1 00:00:06,900 --> 00:00:10,100 You're listening to the back home network presented by home 2 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:22,700 field apparel welcome back to Crimson, Cask ale and clavius 3 00:00:22,700 --> 00:00:26,500 got Caulfield joining. You it is Sunday February 12th. 4 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:32,200 And Indiana coming up a big win. Last night, I guess you could 5 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,900 say, well, yesterday, evening, whatever. 6 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:38,200 It would be, as they go on the road knockoff, the Michigan 7 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,800 Wolverines and Scott one of those games that you looked at 8 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,900 on the schedule and it was like, gosh, that's going to be a tough 9 00:00:46,900 --> 00:00:49,100 one. Maybe a bridge too far. 10 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,000 Certainly felt like it for a while for this Indiana team, but 11 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,400 they find a way to win and we're going to talk about all that. 12 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,900 And some of the implications that come out of that game First 13 00:00:57,900 --> 00:01:00,100 of all, good to see you. How are you doing today? 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,100 I'm doing great. Good to see you too. 15 00:01:02,100 --> 00:01:03,600 Good. Sunday morning, it's warm it up 16 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:06,300 till it cools down again. As we do in February every year 17 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:09,100 in Indiana. Now, that was a, we'll talk more 18 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:10,600 about it. Obviously is were only 12 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,300 seconds into the podcast. We normally run three hours long 20 00:01:13,300 --> 00:01:16,200 here, right? But no, I mean that to me, that 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,400 game was kind of a key that unlocks, a lot of different ways 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,800 because I went into it kind of thinking, all right. 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,600 Like, you know, that's a tough one and then and then it's like 24 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,800 man, you know, then you got to win another tough road game at 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,900 Northwestern. And you're back to Illinois and 26 00:01:29,300 --> 00:01:31,200 Michigan. State Purdue looks like to tough 27 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,700 road games. But, you know, as like, if we 28 00:01:33,700 --> 00:01:36,400 could win this, I don't think that, you know, a team that 29 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,500 could win at Michigan could also win a Northwestern. 30 00:01:38,500 --> 00:01:40,300 Can, you know, obviously win at home against Illinois. 31 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:43,800 It's like it kind of opens up a lot of things. 32 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,300 And honestly, now staring at the rest of the year, obviously, get 33 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:51,200 to this, but it's like, I'm kind of already mentally chalking up 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,600 the Michigan State, Purdue games as losses. 35 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:56,400 But now it's a lot easier to chop those up as losses, knowing 36 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,300 we might have You know, two more wins ahead of us. 37 00:01:59,300 --> 00:02:03,200 So I know it's all, it's all really good and that was a, that 38 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,100 was a simple win. This is how psychologically 39 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:08,500 damaged Scott is. An IU fan is his reaction to a 40 00:02:08,500 --> 00:02:10,500 win on. The road, is to immediately 41 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:13,800 chalk up two losses on the road that are coming already chalked 42 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,300 up. But I'm happy to talk them up. 43 00:02:15,300 --> 00:02:17,500 So there you go. This is where if you can send 44 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:21,700 help to Scott he's he lives in Indianapolis area. 45 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:25,200 There's a professional there. We can get to him know, I've 46 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,300 been sending these balloons up to try and get help. 47 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,300 Getting shot down. Like, I don't know what's going 48 00:02:29,300 --> 00:02:32,500 on, please let my balloons fly goodness. 49 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,600 Yes, before we get to all of that. 50 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,000 Just a reminder. 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So it's too. 63 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,000 I have the oval sweatshirt. Crewneck sweater that I wore 64 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,200 yesterday and that, that's what I rocked for the game. 65 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,600 Nice, I love the oval hat. I might need to, you know, get a 66 00:03:20,608 --> 00:03:23,700 home field store, you know, a pop-up store and give it a try. 67 00:03:24,100 --> 00:03:25,400 No, it looks good. I like that. 68 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,300 I like you, man. I'm, I don't get people. 69 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:29,800 I hate for the logo. Like it's something different 70 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,900 and we don't have a ton of Throwbacks, like, it is funny. 71 00:03:32,700 --> 00:03:35,600 You watch. I, you play in their 87 72 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,200 Throwbacks and it's like, you can go half the game and be 73 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,800 like, wait, are they were in the throwback? 74 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,400 Like that's, that's not what an effective throwback shouldn't be 75 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,600 where I can watch you for 20 minutes, then like, have to 76 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,700 squint and like, wait, is that the throwback have? 77 00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:50,700 No, it's it is very much I use kind of like a weight, is that 78 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:53,700 piping like a quarter inch? Thinner must be a throwback. 79 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:57,300 It is, it is, it would be great if one game. 80 00:03:57,500 --> 00:04:01,700 Like you want to talk about like heads exploding, not just having 81 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:03,300 the fire on the game before the Purdue game. 82 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:07,000 Like, if I, you came out with just an oval basketball logo, oh 83 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,200 God. I got to just a uniform, like, 84 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,900 they come out and black oval, like the oval logos. 85 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:13,900 Like that would be bananas. And, you know, sponsor, I hope 86 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:15,100 field. 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But also acting as a charity. 98 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:56,900 For those poor schools in the ACC, let's talk about IU and 99 00:04:56,900 --> 00:04:59,900 Michigan. Basketball happened yesterday, 100 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:03,700 the Hoosiers. One of those games where you 101 00:05:03,700 --> 00:05:07,700 kind of go through the whole thing and even when Indiana 102 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:11,600 briefly takes the lead, a couple of times early on in the second 103 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,700 half immediately. Michigan responds. 104 00:05:15,100 --> 00:05:16,600 And I know a lot of people felt this way. 105 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,900 It's just like, you know what? I don't see Indiana winning this 106 00:05:19,900 --> 00:05:22,200 game. It just had all the earmarks of 107 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,600 games that we've gotten used to, with this Indiana team of a team 108 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,700 that or of a, you know, a game that this program would 109 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:35,600 ultimately fail to bring home on the road, really not getting 110 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,300 very good play out of anybody. Except for Trace Jackson, Davis 111 00:05:39,300 --> 00:05:43,400 and Jalen Hood. Fino just mistake after mistake 112 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:48,400 and key moments. And yet, Michigan was also So, 113 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,500 prone to about of self-destruction, in this one, 114 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:54,500 and Indiana managed to figure out a way to win. 115 00:05:54,500 --> 00:05:57,300 Again, very similar to what happened in the Minnesota, game 116 00:05:57,300 --> 00:06:01,600 on the road, but this one felt like a more important game 117 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,100 because this was a Michigan team. 118 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:07,400 Unlike that Minnesota team, this is a Michigan team that is or 119 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,100 was, I guess Vic, you know, kind of fighting for their life, from 120 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:13,500 a tournament perspective, they're outside the bubble 121 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:16,300 looking in right now. They had shown the ability to do 122 00:06:16,300 --> 00:06:18,700 some good things, they'd beaten Northwestern Twice. 123 00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:22,500 They beat Penn State, they beat Maryland heavily earlier on in 124 00:06:22,508 --> 00:06:25,600 the year. So you know you look at this 125 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,400 game and you're like well you know gosh it was not a great 126 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,200 game for Indiana against the team that probably isn't going 127 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,800 to make the tournament. And yet, Michigan has shown on 128 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,600 its best days that it can be a tournament caliber team. 129 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,000 They just fumbled down the stretch. 130 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,300 They didn't score for the last five minutes and Indiana scored, 131 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:47,000 just enough and made a boatload of defensive plays and somehow 132 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,200 found a way to win. Win at the end. 133 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:52,400 So I listened to your preview pot on the drive, up to Fort 134 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,300 Wayne. Spend some time with the inlaws 135 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:58,200 yesterday, watching the game there, it was nice watching game 136 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,500 with some family who also are you fans sprinkled in that my 137 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:04,500 wife's side of the family. Because in previous years, I've 138 00:07:04,508 --> 00:07:06,700 been up there for games and it's like why are you watching this? 139 00:07:06,700 --> 00:07:09,600 Like they're down by 15. And it's like, God but I like 140 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,600 doing this and this was like, oh it's a fuck. 141 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,100 He will come again after dinner. It was a fun game like people 142 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:16,800 are getting into it like oh yes, this is what it was to be like. 143 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:19,200 But on the drive up there to Fort Wayne. 144 00:07:19,900 --> 00:07:22,200 Listening to your pod and I realized two things. 145 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,500 This is not only a tough road win. 146 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:29,000 But, you know, probably for the first time since 2016 and I'm 147 00:07:29,008 --> 00:07:31,100 not even sure that I have to look at exactly the games we 148 00:07:31,108 --> 00:07:34,700 played at the end of the season. You know, this is the first time 149 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:37,300 that Indiana is going to have a run where we're basically 150 00:07:37,300 --> 00:07:41,400 outside of that Purdue game in Mackay were a scout for every 151 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,400 other team we play. And you could see it. 152 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,000 But you can see Michigan complying with that desperation. 153 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,700 Like, we've got to win this game to keep our tournament hope so. 154 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,100 Live and honestly that's a it's like tough road game. 155 00:07:54,100 --> 00:07:57,200 Like that's another layer on top of it, playing a team that is 156 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,400 trying to scalp you. And we just haven't been there 157 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,800 for seven, eight years, and that's a learned skill as well. 158 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,100 And I was watching that thinking as you through most of the game, 159 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:10,700 like this is a game that Michigan's probably going to win 160 00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:12,800 because they're just going to need it more. 161 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,800 And the amazing thing digging into the stats, we pull it up, 162 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,300 you know, with Five minutes to go basically. 163 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,500 Michigan is up 61 258, Michigan, finish with 61 points because 164 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:29,100 five minutes of just not scoring, not like well, did you 165 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:31,200 have a free-throw? Didn't give up a field goal, or 166 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,799 on the floor? Like, just no scoring now they 167 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,500 had some let's call it bizarre possessions and some odd 168 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:41,500 choices, but five minutes of just holding a team that is 169 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:44,100 desperate to not scoring at the end of the game. 170 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,800 That's, that's defense. Like that's making a lot of good 171 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,700 moves on your end. Now granted we only scored you 172 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,200 No, on our own. We only scored, four more 173 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,300 points. But those are the four points 174 00:08:53,300 --> 00:08:55,000 that mattered and you held Michigan. 175 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:57,000 I mean, and even go back to the 10-minute. 176 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,200 Mark, the game is, you know, 56 252. 177 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:04,100 I mean in 10 minutes, you hold a team that is at home? 178 00:09:04,100 --> 00:09:07,900 That is desperate to win a game that has a lot of offensive 179 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:12,100 options. You hold them. 25 points in 10 180 00:09:12,100 --> 00:09:14,900 minutes. That's, you know, I think those 181 00:09:14,900 --> 00:09:16,200 the show up. Well, the metrics for your 182 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,700 defense though. So it is, it's a, it's a great 183 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:21,500 game and it's the kind of Skill. That's that's well-learned 184 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:24,300 because when you play Northwestern Wednesday, it's the 185 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:26,500 same thing. They are trying to scalp you and 186 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:27,600 win. When you play Illinois, you're 187 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:32,000 at home but they need you to win to get into the tournament. 