1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,320 For those who are watching on YouTube or Spotify, I forgot to 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,680 start the video recording, which is why we're starting it now. 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:17,120 Hold on, you're listening to the Back Home Network presented by 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:30,320 Home Field Apparel. Welcome back to Die cast Central 5 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:37,360 here set up Scott Dixon die cast from like 2009. 6 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,080 My my guy Tony Canon, although it's not the car he won with, 7 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,080 they didn't sell the big one of his his winning car, so I got 8 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,320 his NTT Data car. That's right, I couldn't see the 9 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,960 NTT Data thing on it. That's right. 10 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,640 Weldon. Didn't he race under 10 as well 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,720 when he won in Oaks? And and Frankini raced under 10. 12 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,120 Weldon. Yeah, yeah. 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,640 Welcome back to Crimson Cast folks, Galen Clavio, Scott 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,319 Caulfield, and Scott's Toy Car joining you here on the podcast. 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:06,840 For those of you who aren't watching, you should. 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,680 There you go. If you'd like to watch along and 17 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,240 see Scott getting that car way too close to the camera, you can 18 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,880 do so on YouTube. Subscribe go to 19 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,920 backhomenetwork.com or no, just back home networknot.com. 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,240 When we do our in depth intenuator discussion, that's 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,480 what I'm going to start talking about even. 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,080 Though this is like the old body pit. 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,720 It's like a 1984 race broadcast where Scott's got like a model 24 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,880 and he's going to start pointing at things, you know, it's like, 25 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,040 and this is where the fuel goes in just with Scott. 26 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,920 And I always go back and watch old races on YouTube during this 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,200 time of month and it of May, the not, not month, not like the 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,760 middle of every month, just May. But we've been watching the 83 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,800 race separately and then comparing notes and wow, there's 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,800 a, there's a lot to say there. It is. 31 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,960 Yeah, I mean, I've, I've always had the dream of like maybe we 32 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,160 just do a a rewatch of an of an old race and do a do a podcast 33 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,640 on it for like the seven other people who might be interested. 34 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,080 But it yeah, well, I'm just going to say it is if you if you 35 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,000 like Indy 500, all of the races are on YouTube. 36 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,360 I used to record them on like ESPN Classic, but they're all on 37 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,360 YouTube now. And they're just fascinating 38 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,120 because the production value is wild. 39 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,840 The stuff they talk about is wild. 40 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,440 The fact that pre 85 they're like half recorded, half sending 41 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,440 on live. And the stuff they talk about, 42 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,200 the way they treat wrecks and drivers like it is all, it's all 43 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,120 nothing. You, you see, like if you go far 44 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,880 enough back, I'm not talking that far back, but you go to 45 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,600 like 78 or 79 when cars were still doing 200 miles an hour. 46 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,560 It's like AJ Foyt has guys coming over in the pits wearing 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,160 jeans. Like what is going on? 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,920 Well, it's funny, it's actually under 200 miles an hour 'cause 49 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:46,840 this 83 race we're watching is I think the first race where the 50 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,520 pole sitter breaks the 200 mile barrier in the four lap average. 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,600 Teo Fabi and they start to so first of all, but you know what 52 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:58,440 we need to we need to hit our sponsor first before we get into 53 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,080 this. We are sponsored by Home Field 54 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,280 apparel who is particularly pertinent to this conversation 55 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,160 as they have one of the best Indy 500 apparel drops that 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,760 you're going to find. 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I think you should do the same 81 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,920 thing because they sell the home field stuff around IMS. 82 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,920 Just if you're going to the race on Sunday, just ask for the helm 83 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,680 23 on everything you're buying a Tenderloin. 84 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:33,520 But I want the Crimson cast code like let's just let's see if we 85 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,760 can break IMS just everywhere you go. 86 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,360 Like I want the Crimson cast code for the beer. 87 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,120 Someone will believe yes, I'll get a 24 oz can of Miller. 88 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,160 I'll just use the Crimson cast code. 89 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,240 That's great. No, but for purchase, don't I 90 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,160 get something? I, you know, it's kind of like 91 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,160 when you used to joke about, you know, the using the code to get 92 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,160 like a $100 off or 1000 of fake codes. 93 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,680 Yeah, it hasn't worked yet, but yeah, hasn't yelled at us yet. 94 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,120 But he will at some point. He will. 95 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:05,320 Absolutely. But no, what I was going to say 96 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:11,520 about that 83 race was in that race at the beginning, Jackie 97 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,960 Stewart. They by this point they'd taken 98 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,400 Jackie out of the actual press bar, out of the broadcast booth. 99 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,280 It isn't like the command center, God knows where that was 100 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:23,440 in the, in the, I don't even know if it was in the Speedway. 101 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,960 It might have been with like 3 TV's behind him. 102 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:31,400 Very yes, he looks, it's, it's kind of like like Oz's room or 103 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,320 something like that. Whereas like, that's the man 104 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,440 behind the curtain, which I mean, if it's Jackie Stewart, 105 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,400 then fine. But he goes on this whole 106 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,840 diatribe about how he thinks 200 miles an hour is too fast for 107 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:45,360 cars and that they, the, the governing body needs to lower 108 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,440 the speed by 50 miles an hour. Because in, in his words, we 109 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,200 won't know the difference if all the cars are going the same 110 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,040 speed. It's hilarious though, because 111 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,560 in that race you're watching it and with the benefit of an extra 112 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,160 40 plus years of watching, it's like, wow, those cars are slow. 113 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,840 They're going like 190 through the turns. 114 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:07,440 It's like, that's a slow car. So it did make a difference. 115 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,320 Jackie. I'm sorry. 116 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,320 But there's also, I mean, during the middle of the race they go 117 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,040 to a pre cut segment of Jackie Stewart basically doing 10 118 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,200 minutes on how unsafe the track is and how they need to do with 119 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,520 Pitt's Pitt lane modifications, which are all kind of true. 120 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,040 But it's like it, I remember we, I called you or left you a 121 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,480 message like, is this really how we promote our our sponsor race 122 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:27,840 that we're doing? Just like sit there and just 123 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:31,480 bitch about how unsafe this all is and all of the changes like 124 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,440 Jackie Stewart views on the paddock. 125 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,520 It is interesting because as we've talked about on this the, 126 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,360 the one time or two times a year where we talk IndyCar and Indy 127 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,600 500, we've mentioned this before that the race used to be on Wide 128 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,520 World of Sports tape delayed. And so they'd run the race and 129 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,320 they would record the race and then they would dub commentary 130 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,520 over it. It'd be Jim McKay and Sam Posey 131 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,320 or Jim McKay and, and Jackie Stewart. 132 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:01,720 And then they'd aired at 8:00 that night on ABC. 133 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,800 And so it was a, a shortened version of the race. 134 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,760 Like we ran for three hours and but it was like it was almost 135 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,280 and, and this really shines through. 136 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,000 If you would go through and watch these races before they 137 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,280 went live, First live race nationally was 1986. 138 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,920 So that whole period from like 75 to 85 is the ones that you 139 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:27,400 want to go and watch on YouTube. But it's like they've, you know, 140 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,080 landed their ship in like a foreign country where they've 141 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,200 never had contact with humanity before. 142 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,440 And they're just like doing an anthropological observation of a 143 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,560 foreign group of people that they have no idea or 144 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,520 understanding of. It's very weird. 145 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,440 It's very distant. But like you said, with how 146 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,720 unsafe the track is or how the cars are going too fast, it it's 147 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,640 clearly not a partnership in the traditional sense. 148 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,120 It's almost like they've been brought in to talk about 149 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,480 something journal. It's like they're at the 150 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,640 presidential, you know, press, you know, core thing where 151 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,600 they're just like interviewing the press secretary And, and 152 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,400 it's, it's just a very weird vibe when you compare it to how 153 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,160 series friendly the broadcasts are today. 154 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,480 That that re recording recording thing comes evidently in 81 155 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:18,120 where Bobby Unser passes Mario Andretti and like that that 156 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,720 nobody noticed at the race and they barely broadcast like they 157 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,640 did it live. If you read it then they then, 158 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,760 because that became the crux of how Bobby Unser won the race. 159 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,120 They went back and re dubbed it as like they, but they talk 160 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,400 about it, but they can't show it 'cause they have no video of it 161 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:33,640 of it. And so they're they keep on 162 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,280 talking about this past they think happened. 163 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,039 They don't know. And then they they come back 164 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:40,080 after the race and it's like Jim McKay in the darkness like well, 165 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,200 race is over, but we don't know who what it's like. 166 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,560 It was the most jacked up. It's. 167 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:45,760 Wild. Of an ending. 168 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,080 It's wild for a sporting event that was at still at the time 169 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,240 was called the greatest spectacle in racing and was the 170 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,200 most famous race in the entirety of the world, that it was both 171 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,240 like broadcast on tape delay and kind of treated. 172 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:03,040 Like it was a County Fair by ABC. 173 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,040 It's, it's just a very, it's a very odd, I invite everybody to 174 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,080 go at least go watch a couple of the races because you're just 175 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,720 going to be like, wow, this is. And for those who didn't live 176 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,480 through it, the, the xenophobia shines through because like the 177 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,080 I, I picked for us to watch 83 because it's the last time you 178 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,600 had a rookie on the pole. And this year, you know, we have 179 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,440 a rookie on the pole who's also not American. 180 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,520 Oh my God. And but it's like all they talk 181 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,680 about is he's Italian and like, he's not an American. 182 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:27,120 He's Italian. And then Jackie Stewart's like 183 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,600 I, I like having an Italian. It's good to have a European 184 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,280 like all this discussion about like, you know, Italians, they 185 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,800 understand this kind of racing. It's like. 186 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,920 Oh, there was Mars. No, no, it's like Jim Mckay's, 187 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,680 like people have asked, has an Italian ever won the Indy 500? 188 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,600 Well, Mario Andretti was, yeah, it's like, yeah, no kidding. 189 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,680 The most famous race car driver in the 80s. 190 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:48,840 A lot of people from a lot of places. 191 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,520 Anyway, so we're not. You'd imagine telling them, hey, 192 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,800 in 40 years we're going to have a Russian Israeli on the Pole 193 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,720 like they was. Who was raised? 194 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,880 Who was raised in Italy, Right. Yes, I know. 195 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,200 It's it's God. No. 196 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,760 Is he going to? Be able to eat at IMS. 197 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:05,880 How's he going to live? Yeah. 198 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,680 I know it's amazing. So there's a ton to talk about. 