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And welcome back to the Bison 
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Galen Clavio, Joe Cronin joining
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We got Emily Fox behind the 
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making the magic happen. 
We're back a day later than 

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normal. 
We had to too much going on 

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yesterday. 
IU basketball was playing, a 

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bunch of other stuff going on. 
But we're here tonight, whether 

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you're watching us live or 
whether you're going to be 

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tuning in on YouTube after the 
fact or listening on Spotify as 

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we talk IU football. 
Tons to talk about, Joe. 

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We've had the bucket game, we've
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reveal, we've had national 
signing day, all kinds of things

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going on in what is essentially 
an off week for IU as their 

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regular season is over and now 
they await whoever they are 

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going to face in the College 
Football Playoff. 

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Good to see you. 
How you doing today? 

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I'm doing great. 
Just want to preface first, this

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isn't my room. 
I am not a Dodgers fan. 

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This is my roommate Zach. 
It's best for the Wi-Fi 

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situation that has been plaguing
maybe, maybe the chats in in 

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weeks prior, but doing well. 
And Galen, I will say it's been 

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funny, like with the bye week 
before the Ohio State game and 

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then now, which is essentially 
the off week, seems like IU 

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still has plenty of attention in
the football world, in the 

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College Football Playoff world, 
because that other bye week was 

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when Signetti signs that massive
extension. 

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And then now, you know, National
Signing Day is a big deal. 

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And then so much implication, so
much chatter around, like what's

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gonna happen here on a 
championship weekend. 

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It should be fun. 
And, you know, it's been it's 

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been a ride so far. 
And a lot of a lot of eyes are 

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gonna be glued to those, those 
championship games. 

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Yeah, just a ton to to be 
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last weekend and and then not a 
lot of time to linger on it 

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because they're going to do the 
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reveal on Sunday at noon. 
You know, So we're going to go 

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like right from the afterglow 
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you got Big 10 and ACC at 8:00. 
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about 12 hours of sleep and 
we're going to figure out where 

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everybody's going and who 
they're playing. 

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And, you know, we're going to 
talk about that in a minute. 

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We're talking about where 
Indiana's spot is in a minute. 

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First, let's talk a little bit 
about that bucket game, Joe 

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Indiana, a historic whooping on 
Purdue, 66 to nothing. 

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And it was a magical day all the
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You know, it was one of those 
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Everybody was afraid of the 
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It was, it was going to be 
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entered into the forecast and 
you got this almost magical 

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atmospheric condition going on 
in Memorial Stadium. 

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There were a lot of concerns 
about the crowd. 

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Crowd ended up being fine. 
A lot of people there, it was 

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loud and they got treated. 
If you're an IU fan, to one of, 

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if not the greatest moment for 
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back to 1891. 
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I mean, 66 nothing can't really 
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performance. 
And the moment there when Mike 

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Kadik is sprinting, screaming 
with the buck, I mean at knowing

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his story and what he's gone 
through six years now, it just 

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kind of it warmed the heart a 
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I mean, that's a that's a cool 
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no one, no one better really to 
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hoisting it. 
But wow, that was a whooping of 

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all whoopings saw in like the I 
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the end of the season out of 134
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So. 
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They were bad. 
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Were bad thanking their lucky 
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It was ranked dead last. 
It was it was bad and this was a

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historically bad Purdue season. 
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week, they fired Ryan Walters, 
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the game. 
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they waited that long given how 
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You know, it's, it's funny, you 
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they weren't great last year, 
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And if you kind of stopped at 
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year and you thought about the 
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at that point, Tom Allen was 
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You know, Ryan Walters hadn't 
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illustrated that he was going to
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if you were a Purdue fan at that
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And for IU fans, it looked like,
God, we're going to have another

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season where things aren't going
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What a difference, what a 
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It's it's hard. 
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anybody, fans, media, anybody 
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believe that. 
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Indiana was finishing off a 
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depressing loss against the not 
very good Purdue team on the 

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road. 
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and launch themselves into the 
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just, it does it. 
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You can't really make the 
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head. 
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funny, but interesting. 
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bucket game, The, the, the loser
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longer there. 
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Walters not being maybe fired in
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Purdue could have done that 
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second year. 
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enough. 
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this is not getting any better. 
There was no juice within that 

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program. 
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it's still a rivalry game, but 
they go down, you know, 21 zero.

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What, what more, what more fight
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What more are they playing for? 
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sign right there that something 
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And with Indiana last year, what
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they had a complete overhaul 
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And then really the rest is 
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Threw out all the buzz chatter, 
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the Big 10 finishing tied for 
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I think they blocked out enough 
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a complete 18180 on top of that 
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I'm not really I think they just
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But, you know, IU is is here and
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of, you know, being a playoff 
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And I mean, I, I believe that 
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I don't think they'll be 
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I think they'll be locked right 
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And I think it was good to see 
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There should be much more 
motion, but one more ranking 

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remains. 
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that'll be the one on on Sunday.
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think, really good shape. 
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here in a little bit. 
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the bucket game just by saying 
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It's really fascinating to me 
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IU and the investments that they
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to get to the point that they're
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And they continue to make those 
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And, you know, there was an 
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about Purdue where, you know, 
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Ryan Walters, who, you know, 
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an interview so soon after being
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the NIL situation is at Purdue. 
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they have much of A plan. 
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lot of times when we've had 
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historically, the administration
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providing support at the levels 
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And that has been a historical 
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But it is amazing, like two 
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in terms of success. 
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gone back and forth where 
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Like there's always 1 is good or
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It's just fascinating that IU 
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accelerator and it's like, yes, 
we're going to go hire this 

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coach and his staff. 
We're going to give him all this

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NIL money we're going to have 
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Then we're going to build on 
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him $8 million a year, which is 
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either Indiana or Purdue. 
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pool, increase the NIL pool. 
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this as a case study, watching 
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always been kind of joined at 
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Purdue's always been a little 
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and Indiana's like, we don't 
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Now we have got to hit the gas 
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And again, you know, I say this,
I've said this pretty much every

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week, but you got to give the 
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finally stepping up to the plate
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to kind of elevate Indiana in 
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I will say in more of the brand,
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but in the brand of college 
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die moment that if you're a name
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massive school. 
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lot of distinguished alumni 
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That was the time that if 
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football, it's when they bring 
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they bring in this new culture. 
It makes it so much easier in a 

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sense that maybe, you know, they
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How hard or how easy is it to to
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But you bring in this new guy 
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and O and people start to 
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roll in. 
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he gets that massive contract. 
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deserved contracts in all of 
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And it's just part of the way 
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season has gone. 
I mean, one example is also with

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SMUI Mean this was a team that 
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they were doing NIL before NIL 
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They're paying players pretty 
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They got caught, they got 
caught. 

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There's no hiding it. 
Joe, they were. 

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Passing out cash. 
Filled envelopes in the locker 

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room. 
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I won't even say under the 
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It was blatant. 
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They get severely punished, hit 
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Now they're in their first year 
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much locked in for a playoff 
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And it's a little different. 
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Indiana, but it's a kind of a 
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It's like they could invest, 
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moment. 
It's like. 

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Well, well, and it's that and 
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what there's a there's a few 
things you left out a like SMU 

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boosters have more money. 
Yes, the the SMU boosters are 

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are are swimming. 
There's an insane amount of oil 

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money and what? 
Was what was the duck? 

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What's the duck's name that 
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Oh, Scrooge Mcduck. 
Scrooge Mcduck, Yes. 

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Just a bunch of bunch of those 
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He was fascinating about SMU and
we'll talk about this again when

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we get to the playoff thing a 
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But this isn't a program that 
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into a major conference. 
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get into the ACC that they 
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any television money for like 9 
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member of the ACC. 
Florida State, in their lawsuit 

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against the ACC trying to break 
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that's holding them there until 
2036, actually argued that 

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having SMU in the conference was
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schedule and was going to hurt 
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ACC. 
Which was maybe even more ironic

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now by the fact that a, as you 
said, SM us in the driver's seat

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for a College Football Playoff 
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And of course, Florida State 
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Bad season for them, bad year. 
Anyway, back on Indiana and 

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Purdue, I'm I'll say this, you 
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basketball that I feel in 
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I would love nothing more than 
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that was good every year that 
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that had teams that were playing
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or January. 
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where it would be great if 
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NIL situation. 
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caught on the wrong side of an 
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era is gone. 
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you get yourself into the 
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Can you get the the money that's
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competitive on the marketplace? 
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hiring process is like, you 
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gold like Indiana struck with 
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you know, has been amazing, even
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fever dream moments could not 
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this year. 
It's a it's kind of lightning in

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a bottle to some degree. 
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I think it's sustainable. 
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sustainable for Signetti. 
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had somebody come up to me the 
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football that much. 
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back earlier on in the in the 
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know, this new coach seems to be
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I'm like, you know, he's doing 
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She's like, well, well, why 
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that before? 
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work that way. 
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if someone's going to totally 
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I mean, I'll note in the Big 10,
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consensus Jonathan Smith was? 
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Michigan State. 
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he inherited quite a dumpster 
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situation, I do have to feel 
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But but the reality is, like 
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great, great pedigree, did 
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I mean, that's a guy with some 
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don't always work out. 
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some real problems. 
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mean their their performance 
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reminds me a lot of like that 
that 2021 year that timeout had.

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I did see something crazy, if 
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34 point lead they would be 6:00
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I like, I almost feel bad. 
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bad. 
I feel. 

