1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,120 Hello everyone. Welcome back to the Women's 2 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:11,080 Basketball Podcast. It's been a while since we've 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,600 talked to you guys. Amanda and I took the week off 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,280 last week just due to our schedules, but we're not back 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,400 with one of the biggest episodes of the season. 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,360 Obviously a big game on Monday, but an even bigger one on 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,840 Thursday. Coming up to tomorrow, you know 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,840 the Iowa game, I Amanda, so it's a very big the Iowa game, it's 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,680 the Iowa game, huge implications for IU moving forward. 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,840 But as always, I mean, it's been a while since since we've talked 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,440 to our lovely fans. How are you doing? 12 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,920 What's new in life? Yeah, I'm. 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,000 I'm doing well. Like you said we took the week 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,960 off last week because we had the pleasure of going up to Indy and 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,320 working covering the NBA All Star game as part of our class 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,080 with Mike Wells. Shout out Mike, if you're 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,200 listening, you're not because you don't listen to podcast, but 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,280 if you are for some reason, you know, thank you. 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,440 But no, that was it was super great. 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,440 I'm doing well. I'm a little bit sick, so 21 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,560 apologies if you know anything gets picked up or I have to 22 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,760 clear my throat. It's going to happen. 23 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,400 But no, it's it's a beautiful day out. 24 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,720 It's a Wednesday. Wednesdays are good days in 25 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,720 general and a really, really exciting game coming up tomorrow 26 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,080 that everybody has been like counting down the days for since 27 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,920 they announced the date that it was happening in the fall. 28 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,600 So. So it's a huge day tomorrow, but 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,240 it's also a big day here for us. Because ladies and gentlemen 30 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,040 making his Crimson Cast debut, please give a warm welcome. 31 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,120 One of the best media school students and one of the finest 32 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,360 basketball minds in all of the land from Indianapolis IN. 33 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,440 The one, the only the notorious Zion. 34 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,160 ZB Brown, How are How are you? I feel? 35 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,120 Like I should have been like running out of the corner or 36 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,800 something. For this introduction, that was 37 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:52,400 my. Surprise to you. 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,240 That was my surprise. That was my surprise. 39 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,120 Hey, man, I appreciate. It if you get an intro like 40 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,560 that. Well, you're my partner. 41 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:01,320 I'll I'll get you next week, don't worry. 42 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,680 You know, you know where your, like, friends come over and your 43 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,200 and your mom like turned into a completely different person. 44 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,360 That's Kevin right now. Shout out to Bruce Buffer for 45 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,440 for the inspiration. I wanted to give you a nice 46 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,840 little introduction, but yeah, Zion Browns. 47 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,120 On the podcast with us today, Zion is junior, like I said from 48 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,280 Indianapolis IN. Writer for the indie star. 49 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,680 Also Co sports director over at WIOX. 50 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:25,960 So, yeah, Welcome, Zion. It's good to have you. 51 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,360 It's great to be on, you know. You know, I thought it would 52 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,360 never happen because of Amanda over here shutting down my 53 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,320 dreams and hopes and aspirations, but. 54 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,720 I didn't. For the record, that has not 55 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,040 ever once happened, but. I'm glad to be here though. 56 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Yeah, yeah, we obviously, I said one of the finest basketball 57 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,480 minds in all of the land. And I truly mean that Zion is, 58 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,400 is a great basketball mind. And I mean, he's here to help us 59 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,160 sort of breakdown what happened at Illinois. 60 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,000 So let's, you know, get right into it. 61 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,440 It was, to put it bluntly, just a bad loss for Indiana. 62 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,720 They suffered their fourth loss of the season Monday afternoon, 63 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,880 86 to 66 to the Illini. It was just a tough game, tough 64 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,040 game. Indiana had the lead with 19 65 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,200 seconds remaining in the first quarter, but then Illinois got 66 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,440 it back and never looked back. They go on and get the 20 point 67 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,160 win it snaps. A16 game win streak for Indiana 68 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,240 over Illinois and for Illinois it's the biggest margin of 69 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,040 victory over a ranked opponent since 1998. 70 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,600 A very big win for them considering where they're at in 71 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:34,480 the season just battling 500 and big win or I should say a big 72 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,520 loss for Indiana just because of the implications of where we are 73 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,280 currently in the standings and and where the season is going. 74 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,280 Look, I mean, to be honest, Indiana looks disconnected on 75 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,440 every level. So, yeah, I mean, I'll start off 76 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,680 with this Zion, we talked about it before, before today. 77 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,560 It's just, I mean, Illinois ability to go to the basket was 78 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,040 just the key to this game. It it sure was. 79 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,080 Indiana had no answer at the point of attack for for whatever 80 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,440 Illinois had coming downhill. And mainly it was Makara Cook, 81 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,560 who is one of the more underrated players in the Big 82 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,720 10. She had another big game against 83 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,520 the Hoovers, 22 points this go round and whether it was her 84 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,839 getting all the way to the Cup and finishing, whether it's 85 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,440 dropping it off to a big big or whether it was getting to the 86 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,040 free throw line, which Illinois had 24 free throw attempts in 87 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,320 that game, she just could not be stopped. 88 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:25,560 She had none of those free throw attempts. 89 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,080 She couldn't be stopped and the Hoosiers just were not able to 90 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,640 to halt the penetration, whether that was from the big or or up 91 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,720 top and and that's the big reason why Illinois won this one 92 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,880 handily. Yeah, Terry talked about it 93 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,480 after the game. And I'll go to you, Amanda. 94 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,720 It's just something that we we've talked about and I think 95 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,400 this was the biggest point is point of separation in the game 96 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,160 is Mackenzie did not look great defensively in this one. 97 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,960 She just got a lot of the times beat and Terry talked about it, 98 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,360 how there was really no protection at the rim. 99 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,160 And I mean I mean from I mean Zion just told us what he saw. 100 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,160 What did you see in the loss? There was a lot of frustration 101 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,280 all around and you could tell almost from the beginning. 102 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,160 Not I don't. Not quite. 103 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,240 Because in the beginning it seemed like Mackenzie especially 104 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,040 was being was. She was able to get around 105 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Illinois until they adjusted to her a little bit more, but as 106 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,720 the game went on, it was one of those games that doesn't really 107 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,000 happen a lot for Indiana where you can see on their faces how 108 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,640 upset they are and how frustrated they are. 109 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,800 And you can see it from Terry Moran and you can see it from 110 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,800 the bench, just whether it was the the foul calls and the 111 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,080 refereeing, because that obviously played a part in the 112 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,480 the emotions of the game. At least a little bit. 113 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,680 You could see towards the end how Mackenzie Holmes would get, 114 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,040 would get frustrated about some of the foul calls and whatnot, 115 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,080 but it was something about the when Illinois has played Indiana 116 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,880 this year piece both times and you talked about Mackayra Cook 117 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,480 being undergraded and I've been kind of on Illinois. 