199 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:11,840 Yeah, there is. We were when we were thinking 200 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,080 about doing this year's edition of this podcast where we always 201 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,000 preview the Indy 500 and talk about it. 202 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,960 We both go right, But like a week and a half ago we were 203 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,320 like, what are we going to talk about? 204 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,320 Because let's be honest. Going to win or not? 205 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:31,400 It, it is a, it has been a very boring IndyCar Series so far 206 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,360 this year. And you know, this is one of 207 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,280 those things and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a weird time in 208 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,480 as much as the reason it's boring is you've had one 209 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,560 absolutely dominant driver in Alex Pelo and you know he 210 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:48,160 deserves all of the flowers. He's got 248 points so far this 211 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:54,200 season. 4 wins, 5 top fives, 2 poles, 149 laps LED. 212 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,160 Nobody else has more than 51 laps LED on the year. 213 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,040 He's 97 points ahead of Kyle Kirkwood, who's second in in in 214 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,360 the point totals. Like he's running away with it 215 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:04,760 right now. And two of the. 216 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,760 Last races like in Barber, he had the pole position fastest 217 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,560 lap most laps LED in the wind at IMSGP, the the, the IndyCar, 218 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:14,920 Sonoma, you know, the Grand Prix, he had pole position 219 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,600 fastest lap and won the race. Didn't have most laps left. 220 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,240 But just, I mean just owning these races. 221 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,320 Yeah, So, you know, we, so we've been trying to figure out like, 222 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:23,680 well, what are we going to talk about? 223 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:26,800 And boy, did we had a lot to talk about over the course of 224 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,680 the last week with what happened during qualifying and then Fast 225 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:32,960 6 and this whole Penske controversy. 226 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,480 And that's in light of last year. 227 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,000 And now we've got more stuff to talk about not just from last 228 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,880 year, but two years ago when it comes to Penske and Newgarden. 229 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,760 Let's let's start before we get to the controversial stuff. 230 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,520 Let's talk about what happened in qualifying and the fact that, 231 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:55,240 as you said earlier, we have a rookie, a Russian Israeli driver 232 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,080 who was I think raised in Italy, who's racing for a team that's 233 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,040 never been in the 500 before in Prima racing. 234 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:07,360 Robert Schwartzman first Oval that he's ever been on and he 235 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:13,200 goes out and he bests Takuma Sato and Potto award and Scott 236 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:18,960 Dixon and Felix Rosenquist and Alex Pelo in the fast 6 ends up 237 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:24,480 with a four lap average of 232.79 O And it was a remarkable 238 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,120 run and it was fascinating. You called it, I'll give one of 239 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,000 Scott credit. He called it during the 240 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,640 qualifying. He texted it to me. 241 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,320 But this is a young driver who clearly just has a lot going for 242 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,040 him right now. And that doesn't always work 243 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,320 over the course of a 500 mile race, but it often works in 244 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,160 qualifying. And, and, you know, we've seen 245 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,880 unusual pole sitters over the course of the history of the 246 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,440 Indianapolis 500, particularly in the last 2530 years. 247 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,640 The race tends to shake that out more often than not. 248 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,040 But that's a, you know, qualifying and racing at Indy 249 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,480 are two entirely different things. 250 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,520 And the, you know, the setup's entirely different. 251 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,880 The driving is very different. And I mean, what Robert 252 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,200 Schwartzman did out there, just how smooth he looked in that 253 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,560 prima racing vehicle, especially when so many cars really were 254 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,360 struggling in ways that I wasn't expecting, especially during 255 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,640 that period of time. But Scott, it was also kind of a 256 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:26,040 weird product of the fact that they hadn't run at all that late 257 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,360 in the day and they end up running like post 6:00 on the 258 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,200 qualifying. It was just like the whole setup 259 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,520 felt a little bit odd. And it's like they've tinkered 260 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,840 with this thing enough that it's great in one sense because we 261 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,880 still get surprises, but on the other hand, it's just a little 262 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,600 bit strange how it all ended up working out and the fact that 263 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,520 this was the result. Yeah, this this year I'm 264 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,040 bringing my, my neighbor and buddy Dan to the race for the 265 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,440 first time. And his wife moved here from 266 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:51,880 Iowa like 2 years ago. Never been. 267 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,400 I'm like, I'll, I'll show you the 500. 268 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,560 So we actually went to practice Thursday and Friday and I was, 269 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,640 he was like, well, how you know, let me, let me tell you how 270 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,120 qualifying works. And I'm like, well, I think I 271 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,720 understand. Like I mean, I keep up, but they 272 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,800 change it every year. And that's what I thought was 273 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,760 odd is, you know, as I was telling Dan, you know, kind of 274 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,040 like, well, they, they practice all these different scenarios. 275 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,800 You know, what's it like when it's this temperature at this 276 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,680 degrees at this time of day, but practice ends at six O clock 277 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,480 every day. And then you're going to do the 278 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,600 fast 6 at 6:30, a time that no one's ever run. 279 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,480 The shadows are all over the place. 280 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,880 I just, I found that odd. You know, I, I just, Schwartzman 281 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,480 was putting up good numbers throughout the week. 282 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,640 And then on Saturday he looked pretty good. 283 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,880 On Sunday he had some good runs and I, I, I will say I called 284 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,280 that. That was after I knew that 285 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,760 Penske and Power were, you know, New Garden and Power were going 286 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,360 to be out. But you just look at who was in 287 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:48,440 the Fast 6 and you know, if it wasn't going to be Palo or 288 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,680 Dixon, I was like, it's probably going to be Schwartzman because 289 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,640 Sato's fast. It's to me it's an odd mix of 290 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,880 teams up in the top because you have Schwartzman with Prima 291 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,520 Racing, you have Takuma Sato with Ray Hall, Letterman, 292 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,640 Lanigan Racing. Pato Award is the front row with 293 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,360 Arrow McLaren who's come back from, you know, was it 3 or 4 294 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,160 years ago and they didn't even make the field with what's his 295 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,640 name, the the F1 driver they came in with. 296 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,640 Alonzo. Pete Alonzo and then Alonzo. 297 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,920 A weird hybrid of a Mets. Yeah, I know. 298 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,120 Yeah. Fernando Alonzo didn't make the 299 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,480 race with him. But then you have, you know, 2 300 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,040 Ganasses on Road 2 over, you know, Felix Rosenquist, Meyer 301 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,520 Shanks. And like, obviously this is 302 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,960 partially because Penske didn't run, but just a a weird mix of 303 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,880 like, hey, middle of the front row Meyer Shank. 304 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,320 You know, it's an odd mixing of teams. 305 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:45,080 And for a while there, I'm like, man, Sato, like if Sato Sato's 306 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:50,000 been interesting because when he won his 2nd 500, you and I had 307 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,760 the discussion of like, he's really putting himself up there 308 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,560 in some pretty rarefied air. And I was, that's what I was 309 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,960 thinking is like, dude, if he holds on to the pole, it adds 310 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,760 another. I mean, he's like what, 50 years 311 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,760 old or 49? Like he might have been the 312 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,600 oldest pulse. And like it just adds more to 313 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,120 the legacy. Even a front row start for Sato. 314 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,880 He he quietly has one of the best resumes out there that 315 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,280 probably nobody thinks of for the 500. 316 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,840 I was just thinking like a pole would have been cool. 317 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,840 But I I do like Schwartzman there. 318 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,880 But I'm with you. That's why I was interested in 319 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,320 seeing that did the the the fobby race in 83. 320 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,760 Like I'm curious to see how this shakes out for Schwartzman. 321 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,320 Is he able to lead the first couple laps or is he going to 322 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,120 get stuck in a little bit of traffic and then suddenly shake 323 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,200 down like I just. I'm curious to see how that 324 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,120 goes. You know, it's it's first of 325 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,880 all, Sados 48. You were close. 326 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,480 I think Helios 50, Sados 48. It is. 327 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,720 It is funny. I think about like how like my 328 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,320 mom would make fun of AJ Foyt for racing in the Indy 500 when 329 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,360 he was like 52. And we got our own version of 330 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,800 those guys who were young when we first started watching them. 331 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,200 It's it's this is the circle of life. 332 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,000 Yeah, it is. But yeah, the the Schwartzman 333 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,120 thing is interesting because I I don't worry so much about the 334 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,680 start. I do think that where you get 335 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,960 into trouble as a rookie, especially if you're running 336 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:13,599 your first Oval, is the, the, the, the constant repetition of 337 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:19,560 what you have to do for 800 turns over the course of the 338 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,480 race, The pit stops, the strategy, the traffic that you 339 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,240 run into. And then you think about the way 340 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,440 that the last 15 to 20 laps of basically the last four or five 341 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,440 races have gone and how tight those are. 342 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,000 And we've seen, you know, drivers who have accrued a lot 343 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,440 of miles in prior races are the ones that tend to fare the best 344 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,360 in those. And like the one exception in 345 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:46,040 the last decade is kind of the Rossi win, but that was an 346 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,600 entirely different category because it was a fuel strategy 347 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,200 win. He he wasn't having to race 348 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,800 anybody on that final lap. So I think this is going to be a 349 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,880 much tighter race 'cause I mean, just the, the delta that existed 350 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,200 in 2016 between the cars that were leading and the cars that 351 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,720 were back in the pack has shrunk so much that what you're going 352 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,200 to have is almost certainly several, several cars breathing 353 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,760 down his neck. You know, at the point when it 354 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,120 matters, if he makes it that far. 355 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:16,000 And that's, you know, you think about, you've got accidental 356 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,720 spin outs, you've got stalling the car in the pits. 357 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,400 There's so many things that can go wrong. 358 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,520 And this is a race that is, it is truly an endurance race 359 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,000 masquerading as as a fast Sprint race. 360 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,600 That's something that I think that people forget sometimes. 361 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,880 And that's where the lack of experience on Oval is a problem. 362 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,840 But that doesn't mean you can't get on the pole. 363 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000 And that's where I think that, you know, you got to understand 364 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,040 that distinction. What I think I just want to kind 365 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,200 of work our way down the field and then we'll get to the maybe 366 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,120 the, the, the, the controversy at the end. 367 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,560 I, I look at, but I look at the I, I look at the front 2 rows 368 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,720 and outside of unfortunately Rosenquist, who's kind of the 369 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,960 most boring, like maybe one of the more boring guys is like, 370 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,400 hey, you want to get a band from Sirius to sponsor? 