1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,520 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:20,840 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson, Cascail 3 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,880 and Clavio. Here it is Sunday, October 29th. 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,920 I managed to flip jobs with Scott. 5 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,640 Scott had to do the Football Post Game Podcast, and I get to 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,600 talk about IU basketball this weekend. 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,600 So I finally feel like I won in the office assignments for 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,040 Crimson Cast this week. But we got a fun show coming up 9 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,520 here, our old friend Chronic Hoosier joining us to talk IU 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,280 basketball. 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But here we are. 51 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,640 What a pod that has grown up it's been. 52 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:59,000 It's been wild to a. To to watch the the the lifespan 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,880 of Crimson cast. Congratulations on on your 54 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:07,080 thousand pod milestone. It's just truly remarkable that 55 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,000 you have spent this long talking about not just IU sports but 56 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,520 particularly IU football. But that's not where we're here 57 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,800 today. But just a remarkable 58 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,800 achievement. I cannot cannot thank you guys 59 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,080 enough for all the content you've posted the conversations 60 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,680 we've shared together and as you mentioned it has been a minute 61 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,040 since I've been on. So it's glad to be, I'm glad to 62 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,000 be back with you. I appreciate all that. 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,720 Thank you. It's funny. 64 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,560 A couple of things. I'll pick up on that. 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,200 First of all, AI does wonders for how we look after 1000 66 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,000 episodes these days. So I'm just a Bing, you know, 67 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,800 simulation of Doctor GC at this stage as opposed to the actual 68 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,240 person. I feel like I'm in Tron 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,360 sometimes where like we've just kind of entered into the circuit 70 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,680 board. But I always this time of year, 71 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,800 I always remember that the first time I met you in person was via 72 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Twitter when I was at a Hoosier Hysteria and I tweeted out 73 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,520 Where's Chronic Hoosier? It turned out Chronic Hoosier 74 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,440 was literally sitting in the next row in front of me, and we 75 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,160 sat there during Hoosier Hysteria and we watched D Marc 76 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,240 Michelle playing for IU. We never actually saw him put on 77 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,000 a uniform in the regular season, but that's been. 78 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,399 Stop them from getting one at Senior Dick. 79 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:22,640 That's a fairpoint. Yes, firmly in the always will 80 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,360 be an Indiana Hoosier family along with Josh Smith. 81 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,360 But what was that 13 years ago, I think, at this point? 82 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:31,520 It's been a minute ago. It's been a long minute ago. 83 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:37,320 I still remember sitting on your couch over on the North Side and 84 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,680 having a conversation with you and Scott and Matt Zimmerman. 85 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,680 And just remarking that you know you can meet people online and 86 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,280 you actually get together in in person, face to face and share 87 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:51,880 your misery of being IU football fans together and people tuned 88 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,440 in to listen. It was the easiest. 89 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,640 Thing in the world. What a, what a wonderful, 90 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,800 sadistic bunch we all are. So truly well, it's. 91 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,600 Been a wild ride it has been and it it's ongoing which I guess we 92 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,680 should be thankful for because I'd rather it was ongoing than 93 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,560 not at this point. So so let's dive in. 94 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,240 Indiana played an exhibition game today as they kind of 95 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,200 officially kick off the we're going to play other teams part 96 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,400 of the 20/23/24 season they take on the University of 97 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,360 Indianapolis really for most people the first chance that 98 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,840 they've gotten to see some of these new Hoosiers in action. 99 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,160 Pretty rough first half, which that has been kind of normal 100 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,680 around college basketball. If you read about some of these 101 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,000 exhibitions and some of these secret scrimmages that we've 102 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,920 seen. Kentucky struggled in their 103 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,880 first game, their first exhibition game. 104 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,440 We've seen a couple of other teams do that. 105 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,120 Indiana was not spared that. They really struggled in the 106 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,480 first half. They end up really pouring it on 107 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,960 in the second-half and kind of found themselves offensively. 108 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,960 Defensively, really played well, I think in both halves. 109 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,240 Overall, I know that you didn't get a chance to watch the whole 110 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,240 thing, but just from what you've seen statistically and what you 111 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,600 did get to see with the game, what stuck out to you, I guess 112 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,080 first and foremost? Well, I I did get to watch all 113 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,080 of it. I I maybe I was incomplete. 114 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,520 I spent most of it fumbling with a laptop while watching the BTN 115 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,920 broadcast being Chromecast on my my 75 inch. 116 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,640 So kudos to the Kudos to Zion and Austin. 117 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,840 For tremendous broadcast Amanda. Like a lot of folks in my house 118 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:37,920 battling some some full time cold issues, but always always a 119 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,760 top notch professional broadcast. 120 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,440 Which I greatly appreciate. We had some commitments that 121 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,240 kept us from attending. The game would have missed start 122 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,480 by about the first, probably half of the first half had we 123 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,920 tried to go, so we decided to just stick it out on the couch. 124 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,680 Plus that way I could join you afterwards. 125 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,520 But no, it was everything you'd expect from an exhibition game. 126 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,120 With just a boatload of new faces on the floor, a completely 127 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,760 remade roster A-Team that's really going to have to find 128 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,240 it's it's itself effectively. And that's exactly what 129 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,200 exhibition games are for here. The first half was just 130 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,040 absolutely as clunky and sloppy as you would expect from you 131 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,680 know from those circumstances. But you know, I think I was, I 132 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,000 was more interested to see how they responded at after after 133 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,960 the halftime break, how they settled it in the 2nd and they, 134 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,760 you know, they came down, they put the foot to the floor. 135 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,120 And they got the job done. And you know, I I thought 136 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,920 there's a lot of promise across the floor. 137 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,960 You know, it's certainly going to be weird seeing this team not 138 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,000 consistently dumping the ball down in the little blocks and 139 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,640 just living in the paint. And and you could tell early on 140 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,120 that those that muscle memory was still there at times and the 141 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,400 ball didn't necessarily know how it's supposed to move. 142 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,520 But I think that the thing that I was probably most impressed 143 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,760 with, even in spite of some of the offensive struggles, was. 144 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,960 The the defensive commitment. I felt like you Andy was only 145 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,840 able to, you know, took the lead into half and kept it relatively 146 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,000 close, largely because they were, they were pretty effective 147 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,720 from the three-point line. Indiana, you know, as Hoosier 148 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,000 fans have seen for a while, they get stuck in rotation. 149 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,800 They get lost in rotation a little bit or a little. 150 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,560 Slow in the rotations ended up giving up some pretty easy 151 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,280 buckets, and when you're shooting, is just the volume of 152 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,440 three pointers that Indy was. Eventually those things are 153 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:25,880 going to go in. So for a team that was 154 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,920 struggling to get some offense generated, I thought All in all 155 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,800 it did a pretty decent job defensively. 156 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,400 I was a little bit disappointed with the rebounding effort. 157 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,280 I thought UND compete on the glass a whole lot better than 158 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,880 what they probably should have given the the length of the 159 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,720 athleticism differential. But All in all, you know I I 160 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,360 like what we saw from some of the new guys. 161 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,600 I think it's obviously going to be a work in process. 162 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,600 We're talking about Game 0 effectively, then you know this 163 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,840 one doesn't count, but. You know, with the exception of 164 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,120 the the injury to Peyton Sparks. You know, I think All in all it 165 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,160 was a pretty it was a fun afternoon. 166 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,440 It maybe wasn't the prettiest afternoon, but it was just fun 167 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,760 to see the guys back on the floor, get some run and see the 168 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,120 ball go in the hoop again. I echo a lot of those 169 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,560 sentiments. Yeah, the the three-point 170 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:13,360 shooting for you, Andy was really interesting. 171 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,080 They ended up shooting 35 threes on the game. 172 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,240 They hit six out of the 19 they shot in the first half. 173 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,160 They were only two for 16 in the second-half. 174 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,240 And I thought Indiana did a good job of kind of recalibrating 175 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,120 what they were going to do defensively. 176 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,520 And you mentioned the interior defense. 177 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,600 We didn't see it in the first 10-15 minutes, I thought, but 178 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,840 Coel Ware really started to assert himself and as he started 179 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,000 to find where the ball was going and and where you Andy was 180 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,840 trying to to do things internally, offensively, he was 181 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,680 really making it miserable on them. 182 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:49,560 And that's always been kind of the the, the promise of Coel 183 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:53,800 Ware was that if he could get a focus on what was going on on 184 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,280 the floor, he could really change dynamically what 185 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,200 Indiana's been able to do. Defensively, this looked a lot 186 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,200 more like a defensive effort from two years ago when Indiana 187 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,960 was top 25 or top 30 in the country, as opposed to last 188 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,240 year, where they kind of took their foot off the gas a little 189 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,200 bit Defensively. It felt like offensively, I'm 190 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,880 with you. I mean, I think it was 191 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,080 interesting watching players fall into roles. 