,940 --> 01:21:23,020 schedule overall, like they have a cream puff schedule, all 1603 01:21:23,020 --> 01:21:26,100 things considered, outside of 1 game, they here's them. 1604 01:21:26,100 --> 01:21:29,860 I read Wisconsin schedule for you, Buffalo at Washington 1605 01:21:29,860 --> 01:21:33,000 State, Georgia Southern. At Purdue. 1606 01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:34,560 Rutgers. Iowa. 1607 01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,200 At Illinois. Ohio State. 1608 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:37,720 At Indiana. Northwestern. 1609 01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,360 Nebraska. At Minnesota. 1610 01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,320 Like, they've got two games that I would be worried about if I 1611 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,440 was Luke Fickle. That Illinois game and then the 1612 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,440 the game against Indiana. No, I'm kidding. 1613 01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:49,960 The game, The game at Ohio. At home against Ohio State. 1614 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,120 But it's a home game, you know? So this is a Wisconsin team that 1615 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:56,360 legitimately, by the time they play Indiana, could be 7:00 and 1616 01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,800 1:00 or 8:00. No, we'll probably have all the 1617 01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,880 kinks worked out of their offense. 1618 01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:05,680 It's I think in a in a different reality, this is a game Indiana 1619 01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:06,880 might have been able to compete in. 1620 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,440 It's really hard to see a route forward given the relative 1621 01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:12,920 talent disparity on normal times. 1622 01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,400 And unlike what happened in 2020, Indiana does not have the 1623 01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,600 good vibes rolling for them this season. 1624 01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,800 So I again, I think this is unfortunately a loss for this 1625 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,920 team. I have Indiana going into this 1626 01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:26,960 game at 2:00 and 6:00. You would have them at 3:00 and 1627 01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:28,960 5:00. Either way it's not awesome. 1628 01:22:29,660 --> 01:22:32,540 Vibes would be off and we haven't played Wisconsin in a 1629 01:22:32,540 --> 01:22:34,540 couple of years. We haven't had Wisconsin in in 1630 01:22:34,540 --> 01:22:36,860 Memorial Stadium in a while. You know, our our younger 1631 01:22:36,860 --> 01:22:39,620 listeners, maybe the college listeners, this will be a good, 1632 01:22:40,140 --> 01:22:43,420 a good introduction to you think it's bad against Ohio State and 1633 01:22:43,420 --> 01:22:45,100 like you're like, man, we play bad against Penn State. 1634 01:22:45,100 --> 01:22:48,820 It's like no, no. Like Wisconsin has a special 1635 01:22:48,820 --> 01:22:52,780 voodoo over us that maybe no other team like Ohio State kicks 1636 01:22:52,780 --> 01:22:54,500 the snot out of us. But they are also just 1637 01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:57,940 ridiculously good. Like, Wisconsin beats us to a 1638 01:22:57,940 --> 01:23:01,260 point that is absurd to They're not good enough to beat us the 1639 01:23:01,260 --> 01:23:06,340 way they do, but they do. This is going to be a loss. 1640 01:23:07,140 --> 01:23:09,540 Next game for Indiana, They're at Illinois. 1641 01:23:09,540 --> 01:23:11,500 This is a game. This is a place Indiana's played 1642 01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:12,900 well at. They've won, I think the last 1643 01:23:12,900 --> 01:23:17,380 couple of games there. And you know, Illinois, this is 1644 01:23:17,380 --> 01:23:19,820 another one of those games, like Indiana's got this run of games 1645 01:23:19,820 --> 01:23:24,220 at the end of the year where? You know, the like FBI looks at 1646 01:23:24,220 --> 01:23:27,860 them and says, well, you've got kind of a one in four chance of 1647 01:23:27,860 --> 01:23:29,980 winning this game. And if you look at it from an 1648 01:23:29,980 --> 01:23:32,740 accrual perspective, it's like these last four Wisconsin, 1649 01:23:32,740 --> 01:23:36,620 Illinois, Michigan State, Indiana or Purdue. 