118 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,760 We talked about this last time they played in the preseason. 119 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,760 They were expected to be really good and both, both at the 120 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:56,480 beginning. Of the. 121 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,920 Year both times that Illinois has played Indiana, we've seen 122 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,000 that team that people have expected to see something about. 123 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,400 Indiana brings it out in a way. You know, when you have players 124 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,160 like Mackayra Cook coming out and playing some of their best 125 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,680 basketball and so that was another thing. 126 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,680 It was like there there was something about it and you know, 127 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,520 they were at home and I don't want to. 128 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,480 It was a Monday, 2:00 PM tip. So it's not like the crowd would 129 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,880 have been like a fantastic environment. 130 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,320 But that that's another thing to consider. 131 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,600 It was just it was a like you said it was a disjointed game 132 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,960 kind of all around. And there was not, I don't know, 133 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,560 they never really rallied when they have in the past. 134 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,200 And that, you know, you go down by, you lose by 20 points, 135 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,560 you're you're missing something. And unfortunately, you know, 136 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,000 they they were missing a lot in that game. 137 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,960 Yeah, I just wanted to jump in and and say like, I think the 138 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,200 reason Illinois kind of comes into the game and to this game 139 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,880 and even the one earlier in January or it was New Year's Eve 140 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,560 rather with the mentality that can that they can beat Indiana 141 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,760 is not because I don't think this team necessarily. 142 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,440 Maybe they do, I don't know, maybe I don't think they think 143 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,840 they're better than Indiana is. But I think they look at it and 144 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:04,560 they say you cannot guard us in the way that we play. 145 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:07,480 And so you know you have those games where you know this 146 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,360 Illinois team, they may not think that against Ohio State or 147 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,120 or Iowa or any of the other Big 10, you know, teams that are 148 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,280 have better records than them. But they look at Indiana and 149 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,000 they say they really just cannot stop us getting to the pain and 150 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,200 and getting to the center of the lane. 151 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,440 And so you come in with that conference, they've they've 152 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,160 played two close games with IU, one innocently Hall last year, 153 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,760 one this year where they've been able to say OK, we were there 154 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,480 near the end and then they come in this one and they just blow 155 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:32,960 Indiana way starting with the 2nd. 156 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,040 Quarter, right. Well, Indiana has a specific way 157 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,840 of playing on both ends of the floor and when you have a team 158 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,440 like Illinois who can adjust to that and learn from it and and 159 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,640 improve, then that's that's something that Indiana's going 160 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:51,360 to struggle to to go up against. The thing with me is it just 161 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,600 looked like from the beginning really it just never looked like 162 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,520 it was Indiana's day. They they they had to find 163 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,400 couple first minutes, right. It wasn't necessarily from the 164 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,680 start, but just, I mean from the first quarter you could tell 165 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,480 Indiana wasn't wasn't there completely and you know, 166 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,480 Mackenzie didn't have the greatest performance. 167 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,080 Defensively, I would say Chloe Moore. 168 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,640 McNeil was also taken out of the game. 169 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,000 She's been on a hot streak the past what, 5-6, seven games. 170 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,480 But this is the first game in a while where she hasn't really 171 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,120 been as much of a factor as Indiana would like. 172 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,880 She had seven points, right, but she just wasn't necessarily all 173 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,920 there. And the guard, I think the guard 174 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,720 play was also, I mean we talk about the attacking the rim for 175 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,400 Illinois, but also it's just they, the guard play for 176 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,320 Illinois was a lot better, right? 177 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,799 And I didn't see this until after the game. 178 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:44,720 But Austin render the voice of Indiana women's basketball. 179 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,000 He does like, I think it's called Austin's analysis before 180 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,120 every game. But that was what he touched on. 181 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,520 He he touched on just the guards being the biggest factor in this 182 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:54,840 game. So I look. 183 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,480 I mean, it was, it was, it was one of those games where it was 184 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,200 such a weird game to watch, because not only was it a rare 185 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,480 loss, but it was a lot of rare mistakes by Indiana. 186 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,920 There was a lot of times where they turned over the ball just 187 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,640 whether on fouls or they just like they the the passes weren't 188 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:15,960 there. They were turning over the ball 189 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,120 with offensive fouls, defensive fouls. 190 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,960 They were just disconnected, to put it simply. 191 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,280 Yeah, and to me on offense, when you look at this Indiana team 192 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,880 and the issue in this game, you go 6 or 20 from three and I I 193 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,560 tweeted about this a little bit after the game. 194 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:32,440 But this is AIU team that is first in the country in 195 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,880 effective field goal percentage and a lot of that is because 196 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,600 they take a lot of threes pretty much, pretty much this year for 197 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,080 Indiana, their shots are coming from three or they've been 198 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,560 Mackenzie Holmes who's over 60% just right at the hoop. 199 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,280 The issue with that is when you take away the mid range, the 200 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,200 margin of error just disappears. Basically if if you're not 201 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,480 making those threes it disappears and and that's where 202 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,200 you know Grace Berger was so important the last few years but 203 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,720 Indiana doesn't have any player that can go into the mid range 204 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,320 and create those shots. You know they're they're playing 205 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,960 this style of basketball that the analytics people champion 206 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,320 and and I get it it is the most efficient way to play but when 207 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,840 the cookie crumbles and you just need a basket it gets tough. 208 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,440 It gets you know it, it gets scary because you don't have 209 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,080 that person you can say just knock down a 12 footer for us, 210 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,040 go just get a a 1518 footer shot for us and and get that to go. 211 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,840 And so that's the that's the problem with this Indiana team 212 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,560 when it comes to games like this and you know, these big games 213 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:28,360 where they get behind or they just need to stop a run, is that 214 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,320 they can't do. That to your point, I think this 215 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:36,880 is the biggest game where we have seen sort of the absence of 216 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,640 Grace Burger. This was the game where you kind 217 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,960 of watch and you're like Dang well OK this is where this is 218 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,120 where Grace shined the past couple years. 219 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,880 Not, I mean look she's a professional she, I mean there's 220 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,960 very few players in the country that lived in the in the mid 221 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,280 range area like the way that she did when she played. 