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And now great chat with just 

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settles here on Crimson cast. 
Hi folks. 

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Welcome back to Crimson casts 
got here with you and it is an 

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honor a privilege to have 
somebody who I've watched in the

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Big Ten Network. 
I watched play in Assembly Hall 

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when I was growing up and going 
to college but we have just 

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settles at just settle hoop on 
Twitter. 

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Just man. 
How you doing. 

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I'm doing great fun time of 
year. 

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Right. 
And it's March Madness. 

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It's a great to be on and going 
to have a little fun here. 

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Yeah, dude, March 1st, like it 
is now officially March. 

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You can start looking at 
brackets like this is I've often

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joked for a kid in Indiana. 
This was always like the best 

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time of year because you get the
Super Bowl and then it's just 

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like you go straight into 
conference tournaments and you 

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have March Madness and you have 
like the Masters and then it's 

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like next thing. 
You know, we got Indy car. 

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We got the Indy 500. 
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like the best stretch of time 
plus plus, it's spring. 

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So it's like you get the start 
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It's good times. 
It's like Indiana's. 

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One of the most underrated 
places in the world. 

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Right? 
I mean, you just people don't 

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realize this what you said, 
what's going on this time of 

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year and we grew up going to the
Indianapolis 500, my Uncle Larry

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Hanson and and my cousins, Rick 
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Indy, and we went to the race 
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and it's just if you haven't 
been to the race, right? 

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You're missing one of the 
greatest spectacles and in the 

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world and then obviously, See, 
with the bob Knight era and 

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season on the brake and Hoosiers
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There's a there's so much going 
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It's, yeah, you're you're 
fortunate. 

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You got, you got 60 days here. 
Some exciting stuff. 

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I do. 
Although used to be better, like

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you're mentioning the time to 
the 80s, right? 

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To be a little bit better. 
Like now now we're looking at 

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Dusty banners and, you know, 
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was, but yes, we'll get to some 
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those and you are preaching to 
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Like I tell anybody who will 
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the 500. 
I've been, my dad started taking

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me in like, 85 86. 
I've been going ever since I've 

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been living back here since 2009
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you don't, you can't explain it 
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It like, makes you love your 
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doesn't it? 
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patriotism. 
The competition, the people, the

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family, the it's, there's just 
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There's this, nothing like that.
The gets in your blood. 

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No doubt. 
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they play Taps and you have two 
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getting quite like that's one of
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But anyway, the back to didn't 
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I guess I can be car for you for
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How many? 
How many 500 you go to? 

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I'm just throwing I'm gonna 
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I was in elementary school, 
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I'm gonna guess 10 and it was 
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But back if I remember, right? 
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right? 
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would come out on a Friday 
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And then we would go that 
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grocery store, and get all the 
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and his candy bars and pop. 
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whole thing was incredible and 
then I've gone to a few since 

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I've been older. 
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it's been about three or four 
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myself. 
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just roll over there and it was,
it was awesome. 

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I just love it. 
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bumping around the 500. 600 
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Love it. 
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Bought it on the street. 
I love it. 

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Yeah. 
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basketball. 
I'll start with this. 

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Obviously. 
We're in IU podcast. 

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There's no like way to make this
a fun question. 

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But, you know, tomorrow night I 
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Is it pretty simply like just 
the winner of that game for the 

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part has an inside track at the 
NCAA tournament. 

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I think that's fair to say. 
I'm just doing a little research

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on Indiana. 
The Notre Dame game. 

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The wind that would that was big
the way that they have surged 

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Rutgers with some remarkable run
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gets ranked teams in the league.
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And both the fan bases are 
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monster game, and especially 
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following. 
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earlier in the year at the game,
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that loss in Wisconsin. 
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Remember that Moss of Wisconsin.
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Said that thing's gonna come 
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hard. 
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they played in the first half 
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and second half. 
And here we are, right? 

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That would be, that would be the
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like coach said, it's in their 
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want to be this time of year, 
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It's in your own hands and they 
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some golden opportunities as 
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You know, it's actually both a 
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You have that, you know, the 
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by 20 and then just a game a 
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you pretty much have it down the
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You just can't close it out. 
And it's like, you could have 

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two wins against one of the top 
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Forgot about that one. 
Yeah, you're exactly right. 

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You're exactly right. 
I mean, it's just, they can't 

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get over that Badger hump. 
Now, a lot of teams can but it 

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sucks and it's miserable when 
you play well, and You should 

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win the game and you you don't. 
Well, it's funny. 

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We look at the we joke here. 
It's like Wisconsin kind of Soul

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stole, the soul of IU because 
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me growing up. 
It's like Wisconsin was just a w

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it's like, all right, they got 
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Like we're and Indiana was the 
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system had an identity and it 
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It's like now, Wisconsin is just
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they're going to be tough that 
we can't wait up in the Kohl 

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Center. 
It's like it's a bizarre just 

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take they took our Soul, it's a 
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It's a weird feeling, right? 
It's just torment, tormenting to

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Hoosier fans because it's like 
all of those coaches like Bo 

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Ryan and they grew up studying, 
Bob nitrite, and you come up 

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with these systems. 
And all these coaches who come 

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into the league, they have their
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joke around. 
We say it's the old, Mike Tyson.

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The philosopher said, everybody 
has a plan until they get 

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punched in the mouth. 
Right? 

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So, you know, John beelines 
playing 131 at West. 

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Virginia to comes to the Big 
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Obviously can't play that here. 
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Brad Underwood's, jumping 
passing Lanes, trying to League 

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lead, the country and steals. 
You get in the Big Ten. 

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Have your team fouls out. 
Give up dunks and you can't win 

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Bo Ryan. 
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I believe is pressing the whole 
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We, I don't think people realize
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practices. 
Yeah, with dr. 

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Tom and study. 
Dr. Tom's press and substitution

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patterns. 
Well, I guess the wasc 

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Wisconsin, you know, he'll beat 
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And everybody's like, well, 
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This is boring basket. 
Well, it's the system's. 

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It's the old bob Knight where 
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Throw attempt more free throws 
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Make you don't Fugard without 
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You don't turn the ball over and
the deal is most of the time, if

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you do those things, your 
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And so yeah, that's that's what 
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years and Indiana just hasn't 
played with enough discipline to

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compete with teams like that and
hopefully they'll get a 

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turnaround. 
But your yeah, it's got to be, 

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it's got to be Have to be you 
guys. 

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Yes. 
So, that's these meet you 

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mentioned, free throw shooting. 
And the last couple years leads 

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me into a question. 
You, you were 78, 80% free-throw

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shooter for your career at Iowa.
Your teams had pretty good free,

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throw shooting. 
Like I'm just curious as 

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somebody who played at a high 
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it's interesting for Indiana 
that, you know, under Creed, we 

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had pretty good free throw 
shooting and then it started to 

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tail off under Archie. 
We just crater like, where are 

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you? 
No, 300 in the country for free,

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throw shooting and then it's 
odd. 

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Like, you know, Mike Woodson is 
now our coach different coaching

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staff, you know, six years, 
different players. 

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We've just stayed as one of the 
worst free throw shooting teams 

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in the country. 
You know, I always joke on this 

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pod. 
My dad is 91. 

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I love them. 
He's always like, I just don't 

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know why they do practice free. 
Throw shooting like Dad. 

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I like, you can think what? 
You want. 

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My coaches, aren't stupid. 
Like, I'm sure they're not, not 

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practicing, but I just, I'm 
curious if you have like how 

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does a team like, Indiana with 
an area? 

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You know, we have kids. 
Can shoot Indiana's, a good 

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shooting area. 
It boggles my mind. 

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I don't know the answer. 
Like, how among different 

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become a bad free-throw, 
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Right. 
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basketball to not be able to be 
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program, right? 
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I and I have not looked at his 
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talked to Fish, maybe two years 
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that tjd didn't even have a 
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He went to the line. 
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me. 
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got to put in the Steve Alford 
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get yourself a retain, right? 
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short, you know, shoes shorts 
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right during the games when he 
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state of Indiana all the 
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don't know is it you probably 
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I'm just Speculating and running
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like, isn't the state of Indiana
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know, from three-point Shooters 
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teaching it. 
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I do know it's hard. 
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If you don't come in as a solid 
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Time for a fan base that expects
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certain way, you know there. 
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one's got drive you nuts. 
It does. 

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I mean and that leads me to the 
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I want to ask just you know, as 
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watches all the Big 10. 
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how you see the Woodson are 
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mentioned the Indiana fan. 
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we definitely have you know, 
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offense or kind of in our blood.
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that, you know, for a lot of us.
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fans, like, look, I don't, I 
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run like a bay Hime 2-3 Zone, 
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need to Have, you know, a style.
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just I'm curious what you seen 
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picking up, but I'm just curious
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going in the right direction at 
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I-i'm a, I think nothing first 
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tell. 
I've had I've had good 

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conversation with a coach a 
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Really enjoy talking to him 
learning a lot from him. 

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and has a tremendous amount of 
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things coach five love talking 
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He's obviously, was just rarely 
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Hired to bring him back. 
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and I could be wrong on this and
your listeners would know more 

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It's almost like this this early
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early all the time. 
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as much as any school and not 
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as some of the other top schools
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And you get, you get some of 
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a year or two. 
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great. 
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guys are young and, you know, 
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team like Iowa, right there. 
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the level. 
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years, ten years, but they get 
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Bohannon's been there. 
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Connor McAfee has been there. 
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They're men and Keegan Murray's 
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He's a, he's a legit jr. 
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Therefore for 25 years. 
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Brian and then what does Romeo 
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they're highly recruited great 
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sixth year. 3 star guy over a 
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Most years. 
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on that? 
But that's what I think. 

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it's a mixture. 
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has struggled in a guy. 
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I think it's a great example 
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older for this example, but you 
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base. 
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what they're doing and they be 
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example, you have a base where 
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They know what's going on. 
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like Johnny Davis who's just you
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athlete like now, okay. 
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system and now like now we can 
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that's been the problem as we 
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who's really good. 
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base around him, the team just 
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pass it a Romeo and see what 
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doesn't work. 
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No, it doesn't work. 
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question. 
I didn't probably answer very 

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well, but I just think time will
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What's in? 
It was reading. 

