1 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:09,900 You're listening to the back home network presented by home 2 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:23,400 field apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cass 3 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,900 Galen. Klaviyo joining a here. 4 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:29,900 It is Tuesday, the 29th of March as we're about done with. 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,900 This month and Indiana basketball, both men's and 6 00:00:34,900 --> 00:00:37,000 women's with do a lot of news that's happened here, over the 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,600 course of the last week and we're going to talk about that a 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,800 little bit later on here. We got a couple of our favorite 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,300 guests. Joining us a little bit of a 10 00:00:45,308 --> 00:00:47,300 recap before we get started with everything. 11 00:00:47,300 --> 00:00:50,900 Of course, the IU Women's season, unfortunately ended a 12 00:00:50,908 --> 00:00:53,600 little bit earlier than I know everybody wanted it to, they 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,800 lose in Connecticut to Connecticut. 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,600 Don't know what the NCAA selection. 15 00:00:59,900 --> 00:01:04,599 I was doing there exactly. But Hoosiers gave it their best. 16 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,700 They ran into a very, very good UConn team at UConn team that 17 00:01:07,700 --> 00:01:11,700 has since booked a ticket to the final four, but a tremendous 18 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:15,400 season for the Indiana Hoosiers, Women's Basketball team, and 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,100 certainly our congratulations to that whole roster, and coaching 20 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:22,600 staff and everybody involved with the program. 21 00:01:23,100 --> 00:01:27,600 Also, Indiana, Men's Basketball with some additional turnover. 22 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,500 Both on the coaching front. They add an assistant coach, 23 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:34,400 Brian Walsh who'd been serving in more of an administrative 24 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,500 role taking over as a full-time assistant and congratulations to 25 00:01:38,508 --> 00:01:40,900 him. And then some players getting 26 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:44,100 into the portal Parker, Stewart recently, announcing that he has 27 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:47,500 entered the portal, not really a huge surprise there and then a 28 00:01:47,500 --> 00:01:50,000 couple of other players as well, which we're going to talk about 29 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,800 here in just a minute. We're going to have Father, 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,300 James Pierce, and Tony had Rania both joining us on the show 31 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:59,000 today to talk about not just what's going on right now, but 32 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,300 maybe what to, Look for over the summer and some things to think 33 00:02:02,300 --> 00:02:06,400 about in terms of IU men's basketball in particular, before 34 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,600 we get to that, I wanted to go ahead and remind you all that 35 00:02:09,699 --> 00:02:12,900 Crimson cast is part of the back home network and the back home. 36 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:15,200 Networks title. Sponsor is home. 37 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,800 Field apparel. Really Juiced right now. 38 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,900 I got via UPS my eye, you drop shadow. 39 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:25,800 Joggers, those came today along with the Saint Peter's strutted 40 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,500 Destiny t-shirt. 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We're getting ready to talk a 59 00:03:31,308 --> 00:03:33,000 little bit about IU football as well. 60 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,300 I know, we've got a lot of OU football fans in the listening 61 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:38,300 group. So, if you've got questions 62 00:03:38,300 --> 00:03:41,500 about IU football, go ahead and hit us up on Twitter at Crimson 63 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:44,400 Cask, or you can hit me up at dr. 64 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,500 G c on Twitter as well. I'm always happy to log some 65 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:50,700 questions and get those dropped into the Podcast chat. 66 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:53,500 So, we'll do that coming up here relatively soon. 67 00:03:55,100 --> 00:03:58,500 All right, joining us on the show, two of our favorite 68 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:00,900 guests. Tony had Ronnie a member of the 69 00:04:00,908 --> 00:04:04,300 back home network and all-around good dude. 70 00:04:04,300 --> 00:04:07,300 He's been podcasting with us for over a decade in one form or 71 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:08,300 another joining us. Tony. 72 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:10,500 How you doing again? Doing fantastic. 73 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:14,000 Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure and back 74 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:16,800 again. After last week is triumphant 75 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,500 return to the IU podcasting. Seen, Father, James Pierce 76 00:04:20,500 --> 00:04:22,700 joining us. I know I've had both of you on a 77 00:04:22,707 --> 00:04:25,800 podcast before. For, I can't remember the last 78 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,200 time that it happened. But this is exciting for me to 79 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,400 see both of you on here. My money is on 2011 Galen. 80 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:37,100 Wow, likewise. I think the, the Hoosier hotline 81 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,200 is giving Jimmy at the time in myself. 82 00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:47,400 Did I think I'm like, Thursday, nights on BlogTalkRadio. 83 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:49,800 Yes. I miss BlogTalkRadio. 84 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,100 That would my wife did the commercial voicing for that. 85 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:56,900 That was great. And Blog Talk Radio, I believe 86 00:04:56,900 --> 00:05:00,800 still works and sounds exactly like it did in 2011, which is 87 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,900 why we don't use it anymore, but man what an experience that was. 88 00:05:05,900 --> 00:05:10,000 But now, great to have both you gentlemen back and there has 89 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,500 been no shortage of news and updates about IU basketball. 90 00:05:13,500 --> 00:05:16,400 Let's kind of recap. What's happened since we last 91 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,400 talked. I mentioned this a little bit at 92 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,100 the top of the show, but we have had some additional IU players. 93 00:05:22,100 --> 00:05:26,700 Put their names into the It'll or just announced that they're 94 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:29,200 leaving the most recent one, of course, being Parker Stewart. 95 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,000 Who, which I don't think that was a particular surprise, to a 96 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,900 lot of people that he would be looking to move elsewhere. 97 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:39,300 Rob, fennessy has entered his name in the transfer portal as 98 00:05:39,300 --> 00:05:41,200 well, which was a bit of a surprise. 99 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,700 I think to some observers who just assumed that Rob would 100 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:48,700 automatically be coming back. Michael dirr entered his name in 101 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:52,900 the portal, which I guess was a mild surprise like in the same 102 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:56,100 vein of It rained today when it was actually supposed to be 103 00:05:56,100 --> 00:06:01,600 sunny and then and then Christian Lander, of course 104 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,200 entered the portal as well. Tony that I miss anybody. 105 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,800 So far as of recording at least know, so I guess maybe. 106 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,800 Let's start off Tony. I want to hear your overall 107 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,500 impressions of those four moves and then James, I want to hear 108 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:19,900 yours as well. So so Tony, let's start with you 109 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:22,100 on that. Like your your overall reaction 110 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:25,300 to who's in the portal right now and What kind of impact that has 111 00:06:25,300 --> 00:06:32,300 on the IU roster moving forward? I guess to be kind, it's kind of 112 00:06:32,300 --> 00:06:36,500 like a man, you know, like it's it's not anything where it's 113 00:06:36,500 --> 00:06:39,300 like, oh, how will this program move forward without these guys? 114 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:44,100 And to be quite Frank, you know, I you had to lose three, guys, 115 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:48,000 no matter what to bring their sign or they're signing class in 116 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:49,700 recruiting class in for this year. 117 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:52,800 So, you know, we knew that there was going to have to be some 118 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,700 roster attrition in the grand scheme of things. 119 00:06:55,700 --> 00:06:57,600 Your Rob fantasy. You take away. 120 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:03,900 Purdue game had a really bad season by the numbers and just 121 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:05,800 really never could get it going. Once he did in the Purdue game 122 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,300 to get injured again. And then you look at them, 123 00:07:08,300 --> 00:07:11,100 Michael dirr again. You take away the Purdue game, 124 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:16,300 really not much of an impact on the season and then Christian 125 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:19,400 land or just a guy that you know, his body never filled out 126 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,800 to be a Big Ten guard, which is fine, you know, that happens. 