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Welcome back to Crimson Cask ale

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and Claudia Scott Caulfield 
joining you. 

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Once again, it is the 10th of 
February. 

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We had to take a little bit of a
hiatus. 

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In podcasting largely because of
our live event that happened 

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this past Saturday, in 
Bloomington, great to see 

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everybody down at switchyard. 
Great to see the guys from 

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assembly call. 
And Scott. 

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We missed a couple of games 
that. 

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Well, you know, the podcasting 
is fun when there's wins. 

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And there, haven't been a whole 
lot of those in the last week 

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and a half. 
Unfortunately, but here we are 

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to talk about where Indiana 
basketball is at. 

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And first of all, to talk about 
how you're at. 

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How are you? 
At what's going on? 

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How you doing? 
I'm good. 

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Yeah, sorry, I missed everybody 
at the switchyard event of the 

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world was conspiring to not, get
me there. 

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And what I mean by that is I was
supposed to go to Boston for a 

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wedding, everything got 
cancelled, all the flights got 

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canceled. 
So I theoretically would have 

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been able to drive down but 
three days before the wedding. 

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So last Wednesday, I took some 
covid test to get ready to go to

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the wedding and I was positive 
and so I'm breaking my own HIPAA

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here. 
So there you go, but it was 

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weird. 
I had no I had no symptoms, but 

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I did have To isolate in the 
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I wore the mask, you know, 
luckily my wife and kids all 

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tested negative and then never 
showed symptoms. 

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And I was one of the rare ones 
who never got symptoms through 

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the whole thing. 
So I kind of Breeze through it. 

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I'm not making light of it. 
But yeah. 

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Anyway, so I was, I was 
definitely sitting in my guest 

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room, with the door closed 
watching the game thinking of 

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all you guys the switchyard 
being like, wow, they're between

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trips and cancellations and 
covid. 

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Like this was, the world did not
want me to go to that event. 

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So I was not there, so, 
hopefully, hopefully next year, 

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We're pandemics and whether and 
weddings allow me to come to the

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live event. 
It's a, it's always a less than 

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complete event when you're not 
there. 

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So hopefully you will be down 
next time. 

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But now I look was a good time 
and we certainly appreciate 

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everybody coming out and joining
us at the show and raising 

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money. 
Look great sound a great. 

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Yeah, raising money for charity 
and just getting a chance to 

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interact with people always a 
good time. 

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All right, Scott, where do we 
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Where do we start? 
Well, I guess we got to start 

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with the big story, which is 
that Indiana played at 

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Northwestern. 
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Eastern tip, never the best of 
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basketball game because it's 
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all night or it's awful. 
And you're depressed, all the 

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next morning. 
This one was definitely in the 

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latter category. 
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to get upset about if you were 
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So, as we found out right before
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had suspended five players for 
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I guess the best way to describe
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explanation, and I don't think 
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detrimental and this included 
starting point guard, Xavier 

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Johnson. 
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the starting shooting guard, 
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who had been in some hot water 
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Benched and in, in general, 
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I think 46 percent of their 
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their minutes. 
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I feel like we've seen this 
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they were Scrappy. 
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They lost a little bit of the 
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enough of it that you could be 
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second half. 
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team ran out of gas Trey 
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good game. 
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of very unfortunate hook and 
holds that he committed Trace 

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Jackson, Davis, really? 
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self and the team kind of fell 
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What for them was a very 
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And, and unfortunately, IU with 
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probably couldn't afford to lose
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tournament resume. 
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wins, but Scott the window or 
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almost secondary to the news of 
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had? 
I you the fan base of Buzz here 

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over the course of the last 
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What, what is your overall take 
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Yeah, it's by the way. 
It's like I don't like 

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situations like this, but I was 
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This is kind of why we have this
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something in a non podcast 
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I would have called you and we 
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it. 
So this is anyway, here's one of

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my first thoughts and I'm not 
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guilty on both sides of this, 
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How when these things do happen.
It does seem to be The kind of 

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crystallization of where you can
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program is at. 
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had situations somewhat similar 
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So in this one Woodson suspends 
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part again judging by the 
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media reaction. 
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Like everybody is the Players. 
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Screw this up like Woodson's 
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fine. 
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out without taking sides here. 
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where, you know, Devin Dumas and
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A had a car thing with Yogi 
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There wasn't Devon. 
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It was, it was Devin Davis. 
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Sorry? 
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By the way, I can explain all 
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of my life on covid brain fog. 
So we're not letting you get 

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away with it. 
We know the truth. 

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Anyway, go ahead. 
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that an oddly like Yogi, never 
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rest of his career, but that was
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I think I was on this bandwagon 
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A Creed as lost control of this 
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Like, this is a coach who's lost
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players are doing this, it felt 
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of the day, visera. 
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And there, it was very much like
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the team. 
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interesting that when these 
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coach has lost control of the 
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you know, coaches doing what he 
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fault. 
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basically. 
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situations, but for kind of a 
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being suspended. 
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both sides of the field and I'm 
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where. 
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interesting where, for the most 
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Everybody is on Woodson side and
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the team down. 
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first thought that I had which 
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But no, I mean, it's it sucks. 
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that it is kind of jarring to be
like, there's Five Guys who, you

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know, got suspended that said, 
it's like I was putting this in 

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a couple texts from friends. 
Like Christian Lander, basically

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doesn't play, Michael dirr 
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Like three or four minutes, you 
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a ghost after the starting 
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It's like you basically lost 
Xavier Johnson, which is a big 

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loss. 
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team, but the, you know, being 
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like dirt. 
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but it was more the the number 
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guys were out there that sucked.
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like that team could have won at
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feel like I'll end with this. 
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chronic Hoosier kind of put this
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you know, this feels like this 
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moment for this team. 
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look, these are these are 
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We watch college basketball, 
like it was kind of, no surprise

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looking back. 
They lost to Michigan, like they

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want a great game at Purdue. 
They probably went out and party

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as I would have done it. 21, 22 
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I did as a 40 year old guy was 
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They came out flat because that 
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little nuts after that. 
They, I get it, these kids made 

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some mistakes. 
It's like people make mistakes, 

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people screw up a college or 
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It's like, you can you can make 
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And kicking some ass against 
Michigan State or Wisconsin like

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come out and really show like, 
hey, I'm sorry. 

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I screwed up and go kick some 
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The trouble is like those were 
really, you can play your ass 

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off and still lose the Michigan 
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So anyway, I'm going to stop 
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I've given you a lot to chew on,
so I'll stop there at a, in a 

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mid paragraph Point. 
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Look, I mean, I'll say this. 
I've thought about this a lot 

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over the last couple of days and
I think to some degree, these 

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sorts of situations are bound to
be misinterpreted or over 

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interpreted in the social media 
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you know, look, we've seen 
players get suspended before 

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we've seen, you know, guys, do 
you know things that the 

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coaching staff didn't like and 
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And people would talk about it, 
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things that took on a life of 
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conversation, the way that it 
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media. 
This stuff is just red meat for 

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the over reactionary aspects of 
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you know, there's this There's 
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with being online, now, where 
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what you say, or how you react 
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there's no ramifications for you
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criticizing people for what 
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Even, if they've done things 
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classify as wrong. 
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overreactions to the 
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going too far. 
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well, you know, you know, this 
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not worth being critical over to
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And I think the original thing 
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time of IU basketball, just not 
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culture. 
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more concerned about It than the
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think that, you know, is a very 
interesting move. 

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I'm still not totally sure. 
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Woodson's part because we don't 
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the situation was or anything 
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game about what the actions were
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took the actions that he did. 
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the day, we really don't know 
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You know, I'm sure there's 
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could believe if you wanted to, 
but the reality is, it doesn't 

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necessarily matter. 
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coach of IU basketball in when 
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a must-win game but a really, 
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to bench, you know, almost half 
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a situation where they weren't 
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I mean, there was almost no 
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to be able to pull that out with
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scholarship playing in that game
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Duncan didn't even see the 
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I just, you know, I'm kind of at
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this at this point because it's 
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perea Devin Davis thing and it 
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things that have occurred, if 
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mentioned a little bit earlier. 
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it's the one thing that you 
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it's, you know, if you look at 
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basketball programs out there, 
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do things. 
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mentality in their culture one 
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doing things the right way. 
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the Coaching staff. 
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enforced by the players and I 
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necessarily is at that point. 
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apparently trying to instill 
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culture to do things in a way 
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police their own conduct. 
That's really the only way that 

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you get to this and fix 
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And I just Don't know if I you 
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of its roster makeup where 
you're going to have guys doing 

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that. 
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that's Brad by two decades of 
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itself as seriously as it used 
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living in the past. 
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programs out there that take 
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lot of basketball games these 
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to and would like to be And 
Indiana just hasn't been that 

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for a long time. 
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the news. 
I was more just kind of bemused.

