1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,039 Hello and welcome back everybody to another episode of the 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,000 Crimson Cast Podcast, Cameron Vera and Amanda Foster for you 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,440 here today. As always, it's the first week 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,000 of March, and that means the regular season is over. 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,080 And, well, now the Hoosiers have their attention towards the 6 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:21,320 postseason. Amanda, it's it's been a fun 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,120 season. It's been a fun regular season. 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,200 But how are you? I mean it's I mean it's already 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,040 March 6th. Which is crazy that it is 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,080 already marched. And I know that we were last 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,040 week when we recorded our episode, it was March 1st and we 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,920 were talking about how it was insane that it was already 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,120 marched. And now I can't believe we're 14 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,640 already almost a weekend and it is going by so quickly And this 15 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,640 the season flew by like I can't even. 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,680 But it's weird because part of me, like I don't remember the 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,320 beginning of the season, like the Stanford game and like those 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,360 games in Florida feel like they were forever ago and they were 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,120 back in November. But it also feels like they 20 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:56,880 could have been a couple weeks ago. 21 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,520 And I wouldn't question it because it's there's so much has 22 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,600 happened this season and it has. It's absolutely flown by and I 23 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,519 can't believe that we're already in the postseason and it kind of 24 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:09,560 makes me sad because this is my last time covering them as a 25 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,160 student at least. And I'm, I haven't thought about 26 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,840 it a whole lot. But now I'm starting to think 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,400 about it and I don't like that I'm thinking about it. 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,720 But obviously it's like it's very it's kind of it's kind of 29 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,240 bittersweet. Like I wish it could just be 30 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,160 regular season basketball for like the whole year because then 31 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,280 it wouldn't have to end. I don't know. 32 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,000 It's there's a lot going on. But no I'm good. 33 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,120 It's it's almost, but I'm traveling to Minnesota tomorrow 34 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,080 so there's a lot to prepare for for that, but it's going to be a 35 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,360 good time, so. Yeah, so the regular season ends 36 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,680 and and Indiana, the final game of the year, they get the 71 to 37 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,640 54 victory over Maryland. We can. 38 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,520 That's not the point of today's episode. 39 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,840 We can touch on it a little bit, I guess. 40 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,920 What did you see from from that game? 41 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,000 I mean, The thing is with that game is that that day was not 42 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,560 about that game. And even the game, like the 43 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,320 final score and everything is not the big thing about that 44 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,640 game Because first of all, it was senior night or Senior Day. 45 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,280 So you got Mackenzie Holmes and Sarah Scalia and Ariel Wisney. 46 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,960 We were all honored and it was very sweet and very nice and 47 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,920 everybody loved it. But I mean the the big thing 48 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:15,240 about that game, and it's undeniable, is the injuries that 49 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,600 Indiana had. And so when I think about that 50 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,240 game, like as as good of a night that Sarah Scalia had from 51 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,040 shooting and from from the three-point line, and, you know, 52 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,160 as successful as Indiana was in terms of beating Maryland, I 53 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,480 hate to say it, but I think the win to me does not really mean 54 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,080 as much as maybe it should as their final regular season game 55 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,840 just because of how Mackenzie Holmes and Lily Meister went 56 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,240 down and the uncertainty that is around them. 57 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,400 That's that's the big thing that you have to think about when you 58 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,800 think about that game. Yeah, we'll touch on it a little 59 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,800 bit more as we get deeper into the episode. 60 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,600 But I don't want to shy away from this game just because it 61 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,760 was a it was a great defensive performance by Indiana. 62 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,560 Just some, just some quick numbers. 63 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,120 Maryland only shot 28% from the field and they shot 18.8% from 64 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,120 three. They went three for 16 from deep 65 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,200 and then only made nineteen shots out of 67 attempts from 66 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,600 the field. It was it was a really good 67 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,520 defensive game by Indiana. Very physical game, Amanda. 68 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,840 Very. Very physical game. 69 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,320 You made me laugh because it was in the in the first quarter you 70 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,120 tweeted out, oh, I think this game is about to be a very 71 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,600 physical one. There's something along those 72 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,600 lines. And then literally like 5 73 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,920 minutes into the game, you know it it became that and Terry 74 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:32,440 touched on it a little bit in the post game. 75 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:37,480 But yeah, I mean obviously the the storyline of that game or 76 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,520 everything or the thing that everybody took out of was 77 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,400 obviously the Mackenzie and Lily injury, which we'll get into 78 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,200 later. But obviously regular season's 79 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,960 over. So that means the Big 10 80 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,960 tournament is coming up and and you know, Amanda, you're going 81 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,000 to be there. Could be fun. 82 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,160 I'm very excited. Yeah, I mean right now, in the 83 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,400 grand scheme of things, before we get into the tournament, 84 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,560 let's actually talk about just Indiana and the regular season. 85 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,960 So they finished 24 and four, a perfect 15 and O record in 86 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,280 Assembly Hall this year. They finished third overall in 87 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,480 the conference, won 15 games in the Big 10 this year, and I mean 88 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,040 they're entering the tournament as the number overall three 89 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,959 seed. They'll have a buy up until the 90 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:24,160 Friday into the corner quarterfinals, so they won't 91 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,040 play for a little bit this week. The tournament starts today, 92 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,200 actually the day we're recording Wednesday, so the first couple 93 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,480 games will be played today. We're going to go over just a 94 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,320 little bit of the season. The obviously the four losses 95 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,840 that Indiana suffered game against Stanford, Iowa, Ohio 96 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:45,240 State and then Illinois back on February 19th. 97 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:52,840 You know when you look at those losses on paper, they are the 98 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,640 the besides the Illinois one, they're the ones, the losses 99 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,200 that Indiana suffered are kind of the ones that you expect on 100 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,040 the schedule. There's not really one. 101 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,040 Even that Illinois loss isn't horrible because, you know, it's 102 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,400 on the road. Yeah, it's like it's Illinois. 103 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,600 Was expected to be good. Expected to be good. 104 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,880 It's deeper into the season on the road, right? 