1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,200 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:22,720 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 3 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,320 GAIL and. Clavio solo here for a short 4 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,840 pod, we've got the bulk of our. Programming going on. 5 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,840 Live Today in Bloomington. Recording this at 9:30-ish. 6 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:37,320 On the morning of. Saturday, February 8th. 7 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,880 If you're going to be in. Bloomington, we hope. 8 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,040 To see you later. Today, hopefully you're getting 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,760 a chance to listen to this. Maybe you're driving to the 10 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,680 game, maybe you're just hanging out at home. 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,200 But I will be. At the upstairs. 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,480 Pub along with Scott from Crimson Cast during the game 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,800 we'll be talking about everything and we'll also be 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,200 kind of narrating the game and we'll do a little bit of a 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,599 halftime podcast and then after the game at the upstairs. 16 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,600 Pub we'll have. The assembly call crew, we'll 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,560 have the doing. The work crew, or at least part 18 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,200 of them. And several. 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,240 Other of our favorite folks. From the back home network. 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,720 All at the upstairs pub. The event today. 21 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,720 Sponsored. By Jack Fire Breakfast. 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,200 Club going on as we speak the. T-shirts. 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,440 They've always got T-shirts. 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All right, we got to talk. 69 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,080 About the big news, I've had people. 70 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,920 Banging on the door. Asking when are you guys going 71 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:22,680 to podcast about Woodson? And. 72 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,600 Scott and I are going to have some extensive. 73 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,760 Thoughts that will probably. Pot on Sunday about so stay 74 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,120 tuned for that I'm I want to get. 75 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,360 Scott's full thoughts. On this, we've obviously been 76 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,520 circling around this situation for quite a while, but I wanted 77 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,800 to get something briefly out. Before the festivities got 78 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,800 started today and just. Talk a little bit about the 79 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,800 sequencing of all of this and just what to think about 80 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,680 everything, including how to think about the coaching search 81 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,520 as it is now, I guess underway it. 82 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,120 It's interesting because I think anybody who watched the 83 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,040 Wisconsin game. You could see that. 84 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,960 Opening was just. Kind of like the the bad dream 85 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,200 of the Louisville. Game come back to life. 86 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,560 Again. And you know. 87 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,880 Illinois game was the same way. It's just. 88 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,400 Clear that this this. Team and this coach were not on 89 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,440 the same page. Hadn't been, really. 90 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,160 For the whole season. And you know you. 91 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,000 You go down the list of of games. 92 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,200 This year, that IU. Could point to as 93 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,280 accomplishments. There's one and it's the game at 94 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:28,720 Ohio State, and it was a game that they almost blew. 95 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,680 The rest of the. Season has just been really 96 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,480 disappointing they've. Beaten pretty much everybody. 97 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,960 That they should beat and they've lost to pretty much 98 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:37,880 everybody. That you would have thought 99 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:38,560 they. Would have lost. 100 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,960 To and that. Follows a pattern that we saw 101 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,840 last year where you know, you really, you go down the list of 102 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:48,520 games Indiana won and lost. You could point to the Wisconsin 103 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,640 and Michigan State games at home as being perhaps you know, 104 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,400 something small to get excited about. 105 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,560 But it was a very similar pattern last year, like just go 106 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,720 down the list. The The best teams that Indiana 107 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,600 beat is generally at Assembly Hall, and they just didn't do 108 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,880 enough to compete for a tournament spot. 109 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,040 And that was the. Trajectory this team was on this 110 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,800 year and it was getting ugly with Woodson being on the bench 111 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,640 and fans getting more and more upset. 112 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,280 And it, you know, this is one of those situations where I think 113 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:21,840 IU fans, there are certainly IU fans that don't behave well 114 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:25,200 online. That's been the case ever since 115 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,600 I've been online. I mean, I can still remember as 116 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,160 a young like 1516 year old in the very early days of the 117 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,280 Internet hopping on what at the time were the Indy Star forums 118 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:39,400 and just being like my God, this is the IU fanbase. 119 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,640 And of course, it's just a small. 