1 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,480 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:19,440 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cascade 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,400 and Clavio. Joining you. 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:26,040 It's Saturday, January 18th of the year 2025 big win for IU 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,240 men's basketball. Last night is a knock off Ohio 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,840 State. At Ohio State we're going to 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,720 talk with one of our long time Crimson cast listeners and 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,640 occasional contributors who was there and we're going to check 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,040 in with her on what that experience was like. 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,480 It was a wild game. For those of you who are 11 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:46,480 watching on television, I know it was certainly wild. 12 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:50,080 I was watching with some friends at Hard Work Brewing Company in 13 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,600 Bloomington, which if you haven't tried that spot out, I 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,920 would recommend it. A really good beer and a nice 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,760 open space in there and they were nice enough to put the game 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,320 on television. It's actually the second year in 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,760 a row I've been at Hard Work watching Indiana at Ohio State 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,239 and both games have been kind of nuts. 19 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:08,720 Last year, Anthony Leal hits that shot at the end to win and 20 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:13,680 this year a big play at the end of overtime and they end up 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,920 picking up the victory there. So anyway, we're going to talk 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,400 about the game kind of a shorter podcast today. 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,160 So we'll focus on that and looking forward to seeing what 24 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,480 happens here over the next couple of of weeks. 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:31,000 Obviously with IU is it's going to be interesting as we talked 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,600 about in our last podcast, certainly a lot of negative 27 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,680 possibilities, but also some positive possibilities as well 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,000 as this Indiana team is truly talented enough that they could 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,880 win pretty much any game on the schedule. 30 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,800 It's just the consistency that's the issue. 31 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,400 And it was nice to see some of that last night and some some 32 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,880 more fight, especially on the defensive end than what we saw 33 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,200 in the couple of previous games. 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Some of you may may know her 64 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,200 from her time and I use sports media as Ali Hausfeld, but Ali 65 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:34,200 has we've been communicating pretty regularly for the last 66 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,920 like nine years about IU and Ohio State and all these things. 67 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,440 And she was at the game last night. 68 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,880 And this is I feel like you and I, we need to like more fully 69 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:50,000 explain like how the IU Ohio State, like ally perspective on 70 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,200 things has blossomed here over the last year especially. 71 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,600 So like, tell, tell the people, first of all, like where you're 72 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,080 positioned in all of this right now because it's fascinating to 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,680 me. First of all, if you're if 74 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,000 you're watching on the video, I am supporting my supporting my 75 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,720 Back home network T-shirt. So I'm really pumped to be on 76 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,320 the podcast for the first time. I was actually a Christmas 77 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,680 present for my sister. You sniffed your notes. 78 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,000 Where to shop? This is good. 79 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:16,480 So oh. Yeah. 80 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,000 Oh yeah. So I graduated from IU in 2016. 81 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,120 Not yet the media school. I was actually part of the 82 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,920 School of Public Health, so I always like to laugh about my 83 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,360 Bachelor of Science in Kinesiology. 84 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,440 Something you and I share. That was where I taught before 85 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,800 the media school launched. So that's where we met each 86 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:38,880 other, yes. Yes. 87 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,520 So I moved to Toledo, OH after graduation and worked for the 88 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,520 CBS affiliate there as a reporter. 89 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:52,040 And I met my now husband there who played football at Ohio 90 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,800 State. We ended up moving back to 91 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,280 Columbus. Well, I hadn't been in Columbus, 92 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:59,600 but in 2019. So I've been living here since 93 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,120 2019. He now works for the radio 94 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,320 station here doing some Ohio State football commentary. 95 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,760 They don't talk about basketball that often, but whenever they 96 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,120 do, I'm like, hey, here's what you need to know. 97 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,560 Here are your tidbits. Because, you know, I'm trying to 98 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,000 watch Big 10 basketball as much as I can, but so I always try to 99 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,560 catch IU when they're in Columbus. 100 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,360 But obviously not the result I wanted on the football side. 101 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,200 But I'll take the I'll take, I'll take the win last night. 102 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,440 And I was at the game last year when they came back in the 103 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,720 second-half with my brother and we both said that that was one 104 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,880 of our favorite IU away games that we had ever been to. 105 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,360 Regardless of what was happening during that season, it was just 106 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,520 an exhilarating comeback. It's interesting 'cause you 107 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,120 know, I think we've all experienced this. 108 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,080 If we followed IU for any length of time, and especially if we've 109 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,240 been to Rd. games, you can have seasons that just aren't going 110 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,240 well and then you'll have a game where it's like, wow, that was 111 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,040 incredible. Or like, how did, how did that 112 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,040 work out the way that it did? Happens at home too. 113 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,160 I remember like the first time I think that IU won against 114 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,240 Wisconsin under Tom Crean, it was like it was not a great 115 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,000 season. It was like it was 2014 and it 116 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,600 was like a double overtime game. And it's like, where did that 117 