188 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,400 So yeah, it was it was a great game. 189 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,900 Will I have a lot of notes here and tjd. 190 00:09:36,900 --> 00:09:39,600 I want to talk to you about but no at the top level that was 191 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,500 great in the last thing I'll say is what was really nice about it 192 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:47,000 was there was moments where we'd get down, you know, six eight 193 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,100 ten or so right in that range we never let the Game get away. 194 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:52,700 You know that was the thing with Maryland. 195 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:55,900 Always felt like that was a winnable game but we kind of 196 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:58,800 just let it get past that break point where it's like we're not 197 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,700 within two or three possessions. We kind of let them put a little 198 00:10:01,700 --> 00:10:04,200 too much distance there. That was a nice thing with this. 199 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,500 Michigan game is what he called timeout to the right time and we 200 00:10:06,500 --> 00:10:11,300 just we never let them get the game away and then we just kind 201 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:13,900 of pulled it back close. And then when it mattered, we 202 00:10:13,900 --> 00:10:16,000 stopped them from doing anything offensively. 203 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,200 It's interesting because the two games that you just referred to 204 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,600 the Michigan, Game in the Maryland game each of them 205 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:27,500 featured I use opponent on a 13-2 to run that 1:47 run for 206 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:30,400 Michigan happened. Much earlier in the first half 207 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:35,000 than the Maryland one did and it really felt to some degree like 208 00:10:35,300 --> 00:10:38,700 you know in the Maryland game that that run gave Maryland 209 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,300 confidence to shoot. You know they ended up for them 210 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,800 not having a great shooting game but they put enough distance 211 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,100 between themselves and Indiana. Indiana couldn't recover. 212 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,100 And honestly Indiana got more even contributions in that game 213 00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:56,700 from a lot of their players. I mean, you know, you had 214 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,800 Miller, cop had a decent game efficiency wise and that one 215 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,000 race Thompson scored 11 points, Miller cop. 216 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,500 But scuse me Trey Galloway was pretty efficient. 217 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:06,900 None of that happened in this game. 218 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,700 Instead, what you had was a situation where Michigan kind of 219 00:11:11,700 --> 00:11:14,700 squandered, the advantages that they built for themselves in 220 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:18,100 this one and that was unlike Maryland, who I think is 221 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:22,400 actually legitimately good team. Michigan is really kind of just 222 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,900 a collection of talent that when they have everything going, 223 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:29,900 their way can beat you pretty handily. 224 00:11:29,900 --> 00:11:33,600 And we've seen that so far this season and that's the type of 225 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,200 Team. Frankly, that was able to beat 226 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Indiana pretty consistently over the course of the last five or 227 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,600 six years. There's something different with 228 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,000 this Indiana team where they can have bad games from a lot of 229 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:50,200 people, but there is an intrinsic level of quality of Of 230 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:54,200 kind of just a it's an intangible as much as it is, a 231 00:11:54,208 --> 00:11:57,200 tangible that allows them in these sorts of games. 232 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,800 As long as the opponent is not just going nuts, which 233 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,400 fortunately Michigan. Wasn't, you know, they can 234 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,200 figure out a way to claw back into it and let to me that 235 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:08,600 sorry. The thing that's changed with 236 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,000 this team is, you know, Trace checks. 237 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,700 And Davis has taken another step up this season, but also the 238 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:21,000 emergence of jail Hood Cioppino. So, you know, you Have we can 239 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,600 rely on Trace, you know, we all know that we can rely on him 240 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,100 last year for you know, 80% of what we're getting now. 241 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:29,300 The problem was there was really no one else last year. 242 00:12:29,300 --> 00:12:33,600 You could like consistently rely on Xavier was getting there by 243 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,600 the end of the year but no one else is like you stop that and 244 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,700 then the team flounders and you're hoping on Roll guys to 245 00:12:38,700 --> 00:12:40,400 step it up. The difference here is you saw 246 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,700 it in this Michigan game, it's like, all right, when they 247 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:45,600 start, you know, stopping Tracer traces, you know, missing a 248 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,000 couple of shots, it's like, all right. 249 00:12:47,008 --> 00:12:49,600 Well, Jalen hoof, you know is now somebody you can also rely 250 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,400 on Ion and having two guys that you can kind of rely on to 251 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,200 steady the ship in especially in the guard and you know, post 252 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,900 positions that's really good in college basketball. 253 00:12:59,900 --> 00:13:02,300 I know people you know, you look at like tomorrow baits like some 254 00:13:02,300 --> 00:13:04,800 guys, who are young consistence like, all right, well having a 255 00:13:04,808 --> 00:13:06,600 team of three guys, you can rely on. 256 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,400 Like now you're you're 22 and what like that's a that's not a 257 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,200 team we're going to get to. But if you have two guys that 258 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,600 you can consistently rely on and then a bunch of role players who 259 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,600 kind of like we'll see if we can rely on them. 260 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,300 They are even in the next five or 10 minutes like that. 261 00:13:22,300 --> 00:13:25,200 Again, that's a profile of a three or four seed in the 262 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,800 tournament. Like that's a really, really 263 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:30,100 most teams do not have that and to me, that's what I saw as the 264 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:32,700 difference here is like, oh it's like put your fee, no can come 265 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:35,100 down and steady the ship and we know, Trace can. 266 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:39,300 And that, that to me is what is really elevating this team and 267 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:41,300 that's something for hurt. Your fee, know that is happening 268 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,600 through this season, that he was not there. 269 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,300 The beginning of the year. So one of the things that I'll 270 00:13:47,300 --> 00:13:52,000 know to on all of this right now, Oh is that I think to some 271 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,800 degree and we've talked about this a bit on the podcast before 272 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,800 when I see fan reaction to some of these games and I think we 273 00:13:58,808 --> 00:14:01,700 need to reiterate to people that it is even when you were a good 274 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:06,600 team, it is legitimately hard to win on the road even against 275 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,200 teams that aren't as good as you. 276 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:13,700 And, you know, certainly, I think there is some PTSD that IU 277 00:14:13,700 --> 00:14:17,800 fans still have regarding their, you know, the Hoosiers losing 278 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,400 games like this, all the time, over the last Several years and 279 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,900 I get that and certainly there's a lot of things that you can 280 00:14:22,900 --> 00:14:25,400 point to in that Michigan game where you can say, well gosh, 281 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,000 they were just didn't play well at all. 282 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,300 But I would note that that's essentially what you see out of 283 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:34,500 almost every team and you saw it yesterday with a bunch of ranked 284 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:38,900 teams who, you know, did not have great days on the road. 285 00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:41,600 I mean, Tina, even the teams that I you would consider 286 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,400 themselves kind of In conflict with four games, you know, for 287 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:52,300 seeding purposes like you know, the weather, Oh, that was, you 288 00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:54,700 know, you had Iowa State losing yesterday. 289 00:14:54,700 --> 00:14:57,800 You had Clemson getting blown out on the road yesterday at a 290 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,800 pretty bad UNC team. Yukon lost it at Creighton 291 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,800 Rutgers lost at Illinois. After leading for most of the 292 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,400 first 30 minutes of the game, they just completely collapsed. 293 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,400 It's it's not unheard of to have situations on the road where 294 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,100 you're not playing well and there's something about this 295 00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:20,300 team where it seems extreme. And yet I use now for And five 296 00:15:20,300 --> 00:15:23,300 on the road this season. So they're playing it at almost 297 00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:26,600 500 clip, which is pretty good in college basketball unless you 298 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,000 are a truly Elite type of Team, like an Alabama this year or a 299 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,800 Purdue or Houston. You're just not going to win 300 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,400 that many road games and to some degree, it really is one of 301 00:15:37,408 --> 00:15:40,900 those where you have to grind it out and just have more points 302 00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:42,600 than the other team. At the end of the game style 303 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,600 points, don't matter, none of that matters. 304 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:46,700 That's really what this one was all about. 305 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:50,200 Its with the Minnesota game was all about and You look down the 306 00:15:50,208 --> 00:15:53,900 stretch, you got three remaining Road games and you know, all 307 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:57,300 three of them, frankly are games that this IU team with the 308 00:15:57,308 --> 00:16:00,400 combination of players playing the way that they're playing 309 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:04,200 that you just described could win all three of those remaining 310 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,600 organs. I don't think that they will 311 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,500 just because that would be if I you wins all three of their 312 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:11,000 remaining Road games I think you can look at this team and say 313 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,700 well something really special maybe going on. 314 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:17,800 Realistically speaking though, being able to pull even one of 315 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,700 the four remaining Road games, that A had out of the Hat coming 316 00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:25,600 out of that sequence with Purdue and Rutgers at home is a really, 317 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,300 really good sign for this Indiana team because as we've 318 00:16:29,300 --> 00:16:32,700 noted on multiple times, before Scott, there are no tournament 319 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:35,000 games that are played in Road venues. 320 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,200 So the next time, you know, in your in tournament, you're 321 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,200 playing a team, you're not on their home court, they're not on 322 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,000 your home court. And so, they're having as many 323 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,600 problems away from home, hopefully, as you are, in this 324 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,900 case, I think, you know India, Anna, even though I think a lot 325 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:54,900 of the concerns people had regarding, I, you were certainly 326 00:16:54,900 --> 00:16:56,300 founded. There was some dumb plays, 327 00:16:56,300 --> 00:16:59,800 particularly down the stretch, statistically speaking, it was 328 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,300 about even for both teams, both teams are just kind of in a funk 329 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:06,400 offensively. I noted a couple of things last 330 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,099 night on Twitter. This was a little bit of a 331 00:17:09,108 --> 00:17:11,400 statistical Oddity. I mean, Indiana shot really 332 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,400 poorly. This was like Maryland level 333 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,200 poor shooting not as bad as that game. 334 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:17,900 They only took six three-pointers. 335 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:19,500 The whole game, which believe it or not. 336 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:23,200 A few as three point attempts, that they've had all season, not 337 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,500 the fewest, makes they only made one in that Wisconsin game which 338 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:30,100 they won, because of course they did, and it was the game where 339 00:17:30,100 --> 00:17:31,700 they got the fewest offensive rebound. 340 00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:34,800 So there was almost no possession stretching throughout 341 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,200 the course of the game. And yet what really won the game 342 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,000 for them was their defense. And this is the thing, this is 343 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,500 the thing. Archie Miller always said he was 344 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:45,200 building and never did was a defensive culture that could 345 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,900 survive a bad offensive game on the road, I mean, this team held 346 00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:51,100 Michigan. Into a raw offensive, 347 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:54,000 efficiency, rating of 91.9, which is awesome. 