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I was reading some statistics 
this morning. 

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It is this right? 
That Miller cop had his first 

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double-figure game, since the 
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Is that, right? 
And I read that, right? 

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That's 100%, right? 
Yeah. 

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So, I mean, how could that be? 
Right? 

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You're going. 
He's a, he's a shooter. 

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I mean, he Multiple, it's 
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You playing at northwestern's, 
got all these plays run for it, 

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but just from a recruiting 
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that can score get got to get 
older. 

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I mean the portal is going to be
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everybody. 
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name image and likeness came out
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schools that kind of pop into 
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And you say this is a school 
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or the business community and 
and It's Indiana's got to be one

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of the, you know, that was one 
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into my mind. 
So as just as it all changes can

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coach, what's in coach five can 
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Can they capitalize on that? 
Get older still mix in the star 

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players from the state of 
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It's definitely doable. 
I mean, it's it's still I always

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tell people, you know, I'm and I
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If somebody's going to say you 
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be Indiana. 
I just I still think it's the 

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the top. 
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Now, people might say Carolina 
Duke and all that, but for me, I

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just think the opportunities are
Limitless, sir. 

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No, I mean, you're preaching the
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It definitely feels that way. 
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sleeping Giants. 
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like Clemson football before the
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It's like everything. 
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The historical precedent is 
there just need someone to get 

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it together. 
I'm curious, you know, you 

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obviously played at Iowa and 
there's been, you know, a couple

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couple coaching changes before 
Fran mccaffery. 

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Out there, you know one of the 
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was yeah. 
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He played at IU. 
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older players. 
I'm just curious as a former Big

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Ten player. 
How important is that kind of 

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bringing bringing the the old 
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says it's like Archie was 
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they're definitely seemed to be 
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of the Korean are a dirty Archie
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IU players. 
I'm just curious as a former 

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player. 
Is that is that it? 

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Deal for a program or is that 
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like you got to learn how to 
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Yeah, you know what? 
Indiana is a different monster 

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than the rest of the teams in 
the league. 

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I was recruited by Fran 
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When he was an assistant coach 
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He's always been very good to 
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He's done a very good job of 
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players. 
It's very important. 

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It means a lot to 75% of us. 
Some guys play and they, and 

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they're probably better for it. 
They just they can 

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compartmentalize it. 
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They go raise their families. 
They go contribute to Xiety 

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start and they, and they can 
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I think most of us, it's in our 
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family forever and it means 
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So that's that's always nice to 
have access to the program and 

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it's hard when there's no 
continuity and what a program 

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turns over coaches. 
It's very hard to do that. 

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Now, Indiana, you're talking 
about one of the legendary 

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programs in the history of 
college basketball. 

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You're talking about the The bob
Knight, the conflict there and 

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it's Archie Miller. 
Just didn't your own. 

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You're the, you're the governor 
of the state. 

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If you're the head coach in 
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ever seem comfortable with that.
And Archie was a good coach and 

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had a lot of success at Dayton, 
and he'll coach well, again, but

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it's more than coaching. 
Obviously. 

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The when you're at Indiana and 
just from a distance and I could

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be wrong on this. 
It's just I don't think there's 

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a program. 
Maybe UCLA, maybe Carolina. 

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Outside of Indiana where the 
former players just start a bold

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emboldened to just be negative 
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And there are so many guys who 
just have such strong opinions 

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on the program and there's 
fractures between certain areas 

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and decades and it's a little 
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And obviously with the 
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staffs. 
I don't know I'm rambling here, 

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but it's just, it's, it's so 
different in Indiana, compared 

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to anywhere else and Hopefully 
it won't ever change. 

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You know, you definitely hit on 
something that my my co host. 

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Galen always mentions that like 
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if you're the coach in Indiana, 
it's almost like a religious 

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figure like you're kind of like 
the Archbishop of the state of 

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Indiana. 
And if you get Indiana 

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basketball humming, you're one 
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the state, you know, Creed held 
that for an 18 24 month period 

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obviously, bob Knight had that, 
you know, Mike Davis had it for 

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a stretch if you get it hummin 
your huge and there's there's 

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only Many people that can say 
that and you know, it's 

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obviously we're I you fans here 
and like, you know, I'm not 

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going to Matt Painter has done 
just an absolutely phenomenal 

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job at Purdue. 
He has built probably what I 

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would want. 
I you to be but you still don't 

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see like, you know, if those 
results that Matt Painter had 

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happened in Indiana, I just that
coach, you know, Matt Painter 

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did that at IU like he would 
just be a bigger deal in the 

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state than he is at Purdue. 
It's just it just is so it's 

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crazy. 
No. 

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Oh, that's crazy. 
I played in the Indiana, they 

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called it, the Indiana All-Star 
game back in the early 90s Tim 

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night. 
Bob son, ran it. 

448
00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:53,000
And I came out and played in 
that. 

449
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,900
It was I'm going to say it was 
Wilkerson and Steve Hart. 

450
00:21:56,900 --> 00:21:59,500
That era granted a few other 
guys. 

451
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,000
We went around and played a few 
Exhibition scrimmages at high 

452
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,600
schools. 
I'm going to say, I'm gonna 

453
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,300
guess within an hour of 
Bloomington and they were 

454
00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:12,900
packed. 
I'm talking packed to watch us 

455
00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:16,600
just play scrimmages. 
You don't, you don't get that at

456
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,200
other places and you're right. 
I mean, you look at Purdue and 

457
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,400
the incredible. 
All of us in the Big Ten country

458
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,600
know about how Elite Purdue is, 
but they've never been able to 

459
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:31,700
get it done in March and in the 
big dance and you know, you look

460
00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:32,800
at the conference championships 
coach. 

461
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,800
Katie had a matte painter. 
It's spectacular, but Indiana 

462
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,300
cuts down. 
That's, you know, on the, on the

463
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,800
what the first Monday Night 
April, And so it's just a 

464
00:22:42,808 --> 00:22:46,500
totally different fan base, and 
a totally different level of 

465
00:22:46,508 --> 00:22:48,800
success on the on that big 
stage. 

466
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,200
So, I hope coach once you gets 
done there again, I've had 

467
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,800
wonderful talks with, you had a 
fantastic talk with him. 

468
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,300
The other day about the, the 
best high school teams, ever in 

469
00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:02,700
the state of Indiana and the 
best players that he had played 

470
00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:05,600
against and things like that, 
and the single, you know, class 

471
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,900
state championships, and all 
that. 

472
00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:13,700
So it its glorious right. 
But Duke and Hockey, and UCLA 

473
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:17,500
and Pitino Louisville, they've 
been able to manage this one and

474
00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:21,100
done and this early era thing 
and Indiana. 

475
00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:24,600
Unfortunately, it's not been 
able to manage it, and can they 

476
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,400
manage? 
I think they can. 

477
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,200
I think it's just, you know, 
it's a matter of time but I know

478
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,600
your your listeners have been 
saying that probably for 15 

479
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,700
years now, so who knows? 
1520. 

480
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:39,000
I got one more question about 
this year's team than a couple 

481
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,000
more kind of larger questions. 
This is Send out to Twitter as 

482
00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:46,000
our friends Jared over to 
somebody call at assembly call 

483
00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:49,800
curious to get your take 
suggests on Race Thompson, 

484
00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:52,500
because race reminds I'm 
speaking using his words here, 

485
00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:54,200
race reminds me of Jess and many
ways. 

486
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,100
He does all the little things 
hugely impactful on both ends. 

487
00:23:57,100 --> 00:23:59,000
Great basketball IQ. 
Probably doesn't get enough 

488
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,200
credit. 
He deserves outside his own fan 

489
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,000
base. 
So I'm curious your thoughts on 

490
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,400
race and maybe even acquitting 
him to your game. 

491
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,000
It's an interesting comp there. 
You know, I never really thought

492
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,900
about that, but I appreciate 
that. 

493
00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:17,600
He's the type of guy, you know, 
you always think if college 

494
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,300
basketball and it feels like we 
do have free agency in a day. 

495
00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:23,400
Feels like it's almost a 
prototype, but if you could 

496
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,500
trade during the middle of the 
year, if you can play ten games,

497
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:29,200
like every team to trade a 
couple guys, like every other 

498
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,100
team in the league would be 
pounding on the door to get rice

499
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:35,400
right room just just fits in 
perfectly. 

500
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,700
He's the enforcer, he makes this
unselfish play. 

501
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:43,200
He's physical on the I talked to
him. 

502
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,600
I'm going to guess a couple 
months ago and I know he was 

503
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,700
serious about returning home to 
Minnesota. 

504
00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:51,200
I know that was part of his 
makeup. 

505
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,600
You're not sure what the new 
coaching staff is going to be 

506
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,700
like and whether they well, they
want you, whether they're part 

507
00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:59,000
of your plans, but I know he's 
really good really close with TJ

508
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,000
D and he just wanted to finish 
the job. 

509
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,800
So I know that I know his 
loyalty is paid off and I hope I

510
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,000
hope over the next couple games.
He's a major factor in getting 

511
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,400
some wins and getting any in in.
The tournament. 

512
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,800
It's the term is not the 
tournament without Indiana. 

513
00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:18,500
I always tell people, the Big 
Ten to me does. 

514
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:21,200
Never feels right. 
And less, Indiana and Illinois 

515
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,500
are playing. 
Well, Illinois's turned it 

516
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:25,800
around. 
Hopefully Indiana can do the 

517
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,800
same, you know, and I agree with
you on Race. 

518
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,200
I think races, you know, 
obviously Jackson Davis is 

519
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,700
talented, but to me, it's like 
the, the real unsung heroes this

520
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:38,800
team or race Thompson, Xavier 
Johnson, like they, they make 

521
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,700
everything happen and obviously 
some of that. 

522
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:44,000
His traces pulling, you know, 
double-teams, every time he 

523
00:25:44,008 --> 00:25:46,900
touches the ball, but race is 
just like the ultimate clean 

524
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:49,400
kind to your point earlier, but 
he's a guy who registered like 

525
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,800
he came in and register an 
entire season before all the 

526
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,600
government stuff. 
Like he did a true register like

527
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,700
your point. 
He's a man. 

