1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,400 Salami hit the record button. Looks like it's working. 2 00:00:02,500 --> 00:00:08,500 Okay, so we're going to start in five four, three. 3 00:00:18,900 --> 00:00:22,300 You're listening to the back home network, presented by home 4 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:28,700 field apparel, you're also missing the Crimson cast what 5 00:00:28,700 --> 00:00:31,900 happened to the theme music, you might be asking, well, there's a 6 00:00:31,900 --> 00:00:33,900 tail there, which we won't tell right now. 7 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:36,000 This is what happens when Scott, and I get together live. 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,400 Yes, in person, she doesn't happen that often, but we're in 9 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,300 a different Studio. This is actually the TV's. 10 00:00:41,300 --> 00:00:43,400 We did you just Longer records into? 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,500 Yeah, sounds like the sounds like like a Night Court. 12 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:48,100 Outtake says it. It's like this. 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,700 It's like a, you know, the 8:30 p.m. 14 00:00:50,700 --> 00:00:55,100 Thursday NBC, sitcom sometimes very special night core, right? 15 00:00:55,100 --> 00:00:59,300 Yes. George Clooney is a guest, you 16 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:01,700 know, this is pretty, ER Fame. Anyway, it's good to see you 17 00:01:01,700 --> 00:01:04,500 guys first. We were talking to me, sorry 18 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:05,200 fans. All right. 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,900 Good to see the fans. Good to see. 20 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:08,800 I'm not seeing the fans. I am seeing you. 21 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,100 It's good to see you. How are you doing? 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,200 I'm doing fantastic. Mastic great, we're doing this 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,700 in the media school. This place is awesome. 24 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:18,300 I just tell me, I wish I was a student again to be able to go 25 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:20,500 to school here and do Medias. This is fantastic. 26 00:01:20,500 --> 00:01:22,600 We're in the podcast studio. So we're still learning Mike's. 27 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,100 You got sounds, it's going to be great. 28 00:01:24,100 --> 00:01:28,500 Yeah, there's so we've got a new board here and it's delightful. 29 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:31,100 But it is like piloting, a spaceship. 30 00:01:31,900 --> 00:01:34,400 Having not been in a spaceship before, right? 31 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,500 I've, it's, like, I've flown V2. I like having a kid in the car 32 00:01:37,500 --> 00:01:38,400 seat, right? Is that? 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,300 What's that? What's that? 34 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:44,600 Exactly. So yeah, we also have like 35 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,600 random sound effects, Which Scott is making me use during 36 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:52,000 this sharp. Yeah, that's the pulling my arm 37 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:52,800 sound. Anyway. 38 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,500 No. So, we have a lot to talk about. 39 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,400 We haven't had a chance to talk directly really since pre pre 40 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,000 season about IU football. So we're going to tackle that we 41 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,800 also want to tackle the big news of the day first, which I know a 42 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,900 lot of you are following along with which is this new Big Ten 43 00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:10,199 media deal. We're going to talk about the 44 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:11,800 details of that. What it means. 45 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,600 What? It doesn't mean what the 46 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,100 implications are moving forward. So we'll tackle all those things 47 00:02:17,100 --> 00:02:18,900 and I think we'll have fun doing it. 48 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:21,200 But first just a reminder that we are part of the back home 49 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,300 network and the back home network is presented to you by 50 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:26,600 home-field apparel. Home-field apparel. 51 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:31,800 Has once again, taken over the college landscape last week, 52 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,100 they debuted their Penn State collection and they set a new 53 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:39,200 sales record for a big new Saturday debut. 54 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:41,800 My congratulations to both Penn State fans. 55 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:44,500 As and home field for that our home field. 56 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:47,000 Well, there you go, but we'll see. 57 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:51,000 They may have a second straight week of record-breaking, as 58 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,800 they're going to unleash, their Ohio State apparel. 59 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,400 And I just get a sneaking suspicion that the Ohio State 60 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,500 people may have the record broken in like the first six 61 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:02,000 hours the sale. It wouldn't surprise me at all. 62 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,400 They have a good number of fans that. 63 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,200 Yeah, there are a few I've run into the one or two of them out 64 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,500 in the wild, but if you love college apparel, you need to be 65 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:11,600 shopping at home field. Apparel.com. 66 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,300 And you actually can chop home-field apparel here on 67 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:16,500 campus in the bookstore. Nice. 68 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,400 There's home-field apparel apparel available for purchase. 69 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:25,500 And whether you're looking for a shirt, a hoodie sticker, I mean 70 00:03:25,500 --> 00:03:28,200 almost anything related to College athletics, you're going 71 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,400 to find the best designs, the softest fabric, so don't feel 72 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,200 too Peril. If you're a first-time, Shopper 73 00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:35,900 on the home field apparel website, you can use the code 74 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:39,200 home. H ome get 15% off your first 75 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,000 order home field apparel.com. It's your favorite out of all 76 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,100 the things you bought there before. 77 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:46,700 The favorite thing I have is the Marshal hooded sweatshirt. 78 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,800 Just, I love the Marshall. When I have a couple of West 79 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,900 Virginia ones, it's did the hooded sweatshirt is the best. 80 00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:54,400 Might have the Bison. One, I'm getting some feedback. 81 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,600 Oh, there we go. That's smooth. 82 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,300 I had to turn my know. My own one down. 83 00:03:57,300 --> 00:03:59,300 Okay, I give yourself a give yourself a sound effect for that 84 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:00,700 you did good. Hold on. 85 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,700 Yeah, there we go. Fans are loving the. 86 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:06,600 Sweatshirts are the best. I have way too many hooded 87 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,500 sweatshirts and I continue to say, alright, I'm done. 88 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:11,800 Like we're redoing our closets. We're doing the alpha system. 89 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:14,000 Our house and it's nice but it's like I don't have any more room 90 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,600 for sweatshirts but then I will see a new look. 91 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,500 I'll just kind of go through the site to see who Colorado School 92 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:19,800 of Mines. Like, that's a cool look and 93 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,800 there that it's you know, another 80 bucks down and as 94 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,300 you've mentioned, many times I don't have the promo code. 95 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:30,100 So use that first promo code. It is uses use it wisely by a 96 00:04:30,108 --> 00:04:33,600 bunch then? Yes, just to maximize the deal. 97 00:04:33,700 --> 00:04:35,700 Go on Twitter but can put an order in with my co. 98 00:04:35,700 --> 00:04:38,400 Like, who wants in Ryan? Just just, yeah, well, maybe 99 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,300 don't do that but that, but anyway. 100 00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:42,200 No. Anyway, Move on. 101 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,700 Let's talk about this big ten deal. 102 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:46,100 Yes to start with. This has been rumored for a 103 00:04:46,108 --> 00:04:49,800 while and we've most of the details had kind of leaked out 104 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,600 by the time. This finally became public 105 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,400 knowledge but you know. Now we've got some stuff to 106 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,300 actually work with an eight billion dollar deal. 107 00:04:56,300 --> 00:04:59,700 I believe was the final number that they landed on and it 108 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:04,100 equates out to about one point one four billion dollars per 109 00:05:04,100 --> 00:05:08,400 year spread across the teams in the conference of 14. 110 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,700 Right now, it'll be 16 in a couple of years and it's a lot. 111 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:17,200 Money and it puts big ten games from various Sports on a bunch 112 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,900 of different Outlets. You've got NBC involved with Big 113 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:24,300 Ten stuff for the first time in decades, you get CBS, who's at 114 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:27,000 basketball. But as I Big Ten football in 115 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,600 maybe ever and certainly not, it's been decades. 116 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,700 Yeah. So you're going to have football 117 00:05:32,700 --> 00:05:35,100 back on CBS for the Big Ten. Yes. 118 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:38,600 You're going to have stuff on peacock, you're gonna have stuff 119 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,000 on Paramount. Plus you're still going to have 120 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,700 Big Ten Network, you know, heh. Jess one, no ESPN in this deal 121 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:48,100 and that had been something that we pretty much knew was going to 122 00:05:48,100 --> 00:05:51,600 be the case. Unfortunately, from the 123 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,100 standpoint of the way that television deals are working in 124 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:56,800 college sports. There's still a lot of side 125 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,700 choosing that takes place, so it's not a surprise that you're 126 00:06:00,700 --> 00:06:04,400 not going to have ESPN involved because the Big Ten is very much 127 00:06:04,700 --> 00:06:07,200 connected with Fox and they've allowed Fox to run the 128 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,800 negotiations and it's good business sense as far as the big 129 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,900 Ten's concerned. But overall, You've seen the 130 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:14,500 news. You had a chance to digest the 131 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:15,600 little bit. What are your overall thoughts? 132 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,100 The best thing that happened was CBS, put out a great thing on 133 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:21,400 Twitter like they have like their, their CBS college 134 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,800 football music with all like, it's like the big names big 135 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,100 stages and have clips of all the, the Big Ten teams. 136 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:28,600 I was happy two things. One that Indiana made it. 137 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,300 There is clips of Indiana and it be had to dig for those. 138 00:06:31,300 --> 00:06:33,100 Well, we made it ahead of I was worried. 