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,760 come from? And, and, and so maybe I'm 118 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,760 mixing that up with the first time Archie Miller beat 119 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,640 Washington or Wisconsin. I can't quite tell, but yeah, a, 120 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,360 a, a fascinating game last year when Indiana went to Ohio State 121 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,960 and not too different in terms of like some of the 122 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,880 implications. You know, that was a game where 123 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:33,600 Indiana had lost, I think for their previous five last year. 124 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,240 They go in, there's not a lot of hope and they play Ohio State 125 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,480 pretty tough. And then they end up with a 126 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,200 chance at the end and and a big shot gets knocked down by 127 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,000 Anthony Leal. And that was kind of the last. 128 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,240 That was like the last straw, it felt like, for the Chris 129 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,920 Holtzman era. Yeah, at Ohio State, 'cause he 130 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,280 got fired not terribly long after that, right? 131 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,120 Yeah, No, they had one more game on the road after that, but that 132 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,440 was like their last home game. I mean, we bought tickets the 133 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,120 day of. We were like 6th row. 134 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,840 I think they were like $10 apiece. 135 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:05,200 I mean, people had at that point in Columbus had had kind of 136 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,400 given up. So when when IU was down by, I 137 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,480 think it was 18 in the second-half, I was like, all 138 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,360 right, well, this. OK, We had some technical 139 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,760 difficulties there. Sorry for that, But we're back. 140 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,320 I think we're good to go. And we were talking about it was 141 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:21,680 the end of the Chris Holtman era. 142 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,760 Last time you were at the game essentially like right 143 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,320 afterwards and there wasn't a lot of, I am curious before we 144 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,960 move on, like how many people generally go to basketball games 145 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,720 at Ohio State when they're not like a top ten team? 146 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,080 I mean, even last night, like the the upper section, it's such 147 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,080 an interesting arena because it reminds me so much more of an 148 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,360 NBA arena. It's a very comfortable place to 149 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,800 watch a basketball game. And that's something that Dana 150 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,040 and I talk about often is like, maybe if it wasn't so 151 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,720 comfortable, it wouldn't be so quiet in here because it's like 152 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,480 you're just, it's almost like you're just like enjoying the 153 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,440 viewing experience, like you're not a fan of the game, like 154 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,240 you're not as close to the court. 155 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,640 And it's kind of spread out more. 156 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,680 It's a great venue for concerts. But yeah, like the 300 level, I 157 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,000 mean, you could sit anywhere you want it up there. 158 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,720 There was barely anyone there last night and we went to the 159 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,400 game against Oregon. I mean, same thing. 160 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,080 They just don't have a ton of excitement around that program 161 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,760 until they have, you know, a a ranked number by by their their 162 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,120 school. And it's been a weird year for 163 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,680 them this year where they they've beaten Kentucky on a 164 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,640 neutral floor and they beat Texas. 165 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,280 But then they've, they've had other games where they've 166 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,919 struggled and, and obviously, you know, they're under a new 167 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:40,080 coaching staff and you know, they're, they're, it looked like 168 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,640 they were in really good shape from a, a net perspective. 169 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,480 And I think they're like a 30th in Kenpom. 170 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,800 And this was a game that according to the numbers, 171 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,200 Indiana wasn't supposed to win. You know, I think Ohio State was 172 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,440 something like a 5 or 5 1/2 point favorite. 173 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,640 So we obviously saw what happened with Indiana in the 174 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,960 last couple of games, particularly that Illinois game. 175 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,760 So what are you thinking going into the arena in this game? 176 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:07,000 I mean, honestly, I just, I wasn't that excited about it, 177 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,400 but I guess I was less anxious than I think I normally would 178 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,240 have been if we weren't coming off of 225 point losses only 179 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,360 because it's like, well, it can't really get any worse. 180 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:21,080 You know, it can't get worse than what, than what we've seen 181 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,320 the last two games. So part of me was like, I just 182 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,240 think that like that Illinois game had to be some sort of 183 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,040 breaking point. I mean, we heard it after the 184 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,120 game from Lou Goody and Anthony Leal. 185 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:36,520 And I was like, I I just doubt that they don't show up in this 186 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,560 game. Whether them showing up is going 187 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:42,080 to be enough to win, it kind of just depends which Ohio State 188 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,240 team shows up. Yeah. 189 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,680 And for, I mean, let's talk about Indiana first. 190 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:49,800 I mean, they, they certainly showed up, although it was, it 191 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,640 was interesting how that manifested because, you know, 192 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,160 Luke Goody, I think ends up with a season high in minutes and 193 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:00,200 was, you know, offensively, you know, you could probably say he 194 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,320 was the key player, but it was really close to the Omar Balo, 195 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,280 who also played a significant number of minutes, both of like 196 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,400 Balo played 40, Luke Goody played 41. 197 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,520 You know, Balo had 21 points and 15 rebounds. 198 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,200 Goody hit 4 threes in the game and all of his free throws. 