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I was like, wow, this is still 
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fact that still happening. 
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culmination of a lot of years of
recruiting players who are 

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individually talented, but for 
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into and maybe because there's 
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mentality of being serious about
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ultimately, you know, when I 
when I heard Woodson's comments 

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in the post game, That's why, 
you know, I mean he's not going 

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to spill the beans on what the 
individual items were, really 

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what it's about is, do you take 
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And do you take playing college,
basketball, seriously, doesn't 

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have to be I you we have this 
proud long-standing tradition of

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thinking that were a superior 
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But the reality is nothing on 
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since, you know, the early 
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So this is to me, just more of 
the same. 

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I don't necessarily agree with 
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you know, the fork in the road. 
Because I don't think you change

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culture overnight. 
I don't think suspending five 

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players is going to make much of
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easier for players at this point
to feel wronged or feel hard 

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done by and, you know, or just 
say, I don't really care. 

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Okay, suspend me big deal. 
I didn't have to play at 

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Northwestern. 
I'm, you know, like until that 

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changes. 
It's hard to Envision things 

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really altering and you know, 
this isn't meant to be, I'm not 

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trying to denigrate any Visual 
player. 

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But, you know, there's there's a
spark of of attitude and and 

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dedication and, you know, an 
unwillingness to allow 

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whatever's happening to 
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just haven't seen with this 
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They play good some nights. 
They play really bad other 

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nights. 
They've kind of gradually 

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devolved here over the last 
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Anyway, in terms of just what 
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you week and we'll talk about 
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But I just think it's a larger 
issue than just whatever 

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happened that led to the 
suspension. 

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And I just don't know if what 
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to make much of a difference 
with this year's team. 

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It's what you say dovetails into
my next thought perfectly 

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because you're talking about 
because I was in a similar boat 

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where I was annoying like, oh my
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Furious. 
I wasn't like worked up and like

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this is an embarrassment and 
like a lot of those things just 

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didn't really hit. 
At me. 

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And the way that I looked at 
like you mentioned again like we

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talked about really excite like 
I was In quite lost it. 

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And then we come back and it's 
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Then we lose Wisconsin and you 
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moments this year, where it 
feels like the I'm using myself 

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as a corollary, but the fan base
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know, like obviously the Purdue 
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there, but then, you know, I was
the game against Michigan and 

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you could feel the energy was 
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Like we didn't extend it over to
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Didn't the fans did the whole 
program didn't and it it got me 

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thinking to your point about 
just kind of like this. 

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Program doesn't have it. 
Like what was really frustrating

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to me about this stretch of the 
Illinois, Northwestern the 

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suspensions is, it's a carryover
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and the Archie Miller era. 
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The Archie Miller era to me is 
going to be remembered as kind 

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of like a start and stop like, 
just a car with a bad clutch 

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where you get a win and then 
like you immediately get a loss 

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and you never and it got me 
thinking. 

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When was the last time we had? 
I'm just picking an arbitrary. 

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Re number 18 or 20 calendar days
where you've been like IU? 

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Basketball is bat like we're 
back on track and we're going 

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use this heat Seasons analogy. 
Like you're getting excited. 

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You lose a Syracuse. 
So Nebraska look lose to 

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Wisconsin. 
That's like Notre Dame like, 

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okay. 
We beat Notre Dame. 

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It's all right, those two games 
were flukes and played really 

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well and then it's like 
literally night 16 days later. 

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You lose the Penn State, you 
know, God that he come back and 

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beat Ohio says, alright, we're 
back. 

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And then literally like seven 
days later lose the Iowa and 

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like Purdue Michigan that you 
have this up and down. 

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Go back, you know Archie Miller 
era is littered with that. 

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Like you go back even to I'm 
just kind of I'm not going to do

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this the whole game but the 
whole podcast like you go back 

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to 2017. 
We lose the Fort Wayne. 

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It's like, oh God, then we beat 
North Carolina at home. 

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We crush them. 
The third in the country. 

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It's like, all right, we're good
to go and then literally, like, 

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you know, 16 days later. 
We lose the butler. 

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It's like, oh, are we bad? 
Like and this has been going on.

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I mean, probably since that 
season were ranked. 

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Number one, even in that season.
I remember like that. 

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We, we took the number one 
ranking. 

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Back, I think after beating 
Michigan, am not having to look 

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at Ken Palm. 
Like we took the number one 

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ranking back and then 
immediately lost at Illinois to 

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some crazy. 
Like if bound play at the last 

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second and it's like, oh man, we
can't even get a run where we 

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get a couple weeks, like you 
look at Purdue this year. 

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This is an example of a team 
where like they lost, you know, 

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to Rutgers when they win four in
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And they lose to Indiana. 
It's like, oh people are 

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starting to get a little nervous
like this team. 

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Have what it takes and like, 
boom, they just had a month now 

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or it's like, we're just 
crushing people, like we'd be 

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I'll we crushed Michigan, we 
crushed Illinois. 

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Like they are in that mode of 
their feeling great and to your 

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point on the culture. 
We just haven't had that for 10 

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years. 
And really, for 20 years. 

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We've had like a one-year 
stretch where it's wild to think

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that we haven't had a 20 day 
calendar, stretch where anybody 

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feels good. 
I'm not talking like feel good. 

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Like we're going to go to the 
final four. 

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Like I'm talking like, I feel 
like we're going to finish fifth

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in the Big Ten and be a seven 
seed in the tournament like just

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feeling like Like that for 20 
days, I haven't had that in 

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seven or eight years. 
So, to your point, that culture 

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isn't there. 
And so yeah, for players, like 

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teams that have that, are teams 
that have cultures, where it's 

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like, hey, we got to go to 
Northwestern, do some work, like

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we got to put together five. 
We got to beat Purdue and then 

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we got to get focused on the 
next game, which is in you'll 72

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hours and that takes team that 
has a culture of doing that. 

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And we just don't have that. 
I mean, fan base doesn't have 

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that. 
Well, I mean, look, I'll just 

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I'll keep it on the team stuff. 
Look. 

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Go back and look at the last 
three years prior to this of IU 

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basketball, you know, it's a 
team that lost it was a 12 of 

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13, between January 6th and 
February 22nd back in 2019 and 

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2020, you know that team loses 
five of six and then three of 

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their last four in January and 
February and early, March lat. 

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What last year's team lost their
last six games and seven of 

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their last eight games. 
And, you know, I, I don't know. 

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What's going to happen with this
year? 

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This you know, they've lost 
their last two games. 

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You got Five Guys, suspended for
a key Road game. 

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This just feels suspended for 
Michigan State, as I know no 

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fraud. 
No, I was talking about the 

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Northwestern game, like the 
file. 

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Okay. 
Sorry. 

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Sorry. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

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I don't know of anybody 
suspended for Michelle. 

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Like it dark for Michigan's that
was kind of like a, we don't 

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know, but I but you know, but I 
guess my point is I'm looking at

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the suspensions is essentially 
just a proxy for the same issue,

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which is, I don't know what it 
is. 

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But this team like gets bored 
with being successful in 

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February and is like it'd be a 
lot more. 

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On if we were just not 
successful and it's like to play

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on Thursday in the Big, Ten 
Tournament. 

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Yeah, let's make sure we're 
playing on Wednesday, but it up 

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on losing. 
So look, there's only so much 

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you can say about all of this 
because you've got a whole 

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section of the fan base, who I 
think, is, is titillated by the 

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idea that who there's discipline
being needed out. 

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And it's like that kind of 
misses the point here. 

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It really does. 
Like, it's there is what appears

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from the outside to be a battle 
going. 

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Going on over how this team is 
going to conduct itself. 

