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I know it's like, there's like 
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Yes, I'm Galen, he's Scott. 

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Good to be talking to you folks.
Once again, we're gonna recap 

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what happened yesterday. 
In one of the more improbable 

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games that we've seen. 
I, you play in this generation, 

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I would say, I mean, really, 
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beginning of the 2000s, Indiana 
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frankly I haven't done in a long
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How you doing? 
Good to see you. 

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Welcome back to the state of 
Indiana. 

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Yep. 
Yep. 

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Traveling is done. 
It was a fun. 

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I watched most of The game on my
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Airport. 
And then I listened to your 

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preview pod afterwards. 
So I'll quote you back. 

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Are you shocked? 
If you said you'd be shocked, I 

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am shocked. 
I know I really am and and I 

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know you would be just what he 
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just that Indiana one because 
there's a historical element. 

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I you football that we have to 
kind of set aside from the 

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momentary things that we talked 
about with this program and you 

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and I Been fans for a long time.
There's a lot of other people 

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who would fans for a long time. 
And I think, when you've been 

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fans of a program like Indiana 
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start to see these long tail 
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normally performs in these 
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And this game was in the macro 
very unusual for reasons that 

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we'll get to in a minute. 
But it was also very unusual, 

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just looking at the statute, 
like, I've shown five or six 

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people who saw the score and 
we're like, hey, are you one? 

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I'm like, go call. 
All up the box score and look at

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it and then tell me who you 
think won the game and they've 

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all come back with a classic. 
Wait, what? 

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As a response? 
And so this was even unusual 

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within the confines of this time
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And so, yeah, I am fair to say, 
just this kind of Victories not 

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replicatable, it's really not. 
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of those things where it's not a
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It's just, yeah, that's that 
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attempts for to completions and 
31 yards for quarterback. 

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Yeah, and you're down what 17 
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not normally a recipe, like just
it's a bizarre game, it really 

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is, still win laughing sorry, 
cut you off but like my 

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high-level take away like I'm 
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I'm thinking to myself like if 
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Because as you said as an IU fan
of just I'm expecting us to lose

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this game, you know, with the 
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Then we block it, it's a cloud. 
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overtime and then there's like, 
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over to. 
I just I you think it every Step

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of the way, we're going to find 
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history proves me right in that 
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that, you know, we're past the 
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you know, that was really close 
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on the road. 
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I'm thinking to myself that you 
a loss is not acceptable, right?

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No matter how and then but you 
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you know, you can't justify 
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of the close loss game but you 
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to be honest. 
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They found a way to win. 
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replicated again, obvious 
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I'm not, there's a lot of still 
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a win. 
And, and that is that's a good 

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thing. 
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around it really, really need of
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Yeah. 
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victories that I think so. 
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there's still a lot of problems 
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There's still a lot of problems 
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acknowledge those things and 
still Will full-throated Lee, 

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enjoy beating a not terrible, 
Big Ten team on the road beating

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Michigan State on the road. 
This is actually, if you go back

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through the entire history of 
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That was only the seventh time 
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Lansing period, seven times 
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And thus, it's a series that 
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Michigan State really didn't 
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The Big 10 till 1950, still 
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years. 
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deal and it's the first non 
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since 2001. 
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was kind of a unicorn, sort of 
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about how Indiana football 
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As a program has tended to be 
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victories or wow, where did that
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Sort of winds that it feels like
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Get on the rag. 
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And like you said, it's not 
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want to tip my cap to the 
coaching staff, to Tom Allen to 

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Walt Bell in particular, because
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the film, in this game, where 
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Well, if we can do things on the
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have just enough in run blocking
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Michigan State doesn't seem to 
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paid off. 
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putrid the Russian game has been
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finishes this game with a 5.8 
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Touch of student. 52 287 yards 
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with a 79-yard run, Dexter 
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of those four touchdowns. 
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when they needed to to make 
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weirdest thing for me, Scott and
the thing I still can't get my 