139 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:34,800 They were gonna do it like with UCLA and USC. 140 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,300 Just cut us out like us in Northwestern just aren't part of 141 00:06:37,300 --> 00:06:39,400 the height video. Like we made the height video, 142 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,700 which I think should be like that's, you know, I work. 143 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,900 With half a win for this season. So we're kind of starting the 144 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:48,000 year, you know, half and oh, it's like, hey, we're in the 145 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,500 hype video, like that. Maybe give us a half a banner 146 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:53,600 Memorial Stadium. It, this is going to you. 147 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,600 And I were talking like, I don't think not, you know, the 148 00:06:56,900 --> 00:06:58,900 headline here I'm hearing like, you know, add weeks like the big 149 00:06:58,900 --> 00:07:02,000 thing is like, the deal does not occur, not include ESPN. 150 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,900 Like first off, like they did a good job of carving, it out a 151 00:07:04,907 --> 00:07:07,000 couple different ways but, you know, they can't give it to 152 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,800 everybody so. So there's going to be a major 153 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,700 player that's not in there. I don't think not being mean. 154 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:14,700 It'd be great to be on ESPN, but I don't think ESPN holds the 155 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:18,300 same way that you used to. And I don't think it's bad. 156 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:21,900 I think that to me, that the real key here is, I like the CBS 157 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:25,500 afternoon slot because that's kind of become the afternoon for 158 00:07:25,500 --> 00:07:29,000 football. But I do think that NBC on 159 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,500 Saturday night, could be really interesting because for the NFL, 160 00:07:32,500 --> 00:07:37,000 which says the media king their NBC Sunday night football, has 161 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,700 become the premier game of the week and so MBC promotes this 162 00:07:40,700 --> 00:07:42,400 together. As like, Like, we have the 163 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,700 weekend of football, we have Saturday night if they start 164 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:47,900 promoting next week, Saturday night game during Sunday Night 165 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:51,400 Football, you're going to get some huge numbers and it's going 166 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,500 to be, you know, great. I don't think Indiana will be a 167 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:56,800 part of anything Saturday nights from the, from the early on. 168 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,700 We don't know. We played play a lot of good 169 00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:02,000 teams, Scott, you know, so there's always a chance. 170 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,100 Hey, let's order a 44, 27 beat down. 171 00:08:05,100 --> 00:08:07,000 So, you gonna call? I mean, you know, we all know 172 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,000 who we're gonna call on that. No, I'm kidding. 173 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,900 I'm kidding. But no, it's a couple things I 174 00:08:10,907 --> 00:08:14,900 want to pick up on that. That first is the ESPN piece 175 00:08:14,900 --> 00:08:17,900 because a lot of people have looked at this and everything 176 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:21,900 from, this is a sign of the glow of the growing commercialization 177 00:08:21,900 --> 00:08:24,200 and split in college athletics that he has pan isn't a partner 178 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,200 of the Big Ten for the first time, in 30 plus years to which 179 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,400 my response is yes. And right, like I mean of 180 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,600 course, things are changing significantly. 181 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,600 But I think people that have looked at this as a significant 182 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,600 negative for the Big Ten, there's a lot of people still 183 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:44,000 think about the NHL and when the NHL L in, I think 2005 Post 184 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,400 strike, they're coming out of their ESPN has dropped them. 185 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,600 They're no longer part of the package and so they end up on 186 00:08:50,900 --> 00:08:53,800 one of the time was the outdoor life Network and then that turns 187 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,900 into NBC Sports Network and then they're on, you know, big NBC 188 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,600 and and ESPN went from being the primary hockey people who 189 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,500 covered hockey consistently on SportsCenter. 190 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:06,700 Whatever it had its own NHL Tonight Show to nothing. 191 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:10,900 Well that was, it was a different era because that era 192 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:13,400 it's still very much Mattered, what was on SportsCenter? 193 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,400 It's still very much mattered that you had a show that 194 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,300 specifically focused on what you as a conference or as a 195 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,100 professional sports organization. 196 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:24,400 We're doing. But that was 15 years ago, it 197 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,700 all more than that, you know? And and what you've got now, is 198 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:32,300 a media environment where people are not by and large, if they're 199 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:36,300 under the age of 40 or 45, they're not flip going home and 200 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,500 turn it on SportsCenter or turn on ESPN at 5 and watch him, 201 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:41,700 like, around the horn PTI, SportsCenter special. 202 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,700 SportsCenter game. She's not the way that people 203 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:47,800 consume events at this point. They'll watch games. 204 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,300 If it involves the team that they want but they're getting 205 00:09:50,300 --> 00:09:52,200 their highlights from Twitter. They're getting their highlights 206 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,000 on Instagram there, they're not hanging on ESPN's every word on 207 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,000 their website. There's other sources of getting 208 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,500 information and so it's it's going to be a new thing and 209 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:07,300 certainly we'll see if it's about size impact but I just 210 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:11,100 don't think that the Big Ten even if they had stayed 211 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:14,100 partnered. With ESPN was going to ever get 212 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:18,300 the same level of promotion and coverage is the SEC because that 213 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:23,400 is the conference that ESPN has thrown themselves fully into bed 214 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,800 with and you know, they are the ones that run the SEC network. 215 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,300 They're the ones that went out of their way to bid on the 216 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:33,200 entire SEC package and get it entirely within the ESPN 217 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,000 universe. So the idea that the Big Ten 218 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,100 should have maintained a toe in that when they didn't have to 219 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:41,100 and they could make this much money outside of it. 220 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:44,300 I think that that idea was probably not a good one. 221 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:46,600 Well, I also look at like, you and I are some of the few and 222 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,000 only IndyCar fans in the world, you know? 223 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,800 For a long time. I'll be brief on this because 224 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,300 nobody cares about IndyCar, 'but you. 225 00:10:52,300 --> 00:10:55,100 And I and like three other people, you know, but for the 226 00:10:55,100 --> 00:10:57,800 longest time, as I see it, you know, you had to keep on ABC for 227 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,900 the Indy 500 because you got to keep ESPN. 228 00:10:59,900 --> 00:11:03,300 You got to keep IndyCar on SportsCenter and they never 229 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:05,800 promoted into your car. And then, you know, they went to 230 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,700 NBC IndyCar, went to NBC is their primary package just like 231 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:11,100 you're basically on the EU you're on ESPN and you're on 232 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:13,500 Sports and about As you were before like the races in 233 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:15,600 Nashville and you know st. Louis like there's only being 234 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,000 covered. The nice thing here. 235 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,100 For the Big Ten is like a Ohio State, Michigan game is going to 236 00:11:21,100 --> 00:11:24,100 be covered whether an immediate will get as much coverage but 237 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:26,900 it's like you're the Big Ten is going to have teams in the top 238 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:30,700 five and SportsCenter. Can't not have, you know, a big 239 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:32,800 you know, Penn State, Ohio State matchup and they're going to 240 00:11:32,808 --> 00:11:34,200 cover it. And so you're kind of covered 241 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,700 both ways like Indy car. At least they were worried about 242 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:38,600 like we're such a fringe sport. We're not going to cover will 243 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,600 guess what? ESPN is going to cover the best 244 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,300 sports in. We're going to have Biased for 245 00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:44,100 things that are already under their media purview. 246 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:46,500 But the nice thing here, with the Big Ten is, you're always 247 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:49,400 going to have top five teams. It's like you have a, you know, 248 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,500 the the Iowa Penn State matchup last year. 249 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:53,900 They're both ranked in the top 10, it's like ESPN's. 250 00:11:53,900 --> 00:11:55,700 Not going to be like. Alright let's go to Van, talk 251 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:57,500 about, Vanderbilt highlights, and like, was there any other 252 00:11:57,500 --> 00:11:58,700 games? We go think so. 253 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,600 All right, over to you PTI like they're going to talk about it 254 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,900 by my question to you is, are you as you see this done? 255 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:10,000 This is still a very old meteorites. 256 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:13,100 You know, Legacy partners. Are you Is there wasn't an 257 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:14,600 Amazon? We heard about Apple going in 258 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,600 there? Are you surprised that, you 259 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,000 know, something wasn't carved off for a non-traditional 260 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,200 player? I'm not because I think that can 261 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,600 always be worked into the deal later. 262 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,100 First of all, like, you can always if you really wanted to 263 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:27,100 do a game of the week on Apple or Amazon, you could, you could 264 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:29,700 do it even with this deal. Like, I don't think I mean, 265 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:33,100 apple or Amazon. We have to pay to sublicense, 266 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:35,400 they can do that. But, thank ya there. 267 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,300 That's the stuff they find in their couch. 268 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:38,000 Cushions. Right. 269 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,600 But, you know, I do think that it is kind. 270 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:44,400 Of a new media deal even though the brand names are old. 271 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,200 Because when you go through and you look at the actual details 272 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,900 of the agreement, peacock is huge in this one plus, you know, 273 00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:55,800 Paramount plus is going to be involved in some way shape or 274 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,800 form. You know, you go through and 275 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,900 look at that. So for instance, Every CBS 276 00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:06,200 broadcast of a big ten football or basketball game will also be 277 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,200 streamed on Paramount plus. So even if you're in a position 278 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,800 where you're not able to watch the network version, you're 279 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,200 going to be able to watch it on that. 280 00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:22,000 For NBC NBC itself, is going to do 14 to 16 games on broadcast 281 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,900 television but then they're also going to Simon stream that on 282 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:31,300 peacock and peacock is going to have what 47 regular-season, 283 00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:33,700 men's basketball games, 30 regular-season, women's 284 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:36,600 basketball games, and eight regular season, football games 285 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,400 over the course of each season. Well, that's about as New Media, 286 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,900 as you get. Like, I think just some degree 287 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:45,200 you have to think about, it's not just the brands, it's the 288 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,200 venue through which the media is being transmitted and right now 289 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:52,600 NBC and, you know, this is an IndyCar fan and BC needs 290 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:53,500 peacock. Yes. 291 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:58,600 Stuff like they, you know, they need content and the can't get 292 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,100 by with office reruns for the Now, for all eternity, do they 293 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:05,500 really they really cannot and this gives them something 294 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,100 regular. Yeah, that's going to have a lot 295 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:11,100 more appeal, because you think about the properties that NBC's 296 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:14,100 able to do I mean they do the multicast on peacock for rent 297 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:16,500 for Sunday Night Football. Have you ever watched that? 298 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:19,200 No, no, no, either by it. Cuz he why it's on television 299 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,300 already and then they got IndyCar which you and I watch 300 00:14:22,300 --> 00:14:25,000 and as you said, we're like 75 percent of India's entire 301 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,900 fanbase you've got the Olympics which when they're around. 