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We got a person. 25 00:01:33,100 --> 00:01:35,800 I never thought we'd quite have back on the podcast before but 26 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,400 we're hoping is going to be more regular thing. 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,300 Now as Father, James Pierce joining us. 28 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:42,700 Once again, how you doing? It's good to see you. 29 00:01:42,700 --> 00:01:44,000 Good to talk to you, what's happening? 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,300 I'm thrilled to be back on. It's been a bit. 31 00:01:47,300 --> 00:01:50,400 Like you said, we were trying to reverse engineer it and it's 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,000 like, it would have been. Yeah, like, 2013, but I I feel 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,400 very desired to hear it because I put it in that way. 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,000 It's like, we never thought we'd have a backlog. 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,800 I'm glad to be back. It's good to have You've missed 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,800 the entire Archie Miller era. It's almost it's like a Rip Van 37 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,100 Winkle situation where it's like someone falls asleep. 38 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,000 You know, after I you in 2013 is number one all season and then 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,200 they wake back up and they're like, hey, you know, what did I 40 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,500 miss? And it's like, well, you missed 41 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:18,000 quite a bit. But, but now, we know in all 42 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,000 seriousness. It's good to have you back. 43 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,400 And, you know, we've had a lot of conversations over the years 44 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,500 about IU basketball and I'm looking forward to starting 45 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:30,000 those up again, as we talked about to start with this, I You 46 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,200 team that just wrapped up this season and some of the things to 47 00:02:33,208 --> 00:02:36,200 think about in terms of what we just witnessed over the course 48 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:43,300 of the last four months or so. I can give you one kind of maybe 49 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:45,600 like a hopeful Harbinger story. I you've not heard this one. 50 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,600 This is from Dustin, is this is an energy exchange between me 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,100 and Dustin Dopey Rack in. Now, back here on the Hoosier 52 00:02:52,100 --> 00:02:55,400 beat, which is great. But this is, when like I use 53 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,700 number one, they're having their big season, and I was kind of in 54 00:02:57,700 --> 00:02:59,500 the middle of like, figuring out, what was going to come next 55 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:01,900 for me. And I figured I was Trio on the, 56 00:03:01,900 --> 00:03:05,300 on the beat, and everything was great covering and I basically 57 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:07,600 figure, it's like, I've really got, I've got to take the 58 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,200 broadcasting thing seriously, and so, like I said, The way 59 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,800 from the Hoosier beat the middle of the season and traveled with 60 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,600 the IE softball team to do broadcasting and Dustin. 61 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,400 I told them I was doing that. He's like, that's insane. 62 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,700 Why would you do this? But this is, you know, this is 63 00:03:24,708 --> 00:03:27,400 like a one set of, you know, generation type thing. 64 00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:31,800 And basically from the moment that I write my last day was 65 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,500 number one versus number two, Indiana, Michigan. 66 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:38,600 At Assembly Hall, beat down the Wolverines and really Galen 67 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,700 things. Don't seem like they've been the 68 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:42,700 same sensor. So maybe I'm hoping that, you 69 00:03:42,708 --> 00:03:44,900 know, being back on the podcast in this way. 70 00:03:44,900 --> 00:03:46,400 We're right back like we never left. 71 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,400 It's going to be coming hot. I think that's the hope. 72 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,700 That's the Hope here. Absolutely as yeah. 73 00:03:52,700 --> 00:03:57,200 It if you stop time that day that I you beat Michigan in Ann 74 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,500 Arbor, you know, you'd be in a very different place than what's 75 00:04:01,500 --> 00:04:03,800 actually transpired over the last eight years. 76 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,200 A lot of more Downs than UPS. I would say in that time period 77 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:11,400 for IU, basketball in particular, but Yeah, it said 78 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,000 it's going to be fascinating to talk through all of this and you 79 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,500 know that the end of the 2013 season, if you stopped time 80 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:22,500 there it would be a very different time than what we have 81 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:25,600 now and to some degree. It kind of feels like I use been 82 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,200 stuck in neutral since that point the Archie Miller era, 83 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,300 definitely felt like a lot of neutral time. 84 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:35,500 Being spent. If not slightly regressing from 85 00:04:35,500 --> 00:04:38,300 what the program had seen prior to that. 86 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,500 We have the first year of the Mike Woodson era. 87 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,900 Yeah, that took place this past year. 88 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:45,800 And yeah, I've been talking about it throughout the course 89 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,400 of the season. I've almost gotten to a point 90 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,000 where I don't trust my own observations, having talked 91 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,700 about it, so specifically. And so, detail-oriented over the 92 00:04:55,700 --> 00:04:58,900 course of the last few months. So I am curious to start things 93 00:04:58,900 --> 00:05:02,000 off with from your perspective. What did you see? 94 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,900 As I guess the sum total of this season? 95 00:05:04,900 --> 00:05:08,300 What stood out to you both good and maybe not so good. 96 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:11,400 Like the coolest. So to me like the Highlight 97 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,300 moment. Maybe this is like a weird like 98 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:16,300 kind of out of school thing. But there's that question which 99 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:18,900 some people thought was strange like after the tournament 100 00:05:18,900 --> 00:05:21,200 victory over Wyoming where it's John. 101 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,200 Rothstein who's like if you could say something to Bob 102 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,000 Knight and there's some people like, why are we still talking 103 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,600 about Bob Knight? But what to me Mike Woodson has 104 00:05:27,608 --> 00:05:32,200 been really neat in terms of how intentional he's been about like 105 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:37,800 saying he wants this to be about Indiana, the Indiana that he got 106 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,100 brought to by bye. Bob Knight back in the day. 107 00:05:40,700 --> 00:05:45,000 And so I kind of seeing that as like an intentional thing and 108 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,700 then him being a guy who wants to be like kind of a mentor 109 00:05:49,700 --> 00:05:51,800 figure for these young men, at least the way that's how he 110 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,800 talks about it. And there's a way that like a 111 00:05:53,808 --> 00:05:57,000 lot of coaches talk about it, but he just exudes a kind of 112 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,900 authenticity about that. And so like, even like the at 113 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:02,500 the end of the state, Mary's game gives Jordan Geronimo an 114 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:04,300 extra pad on the back at the end of the thing. 