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And good afternoon folks and 
welcome to another emergency 

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podcast on the back home 
network. 

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Galen Clavio, Scott Caulfield 
and Tony Adronia joining you 

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here on a combined episode of 
Film Room and Crimson Cast. 

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We got assembly call, people may
be joining us later, but we had 

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a bunch to talk about and we're 
like, what better time to do it 

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then in the middle of a little 
five week as Indiana signs 2 new

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players to the men's basketball 
roster within the last 24 hours.

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And it's been 3 new players 
actually since the last time we 

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did an emergency podcast. 
Scott, Tony, it's great to see 

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you both. 
Scott, let me start with you. 

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Great to see you in the middle 
of a Friday, obviously. 

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And you were worried a couple of
weeks ago that this roster 

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wasn't going to have enough 
people on it, are you? 

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Are you feeling better now? 
I guess would be my question. 

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I was never worried. 
I just, I made a joke that we 

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had like you were terrified. 
What are you talking about? 

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Throwing things on me. 
No, no, I was. 

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I was not terrified. 
I just made the comment like 

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after a couple years of inept, 
you know, roster building, 

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having no one on the, you know, 
and are people getting their 

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work done. 
What I think is funny is I, I 

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think this all comes down to 
you, Galen, because what we need

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is you being more busy because 
we texted earlier in the week 

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like, hey, should we do 
something like, no, I'm busy. 

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I'm like, oh, it makes sense. 
And then like, Nope, we got to 

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do 3 emergency pots. 
Like, so we need more on your 

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plate. 
We just need to give you more 

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things to do in your calendar 
and maybe we'll be signing more 

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people or even better people. 
More on my calendar is really a 

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frightening proposition. 
I got to say that let's let's 

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avoid that if at all possible. 
Tony you're drawing you back and

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joining us once again Tony 
business appears to be pretty 

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good for Indiana basketball 
right now. 

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It's it's heartening and, and 
certainly we're going to get 

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into each of these individual 
players here in a little bit. 

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But you know, we talked a while 
back about the way that Darren 

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Devries and his staff, whoever 
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trying to go about this. 
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relationship business, it seems 
like Darren Devries has a type. 

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And man, he's finding his type 
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least from the statistics. 
He's hot. 

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He's on a roll. 
Yeah, he's he certainly has a 

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type. 
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to see that Indiana certainly, 
you know, we'll, we'll get into 

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the types that we were talking 
about, But you know, Indiana is 

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building a roster right now that
looks like it's ready to play 

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some modern basketball. 
And, and it's funny, you know, 

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the, the kind of gripes I've 
heard is like, where are the big

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men? 
Like, you know, it's like you 

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have to. 
We're an abusive relationship 

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that we're trying to get out of.
It's like we got to free 

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ourselves of the big man thing. 
Like it's fine. 

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We don't not we don't have to 
have a 7 footer. 

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It's OK. 
Or four of them, certainly, I 

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think. 
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Next year at games, I'm just 
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yell, throw it in the post, get 
in the post. 

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We need more post play just. 
It, it's crazy. 

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I mean, like, it really is like 
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conditioned to watch a style of 
basketball that like at this 

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point, folks are wondering like,
you know, how how are they going

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to compete without, you know, 
these 7 footers? 

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And it's like, I think they'll 
be just fine. 

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Yeah, facts, Scott, facts. 
But yeah, it's, it's an exciting

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time, you know, getting 2 
commitments back-to-back, one 

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seemingly kind of coming out of 
nowhere and Sam Alexis, you 

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know, didn't, didn't visit and 
and just kind of pops all the 

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sudden. 
I think Joe Tipton had the the 

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tip, no pun intended, but yeah. 
So it's, it's, it's been good 

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and you know, whenever there's 
good things happening, we have 

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these emergency podcasts. 
I get to talk to you guys. 

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So that's the the cherry on top.
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you to be head coach. 
I think, let I think what we 

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Tony, we've been talking about 
GMs. I'm just like, let's, let's

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make Tony the GM. 
I've I would be totally fine 

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with that move. 
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individual players and and 
Scott, maybe when we start with 

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you on this, but I want to hear 
from both of you. 

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What I am fat and you kind of 
mentioned this with the the the 

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the most recent addition, Tony. 
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these recruitments have been. 
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only finding out that a guy 
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happening or maybe we find out 
afterwards. 

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And Scott, this has been perhaps
the leakiest basketball program 

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in terms of news and stuff going
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It feels like for the longest 
time, it is jarring in some ways

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how unleaky things have been 
with this program since Darren 

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Debris got the town. 
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of people like we're so used to 
having information that we 

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shouldn't have about IU 
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I'm I love it like I love. 
It's almost like I'm getting 

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bought presents that I have know
nothing about. 

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And and then they suddenly like,
like, Hey, you've got a new 

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player. 
Whether or not these end up 

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being the right pieces per SE, 
it's refreshing that we don't 

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know everything that's going on 
with IU basketball. 

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Well, and I think that's where 
like the text you keep joking 

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about. 
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feel that, you know, after so 
many years of, of just leaks and

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hearing tons of rumors to, to 
hear nothing for the first 

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couple of weeks of the portal 
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It's like, well, this isn't good
because I'm used to hearing a 

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lot of stuff and there's all 
this fire and like, so there's 

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no fire, there's no smoke, but 
but you know, you, you have 

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faith and it is all getting put 
together. 

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So no, it's, it's nice. 
And I, I keep joking. 

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It feels like my coaching staff 
is now working. 

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When I go to bed at night, 
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things. 
Things are being done. 

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I don't need to see it or hear 
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And then things just come. 
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of the things Tony said. 
He's got a type like he really 

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does. 
It is. 

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And what's really cool is it's a
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And whether it works or not, 
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that kind of 6367, you know, 
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it's kind of cool because we 
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Final four in a lot of teams. 
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coach has a type that does seem 
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working as well. 
More three than D. 

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Yeah, Yeah, it's very true. 
It is. 

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It is like 3 and the hit on the 
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more than three and another 
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some D later on. 
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thoughts about the the new 
almost wall that's around the IU

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basketball program and how 
different it looks from what 

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we've seen in the past? 
I'm with you. 

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I really like it and I honestly,
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from like the new landscape, 
like the more it leaks of guys 

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visiting and you're in talks 
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Other schools can then get that 
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Illinois, all that, all that 
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But no, it's great. 
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mid February and I was already 
hearing Miles Rice and Cane and 

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Carlisle. 
We're coming to Indiana. 

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You know, there's there's been 
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And and like you said, I think 
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leaked that Nick Dorn was on 
campus because somebody just 

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happened to see him in Devries 
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You know, they're like Devries 
is out with like some really big

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dudes in a golf cart. 
Like anybody got any word on 

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this? 
So like, I love it. 

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You know, I think that, you 
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G's move in silence, like 
Adronia is the saying, right? 

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That's. 
Fine, my new name is Alan 

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Clavio. 
Can I just, I want to one other 

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piece of this too. 
The last two years, so much of 

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the noise has been around the 
money, you know, oh, like we're,

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you know, it's $2,000,000 for 
this guy or, you know, Indiana's

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got that. 
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be around money. 
I'm sure a lot of these guys, 

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all of them are getting some 
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But I think it's really 
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seeing these signings. 
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I'm not hearing all of the 
rumors about, oh, it's this 

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dollar amount, that dollar 
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It it does seem to again, be 
more about, you know, these are 

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the guys that Devries wants to 
get on his team and these are 

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the right players, less about 
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Just geez, throwing money around
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It's it's, I find that very 
refreshing where it doesn't feel

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like we're just going on a 
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Spending money and it's all 
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be more about the players again,
knowing that there is nil behind

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it right. 
So let's talk about these 

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players. 
Let's dive in so three players 

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since we last talked to you all 
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the first one that we'll I think
well, who do you want to start 

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with Tony? 
Give me a we've got three we've 

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got Doran, we've got Alexis, 
we've got Drake I think well, 

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let's save Alexis for last. 
We want to start with Doran. 

