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Welcome back to Crimson Cask ale
and Claudia Scott Caulfield 

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here. 
We're back. 

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It's Saturday, March 12, and 
Scott. 

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It appears we still have a 
basketball season going on after

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the events of this last week, as
the Hoosiers. 

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Got just absolute gut, punch 
lost today in the semi-finals of

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the Big Ten Tournament. 
But the fact that they were even

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there is really the headline as 
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Pull off a couple of wins that 
they desperately needed to get 

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themselves. 
We think into the NCAA 

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tournament. 
We're going to talk about that. 

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We're going to talk about the 
game that we saw will talk about

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the other two games as well a 
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And then we'll go talk about The
future here in terms of what the

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NCAA tournament might hold. 
And we've also got some 

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questions from you folks that 
you've written in. 

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But Scott first of all, good to 
see you again. 

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And I think the Hiatus worked I 
did, you know, we had some 

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people call in for a pregame 
podcast today from us and I was 

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like look, this is probably not 
the best time to do this. 

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We probably need to just let it 
ride. 

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Let's go out there with clear 
minds and clear Hearts before 

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the game and it almost worked 
but it's good to be talking to 

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you. 
Once again, we always said we 

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were going to do a podcast. 
Today, one way or the other and 

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as it turns out, this ends up 
being the perfect time to talk 

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about what's going on with IU 
basketball. 

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So, how are you? 
Yeah, I mean, we don't do 

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pregame postgame. 
Like, that's the stay in your 

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lane, the Crimson cast, right? 
I'm good. 

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It's it's so annoying that and 
again, we're I my you bias and 

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so I see this through an IU 
prism but you have this behan 

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and shot you had the, you know, 
was it Blake half off her shot 

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from Minnesota over ha farmer. 
How Farber you had the kid for 

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Illinois? 
Go nuts. 

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Like for a Team in Indiana, 
that's really not. 

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Had a lot of games in the Big 
Ten Tournament where we just not

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played a lot. 
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crazy buzzer beater, great plays
of happened against us and so it

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is kind of annoying. 
It's like the odds seem to be 

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wildly stacked against us. 
We just don't play in a lot of 

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games. 
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seem to end in these wild 
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I mean, here at Scott, we won a 
national title on essentially a 

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buzzer-beater. 
I think we can't complain about 

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this. 
We do like this. 

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This isn't this is like an area,
we should not be registering any

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sort of problems. 
And I know it seems unfair. 

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But once you've won on 
essentially a last-second shot a

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national title, you really lose 
that chip? 

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I think agreed but at least 
Keith smart and you know that 

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offense. 
They shook him free and got him.

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A relatively open look like this
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Defend it down way now, you're 
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It's just it's I mean, it's a 
gut punch, but I have some 

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thoughts on. 
On it from a bigger picture. 

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But yeah, that's kind of my 
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damn, but I also, you know, 
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nice to feel this way where I 
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We're in the tournament. 
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like, you know what? 
We played really? 

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Well, we equipped ourselves. 
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it's not a bad thing to maybe 
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right? 
And go into the tournament a 

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little bit more rest than trying
to run this four straight days. 

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And then, you know, God, forbid,
the turn the other committee 

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gives the Thursday game and then
we just come in, you know, to 

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the Bully Beatdown like in the 
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we were going to beat Purdue 
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Anyway, so it's like mid. 
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the worlds of we're going to try
and make a little run in the 

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NCAA tournament. 
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Well, during the conference 
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I know they lost today, but 
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Montana State. 
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NCAA tournament, appearances. 
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Check them out or not might be 
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either win in our Roto League. 
They did win today. 

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They didn't win. 
No, so, you know W, keeping our 

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fingers crossed for you. 
Anyway, let's go ahead and dive 

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into things here, Indiana when 
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We were not particularly happy 
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to be happening through the 
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season as it really looked like 
IU. 

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The well that too. 
Yes, they've asked driving with 

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football football. 
We just kind of I'm sorry. 

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I just, I think disappointment. 
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Indiana football. 
But no, it really felt like the 

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basketball season and kind of 
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It felt like the team had to 
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to make it into the NCAA 
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Rutgers by losing that game at 
Purdue by losing to Wisconsin at

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home. 
And you looked at the Big Ten 

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Tournament a place where I you 
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history of success and it's 
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something they got opportunities
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it was going to be in the cards 
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credit to Mike Woodson credit to
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players. 
I mean what we saw over the last

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three games and I mean if we're 
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five halves because the first 
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up there with the worst 
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team has had all season, and to 
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as they did, in that game, to be
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game, which Buddy, you included,
we do was convinced was just a 

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horrific matchup for IU 
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only to to play well, but to 
ultimately win that game against

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a full-strength Illinois team. 
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against Iowa, one of the hottest
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That just is hasn't lost. 
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Like they have just really been 
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And then to play as well as they
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minutes to go. 
You kind of get the yin and the 

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Yang to Agree there where it's 
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they're up late, and they can't 
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know, you know, when I look at 
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hard for me to really be that 
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lately day. 
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offensive team. 
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with Purdue they can score in 
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They're so hard to guard for 40 
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Indiana is not at full strength,
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they're missing one of them. 
Better Defenders and they made a

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great defensive play at the end 
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And, you know, they made a great
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Iowa end up winning the game on.
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effort. 
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letting some opportunity slip 
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And, you know, God knows if you 
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the difference between a block 
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Maybe we're not talking here 
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If you had another official, who
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between a block and a charge on 
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You're probably not having this 
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We're probably talking about 
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Tournament final. 
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really did feel like Indiana 
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haven't seen for several years 
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Yeah. 
I have two high-level thoughts 

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thinking about this that, you 
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just and I don't want to make 
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But, you know, had we just lost 
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The offseason would have been 
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knows what happens. 
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rough and you would have been 
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about Woodson would have been 
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But a lot of times a coaching 
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comes down to like two or three 
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like if I wrote down here, it's 
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minutes of gameplay. 
My 12, save the offseason in the

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start of the woods and career 
like and You're with me for a 

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sec, like, you go back and this 
is not the best analogy for 

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everybody. 
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you know, if he wins against 
Duke and can state that go to 

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the final four. 
It's like a 36-hour run if they 

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lose to do, which they very 
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look back on the dent, the 
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It's like, wow, like what really
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We're probably looking back on 
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Sorry. 
Go on for a lot of people, the 

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turning point for creed. 
It's a little bit longer because

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you have a Week in between but 
it's like it was that 81 matchup

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for me against Temple when we 
were the number one seed where 

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it's like man that was really 
hard to put away Temple like we 

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did Oladipo three and then of 
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It was a tougher gay but like a 
tough game there, but then you 

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lose a Syracuse. 
Like if let's just get a you 

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give him a Syracuse win. 
There. 

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They go. 
To the elite, eight things are a

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little bit different for 
creating and under Archie. 

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Same thing like in 2019. 
You have that OSU game in the 

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Big Ten Tournament. 
They win that they're in the 

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tournament. 
They don't, they go to the NIT 

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and you know, what? 
What do with that is if they 

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make the tournament in 2019? 
I think we all just 

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retroactively, give him a 
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Where now it's like that becomes
a no tournament. 

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I think it would have been a 
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But the point is it really is. 
You look back on these careers. 

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It's like it kind of comes down 
to these fulcrum points where 

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it's like you got a couple games
where you can make it happen or 

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you can't and it did feel like 
we kind of changed the fulcrum 

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Pro fulcrum point there. 
So that's that's kind of my 

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first big thought of it. 
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like you said or 30 hours could 
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of the Woodson tenure here at 
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I mean there's a lot of Truth to

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what you say in that because a 
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perception. 
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within the program, how to the 
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Feel like things are going. 
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them because ultimately, they're
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games and, and the coaches are 
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the day-to-day stuff. 
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internal view of what was going 
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Didn't didn't feel very good. 
I mean, it really a Woodson. 

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The number of times. 
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guys over the hump. 
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hearing that but it really felt 
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there was, there was some 
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performing properly. 
That would have allowed the team

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to gel in a much better way, you
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ways that players are playing, 
you know, you look at Tres 

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Jackson, Davis and the 
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He had all the way through the 
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minutes of the Michigan game in 
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amazing how much that can change
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easier. 
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team that Indiana just lawsuit 
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that. 
That didn't look like a great 

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Iowa team at the start of the 
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I don't think that they were 
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Big Ten and you know, They lost 
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They lost, you know, the Purdue 
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and Iowa State by 20 on the road
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And I think everybody's looking 
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three. 
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this, is nothing's happening 
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But I think you go to them and 
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lost that game to Michigan, they
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going away. 
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this run, where they've been on 
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What fought a Eight of their 
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lost, they could have easily won
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the season off. 
So I think with Indiana, it's 

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the same thing. 
You're right and externally. 

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The results that Indiana got and
the way that they played, you 

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didn't see. 
I didn't least now granted. 

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I was in the air for most of the
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not seeing people getting on 
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or bashing the team or talking 
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is. 
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about what had happened but at 
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just, they were really excited. 
Everybody was that? 

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It was, you know, was obviously 
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were very disappointed in the 
ending. 

