1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,000 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:22,040 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 3 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,760 Galen Clavio, Scott Caulfield joining me a Happy November 4 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,920 everybody. It is the 5th of November, a 5 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,360 Sunday and Indiana. Has won a Big 10 game. 6 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,680 Scott, we got, we got some fun stuff to talk about today. 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,280 This is what we like. This is what we're excited 8 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,920 about, Scott. It's as we said, the first full 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,080 week of November. Now this is the last weekend 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,880 without college basketball for a long time, which is exciting. 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,320 But obviously, football giving us something to think about, 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,600 that's exciting. We're gonna talk about football 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,680 in this podcast. We'll have some more basketball 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,280 stuff in future podcasts, obviously. 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:59,960 But Scott, good to see you. How are you doing? 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,880 I'm doing great, man, Doing fantastic. 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,960 Awesome. Well, I felt. 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,560 Back. You what topics right now? 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,600 We were all screwed up in terms of when we were gonna start the 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,200 recording today and you were you were late. 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,160 Normally you're up a little earlier than me, but I slept in. 22 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,440 I think A. Proponent Indiana should be on 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,040 central time. I don't care about the daylight 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,360 savings and like that's where it gets. 25 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,520 I was actually when I moved back to Indiana in 09, I got into a 26 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,120 committee like to help try to get Indiana back on central time 27 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,280 And like so much of the discussion was like Oh no, but 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,320 we like we we don't want to get rid of the daylight savings. 29 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:34,080 Like yes, that's a different topic. 30 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,760 It also deals. With time. 31 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,320 But it's different. Like, I don't care about 32 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:39,360 daylight savings. I care we should be on Central 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,720 Time all the time. And it was I I talked to some 34 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,040 legislators. Wow, they're like, oh, we 35 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,600 already decided the daylight savings thing. 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,400 Like, yes, that's that's different, right? 37 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,520 It's a different topic. They're like, we already decided 38 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:50,600 this. I'm like, well, it's stupid. 39 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,520 We should be. And even now with like, now the 40 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,400 Internet working at home, it's like even more idiotic that 41 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,760 we're on Central Time. Anyway sorry we're on Eastern. 42 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,160 We're not on Central but yes not not on correct that we're on 43 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:02,840 Eastern. I'm with you. 44 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,120 I'm. I'm with you on that 100%. 45 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,639 Well look, regardless of what time zone we're in we're in a 46 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,280 time zone where Indiana has beaten Wisconsin in a football 47 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,320 game. So we're going to talk about 48 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:13,480 that. But first of all just a couple 49 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,400 of reminders folks. We are brought to you by home 50 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,400 Field apparel sponsor for the entire back home network US. 51 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,320 Our friends at Assembly called to do the work podcast, the 52 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,520 Crimson cast Women's Basketball show Film Room with Tony Adrania 53 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,960 and Home Field Apparel really loves us. 54 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,240 I think we we can definitively say that they just launched a 55 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,440 new IU Bomber jacket. 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Hopefully you'll join us there 114 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,920 Anyway, Scott, let's get to the big news. 115 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,320 Indiana defeats Wisconsin 20 to 14. 116 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,160 This was a game that for all the world, didn't seem like 117 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,840 something Indiana was going to be able to win. 118 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,760 As we started the season, Wisconsin looked like Wisconsin. 119 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,080 And if you've been following the saga of Indiana football over 120 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,840 the years, you know that playing Wisconsin never turns out well 121 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,000 for IU. Yes, you had the win a few years 122 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,120 ago in the COVID year up in Madison when there were no fans 123 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,280 in the building, and you know that was that was a nice win. 124 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:23,240 That was unfortunately the last win of that season. 125 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,400 But generally speaking, when Indiana has played Wisconsin, 126 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,600 whether it's been Tom Allen coaching or whether it's been 127 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,840 Kevin Wilson coaching or whether it's been Phil Lynch or Cam 128 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:35,160 Cameron coaching, it hasn't gone well. 129 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,360 And yet this one had the possibility of being a bit 130 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,720 different. If you listen to the Crimson 131 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:47,400 Cast pregame show, you know that ultimately this was a somewhat 132 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,560 hobbled Wisconsin team. They were missing their starting 133 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,840 quarterback, they were missing starting running back, starting 134 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:54,680 wide receiver, and they seemed vulnerable. 135 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,640 They haven't been scoring a lot of points. 136 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:59,360 They haven't been doing the kinds of things you would expect 137 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,880 a team of Wisconsin's normal caliber to do. 138 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,440 And you looked at the way that Indiana played against Penn 139 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,520 State, and it was a possibility, if you let your mind wander a 140 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,680 little bit, that Indiana might be able to carry the momentum 141 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,160 and the effort over from that game against Penn State into 142 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,640 Wisconsin. I just had my questions about 143 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,560 Indiana's ability to absolutely. Do you actually go in and do 144 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,160 that? I thought they would compete. 145 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,400 I thought they'd be competitive. I didn't think they were going 146 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,720 to win the game. Scott I was happy to be wrong. 147 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,280 It was a fascinating and kind of weird game as it went down the 148 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,440 stretch because both teams were really having trouble doing what 149 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,520 they wanted to do offensively because of how good the defenses 150 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,360 were playing. But Indiana made a couple of 151 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,400 fewer mistakes than Wisconsin in this game, and that's really 152 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:46,840 what ended up being the difference. 153 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,680 Yeah, I mean as I highlighted in the the post game after Penn 154 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,080 State is there, there's just not a lot of history of under Tom 155 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,000 Allen, Indiana doing well against a high level opponent 156 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,320 and then it kind of translating into something else. 157 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,840 Also, just in the history of IU football, these games really 158 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,920 bugged me like the way they normally turn out. 159 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,880 I'm very happy we won it normally. 160 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,920 Like I remember the the year Penn State was under massive 161 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,240 sanctions and they were just getting crushed by everybody. 162 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,920 And I think that was the year we had Xander Diamont at 163 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,160 quarterback and we lost like 13 to 10 and it was like just punt 164 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,080 after punt and it's like. We have these situations where 165 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,960 teams are historically down and everyone takes advantage and 166 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,360 gets their lumps in except for us, nothing. 167 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,000 Wisconsin's historically down, but you know they're like you 168 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,680 mentioned, they're down a quarterback, they're down a lot 169 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,960 of players. They're having a rough season 170 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,960 and and normally it's like those are the games that we just don't 171 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,799 capitalize on. And it's like man, like we could 172 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:41,039 have gotten you know Ohio State in one of those years, like the 173 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,400 the the end of the trestle era, the early Urban Meyer years. 174 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,760 Like no, we didn't but we got this one and that's to me that 175 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,800 that's what is is really nice and. 176 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,160 You know there there's some some things in this game like you 177 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,440 mentioned down the stretch it definitely felt like hot potato 178 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,840 on who wanted to try and give away the win as much as 179 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,200 possible. But Indiana got the win. 180 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,200 There's there are some things to talk about from a concerning 181 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,240 angle. But hey, they won a game and I 182 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:10,320 think to me the really the, the key thing that I take away from 183 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,840 this game is something that I had meant we had talked about 184 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,080 earlier in the season. I'm sorry. 185 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:21,840 Coughing a little bit is that? You know the the the season is 186 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,360 still available to have something good happen here at 187 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,880 the end. You just got to keep the team 188 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,480 mentally and physically like into it and give Tom Allen total 189 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,120 credit. They have like they were they 190 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,120 play played hard against Penn State and they kept it going 191 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,320 against Wisconsin like very easily could have shut down 192 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,760 either of those two games and just packed it in after the 193 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,720 Rutgers lost and they didn't. So it's a it's a tribute to the 194 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,920 the coaching staff, the team that everyone is still locked in 195 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,880 and you still, you know, we're in playoff mode, but you you are 196 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,360 still in the berth. A ball, there was a question in 197 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,320 your pre game that I want to hit on near the end about, you know 198 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,400 the ball contention for this team. 199 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,000 But no I mean to me that's my major take away is the team 200 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,640 looked engaged. They looked into it and that's 201 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,200 something you haven't seen in the past, you haven't seen you 202 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,920 know a lot of other teams just kind of pack it in. 203 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,640 So I I give total credit that that they did that they they 204 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,360 kept there and then they won the game. 205 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,400 Yeah. I mean, I think ultimately you 206 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,880 can pick apart the performance and we'll talk a little bit 207 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,640 about that here in a minute. But at the end of it all, as 208 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,720 we've said so many times, it's the outcome that really matters. 