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Sure, let's do it. 
So give us give us the breakdown

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on Nick Doran. 
Nick Doran, transfer guard from 

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Elon, 6 feet, 7 inches tall, two
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Give us the breakdown on his 
game as far as you've seen it in

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the film. 
I'm going to show some B roll 

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underneath you while you're 
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Sure. 
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of these guys I want to caveat 
it with like some statistics are

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almost worth throwing out the 
window with guys that are coming

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from, let's say an Elon where 
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they're the best player and the 
best talent on their team, which

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really isn't how they're going 
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So with Dorn, I think he's more 
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be that three and D guy that 
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He shot over almost 200 threes 
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What I really liked about him is
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thrive at Indiana is is as a 
secondary playmaker and really 

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getting open catch and shoot 
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know, you're going to have 
Conner way and you're going to 

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have Wilkerson that are that are
going to have the ball in their 

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hands a lot going to create 
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You're going to have Tucker 
Devries who a lot of the offense

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is going to be run through. 
So when you have guys like that,

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other guys are going to be open 
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driving lanes, whatever the case
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So with Doran, as you can see 
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and shoot, unguarded threes, I 
believe is a effective field 

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goal percentage last season was 
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And so when Darren Devries is 
building this roster, I think 

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he's looking at very specific 
things of, OK, here's how I'm 

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going to utilize this guy. 
What are his numbers looking 

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like in that regard? 
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to knock down threes at a high 
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he's not forcing a shot off the 
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and more so just getting a catch
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Look, it's it's awesome. 
You know, he he he put up great 

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numbers in that regard. 
He also rebounds the ball well. 

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I think 4, 4 rebounds per game. 
Indiana, you know, as we talked 

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about, a lot of guys are worried
about the size Indiana may not 

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have, but the Freeze is also 
getting guys that can rebound 

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the ball from guard spots, from 
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Dorn's another one of those that
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So for me, I really like to pick
up, again, think he's somebody 

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that that'll be utilized in a 
very specific role and they're 

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going to have an idea of what 
he's able to do while while he's

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great in the catch and shoot, he
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get to the rim and finish a bit.
But I think you're going to see 

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most of his work done from the 
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length on defense and 
versatility on the defensive end

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where he can guard multiple 
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Big 10 setting or or can step 
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wing. 
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Debris really liked about Dorn's
game. 

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Scott, I mean you, you got a 
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little bit. 
Any any general thoughts to 

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start with on on Nick Dorn? 
One thing that's interesting is 

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last year Balo shot 156 free 
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All that B roll footage you're 
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catch and shoot looks great. 
He shot 105 free throws last 

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year, hitting 81% of them. 
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throws for a small guard who's 
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Now, as, as Tony said, how he's 
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offense, we don't know. 
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that really stood out. 
Is a a player of that size able 

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to get to the line and also 
cover your ears shooting free 

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throws at 80.1% clip with 100. 
I mean, nobody else on IU last 

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year shot over 100 free throws 
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So having a guard come in who's 
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that much is nice. 
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to shoot 100 free throws if he's
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to have that much of the 
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But it's a really nice other 
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like this where it's not just 
shooting, but the ability to get

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to the line and shoot at 81%. 
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that really stood out outside of
the other things Tony was 

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talking about. 
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I think the thing with Doran 
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was on the way to an A pretty 
impressive statistical 

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performance on what was not a 
great team. 

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I mean, Elon was I think around 
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the last eight games or not 
eight games of the season with a

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lower extremity injury. 
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that was. 
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a guy that was logging north of 
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basis. 
Like he missed the last eight 

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games of the season and still 
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for Elon during this last year, 
you know, And so the the fact 

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that he had a really high 
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really efficient scorer and used
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without turning the ball over 
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This is a theme I keep saying 
over and over again, not so much

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in the point guards. 
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Tony, indicative of what Darren 
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You can deal with turnovers from
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they're facilitating, but he 
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guys who know how to enforce 
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the basketball when they are the
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where the ball is being 
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I'm saying. 
Do you see that as well? 

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Yeah, certainly so and you know,
especially from guys that are 

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kind of secondary playmakers, 
those are guys that when the 

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balls reverse to them, you can't
have them make a silly decision 

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when they're whether they're 
driving, shooting and just turn 

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the ball over. 
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regard, very strong and with 
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maybe a little bit of a higher 
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but their assist rates are off 
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And that's again, kind of the, 
the type, if you will, of, of 

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Darren Devries are guys that 
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If you can move the defense, you
open up driving lanes, you open 

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up driving lanes, you open up 
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And so it, it's a great thing to
see that that these are the kind

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of guys that he's targeting. 
And yeah, with, with a Dorn, you

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know, as Scott said, he's able 
to get to the line, really makes

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good decisions, doesn't shoot a 
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And when he gets to the rim, 
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And I think he drew 4.4 fouls 
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the top. 500 yeah, that's and 
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Scott said. 
I mean, he's he can draw fouls 

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and he can hit free throws when 
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This is also a guy that's got 
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which I think is we've asked a 
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Some people have been like, wow,
like they're really loading up 

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on on 5th year guys, six year 
guys, guys that aren't going to 

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have another year necessarily 
after that. 

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We talked in the last podcast 
about how that's not the worst 

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thing in the world in as much as
you really do need to have an 

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experienced team to go out there
and be able to reconstitute 

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around a new roster, new roles, 
but know how to play basketball,

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know how to be effective in 
positions. 

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You're a lot more likely to get 
that with veterans, but you do 

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want to have some people that 
you can say, hey, we're going to

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bring you up and develop you in 
this process. 

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You might play a role this year,
but you'll play a bigger role 

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next year. 
You know, Scott, like in the new

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roster era, that's about the 
best you can hope for in terms 

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of bringing guys into the roster
and trying to build beyond the 

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year. 
Because as we've seen it with 

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teams like Baylor, you can have 
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Can you set it up so you've at 
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around for the following year? 
Yeah, it it's like we're slaying

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old Dragons because wasn't that 
always the Korean thing? 

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It's like we just need to get 
guys in the locker room who, who

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know the culture and trying to 
build the culture. 

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No, I mean that was something I 
kept looking at like the inside 

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the hall scholarships page for a
while where you're, you're 

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seeing the, you know, 252016 get
built, but you look out and just

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like Sicily just on his own for 
three years. 

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It is nice. 
You now have, you know, with 

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Dorn, Drake, Miles and Sicily, 
you have 4 players who are 

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committed past this next season.
You know, you still have a 

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couple more spots like I could 
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And to me that's that's kind of 
a good spot because some people 

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are going to leave, you know, 
this it's a newer era of both. 

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I think the where we're going to
play basketball, which will be 

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nice, but altered with roster 
construction. 

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But you know that I think this 
also, you know, I, I think 

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people have been concerned, but 
I also think you have to 

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understand how much debris is 
going to have to do here and how

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much was was, you know, you're, 
you're flipping over an entire 

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roster. 
You've got to sign 12 to 15 

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players. 
And then you also have to figure

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out how do I do that in a way 
where it kind of stretches out 

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over 4 years? 
You know, you're getting a, a 

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mix of those players, you're 
getting players that you want, 

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but you're also getting guys who
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And you know, that that's, 
that's not always going to be 

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easiest. 
And I do think, you know, in his

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mind, Debris is probably having 
to make some, you know, is it 

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the player that I want? 
Is it the, the, are they in the 

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amount of eligibility that I 
want? 

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Things like that. 
But it does seem like he's he's 

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threading the needle pretty well
there and you're getting some, 

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you know, four players for next 
year. 

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You hope you get a couple more 
recruits lined up. 

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I I think we're in a good. 
Spot there. 

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The last thing I'll say on Nick 
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The only downside to Nick Dorn 
is I can already hear the pun 

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makers talking about the Dorn 
identity or the Doran ultimatum.

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If he ever hit you just. 
Put it in the universe, it's 

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over. 
It's, it's gonna and it's 

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actually almost unfortunate 
cause the next guy we're going 

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to talk about, his first name is
Jason. 

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You could have had a Jason Doran
here and it would have made it 

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even worse. 
So anyway, we just wanted to get

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that out there anyway, let's. 
Talk about hang on real quick, 

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how about Nick Doran? 
Let's not let's not talk about 

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the sample size, but against 
Tier A competition 146 offensive

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rating, it may or may not have 
just been one game, but. 

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Hey, you know what Everybody 
else is dishonest about 

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statistics, Tony. 
Why can't we be too? 

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I love that, though. 
Yeah, that that one game was a 

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was a really good game against 
Notre Dame, was the MVP of that 

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game. 
I had a 164 offensive rating in 

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that game and scored 24 points. 
Was was just a monster out 

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there. 
So anyway, let's let's move on 

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to our next player, which is 
Jason Drake. 