1650 01:23:37,420 --> 01:23:40,020 A1 in four chance with four games, you would hope that that 1651 01:23:40,020 --> 01:23:41,820 would mean what we're going to win one out of the four. 1652 01:23:42,020 --> 01:23:45,020 That's not how I I learned. I I had to learn this much later 1653 01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:46,780 because I didn't do well in math class. 1654 01:23:46,780 --> 01:23:48,820 But apparently that's not how odds actually work. 1655 01:23:48,820 --> 01:23:50,900 Scott. This is another one where 1656 01:23:51,140 --> 01:23:54,860 Illinois looks like a team that could be a regression candidate. 1657 01:23:54,860 --> 01:23:57,460 They lost four out of their last five last year. 1658 01:23:58,180 --> 01:24:00,260 They only win that they had in those last five was against 1659 01:24:00,260 --> 01:24:02,980 Northwestern, which was not a challenge at that point. 1660 01:24:03,820 --> 01:24:05,900 They they lost to Indiana, obviously, although that was 1661 01:24:05,900 --> 01:24:08,920 early on in the year. Lot of people think that this 1662 01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,720 team is going to be better than it was last year and there's 1663 01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,920 certainly an argument for that given that Brett B Lima will 1664 01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,240 have had a full year to even more completely implemented 1665 01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:24,080 system. I I feel like if Indiana had 1666 01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,160 played Illinois at any other point last year than the first 1667 01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,240 game, they probably would have lost to Illinois and 1668 01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,120 unfortunately they're not playing them in the first game 1669 01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,080 this year. So I would, I would say that 1670 01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,880 this is again a game that I would pick the opposition in as 1671 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,440 opposed to Indiana these last three games and we're doing them 1672 01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:40,480 one at a time. But these last three all kind of 1673 01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:43,640 fall into that category that we had at the end of the year last 1674 01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,320 year with with Rutgers, Maryland and Michigan State where we were 1675 01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:48,800 pretty gamey and all three of them. 1676 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,920 And then you know things broke right for us when we won at 1677 01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,560 Michigan State. I think all three of these are 1678 01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,840 going to be in that same category. 1679 01:24:55,970 --> 01:24:59,330 And so I could see us, you know you would say maybe we'll win 1680 01:24:59,330 --> 01:25:02,330 two out of three in a in a different world. 1681 01:25:02,330 --> 01:25:04,930 You mentioned the very top of the pod kind of going in and 1682 01:25:04,930 --> 01:25:08,130 you're becoming more optimistic. I think under more normal 1683 01:25:08,130 --> 01:25:10,330 circumstances I would have looked at these three and been 1684 01:25:10,330 --> 01:25:13,810 like here's what we're going to finish off with three wins and 1685 01:25:13,810 --> 01:25:15,890 that's going to get us to 5:00 and 7:00 and it's going to be 1686 01:25:15,890 --> 01:25:18,010 like wow we really finished off strong and we're going to have a 1687 01:25:18,010 --> 01:25:20,690 lot of momentum going in the next year like that that's this 1688 01:25:20,690 --> 01:25:23,250 is where normally that's what I would come up with. 1689 01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:29,200 I I again of all the reasons we mentioned earlier I'm I I just 1690 01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:31,800 feel rightly more pessimistic than in the past. 1691 01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,760 I I don't I think they can go win at Illinois. 1692 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,280 I really do. And in you know this is where 1693 01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:39,800 you you beat them last year obviously. 