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All right, let's do it. 
You're listening to the Back 

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Welcome back folks, Galen 
Clavio, Scott Caulfield here. 

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Welcome to Crimson cast. 
It is Sunday morning, November 

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3rd and Indiana is 9. 
Scott for the first time in 

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school history, Indiana going up
to East Lansing and walloping 

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the Michigan State Spartans 47 
to 10. 

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I was there. 
It was a remarkable seem to 

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behold. 
You were watching from home. 

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We've got a ton to dig into. 
First of all, my friend, how are

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you doing? 
I'm doing fantastic. 

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I'm doing utterly fantastic. 
Dude, we have a nine and O team.

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I'm doing great. 
It really is hard to get your 

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head wrapped around. 
I know, and we're gonna try to 

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dive into that. 
We've got a ton of you already 

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in chat. 
If you're interested, head over 

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to YouTube, get into the 
comments section. 

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We, we, we're gonna try to bring
as many comments up as we can 

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throughout the course of this 
thing as we talk about the huge 

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win for Indiana up in East 
Lansing yesterday. 

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We'll talk about the scene up 
there. 

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We'll talk about where Indiana 
sits right now in the CFP 

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discussion. 
And of course, we're going to 

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talk about what is shaping up to
be among the most consequential 

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games in the history of Indiana 
football coming up this weekend 

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as the Hoosiers host Michigan in
the marquee slot of the day, 

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3:30 PM on CBS. 
As as Matt notes, Scott, this is

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the fever dream I've had. 
The number of people who have 

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come up to me asking me what 
Scott's next fever dream is 

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going to be has been a bit 
overwhelming for me. 

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I don't even know really how to 
respond at this point. 

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The next fever dream is I've 
been playing with the college 

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football predictor on ESPN, 
which by the way, is like an IU 

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football fan didn't even know 
exists. 

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It's like, oh, this is cool. 
I didn't know these websites 

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exist. 
And you can do this stuff. 

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They can predict things. 
And so I predict Indiana to win,

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you know, win Michigan, lose to 
Ohio State, win Purdue, which 

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might even be giving him not 
enough credit, not making the 

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Big 10 title game. 
It has us in kind of the eight 

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seed range. 
In one of the predictions, we 

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played Illinois in the first 
round, which seems odd, but we 

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did. 
But we played Illinois and then 

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we beat BYU and then we're 
suddenly I think we were playing

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Texas to go to the college, you 
know, the national championship 

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game, which is, you know, this 
is where it gets fever dreaming 

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because I'm I'm I'm look at 
that. 

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I'm like, that's possible, 
nothing insane. 

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Nothing seems impossible at this
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degree makes this so much fun. 
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that in just a second. 
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little bit about the folks that 
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but I am signed up for Home 

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And what did I get immediately 

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after the game ended yesterday? 
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Nine win Indiana. 
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Sign up for that, you know, home

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If you haven't bought the never 
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course the script Indiana hoodie
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They've got a ton of things I 

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saw again, I every time I go 
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football, I see home field 
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It is synonymous with the brand 
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There was so many bomber jackets
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Spartan Stadium for both teams. 
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game, just nine win 9 win 
Indiana and he just texted back 

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like we did it Scott, we did it 
we launched the the Saturn 5 

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rocket or. 
Something you know, and this is 

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essentially from the Earth to 
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version. 
So it's it's tremendous. 

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And The thing is, I'm almost 
hesitant to buy one because 9 

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Indiana feels like it's falling 
short of expectations at this 

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point. 
Well, Connor's got more shirts. 

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We got 10 Indiana and 11 
Indiana. 

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The College Football Playoff 
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Just keep them coming. 
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Let's hear. 
And Daniel in the chat already 

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asked what did Robert think of 
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So those who don't know, one of 
my really good friends and 

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neighbor named Robert, he went 
to Michigan State and his I have

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I have a whole bit on him and 
his view of it, which I think is

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interesting. 
But he he was enjoying some of 

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our Hoosier game day logger. 
Like we all had him out and he's

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like, fine, I'll take one and 
then he's drinking it and then 

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Indiana scores a touchdown and 
kind of jokingly he's like this 

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tastes like piss. 
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Immediately. 
You know, like, I mean, just 

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joking. 
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another one, opens it up and 
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throughout the game. 
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I hate this can I hate it's, 
it's awful, but kept drinking 

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it. 
So he he joked me that it was 

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awful. 
It was not awful, but he kept, 

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he kept indulging in the candy 
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kicking the living shit out of 
this team, it was, it was 

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pretty. 
Remarkable stuff and I, I 

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All right, Scott, let's dive 

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into this game. 
Indiana coming in. 

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We talked a lot throughout the 
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this game was a potentially a 
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It was going to be the toughest 
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Indiana had played in. 
Not hypothetically, it really 

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was. 
I mean, if you look at the two 

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Rd. games that Indiana had 
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those were not exactly what I 
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UCLA, that was a pretty sedate 
crowd. 

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It was not a full stadium and 
UCLA fans are kind of in a self 

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loathing mode right now. 
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wasn't quite there, although 
they shouldn't be self loathing.

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They just walked in and beat 
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So the transitive property, I 
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Indiana's win over UCLA better 
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Nebraska worse. 
I've given up trying to figure 

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all that out. 
It doesn't really matter. 

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Nebraska's bad now, but UCLA is 
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I can't figure it out anyway. 
Now, they weren't good at the 

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start of the season. 
They they were good until they 

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played Indiana. 
Then they were bad for a while, 

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but now they're good again. 
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any of that. 
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Anyway, they also played it. 
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credit. 
For Illinois will get credit for

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that yes Indiana, of course, 
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environment at Northwestern, 
that was a really interesting 

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one, but there were a lot of IU 
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This was a it was not a full 
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Spartan Stadium that was 80 to 
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So this was an environment, 
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where you kind of wonder, like, 
how would Indiana react coming 

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off the big wins at home against
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How would they exist in that 
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And we've talked over and over 
again about how this Indiana 

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team, you know, it's so easy. 
And we've seen this happen with 

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so many teams in in college 
football and Pro Football and in

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other sports. 
It's easy to get caught up in 

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what you're doing. 
It's easy to overlook an 

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opponent. 
It's easy to put yourself in a 

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And Indiana came out in this 
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And frankly, Scott, they didn't 
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play. 
They had some tough early 

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possessions on both sides of the
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Michigan State, while they got a
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like they were moving the ball 
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And, you know, with about two 
minutes left in the first 

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quarter, it's a 10, nothing. 
Michigan State, Indiana's given 

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up their first points in the 
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They've trailed for the first 
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And you're thinking to yourself,
wow, Indiana's offense looks 

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like they are not connecting 
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They can't run the ball. 
Curtis Rook's shaking his hand 

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coming off the field. 
It's like this is not adding up 

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as something that might be good 
for Indiana. 

