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You're listening to the back 
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Welcome back to Crimson cast. 

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This is part one of our 2 
episode Mega blowout reaction 

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podcast tonight. 
As there's some seismic news 

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going on in Indiana, country and
big ten country in college 

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athletics in general, The 
NeverEnding, realignment, cycle 

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of college sports. 
Well, it still hasn't ended and 

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we got some pretty big news 
today that we're going to talk 

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about, and we're going to have 
Scott, and I King later, we're 

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going to do fact. 
We might do that Lyle. 

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I haven't quite decided yet. 
But you know, anytime there's 

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realignment news in college 
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We got to bring our friend Zack 
back on the podcast. 

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I think we've done one of these 
every time. 

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There's been major realignment 
news since like two thousand 

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nine and so why stop the streak 
now Zach back? 

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Joining us again. 
How you doing? 

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Yeah, this is, this is more 
interesting than, like, TCU 

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joining the Big 12, so, you 
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didn't, we didn't do this when 
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join Conference USA. 
It didn't that didn't quite 

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right rise to the bar that we 
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No. 
And I consider that a great 

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personal failure. 
If we really want to get into 

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you know, things we regret you 
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I mean not as much as the Pac-12
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Larry Scott and her prize right 
now. 

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Yeah, worked out. 
Yeah we're going to talk, we're 

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going to go in depth, it's not 
gone. 

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Well, we're going in-depth on 
Larry, Scott here in a little 

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bit, but let's let's, let's 
start this from the very 

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beginning. 
So, today at about, I do one 

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o'clock in the afternoon, maybe 
a little bit later with. 

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There's a tweet that pops up. 
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that, USC, and UCLA to, of 
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the Pac-12 are considering 
perhaps joining Calif. 

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That's in California. 
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there for a week and yes, I can 
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in California, but we get this 
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considering joining the Big Ten.
This comes largely. 

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Lee out of nowhere, at least in 
this news cycle. 

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Not so much out of nowhere, if 
you've been paying attention. 

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But there haven't been any 
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And then within about what four 
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considering maybe doing it and 
there might be interest to at 

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6:00 this evening. 
The Big Ten Commissioners and 

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presidents are meeting to vote 
on accepting UCSC and he's yeah 

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which is how this always happens
when it's the one we podcast 

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about. 
Did we you have that I call it 

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it's like the golden hour but in
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20 minutes in which the cree Is 
a message board at actual 

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reality occupy, the same realm? 
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And they just go past one 
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It's, it's fascinating, a lot of
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Actually, we could power off of 
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we're going, we'll have plenty 
more of these moves to try and 

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test that theory. 
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was John will never broke it. 
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reporters who cover the Pac-12 
at all, basically their John 

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Wilner and John cannizzaro at 
Oregon alive. 

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And the one who was in 
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is in Oregon did not and my 
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welders tweet that blew it up, 
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Did you go? 
But I went back. 

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Remember this sort of thing 
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I go through the person who 
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his tweet directly before it is 
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ever seen which was about an 
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was like on the verge of getting
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when it was some big along lines
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change and you want someone some
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Joking in the comments about how
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It ends up happening and it's 
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than the Pac-12 switching at 
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happens, it goes from nobody's 
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matter of hours, and the timing 
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know, I hadn't thought of it 
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But when somebody said this, it 
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the college athletics year rolls
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So, if you're going to make a 
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Of course these things always go
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You do it as soon as you can 
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right? 
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It 3 p.m. 
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Which is cutting a beautifully 
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Yeah. 
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Here we are. 
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the start of it. 
Now is tonight's news, so I'm 

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excited for the Duke W you game.
So there's a bunch of things to 

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unpack with this and, you know, 
where we start, we could really 

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start anywhere. 
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all, not to Pat myself on the 
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Galaxy brain stuff as far as I'm
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But, you know, when we had The 
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related to college expansion for
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I said, look, the Big Ten, just 
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out of the Pac-12, because 
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If you're going to have Texas 
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and you're the Big Ten and 
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strategic business perspective, 
you have to go, get the biggest 

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remaining fish and maybe, you 
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necessarily as big as a Texas, 
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sports basically. 
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geographical area a top media 
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markets in the United States. 
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remember at the time, like a lot
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were, well, why would the Big 
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the amount of money that their 
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would you expand unless Needed 
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Why would you do something so 
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all seem like old arguments to 
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And when you look at this and 
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correct, that USC and UCLA were 
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and they were the ones that made
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were the ones that were 
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You know, whether or not the Big
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on the on honor or the 
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The unreasonable ones that's an 
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You just can't turn down. 
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of real politic of college 
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so many people seem to be 
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geography and college 
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matter. 
It's it's about the least 

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important thing at this stage in
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marketing and ratings and 
revenue is really what rules the

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day. 
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Ten, you're basically picking up
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that's not distressed because of
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distressed of the who the 
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point are Yeah, I do. 
I value geography. 

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A little more than you. 
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for folks, to consider in terms 
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in the Pac-12, as a whole, is 
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every single car Conference 
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They play in every sport. 
They are getting on a plane now 

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as it is in the Pac-12. 
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And that's true for pretty much 
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Oregon could bus to Washington, 
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Oregon Athletics, I bet they 
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So every Pac-12 Team, every trip
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ride already now. 
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but there, I bet there are some 
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trips than the Washington, and 
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Oregon State, and that's a 
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So there's that Terms of the 
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we've learned a situation where,
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Partners Fox. 
It's the biggest card that they 

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could play. 
In terms of Leverage, we do a 

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big 12, Big 12, the Big Ten as, 
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Middle TV negotiations, 
basically being led by Fox. 

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And while, I don't think it's 
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Interesting as a leveraging. 
Oklahoma, and Texas of what was 

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available, it's as good as they 
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one. 
I mean, it's huge. 

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Pools in a huge Market that I 
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much about college sports. 
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a big, big market and I think, 
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mean, this seems like something 
where the schools came to them. 