199 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,560 And like, you could tell on television and I'm curious what 200 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:22,520 it was like there. Like, it really felt like those 201 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,680 two in particular were just kind of dragging Indiana up the hill, 202 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,280 especially as they started to make that comeback coming out of 203 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,920 the first half and into the second-half. 204 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:37,200 Yeah, I felt like there were still things during that game 205 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,720 that were the same things that have frustrated fans this whole 206 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,040 season, like the shot selection at times getting driven. 207 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,600 The amount of and ones that Ohio State had was just infuriating. 208 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,840 But I just felt like the intensity was there, you know, 209 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,440 like Ohio State would punch and Goody even talked about this 210 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,280 after the game. Like if you're going to get down 211 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,920 6 points, we can't just give up. I felt like they're the the 212 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,880 defensive intensity was there, even though there were still 213 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,320 lapses of of people ball watching and losing their guy. 214 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,560 And then there's an open 3. But I just felt like every time 215 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:16,080 they would go back, especially to the defensive end, it was 216 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,640 like they were still bringing that intensity. 217 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,640 That was just straight up nuts. Yeah, no, it was, it was 218 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,520 interesting because one of the things about this IU team that's 219 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,360 been frustrating is you never know when the intensity is going 220 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,760 to come. And there's games where it just 221 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,120 doesn't happen at all. Or there's games like Illinois 222 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,440 where it it's not there in the first half and then it's there 223 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,440 in the second-half for a little bit and then it kind of goes 224 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,680 away again. This game, this game was pretty 225 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:45,080 even to start with. You know, we got to about the 10 226 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,440 minute mark and I think it was 1816 or 1818 and it was like, 227 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,440 OK, well this is going to be one of those just back and forth 228 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,240 types of games. And then Ohio State goes on this 229 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,960 run and I think at one point they were up nine. 230 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,320 It was like 30 or maybe it was, I take that back, it was 3326, 231 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,920 so they were up 7, but it felt like things could really tip 232 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,240 over for Indiana at that point. I think Ohio State was at their 233 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,040 highest winning percentage, which was at like 89.2%, which 234 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,680 is normally pretty hard to come back from. 235 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,560 Did you feel like at halftime Indiana had it in them to come 236 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:20,000 back in this game, or did it feel like things had started to 237 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,240 unravel at that point? I mean, honestly, it's such an 238 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,560 interesting thing again, watching the game there because 239 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:33,720 I didn't feel like the crowd was going to take IU out of it until 240 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,600 Ohio State started going on that run with like 3 minutes left in 241 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,400 the game and IU couldn't score. Then. 242 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,160 Then it seemed like they were a little rattled by the crowd 243 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,240 because that was the first time we'd really heard that. 244 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,720 But at halftime, I mean, I'm like, OK, Miles Rice sat what, 245 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,120 16 minutes of that half? I, I still felt like being down 246 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,920 6 at that point with the abysmal shooting performance that we 247 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,680 saw. I was like, OK, I don't, I don't 248 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:02,920 think they can't come back from this. 249 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,000 Yeah, and I mean, and the second-half was really 250 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,240 fascinating because, you know, Indiana comes out and they get 251 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,640 all the way back in, they tie the game, they start to take the 252 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,800 lead, and then they just blow it wide open with about 7 minutes 253 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,080 to go, you know, And I think at one point it was it was tied or 254 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,960 close to Tide. I think it was 5554 Ohio State. 255 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:28,040 And then what, 3-4 minutes later, it was 6858 Indiana. 256 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,240 And you're like, oh, this is great. 257 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,120 They've won the game. There's 5 minutes to go, They're 258 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,040 going to coast to victory here. And then as you said that that 259 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,280 that comeback happens Ohio State over the last like 3 minutes of 260 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,440 the game and the first part of overtime was on a 12 or one run. 261 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,480 And it's like, how did this happen again? 262 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,680 Like how did Indiana get themselves into this position 263 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:48,400 again? You know, just just getting the 264 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,120 the game to overtime kind of felt like a little bit of a of 265 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,640 an accomplishment given how many shots Ohio State had at winning 266 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,520 it in regulation. I would say yes, but also those 267 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,640 like that, those 3 bunnies that were missed in a row, one by 268 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,120 Goody and then two by Balo at the end, I'm like, oh, like 269 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,480 we're right there. Like just take it. 270 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,720 I, I just, I guess I even felt like even with that scoring 271 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,320 drought, like there were two moments in the second-half where 272 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,440 I was like, OK, this, this team showed up in a different way 273 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,240 today. One was when it was like 274 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:28,680 Galloway left Mobley for a wide open 3 at the top of the key. 275 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,760 And it was, I think it was Bolo who was shooting free throws the 276 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,680 next possession after that, the entire time that he was shooting 277 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,720 the free throws, Goody was just shouting at Trey Galloway. 278 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,520 And I was like, I don't, I don't know if you've heard that, Like, 279 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,120 I don't know if it's a meme or like a TikTok sound like the 280 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,800 girls are fighting. I like I said to Dane, I was 281 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,600 like, uh oh, the boys are fighting. 282 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,440 But I was like, that is something that like, I don't 283 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,240 know if you could see it on the broadcast, but I mean, it lasted 284 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,480 over a minute. And I'm like, that is like the 285 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,040 kind of attention to detail that this team has lacked. 