222 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,480 But yeah, I mean I 100% agree with that too. 223 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,920 I mean you're just playing either on the outside or right 224 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,000 under the basket which can work and has worked. 225 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,760 Look, let's not just spread to Indiana here. 226 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,720 I mean, it's only their fourth loss of the season. 227 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,760 But. Still, they just looked very, 228 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,720 very exposed on Monday. And it's not like you need Grace 229 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,360 Berger. You just need somebody. 230 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,760 It. Doesn't have to be. 231 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,480 A WBA level. Player You need somebody to just 232 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,720 make shots more consistently than they have been because 233 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,720 we've seen it from people that like, you know, they can shoot 234 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,800 the mid range, but they can't do it efficiently enough for it to 235 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,360 be a reliable way of scoring. Well and the thing about the mid 236 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,880 range is you have to to get there. 237 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,680 You have to create a shots exactly. 238 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:38,840 And nobody on this team, you know you see that occasionally 239 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,360 from Colleen Moore, McNeil but but nobody on this team can 240 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,200 really just consistently I'm going to you know have a tight 241 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,600 ball handle get to my spot and. Fire, right? 242 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,680 Yeah. And and it's it's just 243 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:55,280 frustrating because I don't know I felt like Terry was I I hadn't 244 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,280 seen Terry as disappointed in a while right And and it's just 245 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,560 there was a clear disappointment. 246 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,440 Well, you can stomach losses to ranked teams, but you get this 247 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,720 one is a lot harder to kind of process. 248 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,920 Just from a the wide perspective of like this is an unranked team 249 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,440 in the middle of the big time. You're in, you're the number 14 250 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,000 team in the country and you just got beat and you got beat pretty 251 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,840 bad. And I I hate to get like, to say 252 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,800 this as if there's not plenty of season left to play this year. 253 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,240 But this was maybe one of the first moments, the first games 254 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,200 where I was watching the middle of this game. 255 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,640 And I just thought to myself, like, what is this supposed to 256 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,600 look like next next year? You know, it's like. 257 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:32,960 There was a lot of time for that. 258 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,800 Who are you supposed to turn to? Like what's the goal? 259 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,080 What's the plan going forward? Obviously there's still so much 260 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,000 left to be decided in the 2024 season, but I just, that was 261 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,760 just something in the back of my head as I was watching the 262 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,320 Illinois game. Like, I don't. 263 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,560 I don't really know what there's still what there is to look 264 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:49,840 forward to that that is currently on the roster now. 265 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,720 I want to also bring up a point, the rebounds. 266 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,880 Look, I I, I understand rebounding numbers are are not 267 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,320 always the best indicators of how the game went. 268 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,520 And I, I know coaches really don't like that when you ask 269 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,960 about, you know, rebounding, especially after the game. 270 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,920 But Illinois, I rebounded Indiana by 4:30 to 26, but there 271 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,040 was just times in the game where I was like nobody's following 272 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,920 the ball off the basket, off the off the glass. 273 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,520 And it goes back to what I was saying earlier, just I think the 274 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,720 post play for Indiana in this game was a little worrisome, 275 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,600 just moving ahead. Look, Lily Meister is only a 276 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,720 sophomore and she's a player that they're trying to develop. 277 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,600 And so somebody like Mackenzie Holmes potentially, right? 278 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,840 I mean, she's her own player, but like when you're playing 279 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,080 against a player, an all American at the same position or 280 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,240 you're playing with a player like that, you're going to 281 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,640 obviously pick up a few things from her. 282 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,880 But I mean, Lily and Mackenzie just looked. 283 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,360 They just were two or three steps behind throughout the 284 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,880 entire day and rebounding was Shawna Green touched on it after 285 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,920 how happy she was for how her team did on the glass. 286 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,840 And I I it's just I was a little bit shocked with the way this 287 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,200 game played out. Again, it was a it was a game 288 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,640 that I it was just rare for Indiana to lose in this type of 289 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,400 fashion. But I don't know. 290 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,080 I don't know. Yeah, well, and disappointing 291 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,320 too, because, you know, the one of the bigger pieces of news 292 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,600 going into it at least was that Sydney Parish was going to be 293 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,640 back and that, you know, nobody knew where she was at 294 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,320 necessarily. And I think we kind of saw that 295 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,200 maybe this wasn't the game to bring her back for because she 296 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,640 didn't really look on top of it a lot of the times. 297 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,600 And there was, I think some there was, I noticed 298 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,760 miscommunication or like lack of adjustment, just she was wide 299 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,400 open on the perimeter calling for the ball and nobody was 300 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,680 like, look, I remember I think Yarden had the ball and Sydney 301 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:50,920 was calling for it on the perimeter. 302 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,560 She was wide open and there was just no pass there because I 303 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,800 Yarden didn't realize that she was there or something like 304 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,080 that. And so it was. 305 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,400 Because for the last few weeks, that's been Lexus bargain. 306 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:00,960 So you're like. I'm not passing. 307 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,160 For the ball in the corner. Yeah, right, exactly. 308 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,440 And so that I noticed that kind of that stood out as another 309 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,960 thing that was like, OK, this is just another thing that's not 310 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,800 really going right for them right now. 311 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,600 And this, this is something that they're going to need to figure 312 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,520 out. Like immediately, if you're 313 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,720 going to have Sydney Parish back against Iowa, she's going to 314 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,440 need to be a whole lot more productive than she was against 315 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,360 Illinois. Thank you for bringing that up 316 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,360 because I I forgot to put it. You're welcome in the sheet. 317 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,480 But I was also curious just to see how much she was playing. 318 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,560 She only played six minutes throughout the game and it was 319 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,760 clear that that they wanted to feel it out with her. 320 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,200 See how she responded when she touched the court again. 321 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,440 But like you said, she just didn't not necessarily look 322 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,120 ready and and that leaves a big question mark for tomorrow 323 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,600 night, right? Like, what do you do with her? 324 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:49,320 Do you push the limit in arguably a must win game or do 325 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,560 you again just see how she responds? 326 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:52,880 I don't know. I mean, that's a conversation 327 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,600 that they're having right now probably, but. 328 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,440 You you have to think about the Big 10 tournament and the NCAA 329 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,640 tournament and like everything like that because like by no 330 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,680 means is Indiana out of anything. 