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Welcome back to Crimson, Cask 
ale, and klaviyo here. 

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Got a packed show for you today 
as we prepare to watch. 

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I you football try to go to four
and oh, on the season, as 

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they're going to be taking on 
the Michigan State Spartans. 

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This Saturday at noon. 
And this is a big game, folks. 

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I'm going to talk about this 
later on in the podcast, with 

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our guests, but this is not a 
game. 

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You should be taking lightly if 
you are an IU football fan. 

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And I think that a lot of fans 
are taking it. 

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Lightly understandably. 
So Indiana's played really well,

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they're ranked 10th there 3 and 
0 on the campaign and those are 

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all a excellent things 
particularly coming off a win 

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against Michigan. 
It's easy to not just be 

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celebratory about that but also 
look beyond the 1 and 2 opponent

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that you have coming up in the 
next game and look ahead to a 

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potential undefeated matchup 
with Ohio State the next 

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weekend, but I would advise that
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Michigan state is as much of a 
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As any of the other teams in the
conference are, in fact, in some

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ways more, so like, we We can 
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Wisconsin. 
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about, you know, playing Penn 
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Michigan state has really been a
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course of the really the entire 
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They've been in the conference 
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and Indiana's, only beaten them 
16 times total. 

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And actually of the 16 times 
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Michigan State, even join the 
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So it has been a world of hurt 
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Michigan State. 
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pump the brakes on looking 
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And really think about this 
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It's going to be, I think a 
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giving it credit for Michigan 
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Certainly is not didn't look 
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They didn't look good against 
Iowa. 

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They did look pretty good 
against Michigan, and that's the

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same Michigan team that Indiana 
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So, we've got some great guests 
coming up for you on the 

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podcast. 
We're going to start off with 

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Caleb, Kaufman sports editor, at
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And one of the folks that 
covered this IU, Team last year.

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So he's got some great insights 
to bring us about what things 

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are like covering an IU football
team that's off to such a great 

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start and is ranked in the polls
so we'll start off with him and 

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then we've got one of our 
favorites from the Indianapolis 

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Market. 
Olivia, Ray IU Alum. 

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Someone that covered IU. 
Football work for the IU 

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football team for a little 
while. 

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She was in college, and now 
covers them again for WISH-TV 

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will get her perspective on 
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And, and what it looks like from
at least, two recent historical 

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perspective. 
And then we got Mike Miller back

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on the show from Crimson Corey. 
He'll be joining us a little bit

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later on as well. 
All right, our first guest on 

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Crimson cast the Friday edition 
here this we get Caleb Kaufman 

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sports editor at the IDS and I 
don't know. 

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We had you on the show before 
Caleb. 

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I feel like maybe once or was 
this the first time first time. 

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I'm all right, I love it. 
Well, welcome, good to have you.

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On officially, I guess. 
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standpoint of, you know, being a
in student media covering this 

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IU football team. 
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has been on the brink of 
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exciting for a few years. 
Now last year was a little bit 

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of a breakthrough. 
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mean, it's, like, none of that 
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It's like, you know, this is a 
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getting top 10 votes and so 
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What what's this experience? 
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know, this team? 
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an editorial perspective in the 
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It's completely different from 
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excited last year with just, 
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against Penn State, and they 
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Michigan. 
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you get to write about Michael 
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And just the thumping of a 
Michigan team that probably is 

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better than they've shown so far
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So it's just like you get that 
excitement no longer that. 

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Oh, so close articles. 
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do they can't finally break 
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The proof is there. 
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I you the recognition. 
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give and ready to give after the
Gator Bowl until the last three 

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minutes. 
This team seems to have a level 

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of confidence that we've just 
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team in decades. 
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would say. 
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poked through it at certain 
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Obviously, you know, the win at 
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that and the way that they 
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Western the following week, and 
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winning the Purdue game at the 
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against Tennessee, the kind of 
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saw that against Michigan last 
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This year's team just seems to 
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about them. 
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when you're talking about IU 
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confidence that you normally 
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Iowa or a team like that 
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they really look like they're 
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and supposed to come away with 
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Yeah. 
It's been like, instead of just 

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going into big games. 
Thinking, hey, we can compete 

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and maybe keep it close and if 
the Right Things Fall will get a

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win this year. 
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were saying, we are the better 
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We actually should be winning 
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State and Michigan. 
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Who's looking good? 
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and really worried about having 
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I you deal with the defense and 
deal with them like appendix and

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a thing. 
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now. 
Are they a top 10 team in your 

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opinion? 
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10. 
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Michigan and a Penn State, like 
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Propel. 
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next week against Ohio State, if
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yeah, their top 10 team, because
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best team in the Big Ten, in my 
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What I said, they're hovering 
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Ish, their clothes on our 
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Well, it's interesting because I
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have tried to move the goalposts
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And because they come out, they 
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projected to be right there 
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they beat Michigan last week. 
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team that was ranked in the top 
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the season. 
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teams are no good, which I like,
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struggled. 
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look awful against Ohio State 
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do seem to have just lost their 
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still a very Talented, team 
Michigan's, obviously a very 

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talented team. 
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better than them but it is 
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Watching people essentially 
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I use record by suddenly trying 
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stalwarts in college football 
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I can see where you're saying 
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probably pushing them, like, 
this can actually be a legit 

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thing I even in the top 10. 
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students to cup want to cover 
sports or follow Sports came to 

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IU. 
It's for the best watching, this

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can't be real. 
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from with that. 
It is a really weird reversal of

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Fortune and it's one of those 
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this a lot. 
There was a great Sport Center 

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segment, that Sage Steele 
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they were Kirk Herbstreit had 
asked you know, what was the 

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last time I you had back-to-back
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and 1994. 
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there and nobody paid attention 
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basketball and it like, There's 
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on yet people and even when 
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a season that I think people are
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about, but it's not like 
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watching the basketball team. 
Get back on the feet on the 

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floor. 
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Yeah, I think so. 
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gosh, Rutgers is ranked ahead of
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not in the top 25. 
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lot of question marks obviously 
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So this is one of those weird. 
Bots and IU history, 

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athletically where there is no 
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like, footballs kind of got the 
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And it's, it's a weird sort of 
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unusual in the history of iuf 
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Yeah, it's just people, honestly
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Like, when you ask like, the 
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it's different that we're not 
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like, experience this in person 
per se, but just no one knows 

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how to react to. 
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I you football team? 
Like how excited are you 

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supposed to be? 
Are we supposed to go full SEC 

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style, all in? 
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still? 
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middle ground. 
We're not used to this, right? 

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be in because you're not jaded 
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there like there's still such a 
newness about it that they're 

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your you know it's you almost 
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yourself. 
Like you said there was an 

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interesting article in the act 
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which detailed the two 
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That Tom Allen has got obviously
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got Nick Sheridan on offense. 
The youngest coordinator tandem 

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in college football, there were 
a lot of questions about Kane 

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Womack taking over as defensive 
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Last year, there were a lot of 
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Sheridan taking over his 
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Very sympathetic and I think 
positive peace in the athletic. 

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Both and it was a really 
interesting profile on young 

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coaches and their rise to 
success from your perspective, 

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having watched this program for 
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How do you think things are 
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And are you surprised with the 
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so far with those two 
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I'll start with Kane since I 
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about him. 
Its overall having covered him 

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Oh I'm not surprised by his rise
to a defensive coordinator 

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position like his dad. 
Dave Wommack was a big-time 

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offensive coordinator at Ole 
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for a while and both Tom Allen 
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But just how he's been able to 
adapt with. 

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I use skill level, like it is a 
jump going from an SEC school 

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then he was um on blank. 
It was Missouri. 

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Stay, I think, that's right. 
Yeah, I believe he was at 

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before, but then just trying to 
build a defense at IU to compete

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State, and all those, it was 
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But yes, gone up, sorry. 
Um, but But just he's done a 

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great job putting together a 
team and having that fit of what

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Tom Allen likes to find and his 
recruits with as he says, I look

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for quarterbacks taken place 
safety and fast linebackers that

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can play the outside and really 
adopting it and making it a true

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power in the Big Ten. 
So, his rise, isn't that 

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surprising to me his success the
series season little bit is I'll

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admit that Penn State game. 
I was tweeting a storm saying up

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another Kane Womack defense. 
That can't get To stop when it's

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needed and then Sheridan. 
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but I'm a little loud and how 
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different different play caller 
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offense just slid into it and 
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sorry, he's just been a true 
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with pain X uses main recruiting
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young to for. 
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that I use defense have played 
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deficit against almost everybody
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the secondary. 
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four and five star players, you 
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a Michigan. 
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the way that both teams played. 
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that mattered, there was Indiana
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victory out of that. 
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Yeah and then he's done it. 
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right now. 
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bringing and yeah, like Tyler 
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player on defense is a corner 
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that and just being able to 
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IU. 
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Michael McFadden, who It like 
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start the season at linebacker 
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predicted, right. 
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Mike McFadden Phil hold against 
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one of the better linebackers in
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one of the things about 
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time they get on campus and so 
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bring in people with potential 
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potential. 
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exhibit at the first couple of 
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a good point there, I think, 
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which was a big question mark, I
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much of a question mark once you
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throughout them. 
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whatever Rutgers throughout 
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like, you might like to see, but
they're eating up time and space

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enough for someone like Mullen 
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sex. 
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approach that, you know, I think
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staff because it's essentially 
using what they had got to the 

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best of their advantages. 
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Kings talking about a little bit
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to disguise things and he's like
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in certain position players. 
He's like you can slip Taiwan 

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behind a defensive lineman, they
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first second half at 
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then it's over. 
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I use trying to fill these gaps 
and then you mentioned defensive

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line, Michael's young but I 
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for two, two for your interest 
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to me in class that Year. 
So I'm 53 sitting next to like a

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six foot five, 200 pounds 
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remember that year. 
Like he barely saw the feel up, 

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and I'll be excited when I saw 
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starting defensive end for the 
most part are at least a quick 

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rotation player who's gone work.
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build each year like they still 
come out and gets them in, you 

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get more playing time and then 
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good defensive and even 
offensive skill players that had

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a grill. 
Are you playing Michigan State, 

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obviously? 
This weekend, and this is a 

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weird game because on the one 
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looked great. 
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Michigan, but they looked really
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On the other hand, this is not a
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and it's not like Michigan 
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talent, you know? 
This is one of those games that 

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you could look at it as kind of 
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It's certainly a game where if 
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They're going to struggle, you 
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What are you looking for in this
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What do you think the keys are 
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trying to go up and score a very
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I wanna see how you actually run
the ball with success. 