286 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,880 And then another point was when Bella went up for that defensive 287 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,920 rebound, he came down and he like, came down awkwardly on his 288 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,720 back and he slid and they ended up calling a travel. 289 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,880 But like, the reaction from him, it was not just like, OK, like, 290 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,840 let's move on it. Like he was so mad and then he 291 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,360 was arguing with the ref after that that he got shoved. 292 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,400 They showed the replay. He didn't get touched. 293 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,440 But but I was like, you know, that is like the type of 294 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,600 intensity that like, even if you're going to get driven, like 295 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,560 it's fine, but like, show us that you're showing up in this 296 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,520 game. And I felt like those two big 297 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:43,160 moments, I was like, this is what fans want to see from this 298 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,800 team regardless of what happens the rest of the season. 299 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,720 Like bring that that intensity. Yeah, I know. 300 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,080 That was absolutely something that had it. 301 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,800 It appeared in my mind as well. And it's the thing. 302 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,280 I mean, I think so much of Luke Goody's worth on the team is 303 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,760 kind of interpreted through how many shots he's hitting from 304 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,680 outside. And yet this is I mean, we saw 305 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,880 this in Atlantis. Like he would have moments where 306 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,480 he would go over and kind of yell at at some of the guys like 307 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,880 you got to do this and this it is it is interesting that he's 308 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,840 had to come in from outside in a lot of cases and and bring that. 309 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,040 There's probably some items that we could pull on there on 310 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,920 another day to talk about. But I, you know, it is, it is 311 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,440 fascinating watching him kind of grow into a very vocal 312 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,040 leadership role. And it's kind of happening right 313 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,800 all around the same time that his numbers are getting back up 314 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,520 to what they were last year. Like with the performance last 315 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:43,760 night, he's at 38.4% from three on the season and he's shooting 316 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,680 46% from three in conference play. 317 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,400 Last year he shot 39% from three for the season, but only 37% in 318 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,120 conference place. So we'll see how that meters 319 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,040 out, but that that bodes well, especially since he's starting 320 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,080 regularly now with Malik Renew out of the line up. 321 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,560 I I wanted to hit on before we get to what happened in the 322 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,880 overtime. I haven't watched that much Ohio 323 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:13,000 State this year, but I was I'm amazed at a how talented some of 324 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,440 their players are individually, but B, the number of absolutely 325 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,880 like ridiculously terrible shots that they put up. 326 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,680 Like I think there were three threes they took that didn't hit 327 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,520 the rim, just just termed off the glass and went a different 328 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,520 direction. I I think I see that once a game 329 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,800 maybe, but not three times and not from the same guy each time. 330 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,920 Which is it felt like they were all coming from Mobley 331 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,520 yesterday. Yeah, they're a wildly 332 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,240 inconsistent team. Like the game before they played 333 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:46,400 IU, they were down at Wisconsin by 17 at halftime and you know, 334 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,120 we're right in it ended up losing by two, had a chance to 335 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:51,840 win. Bruce Thornton himself is such a 336 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:57,760 talented player. I mean, the he just abused IU on 337 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,560 on defense and their their inability to recover when he was 338 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,120 driving on them. But yeah, Mobley's good and 339 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:09,320 Thornton's good. Bradshaw has been like wildly 340 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,440 inconsistent. I felt like Kentucky, like they 341 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,720 seem to be an odd team in the fact that like the Kentucky game 342 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,880 felt really emotional for them because of that's where Bradshaw 343 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,200 came from. And I felt like they came out 344 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,200 with so much intensity and and purpose in that game. 345 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,240 They have talented players. The Dmiti Johnson situation is a 346 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,760 is an odd one. And who knows if he'll end up 347 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,440 coming back, but I I think that like he would add a whole other 348 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:43,480 element to this team, but then struggling like inside and 349 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,800 really having like a center, I think it's just going to a true 350 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,800 center is going to make it really hard for them to plan in 351 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,560 the Big 10. Yeah, it's tough. 352 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,400 I mean, they've lost all the games they've lost this year had 353 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,160 been to teams that were in like the top 35 of Ken Pot. 354 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,920 I mean, they've lost to Texas A&M on the road pit by one point 355 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,160 at home. They got blown out at Maryland, 356 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,880 which is weird. They lose to Auburn, which 357 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,480 everybody loses to Auburn. MI State, who's good at home, 358 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,960 Oregon at home. The game you were at that 359 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,320 Wisconsin game. And you know, from the numbers 360 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,480 perspective, this was the first game they lost to a team outside 361 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,400 of that realm. And and yet they almost won it. 362 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,960 And you know, you, you look at that overtime period and the 363 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,000 first couple of minutes overtime, it looked like Indiana 364 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,120 was just dead in the water. I don't know what it was like 365 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:31,720 from your perspective in your comfortable seats watching the 366 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,640 game, but it just, it kind of felt like Indiana had like was a 367 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,360 spent force at that point and Ohio State