105 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,640 You know, obviously you didn't want it to happen, but you know, 106 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,720 Stanford, Iowa and Ohio State are kind of the ones that you 107 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:19,520 expected. Yeah. 108 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,400 Go ahead, go ahead. If I may, I was about to ask. 109 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:28,440 Yeah, yeah, the the Illinois game was kind of a fluke game in 110 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,160 my mind. I think in in some ways. 111 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,040 And you're always going to have like you have 4 losses on the 112 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,440 season. One of them's just not going to 113 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:37,800 be a good loss. Like that's kind of how it 114 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,240 works. And going to the the Stanford, 115 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,000 Iowa, Ohio State game, I know that we've talked about this. 116 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,160 A lot of people have talked about this. 117 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,960 Terry has talked about this. You play any of those teams at 118 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,760 Assembly Hall, Indiana beats them. 119 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,560 They beat Iowa at Assembly Hall. I think if you bring Ohio State 120 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,320 and you bring Stanford and Indiana would have won. 121 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,360 And so that's something that at least for me, I am considering 122 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,880 and I'm thinking about just when when we talk about those losses 123 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,840 and we talk about Indiana season as a whole is that it's AI think 124 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:07,160 it's a really big shame that Indiana was not able to play 125 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,320 Ohio State twice and play them here in Bloomington as well as 126 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,080 in Ohio, which I don't know how that came up high, how that was 127 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,440 scheduled. But I think for me that was 128 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,400 disappointing if for a lot of ways. 129 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,120 And then if Stanford had played Indiana here, I think Indiana 130 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,200 would have beaten them. And I think if they happen to 131 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,760 match up again in the NCAA tournament, which in some of the 132 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,560 bracketology stuff that has come out has been a possibility, 133 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,520 depending on how things shake out like that, Indiana has 134 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,960 improved a lot. A lot has happened since that 135 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,360 Stanford loss. So I think like they were good 136 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,360 losses and I think they could have been wins, I guess, if that 137 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,040 makes sense in different environments, different 138 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,040 scenarios, whatever. But I don't. 139 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,640 You can't discount what those games would have been at home, I 140 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,240 guess, if that makes sense. Yeah. 141 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,680 And and I mean, look, all three of those, all four of them 142 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,160 really are quality opponents and you know the Stanford loss was 143 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,040 early in the year. So that holds a little bit less 144 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,960 weight I would say. And then I mean look Iowa is, 145 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:11,200 is, is projected right now to be a top two seed, could easily 146 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,680 have been a number one seed and and Ohio State is, is really, I 147 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,120 mean I don't know if there's many teams better than Ohio 148 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,280 State moving out through the out throughout the rest of the year. 149 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,240 So I mean look, I think I think you look at those four losses 150 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,920 for Indiana and you understand them right, you understand how, 151 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,840 how they. They're understandable losses, 152 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,640 which I think is a big it's a big thing. 153 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,120 Yeah, they're, they're understandable. 154 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,840 So look, I mean 24 and four is still a great record. 155 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,640 And you know, let's forget about the losses for a second. 156 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,480 I want to look at the best wins that Indiana had this season. 157 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,080 Obviously the two wins over in Fort Myers against Tennessee and 158 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,960 Princeton, the win at Nebraska that was probably the their most 159 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,360 dominant performance of the season just from from start to 160 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,080 finish, it was. It was really, I mean 40 minutes 161 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,600 of Indiana basketball at its finest. 162 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,760 The win here at home against Michigan State was another, the 163 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,440 quality one, just considering how offensively powered the 164 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,720 Spartans are this year. And then of course the the the 165 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,200 win against Iowa here this season, all five of those teams, 166 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,320 right? Is that 5 teams? 167 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,880 Yeah, all five of those teams are projected to be in the NCAA 168 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,280 tournament come they're from 7th to the 9th seed. 169 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,360 They're kind of floating around. Obviously right now it's just 170 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,000 purely off projection. But I was looking at it last 171 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,640 night and and all five of those teams are supposed to make the 172 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,640 NCAA tournament. They're going to make the NCAA 173 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,200 tournament against something unless something crazy happens. 174 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,080 But yeah, those are all quality wins right there. 175 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,360 I think the best one, obviously is the Iowa win. 176 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:40,960 Oh, no doubt. Yeah, no doubt. 177 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,240 But really, the one that sticks out to me, the the Tennessee 178 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,240 one, the Tennessee one, I think is, is a really good one. 179 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,320 Well, the interesting thing about the Tennessee one is that 180 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,120 it looked good and then it didn't look good because 181 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,760 Tennessee was not playing very well. 182 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,080 But then they came out and on Sunday went toe to toe with 183 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,720 South Carolina for the majority of the game. 184 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,920 And so that I there was a time where I would have hesitated to 185 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,080 list that Tennessee win as a good one. 186 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,440 But I think in the long run, you're right, Is that it? 187 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,200 It could definitely stand out when you now that the season is 188 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,720 over, looking at Tennessee's overall season because there was 189 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000 kind of that concern before, especially before Indiana beat 190 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,840 Iowa. Like, OK, well you have some 191 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,680 decent wins, but like are they against teams that have been 192 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:27,280 consistently good and have been like, you know, super 193 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,680 competitive and maybe Tennessee hasn't been consistently good or 194 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:32,600 all around competitive, but they've shown that they are a 195 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,160 very talented team. And so looking back at the way 196 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,360 that Indiana beat them is is impressive and Tennessee had 197 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,200 injuries when Indiana played them and all of that. 198 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,480 But no, I agree that that is one of their best ones. 199 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,040 Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that because you are 100% right 200 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,160 that after that game that was kind of the first block that you 201 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,760 know broke down for Tennessee's season. 202 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,040 I mean they kind of struggled a little bit after that. 203 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,880 But yeah I mean the Nebraska I'm curious to see what the 204 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,600 committee or I guess how the committee weighs non conference 205 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,760 over conference wins right you know if you take away and. 206 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,080 Because it was a neutral site. Yeah, it was neutral site. 207 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,600 I mean, take away the Iowa game out of out of those, like like 208 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,120 is Princeton a better win than Michigan State, right. 209 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,760 Like that's a question the committee is going to have to 210 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,560 answer come Selection Sunday. But regardless, I mean those are 211 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:26,240 Indiana's best wins looking over the entire regular season. 212 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,640 Yeah, they get two really good wins in Florida, a good win over 213 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,280 at Nebraska. I think that was, you know, I 214 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,480 touched on it just a few seconds ago, but that was the 215 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,920 performance I was most surprised with, most impressed with, I 216 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,160 should say by Indiana. Just a really, really good game. 217 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,360 The quality team over there at Nebraska, I mean the Nebraska 218 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:49,160 could very easily make a little bit of a run this NCAA 219 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,680 tournament. They're a deep team, a very, 220 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:53,880 very polished team. But yeah, some some regular 221 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,800 season numbers just to round out the year. 222 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,440 The top three leading scorers for Indiana, obviously McKenzie 223 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,520 Holmes was first with 20.7 points per game. 224 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,680 Sarah Scalia was coming in that second with 16.3 and then 225 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:08,280 yarding Arizona was a final one with 11.7. 