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And ultimately I think the 
coaching staff certainly isn't 

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perfect. 
But I think a coaching staff is 

448
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,700
looking at this and saying 
there's a problem with the 

449
00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:17,000
culture and it's hard to look at
the IU coaching staff and not 

450
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,100
think these people know what 
they're talking about because 

451
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:21,400
it's, you know, it's not just 
Mike Woodson, who's been 

452
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,700
coaching for 30 years. 
And yes, this is his first time 

453
00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:26,100
in college, but it's not like 
it's the first time Woodson's 

454
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:28,200
dealt with young basketball 
players before. 

455
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,900
But you've also got Dana Fife on
staff who What a good culture is

456
00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:34,300
because he's been in one for the
last decade. 

457
00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:37,900
Plus, you've got fad, Mata who 
certainly did a pretty good job 

458
00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:41,200
of building, a winning culture 
at Ohio, State on the, on the 

459
00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:45,500
bench, you know, and I don't, I 
can't speak as much to Hunter 

460
00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:47,900
and Roseman, but I'm sure that 
they're conscious of what a good

461
00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:49,600
culture is supposed to look 
like. 

462
00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:53,300
But it doesn't matter unless the
players care about it and I just

463
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,100
yeah, I just don't. 
I think the players care about 

464
00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:58,700
winning. 
I think they care about the you 

465
00:23:58,708 --> 00:24:02,300
know, the vague. 
Depth of being on a winning team

466
00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:06,400
but what appears to occur with 
the limited information we have 

467
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,400
here is that that doesn't seem 
to carry over into do this and 

468
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,600
do this and do this. 
And, you know, these are the 

469
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,900
rules that we have set within 
the confines of the program, in 

470
00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:22,400
terms of how you're supposed to 
act and unfortunately for IU, 

471
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,600
you know, I mean you would get 
disciplinary actions again, 

472
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,800
taken like, in the night era or 
whatever and It was, it was a 

473
00:24:29,808 --> 00:24:32,700
different era of basketball 
where you could take a guy out 

474
00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:35,800
or take a couple of people out 
for breaking a rule. 

475
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,600
But because you had so much 
success around the program. 

476
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,900
It didn't negatively affect your
recruiting and, you know, you 

477
00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:44,400
still were able to win enough 
games to get to NCAA tournament.

478
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,600
Everybody's able to like learn 
their lesson and do. 

479
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,600
So in a way that still 
contributes to winning 

480
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,000
basketball games. 
I don't think that's the case 

481
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,000
right now because there's, 
there's no, there's no normal to

482
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,500
reset to, like, the normal for 
this, I Team is a death spiral 

483
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:01,900
that lasts the entire last third
of the season. 

484
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,500
And so, you know, it's so that's
sad. 

485
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,900
That's, that's where I'm at with
it. 

486
00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:11,500
Where again. 
I just I hear this and I think, 

487
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:13,400
you know, I know I'm supposed to
get mad and I know I'm supposed 

488
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,000
to get fired Up For What 
Woodson's doing. 

489
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,200
And look I appreciate what the 
coaching staff seems to be 

490
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,300
trying to do here because I 
think anybody that's being 

491
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:22,700
honest with themselves. 
Would look at this. 

492
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:25,800
I you program and say for many 
years stretching back through 

493
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,400
the Miller era into the Korean 
era. 

494
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,300
The culture hasn't been what it 
needs to be to sustain success, 

495
00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:34,700
but that's not just on the 
coaches, that's on the players. 

496
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:39,000
And that's on the players that 
you recruit and IU has not 

497
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,100
recruited the types of players 
over the course of the last 

498
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:46,400
several years that come in, with
that mentality. 

499
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,600
That is like, look, we have a 
job to do and we have a set of 

500
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,200
rules that we need to follow in 
order to be successful. 

501
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:56,900
And, you know, that's again, 
it's not to denigrate individual

502
00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:57,900
players from a talent 
perspective. 

503
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,400
But I do think mentality wise, 
that's the difference between 

504
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,000
winning teams and teams that end
up coming up short. 

505
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,600
And, you know, I mean someone I 
forget I might have been jQuery,

506
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:12,100
you know. 
As the they've been a lot of the

507
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:15,200
indymedia have been 
understandably, praising Purdue 

508
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,700
and look. 
Produce got a lot of good 

509
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:21,400
players, but Purdue has built a 
culture that is enviable because

510
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,100
they do seem to have players 
that are really dedicated, not 

511
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:29,500
just to playing good basketball.
All and winning games but doing 

512
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,800
so in a manner that is 
sustainable and where there's a 

513
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,300
core culture of success. 
And that's ultimately, I think 

514
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:40,000
what people are looking for with
IU basketball, just feels like 

515
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,900
we're a long way away from that 
at this point. 

516
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:47,200
Yeah. 
So anyway with that said, let's 

517
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,300
reset worry Indiana's at with 
everything. 

518
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,400
So they lose the game something 
that's been notable. 

519
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,600
I think over the course of the 
last not just the last two 

520
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,800
games. 
But really, I think you could 

521
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,600
say, you know, four of the last 
five games is Indiana's, offense

522
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:06,000
has. 
Yes, go ahead. 

523
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:09,100
You know, you say we were saying
cuz I okay. 

524
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,400
I think you're just a Indiana's.
Offense is falling off a cliff. 

525
00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:15,700
I don't know if anybody's been 
monitoring this, but Indiana was

526
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:19,800
hovering around somewhere 
between the 65 and 75 Mark in 

527
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,000
can Palm in terms of offensive 
efficiency. 

528
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,600
There are 106 now and that's 
really only about a four game. 

529
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,500
Change Indiana's offense is 
drop-down efficiency wise in 

530
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:32,000
conference play to 12th out of 
14. 

531
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,800
Only Penn State and Nebraska are
worse right now and then 

532
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,300
Actually, Minnesota is better 
than Indiana. 

533
00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:42,900
Maryland who doesn't have a 
functioning coach essentially at

534
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:45,600
this point is better in 
conference play and he had his 

535
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,800
defense has been very good. 
They've certainly doubled down 

536
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,500
on that. 
But you know, whether you've got

537
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:52,700
a full complement of players 
like Indiana did against 

538
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:55,700
Illinois or a nun. 
Full complement of players is 

539
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:59,400
they did against Northwestern. 
The offense is about the same. 

540
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:01,700
It's not efficient. 
They're not hitting shots 

541
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:03,300
particularly. 
Well, they're not getting good 

542
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:09,800
shots and that is As concerning 
to me as anything, perhaps 

543
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,400
borrow the cultural issues that 
Indiana's got. 

544
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:14,900
This is a team that's forgetting
how to score at. 

545
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:16,800
Exactly The Wrong Time of the 
Season. 

546
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,900
That should be a red alert. 
Issue to everybody even above 

547
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:22,100
and beyond all the other items 
that we've talked about so far 

548
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,000
today. 
When I think part of that goes 

549
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,800
into what I have noticed in kind
of been looking at is that, you 

550
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,500
know, you can kind of draw a 
line since. 

551
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:35,400
Trace Jackson Davis had that, 
you know, hip or injury against 

552
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,000
Nebraska. 
He's been a different place 

553
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:41,600
watching him. 
He looks like he's missing a 

554
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,900
step or a spark, and he might 
still be injured. 

555
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:46,300
So, I'm taking this very lightly
and he's still injured. 

556
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,200
You know, I appreciate him 
playing injury. 

557
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,100
I don't want him to play and get
more hurt, but I will say, you 

558
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:52,900
look at the end of the 2021. 
See. 

559
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:55,700
And, you know, he had his, he 
had a couple of games where he 

560
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,500
had a 70 offensive rating 
against Michigan, like an 85 

561
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:01,100
against Purdue 94 gets Michigan 
state competition. 

562
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:03,500
Got better. 
But, you know, he had an 84 

563
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:05,200
against Northwestern and 
February February. 

564
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,400
The he has a history of you, 
kind of run them like a car in 

565
00:29:08,408 --> 00:29:10,800
the red line throughout the 
whole year and then he starts to

566
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:11,900
slow down at the end of the 
year. 

567
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:15,000
And this has been something that
has been talked about in a lot 

568
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,700
of different venues. 
You know, our offense is still 

569
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:19,900
kind of just pump the ball in 
the trace and let's see what 

570
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:21,900
happens. 
And let's use him a lot. 

571
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:25,700
He was getting some Pretty high 
minute loads in the beginning of

572
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:29,000
the year against some teams that
maybe we didn't need to be using

573
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,100
him for. 
And you do wonder where this 

574
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:33,500
lays up and, you know, no 
question. 