348 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,400 It's that is as a raw number. The best that they've done. 349 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,600 Since that Wisconsin game, when they held Wisconsin to 71.7, 350 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,900 they only allowed Michigan to shoot 25% from three. 351 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:08,100 Now, I allowed should be in really like big scare quotes 352 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:11,400 there because Michigan did a lot of that themselves but still on 353 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,300 you know that's your biggest fear and and especially early on 354 00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:16,600 in the game it felt like Michigan was going to hit every 355 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,300 three that they took and Indiana. 356 00:18:19,300 --> 00:18:21,800 Some Found a situation where they were able to get out play 357 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:27,000 good defense and not allow Michigan to beat them from the 358 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,400 three-point line. It instead was a situation where 359 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,600 all right you're going to have to beat us going to pointer for 360 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,700 two pointer and ultimately that wasn't enough that to me is the 361 00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:37,700 sign of a team that's got some juice. 362 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,900 You know that's it. That's a team that you know, 363 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,500 okay. Will shut down what we are. 364 00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:44,900 Most afraid of let's see if you can actually beat us just going 365 00:18:44,900 --> 00:18:47,000 back and forth. Knowing we have traced Jackson 366 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,400 Davis and now Jalen Hurd Shafi know. 367 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,000 Able to go in and score when we need to. 368 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,100 I want to take a moment here and talk about Trace Jackson Davis. 369 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,400 So I feel like we haven't talked about him a lot rightfully. 370 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,700 So just because it's like oh he's gonna get, you know, twenty 371 00:19:02,700 --> 00:19:04,200 eight and nine or Twenty Eight and eleven. 372 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,800 It's like, all right and and not that I've forgotten how good 373 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,600 that is. The couple things I want to say 374 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,900 is this that you know, when we talk about having that, you 375 00:19:12,908 --> 00:19:17,200 know, leap in, you know, playing ability, it's like everybody 376 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,500 goes to Oladipo between his sophomore and Junior. 377 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,900 Here is like that's the gold standard when that guy really 378 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:25,100 improved in the offseason, maybe a little bit of OG and an OB and 379 00:19:25,100 --> 00:19:29,200 one of those years I think quietly and I'm as guilty as 380 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,200 anybody on this thing. A trace got to hit more threes, 381 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,700 like you're saying. All the things he needs to add 382 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:35,900 to his game. The leap Trace has made from 383 00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:39,200 last year to this year, is really staggering, but it's and 384 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,500 he was already really good last year and that's what to me is so 385 00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:44,900 amazing. Is he's added, you know, so much 386 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:48,500 more post moves, the ability to kind of run the offense at 387 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:50,600 times. Such a good passer, he's 388 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,400 bringing the ball up. I'm at the point now where I was 389 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,600 telling people yesterday in the morning, like I would love to 390 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,600 see him play more Point, Trace like have him honestly you know, 391 00:19:58,608 --> 00:20:01,300 take the ball and pass him or he's making great decisions. 392 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:05,200 You saw it last night, it gets hundred Dickinson, a guy who has 393 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,200 seemingly gotten to his Hugh Hunters, gotten in the traces 394 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,200 head over the years and Trace would get blocked. 395 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,500 And then we'll just come back and come right at in the next 396 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:17,000 possession. And I think it's hard to notice 397 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,000 how much better he's gotten because he was so, Would the 398 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,900 last three years but Trace really came back with a lot of 399 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:25,800 extra pieces to his game. This year. 400 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:29,100 The other two things I want to mention and then get to a 401 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:31,600 question for you. You talk a little about the 402 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:32,800 tournament. Obviously, yes, they're played 403 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,600 neutral sites games but I was thinking this driving home last 404 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,700 night that, you know, the last three games, his numbers have 405 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:41,800 it, you know, it's tough to be like it was numbers or kind of 406 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,500 Dipping off because you can get one point. 407 00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:47,100 He was hitting offense of efficiencies, like, 137, 150 408 00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:49,100 120. Like you can't keep that up. 409 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:51,900 All the The time. But the last three games he went 410 00:20:51,900 --> 00:20:58,300 for twenty five and seven against Purdue 20 and 18 against 411 00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:01,900 Rutgers and twenty eight and 11 against Michigan. 412 00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:05,400 And I was thinking, you know, when you think of the tournament 413 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,600 who Indiana is going to face my saying, we're gonna win it all. 414 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:12,200 But, like, in three games, he just faced arguably, the best 415 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,200 big man on the country and Zack ET arguably, one of the toughest 416 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,000 defensive schemes to play in Rutgers. 417 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:22,900 And Another you know, another seven foot big man, that's been 418 00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:26,000 in his head and he put up really good games. 419 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,600 I don't think you're going to see three three situations like 420 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,500 that back-to-back, times interim, like, I don't know 421 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:35,000 behind EV and Dickinson, maybe Drew Timmy like there's nobody 422 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,600 else. In college basketball hoop, 423 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,000 prevent who presents those kinds of issues for a trace Jackson 424 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,700 Davis and he cut through them doing, like twenty five and 425 00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:46,000 twelve, the averaging 25 and 12 against them. 426 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,200 You know, if your Trace you can sit down and back. 427 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,400 All right, well, there's there's Not going to be a three-game 428 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,700 stretch harder than what I just went through for me, like 429 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,100 everything else here is going. I mean, I got to play Purdue 430 00:21:55,100 --> 00:21:57,700 again like Michigan State's not easy, but it's like, when I get 431 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:00,300 to the tournament I'm not facing Zack ET three games in a row. 432 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:04,600 I'm not facing hundred Dickinson and so I think that's good. 433 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,400 The thing. Well, let me pause there and 434 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,700 I'll get to my question but that's just I want to give some 435 00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:14,000 Trace Jackson Davis, Lo look and let you chime in look last year 436 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:17,300 and he was a great offensive player last year. 437 00:22:17,300 --> 00:22:22,200 Actually had a miniscule. Larger offensive rating last 438 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,100 year versus this year, but last year, in all of Big Ten play 439 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:30,100 including the tournament. So, 23 games, I guess, Trace 440 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:34,900 Jackson Davis had six double digit rebound games, which is 441 00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:39,700 pretty good this year. He's already got 10 and there's 442 00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:44,600 still what, you know, with seven games or 60 of those red lines 443 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,300 up right? Getting more and more right now. 444 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:48,000 Yeah. Six games left to play in the 445 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,100 regular season and then You've got whatever Big Ten tournament 446 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:57,600 games, so that you know, to me what Trace Jackson Davis is a 447 00:22:57,700 --> 00:23:00,000 slightly. He's about the same level of 448 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,900 efficiency as he was last year. What's really picked up about 449 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:07,900 him and what I find? So remarkable is, how much 450 00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:10,700 better? He is a rebounder and how much 451 00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:14,800 more conscientious he is as a passer and really hasn't had a 452 00:23:14,808 --> 00:23:17,200 huge increase in turnovers to go along with it. 453 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,800 You know, I mean last year he was essentially the Seaver here 454 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,500 he's a lot of times acting like the quarterback that normally 455 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:26,700 leads to a lot more turnovers than what you get. 456 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:29,200 And you know, you his turnover rate is, you know, it's in the 457 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,500 top 500. Barely in the country as far as 458 00:23:31,508 --> 00:23:35,100 being good. So that that's where I look at 459 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:38,800 Tres Jackson, Davis is contributions and, and it it may 460 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,000 not show up as being a lot different in the points per 461 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,300 game. But everything else he's doing. 462 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,100 He's become such a more complete player and I just that's easy to 463 00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:51,600 lose, because In are the way that most people look at 464 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,700 statistics, they look at the points and then they kind of 465 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:56,000 stopped at that and rebounds feel kind of arbitrary. 466 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,200 But I do think it's important to point out how abnormally good 467 00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:03,000 this statistical season has been for Trace Jackson Davis, and 468 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,600 it's what's winning games for Indiana. 469 00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:09,500 This is really what is winning them games on the road games at 470 00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:12,900 home against Purdue and Rutgers. It's not just that he's scoring 471 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:14,500 in the, the officially like the announcers. 472 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:16,600 Talk about that all the time and understandably. 473 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,400 So but it is all of the other things that he does. 474 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,700 To extend possessions to get the ball to the right, persons 475 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:25,800 hands, or the person that's open to make smart decisions most of 476 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,600 the time. And, you know, he's he's playing 477 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,700 pretty good defense to like, he's not playing great defense. 478 00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:34,800 I don't know if you'll ever get great defense out at racetracks 479 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,400 and Davis, but you're getting enough and you add that to 480 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,900 everything else that he's doing. It really is a remarkable 481 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:45,400 remarkable season so asking you the the basketball encyclopedia 482 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,000 brain, you know, it sucks. It does really Lee seok that 483 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,900 like you have, Zach Ed having the season. 484 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:55,100 He's having a semi great for Zach, ET, but like it sucks. 485 00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:58,700 That Trace any other years winning Big, Ten Player of the 486 00:24:58,708 --> 00:25:03,500 Year, my twin National player of the year he probably isn't going 487 00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:06,400 to win it all though. He's starting to like Indiana 488 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,900 wins out like this is also a case if the rest of the team you 489 00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:12,200 can look around like, hey could we if we went out. 490 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,200 Do we get traced the player of the year and like that's 491 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,800 something you could fight for to, as well as again, being 492 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,800 something special. But my question to you, You is. 493 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,500 When's the last time you saw an IU player just run through the 494 00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:26,200 Big Ten and put up these kinds of numbers. 495 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,600 Like I was looking at Yogi my initial thought was that Yogi 496 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,000 Ferrell and 2016 like DJ white one big, ten Player of the Year 497 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,800 in 2008, like Jared Jeffries had a run but I don't remember any 498 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,500 of them. Having these kinds of runs where 499 00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:42,500 it's like like last night. It keeps on last night as kind 500 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:45,500 of the game that it sticks to because it's like he had twenty 501 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:48,500 eight and 11 and you know shot 11 423. 