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I that's what I almost like. 
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but anyway, Indiana 66 nothing 
as we mentioned, the the biggest

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margin of victory for IU in 
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biggest margin of victory ever. 
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count because it was in 1892. 
Purdue won 68 to nothing but 

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Indiana had so few players that 
like there was an article in the

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Indiana daily student like 
shaming men on the IU campus for

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not going out and playing on the
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That's how bad in the Indian 
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at that point for five years and
they hadn't they hadn't fielded 

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a regular team, but for one 
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This was still like a like a a 
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intramural field being coached 
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That's how long ago that it was.
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was the largest margin of 
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tip of the cat. 
This is how this is one of those

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things. 
It's like this is how you get 

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people unquestioningly devoted 
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You you win big games and you go
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rival, right? 
Like that. 

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I mean, anybody that was in that
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the next however many years, 
Joe, when you're going to games 

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when you're 70, you know, and 
it's, it's whatever, 20/20/75 or

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whatever you're going to be 
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stadium when Indiana eat Purdue 
66 to nothing. 

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These are the gifts that keep on
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Yeah, I mean, that's really what
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I they, what they did is what 
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what these top level teams do to
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caliber 66. 
That's a, that's a lot. 

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And considering there wasn't a 
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for the 1st 9 minutes, both 
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start the game. 
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teams had to punt on their first
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But I just kind of it was the 
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tremendous, tremendous regular 
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historic one that one that, like
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not just the game this whole 
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And I'll go back to your point 
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in his wildest dreams he 
couldn't have thought 11 and one

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playoff berth right on the right
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It was at UCLAI was down in the 
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close to Sig watches, you know, 
fist up. 

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And I noticed Olson and he like 
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And I don't want to say for 
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like tears in his eyes and was 
like he this was and this was 

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also the same moment that 
someone asked Mike Katie, we got

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to talk to him on Saturday after
the game. 

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He said that was also the moment
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Like what had what is happening 
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first two games was, you know, 
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go and that was the moment three
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it's like, oh, this what is 
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This is a team that can compete 
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can compete and they're about to
in front of the entire nation at

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the highest level. 
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have invested. 
I mean, there was a packed house

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at Memorial Stadium up until 
it's about like, you know, 5052 

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to 0 or whatever it was. 
So they, they had a good show 

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and students were there and of 
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significant. 
A funny moment. 

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He was like fans didn't say the 
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cold or whatever. 
It was something like that. 

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I was like, wow, this guy just. 
All. 

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Cast all the time. 
He is a deadpan comedian. 

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It's always great to see. 
But no, you're right. 

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I mean, there was there, I 
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too, and I remember Dolson 
coming off and, and it, it did 

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kind of look like he was 
emotional. 

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But I like a lot of people who 
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long time were really emotional 
after that game. 

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It was, it was an early idea 
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And I, I think I got asked this 
on another podcast, but it's 

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like, you know, what was the 
turning point moment where you 

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really felt like this team could
be special, like really special.

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And to me it was, it was almost 
certainly the Nebraska game, you

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know, because, you know, you 
think about it like the 

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Northwestern game, you're like, 
OK, there's something real going

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on here. 
But there was still some flaws. 

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The Nebraska game was such a 
flawless set of circumstances 

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that, you know, you, you 
couldn't help but being there 

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and listening to the crowd and 
watching the team perform to 

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that level and just be like, 
wow, what is going on? 

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And it's, you know, did the 
season end perfectly? 

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No, obviously, you know, you 
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You've had some angst over 
whether Indiana is is safe in 

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the playoff. 
I think they are now. 

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But it, it is really fascinating
kind of going back in your mind 

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and trying to think through 
like, at what point did you 

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change your mind about what you 
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And I think that it's a really 
fascinating thing that to walk 

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through just from a mental 
perspective and, and watching 

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people like Scott Dolson, who 
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games, watching Signetti slowly 
start to warm up to the crowds, 

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watching the team, you know, 
really like fully embracing the 

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students and the crowd and just 
becoming like the whole thing's 

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just kind of grown together in a
way that is really, really fun 

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and wholesome in a way that we 
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college football. 
They they were growing all at 

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the same time, 'cause I mean, 
freshmen on campus are 

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witnessing the best IU football 
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It'd be in Bloomington. 
And, and just with that Nebraska

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game, I mean, there was feelings
like what if they go beat 

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Michigan by 40? 
What if they go to Columbus and 

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beat Ohio State by two scores? 
Obviously that didn't happen. 

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Both those didn't happen. 
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obviously Ryan Day did say you 
got to learn how to lose and 

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Indiana learned how to lose. 
Another thing with that, there 

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was only one undefeated FBS team
in the regular season. 

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Teams were losing and even that 
they squeaked by some games. 

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Wisconsin, Ohio State at home, 
Boise State at home, Oregon, 

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fantastic team. 
Definitely the number number one

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team in the country by far, or 
just at least from being 

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undefeated, but it wasn't easy 
for them. 

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So this has been a fantastic 
just year of college football on

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the national scale, not just 
with the Indiana. 

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And Indiana is just one of those
pieces that makes it. 

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Just just such a special year 
around, I mean this new 12 team 

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format in the play offs and the 
storylines and IU is really at 

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kind of the front of this 
awesome college football story 

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that's happening. 
Well, they're at the front of 

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it. 
Unless you're a soulless bastard

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like so many of these SEC stands
are who are like. 

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Yeah, yeah, they didn't play. 
Anybody it's, it's been, it's 

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been amazing watching. 
But that's The thing is when you

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start to get to haters, that's 
when you know you've made it. 

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That's. 
When you know, you've made it, 

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that's right. 
Well, before we get to the 

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haters in the College Football 
Playoff, let's talk a little bit

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about national signing day. 
You know, Kurt Signetti 

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obviously taking the podium and 
talking about his class today, 

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talking about some of the the 
pieces that was that was not my 

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Paul Finebaum voice crying. 
I've got a different one for 

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that which I'm not going to 
uncork tonight, but we'll, we'll

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save that for next week. 
But let's hear Sig talking about

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the class and and and what he's 
got coming in here. 

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You know, it's all about people,
the coaches you hire, the 

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players you recruit, right? 
And there's a lot of good 

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players out there. 
And I mean, you're looking for 

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people that are passionate about
what they do, goal oriented, 

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know how to set goals and go 
about achieving them. 

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Now they're still young guys and
they're going to need developed 

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and guide got it correct. 
I like the class. 

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I think all, I think these guys 
all have a chance and we're 

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excited about them. 
So pretty big class, not a 

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terribly high-ranking class when
you think about what Indiana's 

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done this year, which isn't 
surprising because you got to 

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keep in mind like college 
football recruiting really 

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happens a whole year ahead of 
whatever cycle you're in. 

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But that said, they pick up with
a couple of nice pieces towards 

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the end. 
They get a recommit from a 

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four-star that had decommitted 
from them earlier. 

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They've got a lot of line on 
both sides coming in, like a lot

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of guys up front. 
And you know, it's one of those 

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things where Indiana's probably 
going to do most of their damage

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in terms of the top line roster 
spots in the portal as opposed 

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to in the recruiting class. 
But it is nice to see Indiana 

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amassing a solid Class, A Top 40
ish class which can be a 

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building block for what they do,
not just in the portal, but who 

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they decide to try to bring in 
next year as well. 

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Absolutely. 
And like you said, a lot of 

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these guys have been committed 
and all they needed to do was 

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just write their name on the 
piece of paper. 

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They they were ready to be an 
Indiana Hoosier. 

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So a lot of times don't really 
pay attention to the stars yet. 

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It's a solid recruiting class 
for Indiana football standards 

445
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,040
in the long history. 
But it like you said, it just 

446
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,960
paved the way. 
I mean, I'm it what you're going

447
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,400
to look at for 20/26/2020 7:00 
That's where it's going to get 

448
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,360
exciting. 
I think one thing noticing is 

449
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:56,240
just some of the Indiana guys 
coming in, you know, getting 

450
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,440
some three stars from there. 
There's the battle right there. 

451
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,960
Indiana now has a real shot to 
be in a recruiting battle in the

452
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,200
state with Notre Dame. 
Obviously, it takes more than 

453
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,440
just one season, but they have 
now put themselves in a position

454
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,120
above Purdue and Purdue is out 
recruiting Indiana in the state.

455
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,160
Now IU is all the leverage on 
their side. 

456
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,080
And then like you trickle into 
Ohio, Kentucky, Ohio is going. 

457
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,280
Ohio State is going to be 
attacking the four or five stars

458
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,720
and a lot of five stars. 
IU can poach a few four stars 

459
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,760
from Ohio if they wanted to. 
I mean, if if they look at 

460
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,320
anything that IU has done this 
season and you're choosing 

461
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,360
between two schools, I feel like
it's difficult. 

462
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:35,120
If you have a toss up between IU
and Ohio State and you're a 

463
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:36,960
four-star and you're going to 
get playing time somewhere. 

464
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,480
I don't know, you just kind of 
roll the dice on that one. 

465
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,200
So it's going to be exciting 
these next four years with 

466
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,680
recruiting, obviously this first
year, it's not a ton. 

467
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,320
You get to see some new faces. 
It's good to see them 

468
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,240
highlighted, the respect that 
Cygnetti has for them as well. 

469
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,440
But the, the, the, this will be 
a project here, kind of get them

470
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,200
developed into the system. 
I doubt many of these guys will 

471
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,040
play this next season, but you 
know, get them sitting behind 

472
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,480
probably some quality transfers.
And again, the coaching staff 

473
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,920
that is here, they have proven 
that they can take 3 star talent

474
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,760
and make them legit even less 
than two three star talent at 

475
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,440
times. 
I mean Aidan Fisher was a two 

476
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,720
star recruit and it's the first 
team all big 10 guy. 