302 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,700 Round is great, but that is what two weeks, every two years 303 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:37,200 crack, and that's it and and yet Notre Dame football and you know 304 00:14:37,208 --> 00:14:39,300 this year they announced that the game that they're putting on 305 00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:43,600 peacock is Notre Dame UNLV. Who I think you and I had the 306 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,100 same number of wins as UNLV did in college football last year. 307 00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:51,100 Like these are not top-level products that they're putting on 308 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:52,500 peacock. They have to have some premium 309 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:53,800 stuff. I mean, this is what he has fans 310 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,400 done really well with plus over the last six or seven years is 311 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,000 that they have acquired rights to That people want to watch, 312 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,000 maybe not in huge numbers, but enough that they would 313 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,400 subscribe. So, German soccer, for a while, 314 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:11,000 Italian CFC UFC, you know, they stick all the secondary and 315 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,800 tertiary CC and SEC stuff on ESPN plus. 316 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Well, NBC needs to get involved in that. 317 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:20,800 And, and, you know, it's what I find fascinating. 318 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,000 And what I'm curious about is like, how all of that interacts 319 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:30,100 with the existing web properties for like big 10 plus, or What 320 00:15:30,100 --> 00:15:32,400 fox does they don't do a whole lot on the streaming side 321 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:33,700 compared to some of the other folks. 322 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:36,400 They they're kind of in a different mode of doing things, 323 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,700 but it really does. Look on its face like the Big 324 00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:44,300 Ten struck a deal, that's going to be really positive putting it 325 00:15:44,300 --> 00:15:46,600 stuff, not just in traditional media markets where everybody's 326 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,500 going to watch but also sticking things in places where they're 327 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:51,800 not going to be that hard to find and it's not going to cost 328 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,100 fans that much more, right? And as you mentioned earlier, 329 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:59,100 when we were having lunch at Osteria Rago, which you can cast 330 00:15:59,100 --> 00:16:00,800 a great, wasn't it? Choice. 331 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,800 But you mentioned something interesting that I thought was a 332 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,700 good point, which is that ESPN's future is not necessarily as 333 00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:13,500 secure as some might think because there's a movement 334 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:17,000 within Disney right now potentially to get ESP and 335 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,300 peeled off and, you know, spun off as a separate company in 336 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:22,100 part. Because a lot of the business 337 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:25,100 decisions that ESPN has to make moving forward, don't 338 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:27,200 necessarily align with Disney's Vision. 339 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:29,200 They want to get Sports, wagering stuff in there and 340 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,400 Disney doesn't At that, and there's a few other things but 341 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,500 also, ESPN's Empire was largely built off of cable Revenue. 342 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,100 Well, their kings of old media. They, they were like, you know, 343 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:41,500 my grandma paid for cable and they, she had to pay ten dollar 344 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:43,300 Carriage fee for ESPN and never watch anything. 345 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:45,800 And now, the things are being. Unbundled, like you mentioned 346 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,500 that they work with ESPN plus, but he has to be plus has not 347 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:51,800 has not shown that people are willing to pay ten bucks for 348 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,500 that service. And so in a weird way, they're, 349 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:59,200 they're kind of badly suited for this new model where everything 350 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,000 is all a cart I'm not sure you can get people to pay 15 bucks 351 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,500 for aren't enough. People to pay 15 bucks like the 352 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:06,800 key to ESPN's model. The reason they were a cash cow 353 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,099 for so many years is everybody who had cable was paying 15 354 00:17:10,099 --> 00:17:12,099 bucks for ESPN, even if you didn't watch anything. 355 00:17:12,099 --> 00:17:15,099 And so it's a weird way like we were talking about like it's 356 00:17:15,099 --> 00:17:16,800 possible. They get bought by a hedge fund, 357 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,300 that just wants to squeeze the life out of them and they start 358 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:21,599 sucking the money out like there's there's a world where 359 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:24,599 ESPN is not look the same as not the Behemoth that we know it 360 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:27,300 today. So I'm not sure that that was 361 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:30,200 the thought process behind your but it just, it doesn't I don't 362 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,200 think that not being on ESPN, is there? 363 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,900 That's my point. I mean, we're not predicting the 364 00:17:33,908 --> 00:17:36,400 demise of ESP and I think they'll be perfectly fine, but 365 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,600 they're no more secure correct than any of these other 366 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:41,800 partners. And I think you can make an 367 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,400 argument like, with something like Fox, where, yo Fox could 368 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,800 have backed off of a lot of what they did with sports. 369 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,700 But instead, they decided about five years ago, we're going to 370 00:17:50,708 --> 00:17:53,400 double down on college football. We're going to change the way 371 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,000 the college football's done. We're no longer going to just 372 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,800 seed this territory without any competition. 373 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,600 To ESPN, right? And you can be the beneficiary 374 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,800 of that if you're the Big Ten, and this is the other nice thing 375 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,300 that you brought up in before this deal, and I'm happy the Big 376 00:18:08,300 --> 00:18:11,600 Ten, listen to you, is like, they kind of did an NFL style, 377 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,200 meteorites deal here. They sold it to three different 378 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,100 people. So, if, if you unlike the ACC in 379 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:19,500 the grant of rights thing with ESPN, where it's kind of like 380 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:21,700 they're locked in with one partner for the whole time, like 381 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:25,000 if if you get to a point where let's just say, you know, fought 382 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,700 CBS for some reason has struggles in the media landscape 383 00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:30,900 and looks like there may be bought out like The way this is 384 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:33,300 set up is like, you still at least have NBC and fox and maybe 385 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:35,700 then you sell that CBS part 2, Apple TV. 386 00:18:35,700 --> 00:18:38,900 Like, it does feel like you are locked in for 10 years, but it's 387 00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:42,100 not one partner your, you know, spread across different vendors 388 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:44,100 so to speak. And so I do like that. 389 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:46,200 Also, the last question, I'll ask to you. 390 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:48,000 We have more if you want to keep going. 391 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,600 No, no. The other question I have to use 392 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,600 I brought up is like, NBC the thing that piqued my interest is 393 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,700 like NBC is part of this deal and BC as a deal with Notre 394 00:18:55,700 --> 00:18:58,500 Dame, does this make the on-ramp for Notre? 395 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:01,700 Dame to the Big Ten if they Want to easier in your mind. 396 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:04,700 Well, yeah, because now you're in the same corporate right 397 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,800 structure. Now, I was seeing some reports 398 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,800 earlier this week that Notre Dame might be looking at a 60 399 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,400 million dollar a year guarantee from NBC, which they can get 400 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,600 that good for them. But, you know, that largely, I 401 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,900 think, is on the tales of NBC deciding that they're going to 402 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:22,300 jump in with both feet to college sports, which is 403 00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:23,900 frankly, something that they haven't done. 404 00:19:23,900 --> 00:19:26,500 I mean, there's been college sports on NBC recently, but it's 405 00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:29,900 been like the Atlantic 10 or the Colonial Athletic. 406 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:32,000 Association. You know, it hasn't been 407 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,300 high-profile stuff except for Notre Dame right now. 408 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:39,500 You know what will this do in terms of you know will Notre 409 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:43,700 Dame if Notre-Dame is making 60 million a year from ESPN that's 410 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:46,500 going to court for me from Hughes me from from there. 411 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:50,500 Meteorites deal through NBC that is going to mean that they're 412 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:53,600 probably making about 20 million dollars less than any big 10 413 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,600 team. Which if you're in order to aim, 414 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,100 you can probably still survive on that fairly easily. 415 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:01,100 I think the question that they're going to have is if that 416 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:04,200 number because there are escalators in this big ten deal 417 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,800 where it could get bigger if they have continued expansion, 418 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,700 it could increase like if that Gap starts to grow and now 419 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:13,900 instead of 20 million dollars behind their 30 or 40 or 50 420 00:20:13,900 --> 00:20:16,000 million dollars behind I think that's where they might say. 421 00:20:16,300 --> 00:20:18,600 Yeah. You know, all told we'd rather 422 00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:21,400 combine things because we have better Market power. 423 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,700 If we're operating as a unit rather than us as the individual 424 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:27,400 because we can be bid against this point, as just some guy 425 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,100 podcasting has no Insight in Phi. 426 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,400 I think the To me, I think the bigger push should be less about 427 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,300 money. So I think 20 30 million here, 428 00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:36,400 there's probably not the end of the world for Notre, Dame about 429 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,300 be nice, I'll take some of it, they don't need it, I think it's 430 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:41,500 more. If you get to a point where you 431 00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:44,000 know, the Big Ten in the SEC, start determining what the 432 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,400 playoff is going to look like. I've say this for a while like 433 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,200 they're going to do it. I think when they do it the next 434 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,600 time, they're not going to give everybody a seat at the table 435 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,500 and I think they'll still be a path for non Big 10 SEC schools 436 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:58,000 to get there, but it might be where Big 10 SEC Champions have 437 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,700 a by or their first two games are at Home and then it goes to 438 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:02,600 bowl games are like, you know, they're the winners of each 439 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,300 division, the Big 10 SEC, have buys our home games. 