127 00:07:23,900 --> 00:07:26,600 And then with Parker Stewart, you know, really unique 128 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,900 situation for Him and and you know, that's a kid that's been 129 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:34,000 through a lot and his you're talking about a kid whose role 130 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,500 at his last school was pretty much can shoot the ball at will, 131 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,900 you know, it was almost a 20 point per game score at UT 132 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:42,300 Martin. And then having his role scaled 133 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:44,100 back to what it was. Pretty much is a spot-up 134 00:07:44,100 --> 00:07:48,200 shooter, you know, it's tough to deal with and, you know, he 135 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,700 joined the IU program under a different regime, you know, 136 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:54,200 that's just the guy that's had a really, really unique and kind 137 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,800 of unprecedented college career and, you know, Wasn't a shock to 138 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:01,400 see him. You know, he originally just 139 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,300 said, I'm done with. I you he didn't answer enter the 140 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:07,200 portal right out of the bat and then eventually after kind of, I 141 00:08:07,207 --> 00:08:10,100 think exploring some possible professional options. 142 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:11,900 He did in his name in the portal. 143 00:08:11,900 --> 00:08:15,100 Once he kind of he tweeted that, like, you know, mentally, he 144 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:18,200 doesn't know that he can handle like going overseas next year, 145 00:08:18,700 --> 00:08:20,700 which is where his Pro Prospects would be. 146 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:23,000 So, in the grand scheme of things. 147 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:26,200 There's gonna have to be roster attrition at the grand scheme of 148 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,900 things. I use roster and has to be 149 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:31,600 better. And so, all these moves in a 150 00:08:31,608 --> 00:08:35,100 vacuum. I don't think are a bad thing 151 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,799 for the forward progression of Indiana basketball. 152 00:08:39,299 --> 00:08:42,100 Father James, your overall observations on this. 153 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:45,800 What are you thinking? Maybe like the one thing that 154 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,700 catches my love, just looking at the numbers is that you know, 155 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:52,800 from giving everything ton of you're talking about you. 156 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,000 There wasn't space for everybody. 157 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,100 Everybody who's left. They decided to go in terms of 158 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:02,100 three-point shots. That is a third of the team's 159 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:05,500 attempts on the ear. Just term that you to invest in 160 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:09,100 terms of like volume, like kind of trying to figure out Where 161 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,900 these shots are going to come from and how effective are they 162 00:09:11,900 --> 00:09:16,300 going to be? Is it too early to say, or you? 163 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:18,400 Just because it looks like a lot of the back court is more or 164 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,300 less set. There's some I'm sure we'll talk 165 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:22,700 a little bit, the front Court, there's some question marks, 166 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:24,300 kind of how that's going to shake out. 167 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:27,900 But in terms of the backcourt, it's like you've got, you know, 168 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:32,600 you will see kind of a savior Johnson decides to return but 169 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:35,800 you know, you've basically got your back court more or less. 170 00:09:36,100 --> 00:09:38,100 And so the, a lot of the three-point shots are going to 171 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:39,500 have to come. They're you're missing the third 172 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:42,600 of them. So I wonder, you know what, that 173 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:43,600 looks like. That's kind of my biggest 174 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,300 question from how that check out. 175 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,800 Yeah, that'll be interesting and it's kind of funny because the 176 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:56,900 last two off Seasons it has been I use got to get better shooting 177 00:09:57,300 --> 00:10:00,800 and then so far the last two offseasons I use best shooter 178 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,300 from that team has entered the portal or last year was both 179 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:06,800 their best Shooters in Armand Franklin and Alder mm both 180 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,100 entered. They were you know, 2020 ones 181 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:12,600 best Shooters, enter the portal Parker Stewart percentage-wise 182 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,900 was I use best shooter now enter the portal. 183 00:10:15,700 --> 00:10:18,600 So it's been funny that you know, Trying to try to find some 184 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,100 Shooters in the Indiana program and the best percentage guys 185 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:22,700 keep leaving. Now. 186 00:10:22,708 --> 00:10:25,700 I'm not saying they should have stayed or are you should work to 187 00:10:25,700 --> 00:10:28,900 keep these guys, but in terms of shot volume, I do think I use 188 00:10:28,900 --> 00:10:33,000 going to hit the portal to try to find another shot maker. 189 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,600 Possibly a small guard, especially with Jalen Hood. 190 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Should be no coming in and you know, projected to probably play 191 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,500 20 plus minutes a game now that can change and things can shake 192 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:47,200 out in different ways, but I think you'll see a lot. 193 00:10:47,300 --> 00:10:48,700 I've shot volume coming from him. 194 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:51,300 Xavier Johnson. And then I really do think 195 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:53,100 Miller cop. They're going to try to get a 196 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:59,600 bigger role for him next season, you know, Brian Walsh talked 197 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,400 glowingly about him about Miller, cop and particular and 198 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,900 how in practice, he never misses a shot and all kinds of things. 199 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:09,300 So I really do think they're going to try to find a bigger 200 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:15,000 role for Miller cop next season. Now that could be depending on 201 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,700 who you are a good or bad thing, but It. 202 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,000 I do think you're you're going to see a more concerted effort 203 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,800 and sets run to try and get Miller. 204 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,300 Shadow Miller cop open. It's interesting, Tony because 205 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:31,300 we looking at where the rosters at right now. 206 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:37,900 It's Johnson hood shit. Pheno, Galloway gun Bates, and 207 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:40,400 Leo, that's basically the six guys that you would count the 208 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,500 back. What if you want to throw Miller 209 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:44,300 cop in there, I guess. Maybe for the purposes of this, 210 00:11:44,300 --> 00:11:46,000 you would. So there's seven players. 211 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:51,500 It's interesting because you would assume I guess that that 212 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:53,300 Johnson would start at the point. 213 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:58,000 I mean, I think he's earned that position but Given what we know 214 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,900 right now. What do you do with the rest of 215 00:11:59,900 --> 00:12:01,900 that line up? Like, how do you set everybody 216 00:12:01,900 --> 00:12:07,400 up? Yeah, it's hard because you 217 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,400 know, especially when you don't know what your front court is 218 00:12:09,408 --> 00:12:13,300 going to be because you know, if you start you start up bigger 219 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,800 Duo, let's say it's raised Thompson, Trace shacks and Davis 220 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,600 both decided to come back. Well, I mean if you want to try 221 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,100 a Miller cop, they're out at the three. 222 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,500 I think he's more of a stretch for type of guy. 223 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,900 You know, I think Jordan Geronimo would be a great 224 00:12:28,900 --> 00:12:32,500 stretch for type of guy and then you could slot Bateson at 3:00. 225 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:35,400 You know, a combo guard. We know that what would you 226 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,000 like? What do you like to length you 227 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,100 like speed. And he wants guys that can 228 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:41,300 create a shot. That's tomorrow bait. 229 00:12:41,300 --> 00:12:44,600 So I think tomorrow base has to find the slot and that starting 230 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,300 lineup based on what would he likes? 