502 00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:50,700 It's Kind like all he had a, you know, not a great night Like 503 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:55,200 Duty and twenty eight and 11 and played 40, you know, but they 504 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,600 play the whole time. 39, yeah. Played 39 minutes and did 505 00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,000 basically everything needed to be done and guarded hundred 506 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,300 Dickinson, like it. He's having just this unreal 507 00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:08,400 stretch, the Big Ten, I'm just wondering and it's going to suck 508 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,100 that. You know, when you look back 509 00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:13,200 historically it's like, you know, he's not, you know, he 510 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,300 didn't win the Big Ten player of the year and he probably 511 00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:17,000 shouldn't maybe they'll KO win it, I don't know. 512 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,400 But it's my question to you is that who is run that? 513 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:26,200 Um and yeah, go for it. Oh I mean it's hard to compare 514 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,300 what Trace Jackson. Davis is doing right now, 515 00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:33,100 because there have been very few Indiana teams that have so had 516 00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:36,600 to so consistently rely on one player to do everything. 517 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,700 I mean it gets overlooked because the team was so stacked. 518 00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:45,000 But Cody Zeller had a really awesome season all year in 2013 519 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,400 and it to some degree. I almost feel like Cody has 520 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,600 become underrated in terms that are very fair and it's a A 521 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,300 similar thing where it's just like you expected. 522 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:56,300 Cody, Zeller to go out and see more like 18 and grabbed eight 523 00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:58,000 or nine rebounds. There's like that's just what 524 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,500 Cody's doing and it was Who's Gonna Fill in around. 525 00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:07,700 But, you know, I look at it like this on the MVP thing, Sometimes 526 00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:11,000 you're just unlucky until, you know, it's, you can go back and 527 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,800 look at the history of like Indiana, mr. 528 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,100 Basketballs. And you can find a bunch of guys 529 00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:17,500 who won mr. Basketball, who were not the 530 00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:20,900 best player in the state, or maybe didn't even have the, you 531 00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:23,400 know, the most impressive statistical season if you looked 532 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,400 at it through one lens. But because most people look at 533 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,500 it through a different lens, they're like, well that's you 534 00:27:27,508 --> 00:27:29,600 got to give it to the guy. Who's the most efficient score 535 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,000 in college basketball. It's like on the one hand. 536 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,000 You you don't want to, you don't want to punish Trace Jackson, 537 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,200 Davis. But you also don't want to 538 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,700 punish Zack Edie. Yes, Zack Edie is 74. 539 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,300 But as I keep trying to remind people, we've still got a 540 00:27:45,308 --> 00:27:47,300 basket. We've seen lots of guys who were 541 00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:54,100 72 73, 74 and most of them are not scoring at almost, you know? 542 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:57,200 They're, I mean, they're not shooting 63% from the field, 543 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,700 they're not only turning the ball over on 15% of possessions, 544 00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:03,700 they're not leading the country in offensive, rebounding and 545 00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:07,400 Bowl played college basketball. So you know as much Chaz, I want 546 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,200 Trace Jackson Davis to pick up some silverware this year. 547 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,600 I have a hard time saying, well, I think it's clear to me that 548 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,600 with through the, the assists and just the overall way that 549 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,200 Trace Jackson Davis is is playing. 550 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,000 He is more versatile than exact ET pezzini is so efficient at 551 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,200 what he does, you can't really begrudge him the successes. 552 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:37,100 And so, I look, I think a lot will depend on what Down the 553 00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:39,000 stretch. I mean, the one question for me 554 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,100 on Purdue. As you know, you look at what 555 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:43,800 happened. I mean, they came back and they 556 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,500 smashed Iowa. Last week. 557 00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:48,100 I think a lot of Zach ETS campaign is going to depend on. 558 00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:52,500 How does Purdue finish if /? Do you know if they go forward 559 00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:54,800 to the rest of the way? And they finished 16 and 4 in 560 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,100 the conference, which is what they're projected to do, you 561 00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:00,200 know, that's that's pretty impressive. 562 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:03,400 If you look at individual games on can Palm, then are projected 563 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,700 to lose any of the six remaining games that they've got. 564 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:09,400 So, you mean, you could look at To 17 and 3 or 18 and to team, I 565 00:29:09,408 --> 00:29:12,100 think at that point. Yeah, Zach he's going to be Big 566 00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:14,000 Ten Player of the Year Zack. He's probably going to be a 567 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,600 national player of the year because this Purdue team was not 568 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,800 expected to do anywhere close to what they're doing this year. 569 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,700 So that's where the rub wise, unfortunately, for IU, is that I 570 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:29,000 just don't know if there's a route right now and it's a shame 571 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,800 because I, you know, this will go down. 572 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,000 Historically I think is one of those Seasons where you look at. 573 00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:38,500 You look at the Top Line. CED winning MVP. 574 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,500 Your kind of forget what happened outside of that, 575 00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,600 because that's the nature of things and yet, realistically, 576 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,100 when you go in, and look at the numbers, someone's going to be, 577 00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:49,500 like, I don't, I can't believe this this season the trace 578 00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:51,600 Jackson Davis had, I mean, you're talking. 579 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,600 This is like, you know, it's like, you know, any time you had 580 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,800 a great player in the Big Ten that was just slightly 581 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,300 superseded by another great play. 582 00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:01,700 It's happened a couple times with IU. 583 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:05,700 It sky mean it's probably how. Well, it's probably a like Chris 584 00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:08,900 Webber Felton. In 1993, you know, where he has 585 00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,300 this, you know, really remarkable statistical season, 586 00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:14,400 but Calbert cheaney sets the Big Ten scoring record and ends up 587 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,800 winning National player of the year. 588 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,600 I mean, sometimes it happens and there's not a lot you can do 589 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,400 about it, but tip your cap and say, well gosh, it was just the 590 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,400 fates of the times, it'd be a fun experiment to go back and 591 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,300 look and see like what years Trace Jackson Davis would have 592 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:29,800 won that Big Ten Player of the Year and like is there any year 593 00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:31,900 where maybe he would have also run into this? 594 00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:36,000 The two things I'll say with the Ed thing is that on one hand, it 595 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,400 also sucks. He's like the exact same 596 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,500 position, because, at least if he was a guard, you can be like, 597 00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:42,900 all right, well, least it in the National level. 598 00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:46,000 They'll break up all the awards and like, you know, who hit when 599 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,900 player the year, but like it's like, you know, all the big 600 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:52,200 posts, you know, all the awards were probably gonna go Jackson 601 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,400 Davis, could end up with nothing because he's like plays. 602 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,600 The same position on the flip side. 603 00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:00,700 It does show how special those Indiana Purdue games. 604 00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:03,000 Are like it's, it's also mind-boggling to think. 605 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,100 You have the two best players in the country. 606 00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:08,100 Both playing the same position. Mission both in the same 607 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:11,800 conference at each other's rival and we get to see them. 608 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,700 Not only played the teams to get. 609 00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:17,000 Like, we can just see 38 minutes where they're guarding each 610 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,500 other and they're playing each other and to your point. 611 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:23,100 I'll just end on this. I do think there is a narrative 612 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:26,700 path for Indiana to help. Trace Jackson. 613 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:29,700 Davis get the player of the year in the Big Ten Player of the 614 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:32,000 Year and that this is not easy. I'm not saying they're going to 615 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,400 do this, not saying they have to do is not saying it's even 616 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,100 something. They like if they beat In West 617 00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:39,300 Lafayette. And then if they meet again in 618 00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:41,700 the Big Ten tournament and they beat Purdue again. 619 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,700 And Trace Jackson, Davis has similar games, not saying, again 620 00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:47,800 not saying have to going to, but it's like, then you do really 621 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,500 have a narrative where it's like, all right, man. 622 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:53,400 Ed puts up all these numbers, but they've met three times and 623 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,100 Jackson Davis has that team has won every single time. 624 00:31:57,100 --> 00:32:00,600 And then, I do think there's a real narrative case that could 625 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,800 get him, the Big Ten player of the year, but again that's 626 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,700 really hard to do. We're getting ahead of ourselves 627 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:08,600 Alright. That's but just that would be 628 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,400 well, the path you go down but that's you're asking a lot and 629 00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:13,800 well I'm not sure you even need to do that. 630 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,500 I've heard it. Do you mentioned it earlier? 631 00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:17,500 If heard the talk about? Well what if they what are they 632 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:20,200 were Co Big 10 players of the Year, believe it or not, that's 633 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,200 only happened. Three times in the history of 634 00:32:22,208 --> 00:32:25,000 the award and I you players have been part of two of those 635 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,100 instances. The first time it happened was 636 00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:32,100 1989 when it was Co players of the year with Glen Rice at 637 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:33,800 Michigan. Who set the all-time Big Ten 638 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,600 scoring record that your and J Edwards. 639 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,200 Who Had that insane string of shots that he hit the help 640 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,100 Indiana. When the Big Ten title it 641 00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:46,800 happened in 1999 when Mateen Cleaves and scoonie pain. 642 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,100 There's a name for your blast from the past and up winning. 643 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,400 Go Big Ten Player of the Year and that it happened again. 644 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,300 The next year with AJ Guyton from Indiana and Morris 645 00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:59,900 Peterson. And you know it's that to me 646 00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:02,300 that's kind of a similar Dynamic right now. 647 00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:05,700 It's like Michigan. State was the better team in 648 00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:07,500 terms of like what? What they were doing on the 649 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:11,400 court and AJ gaytan was offensively, what made that? 650 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,600 Indiana, teamwork. And so you know I think you hit 651 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,900 the nail on the head though it's almost easier in a lot of cases 652 00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:23,700 to justify co-players of the year. 653 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,200 If the players are very different position wise here, 654 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,300 it's like, well, who is the better Center? 