1 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:09,900 You're listening to the back home network presented by home 2 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:20,400 field apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Castillo 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,000 and caviar joining you once again. 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,300 You know, big stuffs happening. When we're doing like five 5 00:00:26,300 --> 00:00:29,200 podcasts in one day, this is normally something reserved for 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,500 IU. Men's basketball coaching 7 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:36,200 searches, but this is about as big, it's certainly got a lot of 8 00:00:36,500 --> 00:00:38,100 facets to it. And we got a lot of people to 9 00:00:38,108 --> 00:00:42,900 talk about to try to get a better idea of what to expect of 10 00:00:42,900 --> 00:00:46,700 what's going on up to this point and what we should expect or 11 00:00:46,700 --> 00:00:50,000 maybe think about expecting over the course of the next days 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,300 weeks months. What have you? 13 00:00:51,500 --> 00:00:52,900 Of course, I'm talking about USC. 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,300 And UCLA joining the Big Ten which went from not on anybody's 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,700 legitimate radar to actually having happened within about a 16 00:01:01,700 --> 00:01:08,000 five hour span yesterday, and we've got Zak Osterman Insider 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,200 for IU athletic stuff for the Indy star joining us on the 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,300 show. Zach, how you doing? 19 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,300 That is supposed to come up and visit for like, four days 20 00:01:20,300 --> 00:01:22,800 starting yesterday and he actually postponed until like 21 00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:24,800 Two to three days ago, postponed until Sunday. 22 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,300 And then when everything happened yesterday was like, 23 00:01:26,300 --> 00:01:28,600 thank God. Yeah, I mean, this is the 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,700 summer, is the offseason, right? It's like the one time when 25 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:34,800 things are supposed to be a little bit calm since things 26 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,400 really ramp up in August and September for you, but yeah, 27 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:42,500 definitely some fascinating changes going on in college 28 00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:44,400 sports. Let's start from the beginning. 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,600 So you heard the rumors first start to pop up yesterday. 30 00:01:49,700 --> 00:01:52,300 What was your initial reaction when you saw the start to 31 00:01:52,300 --> 00:01:56,300 reverberate around social media? Yeah, I mean it's funny because 32 00:01:56,300 --> 00:02:00,800 in this is just me complaining but I'll do that. 33 00:02:03,500 --> 00:02:06,300 Like two three months ago near the end of the season. 34 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,699 My boss Macklin desks and we should just have some sort of 35 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:13,600 like state of in il story you know after one year and I 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,100 started reporting that and then I kept reporting it and I kept 37 00:02:16,100 --> 00:02:19,300 reporting it and 15,000 words of know. 38 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:26,200 Later, it's become five stories and I was finishing the second 39 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,400 of those five yesterday thinking that this was going to kind of 40 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,200 dominate my week before I take some time off for the holiday 41 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,000 next week and then somebody texted me, I guess, probably run 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,800 noon. It was like, do you think this 43 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,000 is real? And I was like, doing what's 44 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,800 real and then, you know, and I made this joke on Twitter but I 45 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,900 wasn't really joking in, in less time than Than a long baseball 46 00:02:50,900 --> 00:02:54,400 game. We went from nothing to, you 47 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,600 know, USC and UCLA are in the Big Ten. 48 00:02:57,700 --> 00:03:01,100 And I don't think it's been said a lot. 49 00:03:01,100 --> 00:03:03,800 At least, I haven't seen it said a lot, I think Kevin Warren 50 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,500 deserves, tremendous credit for this. 51 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:08,600 I do believe in everyone says that these things are School 52 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,900 driven because nobody wants to get sued, but I do believe based 53 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:14,300 on people. I've talked to you based on 54 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:17,200 everything, I've read everything I've heard that this was really 55 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,700 instigated by USC and UCLA that The best way to describe it is 56 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:23,800 that the Big Ten wasn't actively looking to expand, but ever 57 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,700 since last summer, Kevin Warren has just sort of had like the 58 00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:31,300 Big Ten in like expansion mode. So if an opportunity ever 59 00:03:31,300 --> 00:03:36,500 presented itself, the path from point, A to point, B would be 60 00:03:36,500 --> 00:03:39,500 about as linear as possible. You wouldn't need to go through 61 00:03:39,700 --> 00:03:42,600 weeks of politicking and wrangling and whatever else you 62 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,300 would just be able to just be like plugging into the machine 63 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:49,200 and we just go, we do it. It'll happen fast just to be. 64 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,000 Ready. If something like this presented 65 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,300 itself, and when it did, you know, I mean that this is 66 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:58,000 literally the first conference expansion, that touched the 67 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,500 three, big TV markets, in this country. 68 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:03,700 And yet, nothing leaked, until it was basically done. 69 00:04:03,700 --> 00:04:06,300 That's why I wasn't it. I mean, like, you know, he got 70 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:08,100 one anemone back. Not that you wouldn't, you 71 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:10,800 wouldn't expect a unanimous vote, but remember where the Big 72 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,100 Ten was and fall of 2020, you know, fighting over the football 73 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:18,800 season and Hades going rogue and coaches going rogue. 74 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:22,200 No big tent, your Kevin Warren. Got a lot of that back 75 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,200 yesterday. Like you got a lot of the sort 76 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,500 of the Harmony and the idea of the Big Ten as the grown-ups in 77 00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:32,400 the room back yesterday and and in doing. 78 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,700 So he also basically ripped the heart and lungs at the back 12. 79 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:43,200 So it's been you know, of all the things in terms of just like 80 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,400 System, Shock of all the big sort of seismic changes. 81 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,200 We've seen in college athletics in the last 24. 82 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,200 Months, Texas and Oklahoma, and IL, the elimination of 83 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,100 Divisions, all the discussion of playoff expansion. 84 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:57,700 This one is probably the biggest System Shock. 85 00:04:57,700 --> 00:05:00,100 If nothing else. Well, yeah, because it's got 86 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:03,900 both future implications but it's also got a lot of past 87 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:06,100 implications. I mean, if you study the history 88 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:10,300 of College athletics, it's almost always been the Big 10 89 00:05:10,300 --> 00:05:15,300 and the pack 10/12 versus the rest of college football, in 90 00:05:15,308 --> 00:05:19,600 terms of who's got control of the steering wheel and to The 91 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,400 Big Ten kind of wait for the right moment and then as you 92 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,800 described it, rip the heart and lungs out of the Pac-12. 93 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,500 Been basically business partners with them for 120 years. 94 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:32,500 At this point is really, it's not shocking because this is 95 00:05:32,500 --> 00:05:34,400 what happens in college sports these days. 96 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,400 But it is a bit of a shock to the system to watch that 97 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,400 transpire. You know, you mentioned the 98 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,900 school driven thing and obviously we're not going to 99 00:05:42,907 --> 00:05:46,600 hear the actual truth on that. It may be that USC and UCLA were 100 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,200 the ones that that made the calls. 101 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,500 Initially and really kind of tried to move things along, but 102 00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:56,700 the Big Ten, you know, had to have done some due diligence 103 00:05:56,700 --> 00:05:59,200 ahead of time on this. I mean, we only heard about this 104 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,300 for about four hours before the decision was done. 105 00:06:01,300 --> 00:06:03,400 That's not how things are done in college sports. 106 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:06,100 This was clearly something that the groundwork has been laid on 107 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:08,400 for like weeks or months in advance. 