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I feel like against some Penn 
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Those are big athletic defense 
has that give ayuda trouble up 

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front. 
But at some point, they have to 

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be able to run the ball with 
some consistency. 

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Honestly Sampson James, has to 
look like the better back to me 

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so far this season, like his 
Speed and Agility actually 

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showing through and after his 
little possible transfer out and

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coming back. 
He's looking good. 

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Um but like Rushing for 
40-something yards on like 15 

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carries from. 
Stevie Scott, this isn't going 

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to cut it. 
When you need to be able to 

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control possession and work your
way down the field. 

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Like everyone knows I you can 
throw the ball and spread it out

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to a wasp or a tie for I Fogle 
but you have to be able to run 

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north-south sometimes and this 
is the week I think they have to

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be able to show it. 
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rushing numbers against 
Michigan, kind of covered up, 

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how difficult the rushing 
attack, had it for most of the 

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game. 
Stevie Scott was able to rack up

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some yards late. 
And it's weird to think of IU 

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using like running a tradition 
to be stronger than the 

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opposition at the end of the 
game, but that's essentially 

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what happened against Michigan. 
I agree with you, though. 

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I think that establishing the 
run a bit more against Michigan.

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State would be nice to see 
because they weren't really even

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able to do that necessarily 
against Rutgers that much. 

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But that said, this passing 
attack is so interesting and 

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there, it's so multifaceted and 
there are so many weapons and Mi

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Marshall back in the mix. 
You know, Peyton Hendershot has 

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had some drop issues but he's 
also caught some nice balls. 

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Obviously you've got tie fry 
Fogle who's been kind of a 

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revelation this year. 
I think there was always 

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potential there, but watching 
him emerge, as maybe panics is 

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second favorite target has been 
really interesting to see. 

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And then, of course you've got 
wop failure out there, doing 

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what? 
Fill your things. 

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Yeah, just, I've been struck by 
Assurance. 

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Don't like old-school almost 
with like, Trip of three bunches

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in the near sideline of late. 
It from most other places seems 

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like he's running that triple 
set and it works perfectly with 

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how I used to set up. 
You can put La Paz, a screen 

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Typhon cutting over the middle 
and then you have the third 

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receiver is that week usually 
miles Marshall. 

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When he's healthy can be going 
over the top and it just really 

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puts a lot of pressure and like 
open it kind of can replace the 

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Run game in a different way. 
It's kind of how you end up 

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playing at the end of last year.
Where Screens. 

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Tom Allen would call them 
secondary runs but um, It's just

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a fun team to watch, especially 
with past games, the pass game. 

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Like, people don't always love 
watching a running back, 04 

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yards, each play. 
But when I use throwing screens 

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again, athletic players and 
Spacek spices it up a little 

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bit. 
Well, it's interesting because 

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it feels like this offense last 
year and this year is what the 

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Kevin Wilson offense was like 
always promising but never quite

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delivered those offenses they 
had some fun plays, they could 

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score points in bunches at times
but they're also always felt 

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like they Or one misread from 
disaster and and that tended to 

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rear its head in games at the 
most inopportune times. 

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You know, I think maybe the most
and I've obviously just putting 

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a tremendous Jinx on the team 
right now, but one of the most 

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impressive things so far has 
been how little this team has 

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turned the ball over, you know 
how little they have shot 

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themselves in the foot, in terms
of penalties, it's it's really 

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been interesting to watch them, 
develop a, kind of a 

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high-efficiency approach to 
things. 

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Things simply by maintaining 
possession and not doing things 

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that are going to take away from
their eventual success. 

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Yeah, I think that's a big part 
with experience, especially on 

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the offensive line. 
Bedford's, the youngest one, as 

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a sophomore, but he played a lot
after Harry Crider. 

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Got injured, not Harry Potter 
quite drunk. 

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I'm sorry. 
Got injured last year. 

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Um so like they know to like you
see it, what experience they can

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stay set, they don't have those 
mind-numbing false, start 

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penalties that drive, everyone 
crazy and ruin drive and then 

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just penix has been For the ball
last year at time T1, just take 

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the Deep shot because he had of 
ridiculous arm that can thrilled

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like 70 yards. 
Like it's nothing but this year,

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he's taking the underneath route
and just actually finding open 

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receivers which is what I need 
is that it's a team that has to 

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be low turnover. 
And then strong defense, I think

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to have success overall, 
especially against top-tier 

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competition which like a Ohio 
state, Wisconsin and hopefully 

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good bowl game. 
Should should be an interesting 

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time here. 
This week is IU plays Michigan 

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State noon, kick a lot of 
national television for this IU 

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team. 
It's it's like becoming a normal

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thing now and the stove set that
unto weeks, Ohio State's a new 

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kick. 
I know, fox has first rights but

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I thought this was the time. 
They got a full true prime time.

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I'll tell, you know what? 
I'll take whatever they can get 

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at this point. 
I'm not gonna turn my nose up at

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National Fox television. 
That's that's fine with me. 

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Anyway, Caleb Kaufman, you can 
Read his stuff in the Indiana 

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Daily student. 
You can read the stuff he edits 

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there as well. 
And we'll be talking to Caleb 

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later on, in the season or this 
the year, I guess is he'll be 

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covering basketball for the 
ideas as well. 

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Thanks for joining me, man. 
Thank you. 

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Alright, our next guests on 
Crimson cast today is I think 

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another first-time guest on 
Crimson Castile. 

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We might have had her on once a 
long time ago, but Olivia Ray, 

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from WISH-TV joining us. 
Welcome. 

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Good to see you again. 
Thank you. 

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You. 
I feel like maybe Can I was I 

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student, I may have popped on 
here but that's the last time. 

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Yeah. 
So you mentioned IU student. 

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You were a student at IU, you're
an Alum of the program and you 

450
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,900
did a lot of work with IU 
football, while you were here as

451
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:43,900
a student, you reported on them.
You also, you know, did video 

452
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:46,600
work for them and so forth. 
So I'm interested in your 

453
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,200
perspective. 
Looking at this, I you football 

454
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,500
team and thinking back, Back to 
like your impressions of IU 

455
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:58,400
football, what is this season 
been? 

456
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,300
Like, for you watching them and 
seeing them have the level of 

457
00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:07,100
success that they've had so far?
It reminds me a lot of 2015 

458
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,400
besides we're taking the what 
ifs out of the equation, right? 

459
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,500
I mean we could be back in 
another for now. 

460
00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:19,000
Start like we were back then and
the 2016 success and like I 

461
00:24:19,008 --> 00:24:20,800
mentioned, I was a manager on 
the team. 

462
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,100
So I went to both those bowl 
games from is just everything 

463
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:28,100
has been so close for so long 
but I think a lot of my hopes 

464
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:33,200
have been let down so many times
that it's hard to. 

465
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:37,900
We invest right now, all of, 
all, of my optimism in this 

466
00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:41,100
team, but I'm getting there. 
I'm getting there, especially 

467
00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:43,400
after that. 
Michigan, when I mean, they were

468
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,700
the better football team, it was
clear and there was no, let down

469
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:51,800
at Rutgers like I expected, you 
know, they did. 

470
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,300
I you the Penn State game like 
they tend to do and try to hand 

471
00:24:55,300 --> 00:25:00,300
it to them, but for once the 
chips are falling in the 

472
00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:03,400
Hoosiers Direction. 
So it reminds me a lot of the 

473
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,500
ISM that I think the team felt 
the energy that the team felt. 

474
00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:10,800
I you fans felt around this 
team, the difference in. 

475
00:25:10,808 --> 00:25:14,100
Nobody can be there right now. 
So you're just seeing everyone's

476
00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:18,000
support them from afar and I 
almost like it better because 

477
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:21,100
everyone's rallying around the 
team knowing that they can't be 

478
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:24,400
out in the tailgating Fields, 
you know, enjoying themselves. 

479
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,700
So I feel like more people are 
actually invested in the play on

480
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:30,800
the field. 
Yeah, I think it's a really good

481
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,900
point because as you mentioned 
like a lot of The football game 

482
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:38,200
has been kind of a sideshow, or 
just something going on in the 

483
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,500
background, for a lot of the 
people in the stands, maybe not 

484
00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:44,900
the hardcore alums that go to 
every game but certainly for 

485
00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:49,400
students, and it does feel like,
because everybody's had to watch

486
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,800
on television, you know, because
and it's, and it's been a fun 

487
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,500
team to watch so far. 
You are getting a little bit 

488
00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:58,900
more buy-in, and I think a bit 
more focus on how many awesome 

489
00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:01,800
pieces are on this team. 
And the job, the Tom Allen's 

490
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,500
doing overall in terms of not 
just galvanizing the team, but 

491
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:10,200
also galvanizing the fan base. 
Yes, and I love the media tour 

492
00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:11,800
that Tom Allen is doing right 
now. 

493
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,800
I think it's great for the 
program, especially giving on 

494
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,400
programs like Pat McAfee and, 
you know, the younger 

495
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,700
generation. 
I guess platforms that people 

496
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:26,500
are consuming right now. 
I mean, people people love 

497
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:30,300
McAfee and he really loves Tom 
Allen right now, so you get the 

498
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:33,100
thumbs up for back of the you're
gonna have the whole state 

499
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:35,500
behind you. 
I feel like that's I was team is

500
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:36,600
right now. 
What is it? 