231 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:48,300 That's JLo, bitch. Fino. 232 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,600 I think that he's going to find a spot in that. 233 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,900 Starting lineup. You know, if J 100, Fino plays a 234 00:12:54,908 --> 00:13:01,200 small role next year to me. It's going to be hard to to get 235 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,600 guys from those prep Academies. When back-to-back years 236 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,800 tomorrow, Bates and Jalen which Fino both come in is five-star 237 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,300 recruits in Place, Mall rules on. 238 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:12,900 I don't know what next year's team is going to be obviously, 239 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:15,000 but smart Bates. What didn't play a very big role 240 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,100 in. I'm not very good team. 241 00:13:16,900 --> 00:13:20,600 And so, you know, you have to look at it from that perspective 242 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,200 to a little bit. If you're Woody just from a 243 00:13:22,208 --> 00:13:24,600 sense of you built great relationships with these prep 244 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,500 programs that produce these you know, their five-star factories 245 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:31,800 basically. And so I think hoof Enos Watson, 246 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:38,100 so yeah and then You look at guys like wheel and and who else 247 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:40,500 do we tell CJ gun? I guess or yeah gone. 248 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:42,800 And, you know, gun was a shot-maker all season in the 249 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,000 High School season, you know, I don't know what that looks like. 250 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,000 Moving forward and how that translates to the college game 251 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,600 for him. But yeah, there's there's a, I 252 00:13:53,608 --> 00:13:56,500 think it's a good problem to have, but I still think that, 253 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,800 you know, if a solid point guard / shooting guard, combo guard 254 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,000 comes in and says, hey, I want to go there. 255 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,500 You know, to name names that let's say it's a Nigel pack from 256 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:08,700 Kansas state. Who's an 18-point premium score. 257 00:14:08,700 --> 00:14:11,800 All-big 12 performer from City of Indianapolis. 258 00:14:13,300 --> 00:14:16,500 You know, I think you have to take him and you figure it out. 259 00:14:16,900 --> 00:14:19,500 And so it really, it's just getting good guys, in. 260 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,100 And then letting the chips fall, where they may from there. 261 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,700 Got a backcourt question. So like it does seem stick in 262 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:33,300 there that a lot of what the priority was with Parker. 263 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:35,000 Stuart Miller cop playing so much. 264 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,000 This year would be the desire to have at least the threat. 265 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:45,200 So you have spacing but it also seems like the kind of defensive 266 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:49,200 expectation. Was a lot in terms of maybe this 267 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,900 is a question my hypothesis. Why Galloway play? 268 00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:57,100 A lot more than tomorrow Bates did when he had the chance was 269 00:14:57,100 --> 00:15:01,000 that they seem to like what he brought defensively and that 270 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,100 smart Bates is a freshman still trying to figure that stuff out. 271 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,700 I just wonder how like that looks. 272 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,800 Just in terms of trying to figure out what some of the 273 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,000 things were that might had Galloway slotted over Bates. 274 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,900 A lot of playing time this year. Yeah. 275 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:19,500 I think he was a playmaker, first and foremost, you know, he 276 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:22,200 was just a guy that every time he was in he was high energy, 277 00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:26,300 but Do you think you make a good point and it's not necessarily 278 00:15:26,900 --> 00:15:29,400 the individual defense, like keeping your guy in front of you 279 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:34,100 is important but I think Stewart and cop had really bought into 280 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:37,700 the team defense of Concepts and how Mike Woodson wanted to 281 00:15:37,700 --> 00:15:41,300 operate defensively, in terms of ball screen coverages and things 282 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:43,800 like that. Because I mean if you look at it 283 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,100 individually, Miller cop and Parker, Stewart are not 284 00:15:47,300 --> 00:15:49,200 world-beating Defenders by any mean. 285 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,800 Any means, you know, that was there both of their biggest 286 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,400 knocks coming into this season. And I, you had a season where 287 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,500 both of them are in the starting line up the majority of the 288 00:15:57,500 --> 00:15:59,800 time. And we're number one in terms of 289 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,100 adjusted defensive efficiency in the big Ted. 290 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:04,900 You know, I think that speaks volumes to Woody's defensive 291 00:16:04,900 --> 00:16:08,600 system for number one, but number two like that was that's 292 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,600 always been unique to me. Is everybody like a Parker? 293 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,700 Can't got a chair Miller. Can't go to chair yet. 294 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:15,900 They were part of the lineup. That was the best defensive 295 00:16:15,900 --> 00:16:18,700 lineup in the country or in the country in the conference. 296 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:21,900 And so I do think to get back to your question. 297 00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:25,000 I do think that's Why you saw those guys and starting lineup 298 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,600 and why you saw Galloway? Galloway slotted. 299 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,200 More minutes in Bates is based on a team defense. 300 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,300 And then Galloway was just such an energy guy that he impacted 301 00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:36,900 the game. The second he stepped on the 302 00:16:36,900 --> 00:16:40,800 floor and just to jump one worrying because that's where, 303 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,100 like hearing that there is the idea of looking at another 304 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:45,600 guard. It's kind of like because I do 305 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,200 think that you'd want to have feeling Hood, should be no play. 306 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,000 And if you're taking Nigel pack, then you're trying to find 307 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,300 minutes for Xavier Johnson and atrophy. 308 00:16:55,300 --> 00:16:58,300 No, and Tamar Bates and Trey, Galloway and die. 309 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:01,000 Pack it because Michael Packy can't play the three. 310 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,800 He's six feet tall. And also, if you're talking 311 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,300 about a bigger role for Miller cop, it's like you also have no 312 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:11,900 matter what that frontcourt, permutation looks like, Miller 313 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:16,500 play if he's here. And so there, you've got those 314 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:21,400 two backcourt spots, really, and you got to find places to play 315 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,400 talented, guys, people feel good about but Tony is it possible 316 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,300 that Woodson with his desire for athleticism? 317 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,400 Is MM in length. Just decides to go small and 318 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,700 with the idea and we're going to get to this in a second that 319 00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:36,900 maybe you don't have one of Trace Jackson Davis or race 320 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:41,400 Thompson or Jordan Geronimo, you're playing essentially three 321 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:46,300 guards and a swing man with one post player. 322 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:49,100 I mean, does that make sense based upon what it seemed like 323 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:51,900 Woodson was trying to do this year, I think so. 324 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:56,000 I mean, I think, I think, what's in, from a big perspective based 325 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,200 on what he had in the NBA and coming from the NBA. 326 00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:02,700 He wants mobile bigs that can stretch the floor, a little bit 327 00:18:02,700 --> 00:18:03,600 mean by mobile. Bigs. 328 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,300 I basically mean guys I can go out there set ball screens role 329 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:08,900 of the rim and catch Labs. Like we saw Trace Jackson Davis 330 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:11,200 do more towards the latter part of the year. 331 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,300 So yeah, I think that's certainly an option in terms of 332 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,900 playing three yards. You know, I think we saw that 333 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,800 that teams in the NCAA tournament. 