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I think also, what plays a huge 
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that USC, and UCLA see, which 
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of TV, negotiations? 
See the way it is right now for 

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the Pac-12, which is not great. 
And know that we're it was going

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to go. 
When they come finally, could do

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a new deal in. 2024 was not 
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It was going to be better but 
the Gap, the degree to, which 

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the Gap is widening. 
Between, let's say the Big 12 in

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the FEC is one thing. 
Even though it's reduced the Big

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12, the school leaving, but the 
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SEC and the Big Ten is a 
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Yeah. 
I mean it's I mean where you get

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to a point where it seems like 
it'll probably 60 million a year

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and if you want to weigh it, 
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You just if your conference 
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apple and Amazon or something. 
Which I mean, if I'm USC or 

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UCLA, if I'm Washington State, 
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where I just brought Lincoln 
Riley in for the gross domestic 

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product of Guatemala. 
I'm not, I'm not looking 

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positively to situation with. 
The only way we can hope to not 

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get completely reamed on TV. 
Money is if we go with someone 

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who's never really broadcast, 
the college lie, so the money 

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wasn't is not going to be there 
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Even if those schools would say 
that just didn't seem Or not 

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going to be there anywhere close
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to wear the Big 10 and or the 
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Their new deals haven't even 
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The Big Ten one has been signed,
so they're not near them right 

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now. 
Where are they going to be in 

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2030? 
It's like that's why UCLA USC, 

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just pulled the ripcord and 
because they had to get out now 

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where they were going to be, 
they were going to be a real 

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financial trouble, the financial
the financial distance that 

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we're looking at potentially 
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where they're going to be 
pulling in about a hundred 

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million dollars per School per 
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Not in total revenue but just in
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And that for Big Ten schools 
right now represents about 125 

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percent increase over what 
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is about 40 million dollars a 
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I mean so you take that hundred 
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you compare it to what Pac-12 
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Aching under this same vision or
the same era. 

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It's like comparing a power five
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in terms of Revenue models. 
If you look at it like 20 years 

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ago, and this idea that there's 
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existent between these different
conferences and what they do and

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you know, you met. 
So there was a tweet from front 

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office Sports earlier the 
Pac-12, meteorites Revenue 

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distribution for 20 21 is going 
to be approximately 20 million 

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dollars per school. 
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Like at a point that is half 
that of, what the big, ten 

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schools are going to make in the
same year, and now you're 

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talking about exponential jumps 
beyond that. 

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Yeah. 
If you're USC and UCLA, I think 

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you're looking at this and 
you're like, this is crazy. 

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It's interesting. 
Because there was a, there was 

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an interesting piece on on three
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podcast that they had done and 
one of their college football, 

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analyst JD pick, L, was talking 
about this and You know, there's

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some reputational elements to 
this, also, which is that it's 

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not just that you're not making 
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you're a USC and so it's like 
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to get away from that perception
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commissioner assistant meeting 
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you know, by accident in like a 
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where there's a conversation had
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interested, what would you say? 
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at Thanksgiving of last year for
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also most important thing here, 
Gail and yeah. 

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Kailyn. 
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convention in person, Las Vegas,
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athletics, officials from every 
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single TV partner and college. 
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you want to keep it kind of 
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anything. 
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it's Vegas. 
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desert. 
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the Pac-12. 
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this puzzle. 
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inability to Checkmate, the bowl
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Michigan. 
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of the Big Ten in the 1920s. 
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doing pretty well. 
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up, he's no longer in office. 
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2024 and essentially the Pac-12 
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that matters, I mean, We've 
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in a variety of contexts but 
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how Central of a character he's 
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10 to 15 years when people go 
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we got to where we are right 
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Comedy is one that should be 
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it just every decision. 
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bigger ways and it costly or 
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just starting the network that's
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We're going to go on our own. 
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That's a little weird. 
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seven that works. 
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And we're going to do we're 
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going to Broad. 
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broadcast the level of which 
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Lee. 
SP and NBC, and CBS. 

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Don't you there sports for like 
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We're going to San Francisco, 
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office. 
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What we're going to move the 
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Well, that's not bad. 
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Okay. 
I'm also going to require my own

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suite for a week at the top of 
the Aria. 

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Wow. 
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It's like when Pete when people 
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whose downfalls mirror, this 
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Marcos comes to college 
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It's like all of the things that
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doing the submarine, the NHL, 
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the of the NBA. 
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of that. 
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like 30 years. 
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Larry Scott got sent to the 
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under cover of darkness. 
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This long-form destruction of 
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Its it is to all those things 
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article that I would recommend 
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I retweeted it that Jim 
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Register Road and it was it just
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that you just mentioned. 
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It's a conference that, I mean, 
it it's got the largest state by

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population in the union and yes,
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important in California, but USC
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California. 
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basketball is important as a 
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Like when those programs are 
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for decades, you know, 
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everything over and to watch. 
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disintegrate because of one bad 
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or their most relevant teams, go
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I don't think it's just 
fascinating from historical 

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perspective for me. 
Lots of leaks have a bad decade.

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They usually don't die, right? 
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the only league in their third 
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They have a monopsonist really 
and yet they just made bad play 

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after bad. 
Play any treasure for yeah. 

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Hiring the guy who ran the WTA 
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anybody really watch aw tapes. 
Ta event, not a major those. 

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It's like golf the tennis Majors
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RPP. 
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experience was negotiating. 
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with the Tennis Channel, which 
is not exactly the same as going

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to Market when you're starting a
brand-new colors, Sports Network

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for a league in, which are 
highlighted. 

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God bless him? 
I love him, man. 

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The water. 
Polo in vain. 

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Tory is going to be a real hairy
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If you're not going to Parker 
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done a network before, and then 
the whole moving to San 

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Francisco thing at that, really 
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We all learned that we can do 
any of these jobs from anywhere,

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as. 
Oh, yeah, we get. 

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Well, as we're sitting here. 
UCLA has announced that they 

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will be joining the Big Ten in 
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Yep, well, we'll see you in 
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H. 
This is, I mean, the Texas. 

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Oklahoma thing was fast. 
It was not this fast that took a

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couple of days. 
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This thing was they texted are 
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technology of Southern 
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it's to completely Leave Act. 
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I mean, it's all. 
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I gotta say I will, I will I 
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Kevin Warren. 
Who I was pretty critical about.