501
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,200
The Tom Allen's doing that is 
different that that's working 

502
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,300
with this. 
I you football program, I mean 

503
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:48,100
you know like the it's not there
because the talent levels aren't

504
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:50,200
that different. 
Certainly there's been better 

505
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,900
recruiting in incremental terms 
from what it was during the 

506
00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:57,100
Kevin Wilson era. 
But there's like a special sauce

507
00:26:57,100 --> 00:26:59,300
that seems to be at work. 
With Tom Allen. 

508
00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:02,600
That wasn't quite at work during
the Kevin Wilson Arrow. 

509
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:03,700
What is that? 
Exactly? 

510
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,000
Lee. 
Right? 

511
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,500
Well, I mentioned I worked under
both coaches. 

512
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:14,000
So I mean, they are two 
completely different men and I, 

513
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,700
and I love and respect them 
both. 

514
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:20,700
Kevin Wilson was very old-school
and hard-nosed all around 

515
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:22,800
football guy. 
Tom, Allen is a football guy 

516
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,400
that tackles his own players 
because he's so excited and 

517
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,000
knocks his teeth out and gets 
black eyes from taking helmets 

518
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,700
to the face and celebrations, 
and he has been the love each. 

519
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,700
They're the Elio Macho King 
brought that in when back when 

520
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:38,700
he started as defensive 
coordinator. 

521
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:43,300
So I mean, it's not fake, it's 
real for him and he really is, 

522
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:46,900
that guy, I mean, I worked under
him for a year and still to this

523
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:50,400
day, whenever I see him, he 
greets me with a hug and before 

524
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,800
we say our goodbyes, he follows 
up with a nelio. 

525
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,600
I mean, he, he lives that Mantra
so it's not fake. 

526
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,000
And the guys have bought into 
it. 

527
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,900
I think when he first came on 
board, and everyone kept saying 

528
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:06,800
Elio, it Was kind of, you know, 
no one really was feeling it 

529
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,800
quite yet. 
Now, they realize that this guy 

530
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,200
is the real deal and and he 
wants to be, here's the 

531
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,700
difference. 
This isn't a stepping stone and 

532
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:20,900
he doesn't want to go anywhere 
else and it's just so night and 

533
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:23,500
day different. 
The practices the him running 

534
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:27,000
around with a megaphone versus, 
you know, Kevin Wilson had like 

535
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,900
a clipboard and walked around, 
it's just everything is 

536
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:33,300
different and both of their 
coaching Styles worked by, 

537
00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:36,100
right? 
Tom Allen is ringing a little 

538
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:41,700
bit better in the Hoosier State.
Yeah, it feels like it almost it

539
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:43,800
seems weird to think about 
because I was certainly one of 

540
00:28:43,808 --> 00:28:46,900
those people was kind of 
skeptical of the sloganeering 

541
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:51,900
and all of that. 
But for a program like IU that 

542
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:57,900
is entirely unsuccessful 
historically in college 

543
00:28:57,900 --> 00:28:59,700
football. 
I mean, as it's good been 

544
00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:03,200
pointed out, several times 
losing his program and in FBS 

545
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,500
history Three and losing his 
program in Big Ten history. 

546
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:09,400
And, you know, it almost feels 
like it needed. 

547
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,500
Some kind of different approach 
in order to really Galvanize 

548
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:16,300
things that you still need a 
coach that is good at the 

549
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:18,400
football things. 
And I think some that it's 

550
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,600
interesting because you know 
what, what gets focused on 

551
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,500
obviously. 
As you know, Tom Allen crowd, 

552
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:27,100
surfing in the locker room or, 
you know, jumping on his DB and 

553
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:31,600
getting a bloody face and, and 
the, you know, the Elio slogan. 

554
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,500
But that is almost like The 
superstructure that's covering 

555
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:37,600
up. 
What is a really well-coached 

556
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,700
football? 
Team like a team that is not 

557
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:41,500
committing turnovers not 
committing. 

558
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:45,600
A lot of penalties executing 
plays on the field and and it's 

559
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,300
like there's been this stair 
stepping last year was certainly

560
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,200
a positive step forward. 
In terms of, being able to 

561
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,100
finish some games and do some 
good things out there and this 

562
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:56,100
year, they've taken it to 
another level. 

563
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,500
Yeah, when you praying 
disciplined football, it's 

564
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:02,200
because your whole team has 
rallied around each other. 

565
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,700
They care about each other, you 
know, they're like you said, 

566
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:08,300
they're not making stupid 
mistakes as in penalties and 

567
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,800
just the normal things that you 
football normally does. 

568
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,800
It's because they all, I think 
they truly all care about each 

569
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,600
other. 
And it's, and it's showing and I

570
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,300
know that sounds cliche, but 
it's he's proving it. 

571
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,200
And like you said, he's a good 
football coach. 

572
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,400
Everyone keeps forgetting, he 
came in and turned. 

573
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:30,700
To this Indiana defense on its 
head in one year and I think he 

574
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:33,600
took a step back in his first 
couple years as head coach. 

575
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,300
Because he even admitted it was 
such a different ballgame for 

576
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:39,700
him being a head coach. 
You know, he was having the 

577
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:43,000
handle so many more 
responsibilities and I think 

578
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,200
this quarantine maybe helped him
dive back into the defensive 

579
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,400
playbook and kind of, you know, 
dial things up the way he did. 

580
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,000
Because he seems a lot more 
involved on defense this year 

581
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,400
than he was last year. 
And it's showing because they've

582
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,000
been playing really well. 
As far as the players on the 

583
00:31:02,008 --> 00:31:05,000
field, obviously Michael penix. 
Getting a lot of attention. 

584
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,900
He certainly I think proving to 
people why he was the choice for

585
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:12,100
starting quarterback this year. 
Despite the fact that you had 

586
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:16,000
Peyton Ramsey, who had been a 
starter for a few years coming 

587
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,100
back. 
Theoretically, and obviously 

588
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:21,700
paying Ramses played very well 
at Northwestern so far through 

589
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:25,000
this first part of the season. 
But but penix, if there were any

590
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,800
lingering questions about 
whether he could be a full-time 

591
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,100
starting quarterback. 
He's really answered those so 

592
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:31,800
far. 
In these first three games. 

593
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,300
Yeah, I mean, you know, not a 
lot of mistakes right now from 

594
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:40,600
Pain aches. 
And I was skeptical because when

595
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,300
has Indiana football been in a 
position to have two great 

596
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,700
quarterback options, I mean, 
like an actual quarterback 

597
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:52,100
battle, not not, we're settling 
with everyone else's backups for

598
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:54,600
a starting quarterback. 
There were two starting 

599
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,100
quarterbacks, an idiom is roster
so you can make, you can make an

600
00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:00,400
argument that two of the three 
best quarterbacks. 

601
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,400
In the whole Big Ten. 
Were in Indiana's locker room 

602
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,500
last year which is just nuts. 
Yeah, insane. 

603
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,200
Yeah, but loved what Peyton 
Ramsey. 

604
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,700
Did I loved his loyalty to the 
program but obviously he needed 

605
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:15,500
to move on and because he is a 
starting quarterback and he's 

606
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:19,000
proving that Michael penix. 
I was skeptical the first two 

607
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,000
weeks because he throws the 
ball. 90 miles an hour and I 

608
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000
cannot wrap my head around it. 
Sometimes I think I tweeted 

609
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,100
during the Rutgers game, like, 
does Michael penix have a 

610
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:34,300
changeup because Sometimes I'm 
like, I mean because his slight 

611
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,800
mrs. 
Look like horrible mrs. 

612
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,900
Because he throws the ball so 
hard and so fast, but man, it 

613
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:46,400
was clicking against Michigan 
and and he's, he's proving that,

614
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,800
obviously, the arm strength and 
his own line really respects 

615
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,400
him, that, that was proven 
against Michigan to, I mean, 

616
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:55,300
they didn't let anyone touch 
him. 

617
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,000
And that's how India is going to
win games is if he has time 

618
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,300
because like I said, it Slight 
mrs. 

619
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:03,800
Look like bad mrs. 
But they're actually just slight

620
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,700
mrs. 
Normally, so, one of the things 

621
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:10,100
recruiting, why's that IU 
football has certainly been 

622
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:13,600
become known for, is that 
pipeline out of Florida, but 

623
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:16,800
they've got several players from
the state of Indiana on this 

624
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,600
roster that are making a big 
difference. 

625
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,300
Obviously, retailers one that 
people talked about quite a bit 

626
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:25,200
out of the Indianapolis area. 
That's that's become a Mainstay 

627
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,600
on defense. 
You know, the idea that IU 

628
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,100
football might resonate in The 
state of Indiana with high 

629
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:34,700
school football players is just 
kind of a weird one to think 

630
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:40,400
about but they do seem to be 
getting players that are looking

631
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,900
to IU as a place to go. 
Whether it's retailer Sampson. 

632
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:46,800
James someone else. 
I mean what what is that been 

633
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:50,100
like like covering High School 
football and what's the buzz 

634
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:51,900
like around IU football right 
now. 

635
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,700
Well, obviously, I don't get to 
see it as much this season, but 

636
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:59,400
last season was my first season 
in Indianapolis covering High 

637
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,600
School football. 
And I am, I believe it was 

638
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,500
before the Hoosier season had 
started and Tom, Allen and young

639
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:12,400
Tom Allen, his son were taking 
the chopper out and stopping at 

640
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,500
different high school games. 
And ironically, he was at all 

641
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:17,300
three games that I was at that 
night. 

642
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:21,100
Of course, he got there much 
faster than I did, but people 

643
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:25,300
were like swarming. 
Him and taking photos with him. 