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But they weren't mad at the 
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It's like, well, this is that's 
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with this. 
How you team do this play these 

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sorts of games, you know, give 
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Yes, there's going to be 
mistakes. 

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Yes, there's going to be players
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certainly saw today. 
But at the end of it all what 

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makes Indiana fans? 
Happy is playing in games that 

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matter and playing well and with
energy in those games and that's

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just been so unusual and so 
rare. 

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For Indiana basketball now for 
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it's a shame, the tournament run
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I do agree that there's a think 
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it continues in the NCAA 
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extra day of rest. 
But this for the first time in a

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long time, it felt like 
everybody was like fully behind 

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Indiana basketball again, and 
that was really awesome to feel.

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I was with a big group went to 

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Grand Junction and the big group
of us were there to watch the 

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game and, you know, it was it 
was fun, but I It feel like you 

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know, how do we just lost by 15 
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Whenever competitive I would 
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Oh no. 
Like that was why dad had? 

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Yeah, that's why I have trust 
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any. 
But everybody else with you. 

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There's a lot of its money where
with some people who one of our 

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one of my group was kind of the 
you got to rebound person. 

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Like every time we get a 
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kind like, okay, whatever then 
it's like after like Iowa gets 

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us like 12th Rebound in a row 
and you're like, okay. 

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I'm an agreement like be to 
rebound more when people were 

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annoyed at Miss shots as you 
sometimes our butt. 

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Again, just going off the feel 
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Everybody is like, hey, they 
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that, that sucked and sometimes 
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But it's just like sometimes it 
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right? 
And he played good defense and 

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to be honest like what you gonna
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is interesting is I think it's 
really hard to figure this out 

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in the moment. 
We'll know more in retrospect, 

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you kind of hit on this in your 
open, but you know, the question

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that I think I have right now. 
Oh, is you know, did Woodson 

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figure something out? 
Because there is a point there 

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in February where we're all kind
of looking each other. 

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You know, Tony. 
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the pods, like, you know, does 
he obviously woods and knows a 

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ton about basketball. 
But it does he understand? 

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Kind of like the significance, 
how quick the season ends in 

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college basketball. 
Like this is an NBA team like, 

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you know, he's still doing the 
substitution things like did and

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you wonder like, did he figure 
something out right now and, and

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unlocked a new level? 
Like, kind of like he unlock 

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something in Purdue by, you 
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That, you know, the the the the 
good feeling and that, you know,

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the support that he needed, you 
know, on one hand. 

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It's like, okay, maybe we did 
figure something out of mixture.

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He comes in kind of 
understanding. 

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All right. 
I got a better feel for the 

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rhythm of a college basketball 
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still a team with this Iowa 
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That like is still really unable
to close out tight games because

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then you know, we feel good like
we were still up nine with five 

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minutes to go, like Iowa scored 
22 points. 

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The last like four and a half 
minutes and then it's like maybe

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the Michigan and Illinois game. 
Games were aberrations and they 

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say more about Michigan and 
Illinois. 

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They do about Indiana. 
And I don't, I don't know what 

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that answer is obviously only 
time will tell like, well, no 12

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years as you look back. 
It's like, oh, yeah. 

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That was the turning point or 
it's like, oh, that was just 

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kind of to aberration games and 
still a team that can't close 

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out tough games. 
And that's, that's what, I'm not

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sure. 
We have an answer to. 

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Well. 
Look. 

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I think that look, they were a 
nine. 

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They Indiana was a 91% when With
about five minutes to go and 

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they were of 67 58 another game,
where Indiana's got to win 

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probability above 75 percent in 
the second half and they lose 

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and that has been a consistent 
problem. 

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Now, I think we're you run into 
some danger analytically is 

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trying to tie all those things 
together and create some larger 

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sort of causation. 
You know, I think in this game 

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it was a different reason than 
in previous games that Indiana 

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lost that game. 
Now they all kind of stem from 

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the same Reservoir. 
Of issues, which is that Indiana

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doesn't have a good sense of who
it is yet. 

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There's I think you've seen some
development over the course of 

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the season, but the bench is 
shallow. 

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It was even shallower today. 
You don't have guys that you can

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necessarily count on and your 
best defensive players. 

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The guys you need out there to 
stop an Iowa team who can score 

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from all five positions from 
scoring and points. 

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When it matters is also not your
best offer. 25. 

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And I think ultimately, that's 
what occurs like Indiana has not

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shown an ability to perform. 
Well, consistently on both ends 

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of the floor down the stretch. 
And that's ultimately what wins 

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you these games and you know, 
whereas I think they do their 

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there's some games like the Ohio
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You just needed a couple of 
buckets and, you know, if you 

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got one or two additional 
buckets, you're coming away with

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the victory at Ohio State. 
And we're not even having this 

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conversation, probably. 
In this Iowa game, you had to be

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able to defend Iowa better than 
they did down the stretch and 

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the fact that I was able to get 
guys free and put shots up and 

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and make the shots and they were
no easy shots. 

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I mean not, you know, not just 
the Bohannon one. 

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But I mean, the threes that they
were hitting they just they were

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hitting at a rhythm that 
required better defense down the

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stretch. 
So I look at it a little bit 

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differently than. 
Yes. 

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It was the same old Indiana and 
that they ended up losing a game

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that they should have. 
On. 

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But it's a growing process and I
do think Woodson is hit on some 

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things here in these last four 
or five games. 

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Like we're seeing him really 
zero in on a lineup that he 

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thinks is going to win the game 
and sticking with that lineup 

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about as close as he can to The 
Bitter End, you know, he did 

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that against Illinois. 
Worked out really, well. 

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He did it a bit today and I 
think what ultimately happened 

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was, he just didn't get enough 
contributions from the guys that

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were on the floor for him when 
it mattered. 

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I'm not talking about Xavier 
Johnson, and Trace Jackson, 

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Dave. 
This but I'm talk about the 

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other players on the floor. 
Just you need an extra bucket. 

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You need an extra stop and you 
couldn't get it all, you know, 

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now all that said, I also think 
that this Indiana team still 

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lacks in a bit of grit and 
hustle and determination play 

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after play after play that 
you're seeing some of these 

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upper echelon, Big Ten teams 
able to pull out of the hat and 

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that's something that's going to
come with time. 

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I think that ultimately that 
felt like the biggest indictment

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of the Archie Miller era. 
At the Players just never really

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seemed to develop that attitude.
I think you're seeing it develop

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under Mike Woodson and the fact 
that they won the two games they

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did in this Big Ten Tournament 
illustrates that, it's partially

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there, but it's not all the way 
there. 

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And I think we're Indiana is 
going to finally turn the corner

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maybe in the NCAA tournament 
this year. 

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More likely than not next year 
if they're going to turn the 

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corner is in. 
Being able to have that reserve 

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of being able to make plays at 
the end of games that win. 

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And I think it's something 
Indiana still learning how to 

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do. 
They did it against Illinois, 

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although they tried to throw it 
away, to some degree in that 

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one. 
And I think that's ultimately, 

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the thing that has to get fixed.
If Indiana is going to really 

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turn this thing around under 
Woodson, and take it to a 

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different Echelon from where 
they're at right now. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, I also, I agree. 

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I think in the end this team has
a fatal flaw, which is just, 

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there's really not a consistent 
comfortable. 

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Three-point shooter. 
You can go to, I mean, it's why 

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I like Xavier Johnson is 
probably the person. 

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I feel most comfortable taking. 
Freeze right now, right? 

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But you know you have you have 
Miller coppin and Parker 

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Stewart, you know combined 2 for
9 from three and you know it I 

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don't want to harp on just one 
moment. 

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We have that moment. 
We're going to trace Jackson, 

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Davis gets the Breakaway dunk, 
we go up by nine. 

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I think then we get the ball 
back at some point where we're 

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still up nine and it's like if 
you can I think we turned it 

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over. 
At that point on an entry pass 

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was like, if you can get a three
there, you're up 11 or Europe, 

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12 like that could be a 
ballgame. 

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A spot if you can nail a 3 
there, like it's 12 with, you 

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know, four and a half minutes to
go. 

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That might be game but instead 
like we turned the ball over, 

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which is not great, but not the 
end of the world. 

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But then like, you give up a 
three Suddenly It's like a 

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five-point. 
Let's check it. 

447
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Just it, tightens up so quick. 
And you also have an Illinois, 

448
00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:53,900
Indiana Iowa team. 
Sorry that shot 43 percent from 

449
00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:56,600
three which is you know, in kike
Murray State for ten. 

450
00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,600
It's like yeah, lights out. 
So, you know, I think in the end

451
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,400
this is also a team that just 
has kind of a fatal flaw that 

452
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,900
they're just really One or two 
guys that you're comfortable 

453
00:22:06,900 --> 00:22:10,200
with getting getting threes and 
be able to knock those down. 

454
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,300
And that's sometimes what you 
need honest. 

455
00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:15,200
That's what you need to put a 
team away and it's hard to put a

456
00:22:15,208 --> 00:22:18,100
team away with you twos and 
stops. 