had gotten their mojo 368 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:38,600 back and was going to coast with it. 369 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,520 Yeah, there were a few offensive possessions at the beginning of 370 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,080 overtime, like what is going on here? 371 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:51,880 And I, I mean, I just think that Ohio State was a lacking purpose 372 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,600 on the offensive end. And maybe that that just was the 373 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,920 difference in in IU being able to to finish it out. 374 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,040 But yeah, overtime, the first half of it, it felt like Ohio 375 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,720 State had all the momentum. Then IU grabbed a little bit of 376 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,040 it and then it was like, hey, let's hold on for dear life 377 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,400 here. Yeah, and the just the way that 378 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,840 the overtime flowed, yeah. I don't, I, I look at those win 379 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,040 probability charts a lot. You rarely do you see a game 380 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,520 where one team has a a nearly 90% winning chance in the first 381 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,880 half, The other team gets all the way up to a 95% winning 382 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,560 chance in the second-half with like 3 minutes to play. 383 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,160 Then the other team comes back and has an 82% win chance. 384 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,560 And then it ends up that the other team ends up winning the 385 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,400 game. It was, it was so hard to 386 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,200 follow. I was fascinated, I guess, by 387 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,320 two things. Like one, neither team really 388 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,840 seemed to know exactly what it wanted to do in the overtime. 389 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,360 Indiana was was fortunate in a lot of ways in terms of like how 390 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:52,160 the last couple of possessions played out. 391 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,000 I'm still trying to figure out what the plan was for IU. 392 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,960 It couldn't have been on that last possession. 393 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,960 They couldn't have really wanted Canon Carlisle to be the one 394 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,080 dribbling the basketball. I don't know why a Miles Rice 395 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,760 wasn't in the game. Mike Woodson was pissed with 396 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,160 that play. But I'm like, I this is exactly 397 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,640 what you set up at the beginning. 398 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,440 I'm not sure what you have to be mad about here. 399 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,480 I thought that that that was such an interesting possession 400 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,640 because like they had been stubbing rice out on the 401 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,360 defensive end, but then they never subbed him back in for 402 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:28,000 that offensive possession. And I wanted to stand up in my 403 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,400 seat and say, wait, is Rice supposed to be in right now? 404 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,800 Like what is going on? So I was just a little confused 405 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,440 by that because I do think that I, and I'll give Mike Woodson 406 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,040 credit, I felt like the the substitutions, other than maybe 407 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,120 leaving Miles Rice out the entire first half were so much 408 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:49,680 better in this game. Like I know that Goody and Balo 409 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,320 played the entire second-half in overtime, but I felt like they 410 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,320 needed to. So I just I thought that that 411 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,280 was interesting. I mean, it was the same thing 412 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,280 with like the the end of regulation where he had clearly 413 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,640 drawn up a play. You know, I'm watching him. 414 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,320 They're waiting until there's about like 10 seconds left on 415 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,000 the shot clock. He like tells everybody to go 416 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,680 and then it ends up with Rice just like dribbling into a, a 417 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,080 mid range jumper that he missed. I was like, I just, I'm not sure 418 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,280 what the plan was here, but I I don't know why that that ball 419 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,640 didn't go to Bolo. Yeah, I mean, it was a really 420 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,880 short bench for IU. Only seven guys played total and 421 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,000 and we basically didn't see Mackenzie and Baco for the 422 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,360 entire second-half or overtime. They were, I think he played a 423 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:34,680 couple of minutes at the beginning. 424 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,760 We didn't see Miles Rice. Miles Rice played 15 minutes, 425 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,280 Langdon Hatton played five. It was a really tight bench, 426 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,800 which is probably, I mean the guys that played and I think 427 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,440 Anthony Leo playing 31 minutes is, is an indicator of a lot of 428 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,080 things. But it, it is really 429 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,120 interesting, you know, shortening the bench and and 430 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:56,240 sticking with this group like it. 431 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,720 It does feel like if they get proper spacing offensively, they 432 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,680 get enough, just enough defensively out of that group 433 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,720 that they can pull off some victories. 434 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:09,080 And that last sequence that that got Indiana, what ended up being 435 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,800 the winning basket was a good example. 436 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,840 I mean, you know, they get a a decent shot at the rim. 437 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,680 It doesn't go in, but Omar Balo gets the rebound and immediately 438 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,760 cites Luke Goody, who's well spaced over in the corner, 439 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,960 knocks the three down. And I mean, I don't think 440 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,680 anybody thought those were the last points that were going to 441 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,200 be scored. That was at the minute 7 second 442 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,400 mark. And it was like, you know, the 443 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,480 next possession, Mobley hits or misses the three in the next 444 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,560 position. Indiana has the the turnover and 445 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,360 then Ohio State gets an opportunity. 446 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,000 I still don't know what Ohio State thought they were supposed 447 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,720 to be doing on that last offensive possession that was 448 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,120 they waited so long to get it going. 449 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,320 Anthony Leo made a great defensive play. 450 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,800 And yet, even with that, Bruce Thornton had a wide open look 451 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,600 that went halfway down and somehow came back out again. 