192 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,320 You used to go with the starters. 193 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,560 It obviously took Colell Ware a little while to get going, but 194 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:28,280 when he started to really slow down a little bit and take his 195 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,400 time getting his shot off where he needed to go, he ended up six 196 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,040 for 10. He had that three, which got me 197 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,320 certainly excited because that's that Tyson Chandler sort of mold 198 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,560 that we've heard about with him. If he can just pop one of those 199 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:42,200 occasionally, that could completely open up what Indiana 200 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,840 can do. Imbacco, you wondered how he was 201 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,640 going to come in off of the week he had last week. 202 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,200 Seemed a little bit rushed at times, struggled on defense, 203 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,840 certainly in the first half. Tightened that up quite a bit 204 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,840 and offensively I was just happy to see he was not afraid to take 205 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,840 threes. He wasn't afraid to drive. 206 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,600 That's a really athletic player that Indiana's got. 207 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,680 And then once he gets kind of used to the speed of the game, I 208 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:08,520 think the thing that was probably the most remarkable to 209 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,360 me, and the thing I didn't notice until I'm looking at the 210 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,400 statue now, LED Indiana and rebounds, had eight rebounds on 211 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,080 the game and really was in a bunch of opportune spots. 212 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:21,520 The other guy that really stuck out to me was Gabe Cups who was 213 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:26,040 all effort out there, you know hit a couple of layups and you 214 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,960 know, dish. Some, you know only only end up 215 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,920 with one assist, but certainly put the ball in the right spot 216 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,960 and certainly was getting the Indiana crowd excited about some 217 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,040 of the play as he was diving all over the floor. 218 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,120 He looks a lot more ready than it had been intimated to me that 219 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,240 he might have been. As far as the college game was 220 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,800 concerned. He certainly didn't look like he 221 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,200 was too rushed or not physically capable out there. 222 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,200 So yeah, overall, you know, nice to see. 223 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,080 I think it, you know, if you're looking at disappointments 224 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,680 offensively, obviously Trey Galloway really looked off. 225 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:00,520 I thought offensively ended up one for five on the game. 226 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,720 Malik Renew. There were a bunch of times on 227 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,400 the defensive end or in rebounding where he just didn't 228 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,760 seem to quite know where he was supposed to go with things, 229 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,840 which that's a little bit concerning given that that was a 230 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,920 big question mark. But it's also the first 231 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,280 exhibition game and he also finished with 12 points and six 232 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,600 rebounds, so maybe he figured it out by the end of the game. 233 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,200 It's it's an interesting mix of guys and certainly everybody 234 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,120 that played Indiana played ten players in this game. 235 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,880 Everybody looked like they had something to contribute when 236 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,640 they were out on the floor and that has not always been the 237 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,720 case. No, absolutely. 238 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,200 I I think you know you could tell that it was it was really 239 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,040 wonky from the jump and then you see that everywhere. 240 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,520 I mean, unless these guys, you know, say for the teams that 241 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:46,840 have had a chance to go play and. 242 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,280 Some of the preseason tournaments abroad, you know the 243 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,320 first time that you go out underneath the lights, you know 244 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:55,600 there's been a starting lineup that's designated. 245 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,640 Sounds like from the postgame comments, this team has very 246 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,120 much been playing a first squad and a second squad set up. 247 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,040 So you know, for the first time for a lot of these guys stepping 248 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,320 on the assembly hall floor in a real competition, you know, 249 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,040 albeit an exhibition, you expect some of some of the jitters I 250 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,400 guess. It wasn't very fluid certainly, 251 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,640 but you know I thought Khalil Ware was was pretty effective 252 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,840 underneath the the basket. You know, there were times where 253 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,080 I felt like the ball was kind of sticking when Malik had it, 254 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,440 which is you know, the way the ball was intended to to to work 255 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,120 last season. So you know, you could tell they 256 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,320 were trying to figure out what that new rhythm is going to look 257 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,560 like. I thought early in the game, CJ 258 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:45,440 Gunn when he came in. I thought he provided a ton of 259 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,840 energy. He's really good in getting to 260 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,120 the basket, you know, He seemed to be one of the stronger 261 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,000 finishers up front. You could tell Mack was kind of 262 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,680 struggling at first. He's got the explosiveness, but 263 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:58,160 it was just getting everything clicking together. 264 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,120 And then come the second-half, you certainly saw the potential 265 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,320 that we've we've expected in his game. 266 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,800 He's just one of those dudes that there's a time where I kind 267 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,640 of took a step back and like, these are the guys that always 268 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,880 burn Indiana, the dudes that are just impossible to guard create. 269 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,320 Catch up problems, you know can can take a three-point shot from 270 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,040 the corner just as easily as they can. 271 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,000 They can attack the basket. You know, I thought Indiana 272 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:29,200 settled for some mid Rangers. Where they passed on an open 273 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,080 three, you saw Mac do it early, you saw Gabe Cups do it early. 274 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,600 And I get it. Guys trying to be smart, trying 275 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,160 to be unselfish, trying to make the smart play, even though 276 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,480 that's not necessarily the smartest play on the floor, the 277 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,200 mid range jumper anymore. But you know, for a for an 278 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,000 exhibition game. I I felt like they were able to 279 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,240 settle then well enough that you, you know that there's 280 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,360 there's a there's a foundation that's been laid at least 281 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,480 offensively. And I think that probably the 282 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,640 most impressive element of the game was the way this team 283 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,680 looked in transition when they when they were able to ratchet 284 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,960 down the D and get some turnovers and get up up the 285 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,640 floor. I thought this really showed 286 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,240 where the team probably greatest potential may lie this year 287 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,880 compared to last season. And as you mentioned, I think 288 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,360 Gabe Cups just did an Absolutely Fabulous job in turning up the 289 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:18,840 energy on both ends of the floor. 290 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,720 I thought he made a lot of heavy plays. 291 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,160 There was one point. It's been a minute where Don 292 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,160 Fishers voice jumped in my head and all I could think was this 293 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,080 kids a pepper pot like he is, he is that dude. 294 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,080 He's the pepper pot of this generation, and it's been a 295 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,120 while since Indiana had a pepper pot like that. 296 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,280 So you know shout out to Eric Sewer, you love to see that kind 297 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,080 of energy, you love to see that type of intensity and most 298 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,560 importantly you love to see the contagiousness of it. 299 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,160 And I felt like, especially in the second-half, Gabe really 300 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,080 brought some synergy to the floor that was just a welcome 301 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,480 sight and the crowd got into it as you would expect an assembly 302 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,160 hall and I think everybody elevated their game. 303 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,000 But the ability to turn that defense into offense is again as 304 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,000 Woody mentioned in the in the post game, that's something that 305 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,600 he really wanted. To see and I think that's where 306 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,400 this team can really excel by leveraging that athleticism when 307 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,840 they can get out of the transition. 308 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,360 So should be exciting to see how that element of their game 309 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,640 develops. Yeah, it should be. 310 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,080 And I think you brought up a good point on the passing up 311 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,280 threes for twos. That's been it. 312 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,920 It's it almost feels like it has to be a philosophical thing 313 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,480 right now that that gets drilled in practice because we've seen 314 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,680 it now for two solid years and now we see it here in this. 315 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,640 You just would like to see players just let just loft it 316 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,200 sometimes from deep as opposed to always thinking about shot 317 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,600 faking and stepping in because generally speaking those shots 318 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,840 from 1415 feet are are not automatic and they're just not 319 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,520 as efficient. And so gun on the other, you 320 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,680 know, overall though I thought was was pretty impressive in 321 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,960 terms of, as you said, how he moved ended up with eight points 322 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,800 in this exhibition. And certainly, you know, as as 323 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:02,360 much concern has been expressed about Indiana's guard depth, he 324 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,560 was certainly playing in that mold as as a guy who could cut a 325 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,960 swing between the two and the three as necessary. 