115 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:08,800 Like, that's that's pretty cool. So like seeing that I mean, Like 116 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,600 handing out participation trophies, but I don't think 117 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,200 that's what that is. I think the guys appreciate that 118 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,700 from a guy who's been an NBA coach. 119 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:18,100 He's coach Carmelo, Anthony. He's been, he's done this and 120 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:20,000 it's like, this is the guy who wants to be back here. 121 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,100 Who cares about us wants to go further us. 122 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:25,000 And I think that has been seen in places like, Tres Jackson, 123 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,800 Davis, you know, I think, in terms of bright spot, get him to 124 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,200 come back. He does. 125 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,500 And then if you look at like, this was a thing, you know, if 126 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:38,900 you look at a lot of his even Advanced numbers between last 127 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:42,200 year and this year, but even his freshman year, you're getting 128 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,500 the getting the ball in places where he can like his effective 129 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:47,000 field goal. Percentage up all the way. 130 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,900 He's not taking the jumpers out, but he's shooting shoots better 131 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:53,600 than he did as a freshman, when his usage was so much lower. 132 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:57,700 You know, he's used really well as a shot blocker. 133 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,500 He was able to do a lot of stuff as motor gets higher. 134 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:04,600 And it seems like, you know, Mike Woodson was happy with the 135 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,200 progression that he made. He thought he was one of the 136 00:07:06,207 --> 00:07:08,400 best guys in the country all year. 137 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,600 Even if it's numbers, didn't always necessarily show that. 138 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,000 And so I think that's something encouraging, where you get your 139 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,600 guy to come back and he has such a season, and he seems to have a 140 00:07:17,608 --> 00:07:19,600 high esteem for the coach, brought him back. 141 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,500 So, that's the kind of thing. So, I don't want to spend so 142 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:25,900 much time on that. But just if you're asking or 143 00:07:25,900 --> 00:07:28,900 some promising things, that's those are a couple of positive 144 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:30,700 things that caught my eye. Now, I think those are good 145 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:32,600 observations. I mean, one of the things about 146 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,700 the Archie Miller era, that was I guess trouble summon and 147 00:07:35,700 --> 00:07:40,100 surprising to me, was it just felt like Like there were a lot 148 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:43,500 of instances where the team just didn't have the level of 149 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:48,000 coherence that it needed in order to push through and win 150 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,900 games in clutch situations down the stretch, particularly in, in 151 00:07:52,900 --> 00:07:56,800 January and February. And they rarely got the chance 152 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,800 to really do much of those things in March. 153 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,200 And I think the thing about this season and Woodson that I find. 154 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,100 So particularly interesting is that this team exhibited, some 155 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:09,700 of those similar characteristics that previous IU teams had where 156 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:11,600 they did struggle. They had that big losing streak 157 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,500 in February, it looked like the season. 158 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:16,300 Had gone off the rails. There was something about the 159 00:08:16,300 --> 00:08:18,600 way that this team was set up though by Woodson and the 160 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,500 coaching staff that brought them back together. 161 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,700 Got them in line just in time for the Big Ten tournament and 162 00:08:23,700 --> 00:08:26,700 that ended up propelling to the NCAA tournament, which is we 163 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:28,700 know, they haven't been to and five years. 164 00:08:28,700 --> 00:08:32,600 So, I do think there's some positives to look at there. 165 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,000 And look, I think not just Trace Jackson Davis, but also, you 166 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,400 know, bring it in Xavier Johnson and the way. 167 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:41,400 That he was able to integrate and kind of find himself, and 168 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:44,700 establish himself as a leader. The way that race Thompson, 169 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:47,700 like, not just continued his play from last year, but really 170 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:50,800 improved it in. A lot of ways there, do seem to 171 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,300 be some real positive aspects. Culturally coming out of this 172 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:56,100 eye. You program that that are a bit 173 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:58,100 of a difference from what we've seen in the past couple of 174 00:08:58,100 --> 00:09:00,500 years. Yeah, it's true. 175 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:03,000 There's one thing. It was so you're just talking 176 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,800 about Trace Jackson Davis. Obviously. 177 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,600 Yeah, Xavier Johnson played really? 178 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,300 Well that last part of the Year, especially or like I think like 179 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:12,600 Woodson was Unapologetic where he was like, it's going to be 180 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,100 hard to play for me. But like by the end of the year, 181 00:09:15,100 --> 00:09:18,500 you're seeing him come out and like Xavier Johnson. 182 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:22,700 Specifically put up 18 points a game regularly and he's at seven 183 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:25,600 assists just in terms of raw numbers counting stats. 184 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,600 Like, that's pretty good. The the Side piece that you 185 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,800 mentioning terms of like losing some games that they could have 186 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,900 one, maybe should have one throughout the season. 