371 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:57,880 Yeah, sure, we'll get Creed. Like there you go. 372 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,800 Very, very Rosenquist ask. But I look at the the 1st 6 373 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,480 drivers and to me there's a really interesting, I love going 374 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,280 into Indy with the storyline for drivers. 375 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,240 And I look at it as like Schwartzman, everything you just 376 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,360 mentioned, like he's fast, he's never won, he's never raced an 377 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:15,960 Oval at all. He didn't really race in the US 378 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,800 much. I can't sound like Jim McKay, 379 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,040 like how how could he do it in Indy? 380 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,840 But. Man is so brave. 381 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:22,680 No, sorry. Go on. 382 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,280 Yeah, is. He going to go 200 miles an 383 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,920 hour, that's unsafe. I, I, I am interested to see how 384 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,120 a rookie is going to fare and if he's able to hang in the, the 385 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:34,320 front pack, like, you know how that's going to be interesting. 386 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,000 If he's there at the end is like, is he going to make a 387 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,720 mistake or is he going to come and, and do something really 388 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,040 amazing? You know, I look at Sado and 389 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,200 award in very similar spots. And then if you're Sado, if he's 390 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,520 able to kind of stay in that front pack most of the day, you 391 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,480 know, when you get to the end, it's like, all right, Sado will 392 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,280 put on a show like Sado is going to go for the win no matter 393 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:54,840 what. That's always exciting. 394 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,200 And I actually put paddle award very much in the same Sado spot 395 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,960 where Sato finished second a couple times, had the wreck with 396 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,000 Dario and was like, he's just like I'm putting myself in to 397 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,720 win, you know. Award is now finished second in 398 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,480 two of the last three, five hundreds. 399 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,720 Kind of a heartbreaking loss last year. 400 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,560 He you saw it in his the way he reacted in the post race. 401 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:19,040 You know, press conferences, I look at award is like, if he's 402 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,440 there at the end, I think he's not going to back down ever 403 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,400 again. And if he's getting about to be 404 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,040 passed, I could definitely see like an Alan, Sir Junior Emerson 405 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,280 fit Apaldi type situation with award. 406 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,800 So I think I'll, I'll take a break before we get to Dixon and 407 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,120 Pelo. But I I look at those 3, I think 408 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:35,760 they're all fascinating in their own way. 409 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,560 If they're at the if they're in the lead pack at the end. 410 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:44,000 So the last time a rookie finished in the top ten was 2020 411 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,120 and it was Potto Ward who finished 6th in that race. 412 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:49,320 Last year Christian Rasmussen finished 12th. 413 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,680 I think the previous year was David Malukas who finished 16th. 414 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,000 It is really hard for rookies to get anywhere close to even the 415 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,600 top five. And, you know, I think that's 416 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,720 important for people to keep in mind. 417 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,160 And again, that doesn't mean Schwartzman can't do it. 418 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:07,560 It just means there's a reason why rookies generally do not do 419 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,080 well in the 500. It is such a unique beast, even 420 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,000 among ovals at this point. And the the track really does 421 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000 kind of have a wife of its own now. 422 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,760 I agree with. You it's not even just him as a 423 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,000 driver, it's it's a rookie team too. 424 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 I mean that's the thing too is there's, there's going to be 6 425 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,760 pit stops, a couple of them be green with a yellow flag, pit 426 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,400 stops where it's kind of a mess. And like that's, that's a lot of 427 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,400 times what puts the lower teams out is they just screw up a pit 428 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,960 stop well. Or even just strategy as just in 429 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,120 general, you know, and you know, when you're pitting and when 430 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:40,560 you're fueling, I mean, it, it is a a huge lift for a rookie 431 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,080 driver to also have a rookie team. 432 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,160 Even if you've got people that have been in the 500 before, 433 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,280 there's a synergy that you generally need that's hard to 434 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,320 get. So, you know, I look at that 435 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,640 front row. I mean, I think this sets up 436 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:58,320 really well for Potto award and look, if there's a year where it 437 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,000 feels like the momentum might be in his favor. 438 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,600 I mean, I mentioned the standings earlier on award is in 439 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,680 fourth, but he's only he's he's three points from being in 2nd 440 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,520 and he's he's got a pole so far this year. 441 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,640 He's got two top fives. He's been overrun kind of by 442 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,440 Paulo, but everybody has. And you know, when you look at 443 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,520 at Arrow McLaren, I mean they are they're clearly a team that 444 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,360 is doing well. Like Christian Lungard, their 445 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,640 other driver is, is right ahead of him in the standings right 446 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:30,920 now. So they've been kind of that 447 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,280 kind of most consistent second tier team or or you know, behind 448 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,960 what Ganassi's done up to this point. 449 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,920 And so, you know, well, Ward knows how to race. 450 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,480 He's had some heart breaks. We've seen that scenario play 451 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,360 out a bunch. I think the sado thing's 452 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:46,400 fascinating, though. You know, to the, and you 453 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,480 mentioned this in your preamble. This is a guy that's won 25 454 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:57,400 hundreds in 2017 and in 2020. And I feel like 2017, it still 455 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,960 kind of feels like how did like, wait, how, how did he win that? 456 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,880 Where did that come from? And then of course, the 2020 457 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,240 race was the race that nobody was allowed in the building. 458 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,480 And so when you think about Sado, and I think we talked 459 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,280 about this maybe last year or the year before, I forget what, 460 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,960 I guess he he he was, I think it was two years ago when he was 461 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,040 with Ganassi and finished 7th that year. 462 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,920 But we were talking about, you know, if you go back and look 463 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:28,240 like everybody focuses on Elio, Rick Mears, AJ Foyt, Alan Sir 464 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,240 Junior, Alan, Sir senior, the guys that have won four, there's 465 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,360 this weird kind of, you know, the the next tier guys and they 466 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:39,040 don't get talked about too much. But the, you know, Bobby Unser 467 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,280 won three Indy 5 hundreds. You know, Johnny Rutherford is 468 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,680 is up in this mix. There's there's guys who have 469 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,800 performed really well, they've won multiple 5 hundreds, but 470 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,280 they've kind of getting lost to time. 471 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,760 Sado, if he can pull something off here and I wasn't expecting 472 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,200 him to have this kind of speed, but for him to be in this 473 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,800 position is really fascinating too. 474 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,040 And I think it's it's one you've got to watch out for because if 475 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,760 there's a guy who is both crazy enough to make like an 476 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,360 outlandish move, but also savvy enough and understanding the 500 477 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,680 enough, like you put a rookie next to Takumo Sato, I'm going 478 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,360 to take Takumo Sato every day of the week. 479 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,280 Yeah. No, 'cause Sato is like, I, I, 480 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,040 I, I'm trying to think of the basketball comp. 481 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,280 He's like Lance Stephenson or something. 482 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,920 He's like, I mean, he's kind of crazy and kind of nuts, but 483 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,720 makes really good aggressive moves. 484 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,680 Like Latrell Sprewell. Yeah, Yeah, Lance was never that 485 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:38,440 good. I mean, let's. 486 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,840 But anyway, so I don't know, I think any, I think any of the 487 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,440 three on the lead on the, the, the front row could win. 488 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,920 But I I'd be surprised if Schwartzman's in it at the end. 489 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,600 I would not be at all shocked if Sado and award were dueling for 490 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,000 the race at the end of things, if that's the way that it worked 491 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,400 out. But you've got, as you 492 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,360 mentioned, you know, a really compelling second row Scott 493 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,560 Dixon, Felix Rosenquist and Alex Pelo. 494 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,080 You know, the the thing about all of those guys is, you know, 495 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,320 Scott Dixon is, you know, everybody as steady as he is, 496 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,680 he's, what, 44 years old at this point? 497 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,320 He's won all of these, these IndyCar Series wins, but he's 498 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,760 only won one Indy. Yeah. 499 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:20,880 And I think this would be the longest. 500 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,360 Gap between Indy 500 wins if he gets it. 501 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,200 Yeah, you know that it would be what, 17 years between? 502 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,760 I mean, which is nuts to think about. 503 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,280 He's always he always seems like he's in the mix and something 504 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,840 always goes like slightly wrong with him at Indy. 505 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,920 It's it's a very odd phenomenon. And I don't totally understand 506 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,000 like why it works out that way for him. 507 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,160 But it is, it is interesting that he's there and he's in this 508 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,640 spot like and you, you know, but you go back and look at his 509 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,760 finishes just over the last decade, you know, he was the 510 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,800 pole sitter in 2017, finishes 32nd, then he finishes 3rd, 511 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:04,040 17th, 2nd, 17th, 21st, 6th, 3rd. It's really feast or famine with 512 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,120 him. But this is his best starting 513 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,720 position since the last pole he won in 2022. 514 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,640 The problem is he finished 21st that year. 515 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,320 So it's almost like the further up he starts, the worse he ends 516 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,400 up going. It's not an ironclad rule, but 517 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,600 it is an interesting thing to watch, especially with a team 518 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,560 that's that good. No, he's, I mean, it's been more 519 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,120 beast than famine. I mean, he, he has a lot of top 520 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:27,840 five finishes in the Indy 500. It but a lot of it for, for a 521 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,400 guy who is so steady and, and always stays out of trouble. 522 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,440 And that's why he wins championships. 523 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,400 He he loses the 500. Some have been some crazy 524 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,800 wrecks, but like, what was it 2 years ago? 525 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,000 He's had a pit speed violation, which is like the most unscot 526 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,400 Dixon thing to do, which I think goes back to the thing you and 527 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,640 I, you know, you always try to remind everyone's like this is 528 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,320 an endurance race. And that's, that's part of not 529 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,480 just for the cars, but for the people and the mentality. 530 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,840 Just keeping your mind locked in, you know, it, it, it would 531 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,520 be at this point, I think I, I've never been a huge fan of 532 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,720 Dixon just because I feel like he's kind of vanilla and boring. 533 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,400 But I the the amount of time in between wins and as much as he's 534 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,360 put in, it would be kind of a cool to see him get a second one 535 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,560 and and then he would honestly vault into that category you 536 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,680 were just talking about. Because suddenly if he's a two 537 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:20,080 time winner with a bunch of 3rd and 4th place place finishes 538 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,040 with everything else he has, you know, he's probably at the top 539 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,600 of that two time winner list. You know the two time winner 540 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,560 list has Asado, but it's like, you know, Montoya, Weldon, Lion 541 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,320 Dyke, dancer, Junior fit, Apalde. 542 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,200 He's probably ahead of all of those names. 