326 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,599 And you know, I thought Xavier Johnson looked perfectly fine 327 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:14,480 out there. Trey Galloway will certainly be 328 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,839 much better than we saw him. Gabe Cups looks like he's a guy 329 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:18,400 who's going to get a significant out of minutes. 330 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,079 If you can integrate gun into that rotation, that should 331 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,440 alleviate a lot of concerns that people had about the perimeter 332 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,880 play and just generally speaking, what Indiana's doing 333 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,000 out there. But I do think that you know, 334 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,640 something that'll get harped on in general, both involving that 335 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:39,040 group of players and just in general for IU, is people are 336 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,600 going to be nervous about the three-point shooting until it 337 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,840 becomes a more regular part of the repertoire. 338 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,680 And what I did like to see was that both Ware and Embako were 339 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,160 not hesitant to pull the trigger on the shots that they had when 340 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,680 they were available. That may end up being what has 341 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,560 to happen, because it appears like the guards are still very 342 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,600 much focused on trying to pass it into the paint and get 343 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,360 penetration that way, rather than necessarily trying to shoot 344 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:07,080 from outside. Yeah, and you know it. 345 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,080 It certainly the first half and second-half was pretty stark in 346 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,520 the differences. I felt like the ball did a much 347 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,040 better job of moving though, especially as the game wore on. 348 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,040 It was. It was much, much more fluid. 349 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,480 I think part of that is the guys just kind of figuring out each 350 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,360 other's rhythm. You know, There were times where 351 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:27,880 I was watching Imbaco move and it's like he's got one of those 352 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,760 glides. It's just he's playing at a 353 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,040 different rhythm than the rest of most of the guys out there 354 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,800 with his strides in the ease at which he can move. 355 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,200 You know, him and Xavier Johnson had a couple of times when they 356 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,240 got their wires crossed. Was he going to go all the way 357 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,600 out to the corner, was he going to slash in or vice versa? 358 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,480 And I I think you're going to see as these guys get more sets 359 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,480 together, more trips up and down the floor, that familiarity just 360 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,320 builds in and I you get the sense that Woodson is going to 361 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,160 to run them. Largely is is kind of that 362 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,840 platoon, but I think it was promising that when, you know, 363 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,360 the second team came in, there really wasn't that big of a drop 364 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:10,160 off like we've seen in the past. You know, I thought Anthony 365 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,280 Walker did a really good job of providing a little bit of 366 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,680 everything around there. Three boards, 3 assists. 367 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,480 Got six points on it. I thought Peyton Sparks looked 368 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,880 pretty good and the limited minutes we saw him, you know, it 369 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,640 wasn't that massive. Now obviously the level of 370 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,400 competition is going to really draw those contrasts a lot 371 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,080 sharper. As the season goes on and and 372 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,400 becomes real here in a a couple weeks but I I think you saw a a 373 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,320 roster that that has potential to give Mike Woodson some real 374 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,480 serviceable depth. You know, he spoke in the post 375 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,960 game about, you know. The the role. 376 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,040 Caleb Banks is going to play in that, so I'd expect him to be 377 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,640 one of those guys vying for minutes in that second string. 378 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,120 But you know, it's we, we've talked about it last year quite 379 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:58,200 a bit that you know the depth was going to be one of those 380 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,960 team's strengths and then due to injuries. 381 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,240 That kind of got away from him and then it came back later in 382 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,240 the season. You know for a team that is is 383 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,440 going to be figuring a lot of things out about who it is and 384 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,800 how it wants to play. I I think it's promising to see 385 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,520 you know everybody they got on the floor today got some buckets 386 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,200 you know got some pretty much filled up multiple stat lines. 387 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,680 I don't think there was anybody who put up any trillions for the 388 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,800 most part. So it good to see there and 389 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:31,080 again, you know, I I think this team's probably going to going 390 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,360 to be a work in progress and a lot of efforts. 391 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:36,840 But I think the defense, just the length that this brings 392 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,480 them, the speed that they can close out. 393 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,600 You know early on I thought Gabe Cups his first couple of minutes 394 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,520 I was like oh this is where he gets burned for his size. 395 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,360 I can't remember the guy's name. The Indy guard, a little more 396 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:52,440 seasoned, had had several inches on him and really was getting in 397 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,400 Gabe's space and and seemed like it was causing problems. 398 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,760 And then second-half comes around and Gabe completely flips 399 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,120 the script on that guy and he's just completely pestering him on 400 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:05,920 every set, causing turnovers, getting him to dump the ball. 401 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,760 You could tell there came a point where he almost raised the 402 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,480 white flag and just didn't want to fight with the kid anymore. 403 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,040 So you love to see that and and you know, there was a glimpse 404 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,720 there where you see this is what all that time spent going up 405 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,440 against Xavier's done for him this summer. 406 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,480 And perhaps that really shortens, or rather, you know, 407 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,280 gets him further down the runway as he has to make that 408 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,880 transition into the college game against bigger, faster, stronger 409 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,640 guards that he's going to see throughout the course of the 410 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,400 season. So let's maybe pull back and 411 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,680 kind of widen the lens a little bit here and talk about what 412 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,960 we're anticipating. We've got a little more 413 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,840 information now, obviously, than we had a month ago when we 414 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,200 started doing these preview podcasts and trying to figure 415 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,600 things out. Maybe let's kind of start off 416 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,280 with like your perception of the overall atmosphere of this 417 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,200 program right now compared to where it was, you know, even 418 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,320 three, five years ago. You know, Mike Woodson, first 419 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,880 two seasons, they're in the tournament two years in a row. 420 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,920 They go into this year. They've got a lot of new faces. 421 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,920 They've lost somewhere between 70 and 80% of their production. 422 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,240 And and everything. Points, assists, rebounds, 423 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:17,000 whatever, They're not particularly highly rated by 424 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,320 most of the pre season projections. 425 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,800 Statistically Ken Pom has them around 50th. 426 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,720 They're not particularly rated by people making polls or making 427 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,200 lists. But when you think about where 428 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,800 the program's at right now, and you've been a keen of an 429 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,400 observer of this is anybody. How do you read the atmosphere 430 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,920 around this IU program right now and where it's at compared to 431 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,920 where it's been? I I think I use in a great place 432 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,440 right now, honestly. I think you know you're coming 433 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,880 off a season where Mike Woodson really cemented himself and this 434 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,920 program as a team that was going to going to compete again 435 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,600 against the best of the Big 10. You saw that in last year's You 436 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,440 Know, sweep of the Boilermakers. It's something that you haven't 437 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,680 seen in a while from Indiana, a team that can go in and 438 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,840 consistently play against the best in the league, if not beat 439 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,360 them. And I think first and foremost, 440 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,760 you've got to acknowledge that. I know every Indiana fan 441 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,800 believes that, you know, by Birthright we should be in the 442 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,520 Final four every year. We should be hanging conference 443 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,640 banners. And I don't want to dilute those 444 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,560 expectations because you know, quite honestly, those 445 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,080 expectations are exactly how you end up where we are today 446 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,880 because unlike some other programs on campus. 447 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,160 They have remained committed to to furthering the program to 448 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,960 getting it back to where they think it needs to be rightfully 449 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,720 where it needs to be. And you know from a resource 450 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:45,200 standpoint, I I think it's it's exactly what you you you would 451 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,320 expect for a program that treats itself seriously as a blue bud 452 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,480 as a conference contender and you know aspiring to be back on 453 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,040 the on the national stage at a higher level with regularity. 454 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,840 So. You know, and it all starts with 455 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,080 dudes. Indiana got some dudes, you 456 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,520 know, straight up, and Indiana's had some good players and 457 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,480 they've been kind of sprinkled in over the last several 458 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,920 rosters. You know, Romeo Langford was a 459 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,960 heck of a player. Problem was he just didn't have 460 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,840 squad around him and he really didn't have any runway 461 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,320 whatsoever to grow and develop into the the. 462 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,640 The expectation of what he could do for the program and obviously 463 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,200 as we've seen before, injury certainly played some part in 464 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,640 that. Trace Jackson Davis was a dude, 465 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,960 but Trace committed to a program that didn't have a lot of talent 466 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,440 around. And you know, you look at what 467 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,120 what Mike Woodson staff has been able to do and just from a 468 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:40,040 roster construction standpoint in a really short period of time 469 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:43,280 in the way that they've been able to turn things over so, so 470 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,280 dramatically, so dynamically. Not just from a star rating 471 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,320 which is really easy. It's kind of the the the default 472 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,280 setting is you know just look at the the recruit rankings and 473 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,920 that translates into whether you're doing a good job or a bad 474 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,640 job in the talent acquisition business. 