209 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,960 And when you're Indiana, you know that you're not likely 210 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,200 going to play a start to finish good game and and win, at least 211 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,000 not against an opponent of of Big 10 caliber. 212 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,800 And so you have to kind of reset expectations. 213 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,840 There have been times when Indiana would have been expected 214 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,360 perhaps to be more dominant in certain games because we've seen 215 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,960 them play that way, haven't seen this team play that way. 216 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,880 And as much as we've talked over the course of, not just this 217 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,000 year but last year about the disappointment that we've seen 218 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,120 in these IU performances and their inability to adjust in the 219 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,840 second-half and things like that, it was really awesome to 220 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,200 see Indiana put it together. And while they certainly had 221 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,720 troubles in some aspects of their game, other aspects of the 222 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,160 team's game really picked it up. I mean, you can't tell the story 223 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,720 of this game without talking about Aaron Casey, who was just 224 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,200 all over the the place in this game. 9 total tackles, seven of 225 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,680 them solo, 2 sacks, 4 tackles for loss. 226 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,440 I mean, I was listening to some of the game on the radio and the 227 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,680 number of times Aaron Casey's name would come up in terms of 228 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:36,440 being there for a defensive play it. 229 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,760 Was it? Was it was just a constant. 230 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,000 And look I think ultimately we're we're very critical of the 231 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,960 coaching Staffs because ultimately they're the ones in 232 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,160 charge and they're in charge of getting players ready to go. 233 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,160 They're in charge of having game plans that will work because 234 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,640 it's the college level and you don't give football players the 235 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,320 same degree of autonomy except in pure athleticism. 236 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,240 But IU still does need guys making plays and that's what 237 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,560 they had a lot of yesterday. They had guys making plays and 238 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,920 Aaron Casey really stuck out on the defensive end of things. 239 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,920 You know, Offensively, Brendan Soresby had a really effective 240 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,760 first half. He had a significantly less 241 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,600 effective second-half, but he didn't really make any mistakes 242 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,240 that truly cost Indiana and that were his fault completely. 243 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,960 You know, he didn't turn the ball over, had a couple of 244 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,120 fumbles, but fortunately didn't lose any of them. 245 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,720 Was dealing with with an offensive line that frankly 246 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,760 started to crumble as Wisconsin adjusted their pressure systems 247 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,280 and really started to get after him. 248 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,600 But Soresby showed a poise and an ability to put it together 249 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,040 right when it mattered the most. That really helped Indiana win 250 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,920 the game and you can kind of go down the list. 251 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,240 I mean, Donovan Mccully made great plays throughout the 252 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,440 course of the game. You know, Josh Henderson had a 253 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,920 couple of timely runs. EJ Williams and Dequese Carter 254 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,960 came in and played pretty well at wide receiver in the absence 255 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,360 of Camp Camper and on the defensive end, You know, we've 256 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,880 already mentioned Casey, Jordan Shaw had a good game. 257 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,760 Nick Toomer, I thought had a pretty good game. 258 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,480 It's it's it was a nice team effort and I think especially 259 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,240 when you think about the way that Indiana normally loses 260 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,240 these games, it's because they play well to start. 261 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,720 They can't maintain and then you get into the second-half and the 262 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,160 other team's guys make more plays than Indiana's do, and 263 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,680 that didn't happen in this one. And that's probably the thing 264 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:31,560 that I'm most excited about. Yeah. 265 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:34,800 And it, it kind of goes back to the first week when, you know, 266 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,280 we were all kind of fired up about the defense against Ohio 267 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,560 State. You know, we play the drive 268 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:41,440 chart game a lot and at some point maybe we'll talk about 269 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,720 Indiana's drive chart in the second-half, which isn't pretty. 270 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,680 But you know, you look at Wisconsin in the second-half, so 271 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:48,800 they score a touchdown. But then for the rest of that 272 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,400 game? It's a punt, you know, 12 play, 273 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,360 12 play, drive for a punt, 2 plays, fumble, 3 plays, punt, 6 274 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,680 plays over on down, 7 plays fumble, that's that's fantastic 275 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:00,880 by the defense. It would have been nice if they 276 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,560 didn't need to get it every single time. 277 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:05,400 But they did and that's the key and as you said like it's a 278 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,720 results based business and they got a win and you you keep kind 279 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,680 of hope alive. It was a beautiful day, great 280 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:14,600 day to be in a game. So no, I I take away a lot of 281 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,760 those things, you know, the, the. 282 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:19,160 I I want to continue to be positive before we start getting 283 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,320 negative because it's a win and that's that's a good thing. 284 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,200 I'm with you on Soresby. Soresby. 285 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:28,120 You know it looks like we have our quarterback which just being 286 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,360 honest like this is the tough thing with where football is. 287 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,400 Is the even the good things have a twinge of like I'm not sure 288 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,120 like as that game was going on I'm like why? 289 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,640 Why was there a quarterback battle to start the year and 290 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,280 like, why did it take us this long to get to get to this 291 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,480 point? And but also maybe the answer 292 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,800 was. Just one of these guys needed 293 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,160 you know some reps and just to know that they're the starter 294 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,640 and a little bit of continuity and maybe he'd be even farther 295 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,080 ahead. But either way he had a good, he 296 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,040 had a good year. Our offensive playbook at times 297 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,400 looks functional and it looks like we're playing to win. 298 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,680 It just doesn't happen for the entire game. 299 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,560 But you know those are all again, and I go back, you know, 300 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,440 Casey was fantastic. But again I go back to the the 301 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,880 team looked engaged. You know they they were not 302 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,200 checked out. You know, so, so. 303 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,400 Some of the things that we've seen in the past and partially 304 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,600 why we were so pessimistic is we were just taking what we had 305 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,920 seen in the past and putting it toward the future. 306 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,560 You know, we haven't seen honestly in the last two weeks, 307 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,040 you know out, you know we were unhappy with how the Penn State 308 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,960 game ended. I know I was feeling like they 309 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,680 could have taken a shot, but they played a really good Penn 310 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,520 State team at Penn State, really good, and this is back-to-back 311 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,400 weeks of really high level performance out of this team. 312 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,280 Yeah, you know the I I was thinking about the the way that 313 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,520 IU is approaching the drives in this game. 314 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:53,320 And what I find interesting overall about this is Indiana 315 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,880 had some drives offensively where they looked fine, they 316 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,520 were able to move the ball the first drives. 317 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,080 I mean, it's I'm almost disappointed if Indiana doesn't 318 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,320 score a touchdown now on their first drives and their ability 319 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,600 to script these drives out. And be completely drilled on 320 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,240 what they need to do it. It says a lot about how the team 321 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,880 conducts itself overall. I think that they look so good 322 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,360 there, but the concern is always well, hey, they're going to go 323 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,040 out and score on this first scripted Dr. and then they won't 324 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,880 be able to score again. But I think it was interesting 325 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,120 about this game was that they go a nine play, 66 yard drive for a 326 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,440 touchdown On that first drive. They go 12 plays 33 yards. 