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head around. 
Is this game was 24/7 at 

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halftime? 
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like Indiana was adrift. 
It looked absolutely like we'd 

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seen in the Penn State game and 
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Michigan state was clearly, the 
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It was almost like they were 
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you know, Indiana comes out, 
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They get that touchdown, you 
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another three and out Indiana 
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Michigan state gets a touchdown 
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31:14 and you're already halfway
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that point. 
It's like well, okay, that's the

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that's the dagger. 
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goes awry and normally. 
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somehow. 
Indiana managed to figure out a 

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way back into the game. 
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like, how they got themselves 
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that, they needed a missed field
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expired, you know, too? 
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where they could actually get it
to overtime and win and they 

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needed Michigan State to get a 
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overtime to, I mean, it was 
like, there was so many things 

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that had to happen, but this is 
kind of like where the lotto 

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ticket numbers actually line up 
in your favor for the first 

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time. 
So, I'm certainly not throwing 

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it back. 
But again, credit to the 

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coaching staff, particularly on 
offense because the offense did 

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find a way special teams found a
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the return game. 
A couple of great returns by 

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Jaylon Lucas, including that, it
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They've got it listed wrong in 
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the kind of contributions that 
Indiana has desperately needed 

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that they haven't gotten over 
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season and most of last season 
and it's just really cool to see

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it back again. 
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not be sustainable, it may not 
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one-time thing but you know, it 
is interesting because you look 

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at some of the postgame. 
Comments from the players and 

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they're like, well, now we 
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I would question why they needed
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but it's nice. 
If that's, if that's the light 

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bulb going off, then suddenly 
it's like well you know, if this

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team decides, you know what, 
we're not going to put the ball 

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in the air, we're going to run 
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We're going to leverage our best
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Yes, we can we can recriminate a
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didn't you figure that out 
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But if And figure that out and 
beat Purdue after beating 

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Michigan State. 
And I think that's entirely on 

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the table at this point, then 
that's that's at least progress 

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and that's all we've been asking
for throughout the course of the

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season. 
It's just like, like if you can 

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do things, stop banging your 
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things that you can't do. 
And that's really, I think, 

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probably the thing I took away 
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that they finally, like started 
taking a path of lesser 

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resistance and hey, it turned 
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in the end. 
One thing doesn't built. 

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Bill Connolly has a stat again. 
He can't find it on ESPN because

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they don't, they don't promote 
it's tough but it's it's like, 

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you know, like a dynamic plays 
or like big play or something 

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like that, explosive explosive 
place close to. 

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Thank you. 
Yes, that's something that 

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Indiana has just been bereft of.
But you saw how big it is, and 

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again, I don't know if you can 
duplicate that again, but you 

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saw it with, you know, we're 
down 24/7 and half, like you 

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said, and then you get the 79 
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Like, boom is 24:14. 
It's like normally at least 

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this. 
Then and last season's like for 

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us to make, you know, it's like 
two three and outs and then a, 

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you know, 10-play drive that's, 
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It's a slog and like a bunch of 
third and ones. 

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Just like, wow. 
I can't believe we got that 

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done, but it's like, boom, just 
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And then, again, the kickoff 
return, like having two plays in

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the second half, they give you 
14 points, total it makes it so 

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much easier to come back and 
that's something that I'd love 

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to see them continue to do, you 
know the other Things in my mind

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that this wind does is it 
especially for you and me? 