226 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,600 Those three were the only ones that were averaged double digit 227 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,560 numbers in the regular season. Also the biggest stat in my 228 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:18,440 opinion that the fines Indiana season this year is they're one 229 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,960 of the best, if not the best shooting team in the country 230 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,400 when it comes to field goal percentage 51.6 to round out the 231 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,600 regular season. So just some numbers, I guess in 232 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,480 your mind, just looking back at it, what are some of the biggest 233 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,080 moments? Good and bad, right? 234 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,360 We got to talk about it both. That's a good question. 235 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,320 And this goes back to what I was saying where everything has kind 236 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,840 of just like blurred together. So now I have to actually think 237 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,080 about specific things that were that were good or bad. 238 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,080 Some recency bias, I think, is that one of the worst things 239 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,760 from the season is the injuries to to Mackenzie and Lily. 240 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,400 Sarah or not Sarah, I'm sorry, Sydney as well. 241 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,720 Sydney, I mean, that was she. That that was a big one. 242 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,240 I'm glad that she seems to be kind of back in her in her 243 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,920 group, but that was, that was big. 244 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,360 But it wasn't. I hate to say that it wasn't 245 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,240 detrimental to Indiana because obviously it was, but it also 246 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,080 gave players like Lexus a chance to step up and be more 247 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,720 comfortable in their role and take on a little bit more 248 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,480 responsibility, which was necessary and will be necessary 249 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,360 going forward. So it's kind of a little bit of 250 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,040 a double edged sword. But yeah, the city city injury 251 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:32,960 was obviously a negative. The win against Iowa has to be 252 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,160 one of the best parts of the season, especially in the way 253 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,320 the Indiana did it and and what it meant, especially after 254 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,240 losing to Iowa and coming off that lost Illinois. 255 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,200 I'm scrolling through the schedule now trying to see if 256 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,840 there's anything else I wanted to touch on. 257 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,360 I feel like those are probably the biggest things, though. 258 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,120 The injuries, how Indiana was able to to bounce back and keep 259 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,120 winning without Sydney was impressive. 260 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,360 The way that Lexus stepped up was impressive. 261 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:04,400 But now there's just so many questions about where Mackenzie 262 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,560 and Lily will be at for the postseason that for me, that's 263 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:10,480 like one of the main things that I'm focused on right now, 264 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:14,360 despite all of the positives. Because that can, if you don't 265 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,080 have your All American Post player and you don't have the 266 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,720 player behind her, that there's a lot of questions there. 267 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,280 Yeah, we'll get. We'll get into it again later as 268 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,520 we say that, we keep saying that, we keep saying that. 269 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,120 But later, later, later. I I guess there's some moments 270 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,160 that that stake out to me when I look back at this season. 271 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,160 Obviously the main game was really important for the 272 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,960 program, really important for Mackenzie Holmes. 273 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:41,040 I've got another one after Sarah's game in Florida against. 274 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,280 I don't remember if it was against Tennessee or Princeton. 275 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,600 That's that's bad because I wrote about it. 276 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,520 I think it was against Tennessee. 277 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,920 But I remember that was one of the first games that she showed 278 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,640 emotion because she went down and got an and one call, I think 279 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,040 it was and like did one of those things, you know, where you're 280 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,600 like sitting on the floor and you like yell. 281 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,240 I was like, I've never seen Sarah do that. 282 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,560 And it was like right in front of me. 283 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,760 And so that I think was not like a turning point for her. 284 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,720 But that was a really big moment for her and for the team in 285 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,600 terms of Heard her showing emotion and Heard playing the 286 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,000 the way that she is and setting the new single season record for 287 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,600 three pointers at Indiana, which is huge. 288 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,080 Yeah, So that that just popped into my head. 289 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:26,240 Your turn. Go ahead. 290 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,360 I would go the 30 point performance by yard in against 291 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,760 Evansville back on December 18th, that's. 292 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,080 So long ago I forgot about that it's. 293 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,680 That's a good one right there. The win on New Year's, New 294 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,440 Year's Eve for Indiana against Illinois, That was just a really 295 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,120 good game overall. And then you know you have some 296 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,520 moments where you know you kind of look back at this team and 297 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,760 you and you realize kind of where they're come coming from. 298 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,880 I mean after the Stanford loss they get two wins against Murray 299 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,880 State and Lipscomb. But that if you remember back, I 300 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,280 mean Terry really got on the team about at that point in the 301 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,720 season just because of how they were going up against teams 302 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,720 defensively that's that was really one of the interesting 303 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:11,520 more interesting points of the season that that some people may 304 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,640 forget and and the reason I'm talking about this and the 305 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,760 reason I'm bringing this up just kind of recapping the season is 306 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:22,760 because me if I, if I take my journalistic hat off for a quick 307 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,760 second, I really love looking back and and looking at the good 308 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,640 and the bad moments of a season. Right, Because it's the little 309 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,280 things they stack up against. Each other By no means a perfect 310 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:33,640 season. No, no, not at all. 311 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,440 But, but what I mean by that is kind of like, I mean just for 312 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,680 example, look at the Murray State and the Lipscomb game. 313 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,200 I mean, I think they're not, Indiana is not as good of a 314 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,160 defensive team as they are right now without those games, right? 315 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,720 I mean, yes, yes, you blow them out by 30 points, 3040 points in 316 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,360 both of those games. And and just looking at the 317 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,520 numbers, just looking at the box score, you would be like, well, 318 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,600 why is there a negative? Not connotation, because there 319 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,680 isn't, but like a negative viewpoint on these games by 320 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,960 their head coach, Well, I mean, you got to look deeper into it, 321 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,280 right? You got to look deeper into the 322 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:05,520 story. But no completely agree. 323 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,480 Yeah, so, I mean, those are some of the moments that stick out. 324 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,760 I mean, obviously the Illinois loss, we touched on it a little 325 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,240 bit, wasn't great for Indiana. Mackenzie Holmes in that post 326 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,880 game presser was very visibly upset. 327 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,680 She she cried a little bit in the post game. 328 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,800 So yeah, just a lot of moments. I mean, it's it's a long season, 329 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,280 it's a long season, but at the same time, it's short. 330 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,800 So there's a lot to go over. And I bet you, you know 100% 331 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,280 that we're missing a few few key moments, a few big moments, both 332 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,600 good and bad. But yeah, so that does it a 333 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,120 little bit for the regular season. 334 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,720 Like I said, Indiana finishes 24 and four, but now that brings in 335 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,960 the tournament season. So now Indiana will be in the 336 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,440 third, the third season. Conference title hopes, 337 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,280 obviously. Conference tournament title 338 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,640 hopes so. They will play one of these 339 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,480 three teams, Rutgers, Wisconsin and Michigan. 340 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:56,760 Minnesota. Or I'm sorry. 