120 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,520 Subset of the. Online fanbase, but we were 121 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,360 starting to see some. Spillover in terms of. 122 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,040 Just people getting really. Frustrated. 123 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,640 Like otherwise very reasonable normal people. 124 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,200 Just really. Done with this team, with this 125 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,600 coach. With the way that. 126 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,000 The program has been. Run and. 127 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,800 You know, I, I this was a. Potential flashpoint this 128 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,520 weekend with Dusty May coming back to town having turned 129 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,120 around Michigan, you know, not into a national title contender, 130 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,600 but turn them around quite a bit from what they were last year 131 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,320 and IU. Despite all the. 132 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,000 Promises that were made about a roster that was going to compete 133 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,120 and potentially be able to win a Big 10 title. 134 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,800 Or or get to. The Sweet 16 or beyond, clearly 135 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,720 stuck in the mud. You know, you, you've seen the 136 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,000 empty seats if you've been to Assembly Hall this season, Even 137 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,400 in, in, you know, games against Big 10 opponents. 138 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,040 You've you've felt the. Awkward energy. 139 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,040 You've heard some of the booing. It's just not. 140 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,200 Sustainable and it's. Starting to spill over into 141 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,000 players getting directly. Criticized and harassed. 142 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,440 And you know. Whatever you want to say about 143 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,840 how people conduct themselves. Or or you know whether. 144 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:54,920 That's just a an unrepresentative group of a 145 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,080 small number. Of people, the reality is it it 146 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,480 all still. Matters and. 147 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,360 I think IU just found themselves in a position where you know 148 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,800 they needed to find a solution that tried to. 149 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,040 Let Mike Woodson walk. Away with dignity. 150 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,320 But also ensured that he realized. 151 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,240 He needed to walk away and I think that that's really what. 152 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,880 Happened over the last couple of days. 153 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:19,640 You know you. Got a lot of. 154 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,880 Rumors flying around during. That whole process. 155 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,000 About what was going on and, you know, there were. 156 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,000 Rumors Woodson was going to. Walk. 157 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,440 Away immediately and not. Coach, there were rumors that 158 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:29,320 you. Know there was. 159 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,960 Going to be some kind of an agreement or something announced 160 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,000 on Thursday and then, you know, you got that weird leak at the 161 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,200 end of the. Day that Pete Thamel had and 162 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,320 Jeff Goodman had. About there being your 163 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,400 contemplations about whether Woodson was going to return, I 164 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,760 think anybody who was paying any. 165 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,840 Level of attention. Realized that was it was a flag. 166 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,080 Saying hey. We're almost ready. 167 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,400 To announce something. Please hold off for a little bit 168 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,040 while we work out the details. You know those things, those 169 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,920 things end up in the hands of media members that are kind of 170 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,720 attached to. Traditional. 171 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,840 Media outlets, let's put it that way. 172 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,120 For a reason and those sorts. Of announcements or at least the 173 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,320 animation that there's going to be something or that there's 174 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,320 thoughts happening. That's always something that 175 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,160 lays the groundwork. Those things don't come out 176 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,680 accidentally. And then yesterday again. 177 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,480 Rumors back and. Forth yesterday, of course. 178 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,840 Being Friday and then the. Culmination at 4:00. 179 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,560 Of a very. Interesting release. 180 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,200 Press release. From Scott Dolson regarding Mike 181 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,080 Woodson. Which I thought tried to put as 182 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,840 positive of. The spin on the situation as 183 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,919 possible, which is certainly understandable, very much a call 184 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:45,640 for unity as Indiana. Goes into this final. 185 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,920 Stretch. Run of the season, you know. 186 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,400 Eight games remaining and. Indiana still. 187 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,880 With an outside chance of making the NCAA tournament, I know a. 188 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,240 Lot of people laugh about that, but it's. 189 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,800 True, and you know that is something to. 190 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,640 Strive for regardless. Of what's going on? 191 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,120 And and yet I think there were IU fans that. 192 00:09:03,560 --> 00:09:07,320 Felt morally compelled to. Root against their own team on 193 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,280 the off chance that if they did make the tournament, that Mike 194 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,040 Davis or Mike, I said it, I did it again. 