327 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,120 On the next drive, they miss a field goal. 328 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,520 They have a six play drive after that. 329 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,920 They have a nine play drive after that that results in a 330 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,520 field goal. They have their 1/3 and out of 331 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,600 the first half in the penultimate Dr. and then they go 332 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,560 9 plays 71 yards for a touchdown at the end of the first half. 333 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,400 And now if they don't have any of those scoring drives, they 334 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:56,560 may not win the game. But I'm impressed that against 335 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,320 the Wisconsin team that certainly was struggling 336 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,680 offensively but still pretty much has its mojo defensively 337 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,920 that they were able to do all of that in the first half. 338 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,880 Now it didn't sustain in the second-half and I and I think, 339 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,040 you know it's. You look at that second-half, 340 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,040 they had a 10 play drive that didn't result in any points at 341 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,119 the beginning of the second. Then they went three plays, 342 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,599 eight yards, 3 plays, -11 yards, 3 plays, zero yards. 343 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,280 And you're like, gosh, here it is again. 344 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Like they're they're going to, they're going to just not finish 345 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,119 the job. And then you get to that last 346 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,800 drive after Wisconsin turns it over on downs and Indiana 347 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,560 manages to put an 8 play, 36 yard drive together. 348 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,280 They attempt a ludicrous field goal that somehow goes in. 349 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,320 But the fact that they were able to drive out of their own 350 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,600 territory, get it to a point where they could kick a field 351 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,840 goal and then actually convert at the end of the game after 352 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,480 their offense looked like the Battery had died, that's really 353 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,920 encouraging Scott. I mean we, you know we saw this 354 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,160 it happened a little bit last year that was the Western 355 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,560 Kentucky game last year kind of worked out this way. 356 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,080 But their ability to jump start the offense right when it needed 357 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:09,520 to be jump started and get just enough yards where they could 358 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,760 get themselves into field goal territory, that that's really 359 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,920 exciting to me. And I think a lot of that really 360 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,800 does go down to the poise of Brendan Soresby starts that 361 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,040 drive off with a designed run. It was a nice play by Rod Carey 362 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,800 to call. They used Donovan Mccully on 363 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,040 that drive. They you know they they managed 364 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,680 to to pick up some yardage in different ways. 365 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,240 It wasn't like they were having to rely on solely one thing, and 366 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,640 I think that's been offensively to me, probably the biggest 367 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,920 difference is like they don't look, they don't look 368 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,640 unidimensional on offense anymore. 369 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,920 They look like they've got a few things in the tool kit that they 370 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,600 can pull out and utilize. And the fact that they were able 371 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,960 to do that at a critical moment and essentially put the game out 372 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,680 of reach for that Wisconsin team who was having trouble moving 373 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,120 the ball, it was a really, really good sign. 374 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,440 That's a great point. No it's a it's a very because 375 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,480 you're right the offense up to that point was just was just 376 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,600 dead in the second-half and they just they were not doing it. 377 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,200 The defense is holding up and and I agree, I mean, you know, 378 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,080 I. I want to continue to stay 379 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,080 positive because we we've been negative this year based on what 380 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,280 we're seeing. But you know, it it does make me 381 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,080 concerned how replicable all of this is because when you look at 382 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,160 Wisconsin, you know, Locke was just didn't look like functional 383 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,080 as a quarterback. There was a lot of throws where 384 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,560 guys were open and he just wasn't able to hit them. 385 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,120 And then you mention that field goal like while we're taking 386 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,680 that field goal, it's like this is this is absurd. 387 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,800 This is not this is not a field goal that we we've made in the 388 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,000 past and if you you miss it you're basically giving 389 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,000 Wisconsin like a first down to a field goal to getting you in 390 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,680 overtime. Like it's this feels similar to 391 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,800 me like the Michigan State game of last year take away kind of 392 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,040 the offensive schematic changes where you know the the thing 393 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,200 that. I think was the issue with that 394 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,200 Michigan State win last year was I I worry that a lot of the, you 395 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,240 know, the, the coaching staff felt like all of that was 396 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,360 replicable. And it's like, all right, well 397 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:14,240 that's, that's our new plan. That's how we're going to do 398 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,040 things. It's like, no, it's not. 399 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,680 I look at this game and I do just want to make sure that like 400 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,960 that you like realize like that that field goal was like it 401 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,400 worked out. That was the wrong call. 402 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,360 Like this is not the way we should do things moving forward. 403 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:30,600 And and again it goes to kind of the not just the field position 404 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,480 where it was. It goes to the same issue in the 405 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,760 Penn State game. It's like hey this is the first 406 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,280 drive. The offense is moving. 407 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,200 You know, you know we either put the, you know this, this is the 408 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,600 time to be conservative and like kick the, kick the punt, you 409 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,880 know give give them all that spot. 410 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,240 Like why are you going nuts now when you could have done it last 411 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,760 week. So I just I I want to make sure 412 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,480 we take away the right messages from from these, from these 413 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,640 games. No, it's an interesting one. 414 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,720 I mean that was Chris Freeman's longest field goal of his career 415 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,400 that that 50 yarder. And I yeah, I remember I was 416 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,280 listening to that part of the game on the radio at 1st and 417 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,520 went back and watched it later. But the. 418 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,080 Rhett Lewis, the color commentator, was like, real 419 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,400 surprised that they were bringing the field goal unit on. 420 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,560 He was like, you know maybe gonna try to draw him offside 421 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,520 and then you know, like they're gonna snap it and they snapped 422 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,160 it and I've ever. I'm listening to it and. 423 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,720 Hearing that it went in was just a thrill and a a pleasant shock. 424 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:26,720 And it was it was about as nice of a field goal attempt as you'd 425 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,200 seen from a guy that had missed a relatively easily makeable 426 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,760 field goal earlier on in the game. 427 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,440 So I'm with you. It seemed like it was an 428 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,200 interesting strategic decision that I would not have 429 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,320 recommended, but it worked. And you know, to some degree I 430 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,800 think for games like this. You almost, you know, as much as 431 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,960 we were critical last week of them not going for the win, it 432 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,520 wasn't that bad of a call if you think it about it fully in 433 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,360 context because you kick a field goal or or try a field goal 434 00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:01,160 there and OK, if you miss it, you're going to give the ball up 435 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:06,560 at what the 40 yard line. But Wisconsin A had an injured 436 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,240 kicker and B. Was not showing any real signs 437 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,320 of being able to move the ball. So I think it was a little more 438 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,760 reasonable than it looked if you just laid it out on paper 439 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,440 without any of the additional context. 440 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,160 Well, it was it was the knockout blow. 441 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,360 I mean because to your point like Wisconsin just functionally 442 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:22,040 probably wasn't going to go for a touchdown. 443 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,640 So if you get that field goal there, you know it's it's the 444 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,840 aggressiveness that we wanted the week before. 445 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,960 And I I always kind of err on the side of aggressiveness. 446 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,320 So I like it. It's just like that was one 447 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,320 where like that's that's wow. But you know it worked out and 448 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,480 I'd rather that our default is to be a little more aggressive 449 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,360 and go for knockout out blows and we have them. 450 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,440 So in that respect, I like. It yeah. 451 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,080 A couple of other notable items in this game from a statistical 452 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,080 perspective. First of all, Indiana, I think 453 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:54,080 for the first time this season managed to have a plus 2IN 454 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,760 turnover margin. Wisconsin turned the ball over 455 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,840 twice, not not counting turning it over on downs. 456 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,720 Obviously, Indiana didn't turn the ball over at all, and that 457 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,960 was the first time in Big 10 play. 458 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,000 Since the Ohio State game, strangely enough, that Indiana 459 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,800 had a positive turnover margin and it was the only time this 460 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,440 season that Indiana has had a +2 or better in turnover margin 461 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,800 this year be we own Ohio State and Scotland. 462 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:21,760 Yes, but I mean, but you think about it like you know, they 463 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,800 they they they were -1 in turnovers in the Rutgers game. 464 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,560 They were -1 in turnovers in the Penn State game. 465 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:28,840 They were. I mean, I don't know if it would 466 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,360 have mattered with the Maryland game, but. 467 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,760 This is a team when we go back and look at the success that 468 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,440 they had in 2020, so much of it was predicated on not turning 469 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,000 the ball over and then turning your opponent over. 470 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:41,840 And that's what happened in this game. 471 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,240 Now, they certainly had some help because I don't know, does 472 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,960 Luke Fickle want to get fired? Like is that his approach? 