341 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,720 Yeah, Minnesota. What did I say? 342 00:16:58,720 --> 00:16:59,760 Wisconsin. Wisconsin. 343 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,680 Yeah, I'm sorry, Rutgers. Minnesota and. 344 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,960 Michigan, I think they're the bottom team in the, in the, in 345 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,800 the seeding. Hold on, let me pull up the. 346 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,319 I've so I've got the I've got the bracket minute. 347 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,240 It's the Rutgers. Minnesota game is the 14, 348 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,040 Rutgers is the 14 seed. Minnesota is the 11 seed. 349 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,000 And then they'll play the winner that will play Michigan, who's 350 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,400 to succeed? And then the winner of that one 351 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,720 will play Indiana. Yeah, and Wisconsin. 352 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,760 If anyone is wondering, I guess we'll play Penn State and then 353 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,560 the winner of that plays Iowa. Yeah, so, so that that those are 354 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,120 the probable or those are the teams that Indiana will play. 355 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:35,960 One of those three teams, the top 4 seeds in the tournament 356 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:41,080 this year, Ohio State #1, Iowa #2, Indiana #3 and then Michigan 357 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,000 State #4. Those are all the ones that 358 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,800 sorry, that get the buy. And on the other side of the 359 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,640 bracket assuming or saying if Indiana wins and reaches all the 360 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,600 way over to the semi finals, they have the chance to play 361 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,160 Wisconsin, Penn State or Iowa. It's. 362 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,960 Kind of a scary, yeah, scary 3 three teams, to be honest with 363 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,000 you. Yeah, I mean, look, I think 364 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,880 you'll take Wisconsin out of that, right? 365 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,160 I can't. But Wisconsin's had their 366 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,600 moments. They've had their moments, yeah. 367 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,600 They actually had their. Moments like that's and that's 368 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,960 the thing that when you get into postseason play you do, you just 369 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,880 need a couple good moments and a couple of good games to knock 370 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,080 somebody out. So that's you know you out of 371 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,240 those 3. Wisconsin is in the bottom in 372 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,800 terms of getting super far, but you also can't count them out, I 373 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,360 think in my mind. Yeah, I mean 100%. 374 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:36,320 And I mean, that's the thing with with the tournament as it 375 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:37,320 makes it. So fun. 376 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,680 March basketball in general is like everybody's been playing 377 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,880 together for so long and you kind of don't know what to 378 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,280 expect to a certain level, but you do at the same time. 379 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,240 So it's, you know, it's a fun little dynamic, right. 380 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:52,440 You know, and I mean last year, I mean obviously you saw Indiana 381 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,320 exit a little bit earlier than everybody had thought. 382 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,600 So that's just that just proves our point on just how unexpected 383 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,360 it can be. But I get, you know, first 384 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:05,760 question that I wanted to ask you is who do you think scares 385 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,040 you the most? Who might be maybe not who 386 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,520 scares you the most, but who maybe is you know one of the 387 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,840 sleeper teams. I guess that could make a little 388 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,880 bit of a run come this tournament. 389 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,480 That's a good question because so the team that scares me the 390 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,640 most is not the team that I would point to as a sleeper team 391 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,480 because the team that scares me the most is Ohio State and then 392 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,480 one season, so they can't be right. 393 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,880 So Ohio State, just because we've seen how they can play and 394 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,160 we've seen how their press can dominate and they're just such a 395 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:40,520 deep, well-rounded team in so many ways that that's they're 396 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,200 just a scary team to be to be straight up. 397 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,080 They they're scary to go against. 398 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:48,840 They're fun to watch and they have a lot of potential to go 399 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,120 far in this tournament and in the NCAA. 400 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:54,480 In my mind, a sleeper team. I haven't really thought about 401 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,480 this that much. I'm going to be honest, Probably 402 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,160 Nebraska. That's what I was going to say. 403 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,480 Which? I and again I don't know if you 404 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,520 could count the five seed as a sleeper team, but I think they 405 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,800 are going to get discounted because you have teams like 406 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,920 Iowa, Indiana, Ohio State and Michigan State that especially 407 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,440 those top three that will dominate conversations and 408 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,400 Nebraska is the kind of team that's going to be like well you 409 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,280 should talk about us too because we're just as good in some ways 410 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,200 and. We're just as talented and so I 411 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,960 think they could come in kind of with a vengeance if that makes 412 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,480 sense, wanting to to prove themselves and wanting to get 413 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,040 far to to keep themselves in in those conversations. 414 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,640 So that's probably that's probably who I would go with as 415 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,840 somebody who might surprise some people would would be Nebraska. 416 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,640 Yeah, I think when I'm looking at Indiana's side of the 417 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,960 bracket, I would assume I the the team that it might be a 418 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,480 little bit of a sleeper team for me as Penn State. 419 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,240 That's what I was saying. Penn State has shown to be able 420 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,640 to score the ball well. They shoot the ball well, you 421 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,320 know, and I say that. But then I mean assuming they 422 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:06,360 beat Wisconsin in the fifth game they play Iowa and and it's 423 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:10,480 tough and and you know I mean that's what you get right when 424 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,400 you're top four or when you're not outside of the top four like 425 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,560 you're going to play a your net. Like if you win your first game 426 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,560 the next game is going to be against a quality opponent no 427 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,720 matter what. But for me Penn State is on that 428 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,360 list. I was going to say Nebraska as 429 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:29,640 well but I think really this most sleeper ish team that I 430 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,040 have today or that I have for this tournament is Michigan 431 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,560 State. I I. 432 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,680 As a four. Seed as a four seed I I I again 433 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,600 look I I I hate to call a four seed a sleeper team but I think 434 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:47,280 in the OR the big 10 this year was so focused on the top three 435 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,880 teams yeah. I mean, that's why I said 436 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,960 Nebraska, that's yeah, no, I get it. 437 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,560 I get it. I, I I just think you know 438 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,520 people are sort of looking at this and I was kind of scrolling 439 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,440 through Twitter and and reading some articles yesterday getting 440 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,920 ready for today just kind of trying to see what the 441 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,120 conversations are like before the tournament. 442 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,160 And I mean the conversations mainly are surrounding Iowa, 443 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,440 right and they're mainly surrounding Ohio State even 444 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,160 Indiana a little bit isn't necessarily being talked about 445 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,920 to the level that they should be and you know out or outside of 446 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,400 those three teams is Michigan State and I look I I've really 447 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,720 enjoyed Michigan State this year. 448 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,160 I think they can score really well. 449 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,960 Obviously, they give up a lot of defense for the offense that 450 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,720 they that they're able to produce. 451 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,560 But I mean, they'll play Nebraska, right? 452 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,680 And here's the thing. Let me just say this That 1312 453 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,320 game against Purdue, NW Northwestern, I think Purdue 454 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,720 wins that game comfortably. But I would tend to agree. 