334 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,400 Did that a lot, you know, kind of going small, if you will. 335 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:30,500 And it's, it's an approach that I Don't think is crazy in terms 336 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:34,100 of of IU, and in terms of just a different style of play. 337 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:37,100 Like, I know that the big Ten's of grind and, you know, all the 338 00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:41,000 best big men come from the Big Ten, but in terms of how that 339 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,000 kind of translates into to march in tournament play, you know, we 340 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,600 kind of see that that might not be the best approach. 341 00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:51,800 Let me before we get to The Bigs and the post players in general. 342 00:18:52,300 --> 00:18:54,400 I haven't, we haven't had a chance to talk since the season 343 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:55,700 ended. You've had a chance to kind of 344 00:18:56,100 --> 00:19:00,600 digest all of this. What was wrong with the offense 345 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,700 this year for IU? I mean, it's something that I 346 00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:06,300 think to some degree. We got tied up in the defense 347 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:09,500 being pretty good and it was overall. 348 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:12,300 But the, you know, as much as the defense took some steps 349 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:17,800 forward in terms of efficiency, the offense took a big step 350 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,100 back. Even from what it was in 351 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:21,000 Archie's last year. And nobody was walking around 352 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,100 saying, wow, this Archie Miller offense looks really good, you 353 00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:26,300 know, so what from your perspective was? 354 00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:28,300 The biggest issue was at systematic, was it? 355 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:30,400 Accusation like where do you fall on that? 356 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:34,600 Yeah, I think it was twofold. I think the number one part of 357 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,800 it is is that guys struggled to shoot? 358 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:42,800 So you really couldn't stretch the defense super well and I 359 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:48,300 think the stat, I you produced the third highest number of open 360 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:50,800 three-pointers this season across college basketball. 361 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:55,100 Well, there's a reason for that, that, you know, teams wanted 362 00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:58,500 them to shoot three point shots. So I think that it's too, To 363 00:19:58,508 --> 00:20:01,200 fold in that didn't have a lot of guys that can knock down 364 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,800 shots. I think the second part is that 365 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,700 their offense was predicated on low, efficiency shots, post-ups 366 00:20:07,700 --> 00:20:10,300 back to the basket, low efficiency shot. 367 00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:14,200 You know, that we, the best post up teams in the country are like 368 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,500 one point per possession and that's if you're just extremely 369 00:20:17,500 --> 00:20:20,100 efficient and you're knocking down your post Touches at a 370 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:23,700 really, really high rate, you know, that's but in the grand 371 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:26,200 scheme of things that's pretty low efficiency. 372 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,600 And so I think it's pretty Skated on that as well. 373 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,300 And then, I think when you saw how you get away from that 374 00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:36,700 towards the latter half really kind of the, the Purdue game 375 00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:38,600 leading into the Big Ten Tournament into the NCAA 376 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,500 tournament. You saw them go much more ball 377 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:44,000 screen heavy and I think the offense was more exciting to 378 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,600 watch and you saw just had a little bit more Pace a little 379 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,400 bit more flow. And then I think the third 380 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,900 aspect of that is that Xavier Johnson got much better as the 381 00:20:52,900 --> 00:20:55,100 season went on. He ran that offense. 382 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:59,200 He ran that show and they kind of went as he he went and he 383 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,900 didn't start very well. And so as the season wore on, I 384 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:06,200 think we saw, I use offense, get a tad better just because 385 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,400 they've your Johnson had a really good handle on what the 386 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,800 team should be in. And then he made great reads 387 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,700 coming out of ball screens, whether he should find the 388 00:21:12,700 --> 00:21:16,500 shooter, lifting up or find Tracy X and Davis with a lob to 389 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:19,200 the rim or pull up from 15 foot and knock it down. 390 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:25,000 So it's kind of three-pronged approach to me and that's why it 391 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,900 was bad. But I do think it got better, 392 00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:30,700 the latter half of the season. Reason, can I give you one 393 00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:32,300 number? You're going to love this? 394 00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:37,700 I guarantee it. So I you this year, took 618, 395 00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:46,300 threes and you've got robbed fantasy, Tamar Bates, Anthony 396 00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:49,300 Lee oltre. Galloway Jordan Geronimo, and 397 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:53,000 race Thompson, combining to shoot 263 of those. 398 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:58,300 That is 44 percent of your team's threes and they converted 399 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:03,000 on those at a percentage of 28 percent. 400 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,100 That when you have, that's not good. 401 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,700 Ladies and gentlemen, I just want to get that out. 402 00:22:07,700 --> 00:22:11,800 That's not a good percentage. And so there is something where 403 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:16,500 I'm thinking like, even though like, I mean, I did I did start 404 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:18,500 to feel bad for Mike. Once it at the end of the year. 405 00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:21,400 When everyone, what's going on the offense against like guy, I 406 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,700 mean, he didn't say it. But if he said, like, guys, you 407 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:29,100 know, 44% of our three-point shooting is coming at a pretty, 408 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:33,000 some like 30% rate. There's only so much you can do. 409 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Well, this is For whatever reason, people kept arguing 410 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,200 about this and Tony, please tell me if I'm wrong. 411 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,100 But there were open shots that were being taken by Miller cop 412 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:45,000 by Parker Stewart by brought fantasy and they just weren't 413 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,800 hitting them. And I'm watching people 414 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,600 criticize, the offense towards the latter half of the Season 415 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,000 like, well, those shots are rush and I fear not rushed like the 416 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,000 the, the there's a, there's a whole you read. 417 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,800 If you all read the book sprawl ball, some time, which I highly 418 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,300 recommend. It's a great look at the NBA and 419 00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:05,600 the way that the offensive game has changed by the three point 420 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,100 shot, but they talk about release time on shots and, you 421 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:12,000 know, the how they always hold Kyle Korver up as like kind of 422 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,900 the the, the, the great Ace of release time. 423 00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:17,500 He's got one of the shortest release times. 424 00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:21,300 The release times on Miller cops shots on Parker, Steward shots, 425 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:25,000 when they did get them off, was always really slow and it kind 426 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,900 of just feels like fixing that to some degree could satisfy. 427 00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:32,300 A lot of these issues that were talking about with percentages 428 00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:33,600 just by getting them up a little bit faster. 429 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,400 Sure. Absolutely. 