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When the, when the, when the 
Texas and Oklahoma stuff came 

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out because, and look, I think 
you have to think about these 

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things more in political terms 
and business terms than 

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competitive terms and the 
argument at the time, was what 

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the Big Ten looks like. 
It's standing Pat while the SEC 

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races, past them for financial 
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relevancy. 
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this was something that was 
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decisions, and maybe it's I'm 
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like allow the Big Ten to save 
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I don't know what it is. 
But still this is this is a key 

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move and I was very worried. 
Frankly about the Big Ten 

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potentially getting 
outmaneuvered on the national 

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stage by with the SEC had done. 
And so, I do think that Warren 

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deserves a lot of credit for 
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least putting the Big Ten in 
position and getting everybody 

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wind up to agree to this because
it really does completely change

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the game. 
Bored at this point, as far as 

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College athletics is concerned. 
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for that because you were 
critical of him. 

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But you have the ability to say,
okay things changed. 

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I am utterly fascinated, justly,
I'm leaning forward in my chair 

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to see how the Ohio State 
Transit. 

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Going to spin this one because 
those folks wanted Kevin Warren 

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dead because he didn't want to 
play football in a pandemic and 

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he was bad for the league and 
we're going to protest outside 

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the show, the foul and stuff and
Kevin Warren. 

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And he took that personally 
because this dude has completely

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changed the landscape for his 
league and may just be starting 

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by the sounds of it and it's a 
mess of move for them. 

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It's completely. 
It's it's a vote in favor of The

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fact they went outside to go 
system of the league to get 

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somebody. 
They didn't hire a commissioner 

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who is busy worshipping, the 
sacred bonds of the Rose Bowl 

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and the Pac-12 in the Big Ten 
Alliance. 

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And of course, speaking of 
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got an offer to do something 
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He asked for the gun, so and the
presidents of the Big Ten did 

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not try and stop him. 
I do wonder about the speed of 

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this. 
If the faster you do something 

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like you, do you shoot first, 
ask questions later? 

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Sort of move. 
But I don't think there would 

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have been any pushback in the 
Big Ten on this. 

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I think it's something you can 
answer this better and I could 

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go. 
And it's like there's no Reserve

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any resistance inside? 
The Big Ten on this in terms of 

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fan bases, is there? 
Well, this is, it's wild and you

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alluded to it at the beginning. 
But before we started recording,

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a lot of people don't like this.
They're they're, they're opposed

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to the geographical lack of fit.
They're opposed to, you know, 

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it's if course everybody's in 
like, you know, the Grab phase 

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of things. 
And, you know, this is just 

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greed and all of this and, you 
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My, when I look at people, 
people don't like change people.

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You mean n IL and everything 
that's happened in college 

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athletics lately. 
People have been really opposed 

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to it and I don't think people 
are going to Care in two or 

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three years about n IL. 
They care now because it's 

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different and different must be 
bad and because it's a 

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different, you know, it's a 
change in in what they have 

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perceived. 
Received college sports to be 

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and I look at this and kind of 
the same way where I understand 

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why people look at this and they
have a hard time cognitively 

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with their, you know, the idea 
of to Los Angeles schools in the

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Big Ten. 
I get it. 

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It is definitely different. 
But I think look, that we've 

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00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,100
been in a different phase of 
college sports since about 2005.

448
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:08,200
I mean, I think if you go back, 
you can think you can really 

449
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,900
date it 2003, when the UCC 
basically cut the the the 

450
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:17,800
testicles out of the Big East, 
you know, and they take Miami 

451
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,900
and they take Virginia Tech and 
they essentially completely 

452
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:25,700
change the entire Foundation of 
College athletics that changed 

453
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:27,900
the game. 
And the old rules that just 

454
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:29,800
basically didn't apply at that 
point. 

455
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,300
So I look at this and yeah, of 
course, money is going to be 

456
00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:35,500
made. 
I don't look at this as a greedy

457
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,400
thing. 
I look at this as a survival 

458
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,000
thing for both the Big Ten and 
the LA schools. 

459
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,600
And if anybody else ends up 
jumping in on this, I think all 

460
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,100
it does, is it it really lays 
bare the reality of college 

461
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:51,200
sports, which is that it's a 
professional Enterprise, there's

462
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,000
a lot of money involved, there's
a lot of Market positioning that

463
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,000
you have to do and you have to 
be a nationwide brand, you can't

464
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,400
afford to be a regional brand. 
If you're going to be a regional

465
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,400
brand, you have to be like the 
SEC where you are. 

466
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,900
Just like, so good at one or two
particular sports, that it it 

467
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,400
allows you to be a national And 
because everybody wants to 

468
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,800
follow along with what you're 
doing. 

469
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,400
So look, I understand the 
resistance, I understand why 

470
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,100
people are reacting negatively, 
but I don't think at this point 

471
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:24,000
that it's anything, but a good 
thing, it's not going to ruin 

472
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:26,300
the Big Ten. 
It's going to make it different,

473
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,300
but the alternative is being the
permanent second-tier conference

474
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:33,900
to the SEC, who financially 
would start lapping, you very 

475
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:39,300
quickly if the current order or 
the order prior to 559 today was

476
00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:40,800
the one that was going to Stay 
in place. 

477
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,700
I don't know. 
I mean, am I off base here or 

478
00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:46,800
what? 
No, I would this drop today. 

479
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,000
I was honestly, I had less of a 
problem with the tonight did so 

480
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,600
to speak with the Texas Oklahoma
one. 

481
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,100
And I wondered, is that simply 
because of the order in which 

482
00:26:57,100 --> 00:27:00,500
they occurred, because I look at
them as basically, the same sort

483
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:02,800
of move. 
They're just the ultimate. 

484
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,600
There is no attempt to pretense 
here. 

485
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:10,600
This is a market move, this is a
move. 

486
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,000
I need to read you some profit 
just for Texas, Oklahoma and 

487
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,900
Laughing your butt off. 
So I need to know why I need to 

488
00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:21,100
read this statement from the 
UCLA director of Athletics, that

489
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:25,800
just got put on to Twitter. 
So, this is a Martin jar mod, 

490
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,400
the former, the former Boston 
College's, athletic director. 