331 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,440 And so that like you said, you know how much do you push her 332 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,120 and how much do you, I guess for lack of a better term, save her 333 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,520 for for post season play or for a little bit further down the 334 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,520 road. Because like you, the worst 335 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,600 thing that would happen, what you absolutely don't want to 336 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,520 happen is that she goes out and she plays really hard against 337 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,200 Iowa and then she re aggravates something or she gets hurt again 338 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,880 and then you're out and like you're you're down one of your 339 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,080 starters again and then you probably even in a worse 340 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,480 situation than you were beforehand. 341 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,160 So it's there's a lot to consider that I'm glad I don't 342 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,160 have to think about, honestly, because that's a lot. 343 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,560 I don't. I don't know where Sydney Parish 344 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,560 is kind of like percentage wise or what percentage she's at, but 345 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,920 this does remind me of Mackenzie Holmes two seasons ago when she 346 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,200 she banged up her knee in in late January, early February. 347 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,960 I don't know the exact dates, but then she came back and and 348 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,200 she, you know, she was fine. She's still a great player, but 349 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,120 you could tell it's just like this is not 100% Mackenzie 350 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,120 Holmes. But she's just. 351 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,160 But they need her. But yeah, she's out there going 352 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,040 through it and and that's that's what this reminds me of. 353 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,079 As of right now, I don't know if Sydney Paris will recover to 354 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:11,440 100% by the time this season ends, but it doesn't feel like 355 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,000 that's where this is going, yeah. 356 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:17,800 Yeah, I mean, I I think, I mean, we'll see you come Thursday. 357 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,560 But I mean, what would you guys do? 358 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,800 I mean, I, I, I, I I don't know. They say like the. 359 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,120 The reason I ask that is because after this loss Iowa is a must 360 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:31,040 win. I think tomorrow, tomorrow I was 361 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,520 if you. Want to host in the. 362 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,800 Tournament, you guys just about to bring that up that because of 363 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,720 the loss they're now outside. I mean, they're projected to 364 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,600 finish a fifth seed, which means that they won't be hosting. 365 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,840 And right now if they were to stay at that fifth seed, they 366 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,400 would be going to Syracuse and playing over there. 367 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,440 So look, I think you got to be Iowa at least once, right? 368 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,680 If you're not, if you don't do it Thursday, tomorrow night, you 369 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,000 do it in the tournament, in the Big 10 tournament. 370 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,680 If you match up against them or if you go on and and play in the 371 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,920 tournament championship, I I just don't know. 372 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,760 But yeah, I mean Sidney's pair, Sidney's injury is something 373 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,640 that that really, really as I didn't think it was going to be. 374 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:16,160 Obviously it's big when you lose a starter, but I didn't think it 375 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,000 would impact the team in the way that it has, right? 376 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,720 It it's impacted the line up a lot more than I think even 377 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,440 again, I don't want to speak for anybody on the team, but I think 378 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,080 that a lot of people even on the team sort of didn't realize. 379 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,280 Yeah, and I don't know if people knew then. 380 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,760 This is kind of just speculation on my end, but I don't know if 381 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,720 anybody really knew how long she was going to be out for. 382 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,080 Yeah, when it first happened, I feel like it was not there. 383 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,960 There was a level of uncertainty that there was like, OK, well, 384 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,080 we just wait a few weeks and she'll come back and she'll be 385 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,320 fine or something like that. Like it wasn't like a an earth 386 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,760 shattering, like, Oh my gosh, we don't have Sydney Paris, sorry. 387 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,480 And we won't have her for like a month and 1/2 or whatever it is, 388 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,000 you know? And so I think that has also 389 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,240 played a part in it is like the mental aspect of just like 390 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,800 here's another game where we're not going to have somebody to 391 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,960 rely on and we have to figure it out. 392 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,640 And that's hard. That takes a toll on everybody 393 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,200 in the program to to lose somebody like that and for 394 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,600 everybody else to know that they have to step up consistently and 395 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,280 not knowing when they're going to be able to kind of go back to 396 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,040 what they were doing because they were, they were very 397 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,240 successful when Sydney was playing, obviously. 398 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,600 And so to to not have any sort of certainty if that was the 399 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,880 case for them is I can imagine it takes a toll on everybody. 400 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,600 Yeah, to me it's just very concerning. 401 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:42,240 The fact that basically even even with sidneye injury that 402 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,720 the team has no faith or the coach. 403 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,600 Dad doesn't seem to have any real trust in their young 404 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,960 players. That you know, you you're 405 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,920 looking at this box score and you know, Lily Meister played 9 406 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,000 minutes because obviously she played the 9 minutes that 407 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,200 Mackenzie Holmes wasn't in the game. 408 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,000 But then nobody else played more than six off the bench. 409 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,800 And you know, it's hard to have a team and say, especially when 410 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,840 you know, you're going through a long, grueling season, we only 411 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,880 have six players that we actually trusted. 412 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:09,200 I mean, Kevin, I know you're a Kansas men's basketball fan and 413 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,960 that's been their big day. They have like 4, right? 414 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,920 It's it's so like, I mean, you know, so like it's like you you 415 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:19,480 need a good at least seven, you know, ideally maybe like 9 that 416 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,920 you can actually trust in that. You know, any given game, if 417 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,880 something goes, you know, a certain way, they can play 15 or 418 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,560 20 minutes or more. And this team just does not have 419 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,800 that at all. If you go back to the 2122. 420 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,120 Season, so you said two years ago? 421 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,080 Yeah, two years ago, where they were two years ago. 422 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,120 That's why they lost. I mean it was, it was a veteran 423 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:38,560 team, a team that had a lot of leadership. 424 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,160 I mean, Nicole Cardano, Hillary Alexis School Bay, Allie 425 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,840 Patberg, Grace, obviously and then Mackenzie. 426 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:48,120 I mean, there was a team that was very well built only through 427 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,920 the starting five. If you go off of it, they didn't 428 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,600 really have anybody and that's the reason why they lost to 429 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,440 UConn. That's sort of the reason why 430 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,120 their season ended. And to be quite honest, that's 431 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:03,480 kind of been one of the few points of criticism for Terry 432 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,240 Morin's teams this past couple years that she just hasn't built 433 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,520 been able to build a team that has 8-9 players that can 434 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,240 actually see the floor and be productive at any given moment, 435 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,360 right. It's usually just been the 436 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:19,120 starting 5 and that's it, yeah. Well, and the hopes were high, I 437 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,760 think this season and even last season, because she was talking 438 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,200 about how she was more confident in her younger players and at 439 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,960 the beginning of the season she seemed more confident in them by 440 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,520 a long shot. And it's just as the season has 441 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,360 progressed and as the team has kind of grown into itself this 442 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:38,920 year, it's it's becoming clearer that you can't really rely on 443 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,240 the younger players to to play the kind of basketball that 444 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,920 unfortunately I think they need to be playing. 