473 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,040 I mean, this is a this is a couple weeks in a row now where 474 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,000 he put a guy who clearly can't throw the ball particularly well 475 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,760 in positions where he had to throw the ball a bunch. 476 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,240 And yeah, lot, Braden lock. And even though lock, you know, 477 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,040 ended up, it was 21 for 43, which is not good. 243 yards, 2 478 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,240 touchdowns. You know, I'm still shocked that 479 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,960 they didn't try to rush more often against Indiana. 480 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,920 Indiana did make it hard on them, but as we saw towards the 481 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,520 tail end of the game, it looked like Wisconsin was going to 482 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,760 eventually wear Indiana down with their running attack, and 483 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,800 they just didn't. You know, so between that and 484 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,640 then not being able to hang on to the ball and the other big 485 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,440 one and another, we know as much as we complain about IU when 486 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,440 they're not disciplined. Indiana only committed 2 487 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,160 penalties for 30 yards in this game. 488 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,760 Wisconsin committed 8 penalties for 78 yards in this game. 489 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,840 Indiana was the more disciplined team. 490 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,040 They're the team that made the fewer mistakes. 491 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,840 And you look at it, it's like I don't, I don't even think that 492 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,320 if you're, I mean you could look as a Wisconsin fan at the total 493 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,360 yard you can say well we out gained you 344 to 261 that's 494 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,240 like that's true. But you also committed more 495 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,280 penalties, you committed more turnovers and you weren't 496 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,040 particularly better on 3rd down or 4th down. 497 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,560 I mean, they were a combined. Wisconsin was a combined 7 for 498 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:13,080 19 on 3rd and 4th downs. Indiana was a combined 7 of 17. 499 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,760 Which is slightly better. So even statistically, you look 500 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,880 at this game and you say this wasn't like a fluke win. 501 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,360 Indiana was in the same ballpark as Wisconsin statistically. 502 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:26,120 And that really feels nice to say, Scott. 503 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:30,600 I mean, this has been such a boogeyman for Indiana football, 504 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,520 this Wisconsin team, and now you've, you've beaten them too 505 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,240 straight. And you know, and I think it's 506 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,440 important to put it in in the larger context of how the series 507 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,880 is gone. I mean, you had to go back. 508 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:47,280 To 2002, as as Big 10 Network had to remind us when Jerry 509 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,120 Dinardo was coaching to find the last time that Indiana had 510 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,840 beaten Wisconsin in Memorial Stadium. 511 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:58,640 And you know, if you go back to 1993, this was the only the 4th 512 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,440 win in the last 30 years that Indiana's had anywhere against 513 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,600 Wisconsin. And they've been on the beating 514 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,880 end of a lot of really bad beat downs. 515 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,760 They've lost. In this series, 62 to 1359 to 516 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:22,200 nothing, 43 to 2241 to 2452 to 1733 to 355, to 2083 to 2059 to 517 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,800 762 to 1451 to 3 and 45 to 17. I mean, those are just some of 518 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,680 the scores that Indiana has lost to Wisconsin by over the last 30 519 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,200 years. So to watch Indiana cost Lynch's 520 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,760 job like that was a Lynch. Yeah, Lynch lost the job there. 521 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,360 So, so to watch Indiana go and, like, slowly bleed Wisconsin 522 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:42,000 out. Throughout the course of a game 523 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,360 and win the way that they did was particularly satisfying. 524 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,760 I mean, I would have loved like a 30 point victory, but 525 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,840 certainly this was a nice way of watching Indiana do what they 526 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,520 what they did and the fact that they were able to really seal 527 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,680 the game with their defense and make those plays. 528 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,040 Yes, Wisconsin was diminished on offense. 529 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,200 We've seen Indiana lose to teams that were diminished on offense 530 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,720 before and they didn't do it this time. 531 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,440 And what's kind of a cool bookend is, you know when we 532 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,720 went in to beat Wisconsin, we were diminished on offense. 533 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,960 You know that was the game where we didn't have Pennex going in, 534 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,240 you know, and and that was a game you know. 535 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,640 So anyway, Tuttle playing, we weren't sure what we're going to 536 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,240 get at that. I think that was like 20 to 13 537 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,640 or something like that. It was somewhere in there like a 538 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,080 seven point range or something. It was 6:50 or but that. 539 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,880 Anyway, that was a similar game where we kind of bled out 540 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,600 Wisconsin. But in that case we were the 541 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,560 ones with the division. But yeah, like, like you said, 542 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,200 like we both said, you know there's been many times where 543 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,400 teams have come in, you know, especially at the the kind of 544 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,840 the upper echelon of the Big 10 where they've had an issue that 545 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,760 season and we haven't been able to capitalize and and so we did. 546 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,320 It's great we get a win against Wisconsin. 547 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,800 This is these wins really matter and this is the kind of thing 548 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,480 that's important and This is why getting, you know, closing these 549 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,760 things out is important. The one statistical thing that I 550 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,680 will take that I've kind of been noticing this year and just it 551 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,800 it continues, it would be nice to solve this this year, 552 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,560 especially as a team that was going to be a running team this 553 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,480 year. Still another game without a 554 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,840 rushing touchdown by a running back. 555 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,840 So we've not had a Big 10 game this year where we've had a 556 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,480 rushing touchdown by a running back. 557 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,080 Again, Brendan Soresby gets the the touchdown, which is great, 558 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,960 another rushing one, but it'd be nice to see us get one running 559 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,960 back in the end zone in the Big 10 this year. 560 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,760 We still got three more shots at it. 561 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,640 Yeah, it's. Clearly that's not the case 562 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,560 anymore and I think look Rod Carey as skeptical as we were 563 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,280 about his full time hire and and still are so much better 564 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,960 already. The offense does look 565 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,640 significantly better and you know it. 566 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,320 It does really feel like either Kerry simplified some things and 567 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,920 made it easier on people, or he's just got a a clearer sense 568 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,280 of what this team can do. And what needs to be called in 569 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,040 certain situations. It's clearly not perfect. 570 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,280 It can clearly be blown up, but I think a lot of that is 571 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,360 offensive line related items as much as it is play calling 572 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,800 items. And I think Kerry deserves a ton 573 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,840 of credit for at least making this offense that for all the 574 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,360 world, looked completely lost over the course of a few weeks 575 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,720 to suddenly get functional again and so. 576 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,480 You know, I I still don't know that that's the best long term 577 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,320 solution, but it's certainly working in the short term and 578 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,240 that's really all that matters right now. 579 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,960 So right. So yeah, I know Indiana wins and 580 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,040 you know, two game-winning streak against Wisconsin. 581 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,720 You know last time that Indiana had a two game-winning streak 582 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,400 yet to go all the way back to the late 80s, early 90s when 583 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,640 they won. I'm sorry. 584 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,160 Well they they did it twice, late early 80s, early 90s. 585 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,880 They had a 5 game-winning streak from 1986 to 1992, and they had 586 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,560 that weird two game stretch. In 2001 and 2002, where they won 587 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,480 in Antoine's last year and they won in Jerry Dinardo's first 588 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,480 year. But you know, just nice to see 589 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,960 Indiana finally get their 20th win in the series against 590 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,960 Wisconsin. That was what we saw there last 591 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,880 night. Or yesterday schedule next year, 592 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,360 like now that we own them like we. 593 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,360 Get more Wisconsin. Come on, bring bring Wisconsin 594 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,480 on. That's what we need at this 595 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,120 point. Yeah, it's hilarious. 596 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,960 But, but now, so this brings up the larger point that I think 597 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,600 everybody's asking is like. Is Indiana going to be able to 598 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,960 figure out a way to get to a bowl? 599 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,280 And as fanciful as that sounds, as much as we kind of, you know, 600 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,800 poked fun at the idea, so much of it predicated on winning this 601 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,800 game against Wisconsin. And they did. 602 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,040 And now you look at this stretch that's coming up, you play an 603 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,680 incredibly mercurial Illinois. Team. 604 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,880 That yeah, came back and won at the last second against 605 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,200 Minnesota, but for all rights should have lost that game. 606 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,920 A Michigan State team that shown signs of life, but I was also 607 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,240 shown signs of not life. And then you've got a Purdue 608 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,880 team that just looks dead in the water. 