475 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,480 But as we've seen over the last couple of seasons, Mike Woodson 476 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,520 recognizing where these teams liabilities are and you know 477 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,800 going out and getting guys that could address those and you know 478 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,360 seemingly do it. Relatively quickly, you know in 479 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:18,240 this day and age with the portal and nil and all the changes, you 480 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,520 know you have to be able to retool on the fly and you have 481 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,840 to be able to fill in those key voids. 482 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,920 Very strategically if you're going to compete. 483 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,440 Because you know, if you're not developing talent from freshman, 484 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,640 you know through the your your high school recruiting and then 485 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,480 getting those, you know, those upperclassmen that really 486 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,840 contribute, you've got to find guys one way or another who are 487 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,040 going to be able to step in. And and give you some 488 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,320 contributions and I think Indiana has done a great job of 489 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,720 that not just with you know the Jalen Hood Schaffino obviously 490 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,760 whenever you can get a one and done like that that's obviously 491 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,720 kind of the the the bullseye in in this recruiting game 492 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,000 nowadays. But also finding guys like Malik 493 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,560 Renew, You know, being able to pick up transfers like Clear 494 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,800 where being able to step in when there's a Big D commitment in 495 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,960 the case of Mackenzie and Bacco, and being able to pull a guy 496 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,680 from Duke. You know from Kansas for that 497 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,400 matter and get them in Bloomington, that's exactly what 498 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,600 you want to see from a program with the aspirations that 499 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,640 Indiana has has embraced and made very public. 500 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,520 So I think it's good. I think ultimately it's going to 501 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,080 have to it's. Going to have to translate into 502 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,880 wins. It's going to have to translate 503 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,000 into, you know, some tournament appearances, preferably later. 504 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,360 You know, beyond the first weekend you know. 505 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,680 And it's not to say that you, you shouldn't expect this team 506 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,920 to be able to go. You know if things are going to 507 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,560 plan that you shouldn't see a team develop into, perhaps in 508 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,040 the lead 8 contender or or you know, heaven forbid even a final 509 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,040 four team. But unless you're one of those 510 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,520 teams that just has a lot of really solid dudes and has that 511 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,880 core and has that continuity, you better be bringing in some 512 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,600 players. And you better bring in enough 513 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,280 of them that you can not only, you know, field A a starting 514 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,600 line up that's fit to compete with the best, but also the 515 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,880 reserves. And, you know, I don't want to 516 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,080 keep beating the dead horse. That's depth. 517 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:12,960 But just depth of talent is how these teams end up making that 518 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,160 next level jump. And I think Indiana appears to 519 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,880 be on the way there, but I think there's going to be a lot of, a 520 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,000 lot of developmental issues. They're going to play heavily as 521 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,520 far as what this team ceiling ultimately going to be. 522 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,800 And that then ripples in the next season because not 523 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,960 everybody on this roster, you know, I don't even know if 524 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,800 anybody on this roster right now is a sure one and done, you 525 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,920 know, And Bacco is probably the one that most people are dog 526 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,520 earing for that, for that leap. You know, Khalil, where's one of 527 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,560 those guys that made some of the national watch list? 528 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,480 We certainly haven't seen anything in in one game so far 529 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,840 that suggests, yeah, this dude's totally going to be standing out 530 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,680 there shaking Adam Silver's hands in a few months, but the 531 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,200 potential's there. But more importantly, how they 532 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,280 can, how they can really explore their roles and the chemistry 533 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,760 amongst themselves. I think that's going to be the 534 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,080 big challenge for Mike Woodson taking this season and and 535 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,520 putting the program in a in a stronger position come this time 536 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,680 next year. That's I love all of that. 537 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,400 I mean, I think it's interesting because it almost feels over 538 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,760 time like IU fans. I felt like that success for the 539 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,680 program is somehow exempt from getting high level recruits and 540 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,720 athletes and then having them perform consistently. 541 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,800 It's like, well, if we just play the right way, it doesn't matter 542 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,840 who the recruits are. It's it's one of the the 543 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,920 misleading things about the Night era that I think somehow 544 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,960 got into the way that IU fans thought about the program. 545 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,480 Not everybody, mind you, but a lot of people who you know, I 546 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,720 think. Didn't quite understand that IU 547 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,680 couldn't afford to not be recruiting right up against what 548 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,520 Kansas was doing, what Duke was doing, what North Carolina was 549 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,640 doing, so on and so forth. And certainly people would get 550 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,680 upset when IU wouldn't pull those recruits in. 551 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,760 But it was almost like, well, you know, it's not a 552 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,680 prerequisite or something like that to to being highly 553 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,600 successful and a lot of the lack of success that Indiana's had 554 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,680 early since 2002. Can you know and the few times 555 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,920 that they have been successful and and gone beyond the first 556 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,960 weekend of the tournament has been due to dudes as you 557 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,840 described. And that's what I've found so 558 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,080 fascinating so far about Mike Woodson's tenure is it's not 559 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,040 that he's not just that he's bringing in dudes but it's it's 560 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,880 such a fundamental shift in the way that Indiana has recruited 561 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,840 really that we hadn't seen in the last decade. 562 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,400 I mean Tom Crean, he, he never really recruited quite like 563 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,240 this. He would pick. 564 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,000 An occasional highly rated guy he, you know obviously got Cody 565 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,800 Zeller. He got Noah Vonley, he got 566 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,840 Thomas Bryant. There were a couple of other 567 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,080 people sprinkled in there but you know Victor Oladipo was more 568 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,880 of a project type of guy. Max Biel felt just kind of fell 569 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,560 through the portal sort of speak the pre portal period of 570 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,640 transfers. Archie Miller, while he was, you 571 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,520 know, certainly he pulled in Romeo Langford, you didn't have 572 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,640 that. The level of recruiting that 573 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,000 Woodson has been going after here and. 574 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,120 Also the idea and I and you know part of it, I think Woodson's 575 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,760 been able to leverage both the portal and kind of late season 576 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,640 decommits from other programs that Indiana just wasn't really 577 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,040 sniffing before. There's a message of his that 578 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,280 does seem to be resonating with the significantly higher levels 579 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,040 of talent, the basketball that you need in order to get to the 580 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,160 next level. Now the success hasn't been 581 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,560 there yet, but it's beginning a year three, you know, and I 582 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,360 think people have. Perhaps struggle to fully 583 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,440 understand how far Indiana had to go, both in terms of who they 584 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,280 were recruiting and how that recruiting effort actually 585 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,080 manifested itself on the floor with the way that players were 586 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,120 playing. And we're still a work in 587 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,120 progress on this. I think it's really interesting. 588 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,760 You know, the Trace Jackson Davis departure is going to be a 589 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,000 fascinating bellwether in terms of a. 590 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,800 How the team plays and how Woodson decides to coach them 591 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,560 and how stylistically they look different. 592 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,560 But also just, you know, is this a model that Indiana can master 593 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,240 where you're bringing in high level guys, you're integrating 594 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,560 them with guys who are sticking around for a bit longer? 595 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,360 You know, this is a model we've seen some programs be able to 596 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,400 use successfully. We're just very not used to it 597 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,840 here in Bloomington. Yeah, and you know, I I don't 598 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,520 want to to say that Indiana hasn't had dudes either in the 599 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,000 last decade. I mean we've we've seen a lot of 600 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,920 NBA players come through the program. 601 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,680 The challenge was though, you know, for every Thomas Bryant or 602 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:41,440 OG or you know whomever it may be during that span, you know, 603 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,400 kind of in the post Cody era, you're also looking at them out 604 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,640 on the floor with and I'm not slamming these guys. 605 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,400 But you know, Thomas Brown's a great example. 606 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,840 He's out there getting a lot of wrong with Ron Davis, with 607 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,560 Freddie Mcswain, with Josh Newkirk, Devante Green, Curtis 608 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,640 Jones. You know, and it's there, there, 609 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,800 There's some guys, there's some Ballers on those team. 610 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,800 But it's just the the the comprehensive construction. 