644
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,800
And I mean, he was the celebrity
in the state of Indiana. 

645
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,500
And I, again, I really respect 
Kevin Wilson, but I think he 

646
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:36,400
could have showed up to some 
Indiana, Indianapolis High 

647
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,400
School, football games, and some
people wouldn't have even 

648
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,600
recognized his face. 
You know, and granite. 

649
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,000
That's because Tom Allen coached
High School football here in 

650
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,199
Indiana and won a State title, 
you know, with Ben Davis, one of

651
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:52,500
the big dogs here in Indy but I 
mean, also, you're talking A 

652
00:34:52,507 --> 00:34:54,100
about kids that are committing 
die. 

653
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:58,500
You I've watched you chirayu 
quarterback Donovan McCauley and

654
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:01,700
we're talking about possibly 
another significant quarterback 

655
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,300
battle. 
I know Michael Pinnock still 

656
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:06,900
have it for a minute but Donovan
McCauley is a baller. 

657
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:12,800
I mean High School level he is 
he's crazy crazy good so I'm 

658
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,100
excited to see him. 
I know he's a four-star and 

659
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:18,100
everyone, no one wants to get 
super excited about four stars 

660
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:22,800
just yet but I love seeing local
kids making him Act on the 

661
00:35:22,808 --> 00:35:25,900
program. 
And it looks like coach Alan is 

662
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:28,900
buying into those guys to and 
Macaulay is going to be one of 

663
00:35:28,908 --> 00:35:30,800
them for sure. 
It's a lot of good football 

664
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,100
Talent, the state of Indiana 
particular are Indianapolis. 

665
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:36,300
Just most of them historically. 
If they're that good, go to Ohio

666
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:39,100
State or Michigan or Notre, 
Dame, right? 

667
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:41,800
It is an interesting change to 
watch Indiana in the mix for 

668
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,600
some of those players is someone
who's not seeing that happen, 

669
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,000
historically throughout his life
as a fan. 

670
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,800
Well, I guess final question for
you, then you'll, what are you 

671
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,900
expecting out of the rest of the
Before I you, there's obviously 

672
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:57,200
a trap game coming up against 
Michigan State. 

673
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,600
I'm actually very concerned that
people aren't paying more 

674
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,500
attention to this Michigan State
game. 

675
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:07,300
A little statistic that I pulled
out on our previous guest that 

676
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:10,000
he didn't realize. 
After the fact, I use only one 

677
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,700
in East Lansing twice since 
1970. 

678
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,900
It is it, there's only 16 games 
that Indiana is one in this 

679
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:20,000
series. 
Historically, this is not a team

680
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,800
that Indiana historically beats 
very often, they Eating them 

681
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,100
once in the last 13 years. 
And I think you might have been 

682
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:29,000
at that game. 
And that was, that was a, that 

683
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:35,100
was a last minute, like took a 
trick play by Richard Lego in 

684
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:38,000
regulation, and then, you know, 
it was like, it wasn't an easy 

685
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,700
win. 
It's never an easy win versus 

686
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:43,100
Michigan State. 
So, I guess first and foremost, 

687
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:46,300
like, you know, I use got to 
play well in that game. 

688
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:49,200
They've got to come out and 
assert themselves as a team. 

689
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,600
That's a touchdown favorite. 
And that's something that we're 

690
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,600
just not used to seeing Being 
out of this IU team. 

691
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:58,900
Yeah, and I won't be surprised 
if Michigan State switches. 

692
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:02,100
Things up this week. 
I haven't been paying super 

693
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:04,900
close attention to them. 
I watched them against Michigan,

694
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:09,800
but their quarterback would 
banged up against Iowa and I 

695
00:37:09,808 --> 00:37:12,400
think they left him in the game 
because he was a HomeTown 

696
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,700
favorite. 
I would not be surprised. 

697
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,700
If they switch things up this 
week because they don't want to 

698
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:21,600
hurt this guy in the long run in
a season, that is clearly not 

699
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,200
going to go Mitch. 
It states way in hell, you know,

700
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:30,700
as this thing plays out so I 
think Indiana should get ready 

701
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:34,700
for a wild card and I mean 
Michigan State's beat them what 

702
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:39,100
10 of the last 11 years or 12 
years, something like that. 

703
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:43,200
I was at that game and they want
it to Griffin Oaks OT field goal

704
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,300
and the students stormed the 
field. 

705
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,100
But game and Indiana, that's a 
big of a deal. 

706
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:52,900
It was. 
And of course MSU Add the rest 

707
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:55,500
of the season. 
So it turned out to not be as 

708
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:59,000
impressive of a win, but yeah, 
it's never easy. 

709
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,800
And in that game, IU IU was the 
better football. 

710
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,200
Team that year is back in 2016, 
I believe and they were a better

711
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,100
football team but they Indiana. 
And in the final final quarter 

712
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:14,700
like they always do and and 
ended up coughing up a lead and 

713
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:19,200
everything. 
So it's yeah, this is a trap 

714
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,600
game. 
I thought red Cruz was a trap 

715
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,900
game and Indiana came. 
I'm out and one that one. 

716
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:28,300
Now, this is an actual Trap game
because they've won had three, 

717
00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:31,300
great wins in a row and 
everyone's thinking about going 

718
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:36,600
into the Ohio State game for now
again, and And actually making a

719
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,800
real statement now rights to Big
Dog. 

720
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,600
So yeah, we can't, we can't 
sputter against Michigan State, 

721
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,500
that's for sure. 
That'll be interesting. 

722
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:47,600
I think his team out has 
obviously demonstrated, they've 

723
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:53,000
got the talent to do anything on
the schedule this year and now 

724
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,600
it's a matter of resolve and 
mentality and keeping emotions 

725
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,700
in check and going out and 
winning a game that you're 

726
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:02,000
supposed to win because you're 
playing against an opponent. 

727
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,000
That's inferior to you. 
So rare, Ground not something. 

728
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,300
We're used to seeing out of IU 
football, but it'll be 

729
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:11,100
interesting to watch and see 
what they do. 

730
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:14,100
Olivia this was fun. 
Anything else you'd like to chat

731
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:15,600
about with this before we wrap 
up? 

732
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:19,300
Yeah, let's not go out and lose 
to Purdue at this. 

733
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:24,100
That's the one I keep circling 
like, oh no, you know, Rhonda 

734
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:27,900
was gonna be back, David Bell. 
That's the one I have my eyes 

735
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:29,800
on. 
Always, that's always that's it.

736
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,200
That's always a crazy game 
regardless and had look. 

737
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,700
And it's funny because there's a
lot of, I mean, Obviously, 

738
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,800
Michigan State, tough game, Ohio
State people are circling that 

739
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,600
but I mean, Maryland, just waxed
Penn State and what, you know, 

740
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,500
Wisconsin, who knows, what's 
going to happen with that game? 

741
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:48,700
It's hard to even know what 
Wisconsin's going to look like 

742
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:50,700
at that stage. 
They've been out with covid for 

743
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:53,600
two weeks. 
You got Purdue as you mentioned 

744
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,100
at the end of the season, 
there's no easy games on the 

745
00:39:57,100 --> 00:39:59,800
schedule but going back to 
something. 

746
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,300
You said earlier, the idea that 
I you might make other teams 

747
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:07,800
worried and nervous. 
It is, it's a nice spot to be in

748
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:12,000
and certainly I think it's it's 
been a lot of fun for those of 

749
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,500
us that have followed this 
program closely and it's weird 

750
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:18,700
to see the shoe on the other 
foot, bring the old, brass 

751
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:22,200
spittoons back. 
I remember that night and it was

752
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,400
something I actually believed 
was that the Xander diamant 

753
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,100
cigar night because that's one 
of my favorite IU photos. 

754
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:30,600
I think it was. 
I know, I think that was the the

755
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,100
bucket game from the that was 
two years earlier, something 

756
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:34,900
like that. 
Yeah. 

757
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:38,900
Yeah, we had new hand. 
Yeah, two trophies that year. 

758
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,500
It was that was, that's a very 
rare period for IU football when

759
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:45,700
they have both of those. 
But, but anyway, Olivia, thanks 

760
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:47,500
for joining me. 
Pleasure is always, what have 

761
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:50,300
you back on again soon? 
Yes, thanks Caitlin. 

762
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,100
Our final, guest on Crimson cast
this week, we have Mike Miller 

763
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:58,000
back, we missed him last week, 
it felt like it would have been 

764
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,800
a great week to have a Mike 
Miller lead in the timing just 

765
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,600
didn't work but we got him back 
for the old brass spittoon game.

766
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,200
As I, you gets ready to take on 
Michigan State. 

767
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,600
Mike, how you doing? 
I'm doing great. 

768
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,400
It's great to be back in the 
saddle with you. 

769
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,400
I'm sorry. 
I had a crush of obligations 

770
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,200
fall on my plate last week, so 
it was great. 

771
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,400
I was actually listening to you 
and Scott Saturday morning while

772
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,000
I was doing the dishes in the 
kitchen and it was a big feeling

773
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,400
of fomo feeling. 
Like I really missed out on the 

774
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,800
opportunity to talk about the 
the women I've been predicting 

775
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,100
for six straight years. 
And finally can finally came to 

776
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:35,000
fruition. 
What first of all, nothing 

777
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,300
Inspires like domestic chores, 
quite like Crimson cast folks, 

778
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:42,900
you can remember that. 
It's great for mowing the lawn 

779
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:46,700
washing dishes getting laundry 
folded IV, whatever you need. 

780
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:49,500
You kill 30 minutes, just just 
pop a saint but no, Mike. 

781
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,500
We've talked about Indiana 
beating Michigan. 

782
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:53,300
We talked about this at the 
beginning of the year, I want 

783
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:54,800
to, I want to step back a little
bit. 