655 00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:32,800 Even though I look at Trace Jackson, Davis, a look exact ET 656 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,700 and it's like, well they're they technically play the same 657 00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,900 position but they're like, 7 inches apart. 658 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,500 And they, you know, Trace Jackson Davis is definition of 659 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:43,200 what he's doing. In his position is entirely 660 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,500 different from what Zach 80s doing. 661 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:47,900 They're both effective. I just I would be surprised 662 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,900 mostly because the people that vote on these things tend to be 663 00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:55,200 so obsessed. In a murdered with, you know, 664 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,100 how easy does that player? Make it look and that is 665 00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,000 essentially what Zaki does and that's probably going to lead to 666 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,600 him winning player the year and look, well, well received on 667 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,900 that front but just It for Trace Jackson Davis, that that ends up 668 00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:11,800 being the year that he has this kind of a breakout season. 669 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,199 Yeah, last question, this was going to be an after pod 670 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,900 question when I asked it now because you are my resident 671 00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:20,300 historian, I'm looking at it. Now I don't know the answer to 672 00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:22,500 this. Why is the Big Ten Player of the 673 00:34:22,507 --> 00:34:25,600 Year first given out and 8485? Why do they not give it out 674 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,400 before that? I mean that's a great question 675 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,800 and I don't entirely know. I will say that you know a lot 676 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,300 of these scuse me. Sorry that's a that's a very I 677 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:38,800 recently. Well you got to keep in mind 678 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,500 that a lot of what we think has been around. 679 00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:43,800 Forever hasn't been around forever. 680 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,699 It's like the NCAA tournament up until the mid 70s. 681 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,600 Only took one team from each conference that there were not 682 00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:57,500 at-large bids. So, you know, the even the idea 683 00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:01,900 of a top-25 has only really been around for about the last 35 684 00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:04,000 years. I mean, there was a top 20, but 685 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,500 there wasn't a top-25 until you started. 686 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,100 To get into the bowl Coalition era in the early 90s. 687 00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:13,600 And so I think a lot of it is like in the 80s when this really 688 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,000 became a business and and there, you know, conferences wanted to 689 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000 Market their teams and their players and they realized that 690 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,500 there was some valid the validity of that, that's when 691 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:27,200 that really got going. And, you know, it's like the 692 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,700 makes for a great trivia question. 693 00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:31,300 Like I would have been a hundred percent wrong on this. 694 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:34,700 Like who's the first Big Ten Player of the Year from Indiana? 695 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,500 What's like the Naismith award only goes? 696 00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:39,100 Bachelor pay Edwards, you be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 697 00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:40,600 Sorry. The Naismith award only goes 698 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,300 back to 1969 and it's like, what you'd have thought that had been 699 00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:44,900 around for a while? It has a. 700 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,800 So that's why I think ultimately all of these conferences, the 701 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,900 80s, transformed what they were doing. 702 00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:55,300 And so that is where we're at with this and it is interesting. 703 00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:57,400 How you can probably retroactively go back and figure 704 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,300 out who the perspective player of the year would have been, but 705 00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:03,300 it does matter. I think that you know at least 706 00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:07,200 now we've got almost a 40 year. Sample size of Players of the 707 00:36:07,207 --> 00:36:08,300 year. It is kind of odd that they 708 00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:10,300 weren't doing it before then though, go. 709 00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:12,900 Alright, let's off that. It would be fats, a fun podcast, 710 00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:16,600 we go back and retroactively, do they'll 40 years previous of big 711 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,600 10 players the year. So, As Indiana looks forward. 712 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,700 You know, I think what's interesting about where they're 713 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:27,100 at right now that win was very important in that. 714 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,500 Now they are alone in second place in the Big Ten. 715 00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:35,900 They're you know, they're a solid three games behind Purdue 716 00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:39,100 and it really is hard to Envision Purdue being caught, 717 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,100 but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility there, 718 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:45,600 you know, I you will almost certainly end of the weekend and 719 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,700 sole possession of second place and less Northwestern pulls the 720 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:52,600 upset. At home against Purdue, which is 721 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,800 entirely possible. Like it's, you know, but I mean 722 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,800 people forget that Purdue team was in overtime at Nebraska 723 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,500 earlier this year and has struggled in certain Road games. 724 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,400 But I would, you know, I mean it's it's one of those things 725 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,700 where if Purdue loses that game they're 12 and 6 Indiana's 9 and 726 00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:12,600 5 now it's like hmm. Well the you got up you get to 727 00:37:12,607 --> 00:37:15,900 play Purdue again and now suddenly if you win that now 728 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:18,300 you're within a game and a half of a breeze, right? 729 00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:20,200 12 and 3. Yeah, that's are 12 and 3 Yeah. 730 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,400 But you know realism, yeah, it's produced got to lose to and we 731 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,000 got to beat them, but the rest, but I am. 732 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,600 But the flip side is if Purdue goes ahead and wins and there 733 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,600 are 13 and 2 and Northwestern losses and there at 8 and 6. 734 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,700 This is where it gets interesting because then you get 735 00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:37,300 to play Northwestern next. If Indiana is able to go into 736 00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:40,600 Evanston, has not been easy for them or many other teams and win 737 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,900 that game. Now, you're ten and five in 738 00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:46,000 conference and you've really put some separation between 739 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,700 yourself. And one of the team's, that's 740 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,800 chasing you for a double. I, you know, the schedule for 741 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,100 the other team starts to come into play here because, you 742 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:59,000 know, Maryland's, next game is at home versus Purdue Rutgers is 743 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,300 leaking licking their wounds a bit. 744 00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:03,500 They really had a struggle on the road and Rutgers is only one 745 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:05,600 two Road games all year. This is something that people 746 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,400 aren't aware, of like Rutgers has not been good away from the 747 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,400 the New York Metroplex. Illinois has to go to Penn State 748 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,400 and we know you think that Illinois would just go in and 749 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,600 win that game. But the way Penn State's been 750 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,600 playing, who knows? I mean, you Could get a game 751 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,900 where they hit 33s and they end up winning the game. 752 00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:26,900 So, this is, you know, this sequence right here is where 753 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:30,700 Indiana gets Northwestern on the road, they get Illinois at home. 754 00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:34,300 That's their next two games. You know, we talked a lot about 755 00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:36,600 these little sequences of games. A couple of weeks ago, we were 756 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,100 talking about this home sequence against Purdue and Rutgers and 757 00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:41,200 it's like gosh, could they win one of those? 758 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,400 Could they win both? What if they lose both then? 759 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,300 It was like, well, there's this two-game, road sequence. 760 00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:47,100 Next at Michigan at Northwestern. 761 00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,000 Can they win one of the two you've won? 762 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,400 One of the two? Can win that second and then 763 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,900 come back home and take care of business against Illinois. 764 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,200 Now you've really separated yourself, you're an 11 and 5 in 765 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,200 the conference and that's we're going back to what you said at 766 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,200 the beginning. It becomes less important you 767 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,500 know, to win those remaining games. 768 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:09,600 But the flip side is you're getting more confident in your 769 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,700 ability to win those games. And this is, this is almost the 770 00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:18,500 exact inverse right now, for Indiana of what we saw in, you 771 00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:21,000 know, in Archie's first. Season certainly in Archie, 772 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,900 second season, even last season and Archie's career will be 773 00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:26,500 well. But also last year in Mike 774 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:30,100 Woodson's first year like this team would lose a game and then 775 00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:32,700 they lose another game. And then it was just this like 776 00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:37,000 doubt long downward spiral of crisis of confidence, and it 777 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,200 would take them to three weeks to get back on their feet. 778 00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:44,100 And I almost feel like what we saw yesterday was the result of 779 00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:46,400 a team going the opposite direction, where it's like, 780 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,000 yeah, well we've won seven of eight and If we're not playing 781 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,300 well, we feel like we can actually get ourselves together 782 00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:56,800 and figure out a way to win this game tonight. 783 00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:01,400 And so that's where you'd want to be Indiana in this case 784 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,400 because Indiana has momentum going for it now. 785 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,400 It's not one of those things. That is something I'd go and you 786 00:40:09,408 --> 00:40:12,200 know, bet the bank on and I certainly think that they're 787 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,400 going to lose at least a couple of the six games that they've 788 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,000 got remaining in the regular season. 789 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,400 But the everything's rolling in the good direction for Why you 790 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,200 when you consider that, they didn't even have race Thompson 791 00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:25,400 in that game. Yesterday, they only played 792 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,600 seven players, they somehow figured out a way to make it 793 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,800 work, that's a good sign and that really bodes. 794 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,000 Well from my perspective, in terms of a team with that kind 795 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,800 of mentality is very, very difficult to play against. 796 00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:41,100 And while you're right, this Indiana team will be a scalp for 797 00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:44,900 everybody remaining on the schedule and as tough as the 798 00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:48,000 schedules been, it actually lays out in a way where they're going 799 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,500 to be able to put the right kind of distance between Themselves 800 00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:53,200 on the team is behind them. If they are able to go out and 801 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,000 win on a regular basis, if we win one of our next to I know 802 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,600 you're thinking a little higher aspirations, I just want to get 803 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,800 very realistic about some real aspirations. 804 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,500 Be one of the next two. We guarantee us a 500 record in 805 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:09,000 the Big Ten, we win Northwestern Illinois. 