611 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,520 That was really lacking. And it wasn't just that the 612 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,320 volume, but it was also where those guys were developmentally 613 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,040 in their careers and what they were reasonably expected to 614 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,440 contribute. And you know, far too often you 615 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,080 saw guys get thrust into a a critical role well before their 616 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,800 their natural maturation process would have had it or would have 617 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,480 chosen for them. So to see guys now come in and 618 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,280 and. You know, whether it be guys 619 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,680 like Khalil Ware, for example, you know, looking for a greener 620 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,840 pasture, looking for a restart. You know when you, you have to 621 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,640 replace a guy like Trace Jackson Davis, who has been the absolute 622 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,760 linchpin of your team offensively and defensively as 623 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,760 well as stylistically. That's a critical piece to have 624 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,640 to replace. Because quite honestly in the 625 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,400 past, you know, it would have just fallen in Malik's lap. 626 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,920 And you know, don't get me wrong, it's it's it's hard not 627 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,960 to see Malik as a veteran. On this team. 628 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,160 But make no mistake, this is his 2nd fall ever in Bloomington. 629 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,320 As a college student, you know that's still a lot to put on his 630 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,160 plate. So when you can have guys like 631 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,640 Khalil Ware come in but also pair them with you know, with 632 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:24,160 Walker and Sparks, I I think it just it it gives the depth of 633 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,320 talent. The breath that it needs in 634 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,960 order to let everybody kind of naturally come into this. 635 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,200 And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they have to exist 636 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,160 in this zero pressure area. I think that's quite the 637 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,560 opposite. But I think it's nice and you 638 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,960 saw it today when the team was struggling. 639 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,320 Woody had no problem pulling that second string out there and 640 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,440 letting them just kind of reset, recalibrate and getting the guys 641 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,680 ears on the bench and show them. This is why you're sitting here. 642 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,200 This is where we need to be doing it. 643 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,240 And you really don't. There's no step backwards during 644 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,080 that process. And I think that's an important 645 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,160 part of any team is to be able to kind of take a step back, hit 646 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,240 the reset button after a a not so great start. 647 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,199 And not find yourself, you know, 10 points down all of a sudden, 648 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,639 and obviously you don't expect that type of a swing against the 649 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,880 UND. But just giving guys a chance to 650 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,800 kind of come into the game when maybe they didn't step on the 651 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,840 floor ready to play their best game, I think that's going to be 652 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,480 everything for a team like this. And you know, one of the more 653 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,880 surprising stat lines of the game? 654 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,800 Probably Trey Galloway. You know, one of the team's 655 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,600 captains, one of its most experienced members, both in 656 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,600 minutes and everything that they they they're expected to do for 657 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,320 this team. Trey was relatively quiet today 658 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:41,199 and in really very little times. Did you sit there and go, man, 659 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,239 if if Trey just was playing better, this wouldn't be 660 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,679 happening. A-Team that's that's got the 661 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,159 depth of talent that can absorb. I don't want to say it was a no 662 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,040 show performance. He played 25 minutes, but you 663 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,679 know, one for five shooting three points, got got one of two 664 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,600 on the free throw line, one board and three assists. 665 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,480 It. It was a pretty pedestrian 666 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,560 outing from your senior captain and it didn't matter one bit and 667 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,720 obviously it shouldn't against the team like Indianapolis. 668 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,600 But also when everybody else is there and capable of just 669 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,280 seamlessly filling in. I think that's a real promising 670 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,280 sign. Because in in too many seasons 671 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,600 past, you know, whether it was Trace Jackson Davis kind of the 672 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,280 obvious candidate or you know last year with with Hudgifino. 673 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,280 But how many times you'd be like, you know, race just was 674 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,680 off and that was the, you know, that was the third leg that that 675 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,640 it needed to stand up and it wasn't there and it was just 676 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,360 that's the outcome you're going to get when you don't get all 677 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,280 three guys showing up. You know, thinking about 678 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,400 specifically the changeover from last year to this year and when 679 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,560 I look at this roster so far and what Woodson seems to be trying 680 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,360 to do and and now getting some visual evidence of how these 681 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,360 guys are going to play. We've talked a lot and I and I 682 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,080 actually don't think it's been talked about enough in the 683 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,200 larger sphere of IU basketball. But you know, the downfall of 684 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,720 last year's team was really defense. 685 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,680 And if you look at defense. I mean, they were still fine. 686 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,160 You know, they were, they were, they weren't a bad defensive 687 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,840 team, but they were just kind of an average defensive team for 688 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,280 the level that they needed to be at. 689 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,880 And a lot of that, if you look at the numbers, it really 690 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,720 centered around not turning the opponent over. 691 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,680 They were so poor at forcing turnovers throughout almost the 692 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,440 entire season. They really only had one game 693 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,720 where they feasted in Big 10 play. 694 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,960 As far as forcing opponent turnovers, and that was the game 695 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,920 at home against Purdue where you know they forced Edie and and 696 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,960 the the rest of the Boilers into turnovers on 25% of possessions. 697 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,760 The rest of the time though, I mean, there were games in Big 10 698 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,120 play, even the games that they won, where it was like single 699 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,920 digit turnover percentages for the opposition. 700 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,480 And you know, in an era where you've got a lot of. 701 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,880 You've got a lot of of ball screens. 702 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,880 You've got a lot of movement with point guards trying to 703 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,480 drive and pass. You just can't say, well, gosh, 704 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,800 we're not going to risk fouling. So we're going to back off of 705 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,720 trying to force turnovers and we're going to try to live on 706 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,040 the glass or live on just forcing bad shots. 707 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,560 I don't think you can really do that at this point. 708 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,440 And I look at the way that this team is constructed. 709 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,520 They're so long. They are so athletic. 710 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,840 They've got a tremendous rim protector that they really 711 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,320 didn't have last year. I mean, Trace Jackson Davis was 712 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,480 more of an intervener as opposed to being a guy that was just 713 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,880 going to straight up protect the rim. 714 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,760 I mean between that and the athleticism that they now have 715 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,320 with Reece Thompson having, you know, obviously ended his career 716 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,680 and the amount of pain and and injury issues that he had 717 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,840 towards the end, he just wasn't able to move quite as much. 718 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,120 That's where I probably in the most excited about where this 719 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,800 team could be. And it's where even in this game 720 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,640 against the University of Indianapolis, I wasn't too 721 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,000 worried. I figured the offense would get 722 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,480 there eventually and I think the offense will probably be a work 723 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,240 in progress throughout the year because you are essentially 724 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,200 going from a very alpha male dominated offensive approach 725 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,480 that they've had the last couple of seasons with Trace Jackson 726 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,040 Davis being the guy that you fed everything through to. 727 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,400 Now a more democratic approach, but. 728 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,800 The fact that Indiana struggled on offense but played really 729 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,160 good defense against you and D, and you and D just hit a bunch 730 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,800 of threes, you figured they were going to adapt and stop that. 731 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,760 That worked. I really want to see what 732 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,240 they're able to do. You know, for the course of a 733 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:25,320 whole season defensively, they forced 18 turnovers today for 734 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,160 you and D that's exactly what they're going to need to do. 735 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,480 And I think they've got the personnel now to really pursue 736 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,600 that in a way that they didn't the last two seasons. 737 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,480 No question whatsoever. And I think you know you talk 738 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,920 about the the regression last year's defense, you know just 739 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,520 how much they they lost at the point of attack after Xavier 740 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,760 Johnson got hurt. And I think that's that's going 741 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,160 to be a big thing. And you saw it with Cups when he 742 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,200 in the second-half. You know, the ability to keep 743 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,680 teams from getting into their stuff early, making them burn 744 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,120 clock to get into the ball in the positions and the guys in 745 00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,600 the positions where they want to be at. 746 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,280 It all starts up front and then it just cascades all the way 747 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,480 down the line and you know when you can afford to be more 748 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,840 aggressive as the balls crossing the timeline. 749 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,600 Even saw him tease the press a little bit and I would love to 750 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,400 see how this team can leverage its length and that that 751 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,800 athleticism in certain press situations and really extend the 752 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,440 defense up the floor. But also how you know that that 753 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,040 space between the the timeline and the three-point line, that 754 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,880 can be critical as far as getting better defensive 755 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,400 outcomes, just making teams work harder. 