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And then Indiana goes into full 
death blossom mode and scores 47

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unanswered points over the 
course of the last three 

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quarters of play. 
Absolutely smothers Michigan 

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State in the crib and picks up 
one of the largest Rd. wins that

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Indiana's had in the Big 10 in a
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Scott, you know, I'll talk about
my reflections from inside the 

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stadium, but watching this game 
and watching that complete flip 

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in how Indiana was playing, what
was the reaction in the 

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Caulfield household like How, 
how were you processing all of 

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this? 
I had, I had a fantastic viewing

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experience. 
So my, my son is playing 

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basketball and I'm coaching his 
team. 

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And we had some scrimmages on 
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get in the car, getting car. 
I didn't trust Peacock to be 

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able to watch DVR stuff just 
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really poor. 
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will just, I'm going to miss a 
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I will just miss it and, and 
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don't miss much. 
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driving home and I'm like, oh 
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where we scored. 
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to nothing game. 
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I didn't watch the 10 the the 
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It was unbelievable watching 
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know, Robert's obviously a 
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His take on the game was 
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So we talked about it beforehand
and he was like, look, we're 

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going to this is a very Robert 
thing because he's very Michigan

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State focused. 
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interesting point. 
He's like, look, we're going to 

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see what Indiana is because when
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record, the, the teams that are 
kind of mid that you would say 

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like, maybe you know, Iowa or 
Michigan, you know, they had 

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close games and you know, it 
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Michigan State was able to do 
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games. 
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in the Big 10, Ohio State and 
Oregon, they kick the shit out 

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of us. 
He's like, so if you guys beat 

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us, that's great. 
If you, if you have a hard time 

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beating us, like you're probably
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our ass, you're probably a top 
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Team and and. 
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the case and you know, he was 
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defense, our offense is great. 
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It gets plays. 
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every time he had as you can say
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nine. 
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I know it here comes a slant and
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for 16 yards. 
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life get pummeled out of him, 
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We were arguing like, what 
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Was it the offensive line? 
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the defense, or was it the 
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Oh, not to mention the special 
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It was awesome. 
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And you know, my high level take
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joking about the fever dream 
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You know, this team, I think of 
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comes out, I think throws 2 
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possessions or two out of three 
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Which, you know, I almost want 
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podcast. 
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like, Oh my God, this is going 
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This game I went back and watch,
it would come out flat. 

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We have 2-3 and outs. 
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football, a game like that on 
the road that would have been a 

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trap game where you're at 
another stadium, you give the 

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other team life. 
It's like, all right, well, this

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is going to be a slog for the 
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Maybe we can get it to 10/7 and 
then we're fighting and no, it's

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just like, Nope, sorry, like we 
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get out of our haze and we will 
snap back. 

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I've never I I really said I've 
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quickly back to good like that. 
And so I'm I'm done with the 

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fever dream talk. 
I think we're going to beat 

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Michigan. 
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Purdue like it this team urges 
you to have trust in them and 

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they they require you like have 
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We are going to be just fine. 
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something unlike I've ever seen 
in a lot of college football, 

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but definitely with an IU team. 
I think what's most remarkable 

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from a statistical perspective 
for this team, you know, looking

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at this game yesterday, so in 
the first quarter, as we talked 

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about Michigan State at 128 
total yards on the C on the, on 

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the on that quarter, they had 
106 passing yards. 

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They had 22 rushing yards. 
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they ended the game with 205 
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They only gained 99 yards total 
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quarter to the end of the game, 
and they went from. 

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Plus 22 rushing yards to -24 
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amount of time. 
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the other statistics, the game, 
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with -36 rushing yards. 
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sacking a punter and some sacks.
But it's like, well, those count

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and you're not supposed to do 
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But back to the kind of, you 
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every other team Michigan State 
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averaged basically 120 or more 
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Some, you know, Iowa got 212, 
Ohio State held him to 47, 

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Oregon held him to 49. 
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look at that and you take the 
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well, those are three really 
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that's us -36 for a game is 
unreal. 

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Yeah, if you look at what 
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stretch and I was, I was texting
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about this. 
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Michigan State had ran 44 plays 
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I mean, that's, that is not. 
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the stadium and watching the 
defense just snuff out Michigan 

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State and what they were trying 
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I, I, I'll say this again, I 
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I'll, I'll keep saying it. 
I don't. 

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And I've watched Indiana 
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I can never remember a defensive
line performance like what we 

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It's it is just, it's remarkable
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line has become. 
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I mean, obviously Mikhail 
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who, you know, I think we'll see
playing on Sundays. 

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That guy has been involved in 
454 snaps so far this season on 

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defense. 
He has been such a havoc maker 

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throughout the course of the 
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But it's still Lanelle Carr, 
it's also James Carpenter, it's 

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also CJ W, it's also Marcus 
Burris Junior. 

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It's also Tyreek Tucker Landino 
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come in and played well. 
Jacob Mangum Ferrar has played 

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well. 
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this defensive line, but there's
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You know, it's not like it's not
like, you know, when we've seen 

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kind of two different things 
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the past, We, we don't talk 
enough about the defensive line 

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and how important it is. 
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took where I was going with 
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But like Adewali Agunli would do
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necessarily consistently. 
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Adewali Agunli didn't have team 
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level next to him in most games.
Adewali Agunli didn't have depth

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behind him where he could take a
couple of snaps off, get himself

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recharged and get back out 
there. 

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You know, the lines and we've 
talked about this for I don't 

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know how long, Scott, the lines.
We, we've always said like this 

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is where Indiana struggles to 
recruit, struggles to attract 

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talent. 
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if you really want to put it in 
the historical context, has 

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struggled to effectively coach 
this talent because they've 

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always looked like they've come 
up short against not just the 

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Michigan's and the Ohio States, 
but the Michigan States and the 

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Iowa's and teams like that. 
And what this coaching staff has

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done and what these players have
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people were worried was going to
be a weak link into among the 

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strongest units that we've seen.
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road against a team that was 
considered dangerous, a team 

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that had beaten Iowa by 12 
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had been at least, you know, 
somewhat competitive in most of 

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the games that they played, 
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you know, just on the defensive 
side, that is really remarkable 

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to me. 
And to watch them be able to 

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create as much havoc as they 
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you know, I just I'm running out
of superlatives to talk through 

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how impressive it really is. 
You know, if you if you haven't 

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read bite sized Bison recap yet,
you absolutely should. 

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You should be subscribed to bite
sized Bison, bite sized 

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bison.substack.com. 
We'll have Taylor on later this 

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week to help preview the 
Michigan game, but I'm going to 

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steal something from his ETA 
roundup. 

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Indiana recorded a havoc rate of
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percentile of all the 
performances that any defense 

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turned in last year. 
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know, if you want to break it 
down like Havoc plays on defense

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are plays that result in, you 
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turnovers, sacks, 15 tackles for
loss in this game, 7 sacks, 11 

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different defenders made some 
kind of a havoc play in this 

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contest. 
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add in the two interceptions 
that is exemplary and. 