445 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:48,240 You know Kevin, Kevin and we've talked about this when you bring 446 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,040 in Lily Meister to for Mackenzie Holmes who puts up 20 plus 447 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,440 points in pretty much every single game. 448 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,440 You need more than two points in eight minutes from from somebody 449 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,200 like Lily. Like you need her on defense and 450 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,880 she's she's grown up a lot on defense. 451 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,120 But you you need that scoring to come off your bench and that's 452 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:06,000 something that Indiana really just doesn't have. 453 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,280 And they can't really rely on their bench players to score, it 454 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,160 seems like. Yeah, and look it it's it's 455 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,640 weird though because like you look at this, you you look at 456 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,480 the bench, right? And you have two freshmen, 457 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,800 Julianna Lamendol and Lenae Beaumont. 458 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,840 And then you have Lily Meister, who who had a productive 459 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,920 freshman season, especially towards the end of the year. 460 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,240 For a freshman coming. For a freshman, exactly. 461 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,400 But then it's just it's again, it's just there's no, there's 462 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,920 not a lot of depth to this team. I mean, Lily Meister can only do 463 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,520 so much, but she also, I mean like you touched on it, she only 464 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,920 gave you two points in 9 minutes. 465 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,760 But also you're playing your your first option on the bench 466 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,560 is only playing 9 minutes. Yeah, that. 467 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,840 I mean, what does that, what does that tell you? 468 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,400 And by the way, I think we talked about McKenzie Holmes's 469 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,800 injuries. I think if McKenzie Holmes is 470 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,480 someone who just had been healthy her whole college 471 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,120 career, she's not Newly meister's not even playing 9 472 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:02,240 minutes because Mackenzie Holmes would be playing 35 minutes like 473 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,520 the rest of the starting lineup does. 474 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,000 The only reason she does it is because they are preserving her 475 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,480 and her knee, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 476 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,280 No, that's a great point. It's just and. 477 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,720 And here's The thing is is OK. I mean, what is it today, 478 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,280 February 21st? It gets you through at least a 479 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,080 good portion of the season, right? 480 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,680 But when it comes to tournament time, when it comes to post 481 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,960 season play, that's one of the biggest flaws. 482 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,720 I mean, when you look at national champions, men's, 483 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,360 women's, basketball, it doesn't matter. 484 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,000 It has to be a team that you can trust. 485 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,000 The 8th man, you know what I mean? 486 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,760 Because there's always going to be just one game, you know if 487 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,760 you're talking about making a deep run where you just or do 488 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,840 you just need that from somebody you're not expecting. 489 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,560 And and right now Indiana is just you know which six players 490 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,480 and really which five until we really see Sydney Paris fully 491 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,960 back integrated. You know which five players you 492 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,480 know you're you're scheming against, basically on the other 493 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,000 side. Yeah, and not only that, and and 494 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,160 this is not a shot at LEXIS Bargester at all, but she's, 495 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,520 she's other starting five, but she's not really a scorer. 496 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,400 I mean, you can't trust her to score the basket. 497 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,400 I mean, she's there to dig, to direct traffic and pass the ball 498 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,960 around. But she's not going to give you. 499 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,960 I mean, she gave you six points against Illinois, but really, I 500 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,120 mean she'll give you what? I don't know what she's 501 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:17,480 averaging, but she'll give you 4 Max on any given night. 502 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,640 So I mean, you only really have four players on the floor that 503 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,280 can give you 10 plus points. I mean, it's not a recipe for 504 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,720 success. But anyway, so Indiana loses 86 505 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,880 to 66, their fourth loss of their season. 506 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,040 Really tough one, really tough loss all. 507 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,520 It's going to have huge implications throughout the rest 508 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,000 of the season. But now on to the biggest game 509 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,840 of the year. Obviously everybody's been 510 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,120 talking about it, everybody's been marking down the days on 511 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,320 their calendar, but it's Iowa week tomorrow. 512 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,280 The hot guys coming to Assembly Hall obviously. 513 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,680 Last time the hot guys play the game, it was against Michigan 514 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,240 when Caitlin Clark took over the all time scoring record and also 515 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,720 recorded a career high 49 points. 516 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,240 Last time the teams met, obviously, was in Iowa City when 517 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,320 they lost. When Indiana lost 84 to 57 on 518 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,360 January 13th. Amanda, we were all actually, we 519 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,040 were all going to go. But yeah, it's just the weather. 520 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:14,760 Bad weekend. Mother Nature. 521 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,840 Mother Nature did not allow it. But I know it's going to be, 522 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,240 what, 55° here? Yeah, it's going to be nice. 523 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,400 So, but yeah, look, obviously one of the biggest games of the 524 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,560 year and now even more so with the the Illinois loss. 525 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,280 But I guess, I mean what should we expect from Indiana? 526 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,280 What? I mean, it's difficult because 527 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,520 you're coming off a very hard loss. 528 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,120 You were kind of hoping that Sydney Parish would be back for 529 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,520 this one. Well, she's probably going to 530 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,400 play a little bit, but she's going to be very limited unless 531 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,480 something crazy happened in these past couple days. 532 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,320 But Indiana right now, I know. I know. 533 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,720 We usually save this Amanda for after we talk about the game. 534 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,040 But if you ask me who I think wins tomorrow, I think it's 535 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,120 Iowa. I agree I plain and simple 536 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,480 straight. Into the picks. 537 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,480 Yeah, we don't usually do this, but this is we're going a 538 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,880 different route. I I would lean towards Iowa as 539 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,360 well as Iowa. Unfortunately, that's kind of 540 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:18,320 like the basis for my for my reasoning. 541 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,840 But we we know what Iowa is capable of and we saw what they 542 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,120 were capable of when they played Indiana last time. 543 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,360 Not just Caitlin Clark, but everybody else. 544 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,280 Molly Davis had a great game. Kate Martin had a great game. 545 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,040 You know, people they're, I was stagged. 546 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,720 I was really, really good. And they're the kind of team 547 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,680 that I think kind of similar to Indiana. 548 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,880 They feed off of each other. But The thing is, is that they 549 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,040 really, they always have Caitlin Clark to feed off of, whereas 550 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,280 Indiana sometimes doesn't have that one person but you they 551 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:51,920 like. That is that is a team who has a 552 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,200 leader on and off the court who is going to give you a spark 553 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,200 every single game in some fashion, like in some fashion or 554 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,160 in every way. And so I think you know, you you 555 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,080 think about them coming in to Assembly Hall into what is 556 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,480 essentially going to be a sell out. 557 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,680 I think is if it's not officially a sell out, that's 558 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,000 what the general consensus is. It's going to be probably the 559 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,200 best crowd of the season. People are going to be into it 560 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,920 because there's a it's a rivalry and people don't like Iowa, 561 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,520 people don't like Caitlin Clark. So that it's going to be a, it's 562 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,880 going to be a tough crowd. And so in some ways, you know, 563 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,880 that would sway it in favor of Indiana. 