108 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:11,900 Well, and the theory of this has been other for a very long time, 109 00:06:11,900 --> 00:06:16,100 particularly with you see, USC. But like, you know, UCLA is, is 110 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:18,700 a pretty strong brand in itself. I think it's probably the 111 00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:21,500 second, No, everybody gets excited about organ and Nike and 112 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:24,100 all that. But like, UCLA ultimately is 113 00:06:24,100 --> 00:06:26,300 probably the second strongest brand in the packed. 114 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:29,400 Well, certainly, if you're pairing it to USC, bringing the 115 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,800 two historical Rivals out of that that conference and 116 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,800 shutting off the capital of the West Coast to the, what the the 117 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,600 only West Coast Power, five conference in Los Angeles. 118 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,200 Like USC is almost certainly more popular and UCLA May well 119 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,700 be more popular in San Francisco than Stanford the you know than 120 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:51,700 cows. Oh Again, it didn't all just 121 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:54,700 happen in one day but I think where Kevin Warren probably 122 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:57,700 deserves. A lot of credit is, I do 123 00:06:57,700 --> 00:07:00,100 genuinely think like Last Summer the Big Ten was standing. 124 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:02,600 Pat obviously, there was the alliance and now that's become a 125 00:07:02,608 --> 00:07:04,900 permanent punchline but I think the alliance served its purpose 126 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:08,100 at the time which releasing the victim's perspective, was to 127 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:10,800 block the SEC from railroading, everybody else into a college 128 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,200 football. Playoff scenario that no one 129 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,400 else was sure worked for them. I suspect Kevin Warren woke up 130 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,100 this morning a lot more. Medically aligned with the SEC 131 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,100 as it pertains to the college football. 132 00:07:23,100 --> 00:07:30,000 Playoff then maybe he did a week ago but it was more about I 133 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:37,800 think having the conference ready for that process if the 134 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,400 opportunity arose, if the opportunity If the opportunity 135 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,800 presented itself, not basically saying. 136 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,700 Okay, now we start from square one but having like, you know, 137 00:07:48,700 --> 00:07:52,600 having all the pieces in place to say, oh we have this, we have 138 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:53,800 these schools that are interested. 139 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,300 Well, here's the information. We need. 140 00:07:56,300 --> 00:07:58,500 Here's who we need to present it to and here's the process. 141 00:07:58,500 --> 00:08:01,300 This needs to go through and here's how we can streamline it. 142 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:05,300 So that everybody gets what they need through that process with a 143 00:08:05,308 --> 00:08:09,700 minimum of fuss and a maximum efficiency and I think that's 144 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:14,100 where he deserves and his office deserves a lot of credit because 145 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,200 You know, it again, like, when Texas and Oklahoma left, it 146 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,000 didn't happen this quickly. But it did happen a lot more 147 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,900 quickly than, like, the whole Nebraska Colorado, Utah, like 148 00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:27,100 the the summer of 2010, which is just like a long soap opera. 149 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,600 But when that happened, no one was surprised that the Big 12 150 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,100 wasn't going to last. I mean, what was the joke about 151 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,799 the Big 12, that it was like a conference built on oil, futures 152 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:40,200 or something like that. And it was and it was all these 153 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,000 schools that had never trusted each other to begin with. 154 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,600 Like it was all these schools that had been No. 155 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,200 Cheating and lying and double-dealing on each other for 156 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,900 50 years that were something like well and we need to 157 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:55,200 conference so we're just going to kind of figure this out. 158 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:58,600 But as you said like I mean listen in the formative years of 159 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,100 college football in this country like the Big Ten in the Pac-12 160 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:05,000 with Notre, Dame kind of you know attached on the like that 161 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000 was the thing. The SEC was not the thing. 162 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,400 It was he was Notre Dame, you as see it was the Rose Bowl. 163 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,500 It was USC, Stanford. It was Michigan, Ohio State like 164 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:17,400 that. The Those were the national, 165 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:22,900 what's the word of the national sort of products, right next, 166 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:25,300 that meant the most and moved the most. 167 00:09:25,300 --> 00:09:28,400 It's essentially, it's essentially what the NCAA built 168 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,000 itself on was you know big brands in the Midwest and then 169 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,100 you've obviously got you know the LA and San Francisco markets 170 00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:38,400 and with the Rose Bowl is kind of the big exclamation point. 171 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,400 At the end of every year. Obviously college football was 172 00:09:40,408 --> 00:09:42,400 very different back then, but those were the population 173 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,800 centers and the Financial Centers it's really only Last 174 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,100 what, 40 years that we've seen the ascendancy of the SEC as a 175 00:09:50,108 --> 00:09:54,400 national entity and it's just interesting to watch these 176 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,200 political connections, kind of disintegrate as the New Order 177 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:05,500 comes in yes. And again, you know, I mean, it 178 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:09,900 will be the convenient punchline forever but you know, the whole 179 00:10:10,300 --> 00:10:12,900 we haven't signed anything. It's a handshake agreement among 180 00:10:12,900 --> 00:10:15,200 gentlemen. We're not going to pose. 181 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,400 Ouch. We're not we're not. 182 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,400 We are we are hand in glove. We are the alliance and we do 183 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,700 not need to contractually CNN. Like listen again like it's 184 00:10:24,700 --> 00:10:27,500 ruthless but like more some credit for that too. 185 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:30,600 Like he got he got the other two people that he needed in the 186 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,500 room to look him in the eye and believe that he wasn't going to 187 00:10:33,508 --> 00:10:37,200 be like, oh, that was fun. It's yeah, it was good while it 188 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:42,300 lasted but it, I mean, it is tearing down the old way and 189 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:45,500 I'll listen There's a lot of like this is going to ruin 190 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:48,900 college football. I get that it met. 191 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,400 The forward pass was also supposed to ruin college 192 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,400 football. You know, the the introduction 193 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,300 of signing limits in recruiting classes so that Bear Bryant 194 00:11:02,300 --> 00:11:04,700 couldn't just get the 50, most talented kids in the South and 195 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:07,000 screw everybody else in the SEC so much. 196 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,200 So that Bobby Dodd just took Georgia Tech independent to 197 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,500 thumb his nose at them or things of that. 198 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,900 College football, hit hit no longer being allowed to sign 199 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:21,300 like a 75 member freshman class was no longer write 60 of them 200 00:11:21,300 --> 00:11:24,700 were enrolled and worked at the steel foundries like it, you 201 00:11:24,708 --> 00:11:29,000 know, it like all these things were supposed to ruin college, 202 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,200 football, college, football is doing fine. 203 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,700 And I suspect college football will find its equilibrium here. 204 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,600 But I think the other thing about yesterday, Again, like so 205 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,200 many of these, these forces have kind of been positioning 206 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:48,600 themselves for a big like a really big sort of maneuver to 207 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,500 something new, you've got in il, you've got all these people, 208 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:53,800 discussing the idea of just moving football away from the 209 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,200 NCAA entirely, putting it under the playoff. 210 00:11:56,500 --> 00:12:00,900 You've got, I mean just just all kinds of things going on here. 211 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:10,500 The yesterday felt like the last Domino to really like, like, 212 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:13,400 when Texas and Oklahoma moved and in the Big Ten didn't 213 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,800 counter, it was like, okay, you know, in these War analogies, 214 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,300 forgive me are clumsy, but this is best I have ever it. 215 00:12:21,300 --> 00:12:22,500 Is every light, I'm sort of like everybody. 