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Not that anyone I you cares 
about us but it does put to end 

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that narrative that like, you 
know, Alan has lost the team two

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years in a row. 
And it's just been a slide and 

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nothingness, like this changes 
and you could have probably 

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still said that with a loss and 
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have still been like, yeah. 
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you you want like all those 
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It's not you know. 
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And ten years. 
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you know, so I think that's a 
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I will also say I do not have 
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maybe you can look it up while 
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But I mentioned the beginning of
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State's kind of a Bellwether for
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this year. 
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our last six against them or 
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two and it's right around the 
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joke I have a Great friend. 
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I've been joking with him, like,
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had a higher finish in the Big 
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and 3 record against them, or 
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Is it look like Mel? 
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They were ready to rock and 
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They were a rocket ship and it's
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the class of Penn State Michigan
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We're just going to death fight 
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the worst team in the in the Big
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really over all the talk. 
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Michigan, Ohio, State and Penn 
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is the team that we've got to 
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So to speak, we've got to keep 
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we've done that. 
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that period a year or two ago 
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amount, like you look up like 
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We won four in a row. 
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psych historically. 
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it's not that bad. 
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that we've had the better five 
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Michigan State, and I don't know
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of the large three wins out of 
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Scuse. 
Me three out of the six though. 

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I had that right. 
The first time it's fits three 

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wins out of the last seven 
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lost. 
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one-and-twenty lost in 20 11 and
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Now, that's that's eliminating. 
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defeats Indiana had to Michigan 
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know, hey, but my stat, I get to
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There you go. 
Absolutely. 

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No. 
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that they're falling behind 
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behind Rutgers. 
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strange. 
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know, that Michigan State kind 
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underachieving team. 
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that Minnesota game and most of 
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justifiable or pretty close. 
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For Indiana to me. 
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Not so much that it was look. 
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I wouldn't have been surprised 
at. 

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I mean, they almost beat 
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forget, I mean, that very good 
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only lost to them at home by 5. 
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season was pretty adrift. 
Jack, Tuttle played the whole 

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game. 
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ideal situation for Indiana, so,
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know that these two teams are 
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Michigan State. 
Struggling this year by the 

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standards that they set last 
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You know, they went into 
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they, you know, they've done 
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you're like, wow that's that's a
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Indiana. 
Just hadn't looked like that. 

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I mean, for Indiana to have lost
seven straight coming into this 

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game and for Indiana to have 
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Rutgers. 
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Envision. 
Michigan State who is much 

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better than both Nebraska and 
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themselves together. 
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and winning against Indiana team
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And so look, you know, there's a
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of this game, was this idea of, 
you know, Indiana found their 

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heart again? 
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narrative and if that's the 
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staff and sticks out to me more 
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More than the passing numbers is
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points in the first half and 
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The entire rest of the game 
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for the defense, a defense that 
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worse than the offense from a 
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of the season. 
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good in this game in the first 
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Look like Michigan state was 
kind of able to do whatever they

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wanted for them to find their 
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able to figure out a way to stop
what Michigan state was doing 

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through the air and keep them in
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That really is Perhaps the kind 
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needed, I mean, you know, as 
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lack of obvious Talent 
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execution. 
Among guys who we expected to 

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perform a lot better, whether 
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Fitzgerald or, you know, Devin 
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Those guys really did show up in
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pass. 
I mean, it feels like it's been 

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forever since that happened, you
know making several stops, you 

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know, down the down the line 
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just the, the two, three and 
outs early on. 

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It was also, you know, they turn
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They they forced Michigan State 
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drive that or the punt that led 
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Indiana that tied the game up, 
you know, stopping them in both 

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overtime, sessions that they had
the ball. 

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That mean, those are, those are 
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And that's the kind of thing. 
I think that you and I have both

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been hoping to see and I don't, 
I'll always be curious like what

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was it about this game? 
At halftime that got them 

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thinking we can do this when it 
didn't happen in some of the 

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previous games, I'm and I'm 
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I'm just always fascinated by 
like why certain times this were

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stuff works and other times it 
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the most impressive thing about 
this game is that if you looked 

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at it and said hey one teams up 
24/7 and then basically D you 

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know didn't score the still 
barely score. 