564 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,160 But I was no stranger to playing in front of these kind of 565 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,480 crowds. And because I've done it before 566 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,280 and they've, they've come away with the win against whatever 567 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,440 team they're playing. And I think when you have 568 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,200 somebody like Caitlin Clark to feed off of so consistently, who 569 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,080 loves playing in those big environments and knowing where 570 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,560 Indiana is at in their season and knowing the differences in 571 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,440 the mentalities of these teams is it's really hard to say that 572 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,720 Indiana's going to be able to pull this one out for me. 573 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,640 Yeah it's just it's just I don't know I I think a lot of things 574 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,400 internally have to change in order to to get this win. 575 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:10,160 I mean the last game against Iowa was it was not pretty at 576 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:10,760 all. It was. 577 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,200 It was. It's weird because the four 578 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,720 losses that they've had have kind of been pretty similar. 579 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:21,200 Just blow out losses 20 points plus where the post players got 580 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,800 speed up and Indiana got speed up as a whole and and whatnot. 581 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,720 But I mean look, if you look at the numbers, last time these two 582 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,040 teams met, Caitlin Clark had 30 points, 11 assists, 5 rebounds, 583 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,560 20 for 21 from the field and then six for 16 from three. 584 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,760 Typical performance from Caitlin Clark. 585 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,400 Which is crazy to say, You know, did she? 586 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,240 Start like was it like over five or something for three, I 587 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,760 remember. She's over 5 or over six. 588 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,080 She's. Gonna buy a three in the first 589 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,040 quarter and then like somewhere in the middle of the second 590 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,800 quarter she just couldn't. She just slipped. 591 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,360 Yeah. And which? 592 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,840 Is that always happens? Yeah, and it it's it, it was 593 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,680 another game where the guard play wasn't necessarily there 594 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,720 for Indiana. You needed more production from 595 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,040 your guards and it was a tough one for Sarah Scalia and yarding 596 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,680 Arizona. Also, we talked about it how 597 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,240 Indiana's typically a very good 3 point shooting team, but they 598 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,720 only shot 5 for 20 in that game. From deep it it it was just a 599 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,360 game that really Indiana never found its footing. 600 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,720 Indiana never really got into a groove. 601 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,680 And again, that's kind of been the theme in the four losses. 602 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,840 You know it's crazy to talk about the team in the way that 603 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,960 we are considering they're only four losses in, but it's just 604 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,920 with Iowa and especially Ohio State this year credit to them 605 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,800 they're they've you know turned it up a lot lately. 606 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,080 You you have to play near perfect and now because of the 607 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,640 Illinois loss you're you're you're getting pinned up in a 608 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,200 corner and and time is running out. 609 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,920 There's only three games left. Well and it it's not to say that 610 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,040 Indiana can't bounce back from bad losses because they have 611 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,160 every single time they've they've lost those other three 612 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,280 games. But they weren't going out and 613 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,680 playing a team like Iowa right after that. 614 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,880 And so in like in theory like the way that I, I look at it, 615 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,760 You know, I don't want to say that Indiana's not going to be 616 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,200 able to to come back and and regroup after the Illinois loss 617 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,600 because I I fully believe that they will. 618 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,520 But I don't know if they're going to be able to do it fully 619 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,760 enough for Thursday to to be able to come out and and get a 620 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,600 win in the way that they have come out and gotten big wins 621 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,880 after big losses because it's Iowa. 622 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,080 Yeah, it's. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a 623 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,400 really a really good way to put it. 624 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,400 I mean, it's just Iowa. I mean, it's Iowa, been one of 625 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,840 the top teams for the past couple years and and you know, 626 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,080 it's when you have the best player in the country on your 627 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,720 team, right? You're always going to be 628 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,800 favored in some sort of way, right? 629 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,360 But Zion, I wanted to ask you sort of a technical question 630 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,320 about just Caitlin Clark. And I mean, what makes her so 631 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,000 good? What allows her to be such an 632 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,560 effective player? I mean, she's averaging 30 plus 633 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,880 points a game. I mean, we've never seen a 634 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,560 player like this really in college basketball as a whole. 635 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,280 But I mean, in your eyes, I guess, what is it about her 636 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,120 style of play that allows her to be so such an impactful player? 637 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,920 I think everybody focuses on the shooting, and rightfully so, but 638 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,840 when I watch her, she is one of the fastest players with the 639 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,480 ball in her hands that I've ever seen. 640 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,280 Like I think without the ball in her hands you get. 641 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,920 You put her in a race and there's a decent amount of 642 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,760 players that could beat her, but actually functionally dribbling 643 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,240 the ball and and moving as quickly as she does it, it's 644 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,760 ridiculous. I don't know how she does it 645 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,560 because she she and I know part of it is her, her how long she 646 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,480 is. She's 61, I think 6 feet, 6-1 647 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,920 maybe. So that's taller than than your 648 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,120 average point guard especially in college basketball and and 649 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,160 she just gets downhill. And so the fact that she could 650 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,160 do that and then the fact that she could just step back on you 651 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,920 or or shoot a three just right in front of you whenever you 652 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,920 know it, it is you know just something we we don't really see 653 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,600 a lot. And so I think that's what makes 654 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,320 her so special. And that's what the challenge 655 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,160 is, is figuring out, oh, and then by the way, she's just the 656 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,800 best passer in college basketball. 657 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,600 Yeah, it's. Like by the way, it's. 658 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,640 Just like very a very complete player, especially when you talk 659 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,800 about with the ball in her hands. 