806 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,500 We guarantee a above 500 record in the Big Ten, which again it's 807 00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:16,100 you know, that's not what we're shooting for here. 808 00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:19,300 But we haven't made that shot in quite a number of years so it is 809 00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:22,200 nice. To be able to say before March, 810 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,100 we've solidified a, you know, guaranteed a above 500 records 811 00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:29,400 milk and that's good. But no, you mention about Vibes 812 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,000 and kind of the feel the team, I completely agree. 813 00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:36,200 And while it sucks, you know, I one of my really good friends on 814 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,000 the street, here is a Michigan State fan to keep them looking 815 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,200 at their schedule and like, oh, they have, you know, on Earth, 816 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,100 Western at home and now they're playing, you know, Wisconsin. 817 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:45,100 It's our Minnesota. It's like everybody else seems 818 00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:46,500 to have these. Just like, I look around the big 819 00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:49,000 Ten's and everyone sees you playing Minnesota are every 820 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,100 other game. It's like we have the toughest 821 00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:54,400 schedule that said. I love how it breaks for us, 822 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,100 because I do think that, as Road games, go Northwestern while not 823 00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:02,200 easy is the easier, you know, that's easier than a Michigan 824 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,700 State, or Purdue. I like that matchup Northwestern 825 00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:07,800 Illinois. And like I said, I'm nervous 826 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,000 about going to East Lansing, going to West Lafayette, but I 827 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,500 like that, it then rolls up with two home games after that. 828 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:17,200 So you kind of can To your point, you can win the next to 829 00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:19,500 you. Could you lose Michigan State 830 00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:22,200 and Purdue by, you know, 10 15 points? 831 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,000 Each you can come back, lick your wounds, kind of reset. 832 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000 And now get ready for the push of March. 833 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,200 It's much better to have it that way than reverse it. 834 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,800 Where you'd have Iowa Michigan at home and then you go into the 835 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,800 Big Ten tournament on two straight losses. 836 00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:37,200 Maybe you then have a crisis of confidence and I know it's been 837 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,400 mentioned a bunch of times but you know you at some point here 838 00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:43,800 we're getting really close. I think you're going to see 839 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,500 Xavier Johnson. Coming back and that's an all 840 00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:49,200 Big Ten player. He's not going to come in at a 841 00:42:49,207 --> 00:42:52,100 hundred percent. But with the way we're playing 842 00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,500 in the way that he plays the way he shoots, he could, like I've 843 00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:57,800 said before, he could be a spot up to like I think there are 844 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,900 ways to we've him in that are going to be helpful. 845 00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:01,900 I think race is going to continue to get better. 846 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:05,200 I think you look at like, Jordan Geronimo, he's going to continue 847 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,500 to get healthier. You know, that's the other 848 00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:10,600 positive. This team has, is there playing 849 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,100 with confidence, the kind of playing with house money, so to 850 00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:14,700 speak. And they have a lot of pieces. 851 00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:18,600 That are going to be coming back and or should be getting 852 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,500 healthier moving forward. The only concern you have is 853 00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,600 right now to get through that to you get to that point where the 854 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,800 guys are healthy. You're putting some serious load 855 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,000 Management on guys like Trace Jackson Davis and Jalen Channel, 856 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,500 hit Ruffino. You know the last couple of 857 00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:35,300 games. You know, when you look at the 858 00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:42,100 number of minutes for Trace its 40 39, 39 38, 33, 39 39 3533 859 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,000 it's is one of those things. Where it's like you mentioned it 860 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,800 but it's also like you got to do it. 861 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,000 Like I don't know what else you do? 862 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,300 You got to play them and you're at a point where you hope, you 863 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:55,700 know, he's 22, 23 years old, you have basically another, you 864 00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:58,600 know, six weeks of hard basketball and it's like we're 865 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,400 just going to kind of run this and hope we don't hit e on the 866 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,400 tank before we get to, you know, whatever our end of the season, 867 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,800 is it would be nice to have some easy games that you could sit 868 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,800 racetracks and Davis town in or so to be nice at home right 869 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,200 here. Look at all of that, right? 870 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,200 But I mean, Look, that's, it's not likely to happen and you do 871 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,300 have, I mean, Trace Jackson Davis while he was injured. 872 00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:23,700 I mean, being able to not play for three of the game so far. 873 00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:26,200 This year does take a little bit of mileage off. 874 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,500 The odometer that would be there. 875 00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:30,200 Otherwise, I do think that what you're saying though, brings up 876 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,100 a point that's worth mentioning, which is that I you like it, 877 00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:38,900 what's going to separate? I, you, they do from a great 878 00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:43,500 season in, in 0, is going to be can trace Jackson. 879 00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:46,500 Davis is teammates. It's come in and do things and 880 00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:49,400 take over games. I do think Xavier Johnson's a 881 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,000 big piece on that, because that's really, you think about 882 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,500 this team, like the ability that what we saw at the very 883 00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:58,100 beginning of the year. What God has so excited was 884 00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:01,600 traced Jackson Davis playing at this level, Jalen Hurd, Shafi 885 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,900 know, being able to play in an off the ball roll, get the ball 886 00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:08,700 and do things, and Xavier Johnson acting as a primary 887 00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:11,200 ball-handler. Like, that was really hard to 888 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,100 stop for a lot of different teams that we saw Xavier had a 889 00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:17,300 hard time with North Carolina had a hard time with it, then we 890 00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:18,600 race. Good, never saw that again 891 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,400 because then Jalen Hurd, Ruffino got injured, then Trace Jackson, 892 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,100 Davis, got injured, then Xavier Johnson got injured. 893 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,200 I don't know if we'll get a full strength, save your Johnson 894 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,300 back. You know what's nice about this 895 00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:33,300 stretch is that Jalen Hurd Ruffino is coming to his own so 896 00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:38,000 much, and Trace Jackson Davis has been so steady that even 897 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,600 when Jalen Hurd chiffino's having a bad shooting day. 898 00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:44,000 He's normally able to contribute now at least in some way and 899 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,200 that's different from What it was even like a month and a half 900 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,100 ago? Yeah, with this team though they 901 00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:52,500 really have to have someone else step up and maybe it's not the 902 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:56,400 same person every game. But somebody you know I think 903 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,800 Miller cop deserves a lot of credit. 904 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,600 He's really raised his defensive game significantly from what it 905 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,500 was a month ago. He played jet Howard last night 906 00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:06,600 and I think Jan Howard. Hey what like 12 or 13 times 907 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,200 only thing. That's a tooth of 248 from three 908 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,600 and that's that's still a cop is probably not going to play a lot 909 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,100 of time in the NBA jet Howard. And Miller played him amazingly 910 00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:19,900 well and I'll say this sorry I'm just jumping on Miller cop like 911 00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:24,900 what he's able to do that. That is a very nice skill. 912 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,600 Is, he's able to stay locked in. He's a three-point shooter and 913 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,100 as we've said many times, they don't want a ton of sets for him 914 00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:34,800 but, you know, he's getting better now just shooting and not 915 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,300 pump faking, but I got to give him credit on this. 916 00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:40,800 He's fantastic at he'll go seven, eight, nine minutes 917 00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:43,500 without really touching the ball offensively but he stays locked 918 00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:45,400 in defensively and at bat it's a skill. 919 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,900 You see a lot of guys like tomorrow bait Strega like they 920 00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:51,800 have issued troubles sometimes staying you know they get they 921 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,400 don't play well all offensively, it seeped in their defense if 922 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,200 you don't see that with cop at all it's very much. 923 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,500 That's a fifth-year adult in the room where it's like I can be a 924 00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:03,100 professional at this level and I can do what needs to be done 925 00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:04,800 even though they're not running a lot. 926 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,000 For me offensive, I could still say locked in defensively and 927 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,000 I've been very impressed, see that no more. 928 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,800 So in the last night against a guy, like, Howard, ya know, 929 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,600 it's, it's a good point and it's one of those things. 930 00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:18,400 Our Miller cop. That's the probably the quietest 931 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,600 part of his game. It's gotten better over the 932 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,100 course of time and I do think he deserves a lot of credit for my 933 00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:27,200 larger point is you have to have offensive contribution, it's not 934 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,200 just defense. Like it feels really with maybe 935 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:35,300 one or two quasi exceptions everybody's bought in and really 936 00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:37,500 into it defensively. Now, they didn't start the game 937 00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:39,600 like that, but they finished the game like that last night. 938 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,500 I think that, that really is one of the key differences and 939 00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:45,400 there's a couple of guys who I just don't Think they just don't 940 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,500 know where they're supposed to be defensively and that's 941 00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:51,900 created some problems. But offensively this team, the 942 00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:54,300 difference between this team like making a Deep Run in the 943 00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:57,800 Big Ten tournament or NCAA tournament and just like you 944 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,100 know, winning a game is when they go through these offensive 945 00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:05,400 stretches where they can't score having somebody be able to step 946 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,500 up and put some points on the board and you know where they've 947 00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:10,800 been successful. In this last night's game was 948 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,600 kind of unique in this regard where they you know they didn't 949 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,000 get That essentially, in last night's game, they got 28 out of 950 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,800 tjd, they got 21 out of hood. Should be no they got four 951 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,200 points out of the next leading scorer. 952 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,200 Like that's probably not going to get it done. 953 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,700 But you look at the Rutgers game, you know, they got they 954 00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:33,300 got 18 out of cop and and Jalen Trevino didn't put up a whole 955 00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:36,500 lot of shots but he that wasn't really part of the game that 956 00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:40,000 game and he still scored seven which was, which was decent in 957 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,700 the Purdue game, they get eleven out of tray Galloway. 958 00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:47,800 You know, and you can go back and look at most of the winds 959 00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:51,500 that Indiana has had in this stretch tomorrow Bates, you 960 00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:53,400 know, as popped up and done things on occasion. 