187 00:09:37,700 --> 00:09:42,000 There's something in that we're not to get too much on this, but 188 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:44,800 this is kind of a meta point at the start of the year. 189 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,700 I was maybe maybe irrationally high on the team but I think 190 00:09:48,700 --> 00:09:51,900 Mike Woodson was talking about is like I think you'll the goal 191 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:54,900 would be to win the Big Ten in terms of like generally what he 192 00:09:54,908 --> 00:09:57,800 wants to do and I was sitting here like, yeah, these guys 193 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,400 could win the Big Ten in the Of it was kind of some of what we 194 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,200 saw. It's like Purdue was really 195 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,500 good, but they have trouble on defense and they've had a lot of 196 00:10:06,500 --> 00:10:09,100 trouble Garden people. Wisconsin won the big tenants. 197 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:11,900 You're not going against Wisconsin, but a lot of things 198 00:10:11,900 --> 00:10:16,100 that they had go right for them could have gone another way like 199 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:18,500 Indiana. Frankly, does I think the in the 200 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,300 coaches and players and say this, you go Indiana had two 201 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:22,800 games against Wisconsin, they could have one. 202 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,400 I don't know, who'd win the Big Ten, if not for that, but it 203 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,100 wouldn't have been them. Illinois is right there, you 204 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:31,200 know, and so, Are there a lot of things where he like, it may be 205 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,200 added up? It's like, you could have beaten 206 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:35,500 Ohio state that second time. You could have get those two 207 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:38,000 against Wisconsin, maybe things go different. 208 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,100 Iowa City, maybe not, but then there's that Purdue game. 209 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,600 You start, adding it up, the Northwestern thing, everything 210 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,900 that happened there, all that, that Syracuse game. 211 00:10:47,900 --> 00:10:49,200 Where all those crazy things happen. 212 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:50,900 That's it. Don't forget trade Galloway, 213 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:53,000 getting knocked out by that dirty, play at the beginning of 214 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,300 the season. So there's a bunch of stuff. 215 00:10:56,300 --> 00:11:00,500 We're like, frankly, this This is I think good news for IU 216 00:11:00,500 --> 00:11:03,800 fans. Generally, is that I you fans 217 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,900 still for whatever reason, think we should win the Big Ten and I 218 00:11:06,908 --> 00:11:09,500 think that's fair. It's that's the expectation. 219 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:11,300 That's the program. Like what's has not run away 220 00:11:11,300 --> 00:11:13,100 from it. I think there's something maybe 221 00:11:13,100 --> 00:11:17,800 encouraging that this year. A lot of things went bad that 222 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,000 shouldn't have gone that way, but if that team was able to I 223 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,400 think that's something that the players can look at and say, if 224 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,800 we had found a way to stick in there in the right times and 225 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,400 places we could have actually We won the Big Ten in the regular 226 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,700 season. We were good enough to do that. 227 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:34,600 It's not something for regret. It's something for the young 228 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,200 guys to come back and say we were right there. 229 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,100 We didn't kind of know what it looks like to be there. 230 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,400 We know there's some things to clean up but I think that to me 231 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,200 would be very promising. I think it's an interesting 232 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,500 point and you know, though it is interesting because you look at 233 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:53,000 the breadth of the Big Ten season for IU and most of the 234 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,900 games that they won. They won pretty decisively the 235 00:11:56,900 --> 00:11:58,700 one exception I guess would be the Purdue game. 236 00:11:58,900 --> 00:12:01,200 At home, which was certainly a close one. 237 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,800 But you know, you guys are the rest of those games that they 238 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,500 won. And, you know, they want, I 239 00:12:05,508 --> 00:12:09,700 think every other game by at least five points and and it was 240 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:12,100 a series of games that to some degree. 241 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:16,400 Felt like I you kind of could have won but just they didn't 242 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,400 have the intangible elements or in some cases the tangible 243 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,500 elements of shot-making or playing consistently, good 244 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:25,900 defense. That kept them from that and I 245 00:12:25,908 --> 00:12:27,700 do agree with you. I think there are some building 246 00:12:27,700 --> 00:12:30,600 blocks to go off of. Of their, I guess the question 247 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,200 ends up being our the building. Like is it? 248 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,300 Okay, I you is closed and I just got to fix a few things or are 249 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:42,200 there hard caps and deficiencies with the way that the roster was 250 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:43,600 constructed. One of the things we talked 251 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,900 about a lot on the podcast this year was just how mismatched a 252 00:12:46,908 --> 00:12:51,000 lot of the pieces seem to be particularly in moments where 253 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,900 you needed a shot to get hit or you needed a, you know, a good 254 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:58,600 defensive play to happen at a particular Moment In Time. 255 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,700 And certainly I think more, you know, you can only think of a 256 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:05,900 season where you're 21 and 14 and half of those plays got made 257 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:07,800 that you at least got to the NCAA tournament. 258 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,700 So there is that but it will be interesting as roster. 259 00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:16,400 Turnover happens, whether this core ends up being able to 260 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,200 assimilate those new pieces and then also change the way that 261 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,200 they've been doing business so that they're able to elevate 262 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,700 their game even further than they were able to this year. 263 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:30,700 Yeah, in this is where so site. I've traditionally Galen in our 264 00:13:30,700 --> 00:13:32,600 relationship. I've been more like on the 265 00:13:32,900 --> 00:13:35,500 optimistic side, you might remember the text exchange, we 266 00:13:35,500 --> 00:13:39,600 had where I tried to make the argument that Tom crean really 267 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,000 was setting up for like a Jim Calhoun style of like run at 268 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Indiana. Obviously that did not happen. 269 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,000 So I I still remember our end-of-season podcast from 2011 270 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,200 where you argued quite convincingly in retrospect. 271 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,400 I think that IU was just unlucky that year as opposed to bad. 272 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,700 And I was not nearly as convinced you were certainly. 