452 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,360 We were on the behind the basket on the opposite end, So I felt 453 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:04,880 like I had like a very clearview of Thornton shooting that three 454 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,800 and I'm like, oh, that looks that looks online and I'm just 455 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,360 like watching like Trey Galloway's on the ground, like 456 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:15,840 he is wide open. So I mean I just yeah, that was 457 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,040 a a messy possession. I thought that, you know, it was 458 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,280 going to be a great story to end the game with Leo having that 459 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,880 lockdown, defensive possession. And when Thornton got that wide 460 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,680 open look, I was like, oh, no, this narrative could change 461 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,200 really quickly. I I'm glad it didn't, obviously, 462 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,840 but that was yeah, that. Yeah, it was, it was, it was 463 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,960 wild to watch 'cause I as soon as he put it up, I was like, 464 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,560 that's going in. Like the only hope is that he 465 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,200 didn't get it off in time. And then it, it, it rattled out 466 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,560 and I think he was as surprised as anybody. 467 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,320 Like he he turned around after that shot and was like, I, I 468 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,240 can't believe that didn't go in. So yeah, I mean, it was were 469 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,120 there other IU fans in the arena? 470 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,640 Like was was there any other corner reaction on that? 471 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,280 Yes. I mean, I just thought of this, 472 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,640 but it felt like the like tale of two messes, like both teams 473 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,760 were just like just a mess. But there were a decent amount 474 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,200 of IU fans. It's there was a funny family in 475 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,880 front of us where the mom was the IU grad, the dad was the 476 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,680 Ohio State grad and the kids with them were Ohio State fans. 477 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,840 And I was looking a Dane. And I'm like, is this my future? 478 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,040 Like just me just rooting, you know, being the only one here, 479 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,000 like rooting for IU. And then I was actually sitting 480 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,520 next to a girl who I didn't talk to her until like, you know, 481 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,880 halfway through the second-half, but she's wearing all white. 482 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,080 It was a whiteout. We'll come to find out. 483 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,760 She's a Purdue grad. She's a Purdue fan. 484 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,280 And she just, she just came to the game to root against IU. 485 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:50,920 So I feel like that was like a that was honestly like a tale of 486 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,800 of the crowd, like the students were standing. 487 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,600 And I mean, they got loud when Ohio State started to go on that 488 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,600 run to end regulation. But it was just so odd in there. 489 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,280 It's just such a weird environment because I do think 490 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,440 that like during timeouts, you know, they do fun games on the 491 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,440 video board and it's loud. And I'm like, this crowd could 492 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,840 make an impact on this game because clearly when they're 493 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,600 getting loud, IU was a little flustered on offense. 494 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,600 So I, I don't know, I just, I don't even honestly know what to 495 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,040 make of that game. I just was walking out of there 496 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,320 like I'm just glad that IU won, but what was what was going on? 497 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,240 Yeah, it's a it is. It's a weird 1 to parse 'cause I 498 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,520 mean, you've, you've got to look at that and say, well, give 499 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,280 Indiana a lot of credit because they could have folded up tent 500 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,760 after the last couple of games. But they come out and play with 501 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,040 some some passion and energy and that's good. 502 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,760 It's it actually they they fell a spot in Kenpom. 503 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,720 They went from 57th to 58th and. Didn't they go up one in the 504 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,320 net? Yes, they did. 505 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,080 I mean, the problem is this was a game that statistically 506 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,400 Indiana should have lost, but they ended up winning it, you 507 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,640 know, But it was it was really borderline. 508 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,920 The defense allowed one point O 7 points per possession, which 509 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,760 does not help their overall number there. 510 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,680 And their offense, well, fine, was kind of subpar, I think from 511 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,840 what it would have been expected. 512 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,920 It's it's one of those games where you can kind of read 513 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,880 whatever you want into it. There's a lot of people in the 514 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,880 IU fanbase who have kind of shrugged their shoulders and 515 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,800 said, all right, well, hey, they won great. 516 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,560 There's some people who are like, see the, the season's got 517 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,160 a long way to go. And then there's other people 518 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,840 who are like this, this changes nothing. 519 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,040 I don't know where to land on all of that. 520 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,880 It was one of the better offensive performances Indiana 521 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,720 had relative to opponent cause Ohio State is normally a lot 522 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,440 better at stopping teams from scoring. 523 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,760 So I think Indiana gets a lot of credit for that. 524 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,640 You know, and and you look across a lot of the statistical 525 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,600 trends we've talked about on the show, they were very present in 526 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,000 that game, right down to IU not turning the ball over, but not 527 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,200 turning Ohio State over either, which is something that they 528 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,280 tend to they tend to get turned over a little bit more. 529 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,520 So I don't know it it's one of those games where now Indiana 530 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,480 plays an opponent that's kind of on their level with Northwestern 531 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,960 coming up here in the middle part of this upcoming week on 532 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,480 the road. Can they maintain that same 533 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,240 level of energy? I think I read somewhere that 534 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,720 Mike Woodson's yet to beat Chris Collins, you know, in a, in a 535 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,040 head to head matchup, which that's a weird stat, but you 536 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,320 know, but it feels like I don't, I know Indiana's played 537 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,840 Northwestern at home, but it feels like Indiana only plays 538 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,280 Northwestern in Evanston. I, I don't know why, but it's 539 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,040 like every time in the Northwestern schedule, Oh, it's 540 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,880 there. So it, it's again, it's one of 541 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,960 those things, like you said, where there has to be 542 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,840 consistency. They have to sustain this. 543 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,400 If you can go in and win at Ohio State, who's certainly more 544 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,840 talented than the North than Northwestern is, I don't know 545 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,320 why you couldn't go into Northwestern and win that game, 546 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,800 but it's going to require that same degree of effort. 