609 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,720 That's your run out you you need to win three in order to get to 610 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,400 6 and six. And you know, certainly you're 611 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,240 looking at like the Quick Lane Bowl as a result of that. 612 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,800 That's fine, but it's interesting because when I think 613 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,200 about this IU team. They do seem to be believing a 614 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,440 little bit in themselves and they've got to leave home twice. 615 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,880 But those games are Illinois and Purdue. 616 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,520 You got Michigan State, A-Team. You already know that you know 617 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,560 how to beat. I'm not going to wager on 618 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,680 Indiana doing this, Scott, but it's not unprecedented. 619 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,760 And as we've talked about, I mean, if you go back to that 620 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,600 2015 season for Indiana, people forget that yes, Indiana went to 621 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,520 a bowl. They started that season four 622 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,680 and O. Then they lost six games in a 623 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,240 row. Before coming back and winning 624 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,520 their final two, to get to 6 and six, this would be a little bit 625 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,080 different. They'd have to win their final 626 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,440 four, but it's not unprecedented. 627 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,680 It would just be really surprising given what this team 628 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,320 looked like just a couple of weeks ago. 629 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,760 So I go to the I'm happy you brought this up. 630 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,520 There's a question that you had in your your pre game podcast. 631 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,840 I forget, Patrick, I believe the question was basically like, you 632 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,280 know, they win the next four and win a bowl. 633 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,680 Like how do you feel? Basically, how do you feel? 634 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,520 Like it was kind of contract base, but how do you feel about 635 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,720 things? And I thought about that a lot. 636 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,680 And it was like predicated on, like you said, winning this one, 637 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,800 which we did, which is great. You know, this. 638 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,160 I think it would, it would be awesome for us to win four in a 639 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,880 row. I go back and if we do it, I 640 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,600 still stand by everything that we've said throughout this year 641 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,720 that, you know, based on the analytics and based on what we 642 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,520 were seeing, it seemed very unlikely. 643 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,440 You know, and even going to this Wisconsin game, I don't know a 644 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,000 lot of people who are like, Oh yeah, we're going to take him 645 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,040 down. It's like it's just like it 646 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,720 didn't statistically, it didn't seem like it was there. 647 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,440 It seems like we might between Penn State and Wisconsin we 648 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,640 might be turning the corner and and you know some of the belief 649 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,240 and some of what makes Allen great as a coach is kind of when 650 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,840 things are rolling in the right direction and he gets that 651 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,040 belief and people can be better than the sum of their parts. 652 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,000 That's where some really good things can happen. 653 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,400 And when he has some coordinators who seem to know 654 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,760 what they're doing, like, you know, the pieces may have 655 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,280 started to be put in the right place. 656 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,640 You know, my my thing is, and I'm, you know, still very happy 657 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,680 to beat Wisconsin. I'm happy with the win is I 658 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,040 would say that, you know, we're still in that category. 659 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,560 Like you got to go out and get it done. 660 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,880 And I I think, you know, asking for a bowl out of this team is a 661 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,960 very tall order. That said, you know, if if they 662 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,560 go and they just win one more game this year, it's like, all 663 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,320 right, you kind of matched last year. 664 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,880 And then it's like, what what quite are we doing? 665 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,360 And this was always my issue with the Archie era is you know 666 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,280 when you disappoint below expectations you can't then just 667 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,360 come at exactly get AC grade and get expectations and expect like 668 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,240 all right, well we're good. Like hey we beat Wisconsin. 669 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,560 We won you know two Big 10 games like, all right, that's that's 670 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,040 not good enough. Like you were below. 671 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,040 Now you do average like one of these years you got to go above 672 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,240 and that, that's what I look at This year's like. 673 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,040 This is a great opportunity that if they do win out and they go 674 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,480 to a bowl, it's like that. That's great. 675 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,720 You've now built back some of that trust. 676 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,360 But I mean, I think this is where, you know, this is the 677 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,240 reality of what the last 2 1/2 years has done is a lot of 678 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,199 people just checked out and a lot of people were pissed, a lot 679 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,040 of people were not there. And so to just be like, hey, we 680 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,239 won a game, like, why isn't everybody back? 681 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,040 It's like it's going to take time. 682 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,719 Like you have to do something that's a little bit unexpected. 683 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,760 Winning four of your last Big 10 games, two on the road, one 684 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,080 against Wisconsin. You go out and do that and like 685 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,920 you said, you go to whatever the Quick Lane Bowl. 686 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,480 That's something like that's not nothing. 687 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,239 Now you go do it. Now if you do, if they don't. 688 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,600 And then by the way, you'd also win 2 rivalry games, you'd win 689 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,880 the bucket. And they're like, there's a lot 690 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,639 that is there and available. It looks like this team is in 691 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,920 the mental headspace for maybe they're going to go get it. 692 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,320 And I think that would be good. But it's, you know, when, when 693 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,239 you have 2 1/2 years of just under expectations and people 694 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,639 kind of check it out, people looking at contracts and 695 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,040 thinking of, you know, God, this is awful. 696 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,960 It's like, it is really tough to get out of that mentality. 697 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,480 And there is a world where, you know, this is probably a more 698 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,120 offseason topic, but it's like there's a world where you know, 699 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,680 it's once people check out once, you'll make up their mind. 700 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,160 It's hard to switch them back. You have to do more than than 701 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,520 you expect, but that's, I don't know a lot there. 702 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,880 But I do think that if they they win this out and go to a bowl, I 703 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,760 think there's really something there. 704 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,960 If they win one more and miss the mark, I don't think that's 705 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,320 awful, but I also don't think that's cause for a massive 706 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,040 celebration either. Yeah, it's it's an interesting 707 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,840 thing because I agree with all of that and I think it's 708 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:34,120 important to note that IU. This is how easy it is to be the 709 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,880 head coach at Indiana University. 710 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,160 Indiana won a six point game against a relatively crippled 711 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,720 opponent. And we're jumping up and down 712 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,640 for joy and we're talking about how excited we are and and and 713 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,760 the Twitterverse was was ecstatic. 714 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,440 In all the positive ways, like Dabo Sweeney who's won two 715 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,920 titles and is like four and four before going to the and people's 716 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,080 like he's getting calls for his head and it's like it's so 717 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,880 different anyway. It's it's it's so easy just to 718 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,400 give Indiana fans just just a little bit of optimism. 719 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,520 Just a little bit of reason to feel like they they they enjoy 720 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,200 rooting for their team and everybody's happy. 721 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,800 And that's what we've always said and this is, it's 722 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,800 fascinating like you know the the, the win against Wisconsin 723 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,960 is great. It's such a small step, but it's 724 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,400 a it is a gesture of goodwill. It's a demonstration that yes, 725 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,480 you're rooting for something that can occasionally be 726 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,320 successful and everybody's just like, yeah, this is great. 727 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,600 So even with this bowl thing, is Indiana going to win their last 728 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,200 three? It seems unlikely. 729 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,160 However I think that Indiana like you know the the question 730 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,720 from the the the earlier podcast that you're asking about was was 731 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,680 the the the subtext was eventually well, I mean is it a 732 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,480 bad thing if Indiana wins their last three because that would 733 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,480 trigger the automatic contract extension for Tom Allen and and 734 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,000 my response is look if Tom Allen can really do the following a 735 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,560 win the last four games of the season including a game against 736 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,200 Wisconsin. A trophy game against Michigan 737 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,960 State and a trophy game on the road against Purdue. 738 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,880 I have no problem with the contract extending another year 739 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,520 if if he suddenly demonstrates that he can do that. 740 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,320 I think the problem for us and what we've what we kind of 741 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,560 banged on over and over is that the way the program has 742 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,840 conducted itself over the course of the last several years, 743 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,480 basically the last 2 1/2 years up till yesterday. 