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We are not used to seeing these 
types of defensive performances 

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and the fact that you're also 
coupling a great offensive 

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performance in is amazing. 
And we'll talk about that in a 

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second. 
But I just wanted to give a 

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shout out to the defensive line 
in particular for how well they 

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played in this game. 
You know, it's funny, we were 

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watching the game and Robert was
like, dude #8 is everywhere. 

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Like, and his stats at, you'll 
see JW stats don't actually do 

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justice the game he had 'cause 
he was in almost every play. 

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And then as the game went on, 
you know, Kamara started having 

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like sacks and some great plays 
and he's like, wait, is that 

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number you you have a number six
and the number 8? 

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He's like, dude, both of those 
guys are everywhere. 

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And the other cool thing was, 
you know, obviously things 

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change in Michigan State went to
their backup, although you see 

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they had a player named Carson 
Hyphen Wentz on their team. 

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There's a player named Carson 
Wentz. 

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And my buddy Robert's like, cut 
him immediately. 

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Like, I don't care. 
Just cut him right now on 

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general principle. 
Get him off our roster. 

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It's not good for the team. 
But it it, it definitely looked 

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like, and again, these are just 
things we haven't seen it. 

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It looked like our defense just 
we figured out Michigan State 

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completely. 
So when we rushed just the line,

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I would say we were getting 
pressure, you know, 90% of the 

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time. 
And then near the end, it was 

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just like the, the team was 
almost the defensive 

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coordinators, like let's just 
try some stuff. 

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What if we, you know, blitz 3 
guys and it's like, oh, that's a

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20 yard sack for loss. 
Like let's try blitzing too. 

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One of the last plays they 
blitzed everybody. 

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They're just like, let's just 
get them. 

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And it's, it's really cool to 
see that aggressiveness, but it 

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definitely felt as if they were 
almost trying out some things 

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they're going to use later on 
because it was like, this is a 

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game where we've been able to 
set the the difficulty level to 

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freshman. 
This is, you know, we, we are 

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easy. 
We know what we're doing. 

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This team is broken. 
We have them figured out and 

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we're just going to try a couple
of jailbreaks. 

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And this, this looked like a 
game that we've seen Indiana be 

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on the other side of hundreds of
times where our quarterback goes

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out, we go to our backup, 
suddenly we could not able to do

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anything. 
And the team, just the other 

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team just just stomps us into 
oblivion. 

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We did it, man. 
We did it on the road, yeah. 

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It's it's what's amazing to me 
with all of this is just how 

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what you just said I was talking
to. 

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So I was up there with with 
several friends. 

447
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,840
IU artifacts drove up with me. 
Austin render drove up with me. 

448
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,960
We saw Sam Rumpsa up there. 
We saw a ton of you folks in the

449
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,760
audience, which I'll get to a 
little bit later, but I was 

450
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,720
sitting there with Sam and and 
with IU artifacts and with 

451
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,080
Austin and I was like, this is 
exactly, this is a reverse 

452
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,880
Indiana game. 
I've seen Indiana on the the the

453
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,960
wrong side of this game more 
times than I can count where you

454
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,720
go up by a score or two against 
an opponent that you are not 

455
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,760
expected to win against. 
Everybody gets excited. 

456
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,480
You know, the Michigan State 
students are chanting overrated 

457
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,200
at IU at the end of the first 
quarter. 

458
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,000
And then reality starts to set 
in and, you know, immediately 

459
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,120
you start to fall behind and 
fall behind and you or it's like

460
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:19,120
you're stuck in quicksand and 
you're watching yourself drown 

461
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,320
and you can do literally nothing
about it. 

462
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,280
And that is exactly what Indiana
just did to Michigan State. 

463
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,600
But that is what Michigan State 
and many other teams have done 

464
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,880
to Indiana over and over and 
over again. 

465
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,600
And I'll note that that comment 
you just popped up from Tanner 

466
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,200
about, you know, and it's funny 
because like being in the 

467
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,120
stands, nobody was really that 
upset. 

468
00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,520
The Michigan State fans were not
that upset with running up the 

469
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,640
score because they understood 
they've done that to us before. 

470
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,520
And Indiana doesn't have a 
choice at this point. 

471
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,240
They have to run up the score. 
They have to score style points.

472
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,240
It's just we are not used to 
that. 

473
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,440
We're not used to being in the 
position where we are like where

474
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,600
style points would do us any 
good essentially. 

475
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,680
So it is, it is really 
interesting to be on the other 

476
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,960
end of that. 
But as we as we think about the 

477
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,640
way that Indiana processed this 
game, we'll talk a lot about the

478
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,760
defense and the, and the defense
was exemplary. 

479
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,720
And I really wanted to shine a 
light on on them in this because

480
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,960
of of just how hard they made it
on Michigan State. 

481
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,720
Tommy Schuster has to be 
questioning like life decisions 

482
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,480
at this point. 
That guy comes in after Aidan 

483
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,360
Childs gets knocked out of the 
game and he could do nothing. 

484
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,800
And he looked absolutely 
terrified every time he took a 

485
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,840
snap. 
And it was just like it built on

486
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,360
every snap where it's like he's 
like, please do not call a 

487
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:38,840
passing play. 
Please let me hand the ball off 

488
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,720
to somebody. 
But they couldn't, you know, a 

489
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,320
lot of. 
Levis throw there too where he's

490
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,240
going down and just chucks. 
In, I mean, you know, Caron 

491
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,000
Lynch, Adams, who's had a pretty
good season for six carries, 10 

492
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,440
yards. 
Nate Carter 8 carries, 6 yards. 

493
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,720
Makai Frazier, one carry -1 
yards. 

494
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,760
You know, Ryan Eckley, 2 carries
-21 yards. 

495
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,080
It it was just a a bloodletting 
for this Indiana defense. 

496
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,320
Aiden Fisher 9 tackles, 5 solo 
tackles, half of a tackle for 

497
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,520
loss. 
Mikhail Kamara 2 1/2 sacks, 4 

498
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,640
1/2 tackles for loss in this 
game. 

499
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,480
You know, Sean Asbury had six 
tackles, Isaiah Jones had five, 

500
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,040
Jacob Mangum Ferrar had four and
a sack. 

501
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,080
And you just go down the list 
like you really, you almost have

502
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,800
to mention everybody on the the 
defensive roster for how well 

503
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,680
they played in this game. 
And of course, Amari Ferrell 

504
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,760
with the two interceptions, I 
mean, they those Indiana, I 

505
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,520
think once they got their feet 
under them was going to win this

506
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,720
game. 
But Ferrell being able to pick 

507
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,240
off those two interceptions just
absolutely broke the spirit of 

508
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,320
Michigan State at the time that 
they happened. 