543 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:37,440 Yeah, I mean, it's it's a it's a pretty fascinating mix of 544 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,640 people. I mean, you think about the 545 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,120 folks, it just I mean, Scott Dixon needs nothing to validate 546 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,320 his career. And I think that's important to 547 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,800 keep in mind. But but you get right down to 548 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,120 it. I mean, you, you look at the 549 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:54,560 guys who have two, the mother, the modern day guys that have 550 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:02,280 new garden big Asterisk has two, Otto has 2, Juan Pablo Montoya 551 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,840 has 2, Weldon got 2 and that's it. 552 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,920 That's the only guys in the 21st century that have picked up 553 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,440 multiple victories, which is, I think an indicator of how much 554 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,880 parody there's been in the series since, you know, the, the 555 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,120 split And then obviously, I think putting things back 556 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:20,280 together again, I guess just to. Be fair, Dario. 557 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,840 Got 3 and Elio got 4, but yeah, well, yeah. 558 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,120 And that's where like. But again, it's like we think of 559 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,720 Dario and Elio on a completely different level. 560 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,920 Yeah, Yeah. You know, so I almost, Dixon, 561 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,680 this isn't a criticism, but Dixon is kind of in danger of 562 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,080 becoming the Bobby Ray Hall of his generation. 563 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,880 Like a guy who was like mega dominant in the series, but only 564 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,600 one, one Indy 500. Yeah. 565 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,320 So I'm going to skip Rosenquist because the far more interesting 566 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,480 story to me is Pelo. You know, Pelo's a guy that 567 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,400 hasn't won, but he's finished in the last four years he hasn't 568 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,320 won an Oval at all. He hasn't won an Oval, but in 569 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,200 the last four years at Indy he's finished 2nd, 9th, 4th and 5th. 570 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,200 Like he is right there knocking on the door. 571 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,480 And man, you know, you can never really take what goes on in the 572 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,560 series and necessarily apply it to what goes on in the 500. 573 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,600 But this is a car and a team and a driver that are just clicking 574 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,320 on all cylinders right now, or hitting on all cylinders, and it 575 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,800 would be no shock at all, especially starting at the 576 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,320 outside of row 2, if he was able to figure out a way to win this 577 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,840 one. What's interesting is you have 578 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,800 two drivers here, they're both Ganassi's and you know, normally 579 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,080 there's some hierarchy and for years it was, you know, that's 580 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,240 Dixon's team and that, you know, that would be kind of team 581 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,560 orders is Dixon's team. I do wonder if you get to a kind 582 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,640 of a decision point of like, you know, there's a, there's a 583 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,520 yellow at lap 161. It's like, are we going to go 584 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,240 for, you know, pit or then if someone going to try a fuel 585 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,800 strategy, like who, who's getting the preferred treatment 586 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,400 out of those two? Because if they're both in the, 587 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,480 in the mix and I, I just, I, I that's going to be interesting 588 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,800 because Dixon's like the legacy winner, but Pelo's also the, the 589 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,040 young one who has like he is the future of the sport. 590 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,480 That could be an interesting spot that Ganassi's in if he has 591 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,240 to make a call between the two of those that that's what I 592 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,720 wonder could happen there. But no, I mean, ever. 593 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,400 It does feel this feels similarly to like where 594 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,080 Willpower was a little bit of Simon Pagena where they were 595 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,760 just eating up the series but couldn't get a win. 596 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,360 And then that you look back, it's like, Oh yeah, well of 597 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,680 course Willpower and Simon Pagena were going to win the 500 598 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,080 because they were awesome drivers and they finally didn't. 599 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,040 That was kind of what powers thing is powered 1 like a couple 600 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,280 ovals, but not many other maybe with Pagino 2. 601 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,000 And then it's like they they're able to get it done. 602 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,080 And that that feels like where we're at with Palo is it feels 603 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,960 like sometime in the next three or four years, he's going to get 604 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,080 one and then retroactively he'll be like, of of course, he's he's 605 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,520 a really good. Driver absolutely going to to 606 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,760 rows 3 and 4. This is where it gets wonky just 607 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,320 in terms of the guys that are there and you know, the again, 608 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,520 like, I wouldn't be shocked if we got a winner from either of 609 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,880 these two rows, but it we've fallen off the these are sure 610 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,320 things kind of people like if I get these guys in the draw game 611 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,120 on on Sunday morning, I'm going to be a little upset. 612 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,840 But you know, Malukas, you know, I thought it performed very well 613 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,680 in qualifying. You know, Marcus Ericsson's 614 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,200 been. I mean, yeah, fine. 615 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,720 Has a guy fallen off from being a winner as quick as Erickson? 616 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,960 Like he gets changed teams and now it's kind of like, well, 617 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,880 Erickson might be done at the end of this year in IndyCar. 618 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,160 I know. No, it's. 619 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,280 Been that long ago. No, no, he did not win that long 620 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,040 ago. That isn't. 621 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,320 He run in 2022. That's a great. 622 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,720 I mean, yeah, 'cause Pasiono didn't really fall off that 623 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,920 quickly. Ryan Hunter Ray maybe would be 624 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,800 the the last one America but I think he still stayed with 625 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,560 Andretti for like 3 or 4 more years. 626 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,440 Yeah, but he wasn't very good in those three or four years. 627 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,240 I mean, I, I think prior to that you'd have to go all the way 628 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,040 back to Buddy Rice. Yeah, and that was a different. 629 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,200 Era. It was a completely different 630 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:00,880 era. Absolutely. 631 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,800 It's just, it's just weird that he's already changed teams and 632 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,520 it feels like Ericsson's kind of being washed out. 633 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,880 A win here would definitely help, but that's an Andretti 634 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,040 team which has had middling success of the 500. 635 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,480 Yep, obviously McLaughlin we're going to hold to talk about 636 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,760 until later because we really need to tackle all the Penskeys 637 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,320 at once. Connor Daly, you know. 638 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,760 He he has, he has been very fast at it. 639 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,600 Yes. And he had, he had that one 640 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,480 period I think where he led a couple of laps. 641 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,800 So it was at 2020. Three maybe, but this is 1 where 642 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,520 it's like is is Hunkos really going to be a team that gets you 643 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,680 6 blazing pit stops and the best strategy to go up against 644 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,120 everybody else now? The one I'm I'm really curious 645 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,840 about is Alexander Rossi and, and here's why. 646 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,680 Like Ed Carpenter racing has generally been pretty good at 647 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,320 the 500. They they, they do ovals really 648 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,600 well. And this is, I would, would you 649 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,280 say this is the best driver they've had in an Ed Carpenter 650 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,800 racing car at Indy? Yeah, I mean, Ed Carpenter's 651 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,200 been pretty good. I mean, he won two poles, he 652 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,560 finished, but. I think Ed Carpenter's a great 653 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,600 qualifier, OK, But I think as far as like a driver, is this 654 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,240 the best ECR driver that we've seen in a, in a 500? 655 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,360 Probably, yeah, probably. Except, I mean, Newgarden was on 656 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,840 that team for a while. He's just really young, right? 657 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:22,480 Yeah. That I don't. 658 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,280 I mean, I think you can't take embryonic Newgarden. 659 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:25,800 You're right. Yeah. 660 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,960 Yeah. So I think you're probably 661 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,520 right, yeah. And this is a guy who it's been 662 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,400 a weird month for Alexander Rossi. 663 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,000 He his, his wife gave birth to their son like 3 weeks ago or 4 664 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,400 weeks ago. And you know, he was in the the 665 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,760 the top 12, but he was, he ended up finishing last in, in the 666 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,440 qualifying at that level. I don't know. 667 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,240 I'm, I'm just curious to see the, the one thing I worry about 668 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,560 with Alexander Rossi is he was in that Java House commercial, 669 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,080 which if you haven't seen it yet, might have been the worst 670 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,800 IndyCar related ad I've ever seen. 671 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,200 It's not his. Fault, but I worry that the the 672 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,200 the stigma from that might be too much for him to carry into 673 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,120 the race itself. He's also outside of two bad 674 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:14,480 years, his finishes at Indy are 1st, 7th, 4th, 2nd, 27th, 29th, 675 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,800 but then 5th, 5th and 4th. I mean, there's a lot there that 676 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,840 again, he's in kind of that spot where if he gets a second and 677 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,199 he's he's always going to have like he won the 100th running of 678 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,679 the 500. If he gets a second, assuming 679 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,760 it's not also on fuel strategy, that would be a wild way to do 680 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,239 it. But I mean, you get 2, you still 681 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,920 got 2. But if you have two wins with, 682 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,679 you know, a second, 2 fourths and 2/5, it's like another top 683 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:38,280 ten. That's. 684 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,320 That's pretty good for your first ten years at Indy. 685 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,719 And I mean, you go back and look at and I, I'm trying to solve my 686 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,960 own question about the the best ECR driver, you know. 687 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,280 So last year they had Renas, VK and Christian Rasmussen and VK 688 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,880 finished 9th in that race. The previous year VK finished 689 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,840 9th. Conor Daley was racing for them. 690 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,720 He finished eighth. You had Daley finished 6th in 691 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:06,200 2022. I'm going back and looking and 692 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,520 seeing if anybody else challenges. 693 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,920 I forgot about Ed Jones. Ed Jones raced for for ECR and 694 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,920 they finished 13th. Carpenter himself finished 695 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,520 second in 2018 and as you mentioned, New Garden finished 696 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,680 third with them back all the way back in 2016. 697 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,160 That was the same year that Jr. Hildebrand finished 6th for 698 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,880 them. So I'm going to go ahead and say 699 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,640 Alexander Rossi. This vintage of Alexander 700 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,560 Rossi's the best ECR driver that's been in a 500, and this 701 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,960 is a team that is kind of overdue given the number of top 702 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,160 10s that they've had. I think over the course of time 703 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,160 this is a race they always do well and that would be a great 704 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,680 story if you managed a huge. A huge great story locally if 705 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,240 they if ECR is able to win. Getting back into five and six. 706 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,560 So you've you've got Kevin Simpson, who's in that that last 707 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,280 Ganassi vehicle, Ed Carpenter himself, and then of course, 708 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,920 Santino Ferrucci, who's always a wild card. 709 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,280 He's fun, I like him. I mean, it just he feels like a 710 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,240 guy who needs to not be in AJ Foyt Racing team. 711 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:11,080 Like he needs another team drastically, but he's he's raced 712 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,400 very well in the 500. Stingray Rob in the middle of 713 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,040 row six and then you start, you know you're drifting back into 714 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,760 These are the the Howdy Holmes of the. 715 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,200 Of the present day or the OR the the, the Lone Star Jr. in like 716 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:28,480 85 or 86 where it's like, oh man, Rutherford's running again 717 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,160 or Sneva's running. That's kind of. 718 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,800 What I feel with like Hunter Ray and unfortunately probably 719 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,440 Castro Nevis, obviously you've got Kyle Larson, who can we stop 720 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,000 talking about the double? Does anybody actually care about 721 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,040 the double? No. 722 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,960 I, it's, I just feel like it's such an overplayed and I mean, 723 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,880 it's, it's, it's a great accomplishment. 