961 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,200 Malik renew had 15 again that Ohio State game. 962 00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:59,300 So it doesn't have to be the same person every game. 963 00:48:59,300 --> 00:49:01,200 I think it's probably unrealistic to think that it 964 00:49:01,207 --> 00:49:05,300 will be, but this is where if you could get a full string, 965 00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:07,800 Xavier Johnson, or even an 80 percent strength, Xavier drown, 966 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,300 some back, he has the ability to be that third scorer and he 967 00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:14,600 opens up somebody else to be that third score. 968 00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,700 If it's not him on that day because he can get them the 969 00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:19,700 ball. Because right now is, you know, 970 00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:21,900 Jane Lynch your fee. Know you might want to criticize 971 00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:25,500 him for this or that, but he's having to be both a scorer and a 972 00:49:25,508 --> 00:49:28,100 distributor, and essentially traced Jackson Davis is having 973 00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:30,700 to do the same thing. So it's like, let's take some 974 00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:34,400 burden off the guys, and that's where I think, especially on the 975 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,400 road that this, where it's tougher. 976 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,100 Indiana, because it almost has to be either tray, Galloway, or 977 00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:44,200 Miller cop because Malik renew, you know, as well as well as he 978 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,300 played in. The previous two games, looked 979 00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:49,700 completely out of sorts for most of yesterday's game tomorrow. 980 00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:52,100 Bates. Look completely out of sorts for 981 00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:55,400 the game and and you know woods and said afterwards that he 982 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,600 didn't even play Kayla Banks or CJ gun because he didn't want to 983 00:49:58,607 --> 00:50:01,900 put the pressure on them. That was existing in a game like 984 00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:04,300 yesterday, which is probably pretty smart. 985 00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:06,100 You can definitely say it's markers. 986 00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:07,900 They won the game. You know, men might not have 987 00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:10,500 looked as smart if they lost, but I understand the mentality 988 00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:14,600 there, but they've got to get more. 989 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,200 Justin see across the board, that's really the difference, 990 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,600 right? That's what produce able to do 991 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,500 like when produce having an off night from ET, you know, 992 00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:25,400 someone's able to step up and score a bunch of points in his 993 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,400 stead, can Indiana get over that. 994 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,400 Hump between now and the time that the tournament starts, 995 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,400 that's to me. One of the big remaining 996 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:37,100 questions about this team, just sit with one final moment and 997 00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:39,600 this Michigan game, because we went through so many of these in 998 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,100 the Archie Era, Michigan fans have got to be just kicking 999 00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:44,500 themselves. They look at the stat line. 1000 00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:47,200 It's like that. You know, not only did, you 1001 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,400 know, the second third leading scorer, had four points like of 1002 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,700 takeout, Jackson, Davis and hoods Ruffino. 1003 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,800 Everybody else who played for IU total, 12 shot attempts. 1004 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,600 Yeah like you know each again tomorrow Bates had five of those 1005 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,800 you take him out like everybody else only had you know six other 1006 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,600 are sorry math. My head seven other attempts. 1007 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,700 Like it's it's mind-boggling. How to guys just beat that you 1008 00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:11,700 mentioned, like they got to be Shooters and Distributors 1009 00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:13,700 they're basically Shooters our Distributors to each other. 1010 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,900 Like it's You look at this game, you look at the stat line. 1011 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,500 You look at the numbers, like Michigan fans have got to be 1012 00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:21,500 kicking themselves, like, damn, but we needed a win. 1013 00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:23,600 This one of the great win. It was sitting there. 1014 00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:26,700 How do we let Indiana beat us? Like it just we've been sitting 1015 00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:30,300 in that spot so many times, it's fun on a Sunday morning in 1016 00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:32,100 February to be in the reverse side. 1017 00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:35,000 So just take a moment and bask in that Glory but I'm with you 1018 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,000 though, these kinds of games and those kinds of stats are not, 1019 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,200 those are not going to be what you can consistently do to win 1020 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,200 games and late February and Early March, but we're in a 1021 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,800 great spot and we are. I love the way you say it. 1022 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:54,100 The very elusive double by like we are so close to tasting that 1023 00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:58,200 double by and look again it's one of those where there's a 1024 00:51:58,207 --> 00:52:02,000 double by Banner go, it's a good quote, maybe it may be in the 1025 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,700 lobby actually that might be the best spot for it. 1026 00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:10,300 It at all, I'll say this like Indiana, there was the stats 1027 00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:16,200 have changed a little bit but Indiana has Bottom four teams of 1028 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,000 the bottom five teams in the conference. 1029 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,600 They will play once this season. They're going to play if they're 1030 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,900 playing Minnesota. Once they're going to play Ohio 1031 00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:27,100 State once they're going to play Nebraska, once they're going to 1032 00:52:27,107 --> 00:52:29,700 play Penn State once, and they're going to play Wisconsin. 1033 00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:32,000 Once that's the bottom. Five teams Indiana's going to 1034 00:52:32,008 --> 00:52:37,500 play each of them one time this season and, and you go down the 1035 00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:38,800 rest of the way. You know, they've got another 1036 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,100 game against Michigan State. They've got another game against 1037 00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:42,400 Michigan. They got another game against 1038 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,500 Iowa, they got another game against Northwestern against 1039 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,200 Illinois against Purdue. So it is the Hard Road and it's 1040 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,700 why, you know, it's just the way that sorry, this just in we're 1041 00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:53,800 playing Alabama, right? In Alabama they got added to the 1042 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,900 Big Ten this for a while and play off and Houston, but for 1043 00:52:56,900 --> 00:53:00,700 fun but the, you know, the way that it breaks is the way that 1044 00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:02,300 it breaks. And certainly I think people 1045 00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:04,800 thought, Ohio, State and Wisconsin, we're going to be 1046 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,500 better this year and people probably thought that Maryland 1047 00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:09,900 and Northwestern. We're going to be worse. 1048 00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:12,000 And so, that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. 1049 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,300 But if Indiana can pull a double by off at the against this 1050 00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:18,500 sketch, That to me is incredibly impressive and that bodes. 1051 00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:23,600 Well for this team's ability to do some things in March Beyond. 1052 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,200 Just make it to the NCAA tournament and so we'll see what 1053 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,400 happens. I mean look as we've talked 1054 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,700 about now for almost a month, you could be the second best 1055 00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:35,600 team in the conference in terms of quality and end up with a 1056 00:53:35,607 --> 00:53:39,000 sixth or seventh seed simply because you end up in a five-way 1057 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,900 tie and someone else got to play, you know, Minnesota twice 1058 00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:44,500 and you only got to play them once like that. 1059 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,100 That's that's kind of the level of things that you're at right 1060 00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:48,800 now, so we'll see what happens with all that. 1061 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:54,600 Anyway, let's wrap up any final. Thoughts from you before we move 1062 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,400 on and finish things off here. No, I think you hit it on the 1063 00:53:58,408 --> 00:54:01,100 head, like, it is. This is where I think it's very 1064 00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:03,800 important. We can keep that space out of 1065 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,900 that morass below us of just teams the middle because I don't 1066 00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:10,700 want us to be, you know, dependent on buys. 1067 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,300 Sorry dependent on tiebreaks to figure out where we are in the 1068 00:54:13,308 --> 00:54:16,100 Big Ten Tournament because Like we mentioned, you're going to 1069 00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:19,200 have to ride Jalen hitch, a fee. No and Jackson Davis through 1070 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,000 most of the rest of this. And so that's where not just for 1071 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,100 who you play. And we'll getting that double by 1072 00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:25,500 in the Big Ten Tournament is key. 1073 00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:27,900 Just from a rest perspective. You know, we saw it last year 1074 00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:31,300 where you know the NCAA did us. No favors but by the time you 1075 00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:32,400 get to that st. Mary's game. 1076 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,100 That was just a scheduled loss but it's you can't we put 1077 00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:39,500 ourselves in that position to have to play that many games and 1078 00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:41,600 to get jacked around by the tournament. 1079 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,700 You know, if you get to a double by and you know what, Wait, 1080 00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:46,800 timeout. You say all this, but I would 1081 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,600 like to remind you that last year, four teams had the double 1082 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,500 by three of them lost their first game in the Big Ten 1083 00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:55,500 Tournament. So, just just, uh, because 1084 00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:58,600 Illinois, lost Indiana, obviously Rutgers loss to Iowa, 1085 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,600 Wisconsin lost to Michigan State. 1086 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,600 The only team that one that had the double by was Purdue and 1087 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,700 even they struggled against the Penn State team that wasn't 1088 00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:10,400 particularly good. So you know, it's three to four 1089 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,600 rest more than I agree. I would not, I would love it. 1090 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,400 And it's like a status Because you get the double by and 1091 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,100 particularly for Indiana who at that point will be at like 21, 1092 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,400 22 wins. It's like, wow, that's a 1093 00:55:24,408 --> 00:55:26,100 clearly. Not just a tournament team, but 1094 00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:29,300 that's a team that could compete for a protected seed and that's 1095 00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:30,400 going to be the big question mark. 1096 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:31,700 That's the last thing I wanted to hit on. 1097 00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:34,600 Before we wrap up, I haven't done Bracketology yet today. 1098 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,000 Yeah, and I was going to lead you to that. 1099 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,300 Just real quick. Go ahead has I'm listening to 1100 00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:41,000 you on the way up to Fort Wayne yesterday. 1101 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,200 Talking about Bracketology you do a people in listen to it. 1102 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,700 Go back. And listen to the last pot, it's 1103 00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:48,600 a solo Gala, but you do a great job of kind of laying it out, 1104 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,000 and it's funny cause I'm driving back, listening to assembly 1105 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,500 call. And one of the the chat mob is 1106 00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:56,000 like, well as this moves up a seed line and you don't Satya 1107 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,900 coach tons on. He's like talking about it, but 1108 00:55:57,900 --> 00:55:59,300 it's like, you brought it up perfectly. 1109 00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:02,300 It's like these things are not in a vacuum and suck one win. 1110 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,400 You can't just move up a line because other teams have to move 1111 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,900 down to luckily those teams are losing right. 