273 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,100 Right on that front. But yeah, I think of the overall 274 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:05,000 scheme of things, decree narrative necessarily turn out 275 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,700 the way that we hope but your are you arguing I guess at this 276 00:14:07,700 --> 00:14:10,900 point the perhaps you're not as optimistic as you would be 277 00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:14,800 otherwise realize how I put that out was more that was more 278 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,700 ambiguous. But this is this is just to say 279 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:20,900 that I've kind of nuanced and I think maybe come over I can now 280 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:22,400 come across in a way that's less. 281 00:14:22,900 --> 00:14:27,000 Unambiguously optimistic. There are things that you over 282 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,100 the course of the year, I think. Have gone differently than I'm. 283 00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:31,900 I don't know why they didn't go differently. 284 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:34,100 One thing that I had to kind of circled at the beginning of the 285 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:36,900 year was it'll be really interesting to see how it 286 00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:39,500 tomorrow Bates does, from the beginning of the year, to the 287 00:14:39,500 --> 00:14:41,700 end of the year. And I didn't know kind of what 288 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:43,400 the plan was going to be there. Now. 289 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,800 There are three, you know, he was going to be kind of in that 290 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:51,000 group of guys. Like, if it's a side thing, 291 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:54,800 there are a lot of thoughts here, but besides Parker, Stuart 292 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,600 Miller cop and Xavier Johnson, I think everybody hit. 293 00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:02,500 Like worse than 30 percent from three, who took a like a pretty 294 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:04,900 good volume of them into our baits is one of the guys 295 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:07,000 shooting threes and I thought at the end of the year, maybe he'll 296 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,400 be somebody. You can count on to get the ball 297 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,600 to outside. Who can score from the 298 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,200 three-point line, who can score kind of in that. 299 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,200 Mid-range you can go to the basket and we didn't see that 300 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,400 and I'm not sure if that's whether it because a lot of the 301 00:15:20,408 --> 00:15:22,900 time coach woods and wanted to say we're going to play the, 302 00:15:22,900 --> 00:15:25,200 we're going to play the senior guys in a lot of ways that made 303 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,900 sense because they were the guys who are hitting the shots and 304 00:15:27,900 --> 00:15:30,200 especially at the end. Of the year, you know, you have 305 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,000 to maybe hope that the older guys are going to be more ready 306 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,200 than the Freshman but I for whatever reason we just didn't 307 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,300 see him go to where I was hoping that he'd go like it. 308 00:15:40,300 --> 00:15:42,900 We even saw it like that. The the second Big Ten 309 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:46,000 Championship that Tom crean one at the end of the year. 310 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,000 You're seeing like Joann Morgan, canning threes and OG and Adobe 311 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,300 doing stuff and I was hoping that we'd see that and maybe we 312 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:56,900 saw some glimpses of it late, but I just I don't I didn't see 313 00:15:56,900 --> 00:15:58,300 as much of it as I thought we would. 314 00:15:58,300 --> 00:16:00,800 And so I think there's a big kind of question. 315 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,800 It's like is tomorrow Bates going to come back and how good 316 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,000 is he going to be next year? I think that's a good question 317 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,300 and that will be a big kind of I think indicator for how next 318 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:12,700 year ago still be one of those guys who has a lot to say about 319 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:14,500 that. There's a few players like that. 320 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:17,200 I think the Bates is a good example and it's hard to tell. 321 00:16:18,100 --> 00:16:21,300 I feed a to some degree and I've talked about this with IU 322 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:26,200 basketball a lot. It's been such Patchwork roster 323 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,400 wise every year really since the the last time we talk regularly 324 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:35,000 about this that people to some degree have gotten impatient 325 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:40,300 with players developing and for every race Thompson who started 326 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:42,800 off very slow and then has developed into a really big 327 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,500 contributor. You've had a player like say a 328 00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:48,600 Stanford Robinson who was there for a couple of years. 329 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,500 Never really got into the swing of things ended up transferring 330 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:53,800 and then it's like well, we're starting this whole process over 331 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:59,500 again, you know, it did feel like Tamar Bates in Tournaments. 332 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:02,800 This year was starting to get a little bit better. 333 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,800 Feel. He actually ended up shooting at 334 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,400 29.8% from three for the season. So he's right at that kind of 335 00:17:09,408 --> 00:17:13,000 Mendoza Line that you mentioned. He wasn't very good on offense 336 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,099 this year. He, you know, but he also I 337 00:17:17,099 --> 00:17:20,800 think was starting to get it a little bit at the very end of 338 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,200 the year. And that that is a cause for 339 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,300 some optimism because I think, you know, that's the type of 340 00:17:25,300 --> 00:17:28,099 player who's got both the inherent talent and the athletic 341 00:17:28,099 --> 00:17:31,300 skill. That IU is going to need to 342 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:34,000 compete with these teams that we are seeing do well in March 343 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,200 Madness, you know, you look at the the Iowa State's and the 344 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,700 Miami's and the North Carolina's and they know these are not 345 00:17:40,700 --> 00:17:44,100 teams that are winning their conference championships, but 346 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:47,100 they have this mix of athleticism and defense and a 347 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:49,600 little bit of shot-making, that's allowed them to have 348 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,100 success. And that might be what Indiana 349 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:55,300 has to do until they get their talent level ratcheted up to the 350 00:17:55,300 --> 00:17:58,000 degree where they can compete consistently with the Michigan 351 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,900 State's. Or the Wisconsin's or the teams 352 00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:02,500 at that level and other conferences. 353 00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:07,300 Yeah, I mean this is where and so I think I am. 354 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:12,800 I'm bullish on the style of play and I'm optimistic about how 355 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,400 they're going to be able to fit everything together. 