724 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,600 It's an amazing athletic feat. It's just not interesting, 725 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,120 right? But it'd be cool if somebody won 726 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,120 them both. Yeah, Now Kyle Kirkwood, I am 727 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,440 kind of interested in middle of row 8, did not have the 728 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,120 qualifying speed, although he is like the first 3 laps he ran 729 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,760 were OK, but he had that huge fall off on lap four. 730 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,600 I didn't actually see what was the cause of that. 731 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,920 But you know, Kyle Kirkwood has had a good year so far. 732 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,680 He's second overall in the standings. 733 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,960 He's got the only other win outside of Alex Pelo. 734 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,720 And you know, Andretti tends to run well at Indy even if they 735 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:26,520 don't run well elsewhere. It's just a tough spot to be in. 736 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,440 But you look at the number of good drivers with good cars that 737 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,760 are going to have to come from the back. 738 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,440 Like there's no reason why he couldn't do it. 739 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,840 It's just a tough spot because if one thing goes wrong in front 740 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,200 of you there, you're basically you can't do anything about it. 741 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,000 Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, it's it's going to kind 742 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,400 of step on my point for the, the the back, the new garden power. 743 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,240 But I, I look very much like Kirkwood and even a little bit 744 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,640 of Colton Hurda in this area. Hurda really hasn't been set up, 745 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,160 but it's like if you can get through the first couple of 746 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,040 laps, I, I look at that group ahead of him with like, you 747 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,880 know, Cal Mylot and Foster and Stingray Rob and you know, 748 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,920 Rasmuth and I don't, I, I don't, there's a world where Kirkwood 749 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,640 could easily be up in, you know, the 10th spot within 5 laps. 750 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,280 If now, if there's an early wreck and you know, that's kind 751 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,560 of always being in that rows 6 and back, you're always in a 752 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,320 danger zone and laps 1-2 and three, if there's a wreck, you 753 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,440 could just get caught up and be toasted. 754 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,720 But if there's no first lap wreck, I could easily see 755 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:25,000 Kirkwood being somebody who's up in the top 15 by the, you know, 756 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,800 lap 15 and then all of a sudden in the top 8, you know, with 757 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,720 seven, you know, in lap 75. I could see him just slicing up 758 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:35,840 a lot of those people. Graham, Ray Hall, Marco Andre, 759 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,800 you mentioned Colton Hurd back there. 760 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,720 And then of course the back row, you know, if you if you go to 761 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:44,200 the last row party, which I've been to a few times due to media 762 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,400 related things, you know, you're normally getting. 763 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,200 Cal Mylot or. Back Harvey whatever, but no, 764 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,160 you're getting Joseph Newgard and willpower and Enrique in in 765 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,160 media yes, that was amazing. If you told me I was running on 766 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,560 the same Rd. with two Penske's I would have been pretty happy 767 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,600 great wine. I love it. 768 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,640 But no, this is where we need to talk about the Penske situation. 769 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,560 And so you know both all three Penske cars were going to be 770 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:15,400 able they, they were in the fast 12 and then you know the the 771 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,640 attenuator. Well, McLaughlin in the in the 772 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,800 morning, McLaughlin goes out for a practice run and he he wrecks. 773 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,160 So they're they're not even sure they're going to get his car 774 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,920 rebuilt. So he's kind of not basically 775 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,440 out of the fast 12. And then Power and Newgarden go 776 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,600 in for tech. And they fail tech. 777 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:37,080 Well, I'm like not to get too wonky here, but like power 778 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,760 passes tech, yes, correct and new, which is like, So what were 779 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,640 you looking for? And then Newgarden fails, yes. 780 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,480 And then, and then and go back and look at power and realize, 781 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,560 oh, we should have failed you too. 782 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,880 And there's this whole weird scene where there's stuff going 783 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,000 and we're not not sure what they're doing with the parts. 784 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,160 And then we don't know exactly what's wrong with the car. 785 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,160 And then it's finally explained that there's a the, the way that 786 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:02,400 they've routed the, the, the, the, the connector there on the 787 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,320 attenuator. Like they basically like there's 788 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,080 two pieces of the attenuator, like 2 piece of carbon fiber. 789 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,440 There's a lip that creates some drag and basically, I mean they 790 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,040 kind of put like a metal caulking basically to kind of 791 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,960 make it smooth. What was funny is you get your 792 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,680 car on pit lane for qualifying, you're only allowed to do air 793 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,360 temperature and like, you know, a little bit of fuel or 794 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,240 whatever. And it's like they're on pit 795 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:26,120 lane, they're told they can't have this piece and they're like 796 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,400 literally have a blowtorch and they're like chiseling. 797 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,680 It's like, how? How do you think this is legal? 798 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,000 Even if you're allowed to take this off, you can't feel like 799 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,720 chiseling your car on pit lane. Well, and then you know, and 800 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:41,920 then this this whole thing explodes because they they're 801 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,200 not allowed to to race in in the fast 12. 802 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:51,920 And then someone walks over to the IMS museum and discovers 803 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,760 that the winning. Car from last year at the same. 804 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,280 At the same thing going and so the whole debate well then on. 805 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,560 Monday, the car is no longer the museum. 806 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,840 Correct and both power and new garden are moved to the back of 807 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:11,560 the field to 32nd and 33rd. And it's just been a bunch of 808 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,600 controversy since then. And you know what's interesting, 809 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,560 there were calls for, you know, throw them out of the race 810 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,960 entirely. Like a battle award is like it's 811 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,120 kind of sucks for, you know, Abel, who didn't make the race. 812 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,360 Granted Abel was racing a potato out there. 813 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,240 Like, I mean, that was that was one of the worst cars I've seen 814 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:31,360 in a. While out, how about we put the 815 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,040 stuff on your attenuator and if you can make the race, go for 816 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:34,560 it. But. 817 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,160 But it does bring up a whole host of issues when you think 818 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,560 about it in relation to what happened with Joseph Newgarden 819 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,440 and. You're with the push to pass. 820 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,480 Yes, and. Or basically the Penske, I'll, 821 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,280 I'll very quickly make this for those who didn't keep track. 822 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,640 But, and correct me if I'm wrong, but basically, you know, 823 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,800 you had so much push to pass time, which is now hybrid, but 824 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,240 last year you had push to pass buttons and, and basically 825 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,520 Penske was able to modify their car to get unlimited push to 826 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,000 pass as a practice simulation. They forgot to turn it off. 827 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,320 And then new garden was just using push to pass all over the 828 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,560 place. And he said, I didn't know. 829 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,880 But the, The funny thing with that is like tell people who 830 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,640 don't know racing is like the push to pass doesn't work on 831 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,320 restarts. Like that's just that is not a 832 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,040 fact that everybody knows. And if you watch race car 833 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,400 drivers, they got a lot of shit to do in the car. 834 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,880 You just don't push buttons that don't work for no reason. 835 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,360 But yet Newgarden was pushing the push to pass all the time on 836 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,920 every restart. It was like I just. 837 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,480 Wanted to see what would happen. It's like, OK, you don't, You 838 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,000 don't just turn knobs. And like, it's not just like my 839 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,800 5 year old in an aircraft simulator. 840 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,440 Just like, what does this do? And of course, all of this 841 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,880 overshadowed even more by the fact that Rodger Penske owned AT 842 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,880 owner is also Rodger Penske, the series owner and Rodger Penske, 843 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:58,000 the Indy 500 track owner. And so you've got a a good old 844 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,080 fashioned like 1980s style controversy about all of these 845 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,200 teams. And you know, the the the 846 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,440 strategists aren't allowed to to be involved in the race. 847 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,200 And again, right. And it didn't matter last year, 848 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,840 obviously with new Garden, but it just it's it's both. 849 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,280 I, I would most years, I would say this is unfortunate. 850 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,040 I actually would say this is maybe the best thing that could 851 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,680 have happened to Indy this year because of how few real good 852 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,400 storylines there were. And then Qualls, like the second 853 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,600 day of Qualls gave us not just a rookie hole sitter, but also it 854 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,960 gifted us this Penske controversy, one that's not 855 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,640 going to go away. And look, it's not impossible to 856 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,880 start at the back of the field and work your way up. 857 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,720 But you've also got the issue of Scott Mclaughlin's car, which 858 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:51,520 didn't go through inspection. But the idea that two of the 859 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,240 Penske cars had this and the other one didn't would defy any 860 00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:00,440 actual sense of logic or reason. Like I, I refuse to give them 861 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,520 and the benefit of the doubt. And I don't think anybody else 862 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,120 is giving them the benefit of the doubt either at this point. 863 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:10,080 So this is going to be a fascinating dynamic for the fans 864 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,280 and normally that doesn't matter. 865 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,080 But in a completely sold out Indy 500, which is the other big 866 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,760 news that we got this week, the blackouts lifted. 867 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,520 The locals are going to get to see the race for only the second 868 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:27,160 time, the third time, sorry, in the last, what, 100 and however 869 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,560 many years they've been running the race. 870 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:33,760 It's it's just one of that the these fascinating stews of 871 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,240 things where if the Penske cars make their way up to the front, 872 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,240 there's going to be a crapload of booing and people like openly 873 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,760 rooting against them. It it would be amazing theater, 874 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,120 you know, And I don't know if it's going to matter that much 875 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,360 because as we talked about earlier, it's really hard to 876 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,400 make your way through the field, but not impossible. 877 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,840 But it is going to be something everybody is watching from the 878 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,520 word go in this one. Yeah, and and like again, been 879 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,680 talking to my neighbor Dan, who's just not in the racing at 880 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,320 all. And I mean the two things that I 881 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,440 said is the First off, I was like, you know, cheating is not 882 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,800 like it's very similar like stealing signs in baseball with 883 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,680 racing, like everyone's trying to make their cars as good as 884 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,840 possible. So there's probably something 885 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,440 similar to the to the extenuate like that. 886 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,560 Every team has a little bit of something. 