195 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,840 I did it in the last podcast. Too, that Mike Woodson, you 196 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,560 know, might be retained if they made the. 197 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:17,880 The tournament. The reason I keep. 198 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,360 Saying Mike. Davis is this scenario. 199 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,240 Happened almost. Exactly like this. 19 years ago. 200 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,680 I'm going to get to that in a second. 201 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,640 But that's why that name keeps. Popping up for those who noticed 202 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,320 it on The Last Podcast. I do think that it's it's. 203 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,920 Very telling. To be that the. 204 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,480 The statement that came out was missing 1. 205 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,600 Thing that you would normally. See in a statement of that type. 206 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,400 Which is any kind of. Quote from the coach. 207 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,000 It's very I'm not. Going to say it's rare, but in 208 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:51,920 a. Case where a coach. 209 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,000 Is voluntarily walking away. There's normally like a. 210 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,400 Press conference there's. Normally a statement of some 211 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,520 sort that goes into. The the press release. 212 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,720 From the coach himself. Like saying like. 213 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,480 Here's here's how it. Is I'm honored to have. 214 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,200 Been the head. Coach at IU basketball. 215 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,960 I regret it not working out. We hope to finish off the season 216 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,640 strong. I do think it's really 217 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,320 fascinating that that did not occur and. 218 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,000 I think it illustrates probably that this. 219 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,880 Was not an easy last couple of days. 220 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,320 In a in. Cook Hall or in the the North 221 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,520 End zone. Facility at Memorial Stadium. 222 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,000 Where the athletic offices are, I don't have any inside info on 223 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,320 that. I haven't talked to anybody, but 224 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,760 just you can read the tea leaves and you can kind of see this. 225 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,080 Was not. Something that everybody was 226 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,600 completely aligned with, I think, but it kind of doesn't 227 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,200 matter and. If you recall like. 228 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,040 Three weeks ago. Maybe 4 weeks ago. 229 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,720 We did a podcast where I talked about that. 230 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,440 Particularly and this idea that there. 231 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,720 Was going to have to be some kind of a a coming. 232 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,640 Together of these. Two entities of IU and Mike 233 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,440 Woodson. Because Mike Woodson did not 234 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,320 seem. To think that. 235 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,640 You know, the struggles the team was having. 236 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,680 Were enough to. Rise to the level. 237 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:04,200 Where he might be. Fired he. 238 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,800 Certainly didn't seem like he was in any rush to walk away and 239 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,920 I think. IU understanding that. 240 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,560 You had a potential conflagration on your hands, 241 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:16,760 with the IU fanbase getting increasingly. 242 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,000 Frustrated about how the. Season is going and. 243 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,200 Just being like we got to find a. 244 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,120 Solution to this SO. We'll see how today goes. 245 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,040 I'm really. Fascinated especially with the 246 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,920 lack of a statement. From Woodson I mean, does he do 247 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,080 a post? Game press conference. 248 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,120 What is that? Like what does he choose to say 249 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,840 there? You know Woodson. 250 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:35,640 Is. I mean, he's. 251 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,200 A proud man. He's he's a guy. 252 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,160 That, you know, obviously. He's been coaching at at very in 253 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,320 various capacities for a long. Time and. 254 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,960 This is probably. I think in his mind it's 255 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,760 probably going to be the end of the road to some degree. 256 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,680 I have a hard time seeing him being a head coach again. 257 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,720 So I'm really curious. To see what that. 258 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,400 Reaction looks like and you know, it's unfortunate that it 259 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,640 had to end this way, but I do commend Woodson and IU for 260 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,360 finally doing what needed to be done and and. 261 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,320 Realizing that this wasn't. Going to work out. 262 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,200 And the longer it lingered, the worse it was going to get. 263 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,080 And that's essentially where things are at right now. 264 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,280 Obviously, I think we'll. Learn more about what. 265 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,760 Happened with the. Process both. 266 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,920 Officially and unofficially over the course of the next. 267 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,160 Couple of weeks. But to some degree, I don't know 268 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,840 that any of that matters at this point. 