491
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:33,400
It's always those bastard. 
We're it's not just the Yukon 

492
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,400
fans. 
They ruined everything. 

493
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,900
Sorry, go ahead. 
There's some sweet Martin Sharma

494
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,200
who by the way was like this 
close to getting fired because 

495
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,900
there are serious issues in the 
UCL a-- F life. 

496
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:47,300
Department involving abuse and 
boy are those on the back burner

497
00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:50,900
now, yeah, please read mr. 
Charm on statement, UCLA 

498
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:53,800
Athletics, primary 
responsibility is to our student

499
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,400
athletes to supporting them and 
providing them with the 

500
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,700
resources and opportunities to 
have an elite experience. 

501
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:03,000
While they represent the four 
letters after thoughtful 

502
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,700
deliberation, we came to the 
conclusion, that the best way to

503
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:10,700
do that amidst amidst rapidly 
Changing Times in college. 

504
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:14,000
Athletics is to join the Big Ten
Conference from increased. 

505
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:16,800
Exposure and a broader National 
platform for our 

506
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,900
student-athletes to enhanced 
resources. 

507
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:21,200
For our team's. 
This move will help preserve the

508
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,000
legacy of UCLA UCLA Athletics 
for generations to come. 

509
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:28,100
We have deeply valued our 
membership in the Pac-12. 

510
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:31,000
And we have great respect for 
the conference that our fellow 

511
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,900
member institutions. 
But he's School faces, its own, 

512
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,900
its own unique challenges and 
circumstances. 

513
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,800
We believe this is the right 
move for UCLA at the right time 

514
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:50,100
just that's in and quote, Lars 
Swats of that is like are good. 

515
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:54,600
First of all, be closed. 
We believe this is in the best 

516
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,300
interest of UCLA. 
It's honest and it doesn't run 

517
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:00,300
away from money. 
It isn't hiding behind an 

518
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:03,700
academic partnership or 
something with research money. 

519
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:06,600
They're very upfront about this.
But at the same time, after 

520
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,600
careful deliberation, we decided
to leave a conference. 

521
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,600
We've been associated with for 
100 years on a June afternoon. 

522
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:15,600
Like it just leaving for dead 
in. 

523
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,100
Barstow, this is Absolutely 
shoot it in the middle of its 

524
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:25,600
face but we have respect for 
Washington State as we just 

525
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,800
murder it. 
The Utah I'll say that this I'll

526
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,200
give I'll give you see it. 
I'll give the University of 

527
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,600
Southern California, slightly 
more credit, they had their 

528
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,400
president come out and make a 
statement on this but I'm 

529
00:29:40,400 --> 00:30:09,100
surprised. 
So here's the thing, it's almost

530
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:12,700
the same statement that I just 
read from the UCLA athletic 

531
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:15,500
director. 
Yeah, we're joining a storied 

532
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:17,700
conference. 
The chairs are the same Loft 

533
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,000
that shares our commitment to 
academic excellence in academic 

534
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,700
athletic competitiveness, and 
we're positioning USC, and our 

535
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,800
student athletes for long-term 
success and stability. 

536
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:30,100
Mm, it's the rapidly evolving, 
Sports, media and Collegiate, 

537
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:34,700
athletic, Landscapes ultimate. 
This is from Mike bone, the 

538
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:38,600
athletic director. 
Ultimately, the Big Ten is the 

539
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,100
best home for USC and Trojan 
Athletics. 

540
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:44,000
As we move into the new world of
Collegiate Sports, it sounds 

541
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,600
like they were listening to the 
podcast earlier, you know? 

542
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,400
It's Well, about, it's about 
time. 

543
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:53,900
Yes, we are excited that our 
values align with the League's 

544
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:58,800
member institutions. 
We will also, we also will 

545
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,400
benefit from the stability and 
strength of the conference. 

546
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,200
The athletic caliber of big head
institutions, The increased 

547
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,500
visibility exposure and 
resources. 

548
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:10,500
The coverage will bring to our 
student athletes and programs in

549
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:13,600
the ability to expand engagement
with our passionate alumni 

550
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,700
Nationwide. 
I mean, wow, they just left the 

551
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:20,400
knife. 
In the back, the interesting 

552
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,900
thing in both of those 
statements that the similarity 

553
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:24,900
actually makes a lot of 
sensitive about, like, how many 

554
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:26,900
different things could they have
said? 

555
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:30,100
It's not a lot here. 
This isn't like well shitting. 

556
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:33,900
So in the Donetsk region, 
there's a hold on to which is 

557
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:36,400
both statements. 
They mentioned TV is interesting

558
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,200
and media got sorry. 
So there was more from UCLA. 

559
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,800
And I think this was, this was a
larger statement for our fans 

560
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:48,000
for our fans, Big Ten membership
equates to Better television 

561
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,700
time slots for our road games 
but the same number of home 

562
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:54,200
games. 
Either at the Rose Bowl in 

563
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,200
Pauley Pavilion or other UCLA 
venues we will make efforts to 

564
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,700
preserve our traditional 
Regional rivalries and are 

565
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:02,200
pleased that our Crosstown 
rival. 

566
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,300
USC will also be joining the Big
10 and 24 25 which is really 

567
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:09,800
interesting way of positioning 
it because it's like, hey guys, 

568
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,400
we don't want to give up any 
home games. 

569
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,800
You're going to get all those 
will just be road-tripping in 

570
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,900
two different spots. 
What I the whole time I haven't 

571
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,100
understood, why de facto schools
hate the lake kickoffs but like 

572
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:27,300
do you look at a map? 
Like they're the only been a 

573
00:32:27,308 --> 00:32:30,400
major conference in the Pacific 
time zone. 

574
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,300
Yeah. 
The TV networks want to have 

575
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:37,000
games at 10 p.m. 
Eastern which makes an 

576
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,800
interesting. 
It's an interesting thing to the

577
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,200
way. 
Yeah. 