887 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,120 They're probably Gray area in the rules. 888 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,040 So I do have a a hard time with any team just calling a foul of 889 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,240 Penske. It's like you probably did 890 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:26,880 something too and didn't get caught. 891 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,520 But it's like this is year 2 of getting caught. 892 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,080 The the other thing that I've I've. 893 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,920 Had but but it's also the series owner too, and that's you. 894 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,160 Know honestly, if this was if this was Errol McLaren, I don't 895 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,560 think anybody would care that much. 896 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,280 No, you're right. The the other piece is that, you 897 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,320 know, people are asking, well, how many times does a car in the 898 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,880 back, you know, one or finish like, well, to me the analogy is 899 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,640 like that would be like saying like how many times a 16 seed in 900 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,920 the tournament made the final four. 901 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:52,960 It's like it hasn't happened a lot. 902 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,080 But this is kind of like taking Duke and making them a 16 seed. 903 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,920 It's like Duke gets punished finally for all of the illegal 904 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,280 recruiting they've done. And it's like, well, you're 905 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,640 going to make the tournament, Duke, but you're a 16 seed, 906 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:05,880 right? And then and. 907 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,280 Then you're like, well, like 16 teams, they don't do very well. 908 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,120 It's like, well, there's this Duke, like this is something 909 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,920 different. It really is yes. 910 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,600 It's, you know, if then that's where I go to like I, I agree. 911 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,000 I think it's great because I was telling, yeah, my neighbor Dan, 912 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,720 like this is going to be awesome because now you can watch the 913 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:23,520 back of the field too. Because if like if there's not 914 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,800 an early wreck or new garden power, don't get caught up in 915 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,680 something. You can watch them carve up the 916 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,720 field. Like how fast can they move up? 917 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,760 I remember it's like 2011, 2010 where Tony Kannan couldn't get 918 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,920 his car qualified and got qualified changes and he started 919 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,120 33rd and hers, his first lap was electric. 920 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,080 He passed like 11 cars. Now Kannan is a special kind of 921 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,440 driver, but I could see Newgarden doing something 922 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,480 similar. I, I could see them both being 923 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,960 aggressive. And I do think if I, I'm never 924 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,360 rooting for Rex, like I'm rooting for a clean first couple 925 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,040 of laps because I want to see how these guys start moving and 926 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,920 maneuvering. And I, I do think it adds a 927 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,040 whole nother level. That's kind of fun that I almost 928 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,840 think we should just do every year. 929 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,640 We should just like like like the bottom, the bottom three of 930 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,480 the fast 11 like you are the back row. 931 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,480 Well, and then you you made a good point about the cheating. 932 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,120 I mean, it's, it is something that happens in every series of 933 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,400 racing, like from go karts through sprints all the way up. 934 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,960 I mean, watch, watch drive to Survive and you'll see it there 935 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,600 too. It, it's just part of it. 936 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,800 Now, the bigger problem for Indy, and I don't know how they 937 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,680 address this, it's they can't do anything about it this year, but 938 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,040 how the hell does one car get through inspection and then the 939 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,600 second car doesn't get through inspection And then you go back 940 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,160 and you look at the first car, you're like, oops. 941 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,280 And then last year's car, what's inspection? 942 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,000 And again, it's like, I think Alexander Rossi's car when it 943 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,040 won in 2016 failed some aspect of inspection. 944 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,840 Like it's not like this is unique to Penske. 945 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,920 The problem is it's Penske's inspectors like it because he 946 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,040 owns the track and he owns the series. 947 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,360 So it's really hard in this scenario to look at it and say, 948 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,760 yeah, you know, this all this is fine. 949 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,600 This happens all the time because it just it, it doesn't 950 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,720 like that. And you know, I mean, what was 951 00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,080 it? I think F1, you know, the, the 952 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,920 management of F1 and the like, the media of F1 have to be 953 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,160 completely divested here. It's all in one. 954 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,160 It's all under one roof because it's a much smaller series from 955 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,800 a financial perspective. And so it's just it's again, 956 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,080 it's not going to ruin the 500. It's not going to ruin the 957 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,200 series. It's not going to ruin the 958 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,680 reputation of any one of the drivers. 959 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,320 Although Joseph Newgarden, I think for most people now, 960 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,240 they're just kind of like, I'm not really, I'm not seeing like 961 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,280 the, the, the, the, the image that gets projected because of 962 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,400 how photogenic new garden is and how good he is with the press is 963 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,360 really running counter to what you're seeing out of these sorts 964 00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,160 of incidents where it's like you can't keep saying, gosh, I had 965 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,440 no idea. It's very Rick Pitino like. 966 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,280 Well, the other thing you have with new garden, that name drop. 967 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,280 I got to meet Ari Leyendyke this this season. 968 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,120 He came into one of the the suites I was in for for one of 969 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,720 the practice. Days, folks, I got the preview 970 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,040 of this from Scott. It was not nearly as exciting as 971 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:17,960 you would think it would have been. 972 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,240 He wasn't, he wasn't as much fun as you thought, but he was 973 00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,800 talking about stewarding. But the point that I'm getting 974 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,960 to is that. We talk about getting getting 975 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,800 his his shit smacked and and and pit lame by AJ Forge at all. 976 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,480 I did not mention, I didn't ask him about that. 977 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,560 He did not not talk about that. But but you know, the other 978 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,080 thing that is we're going to be curious about at the end of the 979 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,840 race is, you know, the the return of the snake and kind of 980 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,360 the the crazy ending. But this goes into last year 981 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,600 where Newgarden blatantly just went way past the line and 982 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,520 somebody was asking, you know, line deck about that because 983 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,200 he's one of the stewards. It's like, well, you're not 984 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,280 really allowed to do that. We're going to look at that. 985 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,720 It's like, but you're not like you're not just going to call 986 00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:00,480 somebody's win off. And but this is again goes the 987 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,120 Newgarden thing where he is really playing in the Gray 988 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,640 because last year was very much like they did the snake two 989 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,880 years ago. You know, Marcus Ericsson tried 990 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,000 the snake and last year new guard was kind of just like F 991 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,680 it, like I'm going to take this thing all the way down. 992 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,080 I'm going way under that line and like penalize me if you 993 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,160 want. I'm curiously how that how how 994 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,000 the last couple laps go again, because this is something where 995 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,960 IndyCar it it it puts racing in a tough spot because you don't 996 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,640 want to end the the Super Bowl on a pass interference. 997 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,880 You want to end a race on a blocking pass, the lane call. 998 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,480 But you also, you have to have some kind of like, that's pit 999 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,280 lane. This is not, this is the racing 1000 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,400 line. Like at some point you have to, 1001 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,760 it does feel like they've lost control of the last couple, the 1002 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,560 last couple laps because it's like you're snaking and you're 1003 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,480 going all these places you're not supposed to go. 1004 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,240 At some point, either it needs to stop or the series is going 1005 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:54,680 to have to penalize somebody harshly to cut all this crap 1006 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,320 out. It's such and this actually is 1007 00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,000 where we tie in the 83 race again, in that when you go back 1008 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,320 and watch those old races, you know, the beginning of the 83 1009 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,000 race, they replay the last couple of laps of the 82 race, 1010 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,560 which is of course, the famous Gordon John Cock, Rick Mears 1011 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,960 finish where John Cock holds off Mears after Mears passes him on 1012 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,080 the front stretch on the final lap. 1013 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,360 And then John Cock cuts him off in the first corner and holds 1014 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,600 him off on the back stretch. And you know, Jim McKay is 1015 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,600 constantly like, I've never seen anything like this before. 1016 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,440 And and it's like, OK, calm down, Jim. 1017 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,280 But to some degree, he hadn't seen anything like that before, 1018 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,600 at least not an Indy because there were not close IndyCar 1019 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,560 finishes. And the the rare ones we would 1020 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,680 get 8289, which didn't, wasn't an actual finish, but it was 1021 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,240 going to be if not for the, you know, the, the, the touching in 1022 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:48,480 turn 392. And then it started happening 1023 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,320 more regularly. And now with these cars being so 1024 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,680 fast and so close together, and frankly, the average ability of 1025 00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,240 the drivers having gone way up in the last 15 years, Indy never 1026 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:04,800 really had to reckon with the idea that if you race the way 1027 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,680 that you race the rest of the of the, of the race, you're going 1028 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,160 to get past. So what do you do if you're 1029 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,120 leading and you can't just not lead like you, you know, 1030 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,320 voluntarily not leading is kind of dumb, but it ends up creating 1031 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,400 the situation where the driver's like, well, we're going to take 1032 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:23,960 it in our own hands because we're not just going to be 1033 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,400 sitting ducks, right? But that's where the series, and 1034 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,720 I think with this particular race has to figure something out 1035 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,760 because the snake thing, it's it's dangerous. 1036 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,240 First of all, like, I mean, we're we're one. 1037 00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:39,600 And you know, you think about the the past attempt that Sato 1038 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,160 tried. What race was that where he 1039 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,880 crashed? Was it against Frank Kitty? 1040 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,040 Frank Kitty's last one was 12, so it must have been 12. 1041 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,160 That that that move attempt in turn 1, I think it was that ends 1042 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,200 up with him crashing, right? Everybody's like, what the hell 1043 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,080 is he doing? That's basically what's 1044 00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,640 happening in all of these snakes. 1045 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,680 It's not passing per SE, but like the wild, you know, moves 1046 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,920 up and down the track and everything else going on. 1047 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,400 All it takes is like 1 slowing car or one person, a rookie 1048 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,520 perhaps trying to keep up with that. 1049 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,360 But it's also, it just kind of, it's like the that part of the 1050 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,080 race becomes completely detached from the entire rest of the 1051 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,200 race. And I've always felt that in 1052 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,160 whatever sporting event you're talking about, that's a terrible 1053 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,520 way to end things. And so I, I don't know how to 1054 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,280 fix it other than you got to actually call penalties. 1055 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,280 But then you get to that situation that you just 1056 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,480 described where you're ending on a penalty. 