269 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,560 What matters now is that Indiana. 270 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,040 Is going. To have to look forward and 271 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,920 figure out what they're going to do with their head coaching 272 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,280 position. I've seen this sentiment 273 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,960 expressed in a bunch of different places and I. 274 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,040 Agree this is a. Higher Indiana just. 275 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,320 Simply, absolutely. Positively. 276 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,080 Cannot get wrong you've. Had multiple hires now that have 277 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:42,320 not worked out. Some of them are. 278 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,880 Justifiable hires that were just. 279 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,040 Things that didn't work. Others were hires that. 280 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:52,000 Shouldn't have been made and. Regardless of who was to blame. 281 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,840 Or or why things didn't work out. 282 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,800 With the previous hires. Including the Mike Woodson. 283 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,960 Hire. The reality is the Indiana. 284 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:03,480 Basketball brand is pretty tarnished right now and when you 285 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,200 are. Looking at the results and you 286 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,640 look at what IU has done over the course of the last. 287 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,200 Really 20? Years. 288 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,720 It's a really, really barren covered. 289 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,240 It's it's, it's unfortunate in the extreme. 290 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,720 That IU basketball. And and the brand. 291 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,920 Of IU basketball is deteriorated to the way. 292 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,920 That it has and. You know one of the people we're 293 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,320 going to talk about. About this whole situation, he 294 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,600 wrote. A really good piece. 295 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,520 On on his, I think it was on actually. 296 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,240 The assembly call Sub stack Tony Adronia. 297 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:35,440 Who I also had dinner with last night. 298 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,640 We had a nice get together at the Back Home Network crew in 299 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,400 Bloomington. But you know, Tony wrote a piece 300 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,160 which I want to go into depth with with. 301 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,080 Him about how? At the end of the. 302 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,680 Day This has just been a series of bad hires. 303 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:49,720 There's nothing structurally wrong. 304 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,240 With IU. It's an easy excuse. 305 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,840 That's made by people who are generally trying to find. 306 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,720 Excuses for coaches. That aren't getting it done at a 307 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,200 particular level. And we've heard complaints, you 308 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,160 know, Tom Crean behind the scenes complained that IU was 309 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,320 stuck in the past. And you know Archie Miller. 310 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,800 You know people. Blamed IU. 311 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,640 Having too high of. Expectations, but people are 312 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,040 blamed. That on Mike Woodson. 313 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,160 Not being successful. It's all hogwash. 314 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,360 I mean, IU is. One of the most. 315 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,960 Well resourced. Programs in the country and. 316 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,080 IU is a program. That. 317 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,560 For better or for? Worse, and I would actually, I 318 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,720 think, argue. For worse, hires coaches. 319 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,680 And and honestly lets them do what they want. 320 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,000 Lets them. Create their own. 321 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,160 Programs like this. Idea that there's all of these 322 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,680 roadblocks. To what coaches want or need to. 323 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,080 Do especially in this. Era where you can openly pay. 324 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,200 Players, it's pretty. Ludicrous as far. 325 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,120 As I'm concerned Indiana's just made hires that haven't worked. 326 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,400 Out at this level. And that's the simplest 327 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,160 explanation. I know a lot of people want to 328 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,200 throw a bunch of other things in there, but really it just comes 329 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,640 down to that you got to. Make the right hire. 330 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,600 And you've got to make sure that that person has a vision, and 331 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,640 you've got to make sure that that person can correctly and 332 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,720 adequately describe what they're doing. 333 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,320 To a fan base that. You know, isn't the. 334 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,640 The the hugest. Experts on basketball, 335 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,600 necessarily. Across the board, but. 336 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,080 It's a knowledgeable fan base that. 337 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,560 Sees through teams that. Aren't playing hard or or 338 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,640 coaches that are devising schemes that aren't going to 339 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:23,880 work. In the long term. 340 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,320 And you know it's. It's it's it's. 341 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,920 Going to be a fascinating process. 342 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,800 I've had a lot of people asking me what do you think? 343 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,120 Who they're going to hire? I have no idea at this point. 