356 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,900 I don't think it's too early to say what happens next year. 357 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,900 In terms of just like as a selfish way, is a basketball 358 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:24,200 fan. I was really thrilled to see how 359 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,200 Xavier Johnson and Trace Jackson Davis played together at the end 360 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,200 of the year. And I there's a piece of me that 361 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,800 hopes like I don't know what the funny thing is. 362 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,900 I don't know in terms of how bent Trace Jackson, Davis is 363 00:18:36,900 --> 00:18:40,400 ongoing professional. It would be a lot of fun to see 364 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,000 him. Come back and score two thousand 365 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,700 points past Mike Woodson up, you can get the get the 366 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:46,900 trash-talking if the season goes, well next year. 367 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,300 He could pass him on the scoring list, but also like the fact 368 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:53,400 that he and Xavier Johnson playing together the way they 369 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,600 did. And, you know, whether maybe 370 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,200 raise Thompson stays maybe he goes somewhere, maybe Jordan 371 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,000 Geronimo. UPS in with that for place, 372 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,600 that's to me, that's really interesting because if you see 373 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,300 that happen, I think that this was all started by saying it's 374 00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:11,000 like, oh can they compete with people at the top of the 375 00:19:11,008 --> 00:19:13,000 conference? Like they did this year? 376 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,900 And I mean, frankly, I think there are cases that, you know, 377 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:18,000 they do a couple things different and like, if they you 378 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,400 have this team, you have everybody go back and play again 379 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,900 with this roster. I think, you know, you play 380 00:19:23,900 --> 00:19:25,500 another season. I think they could win the Big 381 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:28,000 Ten with this group with the other groups, come back and the 382 00:19:28,008 --> 00:19:29,800 Big Ten is going to A little thin next year. 383 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,300 Yeah, in terms of like, we're not the Indiana's up, the only 384 00:19:32,300 --> 00:19:33,600 group that's losing a lot of people. 385 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,200 It's pretty thin in terms of people outside Purdue. 386 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,000 And so I think there's something to me, maybe if you lose, you 387 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,200 know, if you lose. Trace Jackson, Davis. 388 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:44,800 It. That's a lot of shots. 389 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,100 It's a lot of like am. He's a really good player both 390 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:50,800 on offense and defense. I don't know how you replace 391 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,700 that. But at the same time they're 392 00:19:53,700 --> 00:19:55,800 going to guard the crap out of the ball. 393 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,600 They're going to stop you from putting that, you know, 394 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,300 everybody who's coming. Is pretty good on defense, he's 395 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:02,800 going to play right? And they were one of the best 396 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,900 defenses in the country this year and I think they're only 397 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:08,800 going to get better with more time with Woodson and then five 398 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,000 and the staff. It's really interesting. 399 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,900 I mean, I've said all season, how pleased? 400 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:19,300 I am that Indiana has managed to build an identity around 401 00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:22,800 defense. Now, the defense did, I mean, 402 00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:26,700 the end of season Fall Off from a statistical perspective, the 403 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:28,500 Iowa game in the st. Mary's game, really? 404 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:33,000 Kind of took them out of the top 20 and Ken Palm defense, but 405 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,800 still they were a top 20, Ken Palm defense. 406 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,500 They were one of the best defenses in the country. 407 00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:41,600 I do have some questions about the offense and and I do wonder 408 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,100 you know as much as we talk this year coming in about hey, if 409 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,700 Indiana could just improve by 10 or 15 spots on offense and get 410 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:52,500 the same level of defensive contribution, there going to be 411 00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:55,600 a team that like you said could challenge for a Big Ten title or 412 00:20:55,608 --> 00:20:57,900 at least a double by in the Big Ten Tournament. 413 00:20:58,100 --> 00:20:59,500 They almost went Opposite direction. 414 00:20:59,500 --> 00:21:02,700 The shooting wasn't quite there. They never really looked that 415 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:05,700 settled on offense. So many things to you know, 416 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,700 travel directly through Trace Jackson Davis and when that 417 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:11,400 didn't work, when team started doubling or tripling him in the 418 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,700 post, Indiana really struggled to find Alternatives and tell 419 00:21:14,700 --> 00:21:17,400 Xavier Johnson started, just driving to the bucket every 420 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,500 single time, but I don't know how sustainable that is, as your 421 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:25,200 B option on offense, if you're a option isn't working. 422 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,200 So I do believe that there's a good Good chance. 423 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,700 This Indiana team is going to be able to put together a lot more 424 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:34,400 wrinkles on offense and diversify a bit more. 425 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:37,000 I wonder if that's going to be possible with Trace Jackson 426 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,300 Davis coming back. If he does come back and like 427 00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:41,800 you said, it's we're still kind of up in the air to see what 428 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,600 happens with that. Unless Trace, Jackson Davis, 429 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,500 diversifies his own offensive game. 430 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:49,300 And I guess maybe that's the one thing I was the most 431 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:53,600 disappointed about in that it felt like the rhetoric coming in 432 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,400 from the offseason last year. Was it Trace was going to be 433 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,100 shooting a lot more mid-range. Shots. 434 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:01,000 He was going to be stepping out a bit more, trying to stretch 435 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,100 the defense and really the whole season was basically just him 436 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:06,500 sitting in the paint putting up shots. 