578
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,200
By the way, news to USC and 
UCLA, if you think you're 

579
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,600
getting less 10:00 kickoffs, but
not as many as they probably 

580
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,000
are. 
Well, this was ours going to 

581
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,000
say. 
Like there must be some kind of 

582
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,100
big protections here for USC and
UCLA in the negotiations where 

583
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:55,700
they're like, hey guess what? 
We'll do this. 

584
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,800
But we want like 4 p.m. local 
kickoffs at the latest. 

585
00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:02,900
Like, we don't want any more of 
this 10:00 or 11:00 stuff that 

586
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:07,200
ESPN has been doing or that fox 
has been doing which look, if 

587
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,800
that's if that's what they 
wanted. 

588
00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:12,200
That's an easy gift like fought,
you know, big Ten's like yeah, 

589
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,500
sure, no problem. 
We don't want our games on at 11

590
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:16,900
o'clock, local time either. 
Yeah, you know. 

591
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:20,800
So, It's so it'll be you know 
kind of it's the perfect 

592
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,300
marriage because you won't 
believe in the big tent which 

593
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:27,400
like Everyone likes being at 11 
a.m. and you have schools in a 

594
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,200
league where nobody likes me. 
Get that for you. 

595
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,100
Yeah, like so it's, it's yeah, 
you can take 4:00, like, about 

596
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:37,000
if Michigan kicked off at 4:00. 
In a lot of situations the fan 

597
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,800
to be pissed off. 
Like, don't take an IQ but 4:00 

598
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,000
then. 
Look, what the hell, yeah. 

599
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,400
They'd rather be at noon or 
eight. 

600
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,400
That's it. 
So you tell them, we only want 

601
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,800
four o'clock Eastern. 
The last. 

602
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,700
How many? 
So, It does, but there are going

603
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,200
to be a push or a few games a 
year that are going to end up at

604
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,300
the 10:00. 
But I mean I don't think USC was

605
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:55,900
worried about like the Calle De 
that's actually the cover played

606
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:59,300
nephew, if there weren't worried
about the Nevada game being at 

607
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:03,400
10:00 they were worried about 
Arizona. 

608
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,400
And then next week, ever since 
taping at 10:00, which I think 

609
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,300
is a stupid worried. 
But I understand, I understand 

610
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:11,400
what fans complained about. 
I get that the fact that like 

611
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,199
the athletic directors like 
cared, like the check cleared, 

612
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,500
what do you care, right? 
So but it's the degree that the 

613
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:23,699
amount of meteorites references 
in both statements and the 

614
00:34:23,707 --> 00:34:28,800
specific nature of our current 
deal sucks and here's 

615
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,699
specifically why it sucks and 
what we don't like about it. 

616
00:34:31,699 --> 00:34:35,400
That is, it's taking out from 
And the curtain, all the stuff 

617
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,600
that cannizzaro and Wilner have 
been reporting about this is 

618
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,600
quite this wasn't just like a 
fan thing. 

619
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,400
It eventually it was a kind of a
critical mass of Fame complaints

620
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,600
and athletic department, 
complaints. 

621
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:51,800
I mean, to that point, like do 
they even go to the Pac-12 and 

622
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,199
say, well, if you can match this
will stay. 

623
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,300
Nope, they were just gone. 
There were gone, they've been 

624
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,400
there a hundred years. 
They got it off of the big The 

625
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,500
Pact never gonna get this, 
right? 

626
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:02,700
They got an offer from the Big 
Ten that had what they wanted 

627
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:04,400
and that was it. 
They were out they were Route. 

628
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,000
They weren't going to go. 
She ate even though they would 

629
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,700
have had an incredible amount of
Leverage with the Pac-12 and 

630
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:12,100
amount of Leverage that will 
become very apparent in the next

631
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:14,400
couple of months. 
They just were gone. 

632
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:18,100
They were they, they were it 
tells you how deeply they 

633
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:21,800
believe in this thing that they 
didn't even need to listen to 

634
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,900
what the Pac-12 had to say, even
even with without Larry, Scott 

635
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:27,500
being involved for the last 
year. 

636
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,500
Yeah. 
And even when it seems like 

637
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,700
things have actually started to 
stabilize in terms of 

638
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:36,400
performance, the Riley higher 
was I thought seismic for that 

639
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,200
league and it was going to save 
the league gal. 

640
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:49,200
It hasn't quite done that. 
And now yeah, here's the school.

641
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,100
It's done. 
It's done, it's done. 

642
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:53,800
So the last question, I'll ask 
and then I'm going to let you 

643
00:35:53,808 --> 00:35:57,000
go. 
What what's the next move? 

644
00:35:57,100 --> 00:35:58,900
What's the next? 
Big move in college sports. 

645
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:02,900
So we've heard, we heard a lot 
of the chatter around this not 

646
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:06,600
just that the Big Ten I was 
taking USC and UCLA but that the

647
00:36:06,607 --> 00:36:10,400
Big Ten may not be done, which 
means the Big Ten is definitely 

648
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,400
not done. 
So right, there's a bunch of 

649
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,200
things on the table. 
So there's there's a few 

650
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,500
scenarios, I'll throw at you and
you can take whichever one you 

651
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:21,000
want one of them is okay. 
Are there any is there any more 

652
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,600
meat left to pick off the bones 
of the Pac-12? 

653
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:28,700
You know you've got obviously 
you've got Oregon and 

654
00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:33,300
Washington, we know Washington 
obviously the prime School in 

655
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:36,000
the Seattle Market. 
One of the few schools that 

656
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,700
regularly does, at least a for 
rating or better in college 

657
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:43,400
football games. 
Obviously Oregon is kind of its 

658
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,300
own National brand and now in a 
very weird way, although, it 

659
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:49,700
doesn't have much of a market 
media-wise, you've got Cal and 

660
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:53,200
Stanford Stanford's a big 
feather in the cap for anybody 

661
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,800
from an academic perspective and
they still have a decent F, 

662
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,900
athletic brand, but then you've 
also got Notre Dame, who there 

663
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:03,200
was a an anonymous quote that 
Adam Rittenberg had out there. 

664
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,000
Which said in Words to Notre 
Dame. 