756 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,760 And you know when you're putting a lot of pressure on the ball, 757 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,400 but when you can, you know you can, you can cover so much more 758 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,920 ground with the link that they have. 759 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,480 And you saw that with some of the the steals and the 760 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,480 deflections. You know Imbacco again is just 761 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,440 one of those fascinating specimens just with his 762 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,280 ranginess and the the way in which he can close there a 763 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,240 couple of times where they got put into transition and just his 764 00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:01,440 ability to get back out almost gazelle like, you know just one 765 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,320 of those words it's it's one maybe 2 long strides and he's 766 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,680 right back up in his guy's grill with his feet and his hip 767 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,720 squared up to the to the ball. It's just. 768 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,560 It's a whole nother level that we haven't seen him. 769 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,800 You know, last year it seemed like Trace Jackson Davis 770 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,480 developed verticality in his defense because that was really 771 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,040 it. If he wasn't a backstop, we 772 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,720 weren't going to do a whole lot from the perimeter inside to the 773 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,920 hoop without him getting up top and beating you there. 774 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,200 So it's it's, you know, that's not a winning strategy when you 775 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,720 take him out of the mix. So this team's ability to really 776 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,440 to get in the passing lanes, to get up in the point guard's face 777 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,360 and really you know make things difficult all the way up and 778 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,080 down the floor, I think is going to go a long way for this. 779 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,400 And as you saw when you can get those deflections and those run 780 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,000 outs, these guys are absolutely bred for that type of 781 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,240 basketball. And you know with the exception 782 00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:00,040 of of the the fast break where where Sparks injured himself. 783 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,560 And it sounds like, fortunately that's not going to be a 784 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,080 something that that Woody was too concerned about because it 785 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,960 really, really looked ugly in real time. 786 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,680 The way he went down and was just, you know, visibly in in in 787 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,440 pain and anguish. I think All in all they look, 788 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,640 they look pretty good when they were able to get out, You know, 789 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,800 there's that that backwards bounce pass from Galloway. 790 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,400 I forget who it was. Was it wouldn't. 791 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,840 Sparks at that point, nevertheless. 792 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,240 Looked unselfish. There were a couple of occasions 793 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,880 where I wish they were taking the three-point when the ball 794 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,520 got kicked out and the guys wide open. 795 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,480 I think that's probably one of those situations where early in 796 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,240 the season the guys were just trying to make a higher 797 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,320 percentage shot. Maybe don't wanna be the one 798 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,920 responsible for a. You know, a a four second 799 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,440 possession that ends up in a transition going the other way. 800 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,120 But at the same time those are exactly the buckets that Indiana 801 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,080 sometimes allows that let's team stick around or get back in the 802 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,720 game or they can really swing the momentum and that's that's 803 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,320 honestly one of the highest or the most effective shots on the 804 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,360 floor. So hopefully over some time the 805 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,160 guys will develop some confidence to take that because 806 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,200 not everything can be a dunk in transition. 807 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,360 But this is a team that looks like that's kind of its DNA and 808 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,960 that's probably where it wants to go more naturally. 809 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,760 I think that's where the offense is going to look most fluid and 810 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,480 that's one of those things just from a morale standpoint, you 811 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,120 know you some of these games, the energy and Assembly Hall can 812 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,560 get really funky when when lesser teams are are playing us 813 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,760 a little bit too tight. And man, of some of those, those 814 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,600 transition buckets just don't get the energy completely 815 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,480 reversed, which is everything that you you love to see in 816 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,920 Assembly Hall and more than anything. 817 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,480 It's just good to to hear the whole come alive again after 818 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,880 being dormant for so many months. 819 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,720 Absolutely. It's gonna be interesting that 820 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:52,600 that point. I mean Indiana in their first 821 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:58,440 three games, they play two teams that are no joke. 822 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,320 You know, Army. Army is. 823 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,920 I'm not too concerned about Army. 824 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,200 I think there'll be an interesting challenge. 825 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,520 They were 17 and 16 last year, but that that Florida Gulf Coast 826 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,400 game to start the season, that's a tough way. 827 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,040 To start the season you know Pat Chambers is the head coach 828 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,400 former Penn State head coach. He clearly knows how to bring a 829 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,320 team into Assembly Hall. They almost I'm not sure if Pat 830 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,240 Chambers ever won in Assembly Hall but they almost did several 831 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,960 times. If anybody remembers the Josh 832 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,240 Newkirk you know absolute last second lay up to take it to 833 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:33,840 overtime or double overtime you know, so Chambers I mean that's 834 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,840 the guy that knows what he's doing and and that's a team 835 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,840 that's going to be one of the challengers in the A sun and 836 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,640 then. You know, a couple of games 837 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,800 after that, Indiana's going to be taking on Wright State, 838 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,920 Wright State. I mean, if you follow basketball 839 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,800 at all in the Midwest, you know that that's a team that's 840 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,640 normally right up there. They were 18 and 15 last year. 841 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,000 They'll probably be challenging for the Horizon League title 842 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,760 this year. So this is where to some degree, 843 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,560 I mean we it feels like it's been this way for a long time. 844 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,400 Like the Assembly Hall crowd is such an important 6th man or 845 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,200 sixth person. In these games. 846 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:13,800 But it does sometimes end up not being that strong of a presence. 847 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,280 If it's an opponent that people aren't expecting to be good, 848 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,200 Indiana's going to need that energy early on because they are 849 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,040 going to be dropped right into the fire. 850 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,360 And I think that's a good thing. I mean, I would rather Indiana 851 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,880 was playing those games and having to challenge themselves. 852 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,040 Even this game against you, Indy, that's one of the best 853 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,840 Division Two schools in the country, that's you still should 854 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,440 beat them by a large amount, which Indiana ended up doing. 855 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,520 But Indiana has to challenge themselves. 856 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,120 The players have to feel like I can't take nights off. 857 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,840 I need to go out and play at my utmost every night. 858 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,840 And if I don't, somebody's going to come in and take my place who 859 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,120 will? This is one of the problems to 860 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,120 some degree. I think you saw in the Crane and 861 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,400 Miller eras with the scheduling, they played so many teams that 862 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,480 were just impossible to take seriously. 863 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,920 That can occasionally breed a circumstance where you've got 864 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,520 players who. They don't feel that urgency to 865 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,960 go out there and play at their highest level every single night 866 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:11,880 and then that can have a knock on effect when it is time to go 867 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,320 out and have that level of energy and focus. 868 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,120 And so you know a lot to clean up certainly. 869 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,280 But I just think the vibe with this team and where they could 870 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,240 take advantage of things, you can afford to struggle a little 871 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:29,520 bit and take some time to get your offense on track if your 872 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,720 defense is playing at a high level from the get go. 873 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:35,440 And I think that. You know, we'll see obviously as 874 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,440 they play Marion on Friday of this upcoming week and then 875 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,560 they've got the weekend and then they'll have that first game 876 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,840 against Florida Gulf Coast. But that to me, I think is going 877 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,800 to be the key for the Indiana early on. 878 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,920 Offense is going to take a while to suss out. 879 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,520 Defense is going to have to be strong from the moment that they 880 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,240 hit the floor. Yeah. 881 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:56,480 And I think just the opportunity to see some buckets go in quite 882 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,880 honestly, you know when when you see a couple of guys step up to 883 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,240 the free throw line. And you know short arm and long 884 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:05,400 arm and you know the ball's just not going down. 885 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,800 All of a sudden the yips get contagious. 3 point shooting. 886 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,400 You know a couple of guys that just rims some out. 887 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,520 Next thing you know the next guy is is maybe a little bit more 888 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,520 hesitant taking that shot not wanting to continue that mystery 889 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,480 can the way that those things can kind of spiral and it it 890 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,680 works in in in weird ways no different than you know the 891 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,440 assembly hall crowd. You know, we we all saw what 892 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,160 happens when. A a stumble against Indiana 893 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,880 State metastasizes into a Fort Wayne game and then there's 894 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,400 there's a cancer that never leaves. 895 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,560 So you certainly want to work on the psyche. 