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The second half another team, 
you know, came back and scored 

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39 points in the You know, in 
for the game you'd be like oh 

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that was we somehow got a lead 
against Michigan State and they 

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made adjustments and we did 
nothing in the second half and 

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it's like it was the opposite 
story and that is something you 

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and I have also been harping on 
All Seasons. 

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It seems like at halftime the 
other team comes out. 

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And it's like, alright we made a
couple adjustments and we don't 

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counter adjust and then that's, 
you know, Checkmate by two 

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minutes into the third quarter, 
it was opposite here and you had

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it, you know, it was Michigan 
state. 

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That wasn't, you know, executing
at the end. 

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So no, it was all true. 
Good. 

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I mean that the couple of is a 
weird place to be where we're 

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nitpicking a win and we this 
should just be a we want and 

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it's great. 
I mean a couple of things that 

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like at the end, you get 
Michigan State to go. 

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Go on forth, they don't get it, 
like, Indiana gets the ball. 

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I think they go for plays. 
You know, they go like not three

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and out but like six and out and
that's where I was like, damn 

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lie. 
You have the game there and they

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punch it to Michigan State. 
And then Mitch they just run the

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ball down. 
Down the field, get to like the 

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whatever the 6-yard line and 
then miss a field goal. 

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Yeah, now I mean you didn't need
a little score, you made him 

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kick a field goal, the 
conditions were tough, but 

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that's what I was, you know, 
there were a lot of signs there 

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of like old IU or it's like you 
had the game you needed your 

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offense or defense to make a 
play and they didn't on either 

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of those but they stopped them. 
They didn't score a touchdown. 

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They, you know, they and they 
made them execute in the 

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emission state was not able to 
execute their and again, Weird 

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spot to be harping in a win. 
I will also just throw out, just

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has to be brought up. 
It's like it is so, so I you and

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it worked out, but I always 
think back to like what you and 

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I talked about like, are you 
knows Alan learning the wrong 

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lessons from things but it did 
work out. 

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So you can't get too annoyed but
end of the first overtime, 

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there's a you know, a couple 
minute break we line up for the 

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start of the second overtime 
line up and then call timeout. 

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That's like like timeouts are 
important. 

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Now that that Did set up the the
pass, you know, we scored in 

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overtime, the touchdown pass so 
it's like they made it seen 

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something and then call the 
psych, I will give them benefit 

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of the doubt, but it is, it's 
tough. 

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After years of seeing so many 
bad timeout, call that just like

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I was like, you, that's where 
you use your time out, really? 

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But again, it worked and we are 
at a point where I always hate 

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the, hey, man, a wins a win, but
it's like that was really where 

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this program is at and they 
needed that. 

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Yeah, I mean, ultimately Italy, 
those types of calls. 

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We don't have to we're not to 
harp on because they end up. 

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Not yeah mattering. 
And that is a great place to be,

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you know, and it's it's like 
we'll talk about basketball in 

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our next podcast. 
It's like there were little 

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things that happen in that 
Xavier game, where you're like, 

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wait, what are you doing that? 
Or why was that decision made? 

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But all that stuff, miraculously
just becomes things to work on 

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if you win as opposed to being 
things to harp on when you lose.

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I mean and I'll say this you 
know Indiana It's not entirely 

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like they're not going to a 
bowl, but five and seven 

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records, but they Rutgers got it
Ivan. 7 could be a bowl Rutgers.

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It is possible. 
It seems unlikely this year but 

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just because there's a lot going
to be a lot of teams that are 

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likely going to be six. 
And six is always going to be 

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five and seven teams. 
That Indiana is probably going 

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to not, not going to be viewed 
in the same context as but look 

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as down as we've been on the 
program and as down as I was on 

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them in the preview podcast and 
look, I was I was wrong. 

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They responded in a way I did 
not expect them to and I'm happy

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to be wrong. 
I've always just wanted this 

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program to like, show life and I
was thinking about this as 

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Michigan state was lining up for
what? 