528
00:25:55,700 --> 00:26:00,300
Now, he's 21 22, like he, we 
just need more, guys like that, 

529
00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:03,700
to build a base so that when we 
get the, the super five stars 

530
00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:05,000
were ready to rock and roll. 
Yeah. 

531
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:06,400
Yeah. 
It's gonna be like, yeah, I 

532
00:26:06,408 --> 00:26:08,200
totally agree and it's a guards 
game. 

533
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:11,900
It's a guards game. 
I mean, you know, this is it 

534
00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:14,900
just fills his role and does the
dirty work, but he's not. 

535
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:16,800
He's not he's not going to carry
that team. 

536
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,900
Its X has got to get it done. 
Now, you know TJ D is got to 

537
00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:25,400
play like an All-American. 
I know I for sure but was it was

538
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,100
Franklin, that transferred last 
year to Virginia? 

539
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,500
Yes. 
Yeah. 

540
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:32,900
That, you know, see again that 
just that really hurt that 

541
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:36,200
really hurt. 
It's a guards game and and you 

542
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,300
got to get older and you got to 
keep your players and but no 

543
00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:41,700
race, I don't know if race and I
got it. 

544
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:44,200
A scuffle like I used to get 
scuffles Brian Evans. 

545
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,500
I don't, I'm not sure who I 
look. 

546
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,500
I was pretty confident. 
Gets Brian, it's Brian. 

547
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:52,300
You know, I think that have been
about 55th, maybe 6040 me. 

548
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:55,100
I don't know what he would say. 
But if it was race, I think I'm 

549
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:56,200
probably walking the other 
direction. 

550
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,500
You got to be smart about those 
things. 

551
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:01,600
Well, Brian had his he was at 
had an arm in a sling like 

552
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,300
hafez. 
Hafez. 

553
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:04,900
Career is going one shoulder, 
half a time. 

554
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:06,700
Look, I got ya. 
Exactly. 

555
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:10,500
Brian had he was all taped up. 
You had the shoulder things and 

556
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:13,100
he probably didn't want to miss.
Bracken probably was, would have

557
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:15,200
been humiliated, a miss a 
practice. 

558
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,200
We always played her, but there 
are so many Legends at that 

559
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,100
plated, Indiana, right? 
So you can't even if your, if 

560
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:25,500
your first team All-American or 
you're a player the year, you 

561
00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:27,000
know, over the last 50 years at 
Indiana. 

562
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,300
You're not even considered most 
of the guys top 10 in program 

563
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,000
history. 
Let me think about that. 

564
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,600
I'll be a guy like Ryan Evans 
Player of the Year in the Big 

565
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,000
Ten. 
If he was at Iowa. 

566
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,500
We probably have a statue of 
him. 

567
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:43,700
I think Brian was so overrated, 
and I played College and and you

568
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:46,300
know, he was player of the year.
I'm scuse me under it. 

569
00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:47,300
I'm sorry on. 
Okay. 

570
00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:48,200
All right. 
All right. 

571
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,600
Geez, yeah underrated he was so 
good. 

572
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,900
And then I played against him at
the pre-draft camp and he just 

573
00:27:56,900 --> 00:28:00,500
tore me up up at the Chicago. 
I remember that chasing him 

574
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:02,800
around so I loved him. 
He was physical. 

575
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,600
We went out a few times. 
So yeah and Indiana underrated 

576
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:10,800
if you find anywhere else, he 
just be considered a legend. 

577
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:13,600
Yeah, no, I'm pulled out the 
heat. 

578
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,000
That's that's definitely the 
air. 

579
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,800
I was I'm a little bit younger. 
You like three or four years. 

580
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,300
I started college in 96 that was
that was definitely when I was 

581
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,500
deep in, you know, deep deep 
into IU basketball. 

582
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:25,300
Yeah. 
I know it's his numbers are out 

583
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:27,100
of control, and it's funny 
because you kind of think of 

584
00:28:27,108 --> 00:28:30,400
that in people think of that era
is like the, you know, that's 

585
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,900
kind of the end of the night 
air, but it's like you're right.

586
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:34,400
Evans was awesome. 
I'm just curious. 

587
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:38,600
I'll track of the guys, you 
played in Indiana like, you feel

588
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,000
comfortable taking Evans. 
Who would you? 

589
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:45,400
Not have wanted to fight on an 
Indiana team in those years. 

590
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:49,800
Well, she's not fight. 
Okay, so I'm trying to finish a 

591
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,300
couple like I'm yeah, I mean 
just a basketball fight, you are

592
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:53,900
close. 
I'll just start, you know, 

593
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:55,800
rambling through that are and 
maybe somebody will come to 

594
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,600
mind, but that was, I played 
against Damon Bailey which you 

595
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,800
know, that incredible story is 
legendary and then Alan 

596
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,400
Henderson was by far the best 
player that I played against 

597
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,900
their, but the Alan Alan wasn't 
a fighter, you know, Al I'm 

598
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:13,900
like, put his arm around his 
shoulder and compliments you. 

599
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:17,400
If you had 20 points, you know, 
it wasn't who was the fighter 

600
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,900
back, then. 
I don't know, maybe Brian. 

601
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:25,900
I mean, Brian Eye-Fi vaguely. 
Remember going face-to-face with

602
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:29,600
Brian and our noses and our 
mouths hitting each other. 

603
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,300
I don't it's not a good memory. 
But I Begley remember that 

604
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,000
because we were just yapping at 
each other. 

605
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,500
He was a tough kid. 
Who else? 

606
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,600
Throw a couple names out of 
there. 

607
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,900
Do you remember? 
Who else? 

608
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:43,900
Yeah, I'm Do some of those 
rosters like I miss Steve Hart 

609
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,200
was only there a year. 
I mean, Neil read. 

610
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:48,300
I don't feel. 
I felt like Neil read didn't 

611
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:53,100
take shit from anybody. 
Like he look like he was tough. 

612
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,100
I mean, yeah, it was those are 
we played against the kid? 

613
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,600
It was antwaan. 
Randle. 

614
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,200
Alright, it was doing double 
duty. 

615
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,700
Yep. 
And put I remember, I mean he 

616
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:06,600
was a tough guy. 
They they they went to was that 

617
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,000
the I think my freshman year. 
We had a good battle with them 

618
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:12,900
in, Indiana. 
They want, of course. 

619
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,100
And then we, I think we had a 
good battle with that. 

620
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:16,500
I was sitting at they beat us as
well. 

621
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:19,600
But what was it that the year? 
Then they went to the final 

622
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,100
four. 
But Alan Twitter had the bad 

623
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:23,500
knee or they would have wanted 
again. 

624
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:27,200
Yeah, they yeah. 
Alan tore his knee at the end of

625
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:29,400
like a practice. 
I think, two games before the 

626
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,700
season ended and they lost to 
Kansas in the elite. 

627
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:38,000
Eight, Kansas Kansas TV. 
I'm doing this on memoriae 

628
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,400
Kansas team. 
I'm pretty sure they beat 

629
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,100
earlier that year, and that was 
the, that was Calvert. 80, 

630
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:44,400
senior year. 
Being that was, there's an 

631
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,200
alternate reality where 
Henderson doesn't hurt his knee.

632
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,800
I think night wins another 
championship in that team, was 

633
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,200
that team was loaded yet Cheney.
And Greg, Graham and Alan 

634
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,000
Henderson and the Damon Bailey. 
I mean, that was, that was just 

635
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:00,700
mean. 
It's all degree. 

636
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:03,700
I totally agree. 
They, I mean, they had a 75% 

637
00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:08,400
chance of winning and caliber 
was I try to explain him to 

638
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,600
people. 
I call him the best Baseline. 

639
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:14,400
Fine player probably in the 
modern era of Big Ten 

640
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,600
basketball. 
And just what I mean by that he 

641
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:22,000
he can work that Baseline like a
like a like a pro. 

642
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,200
I really like a. 
Yeah. 

643
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,900
I don't know how to describe he.
He had those Jordan up and 

644
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:27,900
unders. 
He had, he could shoot that 

645
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:29,200
little 15 footer on the 
Baseline. 

646
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,100
He hit the corner, three on the 
Fastbreak kind of back. 

647
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,500
When you still attack the rim, 
he could feel the lane and come 

648
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:37,600
crashing in on the side. 
I yeah, the Alan Henderson 

649
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:43,000
Henderson injury was was brutal,
but I No, I don't think they had

650
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,400
many hockey enforcers but maybe 
some of your listeners can can 

651
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,500
remember some guys but no, I'm 
looking through the roster and 

652
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:51,800
you play them is it was Evans 
then, you know, you get like the

653
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,400
owner, LeAndre Patterson, 
Patterson was really like that. 

654
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,900
So anyway, we're way off track 
here. 

655
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:59,500
I want to bring it back to to 
today a couple games ago. 

656
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:02,300
You mentioned about, you know, 
Keegan Murray, maybe being the 

657
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:05,000
best player in Iowa for the last
40 years, which and if somebody 

658
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,700
sent you an article with like 
they rank that out. 

659
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:09,700
I don't want to dig into that. 
But I do think it's an 

660
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:12,700
interesting idea that, you know,
I was Looking at, you know, 

661
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:15,700
players this year in the Big Ten
who are going to be drafted. 

662
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:19,600
It's just it's a deep list. 
Sadly, nobody for my you, but 

663
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:22,600
I'm just curious. 
You know, I pick 3, okey Camry, 

664
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,800
Jaden IV, Johnny Davis, all jump
out of the gym guards. 

665
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,400
I'm curious. 
Which of those three. 

666
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,500
Do you think could have the 
biggest impact going into March 

667
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:34,500
Madness or taking their team on 
a run in March Madness? 

668
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,700
I think the first one who comes 
to mind would be Johnny, Davis. 

669
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:43,500
He his numbers and I don't have 
them in front of me. 

670
00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:45,700
His numbers against top, 25 upon
us. 

671
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:49,400
This year are spectacular. 
I think those are going to carry

672
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,900
him to the player of the year in
the conference. 

673
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:56,700
I'm Keegan is closing fast. 
I think, two weeks ago, Johnny 

674
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:58,600
had it at almost, run away with 
it. 