665
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:08,400
It's getting essentially 
untenable to be an independent 

666
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:13,400
at this point and it's a great. 
Well that's a great fair enough 

667
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,300
and you amass we're doing it 
there it up. 

668
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,900
Correct. 
But then you've also got the the

669
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:26,500
other elephant in the room here 
is the ACC and the fact that Jim

670
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:33,600
Swafford signed a deal that 
lasts until 2036 lasts until I 

671
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,200
mean Talking about what they 
haven't even picked an Olympic 

672
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,100
host or a World Cup host for as 
far out as this deal goes. 

673
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:45,300
And it's only been the bribes 
out and it's so far out and it 

674
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:48,800
hasn't, and it's generating 
about what 17 to 20 million 

675
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,100
dollars. 
A year per ACC school and that 

676
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:54,900
number is not going to go up 
unless they get to renegotiate. 

677
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:57,200
The contract, which is why they 
brought Jim Phillips in, as the 

678
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,800
commissioner, but they, they 
have no leverage like ESPN. 

679
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,200
The only leverage they have is 
ESPN wanting to counter Fox At 

680
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,300
this point and I don't know if 
they really care that much given

681
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:10,600
what they've got going with the 
SEC so that to me puts a lot of 

682
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,100
those ACC schools in play. 
It puts, you know, if you wanted

683
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:16,100
to go football, it puts Miami 
and play. 

684
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:19,300
It puts Florida State in play. 
If you wanted to go, if you 

685
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:22,500
wanted to cut the heart out of 
the ACC suddenly North Carolina 

686
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:26,100
Duke and Virginia are in play. 
Certainly you could peel Notre 

687
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:28,800
Dame off if you wanted to try. 
So I guess the question I would 

688
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,100
have is if you're the Big Ten 
and you know, that any schools 

689
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:35,900
you add are going to Have to add
some significant Revenue, 

690
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,500
positive value. 
Probably in most cases to get 

691
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:40,900
agreement. 
What, if anything would you do? 

692
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:43,300
Would you stand Pat with these 
two schools? 

693
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:45,300
Would you go elsewhere or what 
would you do? 

694
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,900
Well, but this virtually broke. 
I actually thought it was a good

695
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:51,100
day for the ACC. 
I thought about that whole Lions

696
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:52,500
thing. 
I thought a lot of this was the 

697
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:57,000
ACC part of the alliance, going 
to the going to the Big Ten 

698
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,900
going. 
Yeah, no. 

699
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:01,200
You should do that because it 
helps the chances of them 

700
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,700
getting Notre Dame into the ACC 
as the days gone on. 

701
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:07,900
I don't think that as much now, 
and if it look and willner 

702
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,100
saying they're thinking about 
it, and he broke this, I'm 

703
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:11,500
willing to think the thinking 
about it. 

704
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,000
So, if I'm them, it's easy to 
say, Washington, Oregon and 

705
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,900
Idaho. 
I agree except I think that the 

706
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:21,500
political it's politically 
untenable to take Washington 

707
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:23,700
Oregon and not take Washington 
State and Oregon State. 

708
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,700
I think I don't think that would
work. 

709
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,000
I think there's just too much. 
It's not like like it was hard 

710
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,700
enough to get the Texas schools,
because they all hate each 

711
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:33,100
other. 
I just don't think they could 

712
00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:35,700
politically, pull that off to 
leave both Washington State and 

713
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:38,200
Oregon, stay behind and Oregon. 
And Oregon State are actually 

714
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,400
very close as schools. 
One of the things that hurt the 

715
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,700
Pac-12, didn't the rivals didn't
nearly hate each other as much 

716
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:47,700
as would have, made the More 
successful, like that's better 

717
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:50,500
in terms of humanity, but it 
makes it harder to do things. 

718
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:54,100
Like, I'm not saying, Oregon, 
wouldn't stab, Oregon state in 

719
00:39:54,107 --> 00:39:56,400
the back of the film is giving a
lot of money to Oregon State 

720
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,100
people realize well, and they 
can kiss him off, and people 

721
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:02,500
forget people, people, people 
Washington, Oregon, people, 

722
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:06,000
forget there's precedent for 
this because the big when the 

723
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,700
when the big eight was trying to
swallow the southwestern 

724
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:13,600
conference, all they wanted was 
Texas and Texas A&M and the 

725
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,300
Texas state legislature. 
If I remember correctly for Them

726
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:19,300
to also take Baylor and Texas 
Tech or the whole thing was off.

727
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:23,500
Now obviously those bonds 
haven't lasted that long but 

728
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:29,100
this is not an unheard-of thing.
Sorry, go ahead. so so because 

729
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:31,700
of that, while I would say 
Washington, Oregon out I think 

730
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:35,600
There's just too much that would
have happened if they might do 

731
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:36,800
it. 
Also allows you to say we've got

732
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,400
all the California, you take 
Stanford and couch, God knows, 

733
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,400
the big, the big 10 cannot wait 
in the Big. 

734
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,300
Ten is fluttering at the ability
to tell Stanford academically. 

735
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,600
They're like vibrating at the 
ability to do it and Cal, 

736
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,800
congratulate your in because 
they need a true Dragon partner.

737
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,600
So I think Stanford Cal and 
honestly, if they go after the 

738
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,600
ACC, I think you offer 
duke-north Carolina, you just 

739
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,300
don't mess around. 
There's it's for what they are 

740
00:40:58,300 --> 00:40:59,700
now. 
It's obviously the moment of 

741
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:02,200
greatest transition for what 
they're known for, but at the 

742
00:41:02,207 --> 00:41:08,000
same time, It's the most I think
guaranteed lock thing to work 

743
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,300
for what you're bringing them in
for, I think that makes more 

744
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,300
sense. 
I don't, I mean Notre Dame's. 

745
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:15,200
The what everyone says, but we 
had 110 years with this well, 

746
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,400
and as I say that you're about 
to tell me that like they're 

747
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,000
joining. 
No not yet. 

748
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,900
Not yet. 
Although I think I think it's 

749
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:24,500
more on the table now because at
this point ordered a doesn't 

750
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:26,800
have a choice financially. 
But no, the reason I got it, 

751
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,100
giddy, John or. 
And from I think it's that. 