509
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,280
And, and actually that first 
interception I think was the 

510
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,160
highest ranked EPA play in the 
game like that completely swung 

511
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:56,080
the win probability because at 
that point, Michigan State was 

512
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,400
still kind of in a position 
where their win probability was 

513
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,240
around 5050. 
And that really shot at the 

514
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,760
opposite direction, the. 
Thing with Kamara, I'll just say

515
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,560
is this is, you know, again, one
of the James Madison guys to 

516
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,360
come over. 
But you know, you see this every

517
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:11,960
year in the NFL draft, NFL way 
more than like NBA draft. 

518
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,240
There's lots of guys in small 
schools who get drafted every 

519
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,720
year who, who end up becoming 
NFL players. 

520
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,360
And so you, you right now 
there's tons of guys not playing

521
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:24,080
in a, you know, in the SEC or 
the Big 10 who are NFL talents 

522
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:26,160
who need to be showcased the 
right way. 

523
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,880
And you look at this guy just 
like this is he's a, he's an NFL

524
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,760
talent right now. 
But you're also putting him in a

525
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,880
scheme and in a, and in plays 
where he's able to highlight 

526
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,840
what he does well. 
And you put him around other 

527
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,680
guys. 
And I think this is that, you 

528
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,080
know, it's, it's funny looking 
back, it's so silly to, to look 

529
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,040
at this and be like, you know, 
are, are, you know, group of 

530
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,440
five players going to be able to
play at this big 10 level? 

531
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,400
And obviously some can't. 
But I think that on, you know, 

532
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,280
any good power, you know, Group 
of five team, some of those 

533
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,000
players are good enough to play 
at the next level. 

534
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,240
You see it every single year. 
Yeah, and, and that the way that

535
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,040
this staff has been able to 
forge this team and we keep 

536
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,960
talking about it every week, but
the way they've been able to 

537
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,920
forge this identity that this 
team has about what they do and 

538
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,520
how they're doing it and, and 
what exactly, you know, their 

539
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:15,720
jobs are. 
And we hear it. 

540
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,280
It's almost it's a little corny 
a little, you know, in in press 

541
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,400
conferences or in the, the, the 
post game availability that 

542
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,440
these guys have had. 
But every single time they say 

543
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,040
the same thing like we're just, 
we're just going one and O we're

544
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,240
you know, we've got, we got a 
job to do this week. 

545
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,760
And that mentality is what 
allowed them to bounce back so 

546
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,400
quickly when things didn't start
particularly well against 

547
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,800
Michigan State. 
There is this belief on this 

548
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,080
sideline and it doesn't make 
sense that it's there. 

549
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,440
We've talked about how little it
makes sense that any of this is 

550
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,760
happening on multiple occasions 
now, Scott. 

551
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,440
It doesn't make sense that it's 
there. 

552
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,680
But this team has such an 
intrinsic belief in themselves, 

553
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,840
in the coaching staff. 
There is a real belief that 

554
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,960
whatever happens, they're going 
to be able to figure out how to 

555
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,040
make it work. 
And I think we heard Aidan 

556
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,280
Fisher in the post game this 
time around say, you know, coach

557
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,440
has a plan and if we follow that
plan, we're going to be fine. 

558
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,920
That is exactly what you want 
out of a team. 

559
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,760
It is incredibly hard to keep a 
team with that mentality 

560
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,600
throughout the course of the 
season. 

561
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,040
And it's even more incredible to
have a cobbled together team, 

562
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,200
roster pieces from various 
spots. 

563
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,160
And as you said, guys that have 
come up from a level that isn't 

564
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,080
supposed to be able to compete 
with the Big 10 or with other 

565
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,600
power conferences and look at 
what they've done so far in all 

566
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,680
three phases of the game. 
Well, we, we, I, I personally 

567
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,960
keep going back to Tom Allen's 
coaching tenure, but you have to

568
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:43,160
'cause it is just a 180 in, you 
know, how just how calm and 

569
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,200
collected Signeti in this staff 
is that they don't get too high 

570
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,920
and they don't get too low. 
And you know, that was 

571
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,480
definitely not the way it was 
under Allen. 

572
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,280
We got really high and then we 
got really low. 

573
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,520
And you know, when, when you 
have that a game like this, 

574
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,400
suddenly you feel like, Oh my 
God, you know, I want to restart

575
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,280
this game. 
It's 10 nothing. 

576
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,720
What are we going to do? 
It really, really felt like 

577
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,520
Signeti was just like, hey, 
guys, can we just get up 1410 

578
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,800
and then we'll be able to put 
him away. 

579
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,480
And, and they did. 
It's just like they scored it, 

580
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,800
you know, they, you know, we'll,
we'll get to recite the drive. 

581
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,040
But after those 2-3 announce 
they have a touchdown, punt 

582
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,160
touchdown. 
And then it's just like drive, 

583
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,920
drive, drive. 
But it really felt as if like, 

584
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,280
look, guys, if we can just get 
up by 5 by 4 points, we'll be 

585
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,520
better on this team. 
And they just did it and they, 

586
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,160
they're so calm and collected 
and they, they get hobby, they 

587
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,400
get fired up and excited and 
it's like right back down. 

588
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,080
Like their blood pressure is a 
standing rate of like, you know,

589
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,600
62 beats a minute. 
And it doesn't matter what's 

590
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,160
happening. 
And you go back to again, I, I 

591
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,400
referenced it earlier that the 
two back-to-back interceptions 

592
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,440
against Maryland. 
Any other season, we're talking 

593
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,160
about that for the entire season
of like, God, do you remember 

594
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,560
that? 
Like if you just change that 

595
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,640
differently, you can forget it 
because we won that game by 24 

596
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,720
points. 
This is a game you're never 

597
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,960
going to remember, you know, two
or three you probably will, but 

598
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,600
two or three years from now it's
like you're not going to be 

599
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,680
like, Oh my God, that was so 
close. 

600
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,120
We were down 10. 
Nothing, we're nervous like no, 

601
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,160
it's just a complete ass kicking
and start Spartan Stadium. 

602
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,000
But any other year this would 
have been something we would 

603
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,440
have talked about for the entire
podcast about how you can't get 

604
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,120
off to this rough start. 
You can't put your team in this 

605
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,720
position. 
They had to really claw and 

606
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,640
fight for it for that game. 
And it becomes kind of this 5050

607
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,840
toss up game where it's going to
go. 

608
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,520
No, it just, they turn the 
corner like let's just get up 

609
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,400
1410 and then then we can just 
put the foot on the pedal and 

610
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,080
just be done with it. 
Yeah, let's also talk about the 

611
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,520
offense. 
I don't want to give short 

612
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,760
shrift to the offense because it
was a great performance by them 

613
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,160
as well. 
So Curtis Rourke, he's back. 

614
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,800
Scott, he's back. 
He's looks healthy. 

615
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,160
It was a little bit concerning 
early on and he talked about how

616
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,000
he was having a little bit of 
trouble getting grip on the 

617
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,640
ball. 
But man, if you just looked at 

618
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:44,160
his stat line, you'd have no 
idea. 19 for 29263 yards, 4 

619
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,040
touchdowns and and spread the 
ball around to some of his 

620
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,440
favorite targets. 
Kashawn Williams 6 catches, 86 

621
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,720
yards. 
He was the possession guy 

622
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,880
throughout the course of the 
game. 