675
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,200
But in Iowa schedule made it so 
that, you know, they had to 

676
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,200
play, Ohio. 
State. 

677
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,400
They have play on the road a few
times and by Michigan State, 

678
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,400
Keegan's has been dominant those
games. 

679
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:14,800
So, he's closing the Gap, there 
Johnny Davis there again, their 

680
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,400
team has proven that, I almost 
think there should be a number 

681
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,700
one seed at this point and the 
metrics don't love them that 

682
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:24,600
much but if you look at where 
they want, they beat Houston 

683
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:26,700
back. 
When Houston was the real deal. 

684
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:31,100
His performance at Purdue is 
kind of high, you know, just 

685
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:34,500
Heisman Trophy moment. 
I think he's the front-runner 

686
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:37,300
for the But with you, I think 
that Wisconsin with the style 

687
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:39,500
that they play, has the best 
chance. 

688
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:43,100
That being said, Keegan, could 
go Danny Manning on us right 

689
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:45,100
here and, you know, carry a 
team. 

690
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,900
You deep that it depending on 
the matchups and then Purdue 

691
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,700
probably has the most upside. 
Would you agree, just their 

692
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:58,000
size, their talent regarding 
regardless of what happens in 

693
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,700
their game against West. 
I'm talking neutral Court in the

694
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:03,300
tournament against teams that 
don't have, you scouted don't 

695
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:04,800
know you. 
You can imagine. 

696
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:08,100
Ian warming up against Purdue 
and looking down and seeing 

697
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:12,300
seeing the Ed in the and 
treyvion and how they're 

698
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,000
massive. 
And there's a psychological 

699
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,699
advantage in those with that 
size. 

700
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:19,300
Especially the first couple 
games. 

701
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:23,100
The Big Ten is struggle with 
ball screens as they advance to 

702
00:34:23,107 --> 00:34:24,699
the tournament over the last 
couple of years. 

703
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:28,900
So, maybe this is the year where
the wing players like, I be like

704
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:30,900
Johnny, Dave, like he maybe it's
a different year. 

705
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:32,900
Maybe they can carry a team 
rather than just going through 

706
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:36,400
your bigs. 
So, Before I get to that, I just

707
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,800
want a real quick. 
Do I have a thought? 

708
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,600
A do I have a question about 
that? 

709
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,199
I want to hit on but you I'm so 
happy. 

710
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:44,000
You mentioned that. 
Kike Murray thing on the 

711
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,800
broadcast and people are talking
about it, like his even for me. 

712
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,500
It's like, I know he's good. 
And then you go and look at the 

713
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:49,900
numbers. 
It is just unworldly. 

714
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:53,199
Like, I agree with you. 
Johnny Davis is having a great 

715
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:54,199
year. 
But damn, you. 

716
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,500
Look at Keegan Murray's numbers 
on Ken Palm like, hip-hop has 

717
00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:00,400
offensive rating is 130. 
He's 15 the country. 

718
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,700
I mean, he's using 28% of the 
possessions, but he's insanely a

719
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:06,700
Efficient, he's shooting numbers
are great to me. 

720
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:10,000
He's top hundred in the country 
and almost every important 

721
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,000
offensive metric. 
It is it's an unreal year that 

722
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,400
he's having so I just wanted to 
get that out. 

723
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,700
But yeah, you mentioned you 
mentioned the Big Ten having 

724
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:20,200
troubles in the in the 
tournament. 

725
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,700
It brings up to questions from 
Twitter poke. 

726
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:27,400
Patrick at IU 2714. 
His question is as the big Ten's

727
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,100
insistence to play tackle 
basketball, cost them a shot at 

728
00:35:30,107 --> 00:35:32,600
the national title, or is it 
something else? 

729
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:34,000
Big Ten, rest. 
Call games. 

730
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,900
One way all season. 
Come tournament time. 

731
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:37,900
These rat these teams have to 
adjust. 

732
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:41,800
It knocks out teams of guys, 
like, Ed and Coburn every season

733
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:44,500
also, Crimson casts, 260 or 
friend. 

734
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:46,900
James said, I want to hear 
jessa's thoughts, and why the 

735
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:49,500
Big Ten hasn't won a national 
title and so long. 

736
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:51,700
So, I want to leave those two 
questions to you. 

737
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:53,800
I mean, I to answer your thing 
on Purdue. 

738
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,200
I think it comes down to this 
exact question that I think 

739
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,500
Purdue is going to be a really 
tough out to me. 

740
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:03,800
My biggest fear, if I was a 
Purdue fan is, I feel like Edie 

741
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,100
is just Credibly hard to 
referee. 

742
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:09,900
He's like an early Shaq. 
You can call a travel every play

743
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,600
almost you can call a foul. 
No question every play. 

744
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:17,300
And, you know, I worry that in 
Gate, you know, the history is 

745
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:20,400
that the NCAA arrests are just 
different in the Big Ten rest 

746
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,400
and they might just you'll get 
him two quick fouls early in a, 

747
00:36:23,408 --> 00:36:25,800
you know, sweet 16 game and then
it's like, you know, Jane Ivy's 

748
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,900
got to do everything. 
So I'm just, I'm curious, your 

749
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:31,300
thoughts on those two. 
Questions about the big Ten's 

750
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:34,000
reffing, which we love to rail 
on this podcast. 

751
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,800
That also Is that the reason why
the Big Ten hasn't won a title 

752
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,600
in so long. 
And those are, those are 

753
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,800
phenomenal tweets and you got my
head spinning on those. 

754
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,000
I'm trying to dig deep and think
I, you know, I think there's 

755
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,000
something to it. 
I'm a 90s guy. 

756
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:56,400
So it's hard for me to shift. 
I'ma grab and hold I'm a you 

757
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,300
know, shove you I am a, you 
know, John plan to get show on 

758
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:05,100
Howard and Alan Henderson and 
Glenn Robinson and I can Anti, 

759
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:07,700
I'm not as good as them. 
So I have to find a way to grab 

760
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:11,800
their Jersey and block them out 
into all those things that 

761
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,400
aren't allowed today, that all 
of us used to Plateau, Brad, 

762
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,400
Miller, and Brian Cardinal and 
bright it. 

763
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,800
That's how we used to play. 
I didn't we, if I had to run the

764
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,300
analytics, I would say we scored
more points back then. 

765
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:28,900
Even playing that way. 
I'm love the style of play and 

766
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:31,500
we had world-class coaches in 
the league. 

767
00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:34,600
Maybe the, you know, the Golden 
Era of the late 80s, early 90s. 

768
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:38,900
Um, we also were older. 
We had, you know, Calbert was in

769
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:43,300
school for four years Cal, bit 
would stay one year now, if that

770
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:47,000
was the case, so I'm always 
like, what is it, the is it the 

771
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,100
officiating as the physicality 
or sisters? 

772
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,100
Guys are not staying long 
enough. 

773
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,500
I think there's something to the
officiating at this time of year

774
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,700
gets rougher. 
There's more physicality. 

775
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:03,200
The advantage of The Bigs in the
tournament has not paid 

776
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,200
dividends for the Big Ten. 
I officiating is probably a part

777
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,200
of it. 
What was the second part of the 

778
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,300
question? 
What was the other tweet? 

779
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:12,200
We're talking? 
No. 

780
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,000
Yeah, like, yeah, why haven't 
they want it in so long? 

781
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,500
Yeah, I would the my the first 
thing that comes to mind is 

782
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:21,200
that, you know, you look at the 
Wisconsin teams with Frank 

783
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,700
Kaminsky and Sam. 
Dekker went to the final four 

784
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:29,400
twice, Brandon to an elite 
Kentucky Squad. 

785
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,400
Once lost him, one of your bead 
on the second year the the the 

786
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,200
officiating in the Duke. 
In ship game that night if you 

787
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,500
remember was suspect at best. 
Yep. 

788
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:41,800
Coming back to that. 
I think Wisconsin would have won

789
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,800
that game. 
Had there not been a couple 

790
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,700
crazy calls goat against them 
and those last six or seven 

791
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:49,400
minutes. 
I mean, we will those guys will 

792
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,100
debate that to the End of Time, 
Carson Edwards and that the 

793
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:56,000
horrific luck against Virginia 
on the foul. 

794
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,200
No three, right? 
So, I, there's there's a piece 

795
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,400
of me that just thinks the 
Denzel Valentine, Michigan 

796
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,700
State. 
Team, a lot of those teams ran 

797
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:10,200
into Super teams. 
You remember Michigan with 

798
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,600
Wagner and Company ran into 
Villanova, who one of the best 

799
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,200
teams we've had. 
In 20 years. 

800
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,300
I think a lot of judgment bad 
luck with the matchups in the 

801
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:21,500
final four, but I'm going to 
have to really think about the 

802
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:24,600
officiating. 
I the other piece of that is you

803
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,200
look at Lucca, Garza. 
You look at Kofi Coburn, you 

804
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,500
look, it's a key to you. 
Look at these huge guys who are 

805
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:34,700
in the Big Ten, they have 
struggled mightily. 

806
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:37,200
In the tournament guarding, ball
screen actions. 

807
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,200
You've seen this yourself. 
We talked about this before if I

808
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,600
remember, right? 
Last year. 

809
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,700
I will gave up 13, legit slam, 
dunks, torgan in the second 

810
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:52,000
round and got run 13 dumps. 
They these teams are spreading 

811
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,100
these big guys out there. 
They've got three or four 

812
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:57,800
Shooters on the court. 
The three-point line is the 

813
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,300
great neutralizer. 
There are a lot of teams like 

814
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:03,300
Oral Roberts, last year. 
We took down Ohio State, I 

815
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:05,800
believe you got EJ. 
Liddell out there on those ball 

816
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,900
screen action, pick and pops, 
and he's fighting to the death 

817
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,900
on each. 
All those actions and doing a 

818
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:13,700
good job, but not doing a great 
job. 

819
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:17,500
And you get pick and pop and you
get driven and, and that, you 

820
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:20,000
know, now in the term, you can't
put your hands on guy. 

821
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,100
You get in foul trouble, all of 
those things. 