430 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:41,500 Yeah, a lot of its mechanical, you know, I looking at IU from 431 00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:44,700 a, from a catch and shoot perspective, 36 percentile in 432 00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:49,300 the season, you know, lower 3rd, basically, in the country where 433 00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:53,300 it really gets kind of interesting is I don't, I'm not 434 00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:56,800 exactly sure what's energy defines as guarded versus 435 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,500 unguarded, but from a guarded perspective on catch and shoot 436 00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:03,900 shots. I you was in the 8th percentile 437 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:08,100 in the country, so, They had to be wide open and nobody around 438 00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:09,600 them to even for it to have a shot. 439 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,500 Because if there's even a hand in the face approach during the 440 00:24:12,508 --> 00:24:16,900 bottom, eight percent in the country, which is not great. 441 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,100 Something I would also like to note. 442 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:23,100 I've been talking about this with some other folks, but it's 443 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:26,300 just, it's still amazing to me and granted a couple of the 444 00:24:26,308 --> 00:24:28,500 players were talking about nor cop Rob Fitness. 445 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:31,800 Excuse me, Parker Stewart were brought in specifically by Mike 446 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,100 Woodson, but you look at the players that transferred and 447 00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:37,900 it's not like they left eye you and had particularly good 448 00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:40,900 three-point shooting Seasons. I mean Al Durham as great of a 449 00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:44,700 year as he had and congrats to Al, by the way, all region team 450 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,900 for Providence really deserve that. 451 00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:53,000 But, but a foul shot 23.7% from three on 114 shots this year. 452 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,900 Armand, Franklin, at Virginia who also had a really good 453 00:24:56,900 --> 00:25:04,200 season shot 29.6% on 179, three-point shots, and, you 454 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,700 know, the One dimension is Jerome Hunter who on 66 455 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:10,900 three-point shots for Xavier shot 21.2%. 456 00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:15,200 I'm just endlessly. Fascinated at how I you managed 457 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,400 to get a collection of guys that can't shoot from deep in one 458 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,500 place at one time. It's really. 459 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,700 It's one of those weird accomplishments. 460 00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:24,800 We may never see. Again in college basketball, at 461 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,800 least not at this level. And what's crazy is what our mom 462 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,800 was almost a 40% three-point shooter at IU. 463 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,200 Wasn't he? And Al was somewhere around 464 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,700 there as well. Yeah. 465 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,900 Ow, ow. When he was at IU, was 30, 38 466 00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:42,000 percent both the last two years that he was there and Armand. 467 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,400 I think left at 42.4%. So if you got an explanation for 468 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,000 that, let me know. It's pretty crazy. 469 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,800 And that's where just because throw that out where it's like I 470 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,200 did something to me. This is kind of one of the 471 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,000 things I was curious about hearing you say, like, the 472 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,700 release time is one thing, but you got it seen in one way. 473 00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:04,200 It's encouraging. Like a gale. 474 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,300 And I were talking at the enemy. Talking last time. 475 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:11,200 But you know, Victor Oladipo goes somehow from being a 24%. 476 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,500 Three-point shooter. He jumps like 20 percentage 477 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:16,800 points between his sophomore and junior year. 478 00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:19,000 I don't know if that's a coaching thing. 479 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,100 I don't know. It's so much about coach Walsh. 480 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:22,200 What? You know, what? 481 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,000 He's gonna do with the other guys would do, but maybe just 482 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000 two, in terms of like percentage differences. 483 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,600 Everybody's talking about Xavier Johnson, taking this big jump. 484 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,700 This was a neat thing to kind of see is that his sophomore year 485 00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:34,500 at Pitt. He took exactly the same number 486 00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:36,900 of Threes that he Did this year this year? 487 00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:40,600 He had five more of them and it was good to take him from 33% to 488 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,000 38%. So all of this is stuff on a 489 00:26:43,008 --> 00:26:46,500 margin. Just basically says so much of 490 00:26:46,508 --> 00:26:50,200 this is one in the offseason. So how did it go? 491 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,400 How does somebody like Trey Galloway like tomorrow baits? 492 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,500 Like Anthony Lille who want to be a lot more successful hitting 493 00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,500 the threes than they were. I don't know if it's appropriate 494 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:02,800 to like say it's like a what are some drills or whatever they're 495 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,900 doing. But this whole scene it seems 496 00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:07,600 that a number. It's a kind of on a margin, you 497 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,700 know, jump the number of Threes you hit in the season by six or 498 00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:13,000 seven and that does a lot to your percentage. 499 00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:17,400 Yes, absolutely. And you know, I think I think 500 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,300 the biggest thing is repetition. Like it's it's really hard to 501 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,400 you can tweak mechanics, but you can't make change a guy's shot 502 00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:30,600 in a college offseason. Like it's just, it's changing. 503 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,500 A shot is such a long long approach. 504 00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:36,500 So it's like tweaking mechanics like with Trey Galloway. 505 00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:39,400 Like he shoots flat. So I you can tweak that where 506 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,400 it's like, all right, let's get more more lift and a higher 507 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,900 release point in like that's You can drill and like I said, 508 00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:49,100 repetition repetition repetition, but a lot of it 509 00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:54,000 really, I truly believe it comes down to confidence like you 510 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,700 here. Miller cop can shoot in the gym 511 00:27:56,700 --> 00:28:00,200 and make 99 out of 100, three-pointers around the arc. 512 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,100 I guarantee, if you go into I use practice and you watch them 513 00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:05,700 shoot free throws. They'll make 80 80 to 85 percent 514 00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:07,900 of their free throws, but then you get on the line and a 515 00:28:07,908 --> 00:28:11,000 pressure situation, or you get in a game situation in the 516 00:28:11,008 --> 00:28:14,100 lights are on then, where does your confidence? 517 00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:16,300 Ago, are you confident making those shots? 518 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:20,600 You know, I think that Christian Lander in a you he was like a 45 519 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,200 percent three-point shooter in scoring 20 points a game. 520 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:26,500 He was confident as all get out. You know, he was he was the 521 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:29,000 number two ranked point guard in the country and he had all the 522 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,600 confidence in the world. He comes in my you doesn't 523 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,400 perform. Well as a lowest confidence 524 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,800 many, but I've seen and now he can't make a layup last season 525 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,100 confidence is huge. And in the more, that Woody and 526 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:42,700 his staff can instill confidence in these guys. 527 00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:44,100 The guys, when you shoot these shots. 528 00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:48,700 Going to make them and it's not easy to teach but I think 529 00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:52,600 getting these guys confidence back and up is going to be just 530 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,200 as vital as anything. They do mechanically or from a 531 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,600 repetition standpoint in terms of jump shots. 