752
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:32,400
How you pronounce his last name.
I've never actually known from 

753
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,600
the sports business. 
Journal. 

754
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,300
Just gotta all ran Sports 
position, just tweeted the 

755
00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:40,000
following. 
Apple told the Big Ten it wants 

756
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,500
to re-engage in media talks 
after it heard about USC, and 

757
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:49,400
UCLA joining the conference. 
Guess what the pot might grow 

758
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:56,100
some more here? 
I bet it's just tremendous. 

759
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:58,200
I love it. 
Well, the other thing that 

760
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,400
you've got so much, you've got 
so much volume in. 

761
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:06,100
If this thing goes to 20:22 
model, this is sort of thing 

762
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:08,900
where like boxing me the primary
and it's being can still get a 

763
00:42:08,908 --> 00:42:10,800
crap load and apple gets a 
crapload. 

764
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,900
There's so much. 
There's so much to go around for

765
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:15,400
everybody. 
It's the sort of thing where 

766
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,400
it's so big. 
You actually don't get media 

767
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,600
companies working against one of
everyone's just happy. 

768
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,300
I will give you this much and 
we'll get this much. 

769
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:23,000
And we on the well care about 
what we don't have. 

770
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,600
You know what it is so much. 
It's the, you know, it's the NFL

771
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,900
and this is the thing that 
people who don't follow Sports 

772
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:31,300
closely enough. 
Don't get like, why is the NFL 

773
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:34,000
so financially successful? 
It's because Why they are so 

774
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,400
important as a marketing entity 
as an entertainment entity that 

775
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:43,000
every major media entity is 
their business partner. 

776
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,900
And those business partners will
pay literally whatever the NFL 

777
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:51,300
demands to stay a partner. 
Now, I'm not saying that the Big

778
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:55,100
Ten alone is going to get to 
quite that level, but we're 

779
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:58,200
already talking about the first 
billion dollar television deal. 

780
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,900
Combined. 
It could go higher than that and

781
00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:03,000
you know what the long-term 
thing? 

782
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,200
The thing we'll talk about the 
next time we podcast is at some 

783
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,100
point and this is where I think,
if you're smart and you're the 

784
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:13,800
Big Ten, you cut the heart out 
of the ACC, either by taking 

785
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,300
duke-north Carolina or Duke 
Virginia, North Carolina, 

786
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:20,700
Virginia or whatever. 
Because at some point you get to

787
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,200
a big 10 mega conference versus 
SEC Mega conference and 

788
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,100
everybody has to have games from
both and that's how everybody 

789
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:29,800
makes money. 
And that runs counter to how a 

790
00:43:29,808 --> 00:43:31,100
lot of people have thought about
this. 

791
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:33,000
But it's a lot different with 
two major players. 

792
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,000
Hours than it was with five or 
six. 

793
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,600
And that's ultimately the big 
difference that we're seeing 

794
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,300
right now that we didn't see 10 
years ago. 

795
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:43,000
Yeah, the sweetest thing today 
is with people talking about 

796
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,500
there being three super 
confidence. 

797
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:46,400
Oh honey. 
Oh honey. 

798
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,100
If you think the ACC is last for
this all you are there just a 

799
00:43:51,107 --> 00:43:55,600
class just a fly dancing in a 
hurricane there because then my 

800
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,100
other thing here is like I'm 
fascinated by what happens with 

801
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:00,000
this with the like for the 
Pac-12. 

802
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,100
Like where do you backfill? 
Like it's easy to assume the the

803
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:05,100
Big 12. 
I honestly think you look at the

804
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:07,700
Mountain West schools but I 
don't think they do that. 

805
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:10,100
I mean, I don't know. 
Vadas not much. 

806
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:12,700
Like really is the pet store 
solution going to be to add 

807
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:15,500
Texas Tech and Kansas State. 
I mean really. 

808
00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:18,700
Yeah, well I wouldn't do we just
put them on the bag and shake 

809
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:20,800
them up and then we'll see, you 
know, tell me. 

810
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,600
Well, who are iOS? 
8 is playing West Virginia. 

811
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,400
I mean, at this point isn't the 
Big 12 more likely aggressor 

812
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,000
than the Pac-12, like, aren't 
they? 

813
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,700
The ones grabbing the Arizona 
schools, rather than the other 

814
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:35,700
way around. 
I think so, because at this 

815
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:39,300
point, if I'm, if I'm if I'm 
here, if I mute on, if I mute 

816
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:43,800
on, if I'm Utah and Colorado. 
I'm like, what did we do? 

817
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:47,700
And why did we do it? 
It's like now, like, you've got 

818
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:49,600
a direction. 
You've got to go and it's cause 

819
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,600
different, Utah's different if 
this leaves. 

820
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,400
If this leads to Colorado, going
back to the Big 12, that's the 

821
00:44:58,408 --> 00:45:01,200
funniest thing that could have 
possibly happened a big 12, and 

822
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,700
it doesn't have any of the good 
schools. 

823
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:04,700
That's the funniest thing that 
could have happened. 

824
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,200
If poor Frankie is running out 
there and by God, Texas Tech 

825
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,200
Red, Raiders on the other 
sideline once again. 

826
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:15,000
So yeah. 
What happens to the it's it's a 

827
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,100
great day for the Big 12, I 
guess because there's more is a 

828
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:20,800
great if they were they could 
buy off. 

829
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:24,500
For UCF and tell him. 
We'd actually rather have a 

830
00:45:24,508 --> 00:45:27,000
Stanford but that's not gonna 
happen. 

831
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
But yeah, it's I think 
aggressively. 

832
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,500
I think the Big 12 is the one 
that makes the move. 

833
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:33,300
I pick the Pac-12 as we know, 
it's the one that's in trouble. 

834
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,800
And oh, to be a fly on the wall.
In Craig, Thompson's office at 

835
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,800
the Mountain West, but they have
outlasted everyone. 