822
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:24,900
I mean, are you following me? 
Here are all of these things, 

823
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:27,300
kind of what you think is. 
Well, there's it's more than one

824
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:29,400
thing. 
No, I totally agree me. 

825
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,400
I get caught in this Rabbit Hole
to where I'm, like, damn the Big

826
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,900
Ten hasn't. 
By the way, the Maryland title 

827
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:36,800
isn't count like That's an ACC 
title like right, but you know, 

828
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,500
it hasn't won since Michigan 
State and you start trying to 

829
00:40:39,508 --> 00:40:41,600
figure it out. 
But then you know, you are 

830
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,500
right? 
You look at it and I have not 

831
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:46,400
run the numbers but I would 
think that if you look at the 

832
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,900
number of teams to make the 
final four in the last 20 years,

833
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:51,800
I would have to assume the Big 
Ten is up there. 

834
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,900
And we just have had a lot of 
bites at the Apple and to your 

835
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:56,200
point. 
Some is just bad luck. 

836
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,400
Some are just bad matchup sums 
is just, I mean, you know, in 

837
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,400
the end it's just the only one. 
Only one conference wins at 

838
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,200
every year. 
And this isn't like the The SEC 

839
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,500
in football where they are just 
dominating the final for every 

840
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:10,900
year, the BCS for. 
It's like the big Ten's had a 

841
00:41:10,908 --> 00:41:14,300
lot of shots at that Apple. 
They just haven't got it done. 

842
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,800
So I think part of it is it's 
just, I don't say bad luck, but 

843
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,300
part of it is that but I agree 
with you. 

844
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:23,500
I think the reffing. 
It's just it's been suspect that

845
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:25,500
I think it's tough on the big 
guys. 

846
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:29,100
And you the guys in the Big Ten,
you get guys like like you said,

847
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:31,600
dbed and Coburn. 
And I look at like Tres Jackson,

848
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,600
Davis, just, you know, we played
Purdue the game we wanted. 

849
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,400
Home, it's like he just gets two
quick fouls like, boom. 

850
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,800
Boom. 
It's like damn like I guess I'm 

851
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,300
very, I'm very, I'm very biased.
But I mean Jack's, you know, 

852
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:43,900
Trish action Davis up to that 
point. 

853
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:47,100
I think had knocked, you know, 
was averaging like 1.8 fouls, 

854
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:49,200
the game for his career. 
Like he just doesn't get foul 

855
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,200
trouble and then you get to 
Quick touch fouls. 

856
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,300
And again, I'm biased. 
But I'm thinking like, you know,

857
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:56,900
part of this is entertainment, 
like dammit Big Ten like this is

858
00:41:57,100 --> 00:42:00,200
these, this is a key matchup 
between two two powerful 

859
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,300
schools. 
And like you're just going to 

860
00:42:01,308 --> 00:42:03,300
put your big guy in foul trouble
right away. 

861
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:06,500
Like what the hell are you? 
Doing but I know, yes. 

862
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:11,600
So inconsistent in the post, but
you're right. 

863
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,100
I mean the NCAA tournament they 
call a lot tighter games and 

864
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:16,700
puts the big guys in foul 
trouble. 

865
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:19,900
And then yeah, these other teams
run, these kind of pick and Pops

866
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:24,200
that guys like Coburn and, you 
know, Ed or just are not able to

867
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,500
cover effectively and they get 
torched. 

868
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:28,100
And so, I think it, I think, is 
combination of both those 

869
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:30,500
things, but I do think it's 
probably a bit of a scarecrow 

870
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,900
argument and that just, you 
know, if Michigan wins that that

871
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:36,200
title against Whatever 
Louisville in 2013. 

872
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,700
It's like we're not talking 
about this. 

873
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,400
Yeah, that's right. 
That's right. 

874
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,000
I mean it's it is what it is, 
but they don't the analytics of 

875
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,500
the game playing against the 
Big. 

876
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:50,400
Ten is like okay, you know Kofi 
if you give Kofi 20 points, 

877
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,700
you're going to be Illinois, 
like he can't he can't bulrush 

878
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:57,300
and if he turns and puts his 
elbow up, he's probably going to

879
00:42:57,308 --> 00:43:00,300
pick up two offensive fouls and 
if Trace comes crashing in, on 

880
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:02,100
the boards, I'm going to call an
over the back. 

881
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:04,600
A lot of times he's going to 
sit, so they can't. 

882
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:07,300
It's almost like the with a huge
guy. 

883
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:09,600
You can't take advantage of his 
skill set. 

884
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,900
Now, you know, do you go to six 
fouls? 

885
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:14,800
There's a piece of me that wants
to do that. 

886
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,600
And everybody goes crazy and 
says well then it's just going 

887
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,200
to get even worse. 
But you know, it's like our big 

888
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,000
guys can't do what they're 
called to do on the court. 

889
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,500
I had an incredible conversation
with the coach Ballantine of a 

890
00:43:27,508 --> 00:43:31,800
Loyola, few months ago and they 
took down, Illinois. 

891
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,200
Easily in the tournament last 
year. 

892
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,600
You remember this? 
Yeah. 

893
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:38,500
I'm like how in the world did 
you guys pull this off? 

894
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:41,700
You know, with Porter Moser? 
And and how did you do that? 

895
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:45,400
Like of all the games last year,
that you probably circled said, 

896
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,600
this is a mismatch sighs. 
You know, I owed assume. 

897
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:54,100
Ooh, you corbello, and he and he
just said, look, we are we had a

898
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:58,900
really high basketball IQ team. 
We were able to in less than 48 

899
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:00,700
hours because it was a 
second-round, we were able to 

900
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:04,300
turn around and it was all about
our ball screen defense forcing 

901
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:06,100
I/O. 
To the right, you know, taking 

902
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:09,500
keeping Kofi off the line 
relying on, you know, 

903
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:12,100
officiating than the to pick up 
a few cheap ones. 

904
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:14,500
Just all, it's just fascinating 
talking to him. 

905
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,900
So maybe maybe this is your, you
know, Tracy accident. 

906
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,300
Hopefully, Indiana can get in. 
But maybe with his versatility, 

907
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,000
you can stay out of foul 
trouble. 

908
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:26,000
He can have a 30-point game a 
couple times. 

909
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,000
They can get to a sweet 16. 
Maybe the Keegan and Johnny and 

910
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,400
and ivy can 0 because they're 
Elite Wing players which we 

911
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,400
have. 
Had. 

912
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,800
And we also have it had a ton of
lottery picks during that run. 

913
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,600
If I remember, right? 
And and the numbers probably say

914
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,800
that the lottery picks get to 
the final four and when it more 

915
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,900
than the non lottery tickets, 
that's probably would be my 

916
00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:48,700
guess. 
No, I think you're right. 

917
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:51,200
But again, it's bad luck. 
Because I've been joking, like, 

918
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,200
I don't even know why we're 
gonna have a tournament because 

919
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,800
it's coach K's last tournament. 
So, I mean, I'm assuming every 

920
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,300
game starts every game starts 
with, you know, the other team, 

921
00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:00,800
having three fouls and like, you
know, the other thing, it's 

922
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:04,600
like, Duke already gets all the 
calls again, in my mind. 

923
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:07,300
And it's like they're going to 
get all of the calls now. 

924
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:10,500
It's like, they would love to 
see Coach K win the title. 

925
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,600
You don't want to be in that 
bracket. 

926
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,100
You don't want to be a member. 
No. 

927
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,200
Now they're at least getting to 
the final four. 

928
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,200
I got a couple questions. 
I get you a tea. 

929
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,600
I just I have to ask because I 
don't get a lot of Big. 

930
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,400
Ten Network media. 
Guys, on here. 

931
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:30,000
I have a conspiracy theory. 
I will even if you say no, I'm 

932
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
just going to go to my dying 
grave with this. 

933
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,200
I'm sure that. 
When Kofi Coburn came in the 

934
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,200
league, They sent a memo around 
like look, I know it says cock 

935
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,900
bird, but you gotta call him 
Coburn because we can't have 

936
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,800
guys in college, you know, 
Network talk saying the word 

937
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,900
cock 30 times a game. 
So I just I'm I'd love to see 

938
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:48,000
that memo if you can share it 
with me offline. 

939
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,600
I want to see that no idea what 
you're talking about. 

940
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,700
I'll leave it that no idea what 
you're talking about. 

941
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,200
I'm just joking. 
What other Twitter question? 

942
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,900
I want to get you just funny. 
Our friend James at Hoosier. 

943
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:03,500
Doshas. 
He wants to ask you, how many 

944
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:06,200
degrees did you earn? 
Earn in your 13 years playing 

945
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:11,700
for Iowa and it's funny because 
you are in that era of guys who 

946
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:14,000
you know like Joe Hillman had a 
career at IU. 

947
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Will he played a while Like Pat 
G again partially because of 

948
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,600
injuries and I'm not making 
light of injuries, but the guys 

949
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,600
are like my God, he played 
forever and you're in that 

950
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,000
moment and oddly enough for me. 
It was Evan eschmeyer who I felt

951
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,200
like played forever, but I went 
back and looked and they played 

952
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,800
for years. 
So maybe my memories just wrong 

953
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,500
and we're kind of getting back 
in that era. 

954
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:35,400
Now where you have the covid ear
and like everyone can It seems 

955
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,100
to have extra eligibility. 
But yeah, you were in that are 

956
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:41,100
in the mid 90s where it seemed 
like there's a couple guys in 

957
00:46:41,107 --> 00:46:43,000
the Big Ten. 
It's like in a good way. 

958
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,200
It's like damn I'm tired of 
seeing Jeff settles because he's

959
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,400
like torturing us as an IU fan. 
So yeah, you were around for a 

960
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,400
while. 
Obviously, as well. 

961
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,400
Who's that was James? 
You said on Twitter? 

962
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,400
Yeah. 
You couldn't talk all this shit 

963
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,200
to James. 
You want. 

964
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:56,900
Yes. 
Yeah. 

965
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:59,100
James man. 
Come on buddy, you know, I mean,

966
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,100
I just I just love playing 
Indiana. 

967
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,500
I just wanted to keep coming 
back and just experience. 

968
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,900
The banners. 
And hey, no, look this is this 

969
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:10,100
is interesting because about 
three days ago. 