216 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:27,000 Put their guns down for now. And in il has prompted, all 217 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,900 these discussions of like maybe the the current government 218 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:34,700 structure of College athletics. Particular usual, college 219 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:38,100 football and big-time money. Making College athletics is not 220 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:40,200 really fit for purpose anymore. We need to explore something 221 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,500 else, but we're talking about it openly. 222 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:46,200 But like it's, it's it's, it's still just kind of. 223 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,400 Yeah, you know, it's it's still sort of theoretical this Kicks 224 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,300 Down the door. Yeah, this, you know, this this 225 00:12:53,300 --> 00:12:58,400 is the this removes the last obstacle like the dam is down 226 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,000 now. The water is over it. 227 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,700 And what comes next? We can debate but I think this 228 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:06,300 is when you can finally just sort of say, like we're off. 229 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:08,100 Yeah. And and let's talk about the 230 00:13:08,108 --> 00:13:10,400 reason why? And it's because you know, the 231 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,300 the order as it had reformed itself after the 2010 expansions 232 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:18,600 was essentially five power conferences and you know 233 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,300 famously the Pac-12 or the pac-10 at the time, almost added 234 00:13:22,300 --> 00:13:25,500 Texas in that round of expansion that was going to be Larry 235 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:30,900 Scott's, big move, and then ESPN trying to avoid the four super 236 00:13:30,900 --> 00:13:34,000 conference line up. What's that? 237 00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:37,200 But this essentially, as you mentioned, it cuts the heart out 238 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,100 of the Pac-12, the Pac-12 without the LA schools is 239 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:45,000 essentially not a financial entity that can command much of 240 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,300 anything in terms of the television market place. 241 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:50,500 You know, they are now relegated to being at the level that the 242 00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:54,100 current Big 12 is at and that's not a very good place to be. 243 00:13:54,700 --> 00:14:00,200 And it further garnishes, the big Ten's television rights 244 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,100 which still haven't been completely signed. 245 00:14:02,300 --> 00:14:03,800 That's supposed to happen. At some point. 246 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,000 It now makes the the Big 10 that much more attractive, the SEC 247 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,100 with Texas and Oklahoma already attractive. 248 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:13,300 And now the big question is, you know, the financial gap between 249 00:14:13,300 --> 00:14:16,600 the Big Ten and the SEC and what those schools individually will 250 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,400 be making is now entirely separated, like there was still 251 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,700 a chance, potentially the Pac-12 might be able to figure 252 00:14:22,700 --> 00:14:25,300 something out and be like, hey, we have the LA Market, we have 253 00:14:25,700 --> 00:14:29,100 Seattle, we have the Bay Area, maybe we can get some kind of 254 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:31,000 package that works. Now that's completely out the 255 00:14:31,008 --> 00:14:33,900 window and now it ends up being a Should have what other 256 00:14:33,900 --> 00:14:38,500 Domino's can fall because anything keeping college 257 00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:40,100 football. From going to essentially a to 258 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:42,600 conference super structure is basically gone out the window, 259 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,200 as you said, Right. I think I think what's, what is 260 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:52,800 next to me. And, you know, I know you and I 261 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,400 were having this discussion yesterday, I was trying to 262 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,100 remember, I was like, who's having this discussion with 263 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:58,400 yesterday, because I think I had about 80 discussion yesterday. 264 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,600 It was you, I know your sort of advocating for the idea of 265 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,700 basically consolidating now like with the the the line from that 266 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:08,500 wonderful Clive Owen movie The Inside Man, when there's blood 267 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:13,200 on the streets by property, I think ultimately wants Texas and 268 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,900 Oklahoma were off the board. Were basically three brands that 269 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:20,300 were left, USC, UCLA and Notre Dame, USC and UCLA because of 270 00:15:20,308 --> 00:15:23,000 their strength and because of their location Notre Dame 271 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,000 because they're Notre Dame. If Notre Dame is interested and 272 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,700 I will not profess to be at all the most tapped in person on 273 00:15:31,700 --> 00:15:33,500 this. But I am confident that Notre 274 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:36,200 Dame is considering the idea seriously? 275 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,400 Now of, we may need to join a conference. 276 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,200 Like it, it may be time basically to use the leverage 277 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,300 while we have it before. We are forced. 278 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,400 Just to dive in and, you know, we don't and we have to accept 279 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,300 someone else's terms. If Notre Dame's interested, 280 00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:56,000 obviously, obviously you have to listen for me. 281 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,000 Other than that. I think the Big Ten should stand 282 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,800 path for the moment and I think the Big Ten needs to get in a 283 00:16:02,808 --> 00:16:08,400 room with the SEC and discuss a sensible playoff future because 284 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,000 all of a sudden, the terms around that of change, like, 285 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,100 don't think you need to give anybody don't think you need to 286 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:16,300 give Efforts, Champions automatic qualifiers anymore. 287 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:19,900 If you don't want to, you know, like that. 288 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:22,500 Does that make a lot of sense for the SEC or the Big Ten right 289 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:26,100 now? No, not to say you won't, but 290 00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:30,400 then maybe what you do is you go to Big 12, you go to the ACC, 291 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:32,600 you know, whatever's left of the Pac-12. 292 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,800 And you say, if you want that, you're gonna have to agree to a 293 00:16:34,808 --> 00:16:38,700 16-team leak or your or a 12 2016 gameplay, 04:12 team, 294 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:44,300 playoff, you know, you're going to have to accept that you just 295 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,700 Gonna have to live like live with that because ultimately we 296 00:16:46,700 --> 00:16:51,400 hold all the cards now and then at that point, once you figure 297 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,300 out if you're the Big Ten of the SEC, basically, what the most 298 00:16:55,300 --> 00:16:58,300 favorable structure would be for you under the new. 299 00:16:58,300 --> 00:17:01,500 Playoff, that's when I think you start having conversations, 300 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:06,000 serious conversations about Clemson or Florida State, North 301 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,800 Carolina, or Virginia, or Washington, or Oregon, or 302 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,400 Stanford or whoever. I think the thing is, if you're 303 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,700 the Big Ten, especially Big 10 right now because the You always 304 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:17,300 being renegotiated you don't need there's nobody else out 305 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:19,300 there. You need organ. 