1112 00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:10,600 Um, but yeah. It's, I mean, you know, we're in 1113 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,800 an odd spot where it's like, I think at best case, we can get a 1114 00:56:13,808 --> 00:56:15,600 three. But I think we're going to start 1115 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,500 building a case for a four seed pretty quickly if we win the 1116 00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:19,400 next to. Ya know. 1117 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,800 I mean certainly look that this is where like a loss last night 1118 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,700 wasn't gonna hurt Indiana. I mean, it's a road game. 1119 00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:30,400 It's a tier 1 game. Even if you don't look at 1120 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,400 Michigan and say, clearly tier one team but they are, I mean 1121 00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:37,000 Iowa state who's I think direct competition for Indiana right 1122 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,100 now. For a four seed though, they've 1123 00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:43,300 got seven Tier 1 wins but one of them is at Oklahoma, they are 1124 00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:46,100 these 7015. Mmmmmm in the net, which means 1125 00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:49,200 if they drop one spot, that's no longer a tier 1 win. 1126 00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:52,000 So I hate the tier system. I think it's really stupid and 1127 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,600 arbitrary in a lot of ways, but Indiana, like they've got 1128 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,400 everything that you would want in a four seed but it's not in a 1129 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,800 vacuum. And I look at it like this and I 1130 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,700 haven't done the update today, so maybe my thoughts will 1131 00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:10,400 change, but you look above them and You've got essentially from 1132 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,100 the middle of the three line down to where Indiana's at its 1133 00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:17,500 Gonzaga Xavier Marquette, Kansas State Yukon, Iowa State, and 1134 00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:21,200 Indiana, and it's easy to, you know, I hate the stupid 1135 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,900 simplistic logic that a lot of basketball color commentators, 1136 00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:27,500 like Bill Walton last night where, you know, it's like we 1137 00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:30,700 will Pro do loses an Indiana. Nothing happens to them. 1138 00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:32,000 And it's like that. Yes, that's right. 1139 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,900 Because you're allowed, this isn't like believe it or not and 1140 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,400 the the tournament. This hen seed, the tournament 1141 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,300 selection process is much in more intelligent than the poles. 1142 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,300 Because the poles are like, oh, you lost, you have to drop even 1143 00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:50,400 if you lost to a team that you should have lost to. 1144 00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,500 It's the stupid. It's, you know, watching the 1145 00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:55,300 poles. Cause I have a couple of friends 1146 00:57:55,300 --> 00:58:00,000 of mine that vote in the polls watching their votes and talking 1147 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,700 with them about it and watching the stupid reactionary bullshit 1148 00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:07,500 that you see out of a lot of Voters for games, stripped 1149 00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:11,800 completely of Text is just it's just it's mind-boggling to me 1150 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,700 that we're still treating things like that. 1151 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,600 We're still acting like we're getting scores by telegram, you 1152 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,900 know, or sent To Us by like, you know, Western Union or something 1153 00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:24,000 like that or Pony Express, it's like oh wow though the 1154 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,000 number-one team lost on the road to a top, 20 team. 1155 00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:28,800 I must drop them in my whole voting. 1156 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:34,500 No, you know, it's so you anyway rant on that aside. 1157 00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:38,600 You looking at you look at Indiana and yes that was a A 1158 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:39,800 nice win. It was a road win. 1159 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,500 That's very important. I don't know that Marquette. 1160 00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:47,000 Kansas State Yukon, Iowa State. I don't know that what they've 1161 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,100 done, might, you know, is necessarily going to drop them 1162 00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:50,100 below. Indiana. 1163 00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:53,000 The one team that I have to look at him and I'll just do it right 1164 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,000 now. Since we're on the one team, I 1165 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,800 think you can make a justification for moving, 1166 00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,200 Indiana above right now, might be Kansas State, you know, they 1167 00:59:01,700 --> 00:59:04,000 they lost that they had yesterday was not a good one, 1168 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,700 they lost at Texas Tech but that's still a it's still a tier 1169 00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:09,100 1 loss and a lot of it just Depends on. 1170 00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:12,300 Are you going to weigh the resume heavily? 1171 00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:16,000 Because if that's the case, just looking at net rankings, Kansas 1172 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,500 State's going to rank ahead of Indiana because the Big 12 like 1173 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,300 eight of their nine. Other top 10 teams actually all 1174 00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:25,100 10 I think are in the top 75 of the net. 1175 00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:28,900 Where is Indiana? You know while they played a lot 1176 00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:32,600 of really good teams they don't have quite that level of 1177 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,100 competition, those numbers kind of add up mathematically over 1178 00:59:36,100 --> 00:59:39,800 time and it just comes becomes hard for Big Ten team, any big 1179 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,100 10 team, Indiana Illinois Rutgers to overcome the 1180 00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:46,700 statistical advantage. That the Big 12 teams are going 1181 00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:49,100 to have this year as well as the Big East teams. 1182 00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:51,700 I mean Yukon, even though they're not playing very well 1183 00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:53,300 right now. If you look at them straight 1184 00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:56,200 from a numbers perspective, they still look like a top 10 team 1185 00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,000 because they built such a huge efficiency margin in the first 1186 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,200 part of the season and that's what the computer see. 1187 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,700 So this is going to be interesting. 1188 01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:07,300 I you is going to be one of those teams that for, once in 1189 01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:11,100 our programs, We might benefit from the eye test as opposed to 1190 01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:13,900 being punished by the eye test. So that'll be kind of a curious 1191 01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:17,200 thing to watch moving forward. But certainly, I think a for is 1192 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,400 well, on the cards, what I would tell everybody to do is next 1193 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,100 Sunday. So what is that, the 19th, the 1194 01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:30,400 NCAA selection committee, chairman always comes on CBS 1195 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:35,000 during that weekend and gives the update on here, are the top 1196 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,400 four seeds in each region and that is about, The first and 1197 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,500 sometimes the only window that we really get into what the 1198 01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:46,600 committee is preferring in a given year because it's not 1199 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,500 always the same thing. It's not always what we're going 1200 01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:53,300 to prefer you know better you do better predictive squad one wins 1201 01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:56,200 Road wins, whatever. So you really get a sense there, 1202 01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,000 this is what they're thinking and you can normally figure out 1203 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,500 from that point. What kind of a chance you've got 1204 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,300 to get a certain seat. So like everything you see every 1205 01:01:04,300 --> 01:01:07,200 bracket that's being produced right now is essentially 1206 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,500 educated guesses. Has based upon what the 1207 01:01:09,508 --> 01:01:12,600 committee has done which doesn't necessarily mean that that's 1208 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,200 what the committee's going to do. 1209 01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:17,100 And we really don't know until that update what the committee 1210 01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:21,700 is likely going to do. All that said, I think Indiana 1211 01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:25,400 right now is probably either the first five or the last four. 1212 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,600 I will let you know when I put the bracket together. 1213 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,000 Sometime later on today. Sounds good. 1214 01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:32,000 All right, that'll wrap it up for us, folks. 1215 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,800 We will be back later on in the week. 1216 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,800 Indiana, with an unrelenting schedule. 1217 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,800 As everybody has in the Big Ten right now, I can hear 1218 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,300 unrelenting tip times again. Now, we got a 9:00 p.m. 1219 01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:45,900 Wednesday. Like let's say they should just 1220 01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:49,500 go all out and be like, hey, we're starting at 87 8:47. 1221 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,700 Give us give us weird tip times the rest of your gonna be weird. 1222 01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:53,700 Be weird. It's do it. 1223 01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:56,200 And it's gonna get really weird. That's going to be a fascinating 1224 01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,200 game. Indiana plays at Northwestern 1225 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,600 that will be Wednesday, February 15th, and so that'll be into 1226 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,100 Thursday February 16th, maybe. Well, right? 1227 01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:10,500 Yeah, so if you're in the Chicago area you may want to get 1228 01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:13,300 out to that game. The get in price for that game 1229 01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:15,400 is $110. These are these are 1230 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,600 profit-taking times in Evanston Illinois. 1231 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,700 As far as the basketball, Teams can see specially when you 1232 01:02:20,700 --> 01:02:24,300 consider that for Alabama, Tennessee, a top-10 at least as 1233 01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:27,100 of today match up the get in price for Thompson-Boling Arena 1234 01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:32,300 is $15. So there you go, the getting dry 1235 01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:35,100 I would say the get in price for the rest of the year for Indiana 1236 01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:37,900 might be over a hundred because the Illinois game is going to be 1237 01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:41,600 over 100 right now, the get it at Michigan State, the be over 1238 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,700 100, I mean at Purdue is going to be over 500 and then the 1239 01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:47,100 getting program games the get in price right now. 1240 01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:52,400 For Indiana, Illinois is $209. Dollars a ticket and the get in 1241 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,800 price is not nearly as high right now for X. 1242 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,000 If you want to go up to East Lansing on next Tuesday, not 1243 01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,800 necessary as the Tuesday after the 21st. 1244 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:05,700 It's seven dollars to get in the arena, so I think yeah, I don't 1245 01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:07,500 know. Sparty fans are kind of down on 1246 01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:09,400 their team this year so we'll see what happens. 1247 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,600 But anyway, I you plays Wednesday will probably be back 1248 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,200 Thursday or Friday to talk about what happened in that game. 1249 01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:17,700 Be sure to come back for the, women's basketball podcast, with 1250 01:03:17,707 --> 01:03:19,500 a man to Foster the women with that. 1251 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,200 Tremendous week this past week. They knock off Iowa in the big 1252 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:28,900 Ten's first top five matchup since the 90s and there's going 1253 01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:33,000 to be more women's basketball coming up here in short order. 1254 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,200 You know, this this women's team is just kind of at a different 1255 01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,900 level right now and they're going to have to stay at that 1256 01:03:37,900 --> 01:03:41,300 level because on the 13th, they traveled to Ohio State to take 1257 01:03:41,300 --> 01:03:43,300 on the Buckeyes. They beat Ohio State pretty 1258 01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:46,200 soundly a couple of weeks ago. Now we got to go on the road for 1259 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,900 that. Just some some really 1260 01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:51,500 fascinating Games coming up here for the women's teams to keep an 1261 01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:53,800 eye on that anyway. That'll wrap it up for us, we'll 1262 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,200 catch you folks on the flip side. 1263 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,500 Thanks to home-field apparel and all the folks at the back home 1264 01:03:57,500 --> 01:04:00,300 network, my thanks to you all for listening, Scott, good to 1265 01:04:00,300 --> 01:04:03,600 talk to you. As always wish you a good Super 1266 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,600 Bowl Sunday and a good start to the week. 1267 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:08,700 Bring back the Bison. So long, everybody.