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Look like was going to be the, 
the game-winning field goal As 

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Time. 
Expired. 

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It's like, how I'm going to get,
how am I going to feel about 

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this and, you know, I'd settled 
on this idea that look, They 

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lost and that's unacceptable, it
kind of what you said, but on 

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this on the the same token to be
down this long this season and 

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to come back on the road against
the team that was fighting for a

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bowl bid and really needed that 
win because they're going to 

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have to go play at Penn State 
next week. 

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And that's, they're probably 
gonna lose that. 

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And they're gonna finish 5 and 7
for this team to fight back the 

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way that they did, it would have
been a, an unjust result in 

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soccer. 
This would have been like a 

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perfect draw game where it's 
like, you know, you fight back, 

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but for Indiana does, Vo, the 
points as we would say in soccer

442
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,100
and Come Away with the Victory 
World Cup. 

443
00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:03,100
I'm right now, I'm I've got, 
I've got this horrific opening 

444
00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:05,100
ceremony on in the background 
right now. 

445
00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:09,700
That's another podcast. 
But yeah, the whole idea behind 

446
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:13,900
this win for Indiana and even if
they lost the game was, here's a

447
00:23:13,908 --> 00:23:16,700
team that's been downtrodden 
that really looked like they 

448
00:23:16,700 --> 00:23:19,600
were out of it from a mental 
perspective, from an emotional 

449
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,800
perspective, for them to come 
back and respond the way that 

450
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,600
they did in this game, even if 
they lost. 

451
00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:27,900
The game on that last second 
field goal, I think is a Real 

452
00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:32,900
Testament to the fight that has 
been on Earth with this team. 

453
00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:35,200
And the question is, okay, can 
you replicate that and can you 

454
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,300
play well against Purdue? 
And I can he ruin the end of 

455
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:42,200
Purdue's season? 
Now, you know that we didn't get

456
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,000
the greatest time line here, 
which would be canadiana have a 

457
00:23:46,008 --> 00:23:49,900
chance to beat Purdue with a Big
Ten championship game birth on 

458
00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:52,600
the line for Purdue. 
That seems very unlikely as Iowa

459
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,500
beat Minnesota yesterday. 
Only needs to beat Northwestern,

460
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,400
they hold the tiebreaker over 
afternoon are Nebraska. 

461
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,400
Sorry, they hold the tight end. 
Nebraska looks like a truly 

462
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,100
broken team. 
They just lost at home 

463
00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:05,800
yesterday. 
There's still an order of 

464
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,200
events. 
I don't know what time that 

465
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,000
games are set for yet, like if 
well, I'm here for doing first, 

466
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,900
Purdue Indiana. 
Is it 3:30 that they just, they 

467
00:24:13,900 --> 00:24:19,300
just announced that yesterday. 
And I think I want to brassicas 

468
00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:22,400
at for our so, it's a four. 
So we, yeah, we could do it. 

469
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,700
And there could be score updates
where we An absolute have it on 

470
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:26,800
the line. 
Yeah, we could. 

471
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,200
Absolutely I mean we could 
completely put the nail in the 

472
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,200
coffin of Purdue which would be 
great. 

473
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,500
But right now like if those two 
teams finish six and three in 

474
00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:40,100
conference Iowa is going to the 
Big Ten title game which that's 

475
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:42,600
a whole nother thing. 
So big ten west like this is 

476
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,100
like, really you play a whole 
season. 

477
00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:46,700
This is what you give us. 
I know they're they could, they 

478
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:50,100
could that Violet had on the 
season in the big tennis court, 

479
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:52,700
151 points. 
I mean that is like for that 

480
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:56,600
team to make it into the big. 
And title game is just a clear, 

481
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,500
clear? 
Indictment about how stupid, the

482
00:24:58,508 --> 00:25:02,300
Big Ten is handled their stuff. 
But anyway, regardless, it's 

483
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:05,800
still a bucket game and, you 
know, this is the dividing line 

484
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,200
between Purdue going, 8 & 4 & 7 
& 5 in Indiana's. 