306 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:21,000 Does not change the math for you. 307 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,900 Enough. Washington does not the one 308 00:17:22,900 --> 00:17:25,700 school that does is Notre. Dame, even the schools in the 309 00:17:25,700 --> 00:17:29,600 ACC really kind of don't. Like, I saw you talking to the 310 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,900 blask about this on Twitter. Like, okay, yeah, you could go 311 00:17:31,900 --> 00:17:35,800 get, Georgia Tech, but like, Georgia Tech is so irrelevant 312 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:36,900 in. And I say that, as someone who 313 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:39,500 grew up in Georgia Tech fan, like, when I was a kid, my 314 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:42,200 granddaddy went to Tech my aunts and uncles went to Tech. 315 00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:44,200 Like I was a tech fan growing up. 316 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,300 It is so. Irrelevant in that town. 317 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:49,400 That town is a Georgia town. If the Braves town, it's a 318 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,400 Falcons town, it's a hawks town. It's a high school sports town. 319 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,900 It's an everybody else in the SEC town. 320 00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:58,800 It's an atlantian night in town and then it is a Georgia Tech 321 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,000 town like that like that. There is, you would, it would be 322 00:18:02,300 --> 00:18:05,600 even cheaper than getting Rutgers to open up, New York. 323 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,100 Like, trust me, it really would, there's also the complication of 324 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:12,700 like, apparently it's very hard not that, you can't be done. 325 00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:15,800 But apparently, it would be very hard to Kate, I think in 326 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,200 particular, I don't know about Notre Dame but I think I'm 327 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,200 taking the full ACC members from their grant of rights deal right 328 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,700 now, which runs through 2036. So again, if you're the Big Ten, 329 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,800 your whole thing right now is we're all about to make a 330 00:18:25,808 --> 00:18:27,800 hundred million dollars a year and meteorites. 331 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,400 You don't want to look at your members and say, but we're going 332 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,400 to need to spend 20 million of that every year to get Clemson 333 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,400 out of the just so we can be in the Charlotte market like that, 334 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,100 that doesn't make a lot of sense, nor frankly if I'm the 335 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:43,100 Big Ten does trying to go south and fight the SEC when you're 336 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:46,000 not going to win. We're at you just opened up a 337 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,500 brand new Corridor out west. I think that's the avenue to 338 00:18:48,500 --> 00:18:52,700 explore, but I just think that in this moment other than Notre 339 00:18:52,700 --> 00:18:56,800 Dame there's nobody, that moves the needle enough that you if 340 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,100 you're the Big Ten, can't just say, let's take a breath, let's 341 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:03,800 figure out because the next, the next Golden Egg to crack. 342 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,800 Open, is the playoff and figuring out like, where are the 343 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,800 economic levers. That's everyone's favorite 344 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:11,800 phrase, these days. I see it. 345 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,300 Around Barcelona tweets all the time, the economically. 346 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,800 A where are the economic levers in the plan? 347 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,800 How do you make money off of the playoff? 348 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,300 If you expand it, then you take, you take the answer to that 349 00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:24,600 question and you overlay it on your conference. 350 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,000 It's okay. To 16 make sense, does 18 makes 351 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,500 sense. Just 20 makes sense. 352 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,000 What makes the most sense at that point? 353 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:36,600 And then you go from there. You know the interesting thing 354 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,100 is going to be this because I understand all that you're 355 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:41,500 saying and you're probably going to be right because I think 356 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:44,200 you're thinking is more in line with where College presidents. 357 00:19:44,300 --> 00:19:47,600 Are at right now. What's going to be fascinating? 358 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,800 Let's say the let's say, Notre Dame is looking at this and 359 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,500 they've decided, look, we need to jump. 360 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:56,200 Now, as you mentioned that does move the needle from a financial 361 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,700 perspective. What's going to be interesting 362 00:19:57,700 --> 00:20:00,500 is much as we saw with you as see who's looking at 363 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:03,500 Northwestern. And Vanderbilt and saying, wait 364 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:05,500 a minute. Northwestern and Vanderbilt are 365 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:09,100 making more than double in television Revenue, what we're 366 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:12,800 making and we're USC. I look at these ACC schools. 367 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,600 Who, as you mentioned, have a Grant of rights with the ACC for 368 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,900 television with ESPN, but it's only paying them. 369 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:21,900 I think something like 17 million dollars a year through 370 00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:27,600 2036, if you're a Florida State or a Clemson or one of these 371 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,100 schools. That's that's had a lot of 372 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:31,800 national success that looks as itself as a national brand, it's 373 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,300 going to be a hard pill to swallow when Mississippi state 374 00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:39,700 is, or South Carolina is earning a hundred million dollars a year 375 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:44,200 plus from television contracts. They have through the SEC with 376 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:48,400 When so, I do Wonder at some point, those schools are not 377 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,000 going to be satisfied with just sitting there and taking it, 378 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,100 which might end up with ESPN pulling the chain oniy on the 379 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:59,100 entire ACC television contract to begin with. 380 00:20:59,500 --> 00:21:03,500 So, you know, as you mentioned, if you're the Big Ten doing 381 00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:07,100 exploratory, stuff in the southern markets, where you're 382 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:09,200 going to have to pay money, to get those schools in, probably 383 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,300 doesn't make a lot of sense, but you do have to be ready. 384 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:16,600 If and when the ACC or ESPN, Pulls the plug on itself with 385 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,700 that contract and decides that. Hey, now is the time we need to 386 00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:21,600 consolidate. There's going to be some brands 387 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,900 that aren't just going to want to March into the SEC and be 388 00:21:23,900 --> 00:21:26,300 like the 11th or 12th. Most important brand there. 389 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,800 No, I think that's probably true. 390 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,500 You know, again, the question is just like, what is the near-term 391 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:35,900 future? What is the long-term future? 392 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:38,600 I know there are people that really believe kind of in this 393 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:45,900 idea of of a Super League II, don't I'm not sure I'm as ready 394 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:51,800 to buy into that as some other people but like, could we, is 395 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,200 there a 20-year plan? Where we wind up with a sidecar 396 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,800 competition, like the Champions League, where ultimately, we do 397 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:05,500 give something to the the the ultra Elite that is sort of 398 00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:08,500 reserved for them with with at least the illusion of the idea 399 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:12,100 that like IU football could play its way into that because you 400 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:15,500 can you for I'm sure we have several listeners, who don't 401 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,100 know what the champions league is or how it works because you 402 00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:20,000 give a thumbnail sketch of it for everybody. 403 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:24,700 Basically it involves all of the what is it? 404 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:28,500 Like 4750, something looks like 53. 405 00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:31,200 Yeah, national soccer leagues in Europe. 406 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,700 In what's called you a phone, which is the union of European 407 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:37,300 football. Association's participation is 408 00:22:37,300 --> 00:22:38,800 waiting on the strength of your league. 409 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,000 So England gets more teams than Hungary. 410 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:43,200 It's teams get more favorable position. 411 00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:47,600 Mission than Hungary you know England gets 14, Spain gets four 412 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,300 teams, France gets three teams. A Holland gets two teams or you 413 00:22:50,308 --> 00:22:53,700 know whatever these things change based on basically how 414 00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:56,800 competitive these leagues are annually in European 415 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,200 competition, you qualify for it out of your league position. 