532 00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:03,900 Let's talk a little bit up about the post players or whatever the 533 00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:08,000 actual term you would use in today's era of basketball. 534 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,200 So right now no announcements yet from Tres Jackson, Davis Ray 535 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,900 stops and Jordan, Geronimo. Logan dunk. 536 00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:16,900 Mmm. So obviously, you know, Banks is 537 00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:20,400 coming in as a freshman. So he's going to be in the mix 538 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,400 and then we've decided to kick cop out of the the post players 539 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,600 and put him with the guards. Everybody's been focusing on the 540 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,600 offensive aspect of things about Trace Jackson Davis. 541 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,200 How do you replace that scoring Tony? 542 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,900 You did a good job of explaining that I think on a previous show. 543 00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:39,200 I'm more interested on the defensive side, Indiana, 544 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,800 obviously best, you know, per possession offense in the Big 545 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,000 Ten. As you mentioned, they finished 546 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:50,600 like 22nd overall, in Ken pom in your guy's opinion, how much of 547 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,100 that flowed from the play of the post players versus what you 548 00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:59,600 were getting out of the guards? And if say Thompson, or Trace 549 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,300 Jackson, Davis or Jordan Geronimo leaves, like how does 550 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:04,100 that impact? What Indiana is doing 551 00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:07,900 defensively, you know and what their what they would need to 552 00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:10,400 change? If anything going in the next 553 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:16,400 year on defense. Yeah, I think it's going to be 554 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,600 interesting especially if Case Jackson Davis leaves because I 555 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,400 use entire defense was kind of we're going to put heavy ball 556 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,100 pressure on you. And if you drive by us, we're 557 00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:29,600 going to let Trace Jackson Davis, leave his man and he's 558 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,200 going to go try to try to alter or block your shot. 559 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,800 You know, this was Trace Jackson. 560 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,000 Davis had his highest block rate. 561 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,600 This season. Was almost double what he did in 562 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,600 his sophomore season. And so that, you know, that was 563 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,500 what? What he did. 564 00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:46,000 About Rim protection and Trace Jackson Davis, being able to 565 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,300 protect that Rim. Now, if race, Thompson, is the 5 566 00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:52,700 because Tracy action Davis, isn't there? 567 00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:55,400 Or they bring some in from the portal? 568 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,700 Is that guy going to be able to do that? 569 00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:58,900 It will actually will be really interesting to see what they do 570 00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:01,900 defensively because Tracy X and Davis, did a really nice job 571 00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:04,700 this season of altering shots at the rim and kind of being that 572 00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:08,200 rim protector that Mike Woodson want him to be he's got really 573 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,900 good like fast-twitch, instincts. 574 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,200 It's not really something you can teach in my opinion. 575 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,300 And so So I'll be interested if he leaves or race leaves like we 576 00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,900 said, you know, there's a kind of a turnstile there that we're 577 00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:21,200 not sure where it's going to fall. 578 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,000 It would be interesting to see if they try to get somebody in 579 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,700 the portal that kind of has those same instincts. 580 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,900 So that that can kind of Be the Anchor of that defense or will 581 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:35,000 it be more, you know, what would you see him different defensive 582 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,100 style? Maybe they play something 583 00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:39,100 different because they've got different personnel. 584 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:45,800 Yeah, that was one thing I'm curious about because just, 585 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,000 you're just, you're talking about what Trace Jackson. 586 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,800 Davis brings her one. I was impressed at how Geronimo 587 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,700 wasn't blocking shots this year. During gerónimo did a lot more 588 00:31:56,700 --> 00:32:02,300 of that than he did his freshman year, but with also the part 589 00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:06,400 where he's committing a lot of fouls your compared to how many 590 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,000 shots each block and he in terms of rate he's doing You know, 591 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,000 twice as frequently as racetracks and Davis Creek, 592 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000 Jackson Davis is able to stay on the floor. 593 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:25,100 Those might, because my initial thought is this goes that maybe 594 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:28,600 you can get Geronimo to you know, jump and block a lot of 595 00:32:28,608 --> 00:32:32,000 those. But then can he stay out of foul 596 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,300 trouble and I'm curious about that but also just kind of 597 00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:39,800 wondering what because of the race Thompson did a lot of 598 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,700 really good. Good defensive work. 599 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,500 I don't have so much the vocabulary of what you're losing 600 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,800 if you lose him because it would be it would be, it would be very 601 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,100 different defense. It also seems to me if you have 602 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,100 traced Jackson Davis and Jordan Geronimo, say you look say 603 00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:01,400 hypothetically, you know, race Thompson moves on. 604 00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:04,600 On the one hand. It's neat to have like more kind 605 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,600 of overt athleticism in the way that Geronimo is but at the same 606 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,000 time, They would be different players. 607 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,300 I don't know, what'll what that'll look like or even how to 608 00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:20,200 think about it. Yeah, I mean, that one's a tough 609 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,000 one because a lot of Indiana's defensive effort and intensity, 610 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,400 really. It seemed a little bit matchup 611 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,300 dependent at times last year and race Thompson was so effective 612 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:34,100 because he fit into a bunch of different matchup dependent 613 00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:37,400 defensive schemes. And I do think you lose that to 614 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,900 some degree. Now could, if Jordan Geronimo is 615 00:33:40,908 --> 00:33:44,200 getting those minutes. I think he's just as capable of 616 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,500 fulfilling that role defensively and being that versatile. 617 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,100 And I think, especially You mentioned the foul thing. 618 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:52,200 He didn't foul as much as it seems. 619 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,300 I think he was averaging four fouls committed a little under 620 00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:58,800 four fouls committed per 40 minutes, which is, you know, not 621 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,000 ideal but it's also not that bad. 622 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,200 It's certainly better than like Michael dirr who has a ticket 623 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,699 like seven fast for 40 minutes, but I am interested. 624 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,199 The one issue that you run into that. 625 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,100 You don't know with Jordan Geronimo. 626 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:16,400 If you're looking at the game holistically is can Jordan 627 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,000 Geronimo come anywhere close over the span of The season to 628 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,100 providing the offense to go along with the defense that race 629 00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:25,900 Thompson was providing you, and that was really what I think he 630 00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:28,199 did. So, well, was that race times 631 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,199 ended up being like a B plus or a minus player on both ends of 632 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,699 the floor most nights. And I don't know yet for sure. 633 00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:35,400 Whether Jordan Geronimo can develop into that. 634 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,800 I like the signs, but I don't know what the outcome would be. 635 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:42,800 Yeah, it'll be interesting, Jordan Geronimo. 