744 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,160 Was a team that either showed up DOA or was good for 1/2 and then 745 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,440 couldn't sustain, which is a pretty important part of winning 746 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,880 a football game, as you know, being able to sustain for a full 747 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,960 60 minutes, if Indiana suddenly is like, hey, we're going to go 748 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,640 out and we're going to win games against teams that are more or 749 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,200 less at our level, that's all anybody has asked for from 750 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,400 Indiana football. Nobody's demanding that Indiana 751 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,880 football go out and win. 10 games a year, or even 8 games a 752 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,640 year. IU fans want a bowl appearance, 753 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,360 IU fans want to beat Purdue, IU fans want to beat Michigan 754 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,080 State, and IU fans don't want to look like a complete 755 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,560 laughingstock in the conference. If you can do that, extend them 756 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,760 to Infinity as far as I'm concerned, because that's what 757 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,120 you need. Out of this program, I agree 100 758 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,400 percent, 100% like I was. I thought it was a great 759 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,360 question. I was thinking about it. 760 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,760 It's like, yeah, if if you know an average season is 6 and six 761 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,400 and a bowl, it's like whoever does that year over year over 762 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,640 year, extend them every single year because you'll have some 763 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,680 years or maybe you get to 5, five and four wins, but you'll 764 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,440 have some worries. You get to 7 and eight like the 765 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,080 the, the if the mean is 6 and six and a bowl, then yes, at IU 766 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,720 I would take that every year. When you start the year it's 767 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,960 like, hey, we're going to, we're going to go to a bowl. 768 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,800 Done. Like I will take that because I 769 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,960 know that's a good, just like, you know for some teams going to 770 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,400 the NCLA tournament, it's like a yes. 771 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,000 So I don't care who the coaches if he can do that then extend 772 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,640 him every single time he does that. 773 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:51,240 But to your point I just there's nothing that shows that that was 774 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,520 going to happen up until this and it's still it's I'm still 775 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,160 not wouldn't put money on it that it's going to happen but it 776 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,360 definitely seems more plausible than did two weeks ago. 777 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,480 Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, ultimately you're 778 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,040 still talking about a program that has won, what, now three of 779 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,600 its last 22 games in the conference. 780 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,920 I mean, it's that's so you'd be doubling, right? 781 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,160 You know, which again great if you can pull the program out of 782 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,400 the tailspin, but you know we're not, we're not sitting here 783 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,760 saying yes, extend Tom Allen, but it would be an automatic 784 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,960 thing if they managed to go 6:00 and 6:00 at the end of the 785 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,600 season based upon the contract. And and my point is, the whole 786 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,800 reason that that incentive is in the contract is to reward you 787 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,760 for doing what is essentially what should be the baseline for 788 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,200 IU football and. I'm not going to get overly 789 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,040 excited about the prospects based upon this, but I think 790 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,560 you'd be foolish and overly pessimistic to not highlight the 791 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,920 fact that the next three games that Indiana plays are against 792 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,680 teams that have not looked very good this season and. 793 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,240 Certainly beatable teams. I mean, one of the things that 794 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:59,080 stuck out to me as I was prepping for this Wisconsin game 795 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,080 and why I almost picked Indiana to do the upset, I ended up just 796 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,440 picking them to cover. I was pretty close on that. 797 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,920 I think my final score prediction was 2317 Wisconsin, 798 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,400 but it was was it. Wisconsin had trouble scoring. 799 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,640 You know, their average scoring I think was around 21 points a 800 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,880 game. They're about to play an 801 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,640 Illinois team who is averaging 21 points per game this season. 802 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,320 And and it's an Illinois team that has struggled to get out of 803 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,560 its own way at times. It's an Illinois team that lost 804 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,360 to this Wisconsin team last week at home 25 to 21. 805 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,200 You play a Michigan State team that's only averaging 18 points 806 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,800 a game, giving up 26. A Michigan State team that lost 807 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,760 six games in a row before springing the upset at home 808 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,640 against Nebraska. You're playing a Purdue team 809 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,280 that's averaging 20.9 points a game on a current four-game 810 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,440 losing streak, 2 and seven overall, and a team that's 811 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,000 giving up 31 points a game. I mean, you know, for all the 812 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:01,800 people who argued that I use, results were as a as a matter of 813 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,720 their schedule. I mean, first of all, you lost 814 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,880 at home to Rutgers and he got blown out by a Maryland team 815 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,280 that you know, appear it was to just have completely given up on 816 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,400 the season the way that they looked yesterday against Penn 817 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,160 State. I have a hard time buying that 818 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,040 argument. I you almost lost to Akron as 819 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,000 well. But that was before if Indiana 820 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,600 has figured out how to manage things moving forward. 821 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,960 You couldn't have asked for a softer runway to close out the 822 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,400 season than what Indiana's got in front of them. 823 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,320 It's this is. It's one of the most fascinating 824 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,720 tests of the Tom Allen era that's coming up here. 825 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,520 Can Indiana actually figure out how to put it together in 826 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,680 consecutive games? Again, I don't think that 827 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,160 they'll be able to, but that's because we've not seen them be 828 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,480 able to up to this point, at least not with this particular 829 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,200 collection of players and this collect particular collection of 830 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,120 coaches. But it's certainly not out of 831 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,680 the realm of possibility. They've they've got to clean 832 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,720 some things up. They've got to play better 833 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:01,600 frankly than they played in this game. 834 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,800 But the fact that there are guys out there for Indiana, as you 835 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,000 mentioned earlier, who are still dialed in, who are still out 836 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,360 there making plays, this was what we kept talking about, 837 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,880 Scott. It's like will this team show a 838 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,320 pulse the way they did down the stretch last year. 839 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,280 And I think this is almost a, you know, you're at least still 840 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,640 in bowl contention. You know it's three and six. 841 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,920 Last year I think the problem was they won that Michigan State 842 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,240 game and it didn't matter because they weren't going to a 843 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,600 bowl regardless. And you know, even with that 844 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,720 they they were up for that Purdue game at least in the 845 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,960 first half. So that's where I think there is 846 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,960 some room for optimism, but I would certainly not predict it. 847 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,240 Now if they beat Illinois, I think that's a different story, 848 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,160 but I think that's going. To be a real tough game for 849 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,120 them. I'm going to take the other 850 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,880 might sound is more optimistic like even if they lose to you 851 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,120 know and I know we're like bowl is kind of a focus because it's 852 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,120 something I I would say this even if they lose to Illinois 853 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,320 there's still a lot to play for the rest of the year because. 854 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,560 You like you said, I mean I think Illinois is probably the 855 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:03,840 toughest. I think it just gets 856 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,200 progressively easier as you go toward the end of the year. 857 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,480 If you lose to Illinois, you still have two rivalry games on 858 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,040 your schedule, one of which is Purdue, which is always a big 859 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,320 thing to win. And if you and you know it's 860 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,000 like you're you're playing probably the biggest hot mess of 861 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,640 a program in Michigan State. A, a program which you know as 862 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,680 as we restructure the Big 10 like Purdue, Michigan State, 863 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,960 like those are the programs you got to get ahead like we're not 864 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,800 you know? I'm not going to sit here and 865 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,640 say, all right, you know now we're ahead of Wisconsin in the 866 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,720 Pecky or the Big 10 like. But you know, we beat Michigan 867 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:35,000 State, that's, you know, two wins. 868 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,200 I think that's, you know, over the last seven or eight years, 869 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,000 you know that puts us at 500 against them. 870 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,200 You know that's that's a good win against a A-Team that's down 871 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,760 like another win you can get against a down team. 872 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,040 You beat Purdue. That's a rivalry win against 873 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,600 your your rival and then if you now you now have three Big Ten 874 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,000 wins, which is more than last year, that's not. 875 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,560 Cause for celebration, but it's like you are taking incremental 876 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,440 steps. And so I look at it that even if 877 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,320 they lose to Illinois there is still a lot to play for even if 878 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,880 as you said like the quick lanes bowl is off the table. 