623
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,120
Elijah Sarat, he's back. 
Scott, 4 catches, 59 yards, 2 

624
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,360
touchdowns, including a great 
catch in the end zone in the 

625
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,760
second-half. 
Miles Price 3 for 42 and a 

626
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,040
touchdown. 
Omar Cooper Only one catch for 

627
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:12,280
21 yards, But Omar Cooper, that 
amazing 16 yard touchdown run in

628
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,240
the second-half, which I don't 
even think we properly got to 

629
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,640
celebrate because a, You 
couldn't believe it was 

630
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,720
happening as it was happening. 
You kept waiting for him to go 

631
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,880
down. 
He just never went down. 

632
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,280
He kept going and B, like there 
was a penalty thrown and we're 

633
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,360
like, oh, that's got to be 
coming back. 

634
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,360
And then they're like, Nope, not
a block in the back, it's a 

635
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,800
touchdown. 
So I feel bad Omar didn't get a 

636
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,160
chance to celebrate that more 
than he did 'cause it was an one

637
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,720
of the more amazing runs we've 
seen so far this season. 

638
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:42,040
Indiana, they only run the ball 
129 yards on 29 carries, which 

639
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,360
that's not as good certainly as 
what they did against 

640
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,480
Washington. 
But I think it illustrates what 

641
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,000
we were trying to talk about on 
the pregame podcast on Thursday,

642
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,480
which is that the way to beat 
Michigan State was not running 

643
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,000
at them. 
The way to beat Michigan State 

644
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,360
was to throw the ball against 
them because they were bad 

645
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,320
against the pass. 
All the advanced metrics said 

646
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,240
that. 
And it took a little bit of 

647
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,360
time. 
There were a couple of drops 

648
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,000
early, but once Indiana found 
its rhythm with Rourke and the 

649
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,480
receivers, you didn't need the 
running game. 

650
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,080
And that was really where 
Indiana disintegrated Michigan 

651
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,440
State's defense for their part. 
And again, it's what's 

652
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,120
fascinating to me and what is so
invigorating about this coaching

653
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,280
staff and the way that this team
plays is that they've now won 

654
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,080
back-to-back games, Washington 
and Michigan State using two 

655
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,160
entirely different approaches 
offensively. 

656
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,720
They went ground and pound 
downhill running against 

657
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,880
Washington and put that game 
away. 

658
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,960
They go to the air again against
Michigan State and they put this

659
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,800
game away. 
This level of versatility, this 

660
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,960
ability to adjust on the fly, 
this ability to game plan and 

661
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,720
know what their opponents can 
and can't. 

662
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,120
Do and to exploit those 
weaknesses again, Scott is not 

663
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,840
something that we are really 
used to, no. 

664
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,960
And if you look at the game log,
you see it, you know, against 

665
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,760
Nebraska, we we have 215 yards 
on the ground in this game, we 

666
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,320
have 122. 
Washington's gone up the middle.

667
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,640
We have 188. 
You look at passing yards, 

668
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,160
Nebraska, he's got everything, 
you know, 280, only 124 against 

669
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,280
Washington. 
He had 263 against Michigan 

670
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,520
State. 
That that is what that is what 

671
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,800
is nuts here. 
And, and as we've said just over

672
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,080
and over again, you have a, a, 
it's wild to say it in the end, 

673
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,600
but you have just a plethora of 
riches. 

674
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,600
You, you have all of these great
pieces. 

675
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,760
There isn't one piece that that 
stands among the rest. 

676
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,760
And I think Curtis Rourke is 
probably that piece, but it's 

677
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,680
not like he's just a singular 
talent. 

678
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,120
He's just a great quarterback 
who has a, a great ability to 

679
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,240
make seemingly the right read 
almost every single time, 

680
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,720
whether to tuck it or pull it. 
You know, one of one of those 

681
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,800
throws, he had an RPO where he 
pulled it back and he ran and 

682
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,160
like tucked it, but it was the 
best RPO I've ever seen. 

683
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,520
Like he's so good at hiding the 
run and then pulling it back a 

684
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,840
couple times on Peacock. 
They had the wrong, the, the 

685
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,760
wrong side of it because they, 
they thought he tucked it or 

686
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,520
they couldn't tell me. 
He's so good at that. 

687
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,440
But, you know, it's it's not 
like this is one of those where,

688
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,440
OK, you know, Tevin Coleman 
isn't playing well. 

689
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,320
So we got to find a way to, you 
know, get the ball in the air. 

690
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,240
It's just it really is this this
coaching staff is we know what 

691
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,080
the game plan is. 
It feels like they're going into

692
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,440
every game. 
They understand what they need 

693
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,680
to do. 
But that's what a good team does

694
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,360
and that's what a good coaching 
staff does. 

695
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,120
We just haven't seen that where 
this team is so malleable. 

696
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,240
But it's also cool because they 
come at it from basically the 

697
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,920
same set. 
You know, they're running kind 

698
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,880
of the same pistol formation for
everything, but they're able to 

699
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,360
have variations all across the 
board on offense for all of 

700
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,080
these things. 
Not like they come out in a 

701
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,680
Wildcat sometimes they're coming
out in shotgun. 

702
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,080
You can definitely tell what 
they're doing. 

703
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,120
They're basically running the 
same starting set and then 

704
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,000
having hundreds of plays off of 
that, which is, again, this is 

705
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,600
not anything amazing for a 
college football team, but it is

706
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,200
amazing for an Indiana college. 
Football. 

707
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,000
Oh, I don't know. 
I think it's pretty amazing for 

708
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,800
an for any college football 
team. 

709
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,160
This is one of the most 
efficient offenses that we've 

710
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,400
seen in the last five years of 
college football. 

711
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,960
Stop. 
End sentence. 

712
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,080
This is not like, oh, this is 
great for Indiana. 

713
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,280
This is great. 
Yeah. 

714
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,000
Period. 
Exclamation point, Ethan noted. 

715
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,480
And this kind of picked up what 
you were saying. 

716
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,360
Rourke's RPO reads that is run 
pass option. 

717
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,320
By the way, for those of you who
are not up on the lingo are so 

718
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,760
good. 
He consistently fakes out the 

719
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,480
camera and it's Jordan Bailey 
who was in the stands. 

720
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,320
We didn't get the chance to see 
Jordan, but I know he's on the 

721
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,880
other side of the stadium. 
He was faking me out live in the

722
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:26,800
stadium. 
Watching him. 

723
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,360
It was true. 
It was like Michigan State was 

724
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,159
clearly confused, and this is 
what Rourke provides, right? 

725
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,800
That Jackson just doesn't have 
that ability and most other 

726
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,760
quarterbacks don't. 
It's no knock on Jackson. 