440 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:08,600 Like the the path I think for other conferences will be harder 441 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,500 and Notre Dame. Will kind of be in the same boat 442 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:15,300 as Arizona and West you know, Arizona and you know UNC and 443 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:17,400 other schools. I started making sure I know the 444 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,200 right school. So what conferences they like, 445 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,400 make sure like West Virginia is not in the, the SEC are they? 446 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,400 But so I think that might be a bigger deter deterrent. 447 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,300 If you get to a point where detriment sorry wrong word, 448 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:31,400 might be a Desperate. Like, if you get to that point 449 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,500 where Notre Dame, see is like our path to get to the college 450 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:35,400 football national championship. Every year is a little bit 451 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,300 harder and we want to be with the big boys and get our byes 452 00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:39,700 and stuff. I think that'll be the bigger 453 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:42,800 difference, but to your point if you already have now, you know, 454 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,000 a deal with NBC in the Big Ten, I think I think now it's 455 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,400 probably you have a longer period before Notre Dame has to 456 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,300 make that call and they can probably wait, five six, seven 457 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:53,400 years, see what the landscape looks like in and out. 458 00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:55,600 If what I'm saying, never comes to fruition, maybe they never 459 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,700 join, but it's like, if I'm Notre Dame it's like I will see 460 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:00,700 if we get locked out we can always just Call the Embassy and 461 00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:02,800 say, Daddy, let us in the Big Ten and, you know, they get in 462 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,400 the Big Ten, that's the thing. I mean, I just I wouldn't have 463 00:22:06,408 --> 00:22:09,100 been surprised if Notre Dame decided that now is the right 464 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:11,000 time to do it. But I'm also not surprised that 465 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,800 Jack swarbrick of all people was like, what a weird to maintain 466 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,200 her independence and I think eventually they'll leave, but I 467 00:22:16,208 --> 00:22:19,300 think they also realize they don't have to write because 468 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,400 they're going to still get an invite five to ten years from 469 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,000 now. And I look I think for the Big 470 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:29,100 Ten if you have Notre Dame on the same network that you're on, 471 00:22:29,700 --> 00:22:33,200 you You both on your the only college level properties on NBC 472 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:38,000 like, to me, that is essentially moving in next door. 473 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,300 Yeah. Because now having said you 474 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:41,500 can't be like, hey, you don't get to play USC, all those 475 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:44,200 games, the NBC's, probably going to push to have hell anyway, so 476 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,200 it's like, well, that's the thing. 477 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,800 It's like now, if you're Notre Dame and this is where it's 478 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,400 gonna be interesting as they deal with the ACC stuff because 479 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,900 they had committed. And I think they're still 480 00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:54,800 committed to the, what, the four games a year against ACC 481 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,800 opponents. But now it's like, well, you 482 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,800 know, we've got USC, which is a Big Ten team. 483 00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:02,500 Mm, you got Michigan, which is a historical rival, Big Ten team, 484 00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:05,300 Michigan State, Big Ten, team Purdue Purdue between the plane 485 00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:08,700 Indiana and five years or six years, whatever it is, Big Ten 486 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:11,900 team will not guess what everybody gets rich off those 487 00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:14,600 because there's going to be on, NBC likely, you know, those are 488 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,700 going to be a 7:30 game or the called the SEC quiz play 489 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:20,100 Vanderbilt 3 times. 100, is because banged out like, what? 490 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:22,800 And that's the other home and home and home with Vanderbilt is 491 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,900 all in one year. It's like a home game for Notre 492 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:29,100 Dame against a big 10 team could be on NBC, but part of the note, 493 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:31,900 the NBC The owner named contract, not the Big Ten 494 00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:34,000 contract. It's like it's a bonus at that 495 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,400 point. So, that's where I would look at 496 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,100 this and say, it, lays groundwork it doesn't, you're 497 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:43,800 nobody's, there's no rings being exchanged or anything like that, 498 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,100 but it lays the groundwork so that Notre Dame wants to join. 499 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:49,400 They can and at the Big Ten once in order to aim to join, they 500 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:54,700 can and if NBC once, in order to aim to join the Big Ten, then 501 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:55,600 they can. Yeah. 502 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,100 So so look will be a lot more to come with this. 503 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:02,700 I think there's a out of interesting news and we won't 504 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:06,800 really see the full extent of this until 2024. 505 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,100 So it's gonna be another couple of years because a, you got to 506 00:24:09,108 --> 00:24:12,700 wait for those to pack 12 teams to come over and be, you gotta 507 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:15,800 wait for the SEC to clear off of CBS. 508 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,600 So this will take a little bit of time to unveil its back 509 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,500 loaded because of that so Revenue generation for the first 510 00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:26,200 couple years is not going to be as much as it is in those last 511 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,800 five or six years of the deal. But again another savvy. 512 00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:34,500 Contract by the Big Ten, you know as Savvy as Jim Delaney was 513 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:37,000 signing that short-term deal before you figure. 514 00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:40,400 By the time, all the pieces that we know of right now are going 515 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,600 to be in place for this deal to start going. 516 00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:46,400 You're already going to be three years into the deal. 517 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,100 You're going to five years left and now, you know, sorry. 518 00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:52,200 Negotiate prior to prior to 2030, you're going to have a 519 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,900 chance to have a brand new contract knowing what the 520 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,500 realities are of college sports. And if you've been paying 521 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:00,500 attention to college sports news, He's at all. 522 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:03,700 That is very much up in the air. Like, you know, the governance 523 00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:05,700 of college, football's up in the air was going to happen with 524 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:07,800 college basketball in the tournaments up in the air. 525 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,000 There's a lot out there even down to like, who's going to 526 00:25:12,008 --> 00:25:13,900 have the playoff, you know, who's gonna have the 527 00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:17,600 championship. It's, it's it's not just a 528 00:25:17,608 --> 00:25:20,200 matter of ESPN running things and everybody kind of fallen 529 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,800 into line. Now, it's this is very much 530 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,900 Brave New World territory. I will just say this opens up a 531 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,800 employment opportunity for any Crimson cast fan listener. 532 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:32,800 You know, my dad, I love My dad, he's 92 years old if he gets to, 533 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,400 you know, 2025 which I hope to hope he does. 534 00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:38,700 I will pay somebody $300 an hour to go to his house, and show him 535 00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:41,500 how to watch a game on Paramount plus, like, it's money. 536 00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:43,700 Well, spent I love them, like, have a good time trying to 537 00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:48,100 explain to my dad, how to get Paramount plus and peacock on 538 00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:49,900 his TV. Good luck. 539 00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:53,000 I can't even figure out Paramount Plus at the time and 540 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,100 like to pick up a little bit. Okay, on that stuff. 541 00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:59,100 But yeah, no, it'll be an internet mean, this is the area 542 00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:01,000 that we're in now. Now, and this is how things are 543 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,600 going to go. And so at the end of the day, I 544 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,800 hope you guys not to use apps out there, Crimson castle and 545 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,400 because you're going to be using a lot of them. 546 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:13,200 So anyway, let's shift gears and talk about IU football, as we 547 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,700 are not that far away, man. We're two weeks away from the 548 00:26:16,708 --> 00:26:19,600 start of the Season plus a day at this point. 549 00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:25,100 And I still don't have a clue what I'm supposed to think or 550 00:26:25,108 --> 00:26:27,700 feel or expect out of this the season. 551 00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:30,600 You know? I mean the this is we always We 552 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,400 talk, we do, we've done this so many times over the course of 553 00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:37,200 the years that we've been podcasting together, and it's 554 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,000 always one of those deals where if you want to, you can get 555 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,900 really hyped up about the good news in August because it's 556 00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:48,500 every every position has a breakout player and every 557 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,900 returner has something that they've improved in their game. 558 00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:55,100 And every coach has these plans that are going to make things, 559 00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:57,500 this much better and we hear this over and over again and 560 00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:00,100 these are the stories that come out from the Press. 561 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,000 Average of things and then the season starts and most of the 562 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,700 time, none of that actually came to fruition in the team actually 563 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:10,000 has very similar to was before what's interesting is the last 564 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,100 three years. It hasn't been that way. 2019. 565 00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:16,900 I think everybody at least the two of us came into that season 566 00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:19,800 thinking probably another five and seven year maybe six and six 567 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,700 if we're lucky which is what I you had done the last four 568 00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:25,000 years. Instead they go, you know, nine 569 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,800 and four almost win a bowl game and have, you know, One of the 570 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,000 they're not night and for they go eight and five and they have 571 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,600 one of the best seasons in IU football history, like Bar None 572 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,700 the next year, you know, we're, we're interested were intrigued 573 00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:42,800 but I don't think anybody was thinking. 574 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,400 Wow, this team's going to be a top 10 team and yet they were, 575 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,600 and then last year, we did think they were going to be a top 10 576 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,400 team and they most decidedly. We're not so you to some degree. 