457
00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:20,800
If you can get a couple stops, 
get a couple tours and then make

458
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,900
those twos and the threes. 
That's when you can put a TV a 

459
00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:25,700
way where you can push a lead. 
It's just this team doesn't, 

460
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,000
just doesn't have that. 
Well, and look, we've talked 

461
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,100
about this many times and it's, 
it's as ultimately, the Epitaph 

462
00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:34,900
of the year. 
It's a poorly constructed. 

463
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,200
And roster and it's not Mike 
Woodson's. 

464
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,300
Fault that it's a poorly 
constructed roster. 

465
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:43,100
But the your offensive players 
are the players that should be 

466
00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:48,200
out there to give you offense 
outside of Trace Jackson, Davis,

467
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,800
Xavier Johnson and to a lesser 
degree race Thompson. 

468
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,400
Just don't they don't contribute
on a regular enough basis to be 

469
00:22:53,408 --> 00:22:57,000
able to count on them 
offensively defensively. 

470
00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:01,900
They're not able to contribute. 
I mean, it's a real real problem

471
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,500
that Indiana has to hide on most
possessions. 

472
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:06,800
And then the people You got 
coming off the bench, all have 

473
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,600
flaws. 
You know, Trey Galloway is very 

474
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,700
much. 
You don't know what you're 

475
00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:14,300
getting out of trade Galloway 
offensively every night against 

476
00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:16,300
Illinois. 
He was incisive. 

477
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:20,000
He made plays at The Rim. 
He did all the things that 

478
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,700
Indiana had to have in that game
to get their offense kick 

479
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:25,500
started today. 
He just didn't have it. 

480
00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:30,300
You know, he can't shoot from 
outside and he's you know in a 

481
00:23:30,308 --> 00:23:33,800
game where I was going to back 
off of him or any teams going to

482
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,300
back off of him. 
Keep him in front. 

483
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:39,100
He doesn't really offer you a 
whole lot in terms of scoring. 

484
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:42,000
He can pass the ball, you know, 
but he, but he doesn't really 

485
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,700
have the ability to create his 
own offense. 

486
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:46,800
Jordan Geronimo is kind of in 
the same boat, except. 

487
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,200
He's the post Player version of 
that where he has, he can hit a 

488
00:23:49,208 --> 00:23:52,500
shot now and then but it's got 
just as much of a chance of 

489
00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:55,100
swishing as it does going over 
the rim entirely. 

490
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,300
You Know, Tamar Bates, had that 
nice three at the end of the 

491
00:23:58,308 --> 00:24:01,300
half, but that wasn't a great 
day. 

492
00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:02,100
Again. 
He didn't poll. 

493
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:04,200
Well, he didn't play again 
because he can't play defense 

494
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,200
and he has real We're getting a 
shot together and most of the 

495
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,600
rest of the players that Indiana
brings in they all have like a 

496
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,400
major flaw. 
Now. 

497
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,000
I'm not saying that they're bad 
players and I think tomorrow, 

498
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,800
Bates is got a lot of talent 
potential and will develop, but 

499
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,200
he's not there yet. 
And so when you look at this 

500
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,100
roster, you see a lot of very 
either incomplete players or 

501
00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:30,300
pieces of game that don't add up
to a whole and that makes it so 

502
00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:34,300
that games like this are a real 
struggle because you're going up

503
00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:36,400
against a much. 
More complete team that really 

504
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:41,600
has an identity under Fran 
mccaffery, but that's because 

505
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,800
Fran mccaffery has been there 
for a decade plus. 

506
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,300
And you know, he's had all these
guys in the system. 

507
00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:48,900
And so that's where I am more 
patient with Mike Woodson. 

508
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:52,700
And I think the expectation that
Indiana would play as coherently

509
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:56,900
as Iowa or is Wisconsin, or is 
Michigan State, or is Purdue 

510
00:24:56,900 --> 00:25:01,200
given, what a huge Head Start, 
those programs have is probably 

511
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,800
not a reasonable explanation or 
era. 

512
00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:07,700
But the fact of the matter is 
Indiana's, got the talent to 

513
00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:09,700
kind of go back to eat, were 
saying they have the talent to 

514
00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:12,600
win games like this. 
It's just not always a given 

515
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,700
that they're going to be able to
hold on to the advantages that 

516
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:17,100
they've created for themselves 
because they still are not a 

517
00:25:17,108 --> 00:25:20,100
very coherent unit as a group. 
Yeah, one that. 

518
00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:23,100
And that is, you know, the other
contrarian way of looking at it 

519
00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:26,400
is like, you know, that's kind 
of maybe Mike Woodson is doing 

520
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,800
such a good job. 
Getting this kind of, you know, 

521
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,200
in complete roster to a point 
where it can compete these 

522
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,300
games, but it's like, it just 
can't close it out because it 

523
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,900
isn't a Eat roster. 
It's like maybe a lesser coach 

524
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:39,600
could even get within their. 
But, you know, I'm and this is 

525
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,000
where you. 
Let's we can talk about Ed Fang 

526
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,400
and the power ranking and 
everything. 

527
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,500
He's doing with bracket Matrix 
and how he's a friend of the 

528
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:47,600
Pod. 
I just do want it. 

529
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,100
So we'll get to that. 
But I do want to talk about, you

530
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:52,600
know, where we rank in March. 
I was telling you before we 

531
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,200
started like I'm I'm excited for
where this team could go because

532
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,500
I think I might try and go to 
the first round game. 

533
00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:01,500
So just I will I'll put it up on
Twitter. 

534
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:03,400
If I end up going. 
I'd love to see anybody who's 

535
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,800
going depends on where we're 
going. 

536
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,300
It depends on, you know, what 
flights look like at all that. 

537
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:11,600
But I would say, if we end up 
being an 11 seed, you know, I'm 

538
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,000
not saying this is going to 
happen. 

539
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:15,600
Don't put it down. 
I don't see us making a run to 

540
00:26:15,608 --> 00:26:19,200
the final four, but this team 
could make a run to his sweet 

541
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,900
16. 
Like if you're an 11 seed, 

542
00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:24,300
there's not really a six seed or
a three seed in the country that

543
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:27,500
that I think we couldn't beat in
any given night. 

544
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:30,600
I mean Wisconsin's the three 
seat and we should have two wins

545
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,800
against them, you know, Alabama 
st. 

546
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:37,800
Mary's LSU, Boise State. 
Those are the 60s out there. 

547
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,500
I'm not, I mean, we could lose, 
but I'm not. 

548
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:43,900
So there is a path setup where 
this team could really write the

549
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:47,400
ship and just if it plays like 
it has the last two days. 

550
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:50,000
There's no reason why it 
couldn't win two games in the 

551
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,500
tournament being an 11 seed and 
I kind of like the 11 seed line 

552
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,300
better than 10 and then running 
up against a Tuesday. 

553
00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:59,900
And I kind of like that 11th at 
11:00 pocket to get in and maybe

554
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:02,600
play a six where and sometimes 
three teams go down to. 

555
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,100
So sorry. 
I really took us off track 

556
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:06,000
there. 
Talk about the tournament but 

557
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,500
Scott its Crimson cast. 
That's what we do here. 

558
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,700
And you let me before we get to 
the tournament picture. 

559
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:14,000
Let's let's take a couple of 
questions and comments from the 

560
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,100
folks out there. 
I put out a call on Twitter, and

561
00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:21,300
some of you responded. 
First, Toby Phillips, Galen, and

562
00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:22,500
Scott. 
Can't wait to hear the take on 

563
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:24,700
the festivities that took place 
over the last couple of days. 

564
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:28,700
We've been loading, this type of
situation for several years. 

565
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,100
When traveling with the family, 
we catch ourselves, listening to

566
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:32,900
Crimson cast, whether it's 
basketball or football. 

567
00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:34,200
Will thank you, Toby. 
We appreciate it. 

568
00:27:34,208 --> 00:27:35,500
Hopefully, you're enjoying 
During the show. 

569
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:42,000
Let's see, Alex G asks as a 
kosterman and Dustin Dopey rack 

570
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,100
pointed out. 
I you solemnly has a big three, 

571
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:50,300
tjd Xavier, and race to lean on 
for scoring between cop Geronimo

572
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:52,100
and Galloway. 
Who, and your guy's eyes has the

573
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:54,500
most potential to step up and 
help chip in enough to at least 

574
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:59,400
get one NCAA Victory. 
Gosh. 

575
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:02,000
I mean, it's a first of all it 
does sound like Jordan, Geronimo

576
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,900
is going to be back. 
He tweeted out that he's 

577
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:06,400
planning on being back. 
So I think we will keep our 

578
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,400
fingers crossed that that 
actually ends up happening was 

579
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,000
they went to ankle injury 
instead of a knee injury, which 

580
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,700
I felt was very good news of the
three. 

581
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,700
The person who has the ability 
overall to have the biggest 

582
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:22,800
impact and help Indiana win a 
first-round game. 

583
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,600
In the NCAA tournament is Miller
cop. 

584
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,400
He's a starter. 
He's you know, nominally just by

585
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,600
looking at numbers overall, the 
still percentage-wise one of the

586
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,300
best three-point. 
Ders, in the Big Ten. 

587
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:40,100
He's still 36 percent on the, 
you know, on the season from 

588
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:46,600
three 37%, I don't know if he'll
actually do it because his 

589
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,500
performances of just been. 
So spotty as of late. 