416 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:02,900 And then you play Champions League games, you play your 417 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:05,900 League season and then again sort of sidecar to that 418 00:23:05,900 --> 00:23:07,800 alongside that you're playing Champions League games, get you 419 00:23:07,808 --> 00:23:10,100 qualified or Europa League games as well. 420 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:13,700 It's that sort of like their second level competition and And 421 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,500 basically what it is is just an additional like enormous Revenue 422 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,700 stream. Like I think using Liverpool is 423 00:23:20,708 --> 00:23:23,100 the example. I think Liverpool's expectation 424 00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:25,700 for their leak, their Premier League finish would be about 150 425 00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:28,800 million pounds this year, something like that. 426 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,800 I think their expectation for playing all the way to the 427 00:23:30,808 --> 00:23:32,600 Champions League. Final would be like another 75 428 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,200 million pounds. And in theory any team that 429 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,600 plays in the first division in England can qualify for the 430 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,200 Champions League in practice nearly no team. 431 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:47,400 Will it will be a, it will come from a live exclusive list of no 432 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,100 more than maybe seven teams you know out of the 20 in that 433 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:53,100 League. Plus the 24 in the league below 434 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:55,900 that plus the 24 of the link below that plus the 22 in the 435 00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:58,300 league before that are below that. 436 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,100 So the point is, there is the illusion of the idea that IU 437 00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:05,600 football or Illinois, football, or Purdue football, could 438 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,400 someday be in this. This this sort of top-tier 439 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,600 competition the likelihood is that because the resources are 440 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,000 built the way, Built there will always be a ceiling that those 441 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,700 schools. The vast majority of them cannot 442 00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:20,700 break through to get into this Elite competition. 443 00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:23,800 But I do reject kind of this idea that we're going to wind up 444 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,100 in a place where basically, all the good schools are just going 445 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:29,900 to go off and do their own thing, and just because number 446 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:32,500 one, nobody wanted that, like, European soccer tried that last 447 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:37,000 year and there was such a, an immediate and emotional Revolt 448 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,600 that it didn't last a week. Number two, Television Partners 449 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,800 one inventory. Like at the end of the day there 450 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,500 are like 600,000 living IU, alumni who will sit down and 451 00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:52,500 watch a game, you know, watch Indiana play, Michigan State on 452 00:24:52,508 --> 00:24:55,100 a Saturday under the illusion that it may matter even though 453 00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:58,100 they know ultimately it's not going to get them in the playoff 454 00:24:58,100 --> 00:25:00,600 in all likelihood they're still going to watch it and they're 455 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,200 still going to make the broadcast Partners more much 456 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,300 more money than the broadcast partners are going to spend 457 00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:08,500 putting that game on in terms of, you know, putting talent in 458 00:25:08,508 --> 00:25:11,100 the booth somewhere and run. The cameras and you know, 459 00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:14,700 turning on the broadcast signal. So I just I still think there's 460 00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:19,500 going to be a need for that product but again we stratify it 461 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:22,600 somehow. As time goes on, we can't answer 462 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,400 those questions until we know where the Big Ten in the SEC. 463 00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:28,100 Now, more than ever, as you said, I think you said it a 464 00:25:28,108 --> 00:25:30,700 minute ago, it is really the Big 10, the SEC, and then everyone 465 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:33,600 else we can't really answer that question. 466 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,300 Till we know where, what the Big Ten in the SEC thing makes 467 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:37,700 sense. Is it? 468 00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:42,100 16 is at 18, is it? 20, is it to just to Super 469 00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:43,500 conferences? I don't know. 470 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,900 And then, and then there is listen, football drives this 471 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:50,300 bus, but basketball is the only other billion-dollar sport. 472 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,500 It's not like basketball is still gonna be a factor in this 473 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,700 because it's not like any of these schools are going to be 474 00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:57,500 like that we'll just leave that money on the table. 475 00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:00,600 We don't want those millions and millions of dollars. 476 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,000 So then that that kind of layers into it as well. 477 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,700 If you start really shaking up the conference's, do you change 478 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:08,700 the way your basketball season Works in particular your 479 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:12,100 postseason? But week, I mean, you know, we 480 00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:14,200 could get into these weeds in any number of directions. 481 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,400 It's a giant swamp or standing in the love right now. 482 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,200 I want to pick up on something that you mentioned there a 483 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,100 little bit it, because it corresponds with concerns that 484 00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:26,800 I've seen people voicing, and it's that we're going to get 485 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,300 three or five, or seven years down the road, and the big 486 00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:33,800 football schools are going to kick, everybody else out and 487 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,100 just form a super league and that, you know, for Indiana fans 488 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:37,600 remain. Okay. 489 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,500 Indiana is no longer involved. I don't think that's very likely 490 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,800 for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is you 491 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:49,400 just don't see those big teams wanting to be in places where 492 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,800 they could potentially lose more than one or two games in a 493 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,400 regular season. And if you've got nothing but 494 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,500 big brands in a league, that's essentially what would happen. 495 00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:58,500 What's your take on? All of this, is this something 496 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:03,700 Indiana fan should be concerned about I think I mean first of 497 00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:07,300 all in the near-term know like in the in the near term this is 498 00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:08,800 all still going to look pretty familiar. 499 00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:11,600 We're going to expand the playoff you know whether Notre 500 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,700 Dame gets added or not. Whether anybody else gets added 501 00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:14,900 or not. We're going to see probably a 502 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:16,400 scheduling model. I would guess similar to what 503 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,800 was already coming which is you have a couple protected Rivals 504 00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:21,200 and then you play everybody else home in a way on a rotating 505 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:27,100 basis, in the long term, I think there are a few things. 506 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,800 Number one, basketball will still matter to, Extend in some 507 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,400 respects, it may matter even more to have schools with strong 508 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,400 basketball Brands while the football schools just Hammer 509 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:44,000 football and know, like, yes, you will feel a little bit like 510 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,100 a second-class, citizen at basketball is your main 511 00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:49,600 contribution but it is still, like I said, it's still a 512 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,500 billion-dollar sport. It's still the only other 513 00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:53,300 billion-dollar sport in college athletics. 514 00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:55,100 They're not just going to throw that away. 515 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000 Number ever wear, this was number two. 516 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,700 Number three, Indiana is Still still has a lot of just physical 517 00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:06,400 power as a fan base. It's a large fan base. 518 00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:09,700 You're talking hundreds of thousands of people that will 519 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:13,100 tune in to watch out, you games, that will travel to IU bowls. 