575
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,500
He had an offensive rating 
against 76 against Purdue. 

576
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:39,400
We had foul trouble there. 
But I mean, his last two games, 

577
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:43,300
you know, 67 offensive rating. 
It's Illinois, 92 against 

578
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,200
Northwestern, even the game 
against, you know, Penn State 

579
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,200
and Maryland. 
He's not super efficient as he 

580
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,400
normally is. 
You have to wonder if he's 

581
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,300
healthy Or if, if he's been used
too much or the other, you know,

582
00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:00,800
concerning thing too is just, 
you know, is there a limit? 

583
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,900
You know, when he goes up 
against a team, like, Purdue or 

584
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:06,000
Illinois? 
That has another top-level big 

585
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,600
man. 
He has not done well, and so, 

586
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,700
you know, it's one of those 
three things, but none of them 

587
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,900
are good because if he's just, 
if he's a notch below, that's 

588
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:15,500
not good. 
Because our whole offense runs 

589
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:18,300
through him, if we've run him 
too much, the beginning of the 

590
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:19,500
year. 
That's not good. 

591
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,700
Because you can't go back and 
get that time and if he's still 

592
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,200
Injured and just is he's not 
going to get back to the level. 

593
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,400
He was you know pre North 
Nebraska game. 

594
00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:31,600
That's not good because our 
offense does not seem to have a 

595
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,700
real other option outside of him
that other option is Xavier 

596
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:39,600
Johnson, which that's also not 
as efficient as we all want, you

597
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,900
know, just doesn't really have 
that other. 

598
00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:43,900
I mean, race Thompson has been 
steady, but we don't he seems to

599
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:46,700
be more like you just get your 
points in the flow of the game 

600
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:49,200
and and there's nothing that 
gets run for him. 

601
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:56,300
So I look at Tres Jackson Davis 
as kind of He's not, he is it's 

602
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:59,600
not the problem, but everything 
gravitates around that and he's 

603
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,400
not been playing well and that 
causes problems this entire team

604
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,800
because this entire team is 
focused on him, having good 

605
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,400
games. 
Well, I think that the last part

606
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,900
is the big one. 
I would not go so far as to say,

607
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:14,000
he's had bad games. 
Now the last two games he's had 

608
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:16,300
you know that he has. 
I mean the Illinois game was an 

609
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:20,500
obvious exception, but he let me
know in the Northwestern game. 

610
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:22,800
He had the best game of anybody 
on the floor for either team. 

611
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Yeah, and you know, he did that.
Yes. 

612
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,000
I know he missed shots. 
He missed free throws, but he 

613
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:32,500
racked up a double double on the
road playing. 39 minutes with 

614
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:35,400
essentially, nobody to come in 
Off, the Bench, to spell him. 

615
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:38,500
And, but I think what you said 
is exactly correct. 

616
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,300
When your whole offensive 
success pattern is predicated 

617
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:45,800
on. 
Trace Jackson Davis scoring 

618
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:51,000
somewhere between 15 and 25 
points per game and he's not 

619
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,100
able to do that. 
There is no second option on 

620
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:57,600
this team. 
And I, you know, the I point the

621
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,900
finger a lot more at, you know, 
where is the support for tres 

622
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:04,600
Jackson, Davis from other people
on the team and I don't even 

623
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,800
know that it's necessarily a 
matter of blaming the offense. 

624
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:10,600
I mean the And certainly could 
be better in spots. 

625
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,500
But you look around. 
I think race Thompson has done 

626
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:16,100
his best to try to contribute. 
But where is Miller cop? 

627
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,900
You know, I mean Miller cop 
starting in a game at the place 

628
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:26,900
that he transferred from managed
to throw up a 14-7 on the game 

629
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:30,900
with essentially. 
I mean, he rebounded a little 

630
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:34,500
bit but his job is to score 
particularly in a game like you 

631
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:37,800
had on Tuesday where you don't 
have your starting point guard 

632
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,100
who also happens to be. 
Be your second best offensive 

633
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:42,400
player on most nights, and you 
don't have your shooting guard. 

634
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,800
Where's Mueller cop? 
Like where's the shots with? 

635
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:49,200
Like this is what you're there 
for that was cops 16th 

636
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,500
consecutive game in single 
digits. 

637
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,700
That's not a winning formula. 
I mean like and and Parker 

638
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:58,100
Stewart, frankly. 
Let's all remember this next 

639
00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:01,000
this offseason when we talk 
about another Big Ten transfer, 

640
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,800
right, who does but ya know to 
your point. 

641
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,800
I'm not just real quick. 
It's a cop was one from five 

642
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,700
four, three, like if your three 
is not hitting go down. 

643
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,200
Something else, but he was 0 for
2 from the rent, you know, from 

644
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,700
inside three. 
It's like to me, it's like, I'm 

645
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:16,300
fine with him going. 14443 
people can miss shots. 

646
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:19,600
Like, it's people, Miss, open 
shots, but what bugs me is, when

647
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,900
you don't then change, like, why
doesn't he have eight more 

648
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:23,200
attempts inside of each of them 
deck? 

649
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,600
Screw this, I'm gonna go post 
up. 

650
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:27,100
I'm gonna get the ball inside to
get it on, you know, right in 

651
00:33:27,108 --> 00:33:28,600
the free-throw line. 
And I'm going to shoot from 

652
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,600
there, but that didn't happen. 
It's just he kept on taking more

653
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,700
threes and only took two other 
shots. 

654
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:36,000
Yeah. 
I mean, you know, you can, you 

655
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,400
can Levy that criticism against 
Parker Stewart as Well, who has 

656
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,200
been in not particularly 
visible? 

657
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,400
In terms of his offense in a lot
of games. 

658
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,900
He'll pop up for a few 
possessions and then disappear 

659
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,600
and so offensively. 
All right. 

660
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,400
That's as we, and we've talked 
about this on the show before. 

661
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,200
That's a couple of people that 
you really need to be relying on

662
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,500
to not just score their 
starters, but to open up the 

663
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:04,600
floor for tres Jackson, Davis, 
and it just isn't happening and 

664
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,699
I don't buy the idea that it is 
a matter of not. 

665
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,699
In place for those folks. 
I know we have a running debate 

666
00:34:11,699 --> 00:34:15,199
going with are back home, 
partner, Ryan Phillips on this a

667
00:34:15,207 --> 00:34:19,300
little bit, you know, the curl 
actions and things like that to 

668
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:21,100
get those guys open. 
I mean half the time. 

669
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:23,300
They don't look intending. 
They look like they don't intend

670
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:25,400
to shoot once they get the ball 
in the first place. 

671
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,400
So it's as much a mentality 
thing as anything else with this

672
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,199
team, and it's frustrating when 
you watch it, because we've 

673
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,699
watched enough bad offense with 
Indiana basketball over the 

674
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:37,100
course of the last several 
years. 

675
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:38,600
There looked like there was real
hope. 

676
00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:42,500
Hope towards the start of the 
Big Ten season that this IU team

677
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:45,400
had maybe figured out a formula 
that would work in terms of how 

678
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,400
they were going to play offense.
And unfortunately, what we've 

679
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,600
seen from this team for the most
part over these last few weeks 

680
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,400
is that they're kind of going 
the opposite direction. 

681
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:56,100
It's hard to give them a huge 
amount of credit for the good 

682
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:58,900
offensive games that they did 
have because they came against 

683
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:02,800
Penn State and Maryland. 
Neither of whom are teams that 

684
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,100
are doing, particularly great 
things, you know, on the season.

685
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:08,600
I mean, Penn State's been okay 
on defense. 

686
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,800
But Maryland certainly has not. 
It's like, yes, of course, 

687
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,000
you're going to look good on 
offense. 

688
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,600
It guns those teams. 
But when you you play the 

689
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,800
Illinois's or you're playing a 
team like, you know Northwestern

690
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,600
who's definitely shown some 
spark here lately. 

691
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:26,200
It's it's just not sufficient 
and there doesn't seem to be a 

692
00:35:26,207 --> 00:35:29,300
secondary answer. 
You know, I don't know that it's

693
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:32,200
a foregone conclusion that if 
Indiana had had the five players

694
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,900
that were suspended from 
Northwestern that they would 

695
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:37,300
have wanted anyway, because 
frankly even though fatigue was 

696
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:41,000
clearly a factor in the In half 
for the Hoosiers, the offense 

697
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,700
has been perfectly capable of 
junking itself up with everybody

698
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,900
available in on the floor in 
some previous games. 