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Tony, take it away. 
Talk a little bit about him as 

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we roll some B roll. 
Yeah, we've got a, we've got a, 

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a Drake. 
We've got, we've got all kinds 

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of fun names going on here. 
We've got a Lamar, you know. 

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But yeah, with Jason Drake, you 
know, guy from Drexel averaged 

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11 points a game. 
Again, another guy that, that 

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passing is at a premium with 
what he's able to do. 

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I believe over 3 assists per 
game, assist rate, that's around

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25. 
Again, another guy that that 

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shot over 100 threes last year 
shot at a 39 percent .6% clip. 

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Again, that is part of the type 
that we've talked about with 

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with Darren Devries is that a 
guy in Drake's mold can pass, he

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can shoot, he's going to move 
the basketball. 62 guards. 

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So a little bit kind of a 
smaller guard doesn't 

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necessarily fit like the mold, 
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Not 510, so still has a little 
bit of size to to compete. 

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But yeah, I really like his 
game. 

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You know, 45% from from two. 
He was 91 for 200. 

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So he can get to the rim a 
little bit as well as shoot from

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the outside. 
Again, this is another guy that 

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I think is going to be utilized 
kind of as a combo guard in the 

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second unit. 
So can play with in right, but 

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also could lead the offense if 
he needs to. 

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Again, you saw some of his clips
passing just a minute ago. 

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These are some of his clips now 
from the outside, got a really 

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quick release, shoots the ball 
well. 

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Again, somebody that can be on 
the floor with other playmakers,

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kind of be that that primary or 
secondary playmaker, depending 

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on who else on the floor with 
them and can put the ball in the

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bucket. 
You know, and that's just 

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something that Indiana hasn't 
had a lot of in the past pretty 

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much decade. 
You know, you go back to Crean's

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last year all the way through 
Archie Miller and then Woody's 

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era, you've had a playmaker here
and there. 

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But the fact that you've got 
multiple guys now that that 

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shoot the three shot over 100 
threes in a season at almost a 

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40% clip. 
Again, you can you can kind of 

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see how Devries wanted to build 
this roster and what he was kind

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of placing a premium on. 
Scott, as we look at these 

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clips, I mean I'm drawing to a 
couple of things with this 

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player 1. 
He is not afraid to go to the 

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basket. 
He clearly has confidence in his

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handles. 
He is not afraid to turn around 

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and shoot is able to evade 
defenders pretty effectively, 

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can pull up and and hit the you 
know the the shot from the mid 

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range. 
Either you look at his assist 

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rate and again, I, I go back to 
what I said a minute ago, like 

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his assist rate's a little over 
1 to one in terms of assist to 

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turnover ratio. 
But you know, playing on a team 

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that didn't have a lot of great 
options offensively as this 

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Drexel team did. 
Still pretty impressive that he 

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was able to rack up a a A+ 
category offensive rating and 

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you know, was able to distribute
the ball very effectively, shot 

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the ball very well from outside.
Looks like he needs to work on 

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his layup conversions a little 
bit. 

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His he was a little under 
statistically in close twos. 

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I only shot 54%, which really 
isn't nearly good enough, but I 

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love the athleticism and he he 
just seems like the type of guy 

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that you can bring in off the 
bench and plug in and not really

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lose as much as you might 
otherwise. 

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And we've seen this with Indiana
in the past couple of years, 

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really for the last seven or 
eight years when they've lost 

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their primary ball handler 
because they have to sit him 

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down, they have nobody else to 
go to. 

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It feels like Indiana's got at 
least a couple of options now 

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that can come off the bench and 
not really miss a step, and 

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that's really exciting. 
What's interesting is like, I 

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feel like we're just doing copy 
and paste from the Doran 

441
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discussion here, which again 
goes to this nice, like you can 

442
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,000
just bring people in because 
they all do a lot of similar 

443
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things. 
Again, I'm I'm looking at Drake.

444
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:02,440
You know, everything Tony said 
is, is on point. 

445
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:08,040
Drake shot 68 free throws last 
year and shot at 85%. 

446
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That would have put him fifth 
most free throws in the team and

447
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second highest free throw 
percentage. 

448
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,680
So again, another guy who's 
shooting a lot of threes, but 

449
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also able to get to the line. 
You know it, as you said, it 

450
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feels like he has a he has a 
type. 

451
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,520
What I think is funny, and this 
is something Galen you've gotten

452
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me into kind of playing around 
with is we're getting some of 

453
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these players from these mid 
major teams. 

454
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,560
Just looking through, you know, 
some of the teams they played 

455
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,800
his first year he was on 
Cleveland State. 

456
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,920
The team they played the first, 
the first game of the of the 

457
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season was Notre Dame of Ohio. 
So there's that team. 

458
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,360
But then that last year he 
played for Drake. 

459
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The first team they played was 
Georgian Court, which sounds 

460
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,080
like they might, might be in 
charge of picking the new Pope 

461
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as well as playing basketball. 
But I just think of like, 

462
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,360
paraphrasing the night thing, 
like it just debris being like, 

463
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,040
Georgian Court's not going to be
coming on the court tomorrow. 

464
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,560
Like this isn't Georgian Court 
you're going to be facing next 

465
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week. 
Or maybe we just go the other 

466
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,840
way around. 
We just play somebody completely

467
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,080
insane as our first game of the 
year. 

468
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,440
So yeah, unfortunately. 
Notre Dame of Ohio is not even a

469
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school anymore. 
There you go. 

470
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,120
That's funny. 
You know the this, this is also 

471
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an interesting pick up from my 
perspective. 

472
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,280
Just, you know, it, it felt a 
little redundant when I first 

473
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saw it. 
But the more I've dug in to 

474
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,960
looking at what type of player 
this is and what he might bring 

475
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,200
to the table, the more I'm like,
there's almost the potential for

476
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,720
three very different looks with 
the same personnel that you're 

477
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,560
drawing off of. 
Someone in the chat pointed out 

478
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,800
by you right now only has three 
guys under 65 and everybody can 

479
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shoot. 
And I think that that's that's 

480
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,560
one of the key things where it's
like you can be flexible in your

481
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,920
lineups in a way that Indiana 
has not been in a long time Now,

482
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,160
Tony, I think knows this. 
Scott definitely knows it 

483
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,680
because they've he's heard the 
news about it. 

484
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,000
Like one of my favorite teams of
all time was that Illinois team 

485
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,880
from 1989, the team that lost in
the Final four. 

486
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:04,560
And what made that team so 
fascinating to watch was they 

487
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,520
were comprised very similar to 
what it feels like Darren 

488
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,440
Devries is doing. 
I'll be it with less of an 

489
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,440
emphasis on outside shooting, a 
bunch of interchangeable players

490
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,880
where you can run a lineup of 
four guys that are between 65 

491
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,680
and 69, which in the modern 
game, Tony, means you can switch

492
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,920
everything, which I know you've 
been a big advocate for in 

493
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,560
certain circumstances for a 
while. 

494
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,160
And what we see out of the 
offensive games of all these 

495
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,200
players is they all seem to 
share some similar 

496
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,040
characteristics. 
They all have a quick release. 

497
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,560
None of them seem afraid to 
either shoot or put the ball on 

498
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,000
the floor. 
And they seem to all hunt space.

499
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,480
And, and now you've got with 
Drake, a guy that can do that, 

500
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but can also serve as a 
distributor if they're going to 

501
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,160
be working through a couple of 
different units or a couple of 

502
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,200
different looks every game. 
Knowing that you're going to 

503
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,840
have with any shooters, you 
know, you're going to have 

504
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,880
situations where a guy's going 
to have an off night. 

505
00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,600
But unlike what you've seen 
where it's like, well, if Luke 

506
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,600
Goody has an off night or if 
Mackenzie Mbacco has an off 

507
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,720
night or Miller cop has an off 
night, you're screwed. 

508
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,800
From outside, it feels like 
Indiana's got a bunch of fail 

509
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,960
safes to say, well, if that 
doesn't work, we'll try a 

510
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,800
different lineup and we might 
have the same success that that 

511
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,640
to me feels. 
And you're not, you're not 

512
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,280
loading with five stars here, 
but you're loading with guys 

513
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,360
that can do those things. 
And that is really intriguing to

514
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:27,200
me. 
Yeah, and a lot of guys that 

515
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,720
that can create shots for 
themselves, for others. 

516
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,720
And then you've got the 
secondary pieces like a Drake 

517
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,160
that that can do both, but also 
in catch and shoot situation. 