1694 01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,280 So you know you can do it. Illinois is not like a House of 1695 01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,520 horrors. It's not a tough place to play 1696 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,000 all of those things said I'm just I don't I don't think we're 1697 01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,360 going to win. So I gave us another loss. 1698 01:25:51,580 --> 01:25:54,420 And and one thing to note, Illinois again looking at the 1699 01:25:54,420 --> 01:25:56,500 projections is going to be good this year. 1700 01:25:56,500 --> 01:26:00,780 Like their their PFF projection going into the season is 23rd, 1701 01:26:00,780 --> 01:26:03,020 which is they're tied with Florida. 1702 01:26:03,340 --> 01:26:05,540 They're just ahead of Washington, who you know some 1703 01:26:05,540 --> 01:26:07,620 people look at it as a dark horse playoff team. 1704 01:26:08,140 --> 01:26:11,300 They're ahead of Iowa. So I mean that's that's that's a 1705 01:26:11,300 --> 01:26:12,980 team that I think is legitimately going to be good. 1706 01:26:13,140 --> 01:26:15,540 Two more games to go on the schedule for I U. 1707 01:26:16,170 --> 01:26:19,570 Michigan State at home. So this is a game that a lot of 1708 01:26:19,570 --> 01:26:21,810 people have circled is like a game Indiana's going to win. 1709 01:26:22,490 --> 01:26:23,970 They beat Michigan State last year. 1710 01:26:23,970 --> 01:26:27,810 Obviously Michigan State had a terrible, terrible offseason. 1711 01:26:28,130 --> 01:26:30,690 You know, their their quarterback transferred out that 1712 01:26:30,690 --> 01:26:32,730 they've lost a lot of players. There's a lot of uncertainty 1713 01:26:32,730 --> 01:26:36,250 around Mel Tucker. And yet, with all of that, and 1714 01:26:36,250 --> 01:26:39,170 with FBI knowing that those players aren't on the roster, 1715 01:26:39,330 --> 01:26:44,290 they are still a 66% chance to win in Bloomington and. 1716 01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,560 You got to go back a long way to find a lot of consecutive 1717 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:52,560 Indiana wins in the Indiana, Michigan State series, you know, 1718 01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:57,720 and honestly when Michigan State is down, they they have 1719 01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,880 generally found a way to pick themselves back up again. 1720 01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,360 Now this is a tough one for them, but they may have some 1721 01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,800 momentum like going into the last quarter of the season 1722 01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,560 because you know, they've got two really easy games to start 1723 01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,160 with. They get Maryland at home. 1724 01:27:12,530 --> 01:27:14,010 They have a road game at Rutgers. 1725 01:27:14,010 --> 01:27:15,690 They have Nebraska at home. I mean, they've got some 1726 01:27:15,690 --> 01:27:18,210 winnable games like they're going to be again battling, I 1727 01:27:18,210 --> 01:27:20,050 think, for bowl eligibility at this point. 1728 01:27:20,330 --> 01:27:23,090 And I have a hard time thinking that they're not going to have 1729 01:27:23,090 --> 01:27:26,050 some negative memories of that game that they lost at home last 1730 01:27:26,050 --> 01:27:28,890 year with the idea they're going to go in and get some revenge. 1731 01:27:28,890 --> 01:27:31,130 And so I know it's been a trendy pick. 1732 01:27:31,130 --> 01:27:33,210 I talked about it as a game Indiana could win. 1733 01:27:33,370 --> 01:27:36,090 But much like you pick Rutgers to beat Indiana, I'm going to 1734 01:27:36,090 --> 01:27:38,450 pick Michigan State to be Indiana in this one. 1735 01:27:39,150 --> 01:27:41,670 To me, this is more about Michigan State than Indiana on 1736 01:27:41,670 --> 01:27:44,350 this one. Like it is Michigan State going 1737 01:27:44,350 --> 01:27:46,750 to have a good. You know that they're in a Mel 1738 01:27:46,750 --> 01:27:49,110 Tucker's got some questions to answer to and his fan base. 1739 01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:52,430 But like if they're going to kind of fall apart like they did 1740 01:27:52,430 --> 01:27:54,550 last year, I think this is a very winnable game. 1741 01:27:55,070 --> 01:27:57,070 You