590
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:53,300
It's really hard to get a sense 
of what you're going to get out 

591
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,700
of him. 
I mean today, he was 0 for 6 

592
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,700
from the floor and he ended up 
2411, which I mean, the two 

593
00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:04,600
shots he hit were real big. 
But what about the other nine? 

594
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:08,900
It really needed to be hit. 
You know, you do wonder what 

595
00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:11,100
happens there. 
He was essentially an offensive 

596
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:14,400
no-show against Illinois, played
fairly well against Michigan and

597
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,300
certainly had a good game 
against Purdue, but you know, I 

598
00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:19,200
look at cop and I say, all 
right. 

599
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:23,200
He's You know, there's just a 
lack. 

600
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,300
I don't know if it's a lack of 
confidence or what, but he's 

601
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:29,600
getting open shots. 
He's not hitting them if he's 

602
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,700
hitting the open, shots that 
he's getting. 

603
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:34,800
It's a completely different 
ballgame, not just today. 

604
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:38,200
But I think for anybody that 
Indiana plays against because 

605
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,100
that is because he's normally 
three pointers that he's open 

606
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:42,800
for. 
You're talking about an extra 

607
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,800
six to nine points, a game 
without really losing anything 

608
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,200
on the other end and that puts 
you in a position. 

609
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:52,800
I mean, it's pushing it. 
Today where you've won the game 

610
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,200
as opposed to losing by 3, you 
know, certainly the other two I 

611
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,300
think are important. 
I think that though cop because 

612
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:02,500
of the fact that he plays so 
many minutes and he's already in

613
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:05,100
the starting lineup and he 
theoretically has a better sense

614
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:06,800
of what he's supposed to be 
doing in the offense than the 

615
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,100
other two would be the one that 
I would expect. 

616
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:11,000
If there was going to be 
somebody step up out of that 

617
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:11,900
group. 
It would be him. 

618
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:17,200
Yeah, I would tend to agree but 
I the case for in my mind, Trey 

619
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,700
Galloway is a tree Galloway. 
Also finishes the game. 

620
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:23,300
It's like he's been part of that
Finishing Line up and you know, 

621
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:26,400
Galloway provides some of that, 
you know, ball handling skills, 

622
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:32,000
but also he kind of becomes the 
other instigator or the real, 

623
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,300
you know, Pusher of this team if
and when Xavier Johnson is on 

624
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:36,800
the bench. 
So when Xavier Johnson goes to 

625
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,400
the bench and always and now 
it's like I'm scared because the

626
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,300
guy who's going to be the 
aggressor on this team to really

627
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:44,800
push the off. 
Henceforward and sometimes that 

628
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,900
is true Galloway. 
So that would be my answer for 

629
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:52,100
Trey Galloway is, you know, 
because he, he can, he can cheat

630
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:54,300
a little bit on defense, like 
there's times he comes in and 

631
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,200
it's just a complete spark plug 
that this team needs to kind of 

632
00:30:57,208 --> 00:30:59,600
get things going. 
I would also think it's funny 

633
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,800
that the question had those 
three people, you know, there's 

634
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,100
another option out there. 
I know he's like a ghost on this

635
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:11,800
team, but Parker Stuart, I would
love to see Parker Stewart step 

636
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,700
back up. 
You know this. 

637
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,800
I think this is, you know, we're
nearing the end of his IU 

638
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,900
career, he had senior day, but I
mean, my God, his last double 

639
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:23,400
fig double-digit game was 
against Ohio State on February 

640
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:30,200
21st, since then he's, you know,
scored 55 65 5522, you know 

641
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,600
hasn't had a it's been months 
since he had a stroke I guess. 

642
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:37,800
Yeah, Ohio State and Wisconsin 
back-to-back games where he hit 

643
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,300
multiple three-point shots. 
Like, this is a guy who for a 

644
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:43,500
while was really doing well. 
From three. 

645
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:46,700
I mean, a lot of that was that 
Syracuse game, but you know, 

646
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,700
that's another guy that has have
to throw in there that I don't 

647
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:53,100
expect him to have another 
Breakout game like Syracuse, but

648
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,200
if he could just go to 45 from 
three that would he would have 

649
00:31:57,208 --> 00:31:59,300
done that today that would have 
that would have won the game as 

650
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:00,900
well. 
I do think it's interesting. 

651
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:04,700
If you're looking at number 
Trends, his like, a lot of 

652
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:07,500
people have asked all season, 
like why is he playing as many 

653
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,900
minutes as he playing when he's 
not contributing offensively. 

654
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:12,200
Well, he hasn't been playing 
that much in the last three 

655
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,000
games. 
Like his Minutes, went way down 

656
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,800
in the Big Ten tournament. 
And look. 

657
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,700
I mean, they had to I mean, he'd
because as much as I'd like to 

658
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:23,300
see Parker Stewart succeed, he's
just not contributing, always 

659
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,500
out on the floor, very much. 
He's put in some serviceable 

660
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:31,000
time and emergency defensive 
positions, but it's just, it's 

661
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,300
not there right now, and it's 
disappointing. 

662
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,300
And so that you're right. 
That is a guy, they just feels 

663
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:37,900
like that ship may have sailed. 
At this point. 

664
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:40,000
I could be wrong. 
Maybe he comes out as a big game

665
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
in the NCAA tournament when he's
playing against. 

666
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,400
When teams different off at or 
different defenses that aren't 

667
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,100
as used to defending him at this
point, but yeah, it's a big 

668
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:50,800
question mark from from my 
perspective. 

669
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:55,700
Matt blasket asks or what kind 
of states and asks, I thought 

670
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:58,800
what he did the best job he 
could with what he had he seems 

671
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,600
to know after the starters. 
It's going to be a slog. 

672
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:03,600
How does Woody manage this next 
weekend? 

673
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,800
Is Tamar get more minutes. 
So I here's the thing. 

674
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,700
I just I don't know that Tamar 
Bates is going to is the guy you

675
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:15,700
want to stick into an NCAA. 
A tournament game at this point.

676
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:19,900
He just yes, he hit the three 
today and I appreciated that but

677
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:23,500
there's all year. 
I feel like I you fans in 

678
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:26,300
general of had kind of backup 
quarterback syndrome with a lot 

679
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,400
of the roster where they assume 
that anybody that isn't playing 

680
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:31,900
is going to be better than the 
people that are playing. 

681
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:34,100
And that's not to say that the 
people who have been playing 

682
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:38,000
have done well, but the idea 
that somebody is going to come 

683
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,800
off the bench and be able to 
really contribute. 

684
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,500
I think is probably fanciful at 
this point. 

685
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:46,600
I mean if Look at Bates, Bates 
is total contribution minute 

686
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,900
wise in the month of March, and 
this is five games. 

687
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:56,800
So far has been 17 total 
minutes, three points, one made 

688
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,300
shot at through five full games.
And you know that he's not shot 

689
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:04,400
today and you saw that shot 
today. 

690
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,300
That's right. 
And he's also not playing very 

691
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:09,300
good defense. 
He's he's just, he looks like a 

692
00:34:09,308 --> 00:34:12,199
scared. 
Dear, when he's out there. 

693
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:14,699
He's Because he's constantly, 
he's jumpy. 

694
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:17,199
He's, he gets the ball and he 
immediately seems to think I got

695
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,100
to go to the basket and score. 
I don't think that's the 

696
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:22,600
directions that he's been given 
by the bench. 

697
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,000
I could be wrong, but I doubt 
that they're saying tomorrow 

698
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,800
whenever you get the ball just 
run towards the basket as 

699
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,100
quickly as you can and try to 
put it in and he's just not able

700
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:34,199
to keep up defensively either. 
So Matt, I think my answer on 

701
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,900
this, you know, I think Woodson 
realizes at this point, he's got

702
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:40,900
a short bench. 
He's got seven, maybe eight guys

703
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:45,600
that he can regularly count on. 
Any given game and he's also got

704
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,699
two guys that are still injured.
I mean, I don't think Rob 

705
00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:51,400
fantasy is all the way back, you
know, Rob only played 17 minutes

706
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,900
today, felt like he could have 
played more. 

707
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:56,300
He didn't score. 
He was over to from the floor. 

708
00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:59,000
Galloway putting Finn. 
I mean, just great defense from 

709
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,900
Rob. 
Yeah, you know, but I may just 

710
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:03,300
but he like he. 
But again, it's kind of like 

711
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:06,200
what we were talking about with 
some of the problems with the 

712
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,900
roster. 
It's like you can't have guys 

713
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:11,100
that only contribute on one side
of the floor. 

714
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:13,100
And I also think Rob is still 
Injured. 

715
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:15,300
I mean, you know and the same 
thing with Galloway who only 

716
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:19,400
played 21 minutes. 
So I wish I had a good answer on

717
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,200
what we would see out of Mike. 
Woodson. 

718
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,500
I think ultimately it's going to
entirely depend on the matchups 

719
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,300
and this is where I think 
Indiana has to hope that they 

720
00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:34,600
face off against the team that 
doesn't have a crap load of 

721
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,800
really effective guards, you 
know, because if they're playing

722
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,400
against a team, that's really 
perimeter oriented that that 

723
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,300
shoots a lot of threes. 
That is, that is, you know, in 

724
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:47,400
any way like really hyper 
athletic. 