477
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,240
Yeah, well, and look, I I always
look at recruiting like this, 

478
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,600
you're you're probably not going
to win many battles for four and

479
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,560
five stars in the state of 
Indiana against the Ohio 

480
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,400
State's, the Notre Dame's, the 
Michigan's, the Alabama. 

481
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,720
Alabama's come up and gotten a 
lot of people out of compete. 

482
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,040
For four stars now. 
But well, but here's the thing, 

483
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,640
and I've always believed this. 
Yes, you can compete for those 

484
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,920
four stars, but I think the 
sustainable model for Indiana is

485
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,960
being able to beat out the 
Iowa's and the Wisconsin's for 

486
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,760
the three star upside guys. 
Guys that might have just a 

487
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,160
little bit off on their 
measurables. 

488
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,880
Cause like realistically you 
don't become a national player 

489
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,440
in recruiting overnight. 
That is a long bill that 

490
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,560
requires a lot of years of 8910 
win seasons. 

491
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,840
But you know, Indiana, they this
coaching staff and Signetti have

492
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,240
shown a real ability to develop 
talent. 

493
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,600
And if you look at Iowa, you 
look at Wisconsin, you look to 

494
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,480
some degree at Michigan State 
when they made the College 

495
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,240
Football Playoff, you know, back
in what, 2016 or 2015, they 

496
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,280
didn't get there with a lot of 
four and five stars. 

497
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,280
They got there with a lot of 
three star guys that they 

498
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,080
developed and were able to put 
into a position where they 

499
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,520
became all Big 10 or they became
draft picks after not being that

500
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,720
heavily regarded. 
Now, I think the NIL landscape 

501
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,440
changes that a little bit. 
Maybe development becomes 

502
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,560
slightly less important, but if 
you can get a guy for two or 

503
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,120
three years from that 
circumstance, I do believe that 

504
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,160
that puts Indiana in good shape.
And as you know, Signetti even 

505
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,160
mentioned it on I forget if it 
was, I think I think it was the 

506
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:49,360
the the 24/7 show that he was 
doing today where he talked 

507
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:52,960
about how a lot of the benefits 
of the season they had this year

508
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,320
is really going to start popping
up not just in the portal class,

509
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,440
but also in the recruiting class
that you will see next year. 

510
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,240
And so that's that's something 
to keep in mind. 

511
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,960
Now one of the big question 
marks has been quarterback, 

512
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,240
because obviously this is it for
Curtis Rourke. 

513
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,800
So Signetti was asked about that
in the press conference. 

514
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,600
Let's hear what he had to. 
Say, you know, we have two young

515
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,920
quarterbacks in the program that
we like, Tyler Cherio and 

516
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,000
Mendoza. 
So we didn't feel a real need to

517
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,040
sign a young quarterback this 
year. 

518
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,360
We will definitely recruit a 
quarterback out of the portal. 

519
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,120
And in terms of our other needs,
I'll let you guys put pen to 

520
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,800
paper and figure out who's 
coming back and who we're losing

521
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:35,720
and figure that out on your own.
Notable that is a great answer. 

522
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,480
Notable name not mentioned 
there. 

523
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,000
Well, Emily and I were were 
talking about this beforehand 

524
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,760
and I, I think that that that 
last drive in the Purdue game 

525
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,880
where he ran in for the 
touchdown, that kind of felt 

526
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,040
like his goodbye present. 
And you know, we'll see. 

527
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,400
Maybe he's back. 
I don't think he, I don't think 

528
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,040
he, there was no notice he was 
in the portal. 

529
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,000
You know it, It's interesting, 
'cause I thought he was fine in 

530
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,720
that Washington game. 
He came in and, and did a good 

531
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,400
job of spelling Curtis Rourke in
the second-half of the Nebraska 

532
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,720
game. 
But you just wonder, is he the 

533
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,240
type of quarterback that they 
can build around given what they

534
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,160
like to do offensively? 
And I just don't know what the 

535
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,760
answer to that is. 
So I'm really curious to see 

536
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,520
what happens with Tavin Jackson,
but him not getting mentioned 

537
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,720
even in that answer probably 
tells us a lot. 

538
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,840
Yeah, and I had a feeling that 
they would go and attack a 

539
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,200
portal quarterback. 
And to the point of Tavin not 

540
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,720
being in the portal yet, it's 
because I used still playing. 

541
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,600
And if work goes down, then 
who's the next man up? 

542
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,320
It's Tavin Jackson. 
It's not going to be Tyler 

543
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,240
Sherry. 
So with with Tavin moving 

544
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,600
forward, I mean, he's still just
like that's the the build, the 

545
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,080
skill set, it it's eye candy for
recruiters, for coaches. 

546
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,560
And he's 65, pretty mobile, has 
a good arm. 

547
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,120
It's just some of the 
developmental things. 

548
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,120
I think, you know, he's it's had
it's been a tough ride for him. 

549
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,560
He's bounced for schools 
already, the coaching change, 

550
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,520
everything like that. 
And when he thought he's going 

551
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,240
to be the guy last year lost the
starting role to Brendan Sorsby.

552
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,400
And who knows what was going 
through his head this year 

553
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,960
decided to ride with Signetti 
and be the backup. 

554
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,080
But I will say there was a 
moment that it was after the 

555
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,960
Nebraska game when Roark gets 
hurt, he's in his he was in like

556
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,320
a brace, sling, whatever the 
wrap around his hand. 

557
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,400
And Taven had his arm around him
as they both went to like 

558
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,360
embrace the student session. 
So I, I do think Taven wants to 

559
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:35,000
be a part of the team. 
It's just a matter of the, is he

560
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,640
the guy to be the starter? 
And I don't know. 

561
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,080
I mean, I honestly thought that 
Washington game was going to be 

562
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,720
a try out, but it's you, you 
can't base that one game off of 

563
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,520
everything in the future. 
So they'll go attack the portal.

564
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,200
And I mean, again, like if 
you're a transfer quarterback, 

565
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,840
you saw what Curtis work was 
able to do. 

566
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,560
It's it's a hot market outside 
of some, outside of some big 

567
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,280
name teams. 
The, the, the I was going to be 

568
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,600
one of the hottest market for a 
quarterback outside of, I'd say 

569
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,080
like Miami, Colorado probably. 
It's. 

570
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,440
And maybe Georgia. 
Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be a 

571
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,560
very attractive place for not 
just quarterbacks to land, but 

572
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:18,120
others who have seen what this 
group, you know, that was at 

573
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,760
James Madison and is now 
coaching at IU have been able to

574
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,000
do with the various quarterbacks
that they have brought in. 

575
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:29,520
And, you know, it's like if you 
really do have a, you know, a 

576
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,640
guy who's like a generational 
sort of this was always the 

577
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,280
question with Julian Lewis. 
It's like, well, do you want to 

578
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,440
spend that amount of money on a 
quarterback that's not going to 

579
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880
be able to start right away, 
that you're going to have to, 

580
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,080
you know, bring along slowly? 
You still got to pay that guy 

581
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,560
when he's on the bench and when 
you can go out and just get 

582
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,880
somebody in the portal that is 
going to be able to produce at a

583
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,160
high level from the get go like 
Curtis Rourke has now. 

584
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,480
They don't always work out as 
well as Curtis Rourke did. 

585
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,480
I will say having coach Tino as 
the quarterback coach as 

586
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,240
absolutely helpful. 
I mean he is a proven guy and I 

587
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,960
mean if if Shanahan is to get 
poached at some point, I imagine

588
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,320
Tino's the next man up to the OC
of IU football so. 

589
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,280
Yeah, it's going to be 
fascinating watching that. 

590
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:20,160
I mean, the the increased staff 
budget should help keep the 

591
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,160
staff together, but you can't 
stop guys who are, you know 

592
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,840
they're going to find a head 
coach, but. 

593
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,320
You can't stop them from 
pursuing their long term 

594
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,520
careers. 
So, you know, it's one of those 

595
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,120
things where all you can really 
do is think about, you know, if 

596
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,240
you're if you're a transfer 
quarterback, I'm going to come 

597
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,480
in, I'm going to work with the 
staff. 

598
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,760
They're going to be able to get 
me to where I want to go. 

599
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,120
I mean, look at Curtis Work. 
Curtis Work, yes, he was Mac 

600
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,520
player of the Year. 
No one was talking about him as 

601
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,560
like a Heisman candidate coming 
into the season. 

602
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,200
And yet, for all parts of the 
year, he was. 22nd ranked 

603
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,480
transfer quarterback and I'd say
he was this season. 

604
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,160
He was probably the 4th best 
after production outside of like

605
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,840
Dylan, Gabriel, Cam Ward and I'm
blanking on the other one. 

606
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,040
I'd say third honestly. 
Third best is probably probably 

607
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,800
right where he falls in SO. 
Yeah. 

608
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,480
It's big jump right there. 
It's huge, you know. 

609
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,320
So, and but that goes into the 
whole recruiting thing is this 

610
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,720
staff had just has a knack of 
developing and and finding these

611
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,880
hidden gems and pairing them in 
systems and with other guys like

612
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,400
an Elijah Sarat, like a Miles 
Price, the double running back 

613
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,640
of Justice Ellison, Tyson 
Lauden, and then a great 

614
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,440
offensive like the pieces do 
were just all there for this 

615
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,680
team. 
And it it's not a one man show. 