699
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:52,400
So, you know, it's important not
to overreact. 

700
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,700
But I also think it's important 
to look at the team and say 

701
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,100
look, they're not going to 
survive into the tournament. 

702
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,400
Living off of Defense. 
Defense is great. 

703
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,600
You have to have defense has a 
beginning point, but you're not 

704
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,600
going to win enough games to get
into the tournament. 

705
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,000
Unless you can also score the 
basketball consistently. 

706
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,600
And if you're going to put all 
of that weight on Trace Jackson,

707
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,200
Davis Trace Jackson. 
Davis is not going to be able to

708
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,900
carry that weight by himself. 
He's not that kind of player and

709
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:25,600
whether it's the injury that he 
suffered, that still creating 

710
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,200
issues for him or whether it's 
simply a matter of. 

711
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,900
When you stick your entire 
defense in the post and are 

712
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:32,800
like, well, we're just going to 
guard Trace Jackson, Davis 

713
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,900
really hard and you're gonna 
have to find another way to win.

714
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,100
Indiana hasn't shown that they 
can find another way to win 

715
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,500
consistently. 
This point. 

716
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:42,600
And so I worry about that 
because it's not like the 

717
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,000
schedule getting any, is getting
any easier. 

718
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,200
As they move forward. 
Indiana's, only played the 12th 

719
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,800
toughest schedule in the 
conference up to this point. 

720
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,200
And they've really if you look 
at their schedule moving 

721
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,600
forward, they've they've got 
three games that you would 

722
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,100
think. 
Oh, well, they should win given 

723
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:01,900
their relative rankings and Ken 
Palm which would get them to 10 

724
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:06,900
wins in conference. 
But that is if they lose all the

725
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:09,800
other games which they very well
could Good, that's a lot of 

726
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:15,300
losing down the stretch and that
does worry me both in terms of 

727
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:19,100
the mentality of the team 
heading into March, and also 

728
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:21,500
just the overall momentum. 
That seem to be building with 

729
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:24,000
the program. 
You hope that they were going to

730
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,400
be able to push through this and
finish the season strong. 

731
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:28,200
It sure. 
Kind of looks like they could 

732
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,400
end up going the opposite 
direction at this point. 

733
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,300
Well, into your point, you know,
looking ahead on the Ken Palm 

734
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:36,600
stuff. 
Like let's just, you know, play 

735
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,700
a little bit of speculation, but
it's very possible. 

736
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:40,400
They could lose the next three 
games. 

737
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,500
I mean, at Michigan, state is a 
very tough game, Wisconsin. 

738
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:46,900
And home is a tough. 
Hope game and then at Ohio State

739
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:50,200
is a very tough road game and 
then yes, it looks like. 

740
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,200
All right, you have Maryland, 
Minnesota and Rutgers after that

741
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,300
but we, you know, you can look 
at Ken Palm deco case. 

742
00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:58,200
We lose three win three. 
And that's how we get to ten 

743
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,300
wins. 
But the history has shown us 

744
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:03,700
something different to your 
point on the culture of this 

745
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:07,100
team, the history and culture of
this team is that when things 

746
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:10,500
start to slide we don't Have the
E brake to stop things, like, 

747
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:14,500
when things start to slide, they
slide and we've seen a history. 

748
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,000
Were three game losing streak. 
Suddenly turn into four game, 

749
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,300
losing streaks, and games. 
You like. 

750
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:19,800
Oh shit. 
We just lost a, you know, 

751
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,100
Minnesota, like it's just all of
a sudden, you know, a three-game

752
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:25,100
losing streak turns into a 
six-game losing streak and 

753
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:26,800
that's been the history of this 
team. 

754
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,300
The last seven, eight years and 
that's been to your point, the 

755
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:31,800
death spiral and that's what 
scares me. 

756
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,200
This is, this is a situation 
where you have a team where we 

757
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,700
don't know how these players are
going to react to these. 

758
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,100
Is they going to come back 
harder? 

759
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:43,000
They just came back and, you 
know, and then how are they 

760
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000
going to react after coming back
and then getting their teeth 

761
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,900
kicked in to out of the next 
three games and it's like that's

762
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:51,600
going to suck it. 
Like that's what really worries 

763
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,500
me is. 
Yes. 

764
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:55,600
Theoretically, we should win, 
Maryland Minnesota, Rutgers that

765
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,600
gets us to 10 wins that gets us 
to 10 and 10 and we're still in 

766
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,100
a good spot. 
But, you know, I'm nervous. 

767
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:06,900
How you get there after losing 
three in a row and now you've 

768
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:11,500
basically, you get 2 Feb. 24th 
and you've had a month since 

769
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:15,000
your last win, you've had three 
or four weeks since you've had a

770
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,300
win. 
In that time, people has been 

771
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:21,200
suspended, feelings have been 
hurt, people are pissed. 

772
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,600
Hopefully, they brought those 
fractures back, but that's a lot

773
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,500
to put on a game against 
Maryland. 

774
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:29,200
Like, you're just, you're 
putting all of that. 

775
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,900
And then now it's like those are
those are must-win games because

776
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:36,100
by the way, I'm not, you know, 
I'm a big look ahead guy, but I 

777
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:40,300
will say this Saturday March 
Fifth, you're going to lose. 

778
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,400
I love I you I want I you to win
all games. 

779
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,200
You're not winning that game at 
Purdue like this. 

780
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,800
That game is not a victory. 
So like you have a loss, a tough

781
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,500
loss coming up at the end of the
season. 

782
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:53,500
So you got six games. 
You got to win three. 

783
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:57,500
I mean, I wouldn't write any 
game off at this point. 

784
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,700
We've seen stranger things 
happen in some of these. 

785
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:01,600
I don't know. 
Just look, here's the thing. 

786
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:05,200
All right, the the, we just 
watched Wisconsin, win at 

787
00:40:05,207 --> 00:40:08,000
Michigan State. 
We, you know, we we've watched 

788
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,100
We watched Ohio State lose to 
Rutgers after leading the whole 

789
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:16,600
game last night. 
I mean, there's, I don't think 

790
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,000
any game is off the table for 
this Indiana team. 

791
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,100
And look, I think this Indiana 
team if they're, if they're 

792
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:24,300
properly motivated and they're 
playing at maximum potential can

793
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:28,700
actually beat anybody in the Big
Ten on anybody's for the larger 

794
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:31,800
question for me is something you
said earlier, which is what is 

795
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,600
the overall reaction and how do 
the players decide that they're 

796
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,100
going to finish out the season 
because Ultimately, and this is 

797
00:40:41,107 --> 00:40:45,200
where the, you know, the new 
realities of college basketball 

798
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,400
enter into play. 
You could simply say, as a 

799
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,500
player. 
Well, look, I'm just going to 

800
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:51,800
finish out the season. 
Try to get the best statistics 

801
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:52,900
that I can. 
And then I'm going to go 

802
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:55,800
transfer somewhere else which 
everybody's got a right to do 

803
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,300
that. 
But that's where ultimately the 

804
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:01,500
culture conversation comes back 
into play, right of no culture 

805
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:03,400
and caring about the 
universities. 

806
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,300
Like I'm I'll get mine. 
Yeah, you know, so we'll see and

807
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:10,500
I look i-i'm not. 
Not putting any expectations on 

808
00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:14,500
the team one way or the other. 
I hope they come out strong and 

809
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:16,900
and play well, in these next 
couple of games because we know 

810
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,300
that they can. 
It's just a question of whether 

811
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:23,500
they will, and this is going to 
be an interesting challenge for 

812
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:27,400
the coaching staff and Woodson 
in particular because he's on 

813
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,100
the one hand. 
He's managed to establish 

814
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:31,300
himself as the guy that's 
looking out for the players on 

815
00:41:31,308 --> 00:41:32,900
the other hand. 
He's also trying to establish 

816
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:36,300
himself as the guy who is 
policing the culture. 

817
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:38,600
That's a very difficult spot to 
have put oneself. 

818
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,300
And and it it can blow up on you
if you're not careful. 