518
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,120
So that's that's what's so 
important about some of these 

519
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,600
numbers too to me is that, you 
know, you can look at 3 point 

520
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,520
percentage, but it's like, OK, 
how many of those were late 

521
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,240
clock threes or off the dribble 
threes that they had to pull or,

522
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,600
you know, or we're allowed to 
shoot? 

523
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,320
You know, some of these guys are
coming from programs where maybe

524
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,800
shot selection wasn't at a 
premium. 

525
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,320
So that's the things that Darren
Devries and his staff dive into 

526
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,120
where it's like, OK, let's throw
these out. 

527
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,680
Let's look at these numbers. 
And obviously synergy helps 

528
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,120
break a lot of that down. 
Like for Drake, you know, he was

529
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:11,840
39% three-point shooter, but in 
in catch and shoot situations 

530
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,240
unguarded, you know, he was 69%.
And so you look at things like 

531
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,880
that and like, OK, well, if I've
got Connerway creating, he 

532
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,480
swings it to Wilkerson one more 
over to Drake and he's in 

533
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,000
shooting a wide open corner 
three, I think he's going to hit

534
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,160
that. 
So those are the things as there

535
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,320
as he's building his team, he 
knows the offense in the system 

536
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,280
that he's going to run. 
He understands like, OK, well, 

537
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,920
if I put guys in these spots, 
this is where they'll thrive. 

538
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,040
And I think that's kind of what 
Indiana's been missing is like, 

539
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:43,400
OK, this guy scores in this way,
let's get him the ball there. 

540
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,920
To me, Indiana, over the last 
eight years, it really more so 

541
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,920
has just been like, here's my 
offense, this is my system, run 

542
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,480
it. 
But it didn't really necessarily

543
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,840
have a rhyme or reason to match 
the skill sets of the team. 

544
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,440
Unless it was get the ball to 
Romeo Langford, get the ball to 

545
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,440
Trace Jackson Davis, get the 
ball to Malik Renew or Omar 

546
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,720
Barlow. 
Like that's been the end goal of

547
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,080
the offenses here over the 
course of the last several 

548
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,120
years. 
And it's really what you missed.

549
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:13,840
I mean, the Korean era at its 
best, you would have a night 

550
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,000
where Cody Zeller was clearly 
going to be the focal point of 

551
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,640
the offense. 
We'd have another light where it

552
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,320
was going to be Victor Oladipo 
or it was going to be Christian 

553
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,560
Wofford or it was going to be, 
you know, Thomas Bryant. 

554
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,640
Like you had that flexibility 
and, and it's been so rigid that

555
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,480
when it worked, like when Jalen 
Huchafino has the game of his 

556
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,760
life at Mackie Arena and goes 
off, OK, great, hey, we won. 

557
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,560
But it was, it never felt 
remotely sustainable because it 

558
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,880
was impractical for those guys 
to have those types of games 

559
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,000
consistently. 
And then it does feel, and 

560
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,080
obviously we got to wait till 
they play the games, but it 

561
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,840
feels a lot less like you're 
banking on the same thing having

562
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,480
to happen every time in order to
be successful. 

563
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,760
And that is such a radically 
different approach from what 

564
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,200
we've seen Indiana doing here 
over the course of the last 

565
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,800
eight years. 
And it's almost hard to conceive

566
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,840
of. 
So I I get where people are 

567
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,480
like, I'm still not sure how 
this works because you haven't 

568
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,280
seen it. 
I don't blame you. 

569
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,160
But the pieces are there. 
Let's talk about the third 

570
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,240
piece, Scott. 
I'm going to we'll start on this

571
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,400
one with the this was the 
mystery guy and everybody was 

572
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,240
surprised. 
But coming in from the defending

573
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,800
national champions, although he 
didn't get to play too much 

574
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,760
because of injury this year. 
Sam Alexis, 6-8 right now, 

575
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280
although it's interesting 
because it's inside the Hall 

576
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,560
noted he was 69 last year when 
he played for Chattanooga, 6-8 

577
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,560
this year with Florida. 
I doubt he shrunk, but this is a

578
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,600
player that even in relatively 
limited minutes this year, 

579
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,560
certainly was functional as a 
player. 

580
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,520
And even though he barely 
played, once you got past about 

581
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,080
the first seven games of the 
season prior to those injuries, 

582
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,240
this was a plus Offensive rating
player. 

583
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,920
In every game that he played he 
was contributing minutes wise 

584
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,720
like he had games 1614201417. 
He had several games in double 

585
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,040
digit minutes for a Florida team
that went on and won the 

586
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,920
national championship. 
This feels like an under the 

587
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,240
radar signing that's going to 
look weird on paper 

588
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,080
statistically, but this guy's 
clearly got a lot of ability 

589
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,000
around the basket. 
I mean, look at some of these 

590
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,120
put backs and rebounds and and 
overall things that he's doing 

591
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,880
in the lane offensively for 
people that are looking for the 

592
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,800
big man. 
This isn't A7 footer, but this 

593
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,920
is a guy who clearly knows his 
way around the post. 

594
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,840
Yeah. 
I mean, the first thought that I

595
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,960
had with this signing was 
Anthony Walker just off of, you 

596
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,440
know, a team that year with 
Miami that went to the Final 

597
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,520
Four who was kind of a lower 
level contributor. 

598
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,680
And I don't mean that as a knock
because if you look at Walker's 

599
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,280
stats when he played, you know, 
two years ago, he did, he got 

600
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,160
statistically better with 
Indiana. 

601
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,760
He just wasn't used as much. 
But he everything he did at 

602
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,640
Miami, he did more efficiently 
and increased at Indiana. 

603
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,120
So I can see something similar 
here with Alexis where you, you 

604
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,920
could just take this and just 
continue to grow it with what 

605
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,040
he's doing at Florida to, you 
know, what you see in Indiana. 

606
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,680
To me, the biggest difference in
Walker and, and Alexis though, 

607
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,080
is that Indiana already had like
4 Walkers on the roster when 

608
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,640
they signed him with Alexis. 
You know, he, he fits a need. 

609
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,200
Like they, they need a guy that 
can protect the rim going to 

610
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,920
rebound, bring a different 
energy. 

611
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,880
Like, you know, more than likely
going to come off the bench and 

612
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,520
kind of, you know, it's going to
probably be Reed Bailey at the 

613
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,840
five. 
It's going to be a different 

614
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,840
type of energy. 
And when Alexis comes in and 

615
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,240
plays the five, like I said, 
protects the rim a little bit 

616
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,160
more, so maybe the guards can 
get a little bit more aggressive

617
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,000
because they can get beat and 
there's still somebody there to 

618
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,680
protect the rim. 
You know, I had some people that

619
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,880
were like, I don't really like 
the signing. 

620
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,680
I don't see it. 
And it's like, OK, well, let's 

621
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,160
say we get Indiana's getting a 
kid from Chattanooga that 

622
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,760
average 11 points, 9 rebounds, 2
blocks per game. 

623
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,680
I think everybody's pretty Dang 
excited about that. 

624
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,480
Well, those were his numbers 
before he transferred to 

625
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,640
Florida. 
Kind of got buried on the bench 

626
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,200
a little bit like Galen said, 
had an injury so then didn't get

627
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,480
to play the last 8-9 games of 
the season. 

628
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,920
So to me he fits a need right. 
And so that's the biggest thing 

629
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,800
that is important to me is it's 
like there's a coherent plan for

630
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,120
how this roster needs to be 
built. 

631
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,280
There was a coherent plan for 
how Indiana needed to land a guy

632
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,920
of Sam Alexis's skill set and 
they went out and got him 

633
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,160
seemingly without him ever even 
visiting campus. 

634
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,000
You know I. 
Think he I think he visited and 

635
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,400
we just didn't hear about it 
potentially, but who knows. 

636
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,800
Yeah, at the very least it was. 
It was a stealth operation, kind

637
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,840
of came out of nowhere. 
Yeah, I mean, and again, as we 

638
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,280
talked about earlier, that's 
good. 

639
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,920
You want to be able to move 
undercover of darkness in this 

640
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,160
era. 
But yeah, I'm really struck that

641
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,480
you you really hit the nail on 
the head, Tony, in terms of like

642
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,560
you look at the numbers he had 
coming out of Chattanooga. 

643
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,760
He was in the nearly in the top 
200 and effective field goal 

644
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,760
percentage as a six nine guy. 
That's hard to do. 