577 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,800 It's like I've given up projecting at this point, you 578 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,800 have to do a little bit and when we get close to the start of the 579 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,500 season, will give our wind But right now, it's I think 580 00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:07,100 important for fans, not not people that are just like 581 00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:11,000 fanatics but people that are trying to be thinking fans to 582 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,300 back up and not get swept up in the excitement. 583 00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:19,400 Reasonable level of excitement. But excitement nonetheless about 584 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,700 shiny new objects, or things that we haven't seen in action 585 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:25,300 because you just don't know what's going to happen with 586 00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:27,800 them. So I've enjoyed some of your 587 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,300 pods. I have a couple more coming up 588 00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:30,500 now. I know not all of All of them. 589 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:33,400 It's like, you know, getting the hot girl. 590 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,400 I got an achy, a little bit of not at the moment, Austin was 591 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,300 really good. But I've I've come to this this 592 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,200 conclusion. I don't know what to expect. 593 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,400 It's kind of where I'm at, but there's two ways to look at this 594 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,000 season. I think both of them have 595 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,100 legitimate points and fairness is all kind of hit. 596 00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:52,200 Both of them in on the negative side, you know, going into that 597 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,800 2020 season. We talked a lot about, you know, 598 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,400 Nick Sheridan was a new offensive coordinator and, you 599 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,000 know, having a new offensive coordinator as a Change to a 600 00:29:01,008 --> 00:29:04,900 team and we focused a lot on that as a possible concern, 601 00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:08,100 which is fair at that point. Like, that's a big change going 602 00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:10,100 into this year. And I remember years, like when 603 00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:12,100 been Chapel left in the next year it's like we have all the 604 00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:14,100 wide receivers like new quarterback, like how you know, 605 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:15,700 we don't know about that. And that's going to be a real 606 00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:18,000 question, mark, we have a new o coordinator. 607 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,800 We have a nudie coordinator, even new running back 608 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,400 coordinator on the skill position. 609 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,900 We have DJ Matt Matthews, coming back after playing you know a 610 00:29:24,908 --> 00:29:27,800 game and a half and that's it. We have a new, you know, new 611 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,000 quarterback, new running backs, new wide. 612 00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:34,000 Receivers mostly a new o-line on defense, a lot of guys coming 613 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,900 back. But on the flip side, it's like 614 00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:38,000 we you talk about that Cincinnati game like when 615 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,800 McFadden went out our defense just like that was we just 616 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,600 assume that's a law. So it's like he's gone. 617 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,600 So using that as a barometer there's nothing to say like that 618 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,100 is five or six things that have just one of them was happening 619 00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:53,900 this year. You be like this is a real 620 00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,000 question mark we got to keep an eye on this year. 621 00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:59,400 There's question marks all over the place so and the point that 622 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,100 normally coming Of a bad year. Just historically. 623 00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,100 Indiana doesn't normally go from to intend to rebound the ten and 624 00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:07,500 two. So all of those things would 625 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:11,400 lead to this is going to be a very tough and brutal year. 626 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,100 Now on the flip side, something Zach talked about which I also 627 00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:19,800 agree with is when you look at the last six or seven years, the 628 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,500 aberration year would be last year, right? 629 00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:25,200 Like 2020, isn't the aberration we were building to it. 630 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,700 We went to a couple of bowl games. 631 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:28,900 Got a couple of years. We were competing for bowls, you 632 00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:32,400 know, we were showing progress. Ress of being a solid middle of 633 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,900 the pack, Big 10 team, who if things lined up, right, could 634 00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:40,500 pop like, we did in 2020. So, all that would say, last 635 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:43,300 year is the aberration and this year should go back to at least 636 00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:48,000 the form of like, 2018, 2019 as we sit here. 637 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,900 Like, I really don't Eileen. Probably more toward the first 638 00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:56,200 of its going to be a rough year, but I honestly don't know. 639 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,700 Like I think that's where I am. Very intrigued about this year. 640 00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:03,300 I'm not Hang in pistor annoyed. Like my expectations are low but 641 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:06,700 my interest is actually pretty high because I'm curious to see 642 00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:10,500 how this plays out because I do think you could make a case on 643 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:13,300 either side that it's going to be awful or last year is the 644 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:16,000 aberration we're going to be back to you know, fighting for 645 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,900 you know, seven eight wins. But yeah it's unfortunately the 646 00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:23,300 positive side it goes a lot of bit of you know the thing I 647 00:31:23,308 --> 00:31:25,500 always say is I hope is not a plan like a lot of us just based 648 00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:28,600 on Hope of like I really hope this is going to work out well 649 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,500 but that's kind of where I'm Matt is I really see both sides. 650 00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:34,000 I'm interested but that's where I'm at. 651 00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:36,600 No, I'm with you on that. I'll pretty much all the way 652 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,100 across the board. I think that the prudent 653 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:42,700 approach for an IU fan who's been through the paces with this 654 00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:47,500 program is not to get too down on what happened last year. 655 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:52,600 I mean it's it happened and it happened at the worst possible 656 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,200 time he do. And this is where I think to a 657 00:31:55,208 --> 00:31:58,800 large degree, a lot of IU football fans. 658 00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:02,400 Have or people who had decided they were going to invest in 659 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:09,700 football have almost gotten. Outsized angry at what happened 660 00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:13,100 last year because it wasn't just that they stunk which they did. 661 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:15,800 And it wasn't just that they basically kind of gave up on the 662 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,400 last third of the Season which they did, but there was a chance 663 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,900 there to finally build more people into IU football fans by 664 00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:26,800 having three consecutive awesome, or at least very good 665 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,100 seasons and they blew that to the point that I don't know how 666 00:32:30,108 --> 00:32:31,800 many people are gonna show up for the Illinois game. 667 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,900 That's a great question. Like, what is the crown going to 668 00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:37,000 be like for the next game? But but I also I think and I've 669 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,300 been guilty about this as much as anybody it's easy to get lost 670 00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:46,100 in your irritation about that and your irritation in like how 671 00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:50,600 did it get to that point with out like you can you can 672 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,600 overthink on that front and lose sight of the fact that the 673 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,200 overall level of the program has gone up a notch and you're going 674 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,200 to occasionally have seasons like that where you know, 2 and 675 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,500 10 or 3 and 9. I mean Northwestern has them 676 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,700 exact mentioned you. Seen other programs that are 677 00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:08,800 kind of in that mold, they'll have a stinker of a year. 678 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,500 That's what makes this year, so important. 679 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,700 Yeah. And that's where you can look at 680 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:15,900 the Personnel changes. You can look at Sheridan 681 00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:17,900 leaving, you can look at your old war and leaving, you can 682 00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:20,900 look at some of the other changes that took place and you 683 00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,200 can look at those assigned a weakness in Alan. 684 00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:25,500 It's like my God, this is what is force coordinator on both 685 00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:28,400 sides of the ball or service through 4th and 3rd or something 686 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,200 like that. And you can think to yourself. 687 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,000 Well, that's a sign of a coach pushing buttons, not knowing 688 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,200 what they're going to do, or you can look I didn't say, all 689 00:33:36,208 --> 00:33:39,100 right, well, they made those changes going into last year, in 690 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:42,200 some cases with the defense and on the offense, that was like, 691 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,100 the second year for Sheridan. And clearly, there wasn't 692 00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:48,500 something working on both sides of the ball, and they made 693 00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:51,200 changes to try to address that as quickly as possible. 694 00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:54,300 I can't decide whether I want to be in the optimistic camp for 695 00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:58,500 the pessimist to camp on that. And that is basically I think 696 00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:00,900 the challenge that most of us have really trying to break this 697 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:03,400 down and it's the same thing with a lot of these positions, 698 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,600 it's like, well, they brought in a lot of these interesting. 699 00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,600 Skill position players from around college football, and 700 00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:12,400 that generally doesn't work with college football, and it really 701 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,800 hasn't worked that much at Indiana. 702 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,800 I mean, there haven't been that many impact transfers period in 703 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,800 Indiana, history, and it's an even recently, like some of the 704 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,300 players last year that we're supposed to be impact transfers. 705 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,400 Certainly we're not, but that doesn't mean that it can't work 706 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,699 because we've seen it work in Michigan, State and elsewhere. 707 00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:30,800 And it's kind of how college football works these days and I 708 00:34:30,808 --> 00:34:34,500 think it's To some degree, how Indiana is going to have to do 709 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:36,699 business? Because they haven't shown an 710 00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:41,000 ability to go and develop really good starters. 711 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,600 Like Wisconsin does out of two or three star prospects some, 712 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,800 but not enough to be an 89 win team, but they may be a good 713 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,300 enough destination for players at SEC schools who got recruited 714 00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:57,300 over or you know, players at Big Ten schools who can play but 715 00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:59,700 maybe got an injury and they're trying to come back from that 716 00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:02,500 Indiana's probably if they're going to survive. 