616
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,840
I think that's the biggest 
thing. 

617
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,720
There's no egos of players like 
the players are egoless. 

618
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,720
They just ride with the team. 
The big ego is the head coach 

619
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,440
and it takes a lot of attention 
away from the players. 

620
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,480
And honestly, it works out in a 
way. 

621
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,560
It means all the media attention
to focus on Signetti, not on, 

622
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,440
oh, what's Curtis Shork doing? 
Right. 

623
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,200
So you know, the ultimately 
there's a lot of fascinating 

624
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,000
things and, and Signeti even 
mentioned it like we're going to

625
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,320
have a lot of action in the 
portal. 

626
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,960
There's going to be guys 
leaving, there's going to be 

627
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,320
guys staying. 
This is the new normal when it 

628
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,760
comes to IU, not just IU, but 
probably football in general. 

629
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,480
And it's going to be fascinating
watching all of that playing 

630
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,360
out. 
So a lot of fun and a good 

631
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,440
starting point for Indiana as 
they start to to mold their 

632
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,880
roster together for this 
upcoming year. 

633
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,280
And a complicated time period 
here, obviously, because as 

634
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,240
Signeti mentioned in the press 
conference, you've got you got 

635
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,880
your recruits that you just 
signed, you got two weeks of 

636
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,120
prep for the playoff. 
You've also got portal guys in 

637
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,160
and out and you got retention 
situations with the players that

638
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,760
are here because you know, 
they're, they're going to be 

639
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,520
like, hey, what can I get for 
this next year? 

640
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,840
There's just so much that's 
going to be happening here and 

641
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,520
it's going to be fascinating 
watching all of it play out. 

642
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,960
And I do wonder with Indiana, 
you know, it's interesting, you 

643
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,600
got a lot of guys who probably 
aren't hopping in the portal 

644
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,640
soon because they they're, 
they're playing a playoff game 

645
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,560
in a couple of weeks. 
So that gives Indiana a little 

646
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,080
bit of leverage in terms of of 
how they manage all of this 

647
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,440
stuff. 
That's going to be fascinating 

648
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,280
to see. 
I have to imagine any starter 

649
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,000
that's projected to return is 
not entering the portal. 

650
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,240
I would be shocked if an Elijah 
Sarat or Aiden Fisher were to 

651
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,440
enter their name in the portal 
considering those guys followed 

652
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,680
Signetti from James Madison. 
Those were just two of the names

653
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,080
that I thought of right now. 
But or like even Omar Cooper, I 

654
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,440
mean, his production from last 
year to this year, it was 

655
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,760
tremendous. 
And now heading into next year 

656
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,080
on paper, he's the wide receiver
too, right next to Elijah Sarat.

657
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,920
So he has a big, big, big shoes 
to fill, big shoes to step in 

658
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,000
right there. 
So just again, I I don't think 

659
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,960
that starters will be entering 
their name. 

660
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,200
I think there might be some guys
behind the scenes that maybe 

661
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,560
didn't get as much playing time.
But again, there's so many 

662
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,880
seniors on this team. 
Yeah. 

663
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,680
So they're already losing a lot 
of talent. 

664
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,720
So with the guys that maybe 
didn't play that are junior 

665
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,200
sophomores, it's like now it's 
the next man up mentality. 

666
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,680
So it'll be interesting how it 
all shapes up between who they 

667
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,719
bring in and obviously who 
thinks they can compete for 

668
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,679
those those spots when it's all 
said and done. 

669
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,480
Exactly. 
So let's change gears and let's 

670
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,199
talk specifically about the 
playoffs. 

671
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,880
So we heard Kurt Signetti 
talking a little bit about that.

672
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,239
Let's go ahead and get to that 
video. 

673
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,000
So I guess my prediction did not
come true. 

674
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,800
OK, But we're going to play in 
the College Football Playoff 

675
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:33,760
and, and you know, our, our 
destiny will be created by our 

676
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,239
actions and what we do every 
single day leading up to there 

677
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,800
in terms of our preparation, our
performance between the white 

678
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,440
lines. 
Yeah, I mean, true. 

679
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,800
And and his prediction 
originally, of course, was 

680
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,760
playing in the in the Big 10 
championship game, which almost 

681
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,719
happened. 
Joe, you know, it it's it's one 

682
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,880
terribly coached PJ Fleck 
sequence in that Minnesota Penn 

683
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,800
State game away from Indiana, 
playing Oregon this weekend in 

684
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,440
the Big 10 title game. 
They were close, man. 

685
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,520
They were they were really 
close. 

686
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,560
Yeah. 
And so I'm, you know, as I, as 

687
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,120
we look at the playoff stuff, I 
think let's first of all check 

688
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:17,200
out what to expect based upon 
what we saw yesterday in the in 

689
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,360
the draw. 
So we, we've got the bracket up 

690
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,520
and I'm I, of course, I'm 
completely misplaced it. 

691
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,120
There it is. 
So here's, here's the bracket 

692
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,080
based upon the seating that 
occurred yesterday. 

693
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,280
We're going to walk through all 
of this. 

694
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,440
If you guys have questions that 
you want to put in the chat, 

695
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,880
we'd be happy to try to answer 
them as we go along. 

696
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,800
But Indiana, according to this, 
they were the ninth team 

697
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,800
overall, which is where they 
were in the AP poll. 

698
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,160
The AP poll is really lined up 
very much directly with the 

699
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,200
College Football Playoff poll. 
That would have them facing 

700
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,760
Georgia, who would be the 
seventh seed in this overall 

701
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,960
racket. 
That game one of four first 

702
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,160
round games, the other ones 
being Notre Dame, Alabama. 

703
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,920
Alabama sneaks in with despite 
having the three losses, Penn 

704
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,320
State and Arizona State, who in 
this calculation is the Big 12 

705
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,960
champ. 
And then Ohio State hosting 

706
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,120
Tennessee in the 8-9 game. 
And then of course your buys 

707
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,680
Oregon, Texas, SMU and Boise 
State. 

708
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,120
Now I guess the first thing to 
talk about here is remember the 

709
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,040
format and remember how all this
works out. 

710
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:29,760
The top 4 conference champions 
in the mix get buys the 5th 

711
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,640
conference champion and the and 
the only the top five make it 

712
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,280
into the play offs. 
But the fifth one doesn't get a 

713
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,960
buy. 
They just sit wherever they sit 

714
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,640
within the rankings. 
And then you've got essentially 

715
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,600
7 at large teams. 
And so Indiana at this point, 

716
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,280
according to the the committee, 
sitting 9th at 11:00 and 1:00, 

717
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,680
looks like they're pretty safe 
because if you look at the 

718
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,600
overall rankings below them, 
Boise State is below them. 

719
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,520
And then you've got Alabama, and
then you've got Arizona State. 

720
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,000
It's incredibly unlikely that 
Boise State would lose to UNLV 

721
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,680
and UNLV would jump ahead of 
Indiana in terms of a ranking. 

722
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,160
And it's very unlikely that 
either Arizona State or Iowa 

723
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,360
State would win and get elevated
above Indiana at 9th. 

724
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,360
And so those are the really big 
things that I was watching out 

725
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,560
for when the draw happened as 
far as Indiana being in the 

726
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,080
playoff, as far as hosting. 
And we had a question in the in 

727
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,560
the comments that got popped up 
earlier on from Ryan. 

728
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,040
Should I cancel my Airbnb for 
the first round game in 

729
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,400
Bloomington or is there still a 
hope? 

730
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:37,040
I mean, I don't think there's 
still a hope based upon the 

731
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,160
rankings. 
And this is where I wouldn't 

732
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,080
cancel it till Sunday at like 
2:00 just to be sure. 

733
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,880
But it seems implausible that 
Indiana is going to jump the 

734
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,240
multiple spots it would need 
because as the as the 10 seed, 

735
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:54,080
basically they would not only 
need to to, they would basically

736
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,600
need to jump two teams in order 
to get to where they want to get

737
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,480
to. 
Some of that's dependent on what

738
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,440
happens with SMU and whether if 
SMU loses and becomes an at 

739
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,920
large, they drop below Indiana. 
But it's also like even with 

740
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,360
that, you would need to have 
some other mechanism to get that

741
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,280
next spot above. 
And it doesn't appear like 

742
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,080
Indiana's got any way to get 
above Tennessee or get above 

743
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,360
Ohio State. 
You could potentially see 

744
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,120
Georgia drop, but Georgia 
dropping by itself would only 

745
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,960
get Indiana up one spot, not the
two that it would need to host. 

746
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:28,200
Yeah, I, I don't see them 
hosting in this scenario. 

747
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,320
Maybe they slip up to the the 98
as, as the road team. 

748
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,280
I think no matter what they're 
going to be travelling and and 

749
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,400
that's kind of the, the 
preparation end of these weeks 

750
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,160
is I imagine outside of the the 
regular game plan day-to-day 

751
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,800
stuff, that crowd noise is going
to be a huge emphasis. 

752
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,160
Maybe that will be addressed to 
the media. 

753
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,160
I highly doubt that they'll just
be like, oh, it's business as 

754
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,040
usual. 
But that is going to be a major 

755
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,040
focus because in the biggest Rd.
test that Indiana had in the 

756
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,160
regular season at Columbus 
against Ohio State, you know, 

757
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,400
the noise mattered. 
It made a difference having to 

758
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,920
go to that silent count in the 
way that house they was able to 

759
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,960
time up their blitzes. 
They have to have a a better 

760
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,280
scheme, a better plan, because 
something clearly was not 

761
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,000
working when it came to 
adjusting to the noise. 