know they have a tough they they you know they have 1742 01:27:57,070 --> 01:27:59,860 Washington at home. You know they're they're going 1743 01:27:59,860 --> 01:28:02,380 to Iowa, they're going to Minnesota playing at Ohio State 1744 01:28:02,380 --> 01:28:04,420 the week before this game. You know they they have a tough 1745 01:28:04,420 --> 01:28:06,140 Rd. There's a world where maybe 1746 01:28:06,140 --> 01:28:09,380 Michigan states or Michigan State is out of bowl eligibility 1747 01:28:09,380 --> 01:28:11,660 going into this game and it's like they've just packed it up 1748 01:28:11,940 --> 01:28:14,820 like they've done last year and maybe the if it comes one that 1749 01:28:14,820 --> 01:28:17,660 we can grab. I I don't think that's the case 1750 01:28:17,700 --> 01:28:22,810 and like you it's just in previous years I would have been 1751 01:28:22,810 --> 01:28:24,650 for a three-game winning streak to end this. 1752 01:28:24,690 --> 01:28:27,090 I just don't see this. And again, I think this is where 1753 01:28:27,090 --> 01:28:30,530 we get into the fallacy of oh there's a home game or a home 1754 01:28:30,530 --> 01:28:33,410 game against the non Ohio State, Penn State team that's going to 1755 01:28:33,410 --> 01:28:34,770 where we're going to get our win. 1756 01:28:35,730 --> 01:28:38,370 I I don't see it. So I'm going to continue us. 1757 01:28:38,370 --> 01:28:40,530 We're at. We are still at two wins on my 1758 01:28:40,530 --> 01:28:43,290 board. And then the last game of the 1759 01:28:43,290 --> 01:28:48,170 year, Purdue at Purdue, 65% winning chance for Purdue in 1760 01:28:48,170 --> 01:28:53,130 this game. I mean, look, ultimately it's 1761 01:28:53,130 --> 01:28:56,650 tough to look at Purdue and I mean they had it. 1762 01:28:56,650 --> 01:28:58,930 They ended up with a very successful season last year. 1763 01:28:58,930 --> 01:29:02,490 They made the Big 10 title game, which was very irksome on a 1764 01:29:02,490 --> 01:29:05,490 number of levels. And you know, they, they beat 1765 01:29:05,490 --> 01:29:07,610 Indiana. You know, I mean, this is, you 1766 01:29:07,610 --> 01:29:09,650 know, you would have thought Indiana would have won the game, 1767 01:29:09,810 --> 01:29:11,570 you know, based on how people talk about the game. 1768 01:29:11,570 --> 01:29:14,370 But I'm looking at the score right now pretty 1 by 14. 1769 01:29:16,020 --> 01:29:20,860 I if I'm Purdue, if I'm a Purdue fan right now, I'm really scared 1770 01:29:21,100 --> 01:29:25,780 about what's going to happen with their program because, you 1771 01:29:25,780 --> 01:29:28,100 know, they hire this up and coming coach who's never been a 1772 01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:30,020 head coach at the college level before. 1773 01:29:30,100 --> 01:29:32,220 Yes, he was a very good defensive coordinator. 1774 01:29:32,220 --> 01:29:35,340 But you know, something we've talked about on this show with 1775 01:29:35,340 --> 01:29:38,580 Indiana I think applies to Purdue as well, which is that 1776 01:29:38,580 --> 01:29:43,860 Purdue is not a program that handles inexperienced head 1777 01:29:43,860 --> 01:29:48,610 coaches particularly well. And we we saw it in the in the 1778 01:29:48,610 --> 01:29:50,970 20 tens. We saw it in the late, you know 1779 01:29:50,970 --> 01:29:54,890 the post Joe Tiller era. They they are best in the hands 1780 01:29:54,890 --> 01:29:57,130 of coaches who have already kind of figured out how to run a 1781 01:29:57,130 --> 01:30:00,290 program. And they also have a 1782 01:30:00,290 --> 01:30:04,090 schizophrenic offensive defensive pairing, with Graham 1783 01:30:04,090 --> 01:30:07,090 Harrell as their offensive coordinator but a defensive 1784 01:30:07,090 --> 01:30:11,280 minded head coach. Now that said Purdue has another 1785 01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,200 pretty easy schedule. They do have to play Ohio State 1786 01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,440 shock and horror you know but that but they get you know that 1787 01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:21,840 that Charmin soft big 10 W schedule to go up against again 1788 01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,320 you know I think Purdue's got that they're they're clearly not 1789 01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:29,240 going to be as good as they have been and I could probably see 1790 01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:35,200 them going into this game with five losses maybe even 6 losses 1791 01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:40,470 but. I've yet to see anything out of 1792 01:30:40,470 --> 01:30:44,070 I U, because we haven't seen anything period at this point. 