645
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,240
He was 187th in the country in 
two point field goal percentage 

646
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,080
his sophomore year. 
He was 37th in the country in 

647
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,880
block percentage. 
He was 43rd in the country in 

648
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,880
defensive rebounding percentage.
Like this guy was a dynamite 

649
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,600
pick up for Florida in terms of 
athleticism. 

650
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,040
Now, it turned out they didn't 
need him, but they just won the 

651
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,840
national title. 
So we probably shouldn't read 

652
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,080
too much into that, especially 
since he clearly had an injury 

653
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,840
that limited him throughout the 
course of the second or the last

654
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,120
2/3 of the season. 
So when I look at this, I say 

655
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,880
there's you clearly have to take
on faith that he's going to rise

656
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,080
to the occasion and be a guy 
that can play regularly. 

657
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,480
But I agree with you, Tony, if 
you've got Reed Bailey as your 

658
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,000
five, but this is a guy who can 
come in and play it. 

659
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,400
Either the four or the five 
change the energy. 

660
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,720
He's very bouncy like this is 
this may be one of the two or 

661
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,720
three most athletic players that
Indiana has pulled so far in the

662
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,480
portal. 
He clearly knows how to control 

663
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,200
his body in the post and as 
someone pointed out with the 

664
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,240
Trace Jackson Davis size comp 
like you can have an effective 

665
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,880
center that's not 7 feet tall. 
It requires a different 

666
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,960
defensive approach. 
But again, if you if you're able

667
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,440
to limit the disadvantages that 
you are facing by being able to 

668
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,880
switch, if that's indeed how 
they decide to go defensively, 

669
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,800
it makes that less of a big 
deal. 

670
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,199
Yes, you're still going to have 
big guys that you will attack or

671
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,400
have to attack, but that's where
good positioning and good 

672
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,840
technique can combat things. 
It's not like all of the teams 

673
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,239
that had 7 foot centers 
automatically won everything 

674
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,800
this year. 
Many of them were almost like 

675
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,960
handcuffed to some degree 
because of the problems that 

676
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,120
they ran into on the other end. 
And those guys get in foul 

677
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,320
trouble a lot easier than the 
six, nine guys do. 

678
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,719
Yeah, absolutely. 
And you know, to me, it's just 

679
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,239
it's such a mindset shift that I
understand why there's some some

680
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,080
kind of like consternation from 
Indiana fan. 

681
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,440
First of all, Reed Bailey isn't 
short some for some reason, his 

682
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,120
six 10611 stature continues to 
kind of get overlooked because 

683
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,679
of the way he plays the game 
offensively. 

684
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,679
But he's still not he's 66106 
eleven depending on what site 

685
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,520
you look at. 
And then you've got a guy in Sam

686
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Alexis that that clearly Todd 
Golden saw something in to to 

687
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,760
go, you know, pull him in last 
season to a national 

688
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,040
championship roster. 
You know, this isn't a guy that 

689
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,000
that Devries is is going to be 
counting on for 2530 minutes a 

690
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,880
game. 
This is a guy that you plug in 

691
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,080
in spurts or you're playing more
of an athletic center or Ree 

692
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,360
Bailey gets a foul strip or 
whatever the case may be. 

693
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,960
You know, where he might play 20
minutes maximum. 

694
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,480
But really you're looking at 
more of a sweet spot between 

695
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,840
like 12 and 15 perhaps for for 
him to play. 

696
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,520
And it just give you a different
look in a different type of 

697
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,520
energy. 
And so, and also like, I know 

698
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,000
this is is kind of breaking 
news, perhaps Indiana fans, but 

699
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,080
like, he doesn't have to play 
with only second unit players. 

700
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,200
Wait, I thought we had to. 
Don't we have to change the 

701
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,680
entire line up at the 12 minute 
mark of every game? 

702
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,720
And so, you know, you plug him 
in with with a more athletic 

703
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:54,680
lineup or, or some of the 
starting lineup and, and whatnot

704
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,480
and gives him a different look 
from a ball screen standpoint. 

705
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,360
He because Reed Bailey's going 
to be more of a pick and pop 

706
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,400
threat or he's going to be more 
of a pick and roll threat, 

707
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,880
catching lobs at the rim again, 
aggressive on the offensive 

708
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,840
rebounding front. 
And so I like to pick up, you 

709
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,240
know, it's it, it fits a need 
that Indiana needs. 

710
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,520
So this is where maybe we take 
the remainder of this 

711
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,280
conversation. 
We'll go for another 10 minutes 

712
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,320
or so on the show here, but 
we've heard a lot of question 

713
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,160
marks about what exactly what's 
left. 

714
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,960
I mean, so like Jim actually 
asked a good question. 

715
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,600
What is the second unit on this 
team? 

716
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,280
So let's let's quickly I want to
I want to call up the the latest

717
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,120
Ken Pom comp thing with that I 
sent Tony earlier. 

718
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,040
Let me let me pull this up real 
fast. 

719
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,200
Let's see if this is right. 
Yep, there it is. 

720
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,480
So here's here's your Ken Pom 
comparison page. 

721
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,880
Now of all the players, I've got
Luke Goody on there still. 

722
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,480
We've had a lot of questions 
about whether Luke Goody is 

723
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,880
going to get his waiver. 
I still think he's going to get 

724
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,920
the waiver, but I don't have any
actual factual evidence to back 

725
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,680
that up. 
It's just a feeling on my part. 

726
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,120
But let's look at this roster as
it currently stands. 

727
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,120
So you got Tatan Conner way at 
six. 

728
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,880
Three seems likely to be the 
starting point guard. 

729
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,440
You've got Tucker Debris, who's 
likely to a get a waiver and 

730
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,280
maybe be the starter at the 
three, I would guess, feel free 

731
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,080
to agree with you, maybe the 
four. 

732
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:19,720
You've got Lamar Wilkerson, who 
seems destined to be the 

733
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:22,160
starting two. 
You've got Reed Bailey, who's 

734
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,920
likely the starting 5 right now.
And then you've got a bunch of 

735
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,320
different options that either 
the three or four that you could

736
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,600
plug in given who's there. 
So you've also got Connor 

737
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,600
Enright, who's going to probably
get a significant number of 

738
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,880
minutes, but probably not start 
at point, Sam Alexis, who we 

739
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,120
just talked about who could come
in if you're playing a really 

740
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,120
big team and be your four. 
And that would change the 

741
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,640
perspective on the line of a 
bit. 

742
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,360
You've got Jason Drake who's 
clearly in the in the guard, the

743
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,720
1-2 category. 
You've got Nick Dorn, who we 

744
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,680
talked about earlier. 
And then you've got Goody. 

745
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,240
That's the roster along with 
Trent Sisley, who plugs in out 

746
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,920
of four probably. 
And then you what? 

747
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,720
So you got what, 123456789? 
And if you've got and you've got

748
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:13,200
Sicily at 10, Goody makes 11. 
You've got 13 scholarships. 

749
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,040
What do you see them doing with 
the remaining slots on this 

750
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,040
roster, Tony? 
Yeah, I could see them maybe 

751
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:26,120
looking at freshman for for one 
more spot, which would then put 

752
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,720
them at 12, assuming Goody gets 
the waiver or goes to court and 

753
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:31,080
wins or whatever the case is 
there. 

754
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,720
And then maybe you sit on one 
open scholarship to see what 

755
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,880
happens in in summer ball. 
There are, you know, 

756
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,080
decommitments and, and things 
that happen there, you know, the

757
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,720
the big kid out of Iceland that 
decommitted from Arizona State. 

758
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,320
Seems like there, there could be
some, some traction there. 

759
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,200
But I would, I would love to get
another freshman, maybe 2 into 

760
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,160
the fold just for what we had 
talked about previously. 

761
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,360
As you get some continuity, some
guys that that learn and then at

762
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,880
the same time, too, freshmen are
more likely to, you know, not 

763
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,080
get pissed if they're not 
playing. 

764
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,360
If you sell that to them from 
the start, you get 11-12 guys 

765
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,080
you pulled into the portal that 
you took you, you're seemingly 

766
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,040
selling them a role on, you 
know, on the team and all of a 

767
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,160
sudden they're not playing a 
lot. 

768
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,720
That can cause some 
consternation, locker room 

769
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,040
issues, all that stuff. 
So to me, if you build up a 

770
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,360
roster where you have, you know,
your 10 guys that you're 

771
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,160
probably going to play in your 
rotation at some point, maybe 

772
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,560
not each game, but at some point
there's going to be those 10. 