970
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:13,100
I got this. 
I got a text from how true it be

971
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:15,900
10.com. 
Who's the internet side of the 

972
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,900
Big Ten Network and we're doing 
something we're working on right

973
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:19,700
now. 
I don't know if we'll be able to

974
00:47:19,707 --> 00:47:23,100
pull it off or not. 
But we're working on my all 

975
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:28,500
sixth year team. 
This year is great right now. 

976
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:31,600
We're working on that. 
So it's a Larry's timing here. 

977
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,800
So we're he's like texting me 
guys. 

978
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,300
I'm texting back. 
I'm safe. 

979
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:38,500
Are you sure that's 60 or guy's 
not a fifth year. 

980
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:40,500
So we're just kind of scrambling
here. 

981
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:43,900
I and I'd always joking. 
So why would why would they pick

982
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:46,100
me to go to be at the pick this 
team? 

983
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:51,600
So it's the sarcasm so I was 
evident schmeyer. 

984
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,300
Yes. 
Did play six years in 

985
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:57,400
Northwestern and Danny Earl also
got a six year. 

986
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,200
He was a guard at Penn State. 
You guys might remember and then

987
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,500
I'm going to say 45 years ago, 
Tracy Abrams. 

988
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,500
Yes, I do. 
Annoy played six years. 

989
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:11,500
Now. 
We when I was on the set for the

990
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:13,600
studio. 
So that was four of us that I 

991
00:48:13,607 --> 00:48:15,700
know of. 
So, we kind of had this running 

992
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:19,000
joke that I coach this team and 
that it's called a six-year team

993
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,200
and we actually pulled out this 
fake contract. 

994
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,000
We signed Robbie Hummel to the 
team because we needed scoring 

995
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,800
and guess what? 
Right? 

996
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,900
So, but Robbie only played at 
Purdue five years, but everybody

997
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:34,000
thought he was there six or 
seven. 

998
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,900
So we just Have this this fun 
thing. 

999
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:39,800
Well now, you know, there are 30
guys who came back. 

1000
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,200
So we were talking about Jordan 
Bohannon. 

1001
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:45,200
We were to are are Curry. 
I guess it. 

1002
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,700
Minnesota has the option of 
coming back for a seventh year, 

1003
00:48:49,700 --> 00:48:53,800
believe it or not are Curry. 
And I don't, he may take that, 

1004
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,300
he may take that I think Willis.
Maybe was there six years. 

1005
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,500
There's a couple other. 
Guyot, Kyle young. 

1006
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,200
I believe, it'll heiio, state is
on his sixth year. 

1007
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:06,200
There's one other guy and I 
can't think of him. 

1008
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:10,600
My opinion on the whole thing is
if you know, to be serious about

1009
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,700
it, I would let guys come for 
four years and that's it. 

1010
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:18,800
Regardless. 
You could probably talk me in to

1011
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,700
a redshirt fifth year, but the 
6th Ave a 25 year old playing 

1012
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:26,300
against an 18 or 19 year old to 
me defeats the whole purpose of 

1013
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:30,400
college sports II, don't I don't
like it. 

1014
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,200
Now we when we came back for our
six years in the night is 

1015
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,600
obviously We were seriously 
injured but they it was a 

1016
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,200
serious hardship. 
Now. 

1017
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:40,500
It's like hey, I don't want to 
play overseas. 

1018
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:43,000
I want to get a PhD. 
Yeah. 

1019
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:44,700
Anyway, so yeah, that's where 
I'm at. 

1020
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:47,900
I was there six years now, 
everybody's there six years. 

1021
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:51,800
The whole thing's a mess, but we
live with it and you know, some 

1022
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,500
teams have definitely benefited 
from it. 

1023
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,200
You were a trendsetter you were 
earlier that. 

1024
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,100
You're either crazy. 
Yeah, you're like an early 

1025
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:01,600
adopter, the truth story. 
After my final game in Indiana. 

1026
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,800
I think it was senior day maybe 
or I think it was their senior 

1027
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,400
day coach. 
Nick comes up to me after the 

1028
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,500
game and you know, and Coach 
Knight people. 

1029
00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:11,600
If you've never stood coach, 
Knight is huge. 

1030
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:15,600
You do realize all the 
intimidation factor is his size 

1031
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,700
as much as anything else. 
I mean, he is, he came up to me 

1032
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:22,800
and just, you know, got up in 
me, and said he says, he said, 

1033
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,800
sarcastically settles, don't you
even think about coming back for

1034
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,000
a seventh year? 
So extra sir. 

1035
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,800
Now you're dead on. 
I, when I went to, I you I went 

1036
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,200
96 to 2000 and I grew up in 
Bloomington. 

1037
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,200
So I was, I was going to games 
from like, 85 86 on, but a bob, 

1038
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,600
Knight taught, a class called 
coaching basketball. 

1039
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,800
And I took the class my junior 
year and it was awesome. 

1040
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,800
Like you had, you know, one 
class for night. 

1041
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,800
Just talked about kind of in an 
hour where we talk about 

1042
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,300
whatever you want, whatever he 
wanted, which was whatever he 

1043
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:55,800
wanted. 
And then we went on to the court

1044
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,300
with the time Norm Ellenberger 
and they would run through 

1045
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:00,400
plays. 
I ended up coaching like, you 

1046
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,200
know, middle school, high school
basketball in Texas. 

1047
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,600
I like that. 
Playbook is like my Bible, but 

1048
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,200
you are right. 
I would always tell people like 

1049
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,500
you. 
Bob Knight was a was a huge 

1050
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:09,900
dude. 
I'm he played played on won. 

1051
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:13,600
A title has Ohio State, but he 
was like a legit 68. 250. 

1052
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:17,800
I mean he was so he was a big 
guy and it's like it was part of

1053
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,800
what made him kind of scare him.
I was in there and class and 

1054
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,500
it's like nobody want. 
I always joke, I remember night 

1055
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:27,100
walked out then like, you know, 
I'm sitting in the back he walks

1056
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,200
back in and just puts his hand 
on. 

1057
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:31,300
Shoulder and you just, you know,
talking about something kind of 

1058
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:33,800
using me as an armrest and I'm 
just look over and there's like 

1059
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,800
the 76 undefeated, you know, 
championship ring. 

1060
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,700
I'm just thinking to myself, 
like, don't burp, don't fart, 

1061
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:43,100
like, just don't do anything to 
get his attention because yeah, 

1062
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:45,600
you know, you're right. 
He was a people didn't realize 

1063
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,100
what a big guy. 
He was. 

1064
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:50,400
Yeah. 
No, that's that's incredibly 

1065
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,000
intimidating. 
Obviously. 

1066
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,000
I mean everybody knows that but 
if you've never stood next to 

1067
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,600
him or had he put his hand on 
your shoulder something it's 

1068
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,800
like, yeah, he's a powerful 
dude, but I, I remember I was I 

1069
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,800
had I talk in the bar. 
Fox Mark, Fox is one of our 

1070
00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:06,900
producers. 
Big Ten Network was Dawkins 

1071
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:08,500
producer. 
He is peeing for a long time. 

1072
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:11,100
And, and we've talked about 
those bob Knight coaching 

1073
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:14,800
classes before when coach used 
to address the student body. 

1074
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,300
Those are just some legendary, 
my Aunt Barb kreger. 

1075
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,200
My mom sister was one of the and
might have been I get it 

1076
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,900
confused, but she might have 
been the first full ride 

1077
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:29,100
scholarship, female basketball 
player and and, Indiana. 

1078
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,300
She was one of the first couple 
and she used to talk about the 

1079
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:34,600
class as well. 
Like the clap the coaching 

1080
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,200
class, right? 
I mean there, there's some 

1081
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,400
incredible story. 
But if I remember, right? 

1082
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,900
It will was like, you could miss
one class for the semester or 

1083
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:45,900
there's no, you showing up for 
the next one. 

1084
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:47,600
Right? 
Like, you admitted more in 

1085
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,000
class. 
Miss one class. 

1086
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,000
You get to see Miss to clashes. 
You get an F. 

1087
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,400
No sandwich. 
No earrings. 

1088
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,200
No hats. 
No, no, there. 

1089
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,000
I remember it. 
And yeah, and he but he I mean, 

1090
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:59,100
but again, with night, you hear 
that. 

1091
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,800
Like, oh, he's just a hard-ass 
like no like there was and he he

1092
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,600
was great and he was obviously I
grew up in that era I worship at

1093
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,200
his altar so to speak. 
But me he would say like how you

1094
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,100
raise your hands, how many you 
guys skip you know your English 

1095
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:11,100
class. 
We all raise our hands. 

1096
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:12,300
You how many skip your science 
class? 

1097
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:13,100
Raise your hands. 
How many? 

1098
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:15,200
Skip my class? 
Nobody raised their hands and 

1099
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,200
he'd be like what the fuck's 
wrong with you. 

1100
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:18,500
So you're paying to go to 
college. 

1101
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:20,400
If you're wasting, I'm a 
basketball coach. 

1102
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,200
Like, why are you coming to my 
class? 

1103
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,000
Like, why are you skipping your 
other classes? 

1104
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:26,200
He's like, if you skip another 
clay, he would just any Trail in

1105
00:53:26,207 --> 00:53:28,400
to us about skipping class, but 
it's like you get it. 

1106
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,100
It's like it. 
Point is valid. 

1107
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:31,300
It's like we're going here to 
learn. 

1108
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:34,000
I mean, obviously he's teaching 
us something but in the end like

1109
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,300
he's a basketball coach. 
We're there to get her degree in

1110
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:38,000
history science, you know 
English, whatever. 

1111
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,400
It's like, why are we skipping 
other classes? 

1112
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,100
But not skipping this class. 
It was on. 

1113
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:45,200
And then, I know, I don't take 
too much more of your time. 

1114
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:46,500
But I always cracked me up on 
me. 

1115
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:50,000
I did not play high school. 
I was a, you know, I play 

1116
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,800
Pick-up basketball. 
I'm okay for a pickup basketball

1117
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,700
player, but like we would go on 
the court and we would run the 

1118
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:57,300
play. 
It would run a practice with 

1119
00:53:57,300 --> 00:53:58,900
Norm Ellenberger and run the 
plays. 