455 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,880 I do not. I would not really be surprised 456 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,240 if Purdue goes in and beats Nebraska like like like one of 457 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,000 those tournament wins. I think that's that's a very 458 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,520 possible thing, and that sets up Purdue in in. 459 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,120 Michigan State in the quarter finals. 460 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,600 But again, look, I think I think Michigan State's in a really 461 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,760 good position and I don't know if they would be able to compete 462 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,600 against Ohio State. I feel like if they were on the 463 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,000 other side of the bracket, they would have a better chance just 464 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,360 because Ohio State is a much bigger team than Michigan State 465 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:20,880 this year. They're. 466 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,520 Much bigger than a lot of teams. Than everybody. 467 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,520 Yeah, I should than everybody pretty much. 468 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,360 But I do think, I mean look if Michigan State can catch fire a 469 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,680 little bit, I think, I think they're, I like what they're 470 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,160 doing over there. They can score the ball really 471 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,760 well. I'm more I all when it comes to 472 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,320 tournament play, I always prioritize offense a little bit 473 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,160 more because it's a game of runs, right? 474 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,920 You're going to go through spurts where you're not going to 475 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,000 be, you know, as efficient on the offensive ball, but when 476 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,720 you're on offense. But if you can be efficient for 477 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,240 the majority of the game, right. I think that's, I think that's 478 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,360 what you know, what wins games in March. 479 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,800 And I mean, look, it's March. A lot of people are tired. 480 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,360 A lot of people are, you know, I mean every athlete is 481 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,800 conditioned to play at this time of the year, but people are 482 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,920 tired, right? Bodies are bodies have been 483 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:16,000 working since November. And and to go back on the injury 484 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,520 thing, I mean some people might be dealing with injuries that 485 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,960 you may not even know, right? It's just that time of year. 486 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,000 So those are all factors that you have to consider when you're 487 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,600 looking at a conference tournament. 488 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,080 And I think look, I think Michigan State's got a chance 489 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:34,320 but right now if I had the pick in the semifinals, I think it's 490 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,760 going to be the top four. I think it's going to be Ohio 491 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,440 State and Michigan State over there on the on the other side 492 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,440 of the bracket. And then Indiana and Iowa 493 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,600 ultimately I if you ask me, I think it's going to be Iowa and 494 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,760 Ohio State and and I think I was going to I think I was going to 495 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,080 win it. I really. 496 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,520 See, I disagree. You disagree? 497 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,240 I disagree. Well, I went to go. 498 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,320 You said Ohio State was your scariest team. 499 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,480 Yes. And I, I mean, you have every 500 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,680 valid reason to think that way. But I part of me hates to go up 501 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,480 against the greatest player in college basketball. 502 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,560 And I and I hate that. You know what I mean? 503 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,960 I I can't in in a sport like basketball, right. 504 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,000 I mean, I'm just saying this to use his name, but like if LeBron 505 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,320 was was in a you know, you can't go up against them, right? 506 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,880 You can't bet up against them. Yeah, but it's the same thing 507 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,080 with Caitlin. Here's my thing, right So Iowa, 508 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,840 for all intents and purposes, will be without Molly Davis for 509 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:34,880 the Big 10 tournament. Correct. 510 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,120 That is a big factor. Right. 511 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:40,720 And here here's why. Indiana's side of the bracket I 512 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,840 think is so hard to predict because you have injuries to 513 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,640 both Iowa and Indiana. I honestly don't know if Iowa 514 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,920 will make it to the championship game. 515 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,160 I would be honest. I would have them in theory, so 516 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,720 they they would make it to the semi finals. 517 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,080 Let's say they play Indiana If and here's here's there's so 518 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,800 many ifs because if Indiana has Mackenzie Holmes and Iowa does 519 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,200 not have Molly Davis, let's assume that Iowa doesn't have 520 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,800 Molly Davis. I think Indiana wins, but if 521 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,080 Indiana doesn't have Mackenzie Holmes, then I think they lose. 522 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,360 But I don't think Iowa without Molly Davis can win three 523 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:17,400 straight games in three states in three straight days. 524 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,000 Like, I think if they make it to the championship, they're not. 525 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,440 And it's like against Ohio State, Ohio State's winning 526 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,240 because I don't think Iowa can continue that level of play for 527 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,720 three state days, Three days without Molly Davis. 528 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:33,000 To be to be perfectly blunt, I don't care that Caitlin Clark is 529 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,680 on the team at that point because because it's three days 530 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:42,080 of games and I would equate you know, the the pressure that they 531 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,680 are, all of these teams are putting themselves on for the 532 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,840 for the Big 10 tournament. I would equate that to the 533 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,640 pressure of the Indiana, Iowa game at Assembly Hall honestly 534 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,840 in terms of like what how much those teams wanted to win and 535 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,800 what that environment was like and everything and Iowa lost and 536 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,800 Caitlin Clark, like she she's great. 537 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,800 She's fantastic. But everybody feels the pressure 538 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,400 at some point and I think, but I would be surprised if it doesn't 539 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,760 get to her at some point because we saw it last year when they 540 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,120 made it. Obviously they made it in the 541 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,760 very far in the NCAA tournament. But there were, there were 542 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,120 moments where she was not perfect and she was not on her 543 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,120 game. And so I don't know. 544 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:25,120 I don't think I was going to run the table this year in the 545 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:25,800 tournament. I don't. 546 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,080 I and I don't. A lot of it comes down to 547 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,440 injuries for everybody, but I don't see them winning like I I 548 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,360 don't. Do you think I was a how do I 549 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:36,880 say this? I I think you would agree with 550 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,440 saying that I was a deeper team last year than they were this 551 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,400 year. Deeper in terms of roster right. 552 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,560 If you look at it, I don't know it it I was such an interesting 553 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,080 team because obviously they are they're. 554 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,800 They're a confusing team. Yeah. 555 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,480 When you have a player like Caitlin, you build around her no 556 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,880 matter what you do. But you know what to say. 557 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,600 I don't know it it's it's weird. It it's interesting. 558 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,680 I I I will say this, I mean, if Indiana is without Mackenzie 559 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,640 Holmes and and Lily Meister, who knows? 560 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,760 Comes out of who? Who comes out of that? 561 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,680 In my mind. Section out of the Rutgers, 562 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,880 Minnesota, Michigan. Well, let's. 563 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,760 So Terry Moore just had a press conference this morning that I'd 564 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,960 like to to mention to touch on what she said. 565 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:26,560 So as of right now, the middle of what, almost 1:00 on 566 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,240 Wednesday, March 6th, She doesn't know if Mackenzie Holmes 567 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,760 and Lily and Lily Meister will be available Friday night. 568 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,960 Neither of them practiced yesterday and neither of them 569 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,080 are going to practice today. They're day-to-day. 570 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,920 They're being evaluated. She also said something. 