660 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,120 So, I mean, I just, it's all of those things combined, but the 661 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,840 the ball handle and the way that she gets to the rim is just 662 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,840 really special. Her court awareness and her 663 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,560 ability to see pathways, whether it's for herself or for her 664 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,160 teammates, if she's able to get them the ball is astounding 665 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,960 sometimes. You know, you watch it on TV and 666 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,640 you're like, I never would have seen that ever. 667 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,040 But you found it and nobody else, nobody else on the courts 668 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,400 side. And that's that's like the crazy 669 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,320 part is that she just sees these things that she makes it happen 670 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,960 and nobody can do anything about it. 671 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,880 And that's, again, where being 6 feet tall helps her as well. 672 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,040 Because, you know, there's a lot of really good point guards that 673 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,240 that may see the same things Caitlyn Clark sees. 674 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,080 But if you're 5/8, those are hard. 675 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,760 I'm speaking from experience here. 676 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,360 Those are those are hard passes your entire life playing 677 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,320 basketball. There's been so many times in my 678 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,800 life where I feel like I see you in that corner. 679 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,960 I can't get it there because I'm small. 680 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,080 You know, when you're taller than the people in front of you, 681 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,680 it's a much easier pass to make. Yeah, I think also, and I know 682 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,880 this is very well known just because of the crazy shots she 683 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,120 makes, but it's also the range that that Caitlyn Clark has is 684 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,640 is astounding. I sit there and watch or make 685 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,480 some of the deep shots and I'm like just how, Yeah, it it's 686 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,400 with ease, just the ability. She also has one of the quickest 687 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,680 releases in all of basketball, which is obviously another thing 688 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,880 that you know for you to get off your shot in a matter of 689 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,120 seconds. I don't know how I think Fox 690 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,200 Sports actually had like a graphic or they did some sort of 691 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,000 demonstration in one of I'm sure in one of the in one of the 692 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,560 games, in one of the games. And I I don't remember. 693 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,560 I don't want to throw out how long it takes for her to get our 694 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,280 shot off, but it's extremely quick and and so that's another 695 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,960 thing. And look, I mean, we can keep 696 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,160 talking about her because she's, you know, the greatest. 697 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,760 Player and just as a sign. Now I know multiple Indiana 698 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,520 Fever people will be there tomorrow. 699 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,120 I I've been working to get names. 700 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,240 I've not received the actual names. 701 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,040 I would assume that the GM when done and the head coach Chrissy 702 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,120 Sides will be there, but I'm also curious to see if any 703 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,040 players will show up with those two and if the president of the 704 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,320 team, Allison Barber, who never really comes to college games. 705 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,040 But I I have a feeling Allison Barber herself may be there too. 706 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,000 So. This would be the game. 707 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,280 It's a it'll be a a big game and and we'll know if they're there. 708 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,639 We know we saw them. I could buy you games last year 709 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:29,800 too, when they were scouting out Grace Burger. 710 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,920 So yeah, expect to see them sitting on the courtside well. 711 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,679 The Here before you go, Amanda. Sorry. 712 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,320 But I mean, that's a good point. Just because. 713 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,600 I mean, in a year from now, more than likely she's going to be 714 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,320 wearing an Indiana fever jersey. So. 715 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,400 But Amanda? So I found Caitlin Clark's 716 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,560 release time, which is the same real from three-point range, 717 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,639 same release time as Steph Curry, which is 0.43 seconds, 718 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,880 which is, you know, the fastest that you can probably ever 719 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,560 release a basketball. So just to. 720 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:05,000 Say that again 0.4. 0.430 is for release time same same as Steph 721 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,640 Curry which we've everybody's seen the comparisons with Steph 722 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,000 Curry just in general and how they shoot but that was that 723 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,720 like an. Average. 724 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,440 That this is just I'm I I guess so I don't really know, but this 725 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,840 is the number that I found. I mean, that's that's insane. 726 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,640 Yeah. I mean, I. 727 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,320 Mean. It would have to be. 728 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,760 For those that are listening, just think about that that it 729 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,480 takes her less than a second 'cause. 730 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,640 If you think about think about the end of games, they say that 731 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,480 like .4 is the amount of time you need to get an actual like 732 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,640 jump shot off. But even when you see a game and 733 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,800 it's like there's .4 or .5 left, a player would like catch and 734 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,840 almost just like tape it towards the rail because you can't 735 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,360 actually gather and bend your knees. 736 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,080 She does that and she doesn't bend her knees a lot, which is 737 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,120 crazy, but she gathers and puts it up in that time on average, 738 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,160 like whenever. She for three-point range. 739 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,680 That's ridiculous. The amount of power and strength 740 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,280 that you have to have. And it's not like she's like, 741 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,760 not that she's not strong, but she's not like built like you 742 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,560 don't look at it. You don't look at her and think, 743 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,760 Oh my gosh, she's very strong. And like, she has muscle. 744 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,320 But you can't. It's not like, as visible as it 745 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,200 is for somebody like Grace Burger, for example. 746 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,400 But the power that she has behind her shot every single 747 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,280 time is crazy. So if I were to ask you guys 748 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,800 what Indiana like the thing that Indiana needs to do, obviously 749 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,560 you got to try to stop Caitlin Clark as much as you can. 750 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,920 But when with a player like that, I mean you you you can 751 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,160 only limit her so much, right? I But what is the thing that 752 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,960 Indiana has to do in order to give themselves the win tomorrow 753 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,480 night? Limit Caitlin Clark and stop 754 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,640 everybody else, which is you're not like, you know it's not 755 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,720 going to happen. You can't do that. 756 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:45,200 How do you solve but hunger? Yes, right. 757 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,720 World Peace. Because that's, well, that's 758 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,800 that's the problem is that there's not a way to stop them. 759 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,960 And I, Terry Moran has talked about this before, we're like, 760 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,520 you can't stop Caitlin Clark, you just have to try to slow her 761 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,640 down a little bit. But that was their problem when 762 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,080 they played Iowa last time because that at least in the 763 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,160 beginning, they were able to, to keep her from making three 764 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,400 pointers and and starting off with a bang. 765 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,600 But other players did because Indiana couldn't control the 766 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,080 rest of Iowa's team, which you're not going to be able to 767 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,600 do because it's the way that that team is made-up. 768 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,720 You can't just stop people from scoring or from playing 769 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,880 basketball because they're all so good. 770 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,800 So I think that is the mentality that they're going to go in with 771 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,840 is try to limit Caitlin Clark and and try to limit everyone 772 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,400 else, but more to the extent of like stopping them from being 773 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,760 productive. But I don't know if you're going 774 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,200 to be able to do that. Like, I don't know if the way 775 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,200 that these two teams match up, I don't know if there's a way to 776 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,880 really be super successful in in doing that, but I don't really 777 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,440 know what else you could try to do. 778 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,800 Yeah, I I really want to see how Indiana decides to guard the 779 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,200 Caitlin Clark ball screens because in that last game and 780 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,160 and really every time they played her at least that I can't 781 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,560 remember, they've been in a drop and it it allowed her to hit 782 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,880 those threes and and some of these games she's just missed 783 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,760 threes. So maybe that's what you hope 784 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,440 and and and pray that happens. But even even against Illinois 785 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,800 they were in a drop and they still got right to the middle of 786 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,040 the paint. So I don't I don't really know 787 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,720 what you do. I know it's dangerous to double 788 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,400 team her because of how good of a passage she is and all the 789 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,760 shooting around her. But I I'd be interesting to see 790 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,520 if they at least try it a little bit. 791 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,360 The issue is you're not that you're not that tall behind 792 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,520 McKenzie Holmes which makes it a a big dilemma because you don't 793 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,640 have anybody to help in the paint. 