784
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:58,500
We talked about this idea of 
well by, you could beat either 

785
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:02,400
Penn State or Michigan to start 
the year. 

786
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:05,100
While that would be really 
tremendous and it's It's 

787
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:08,600
probably a bridge too far. 
And certainly the Penn State 

788
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,100
game was all kinds of messy but 
I you found a way to Prevail 

789
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:16,000
that Michigan game was a 
shellacking. 

790
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Like this was I would think you 
could make the argument, it was 

791
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,600
like very few games in the IU. 
Michigan series have ever been 

792
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,700
for I you like when they've 
beaten Michigan in the past, 

793
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,000
it's been pretty close. 
That went in 87, that was not a 

794
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
game where I you dominated. 
I mean, they came from behind, 

795
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,400
they won in the fourth quarter. 
This was a game that they 

796
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,800
dominated essentially from the 
end of the first quarter and 

797
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,500
really looked like the superior 
team on the field for almost the

798
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:47,800
entire game. 
It's actually funny that 87 

799
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,200
game. 
I loved about this last weekend.

800
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:53,400
You know, for in this series it 
felt like for the longest time 

801
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,300
for IU to get this win, it was 
going to take a sloppy, Michigan

802
00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:00,400
game was going to take a game 
that was messy and muddy and 

803
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,000
Indiana was gonna you know 
Prevail on something weird or 

804
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,000
fluky, it felt like for a while 
and even that 87 game, I mean, 

805
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,100
it was so funny, like going back
and ever since I moved to 

806
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:12,500
Bloomington, I heard stories of 
that 87 game. 

807
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,000
The stories of Bo Schembechler 
stopping the game. 

808
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,100
At one point to complain about 
the crowd noise to the 

809
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:22,700
officials, you know, just the 
huge crush of people that were 

810
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:24,700
in Memorial Stadium that day 
cheering the Hooters on the 

811
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:27,500
victory, but also the story of 
the wind, and how it was just 

812
00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:33,200
this cold wind, wet day in 
Bloomington in October 87, and 

813
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:36,700
the IU team had the wind at 
their backs during this like 

814
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:39,400
14-play eight-minute drive at 
the end of the third quarter 

815
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,900
that put them up by I think was 
like a 14-10 score and just as 

816
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:47,800
the A quarter shifted into the 
fourth quarter, the wind changed

817
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,300
directions and started wishing 
right back into the face of the 

818
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:53,300
Michigan players. 
And so it felt like even in that

819
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:55,000
game. 
Indiana had this sort of divine 

820
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,300
assistance? 
Yes, to get them to the Finish 

821
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:58,800
Line. 
If this would be, if this had 

822
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,700
been the Roman Republic like 
this is where, you know, 

823
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:05,200
polybius writes about, you know,
will the augurs were favorable 

824
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,700
like they do the entrails of the
goat like portended success or 

825
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:11,600
something like that. 
So I mean, if you're into 

826
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,800
paganism it was right there for 
you. 

827
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,100
But yes, exactly, that was 
always. 

828
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,900
He's the mythology that game was
that it was going to take some 

829
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:20,000
degree of divine intervention 
for. 

830
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,500
I you to come away with a 
victory in the series and you 

831
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:26,000
know I'll be damned if I didn't 
feel like it over the course of 

832
00:44:26,008 --> 00:44:30,500
the intervening 33 years, but 
this was there was no divine 

833
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:33,700
intervention here. 
There was just Michael penix and

834
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:35,600
the IU defense. 
Yeah. 

835
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,400
And you know what it was, I 
think if you're not you fan, I 

836
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,200
think he should be really 
encouraged by a lot of things in

837
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,500
that game, but especially just 
the way that game started. 

838
00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:46,700
We've talked a lot about Not 
belief with this team and we 

839
00:44:46,707 --> 00:44:49,400
talked a lot about belief last 
couple years and how it seems 

840
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,800
like these last few weeks we've 
really seen a team that truly 

841
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,300
believes that they can win these
games that they're on the same 

842
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:58,100
playing field as the Michigan's 
and in the Penn State's of the 

843
00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:59,900
world. 
But just the way they came out 

844
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:02,100
particularly offensively, I 
think we know what this team is 

845
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:05,300
defensively, but the way they 
came out on the first drive with

846
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:07,000
that scripted, they look 
prepared. 

847
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,100
They look confident. 
They look like a team that 

848
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,100
believe that what they were 
going to do was going to be 

849
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:14,600
successful and I think there is 
a lot to that just sort of 

850
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,600
setting the tone Down with that,
with that first drive, even just

851
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,100
coming out and showing that, you
know, pay we're here and we're 

852
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:23,700
here to win the game. 
You'll just from the very first 

853
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:27,400
moments of this game, it felt 
like a team that was in control 

854
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:30,800
and in command really to of what
they wanted to do, they really 

855
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,400
dictated play, which is 
something we really haven't seen

856
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:35,500
inconsistent doses over the 
years. 

857
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:38,400
One of the things I was talking 
earlier about with the couple of

858
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,500
our guests has been, how not, 
just how confident this IU team 

859
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:48,100
has looked, but they have been 
incredibly so far in terms of 

860
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:51,000
just not doing dumb things, the 
dumb things that we've 

861
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,200
complained about quite a bit 
with IU football since time 

862
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,100
immemorial essentially I mean 
you know on the season so far 

863
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,000
the this team just they haven't 
turned the ball over that often 

864
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,900
you know so far on the season I 
use turnover margin is plus 6, 

865
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,200
they've intercepted the ball 
seven times, they've recovered 

866
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,200
one fumble and then, you know, 
essentially they've had one 

867
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,600
fumble lost in an interception 
thrown that's what was missing. 

868
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,800
It felt like from the last 
couple of additions of this even

869
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,600
last year the turnovers just 
weren't there but it's not even 

870
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,400
so much. 
I mean you could we could 

871
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,400
certainly talked a lot about the
defense in the way that they 

872
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,500
forced turnovers and how that 
essentially one them depends 

873
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:35,600
State game and it played a role 
in this Michigan game but it's 

874
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,900
really the offense not making 
mistakes like that. 

875
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:42,700
Not committing a host of 
penalties that cause problems. 

876
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,000
It's really interesting watching
this team. 

877
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,600
Almost mature, I guess in a way 
in ways Beyond just being 

878
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,000
confident in themselves. 
Yeah, that's a great point to. 

879
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,400
And then certainly, there are 
things that are sort of head, 

880
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,900
shaking Lee frustrating, whether
it's the drops or, you know, 

881
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:02,600
just, you know, the fact that 
the running game isn't quite. 

882
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,900
I think what they want it to be.
But like you said just to 

883
00:47:04,908 --> 00:47:07,200
minimize the mistakes and I 
think that like, in a matchup 

884
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,900
like this, I think this weekend 
that is highlighted even more, 

885
00:47:10,900 --> 00:47:13,300
so because you look at Michigan 
State, you know, the one they 

886
00:47:13,300 --> 00:47:15,900
have was a game. 
They played pretty Pretty clean.

887
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:21,000
You know, the two losses, they 
were just violently sloppy, 

888
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,600
particularly the game against 
Rutgers, but you know, turnover 

889
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,100
margin is a big thing for them 
as well. 

890
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,300
But, yeah, I think just taking 
that step as a team where you're

891
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:33,100
playing, clean your playing 
smart football, you know, it's 

892
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:37,200
just it again, you're looking 
for signs of a new team of a new

893
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:39,600
sense of purpose with this 
program. 

894
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,800
And I think it's that's that's 
one that one tangible thing. 

895
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,100
You can certainly point you 
right there? 

896
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:44,900
Yeah. 
Michigan State. 

897
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,700
Should they are -7 on the year 
in turnover margin through the 

898
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:51,400
same number of games and, and 
Lee has a lot of that was the 

899
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,600
sloppiness against Rutgers. 
But even against Iowa, it wasn't

900
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,200
a pretty picture. 
Let's talk about this Michigan 

901
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,400
State team specifically weird 
year so far in what we knew was 

902
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,800
going to be a weird year. 
Like, let's let's not mince 

903
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,700
words here. 
This is a program that is on 

904
00:48:07,700 --> 00:48:11,500
fire, not in a good way. 
Like this is this is very much 

905
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:14,900
like you know the Deepwater 
Horizon kind of Fire. 

906
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:18,600
Fire where they're just there's 
so many things that have gone 

907
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,600
wrong with that athletic 
department. 

908
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,200
There's so many things that went
wrong. 

909
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,900
I mean, this they they 
essentially forced out a coach 

910
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:30,000
that had taken them to the 
college football, playoff then 

911
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,600
it had, you know, probably the 
most sustained run of success 

912
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,600
that Michigan State football has
had since the 1960s and no one 

913
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,200
really bad. 
And I, and and that should give 

914
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,800
you an example of how far off 
the rails things have gotten. 

915
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,500
And it's not just a football 
thing with Michigan State, but 

916
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:49,000
football Probably the most 
visible casualty of the upheaval

917
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,500
that's going on there right now.
Yeah, you talk about, you know, 

918
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:54,600
obviously, we know this can be a
weird season for everybody. 

919
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,300
But weird wrapped inside of 
weird wrapped inside of weird is

920
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,100
as Michigan State right now. 
That's for sure. 

921
00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:05,300
So, when you look at this team, 
like not a lot sticks out, what 

922
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:08,500
it comes to Michigan State, like
it's a very weird roster. 

923
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,600
You know, they've got a 
quarterback and Rocky Lombardi 

924
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,900
who they like he's like the the 
football player version of fetch

925
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:19,800
like we keep trying to make 
Rocky Lombardi happen and I just

926
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,000
don't think it's going to happen
at this point. 

927
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,700
He has not had a great season. 
He was, he looked pretty banged 

928
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:27,500
up in that, that Iowa game. 
I don't even know if he's 

929
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:30,300
necessarily going to play in 
this Indiana game. 