437 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,400 I am curious to see if that game part of his game can be worked 438 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,200 on if he does come back and if not what the offense turns into, 439 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,300 if he doesn't, if he's not out there. 440 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,400 I'm curious on this. I'll take this, I'll toss it 441 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,700 right back to you. The thing that I heard Mike 442 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:23,600 Woodson say, in one of the conference's at the end of the 443 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,600 year was he's like we wanted to. I like, I like how he's, I like 444 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,500 how he talks. He's a guy. 445 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,500 He's from, he's what to school at Broad Ripple, which is not 446 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:34,700 too far from where I grew up. So I Love Brought Broad River, 447 00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:36,900 High School's not open anymore. But Mike Woodson went there. 448 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,200 And so so representing, it's great. 449 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,300 But he's talking at the end of the years. 450 00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:43,100 Like I wanted Xavier Johnson to be doing this all year, but he 451 00:22:43,108 --> 00:22:45,400 just wasn't there yet, but he's come a long. 452 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,300 And, so, in terms of what the point guard positions capable of 453 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:51,900 doing where they're running a lot more pick-and-roll, and 454 00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:54,300 they're putting him in space more, both him entries Jackson, 455 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:57,300 Davis, that to me, it looked like it changed the way, they 456 00:22:57,300 --> 00:23:00,100 were running the offense and A lot of that looks different from 457 00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:01,200 the stuff. We saw a year. 458 00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:04,100 And so, you know, not not putting blame on anybody. 459 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:06,000 It's like Xavier Johnson's. Trying to learn how to play 460 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,100 point guard for Mike. Woodson. 461 00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:08,800 Mike Woodson. Keep saying I'm not the easiest 462 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,600 guy to do that for but when you get it you get it and it starts 463 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,400 to look good. And then yeah, so that's the one 464 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,100 thing that if it is the case where he's going to be back to 465 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:20,100 the basket, A lot of the time, like he was, I don't think 466 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:22,500 you're going to see so much, but the offense that I saw at the 467 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:25,600 end of the year for the most part, look different. 468 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,100 There's one other thing that I think is relevant here. 469 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:32,000 I wonder if so, like we'll see what happens with Parker Stewart 470 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,500 and Miller cop. Parker Stewart went through it. 471 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:35,600 Right? The senior night stuff. 472 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,400 Correct? I don't know a cop did but I 473 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,800 think I think that everybody involved would have hoped that 474 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,900 Miller cops year had looked better than it did different 475 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:49,800 than it did because he played hard he did what they wanted 476 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,900 them to do on the floor. He was more of an authentic 477 00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:53,700 threat. This was one thing, like people 478 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:56,300 were like, why don't we see more of this, or that, or the other 479 00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:58,200 person? It's like, we literally just 480 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,700 like that. We just said there were three 481 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:04,200 guys who thought the shot better than thirty percent on the year, 482 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:06,900 and you need to space the floor. And so it made sense to me why 483 00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:09,600 Miller copies out there, but I don't think he shot as well as 484 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,100 he wanted to, and especially not inside the three-point. 485 00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:14,300 He didn't do anything else besides the three inside the 486 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:16,400 three-point line. And so, I think that's something 487 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,200 where, like, if he is coming back, that's something where he 488 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,200 can work on a lot of that. And you'd have to see him look 489 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,200 more. Like he did his second to last 490 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,400 year at Northwestern where he shot probably closer to 40%. 491 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,000 And from both 3M to. If you do that, if Miller cop 492 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,400 this year, I think average is like nine, nine or ten points a 493 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,100 game shoots you hits, you know five more of those threes. 494 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,600 I think you're looking at some of the different discussion 495 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,500 better from three and a lot better from to. 496 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:47,400 I think that's that sort of stuff. 497 00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:49,600 At least. They do you think that would, 498 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,500 would that fit the bill more, pick-and-roll? 499 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,100 More dependable, three-point threat, and you have a little 500 00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:58,500 more flexibility in a guy like say, after Animo. 501 00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:01,100 I was back in race Thompson does not, I don't know what that 502 00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:02,400 looks like. I it's possible. 503 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,800 I mean, look losing Trace, Jackson Davis offensively. 504 00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:11,200 That's a lot of points that's off the table, but it doesn't 505 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,400 mean. It doesn't mean you're not 506 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,500 going, it's not going to be, does me not going to score. 507 00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:18,700 It just means that you have to find other ways to score and I 508 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:21,800 am curious. There's two scenarios there. 509 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,000 If Trace Jackson Davis does come back, or if race Thompson comes 510 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,900 back and fills the trace Jackson Davis role as a Artur, you still 511 00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:34,800 need perimeter shooters that can pull the defense off of the 512 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,200 post. And I think with Jordan Geronimo 513 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,200 showed a pretty Deft Touch from outside in the tail portion of 514 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,800 this season, which surprised me, I mean, Jordan Geronimo finished 515 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,400 31 percent from three, only shot at 29 times, but you know, you 516 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,400 figure over the course of the last five games that Indiana 517 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,400 played, he was responsible for three 3-pointers. 