1793 01:30:44,230 --> 01:30:46,590 But even over the last few years that would lead you to believe 1794 01:30:46,590 --> 01:30:50,870 that Purdue will be worse than Indiana in terms of preparation, 1795 01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:54,230 in terms of discipline. So I would really be concerned 1796 01:30:54,230 --> 01:30:57,270 at this point about I use ability to go into Ross Aid 1797 01:30:57,270 --> 01:31:00,350 Stadium and win a game. So I again, I'm going to pick, 1798 01:31:00,350 --> 01:31:02,870 I'm going to have to pick Purdue in this, as much as I hate to 1799 01:31:02,870 --> 01:31:06,270 say it, giving us a three and nine record as far as my 1800 01:31:06,270 --> 01:31:09,770 projections are concerned. So everything you met one of 1801 01:31:09,770 --> 01:31:11,930 your podcasts is not even with Taylor like this. 1802 01:31:11,930 --> 01:31:15,610 The line that stuck with me was like Illinois defensive 1803 01:31:15,610 --> 01:31:17,770 coordinators is not where you go to higher head coaches or 1804 01:31:17,770 --> 01:31:19,410 something along those lines. So it's wild. 1805 01:31:19,570 --> 01:31:22,650 It's it's within, it's not within conference. 1806 01:31:22,650 --> 01:31:26,530 It's within division. It's it's a pretty wild coaching 1807 01:31:26,530 --> 01:31:28,730 change. He has a different philosophy 1808 01:31:28,730 --> 01:31:31,130 like they've been, you know the cradle of quarterbacks and 1809 01:31:31,130 --> 01:31:37,140 offense and and outside of, you know Jeff Braun, even Braun's 1810 01:31:37,140 --> 01:31:39,900 like a seven wins his first year it was it was tough to get 1811 01:31:39,900 --> 01:31:42,380 there. You know Purdue has also been 1812 01:31:42,380 --> 01:31:44,820 like I you. When they have this kind of 1813 01:31:44,820 --> 01:31:48,500 massive shift change in coach, it's a real struggle. 1814 01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:51,140 They go 1:00 and 11:00, they have a really tough year. 1815 01:31:52,460 --> 01:31:55,780 That's what I'm thinking you're going to see out of Purdue this 1816 01:31:55,780 --> 01:31:59,980 year And so you and I took different routes to get there. 1817 01:32:00,900 --> 01:32:03,420 I and you know this is where again it's like it it is true 1818 01:32:03,420 --> 01:32:05,020 like the bucket game is always weird. 1819 01:32:05,060 --> 01:32:08,460 And I I think this is going to be two teams that are just both, 1820 01:32:08,820 --> 01:32:10,980 you know probably searching for their third win of the year. 1821 01:32:10,980 --> 01:32:13,460 But I I'm going to pick I U to win this, this game. 1822 01:32:14,380 --> 01:32:15,980 Yeah. So I have us at 3:00 and I think 1823 01:32:15,980 --> 01:32:19,060 we're going to win it Purdue because I again, I I looked I 1824 01:32:19,060 --> 01:32:21,340 think three wins. I kind of backward designed it. 1825 01:32:21,340 --> 01:32:23,500 I think three wins is going to be where we're going to finish 1826 01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:24,540 off. So it's like where are you going 1827 01:32:24,540 --> 01:32:28,320 to find the one big 10 win? Like I said, it's just I I 1828 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,240 didn't think we we don't normally get it early and and I 1829 01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:37,240 will say this, when you do look at you know 2020, sorry 2021 1830 01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,600 that the team definitely checked out but you do have to give 1831 01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:44,480 credit to 20/20/20. Scott, years are tough. 2022 1832 01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:47,550 last season, you know Maryland game, the Rutgers game, the 1833 01:32:47,550 --> 01:32:50,670 Michigan State game, even the, you know the 1st 25 minutes of 1834 01:32:50,670 --> 01:32:54,790 the Purdue game, you know that team stayed locked in when there 1835 01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:57,590 were losses mounting when things were not going well. 1836 01:32:58,230 --> 01:33:02,700 So going off of recent history, I don't see this team checking 1837 01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:04,660 out. By the time we get to Purdue, I 1838 01:33:04,660 --> 01:33:07,020 have to hope that we see the same thing we saw last year. 1839 01:33:07,140 --> 01:33:08,820 The team is still locked in. I think they are. 1840 01:33:09,060 --> 01:33:12,660 I think that there might be more stability at I U right now than 1841 01:33:12,660 --> 01:33:15,620 there is at Purdue, even amid all the changes, even though we 1842 01:33:15,620 --> 01:33:18,900 had more, you know, snaps lost than Purdue did. 1843 01:33:20,620 --> 01:33:22,340 I should stop talking because maybe we don't have much 1844 01:33:22,380 --> 01:33:25,340 stability, but I'm going to pick for I U to win here because I 1845 01:33:25,340 --> 01:33:27,180 just, I'm not picking it. I'm just not going to. 1846 01:33:27,220 --> 01:33:30,260 I'm not, I'm not optimistic. I'm not going to be too intent. 