930
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:34,600
He might, you know, but then you
go across the rest of this 

931
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,000
Michigan State team. 
And, you know, I mean, Jordan 

932
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,300
Simmons has looked pretty good 
at running back so far 132 yards

933
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:44,900
on the season. 
I mean, he's under four yards of

934
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:46,900
Carrie. 
So he's not like dynamite or 

935
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:49,300
something like that. 
They've gotten some pretty good 

936
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:54,000
production, out of three, very 
young receivers, Jalen Naylor, 

937
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,600
Ricky White, and Jaden read, at 
least caught some balls so far 

938
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,000
this season, but offensively, 
they've struggled with mistakes 

939
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:05,900
defensively. 
They've struggled to, you know, 

940
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,100
they're not the stalwart 
Michigan. 

941
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:11,300
State Defense has of old that I 
guess you would look at and the 

942
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:13,700
whole program like really looks 
like they've taken a step or two

943
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:16,200
back Yeah. 
I mean, just on that defensive 

944
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,100
side of me that I think they've 
totally revamped structurally 

945
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:21,300
what they've done what they're 
doing. 

946
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:23,900
Now I think they've switched to 
a four to five like so many 

947
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:25,800
teams have and so they're right 
there. 

948
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,600
You just sort of have it's a 
tough here to adjust to a new 

949
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,900
structural system. 
And I think you're probably 

950
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:35,000
seeing that as just in what the 
returns on the field 

951
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:38,200
offensively. 
It's their a weird team because 

952
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:43,400
it feels like from what I've 
read and seen in short Snippets 

953
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,200
is that they're a team? 
That really, they're not moving 

954
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,800
the ball but there they are an 
offense sort of built on on 

955
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,500
chunk of plays on explosive 
plays. 

956
00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:55,300
I mean, and that's the thing you
can say what you will about 

957
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:57,700
Rocky Lombardi. 
But, you know, he's got some, 

958
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,300
he's got some Talent, he can, he
can throw the ball, he's got 

959
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:03,600
some arm strength, you know, the
accuracy is probably not quite 

960
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,200
what you want, you know, there's
certainly some other things 

961
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,900
about his game that you can 
question, but it seems like 

962
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,000
there are a kind of a home run 
offense, if you Even call them 

963
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,200
that that again, this is a game 
between two offenses that just 

964
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,400
don't really move the ball 
consistently or as well as they 

965
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,500
want to on the ground. 
And so they've really relied on 

966
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:28,400
a lot of those chunk plays it. 
Look, he said they've got 

967
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,000
receivers, they got some guys 
who can who can catch the ball 

968
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,300
who can make some plays in 
space, but it's the consistency 

969
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:36,600
and I think some of that is 
probably stems from the 

970
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,300
quarterback position itself. 
When we talk about Michigan 

971
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:45,200
State in terms of talent there, 
you know, it's It's always been 

972
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:50,100
the program that frankly I you 
should be able to at least play 

973
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:52,900
even with overtime. 
I mean, they don't have the 

974
00:51:52,908 --> 00:51:56,300
structural advantages, certainly
that Ohio state has Michigan. 

975
00:51:56,300 --> 00:52:01,600
Has the Penn State has and yet 
going back the last 40 years or 

976
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,200
so, this is a Michigan State 
team that I, you is just not 

977
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,100
been able to crack very 
regularly. 

978
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:13,300
You'll get the one win back in 
2016 at home, and that ended up 

979
00:52:13,308 --> 00:52:16,400
being a really Happy Michigan 
State, team, that team finished 

980
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,000
three, and nine. 
I, you did go to a bowl that 

981
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,000
year. 
That was the Foster Farms Bowl 

982
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:23,500
year. 
But that was, that's the only 

983
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:26,900
win that I use had in the last 
11 meetings between these two 

984
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:29,900
teams. 
And, yes, Michigan state had a 

985
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:33,700
good decade but they weren't 
that much better than Indiana 

986
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,100
from a recruiting perspective 
that they should be able to win 

987
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:40,000
10 out of their last 11. 
Yeah, it's always been a really 

988
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,900
interesting matchup because 
you're recruiting wise. 

989
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:45,500
I mean, these two programs I 
think have really He recruited 

990
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:48,700
bear along the same plane. 
I mean, it's the same type of 

991
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:51,300
tear player that they're 
bringing in. 

992
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:55,000
And even if you look in the 
series, I mean, you know, the 13

993
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,000
game was out of hand. 
The 14 game was was just 

994
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,200
personalized. 
Indiana, didn't have the guys, 

995
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,900
but you know, you look at a lot 
of these other years and it's 

996
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:05,100
been a close match up. 
Yeah. 

997
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:07,900
I why is that? 
I've wondered even you've seen 

998
00:53:07,900 --> 00:53:11,400
this matchup more that I have. 
Why is it that, you know, this, 

999
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:14,400
I don't know. 
It's not that think shifted. 

1000
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:18,500
It just said, this has sort of 
been a weird matchup for. 

1001
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:22,000
Are you giving the fact that 
they recruit a lot of the same 

1002
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,300
types of players and that this 
is a team that is kind of on 

1003
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:27,800
that same tier as India? 
What is it about this? 

1004
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,900
Well, I think the, the, the, the
thesis statement is Michigan 

1005
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:36,400
State cares about football, 
deeply and Indiana doesn't. 

1006
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:38,500
Now, I think that's changed. 
It's funny that you say, well, 

1007
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:40,700
is it shifted? 
I think it's shifted because I 

1008
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:43,700
think that Indiana started 
caring about football like 

1009
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:47,100
legitimately be caring about 
football about 12 years ago, but

1010
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,000
there was so much ground to make
up between. 

1011
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:53,600
We're both programs were and 
say, 2008 and now that it's 

1012
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,800
taken this amount of time and 
it's taken, you know, a couple 

1013
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,400
of major scandals at Michigan 
State for everybody to kind of 

1014
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,800
take a step back. 
I mean, if you look at like, we 

1015
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,800
talked in our podcast last week 
about how Indiana to lie, 

1016
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,800
beaten, Michigan State 9 times 
was talking about those with 

1017
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,500
Olivia, Ray or earlier on the 
podcast, and he has only beaten 

1018
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:14,400
Michigan State, 16 times in its 
history. 

1019
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:19,400
History and if you go back to 
1970, let's so there was a there

1020
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:25,100
was a three-year stretch 1967, 
1968 1969, where I you beat 

1021
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:26,800
Michigan State, three years in a
row. 

1022
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:29,600
Weirdly all three of those games
were in East Lansing. 

1023
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,600
This was back in the, the very 
sketchy scheduling era of the 

1024
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,500
Big Ten. 
I think if we looked up some 

1025
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:40,400
rocks, we might find some 
unquestionably bad things in the

1026
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,500
big tent, front office. 
And this was, this was weird by 

1027
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:46,000
itself because Keep in mind, 
Michigan State won a national 

1028
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,300
title in 1966. 
They were, they were a big 

1029
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:51,800
program, Indiana wins three 
times against them. 

1030
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,900
And then from 1970 until the 
present day Indiana has won in 

1031
00:54:55,900 --> 00:54:59,900
East Lansing a grand total of 
twice twice. 

1032
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:04,000
And and in that time period, I 
mean, Michigan State's got a 

1033
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,900
nine game unbeaten streak. 
They've got another eight game 

1034
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:09,300
winning streak that they racked 
up. 

1035
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:11,200
I think, during that same period
or maybe I was a little bit 

1036
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:16,000
earlier, but all of that, really
Yeah, I think comes down to 

1037
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:22,300
Indiana's level of care 
financially culturally regarding

1038
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:25,300
football, has always been about 
a notch lower than Michigan 

1039
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:26,500
State. 
And you can kind of understand 

1040
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:29,400
it from the Michigan State 
perspective, because as good as 

1041
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,600
they've been in basketball and 
they won the national title in 

1042
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,100
1979 in Michigan, football is 
the thing. 

1043
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,000
You know, as jacked up as they 
get every time they beat the 

1044
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,600
Wolverines, it becomes part of 
your cultural identity, I think 

1045
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,200
is a school and You know, you're
right? 

1046
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,700
I mean, Indiana and Michigan 
State. 

1047
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:48,700
They're competing for a larger, 
the same players. 

1048
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:50,400
They're getting larger. 
The same players, I think. 

1049
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,500
Michigan state has done a better
job of hiring coaches, and 

1050
00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:56,800
developing talent. 
And I think the difference you 

1051
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,100
see now is that I use got a 
coach that can do those things. 

1052
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:02,300
They've got a coach that knows 
how to recruit and recruits 

1053
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:05,000
pretty well. 
And I think more to the point 

1054
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,900
they've got a coach that has 
been able to develop those three

1055
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:09,800
star players. 
And in some cases two star 

1056
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,500
players in two players that can 
contribute. 

1057
00:56:11,500 --> 00:56:13,700
I was talking about this with 
Caleb Kaufman earlier. 

1058
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:17,500
You get Guys that weren't 
heralded and weren't highly 

1059
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:19,600
recruited that are making 
contributions. 

1060
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,100
Are they star players know? 
But they're good contributing 

1061
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:25,000
players in the Big Ten and 
that's really what's been 

1062
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,300
missing from the IU side of the 
equation for so long? 

1063
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,000
Yeah I think we've had this 
conversation a few times in the 

1064
00:56:31,008 --> 00:56:33,300
last couple of years especially 
when you know I use really 

1065
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:36,200
reinvested in the strength 
program because tell me you look

1066
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,700
at this is roster and just look 
at a guy like Mike McFadden. 

1067
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:42,400
I mean who would somebody want? 
Yes. 