518 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,300 All of which were really critical in those individual 519 00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:06,700 games and you don't want a guy like that or a guy like race 520 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:08,800 Thompson necessarily having to live out there because they're 521 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,300 going to be a lot more effective from about 10 feet in. 522 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,300 That's where you have to have people that can shoot and open 523 00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:16,600 up the floor. And so, regardless of who's in 524 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,300 the post, I think for a IU to run a modern offense, which I 525 00:26:20,308 --> 00:26:22,000 think Mike Woodson ultimately wants to run. 526 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,700 He coached in the NBA, he's used to dealing with higher level 527 00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:27,100 athletes who can make decisions on the court and more 528 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:29,200 importantly, hit the shots that they They have when they're 529 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,000 open, there's got to be more efficient. 530 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:35,200 Efficient and effective scoring from distance. 531 00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:38,700 It can't all just be the point guard, you know trying to get 532 00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:41,500 into into two man games with whoever's playing in the post at 533 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:44,300 the time and I don't know what the answer is on that. 534 00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:46,200 I mean, it'll be interesting with some of the recruits 535 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,300 Indiana's got coming in and certainly they can go back to 536 00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:51,300 the transfer portal again, but that has to be a priority 537 00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:56,500 because overall, on the season, this Indiana team finished up 538 00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,200 shooting. Thirty-three point three percent 539 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,200 from three which granted that was a big improvement over what 540 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,500 they've shot from three, the last five years. 541 00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:12,100 I mean, you have to go back to 2017 to find a season where they 542 00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:15,600 were above 32 percent from three, but it still wasn't 543 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,900 particularly good. And I think you also have to 544 00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:22,600 look at the free throw shooting percentages as well for a team. 545 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,400 That was so focused on post play to only shoot, you know, what 546 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,200 were they? Sent on the year that was 235th 547 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,700 in the country, you know, so to me those things, really go 548 00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:35,800 hand-in-hand. You either have to shoot better 549 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,300 from outside or you got to hit your free throws and ideally 550 00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,500 you're doing both. So what Indiana? 551 00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:43,400 What Mike Woodson decide to do to try to address. 552 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,700 That is going to be interesting because I just don't know at 553 00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:49,500 this point. If they've got the Personnel on 554 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:52,800 the roster who will be able to improve their shooting to the 555 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,200 degree that they would need to to have the kind of outcomes 556 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,500 that were hoping to see. Offensive end. 557 00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:03,800 Yeah, that's hard to say and the neat thing, the thing that I've 558 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,900 come to love more and more about college basketball. 559 00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:09,700 The longer I've been out of school is it is a neat thing and 560 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,500 this is on board with what coach would someone say when he came 561 00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:16,000 in and said, I want to help these young men become the guys 562 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,000 who were trying to set him up, to be to a tournament to men. 563 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,300 And there's something neat about that. 564 00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:26,200 Where I think like the the most edifying example, I can think of 565 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,300 is the transformation that so my college classmate, who Victor 566 00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:33,100 Oladipo, what did he do? Is freshman year. 567 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,600 What are you do? Is sophomore year. 568 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,000 What did he do? His junior year, his junior year 569 00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:41,000 Galen, he came back and he was hitting, Mike, 45 percent free. 570 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,500 Yeah. It's over. 571 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,700 Victor Oladipo is crossing over and dunking on you and then he's 572 00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:48,400 hitting four out of every ten. Threes. 573 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,000 He shoots then, that's really good. 574 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,900 I mean, I think you're under, I think you're underselling this 575 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:56,800 Victor, Oladipo. His freshman year was 84 26.3, 576 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,500 which was 30.8% his sophomore year. 577 00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:03,200 He was 10 for 14. E8, which was 20.8%, and then 578 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,800 his last year at IU. He was 3468 44 percent and that 579 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,000 was on top of shooting, 64% from to. 580 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:17,500 So now, Victor Oladipo also is a singular talent, but that was a 581 00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,300 lot of hard work. That was a lot of practice and 582 00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:21,000 that was a lot of unlocking of skill sets. 583 00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:23,400 So I certainly understand where you're coming from with that. 584 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,800 Yes, ultra, try to disambiguate my point which is to say that 585 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,400 singularly talented. He was not a singular. 586 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,400 Really talented. Three-point shooter. 