762
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,360
And I know that's a huge factor 
we would have in that 12th man. 

763
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,880
That's why it's called the 12th 
man is playing with an 

764
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,640
advantage. 
But they have to be prepared for

765
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,600
for, you know, an go into 
Athens. 

766
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,320
That is that's an environment. 
I mean, if if Ohio State was an 

767
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,080
environment, this is all this is
SDC ball that right there and 

768
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,960
it's finest. 
So it's going to be tough 

769
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,960
wherever they go. 
So we have a bunch of questions 

770
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,880
in chat that I want to try to 
get to and and I want to try to 

771
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,840
attack these in a kind of AII 
don't know if there's a 

772
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,800
particular order. 
First of all, we do need to 

773
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,360
acknowledge that, yes, PJ Fleck 
disappoints fans across the 

774
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,040
spectrum, not just go for fans. 
It is it is a a it's a gift you 

775
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,760
have to admit for him. 
Ryan asks, Who are we rooting 

776
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,640
for this weekend there? 
Joe asks, can you decipher what 

777
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,400
the committee's going to do with
the conference championship 

778
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,960
winners and losers? 
Ward Manuel's statement was 

779
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,480
gibberish. 
Shockingly, a commissioner or, 

780
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,160
you know, or a committee chairs 
messages may not be coming 

781
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,840
through. 
So one of the things we've 

782
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,520
heard, and I think this is 
important for everybody to 

783
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,280
understand, we keep hearing that
they say we're not going to 

784
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,200
punish conference championship 
participants. 

785
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,960
For losing the game, that that 
would be unfair. 

786
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,360
I don't really understand where 
that's coming from because 

787
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,360
that's not historically how it's
worked. 

788
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,920
And so I was I, I cooked this 
up. 

789
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,960
I apologize for the fact that I 
wrote it in Apple Notes, but 

790
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,720
hey, hey. 
The people got to see. 

791
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,400
Here's what I did. 
I 'cause I, I find this whole 

792
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,240
thing very weird that this 
argument, we're not going to 

793
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,640
punish teams that lose in the 
conference championship when 

794
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,560
that is exactly what they've 
done in certain cases in the 

795
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,560
past. 
And so here's an example just 

796
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,360
going back over the last three 
years and keep in mind, even 

797
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,800
though we have a 12 team playoff
instead of the four team playoff

798
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,600
that we had the previous three 
seasons, the rankings are 

799
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,160
supposed to be the same. 
The committee is ranking what 

800
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,600
they feel, given all the 
evidence is the top 25 teams in 

801
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,760
football. 
It's just that up to this point,

802
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,080
it's always been just the top 
four teams that have made it. 

803
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,240
Now you add 8 more teams to the 
mix, although 5, you know, five 

804
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,640
of those teams are guaranteed as
conference champions. 

805
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,920
But here's what's happened the 
last three years, so I'll start 

806
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,120
with last year. 
Georgia, if you'll recall, plays

807
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Alabama in the SEC title game, 
loses, and they drop 5 spots, 

808
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,160
whereas Alabama wins that game 
and jumps up four spots. 

809
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,720
Oregon loses to Washington and 
drops 3 spots, and Ohio State 

810
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,000
dropped a spot after they 
didn't. 

811
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,320
They didn't play in the 
conference championship game, 

812
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,640
but they dropped a spot because 
of some other things that 

813
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,760
happened in 2022. 
People forget this, but USC went

814
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,680
into conference championship 
weekend in the College Football 

815
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,480
Playoff like they were in the 
top four. 

816
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,560
They get destroyed by Utah in 
that game, like 47 to 23 or 

817
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,520
whatever it was, which did I say
destroyed? 

818
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,640
That's only what, a 24 point 
victory? 

819
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,880
And they dropped six spots after
that game. 

820
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,040
And Utah ends up climbing three.
You go back to 2021, Oklahoma 

821
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,400
State was 5th going into the 
conference championship game. 

822
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,320
They lose to Baylor and they 
dropped four spots. 

823
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,480
Georgia ends up dropping 2 spots
after Alabama beats them. 

824
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,760
My point in all of this is the 
idea that there's not going to 

825
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,200
be any punishments at all if you
lose heavy in a conference 

826
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,640
championship game is not backed 
up by the evidence of what the 

827
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,840
committee itself has done over 
the course of the last three 

828
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,080
years. 
And so it does make me wonder to

829
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,280
go to some of the questions that
people are asking, like if Penn 

830
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,360
State loses really heavily to 
Oregon, for instance, in the in 

831
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,040
the Big 10 title game, do they 
get dropped four or five spots? 

832
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,720
Because right now Penn State is 
third. 

833
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,400
If they got dropped five spots, 
well, they'd be 8th. 

834
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,040
That still wouldn't be enough 
for Indiana. 

835
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,320
But then look at, but then you 
know, you look at at, you know, 

836
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,880
Georgia, if they lose, I don't 
know how you have a three loss 

837
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,440
team hosting when one loss and 
two loss teams above them that 

838
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,480
didn't even if they like aren't 
supposed to be punished for what

839
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,000
happens in their conference 
championship game. 

840
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,360
That part's really interesting 
because I I think Georgia will 

841
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,520
drop if they lose probably 2 
spots. 

842
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,760
Thing is, I don't know if India 
is going to move much. 

843
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,640
I I just don't really see it 
happening because that would 

844
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,160
mean Georgia would have to drop 
3 full spots to losing to what 

845
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,080
is the number three team in the 
country in the SEC Championship.

846
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,440
I understand that teams do get 
punished, but that seems like 

847
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,960
almost too severe of a 
punishment. 

848
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,200
I understand that they are a 
three loss team and it's like 

849
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,600
there's the justification, but 
because of that extra game, I 

850
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,440
don't know if they'll get the 
the three or the three team 

851
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,520
punishment as compared that 
they'll drop. 

852
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,360
But I think India, my prediction
is Indiana is just locked in at 

853
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,560
the spot they're at and they 
will play whoever the seven is. 

854
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,880
Maybe they get lucky, maybe they
do if they if Georgia, they 

855
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,960
decide that Georgia should drop 
3, but I think they're pretty 

856
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,640
locked in. 
A lot of it really is going to 

857
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,200
come down to like what goes on 
in each of these games. 

858
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,960
So let's let's take a look at 
the games that we're going to be

859
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,400
seeing this weekend and let's 
talk through what would be the 

860
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,040
best case scenario for Indiana 
in these games. 

861
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,320
I'm going to pop this up on the 
screen for those of you that are

862
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,360
watching along on YouTube and 
zoom in a little bit. 

863
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,440
So we've got to start with on 
Friday, we've got UNLV at Boise 

864
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,880
State. 
Now, I think in this one, you, 

865
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,600
you, you, it really doesn't 
matter who you root for in this 

866
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,520
game. 
I think if you're Indiana, 

867
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,200
though, you'd probably want UNLV
to win simply because it'd be, 

868
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,680
you know, but it depends. 
Are they? 

869
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,800
Are they going to punish Boise 
and knock them out? 

870
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,520
It seems. 
Yeah, Boise State would be 

871
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,400
knocked out. 
Of it would they though, This 

872
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,920
becomes the question if if you 
think Boise State might not get 

873
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,720
knocked out. 
Would they leave out the Big 12 

874
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:53,000
then? 
Is that what you think? 

875
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,400
No. 
No, no, they couldn't leave out 

876
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,000
the Big 12, but that's where you
start to get into trouble if 

877
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,120
you're Indiana, since you're 
only two from the bottom, so to 

878
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,880
speak, when it comes to the AT 
larges. 

879
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,760
But this is what we don't know. 
So in this case, I would 

880
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,920
actually say you want Boise 
State to win if you're Indiana 

881
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,600
because they're already in. 
They're in. 

882
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,440
Probably not, even if they jump 
Indiana. 

883
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,960
It doesn't matter 'cause they're
the by. 

884
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,200
Exactly, they would have one of 
the four buys. 

885
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,480
So in this one I would recommend
rooting for Boise State. 

886
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,280
What happens in the American 
doesn't really matter. 

887
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,400
The only way the American is 
going to matter would be of Army

888
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:32,200
like destroys Tulane and UNOV 
seats Boise because because you 

889
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,480
could have a scenario there 
where Army leapfrogs UNOV and 

890
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,160
potentially becomes the fifth 
team in it's. 

891
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,840
It's very unlikely, but it's at 
least something to keep an eye 

892
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,680
on. 
I don't think it's actually 

893
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,520
going to happen. 
I also don't think that would 

894
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,800
affect anything with Indiana. 
Because that would. 

895
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,360
Just push them at the 12. 
Then you get Arizona State and 

896
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,400
Iowa State again. 
This is one of those games where

897
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,720
I don't think it's going to 
materially matter for Indiana. 

898
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,400
One of these two teams is making
the College Football Playoff as 

899
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,280
the 5th. 
So, you know, the 5th conference

900
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,840
champion, a team that won't get 
a buy a team that'll probably be

901
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,240
the 12 seed because they're both
under that threshold right now. 

902
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,600
But you know, it's going to be 
interesting because if if again,

903
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,160
if Boise loses, that could be 
the route for the Big 12 to get 

904
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,880
one of the four buys. 
But again, nothing that 

905
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,360
materially is going to matter to
Indiana as far as that's 

906
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,560
concerned. 
So then you get to the last 

907
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,640
three, Georgia versus Texas. 
In this case, you really have to

908
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,440
root for Texas because Texas. 
Even though Texas's resume is 

909
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,960
weak, they are still second 
according to the College 

910
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,360
Football Playoff committee. 
If they lose in this game, they 

911
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,240
are not going to fall far 
enough. 