717 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,500 Thrive as a football program, in the next 10 years, under the 718 00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:09,800 current set of rules is going to have to learn to win with those 719 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,800 types of players. And so it's an interesting test 720 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,400 case, for Tom Allen, and this Indiana program to see how they 721 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,200 deal in this environment and it's not ideal. 722 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,900 But Indiana has never been in an ideal spot in football. 723 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,600 Yeah, you know. And, and that's not an excuse, 724 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,900 it's just a reality. You've never gotten the, I mean, 725 00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:29,400 they had the best recruiting class in their history, 726 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,200 essentially, last year and it was only 15 their Division and 727 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,200 he just gives you an indication of how far off the mark Indiana 728 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,400 is still in terms of overall culture. 729 00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:40,700 Well, that's what was so disappointing about last year, I 730 00:35:40,707 --> 00:35:45,200 think is so important about this upcoming season is, you know, 731 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,600 when I look at the so to me, it's like I look at the, our 732 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,500 results against Michigan State. Just because when I look at the 733 00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:54,700 Big Ten, he's and then, and hopefully this will be changing. 734 00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:56,900 That's coming on new meteorites. USC UCLA coming. 735 00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:59,300 Like, hopefully they blow it up and so this isn't our reality, 736 00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:01,400 but at least it's all reality for the next couple of years. 737 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,000 And it's Our reality is like, ho ho States, not going to not be 738 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,800 in the Big Ten with us, but like I look at the big 10. 739 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,400 He says, like different tiers, like, to me Ohio state is just 740 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,200 in a different galaxy like we're not going to compete with them. 741 00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:16,200 I think that Michigan and Penn State or kind of like, you know, 742 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,000 one a or to a, what's interesting. 743 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,000 If you go back and look at the last six years, against Michigan 744 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,300 State, just using them as a, you know, kind of like they should 745 00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:27,000 be at the same level. We are worth 3 and 3 against 746 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,300 them. Like it's, you know, the and 747 00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:31,300 what's interesting is that two years ago, we beat him. 748 00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:33,500 I think 24 to nothing. And we just shellacked him 749 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:37,000 should have been more last year. We played in pretty damn close 750 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,000 like they were a top 15 team. We could have won that game and 751 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,600 we didn't but like it wasn't a 24, nothing we got shut out and 752 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,600 we played them tough. So you would venture to say and 753 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,800 over the last six years, we got a second place, Big Ten, he's 754 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,700 finished, they don't. So if you look at just the last 755 00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:54,200 six years, where a better program than Michigan State. 756 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,000 What is so frustrating about last year? 757 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,400 Is it felt like all right, if we can, if we can kind of be in 758 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,900 that category and kind of get above them a little bit, that's 759 00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:04,500 this is what Like going into last year, it's like all right, 760 00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,900 you know, Rutgers and Maryland are on a rearview mirror. 761 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,000 We're got a slight Edge over, you know, Michigan State. 762 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,900 But now we're at that point where if we have the great 763 00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:14,700 season, the can't we can take down Mid Penn State Michigan and 764 00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,100 then it's like, you know, maybe have a puncher's chance against 765 00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,600 Ohio State. What was tough about last year 766 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,200 is, like, now, within just a 12 month periods, like, well, damn, 767 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,000 like Michigan State beat us, and they're recruiting, like, how 768 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,400 it's like, it feels like they are now in a different tier than 769 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,700 us. And it's like now we're back to 770 00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:32,800 fighting Maryland and Rutgers and I worry there are Ahead of 771 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,400 us. And that's where like, I look at 772 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,800 honest, like the Michigan State game. 773 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,300 This year to me is big, like, we've got to keep ourselves in 774 00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:41,700 that level of kind of in that spot where it's like, we're 775 00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:45,100 trying to get ourselves into the fourth place team in the 776 00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:47,400 division again, you're not going to beat him every time, but 777 00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:50,400 like, that's what was so nice about 20 20 is like, you not 778 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,600 only kind of beat Michigan State, but you're able to take 779 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,400 down Penn State and Michigan like, and yeah, it just felt 780 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,800 like, within one year, it's like, oh my God, we're back to 781 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,900 now, like, trying to just, hopefully pull, Maryland down 782 00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:04,200 with us and not be the worst. Well, Big Ten, he's so sweet to 783 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,000 me. It's like that's what's so 784 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,800 important about this year is you've got to find a way to get 785 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,200 back to the middle. Yeah, no and look, I think a lot 786 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,700 of last year's results were, they were closer than it is in 787 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:17,800 the early going than people give them credit for. 788 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,100 Now, does that mean that the team was better? 789 00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:23,100 I don't know. I mean, because the the last 790 00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:24,800 year's team was like three different teams. 791 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,700 Yeah. And but I think like an excuse 792 00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:29,600 but like nobody things went wrong last year. 793 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,500 Like it was a Confluence of like so many bad events and so many 794 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,400 Things went right for Michigan State. 795 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,900 Yeah. And you know, so they're like 796 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,500 the fritz and Franz of like regression, you know, where it's 797 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,700 like one of them had a season. Where everything went right one 798 00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:43,800 of them went everything went wrong which is kind of what 799 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,000 happened the previous year in Reverse, where everything went 800 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,300 right for Indiana and 2020 and everything, went wrong for 801 00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:52,200 Michigan State in 2022. So what does that mean for this 802 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,800 year? I mean so much of it. 803 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,500 Ultimately is how much of the problems that we saw. 804 00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:02,400 Last year were cultural that stem from the coaching staff. 805 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,700 And how many of them were issues with players whether it was 806 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,400 execution or attitude, or whatever or just problems in 807 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,100 management style where, you know, the end of the season. 808 00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:15,800 It was clear that neither the offense. 809 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,900 Nor the defense was something that Tom Allen wanted to see 810 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:20,400 being run the way that it was run. 811 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,100 Right. Well you know the players seem 812 00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:24,700 to want to run any of it, right? Yeah. 813 00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:28,800 And so like that, that kind of thing you would have to think if 814 00:39:28,808 --> 00:39:31,800 the program is going to be successful can get fixed, you 815 00:39:31,808 --> 00:39:34,500 know, you got Go back to the first couple of years of Alan's 816 00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:39,200 tenure to think about how all this plays out because we were 817 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,000 frustrated with Alan's tenure not because they were a two and 818 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,600 ten team and far away, but because they were close, they 819 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,000 weren't quite there. And there was some special sauce 820 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,400 that happened in the 2019 and 2020 season that suddenly put 821 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,800 them right there in the middle of things. 822 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,000 And then that goes away last year. 823 00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:59,700 So what caused the Special Sauce in the first place? 824 00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:03,700 And how do you get it back? And I think, That's where it's 825 00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:07,000 hard to predict what's going to happen with this team because 826 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,700 that is not a simple matter of. Oh they're talented or they're 827 00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:11,900 not talented because I mean, this is Indiana team. 828 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:15,200 Yeah, they're not as talented as Ohio State or Michigan or Penn 829 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,900 State but they're in the conversation with the other four 830 00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:21,300 teams in the Big Ten East as well as most of the teams in the 831 00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:23,400 big tent West. And I mean, even a team like 832 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,300 Wisconsin, which wins a lot more than Indiana. 833 00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:29,400 I don't think Wisconsin's that much more talented than Indiana 834 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,900 in a lot of positions, but they're much much better at 835 00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:33,500 running a football. Ball program. 836 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,400 And so I don't think that there are many games that are 837 00:40:37,408 --> 00:40:39,200 completely off the board for Indiana. 838 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,300 But I also know that they cannot play and coach, not just the way 839 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:48,400 they did last year, but the way that they did in 2017, and 2018 840 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,900 because, you know, those Seasons, like many of the Kevin 841 00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:54,600 Wilson seasons were characterized, largely by missed 842 00:40:54,600 --> 00:41:00,200 opportunities not by successes and, you know, I do think it's, 843 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,200 you know, the jury's still out. On Tom Allen's ability to win 844 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,000 games without Kalin Deboer or cane Wommack in key roles. 