485
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,100
Got absolutely nothing to lose. 
And they've got something to 

486
00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:17,600
play for, which is in essence 
momentum for next year. 

487
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,400
It's hey, let's demonstrate 
that. 

488
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,200
This wasn't a completely lost 
season. 

489
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,600
And frankly, you know, you get 
if you get a victory in that, 

490
00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:27,900
That game. 
And this actually, it's pursuant

491
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:32,200
to a question that we got on 
Twitter last night which was 

492
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,600
essentially along the lines of, 
you know, does this win? 

493
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,900
Let me see if I can find it real
quick here, because it was, it's

494
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:39,700
a good question. 
And I know it's one that several

495
00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:42,700
people have asked, this was from
our friend, Patrick, as many 

496
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:45,300
questions and concerns I have 
heading into the offseason. 

497
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:48,200
Does a win versus Purdue change 
anything for me. 

498
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,000
It's a no, or a maybe. 
I still have extreme concern 

499
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,600
over coaching / scheme but maybe
Dexter Williams Bridges. 

500
00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:58,300
To your Gap to a buyout. 
I mean, look, this is what I was

501
00:25:58,300 --> 00:25:59,200
talking about. 
At the beginning. 

502
00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:02,900
I think you can enjoy Michigan 
State, enjoy that win. 

503
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:07,500
And if Indiana beats Purdue, I 
mean, that's, that's something 

504
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:12,100
you should celebrate regardless.
Now, you know, even even if 

505
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:14,900
you've got concerns about the 
long-term prognosis of the 

506
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:17,600
program and both of you and I 
are on record saying that 

507
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,300
there's like all kinds of 
flashing warning signals that 

508
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:24,200
need to be addressed. 
But if you beat Purdue and beat 

509
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,300
Michigan, In state in your last 
two games of the Season that is,

510
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:30,200
at least something that you can 
build on for next year. 

511
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:34,000
And look, we've said for quite a
while, there's there's no, 

512
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:37,400
there's no good no change coming
with this program. 

513
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:40,100
This is what Indiana's got. 
I think for the next two years, 

514
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,900
so you might, as well make the 
best of it. 

515
00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:45,900
And if you know, if you can pick
up a win against Purdue and you 

516
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,600
can drop them to 7 and 5 and you
can think, okay, maybe there is 

517
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,000
something to build on. 
I don't think something that you

518
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,400
know, again we're talking about 
2024 and Beyond. 

519
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,600
I don't think anything that's 
happening in this season or even

520
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,500
next season is going to 
necessarily affect the analysis 

521
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:04,400
of what's going on then. 
And frankly look, if this is a 

522
00:27:04,408 --> 00:27:07,100
springboard for this team to 
realize that, hey, we got to 

523
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:10,000
shift our system. 
We're much better as an option 

524
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,000
style program where we're not 
throwing the ball, a bunch. 

525
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,300
I mean, there were no passes 
completed, two wide receivers 

526
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:20,900
today, it was, it was in 
regulation the 2:01, a jaybird 

527
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,600
to Josh Henderson at the end of 
the over time the Pasta burner 

528
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,500
and then the two point 
conversion doesn't even count as

529
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:31,100
a completion. 
But you know, maybe this is what

530
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:33,800
this offensive line can actually
do because they certainly can't 

531
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,900
pass block but maybe they can 
run block if that's what Indiana

532
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:40,100
really commits to and maybe 
that's a building block for the 

533
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:41,600
future. 
Does it mean that you suddenly 

534
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,800
have to be Rosy an optimistic 
about the future? 