725
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,500
I think that's going to spell a 
lot of problems for this Indiana

726
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:52,400
team, just in terms of 
personnel, sets and matchups 

727
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,000
because they're eventually going
to run out of guys in the 

728
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,500
backcourt. 
They can effectively play 

729
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:57,400
against those sorts of players, 
you know. 

730
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,800
So look at you, you've got to 
find a way to get good minutes 

731
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,300
like twenty to twenty five good 
minutes out of both Parker 

732
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:06,900
Stewart and Miller cop. 
They have to make contributions 

733
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:09,300
if Indiana is going to win in 
the first round and if they do 

734
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:12,200
that it takes so much pressure 
off of your bench players. 

735
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,300
It allows you. 
To be a lot more situational 

736
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:18,400
with how you play Trey Galloway 
with how you play Rob fennessy, 

737
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,300
and it also gives you a little 
bit of flexibility, you know, 

738
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:23,700
to, with how you're going to 
handle the post positions as 

739
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:26,400
well. 
You know, Woodson's smart with 

740
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,200
these matchups. 
I mean, you saw Michael dirr for

741
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,500
a decent amount of time 
relatively speaking against 

742
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:32,900
Illinois. 
You didn't see him at all today,

743
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:36,500
you know, so I think he'll know 
which strings to pull depending 

744
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:39,400
on who Indiana plays. 
I wish I had a clearer answer 

745
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,800
for you, but I think ultimately 
what they need is better minutes

746
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,400
out of their starters. 
Release the ones that haven't 

747
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,700
contributed to the level of the 
big three that you talked about.

748
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:49,100
You have any additional thoughts
on this Scott? 

749
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,600
Not about this now. 
Okay. 

750
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,600
So yeah, Dan Corral ask do we 
see a different outcome today? 

751
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,200
If Woodson made more use of his 
bench this year / 25 on the 

752
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,300
floor weren't so exhausted. 
No, I don't mean. 

753
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:04,600
I think you'd rather have had 
the Five Guys that you ended the

754
00:37:04,607 --> 00:37:08,400
game with exhausted. 
Then three of those guys those 

755
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,100
guys. 
Yeah. 

756
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,900
I just that's that's the that's 
the hand that was dealt this 

757
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:15,000
year and It's unfortunate. 
It turned out this way, but 

758
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,300
there's not a lot of well, I 
think we've seen enough evidence

759
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:20,800
at this point. 
Patrick asks, two-parter will I 

760
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,200
use defensive intensity carry 
over to the NCAA tournament or 

761
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,900
does the physical nature of Big 
Ten result? 

762
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:28,400
And I you getting in foul 
trouble. 

763
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:31,800
I honestly so on that front 
Scott. 

764
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,500
I'm curious your thoughts here. 
I feel like the NCAA tournament 

765
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:36,700
might be the best thing ever for
are you? 

766
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,700
Because they're not going to 
have to deal with with Big Ten. 

767
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:42,500
Officials who seem to think that
Indiana is the only team that 

768
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:45,600
found Girls when they're out 
there on the floor, I do worry a

769
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,900
little bit about Xavier Johnson 
in an NCAA tournament 

770
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:51,300
environment, but if they're 
lacks in their foul calling 

771
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:53,300
maybe that actually helps him 
instead of hurts him. 

772
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:56,000
Yeah. 
I mean I was the point that I 

773
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,500
yes the point that I want to say
about Xavier Johnson, is he? 

774
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,600
I've been so impressed by him. 
I think he gets, you know, 95% 

775
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,800
of the credit. 
You've got to give some credit 

776
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,800
to Woodsen. 
I would assume is also kind of 

777
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,200
shepherding him as a player but 
you know, early on you and I 

778
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,700
would joke we could kind of see 
See it like once Xavier got 

779
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:16,800
fouled, you could tell he was 
pissed that he immediately 

780
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,300
started searching looking to get
another phallic. 

781
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:22,300
Just was putting trying to put 
the rest in a spot to make a 

782
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:23,900
tough call. 
Although it didn't go his way. 

783
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:27,000
He got more pissed and you could
just see teams like Saint. 

784
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,600
John's just getting into his 
head. 

785
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,100
It's like, oh wait, we own this 
guy? 

786
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:31,800
Like I'm getting space in your 
head. 

787
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:34,300
That doesn't happen anymore. 
You saw today. 

788
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:35,500
He got he had a foul against 
him. 

789
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:38,500
He was pissed and he kind of 
searched out a little bit of a 

790
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,300
foul but he kept within himself 
and he's done. 

791
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:45,800
I mean, it's been Six weeks now 
where he has just been very 

792
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,700
aggressive but focused 
aggression on the court and 

793
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:54,300
aggression that we need. 
So I actually feel very I would 

794
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:56,900
hate to eat these words, but I'm
comfortable saying it now. 

795
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,500
I'm very comfortable with our 
ability to stay out of foul 

796
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:02,800
trouble, because I think Xavier 
is going to be aggressive. 

797
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,600
He might get one foul. 
Might look pissed. 

798
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,000
He might go hunting a second 
foul. 

799
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,500
But he's shown the ability to 
hit the e brake on himself and 

800
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:12,500
get himself back in line when he
needs to and the rest of the 

801
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,000
Team, like we talked about 
earlier Tres Jackson Davis for 

802
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,400
the most part doesn't foul but 
he just isn't a guy who gets 

803
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,700
himself in a lot of foul 
trouble. 

804
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,600
Neither his race Thompson, you 
know, our problems were in some 

805
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,500
of those games officiated at Big
Ten officials were traced 

806
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:27,500
Jackson Davis got to immediate 
fouls and rate. 

807
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:28,900
Xavier was pissed and he got 
fouled. 

808
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:31,300
Like those are games. 
Like you said, I don't think 

809
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:32,200
we're going to have in the 
tournament. 

810
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,800
So I'm not as nervous about that
and the credit has to go on the 

811
00:39:36,808 --> 00:39:39,300
shoulder. 
Xavier Johnson, who is really 

812
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:42,600
threaded a very tough needle 
with playing. 

813
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,900
So aggressively and yet, within 
himself, and yet a lot of times 

814
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:50,500
on the razor's Edge because like
even today he had two fouls and 

815
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:52,000
he knew starting the second 
half. 

816
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:54,700
If he gets to third foul. 
He's on the bench and never did.

817
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,200
I mean, so he's done an amazing 
job and I think we all have to 

818
00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:01,000
honestly trust and Xavier. 
That's why it's funny watching 

819
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,800
with people who are probably 
less. 

820
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,900
I you fans that I am, you know, 
he'll do some plays like oh God,

821
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:09,500
they'll get frustrated. 
It's like, hey, that's that's 

822
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:12,000
all part of the experience. 
But like in the end, it's going 

823
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,600
to be a plus. 
Us Plus for us. 

824
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,700
So it's like, sometimes it's 
almost like the the movies like,

825
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:20,100
you know, Tom Hanks does 3403 
for us than one for him or he 

826
00:40:20,107 --> 00:40:22,300
doesn't deserve a. 
It's like sometimes like, extras

827
00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:25,400
get to play for him. 
But just like, but he gives us 

828
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,400
eight. 
Really good plays. 

829
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,300
And so, he gets one for him. 
I am with you on that. 

830
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,900
It was funny. 
I was watching the Illinois game

831
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:37,500
and X made some some 
questionable plays early and 

832
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:39,500
there was there were people at 
the place. 

833
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,600
I was watching just kind of 
screaming, like, get this guy 

834
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:42,600
out. 
He's a disaster. 

835
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:44,400
I kind of turned around. 
I was like, no, no. 

836
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,300
No, this is part of the 
experience. 

837
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:48,800
Okay. 
It's almost like a ride at 

838
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,400
Disney, like it really? 
It's, it's really fascinating 

839
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,700
like the leave your hands and 
keep your hands in. 

840
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:59,100
That know, it's and and you just
don't know what you're getting. 

841
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:03,000
But I will say in all 
seriousness, his contributions. 

842
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,400
During this Big Ten Tournament 
should go down as stuff of 

843
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,400
Legend and IU basketball. 
Just, I mean, a because there's 

844
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,300
been so few legendary 
performances by You basketball 

845
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:15,800
players in the Big Ten 
Tournament, but you know, to 

846
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,500
wrap up with 21, assists over 
three games, you know, for a 

847
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:25,700
guard 14, rebounds. 
He went what 15 for 16 from the 

848
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:31,500
free-throw line, scored, 17, 13.
And 20 points, played 27, 36 and

849
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:36,300
33 minutes had four steals only 
turn the ball over eight times 

850
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:37,900
over the course of three full 
games. 

851
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:39,900
I mean, that is, that is 
legendary stuff. 

852
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:42,600
And that is, it's a shame that 
his efforts. 

853
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,100
Today, which I thought was 
exemplary was not rewarded with 

854
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:49,200
a victory because I think he 
deserved a chance to play on a 

855
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,200
bigger stage in the Big Ten 
Tournament than what he got to. 