520 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,700 That will do those. You know, you won't get 100,000 521 00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:17,300 people traveling valuable because you're saying what I'm 522 00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:22,100 saying, and sort of concurrent to that and don't see a world 523 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:24,700 where we tear down that whole structure like the bowls. 524 00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:28,900 Again, it's not free money but like the Bulls make money, the 525 00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:32,100 bowls make everyone money. So are we really going to do 526 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:35,600 something where we just tear 25 teams away and everybody else is 527 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,000 just sort of left playing for scraps. 528 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,000 And ultimately the value of all that is is just submarine 529 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,100 because everyone knows that like you Illinois on a Saturday 530 00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:46,700 afternoon doesn't have doesn't mean anything because there's 531 00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:49,000 no. So like, we're not going to 532 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,900 throw away the Music City Bowl because it makes people money. 533 00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:54,400 Does it make them as much money as well? 534 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,100 No, but like, it's still makes money like it's still that no 535 00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:00,600 one's leaving money on the table. 536 00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:01,600 No. No One's Gonna Be Like, no. 537 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,900 We don't. We don't need that money. 538 00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:06,500 We only need this money. Like this is all about money and 539 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:08,400 they're not going to leave some of it on the table, simply 540 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,300 because maybe it's not quite exclusive enough. 541 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,200 The other part of this too, is, it's on level and this is going 542 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,000 to sound flippant about. All you football more than, I 543 00:29:16,008 --> 00:29:18,000 mean it too. But like the Yankees need the 544 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,400 Orioles to lose 100 games, so they can win, 100 games. 545 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:24,900 There will always quite frankly at some level be a need for, you 546 00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:30,100 know, that, you know, for there to be have-nots for there to be 547 00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:33,000 happens. And like, seriously anyone who's 548 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,600 not familiar with the European Super League because they talked 549 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,700 about it for years, like they taught mean the idea of a super 550 00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:44,000 league that takes just like the 20 to 25 best, you know, 551 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,100 football clubs in Europe and we can name them all here. 552 00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:50,300 The big six in England, Manchester United City, 553 00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:53,600 Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs Arsenal, Bayern Munich, Rocio, 554 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,000 Dortmund, maybe the big four and in Italy, the toumelin teams 555 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,700 Rome and you've a real Madrid Barcelona athletic. 556 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,800 Madrid, you know, PL in the Gap PSG, he forgets. 557 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,300 He didn't see the filling the gap of the few others Leon. 558 00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:10,700 Maybe, you know. Yeah, that idea has been around 559 00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:12,900 for like 30 years. It's been around as long as the 560 00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:14,900 Premier League is existed. That was 1992. 561 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,500 If not longer than that frankly. They did that last year and it 562 00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:24,800 literally didn't last a week like they announced it. 563 00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:29,100 There were huge, protests outside, stadiums all over 564 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,800 Europe, Manchester United fans, The biggest game in club 565 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,700 football shut down. They're supposed to play 566 00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:37,300 Liverpool on a Sunday afternoon behind closed doors, there 567 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:40,100 weren't supposed to be fans in the stadium and they invaded the 568 00:30:40,108 --> 00:30:42,100 stadium. Got onto the field in the 569 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:44,700 thousands and would not leave, and they had to postpone the 570 00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:45,900 game. They had to play it like three 571 00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:49,200 weeks later. And the point I'm trying to make 572 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:54,000 is everyone almost immediately rejected that I don't 573 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,800 necessarily think that the, the attitude would be dissimilar 574 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,100 here. That's why I wonder if what what 575 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:06,700 maybe makes more sense. Long term is some sort of 576 00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:10,400 stratification of competition where the Indiana's the 577 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,400 Illinois. If we go to other conferences, 578 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,600 the Ole Miss has, you know, the the Mississippi state's, the 579 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:24,000 South Carolina's, the, I don't know, the Is whatever are still 580 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:30,700 in the room but there is like an exclusive table that it is 581 00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:33,300 highly unlikely. They will ever get extended 582 00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:37,700 access to maybe. Maybe once every 40 years 583 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,900 Indiana will have the kind of season they had during the covid 584 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:43,100 season. And they'll get to sit, they'll 585 00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:46,300 get one year sitting at that table, whatever that looks like. 586 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,700 And then that's won't be sustainable. 587 00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:51,500 They'll fall out again. Yeah, and they'll just kind of 588 00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:53,800 fade back into the pack you know, in the way that we've 589 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,800 seen, any number, you know, newcastle's done it Lester's 590 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,500 done, it takes to in Spain all the freaking time. 591 00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:04,600 I think that probably makes more sense to me, but like we are, I 592 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,800 want to also be clear like we are in You know, like this is 593 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:15,100 just like Ultra hypothetical territory but I don't see a 594 00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:18,800 world where all these broadcast partners that are shelling out 595 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,400 literally billions of dollars for the this inventory. 596 00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:27,600 Suddenly only one Ohio state Alabama every week because it 597 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:33,600 loses a level of exclusivity. It loses a degree of importance 598 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,800 because all of a sudden it doesn't feel like it means that 599 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,400 much if they're just Do it again next season. 600 00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:44,400 There's, there's no sense of like, you know, already we were 601 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,600 probably destroying the idea that college football is unique 602 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,800 to the NFL because you have to be perfect when a national 603 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,800 championship or damn near close to it, like the days of 12 and 0 604 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,800 are probably in an end or very close to it. 605 00:32:57,100 --> 00:33:01,900 In the big conferences is just it's just gonna be too hard but 606 00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:09,700 the the idea of just like the the elite of the elite basically 607 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:12,600 disappearing sort of off the, you know, over the edge of the 608 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,700 cliff by themselves. I just I don't think there's too 609 00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:22,700 much demand for total inventory here, for that to be something 610 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:26,800 where that's the that's the only good football on every 611 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:27,900 afternoon. If you understand what I'm 612 00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:29,400 saying? Yeah, well and I think there's 613 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,600 even more inventory. Demand now. 614 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,000 I mean we saw the report yesterday from Sports Business 615 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,400 Journal After the news that USC and UCLA are going to join the 616 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,600 Big Ten Apple TV, which it backed out of the Big Ten rights 617 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,900 negotiation suddenly called and said, hey we'd like to get back 618 00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:50,800 in on this if we can, you know, you've got NBC with peacock. 