1120
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,900
And I don't know, this guy's 
name, like one of the kids in 

1121
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:03,400
the class. 
It was great. 

1122
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,400
They normally like, all right. 
I need you guys to line up. 

1123
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,100
He's so all right, coach that 
lineup. 

1124
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:08,800
Ego lineup. 
He smack, you on the ass and 

1125
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,400
like on the layoffs. 
He's hit the backboard. 

1126
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,900
I'm thinking like do you think 
we're gonna cut AJ Guyton and 

1127
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:17,000
just put you on the team? 
Like it's like you can tell two 

1128
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,500
of the guys in the class 
thought. 

1129
00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:21,500
Like this was their shot to make
the IU basketball team. 

1130
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,200
Oh, yeah. 
Hey, you know, that's, that's 

1131
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,000
on, right. 
I always thought every everybody

1132
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,200
in. 
State of Indiana can play 

1133
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,700
basketball. 
So you probably are selling 

1134
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:35,900
yourself short, but I do I do, 
right? 

1135
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:37,800
It's love-hate. 
I would coach night. 

1136
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,900
I mean, yeah, that's that's the 
way he kind of Drew The Sword in

1137
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:46,300
the in the sand and you're the 
one side or another and it's 

1138
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:49,100
complicated and it's and the 
history. 

1139
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:54,100
And I know if you went to school
during that era, you witnessed 

1140
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,900
me, you're going to school in 
the 80s, early 90s. 

1141
00:54:57,700 --> 00:54:59,500
It's it right. 
It's Vehicle. 

1142
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:02,700
And then the book comes out in 
the movie comes out, the 

1143
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:08,600
Championships, and the banners. 
And I, I just, you know, I love 

1144
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,300
the history of it. 
And you mentioned, Joe Hillman, 

1145
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:14,400
the, when I talked to Coach fish
or not coach, Fred, when I talk 

1146
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,500
to Don, fish before games, and I
want to pick his brain a little 

1147
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:22,600
bit with, at least within the 
first two minutes. 

1148
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,800
I always take, tell me, tell me 
about the 1989 team and, and 

1149
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,800
it's like, you know, I know what
he's going to say because he's 

1150
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,700
already told me that the story 
three or four times now, but I 

1151
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:36,900
just love to hear it because 
it's there. 

1152
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:43,200
He was there and most people 
would say that's not the best 

1153
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,900
team to ever play in the Big 
Ten, but it might be the very 

1154
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:53,000
definition of the greatest team 
to ever play because they had no

1155
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,600
business winning the league that
year. 

1156
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:57,500
And you look at that lineup. 
They had no business. 

1157
00:55:57,700 --> 00:56:00,200
With all the superstars in the 
League and they want it. 

1158
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:04,600
And that may be that that team 
may be the most impactful as far

1159
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,800
as my childhood. 
How in the world did they win? 

1160
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,100
The Big Ten title with what Joe 
Hellman was playing Center and 

1161
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:13,500
forward after year. 
Yeah. 

1162
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:16,900
I mean that's it's a you had 
Eric Eric Anderson, but he 

1163
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:18,800
hadn't liked J. 
Edwards is a guy who's just 

1164
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,700
ahead of his time. 
You can equipment. 

1165
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,800
Yeah, he comes out today and 
it's it goes differently. 

1166
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,600
I will I'll get you out of here 
on this, you know, you mentioned

1167
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,100
earlier about the the era of the
guys, you play. 

1168
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,400
Coaches that were there like 
coaching temperaments. 

1169
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,300
If you had bob Knight Eugene, 
Katie, you have Lou Henson 

1170
00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:36,900
quietly. 
My favorite stat is the 

1171
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:40,100
winningest, Big, 10 coach in the
80s is Lou Henson that you can 

1172
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:43,800
work and get anybody wrong with 
that and then you got it early. 

1173
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,100
Tom is owner the end of your 
career. 

1174
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:46,400
I'm just curious. 
You already gave us one. 

1175
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,000
Goodnight story. 
Do you have any other good 

1176
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,100
stories of those guy? 
I mean that to me is I feel like

1177
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:54,800
we're slowly getting back there 
with coaches in the Big Ten, but

1178
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,100
that's always going to be like 
the Golden Era of India. 

1179
00:56:57,100 --> 00:56:58,900
Dr. Tom. 
Have you obviously played for 

1180
00:56:58,900 --> 00:56:59,700
it. 
No, I'm just curious. 

1181
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:02,500
You have any good stories from 
those got that, that group of 

1182
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:06,900
coaches who were fun? 
Flamboyant boisterous, like just

1183
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:10,100
a great group of coaches for 
from a entertainment standpoint 

1184
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:12,200
and he'll coaches all across the
board to. 

1185
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,800
Yeah, Jud heathcote was the 
first letter that I received. 

1186
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,000
That was probably an eighth 
grade. 

1187
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,700
He had such an incredible sense 
of humor. 

1188
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:24,200
And this was back when you had 
the phones with a cord on the 

1189
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,600
wall, right? 
And you didn't get to talk to 

1190
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,700
people very often because your 
mom and dad would only give Five

1191
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:32,500
minutes a night on the phone 
because your plot could be your 

1192
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:35,300
B busy and they're doing 
business and stuff like that. 

1193
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:38,300
So you have you remember the old
tape recording machines? 

1194
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:42,900
And so Judd would leave these 
hilarious messages on the 

1195
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:47,000
answering machine. 
I think I'm 50/50 whether my mom

1196
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,900
still has them in a box, you 
know, the cassettes up in the 

1197
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:54,200
attic but he would leave the he 
would call it each say Jess. 

1198
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,800
You know, where are you? 
I'm trying to recruit you. 

1199
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:57,800
Don't? 
You want to talk to me? 

1200
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,900
Just just hilarious? 
And then literally five minutes 

1201
00:58:01,900 --> 00:58:04,400
later he would call back again 
if you like. 

1202
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,200
I'm still waiting to hear from 
you. 

1203
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,000
Are you home yet? 
I mean just crack up. 

1204
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,200
Just having fun. 
I mean it was it was all in 

1205
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,700
jest. 
So I just I loved I loved him. 

1206
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,100
Gene Keady, you know had some 
War Gene Keady. 

1207
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:21,400
Always really is respected you 
if you're a warrior, so he 

1208
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,200
always he always liked the way. 
I played kind of blue collared 

1209
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,700
stuff and I will talk to him and
some final fours. 

1210
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:30,700
I haven't talked to him in a few
years, but we That, that the 

1211
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:36,200
Indiana Purdue rivalry was and 
you remember, the, the 

1212
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,100
basketball show, the coaches 
shows. 

1213
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:42,600
Yep, and the donkey, and all 
that crap, just hilarious. 

1214
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:47,500
But when you talk to night and 
Katie, it's still, without 

1215
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:50,500
putting words in their mouth. 
It's still personal to them that

1216
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:53,600
Indiana, Purdue rivalry and and 
Coach, Katie would say something

1217
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,400
like, you'd be like, you know, 
at least at least when we played

1218
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,000
in Iowa, we wouldn't get screwed
by the officials like we did. 

1219
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:02,300
Every time we played in Indiana,
you know, like still to this 

1220
00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:04,800
day. 
Like he feels like he got jobbed

1221
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:06,800
time, which is just awesome. 
Right? 

1222
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,100
Just it wasn't. 
We had three channels. 

1223
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,400
And, you know, do you have other
social media and all the cables?

1224
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,100
So you just you locked in with 
your team and the coaching shows

1225
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:23,300
and the writers and, and, and 
Coach hints at an Illinois had 

1226
00:59:23,300 --> 00:59:26,300
some good battles with him, 
Lauren Tate. 

1227
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:29,000
Who's the legendary writer 
reporter at? 

1228
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:34,200
Boy, you still going strong as a
radio show at age. 90, he died. 

1229
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,000
Two years ago when I was in 
town. 

1230
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:39,100
He took me over to coach hence 
his house and we got to spend a 

1231
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:41,900
couple hours with Coach hence 
and his family and he's recently

1232
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:44,400
passed away. 
But that was just Priceless to 

1233
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,700
me and he was sharp as a wit and
to talk about the Indiana 

1234
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:51,300
rivalry and Purdue and Michigan 
State. 

1235
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:56,000
It was, you know, those are the 
times and you just as a kid, you

1236
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,300
don't think those times are ever
going to end you just it's it's 

1237
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:02,100
just glorious. 
You happen to catch the elite 

1238
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:03,600
players. 
You happen to catch Indiana 

1239
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,400
during the Glory Days. 
Purdue Glory Days, Illinois. 

1240
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,700
Final fours. 
Dr. Tom it had Iowa. 

1241
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:13,200
I was very fortunate to be 
recruited or at least to talk to

1242
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,800
during the recruiting process. 
A lot of those guys and I'm 

1243
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,400
better for it was a real 
blessing. 

1244
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,100
No question. 
Yeah, you mentioned obviously an

1245
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:23,900
Indiana fan. 
I went to I you and you 

1246
01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:28,600
mentioned like I you winning 
that 89 Big Ten title, one of my

1247
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,900
All-time non IU, Big Ten teams 
is also that 89 Illinois team 

1248
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:35,500
that went to the final four with
Anderson and battle and Gil and 

1249
01:00:35,500 --> 01:00:37,900
Liberty. 
And it's like I also like top 

1250
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:42,800
one to two uniforms in the Big 
Ten, just the fighting Illini 

1251
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:46,800
that uniform just like and so 
even to your point again, giving

1252
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,900
IU Credit. 
It's like it's not like I you 

1253
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:52,000
won the Big Ten in a down year. 
Like you had maybe one of the 

1254
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,800
best teams to not win a title in
that 89, Illinois, team. 

1255
01:00:55,700 --> 01:00:57,800
We'll look again. 
I don't know. 

1256
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,000
I don't know. 
Pamela. 

1257
01:00:59,300 --> 01:01:01,900
Did anybody ever write a book on
that season? 

1258
01:01:01,900 --> 01:01:05,900
Like it's insane, you know, 
Michigan won the national title 

1259
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:08,400
with Glen Rice from Neil. 
Robertson Lloyd Bashan. 