845 00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:14,300 And that was, you know, yes, both of the, you know, the, the 846 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:16,000 war was not here very long at all. 847 00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:18,700 And will make wasn't that great. The first time he was doing the 848 00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:21,000 defensive coordinator thing, but they both grew into the roles 849 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,800 very well. I just, I'm really curious to 850 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:31,200 see how Indiana is able to reset the room and how the new folks 851 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,500 that they bring in by, Into what Alan actually wants done. 852 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,700 And whether that Vision frankly is commensurate with a team that 853 00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:42,200 can win six or more games regularly in the conference 854 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,200 because that's ultimately what Indiana has to be. 855 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,700 If they want to do this on a going proposition to your point, 856 00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:49,700 he had good hires of a coordinators early on, he just 857 00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:52,200 had looked like bad ones after that. 858 00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:54,200 Which again goes to this dichotomy of like he did it. 859 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,900 Well, he did it wrong. Which one is it? 860 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,400 Yeah. It's because it's like so many 861 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,600 of the positional Cause I don't don't find interesting so much 862 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,000 of the focus has been on is it going to be kind of Basil 863 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,900 actors? It going to be Jack Tuttle and 864 00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:11,900 it does it matter. But we've seen very little of 865 00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:14,100 both of them kind of see what we've seen out of Jack title. 866 00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:16,300 I don't know what you would use to justify putting him in as a 867 00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:18,600 starting quarterback. I mean that Michigan State game? 868 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:23,300 You're talking about it, sticks out real bad, how inadequate he 869 00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:25,900 was at that position but it wasn't entirely his fault 870 00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:28,000 because he had a bad offensive line and he had receivers, that 871 00:42:28,008 --> 00:42:30,400 weren't getting 0. And this is where as a fan just 872 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,100 as a fan perspective, like I'm just not paying To wait until 873 00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:34,700 the games to see it because, right? 874 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,200 I was burned too bad last year. This is where I do have concerns 875 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,500 about the coaching staff as they went into last year. 876 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,700 Basically, just saying like a penix, is our guy, penix is 877 00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:43,100 ready. And then it was like three snaps 878 00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:46,700 into the Iowa game, I like as a fan and row 38 at kinnick 879 00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:49,300 Stadium, like appendix is not ready to play a Big Ten schedule 880 00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:51,500 and it's like how did they not see that? 881 00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:53,800 And maybe they have no other options but to go into the year 882 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,800 being the we're going to win the Big Ten and appendices are guy. 883 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,900 It's like you you had to have seen that this wasn't the 884 00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:01,700 options. Like why did you go get somebody 885 00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:03,800 to translate go? Do something and then just don't 886 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,400 be like, throwing your hands up and like I don't we have a, you 887 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,200 know, McCully as a Critic they looks completely unprepared for 888 00:43:09,207 --> 00:43:11,400 that scenario. So for me it's like even if they 889 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,400 came out and said base likes our guy and he's going to be the 890 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,500 best thing since sliced bread is like, I don't believe them. 891 00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:18,300 Like I need to see and on on the field and I'm not being 892 00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:21,900 negative, but I do think for me as a fan like that's where the 893 00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:23,900 bridge has been burned. Where it's like you've got to 894 00:43:23,908 --> 00:43:26,900 show me and I don't think basic needs to be penix. 895 00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:29,300 Review needs to be a top. Tier business needs to be 896 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,400 serviceable but they've lost me in that ability. 897 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,200 To have me believe anything, they say going into it, I am a 898 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,500 little bit concerned about their ability, to see that quarterback 899 00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:42,300 position, because it did seem like they were blinded by 900 00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:44,400 something with penix last, or maybe it's like this was our 901 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,200 best shot, even with him, 70%. But we saw him at 70%. 902 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,500 It wasn't good enough. I mean, we've seen a Tom Allen 903 00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:53,900 defense. Make a bowl with Richard Lego at 904 00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:54,800 quarterback? Yeah. 905 00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:58,900 And you know, that's kind of like the Mendoza Line of Indiana 906 00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:01,300 quarterbacks, if you can play, you know, and it's like it feel 907 00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:02,300 bad for like somebody like Nate's. 908 00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:06,100 Thud felled, who, as well, as he played only made one bowl game, 909 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,800 and that wasn't entirely his fault, he lost a year due to 910 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,000 injury, and what not. But that is to me, it's like if 911 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,900 you can get at least adequate quarterback play out of either 912 00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:18,000 of these guys, it's the Lego. Yeah. 913 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,200 Yeah. You know exactly. 914 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,000 You don't need to have a Michael panics granted, we never didn't 915 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,400 see much of Michael penix. I mean, ever finished a season 916 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,200 without a cur, a season-ending injury, but we, you know, we get 917 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,300 that that type of play or we get the Type of play that say 918 00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:37,800 somebody, you know, like even Peyton Ramsey, you know, Ramsey 919 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,400 leads the team to a twins on and off in that 2019 season. 920 00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:45,500 You just need competent play which they just weren't getting 921 00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:47,900 last year because panics was injured, Tuttle was not ready. 922 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,600 McCully was definitely not ready and you just you get to a point 923 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,100 where that becomes something that holds you way the hell back 924 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,400 and I feel that way across the board. 925 00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:00,500 You know, it's like wide receiver as much as the 926 00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:03,600 quarterbacks got crap last year. That was One of the worst IU 927 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,500 wide receiving Corps is performances I've ever seen. 928 00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:12,500 Yeah, and you know, it's almost like it can't be that bad as it 929 00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:13,900 was last year this upcoming year. 930 00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:16,000 Like it almost physically can't be. 931 00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:20,000 If it is, then there's real real problems that have probably have 932 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000 to get get addressed immediately one. 933 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,500 Random quarterback, who I trust right wide. 934 00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:25,600 Receiver thing is think about when you were talking about 935 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,700 Macaulay with Zach transferring him over, you know? 936 00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:31,700 It is funny. It's like this is almost like in 937 00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:34,400 the old Football were like you move up to the next level of 938 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,700 recruiting? It's like oh, we're recruiting 939 00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:38,700 just an athlete now like oh you can just move a guy from like 940 00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:41,100 quarterback to wide receiver. It's like in the old NCAA games, 941 00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:43,600 you could just do that you recruited as an athlete and just 942 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,400 figure out where to put them and it's like, they're does feel 943 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,100 like, oh it. We now have athletes, we can 944 00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:50,300 just move from quarterback to wide receiver, but I hope that 945 00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:52,400 he can help provide something there. 946 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,400 But I'm with you that if we see the same performances on skill 947 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,500 level, that's not going to be good. 948 00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:01,700 I'm also very curious just at a high level, you know, the only 949 00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:04,600 High-level coordinator, that's coming back. 950 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,100 Is your offensive line coordinator? 951 00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:10,400 Which has maybe been the worst bright performing sector of IU 952 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,100 football, for at least the entirety of his career that has 953 00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,900 to improve like that is something where no matter, how 954 00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:20,300 good you are, you need time to throw the ball. 955 00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:24,000 You need time to get Guys open and that just has to improve. 956 00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:29,700 Yeah, well lots of questions and look, normally we go into a lot 957 00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:33,400 more statistical detail. And I'm almost at the point 958 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,500 where it's like, what would detail we're going to go into 959 00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:39,900 last year, like every single metric show that Indiana stunk 960 00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:42,500 last year is that an indicator of what's going to happen this 961 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:43,500 year? I don't think so. 962 00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:48,100 The big, you know, in so much of Indiana's success or failure is 963 00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:51,600 going to be based on relativity. How are they relative to 964 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,600 Illinois who had a surprisingly good season last year, but 965 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,100 fired, their offensive coordinator? 966 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,100 How good are they going to be relative to Rutgers who had for 967 00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:01,700 them a magical season? But lost most of their offensive 968 00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:03,300 line, Still doesn't have a quarterback. 969 00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:06,500 How good are they going to be versus or compared to Maryland? 970 00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:08,500 Who had finally the Breakthrough season? 971 00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:10,000 They wanted out of Mike locksley? 972 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,400 They make it to a bowl game. Are they that good? 973 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,900 Or will they regress? Michigan State, who had a great 974 00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:16,700 season last year? Will they regress? 975 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,000 I mean, Nebraska, who, everybody's like, I mean, is 976 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,700 Scott Frost is going to be the coach when Indiana is in 977 00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:24,900 Nebraska. The first weekend, are they 978 00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:26,700 going to be bad or they going to be good? 979 00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:31,600 And Indiana, is weirdly kind of a wild card if you assume that 980 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,000 they're not Not as bad as they showed that they were last year 981 00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:38,900 and I need just like I need evidence that they're better. 982 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,100 I need evidence that they're actually that bad. 983 00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:45,100 So if you they're not that bad then suddenly it's like well 984 00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:48,300 okay those that's five that's five games. 985 00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:49,600 Well isn't that right there right? 986 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,000 Plus you got Purdue if you throw them in the mix and then you got 987 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,500 your non-conference games. Like if Indiana actually is 988 00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:58,700 better and they put it back together and they figured out 989 00:47:58,700 --> 00:48:00,800 something that works and they play within themselves. 990 00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:05,000 I'm not Acting five, six, seven wins, but certainly that seems a 991 00:48:05,008 --> 00:48:07,500 lot more feasible than if you just come in saying. 992 00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:11,200 Well, we're obviously just a to win team that has a very hard 993 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,100 ceiling above like three or four winds. 