773
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,200
And then you've got two or three
that are, are development pieces

774
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,640
that that you're really kind of 
looking towards the future with.

775
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,240
To me, that's that's the happy 
medium to find. 

776
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,960
So that's kind of what I could 
envision them doing. 

777
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,680
But I know too, like sometimes 
you just take best available, 

778
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,800
like, and then you figure it out
later. 

779
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,880
So when you kind of have your 
roster how you want it and 

780
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,000
you've got a couple open spots, 
maybe now you really focus in on

781
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,800
a Euro guy or something that 
that that you've been looking 

782
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,320
at. 
But to me, there's a. 

783
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,160
There's a couple different ways 
you could go here, but either 

784
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,280
way, I like them. 
Finding guys that they can 

785
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,400
develop in their system, that 
they can have that continuity 

786
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,120
moving into next year, assuming 
they don't hit the portal. 

787
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,880
So I have a question for both of
you guys on this is just looking

788
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,840
at that roster for next year. 
And you know, I, I want to be 

789
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,680
positive. 
I don't want to throw cold water

790
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,840
on this, but you know, last year
during during the off stage, you

791
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,320
look, it's like, all right, you 
know, I can see where you know, 

792
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,720
Miles Rice is going to open the 
floor. 

793
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:28,120
If you got Bolo renew, you know,
they can make it work. 

794
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,920
And we're always trying to look 
at the positive piece. 

795
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,560
I am curious and, and I look at 
this and I, I fully admit I like

796
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,240
everything I'm seeing and I, I, 
I hear everything we're saying. 

797
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,600
I'm just curious from both of 
your perspectives, if things 

798
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,640
don't work, why, what do you 
think would be the reason why 

799
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,920
what we see now isn't going to 
work? 

800
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,640
Or what could be some of the 
issues out there that, you know,

801
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,080
maybe we should have been 
looking more at last year that 

802
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,040
we could look at, you know, 
looking ahead for next year? 

803
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,480
Well, I mean, I'll start on 
this, Tony. 

804
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,920
And I guess there's two big 
things I would look at. 

805
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,240
One is, can this team coalesce 
and play defense effectively? 

806
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,760
And that's that's a big question
mark. 

807
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,920
This is a lot more of a 
Creighton roster or a Drake 

808
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,000
roster for Darren Devries than 
it is the West Virginia roster 

809
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,200
that he had last year. 
That West Virginia roster had a 

810
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,920
lot of athleticism and a lot of 
defensive ability that I don't 

811
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,280
think it been tapped 
particularly well the previous 

812
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,600
season. 
He managed to harness that. 

813
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,520
He had to because he didn't have
the offensive firepower after 

814
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,600
the first part of the year. 
There's no guarantee that this 

815
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,960
group is going to be able to 
coalesce on that front because 

816
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,120
it's hard to take defensive 
effort and ability out of the. 

817
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,200
You can't really look at it on 
an individual basis except in 

818
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,280
things like steel percentage, 
which we've got a couple of 

819
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,120
players in this transfer portal 
class that clearly can pressure 

820
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,520
the ball. 
But how does that work in terms 

821
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,160
of a holistic system? 
The other issue, and and this is

822
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,160
one that I keep seeing brought 
up and I don't think it's an 

823
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,760
unreasonable question, is you've
got a ton of players that are 

824
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,440
from the lower levels of college
basketball. 

825
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,040
How well do their games 
translate to the Big 10 and to 

826
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,480
the power conference level? 
You know, and if you look at 

827
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,160
there, there are there have been
isolated but consistent cases 

828
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,960
with a lot of teams where you've
been able to take players from 

829
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,400
the mid major level or below, 
plug them into the next level 

830
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,120
and they've worked. 
But that's generally been 

831
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,640
getting plugged into a roster of
athletes that were recruited to 

832
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,240
the power conference level. 
And so there's less leaning on 

833
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,120
them. 
How does that work when they're 

834
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,960
all from that level? 
And, and this is where it's like

835
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,440
they might all be D1 high power 
conference caliber players that 

836
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,880
either got under recruited or 
developed quite a bit in their 

837
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,840
first couple of years. 
But you are leaning quite a bit 

838
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,040
on the idea that those players 
have the ability within them to 

839
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,280
play at this level. 
Those are the two things I'd be 

840
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,000
the most concerned about. 
I I trust Darren Devries, I 

841
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,840
don't think he's going out and 
getting players that can't 

842
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,800
translate. 
And this is where he and his 

843
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,920
assistants, this is where they 
make their money that, you know,

844
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,360
the talent evaluation and like 
that guy will work at this level

845
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,960
and this is how we're going to 
make it happen. 

846
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,280
That's honestly where I think 
we're the the rubber's going to 

847
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,160
hit the road or not when it 
comes to this roster. 

848
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,400
Tony, what are your thoughts on 
this? 

849
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:21,440
Defense would would be my first 
thought just because some of 

850
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,520
these guys have some lower 
defensive box plus minus yeah. 

851
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:31,280
And then what what coach Tansone
just put there is everybody's 

852
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,480
going to have to buy into a new 
role maybe minus Wilkerson and 

853
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,960
Devries, you know those those 
two are still going to be high 

854
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,480
usage guys that the offense is 
going to run through more than 

855
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,480
likely. 
But pretty much everybody else 

856
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,960
on this roster was their team's 
best player last season. 

857
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,920
And trying to get those guys 
together, buy into their role 

858
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,920
and then just understand each 
others games. 

859
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:00,640
Like there's a reason continuity
is a real metric you look at in 

860
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,040
terms of building a team and how
far they can go. 

861
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,640
Because you just have to 
understand how each other play 

862
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,240
and where you like the ball and 
all that good stuff. 

863
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,840
Now what gives me some 
excitement or kind of like what 

864
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,280
helps me rest easy at night with
that is that this is not new to 

865
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,480
Darren Devries. 
He did it completely new roster 

866
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,640
at West Virginia last season, 
completely new roster minus his 

867
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,600
son at Drake the year prior and 
both he should have made the 

868
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,520
tournament at West Virginia and 
made the tournament at Drake. 

869
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,400
I looked last year, I think 
there were ten teams that had a 

870
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,320
complete rebuild. 
Kentucky and Louisville were the

871
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,280
only two that made the 
tournament, which to me that's 

872
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,600
the level that Indiana's on in 
terms of resources where you 

873
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,280
have. 
And what I mean by that is you 

874
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,800
have the resources to go out and
build a new team that actually 

875
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,080
can be high caliber. 
And then the next best rated 

876
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,400
team was West Virginia, which 
again thought that they should 

877
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,400
have made the tournament, but 
their resources were at a lower 

878
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,920
level than Indiana. 
And that's why Darren Devries is

879
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,480
here now, right? 
So to me, those are kind of the 

880
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,480
two things that give me a little
bit of heartburn. 

881
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,360
But I also like win with Scott 
where you know, there we won't 

882
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,280
know till we know. 
But I feel good about it in 

883
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,280
terms of of how they're building
this roster. 

884
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,600
And the main reason I feel good 
about it is while basketball is 

885
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,240
a different sport than football,
we just saw it done with Coach 

886
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,480
Signetti at the football realm 
bringing some some lower tier 

887
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,040
guys, but have a chip on their 
shoulder. 

888
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,560
Maybe feel that they were 
overlooked and then was able to 

889
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,480
put them in into a cohesive unit
and then go out there and, and 

890
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,000
dominate, you know, college 
football. 

891
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,280
So that also helps me feel good.
Like I just saw it done in a 

892
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,000
much more difficult situation in
terms of Indiana football. 

893
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,480
And so the while I, you know, I 
don't think Indiana's a final 4 

894
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,920
caliber roster, I do feel good 
about what they've built thus 

895
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,040
far and that they'll be able to 
compete night in night out. 

896
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,800
I'm going to do Colin. 
Coward and answer my own 

897
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,800
question. 
Just do a little solo radio here

898
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,840
for a second. 
I I my other this is a thing 

899
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,200
that I like, but also a concern.
You know, as I look at this team

900
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,640
to something Galen, you 
mentioned in the pod a couple 

901
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,640
weeks ago, just how how the SCC 
really transformed how they were

902
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,280
recruiting and building 
basketball teams in the Big 10 

903
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,480
is still kind of led by Michigan
State and Purdue building teams 

904
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,360
a different way. 
I like that it looks like we're 

905
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,240
building a little more SEC style
team with with the kind of 

906
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,840
players that we're getting, the 
schools are coming from the size

907
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,760
and all of that, but we're still
playing in the Big 10 next 

908
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,160
season. 
And so the idea of we're just 

909
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,840
going to, you know, we're still 
going to be competing against 

910
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,640
Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
teams that have big players. 