727
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,600
Like, this is not something 
that's normal, but this is what 

728
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,239
you have when you have a 
quarterback with this much 

729
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,480
experience and who's playing 
this well. 

730
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,000
His ability to make the read, 
it's so important. 

731
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,320
And it puts so much pressure not
just on the opposing team's 

732
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,800
defense, but on the opposing 
team's offense because Indiana 

733
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:02,600
has consistently found a way, 46
points per game of way to score 

734
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,680
over and over and over again. 
And I think as Zach Osterman 

735
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,040
pointed out in his piece today, 
that puts so much pressure on 

736
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,920
your offense because now you 
can't afford to go conservative 

737
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,800
Every three and out that you 
have is a chance to have Indiana

738
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,640
go score a touchdown on the 
other end. 

739
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,920
And now you're screwed because 
now you've really got to start 

740
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,960
pushing. 
And that's where a lot of these 

741
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,800
interceptions have started to 
pop up over these last few 

742
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,600
weeks. 
You can see opposing offensive 

743
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,000
coordinators and opposing 
quarterbacks being like, we got 

744
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,720
to get every single one of these
things right or we're going to 

745
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,560
be in trouble. 
They haven't gotten them all 

746
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,600
right, Scott, and they've been 
in trouble as a result of it. 

747
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,200
That that is, again, we're not 
used to watching Indiana be the 

748
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,240
chess master in these games. 
We're we're used to Indiana 

749
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,880
having to respond and to be on 
the front foot even in this 

750
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:50,960
game. 
I mean, when Michigan State had 

751
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,840
to settle for that field goal on
that first drive, I was like, 

752
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,920
OK, this is actually good 
because it's going to put more 

753
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,760
pressure on Michigan State down 
the line. 

754
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,520
And, and I mean, it ended up not
mattering. 

755
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,280
But that's the kind of thing 
where, you know, they probably 

756
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,280
hated having to settle for that 
field goal because they knew 

757
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,400
they were going to have to 
continually score touchdowns 

758
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,880
against this Indiana team. 
Here, all that 100% true. 

759
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,080
It's what I love about this 
team. 

760
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,920
They just choke teams out with 
their efficiency on offense. 

761
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,400
Here's just a very interesting 
thought. 

762
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,680
I never thought we'd be here as 
a podcast. 

763
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,000
We have, you know, maybe the 
best offense in the country. 

764
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,680
We're averaging 46 1/2 points a 
game nine games into the year. 

765
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,760
If I told you that and then I 
said, but we're going to start a

766
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,040
podcast after a game and really 
sing the praises of the defense.

767
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,520
Like, that's insane. 
I mean, that that is what is so 

768
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,920
wild about this team is I came 
away from that Michigan State 

769
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,360
game being like, I think our 
defense might at that times be 

770
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,800
better than our offense. 
It's an offense that's scoring 

771
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,440
46. 
You know, they scored 47 that 

772
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,520
game. 
They scored scoring 46 points a 

773
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,520
game. 
It's it's just wild to think 

774
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,760
about that because if you told 
me we had the best, yes, Ryan, 

775
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,360
we all, we are all in there. 
Welcome, welcome. 

776
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,280
I mean, we are all just, you 
know, we're brains in a big 

777
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,600
pile. 
We've all walked into the same 

778
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,920
fever dream. 
But to the idea that we have 

779
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,120
this offense, you'd be like, all
right, well, our defense has to 

780
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,160
be giving up 42 points a game. 
We're just playing a ton of 

781
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,680
shootouts, you know, no, and you
know, our defense isn't putting 

782
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,600
up the numbers that would be 
historically good. 

783
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,000
But this, this might be one of 
the best defenses I've seen 

784
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,880
Indiana have in the last 20 
years. 

785
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,160
It just gets overshadowed by the
offense. 

786
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,440
But again, as we said today, we 
started with the defense because

787
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,880
they were just unbelievably 
good. 

788
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,640
So I'm not trying to switch it 
back to defense, sorry. 

789
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,320
But it's wild that we're so good
on offense and yet we're still 

790
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,880
at a point where we can talk 
about how good the defense is. 

791
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,680
Scott, it's time for everybody's
favorite segment. 

792
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,200
Recite the drive, yes. 
You got it right this time. 

793
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:53,000
All right? 
Hey, who's who's? 

794
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:57,480
Who's bringing it to us? 
This, I think, I think this 

795
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,640
one's being brought to you by 
Shalhoubi's and by 

796
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,440
communitycars.com. 
So let's go ahead and dive in. 

797
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,080
Parted a credit. 
No, we haven't signed that 

798
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,360
contract yet. 
So let's let's run through 

799
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:16,680
Indiana first as we go. 
Punt, punt, touchdown, punt. 

800
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,760
Now that's you look at that and 
you know, you forget after that 

801
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,000
touchdown Dr. that they had that
got them back within 10/7. 

802
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,960
That Horton touchdown pass from 
from Curtis Rourke. 

803
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,520
You forget that like they punted
again and it was still 10 seven.

804
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,760
You know, Michigan State there 
for a while. 

805
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,280
Yards. 
On three drives up to that 

806
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,800
point, if you take out the 
touchdown drive. 

807
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,600
But then Indiana comes back and 
they go touchdown, touchdown, 

808
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,360
they punt towards the end of the
half and that was that was kind 

809
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,880
of crap that I almost want to 
take that punt out of there. 

810
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,560
I have no idea how on earth the 
replay official actually deduced

811
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,720
that they could see the ball and
say, well, you know, that's a 

812
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,240
foot before the lot, but give me
an effing break. 

813
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,640
Good every time we, we've had so
few problems, relatively 

814
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,880
speaking with the Big 10 
officiating this year compared 

815
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,400
to previous years. 
But occasionally it like pops up

816
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,160
and you're like, no, go away bad
Big 10 officiating that that was

817
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,560
terrible. 
Anyway, we're going to take that

818
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,520
one off the board. 
On the, I will say one of the 

819
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,560
interceptions, it does look like
it might have been bobbled and 

820
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,600
they just went, we went through 
it. 

821
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,360
So yeah. 
We're only going to focus on the

822
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,760
things that are not OK. 
But then second-half Indiana 

823
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,400
goes touchdown on A6 play 65 
yard drive, field goal on a nine

824
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,400
play 44 yard Dr. touchdown on 
A2, play 21 yard Dr. touchdown 

825
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,520
on A5, play 37 yard drive, and 
then an 11 play 17 yard drive 

826
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,360
that ate up 8 minutes and close 
the game out. 

827
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,200
I mean, what a that's that. 
This is another game, Scott, 

828
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,880
where Indiana was able to 
outscore themselves in the 

829
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,520
second-half versus what they did
in the first half. 

830
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,200
But man, to go touchdown field 
goal touchdown touchdown choke 

831
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:55,000
out to close the game is pretty 
darn incredible. 

832
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,360
That is, that is really 
remarkable. 

833
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,720
And again it. 
Goes to the versatility. 