794 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,800 But yeah, I don't know what what the strategy would be, but I I 795 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,200 would. I would see if they throw some 796 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,080 traps at her early, because I think that'll be a way to just, 797 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,800 at the very least, you could say she's used to playing us in a 798 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,680 way where we're dropping back and we're just having Chloe 799 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,960 Moore McNeil fight over the screens. 800 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,440 But if you trap her early in that game, she's going to be 801 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,440 thrown. She could be thrown off a bit by 802 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,480 the fact that IU specifically is trapping, because that's not 803 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,200 what they do. Right. 804 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,520 Well, the last time they played here, Chloe Moore McNeil did a 805 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,040 really good job defending her. She did. 806 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,640 And and you know, that's the thing that like Indiana has the 807 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,040 capabilities to limit her because they've done it before. 808 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,920 It's all about, it's all about getting over those screens. 809 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,320 That's why they struggled against Illinois. 810 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,360 That's why Caitlin Clark was able to go off in the first game 811 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,040 this season. If if you can get through and 812 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,000 get over those screens, it it changes the the math. 813 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,840 Basically it changes how hard it is for Caitlin Clark to get 814 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,240 those shots off and and how close you are when you contest 815 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,440 them. If you can't get over the 816 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,560 screens, good luck to you. Yeah, well, and if you're making 817 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,720 her take shots that you know there is, like you said, like 818 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:26,360 she's missed shots before. It's not like she shoots 819 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,000 perfectly. And so maybe at A at a point you 820 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,320 want to force her to take shots instead of having her be able to 821 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,560 give the ball up to somebody else. 822 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,360 I would love to sit not just with Indiana coaches but just 823 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,000 coaches in college basketball. Just sit down and really see how 824 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,200 they go about with their Staffs to just really limit Caitlin. 825 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,000 Like, I would love to sit down and and see what those 826 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,880 conversations are like. Because I mean it it nobody's 827 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,680 been able to find a a clear solution to stopping Caitlin 828 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,360 Clark. The team that's done it best 829 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,000 probably wasn't Nebraska in that fourth quarter in the game they 830 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,160 when they beat them and and that was I know they went heavy into 831 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,200 a press and and into a little bit of a boxing one as well. 832 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,240 Indiana has that in their bag. Go for it. 833 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:16,760 But I'm not sure they really do. But so that that'll be hard. 834 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,200 But that is the one game I've seen this season because I I 835 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,280 know the numbers pretty much look the same all four years, 836 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,240 but just the eye test to be she's looked the best this 837 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:28,560 season that she has over the whole four years of her career. 838 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,560 This season, that was the only team I saw. 839 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,480 Just kind of give her enough issues to really win the game, 840 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,800 yeah? So the Hoosiers take on the hot 841 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,960 guys tomorrow night on Peacock, 8:00 PM Eastern. 842 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,400 We'll all be there. It's going to be a fun one. 843 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,240 Top 15 battle in women's college basketball, the biggest game of 844 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:45,120 the year. It's sold out. 845 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,640 It's a white out area at Assembly Hall. 846 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,080 Even though they're wearing black uniforms. 847 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,440 Even though they're wearing black uniforms, Everybody and 848 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,760 everybody, Everybody and everybody, everybody and anybody 849 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,160 is going to be there tomorrow. But yeah, so keep up with us on 850 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,520 Twitter, all three of us, and then on Post Game Stories, 851 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,600 Inside the Hall, Indy Star, check it out. 852 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,840 Zion's going to write very good story. 853 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,560 Amanda's going to write a very good story. 854 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,840 I will probably do two stories tomorrow. 855 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,200 I'd assume we sure. Well, we'll see what happens. 856 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,440 Yeah, we'll see what happens, but. 857 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,320 Going to write not a good story. I will. 858 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,320 Write they'll. Write really good stories and I 859 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,920 will write. I will do something, but anyway, 860 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,640 thank you Zion for joining us. Hopefully you had a good time. 861 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,240 Obviously love your insight. A Very. 862 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,200 Nice little surprise in the beginning. 863 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,920 Nice little surprise. I was like, you know what I was 864 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,760 thinking last night? I was like, how, how could I 865 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,600 make this money? I was like, what could I do? 866 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,320 I love that you said last night. That means that, no, that this 867 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,000 means that Kevin, first of all, happy birthday, by the way. 868 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,400 I know, I know we both said it to you, you know, when was your 869 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,960 birthday? But Farless Thursday was his 870 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,960 birthday on Monday. But that means that you were 871 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,120 like you were sitting upstairs thinking, how am I going to 872 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,240 introduce, how am I going to introduce Zion on the podcast? 873 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,680 Tomorrow I think you should clip that intro and make it like the 874 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,960 intro. You're real, you're real, you're 875 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,120 going to get music behind that thing and everything. 876 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,960 That was great. You know, The funny thing is, is 877 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,920 I was at upstairs thinking about how am I going to introduce, 878 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,040 that's what I was writing when when you were like, Kevin, are 879 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,040 you good? I was because that's what I was 880 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,800 writing because, and I'm not going to lie, this morning while 881 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,120 I was in the shower, I was like, all right, we're going to 882 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,000 practice this. We're going to see how we're 883 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,520 going to introduce sign. Did the marriage of yourself. 884 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,840 No, I just did it in the shower. Did. 885 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,440 You do it out loud. Yeah, I was. 886 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,840 I was just saying it out loud. I was like, I was like 887 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,200 practicing. I was like. 888 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,640 What is going on in? There, my roommates probably 889 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,240 like, who is Zion Brown? Like, is Zion Brown here? 890 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,600 Like, whatever. But anyway, thank you Zion for 891 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,120 joining us. It was super fun to have you. 892 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,840 But as always, we'll be back with another episode next week, 893 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,000 so enjoy the game and we'll talk to you guys soon.