571 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,480 I'm trying to find this quote. She was like, she said we're 572 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,240 going to do whatever we can to help them play, but if it's at 573 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,560 any point, it's not safe, we won't do it. 574 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,160 There's a bigger picture here. So I think that is kind of like 575 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,480 they have to consider the NCAA tournament and if neither are 576 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,360 available or if they're limited, then Terry said that Yarden 577 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,120 would shift over to the five and they would play small ball, 578 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,520 which is like what they did in that fourth quarter after after 579 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,680 Lily got hurt. But I, you know it's kind of the 580 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,160 same thing where you said you build a team around Caitlin 581 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,440 Clark. So much of Indiana's offense 582 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,520 revolves around having a post player, whether it's Mackenzie 583 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,960 or Lily, especially Mackenzie. But like they they haven't had 584 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,960 to play small ball because they've always they've had one 585 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,520 of those two available and pretty much fully ready to go 586 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,840 this season. So I just, I question if they're 587 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,520 both limited and they're or they're both questionable or if 588 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,280 they both don't play. I if they both don't play, I 589 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,120 don't see Indiana making it really very far. 590 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,720 And I hate to say that because I feel like I don't want to 591 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,880 discredit the rest of the team and how how talented all the 592 00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:00,040 other players are, but I have a bad feeling of if both of those 593 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,960 players are not able to play. Yeah, I mean, look, Indiana is 594 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,320 clearly not the same team without either of those two. 595 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,920 It's so and the The bad luck that Mackenzie has had with 596 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,840 injuries these last few years is like gut wrenching. 597 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,400 It's awful. Yeah, and and here's the thing, 598 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,480 now that we we've opened it up finally in the podcast, we 599 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,680 finally talked about this. 20 minutes ago, Kevin. 600 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,720 With the injuries, you know the neither injury was. 601 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,440 It was like gone contact injury which. 602 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,760 Are sometimes worse. It was. 603 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:38,320 It was Mackenzie, just was she was she coming down with the 604 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,480 rebound? I think she was either coming 605 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,720 down with a rebound or coming down from trying to go up for a 606 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,680 layup. I don't. 607 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,480 One of those. Two, it was one of those Two, 608 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,960 she's because there's a whole tangle of people and that's all 609 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,920 I saw. Yeah. 610 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,080 And she just, you know, got caught up and and and landed 611 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,680 awkwardly, I guess. And Lily, I'm. 612 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,720 Lily apparently has like a It's a sprained ankle. 613 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,080 I'm like, I'm more worried. Fairly severe sprained ankle. 614 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,440 I was about to say I'm more worried for Lily, to be honest 615 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,040 with you. I would think it's based off the 616 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,080 reaction that I saw from both of those players. 617 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,920 And look, Mackenzie came back out. 618 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,160 That's a good sign. She came back out for all the 619 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,400 senior festivities after the. Game you. 620 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,840 Have to. You have to guess. 621 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,280 But yeah. You very easily could by the way 622 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,600 guys, I am so sorry for keeping. I've been sick for the past week 623 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,200 and 1/2 no. Now you're making me cough. 624 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,440 Yeah, I've been sick for the past week and 1/2, so my 625 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,640 apologies on that. But you know it isn't. 626 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,200 Better sign anyway. It's a better sign that 627 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,360 Mackenzie came back right because. 628 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,520 And walking on her own and was telling people she was fine. 629 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,000 Yeah, and look, Lily was. I don't know. 630 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,320 Lily just looked very, very uncomfortable in a lot of pain 631 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,080 when she went down and. I think she was. 632 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,480 I'm pretty sure she was crying when she was over on the bench. 633 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,880 I didn't have a great. View I didn't have a great. 634 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,760 View, but I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure. 635 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,720 And she didn't get up when everybody else got up for the 636 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,160 senior, for the senior stuff, she was still sitting on the 637 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,680 bench. And the thing that sucks too is 638 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,280 they happen not that long after each other. 639 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,080 It was first Mackenzie and then what, like two or three minutes 640 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,920 after? Then it was. 641 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,280 Like I think actually I was going back when I was post game 642 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,760 trying to figure out when each happened. 643 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,320 Mackenzie's happened in the third quarter. 644 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,880 Lily's was in the fourth. Lily went out like she got hurt 645 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,000 with only a few minutes to go in the fourth quarter. 646 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,560 But I so it felt like they were varied soon after. 647 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,520 But I don't think they I really don't think they were but but 648 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,360 because everybody was so focused on when is like where'd 649 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,880 Mackenzie go, Is she coming back out? 650 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,280 I think that the everybody's sense of time shifted. 651 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,800 Mine did, mine did. Because as soon as she went out 652 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,280 and she went back to the locker room like I was, I hate to say 653 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,200 it, but like, I was barely focusing on the game because 654 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,520 there's so much going through your head. 655 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,680 And I saw that her dad got up and went back to the locker room 656 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,960 and her brother went back to the locker room and then her brother 657 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,400 came back out and her dad wasn't back out. 658 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,520 So, like, I was watching all of that and then Lily goes down. 659 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,800 And so I think because everything kind of stopped when 660 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,000 Mackenzie went down, it felt like they were like back-to-back 661 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,200 injuries, but they really weren't because they they had a 662 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,200 significant amount of time where Lily was playing and Mackenzie 663 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,920 was not because they really didn't have Yarden in the five 664 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,800 for that long. When you think about. 665 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,960 It like because Yarden's a lovely. 666 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,120 There it was a couple minutes left in the fourth quarter when 667 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,720 Lily went out. And I know that Mackenzie got 668 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,440 hurt in the third. Yeah, you're correct. 669 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,800 But it's strange how that because it did they it felt like 670 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,800 it was one after another. So because that's what it feels 671 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,760 like because that's that's the impact that they have. 672 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,040 I want to touch on this and and we've talked about this a lot of 673 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:46,040 time or several times throughout the season on on podcast and I I 674 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,800 think you know you you said the reason I'm bringing this up is 675 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,000 because you said Indiana's offense or Indiana's plan in 676 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,920 general revolves around a lot of of post play and obviously 677 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,120 Mackenzie. But I just it's so difficult to 678 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:07,160 me if I was a coach on the staff heading into the season. 679 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,000 You have to say, well, OK, what if I lose Mackenzie? 680 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,520 Or what if I lose Lily? Like, who am I going to go to, 681 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,840 right, I think. They thought they would lose 682 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,120 both. Though I I get that. 683 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,280 But you have to play that in consideration, right? 684 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,520 You have to when you're constructing a roster. 