836
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:43,200
They were the first to have a 
conference that work and they 

837
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,300
all laugh. 
They all said it would never 

838
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:50,500
ever, and and Mountain West, is 
going to outlast them all except

839
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:52,500
Sandy. 
Go State Sadie was already 

840
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:56,000
making himself available to the 
Press today to try to wedge 

841
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,600
their way into the Pac-12. 
Just tremendous, tremendous 

842
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,700
stuff. 
I mean, I think, I think their 

843
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:03,600
ships finally come in. 
They've got a new football 

844
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,900
stadium. 
Now, I think San Diego's state 

845
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:08,400
if they Peck solve, that's part 
of why I say the Mountain West 

846
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,900
because I mean, I don't see how 
you're getting any of the Big 12

847
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:12,700
school do. 
We can get even more dysfunction

848
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:15,800
like in a worse League. 
Like why would a big 12 school 

849
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:16,800
go there? 
Honestly. 

850
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,000
So I don't think any of those 
schools are going to go there. 

851
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,600
And yeah, I think they saying, 
Biggest eiko's in and the ship 

852
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,400
is coming for Boise State. 
Probably. 

853
00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:26,600
I wonder about the Gonzaga when 
I think it might just be too 

854
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,800
untenable. 
And the thing I'm focused on out

855
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,200
here, out east is, we've heard 
about the Gonzaga Piggies rumors

856
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,900
because this makes that 
likelier. 

857
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,200
Maybe I don't. 
I mean, you know, this is for 

858
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,300
our podcast now, what does this 
mean for college basketball or 

859
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:48,300
college soccer? 
But I hope it's a little 

860
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:50,700
significance. 
Yeah, well, there's plenty more 

861
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:54,200
to talk Cronin coming into 
Assembly Hall. 

862
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,400
Mick, Cronin is coming to 
Bloomington. 

863
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,100
It's been, it's been a lifelong 
dream. 

864
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:02,000
It really has. 
I tell you what I'm really 

865
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,300
interested in and I'm literally,
like I got it. 

866
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:07,100
I gotta cut it after this. 
What the heck does? 

867
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:11,300
You like, if I'm, if I'm playing
Baseball for USC, or UCLA right 

868
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:13,100
now. 
Like, what am I thinking about 

869
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:16,300
the first trip? 
I have to make to Iowa City in 

870
00:47:16,308 --> 00:47:20,400
March. 
What I'm wondering. 

871
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,600
Actually, I was like this sucks 
for the card for the oil 

872
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,600
exports. 
Actually like it come baseball's

873
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,700
had a huge couple of weeks and 
pretentious, tell everyone, 

874
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:30,500
they're schools. 
Now, you're going to USC or UCLA

875
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:32,600
for the first time it actually 
solves a lot of their past. 

876
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,000
It really does Michigan Indiana.
If I'm, and if you're USC, you 

877
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,200
get told. 
Hey, guess what we're at home 

878
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,700
for the first month and no, 
there will not be snowed in 

879
00:47:41,707 --> 00:47:44,000
Bloomington. 
In May what do we go there? 

880
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,000
Probably that we might all get 
blown away in a tornado but 

881
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,800
there won't be snow will be ok. 
Yeah, it's fascinating for a 

882
00:47:50,808 --> 00:47:53,500
baseball standpoint. 
I can't wait for USC to start 

883
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,000
shit talking. 
Indiana swimming. 

884
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,000
Now, this will be fun. 
I want to see those two Titans. 

885
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,200
Finally, throw down the water. 
Polo Classics. 

886
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,400
We've been waiting for, there's 
so many interesting places, this

887
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,500
goes Gail and and one of them 
might be Apple. 

888
00:48:07,700 --> 00:48:10,500
So, what did they College? 
Athletics is had and I 

889
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:12,500
appreciate it. 
Distracting me from jail, and 

890
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:15,400
Bronson's the Knicks for a 
hundred million dollars. 

891
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,900
Hey, that's that's what I'm here
to do another, another one of 

892
00:48:18,908 --> 00:48:22,500
these podcasts, another one of 
these podcasts, Scaling, you 

893
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:24,700
know, I can it's great for our 
friends at home field. 

894
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:27,500
They get to make all sorts of 
vintage stuff for the pac-10. 

895
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:32,300
The pack 812, now we're gonna 
pack 14 of impact, 26. 

896
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,700
I'm looking forward to the 
entire collect home-field 

897
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:37,800
collection of defunct conference
logo. 

898
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,800
Tel Aviv or t-shirts. 
Just just just like give me all 

899
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,100
of them at this point. 
Oh God kahlan. 

900
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:47,900
If you don't think if you don't 
think today, I thought we might 

901
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:49,800
have the rise of Eastern 
independent football. 

902
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:55,300
Once again, it might happen if 
the AC falls apart just like ten

903
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:58,100
schools up here, who are going 
to suddenly need a plan. 

904
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,600
And that's like I honestly think
that's the most direct Domino of

905
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,200
think she falls apart, is what 
the hell? 

906
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,500
Do 12 ACC schools to? 
It's it's going to be really 

907
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:10,700
good. 
If another 2 Pac, 12 schools go 

908
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:12,500
to the big Channel, we run 
through that. 

909
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:16,200
Yeah, it's It's a wild, that's 
how many scenarios and we can't 

910
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,300
even touch. 
We it would literally take a 12 

911
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:23,600
like a Serial Arc of podcast for
us to actually get to all the 

912
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,700
potential ramifications and 
maybe we'll do that in future 

913
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:28,900
episodes. 
But for now, I mean, I would say

914
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:32,200
like like we aren't capable of 
doing that please, which 

915
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,100
challenge except parrots 
exactly. 

916
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:37,000
Anyway, Zach as always a 
pleasure to have you joining me 

917
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,200
and a pleasure to talk with you 
again and we'll probably do 

918
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,300
another one of these soon. 
We'll have more info including 

919
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:44,600
our second podcast coming up. 
A little bit later, as I talked 

920
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,200
with Scott about this whole 
situation and what it means for 

921
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,900
IU, the Big Ten and college 
sports in general. 

922
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:54,100
So, thanks for joining us, 
folks, thanks again to our title

923
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:56,800
sponsor home, field apparel. 
I'm Galen, klaviyo, will catch 

924
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,500
you folks on the flip side? 
So long, everybody.