1057 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,840 But then if you're not going to do that, then you're going to 1058 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,240 have this situation a third year in a row and you know enough 1059 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:45,000 people are sore about it after two years in a row. 1060 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,600 I have a hard time seeing it being something that people sit 1061 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,880 back and just be like oh that's fine for 1/3 time. 1062 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,320 I I agree, and I mean, the other thing with a snake is you're 1063 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,280 going to get into it at some point. 1064 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,560 It's like if someone doesn't snake, it's like, I'm just going 1065 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,680 to go out. Then you could just like get 1066 00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,640 taken out. I mean, I'm you're worried about 1067 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,520 a car hitting the, the attenuator on the way to 1068 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,960 gasoline alley, but it I don't quite know what the solution is 1069 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,360 because you also worry if you're like, right, I'll snake, but 1070 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,320 I'll, I'll, I won't go all the way down. 1071 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,280 What if somebody else goes down and passes you or you don't go 1072 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,680 down far enough? So somebody could just SWIP 1073 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,960 around your top it as you said, they almost have to do this and 1074 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,040 they see that it works and it becomes so hard. 1075 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,280 I mean, this is also a problem of a series that you basically 1076 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:28,160 have the exact same chassis since 2012, I think, or 2011 and 1077 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,320 you you had no real upgrades to the arrow of this car. 1078 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,000 So that, you know, that was always something different is 1079 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,160 that, you know, they would be like year 2 or year 3. 1080 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,280 And like they, they've kind of perfected everything they can do 1081 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,720 with this chassis. And that's the problem is it's, 1082 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,360 you know, it, it, I, I don't know what the solution is, but 1083 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,000 you're right. It, you know, 3 because I 1084 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,040 remember when, when Kannan won in 2013, it was very much just 1085 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,680 about all right. We just don't want to lead the 1086 00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,200 last lap. So it was like everyone was 1087 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,440 jockeying to be second and that was kind of how they figured it 1088 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:02,640 out. But now it's almost like the 1089 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,360 next evolution of, you know, now we're going to shoot corner 1090 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,280 threes is what we turned into the snake. 1091 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,280 You almost need just an all new aero kit just so that everyone's 1092 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,440 trying to figure stuff out again. 1093 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,200 But I'm I'm with you. I it's going to end with either 1094 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,640 a wreck or having to call a penalty. 1095 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,520 Yeah. Maybe that. 1096 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,960 Maybe of all years, this is the year that Newgarden wins, but he 1097 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,400 snakes in such a fashion they call a penalty. 1098 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,240 That would be. Wild what? 1099 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:31,320 What about a situation like that where they like he wins, but 1100 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,400 they penalize him and the wind goes to a ward or something? 1101 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,240 It's one of those deals where that would be. 1102 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,040 I I would be shocked if that was what happened, but it was 1103 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,560 theater, man, that would be amazing. 1104 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:43,920 Yeah. That would bring you what? 1105 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,960 That was always a talk like who, what winner would get the 1106 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,160 IndyCar back in the news? Like, that would probably get 1107 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:53,520 IndyCar back in the news, Yeah. 100% Well, OK, we got we're 1108 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,800 we're almost at the hour mark, so we should probably wrap up. 1109 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,720 So who's your pick to win the race this year? 1110 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:14,640 That's a great question. I my everything I'm going to go 1111 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,600 with paddle award it it feels like it might be his time. 1112 00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:22,960 Yeah, I'm I'm just going to say award. 1113 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,640 I really want to pick pillow. I would love to say one of the 1114 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,120 Penske drivers are going to come through, but I I think award, 1115 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,480 although I wouldn't, I wouldn't sleep on McLaughlin because I 1116 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,160 think he's starting in a better spot. 1117 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,680 I think the Penske teams are going to come with a chip on 1118 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:41,960 their shoulder to try and prove. But yeah, I I think paddle award 1119 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,040 seems right to me. What about you? 1120 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,640 I was. Also going to go with Pelo. 1121 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,440 It just feels like a boring call. 1122 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,720 And so you know what, I'm going to go a little off the grid, but 1123 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:52,800 but I'm going to call back something that I was talking 1124 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,680 about earlier. I will I will pick Rossi. 1125 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,760 I like it in this. I, I just, it feels he's been 1126 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,320 very under the radar all month, But we know that Ed Carpenter 1127 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:03,680 racing knows how to race at Indy. 1128 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,640 We know that Rossi knows how to race at Indy. 1129 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,760 And I think if he can keep his head down and keep himself in 1130 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,200 the top 10 for a decent amount, that team's not going to make a 1131 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,680 ton of mistakes. They're going to play smart 1132 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,920 strategy. And I think between the, the, 1133 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,280 the, the sheer red hot hatred that Arrow McLaren has for 1134 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,760 Ganassi in particular, might end up with those two teams kind of 1135 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,920 almost psyching each other out. And you know, if you've got 1136 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,240 someone that can come in and just be steady throughout all of 1137 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,480 that, I think if he's got the machinery underneath him and I 1138 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,480 think he does, I mean, you're not talking about a huge 1139 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,480 difference. You know, the, the top 1140 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:50,680 qualifying Ganassi car is at 232 point O 5 and Rossi's at 231.7. 1141 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,560 Like, you're not talking about a whole bunch of variation in 1142 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,520 terms of speed. So I'll, I'll go with him. 1143 00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,960 I, I, I think honestly, though, you could just throw a dart at 1144 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,000 anybody in the top 12. And with maybe the exception of 1145 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,520 David Malukas, I wouldn't be shocked if any of them won the 1146 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,760 race. I'll ask you this, do new garden 1147 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,920 and or power get up in the top five you. 1148 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,200 At the end of the race or at some point during the race. 1149 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,680 Near the end, because at some point you can always be, you can 1150 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,360 always lead on to some kind of crazy fuel strategy or pit 1151 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,040 thing, but you do you think they'll be legitimately in 1152 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,080 contention in the top five? I think power will be. 1153 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:36,320 I think Joseph Newgarden has invited the wrath of the racing 1154 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:41,040 gods, I think. I think he would have been fine 1155 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,440 if he hadn't decided to go jogging during the Fast 6, or 1156 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,760 maybe I think it was during the bump period. 1157 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,360 But I think that that was taunting the gods just slightly. 1158 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,160 And I just you just can't do that in Indy. 1159 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,760 Yeah, I'll go commune with them later and see if I was actually 1160 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,920 correct that that would be. So I, I, I, I, I think power, 1161 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,680 Power weirdly has been under the radar. 1162 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,960 I kind of feel like Power got kind of swept up in this a 1163 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,040 little bit. But he has not had a great year, 1164 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,800 but obviously he's having a terrible year either. 1165 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,200 He's 7th overall, he's got three top fives. 1166 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,680 So and he's he's just been kind of quietly there throughout the 1167 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,720 course of the season. And obviously we know that he 1168 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:20,920 knows how to win in India as well. 1169 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,840 So I I think he'll be in contention at the end. 1170 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,280 The last question I'll let you run with because this is your, 1171 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,040 your, your beat, so to speak. But the weather, the, the only 1172 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,920 thing we didn't mention, it's gonna be cold day. 1173 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,200 You know, it's going to be the last. 1174 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,800 I mean, I, I remember in 92 it was like 58°. 1175 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,000 And that was when Roberto Guerrero just spun out into the 1176 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,400 wall when he was in pole position. 1177 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,960 It was colder, wasn't it? It was cold, so it's not going 1178 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,600 to be that cold, but you're only talking of a high of 66. 1179 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,200 But you and I couple days ago were like, the weather looks 1180 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:48,440 awesome. This is what you want and 1181 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,320 suddenly rain is coming back into the forecast. 1182 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,360 It's like showers in the morning 57% but you you have better 1183 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,800 weather skills and and forecasting that I do. 1184 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,680 What do you think the cold is going to play any effect in the 1185 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,160 race? But then also, what do you think 1186 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,920 the weather for race day is going to be like? 1187 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:11,600 So just just for the record, about 92, I was talking to, to 1188 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,440 our friend Tricia Whitaker about this this morning cause 'cause 1189 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,600 we're like talking about plans to go to the race. 1190 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,120 And, and you know, she, she used to be a reporter in Indy 1191 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,720 covering the race. And you know, I was like, 1192 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,160 normally I die at the race because it's too hot. 1193 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,960 And that's been the pattern. Like we had that one race a 1194 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,600 couple years ago when I think the heat index was like 108. 1195 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,840 It's been a while since we had even something that I would call 1196 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,160 like temperate for the race last year was the closest and that 1197 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,040 didn't count because of the rain and the extended time period and 1198 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,800 the cloud cover. That 92 race in the morning, it 1199 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:50,640 was 48°F with winds gusting to 23 miles an hour, which meant 1200 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:55,640 that the wind chill was at 28°, which is why Roberto Guerrero 1201 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,760 spins out at the start of that race. 1202 01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,240 It's not going to be that cold, thank God. 1203 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,760 But right now, you know, depending on what Weather 1204 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,840 Service you're looking at, what we're looking at for the the 1205 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:13,560 forecast right now for that day, as far as what I look at, I 1206 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:18,640 don't think it's going to rain. The forecast is for 65 with a 1207 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:24,120 real feel of 67, slight breeze times of clouds and sun. 1208 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,480 So even if there is sun, you're talking about a pretty chilly 1209 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,520 track, which is, but it's not going to be a cold track. 1210 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,520 And a chilly track will make for some incredible racing because 1211 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,000 everybody's going to have an insane amount of grip. 1212 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:39,840 It's kind of what happened with Qualls. 1213 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,960 Like qualifying this year was not that warm. 1214 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,560 I mean, I think it was what, 7073 or 72 on both days of 1215 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:50,200 qualifying. So I think the result of that is 1216 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:55,240 going to be less tire degradation and a lot of teams 1217 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,760 trying to figure out like how long they can make their tires 1218 01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,640 last, which is probably going to lead to some weird fuel strategy 1219 01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,360 because you're going to want to stretch your tanks out as long 1220 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,600 as possible because you're not going to need the tires. 1221 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:11,600 And so that is, I think unfortunately, unfortunately in 1222 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,280 big parentheses, they don't really care that much. 1223 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,120 But unfortunately it favors the teams that understand how 1224 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,560 strategy works at Indy. So I think the Ganassi's, the Ed 1225 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,640 Carpenters, the Penske's are going to have a lot of an 1226 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,000 advantage because they're going to understand how that works. 