912
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,760
They'll probably just swap. 
Well, that's the that that is a 

913
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,040
question. 
And that would be the one 

914
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,440
scenario where you might say, 
would you rather go to Athens 

915
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,800
and play Georgia or would you 
rather go to Austin and play 

916
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,520
Texas? 
I would rather play Texas. 

917
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,240
I think actually Indiana's not 
that bad of a match up for 

918
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:02,640
Texas, and Texas just doesn't 
have that many exemplary wins. 

919
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,800
Yes, they wanted A&M, and that's
really about all they've done so

920
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,440
far this season. 
When you get right down to it, 

921
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,040
their, their record, their 
overall performance is very 

922
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,800
similar to Indiana in a lot of 
ways. 

923
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,720
When you get done this with 
this, I'll go through some of 

924
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:17,840
the the match ups and speak my 
truth here, but I'll let you 

925
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,240
finish up real quick. 
Did you just you just hit me 

926
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:22,280
with it? 
I'm going to let you finish. 

927
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,520
That's that's pretty OK. 
I love it. 

928
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,520
Then we go to the next one, 
which of course is Penn State 

929
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,600
and Oregon. 
Again, I think in this one you 

930
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,080
got to you want to root for 
Oregon with the idea that if 

931
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,520
Penn State loses, Indiana's the 
only one loss team left in the 

932
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,760
Big 10. 
And is that going to be enough? 

933
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,000
Would it drop Penn State 6 
spots? 

934
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,120
Probably not, although again, as
we saw, we've seen teams drop 5 

935
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,400
or 6 spots with heavy losses in 
conference championship games. 

936
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,720
So I don't have to consider the 
rankings of both teams because 

937
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:58,120
Utah was ranked like 12, I 
believe when they were playing 

938
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,480
USC, when they when USC dropped 
six spots. 

939
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,520
That's true. 
So there there is some weight 

940
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,120
like Oregon is the number one 
team. 

941
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,720
So how much punishment could 
Penn State have? 

942
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,640
Unless if they're losing like 
50, zero. 

943
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,560
Or if there's an injury, you 
know, if if hey, that is. 

944
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,200
That is true because they 
they've proven with last year at

945
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,800
Florida State that, you know, 
injury to a quarterback has 

946
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,240
weight on the on the committee. 
Yeah. 

947
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,680
So, so that's the, that would be
the one there. 

948
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,800
And then the last 1 is probably 
the one that I'm the most 

949
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,760
intrigued and a little bit maybe
not concerned about. 

950
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,560
But I, I think it's one worth 
keeping an eye on. 

951
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,520
And a lot of it comes down to 
the idea of does SMU get in 

952
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,680
regardless if if SMU loses, 
they're ranked 8th right now. 

953
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,200
They're one spot ahead of 
Indiana. 

954
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,440
Does does do they manage to get 
in regardless of whether or not 

955
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,800
they beat Clemson? 
Because Clemson obviously, if 

956
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,160
they win would get one of the 
four buys. 

957
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,880
Almost certainly they're coming 
in. 

958
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,200
You know, they're ranked 17th. 
That has actually is the other 

959
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,000
question. 
If Clemson, if Clemson wins that

960
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,640
game, maybe they don't even get 
a buy because right now they're 

961
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,400
currently ranked the beneath 
both of the Big 12 teams. 

962
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,000
There's just a lot of moving 
parts with all of that. 

963
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,800
But I think the one scenario if 
if you if you're worried about 

964
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,280
Indiana, the one scenario that 
you might be concerned about 

965
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,960
would be a Boise State loss and 
an SMU loss where both teams are

966
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,080
kept in. 
I don't think that would happen.

967
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,240
I think one or the other would 
get dropped in that case. 

968
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,600
But that's something to keep an 
eye on as as we go through this 

969
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,160
process and think about who to 
root for. 

970
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,280
In this case, I would recommend 
just rooting for SMU 'cause I 

971
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,640
think it would be a lot cleaner 
for Indiana if SMU just knocks 

972
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,200
Clemson out of the picture 
entirely. 

973
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,920
Yeah, sorry, I gotta give Zach 
his code. 

974
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,320
He's going to see Moana too 
here. 

975
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,160
Well, it's fun, Zach. 
Yeah, it's good buys. 

976
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:41,800
And chat. 
Zach. 

977
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,320
Zach buys and chat. 
Yeah, he's been on before. 

978
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:45,360
Oh, of course. 
Yeah. 

979
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,160
Just to just to, I'm sorry, I 
kind of missed the question. 

980
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,160
I was saying I can see where the
importance lies with you. 

981
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,840
No, my my point was simply that,
you know, you probably want to 

982
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,080
root for SMU if you're Indiana 
just to be safe. 

983
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,640
Just to knock Clemson out. 
Because you just don't know if 

984
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,880
you know, if they're really 
serious about, hey, if you made 

985
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,520
a conference championship game 
and you're in, we're not going 

986
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,640
to knock you out. 
That would be the one scenario 

987
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,360
to keep an eye on. 
But I again, even if SMU were to

988
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,880
lose, I don't know how you would
keep them in and not have 

989
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,760
Indiana in this. 
This is where the committee's 

990
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,080
kind of backed themselves into a
corner with some of these items,

991
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,640
though. 
And I think that that's it's one

992
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,720
of those things to keep in mind.
It's like you can't make all of 

993
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:29,240
these things be true. 
And I think a lot of times, 

994
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:33,880
committee chairman especially 
say things that they don't 

995
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,840
really mean because they don't 
want to piss anybody off, but 

996
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,280
they also can't really 
consolidate their own rankings 

997
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,960
with the things that they've set
up to that point. 

998
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,200
It's hard to like, say something
and live by it with all the 

999
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,840
scenarios that happen. 
And no, I don't think the 

1000
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,240
committee always does the best 
job. 

1001
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:56,000
But I don't want to ever be a 
part of the committee. 

1002
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,360
I think it would be miserable 
because no matter what you do, a

1003
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:00,960
fan base is going to be pissed 
off. 

1004
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,240
I mean, there's a very old 
chance to come Sunday when 

1005
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:07,000
Alabama's first team out there 
is outrage or something, and 

1006
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,600
somehow they're in which. 
They'll be outraged either way. 

1007
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:11,840
And then? 
They'll be outraged. 

1008
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,440
Either way. 
In or out, they'll they'll be 

1009
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,120
outraged. 
But, you know, part of part of 

1010
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,040
this whole week has just been, 
you know, the coach after coach 

1011
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,040
and athletic, you know, they 
would conference commissioners 

1012
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,320
come in and get in involved. 
It's, it's just kind of like, I 

1013
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,800
don't know, I, I. 
Work like crystal ball, what he 

1014
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,080
said. 
And then with Cam Ward about 

1015
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,960
Miami being first team out, 
being a two loss team, it just 

1016
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,600
that was surprising. 
Yeah, you know, it's there were 

1017
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,240
some other questions. 
I mean, Tana says IU drops 5 

1018
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:42,040
spots, losing to the number two 
team in the country. 

1019
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,720
Georgia's 7th and Texas is 
second. 

1020
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:46,280
So they only dropped Georgia 2 
spots for a loss, but IU drops 

1021
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,160
5. 
Here's the thing. 

1022
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,240
The the thing to keep in mind is
you can't just take the loss in 

1023
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,600
a vacuum. 
You also have to think about the

1024
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,880
totality. 
And look, the reason why Georgia

1025
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,640
is ranked high is that it's the 
same reason why Indiana's ranked

1026
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:05,240
ahead of Miami right now. 
And, and why Miami's, you know, 

1027
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:07,800
rank behind Alabama is that you 
do have to take the rest of the 

1028
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,560
resume into consideration. 
You know, and, and everybody's 

1029
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,320
got something different. 
The SEC people have been 

1030
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,440
pounding on strength of schedule
because it's a convenient 

1031
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,560
argument for them, because they 
all have a good strength of 

1032
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,520
schedule according to how that 
gets calculated. 

1033
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,040
But it's one piece of a much 
larger puzzle. 

1034
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,400
Indiana, no, they don't have a 
tremendously big great strength 

1035
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,000
of schedule, but it's better 
than SMU. 

1036
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,560
And unlike Miami, who has about 
the same strength of schedule 

1037
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,360
but struggled in a half dozen 
games this year and lost twice, 

1038
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,320
Indiana pulverized almost all of
their competition, only lost one

1039
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,360
game and that was to the number 
two team in the country. 

1040
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,000
That's really the distinction. 
And, you know, to go back to 

1041
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,000
what was noted earlier there 
about, you know, the that Ryan 

1042
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,640
noted about the the committee 
not respecting the ACC, You 

1043
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,760
know, this is this is where it's
like if SMU loses that game, do 

1044
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,200
they get dropped entirely 
because now they've lost a game 

1045
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,080
to a three loss Clemson. 
It it seems like probably they 

1046
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,120
should. 
But again, it's like this is 

1047
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,320
where the committee tends to 
back themselves into corners and

1048
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,960
has trouble explaining what 
they're doing and how they're 

1049
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,200
doing it because they can't 
apply the same criteria equally 

1050
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,720
for every team. 
And I think what most fans, and 

1051
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,440
that we see this in the NCAA 
basketball selection process, 

1052
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,480
fans want consistency. 
But you can't really do 

1053
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,920
consistency when nobody has the 
same set of data points, when 

1054
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,120
you're dealing with like 
radically different data points,

1055
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,200
radically different schedules, 
unbalanced schedules, teams 

1056
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,720
having not played other teams. 
You know, you, you punish teams 

1057
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,680
that lose late in the season, 
but you're not going to punish 

1058
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,080
Notre Dame despite losing, you 
know, having the worst loss of 

1059
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,080
all of the teams simply because 
it happened in September rather 

1060
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,200
than happening in November. 
It's it is madding. 