1260
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,100
Hit ya Minnesota. 
I think was top five. 

1261
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,900
I think I would be J. 
Roy said was number one in the 

1262
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:16,800
country that year. 
It's insane like that. 

1263
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,500
It was it was a it was the minor
leagues of the NBA. 

1264
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,700
And yeah, you got, you know, Jay
Edwards hitting the over the 

1265
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:28,500
backboard shots, but there's 
they had no business even 

1266
01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:32,300
finish. 
Top five that year, no business.

1267
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:35,000
And I've had this conversation 
with Stephen Bardo, and he had 

1268
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,400
just shake his head and how I 
don't know, like, I would love 

1269
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,800
to, that's why I always ask fish
about it because he just starts 

1270
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,700
reeling off stories about it 
that, that, just blow your mind.

1271
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,100
That's anybody out there. 
Listening. 

1272
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:50,400
You're right. 
That's a great book. 

1273
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,100
I mean, that year is wild 
because, yeah, that that 

1274
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:55,500
Illinois team is almost 
legendary and you're right. 

1275
01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:57,600
I honestly felt. 
I didn't forget. 

1276
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:58,900
B. 
Again, Michigan, won the title 

1277
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:01,800
that Year, it's just that's it. 
That was a stacked. 

1278
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,200
Got that was a stacked run 
because if you go kind of you go

1279
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,800
right into that great iut with 
Calbert cheaney. 

1280
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,700
You have the Fab Five at 
Michigan. 

1281
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:12,100
Like just a big tennis humming 
for like six years there. 

1282
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:17,800
Yeah, and and, and so many NBA 
players who became All-Stars and

1283
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,200
and, you know, going back when 
I'm set on the other night about

1284
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,300
Keegan Murray at Iowa, jump a 
back. 

1285
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:25,100
Is he the most talented player 
in Iowa history? 

1286
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:27,400
I'm, you know, I'm what I'm 
talking about, a lot of these 

1287
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,800
guys in teams and Legacy. 
I'm not Talking about the most 

1288
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,400
successful or the greatest 
winners. 

1289
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:36,100
I'm just talking about guys. 
Who, if you're a lottery pick 

1290
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,200
chances are, you're pretty. 
You're pretty tough. 

1291
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:42,500
You're pretty good and there 
were tons of them. 

1292
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:49,900
The leak was so spectacular in 
89 that Roy marble, who up until

1293
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,400
Garza broke, his scoring 
all-time scoring record. 

1294
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,900
Last year, Roy marble did not 
even make First Team, all League

1295
01:02:55,900 --> 01:02:59,800
that year in the Big Ten. 
It's wild. 

1296
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,400
You can't you can't get your 
mind right up its mate. 

1297
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,200
Yeah, I wish somebody would 
write that book in about nine 

1298
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,500
and maybe somebody has. 
If you know somebody hit me on 

1299
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:13,300
Twitter if you ever come across 
that because it's some it's NBA 

1300
01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:17,200
All-Stars. 
It's I think L annoy beat 

1301
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:22,200
Michigan in Ann Arbor, Maybe by 
15 that year and then that was 

1302
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,800
also the year that fisher took 
over when freeter was the lame 

1303
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,800
duck. 
And then, Michigan. 

1304
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:31,600
We'll all be in the final four 
because what Nick Anderson did 

1305
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,600
block out Sean Higgins on the 
last second tip in and then 

1306
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,600
they've been Michigan. 
Beat Seton Hall, Andhra meals 

1307
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,600
shots, but you know, no one 
would ever remember that. 

1308
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:43,800
Not no one but outside of the 
league no one would ever 

1309
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,100
remember that Indiana won the 
conference that year and you'd 

1310
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:50,100
be like, this is some sort of 
typos and we got Joe Hellman 

1311
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:55,000
trying to guard NBA All-Stars 
and by golly, the guy got it 

1312
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,100
done. 
That's that's the best team of 

1313
01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:00,400
my lifetime. 
At the greatest team but the 

1314
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,300
best team is a kind of mix words
here. 

1315
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:08,200
Ya know, and you're right about 
that that the the amount of 

1316
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:09,300
talent. 
Got a look at the all Big. 

1317
01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:11,100
Ten team from 89. 
It's wild. 

1318
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:14,200
Like and it Horton from Iowa, 
made it be a of J Edwards, Nick 

1319
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,300
Anderson Glen Rice, but I mean 
God. 

1320
01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:20,300
Yeah, it's there's so much 
talent like, to me, I'll end on 

1321
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:22,200
this. 
Like, I did, it doesn't really 

1322
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,500
fit in, but like you mentioned 
like those teams like to me, the

1323
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:28,800
guy you mentioned to do Jud 
heathcote the player that always

1324
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:32,200
Boggled my mind did some of the 
most impressive things I ever 

1325
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,900
saw an assembly hall with Sean 
respiratory. 

1326
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,500
Like I know we're jumping ahead 
like four or five years, but to 

1327
01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:39,800
me like that was that was a guy 
to it's like, I don't know how 

1328
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:41,800
he didn't. 
I don't think they have a better

1329
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,900
NBA career because he had a 
great professional career and 

1330
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:46,200
it's not all about the NBA but 
that was a guy who I remember 

1331
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,400
seeing him being like Jesus is 
like a different level of 

1332
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,300
player. 
And it's it's kind of lost to 

1333
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:52,600
the Sands of I coming. 
Sadly Calbert chains and kind of

1334
01:04:52,607 --> 01:04:56,100
the same boat like Big Ten fans 
know who he is, but greater 

1335
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:59,600
basketball probably, you know, 
vaguely know, Calbert cheaney 

1336
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,900
and probably don't even know who
Sean respite is which to me is 

1337
01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:05,100
is sad. 
Yeah, you know tell me about it.

1338
01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:11,000
I we used to run a 2-3 Zone with
kind of a unique scheme and I 

1339
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:16,100
had to guard the box as a power 
forward, but I also had to get 

1340
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:19,500
out to the corner which was 
almost impossible. 

1341
01:05:19,500 --> 01:05:22,400
Let's be real right. 
And so I'm like thank God I 

1342
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,100
didn't have to wasn't there 
having a guard Calbert cheaney 

1343
01:05:25,100 --> 01:05:28,500
route of been in the been ugly, 
but I'm telling coached him to 

1344
01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:30,700
some like Can't get out and 
guard Sean respirator. 

1345
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:33,500
He's going to be in the corner 
and he's just going to torch me.

1346
01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:35,900
Like I can't do it. 
Well, well, then we'll find 

1347
01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:37,200
somebody else who could do it, 
you know, what to do. 

1348
01:05:37,207 --> 01:05:38,800
You know how it used to be back 
then right? 

1349
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,100
Right, right. 
I'm like, okay. 

1350
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:40,600
Okay. 
Okay. 

1351
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,500
I'll well, I think the first 
time I played against me, hyung 

1352
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:46,100
3032 on me. 
It's felt like half of them were

1353
01:05:46,107 --> 01:05:49,200
from the corner. 
It's a pretty good and that's 

1354
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,100
what, that's what he averaged 
me. 

1355
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:52,900
But you held a pretty good 
honestly, right? 

1356
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:56,000
He, he tweeted something at me a
few months ago. 

1357
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,500
And I think I put something out 
there like, man, this, this Guys

1358
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,300
guys, I totally agree. 
What, I totally agree with you, 

1359
01:06:02,300 --> 01:06:03,700
like don't forget that. 
Sean. 

1360
01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:07,200
Ruster now, I believe that he 
had an illness. 

1361
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,500
Maybe he got, he was not healthy
going into the NBA and and 

1362
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:14,000
that's why he didn't have a 
spectacular cry. 

1363
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,500
He had a serious illness and I'm
not sure what it was. 

1364
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,300
Okay. 
Yeah, I don't I don't remember 

1365
01:06:19,300 --> 01:06:23,100
that and I yeah, it's anyway 
just but you know, he was, he 

1366
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:25,100
was phenomenal, that we should 
need to. 

1367
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:27,500
Have you on just do like a 1989 
retrospective. 

1368
01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:29,800
Like there's a podcast series. 
We just go through every game in

1369
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,600
the Big Ten and 89 and just just
dig deep and live in the past. 

1370
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,500
That would be fun. 
I know right. 

1371
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,500
You guys I mean come on you got 
to get your squad to create a 

1372
01:06:40,500 --> 01:06:42,100
new future. 
So we don't have to live in the 

1373
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:44,500
past, right? 
Me some get Indiana on a final 

1374
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:45,100
four. 
Run here. 

1375
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:46,700
We got to change the subject 
looking forward. 

1376
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,000
Write it from your lips to God's
ears, man. 

1377
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,200
Yes, I want it more than that. 
You know, hopefully, we're on 

1378
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,400
the right path. 
But let's let's let's get to the

1379
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,000
tournament this year. 
And then yeah, I'd love to have 

1380
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,000
you back beginning of next year 
and talk about kind of where 

1381
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,600
we're at, who's here? 
And what you're looking for. 

1382
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,300
Indiana? 
Hello. 

1383
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:06,300
Yeah, I appreciate being on and 
you know, it's fun to talk about

1384
01:07:06,300 --> 01:07:08,400
it. 
Yeah, and if Indiana went to if 

1385
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,500
Indiana, won three national 
titles in a row over the next 

1386
01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:14,000
three years, we still couldn't 
get enough of the 80s of Indiana

1387
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,600
basketball. 
You just can't, you can't get 

1388
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,900
enough of it. 
No, I mean it's just it's the 

1389
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:20,200
coaches, the players everything 
you said so I don't take any 

1390
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,500
more of your time Jess. 
It's been a, it's been awesome. 

1391
01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:24,000
We'll definitely have you back 
on. 

1392
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,100
Follow him on the Big Ten 
Network or it's just settles 

1393
01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:30,100
hoop on Twitter and for 
everybody for listening. 

1394
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:31,900
Thank you guys and we'll be 
back. 

1395
01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:34,600
Hopefully after a Rutgers wind 
later on this week, but this is 

1396
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,700
Scott for Crimson cast signing 
off.