994 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,800 I agree with you. It in a weird thought 995 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,000 experiment. I was doing a couple of days ago 996 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,500 is if you just take last year's team again kind of looking at 997 00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:23,900 this schedule and kind of what's ahead of us if you take last 998 00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:26,000 year's team in the feeling you had going into last remember you 999 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,800 and I had the talk. I think I thought we would win 1000 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,800 at Iowa and lose the Cincinnati at home. 1001 00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:32,900 You were flipped but each of us thought, Thought we were going 1002 00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:35,700 to clear a pretty high barrier with that teams. 1003 00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:37,900 We both came in confident that we both had is like seven or 1004 00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:40,600 eight wins. If you take last year's team and 1005 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,400 just plug it in right now and this year's schedule just going 1006 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,700 to go through it. Home in Illinois would be a win 1007 00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:48,200 Idaho win. The Western Kentucky would win 1008 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,400 at Cincinnati. I think, based on last year's 1009 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,100 team with this year. Cincinnati, I think we win that 1010 00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:54,400 game at Nebraska. Then we can beat Nebraska, 1011 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,100 Michigan is a maybe, but it's like again. 1012 00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:57,900 I know he wouldn't play them back to back years at home, but 1013 00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,500 it's like, we're going off of theoretically, the 2020 that we 1014 00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:05,200 just beat Michigan in that were in that in my weird alternate 1015 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,600 universe. Like, so that's a toss-up, but 1016 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,700 let's give it a win. You have Maryland Rutgers like 1017 00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,800 if I took last year's team on this year's schedule I think 1018 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,000 we're eight know before we get to that Penn State game on 1019 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,200 November fit. And I know this is a weird 1020 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,000 thought process but it's like they're very weird, very weird. 1021 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,300 But this schedule it doesn't give you that like, oh my God, 1022 00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:27,600 like to your point if we're not as bad as we were last year 1023 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,300 suddenly the and people kind of come to regression this, I'm not 1024 00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:33,100 saying we're going to To go ain't no that's not going to 1025 00:49:33,107 --> 00:49:37,500 happen but in the end it goes back to the initial thought. 1026 00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:41,000 Like I'm not sure we were as high-flying as we were in 2020. 1027 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,100 I'm probably not as bad as were in 2021, it is funny. 1028 00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:48,300 I look at the 2020 thing and you know, with, you know, all the 1029 00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:49,700 stuff beginning of last year's here. 1030 00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:51,600 What have you done the win? The Big Ten, this year has gone 1031 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,400 to, you know, what have you done to beat Illinois. 1032 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,200 I think it's good. And you've mentioned to like, 1033 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,600 you know, just the too much noise, too much hype and it 1034 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,000 makes me think of like I think it was Greek without the Icarus 1035 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,400 was Greek mythology. Icarus Icarus. 1036 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,700 You'll find too close to Sun kids? 1037 00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:07,200 We don't know what read your books but it's it is funny how 1038 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,000 like 4,000 years ago or three thousand years ago. 1039 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,200 There's these Proverbs where it's like it still holds a lot 1040 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,300 of water today like that. It does feel like 20 21 was kind 1041 00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:19,100 of our Collective like your reader mobile. 1042 00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:21,800 We will too close to the sun. It's like you're now paying 1043 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,900 Penance for that but anyway you look at last year's team this 1044 00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,300 year schedule. It's not in you know just a 1045 00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:30,800 thought process were like it just doesn't look that 1046 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,500 frightening but You do need some of those elements from 2020 to 1047 00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:37,900 carry over into new people. We'll go ahead and wrap up 1048 00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:40,000 there. But one question for us from Dan 1049 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,500 Corral. This actually goes back to the 1050 00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:44,200 Big Ten conversation we were having, but he asks, why is the 1051 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,200 Big Ten TV deal and all currents were Stevie teals astronomical? 1052 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,700 Despite the fact that more and more people are cutting the 1053 00:50:50,707 --> 00:50:54,200 cord, is it simply the sports of the only thing left live. 1054 00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:57,200 And so due to supply, demand laws, the price skyrockets or is 1055 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,800 it something else? Well, a couple of things, one 1056 00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:04,200 people are cutting the cord. But a lot of the people cutting 1057 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,300 the cord aren't sports, fans or weren't sports fans. 1058 00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:09,100 I mean, there aren't a lot of people who like sports that 1059 00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:11,600 don't have some kind of media service, right? 1060 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:17,100 So, a lot of the, the leakage in network television has been in 1061 00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:22,600 Entertainment Television or in news where, you know, and less. 1062 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,100 It's a Fox News where, you know, you're going to get like a 1063 00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:28,600 locked in audience, you know? I mean, like, you'd rather turn 1064 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,800 on Netflix and watch chef's table or whatever. 1065 00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:34,900 Ever than, you know, turn on whatever the Cooking Channel or 1066 00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:37,500 something like that, but you don't get that with sports. 1067 00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:40,900 Like, you have to have the ability to watch the games live 1068 00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:43,700 and, and that's where they matter and advertising live 1069 00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:46,400 advertising pays a lot of money and more. 1070 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,800 So now I think proportionally specifically in Sports 1071 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,400 Programming because it's such a desirable demographic and it's 1072 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,500 growing as a desirable demographic because it's so many 1073 00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:59,700 more women that are watching live, sporting events than were 1074 00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:01,800 25 30 years ago. So that's really why. 1075 00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:05,600 The deals are astronomical because people are still making 1076 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,400 money and as much as the traditional Cable model is 1077 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,100 disintegrated, and people aren't streaming to the same degree. 1078 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,000 The ones that are streaming are the ones that were already 1079 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,500 watching sports back in the old system. 1080 00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:18,400 So you really haven't lost any audience. 1081 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,200 You've lost over all audience, but not this audience. 1082 00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:23,900 And I would just say people like sports and they're gonna follow 1083 00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:26,900 Sport and and sports is one of those things where like if 1084 00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:30,000 you're into, you know, cooking battle shows, you could, you 1085 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,800 know, you could cut the cord and not becomes. 1086 00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:34,300 Able to watch Hell's Kitchen. But then you can watch like a 1087 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,100 pretty close replica on Netflix, whereas, you know, like, is it 1088 00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:39,800 cake is kind of similar, you watch nailed it hurts. 1089 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,800 Like there's a thousand variations of the see, whether 1090 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,100 it's a CSI, drummers like, there's a different variations 1091 00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:47,200 in different places. Whereas Sports, it's very 1092 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,600 decisive. You're into college football 1093 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,000 here in the Big Ten football. You can't just be like ABS watch 1094 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,900 darts instead. It's like there is no like well 1095 00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:54,800 it's a sport. I'm gonna watch. 1096 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,400 You know? Professional cornhole it's like 1097 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,800 well sir. That is not that it is a sport. 1098 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,200 Yes, I could just watch, you know, like croquet but like that 1099 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,100 is not Watch this and like, I want this branded sport, it's 1100 00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:08,300 like, you'd Sports is like the, you know, in the grocery store, 1101 00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:10,500 you want the brand label and you're just not going to go to 1102 00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:13,300 generic, or if you're into cooking shows, you could go to a 1103 00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:14,200 generic. Right? 1104 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,700 Well, and it's actually why I didn't even mention the Premier 1105 00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:19,600 League earlier something that's on peacock, because a while 1106 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,200 there's a lot of Premier League fans that are also u.s. fans, 1107 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,000 they're kind of different than the college football audience. 1108 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,600 It's almost like, you know, it's like the separate thing, but 1109 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,000 it's a great example of, you know, there that's a whole 1110 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,400 audience that didn't exist. Fifteen years ago that exists 1111 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:38,500 now and it's largely now moving to a streaming platform and 1112 00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:41,800 that's a valuable audience and that audience continues to grow. 1113 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,700 And so I look at all of this and I say to myself, ultimately we 1114 00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:50,300 are in a position where you're just not going to see numbers 1115 00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:53,600 with sports go down because it's one of the few bankable things 1116 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,300 right now in media anyway, that'll wrap it up for us. 1117 00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:00,600 Scott always always a pleasure playing a home game here. 1118 00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:04,900 But you know, Welcome back down anytime and we'll get the, the 1119 00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:08,200 not right music going here. As we wrap things up with 1120 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,800 Crimson ever hear the hot take but we never had I don't know. 1121 00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:15,400 Play it now. No green green, Green enough 1122 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,600 green. I'm not gonna die on that. 1123 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,600 Play that anyway. Thanks to all you folks out 1124 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,400 there, thanks to home-field apparel for presenting the show 1125 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,700 and thanks to Scott for coming down and sparing me having to 1126 00:54:25,707 --> 00:54:29,600 set everything up on Zoom. We will be back next week with 1127 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:30,800 more. Are you football talk? 1128 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,400 As we get ready for the start of the Season as they play 1129 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,700 Illinois? I'm Galen klaviyo will catch you 1130 00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:37,900 folks on the flip side? Bring back the Bison. 1131 00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:38,800 So long, everybody.