896 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,520 I'm not going to go, you know, full deep in here and start 897 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,800 freaking out about 55% free throw shooting or 30% 898 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,360 three-point shooting. It's certainly one of those stat 899 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,760 columns that we're going to dog ear and you know, everybody's 900 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,600 going to dog ear regardless going into it. 901 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,360 But I think the you know. To run up to some of these more 902 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,000 challenging games that are that are awaiting Indiana, probably 903 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,760 going to be made a whole lot easier if you can see, you know 904 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,960 those percentages, start making some pretty big jumps and this 905 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,160 guy settling and you know the rotation gets a little clearer 906 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,160 and those combinations of guys out on the floor get a little 907 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,320 more familiar to them. You know, seeing some of that 908 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,280 stuff come up and the confidence that that breeds because 909 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,440 confidence is absolutely something that's contagious, 910 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,240 whether it's it's shooting, whether it's you know being 911 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:33,080 aggressive on defense and reaping those rewards. 912 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,440 And that's one of the things that a lot of seems struggle 913 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,280 with. You know, we talk about the ball 914 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,680 movement, but I think just as important, you know, guys 915 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,120 confidence knowing that if I play a little bit more 916 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,000 aggressive that my help is going to be there where it should, 917 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,600 when it should. And you know, that's one of 918 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,960 those, the communication, it's, it's so cliche. 919 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,400 You hear all the coaches and all the players are always talking 920 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,960 about we got to talk better, we got to, you know, we we really 921 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,640 got to communicate better with one another. 922 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,160 But that's the rhythm that that winning teams are able to 923 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,960 establish. And are able to you know really 924 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,000 syncopate together. So I I, I think this is this is 925 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,280 going to be a fun season watching how those things gel 926 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,520 up. Because I I again, you know, I 927 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,160 think this is a team that that can be a problem on defense. 928 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,760 And you know, assuming that that the offense is able to clarify a 929 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,800 little bit and kind of get tuned up. 930 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,640 You know, it's going to be fun. If nothing else, just watching 931 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,200 Indiana stylistically make a big leap this year into a brand of 932 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,160 basketball that you typically see winning games in March. 933 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,840 And that's, you know, for all the bugaboos about the Big 10 934 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,640 and all its struggles and and Lord knows last year they 935 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,880 absolutely leaned into the meme that is Big 10 in the tournament 936 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,360 time. This is the type of team, this 937 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,840 is the type of roster that very much seems constructed to, to 938 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,440 break that mold. So it's a long way to get from 939 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,520 here to there, you know, winning those games in March. 940 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,000 But at the end of the day, as I said earlier, it starts with 941 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,200 having the dudes that are capable of playing that type of 942 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,680 ball. And you certainly see Indiana 943 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,000 right now transitioning into that, into that era of 944 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,240 basketball under Mike Woodson. There's stuff in there that I 945 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:11,800 think is really important. One of the problems in the 946 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,360 Archie era. It wasn't just that. 947 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,840 There, you know, there weren't as many high performing dudes, 948 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,520 but it was at the guys that were out there constantly seem to be 949 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,400 looking over their shoulder or seem to be uncertain about what 950 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,880 they were doing on both ends of the floor. 951 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,280 But I think especially on defense and I think of some of 952 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,240 that was likely the pack line and you know, such a kind of a 953 00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:35,440 rigid rules based system on how you're supposed to play defense 954 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,000 and where you're positioned. And it's it's so interlocking. 955 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,760 If it's working, it can be outstanding. 956 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,480 But if the guys are never quite able to get their heads wrapped 957 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,000 around it in zip, almost being a millstone around your neck, 958 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,840 especially with perimeter play. And I I think last year's 959 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,840 defensive struggles weren't about a lack of confidence as 960 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,080 much as they were about a lack of depth, which you've mentioned 961 00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,840 a few times. But Woodson seems to be able to 962 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,160 instill in his players A greater sense of confidence and maybe 963 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,480 assuredness would be the better way I would put it. 964 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,960 Where at least in terms of, you know, you look at the shooting 965 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,080 numbers, even the three-point numbers, they didn't take as 966 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,520 many threes, but they hit the but they hit about the same 967 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,640 number of threes in 2023 as they did in 2022. 968 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,400 The difference was they took fewer bad threes. 969 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,560 And a lot of it really does kind of end up being this mentality 970 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,120 shift where it's like, can you put players in a position where 971 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,040 they feel like they're doing what they're supposed to be 972 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,160 doing? And that they are performing at 973 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,680 a high level rather than constantly questioning 974 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,720 themselves or feeling like they're just not performing at 975 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:41,560 the level that they need to. And that's going to be an 976 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,680 interesting thing with this group that's in right now, 977 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,800 because I'm not worried about Xavier Johnson's confidence. 978 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,520 I'm not really worried at this point about Trey Galloway's 979 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,000 confidence. But I am really interested to 980 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,080 see, you know, Malik renew. If there was one thing you could 981 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,640 point to last year, it was like he seemed to lose concentration 982 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,160 and. I sometimes wonder if that's 983 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,360 because he wasn't sure what he was supposed to be doing. 984 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,120 So a big leap here, CJ Gunn, same thing. 985 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:12,040 And then with Mbacco and where Mbacco's kind of a special case, 986 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,120 separate case, but where you could say that was kind of a 987 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,360 similar thing that happened to him. 988 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,240 At Oregon. So this is where the coaching 989 00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,520 takes over. If you can get those guys, even 990 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,240 Anthony Walker, who at times looked really athletic and 991 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,720 really like a guy who could be a real pain in the ass for an 992 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,720 opponent's second group out there. 993 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,800 Breaking up passes and and driving to the lane and things 994 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,160 like that, things like that, all of that. 995 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,080 I think if Woodson can harness that, the atmosphere seems to be 996 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,360 there. It was certainly there last year 997 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,440 with Trace, Jackson Davis and with Miller Cop. 998 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,520 Those guys seemed pretty confident what they were 999 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,960 supposed to do. That's where I think the 1000 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,600 dividing line for how successful this season is is going to come 1001 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,640 from. Yes, you have the performance in 1002 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,040 terms of the shots and the rebounds and whatnot, but a lot 1003 00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,240 of it is, do guys feel and think out there like they are supposed 1004 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:04,320 to be there, that they're doing what they can do to the best of 1005 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,920 their ability? And that's sometimes been, I 1006 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,240 think you know, in real short supply with Indiana over not 1007 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:12,760 just the last decade but. Shit, take it back to 1995 like 1008 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,320 it's it's been a long standing issue at this place. 1009 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,800 Oh, no doubt, no doubt whatsoever. 1010 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,240 And I, I I think one of the things you're going to see, 1011 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:22,840 especially as this team starts to transition into the more 1012 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,520 positionless basketball, it's going to take time just for 1013 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,560 that, that that internal knowledge. 1014 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,040 You know it. It only takes a couple of sets 1015 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,960 where you see a guy. You know, gets knocked off the 1016 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,600 spot he wanted to be down low rather than kicking the ball 1017 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,320 out, you know, ends up reverting to that fade away. 1018 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,640 That's just a real low percentage shot from the, you 1019 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,840 know, from the outside of the low blocks. 1020 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,720 You know, you got the sense tonight, for example, you know 1021 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,880 Trey Galloway's contributions and just his willingness to 1022 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,200 press. You kind of got the sense Trey 1023 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,320 was out there just trying to figure out what the buttons on 1024 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,840 the controllers do you know and and I I think that's to be 1025 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,720 expected when you have so many new pieces out there. 