1068
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,600
Yeah I mean it's crazy. 
I mean, just the guy who I, you 

1069
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,100
know, I thought it would be, you
know, scouting for 30 years 

1070
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:51,400
probably and here he is. 
I mean, he's technically sound, 

1071
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,300
he's good, he knows what he's a 
guy you trust out there and I 

1072
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:55,400
think you're really starting to 
see that. 

1073
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,900
I mean, the whole name of the 
game when they brought in the 

1074
00:56:57,908 --> 00:57:01,800
last strength staff was was take
three stars and turn them into 

1075
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,500
four stars. 
Take him into high tournament 

1076
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:06,000
too high for stars because you 
might only get a couple for 

1077
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,800
stars have recycled so. 
Yeah I think you're right I 

1078
00:57:08,808 --> 00:57:12,500
think that's probably the real 
the Crux of it is just you know 

1079
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:14,300
that that development. 
It's take. 

1080
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,700
Not while to take hold but it is
it's just been a weirdly I want 

1081
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:20,800
to say lopsided but in terms of 
results, yes, but in terms of 

1082
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:25,300
actual play it's I mean it's 
been a pleasure to every year. 

1083
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,400
Yeah, I know. 
I mean, I think it is some 

1084
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,600
years, it's not close. 
I mean those couple of years, 

1085
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,100
the Michigan state was a top 10 
team. 

1086
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:36,400
Those were not close games to 
2014-2015 despite those being 

1087
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,400
relatively good, Indiana teams, 
you know. 

1088
00:57:38,900 --> 00:57:43,600
But but no, historically you 
look down the roster of teams 

1089
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,500
that Indiana has. 
Has played regularly, they have 

1090
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:49,100
more wins against Wisconsin, 
then they have against Michigan 

1091
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:50,600
State. 
They had more wins against Iowa,

1092
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,800
then they do against Michigan 
State by significant margin. 

1093
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,500
This is always been a trip up 
opponent for them and as and 

1094
00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:00,700
it's a rivalry game to 
theoretically it's one of the 

1095
00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:04,900
most offbeat trophies in all of 
college football rivalry. 

1096
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:09,000
But it still exists and it is 
interesting to think about you 

1097
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,800
know, that it's why I get 
irritated with everybody on the 

1098
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,500
IU side. 
Is seem to not among the players

1099
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:18,200
mind you, but among the fans 
it's like they're just 

1100
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,800
completely overlooking this game
and it's like got this is it's 

1101
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,800
not a trap game. 
It's a rivalry game and it's a 

1102
00:58:24,808 --> 00:58:26,500
game. 
How you like absolutely has to 

1103
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:30,400
come out and win. 
I think handily to demonstrate 

1104
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,100
that, they are a level above 
where they have been in the past

1105
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:35,900
years. 
Yeah. 

1106
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,100
I don't want to get too ahead of
ourselves but have you looked at

1107
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:40,600
the tiebreakers you mentioned 
Trap game and I've just been 

1108
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,200
like, again, I'm not going to be
on the field this weekend, so I 

1109
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:47,500
I can look ahead but it is 
you're not allowed. 

1110
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:50,700
Not on this podcast, Mike sorry.
No, don't go ahead. 

1111
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:53,300
Yes, no, no, it's it know, I've 
been thinking a lot about those 

1112
00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:55,900
two things. 
Just the Rivalry component, how 

1113
00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:59,300
this is like such a forgotten 
rivalry especially in terms of 

1114
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:02,400
just Indiana like it's just not 
a game, you know, say what you 

1115
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,400
will about you football and how 
it resonates culturally. 

1116
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,800
But even so within the fanbase 
it feels like no, we forget that

1117
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,400
this is a trophy game at this is
a so-called rivalry game, you 

1118
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,100
know, a game, you know the Ralph
Green Memorial spittoon game. 

1119
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:19,200
So it is it is it's like I 
decided to fire up NCAA 14 last 

1120
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,400
night and I'm going to do a 
coach mode Dynasty and I'm 

1121
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:28,200
rearranging the conferences. 
And I've I put Mizzou back in 

1122
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,500
the Big 12 because they belong 
there and I'm trying to pair 

1123
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:34,200
with division to put them in and
they got like nine rivalries in 

1124
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:35,900
the Big 12. 
It's like what you've got to 

1125
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:38,000
have a rivalry with Oklahoma 
State. 

1126
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,000
What like, how does, what you've
arrival with Iowa State and 

1127
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,200
that's kind of feels that way 
with it. 

1128
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,100
Indiana, Michigan State. 
It's just if You, if I put the 

1129
00:59:45,100 --> 00:59:47,700
roster of the Big Ten schools up
there and said, okay, take 

1130
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:50,500
Purdue out, who's the other team
that I use got a rivalry 

1131
00:59:50,500 --> 00:59:53,100
against, you would probably 
guess 10 times before you 

1132
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:56,400
guessed Michigan State. 
Yeah, that's very weird. 

1133
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:03,700
So, anyway, you know, it's 
obviously I think I you is more,

1134
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:07,200
they're playing better, they're 
more confident, they have more 

1135
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,400
skill position, players 
offensively that know what 

1136
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,600
they're doing, so is, what is 
the key for you? 

1137
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,900
I mean, for me, it's And, and 
execution. 

1138
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:20,100
And it's avoiding the let down 
even kind of avoiding the 

1139
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:22,800
letdown they had in the first 
half against Rutgers, you know, 

1140
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,300
coming out just playing their 
game getting up early and kind 

1141
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:28,500
of putting it away. 
And to me, that's more mental 

1142
01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:30,300
than anything else. 
Because they've proven that they

1143
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:32,400
can do it physically. 
What do you look at coming into 

1144
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,100
this game? 
I was going to say, you know, 

1145
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:37,700
along those same lines and it 
goes kind of back to what we 

1146
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:39,900
were talking about a couple 
weeks ago when we look back at 

1147
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:44,200
last season and how this team 
handled success coming. 

1148
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:47,000
For the Nebraska win and, you 
know, can they handle success 

1149
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,700
coming up? 
You know, I think we're getting 

1150
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:50,600
to that point now where you 
know, you can almost start to 

1151
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,500
trust them to know, be mature 
about winning games and, you 

1152
01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:57,000
know, handling the big picture, 
and, you know, 

1153
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,300
compartmentalizing things and 
taking things a week at a time. 

1154
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:03,200
It was, it was kind of funny 
and, you know, as coach you kind

1155
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,500
of have to do this, but it was 
funny. 

1156
01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:06,600
Watching Tom, Allen's press 
conference yesterday. 

1157
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:10,900
Someone asked him, sometimes I 
forget what the question was, 

1158
01:01:10,900 --> 01:01:14,200
but it was alluding to just this
two-week stretch up. 

1159
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:19,200
And you know, Alan just sort of 
very defiantly just sort of just

1160
01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:22,900
icy stare into the camera saying
no we're playing the Michigan 

1161
01:01:22,900 --> 01:01:26,200
State Spartans like he was like 
very adamant that this team 

1162
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,100
would not look past that. 
You know, a coach is going to 

1163
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:30,100
have to do that either way. 
It's kind of what you're doing 

1164
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:33,900
those media setting but you 
know, the point is, I'm starting

1165
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:37,800
to trust this team in ways that 
I don't think that we could 

1166
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,200
trust them in the past. 
Because now, they're starting to

1167
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,400
prove it. 
Now, they're starting to build a

1168
01:01:41,408 --> 01:01:44,200
track record of having moved on,
from Whispers. 

1169
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:46,900
Winds and left those wins a week
in the past. 

1170
01:01:46,900 --> 01:01:50,300
You know, it's funny because I'm
sort of thinking about, you 

1171
01:01:50,308 --> 01:01:54,500
know, the converse and how you 
talk about that, that 2016 game 

1172
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,600
and how, you know, Michigan 
State went on to go like what 

1173
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,100
three and nine that year, and it
was sort of like Indiana broke 

1174
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:01,600
that Michigan State team. 
Kind of like how Indiana almost 

1175
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,600
broke Penn State. 
I feel like this year almost and

1176
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:08,700
well yeah, excuse me. 
That's it's a harvest of souls 

1177
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:12,300
Michael harvested, their souls. 
Exactly. 

1178
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,600
Yeah, it's just, you know, it's 
It's interesting. 

1179
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,600
It's fascinating to sort of 
watch the steam, be on the other

1180
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,400
side of that. 
And now again just being able to

1181
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,900
move on from wins and process 
them again in a mature way in a 

1182
01:02:23,908 --> 01:02:28,400
productive way. 
You know, it's I as far as 

1183
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,500
things to watch that's that's 
one thing I think I'm watching 

1184
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:33,900
but again it's not like the big 
thing I'm concerned about. 

1185
01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:35,900
I think that again seems proven 
they can do it. 

1186
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,200
Yeah, I think I'll be curious to
sort of see which team runs the 

1187
01:02:40,207 --> 01:02:44,100
ball better. 
You know, I think you know what?

1188
01:02:44,300 --> 01:02:46,200
Like I said, on the Michigan 
State side, it's a team that's 

1189
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,400
kind of feasted on, on chunk 
places. 

1190
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,600
You know, I think we all have 
some trust in this Indiana 

1191
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,600
defense at this point. 
But, you know, can they minimize

1192
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,800
some of those chunk plays and 
really keep them off schedule. 

1193
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,200
Things like that, but it's a 
fascinating matchup. 

1194
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,100
It's an interesting series and 
certainly given what's 

1195
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,300
potentially at stake next week. 
It's it's another exciting 

1196
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:10,400
exciting week in the football. 
It is and it games early. 