619 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,400 You're looking desperately for inventory that they can stream, 620 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,500 because at this point, they don't have a whole lot of 621 00:33:56,508 --> 00:33:59,800 properties on the sports front and sports still drives the bus 622 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,600 so much in terms of advertisers, in terms of demographics. you're 623 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,600 reaching, you know, the the 18 to 36 male Marketplace in a live 624 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,100 setting and that's just so impossible to do in almost every 625 00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:14,100 other phase of television or whatever you want to call 626 00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:17,800 television these days, the to some degree, the demands going 627 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,100 up, not down, which is, I think something that people aren't 628 00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:26,500 used to because as I've seen a lot of the arguments against 629 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:30,699 this, it's well, you know, there's you need this media 630 00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:33,500 marketer that media market and those are frankly, arguments 631 00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:37,199 from 10 to 12 years, Ago. It's already a different media 632 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,199 landscape in terms of where the games could be showed and what 633 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,300 kind of inventory there is than that then there was no you're 634 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:46,000 not going to make this move to LA and San Francisco just to 635 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,400 choke off your inventory. Yeah. 636 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,000 Like that. Like that's why like I said I 637 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,000 think either the idea of like a crazy expanded playoff. 638 00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,699 Like I think maybe the thing that makes the most sense to me 639 00:34:56,699 --> 00:35:00,000 if we're if we're talking 15, 20 years down the line like not in 640 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,100 the next five years. But you know, 2030 to 2040 to 641 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:09,700 Guided you know the planet is not superheated by then the 642 00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:14,600 thing that makes the most sense to me is like you know like a 10 643 00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:18,700 11 game regular season you know two or three super conferences 644 00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:23,300 like like maybe the Big 12 finds a way to bring the remnants of 645 00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:27,300 the Pac-12 and the ACC and or something like that. 646 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,900 And then we have kind of like the big 12, the Big Ten, the SEC 647 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:36,200 3 super conferences, And expanded like a hyper expanded 648 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:41,600 playoff that's like 32 teams or 20, like 24 teams a teams get 649 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,000 buys and those eight, you know, the whole thing is structured 650 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,800 such as those eight teams that get buys are nearly always going 651 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:55,400 to be Alabama LSU, Ohio State USC, like, like the thumb is on 652 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,900 the scale to make sure that those teams are first in line to 653 00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:03,100 get the Primo spots in the play of every year and then the rest 654 00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:06,000 of the field. Is a little bit is a little bit 655 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,200 more. Egalitarian is a little bit more 656 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,500 like Iowa will have an opportunity to get in here. 657 00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:14,000 We'll find a way to let you know, one or two group of five 658 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,500 teams in. So, then again, we're sort of 659 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:19,000 maintaining the illusion of access and if there is a 660 00:36:19,008 --> 00:36:21,700 Cincinnati out there, they can come in and they can play on our 661 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,600 oven will see if they can cut the mustard. 662 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,400 But it, you know, the playoff becomes this thing that's not 663 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,300 fully exclusive because you need to add like ultimately the 664 00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:36,800 playoffs expanding because again Broadcasters TV Partners 665 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,600 Distributors, want more inventory, they want more 666 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,100 playoff games, and one put more playoff games on TV, you know, 667 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:45,600 three is not enough for them, they want more. 668 00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:52,100 So you find a way to expand it while still keeping the top end 669 00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:53,800 of it. Relatively exclusive. 670 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,800 You don't lose all the other inventory, so, you know, Purdue 671 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,100 Michigan State still gets one and a half million viewers on a 672 00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:09,200 Saturday afternoon because those are two big programs or big, you 673 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,500 know, alumni basis and you'll sell 50,000 tickets and you'll 674 00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:15,000 get, like I said another million people watching on TV. 675 00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:18,300 Particularly the Big Ten in the SEC. 676 00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:22,400 I heard of Staff yesterday that like of like the 70 most watch 677 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,700 college football games last year or something like that. 678 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:28,700 Like, 66 were 65 or in the Big Ten of the SEC. 679 00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:31,800 And it was, it was a relatively even split between them, but the 680 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,400 point is, like those conferences don't want to lose that 681 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,400 inventory. Like Nuttall. 682 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,400 All Miss and Mississippi state will never be playing for a spot 683 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,600 in the national championship game. 684 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,900 But like, the SEC does not want the Egg Bowl to suddenly not 685 00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:47,600 matter. The I mean it's good TV makes 686 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,300 the money. I don't think that's going away. 687 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:55,400 I think what's going to happen is we're going to long-term see 688 00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,500 further conference consolidation further sort of move not maybe 689 00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:03,400 not just to the power of 5 but like of what we call F BS in 690 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,400 general away from the NCAA, if not away, from the is entirely 691 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,800 and then some sort of system that theoretically gives 692 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,500 everyone access to a national championship. 693 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:19,300 But puts the thumb on the scale for the top, you know? 694 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:27,900 Six, eight, Ten teams, Alabama. Oklahoma USC, Ohio, State, 695 00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:32,800 Notre, Dame, and then don't forget, you exist, don't forget 696 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,300 to Texas and maybe, you know, that I didn't put my boy in 697 00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:38,800 there. The point is something that 698 00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:42,600 something that makes it highly likely that those schools are 699 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,200 going to be first in line for the elite level of access to the 700 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,800 conference, the college football postseason and all that money. 701 00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:51,300 We may see, you know, like we surprised if we get to a point 702 00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:53,800 where the Big Ten stops Distributing money evenly the 703 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,100 way that it does right now. But or again, at least maybe at 704 00:38:57,100 --> 00:39:00,200 form something else that doesn't, you know, this money 705 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,900 gets distributed evenly, but this money doesn't. 706 00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:06,400 It's we are really just like, through the Looking Glass in 707 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,100 terms of trying to sort of forecast, a lot of this. 708 00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:12,400 But I think that is the most likely thing because ultimately 709 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,200 to your point, people want more inventory, right now, not less. 710 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,600 And there will probably come a point where we reach a critical 711 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,500 mass and people will say, yes, that is enough college football. 712 00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:24,600 I don't I don't need more but they won't want less. 713 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,100 Yes, and they certainly, won't want substantially less. 714 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,500 And I think that the reason why the Super League gets rejected 715 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,500 is number one, culturally, everyone hated it. 716 00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:37,200 Everyone said this is going to destroy, you know, football 717 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,900 European football. But number two, everyone said, 718 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:45,000 we prefer a model similar to what we have, which is that in 719 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:52,200 theory, everyone has access in theory, you can be You know, 720 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,900 Sunderland in League one and if you get a rich owner and a smart 721 00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:01,500 series of managers in eight years, you can get promoted 722 00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:05,700 twice solidify yourself in the Champions League or in the 723 00:40:05,707 --> 00:40:08,100 Premier League and then qualify for the Champions League by 724 00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:11,600 finishing in the top four. That will never happen 725 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:13,900 obviously, you know, what was it? 726 00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:16,900 It was like, what, like, two thousand to one that Lester was 727 00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:18,900 going to win the league when they want it in 2016. 