834
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,040
We've had multiple games where 
we have these choke out drives. 

835
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,720
We we just get to a point and 
it's like, all right, we're 

836
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:03,240
going to end the game. 
We're just going to have a 9 

837
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:05,440
minute drive. 
And it's wild, like, again, the 

838
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,960
versatility of this offense. 
To, you know, some of those 

839
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,920
touchdown drives, you know 
where, you know, one was 49 

840
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,560
seconds, the other one was a 
minute 37, then a minute 43. 

841
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,560
And then it's like, well, we'll 
just do one that's 8 minutes. 

842
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,760
We'll just go ahead and just end
the game by holding the ball for

843
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,400
2/3 of the fourth quarter. 
But we've done that multiple 

844
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,440
times. 
It's it's unbelievable that 

845
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,560
this, it's just unreal, man. 
It's unreal to see an IU team 

846
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,160
doing this and just putting 
their foot on the there's a 

847
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,280
world where I I do wonder, like 
should he have gone for just 56 

848
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,120
or 63? 
Just kept, kept going and going 

849
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,120
and going. 
I think at that point, you know,

850
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,560
you have your backups in. 
It's just like, listen. 

851
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,360
But you don't, that's the thing.
You did a choke out drive with 

852
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,840
all your backups in. 
And that was the thing. 

853
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,440
I mean they had so many backups 
in on defense on that. 

854
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,960
Those last couple of drives for 
Michigan State and Michigan 

855
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,960
State on those two drives went 3
plays -19 yards and then they 

856
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,560
had a punt on A6 play, 23 yard 
drive because they just weren't 

857
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,680
getting anything going. 
If you go through Michigan 

858
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,480
States drives, here we go 8 
plays 52 yards field goal, 13 

859
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,520
plays, 71 yards touchdown. 
And then the sun went down 

860
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,920
Michigan State and they go three
play. 26 yard interception, 5 

861
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,480
plays, 20 yards punt, 3 plays. 
One yard interception, 3 plays, 

862
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:25,160
5 yards punt, 3 plays, 13 yards,
end of half, 4 plays -14 yards 

863
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:30,440
block, punt, safety. 8 plays, 30
yards turnover on downs. 6 plays

864
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,520
-4 yards, turnover on downs. 3 
plays -19 yards, punt. 6 plays, 

865
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:41,840
23 yards, punt that. 
That needs an NC 17 ratings that

866
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,120
that collection of drives. 
My God. 

867
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,440
I mean, that's talk to your 
children about that. 

868
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,400
Goodness. 
Yeah, that was that was not 

869
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,040
nice. 
And The thing is you can't even 

870
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,920
say this happened. 
All the interception happened 

871
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,920
when Childs was in there. 
So it's not like, oh, the backup

872
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,320
went in and you're just playing 
a scared tentative backup. 

873
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,400
I mean, all the interceptions 
happened when their starter was 

874
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,800
in. 
It was just all of the -44 yard 

875
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,320
sacks when their backup was in. 
And you, you had what, 2 blocked

876
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,600
punts in there, 1 tipped and 
then one, one that should have 

877
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,080
been blocked for a touchdown. 
You know, just, he looks the 

878
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,480
wrong way, but that should have 
been a touchdown blocked punt, 

879
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,800
just just a complete ass 
kicking. 

880
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,880
Like I said earlier, what's wild
is we've, we continue to do 

881
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,440
this. 
We did this against Nebraska. 

882
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,880
You look back at the score, it's
like we'll look at Washington 

883
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,080
and think that was pretty much 
a, a butt whooping too. 

884
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,000
It's it's, it's wild. 
There when I did the the preview

885
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,400
podcast on Thursday, it's I, I, 
I'm not trying to call this 

886
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,520
person out because I actually 
really do enjoy the back and 

887
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,800
forth with the other schools and
and the people that are 

888
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,240
advocating for their teams. 
So there was a a Spartan 

889
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,920
commentator because in that 
preview I was like, I think 

890
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,880
Indiana's going to be fine. 
Michigan State's actually pretty

891
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,160
bad statistically. 
They've had a lot of trouble on 

892
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,840
offense. 
I think I picked Indiana to win 

893
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,480
like, I think it was like 3821 a
little did I know? 

894
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,040
But but the comment that he made
was, you know, when I said this 

895
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,880
is an offense that struggled, 
his comment was, well, imagine 

896
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,640
Indiana playing Ohio State, 
Oregon, Iowa and Michigan in 

897
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,200
that order. 
What do you think the offensive 

898
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,560
output would be? 
The reality is Indiana's played 

899
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,560
a pretty weak schedule compared 
to Michigan State. 

900
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,360
And it's like, well, the, the 
problem with that is you're not 

901
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,680
taking into account that Indiana
might just be that good and 

902
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,360
hasn't had the opportunity to 
play top teams, statistically 

903
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,120
speaking. 
You know, when you looked at 

904
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,920
Michigan State, they were going 
to have to make big plays, 

905
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,160
athletic plays. 
They're going to have to 

906
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,120
leverage their their players in 
ways that were going to create 

907
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,240
problems for Indiana. 
And they just couldn't do it. 

908
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,560
And I, and I think what makes 
this game such a, a fascinating 

909
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,880
product is just how much Indiana
was able to gum up what Michigan

910
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,080
State did. 
As much as I was critical, not 

911
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,400
critical, but just pointing out 
that Michigan State had 

912
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,720
struggled on offense. 
They haven't struggled on 

913
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,480
offense to this degree all 
season. 

914
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,320
Like, this was just another 
level. 

915
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,440
And it does make you wonder. 
It's like, OK, well, you played 

916
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,560
Ohio State. 
Ohio State's really the one team

917
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,240
that you can go back and look at
Michigan State's season so far 

918
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,760
and say, well, you know, they've
they've not they, they didn't 

919
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,440
play very well in that game. 
They lost 38 to 7, which I'll 

920
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,720
I'll note was not by as many 
points as Indiana beat Michigan 

921
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:12,840
State. 
Just just want to throw that in 

922
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,720
there. 
But you know, they scored as 

923
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,360
many points against Oregon as 
they scored against Indiana. 

924
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,080
They, you know, they they've 
been a team that struggled some 

925
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,560
on offense at various times. 
But to watch Indiana do what 

926
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,720
they did and choke them out like
this and also be able to score 

927
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,240
as much as they did was really 
impressive. 

928
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,200
And I think Indiana deserves a 
lot more credit nationally than 

929
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,000
they got for this game, at least
in what I've seen in the recaps,

930
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,560
I saw somebody put like top 10 
most impressive performances and

931
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,680
they have Indiana in the top 
ten. 

932
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,760
And I was like, Indiana just 
went in and beat what at the 

933
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:50,040
time was a four in four team 
right by 37 points in their home

934
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,280
stadium. 
This was not like a one in in 

935
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,720
eight team. 
It wasn't like they were going 

936
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:57,080
in and beating Purdue or 
somebody like that at this point

937
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,320
in the season. 
Like it's the Michigan State 

938
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,400
team that's got some bounce. 
It's the Michigan State team 

939
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,960
that is probably going to make a
bowl. 