819
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,200
So, we'll see what happens. 
I'm really curious more than 

820
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:51,400
anything else at this point, but
I got to say, This is where my 

821
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,900
level of emotional investment 
and IU basketball every year, 

822
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:58,200
has kind of taken a nosedive 
because ultimately, and look at,

823
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,800
and again, I'm just a guy here 
watching the games. 

824
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,200
I'm not, I'm not here to make 
moral pronouncements on players,

825
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,800
which I know that's, that's red 
meat. 

826
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,600
For a lot of the IU fan base. 
That's, that's what a lot of 

827
00:42:09,607 --> 00:42:13,400
them live for. 
I people make mistakes. 

828
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,200
It's fine. 
Ultimately, the product on the 

829
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,800
court, is the ultimate Arbiter 
of what's going on. 

830
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:23,000
The program. 
And that's where I'm the most 

831
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,700
curious to see what the 
reactions are and how they 

832
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:28,900
handle these things. 
And that's going to be what we 

833
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:30,200
watch. 
The next couple of games. 

834
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,600
As far as the rest of the season
is concerned, Scott. 

835
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,400
Look, I mean, everybody's got 
their own sets of problems 

836
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,400
within this conference and 
Indiana, certainly blew a game 

837
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,600
that would have been very nice 
to have but realistically they 

838
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,600
are still there. 
Close to the top half of the 

839
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,700
conference. 
It's hard to get a real good 

840
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:49,400
bead on. 
What? 

841
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,300
Exactly The Indiana needs to do 
moving forward because there's 

842
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:55,800
so many teams that have to make 
up games and you are playing 

843
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,000
games at odd times. 
So, you know, at this point it's

844
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,300
it's a situation where Indiana's
got three very tough games in 

845
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:07,800
the next three at Michigan 
state, Wisconsin at home at Ohio

846
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,300
State. 
And I don't know that any of 

847
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:13,900
those are must win, but if 
Indiana wins any of those games,

848
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:17,000
it to some degree, just 
basically cancels out the loss 

849
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,100
that they they sell phone at 
Northwestern. 

850
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,800
And I think that it is a 
realistic possibility that they 

851
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,200
could win one or multiple of 
those games. 

852
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,600
So I'm not tempted at this point
to jump off the ledge and say 

853
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,400
well the seasons over or you 
know, God they got to get the 

854
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,600
other three wins because they 
certainly aren't going to get 

855
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,600
these next three. 
I will say this. 

856
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:42,000
I think that lineup wise I don't
know what this, I you team 

857
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,900
really does moving forward, any 
different. 

858
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:47,200
I know a lot of people. 
Yeah, we've been getting a lot 

859
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,000
of calls for start tray Galloway
and you know, why is, you know, 

860
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,000
put Galloway in for cop. 
I mean to be fair Woodson did 

861
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,000
change the starting lineup 
against Northwest, he did that's

862
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,800
true even nobody nobody can say 
that he didn't change the 

863
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,500
starting lineup, you know, but 
as we as we dive into the the 

864
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:09,200
lineup argument philosophically,
yes Miller cops shouldn't be 

865
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,500
starting he's not Contributing 
nearly enough on offense and he 

866
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:15,900
hasn't particularly in 
contributing on defense either. 

867
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:19,600
The problem is, if you talk 
about straight line UPS here, 

868
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,000
over the course of the next 
several games. 

869
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,600
You still don't have Rob fantasy
like Rod fantasy is still not, I

870
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,400
don't know if I'm finishing, a 
play again this year. 

871
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,800
I mean, it's possible that he 
could but it didn't sound from 

872
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,600
Woodson's last press conference.
Like he was particularly close 

873
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,400
and Christian Lander has not 
shown an ability to stay on the 

874
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,200
floor. 
Still. 

875
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,800
I mean the the sample size 
minutes Wise from him. 

876
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:42,900
Is it? 
I mean, it's just it's not 

877
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:44,700
great. 
He's still turning the ball over

878
00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:47,100
on 40% of the possessions that 
he uses. 

879
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:50,900
I mean, it's just it's a 
disaster when he's on the floor 

880
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:53,400
generally and he, you know, when
he's done good things, it's been

881
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,800
back followed up by doing things
that are detrimental. 

882
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,800
He's so if you have to hold on, 
Russell Big, Ten player, so 

883
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,600
yeah, so if, if you're not, if 
you can't effectively play land 

884
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,300
or minutes, how do you start who
you know Galloway? 

885
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:09,800
Who's essentially your second 
point guard? 

886
00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:14,000
When those guys have to come out
who comes in, this is this is 

887
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,400
where I really do by the idea 
that you'd rather have a 

888
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,800
stronger line up a little later 
in the game. 

889
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:23,900
You'd rather get you're going to
get 30 minutes out of trade 

890
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:25,800
Galloway. 
I'd rather use those 30 minutes 

891
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,300
in the last 35 minutes of the 
game as opposed to the first 35 

892
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:33,400
minutes of the game. 
These guys are not robots and 

893
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:39,300
you can't just throw people out 
there who are, you know, 

894
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:41,300
complete mismatch. 
Actress for what you need to do 

895
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:43,800
on the floor. 
The offense is bad enough as it 

896
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,400
is. 
I don't know that maybe it gets 

897
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,000
better for small stretches, but 
then it gets worse for different

898
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,900
stretches than it's been up to 
this point. 

899
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:56,000
So, it certainly, you know, I 
think the idea of who Indiana is

900
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,900
going to have on the floor, is 
one that people have talked 

901
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:01,600
about quite a bit, but I also 
haven't seen anything in terms 

902
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,200
of where the lineups at right 
now without Rob that would make 

903
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,400
me think that you could afford 
to essentially start to point 

904
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,100
guards and then have nobody. 
That is channel in Big Ten play 

905
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:13,500
being able to come off the bench
and play that position. 

906
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,200
Yeah, I agree with you. 
It's similar to what we what I 

907
00:46:17,207 --> 00:46:20,800
said last time like it you could
bring Galloway up but it kills 

908
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,600
your second unit. 
I have a question for you. 

909
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:26,800
Just a large picture question, 
you know, we in our preview 

910
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,900
podcast with somebody call. 
I've been thinking about this. 

911
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:31,700
One of the things we asked 
everyone to go around and do was

912
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:33,500
make a bold prediction for the 
year. 

913
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,800
And I probably as I always do 
cheat these things a little bit 

914
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,300
ever. 
You know, I think yours is like 

915
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:40,200
Indians can be a double by in 
the Big Ten Tournament 

916
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,300
everybody. 
I didn't say that. 

917
00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:44,400
Yes action. 
I remember mine was we're going 

918
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,300
to make the NCAA tournament. 
Everybody's like, that's not 

919
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:49,200
bow. 
Like what like and to be fair. 

920
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,500
It wasn't bold. 
But I sit here now being like, I

921
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:56,600
stand by my bold prediction, but
and I don't mean to shout out 

922
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,800
Ryan Phillips again, our friend,
but he's been on this train. 

923
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,200
I'm going to use him as kind of 
a corollary for a lot of people 

924
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,600
who were there. 
Shout out to Ryan at hashtag or 

925
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,100
at rumors rants. 
He's been saying Indiana has to 

926
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:10,500
make the NCAA tournament this 
year. 

927
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:14,800
That's been kind of his corner. 
I'm curious your thoughts on 

928
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,800
that were I sit? 
I'll just really quickly give 

929
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,300
you my take is I don't think 
there's a hard-line the saying 

930
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:21,700
to me. 
It's a little more. 

931
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,100
I just need to see this team 
play hard. 

932
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:27,500
And by the way, they can play 
hard the next three games and 

933
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:30,900
lose because those are all, you 
know, at Michigan State. 

934
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:33,200
It's not like we have a long 
history of winning it in East 

935
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,100
Lansing. 
They can play hard and lose the 

936
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:37,900
next three games and I can feel 
okay. 

937
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:41,400
Like I what I don't want to see 
is this team kind of check out 

938
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,800
and go into the deaths. 
Viral. 

939
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,700
Like, I don't want that. 
I feel like this team can play 

940
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:48,400
hard. 
Not make the NCAA tournament. 

941
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,700
I don't think it's the end of 
the world for recruiting. 

942
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:52,600
Like, all the pieces are not 
going to fall down. 