547 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,800 I just feel like, I mean, even going back to the the RT Miller 548 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,680 era, I feel like there are just some teams in the big 10 that IU 549 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,600 should beat, but it just like never happens. 550 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,600 It's like why Northwestern? I mean, that's why that that win 551 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,200 at the Palestra felt so good because I was like, this is just 552 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,880 like finally, like playing at Penn State has just been 553 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,040 terrible for IU in the past. But you know, I, I feel like I 554 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,280 obviously felt very negative about where the season was 555 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,480 headed after the, the two games before this. 556 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,160 But I will say, like my first game watching in person, the the 557 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,400 energy coming from the bench to me was more than I've seen on 558 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,720 TV. And I was very impressed with 559 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,480 just like the way that people were up and I mean the, the 560 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:46,560 level of intensity, but I'm like, just just keep doing it 561 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,360 right. No, I think, I think that's what 562 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,080 everybody's saying. It's like, that's great. 563 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,800 I love seeing that. That's got to keep going. 564 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,040 And I, I, I think the jury is still out about whether that's 565 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,080 actually something that's going to continue. 566 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,360 Because again, I felt like we saw that in the game at the 567 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,360 Palestra. I feel like we saw that to some 568 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,640 degree in the game against USC, and then it just kind of 569 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,800 vanished in the next two games. Why? 570 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,560 I don't know. Why was it back for this? 571 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,440 I don't know. You know, maybe maybe this just 572 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,040 ends up being one of those games or the seasons that just is very 573 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,200 schizophrenic the rest of the way. 574 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,480 It's going to be fascinating to watch. 575 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,520 One of my favorite things from watching in person. 576 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,440 That and I, they mentioned this every game, every time there's a 577 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,880 new broadcast team, I feel like they feel like they have to talk 578 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,000 about Umar Bala's free throws and the switching of the hand 579 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,520 and the thank you to Calvert Chaney. 580 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,680 But I was watching Calvert Chaney whenever Bala was at the 581 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,160 free throw line and I felt like he was just like willing them to 582 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,000 go in. I've he's just totally forward 583 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000 in his seat, like his hands are crossed. 584 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,040 And I was like, I just, I love that intensity from him. 585 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,200 He's like, this is my, my protege. 586 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,880 Like you got to make these, man. Yeah, it's a sizable difference 587 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,280 shot 49 1/2 percent last year. He's at 59% this year basically. 588 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,960 So that's and and, and better here lately. 589 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,680 I think his, his conference only free throws are up to 61%. 590 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,160 So this is good. This is, this is a, a positive 591 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,360 thing to see alongside of what we saw out of Luke Goody and, 592 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,840 and certainly some good play from some of the other guys out 593 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,120 there as well. Well, well, you're, you've got 594 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,760 to go to every IU Ohio State game at, at in Columbus at this 595 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,600 point, which I know you were going to do anyway. 596 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,800 But I, I have to go back to the same because I've been to the 597 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,000 same bar two years in a row now. And it's not one I go to any 598 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,200 other games for. And, and they've won both of 599 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,080 those games. So now I feel obligated to head 600 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,640 back there now. I know I my only disappointment 601 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,160 is that the the women's team isn't coming to Columbus this 602 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,840 year. We went to that game last year 603 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,080 and that was a frustrating one. Yeah, I I think that that was 604 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,960 really the difference between them being in the race to win 605 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,360 the Big 10 and not it was that was a frustrating 1. 606 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,960 So maybe I'll stay away if they if they do come back. 607 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,080 But but the men's team, I've got a good streak going. 608 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,160 Football. Football, though. 609 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,320 The. Two games I went to were there 610 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,800 two losses, so I will I'll I'll have to enter next season with 611 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,080 caution. I mean, fortunately, the only 612 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,880 time Indiana State would play would be either in the Big 10 613 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,360 title game or the national title game or somewhere in the 614 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,720 playoffs next year. So we got that going for us at 615 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,320 least. Yes, yes. 616 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:31,240 I mean, gosh, I just, I, I loved, and I hate to turn this 617 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,400 to football, but I just loved Kurt Signetti's tweet so much 618 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,120 with his, his notes on his desk, with his rankings. 