728 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,700 But the point is the illusion is there to satisfy everyone else 729 00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:29,800 while still creating this this mechanism that allows the elite 730 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:34,700 teams to make an extra amount of enormous money enormous revenue. 731 00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:37,500 And that's that to me, makes the most sense if we're talking 732 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:44,400 about kind of the long term. You know, the long terms were 733 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,300 future of this long term structure of this. 734 00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:48,700 Yeah, as you mentioned, it's almost impossible to predict at 735 00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:50,700 this point because there's there's so many moves to be 736 00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:52,500 made. There's contracts to be signed 737 00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:54,700 on the television front and elsewhere. 738 00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:57,900 And so, we will keep an eye on it and see what happens with 739 00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:00,900 everything fascinating times in college sports. 740 00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:02,900 Any final thoughts before we wrap up, Zack. 741 00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:08,200 I mean, it is it is fascinating and it's one of those times we 742 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,800 hear a lot of people say it's destroying the game. 743 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,000 I think it's remaking college sports. 744 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,700 That doesn't mean it's going to be better or it's going to be 745 00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:18,200 worse and I'll say what I've always said, which is long as 746 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,400 seven and a half million people tuned in to watch Ohio, State 747 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,300 Penn State on a Saturday night in October, this will all still 748 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:26,700 be there. Just may look different to what 749 00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:31,800 you expect. I do think you know and again, 750 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,000 this is this is just me trying to make an educated guess. 751 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,400 I really do think borrowing borrowing Notre Dame, doing 752 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,400 something unexpected based on 100 Years of precedent. 753 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,600 I think the next move is playoff expansion and then in the 754 00:41:47,607 --> 00:41:50,600 meantime there's a lot that can go on around the periphery. 755 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,800 If I was the big 12, like I said, I would be hammering at 756 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,100 least half of the Pac-12 right now and sit, like, you know, 757 00:41:58,100 --> 00:41:59,800 just calling the Rocky Mountain schools. 758 00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:03,000 There's an example, Arizona, Arizona, State Utah, Colorado, 759 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,200 let's bring in Salt Lake City Denver, you know, Phoenix. 760 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,400 And let's just be, you know, the Go West Conference. 761 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,800 You know what, let's be the conference of pioneers or 762 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,500 whatever. I don't know what you call it, 763 00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:23,200 but, you know, the Oregon Trail conference basically, because 764 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,800 you'd still be able to lay claim to Houston San Antonio Dallas on 765 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,700 the city. Now, you again, you'd be adding 766 00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:31,200 Phoenix, you'd be adding, you know, I mean they're be 767 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,900 secondary markets in there like Tucson and Reno. 768 00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:38,800 And I mean, to some extent Las Vegas and, you know, certainly I 769 00:42:38,808 --> 00:42:41,700 mean, Denver is the big fish in Colorado, but it's not the only 770 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,700 like populated area of Colorado, so there will be stuff that 771 00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:50,100 happens on the periphery. But this is, this is going to be 772 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:53,500 driven by the SEC in the Big Ten and I think both of those 773 00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:55,200 schools, both of those conferences. 774 00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:59,600 Unless Notre Dame does something is open to doing something? 775 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,500 I think both of those conferences, what makes the most 776 00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:07,400 sense to me is to wait for the playoff to figure out what you 777 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,200 want to play off to look like possibly tear up, the old 778 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,000 contracts and just sign new ones. 779 00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:17,500 Then go back and say, okay, under this structure, how big 780 00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:19,600 shark conference be? And who do we need? 781 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,600 Do we need Clemson? Do we need North Carolina? 782 00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:25,900 Do we need organ? Doing in Washington? 783 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,200 That's what I think you get. You kind of go, you know, maybe 784 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,200 a little bit further afield that way. 785 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,300 And not, you know, I mean it's going to be fascinating. 786 00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:39,100 I've also seen that 40 wrote this and, you know, I trusted 787 00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:41,400 Pat knows more about some of this than I, a lot of this than 788 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,000 I do. You know, he's sort of threw out 789 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,900 the idea of like, what if there's gonna be a lot of really 790 00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:51,300 academically oriented schools here, that may wind up, cut 791 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:56,300 adrift, you know, Duke, like Forest potentially Notre. 792 00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:00,400 Stanford Cal. What if they try to go do some 793 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,600 try to be some sort of, you know, ivy league on steroids and 794 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,200 and it's not going to make them the money that the SEC of the 795 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,400 Big Ten will make but you know, maybe it allows them to 796 00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:17,100 re-emphasize academic somehow. Like I said, the big thing for 797 00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:20,600 me was just that this move felt like the last one that knocked 798 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:26,300 down whatever the remaining sort of barriers were to college. 799 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,800 It's just just tearing it up and starting over in a lot of 800 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,100 respects and I think that's, I think. 801 00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:40,300 Now we are going to see like the root and Branch change that is, 802 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,200 I think we are now seeing going to see the root and Branch 803 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,300 change that people have been sort of theorizing for the last 804 00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:50,800 10 to 15 years. And certainly last two years, I 805 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,900 think we are going to think now that stuff's going to become 806 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,100 reality. Step by step, we'll keep an eye 807 00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:02,000 on it as it moves forward and we'll probably have Zach back 808 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,400 on. It has some point soon if 809 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,800 additional dominoes fall, as we'll keep an eye on what's 810 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,900 going on in South Bend and elsewhere here over the next 811 00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:11,400 couple of months. Zach awesome and thanks for 812 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,900 joining me on the podcast, as always looking forward to 813 00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:16,300 talking to you sports with you in the future. 814 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,400 Thanks for having me is always good to be back, it's never 815 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,900 never dull, never not once. Thanks all you folks for 816 00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:25,700 listening in and thanks home-field apparel our 817 00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:29,400 presenting sponsor here on the back home network for Zach. 818 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,700 I'm Galen this is Crimson, cast will catch you folks on the flip 819 00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:34,200 side? Bring back the Bison. 820 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:34,900 So long everybody.