344 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,040 I do think it's. It's. 345 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,800 Going to be a search that will probably. 346 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,960 Go in some unexpected directions and I think ultimately when you 347 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,640 look at the way that IU sits in the landscape. 348 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,280 It's funny because we've already got the duality of the. 349 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,320 Way the media in the college basketball media. 350 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,920 Love to talk about? IU in one breath. 351 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,840 It's like IU fans have two IA. Standards and and they need. 352 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,160 To get over the fact that. They're not a, they're not an 353 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,320 elite program anymore. They need to just. 354 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,880 Settle for whatever and then in the other breath. 355 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,520 They're throwing. You know Bruce, Pearl and Brad. 356 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,640 Stevens and and Dusty May, who's the head coach of the Big 10 357 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,360 team in in the coaching. Hot boards that they're. 358 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,840 Putting together and it's just. It's funny because like it's 359 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,200 either a bad job. Or it's not a bad job and every 360 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,600 piece of evidence points to it being one of the best jobs in 361 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,000 college. Basketball it just. 362 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,160 Hasn't been conducted particularly well and I would. 363 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,960 Just suggest to all of you as you try to sift through. 364 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,480 What has been a truly stupid 24 hours of. 365 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,840 Opening dialogue when? It comes to the coaching search. 366 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,920 Don't fall into the. Trap of IU. 367 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,120 Being, you know, essentially irredeemable. 368 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,560 As a a top. Basketball program in this era 369 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:47,600 all. The pieces are there. 370 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,000 And you got to keep in mind that a lot. 371 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,160 Of the. The comments that come. 372 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,600 From especially national media when it comes to any basketball 373 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,960 program, not just IU come from. Coaches. 374 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,160 Coaches are mostly. Interested in coaches. 375 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,520 They're mostly interested in maintaining their own 376 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,480 reputations and as we've talked. About on the show before coaches 377 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,599 love to. Blame factors beyond their 378 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,000 coaching for their lack. Of success. 379 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,960 And we've seen that at IU in. Both football and basketball 380 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,560 over the course of the last several years. 381 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,640 And then you, you bring like we always use IU football now as an 382 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,200 example, you bring in Kurt Signetti. 383 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,920 Suddenly, all those excuses. Didn't matter, and Indiana was 384 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,760 able to win very quickly with the right person in charge. 385 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,280 And I think the same. Applies to IU basketball. 386 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,520 I want to go back to something that I alluded to earlier. 387 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,080 Which I'm still chuckling about, which is mid February has. 388 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,160 Become. Kind of. 389 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,120 The the era, where are you as to kind of look? 390 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:47,640 Itself in the mirror you know that I mentioned the Mike Davis 391 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,080 resignation that. You know it wasn't. 392 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,920 Really, your resignation, it was well, you need to resign or 393 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,200 you're going to be fired. We want you to let you let you 394 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,280 go out on your own terms. That was a weird. 395 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,680 Experience when that occurred and I remember. 396 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,760 Very clearly like I was at. That Iowa game on a press. 397 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,520 Pass. Of when I when you know the 398 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,200 sports information office printed. 399 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,040 Off a bunch of. Pages and ran through the press 400 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,160 room 10 minutes before the game started, indicating that Mike 401 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,960 Davis was. Sick and was not. 402 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,480 Going to be coaching and we're having a conversation with a 403 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,920 student of mine. At halftime, who was? 404 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,800 Working in the Sports Information office. 405 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,680 And and that. Student kind of letting. 406 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,760 Me know like not. Actually sick. 407 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:30,840 We're just not sure what's going. 408 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,680 On right now and then the whole. Drama that plays out. 409 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,240 During that Penn State. Game where? 410 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,680 Seth Davis announces that Mike Davis isn't going. 411 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,200 To be coming back. As head coach, Davis being all 412 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,200 confused about it afterwards, and then the next day a press 413 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,120 conference where Davis announces his resignation and gets to. 414 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,720 Coach the rest of. The Season, and as many of you 415 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,520 remember it, back in 2006 like that. 416 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,800 That team rallied. They they they lost the next 417 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,800 game against Illinois, they won their. 