1061
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,160
And it's just one of those 
things where the committee kind 

1062
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,880
of has to do the best it can. 
They don't always do a good job 

1063
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,520
of that. 
And I have a lot of questions 

1064
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,120
about what they've decided here.
But as I look through this, I do

1065
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,960
think Indiana's put themselves 
in as good of a position as they

1066
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,240
possibly can, given what they 
had to deal with this year. 

1067
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,080
Yeah, they they will not be 
bounced from this playoffs. 

1068
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,000
They will be in. 
I am confident in that. 

1069
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,080
I can say it with almost full 
confidence now if committee 

1070
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,600
somehow and shocks me then I 
guess I'll eat my words and I'll

1071
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,440
make a public apology about this
to all all the vibes and chef 

1072
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,800
viewers. 
I will say I think the idea that

1073
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:29,040
a one loss team in in one of the
two power conferences not making

1074
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,080
the the field would be, well, 
it's not even that it would be 

1075
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,280
criminal. 
It would be, but it's not even 

1076
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,080
that it would be criminal. 
It's that it would set such a 

1077
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:43,560
terrible precedent to say 
suddenly that a one loss team in

1078
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,040
your conference, a big 
conference, was not worthy of 

1079
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,360
going to a 12 team playoff, but 
three loss teams or two loss 

1080
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,560
teams in other conferences were 
worthy. 

1081
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,720
That that to me would be that. 
I keep saying, like, if that was

1082
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,720
the route that they went down, 
that could lead to a very quick 

1083
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:04,520
reorganization of the sport 
because what league is going to 

1084
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,680
be like, yeah, that's the rules 
that we want to sign up for, You

1085
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,680
know, it's there. 
There's so much inconsistency in

1086
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,560
how a lot of this is applied. 
Clearly, college football needs 

1087
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,320
some kind of a structure that 
makes it a little more even 

1088
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,800
because it's not like the NFL 
where there's, like, relative 

1089
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,680
equanimity in terms of who you 
play. 

1090
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,080
You've got a sampling of all the
different divisions that you 

1091
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,800
play against. 
You play a ton of games in your 

1092
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,480
own conference. 
That's not how college football 

1093
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,960
works. 
Schedules are are largely the 

1094
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,920
conference schedules are not set
by the teams. 

1095
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,120
They can't predict who's going 
to be good year to year. 

1096
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,720
And it's still a sport where 
winning and losing matters and 

1097
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,840
the less losing you do should be
rewarded. 

1098
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,960
And, you know, you look down the
list, it's like there are only 

1099
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,080
these are all of all of the 
teams that have one or or zero 

1100
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,560
losses right now. 
Oregon, Texas, Penn State, Notre

1101
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,120
Dame, SMU, Indiana, Boise State 
and Army. 

1102
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,080
And that's it. 
You know, and, and you know, all

1103
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,640
but one of those teams is likely
going to be in the playoff and, 

1104
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,480
and that that's how it should 
be, I think. 

1105
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,600
Yeah, absolutely. 
And I mean, I I think they will 

1106
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:13,600
stick to their guns here because
if a one loss, like you said, 

1107
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,960
it's one of the two power 
conferences, it's the SEC and 

1108
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,760
the Big 10. 
Those are the two biggest 

1109
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,480
conferences in college football.
The Big 10's gonna have four 

1110
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,440
teams in the playoffs. 
The SEC looks like it could get 

1111
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,560
4 with sneakin and Bama just to 
match the Big 10. 

1112
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:35,080
But that right there, it's it's 
disrespectful one. 

1113
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,320
But also, like you said, with 
the scheduling like I, it's such

1114
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,160
an interesting argument because 
they don't make the schedule. 

1115
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,360
The teams don't make their 
conference schedule. 

1116
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,720
And are you heading into the 
year again? 

1117
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:49,000
I we've said this time and time 
again, they've played the 

1118
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,720
national champion, the national 
running runner up Ohio State at 

1119
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:56,960
the shield UCLA on the road, a 
team that was what, nine and 

1120
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,560
three last year. 
That right there those four 

1121
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,360
games when you look at the 
schedule going in are those big 

1122
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,520
games. 
You're like, oh, wow, this team 

1123
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,240
could have some losses early on 
losses in conference play and 

1124
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:09,280
they won all but one of those. 
They can't control the way that 

1125
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,040
Michigan plays this year. 
They can't control what 

1126
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,000
Washington was or UCLA. 
So I don't know the whole this 

1127
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,240
whole schedule argument is I 
understand it, but it's the 

1128
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,480
schedule argument is so SEC 
biased because the eight people 

1129
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,760
love to slap those phone numbers
next to their name at the 

1130
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,720
preseason. 
And then it's like you, you go 8

1131
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,800
weeks in the years like, well, 
Alabama got that quality win 

1132
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,920
over Florida, Florida's team 
that's six and six. 

1133
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,040
It's like, no, they didn't. 
I don't know, sorry. 

1134
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,080
That was that was mean of me to 
make that accent. 

1135
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,480
But it's I think you get the 
point I'm making. 

1136
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,880
It's fine. 
Well, we'll see what happens. 

1137
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,520
Obviously a lot to talk through 
on Sunday and and we'll be doing

1138
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,680
that on the the main Crimson 
cast show. 

1139
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,920
I don't know if we're going to 
go live from it or whether we're

1140
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,120
just going to wait a little bit,
but either way, there's going to

1141
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,800
be a lot of of talk and a lot to
talk about from championship 

1142
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,760
Saturday at Joe Finebaum. 
That's that's tremendous. 

1143
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,840
But I, I just, I'm fascinated to
see where Indiana lands and, and

1144
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,960
you look at the, the list of 
potential opponents. 

1145
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,640
I mean, it is a fascinating 
group of potential opponents. 

1146
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,360
You know, I mean, you think 
about it like you've got a 

1147
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,000
potential match up in State 
College against Penn State, 

1148
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,560
which I know a lot of people 
have been nervous about. 

1149
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,960
And like, wow, that's a terrible
place to have to go if you're 

1150
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,120
Indiana. 
But I'll note last year Indiana 

1151
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,560
was tied at Penn State, a much 
worse Indiana team. 

1152
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,800
Yeah, it was a tie game with 
three minutes to go. 

1153
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,640
And Tom Allen did not seal the 
deal. 

1154
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,000
Let's just put it that way. 
Some, some, some bad coaching 

1155
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,520
decisions down the stretch. 
You got a potential. 

1156
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,680
So I, I think Indiana would be 
very competitive against Penn 

1157
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:51,880
State. 
I think if they could solve Penn

1158
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,800
State's defensive line, they've 
got the offensive firepower to 

1159
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,720
be able to outpace Penn State. 
You've got a potential match up 

1160
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,760
at Notre Dame who everybody's 
like, well, Notre Dame's really 

1161
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,280
good. 
And they may be but, but, but 

1162
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,640
again, not a team that 
necessarily scares you in terms 

1163
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,000
of like the overall package. 
You know, I think Notre Dame's 

1164
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,880
played very well, but I am 
curious to see how Indiana would

1165
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,600
fare. 
And that is not that hostile of 

1166
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,680
an environment to go into. 
You know, you've got potentially

1167
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,000
a trip to Neelam Stadium, which 
is a hostile environment. 

1168
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,000
But a Tennessee team that if you
look at their play against SEC 

1169
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,920
opponents, they're only 
averaging 25 points a game 

1170
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,200
against SEC opponents. 
It's not an offense that's 

1171
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,040
generating tons of points or has
a ton of explosiveness. 

1172
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,040
It's a game. 
Indiana could stay in Texas, who

1173
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,360
we mentioned earlier. 
Unlikely that Indiana would play

1174
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:45,440
Texas, but it's possible if 
Texas loses big to Georgia and 

1175
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:50,800
you know, you could be walking 
into to to Austin and and having

1176
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,480
a chance to play a Texas team 
who's, you know, yeah, they won 

1177
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,680
at A&M, but their best record or
their their best win before that

1178
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,040
was against Vanderbilt. 
It's like they they've not 

1179
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,960
beaten a lot of top teams. 
You probably want to I'd like to

1180
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,120
avoid going back to Ohio State. 
I think that would that would 

1181
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,400
suck. 
Although you're catching an Ohio

1182
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,560
State team. 
Whose fans hate themselves like 

1183
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,400
they hate their program. 
You know, there's there, there 

1184
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,520
are, there are quasi serious 
takes out there from Ohio State 

1185
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,680
pundits that they don't want 
Ohio State to win a national 

1186
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,120
title because they want Ryan Day
fired at the end of the season 

1187
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,320
because they can't beat 
Michigan. 

1188
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,080
Like, this is the rhetoric right
now coming out of a lot of Ohio 

1189
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,480
State people. 
The issue is is that Ohio State 

1190
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,240
team can very well still March 
into the national championship 

1191
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,560
game. 
This is what's so fascinating 

1192
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,440
about this season of college 
football. 

1193
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,000
And again with Oregon, yes, 
they're the clear number one 

1194
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,920
team, but I, I'm looking at the 
12. 