943
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,500
I think making the NIT would be 
very nice thing to do at least 

944
00:47:56,500 --> 00:48:00,700
as a minor piece, but I'm I'm 
not so much in the they have to 

945
00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:02,300
make the NCAA tournament this 
year. 

946
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:05,900
I think, I think you can get by 
this year with look they played 

947
00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:07,300
really hard to finish the 
stretch. 

948
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:10,500
It was a tough schedule. 
You can do some some some kind 

949
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:12,400
of messing around with things 
there. 

950
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:14,800
But I'm curious your thoughts on
that. 

951
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,300
It would be a real 
embarrassment. 

952
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:20,500
If this team didn't make the 
NCAA tournament now, would it 

953
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:23,300
have a outsized effect on 
recruiting? 

954
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,700
I met not in this upcoming 
class. 

955
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:29,700
But look, I think you have to 
show some progress and you have 

956
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:33,200
to show some momentum to Future 
players. 

957
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,300
You have to be able to not just 
sell them on the vision. 

958
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:40,500
You have to sell them on, 
something they can see and if 

959
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:44,700
they say if what they're seeing 
is a Another year a, what a 

960
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:47,900
sixth straight year of not 
making the NCAA tournament. 

961
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:52,600
How do you really distinguish 
yourself from say, Penn State or

962
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,700
Minnesota on the recruiting 
Trail? 

963
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,200
Fair Point Fair Point, you know,
so look, I mean from a fan base 

964
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,800
perspective. 
I think the fans are going to be

965
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:05,300
patient, you know, because I 
think ultimately they more 

966
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:08,700
people than not believe in the 
direction of the program at the 

967
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,100
certainly, there's people that 
have questions still and maybe 

968
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:15,200
that's realistic. 
From a functional managerial 

969
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,100
perspective. 
I think this team probably does 

970
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:20,400
need to get to the NCAA 
tournament because it's it is a 

971
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,700
matter of saying well, we made 
some progress this year. 

972
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:26,500
Imagine how much we're going to 
make next year and then that's 

973
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:28,000
what you're going to come into 
as a player. 

974
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,100
And ultimately that's what 
matters free for any basketball 

975
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:32,600
team. 
How do you get? 

976
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,800
Good players better players than
you currently have players with 

977
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:38,700
both skill and winning 
mentality. 

978
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,800
How do you get those players to 
come and play for your 

979
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,900
basketball? 
Program. 

980
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:45,100
And I don't think you do that by
saying, well, you know, we 

981
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:46,800
tried, but we ended up in the 
NIT. 

982
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,300
So I do actually disagree with 
you here a little bit. 

983
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:53,000
I think this is something that I
knew needs to do. 

984
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,100
Anyway, before we wrap up, we 
wanted to hit some numbers for 

985
00:49:56,100 --> 00:50:00,600
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1000
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So Indiana right now, believe it
or not, didn't really get hurt 

1001
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:55,000
that much by that Northwestern 
game in terms of its overall 

1002
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,400
profile. 
It would have been a nice 

1003
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,500
booster to have gotten that 
game. 

1004
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:02,700
But realistically speaking, 
Indiana, barely dropped in the 

1005
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:04,400
net. 
Ranking, their 35th. 

1006
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,300
That's the official NCAA metric 
that they use to compare 

1007
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:12,300
resumes, Indiana 2 and 5 on the 
road, they do. 

1008
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:15,900
A third win away from home. 
That was that neutral Court win 

1009
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:18,400
against Notre Dame, which 
between you and me is looking a 

1010
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,900
little bit better. 
These days that Notre Dame team 

1011
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:25,300
is weirdly enough leading the 
ACC. 

1012
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:30,100
They're 10 and 3 in conference. 
So far other numbers of note for

1013
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:35,900
Indiana for Quad 1, plus quad 2 
wins 2 quad one wins 2. 

1014
00:51:35,900 --> 00:51:39,600
Quad 2 wins, that doesn't sound 
like a whole lot, but it's in 

1015
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,300
line with a lot of other teams 
that are going to be vying. 

1016
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,200
Four at-large births 
potentially, in the NCAA 

1017
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,600
tournament by comparison, you 
know, you look at a team like 

1018
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,300
Loyola Chicago who certainly 
right in the thick of the the 89

1019
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:55,500
seed range. 
They've got four wins again 

1020
00:51:55,500 --> 00:52:00,500
Squad 1 quad to competition, 
Indiana certainly trailing a few

1021
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:04,500
other programs in terms of being
competitive in those areas, but 

1022
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:07,400
not by a tremendous. 
Margin, Ohio State's got six of 

1023
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,700
those wins. 
Iowa has got three or four of 

1024
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:14,100
those wins overall and so on. 
So forth, so still time for 

1025
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:17,800
Indiana to pick up some 
victories and, you know, thirty 

1026
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,700
four, Thirty fifth isn't great, 
but that will certainly get you 

1027
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:23,700
an at large bid, Indiana looking
forward. 

1028
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:28,300
I still think if they get to 
1920 wins in the regular season 

1029
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:32,400
and then can add a win or two in
the Big Ten Tournament is going 

1030
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,800
to be fine. 
You know, I think the dreams of 

1031
00:52:34,808 --> 00:52:38,600
a six seed or something along 
those lines are pretty much gone

1032
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,300
unless they really make some hay
here over the next couple of 

1033
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:42,700
weeks. 
Weeks. 

1034
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:46,200
But I still think that a seating
in the eight nine, ten range 

1035
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,400
Navy down as far as 11. 
Well, within the prospects of 

1036
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,200
what this Indiana team can do. 
So, a lot of it really is going 

1037
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,100
to come down to how they play 
against these teams. 

1038
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:59,600
That at least from a statistical
perspective, aren't viewed as 

1039
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:04,000
being that far superior to them.
And and you look over these next

1040
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,700
three games, Michigan State 
right now. 26 then Ken Palm 

1041
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:09,000
Indiana's 30. 
What? 

1042
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,300
39th right now in Candy, Pop, 
Wisconsin? 

1043
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,300
23rd and can Palm Ohio State 
21st in Kent Farm, those are all

1044
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:19,000
teams within Striking Distance 
of where Indiana is at right. 

1045
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,800
Now. 
You win games against those 

1046
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,500
teams, you're going to be viewed
pretty positively, by the power 

1047
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:26,200
rankings. 
And then that's going to feed 

1048
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,300
over into how the NCAA 
tournament selection committee 

1049
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:32,400
feels feels about you. 
What's interesting to me is, you

1050
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,400
know, in some of the other power
metrics Indiana is actually 

1051
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,400
faring pretty well. 
They're still 16th and torvik, 

1052
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:42,700
largely because their defense 
has been so good and that That 

1053
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:45,300
is going to be an interesting 
thing to watch. 

1054
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:48,800
As we move forward, Indiana 
still favored in the power 

1055
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,600
rankings in four of their 
remaining seven games including 

1056
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:56,900
that home game versus Wisconsin.
And so, if you can win the four 

1057
00:53:56,900 --> 00:54:00,600
games that you're favored, for 
than Indiana finds themselves 11

1058
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,300
and 9 in conference, which will 
put them in great shape as far 

1059
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:05,100
as the NCAA tournaments 
concerned. 

1060
00:54:05,100 --> 00:54:08,900
So a lot of stuff writing 
obviously on these last seven 

1061
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:11,600
games, but that's really no 
different than any other season 

1062
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,400
Scott. 
You finds itself in a very 

1063
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,300
similar spot to where it's been 
the last few years except I 

1064
00:54:16,308 --> 00:54:20,700
would argue in better shape 
overall than they were in any of

1065
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:23,700
those Seasons. 
What they do with it. 

1066
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:25,800
The rest of the way is, 
certainly an open question, but 

1067
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,000
they've at least set themselves 
up to where they can do some 

1068
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,900
things and put themselves in a 
position to get into the 

1069
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:33,900
tournament, just to some degree 
by Treading Water, the rest of 

1070
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:37,000
the way. 
One of the best things about 

1071
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,900
this podcast and my time with 
you over our friendship has 

1072
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:45,200
been, you're helping me 
understand the NCAA bracket and 

1073
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:50,000
the Matrix and the rankings more
and I was I always understood it

1074
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,700
a little bit you understand it 
way more but I was never on this

1075
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:56,700
side of it, but it is funny. 
I'll see people after are lost 

1076
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:59,400
in Northwestern even a couple of
random friends like, oh well, 

1077
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,100
Indiana in the NIT. 
Now if you're not making the 

1078
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:04,100
tournament, it's like that's I 
feel like I'm sounding like you 

1079
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:05,300
now, like that's not how this 
works. 