636 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,300 I think has the highest ceiling perhaps on this entire roster, 637 00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:52,199 in terms of his Pro prospecting. It's just, you know, when does 638 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,400 that come? He's now what 20s years old and 639 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,700 it's like, you know is next is his junior year like his 640 00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:02,400 breakthrough season where you know, he's able to take somebody 641 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,700 off the dribble. He's able to back somebody down. 642 00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:06,800 He's able to knock down. Wide-open threes off of a pick 643 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,400 and pop situation. Like it'll be, it'll be Resting 644 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,100 to see if he does indeed come back to IU in the ways that 645 00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:16,900 Woody wants to try and use him because he can be an intriguing 646 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:19,400 matchup. You know, he's, I think he's 647 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,100 what, he's only, what six-foot-six, like he plays 648 00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:26,600 bigger than he is, but surely in terms of size. 649 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,600 He's more of a three-man as a Pro Prospect. 650 00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:33,700 And so it'll be interesting to see if that's kind of, like, 651 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,500 what would he's trying to sell him on is like, we're going to 652 00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:38,900 have you played more of a three-step role, you might be 653 00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,800 the for We, but you'll play on the outside. 654 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,600 You'll play on the wing. And then, if I have smaller guy 655 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,300 comes on you, then maybe we'll take you down and post or 656 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:51,500 something like that. But he's somebody that intrigued 657 00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:52,200 me. That's what that's for. 658 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,800 Sure. He will actually be 21 at the 659 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,900 start of December of this upcoming year. 660 00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:02,700 So, there you go. Interesting, so I'm not here for 661 00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:04,400 many things but I'm here for birthdays. 662 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,700 I got that covered. Let's let's let's pull it out a 663 00:36:08,707 --> 00:36:12,900 little bit. So the news came down last week 664 00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:18,500 that I you was promoting Brian Walsh to the vacant assistant 665 00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:22,200 coaching position that was vacated by Dane Fife. 666 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,900 No longer being with the program. 667 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,900 I don't know about how James His knowledge of Brian is but I 668 00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:34,000 don't have a whole lot of that. So Tony what can you tell us 669 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,000 about what Brian Walsh has been doing? 670 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,600 And what he brings to the table? Overall. 671 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,300 Yeah, I mean being I use recruiting coordinator. 672 00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:45,000 So I've got some coaching buddies at have some very very 673 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,800 high level prospects on their team than I used in reaching out 674 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,800 to. And and one of them told me in 675 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,400 particular that nobody has put in more work in the entire 676 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,100 country. On this particular kid than 677 00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,800 Brian Walsh has and that was prior to him actually being able 678 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,400 to go on the road and recruit somebody. 679 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,100 So being that recruiting coordinator. 680 00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:08,600 He was somebody that was first of all finding finding Hua 681 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,300 Prospect is. And, and you know what teams 682 00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:15,500 they play for, in terms of a use school ball, and then, 683 00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:18,700 basically, making connections with all those people, he was 684 00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:21,700 the guy that made like first contact with so many prospects 685 00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:24,400 and he basically brought in Gabe cups. 686 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:29,000 I mean, he was basically Gabe, cuffs like lead, recruiter 687 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,400 almost in terms of this without ever being able to go on the 688 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,300 road and recruit him, which I think speaks volumes, you know, 689 00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:38,200 you got a great guard coming to town now, other guys in the eye. 690 00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:41,000 You staff, certainly were able to help make that happen. 691 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,600 But in terms of Brian Walsh, what he's been doing for the 692 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,100 team the past, especially this past year, because it's his 693 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,900 title changed when he when Watson came aboard. 694 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,600 But I think you're going to be pretty impressed with the work 695 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,500 ethic that he has. Now. 696 00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:01,000 He's going to have to he's young and he doesn't have the 697 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,200 connections that a guy like Kenya or yes, here has yet, but 698 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,300 he's going to work to make those connections and make them as 699 00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:09,300 fast as possible. And Actually, I just mean 700 00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:13,200 high-level AAU coaches, you know, these these guys that 701 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,200 produce these prep factories and kind of the handlers if you will 702 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,700 of some of these kids. So it'll be, I think will be 703 00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:23,800 very impressed with what Brian Walsh brings to the table. 704 00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:26,700 And then, you know, he's a guy that was a division, one player 705 00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:29,700 play in the NCAA tournament, you know, he went to Xavier and then 706 00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:34,100 transfer to Akron and so he's walked the walk, you know, with 707 00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:36,600 some of these guys and he's able to kind of tell them what to 708 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,400 expect as a student athlete. Sleet, he's young. 709 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,600 So he's very relatable. I think he just turned 30 or 31 710 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,900 years old or somewhere in that range. 711 00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:49,600 So super young and energetic and and, you know, he's not somebody 712 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,200 that he's a great recruiter and great at building relationships. 713 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,100 But he's also somebody that played in his learn under a lot 714 00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:59,100 of big-time names to where he's somebody that I think you can 715 00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:02,200 get behind in terms of being on the floor coach to and like I 716 00:39:02,207 --> 00:39:05,100 said, you know, tweaking guys shots getting guy's confidence 717 00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:08,200 things that he's not just a recruiting guy to, you know, he 718 00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:11,800 The game, which is I think very very important, obviously. 719 00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:17,700 That's really exciting. I mean that you look at the pool 720 00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:21,200 of assistance now and you have Mike Woodson, he's just he's a 721 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,900 cool guy. Broad Ripple represent. 722 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,000 And then you have three assistants who are good at 723 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:34,100 recruiting, who can bring, you know, kids and families to the 724 00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:37,500 head coach. And he can make a pitch and 725 00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:39,400 they're going to be really energetic. 