856
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:55,000
He might well and and I will say
like the thing that doesn't show

857
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,900
up on the stat sheet is I really
have to say he single-handedly 

858
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:00,300
change the attitude of this 
team. 

859
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:02,300
I mean this team was kind of 
wandering and seemed a little 

860
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:05,600
bit of drift and it was like 
Xavier was playing at a level 

861
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,700
the last couple of weeks. 
The Big Ten were, it's like that

862
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:09,800
guy. 
Is he cares? 

863
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,400
He really busting his ass. 
He's going hard. 

864
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,700
He On the Rutgers game. 
And the only thing I can just 

865
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:18,000
like he willed other guys to 
him. 

866
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,800
He's like, no, we're gonna play 
this way. 

867
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,600
Like we are, this is how we're 
going to play. 

868
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:24,400
Yeah, before we get to these 
final questions. 

869
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,000
I wish we could get to all of 
them, but we do have some on the

870
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,200
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Anyway, some questions here, 

884
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,400
kind of a general lead in from 
Hooper ROTC. 

885
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:19,700
I'd love to hear your thoughts 
on how the trajectory of a 

886
00:43:19,707 --> 00:43:22,600
program could change in three 
days and we kind of talked about

887
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,400
this a little earlier, but I do 
think Scott that again. 

888
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,100
It's like internal and external 
momentum, but it's also this 

889
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:30,300
idea that now you get to play 
for something else. 

890
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:35,600
And I do think that it's not 
just that I you played so well 

891
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,800
over the course of the last 
Three days and 12 games and and 

892
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,500
you know went right down to the 
wire with Iowa and the third but

893
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,200
it really changes the entire 
narrative on the season. 

894
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,200
If you think about it, I was 
talking with somebody earlier 

895
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,800
and they were like, okay did we 
have we misread this team 

896
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,900
entirely? 
Or they actually a lot better 

897
00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:59,300
than we thought they were. 
You look at the, you know, the 

898
00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:02,100
sum of the power rankings. 
Maybe not so much palm oil 

899
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:03,700
though. 
They're in the top 40 of Pomeroy

900
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:06,700
now, but Haslam metrics, which 
I'm a big fan. 

901
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:10,200
Of and Bart torvik side of had 
Indiana and the top 25 for a 

902
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,800
while and they've gotten kind of
derided. 

903
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:16,200
It's funny because Indiana has 
ended up being an analytics 

904
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,600
case. 
Study along with Virginia Tech 

905
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:21,400
of teams that were ranked, 
highly but didn't have a lot of 

906
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,800
wins to show for it. 
And it's like, well, is that 

907
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,500
because the team isn't good? 
Or is it because they're just 

908
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:29,000
playing really good competition.
And they're also unlucky. 

909
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:32,300
Both teams have gotten an 
opportunity now in the 

910
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,300
conference tournaments, to, to 
show what they can do. 

911
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:40,200
And so So look, I think a lot of
it to go back to the question is

912
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,900
winning changes the narrative on
so much and it if Indiana goes 

913
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:48,500
out and if they make the NCAA 
tournament, which I think they 

914
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:51,600
will, and if they, if they're 
able to win a game in the NCAA 

915
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,100
tournament, suddenly this whole 
season looks entirely different 

916
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,600
and maybe we don't even think 
about most of the things we're 

917
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,300
thinking about in January and 
February about this team yam. 

918
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:04,000
It's a lot of stuff I talked 
about earlier, but we're in a 

919
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,700
weird spot where, you know, four
days ago. 

920
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:10,100
We were staring down the barrel 
of a pretty ugly offseason like,

921
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:12,700
especially if that Michigan 
game, like I said, if we lose by

922
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:15,700
20 to Michigan, yeah, I think 
the offseason is going to be 

923
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:17,600
ugly and we're gonna have a lot 
of questions and it would have 

924
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,300
been a lot of you and I probably
would have podcast so much, but 

925
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:22,400
it's not like I remember taking 
some time off, we talked about 

926
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,600
that, you know, but right now, 
we're at a point where I think 

927
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,100
even if, you know, if we play 
tough and lose the first round 

928
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:31,400
of an 11-6 matchup, I think 
we're all kind of like, alright,

929
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,000
that was a good. 
All right, we did, you know, 

930
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:34,700
mission accomplished. 
So to speak. 

931
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:37,300
Like that was a season. 
Now, we can look at Adding for 

932
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:39,600
next year and there's an 
optimistic way to look at a lot 

933
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,600
of things and I think people 
will take that view and they 

934
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,200
have some reason to back it up. 
So yeah, maybe a couple wins 

935
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Chase everything into your, you 
know, if they win a game or two 

936
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,700
in the tournament, you know, 
they're it that changing that 

937
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:55,900
really changes everything 
because then you have I 

938
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:58,300
guarantee among like I'll just 
throw out some names here 

939
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:03,900
between you know, Iowa, 
Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, 

940
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:06,500
State, Purdue and Michigan 
State. 

941
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,100
All teams you would say had 
better Seasons that Us in the 

942
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:11,100
Big Ten. 
I don't think all seven of those

943
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:14,000
teams are getting the sweet 16 
like a couple of those not going

944
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,800
to make it and so if you can get
deeper in the tournament than 

945
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,800
them you have a wow, like that 
was a season. 

946
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,200
Like, what was that? 
I mean, so you're at a point 

947
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,600
where a lotta guess a couple 
more wins really makes you look 

948
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,000
at everything differently, but I
think what's interesting is 

949
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,500
we're at a point right now where
I think that even if we lose our

950
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:36,800
next game, I think that we go 
into the offseason in just A 

951
00:46:36,808 --> 00:46:39,400
million percent, more positive 
manner than we were two or three

952
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,000
days ago, which to me is is 
hugely important. 

953
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:44,400
Based on, where I, you Athletics
is what's happened with football

954
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,700
and kind of the way the season 
felt like it was ending. 

955
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:52,100
We really really needed this. 
Yeah, let's get to the second 

956
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:54,900
part of that question from 
earlier, which is like what 

957
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:59,000
basically the question was what 
teams that I you might 

958
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,900
potentially play against do? 
They match up well with as so 

959
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:05,400
let Kalin question, let's go 
back to what you mentioned. 

960
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,500
So 11 seed Of seed, I think 
that's likely where Indiana 

961
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:11,800
lands and rather the playing or 
are we going to date and or what

962
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,900
do you think, look? 
So let me start with that. 

963
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:15,400
I think it's a really good place
to start. 

964
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,100
I think that there there's just 
as good of a chance that Indiana

965
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:23,400
will not be in the play-in game 
as will be in the playing game. 

966
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,700
And ultimately what it comes 
down to is we don't know for 

967
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:33,000
sure what the NCAA tournament 
selection committee will choose 

968
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,100
to value or not value. 
Based upon the resumes of Teams 

969
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:39,500
and and this is where 
Bracketology gets confusing. 

970
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:41,200
Because you see lunardi pushed 
post. 

971
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,000
Something up and linearity is 
not even like JoJo's. 

972
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,100
Oh, he's a friendly guy. 
We've had him on the podcast 

973
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:49,400
before. 
He's not always very accurate 

974
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,800
with his actual bracket picking,
you know. 

975
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,900
Some when I look at the guesses 
and that's all they are at. 

976
00:47:55,900 --> 00:48:01,000
This point is guesses. 
A lot of them are predicated on 

977
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,400
what specific criteria. 
The committee has chosen to use 

978
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,600
in the past and that's not 
always what they choose to. 

979
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,200
Who's in the present, you know, 
the the case for Indiana is very

980
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,000
simple at this point that the 
the reason why they weren't 

981
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,200
considered in the field before 
we went into this last couple of

982
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,900
days is that they were lacking 
in games. 

983
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,900
Wins wins away from home against
good competition. 

984
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:23,500
Will guess what? 
They got two of them and they 

985
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:26,100
almost got a third. 
So, that's off the table. 

986
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:29,300
It's why everybody's been saying
look Indiana's in the question, 

987
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:32,800
then is, where do they rank? 
And at this point and the 

988
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,600
granted? 
I haven't completely updated 

989
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:39,100
everything. 
Thing that I did earlier today, 

990
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:42,200
I was, I was on a plane doing a 
bracket. 

991
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:44,400
That's when you know, you're a 
complete nerd, by the way, 

992
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,700
folks, if you're doing a bracket
on a play, but, but as of this 

993
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:51,300
morning before the Indiana game,
tipped off my last eight in, 

994
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:57,800
we're so the first four will be 
teams that would Escape Dayton. 

995
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,500
And the last four would be teams
would be in dated my last four 

996
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:04,900
in without the by we're 
Michigan, Indiana, Miami and 

997
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:08,800
Texas A&M and The top four teams
in Dayton would be Notre Dame 

998
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,200
Oklahoma Rutgers and Virginia 
Tech. 

999
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:16,400
It's real tight though, because 
you could make an argument for 

1000
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,400
Wyoming, you can make an 
argument for SMU who's playing 

1001
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,300
right now. 
There were they're actually down

1002
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:26,400
for with, about a minute to go. 
That's a game. 