619 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,280 When, when that's getting brought up in in Ohio State 620 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,960 circles around Columbus, I'm like, I just love that so. 621 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,840 Much. Yeah, the Signetti people, 622 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,280 people who want to criticize Cignetti don't realize how 623 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,200 unusual it is for anything that an IU football coach does to 624 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,680 become national news. It's being talked about at Ohio 625 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,680 State message boards. It's on the college football 626 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,520 Reddit. You know, it's just all over the 627 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,160 place, like that one little sheet of paper. 628 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,120 It's it's been a masterful job by him for the last calendar 629 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,000 year, using his desk to send messages that people pick up on. 630 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,640 Yeah, I just, I think living in Columbus and just being immersed 631 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,640 all the time with with the Ohio State fan talk has just been 632 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,560 such an an interesting thing to me, especially this season with 633 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,360 their their football season, but but also with basketball. 634 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,800 I mean, Dane was on the radio today and they were talking 635 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,920 about the loss last night and they kind of talk about Dusty 636 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,480 May like he's the one that got away for them. 637 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,360 And I just think that that is so interesting because I'm like, 638 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,760 you know, I think that there's a lot of IU fans that that are 639 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,520 also saying that. So it's it's hilarious that that 640 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,440 that is their like main thing. It's like, well, let's see how 641 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,800 this works out with Diebler. But wow, we really could have 642 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,880 had Dusty May. Yeah, it's, I mean, and Dusty 643 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,280 May's done a great job at Michigan, but I've, I've seen 644 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,600 those same things from Ohio State fans in some circles and 645 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,920 it's just a really fascinating thing to unpack. 646 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,120 I I do want to ask you before we wrap up, you know, the, the 647 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,880 national championship game is Monday night, Notre Dame versus 648 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,760 Ohio State. What's the attitude? 649 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,000 I mean, the, you know, we so much got talked about with the 650 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,920 Ohio State fans and, you know, losing the Michigan game and all 651 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,400 of the angst and the the disappointment and the anger 652 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,080 around Ryan Day. And they've looked really good 653 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,800 in the playoff. They're a nine and a half point 654 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,760 favorite or something like that in this game. 655 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,960 They're a a really good betting favorite to win the national 656 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,719 title. So how has the discourse been 657 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,560 around football over the course of the last couple of weeks? 658 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,159 Like where, what? What's the temperature of their 659 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,840 fan base right now? It's it's really interesting 660 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,240 because I feel like half of the fan base is very confident and 661 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,560 in my opinion, underestimating Notre Dame. 662 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,960 And then the other half of the fan base is mad that Ohio State 663 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,640 is, you know, an 8 point favorite in this game. 664 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,920 Saying like, I just, I don't know how we're going to match up 665 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,320 against this team so much as being made of Notre Dame, saying 666 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,240 that, you know, they're sticking with man coverage and, and 667 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,160 everybody's like, OK, Jeremiah Smith is going to have, you 668 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,760 know, 2 touchdowns, 150 receiving yards. 669 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,480 So it's interesting. I, I do think that like if they 670 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,200 were to lose on Monday, the positive momentum that has been 671 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,600 built up since the Michigan game and then also that that Jack 672 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,920 Sawyer play last week. I, I just will be very, I mean, 673 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,560 where does that fit in Ohio State history if they go on to 674 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,240 lose this game? So I, I just, I, you know, I 675 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,680 think that people are pretty worked up around here just 676 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,760 because it's like this team's set its goals at the beginning 677 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,640 of the season that they wanted to win a national championship 678 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,160 and people had those expectations. 679 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,120 So if they don't, I think it'll just be a very interesting 680 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,600 offseason for the Buckeyes. We'll keep an eye on it. 681 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,280 Obviously always curious and and great to have you embedded in 682 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,360 the culture over there so that we can get eyewitness reports on 683 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,600 what's going on with things on a regular basis. 684 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,120 Yes, I sometimes I enjoy being embedded in the culture more 685 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,120 than other times. It just kind of depends on the 686 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,080 day. Well, I don't want to. 687 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,320 I don't want to taunt the Wi-Fi gods any more than we already 688 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,880 have. So we'll go ahead and wrap up, 689 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:42,360 but Ali Sondzenbacher joining us was there at the Ohio State IU 690 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,360 game last night. And, and I really appreciate 691 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,280 your thoughts and great to have you on the show for the first 692 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,400 time. We'll do this again sometime 693 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,760 soon. I know. 694 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,800 Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. 695 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,600 Yeah. No, no problem at all. 696 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,200 We will do it soon at some point, but for now, we'll go 697 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,840 ahead and wrap up. This is Crimson cast for Ally 698 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,160 and for the entire back home network family. 699 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,200 I'm Galen Clavio saying thanks for joining us here on the show. 700 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,600 We will catch you folks. On the flip side, probably be 701 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,360 back with Scott sometime early next week. 702 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,760 We'll talk preview Indiana Northwestern. 703 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,520 We've got more football talk coming, folks. 704 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,480 We're going to recap the transfer portal period with 705 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,000 Taylor Layman. Until then, stay never daunted, 706 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,760 bring back the Bison. So everybody.