1197
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,800
It's another National TV game 
and I could get used This I can 

1198
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,400
get used to. 
I you being on National 

1199
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,700
Television on a regular basis, 
even if it's the noon kick, the 

1200
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:22,100
new kicks are easier to take 
when there's not a tailgate to 

1201
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:24,300
set up for you. 
Because I don't I don't have to 

1202
01:03:24,300 --> 01:03:28,000
go load the truck at like 6:15 
in the morning to go out and you

1203
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,800
know like getting the tailgate 
lot when it's 36 degrees 

1204
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,400
outside. 
I can I can get used to the 

1205
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,300
earlier timetable. 
I think I look, I think one 

1206
01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:40,800
thing to pick up on rushing 
attack, that is the one piece of

1207
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,500
the puzzle. 
That's certainly been missing 

1208
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:45,300
for this IU team offense. 
Only so far they did get it 

1209
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:48,700
going a little bit at the end of
the Michigan game, weirdly they 

1210
01:03:48,700 --> 01:03:52,900
ground Michigan's defense down 
to the point that they were just

1211
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:54,700
crack. 
Which that to me was the Through

1212
01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:58,700
the Looking-Glass moment, like 
when when I you is just running 

1213
01:03:58,700 --> 01:04:01,500
into Michigan's defensive line 
and Michigan's can't do anything

1214
01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:03,700
about it. 
I don't know where we are at 

1215
01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:06,100
that point like just, yeah, 
sickly like it's on, we're on a 

1216
01:04:06,107 --> 01:04:08,800
different plane but they need to
figure out a way to get that 

1217
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,900
established earlier. 
They may need to think about 

1218
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,900
maybe giving Samson. 
Some more carries because Stevie

1219
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:19,600
Scott with this blocking scheme 
seems to be having more trouble 

1220
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,600
finding and exploiting holes, 
most of his gains of come on 

1221
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,200
trap plays or they've been 
relatively short yardage if they

1222
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,500
haven't been and that's the 
thing too, that you mentioned 

1223
01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:30,800
last week. 
You know, they've I think 

1224
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,700
they've gotten incrementally 
better week by week. 

1225
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:34,300
I mean, that the first game was 
not very good. 

1226
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:36,900
They were better at Rutgers. 
And like you said, it was really

1227
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:38,400
encouraging. 
If you, if you're going to take 

1228
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,800
a moment to show up as a running
game, you late in the game and 

1229
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,300
you really gotta grind it out 
against a team that 

1230
01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:45,600
traditionally has that. 
Physical advantage that's when 

1231
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,700
you want to see it. 
So you know in total there's 

1232
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:53,300
there's more you want to see, 
but I think also just 

1233
01:04:53,300 --> 01:04:56,700
anecdotally I think that there 
may be showing up in some of the

1234
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:58,900
right moments you know again you
want to see it better and full 

1235
01:04:58,900 --> 01:05:02,200
but you know I think we are 
seeing at least incremental 

1236
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:06,600
progress that you know I'm not 
I'm not ready to completely jump

1237
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,800
off the ship because the running
game isn't isn't visible at all 

1238
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,400
beings? 
It's there in doses but again, 

1239
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,100
just want to get a little bit 
more consistent as you. 

1240
01:05:14,500 --> 01:05:16,500
Shop a little earlier. 
I mean, there's always going to 

1241
01:05:16,508 --> 01:05:19,000
be things to fix. 
I think the one thing I'll say 

1242
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,000
and I mentioned this on Twitter,
you know, you look at the S&P 

1243
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,400
plus, which has normally been a 
pretty good barometer of how 

1244
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,900
much a team is actually 
competing to its fullest extent.

1245
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:32,800
I you as actually they haven't 
they haven't gone up in the 

1246
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,400
ratings. 
They've been stuck in the low 

1247
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:39,700
20s since the season began and 
it just highlights how even at 3

1248
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:42,200
and 0, this IU team could be 
playing a lot better. 

1249
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:43,600
They could be playing more 
efficiently. 

1250
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,500
They could be doing Doing more 
things, you know? 

1251
01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:50,400
And and that's surprising, I 
think to some people to others. 

1252
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,900
I think maybe it's not a 
surprise and they realize that 

1253
01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:55,900
there's still more growth to be 
had here. 

1254
01:05:55,900 --> 01:05:58,200
And it's almost exciting. 
I think if you're an IU fan 

1255
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,500
because as incrementally better 
as the team has gotten an 

1256
01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:02,900
execution, the first three 
weeks. 

1257
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:06,700
If they can continue that path 
then you gotta like the way that

1258
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:08,600
things set up for them the rest 
of the way. 

1259
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:10,400
Yeah, no. 
You said it. 

1260
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:11,600
I mean, it was really 
interesting to me. 

1261
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,100
I was looking at the SP stuff, 
this afternoon, I was actually 

1262
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:18,100
Mildly surprised just to kind of
see where Indiana Falls and some

1263
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:20,700
of these categories just given 
what we've seen a out, how I 

1264
01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:23,200
think a lot of people feel about
this team, you know, 

1265
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,500
numbers-wise just right now. 
You know that it may indicate 

1266
01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:27,400
that there is room for 
improvement. 

1267
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,000
I think we all realize that but 
again, it's just sort of lends 

1268
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,900
to this. 
I think excitement of what's to 

1269
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:37,400
what hopefully is still to come.
As far as, you know, making sure

1270
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,600
we are able to finish out this 
college football season. 

1271
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,000
So as said l so let's let's wrap
things up score prediction for 

1272
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:44,700
this. 
This weekend. 

1273
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:46,700
Anything else. 
Prediction wise that you like to

1274
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:49,400
get out there I you a seven and 
a half Point favorite in this 

1275
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,600
game still. 
I think it's about where it's 

1276
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,000
at. 
So yeah, I think it's I was 

1277
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,500
thinking 28:17 something. 
Along those lines, I'm not 

1278
01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:02,000
expecting, you know, a windfall 
of points for Indiana, but I 

1279
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:07,600
also, I think they win and I, 
you know, I don't I'm not not as

1280
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,400
I think, most people are not 
impressed with this Michigan 

1281
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,300
State team. 
So I think 2817 feels mildly 

1282
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:15,600
reasonable on the road. 
I think in the end is gonna win,

1283
01:07:16,100 --> 01:07:19,700
I'm not sure if they cover 
simply because I do think it's 

1284
01:07:19,700 --> 01:07:22,900
tough for what is still, a 
relatively young football team 

1285
01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:25,300
to completely put behind you, 
the fact that you've beaten 

1286
01:07:25,300 --> 01:07:29,600
Michigan and Penn State, and 
you're on the road, it's going 

1287
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,100
to be a weird environment. 
It's not going, I mean not 

1288
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:35,300
nobody ever talks about Spartan 
Stadium, being that 

1289
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:37,600
intimidating. 
But certainly I, you hasn't won 

1290
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,600
there in a long time, so there's
some kind of voodoo going on 

1291
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,700
with it, you know? 
But I look, I think Indiana's 

1292
01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:45,800
private. 
We do for a game where they 

1293
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,200
don't perform out of their 
skulls and this is probably one 

1294
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,600
of those games but I still think
Indiana's got enough in terms of

1295
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,800
performance that they'll be able
to come away with the victory 

1296
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,100
here. 
They do have in the back of 

1297
01:07:57,100 --> 01:08:00,500
their heads, what happened last 
year, and they were closed in 

1298
01:08:00,500 --> 01:08:03,100
that game at Michigan State and 
it just didn't happen for them. 

1299
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:05,300
So I think it'll be relatively 
high scoring. 

1300
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:10,500
I'll say Indiana wins 3427. 
So all right. 

1301
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:14,000
Well Mike do you have any any 
tailgate or cooking? 

1302
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,399
Plans for the weekend that you'd
like to share with us. 

1303
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:18,300
Like, what are you, what are you
doing going into this game? 

1304
01:08:18,899 --> 01:08:21,500
Oh man, I'm not sure. 
I'm going to be able to man The 

1305
01:08:21,508 --> 01:08:22,899
Grill. 
Tomorrow it with these new 

1306
01:08:22,899 --> 01:08:25,500
kicks, it's a little tougher to 
justify going out in the 

1307
01:08:25,500 --> 01:08:28,899
backyard at nine in the morning 
and swill and cheap beer and 

1308
01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:30,600
throw in Victory sausages on the
grill. 

1309
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,300
That I will be. 
I will be hunkered down. 

1310
01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:35,899
It's going to rain here tomorrow
as well. 

1311
01:08:35,899 --> 01:08:39,100
So I will be, I'll be settling 
in my living room with my laptop

1312
01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:42,100
and watching watching along with
the rest of y'all. 

1313
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:44,100
Yeah. 
Might be a gumbo day. 

1314
01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:46,899
Roo on the stove as opposed to 
try to throw something on the 

1315
01:08:46,899 --> 01:08:49,300
grill but we'll see, you know, I
mean the weather forecast here 

1316
01:08:49,300 --> 01:08:53,600
isn't exactly sunshine and 
rainbows, but in fact it's the 

1317
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,300
opposite, it's actually supposed
to rain through most of the day.

1318
01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:59,300
So that's that's sucks. 
But anyway, we'll we'll figure 

1319
01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:04,000
it out and we'll talk to you 
next week as we continue to chat

1320
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,899
about IU football. 
Mike Miller from Crimson Corey, 

1321
01:09:05,899 --> 01:09:07,899
catch him there, catch them on 
Twitter as well. 

1322
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:11,100
Thanks to Olivia Ray. 
Thanks to Caleb Kaufman. 

1323
01:09:11,500 --> 01:09:14,000
Thanks to all you folks for 
listening as always. 

1324
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,500
Are you plays Michigan State at 
noon on Saturday until Sunday 

1325
01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:20,300
when we talk next? 
We'll catch you. 

1326
01:09:20,308 --> 01:09:15,100
Folks on the flip side. 
So everybody Are you plays 

1327
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:18,800
Michigan State at noon on 
Saturday until Sunday when we 

1328
01:09:18,808 --> 01:09:20,300
talk next? 
We'll catch you. 

1329
01:09:20,308 --> 01:09:21,700
Folks on the flip side. 
So everybody