726 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,400 It sounds like, and I'm just really excited to hear about 727 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,200 that. Well said, Juicy Fruit looks 728 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,500 from that. Ya know what I mean? 729 00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:50,800 The, I guess I'd be remiss if I didn't also mention that last 730 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,800 week, Kenny Hunter. And you see her Rosemond were 731 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,600 both promoted to associate. Head coach, which obviously 732 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,100 there's a pay bump there. There's a, I guess, kind of a 733 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,700 title bump. And that was important because I 734 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,700 think there was a lot of concern that you see Rosemond would be 735 00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:06,500 and it would go to Louisville with Kenny Payne. 736 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,300 That least keep some stability on the staff. 737 00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:14,300 I know that in the second year, you don't to have multiple 738 00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:16,500 assistance leaving. So you do get some continuity 739 00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:18,600 here, Tony, which I think has got to be a positive. 740 00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:22,100 Huge, you know, extremely huge and, you know, you do. 741 00:40:22,107 --> 00:40:25,400 I look at a guy like a Jacquard Newton who was, you know, we're 742 00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:29,300 yes, here's kind of first big one that he brought to town, you 743 00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:31,900 know, you run the risk of kind of losing that. 744 00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:35,200 That momentum, you were gaining in the 2023 class, which is, you 745 00:40:35,207 --> 00:40:38,300 know, going to be huge. I use got a lot of great inroads 746 00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:42,200 there, you know, and this is what I tweeted this out I think 747 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,300 or I might have texted it to Friends, but Louisville is 748 00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:48,000 willing to pay assistant coaches more. 749 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,200 That's just fact Among Us among other people. 750 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,700 But anyway, sorry go ahead correct, but they're willing to 751 00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:57,600 pay assistant coaches more. Yes years, or I don't know. 752 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,300 Yes here. Yeah coach. 753 00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:01,900 Yeah. He had the opportunity to go 754 00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:05,400 work for his mentor here. You know, Kenny Payne has he's 755 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,000 not been quiet. That is his mentor for probably 756 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,500 more money and he chose to stay put it at you. 757 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,000 And so I, I think that that You know, you, I think you can draw 758 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,100 your own conclusions from that, but I think that speaks volumes 759 00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:23,200 about the buy-in and the belief of what Mike Woodson is building 760 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,000 at Indiana to where, you know, all signs, you know, if you 761 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,500 looked at the Louisville boards, they were all confident that. 762 00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:32,400 Yeah. I was coming with Kenny Payne 763 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,200 and he stayed put and so I think that you know, it's doesn't 764 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,400 exist in a vacuum and there's more factors certainly but I 765 00:41:41,408 --> 00:41:44,600 think it speaks volumes of that. He stayed put and Truly believes 766 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,000 in buys into what Indians doing right now. 767 00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:49,800 Well, we'll see what happens with everything. 768 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,000 Any final thoughts. As we wrap up here, guys, 769 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,600 anything that you're most interested to see here other 770 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,500 than the obvious of, you know, is somebody else going to 771 00:41:59,508 --> 00:42:02,600 transfer, or will there be multiples or anything else you'd 772 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,700 like to mention? I've got one. 773 00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:09,800 Yeah, go ahead looks, yeah. I'm excited to hear how excited 774 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,700 folks are about Miller cop because I was looking at, that 775 00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:16,400 was the thing, like, when he came in, you're just what he 776 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,900 did. Last year at Northwestern, he 777 00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:21,500 wasn't as effective from three. It was a lot more effective from 778 00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:24,500 to, and you kind of look at those two, those seasons in 779 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:28,900 Northwestern, the last two that he had their, he had a really 780 00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:31,100 good one from three, but he did a lot better from Two and a 781 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:34,800 third going to kind of it seemed like they designed more at My, I 782 00:42:34,808 --> 00:42:37,600 like that for Parker Stewart this year than from other cop. 783 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,600 So if he's going to be kind of put an executive positions that 784 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,200 he's comfortable. It seems like it Northwestern. 785 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,700 He had pretty good usage. They, they needed to go to him 786 00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:52,100 and he was able to deliver both outside and inside the ark at a 787 00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,800 pretty high level. And so I'm excited to see if 788 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,200 that plays out because I think, really, productive Miller cop 789 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,600 makes this team a lot more dangerous, I agree. 790 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,300 And I went and actually watch every three point attempt from 791 00:43:06,308 --> 00:43:12,000 Miller cop, the past two seasons on Synergy what our prior to his 792 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,700 eye, you tenure. So his last two seasons at 793 00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:17,300 Northwestern and what I found interesting was that almost all 794 00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:19,300 of his stuff didn't come out of sets. 795 00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:21,200 It came out of spite of opportunities out of the ball 796 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,100 screens. And so I think it's going to be 797 00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:29,000 important for Mike rutzen to design his ball screen actions 798 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,600 to basically have Miller cop being the guy that replaces the 799 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,100 screener. That's That's the guy that they 800 00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:38,700 always use his help in ball screens is the guy kind of in 801 00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:41,200 that short Corner that ball side, corner. 802 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,200 If you can have Miller, copy that guy and he's the guy 803 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:48,200 listing to replace the screener and then the point guard can hit 804 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,400 him. That's how Miller cop got. 805 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,100 The majority of his looks at Northwestern. 806 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:54,900 And so that'll be interesting to me is it's not necessarily about 807 00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:57,500 running like pin down screens and things like that for Miller 808 00:43:57,500 --> 00:44:00,700 cop and running sets for him. It's using him within the flow 809 00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:04,100 of the offense, but putting him in the right spots within those. 810 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,100 Those flows and not just burying him in a opposite corner, which 811 00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:09,100 is where he's to spend a lot of his time this season. 812 00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:13,000 I think that will be important. Good stuff. 813 00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:15,900 Well, guys, this was a wonderful reunions. 814 00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:17,600 I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to doing it 815 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,900 again at some point here. Seven years in the making. 816 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:20,900 Yeah. That's right, you know, 817 00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:23,700 everybody was waiting on it. We've this is this is the 818 00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:28,000 Godfather part 3 of podcasts but much better. 819 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,200 I think in a lot of different ways. 820 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,100 So anyway my thanks to Father James P. 821 00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:35,100 For joining us. Once again. 822 00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:39,300 My thanks to Tony and Rania and my thanks to all you folks out 823 00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:44,000 there for listening and we'll be back with more podcasting here 824 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,600 on Crimson cast over the course of the next couple of weeks and 825 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,000 months, and everything beyond that. 826 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,200 As we get ourselves further on into this offseason and get 827 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:57,400 ourselves, all excited for 20 22, 23 for Tony, and for James, 828 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,000 I'm Galen. Thanks for joining us on Crimson 829 00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,600 Castle. Catch you. 830 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:00,800 Folks on the flip side. So everybody