587 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,300 And that like literally like 10 games in, he's still taking and 588 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:38,900 draining these threes. I'm like if he's going to be 589 00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:41,100 shooting these, we're going to be really good. 590 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,300 So like all these guys and that's where it's like the young 591 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:47,600 guys who are on this team. And that's where like, Trey 592 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,700 Galloway and Anthony Lee. Looks like they haven't shot as 593 00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:52,600 well, as they thought they would maybe is, people maybe thought 594 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,500 they would? It's like Victor Oladipo came 595 00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:55,600 back. I don't know. 596 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,000 I don't know how they did that. I'm not. 597 00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:59,900 So you maybe talk to Tony and Ron and figure out how do we get 598 00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:01,800 in? Anthony Leo and Trey Galloway 599 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,000 the shots to get them at 45% from three, but I'll tell you 600 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,600 what Yogi, if they shoot you if they make the kind of 601 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,300 improvement percentage-wise the Victor Oladipo made from his 602 00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:12,800 sophomore, junior year just in terms of shooting the three, 603 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,600 which he was not particularly good at it. 604 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,100 First. We're going to be in really good 605 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:20,400 shape and that's something we're college guys who want to play 606 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,600 really good basketball, which I know they all want to do. 607 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,300 That's a good place to look and figure out how to do that. 608 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,600 I think instead of asking Tony add Rania myself. 609 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,500 I think the plan is To have you and him on the same podcast next 610 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:35,700 time. So yeah, Tony. 611 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:37,700 And I, we still send each other Christmas cards. 612 00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:39,400 That's a fun thing. There we go. 613 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:41,300 I'm going to, I'm going to make this happen. 614 00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:43,200 That'll be our next, Our Deck stacked. 615 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,200 Look. I will say this. 616 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:46,400 I think a lot of the points you're making here. 617 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,200 We're good. I think there is a lot of room 618 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,500 for optimism for this iut, moving forward. 619 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,800 And particularly. If you are of the opinion that 620 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,200 this season was a net success, which it feels like most people 621 00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:00,300 are of that opinion. I know. 622 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,700 I I certainly am, you know, certainly there's things you can 623 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:04,200 look at and say could have gone better here. 624 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,700 Could have gone better there but overall 21 and 14. 625 00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:11,500 Making the NCAA tournament from where this program has been is a 626 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:15,100 pretty good accomplishment. So we will just have to see how 627 00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:16,700 things go. And I think the big question 628 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:19,600 right now and this is something I think we'll save for the next 629 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,900 podcast is just what exactly happens with this roster. 630 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,400 Because as you mentioned, we're not sure about Trace Jackson, 631 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,800 Davis, we're not really sure about race Thompson. 632 00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:30,300 There's there seems to be transfers every year. 633 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,500 That we don't expect and then you've also got the potential of 634 00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:38,200 new players coming in that are transferring from other schools. 635 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,400 Including as we saw today, the notification that Jalen Hurd 636 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,100 chiffino's teammate at Mount Verde Academy has decommitted 637 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:49,000 from Florida, which means he's going to land somewhere. 638 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,500 So, there's a lot of different possibilities. 639 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,900 We'll keep an eye on that as we go along, but we will evaluate 640 00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:58,500 these things as we move forward. And I think we'll continue to 641 00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:01,800 talk about them because this is what Essentially March and April 642 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,200 and early may have become with college basketball. 643 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,000 It's almost like a roulette wheel is spinning and we got to 644 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,600 analyze what spot the ball is going to fall on at this stage 645 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,100 because we just don't have a lot of ideas at this point. 646 00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,100 We're not going to know until we actually see the tweets. 647 00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:20,300 See the announcements about who's going to be her and who's 648 00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:23,000 not that's the fun thing. We're not going to really. 649 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,300 So in terms of like being able to step away used to be like you 650 00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:30,600 could jump right in and like start analyzing it and I've 651 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,100 yourself crazy for like 2 months. 652 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:35,300 It's like good news for, at least, folks, like, kind of, in 653 00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:37,800 my position. It's like, yeah, I really enjoy 654 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,600 following the season but you really it's like Easter's 655 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,200 coming. I have to spend more time on 656 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,000 that. And, you know, I don't really 657 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,300 have to worry about missing very much because some of its just 658 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,200 figuring out who's gonna, who's still going to be here. 659 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,600 How are they going to make those decisions? 660 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,600 So, I'm really looking forward to guys. 661 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,700 Got, you get the College semester finished figure out 662 00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:00,300 what guys want to do and then come summer, sir. 663 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,400 Only will have much more of a concrete idea of what's coming, 664 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,600 next. We will continue the 665 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,400 conversations and it is an honor and a pleasure to have you back 666 00:33:09,408 --> 00:33:11,200 on the podcast. We're looking forward to 667 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,700 chatting with you about this stuff as we move forward, honor 668 00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:16,700 and a pleasure to be back. You know, thanks for having me 669 00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:19,100 Father, James Pierce joining us here on Crimson cast. 670 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:21,300 Thanks to all you folks for listening in. 671 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,500 We will be back with more podcasting in the near future. 672 00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:27,700 So be sure to keep it tuned in. Subscribe, iTunes, Spotify, 673 00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:29,600 whatever. Follow us on Twitter? 674 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,000 Would love to Have you in the fold for Father, James Pierce? 675 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,800 I'm Gail and klaviyo. Thanks for joining us. 676 00:33:34,808 --> 00:33:36,200 Folks will catch you on the flip side. 677 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,000 Bring back the Bison. So long, everybody.