1227 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,040 So I I think it'll benefit the teams and the drivers that know 1228 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,960 what they're doing already and it'll make for a really fast 1229 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,160 race as long as people don't get like over their skis in terms of 1230 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,640 how they're approaching things. As you say that it makes me, I, 1231 01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,200 I, I could, I wish I could bet on like the set from all of 1232 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,120 that, it sounds like there actually could be somebody who 1233 01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,840 runs out of gas. Oh, I mean, it wouldn't shock me 1234 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,560 at all. Didn't that miss Dixon one year 1235 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,000 as well? I think so. 1236 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,840 He's had some weird. Mistakes for a good team yeah, 1237 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,760 yeah. So look and if if honestly, if 1238 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,040 it's 65 with a real feel of 67 sign me up. 1239 01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,560 That's great. That's that's that's light 1240 01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,200 hoodie weather. I'll, I'll take it compared to 1241 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:03,960 some of the other races that we've had over the course of the 1242 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,240 last 15 years weather wise. Going back to the 83 race, just 1243 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:11,480 because I watched it like Sneva wins and he's he ends up saying 1244 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,200 he only like his, his fuel light went on with five laps to go. 1245 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,440 But they were talking about that on the on the race. 1246 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,840 But it was funny. It's like they basically send 1247 01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,080 someone to the moon because they're like asking his his his 1248 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,800 crew chief, like how's the how's, how much? 1249 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,800 We don't know. Like they're doing calculations 1250 01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,560 and like they're like Sneeva doesn't know either. 1251 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,080 He doesn't know what the like nobody knows how much gas he 1252 01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,760 has. And, and it's like it's just 1253 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:31,920 they're sitting there doing it. Sorry. 1254 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,120 They're they're doing like stuff on paper. 1255 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,520 What is funny, at one point, at one point this is like in the 1256 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,200 middle of the race, they show a shot of Pensky's pits and he has 1257 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,200 like a dot matrix printer printing. 1258 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,920 Out like it's. Like, oh, Penske with a computer 1259 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,640 in the pits, like, Oh my God, like they really bring it all 1260 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,320 out for this. Like he, he might as well have 1261 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,040 been printing out like a print banner. 1262 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,120 Like, you know, one of those print shot banners. 1263 01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,440 He's just running the Dow Jones. You know, I just, it's just got 1264 01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:58,480 the ticker tape going. He's. 1265 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,880 A Kodak is not doing as well. Like, Oh my God, the print. 1266 01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,680 They brought a computer. But it's like it was so funny 1267 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,120 that there's like Sneva doesn't know. 1268 01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,160 It's nobody knows how much gas he has and in a way it was 1269 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,520 almost more fun that way than than now where they know 1270 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,360 everything. Then it's wild. 1271 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,360 It's, it's, it's funny and amazing and it's, it's awesome 1272 01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,280 how much the race has changed and yet how much it's very much 1273 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,880 kind of the same and just different, different shades of 1274 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,680 the same colors over time. So no, it's a it's a great time. 1275 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,800 I hope everyone has a fantastic time there and the other sell 1276 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,520 out. You get to watch it on TVII do 1277 01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,880 wonder if this is going to be a new well, I know we got to wrap 1278 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,640 up, but like I do wonder with Fox coming on, you know the the 1279 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:45,160 idea of a sell out. It'll you know, game bridge has 1280 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,800 a certain number of seats When they sell out, they sell out and 1281 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,560 normally a couple singles here and there you can call sell out 1282 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,760 IMS. It's like they used to count 1283 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,400 standing room only as part of like it. 1284 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,640 It very much felt like they could control if they wanted to 1285 01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,600 sell out or not. I do wonder with the new 1286 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,080 broadcast coming in, if this is kind of like, hey, man, if you 1287 01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,200 get close, you got to start calling it or this is going to 1288 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:13,040 be the new way they do it or Fox push this because it it feels 1289 01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,880 like most years they can call a sell out every year. 1290 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,800 They're always kind of like using standing room only or a 1291 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,480 couple of singles as reasons why they're not calling a sell out. 1292 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,200 They but look, the fact they sold out the grandstands and you 1293 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,320 know, you're always can sell more infield tickets if you 1294 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,880 wanted to, but the fact that they're using that as the metric 1295 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,040 is great. Look, I've said for years, 1296 01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,280 years, you've heard me say this, like if the biggest mistake that 1297 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,480 Indy makes every year is not showing the race on local 1298 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:45,800 television because you lose the ability to cultivate new fans, 1299 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,480 and I'm sorry, Gen. Xers. 1300 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,840 I'm sorry, Baby Boomers. I'm sorry, elder millennials. 1301 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,240 Nobody in Gen. Alpha, nobody in Gen. 1302 01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,480 Z wants to sit there and listen to the race on the goddamn 1303 01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,720 radio, right? OK, that's I I know we did it in 1304 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,800 the 80s, OK? I did it in the 80s, too. 1305 01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,040 Nobody wants to do that now. People want to see these things. 1306 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,120 They need to see them. There's no reason why you 1307 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,360 shouldn't cultivate people more through getting them watching 1308 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,720 the races, and Indy 500 is your crown jewel. 1309 01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:14,720 You need to have it on television. 1310 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,320 Indiana, which is where most of your fans live. 1311 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,400 You know this is where your power base for the entire series 1312 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,560 is based out of this state. When you've had it on TV two of 1313 01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,680 the last like 7 years and it hasn't, it hasn't hurt ticket 1314 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,560 sales so. I mean it. 1315 01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,720 Really is, as you said, like it truly is. 1316 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,160 It is just different to experience in person. 1317 01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,040 I've been to tons of different sporting events. 1318 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,000 You know, this is one of those that it really, you know, hockey 1319 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,800 is close, but this is one that just does not replicate on TV 1320 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,960 like you just if you go it is a different experience and it's. 1321 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,760 Great in person, but it's not the same, you know, I mean, as 1322 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,960 watching it on TV where it's packaged like an NFL game where 1323 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,600 you can see what's all going on and you can get the drama like 1324 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,280 you really, if you're in the infield, you're not really 1325 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,040 getting a sense of what's going on in the race and that's not 1326 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:02,840 what you're there for. But if you're even if, if you're 1327 01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,760 in the stands, unless you know how to watch the race and how to 1328 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,080 keep track of what's going on and how to look for what you're 1329 01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,640 looking for, that takes a while to learn. 1330 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,640 I, I've watched it on TVIII was spoiled. 1331 01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,120 Like I grew up in a house where we had a big dish satellite. 1332 01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,040 And so I would I watch the race every year. 1333 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,560 You know, I didn't go in person until I was 21, and I love 1334 01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,640 going. I go every year I could. 1335 01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,160 I know how to watch. I know how to get it on TV, Even 1336 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,400 if, you know, even without the blackout being lifted. 1337 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,840 But the point is that shouldn't be a choice you have to make if 1338 01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,800 you're growing up in a place where the race is this 1339 01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,840 important. And that's, that's, you know, so 1340 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,600 I also, the last thing I'll say on this, this is huge for Fox 1341 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,640 'cause it is going to Jack the ratings through the roof from 1342 01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,000 where they would have been without the Indianapolis market 1343 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,280 showing the race. And that makes a huge 1344 01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:57,000 difference, especially in a year where all race like ratings are 1345 01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,320 down, NASCAR's down, Indycar's down. 1346 01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,600 You know, I think I think Long Beach was up and I think the 1347 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,080 other races have been down compared to last year. 1348 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,840 It's kind of a general cycle in television. 1349 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,520 This will be a big boost for Fox. 1350 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,400 And I think that that's a big thing given that this is the 1351 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,120 first year. If we could just get them to 1352 01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:17,200 please, like just just send Chris Myers somewhere else, just 1353 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,319 just, if he cannot say Indy 500, if he keeps saying Daytona 500, 1354 01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:23,279 he probably shouldn't be part of the crew. 1355 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,240 They've got plenty of great people in the Fox stable, like 1356 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:30,560 bring Jenny Taft, bring somebody who knows what they're talking 1357 01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,600 about. And, and that would be my one 1358 01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,120 piece of advice there. So fair enough. 1359 01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,960 You know, they they brought us tom-tom Brady and Strahan. 1360 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,160 And then I think Caitlin Clark's doing the flag. 1361 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:41,640 We haven't gotten the the national anthem singer yet. 1362 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,560 And then Gronk is in the the Snake pit, although I've heard 1363 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,960 snake pit sales are not as good as they have been in the past. 1364 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,120 So Gronk is not obviously the the EMX poll that he might 1365 01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:51,479 thought he was. The what? 1366 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,960 That he thought the EMX or EMEDMEDM. 1367 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:55,920 Yeah, yeah. EDM. 1368 01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,080 Obviously not. Not my, not my kind of music. 1369 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,720 What the hell is? EMX it's it's the new version of 1370 01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,920 music really OK above. EDM. 1371 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,080 Before we go, I'm going to search EMX and just see what it 1372 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,439 is on Google. EMX EMX royalty company 1373 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,960 headquartered in Vancouver, is explores for and generates 1374 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,600 royalties for metals and mineral properties. 1375 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,479 So hey, if you want a sponsorship EMX, we've got to 1376 01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,960 use promo code metals. We're we're 20% off your first 1377 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,120 dunk in the home field and we're picking EMX up. 1378 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,680 I love it. So all right, that'll wrap it 1379 01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,359 up. Let's we'll see you folks if if 1380 01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:38,720 you're at the race. Double. 1381 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,399 You talked me, we're both doing the double. 1382 01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,720 We're doing the double. I'm gonna, yeah, be excited. 1383 01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:46,000 It's going to be amazing. It's going to be a long, long 1384 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,160 day. Race in the at the midday and 1385 01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:54,400 then Pacers AT8II. Ice coffee is going to get me 1386 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,520 through a. Lot of Pepsi 0 for me, I think, 1387 01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,280 but a lot of coffee in the morning and then the Pepsi Zero 1388 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,320 later. You know, we'll get some get 1389 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:03,760 some caffeine in us as we move forward. 1390 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,160 Anyway, that'll wrap it up for this edition for Indy 500 1391 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,320 preview. As always, a fun time, Scott. 1392 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,320 Thank you. Scott's got his car back out 1393 01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:12,680 again. Thanks to you folks for 1394 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,840 listening in. Be sure to check us out on 1395 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,560 YouTube. Be sure to subscribe to the sub 1396 01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,400 stack and be sure to tune in for all the IU football, basketball 1397 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,600 coverage and everything else that we do for Scott. 1398 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,040 I'm Galen. We'll catch you folks. 1399 01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,000 On the flip side, this is Crimson cast. 1400 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,240 Stay never daunted. Bring back the Bison. 1401 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:29,920 So long, everybody.