685 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,280 And look, I'll be the first one to tell it or say it and I'll 686 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,360 be. I want to make myself very 687 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,040 clear. I have no idea what goes into 688 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:31,840 recruiting players, how to build a roster, how to get a 12/13/14 689 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,560 maybe. I mean, some teams run 15 690 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,840 players deep, right? I have no idea what that 691 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,199 consists of, and I probably never will have a good enough 692 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,040 idea as coaches, but. Probably not. 693 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,280 Yeah, but I just cannot get around the idea of starting the 694 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,440 season like they did this year with the amount of players that 695 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,520 they did. I mean, you got to. 696 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:59,360 It's like I never liked going into a season with with, you 697 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,320 know, limited players. Zion brought this up last week 698 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,200 in the Iowa game, and I'm just using this as an example. 699 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,200 But look at Kansas men's basketball. 700 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,720 I mean, they have seven players at most that can play the floor. 701 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,760 And then it's a different situation with Indiana. 702 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,960 But now that you subtract Lily and Mackenzie, how many do you 703 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,040 have really? Right, Six. 704 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,680 Right. Six. 705 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:29,280 And so you have Sarah, Sydney Jordan, Chloe, Alexis. 5. 706 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,120 Five, right. I mean, are you going to play 707 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,120 both of the freshmen, the Angelina? 708 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,080 How much are you going to play them? 709 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,280 Well, you haven't played them as much as you've talked that you 710 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,280 were going to this season. Hannah's gotten some minutes, 711 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,760 but you're not going to put Hannah out in in tournament. 712 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,560 Big time situations and she. Doesn't even necessarily see 713 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,040 because she's a, you know, she's a small guard, so. 714 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,840 Right. Well, that's the thing that like 715 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,400 I could see both Juliana and and Lynnae getting significant 716 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,360 minutes because they've proven that they can play in high 717 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,120 pressure situations but not to the level of the other five. 718 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,160 And so that's the thing that like you can put them in in high 719 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,600 pressure situations when you have other pieces to work with. 720 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,280 But when you take out your two post players and you're left 721 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,520 with five like your best five players, are you going to 722 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,320 sacrifice that? And that's that you're you make 723 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,120 a really good point is that I just don't I don't know there's 724 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,160 that's there's so many questions and I don't I don't I have no 725 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,160 answers and it's just kind of where we're at which is a really 726 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,280 unfortunate place to be in in the first week of March that 727 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,520 we're having to talk about the team like this because it's like 728 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,560 you know we we have to but it is it's unfortunate and I think 729 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,760 it's kind of put a damper on the excitement just because you 730 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,960 don't know what's going to happen and you know God forbid 731 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,880 something happens where you know Indiana loses or they can't host 732 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,080 in the NCAA tournament. And then everyone's like all the 733 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,320 questions are about if Mackenzie wasn't hurt or if Lily wasn't 734 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,920 hurt or if this had happened or that or happened because then 735 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,760 that's you know that's that's it. 736 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,680 And that's the worst way to end a season just with two with so 737 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,200 many questions. Well, let's let's look at the 738 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,000 numbers for a quick SEC. There's twelve players on the 739 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,120 roster. Yeah, subtract 2 because 740 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,920 Sharnese, Curry jokes hasn't played this year. 741 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,720 Yeah, Ariel Whisney hasn't played this year. 742 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,120 So then you're down to 10. Now you have your starting five, 743 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,400 but you haven't necessarily given that much playing time 744 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,120 enough for her to be a significant, significant impact 745 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:30,560 for Henna. Yeah. 746 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,120 So that's nine, right? 9 -, 2 is 7. 747 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,040 You lose. You lose Mackenzie and Lily, you 748 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,240 have seven players, seven. And two of those seven are 749 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,840 freshmen that are still learning. 750 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,080 So you essentially have a starting five, right? 751 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,480 Flashbacks to two years ago. Flashbacks to two years ago and 752 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,760 and look and and I think it's a fair criticism because that's 753 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,120 what what's been the situation like these past couple of 754 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,560 seasons with these Terry teams and and again look I have no 755 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,440 idea what goes into making a roster at the NCAA level 756 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,800 especially at Division One Big 10, basketball Power 5. 757 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,720 But if I'm the coach, if I'm a coach, I do not feel 758 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,920 comfortable, no matter how great my players are going into the 759 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,400 season with only twelve players really only 8 to 10 players. 760 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,960 You know what I mean? I just, I just don't. 761 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,400 I just don't And and look it's it's it's it's it's tough to say 762 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:33,440 because even if this, imagine if this team had you know a a A8 763 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,800 person roster like they were 8 deep, right. 764 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,440 You have your starting five and you can confidently trust, you 765 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,000 know, three off the bench, right? 766 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,920 Where would this team be, right? Yeah. 767 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,240 And look, well, so here's the thing that I I don't want to 768 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:49,280 make it seem like they're not confident in their bench because 769 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,320 we've seen like to a certain extent, Terry has a lot of 770 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,360 confidence in her freshman. Yeah, to a certain extent. 771 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,600 I would agree more you. Know like I don't. 772 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,000 I don't want to discount what they've done. 773 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,360 They've been they've been good. They've been able to to help. 774 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,000 You know you bring LEXIS off the bench. 775 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,520 She's been they. They trust their bench, but not 776 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,960 as much as they could. I think if the bench was strong, 777 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,120 like they trust their bench, but their bench isn't necessarily 778 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,720 super strong because I don't want to make it seem like 779 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,480 they're not going to their bench and like that. 780 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,640 They don't want them like you know, everything like that like 781 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,600 they do. Terry, Terry trust them. 782 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,280 But we're we're in the postseason now, and so things 783 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,160 are a little bit different. And another thing about the just 784 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,720 the way this roster is built, I mean, we bring up the three 785 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:36,400 players that mainly come off the bench, Lynnae, Juliana, and 786 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,120 LEXIS. They've all given Indiana 787 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,960 quality minutes, but in the in their in their own way, right? 788 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,960 I mean, this is not going to go out and score more than four 789 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,480 points on any given night. Lenae Lenae is a good ball 790 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,160 handler and can score a little bit, but she's the weaker of 791 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,720 those 3 defensively, right? Juliana's the other way, right? 792 00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,680 She can rebound really well, she can box out really well, she's 793 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,440 good defensively but she cannot handle the ball for more than 794 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,720 two seconds. Right. 795 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,280 That's just my point is like you're. 796 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,880 You're pigeonholed. Yeah you're you're being you're 797 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,960 cornering yourself up against the up against the wall when you 798 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,960 when you build the roster this way that you did. 799 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,160 And look, I know there's so many different factors. 