1847 01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:32,030 Pessimistic I'm going three and nine. 1848 01:33:32,030 --> 01:33:37,390 I'm picking the Purdue. I mean it's weird in that you 1849 01:33:37,390 --> 01:33:39,550 know Indiana you think you can make an argument has had more 1850 01:33:39,550 --> 01:33:43,830 luck at Ross Aid than they've had it at at Memorial Stadium 1851 01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:45,870 when they played Purdue over the course of time. 1852 01:33:45,870 --> 01:33:50,070 It's a it's an odd phenomenon but you know I mean even you go 1853 01:33:50,070 --> 01:33:51,790 back obviously. You know this. 1854 01:33:51,950 --> 01:33:53,550 This last year, Indiana struggled. 1855 01:33:54,150 --> 01:33:57,270 The game at Purdue in 2021 was awful, but. 1856 01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,640 You know, go back 2019, I mean they they did win that game at 1857 01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:05,120 Purdue after losing at home to Purdue the previous year in a 1858 01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:06,800 game that would have taken them to a bowl. 1859 01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:10,320 So I don't know. I mean, I maybe, maybe Indiana 1860 01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,400 does play better in a situation where they don't feel the 1861 01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:17,240 pressure of their own crowd. It's a weird series. 1862 01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:20,400 It always is. I just, I at this point, I 1863 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,360 think, you know, Allen's got to prove that he can win those 1864 01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,720 types of games more regularly. That's probably. 1865 01:34:26,730 --> 01:34:29,330 You know, outside of the six wins in two years thing, that's 1866 01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:31,690 probably the worst thing on his resume at this point is, is the 1867 01:34:31,690 --> 01:34:35,770 lack of of success against Purdue in seasons where 1868 01:34:35,770 --> 01:34:38,330 otherwise there was not a whole lot of other success to point 1869 01:34:38,330 --> 01:34:40,250 to. I mean, that's that's where we 1870 01:34:40,250 --> 01:34:43,130 really need to see in a season. If you're going to win three 1871 01:34:43,130 --> 01:34:46,810 games, four games, somewhere in that range, beating Purdue when 1872 01:34:46,810 --> 01:34:49,810 they're in a transition year would help to. 1873 01:34:50,900 --> 01:34:54,060 At least have some good feelings going into the offseason. 1874 01:34:54,220 --> 01:34:56,780 Well, not not getting too big. Like, you know, we're probably 1875 01:34:56,780 --> 01:34:58,580 not going to go to a bowl this year or probably not going to 1876 01:34:58,580 --> 01:35:00,620 win a bowl this year or probably we're not going to win the Big 1877 01:35:00,620 --> 01:35:02,900 10 this year. You know, I I don't know this is 1878 01:35:02,900 --> 01:35:04,980 the year we get the scalp where we beat Ohio State. 1879 01:35:04,980 --> 01:35:06,460 You know, Michigan or Penn State. 1880 01:35:06,460 --> 01:35:09,020 But you know this is where if you're going to have small 1881 01:35:09,020 --> 01:35:11,380 victories and start clogging your way back up like winning 1882 01:35:11,380 --> 01:35:12,980 the bucket game is that's something. 1883 01:35:12,980 --> 01:35:16,500 I mean that's that, you know, at least, you know in our two 1884 01:35:16,500 --> 01:35:18,860 scenarios I like my season better. 1885 01:35:18,860 --> 01:35:20,860 You have a You have a home win against like. 1886 01:35:20,940 --> 01:35:24,020 To me, it's like you have a ton of losing, but you beat Purdue. 