911
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,840
I'm not saying we can't compete 
with it, but the idea that we 

912
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,280
are going to be able to 
radically do all of this change 

913
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,400
in one year and, and change the 
paradigm within the conference. 

914
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,880
I, I think we're on the right 
track. 

915
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,800
I think that it, from what I'm 
seeing, we're going about this 

916
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,600
the right way. 
But I do think it, you know, we 

917
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,880
still play in the Big 10 and 
it's going to be hard against 

918
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,400
some of those teams and just the
way the Big 10 is. 

919
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,400
And so if we're helping to move 
that forward, it may be. 

920
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,880
Be a 234 year process. 
Well, yeah, I agree. 

921
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,400
Although here's what I would 
look at it as the the reality is

922
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,160
Indiana has to build itself back
up to a national level of 

923
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,040
relevance among recruits. 
This has to become a destination

924
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,200
once again, not just for top 
rated recruits that are looking 

925
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,880
for a home and a quick payday, 
but guys who are buying into a 

926
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:39,000
particular system, especially to
talk about what Mike Weemuth 

927
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,160
talks about regularly on X's and
Joe's being able to grab those 

928
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,520
guys in the sweet spot. 
Those those, you know, 30 to 80 

929
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,360
ranked players who can stick 
around for multiple years build 

930
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,960
into a system. 
Indiana's essentially got to 

931
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,920
demonstrate what that system 
looks like. 

932
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,080
Are you going to go out and be 
able to get high major players 

933
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,520
as transfers to fill those roles
effectively? 

934
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:02,760
No. 
Like what? 

935
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,640
Why would those players leave 
their current situations, the 

936
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:10,080
ones that would probably you 
don't want and the ones that you

937
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,080
want you probably aren't going 
to be able to get? 

938
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,920
Because why would they leave 
their current situation to go 

939
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,920
out and get a bunch of guys who 
are in the next tier who 

940
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,360
clearly, as coach Tom Sony 
mentioned in the comments, are 

941
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:27,480
high usage guys. 
They're high output guys, I 

942
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:33,080
guess for lack of a better term.
The all of it adds up to me to a

943
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,480
team that's got a ceiling. 
As Tony pointed out, it's got a 

944
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,880
significantly higher floor. 
And to Scott's point about you 

945
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,840
got to play in the Big 10. 
I I think you can catch 

946
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,800
lightning in a bottle in a given
year in the Big 10 if you are 

947
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,320
throwing a system out there that
other teams are not equipped to 

948
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,160
defend effectively. 
Because if you look at what's 

949
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,280
happened in the Big 10 over the 
course of of the last few years,

950
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,400
and I think Illinois has been a 
great example of a, a program 

951
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,720
that's done this. 
You know, I think that you've 

952
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,840
got a couple of other examples 
of of this, but if you look at 

953
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,560
who has been the most effective 
in the Big 10 over the course of

954
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,200
the last several years, 
Wisconsin did it this year as 

955
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,600
well. 
Teams that focus on shooting, 

956
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,240
teams that focus on ball 
movement, teams that focus on 

957
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:18,600
exchange of players and being 
able to not lose a whole lot. 

958
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,400
They are able to win more games 
than they lose in this 

959
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,440
conference. 
I think USC actually kind of did

960
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,160
it a little bit this year at a 
lower level. 

961
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,240
Indiana is going to throw 
something out there that almost 

962
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,960
reminds me of, I mean, this is a
weird ass comp. 

963
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,920
I acknowledge it. 
It reminds me of what Joe Tiller

964
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,320
did in his first year as a 
Purdue football coach. 

965
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,360
Like he was like, we're never 
going to be able to compete with

966
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,440
the way our current structure is
against the Michigan's and the 

967
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,800
Ohio states. 
So let's do a completely 

968
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,800
different thing out there. 
And yeah, are we going to win a 

969
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,640
national title or win go to the 
Rose? 

970
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,280
We'll probably not. 
But can we get to a bowl? 

971
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,720
Can we? 
Can we win our rivalry games? 

972
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,440
And that's what happened. 
And it's set up this 5 or 6 year

973
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,640
string where they actually built
to the level they were, where 

974
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,720
they were a national contender. 
Indiana, I think can do that in 

975
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,840
basketball on a shorter time 
scale. 

976
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,680
Maybe it doesn't take the four 
years you're talking about, but 

977
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,120
Indiana's got to be viewed as a 
serious contender. 

978
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,120
And right now they're not viewed
as a serious contender I think 

979
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,000
by a lot of players out there. 
You know, it's a landing spot, 

980
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,240
it's not a destination. 
And you know, as Coach Tonsone 

981
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,640
points out, we had transfers 
from Stanford, Washington State,

982
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,840
Arizona and Illinois and did not
make the tournament last year. 

983
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,920
Well, that's what I like about 
this team is it's a lot of guys 

984
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,280
who seem to have a chip on their
shoulder. 

985
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,160
Not saying other guys didn't, 
but you know, a lot of a lot of 

986
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,800
players in this team played at a
lower level. 

987
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,080
They were under recruited. 
They, they probably feel like 

988
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,480
they're all, you know, Tom 
Brady, so to speak, like to the 

989
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,120
NFL drafts going on, like they 
all feel like they're getting 

990
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,480
jobbed and they're ready to show
and prove something. 

991
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,840
I, I like, I think, I do think 
if nothing else, this team is 

992
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,760
going to be one that people can 
rally behind 'cause that's 

993
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:55,960
something. 
The last couple years there's 

994
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,000
just been a disconnected feat. 
You know, that there hasn't been

995
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,200
the same connection with the 
fans and the teams. 

996
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,600
It does feel like a bunch of 
guys who have a chip on their 

997
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,280
shoulder who want to show that's
that's a real fun team to watch.

998
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:09,080
Yeah. 
I think it's funny too that 

999
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:14,920
there's there's been, you know, 
a lot of our shows just national

1000
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,920
folks talking about like Tucker 
Devries is completely overlooked

1001
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,600
on this roster. 
And he's a really. 

1002
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,600
Really not on the team. 
It's wild, you know? 

1003
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:24,760
Well, and the fact that you got 
regret, you're almost like, 

1004
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,800
well, that doesn't count. 
It's like, but it does like he 

1005
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,520
is going to play like he does 
count as a transfer and a 

1006
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,440
recruit, yes. 
And I mean like potential all 

1007
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,880
American level player, like 
very, very, very good player. 

1008
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,920
And like, because he's the 
coach's son, it's just like, 

1009
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,160
completely. 
Overlooked. 

1010
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,560
Yeah. 
As if it in the game, the refs 

1011
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:41,680
were like, those points don't 
count. 

1012
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,000
Like every coach's son points 
only count, you know, half a 

1013
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,400
percent or something. 
Yeah. 

1014
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:51,920
Look, this is I'm I'm excited. 
I'm not promising anything and 

1015
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,200
nobody should, but I think that 
as I said in one of the 

1016
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:01,640
emergency podcasts, we did enjoy
the building it everything is 

1017
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,920
possible right now. 
You know, I was looking at the 

1018
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,240
Torvic page for next year. 
You know where he'll he'll take 

1019
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:12,600
the the different projections 
into account and try to throw up

1020
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,880
what statistically it looks like
things are going to be. 

1021
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:23,520
And right now he's got IU 
projected at 31st in the country

1022
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,920
with the 23rd ranked offensive 
efficiency and the 42nd ranked 

1023
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,640
defensive efficiency. 
And that's what just. 

1024
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,000
Yeah, I mean, so, you know, 
you're in the same realm as, you

1025
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,160
know, several teams that you 
would consider contenders. 

1026
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,560
Indiana right now with the 
roster they've got is projected 

1027
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,600
higher than Arizona, higher than
Alabama, higher than, you know, 

1028
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,960
several team, Clemson, who, you 
know, obviously had a great year

1029
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,080
last year. 
Now, does that mean that's going

1030
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:48,760
to happen? 
No. 

1031
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,720
But the pieces statistically 
look good. 

1032
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,240
So enjoy that. 
Just just buy into that for now.