879 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,200 You know, So I I do agree with you. 880 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,440 I think this is kind of a pivotal point of the the Allen, 881 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,240 the Allen era, because if they, you know, there's a couple 882 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,720 different options here. But if they win one more game to 883 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,600 finish this year, this season out, it's kind of like, all 884 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,040 right, well. It'd be kind of like the end of 885 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,040 last year. It's like, all right, well, that 886 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,480 didn't really you. You look at, you look, that's 887 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,040 suddenly, suddenly the Wisconsin game is just in a context. 888 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:28,920 Of, Well, Indiana. Good. 889 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,280 Had a good day. And Wisconsin's bad, but if if 890 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,920 they went out and go to a bowl, you know, I I do think this is 891 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,800 where you could look at, you know, this is where Allen looked 892 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,640 into the abyss and was had his back as far against the wall as 893 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,600 you could and he was able to pull it out. 894 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:48,560 Yeah, I mean, I I think the comp right now without any other 895 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,040 context for this Indiana win over Wisconsin is it's not too 896 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,760 different from the Illinois win last year where first game of 897 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,680 the season they knock off Illinois. 898 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,480 Illinois goes on to have a really good season. 899 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,680 Probably should have gone to the the Big 10 championship game if 900 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,200 they hadn't lost late in the season and Purdue hadn't won. 901 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,960 And then you you had that win at Michigan State. 902 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,960 But Michigan State was kind of crumbling at that point. 903 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,560 But that was the context of all of those wins. 904 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,800 I mean, everything else was a loss. 905 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,520 Some of them were close losses, like the Maryland game and the 906 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,360 Rutgers game. Some of them were blowouts like 907 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,000 the Ohio State game down the stretch or the Penn State game. 908 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,240 And so that's where I'm not going to jump out in front of 909 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,920 the parade here. Let's let's see what they do. 910 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,600 And that's the big thing. I mean, Indiana just has not 911 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:38,000 demonstrated an ability to put two wins together and you have 912 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,720 to go, obviously Scott, back to the end of the 2020 season to 913 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,760 the last time that Indiana even won two consecutive Big 10 914 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,560 games. When's the last time Indiana's 915 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,280 won Four consecutive Big 10? It was that same season 'cause 916 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,320 they started off. They beat Penn State, Rutgers, 917 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,720 Michigan and Michigan State. But if you go back before that, 918 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:58,880 the last time Indiana won four consecutive Big 10 games was 919 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,400 actually the 2019 season. It was that magical stretch 920 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,280 where they they blanked Rutgers, they won at Maryland, they went 921 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,440 on the road and won at Nebraska after Pennix got injured and 922 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,880 Ramsey had to come in and quarterback. 923 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,080 And then they came home and they destroyed Northwestern. 924 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,160 They won those four games in a row. 925 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,960 And that was really what sealed their appearance in the Gator 926 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,240 Bowl that year. And they, you know, obviously 927 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:23,600 they'd win the Purdue game at the very end of the season, but 928 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,920 that's frankly from a quality perspective. 929 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,000 That stretch that I just said there is essentially what you'd 930 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,920 be facing in this four-game stretch. 931 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,280 The difference is that was a much better team. 932 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,240 That was a team that had a lot of talent on it. 933 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,120 It had a proven play caller. It had a an up and coming 934 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,760 defensive coordinator who was just really hitting his stride. 935 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,240 And it had an offense that was capable of scoring over 30 936 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:49,240 points a game, which it did in each of those four. 937 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,600 Whereas this season, you know, if you take out the Indiana 938 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,960 State game, Indiana hasn't eclipsed the 30 point mark the 939 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,720 entire season. Now what is promising is that 940 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,160 after a stretch of not being able to even get over the 20 941 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,600 point mark, Indiana has now scored 24 points and then 20 942 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,800 points in the last two games. So there are some signs of 943 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,280 improvement and I think it's reasonable, especially with how 944 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,600 Donovan Mcculley is starting to play, especially with how 945 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,360 Soresby starting to get more comfortable with his receipt 946 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:19,480 being. Targeted, but yes, well, yes, 947 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,160 that too. But, but you know that catch he 948 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,320 made, that was one of the greatest catches I've seen an 949 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,080 Indiana wide receiver make like ever that that one in the end 950 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,960 zone. And he almost had another one on 951 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,080 the previous drive. You know, the fact that you 952 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,640 you're starting to get a little of comfort here because now 953 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,200 Soresby's actually gotten consistent. 954 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,360 Reps and has actually gotten a chance to work with his wide 955 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,320 receivers. That's really promising. 956 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,280 I don't Extra Williams interest music. 957 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,120 Dexter, is that you coming out? Sorry. 958 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,120 Just like once we get consistency, it feels like we're 959 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:48,920 gonna throw it in. Sorry. 960 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,680 I know. And look, I'll commend Alan and 961 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,320 the coaching staff for resisting the temptation when the offense 962 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,040 hasn't gone the way they wanted to in the last couple of games. 963 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,760 They've just been like, well, we're going to stick the course 964 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,120 here because they need to. That has to be how you conduct 965 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,720 the course. Do that. 966 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:07,720 Yes. You have a young quarterback 967 00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:10,800 who's still learning the game. I am really impressed up to this 968 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,440 point with with how Brandon Soresby has has managed to 969 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,920 figure out how to not make a lot of mistakes. 970 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,880 I mean, you look down the stretch here, he has one 971 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,040 interception all season on 139 attempts. 972 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,480 He's only completing 55% of his passes. 973 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,800 But in the last two games he's completed 68.4% of his passes 974 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,720 and 61.3% of his passes. And Scott? 975 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,560 That will get the job done. Well, it's it's not the best 976 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,480 comp. Because they they are totally 977 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,480 different quarterbacks. But it does remind me of Peyton 978 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,120 Ramsey a little bit. Ramsey didn't have a cannon, but 979 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,680 he was very consistent and he didn't make a lot of mistakes. 980 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,480 He's able to move his legs. Maybe it's actually not that bad 981 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,120 of a comp, but it's like you can go to the Gator Bowl. 982 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,400 I mean, I know that was half, half panic that year, but you 983 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,400 know that team was led by and went to the Gator Bowl and 984 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,040 probably should, you know, could have won the Gator Bowl with 985 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,400 with with Ramsey as quarterback. So you don't need, you know, a 986 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,160 Heisman level quarterback there to to have the kind of success 987 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,680 that we're looking for or to have the success against the 988 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,520 three teams that we have. There's no knock. 989 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,680 It's his first year. I mean, he could grow into that. 990 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,360 But yeah, I mean he's doing all the things that a quarterback at 991 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,440 Indiana needs to do. So as we wrap up the, the 992 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,920 football portion of the podcast you had, did you have something 993 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,320 that you were going to mention from earlier that I remembered 994 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,120 or have we already blown past that? 995 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:26,120 We we blew past that. It was the IT was the bowl 996 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,640 thing. It was the four games of the 997 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,200 bowl. Well, again, just just to note 998 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,440 for everybody, IU now three and six on the season, they pick up 999 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,560 their first win in the conference, which is why it's 1000 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,440 ridiculous that we're talking about Indiana potentially going 1001 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,200 to a bowl because it's a long way away. 1002 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,720 But it is still a possibility and you do have the softest part 1003 00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:47,880 of the schedule coming up in the next few. 1004 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,640 Weeks, just because it's still available, would it like just 1005 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,840 because we have one week where we may not be able to do it next 1006 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,480 week, would it be the quick Lane? 1007 00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,120 But like what what, what ball would we be looking at going to? 1008 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,960 It's not the Rose Bowl, Crimson Peter Bowl or the Outback Bowl. 1009 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,600 I'm giving you time to search it, but so we'll take those out, 1010 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,440 probably not the Citrus Bowl. Where are we looking at? 1011 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:13,480 Well, long long time Crimson cast supporter Jordan Bailey has 1012 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:20,040 put together a a list of all of the games that Indiana might be 1013 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,480 in and So what he's he is pretty much as he sketched it out he he 1014 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,960 does see the Quick Lane Bowl as the most likely candidate which 1015 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,680 would be the day after Christmas the 26th up in Detroit against 1016 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,920 the Max school. Now the other the other thing to 1017 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,240 keep in mind though is a a bowl eligible Big 10 team is going to 1018 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:43,120 make a bowl in this day and age, regardless of whether it's one 1019 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,240 of the automatic tie insurance or whether it's one of the bowls 1020 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,600 that ends up having a spot that doesn't get filled. 