1003
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,200
You would Indiana would like to 
see SM you lose that game, you 

1004
00:49:30,207 --> 00:49:33,500
know, you can make an argument 
for a couple of other teams, but

1005
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:36,300
the big question is really if 
Indiana's and I think like I 

1006
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:38,600
said, there's Safely and where 
do they rank? 

1007
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,300
Are they ahead of Michigan? 
I think in some cases you could 

1008
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:43,400
look at them and say, yes, they 
should be ahead of Michigan. 

1009
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,100
In other ways. 
You could look at them. 

1010
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:47,600
Say well, Michigan did slightly 
more with Rutgers. 

1011
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:52,500
I mean, Rutgers beat Indiana has
better wins, but worse losses, 

1012
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,800
you know, Miami's kind of in 
this boat where they've got a 

1013
00:49:55,808 --> 00:49:58,200
couple of really good wins, but 
their overall body of Works 

1014
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,200
probably weaker than Indiana and
they're worse than the 

1015
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,100
predictive is the the power 
rankings and things like that. 

1016
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,500
And so that's where I don't. 
Totally know I have I really do 

1017
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:12,000
think if I'm, if I had to put 
money on it right now as of 747 

1018
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:17,400
on Saturday before the draw, I 
think Indiana will be an 11 seed

1019
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,900
or a 12 seed, but not in a 
play-in game. 

1020
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:23,900
So I think they're going to 
avoid Dayton with all that said.

1021
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:27,300
Then we have to look at okay, 
who are the potential five and 

1022
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:29,000
six seeds? 
That Indiana might play. 

1023
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,700
And who were they match up well 
against. 

1024
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:36,300
So right now bracket Matrix kind
of has a consensus where the 5S 

1025
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:38,900
are. 
Are in some order, Houston 

1026
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Yukon, st. 
Mary's and Iowa and then the six

1027
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,400
seeds are Texas, LSU, Alabama, 
Colorado State. 

1028
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,000
Well, I got great news for you. 
Who's your fans? 

1029
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,800
They're not going to play, Iowa 
in the first round, that's 

1030
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,800
against the bracketing rules so 
we can take them off the table. 

1031
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:57,400
The rest of the teams that I 
look at their, you know, they're

1032
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,700
hard to judge Apples to Apples 
to some degree, but I do think 

1033
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:07,100
that from my perspective Indiana
wants to avoid Names that are 

1034
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:12,600
like hyper good on offense. 
The Iowa's, the produce, it just

1035
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,300
those teams feel like very 
difficult for Indiana to stop. 

1036
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:19,100
You know, I Houston's are really
intriguing team. 

1037
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:21,000
But I actually think they're 
really good on offense and gets 

1038
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,200
a team. 
You'd like to avoid. 

1039
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,100
I'd love it if they got LSU and 
that's not just because will 

1040
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:28,000
Wade got fired? 
But that was like the ideal 

1041
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,100
match of for Indiana. 
Another grinded team defensively

1042
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,700
or, you know, that can't score 
that much. 

1043
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:38,000
I think Indiana in their current
Incarnation would Be a really 

1044
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:40,500
that would be a really good 
matchup for Indiana in that 

1045
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:43,600
round. 
I think Colorado state would be 

1046
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,600
a really good matchup for 
Indiana in that route. 

1047
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,300
If they indeed get up to a 6 
seed because Colorado State. 

1048
00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:53,000
While they're good, and they're 
predictors are really good. 

1049
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,700
I don't think there is good as 
their seating lines going to be,

1050
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:58,200
so I think there'd be some value
there, you know, where, I think 

1051
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,000
Indiana would really struggle. 
I would worry about them against

1052
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,200
Saint. 
Mary's a little bit, not so much

1053
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,600
because of st. 
Mary's offensive efficiency, but

1054
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:09,600
the fact that st. 
Mary's shoots the three really 

1055
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:10,900
well to shoot free throws 
really. 

1056
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:13,000
Well, they do all the little 
offensive things that I would 

1057
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,700
worry about a little bit with 
Indiana, but again, so much 

1058
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:18,700
could change even between now 
and tomorrow. 

1059
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:22,400
In terms of Micromanaging. 
What the seed lines are? 

1060
00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:24,700
I am really curious to see how 
that plays out. 

1061
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:27,900
But LSU's my dream opponent. 
Let's let's just try to lock 

1062
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:31,100
that in and keep our fingers 
crossed that that's how it works

1063
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:34,300
out. 
And then with Houston the NCAA 

1064
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:35,600
is going to put us in their 
bracket. 

1065
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,400
Right? 
Like we got to have well, it 

1066
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,000
depends like I could see a 
scenario where Houston's seated 

1067
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,900
as high as a three or as low as 
a 5. 

1068
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:46,100
So it you know, if it's a 
situation where there are there 

1069
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:50,800
are three and Indiana's and 11 
sure but That's almost an 

1070
00:52:50,808 --> 00:52:53,800
incidental matchup. 
I do think that would be fun. 

1071
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:56,800
I think a team like Texas Tech 
would be a really interesting 

1072
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,200
matchup for Indiana in the 
second round. 

1073
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,200
But I'm more worried about 
whoever the first round is going

1074
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,400
to be for Indiana at this point.
I will also say this as somebody

1075
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,000
who's thinking about possibly 
going, there's a lot of sites 

1076
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,300
that are relatively close for 
Indiana fans to go to, and it 

1077
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:14,700
does feel like there's a little 
bit of momentum. 

1078
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:17,200
You know, it looked like game 
Bridge had a lot of Indiana 

1079
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,700
fans, you know, at the bar was 
that had a lot of Indiana fans. 

1080
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,600
They're like, I think there's 
momentum for people to go to 

1081
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,900
these games that you look at it.
It's like okay. 

1082
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:27,900
Buffalo is not great. 
I would be shocked if they're 

1083
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:30,300
playing in Indianapolis. 
That's not gonna happen. 

1084
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:34,000
But you know, Fort Worth is not 
illogical, Greenville, South 

1085
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,600
Carolina, Milwaukee 
pittsburgher. 

1086
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,100
All those are all pretty easy 
drives for Indiana fans. 

1087
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:41,000
The only two that are tough are 
Portland, Oregon and San Diego 

1088
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,500
which might be fun for me to go 
to with my son. 

1089
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:46,900
But it feels like it looks like 
I have this feels like a year, 

1090
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:48,500
we get shipped out there. 
It's like that's kind of where 

1091
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:52,200
well, he's get shipped but But I
mean, ultimately, this is where 

1092
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,700
the for, for a team like, 
Indiana, who would be like an 11

1093
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:59,100
seed. 
You are really like, at the 

1094
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:01,800
mercy of every. 
Yeah, so let's let's take the, 

1095
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:04,400
the idea that Indiana being 
eleven seat what that what would

1096
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,500
happen then is, you're going to 
get stuck in the region that is 

1097
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:12,500
favorable to the three seed that
they've decided to use as the 

1098
00:54:12,508 --> 00:54:14,900
primary bracketing for that 
region. 

1099
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,500
So, you know, like the in my 
most recent bracket, I had, 

1100
00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:23,900
Indiana Is an 11 playing LSU who
was a six Houston was the three.

1101
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,600
And that was in Portland. 
Not because that was 

1102
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,500
advantageous for Houston. 
But because by the time Houston 

1103
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:33,700
gets their assignment, there's 
nothing else left. 

1104
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:35,300
Everything? 
You both Fort Worth sites or 

1105
00:54:35,308 --> 00:54:38,200
taken greenville's taken. 
So they end up getting shipped 

1106
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,400
out there. 
Now you could just as easily. 

1107
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,300
I mean, you look at the other 
the other three seed pods, they 

1108
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:46,100
could easily get stuck in 
Pittsburgh. 

1109
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:50,100
Which again I think as you said 
would be good, you know, the And

1110
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:51,900
the other one that we had was 
Fort Worth. 

1111
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:54,800
I was Texas Tech. 
I mean Michigan was the 11 seed 

1112
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,600
in that region that could just 
as easily be Indiana. 

1113
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,900
So the I think the only way I 
would count on at this point. 

1114
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:04,500
If I'm an IU fan is that you're 
not going to be in Indianapolis 

1115
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,400
and you have almost an equal 
shot of being in any of the 

1116
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,000
other brackets provided you're 
not in the play-in game to start

1117
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,900
with. 
Yeah, but like I said, I think 

1118
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:16,000
outside of probably Buffalo 
Portland and San Diego. 

1119
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,200
You could have a pretty good 
Indiana. 

1120
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,200
Crowley. 
This is, I will Echo. 

1121
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,800
What Trace Jackson Davis said, 
this is probably a team. 

1122
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,900
I wouldn't want to face, right? 
If I must succeed, like it's 

1123
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:27,200
like you're going to have again.
Let's just say the games in 

1124
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,800
Pittsburgh or Greenville. 
I think you're going to have a 

1125
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,100
good Indiana contingent there. 
Me Indiana, fans, do travel when

1126
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:36,100
they're fired up a really 
travel, you know, and it's like 

1127
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:38,600
this is a tough 11. 
See this is not a team. 