418 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,560 Last four regular. Season games. 419 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,200 They won a Big 10 tournament game, probably should have won 420 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,880 another Big 10 tournament game and then won a game in the NCAA 421 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,520 tournament before losing to Gonzaga. 422 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,360 You know that season had a positive ending. 423 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,880 And the vibes were better because the pressure was. 424 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,320 Lifted and much like the current scenario where I think. 425 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,960 There were a. Lot of IU fans that. 426 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,520 Perhaps despite their their normal attitudes. 427 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,200 We're finding it very. Hard to root for this IU team 428 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,240 because of the style the the way the team is. 429 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,080 Played and and the just the confusion that's been seen and 430 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,840 the idea. That well, gosh, if. 431 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,800 This team happens to put together enough wins to get to 432 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,240 the tournament. Does that mean another year of 433 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,440 the Woodson era, which I think the vast majority of IU fans did 434 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,320 not want? So maybe you know. 435 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:48,720 As and we saw that same thing in in 2006, we saw that same thing 436 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,520 where, you know, Davis gets essentially. 437 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,640 Forced to. Resign and suddenly. 438 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,880 A lot of the pressures that existed around the IU 439 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,320 basketball. Program melted away and people 440 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,200 felt a little more confident about saying, yeah, this is 441 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,080 fine, we're going to try to root. 442 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,800 This team and this. Coach on because we know that 443 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,160 it'll be over and we'll have a new coach in a month, month and 444 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,320 1/2 and that's what happened. Of course, that new. 445 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,080 Coach ended up being. Kelvin Sampson which that. 446 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,800 That you talk about a. Sliding doors moment there, but 447 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,840 we can we can dive into that at another time. 448 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,360 So just just some thoughts I guess. 449 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:26,200 That I've had overall. You know, I think that. 450 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,520 These are. Going to be some interesting 451 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,960 days. Normally when a coach has gotten 452 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,120 fired. What happened? 453 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:33,960 With Archie when it. Happened with Crane. 454 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,400 We go on a Bender here with podcasts where we're 455 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:38,840 interviewing people left and right. 456 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,640 Normally, that's all. Happening really in a. 457 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,240 Compressed time period. Because coaches have gotten. 458 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,280 Fired like right before the NCAA tournament and you know, you got 459 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,000 about a week, maybe 2 before a new coach gets hired. 460 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,480 We're going to play it a little bit differently on Crimson Cast 461 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,360 this time. I still want to. 462 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,960 Bring all the stakeholders back. It's basically. 463 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,760 Getting the conclave together again. 464 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,400 Getting some of our favorite voices, many of whom we haven't 465 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,440 talked with in a. While about IU basketball. 466 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,720 Now that the pressure's off and we know there's going to be a 467 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,800 change and getting some thoughts. 468 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,080 About where IU basketball's at. Right now and where it might be 469 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,120 headed, where it should head and who might be the new head coach 470 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:14,680 and what that means for the disposition of the program. 471 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,840 So all that coming up and hopefully you can. 472 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,400 Join us at the upstairs pub. We'll start that process today 473 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,720 as we talked about IU basketball and. 474 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,280 Hopefully IU able to go out and beat Michigan and get 475 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,440 themselves. Back on the right track after 476 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,400 losing 6 out of their last seven games. 477 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,320 It's a winnable game. It's a Michigan team that 478 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:35,200 doesn't play. Particularly. 479 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,720 Well, on the road. So it'll be. 480 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,240 Fascinating to see what happens with all that. 481 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,000 But anyway. Join us at the upstairs pub. 482 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,640 Later on today as. I'll be there with. 483 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,160 Scott and then I'll be there with Coach Tonsone and Ryan 484 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,600 Phillips. Kathy Amos will be there. 485 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,200 Mike Wiemuth, Bob Moats. Tony Adrania, we'll. 486 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,600 Have the whole crew out there. I'm Galen Clavie. 487 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,080 This is Crimson Cast. Thanks for listening. 488 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,760 Have a safe drive every coming to Bloomington. 489 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,040 We'll catch you folks. On the flip side, stay never 490 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,400 daunted. Bring back the bison. 491 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:01,640 So long, everybody.