1887 01:35:24,020 --> 01:35:25,700 You win the bucket. It's like you still finish the 1888 01:35:25,700 --> 01:35:27,380 same way. It does suck that you go from 1889 01:35:27,380 --> 01:35:30,020 September 23rd. I mean to November 25th in my 1890 01:35:30,020 --> 01:35:32,020 world, but it's like you still have a bucket win like this is 1891 01:35:32,060 --> 01:35:35,020 where Maya does matter. To quote Norman Dale, my my 1892 01:35:35,020 --> 01:35:38,180 season projections are not designed for your enjoyment, OK? 1893 01:35:38,660 --> 01:35:41,780 I just call them like I say. No, you're right though I given 1894 01:35:41,780 --> 01:35:43,820 the choice of. We're going to beat Rutgers at 1895 01:35:43,820 --> 01:35:46,260 home and go 3:00 and 9:00 and the other two wins are going to 1896 01:35:46,260 --> 01:35:49,580 be Akron IN state versus your scenario where, hey, we're going 1897 01:35:49,580 --> 01:35:53,220 to be we're going to beat State Rutger and then and then we're 1898 01:35:53,220 --> 01:35:55,820 going to be Purdue on the road. Yes, that's absolutely a more 1899 01:35:55,820 --> 01:35:59,900 successful season. These things matter. 1900 01:35:59,940 --> 01:36:02,140 Like, I mean this, these little things matter like this. 1901 01:36:02,140 --> 01:36:04,380 It's a this is all we're going to have. 1902 01:36:04,380 --> 01:36:06,700 Like we're not, you know, we're not going to win the Big 10 at 1903 01:36:06,700 --> 01:36:09,440 any time in our near future. You know, we're we're not, like 1904 01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:11,240 I said, bowls probably not going to happen this year. 1905 01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:13,520 But you know, this is an attainable goal, right? 1906 01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,840 Purdue is, Purdue is gettable. Even if they have, even if they 1907 01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,440 have a nice little two or three-game run, like Purdue is 1908 01:36:18,440 --> 01:36:20,600 not going to be an unattainable team this year. 1909 01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:24,200 So go in the bucket and you know, I'll end on trying on this 1910 01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,720 positive note, something you've mentioned many times, that, you 1911 01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,680 know, we're both pessimistic because we're both just it's we 1912 01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:34,040 we've been fans for a while and there's not a lot to go on as 1913 01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,320 we've talked about ad nauseam and all these previews. 1914 01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:43,230 But all of that said, you know, at Maryland, home to Rutgers, at 1915 01:36:43,230 --> 01:36:47,270 Illinois, you know, home to Michigan State, Purdue, those 1916 01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:49,990 are all five, like legitimately winnable games. 1917 01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:51,750 I don't think we're going, I think we're going to win one of 1918 01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:54,470 the four of them. But that's that's five winnable 1919 01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:58,110 games and you have two must win games. 1920 01:36:58,390 --> 01:37:00,840 You know, that's seven. There you go. 1921 01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:02,400 Like, now you're going to are you going to get them all? 1922 01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:03,640 No. But if you get, you know, four 1923 01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:05,880 of the five and you get the two and you're at six, like there 1924 01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,400 maybe in Louisville's, it's not like Louisville's Ohio State. 1925 01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,880 You're like there's a, I don't want to say there's a world you 1926 01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:13,360 can get there because I don't think there is. 1927 01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,440 But these are none of these are all like that. 1928 01:37:16,440 --> 01:37:19,000 They're not unwinnable games. And that's the thing I think 1929 01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,440 that, you know, when you talk about expectations, like that's 1930 01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:23,440 what we should be looking at this year is like, I just want 1931 01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:26,120 to make sure that we're having a puncher's chance in these games 1932 01:37:26,490 --> 01:37:30,170 and we're not getting, you know, boat raced in those five or six 1933 01:37:30,370 --> 01:37:33,730 winnable games. Yeah, but I mean, I hope you're 1934 01:37:33,730 --> 01:37:36,490 right and and look, no, I mean it's not, it's not a foregone 1935 01:37:36,490 --> 01:37:38,450 conclusion that they're they're going to have this tough of a 1936 01:37:38,450 --> 01:37:41,370 schedule or tough of a of an outcome in terms of things. 