800 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,560 And I, and I'll say it again, I I just, you know, I just don't 801 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,120 know how you can go into the season with this. 802 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,760 Because you have to think if I do lose Mackenzie again, right, 803 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,480 If I do lose Lily Meister, for example, or if I do lose, 804 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,440 however, number of players, who am I going to play? 805 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,280 And look, that's the conversation that we're having 806 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:35,960 right now. Right. 807 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,960 And I think that was The thing is that they didn't ever want to 808 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,960 have those thoughts or have this. 809 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,440 Nobody wanted to have this conversation. 810 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,840 Nobody, nobody ever wants to think about what's going to 811 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,200 happen when you lose Mackenzie Holmes again. 812 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,800 But you're right that that's, it's unfortunate that this is 813 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,520 shedding light on the weaknesses out of Indiana's team right 814 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,040 before they get into the most important part of the season, 815 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,600 arguably, if you want to go for tournament titles and whatnot. 816 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,800 So I have. I have no, I don't know at this 817 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,120 point. You know it's kind of like you 818 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:18,920 you have to hope that Mackenzie and or Lily can play decent 819 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,760 minutes down the down the line. And I mean it's like Terry said 820 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,960 that they're they're looking at NCAA, they're not necessarily 821 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,440 looking at Big 10. I think you have to win a couple 822 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,240 games in the Big 10 to secure your host spot. 823 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,280 But I think they should host anyway. 824 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,080 Yeah. I think any Anna should host 825 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,320 like as long as you don't lose your first game in the Big 10 826 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,240 tournament on Friday night. I think they should be fine. 827 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,040 Yeah. And then then they set their 828 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,120 sights on that and comfortably maybe sit Mackenzie or rest Lily 829 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,440 or however that's going to work. Who knows. 830 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,960 But no, it's it's a it's a it's a strange time. 831 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,040 I feel like because people are so excited about this team, but 832 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,640 then this, there's so many concerns. 833 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,840 That's like the right under the surface that if you think about 834 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,120 it for just like a little bit, then you're like, Oh well, I 835 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,200 don't really know what's going to happen because nobody knows 836 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,080 what this team is. Realistically, nobody knows what 837 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,080 they're going to look like on Friday. 838 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,040 Yeah, so. Yeah, well, well, you brought 839 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,680 this up about Indiana being focused on the NCAA tournament. 840 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:26,120 And my thing is, is, you know, I think Indiana's proudly and very 841 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,680 commendably made themselves one of the national brands these 842 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,200 past couple years. Look, you know, there's a lot of 843 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,400 basketball left to be played during Terry Moore's tenure. 844 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,360 But if they aren't able to have much success in the NCAA 845 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,520 tournament and you know the after these past couple years 846 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,880 and and and in the near future or in the future like if they 847 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,880 don't have that success in the NCAA Tournament. 848 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,840 I think one of or if not the biggest factor for that is just 849 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,680 simply how these rosters have been built well. 850 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,680 We saw that like they made it to the three. 16 and. 851 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,120 There was still criticism about that roster, so yeah. 852 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,120 Yeah, it's, I mean it. It is what it is, right? 853 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,840 I mean, Indiana didn't want to have to be dealing with this at 854 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,880 the start of the tournament season, but they're they're 855 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,200 going to have to, right? They're going to have to and and 856 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,680 look we have no answers. We have no, we have nothing on 857 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,280 their current status besides what you mentioned earlier that 858 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,000 you said earlier today in the press conference. 859 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,200 But one only asked to what right Your mind only goes to the to 860 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,120 the worst option right that you have. 861 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:34,720 To think if they can afford to not play, especially Mackenzie. 862 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,320 If you can afford to not play her at this point, you're going 863 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,040 to not play her in my in my mind. 864 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,920 So that's I'm. I'm curious to see what that 865 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,520 looks like because they've talked about throughout the 866 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,040 entire season limiting her minutes, like keeping her 867 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,600 healthy for the postseason. Well, here we are. 868 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,400 Unfortunately, she's in a worse spot than she was. 869 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,440 But if there's any if there's any way that they can keep 870 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,760 Mackenzie on the bench, I think they're going to. 871 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,960 Yeah. But we'll see. 872 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,640 We'll see just a few more things before we go, because we're 873 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,520 almost up at our our time is almost up, yeah. 874 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,240 It's been a long episode. It is. 875 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:11,560 It's been. I was about to say it's been our 876 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,120 longest episode. We're at 44 minutes. 877 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,440 Oh my gosh, Right now, 45. It's pretty much whoever's. 878 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:16,400 Still listening. Thank you. 879 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,160 Yeah. Thank you. 880 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,800 There's a lot to talk about. Final rankings for Indiana in 881 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,040 the AP poll. They finished 12th in the 882 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,520 country. That was their final ranking of 883 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,560 the season. 4 Hoosiers were named to the all Big 10 teams. 884 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,840 Mackenzie Holmes and Sierra Scalia were named to the first 885 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,120 team, Holmes being unanimous. Chloe Moore McNeil was named to 886 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,080 the second team and then Yard and Gear Zone was named to the 887 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,800 on rule mention team. And with that, Indiana is going 888 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,720 to start their tournament title or excuse me, their tournament 889 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:47,400 play and they're going to be looking for their first Big 10 890 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,960 tournament title since 2002. That was a while. 891 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,400 Ago I was born. I was about. 892 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,360 I was literally about to say I was not born in. 893 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,160 That was 2002. I would not have been born when 894 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,760 they won, because they would have won in March and I would 895 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,360 have been born in June, so it was before I was born. 896 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,160 Neither of us were born at that point. 897 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,800 That's crazy. That is crazy. 898 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,120 A lot of the team wasn't born at that point, either. 899 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:11,920 Yeah, that's a good way to put it, too. 900 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,320 Yeah, so it's been a while since Indiana's won the Big 10 901 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,040 tournament Well, but that does it. 902 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,280 For this week's episode, Amanda will be in Minneapolis, so make 903 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,120 sure you follow her on Twitter. I unfortunately won't be in 904 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,200 Minneapolis. I'll be in good old Saint Louis. 905 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,840 But make sure Amanda, you follow Amanda on Twitter and read all 906 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,320 her stuff. And inside the hall, she's going 907 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,960 to be breeding you guys a lot of coverage from over in 908 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,800 Minneapolis, not just in Minneapolis, but obviously once 909 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,960 the NCAA tournament starts. So once again, Indiana will have 910 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,760 the buy. And so their first game is this 911 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,360 Friday on March 8th, so make sure you you watch that. 912 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,560 But as always, it was a pleasure talking to you guys. 913 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,240 We'll talk to you after the Big 10 tournament as we get ready 914 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:52,160 for all things March Madness. So enjoy the rest of your week 915 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,320 and we'll talk to you guys soon.