535
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,200
No. 
But I do think it would, at 

536
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,200
least point to the type of 
adaptability we've been like 

537
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,100
begging for over the course of 
the last season and And three 

538
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,600
quarters. 
We felt like we saw a little bit

539
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,600
of it and that Michigan State 
game and if the defense can 

540
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,700
start playing like the defense 
was playing in 2020 which is 

541
00:28:02,708 --> 00:28:04,300
kind of what they did in that 
second half. 

542
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,900
I mean there was a lot of Bend 
but don't break but this year 

543
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:11,400
it's been Bend and then break. 
That's at least something to 

544
00:28:11,408 --> 00:28:14,400
build off of. 
And I'm look again, I still got 

545
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,700
a lot of questions about where 
this programs at, I still get a 

546
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:19,800
lot of questions about why this 
game they suddenly showed up 

547
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:24,000
just in the second half. 
Not even in the first half, but 

548
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:27,000
let's just put it aside. 
Let's let the bucket gameplay 

549
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,800
out and then let's see what 
looks like is happening in the 

550
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,400
offseason. 
I think that's really the the 

551
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,900
solution at this stage. 
I completely agree and to try 

552
00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:37,500
and end on a positive note, you 
know. 

553
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:43,000
I have a hard time even focusing
on anything quarterback related 

554
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,700
because you mentioned in the 
preview, well done that, you 

555
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:49,600
know, Williams is numbers or 
probably even worse than 

556
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,800
McCullough's Laster macaulay's 
last year and he's not our fees 

557
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,400
are wide receiver. 
Now, is that our quarterbacks 

558
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,200
like, where where we sat a year 
ago? 

559
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,800
Neither of us knew much about 
Connor, Bay's lack, and he was 

560
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,200
our quarterback to start this 
season. 

561
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,800
So our quarterback is probably 
going to look vastly different 

562
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,300
next year. 
I would assume it's just not 

563
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:10,800
feasible, to go into Big, Texas.
And hey, we got a quarterback 

564
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,400
who completes on average about 
two passes a game, right? 

565
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,100
That's just that's not going to 
work. 

566
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,900
But, you know, going back to 
some things that we've talked 

567
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:24,600
about that, you know, whether 
all the things you said are 

568
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,700
true, but it's like no matter 
what, like whether you believe 

569
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:30,500
it was, you know, the right 
setup or, you know, things are 

570
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:33,400
not exactly analogous. 
But like Alan had a run there 

571
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,700
for three years where he was 
very good with that team and 

572
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:39,500
that group and got them to do 
things well beyond the scope. 

573
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,300
Up of what I you football 
normally does and and so that is

574
00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:48,100
that is the Hope and the feel 
here is like we know that he can

575
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:49,600
do it. 
When things are lined up 

576
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,700
correctly, we know that he can 
take a team and push them a 

577
00:29:52,708 --> 00:29:54,600
little bit higher than we want 
them to. 

578
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,400
It's like in basketball to get 
you a coach who's been to a 

579
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,400
final four? 
It's like we know they can do 

580
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,100
it. 
Maybe everything has to be lined

581
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,200
up but like let's let's get 
those things lined up. 

582
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,100
And that's that is also what I 
think here going into the 

583
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:08,700
offseason is you know you look 
at that Penn State game in 2020.

584
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:10,900
It's vastly. 
You have different person, a lot

585
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:13,100
of things, not the same, but 
it's like, look at the numbers 

586
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:14,600
of that game, Penn State should 
have won the game. 

587
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,000
Like, if they just score a 
touchdown, they win the game. 

588
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,100
Like the guy stops or no, know 
if they guy Neil, sorry. 

589
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,100
If the guy kneels and doesn't 
score the touchdown, they win 

590
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:27,600
the game. 
But you know, we win the game on

591
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,100
a play by penix. 
We all know. 

592
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:32,300
And that kind of propelled us if
that doesn't, if we don't beat 

593
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:35,000
Penn State, I'm not sure what 
that season looks like. 