1195
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,640
I can probably rule out a 
couple, but there's not a team 

1196
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,080
that I'm like, they are going to
win. 

1197
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,880
And actually you can just like 
put it right there. 

1198
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,760
You can point at it because 
you've seen in the past couple 

1199
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,080
years, like Michigan was far and
away the best team last year. 

1200
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,120
The two years before that, 
Georgia was fantastic and was 

1201
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:00,960
clearly the best team in college
football. 

1202
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,720
That 2020 Alabama team right 
now, there is more balance 

1203
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,720
within the sport where it's like
you can go 8 to 10 teams and 

1204
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,600
you're like, why not to some of 
these teams? 

1205
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,360
I, I did, there are some like 
with Penn State, it's like James

1206
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:15,680
Franklin going to win a big 
game. 

1207
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,800
Who knows, Can IU actually match
up with the big dogs? 

1208
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,120
Who knows. 
There's, there's so much unknown

1209
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:24,600
with it. 
But like when looking at the eye

1210
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,600
test stats, everything, that's 
the biggest thing for Indiana. 

1211
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,000
It's blocking out the noise and 
the actual noise of the crowd 

1212
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,040
because no matter where they go,
it's going to be hostile. 

1213
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,840
If they go to Notre Dame, I 
think they'll have a stronger 

1214
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,520
Indiana contingent. 
I went to it was the Notre Dame 

1215
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,080
Cincinnati game back in 2021, 
that very good undefeated Cincy 

1216
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,400
team. 
And Cincy kind of took over the 

1217
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,160
stadium in a sense. 
They had like probably 30% of 

1218
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,840
the fans there. 
And I know a playoff game is a 

1219
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,040
bit of a different magnitude, 
but I think IU could have a 

1220
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,440
strong show and in South Bend, 
but no matter what, it's going 

1221
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,280
to be a hostile environment. 
But I think as far as team 

1222
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,440
performance, they can match up 
with these teams. 

1223
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,320
You look at talent on both 
sides. 

1224
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:06,240
Sure, the other teams will have 
the four or five stars talent 

1225
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,000
wise, but from production, from 
stats, from offensive rankings, 

1226
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,920
defensive rankings, I mean, I've
said this the moment we started 

1227
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,520
the show, this team has played 
like, has looked like and is one

1228
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:18,800
of the best teams in the 
country. 

1229
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,720
And they have a chance to make 
some serious noise. 

1230
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,360
And you know, if they pick off a
team on the road that that 

1231
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,480
silences everything. 
If they get one win and that's 

1232
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,760
enough, that's that's all they 
need to do to like get the 

1233
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,200
respect of the country. 
Gary asked what's the visiting 

1234
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,480
team ticket situation? 
Gary, I got bad news. 

1235
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,720
They don't know A, we don't 
know. 

1236
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,120
But B, what little I've heard is
not good. 

1237
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,320
Like there was a there was a 
note from Georgia athletics to 

1238
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,880
their fans basically saying. 
Do not sell your tickets. 

1239
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,720
Well, not only, well, not only 
do not sell your tickets, but if

1240
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,120
we have to go on the road, we 
probably like, I think their 

1241
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:59,800
allotment is like 3500 tickets. 
And so if you are planning on 

1242
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:04,520
going anywhere, you are going to
be paying a lot of money like 

1243
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,440
you're, you're. 
So my recommendation would be 

1244
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,400
you either buy early or buy 
really late. 

1245
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,360
Probably buy early because 
unlike these are going to be 

1246
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,880
some of the the hottest items. 
Yeah. 

1247
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,720
I mean, this is the first. 
This is the first of its kind. 

1248
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,680
As Matt notes, Georgia tickets 
today on StubHub are 300 to 

1249
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:22,600
$800. 
Right. 

1250
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,760
It's gonna get worse. 
I mean, especially when someone 

1251
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,280
you, you get some of these 
marquee names as matchups. 

1252
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,960
It's gonna get ugly for how 
expensive. 

1253
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,760
It's it's gonna be really pricey
and it's gonna be one of those 

1254
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:37,400
situations where you're gonna, 
you know, you've got a lot of 

1255
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,400
futures. 
And it's interesting 'cause as 

1256
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,800
Ryan notes, like no tickets have
actually been released, but like

1257
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,520
I've got IU hosting tickets in 
my account now. 

1258
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,840
They don't match anything right 
now, but there's at least 

1259
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,000
barcodes I think that could be 
utilized there's. 

1260
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,480
No hypothetical. 
There. 

1261
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,440
That's right, these are 
hypothetical ticket prices. 

1262
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,520
You you need to you need to 
screenshot it and just have it. 

1263
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,720
Maybe print it out, frame it as 
like a? 

1264
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:01,800
Totally. 
That's. 

1265
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,240
A keepsake. 
This, this. 

1266
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,680
That's the thing you tell your 
grandkids like, oh, I almost 

1267
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,680
hosted a playoff. 
Game last thing I'll note is we 

1268
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,600
we have a, you know, you've got 
the ridiculous amount of money 

1269
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,800
that you're going to spend on 
College Football Playoff 

1270
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,440
tickets. 
And to answer the question from 

1271
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,400
earlier, yes, I will be there. 
I I will be there no matter 

1272
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,880
what, wherever Indiana's 
playing, I will be there. 

1273
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,720
But look at the look at the 
prices right now for getting 

1274
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,960
into the Big 10 Championship 
game. 

1275
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,440
The get in price, the get in 
price right now is is $32. 

1276
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,760
That's not bad. 
I mean, considering how far 

1277
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:43,480
these teams have to travel, yes,
like it. 

1278
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,440
I guess it makes more sense. 
Like, had that been Indiana? 

1279
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,440
Oregon, like? 
Yep, it's. 

1280
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,400
Sea of red. 
So, you know, there's a lot of 

1281
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,360
different things that that 
you're gonna be interesting to 

1282
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,120
keep an eye on as we go through 
all of this with, with tickets 

1283
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,680
and with location. 
You're going to know very 

1284
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,000
quickly. 
You're going to know at noon 

1285
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,360
where Indiana's going. 
We we pretty much know where all

1286
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,400
the potential locations are. 
And the nice thing is all of 

1287
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,520
them but one is drivable from 
Bloomington or, or from 

1288
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,040
Indianapolis. 
The only, yeah, the only one 

1289
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,960
that wouldn't be would be 
Austin, unless something truly 

1290
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,400
insane happens, like Oregon 
loses by 60 points. 

1291
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,200
Even then, I don't think they're
getting knocked down to a point 

1292
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,120
where Indiana would be playing 
them, but just so many different

1293
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,080
permutations, so many different 
things that could happen with 

1294
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,720
this. 
And we'll keep an eye on it 

1295
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,840
obviously here over the next few
days and during Championship 

1296
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,760
Saturday as we check out what 
goes on with Indiana as we move 

1297
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,760
forward. 
Anyway, we're about to write 

1298
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,360
wrap up Bison chat. 
Any final thoughts from you Joe?

1299
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,280
Well, I will say we didn't get 
to mention it, but a huge 

1300
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,640
congratulations 1 to Signetti 
for winning Big 10 Coach of the 

1301
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,080
Year. 
And then it's six guys on the 

1302
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,840
all Big 10 teams, 3 on the first
team for defense, Fisher 

1303
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,760
D'Angelo Pons and of course 
Mikael Camero who I thought 

1304
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,040
should have won Defensive player
of the year to Rourke Sarat. 

1305
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,560
Of course Mike Kadik. 
I mean what a career Mike Kadik 

1306
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,640
has had. 
I got to do a sit down interview

1307
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,480
with him and just a great guy 
and very positive with 

1308
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,120
everything he's gone through. 
So Congrats to those six the 

1309
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,200
Arnold mentions as well and the 
Congrats to this team. 

1310
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,680
And it's been, it's been a ride,
it's been a fun ride and ready 

1311
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,320
for more. 
Ready for more. 

1312
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,480
I, I'm, I'm, I'm so looking 
forward to it. 

1313
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,920
And you know, Indiana will be 
playing in 2 1/2 weeks 

1314
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,960
somewhere. 
And we know whether that's on 

1315
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,800
that Friday night or whether 
it's sometime that day, Saturday

1316
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,120
following, it's going to be 
quite a ride And a place that 

1317
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,480
Indiana's never been before 
place really very few teams have

1318
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,280
been before, which is the 
playoff and the expanded 

1319
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,520
playoffs, a new frontier for 
college football. 

1320
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:44,160
And, and it's exciting that, you
know, barring a, an insane 

1321
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,760
catastrophe, Indiana's going to 
be in it for the first time. 

1322
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,000
And what a what a spot, what a 
what a situation for the 

1323
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:50,960
program. 
It's amazing. 

1324
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,840
So anyway, we appreciate 
everybody joining, whether you 

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joined us live or whether you're
listening afterwards. 

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Joe, my thanks to you. 
Emily Fox in the producer chair.

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Thank you as always. 
We will be back with more 

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Crimson cast. 
We're going to take a little bit

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of a break this week. 
Not a lot of other action to 

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talk about, but we will be back 
with more on Sunday as we 

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breakdown what happened on the 
championship day and we talk 

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about Indiana's pairing in the 
College Football Playoffs. 

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So we will go ahead and put it 
on ice. 

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Until then for Emily Fox, for 
Joe Crudden, for the entire Back

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home network and IU sports media
families. 

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I'm Galen Clavio saying thanks 
for joining us here on Bison 

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Chat. 
We'll catch you folks. 

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On the flip side, stay never 
daunted. 

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So long, everybody.