1128
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,700
I would want to play if we were 
a 60 but that way now, I think I

1129
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:47,000
think there's a lot to that and 
ultimately, you know, the big 

1130
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,100
ask for Indiana at this point is
that they have They have to get 

1131
00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:54,400
the weather to figure out a 
bottle, what they did this past 

1132
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,900
few days and carry that forward.
And that's ultimately kind of 

1133
00:55:57,900 --> 00:56:00,200
goes back to the questions that 
God asked of us earlier. 

1134
00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:03,600
Indiana has to come out with 
that type of fight. 

1135
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:07,200
I think they've got a great 
chance against whoever they play

1136
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:11,800
in the first round because 
they're not going to be used to 

1137
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,800
playing a defense as good as 
Indiana's. 

1138
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,300
If Indiana steps up and really 
plays well. 

1139
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:19,600
And Trace Jackson Davis, who has
been anchored. 

1140
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,900
To these Defenders that he's had
to go up against in the big tent

1141
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:25,200
for so long. 
We'll get an opportunity to work

1142
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,900
with a lot more space with 
players that don't know what his

1143
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:30,000
moves are necessarily or at 
least won't be able to 

1144
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,500
effectively stop them. 
That has a lot of potential 

1145
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:35,200
positive benefits, but it's so 
much of it with this Indiana 

1146
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,000
team, ultimately comes down to 
effort and attitude, their own 

1147
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,100
self belief. 
And if if we can take what they 

1148
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:45,100
did the last few days and just 
extrapolate that forward. 

1149
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,300
Yes, I think a victory is 
certainly a potential thing that

1150
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:50,500
Indiana. 
I could come away with in the 

1151
00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:53,000
NCAA tournament may be more than
one but let's not get ahead of 

1152
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,900
ourselves. 
I'm just excited to be watching 

1153
00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:59,300
the tournament. 
I don't Sunday like my son. 

1154
00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:01,900
Grayson you you know is six 
years old. 

1155
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,400
This June he wasn't born the 
last time I did this where I was

1156
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,800
like watching it like think 
excited to see where we're 

1157
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:08,700
going. 
Yeah. 

1158
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:11,000
No, it's actually it is really 
exciting. 

1159
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,100
You know, my you know, my 
daughter who's six was not born.

1160
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:17,700
The last time. 
Indiana was in the NCAA 

1161
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:20,800
tournament. 
It's It's a really. 

1162
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,900
It is exciting. 
It is exciting to see the level 

1163
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:29,700
of potential experience that 
Indiana is going to have here 

1164
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:34,100
and this is we talked about this
for, you know, several times. 

1165
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:37,700
Now you if you're going to start
building fans back and getting 

1166
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:39,700
people really excited about the 
program. 

1167
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:41,800
Again. 
These are the sorts of 

1168
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,700
opportunities that help that and
look. 

1169
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:44,900
Yes. 
I know it's probably going to be

1170
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:48,600
an 11 seed, maybe a 12 seed. 
You got to start somewhere and 

1171
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,200
getting back. 
Back in the tournament just it, 

1172
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:55,100
it changes the narrative on IU 
basketball and where it's going 

1173
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,700
going into the offseason like 
having to deal with an nit bid. 

1174
00:57:58,900 --> 00:58:03,100
And, you know, being in a 
situation where you felt like 

1175
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:05,700
you crash landed at the end of 
the season and everything fell 

1176
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:08,000
apart. 
That's a real hard narrative to 

1177
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,000
overcome. 
And now you don't have to do 

1178
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,500
that. 
Now it's gravy like if they go 

1179
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:14,900
to the NCAA tournament, there 
going to be an underdog and 

1180
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,500
okay. 
So be it if they lose in the 

1181
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:18,100
first round. 
You pull off an upset in the 

1182
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:21,400
first round now. 
The Narrative changes even more 

1183
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,800
real gravy. 
It is, it's great. 

1184
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:28,300
It's it is, it's biscuits and 
gravy at that point and this is 

1185
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:30,100
the end with this because I have
dinner with the kids. 

1186
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:32,500
Yeah, but it is what it is with 
this. 

1187
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:36,700
Like this is, this is what's so 
annoying about, where we've 

1188
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:40,500
been, but where I want to be is,
you know, if you put us into 

1189
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:44,600
that again, this put us in as an
11 seed, you have to be 26, but 

1190
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:49,000
you know, this is where Not all 
tournament, runs are equal. 

1191
00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:51,500
And at this point, I don't care.
You don't need to beat. 

1192
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:54,100
You know, what was it like 
Arizona in like 97? 

1193
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:55,800
You'll be tall. 
Number one seeds to win their 

1194
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,600
title. 
It's like that happens 

1195
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,900
sometimes, right. 
And then other times you win 

1196
00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:03,800
the, the bracket Lottery and 
like, you know, Loyola Chicago 

1197
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,000
is there like you just, you 
know, you don't have to play 

1198
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,200
Virginia's. 
The once, you know, it's 

1199
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,700
University of Maryland Embassy. 
Like there's a world where 

1200
00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:13,700
whoever our Theo Texas Tech 
losses and some of your playing 

1201
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:16,100
New Mexico state and then maybe,
I mean, who knows? 

1202
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:17,500
Maybe the two Is that bracket 
me? 

1203
00:59:17,500 --> 00:59:20,900
Like there could be a path where
you just have a magical run 

1204
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:23,100
where you don't play anybody, 
tough to Italy date. 

1205
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:26,300
And it's like, then you're just 
like Hey, we're playing Duke. 

1206
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:28,400
And if we win, we're going to a 
final four. 

1207
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,500
I think you can make a 
legitimate argument that what 

1208
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:34,200
jump-started Wisconsin's Dynasty
or whatever you want to call is 

1209
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,400
not really a dynasty. 
It's like a petty Kingdom but 

1210
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:41,200
whatever, like the, what would 
jump started, that was being an 

1211
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:46,400
eight seed in 2000 and knocking 
off Stanford out of the blue as 

1212
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,200
a Uncie and getting all the way 
to the final four. 

1213
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,600
And then they do, obviously, 
they lost to Michigan State at 

1214
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,900
that point, but it was like, 
Hey, Wisconsin basketball, not a

1215
00:59:53,908 --> 00:59:58,100
joke anymore and would like one 
or two season exceptions. 

1216
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,300
They have been good for 20 years
since then now, granted, a lot 

1217
01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:03,700
of building went on as a result 
of that, Bo Ryan is a 

1218
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:10,300
generational coach, but one good
tournament appearance can change

1219
01:00:10,300 --> 01:00:12,700
the entire narrative a program. 
And so that's the exciting 

1220
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:14,000
thing. 
And maybe this starts for 

1221
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,800
Indiana in the Big Ten 
Tournament, if we're getting way

1222
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,600
ahead of ourselves. 
Was, I'm not totally sure, but 

1223
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,000
it's exciting to be able to talk
about it. 

1224
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,200
Scott. 
I'm happy to be able to talk 

1225
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,800
with you about it and we'll look
forward to talking with you 

1226
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:24,800
folks about it. 
Again. 

1227
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,100
We will, we might do a very 
brief thing tomorrow where we 

1228
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:31,100
talk about the draw and then 
tomorrow night. 

1229
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:32,500
Yeah. 
Well, let's plan on that. 

1230
01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:34,400
So just keep an eye on the Pod 
feed. 

1231
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,500
If you're not subscribed yet. 
Go ahead and subscribe on. 

1232
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:38,300
ITunes, Crimson cast, on 
Spotify. 

1233
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:40,200
Whatever, we'll have a brief 
thing. 

1234
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,300
That'll drop tomorrow night as 
we talk about. 

1235
01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:44,000
Hopefully, Indiana being in the 
NCAA tournament. 

1236
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,200
I will say this, if they're in 
the NIT, we're not talking. 

1237
01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:50,600
We're just gonna over the post, 
a picture of a puppy on Twitter 

1238
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:57,200
and that will be the podcast. 
But I will be, I will be shocked

1239
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,000
if we're not talking about where
Indiana's playing in the NCAA 

1240
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,400
tournament. 
Come this time tomorrow night. 

1241
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,700
So yeah, I will be traveling to 
Bloomington for nit. 

1242
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:08,800
But I I'm looking forward to a 
pod tomorrow night where I can 

1243
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,200
tell you what my travel plans 
might be. 

1244
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,300
So I want to go. 
I got just I'm kind of like 

1245
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:15,100
this. 
I I feel like I've I'm ready to 

1246
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:16,600
go. 
I'm even ready to be heard. 

1247
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:18,200
Again, all right. 
Let's make it happen. 

1248
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,500
Alright, folks, well for Scott. 
I'm Galen. 

1249
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:22,800
Thanks for joining us. 
Once again, Hoosiers. 

1250
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:26,300
Great week in Indianapolis, and 
hopefully that continues in the 

1251
01:01:26,308 --> 01:01:29,300
NCAA tournament this next week. 
He is Scott. 

1252
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:30,900
I am Galen. 
Thanks to the power rank. 

1253
01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:34,400
Thanks to home-field apparel. 
Will catch you folks on the 

1254
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,600
flipside. 
Bring back the Bison, so 

1255
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:37,000
everybody.