1937 01:37:41,370 --> 01:37:45,410 But I also will say something that you've said, which is that, 1938 01:37:46,330 --> 01:37:49,690 you know, after a while, I mean you've seen over the course of 1939 01:37:49,690 --> 01:37:52,850 Allen's tenure so many games where, yeah, they were in it, 1940 01:37:53,130 --> 01:37:55,130 but that's just college football. 1941 01:37:55,130 --> 01:37:58,700 It's like. It's it's hard to lose games by 1942 01:37:58,700 --> 01:38:01,500 double digits, just like it's hard to win games by double 1943 01:38:01,500 --> 01:38:04,980 digits, that the nature of the game kind of keeps teams close 1944 01:38:04,980 --> 01:38:07,540 together unless there's a clear talent disparity. 1945 01:38:08,860 --> 01:38:12,060 But the details are always the devil when it comes to Indiana. 1946 01:38:12,140 --> 01:38:15,660 And that's where I would get concerned about Indiana's 1947 01:38:15,660 --> 01:38:18,020 capabilities in terms of actually handling their business 1948 01:38:18,020 --> 01:38:19,660 in a lot of those games. And if they, you know, if they 1949 01:38:19,740 --> 01:38:22,300 have a string of losses where they're losing by 7 to 13 1950 01:38:22,300 --> 01:38:25,460 points, I think the time for moral victories is over. 1951 01:38:26,580 --> 01:38:28,300 You know, and it's been over for a long time. 1952 01:38:28,300 --> 01:38:31,300 Like at some point you got to, you got to execute again. 1953 01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:33,780 You executed, you know, four or five years ago, you had to 1954 01:38:33,780 --> 01:38:36,380 execute again. And I'm not seeing a whole lot 1955 01:38:36,380 --> 01:38:39,100 here that would give me optimism about that prospect. 1956 01:38:39,100 --> 01:38:42,220 So anyway, we've gone way too long, so we'll go ahead and wrap 1957 01:38:42,220 --> 01:38:48,140 things up again. We'll be back on Sunday to talk 1958 01:38:48,140 --> 01:38:50,460 about what happened in that Ohio State, Indiana game. 1959 01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:55,440 That kick offs at 3:30. You know we'll we always do this 1960 01:38:55,440 --> 01:38:57,600 every year if you're if you're new to Crimson cast and you've 1961 01:38:57,600 --> 01:38:59,600 made it through this entire podcast and you're listening to 1962 01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,160 this now hey you're in the right place clearly. 1963 01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:07,560 But we'll we'll be recapping what happened in the game and we 1964 01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:10,320 normally record that late Sunday morning and we have it out by 1965 01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:13,400 Sunday afternoon. So check that out if you've got 1966 01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:16,280 questions you can always well, you can still tweet us on or 1967 01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,800 access I don't know what the what the verb is there. 1968 01:39:19,370 --> 01:39:22,370 But go to substackcrimsoncast@substack.com. 1969 01:39:22,370 --> 01:39:24,730 That's the best place to catch up with us for things. 1970 01:39:25,170 --> 01:39:30,130 And otherwise we'll hope the Hoosiers completely outdo our 1971 01:39:30,130 --> 01:39:32,730 expectations and make us look foolish and make us apologize. 1972 01:39:32,930 --> 01:39:36,650 That would be the best possible scenario with all of this. 1973 01:39:36,650 --> 01:39:39,650 So my thanks to all you folks for listening in. 1974 01:39:40,410 --> 01:39:42,530 Thanks to our friends at the Back Home Network. 1975 01:39:42,770 --> 01:39:45,500 Thanks to Home Field. Are presenting sponsor on field 1976 01:39:45,500 --> 01:39:48,900 apparel that is thanks to you Scott and we will see what 1977 01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:52,900 happens this year is Indiana football starts another campaign 1978 01:39:53,260 --> 01:39:57,100 we will catch you folks on the flip side bring back the Bison. 1979 01:39:57,100 --> 01:39:57,820 So long, everybody.