1080
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:08,000
Looks like it's just it is it is
funny. 

1081
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,600
How how naive? 
I don't know. 

1082
00:55:10,607 --> 00:55:12,400
He's not the right way about how
some people just don't fully 

1083
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,800
understand it and I was 
partially in that camp years 

1084
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,600
ago, but it's like, yeah, we're 
gonna even if we lose our next 

1085
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,100
two games, we're still going to 
be in the tournament. 

1086
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:22,200
Like we're still going to be 
seated there and part of its 

1087
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,400
base of just the way that the 
tournament looks at things. 

1088
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,600
But also it's like look at the 
team's you're like, look at go. 

1089
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,800
Look at Stanford. 
There there there on the bubble.

1090
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,800
I think we're going to stay 
ahead of them. 

1091
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,000
It's like you don't need to be 
the fastest person, you have to 

1092
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:35,900
not be. 
The slowest. 

1093
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:38,100
If you don't wanna get eaten by 
the bear, like some of, it 

1094
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:41,500
depends on what the bubble looks
like, but it is just been funny 

1095
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:44,500
seeing people. 
And part of this is due to the 

1096
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:46,300
fact that I think for Indiana 
fans. 

1097
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:50,100
We haven't dealt with being 
looking at bracket Matrix stuff 

1098
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:51,800
for years. 
So we're not used to it. 

1099
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,400
It's like oh, yeah that there's 
ways this work. 

1100
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,600
It's not just like, oh, you beat
Purdue like we're in. 

1101
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,300
We're a to see. 
It's like doesn't work that way.

1102
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,700
Like, you lose Northwest like, 
oh, we're out like, doesn't work

1103
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:01,400
that way. 
Either. 

1104
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,700
What? 
I don't want to get back to is I

1105
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:07,600
often joke that That that year 
with Archie. 

1106
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,300
We were on like the NIT bubble. 
That felt very dirty. 

1107
00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:13,600
Like I almost felt like I was in
the dark web like going on the 

1108
00:56:13,607 --> 00:56:17,100
Silk Road like looking for nit, 
Bracketology sites. 

1109
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:19,600
Like that's where I started 
feeling really dirty in the web 

1110
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,600
like this. 
There's not a lot of nit 

1111
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,800
Bracketology sites. 
I don't want to get down there. 

1112
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,800
But yeah. 
No, I agree with all you said 

1113
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,600
and I would say if you haven't 
been there, the bracket Matrix 

1114
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,800
is like easily one of my 
favorite websites, this time of 

1115
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,100
year. 
Just go look at that. 

1116
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:36,100
Look at all those but just have 
fun looking at the Teams below 

1117
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:39,500
Indiana, some of those teams on 
the bubble and that'll make you 

1118
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:41,300
feel better over these next two 
weeks. 

1119
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:44,400
And we might lose a couple more 
games that, you know, we still 

1120
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,100
have that pedigree. 
We still have, you know, what it

1121
00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:51,000
takes to get there and like, 
everything you said is valve. 

1122
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,500
Yeah. 
I mean, it's just funny. 

1123
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:54,200
People are like, Oh north, North
Western lost. 

1124
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,000
Like, you're in the NIT. 
It's like, doesn't doesn't work 

1125
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,100
that way. 
So this is a, it's a place that 

1126
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:01,300
Indiana has not been in a while.
We are securely in the field 

1127
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:04,500
right now, but there's still 
things we have to do to keep 

1128
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:05,300
that going. 
We lose. 

1129
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,000
It's in a row in that does 
change. 

1130
00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:09,100
Yeah. 
No, I mean, look, you have to 

1131
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:10,900
win games. 
Like, you can't finish the 

1132
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:14,400
season 7 7 and 13 or something 
like that in the conference. 

1133
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:19,900
Like they got to win games, but 
you look people, Nothing creates

1134
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:24,400
over reaction more than I you 
losing and people loudly 

1135
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,500
declaring that they're going to 
lose every other game in the 

1136
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:30,200
conference because they lost 
this one and it's just not how 

1137
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,200
it works. 
It just isn't, I mean, go back 

1138
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,700
and look at previous Seasons. 
It just it's It doesn't work 

1139
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:39,400
that way, and I'm not taking go 
back and looking for reasons for

1140
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,800
why you like, look at other 
teams that make the NCAA 

1141
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,300
tournament and they don't all 
finish on 10-game winning 

1142
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:47,100
streaks. 
You know, there's, it's a, it's,

1143
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:50,700
it is meant to be a metric for 
the whole season and how you did

1144
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:52,900
and there's a lot of things that
you would have liked to have 

1145
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:54,900
seen. 
I you done doing better in this 

1146
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:57,100
season, but the reality is, 
they've done enough. 

1147
00:57:57,100 --> 00:58:00,200
At this point to still be 
solidly in the field despite 

1148
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,300
losing at Northwestern. 
Which by the way, is not a bad 

1149
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:06,400
loss. 
It's Literally a bad loss. 

1150
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,500
But according to the computers 
who don't care about what 

1151
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:12,700
happened in the 1980s. 
It's a perfectly fine loss. 

1152
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:16,000
It's an understandable loss. 
So that's where I just think 

1153
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,500
people need to chill a little 
bit on things. 

1154
00:58:17,500 --> 00:58:20,600
Anyway, we're going to wrap up 
as we're almost to the hour, 

1155
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,000
mark, any final thoughts before 
we finish things off. 

1156
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,100
Scott. 
No, I think we've hit everything

1157
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,500
we're gonna hit today, but, no, 
well good. 

1158
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:31,200
I don't have anything either. 
So, we'll finish up and we'll 

1159
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,300
see the Hoosiers again in 
action. 

1160
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:35,200
This coming weekend. 
Fortunately, not a Super Bowl. 

1161
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:39,200
And a game, I actually kind of 
hate those but we do see them on

1162
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,800
National Television on Saturday 
on Fox at 3:30 p.m. 

1163
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,100
As they travel to East, Lansing 
to take on a Michigan State 

1164
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:48,900
team. 
That is not exactly having a 

1165
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:53,100
textbook season themselves. 
A team that is has lost to 

1166
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:57,000
Rutgers by 20 and just lost at 
home by 8:00 to Wisconsin. 

1167
00:58:57,300 --> 00:58:59,100
Also lost at home to 
Northwestern. 

1168
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:00,400
God. 
Imagine how that would have been

1169
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,500
perceived and honestly Michigan 
State. 

1170
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:05,100
If you really look at their 
resume. 

1171
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,600
Is it particularly impressive? 
They have a win at Wisconsin? 

1172
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:11,600
They have a win on a neutral 
court against a Connecticut 

1173
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,300
team. 
That's pretty schizophrenic, and

1174
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:16,800
a whole bunch of slop beyond 
that. 

1175
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,000
They actually look a lot like 
Indiana in many ways, except 

1176
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,900
they're much better on offense. 
And so the Hoosiers with the not

1177
00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:27,400
insurmountable task coming up 
this weekend, one that I would 

1178
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,400
still expect them, probably to 
lose but that there's no reason 

1179
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,500
why they shouldn't be at least 
competitive in that game. 

1180
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,200
So we'll keep an eye on that and
see what happens. 

1181
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:38,600
And we'll be back, probably 
early next week to talk with you

1182
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,500
once again about Indiana 
basketball. 

1183
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,700
And we'll talk a little IU 
football as well. 

1184
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:46,800
Perhaps, if there's some news 
there there, there was a little 

1185
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,000
bit of news, but we're going to 
save that for the next podcast 

1186
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,200
because everybody's overreacting
to it. 

1187
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:53,300
Shockingly. 
Who knew that we might have our 

1188
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:55,100
reactions in the IU fanbase. 
Oh, thanks. 

1189
00:59:55,100 --> 00:59:57,400
Anyway, thanks. 
All you folks for listening. 

1190
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,800
We enjoy talking to you as 
always hopefully you enjoy 

1191
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,900
listening for Scott. 
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1192
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:05,200
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1193
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:07,200
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1194
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,200
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1195
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,200
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