594
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,400
And I'm not saying this is going
to help repel us a teal to new 

595
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,200
heights but This could be that 
piece that kind of stops The 

596
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,800
Rock going down hill and starts 
going the right way. 

597
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,300
And as you, and I've always 
said, it's like, Alan works on 

598
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:51,200
Vibes, works on good feelings, 
and when he can get that going 

599
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,200
in the right direction, he can 
get people to do things kind of 

600
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,500
beyond their scope. 
And so that's that's that's what

601
00:30:56,500 --> 00:31:00,600
you hope happens here as well. 
Yeah, that's that's that sounds 

602
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,100
it about as well as I could sum 
it up. 

603
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:07,600
So so Indiana wins and I'm 
pleased, and we're will love it 

604
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,000
in the bucket. 
Interesting fact trophy 

605
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,700
interesting. 
Game coming up. 

606
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:16,200
And I'm I mean, II will say, you
know, Purdue has scraped 

607
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,900
together. 
A pretty good season for them 

608
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,900
overall given where they started
this year. 

609
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:26,700
This is not a great Purdue team 
and I think that it's going to 

610
00:31:26,708 --> 00:31:30,700
make it a really fascinating day
if Indiana can figure out 

611
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:33,600
something on the ground and and 
play well on defense. 

612
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,700
I mean, you go look at what 
Purdue's accomplished so far in 

613
00:31:36,708 --> 00:31:40,500
the season, you know, there. 
They've just, it's just such a 

614
00:31:40,508 --> 00:31:45,300
schizophrenic set of games. 
They've, you know, they they won

615
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:49,300
at Minnesota. 
They want at Maryland, they won 

616
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:53,300
at Illinois, but then they got 
blown out at home by Iowa, and 

617
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:55,500
they only scored three points. 
And they really struggled 

618
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,300
against Northwestern yesterday, 
and they only won by eight. 

619
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:01,400
They they lost it. 
Wisconsin, and Wisconsin is not 

620
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,800
that great. 
They really struggled with 

621
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,200
Nebraska, they lost to Syracuse 
which didn't look that bad for a

622
00:32:07,208 --> 00:32:08,900
while. 
They barely beat Florida. 

623
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:11,400
Atlantic, I've Clue what to make
out of this Purdue team whether 

624
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,200
they're actually good or not. 
You know, they haven't 

625
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,400
overwhelmingly scored points 
this season. 

626
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:18,900
They have an overwhelmingly kept
their opponents from scoring 

627
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:21,000
points. 
They've been very schizophrenic 

628
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,800
and I mean Indiana hasn't been 
schizophrenic. 

629
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,300
They just been poor but you look
at the way that Indiana played 

630
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:30,300
in this Michigan State game and 
it's like if you can bring that 

631
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:33,600
kind of emotion into this game, 
it feels like a very even game 

632
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,800
between two teams that are not 
awesome by any stretch of the 

633
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,400
imagination. 
Both have a lot of flaws. 

634
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,300
Oz and you know it's a bucket 
game. 

635
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:46,900
So there's a lot to be said for 
random chance happening one way 

636
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:48,200
or another in those sorts of 
games. 

637
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,300
So we'll see what happens with 
that. 

638
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:51,600
We'll have a preview podcast 
coming up close to the end of 

639
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,300
the week as we get ready for 
that game. 

640
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:55,600
Scott. 
As always a pleasure talking to 

641
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,400
you football with you. 
Well, not I mean talking with 

642
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,800
talking with you talking wins. 
I mean, it's been a while since 

643
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,500
we had a chance to do that. 
So anyway, thanks to you folks, 

644
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,300
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645
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646
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,100
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647
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:10,700
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648
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:14,300
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649
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:17,300
basketball. 
It's podcast season, it's Feast 

650
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:20,100
week, so eat it up. 
Folks for Scott. 

651
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:22,200
I'm Galen. 
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652
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,800
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653
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,600
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