1026 00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:08,800 But for a guy that you would really expect to be, you know at 1027 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,000 this point in his career sniffing a shot honestly and his 1028 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,600 percentage is certainly give him the I think the license to sniff 1029 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,960 some shots. You know, and obviously the 1030 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,240 quality of the shots going to go a long, long way and I'm not 1031 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:24,480 saying the trait passed up a lot of quality looks tonight, but 1032 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,440 the ball has a funny way of knowing where to go. 1033 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:34,240 Once you get some of that that that experience those that 1034 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:38,600 familiarity established and and this is obviously I mean we're 1035 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,560 we're we're talking about a an October 29th game right now. 1036 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,520 But I I think as the season goes on, especially in these, these 1037 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,200 these couple of games running up to UConn, I would fully expect 1038 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,480 some of that to work itself out maybe a little sooner than 1039 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,680 later. You know, I I think some of the 1040 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,880 LOB sets and some of the, you know, Woody had a couple of 1041 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,640 really good plays coming out of time out. 1042 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,720 But I think as the guys get some more and more of those under the 1043 00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:08,760 belt and they get more tape and I think that's that's absolutely 1044 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,720 what the staff needs right now is just some tape against some 1045 00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:13,120 guys that we're not familiar with. 1046 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,120 You know when you're not playing against yourself and everybody 1047 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,280 knows the playbook and where everybody's supposed to be. 1048 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,720 But once you throw in the uncertainty of of of various 1049 00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:26,400 opponents like this, having the tape to go back and look at what 1050 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,680 happened versus what you're trying to do and and start 1051 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,200 working on those tweaks and really fine tuning some of these 1052 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,840 concepts that you spent the offseason trying to install and 1053 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,280 developing these guys. I think it's just going to go a 1054 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,000 long long way into giving us a clear look at at at truly what 1055 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,680 this team ceiling is. Because I think everybody pretty 1056 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,640 much agrees one and two in the league is is probably locked up 1057 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,400 right now between the Spartans and the Boilermakers. 1058 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,600 But I don't see any reason why this team shouldn't be competing 1059 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,200 for a top five spot at the end of the year in the big 10 just 1060 00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,800 based off what what we've known was on paper what we saw today. 1061 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,720 There's just there's, there's a. Whole lot of guys out there that 1062 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:07,680 are capable of doing a lot of different things, how well they 1063 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,280 play together. How well Woodson can mix it all 1064 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,680 up with these different rotations. 1065 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,640 I I think it's going to be a fun year for Indiana basketball, 1066 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:15,000 man. I'm. 1067 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,560 I'm certainly excited to to see how it unfolds and exactly where 1068 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:19,920 it ends up. Because at the end of the day, 1069 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,960 as much as we hate to admit it, most seasons don't in fact end 1070 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,920 up with Big 10 titles or national titles. 1071 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,640 But more than anything, just seeing the growth, the 1072 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,120 progression along the way and you know how they learn from, 1073 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,920 from their mistakes because quite honestly, that's that's 1074 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,680 going to be expected with this many new faces out there. 1075 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,640 How can you prevent them? How can you really figure out 1076 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,720 how to leverage your strengths and you know, how to improve 1077 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,240 upon your weaknesses? And for a starting point for a 1078 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,680 team with this many new faces, I like where Indiana's at. 1079 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,800 You know, I do fear and I hate to be that guy. 1080 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,320 You know, injuries can always play hell on a roster. 1081 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,200 We've seen it all too often before. 1082 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,200 You know, Indiana has to figure out how to to develop a 1083 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,160 durability among its its key rotation players, and obviously 1084 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,720 there's stuff beyond your control, There's no doubt about 1085 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,480 it. But I think part of that too is 1086 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,920 is kind of an institutional thing and how do you approach? 1087 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,320 You know load management if you will over the course of the 1088 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,160 season because Lord knows once we get through the non 1089 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,880 conference and the Big 10 starts up every night's just a grind 1090 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,440 and it's it's really really tough it takes a toll on the 1091 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,520 bodies. So you would hope that as the 1092 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:36,520 team and the the program gets more experienced in in this set 1093 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:41,480 up that they they learn and evolve and find a way to be you 1094 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,720 know as as available as possible late in the year but also fire 1095 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:47,520 and run as many possible cylinder as many cylinders as 1096 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,280 possible come tournament time as well. 1097 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,520 One thing I'll mention and we'll we'll wrap up here. 1098 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:59,520 It's fascinating like the the separation between 5th place in 1099 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,800 the conference. And 12th place in the conference 1100 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,280 last year in terms of conference games was two you could and and 1101 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,320 really it you could have gotten it up to 4th if Michigan State 1102 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,720 had played that final game of the season potentially. 1103 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,360 But you're talking about the difference between 11:00 and 1104 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,680 9:00 and 9:00 and 11:00 of the of the 14 teams in the 1105 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,240 conference Last year, 12 of them won nine games or more in the 1106 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,880 conference. And so it's even you you 1107 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,200 mentioned like you know competing for the top three or 1108 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,480 four that's really been become the question mark. 1109 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,600 It's like can you? Can you get above that 1011 win 1110 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,480 range in conference? And it's about playing well, 1111 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,920 it's about playing consistently, it's about avoiding the injury 1112 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,560 bug. It's also about what your 1113 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,200 schedule ends up panning out to do. 1114 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,800 And you know whether or not the particular mix of teams that you 1115 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:51,120 are playing in the conference is going to help lend itself 1116 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,920 towards success. I mean, for Indiana, you get the 1117 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,480 downside of you play Purdue twice, you play Maryland twice, 1118 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,360 They're both in the mix, but. You're only playing Michigan 1119 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,960 State once, I believe, and you get them at home and that's 1120 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,920 helpful and it's the last game of the season. 1121 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,200 You got a couple of other situations like that. 1122 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,960 So a lot up in the air and and certainly we're, you know, 1123 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,360 there's a lot of speculation and it's going to be interesting to 1124 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,200 see what happens as the rubber hits the road here over the 1125 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,560 first couple of weeks of the season. 1126 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,120 So anyway, we'll we'll go and let me, Yeah, we'll see. 1127 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:22,960 Anything else? Go ahead. 1128 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,480 Yes. Conference titles are in the air 1129 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:26,800 in Bloomington this. Yes, they are. 1130 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,200 We just hoisted a trophy today over at Bill Armstrong Stadium. 1131 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,200 One of those teams that most folks you know after the first 1132 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,600 couple of weeks certainly did not expect to be competing for a 1133 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,280 title found themselves lifting a trophy today. 1134 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,240 So kudos Todd Yagli and staff on their 18th regular season Big 10 1135 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,240 title. But that just shows you, and 1136 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,760 that's that's the way that the soccer team has been built from 1137 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,520 day one when Jerry Egli first started his club. 1138 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,000 Here is, you know, when you can get the right guys together, 1139 00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,520 playing with the right teammates and they can get better as the 1140 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,200 season goes on and they, you know, you consistently challenge 1141 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,800 them and put them in tough spots. 1142 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,320 That's where growth happens. And you know it. 1143 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,640 It's almost it. It's just become so commonplace 1144 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,800 with Indiana soccer, but never in a million years. 1145 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,280 You know, at the end of September, what I thought this 1146 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,200 day would be happening right now, but here we are. 1147 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,960 So let's see if that doesn't. If that doesn't travel up, 17th 1148 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,240 St. this year perhaps too. It's always nice to have soccer 1149 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,520 reset things for everybody as we head into into the winter 1150 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,120 sessions here, but Congrats to Todd Yeagley and the men's 1151 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,000 soccer crew certainly. Not only sharing the Big 10 1152 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,160 title, but they'll be hosting as the number one seed coming up on 1153 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,160 Friday. So keep an eye out for that as 1154 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,360 that game will get broadcast on I think Big 10 plus, so that 1155 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,000 should be a a good one to say the least. 1156 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,920 But get out there in person. That's one of those games you 1157 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,720 definitely want to be at if you've never been to a a Big 10 1158 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,840 tournament game or an NCAA game with Indiana, it's a different 1159 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,200 kind of vibe and it's a great vibe. 1160 00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,800 So check that one out folks. It's going to unfortunately go 1161 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,960 right up against. The next men's exhibition game 1162 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,840 is it's the same night as the Marion game, which is just the 1163 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,160 timing of this time of year. There's too much stuff going on. 1164 01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,560 But anyway we'll we'll go ahead and wrap there. 1165 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,840 As always, this was a great pleasure. 1166 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,160 Enjoy talking IU basketball with you anytime and we'll look 1167 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,800 forward to having you on again here at some point early on in 1168 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,520 the season as we're going to definitely need to reset what 1169 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,960 we've observed after we get through those first couple of 1170 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,240 Big 10 games. I've got my notebook out and my 1171 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,200 pencil sharpened. There's a lot of blank pages. 1172 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:35,400 I can't wait to fill them in. Galen. 1173 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,240 All right. Chronic Hoosier joining us here 1174 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:39,600 on the show. Thank you, my friend. 1175 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,200 Once again, thanks to all you folks for joining us as well. 1176 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,040 Be sure to tune in to all the back home network shows Assembly 1177 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,320 call at their first post game show today. 1178 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,640 The Do the Work pod is back. The Crimson cast women's 1179 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,120 basketball show is back. And of course IU football 1180 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,560 coverage as well. For all those folks, I'm Galen 1181 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,960 Clavio saying thanks for joining us here on Crimson Cast. 1182 01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,360 We'll catch you folks on the flip side.