1021 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:53,160 I mean the the the, the list of Jordan sent us, you've obviously 1022 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,400 got the College Football Playoff, which could include 1023 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,920 both Michigan State or excuse me, both Michigan and Ohio 1024 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,000 State. Sorry, you've got Penn State 1025 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,000 likely going to a New Year 6 bowl. 1026 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,920 Then you'd have the Citrus Bowl, which probably would be Iowa. 1027 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,080 You have the Reliaquest Bowl, which I think is the old Outback 1028 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,040 Bowl, which would probably in Jordan's sketch, be Rutgers. 1029 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,200 You've got the Music City Bowl, which, let's say Minnesota. 1030 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,400 You've got the Vegas Bowl, which would be, let's say Maryland. 1031 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,400 You've got the Pinstripe Bowl, which would probably be like 1032 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,800 Wisconsin. You've got the Guaranteed Rate 1033 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,440 bowl which would probably be Illinois maybe depending on how 1034 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,080 the seat in Nebraska, Illinois one of those two and then you 1035 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,960 get the quick Lane Bowl which could be Indiana. 1036 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,720 But there will be other opportunities potentially if you 1037 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:41,120 get to 6:00 and 6:00 because six and six you're going to be 1038 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,720 somewhat of an attractive team in as much as you're four and 1039 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:45,800 five in your conference at that point. 1040 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,280 And you know I I have a hard time seeing an Indiana team that 1041 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,520 almost went 500 in conference be left out. 1042 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:58,040 Again, not predicting it, not expecting it, but the path is 1043 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,800 there. Yeah, and and the the, you know, 1044 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,600 beggars can't be choosers. There is a world where if you go 1045 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,440 to the Quick Lane Bowl, you know it's the other thing. 1046 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,240 It's like. I'm saying like, it gives you a 1047 00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:11,280 chance to get a win in a bowl, which is like, yes, that's what 1048 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,640 I was saying. It's like you you need to pick 1049 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,320 up a win in a bowl game so that people can stop saying, oh, the 1050 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,240 last time India won in a bowl was 1991 was 91. 1051 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,120 But you know, it's get those macros out. 1052 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,280 Then all that's left, the only other one that that Indiana 1053 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,840 would have to take care of is finally beating Ohio State. 1054 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,200 So we could put that dumb, dumb record to bed, but but that's 1055 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,560 that's what needs to happen and that's great. 1056 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:38,120 Look, again, in a season that was literally DOADOA left for 1057 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,880 dead side of the road. Like, please, someone tow this 1058 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,320 thing to. To resurrect to the point where 1059 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,760 you would be in any sort of postseason action would be a 1060 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,280 huge accomplishment. And again, I'm not predicting 1061 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,840 it, but I think we need to talk about it. 1062 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,560 So yeah, it's a fascinating time, it really is. 1063 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,280 And we'll see what Indiana is able to do. 1064 00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,880 I think Illinois is going to be loaded for Bear in this game 1065 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,440 that they play next week, and obviously we'll talk about it a 1066 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,000 lot more in depth when we get to it. 1067 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,680 Illinois's had a weird season. You know, they they they've 1068 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,720 they've been all over the map in terms of their results and it's 1069 00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,720 hard to say exactly how that game would go. 1070 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,560 It's it'll be an interesting one. 1071 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,760 It's one of those where I actually, I don't think I'm 1072 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,480 going to be able to make it, but I think that's the kind of game 1073 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,600 that if you could make it as an Indiana fan, I'd recommend 1074 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,200 getting over there. It's not that if you live in 1075 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,120 this area, it's not that far to get to Champaign and right now 1076 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,960 the get in price for that game is $8. 1077 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,040 It is, it is not a hot ticket in Champaign Urbana right now to go 1078 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,880 to an Illinois football game. And I mean even relatively 1079 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,320 decent seats you could get like you know visitor, sideline, 1080 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,240 lower bowl, that's $35 a ticket, $28.00 a ticket. 1081 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,440 I mean that's a pretty reasonable price, so. 1082 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,240 And you look at the grading like Pro Football Focus like they are 1083 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,120 Indiana. You know, on defense we are, we 1084 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,080 are 8:00 and 9:00 in the Big 10 On offense, their 7th or 10th, 1085 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,160 but it's not that statistically far off. 1086 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,360 You know this is this is a this is definitely a win. 1087 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,640 I mean you know Illinois, you know Illinois offense is below 1088 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,080 Rutgers in in in grading. So it's it is not a bridge too 1089 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,840 far $8 to get in. That's wild. 1090 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,640 Yeah, it is pretty wild. Just a reminder, Indiana is 1091 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,160 still three and six and their wins on the season have been 1092 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,400 Indiana State, Akron and Wisconsin. 1093 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,080 So not to throw too much water on the fire. 1094 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,280 With a huge asterisk. Yes. 1095 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,400 Just just a you know, so but nonetheless. 1096 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,760 But again you're you're dealing with games against Illinois, 1097 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,720 Michigan State and Purdue and you know it's it's worth noting 1098 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,440 Illinois. Four wins are Toledo, Florida 1099 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,240 Atlantic, Maryland and Minnesota. 1100 00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:53,040 Not exactly a murderer's row. And their two Big Ten wins have 1101 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,600 come by a grand combined total of four points. 1102 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,080 So. And and again, like the last 1103 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,000 thing I'll say is like what you have in front of you is like you 1104 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,840 you had a wounded Wisconsin team, you took care of business 1105 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,640 like Illinois is different, but you have a Michigan State team 1106 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,320 that is like just been a dumpster fire all season having 1107 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,520 all kinds of problems that's available to you. 1108 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,280 You have a Purdue team with a new coach is having issues like 1109 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,880 you know when you look at programs that are consistent or 1110 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,320 just kind of average? They have these years where it's 1111 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,520 like Oh yeah, you know they they they beat a bunch of kind of 1112 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:25,840 bad. They were the best of the worst 1113 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,040 teams. They went, you know, seven and 1114 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,560 five or six and six and went to a kind of, you know what you 1115 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,680 consider a low end bowl. But it's like they they did all 1116 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,160 that and that's something. We have it in front of us. 1117 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,880 We have one of those seasons in front of us where it's like 1118 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,440 everything broke our way. A bunch of the teams we're 1119 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,440 playing are having external issues. 1120 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,080 Just capitalize on it. Yeah, and they but they did they 1121 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,720 they did one. That's awesome. 1122 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:52,160 Go do go go to the next one anyway, that'll wrap up. 1123 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,000 Our podcast extravaganza Today again, Indiana wins against 1124 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,520 Wisconsin 20 to 14. Two wins in a row against 1125 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,440 Wisconsin. Only the 4th win against 1126 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,400 Wisconsin since 1993. So good to see that happen. 1127 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,920 I know it's what and a Big Ten win? 1128 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,040 Yes. Another another one. 1129 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,960 That's that's that's three now in the last season and 1/2 for 1130 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,000 Indiana. So always stuff to to celebrate 1131 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,160 here anyway. We'll go ahead and wrap up 1132 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,840 again. Just a reminder folks, we got a 1133 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,120 ton of content coming up for you later this week. 1134 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,040 We're going to have our first regular season IU Men's 1135 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,240 Basketball Podcast as the Hoosiers are back on the court 1136 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,000 for real, this time against Florida Gulf Coast. 1137 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,680 On Tuesday night. We will recap that game and talk 1138 00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,280 a little bit about how we feel after the first two preseason 1139 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,120 games. And that one will have the 1140 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,360 Crimson Cast Women's Basketball Show coming up later this week 1141 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,160 as Amanda Foster and Kevin Vera bring you the latest from the 1142 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,120 ladies. We've got, of course, Crimson 1143 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,920 Cash where money can be made and will be made. 1144 00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,440 And we've got the preview show for IU football as they get 1145 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,320 ready to take on the Illinois Fighting Illini. 1146 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,320 Scott, anything else from you before we wrap up? 1147 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,120 No, man. Big Ten win. 1148 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,480 Big 10 win. We love them anyway. 1149 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,600 For our friends at the Back Home Network, for our presenting 1150 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,040 sponsor home field apparel and for all you folks that have 1151 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,400 listened to us over the years and continue to listen, thank 1152 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,240 you, appreciate it. For Scott, I'm Galen, this is 1153 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,000 Crimson Cast. We'll catch you folks on the 1154 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,200 flip side, bring back the Bison. So on everybody.