1033
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,160
And look, I think again, you 
have to almost dispense of 

1034
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,800
whatever you thought the roster 
should look like or what we've 

1035
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,480
gotten conditioned to it looking
like. 

1036
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:05,920
This is going to be a new 
system. 

1037
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,240
And look, I'll tell everybody 
this right now on May or on 

1038
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,240
April 25th, there's going to be 
growing pains. 

1039
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,640
There's going to be a couple of 
games probably early on where 

1040
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,080
like the team looks like they 
don't know them each other and 

1041
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,080
don't know what they're supposed
to be doing. 

1042
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,240
And then there'll be games where
they will blow somebody out. 

1043
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,760
This happened to Kentucky this 
year with a couple of games 

1044
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,480
early on where they went from, 
OK, this is a real bad idea to 

1045
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,360
wow, that team just did that. 
You know, I think this will be a

1046
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,560
building process. 
Someone mentioned the idea of a 

1047
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,680
summer tour that would help this
team coalesce. 

1048
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,240
I think that that's going to be 
a big part of it. 

1049
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,800
They're not going to have a long
on ramp because they've got some

1050
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,720
big games early on. 
The Marquette game is real early

1051
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,880
in the season. 
But to some degree, if they can 

1052
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,520
figure out how to click 
offensively and start to 

1053
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,160
coalesce defensively, this team 
looks like a grower to me. 

1054
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,560
One that is guys get more 
comfortable both with each other

1055
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,040
and the roles that they're 
playing. 

1056
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,680
They're going to be all right 
and maybe even a lot better than

1057
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,960
all right. 
And in a Big 10, that's all over

1058
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,320
the place right now in terms of 
styles of play. 

1059
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,280
I don't think it's a necessity 
that you have the big seven 

1060
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,360
footer or that you have a line 
up. 

1061
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,800
If you know, this gives Indiana 
for the first time the chance to

1062
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,040
shoot over a line up, that's 
just like we're not letting you 

1063
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,040
shoot anything from 18 feet in. 
Now Indiana is no longer 

1064
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,000
handcuffed to that. 
And as Tony Stuckey pointed out 

1065
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,640
in the chat, you know, you may 
not see A1 through 5 traditional

1066
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:27,840
lineup. 
You're almost certainly not 

1067
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,240
going to. 
This isn't a lineup that's going

1068
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,400
to be about can you ride the hot
hand? 

1069
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,240
Can you get the right players on
the floor on the right nights in

1070
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:39,680
the right matchups? 
It's a lot more complex than 

1071
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,520
just, you know, my team is on 
the floor and that's that. 

1072
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,120
That's going to be an 
interesting thing to watch with 

1073
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,760
this team. 
I hear all that and if anyone 

1074
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,760
you know was listening from the 
Devries coaching staff, I 

1075
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,440
understand about the growing 
pains. 

1076
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,880
Let's just not make it the first
game 20 point loss to Indiana 

1077
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,720
State at home. 
Like let's just make the growing

1078
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,120
pains something a little bit 
different. 

1079
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,400
Not I hear, I hear you. 
Just let's not, let's not have 

1080
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,440
that again. 
Yeah, that was that was the 

1081
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,600
beginning of the end. 
And and here we are eight years 

1082
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,720
later, it's still yeah. 
But yeah, it's it's it's an 

1083
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:16,680
exciting roster build, as Galen 
noted to it's, it's something to

1084
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,640
look forward to the the European
Tour, if that's going to happen,

1085
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,080
will be great for this team, not
only from a basketball 

1086
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,120
standpoint, but from just like a
team bonding and building 

1087
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,920
standpoint. 
Like that stuff matters. 

1088
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,400
That's where you build your 
culture. 

1089
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,680
And like, I know that's a 
buzzword that's probably 

1090
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,240
overused, but like, culture is 
something that's important. 

1091
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,680
And if your locker room's in a 
good spot, guys play for each 

1092
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,720
other, that that just changes 
the dynamic of the team. 

1093
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,640
And, and you can see it as a fan
too on the floor. 

1094
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,560
Teams that gel together and 
teams that don't really look 

1095
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,480
like they they care about one 
another. 

1096
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,240
It's it's not typically too hard
to to kind of figure out. 

1097
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:56,720
But but yeah, I'm I'm excited 
for what this roster is turning 

1098
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,280
into. 
And there's still a couple 

1099
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,680
pieces to go. 
And that's kind of the 

1100
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,560
interesting part now. 
But also it gives his staff a 

1101
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,680
little bit of time to breathe. 
I think start figuring out the 

1102
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,200
high school recruiting 
landscape. 

1103
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,640
You know, this season's going to
be very important for how 

1104
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,000
they're going to be able to 
recruit moving forward. 

1105
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,040
You know, that way they can say,
hey, we bought this guy in and 

1106
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,640
and we put him in these 
positions and and you know, 

1107
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,760
that's why Indiana couldn't land
a guy like Berlin Mullins. 

1108
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,720
They had no way to showcase how 
they could use a player of his 

1109
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,480
caliber. 
Well, now they're going to have 

1110
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,760
those opportunities to have guys
like Wilkerson and De Vries 

1111
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,080
where you can showcase high 
level talents, how they can be 

1112
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,840
used, run off screens, things 
like that. 

1113
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,040
And then you can land them and 
you've got a good INIL to to 

1114
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,680
sweeten the pot a bit as well. 
Indiana not done yet. 

1115
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,440
They'll be probably at least a 
couple more additions to the 

1116
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:45,760
roster. 
I will say there was a little 

1117
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,800
discussion about what the roster
limit is. 

1118
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,640
It's a little bit dependent on 
what happens with the house 

1119
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,120
settlement. 
But also keep in mind I I'd be 

1120
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:58,240
surprised if they carried more 
than 12 full time players 

1121
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:00,760
because at this point, what's 
the purpose? 

1122
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,800
Like, you know, the anybody 
who's willing to sit on the 

1123
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,400
bench, maybe not either not good
enough to play or might leave 

1124
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,640
after one year. 
And you really aren't playing 

1125
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,640
more 9 or 10 guys generally 
anyway. 

1126
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,520
And unless you got major injury 
issues. 

1127
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,600
And Indiana's got some 
flexibility with this roster 

1128
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,440
already that they haven't had in
previous year. 

1129
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,520
So we'll see. 
But I expect at least at least 

1130
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,880
one, maybe two more additions 
depending on what happens with 

1131
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,000
Goody. 
And it's going to be fascinating

1132
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,640
to see what direction they go 
with this as it's clear the one 

1133
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,400
piece that they still would like
to get. 

1134
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,000
And I've heard several names 
even the Tony didn't mention 

1135
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,880
here publicly that are 
possibilities as well. 

1136
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,480
So I think we'll see something 
on that soon. 

1137
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:38,840
Yeah. 
The thing about the the 

1138
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,000
scholarship limit too is I know 
they they're increasing that to 

1139
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,000
15. 
But once you go over 13, that 

1140
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,760
cuts into your Rev share. 
I can't imagine Indiana's going 

1141
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,560
to put two guys in the end of 
their bench to cut into revenue,

1142
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,520
revenue sharing for the other 12
or 13. 

1143
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,560
So I'd be shocked if they ever 
went over 13 because then it 

1144
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,480
starts cutting into revenue 
sharing for for your top 

1145
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,040
contributors. 
Yeah, anyway, I think we'll go 

1146
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:06,120
ahead and wrap up. 
Go ahead and separate. 

1147
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,120
Let's take the weekend, enjoy 
Little 5 and hopefully we'll 

1148
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,440
come back with more to talk 
about. 

1149
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,280
Go Pacers. 
Yeah 3 great first two games for

1150
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,800
the Pacers. 
You got to finish the finish 

1151
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,880
things off, but thanks to all of
you who tuned in live to listen 

1152
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,960
to us here on Friday, April 25th
as Indiana continues to add to 

1153
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,760
their roster for the 2526 
season. 

1154
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,920
Thank you to Tony Adronia and to
Scott Caulfield, you guys 

1155
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,080
answering the bell really filled
my heart today. 

1156
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,080
Thank you so much and we will 
look forward to chatting with 

1157
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,880
you all again soon. 
Be sure to tune into the back 

1158
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,200
Home network as we continue to 
cover IU football, IU basketball

1159
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,440
and other things related to 
Indiana University. 

1160
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,280
We'll catch you folks. 
On the flip side, stay never 

1161
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:45,840
daunted. 
Bring back the Bison. 

1162
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:46,480
So long, everybody.