940
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,000
They've got Illinois, Purdue and
Rutgers the rest of the way. 

941
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,840
They only need to win two of 
those three. 

942
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,840
I mean, to smack that team 
around by 37 points, that is, 

943
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:13,760
there's a level of 
impressiveness to this that 

944
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:17,760
Indiana fans realize. 
And I think Indiana media have 

945
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,520
really started to embrace. 
I'm talking about the 

946
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,160
independent media. 
But you know, nationally, 

947
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,280
they're still not getting credit
for doing this because when they

948
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,240
win these games, it's like, 
well, now that team must have 

949
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:31,120
sucked because Indiana did this 
to them. 

950
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,240
Not Indiana took that team and 
stole their soul, which is 

951
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,800
really what it's felt like has 
happened in these last three 

952
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,560
games that they they have gone 
in there. 

953
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,240
Look at what Washington did. 
I mean, is that Washington team 

954
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,560
bad? 
Not that U not that USC is 

955
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,080
necessarily great in terms of 
record, but they're what, 17th 

956
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,480
and FPI? 
You know, Washington, yes, 

957
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,520
they're playing at home, but 
that was a competitive game that

958
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,160
Washington beat USC. 
Indiana did not let Washington 

959
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,320
feel like they had a chance in 
that game for the last 25 

960
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,360
minutes. 
At some point, Indiana needs to 

961
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,240
get some kind of credit for 
being as dominant in these games

962
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:07,280
as they've been. 
I, I was saying this yesterday 

963
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,200
that if you looked at, if you 
just look at Penn State, they 

964
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,440
did play Ohio State. 
They played them at home, I 

965
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,040
might add, and we are going to 
play Ohio State. 

966
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,600
So we'll get there. 
Look at the rest of Penn State's

967
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,200
schedule. 
I mean, Penn State started the 

968
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,840
season ranked 5th, so that's why
they're ranked so high. 

969
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,000
But you look at the rest of 
their schedule at West Virginia,

970
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,640
Bowling Green, Kent State, 
Illinois, UCLA at Southern Cal 

971
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,640
at Wisconsin and then Ohio 
State, none of those games. 

972
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,320
I think there's there's there's 
connections to what IU has done 

973
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,680
all across the way. 
Yes, they play, you know, 

974
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,080
Illinois is ranked. 
I would say that they're kind of

975
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,920
in the same category phylum as 
Nebraska. 

976
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,720
Penn State beat them 21 to 7. 
We beat the hell out of 

977
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,160
Nebraska, like 57, whatever, 3 
or whatever. 

978
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,320
If if you just swap those two, 
it's going to be really 

979
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,000
annoying. 
If we come out with the rankings

980
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,760
today and we're not ahead of 
Penn State, which which will 

981
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,160
probably might be the case just 
because they started ranked 

982
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,320
ahead of us. 
But you, you start looking at 

983
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,800
other teams outside of, you 
know, Georgia who just played 

984
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,200
everybody. 
You look at other teams around 

985
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,320
the country, nobody else, nobody
else is playing a murderer's 

986
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,640
role. 
They'll have one or two really 

987
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,280
tough games. 
And by the way, we still have an

988
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,320
Ohio State game coming up. 
So we're still going to play 

989
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,000
those games. 
It it, it is annoying, but it 

990
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,720
also it, you know, just just 
keep winning, keep going. 

991
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,160
I think this week, not to jump 
ahead, but this week is going to

992
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,560
be key because I don't think 
Michigan's very good, but they 

993
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,680
have that name recognition. 
You know, they have the name the

994
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,960
Michigan. 
I think we're going to get way 

995
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,240
more credit for beating Michigan
than we will for, you know, 

996
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,000
having beat Maryland. 
But I'm not sure there are 

997
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,800
really any different teams 
outside of just the helmet and 

998
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,920
the logo that we're used to 
seeing. 

999
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:47,320
Well, Ari Wasserman had a great 
tweet yesterday where he said 

1000
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,680
like Indiana has been free money
in the betting world for the 

1001
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,600
whole season. 
Every every spray. 

1002
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,280
Solely because of the logo on 
the side of the helmet, right? 

1003
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,640
I mean, that's the thing, and it
is interesting. 

1004
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,400
And we'll talk about the 
Michigan game here in a second. 

1005
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,760
There's a couple of the 
reflections I want to get about 

1006
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,680
the Michigan State game. 
But you know, Indiana did open 

1007
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,600
as like an 11 1/2 or 12 1/2 
point favorite against Michigan,

1008
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,320
which is the first time 
Indiana's been favored against 

1009
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,240
Michigan since 1968. 
I think it is. 

1010
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,640
But to put this Michigan State 
game into one last piece of 

1011
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,360
context, and I just, I just 
double checked this with Greg 

1012
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,440
Campbell, the sports information
director for IU. 

1013
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,800
Indiana wins by 37 points on the
road in a Big 10 game. 

1014
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,200
Now, we've talked a lot about 
how hard it has been for Indiana

1015
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,720
to win any games on the road in 
the Big 10. 

1016
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:42,400
And, and just to highlight that 
I actually have a, a, a chart, a

1017
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,600
a spreadsheet that Scott has 
seen that I've been cultivating 

1018
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:51,920
over the years since 1997, 
Indiana does not have very many 

1019
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,320
wins on the on the road in the 
Big 10. 

1020
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,080
I think the, the number now with
this game is 21 Rd. wins on the 

1021
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:03,040
Big 10 total in the 24 seasons 
that have existed within this 

1022
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,760
Millennium. 
This was the largest margin of 

1023
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:12,720
victory for Indiana in a road 
game in the Big 10 since 1988. 

1024
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,320
That was the season that they 
beat Purdue at Ross Ade 52 to 7.

1025
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,560
That's how long it's been since 
Indiana won by this margin of 

1026
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,400
victory on the road in the Big 
10. 

1027
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,400
So again, I just want everybody 
that was there or anybody that 

1028
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,480
watched the game to just take a 
step back and savor that for a 

1029
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,720
little bit. 
To be able to go in not to a 

1030
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:37,200
terrible team in the Big 10, but
a mid table team in the Big 10 

1031
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,840
and beat them by 37 points on 
the road is a a historic 

1032
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,880
accomplishment for this Indiana 
football program. 

1033
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,040
I'm I'm letting that just sit. 
That's he said it perfectly. 

1034
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,720
I agree, yes. 
I also want to just a little bit

1035
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:51,920
talk about the crowd that was 
there beforehand. 

1036
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,160
We had a, an interesting drive 
up to East Lansing. 

1037
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,080
The Michigan Department of 
Transportation, for whatever 

1038
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,600
reason, decided to just close 
Interstate 69 between the part. 

1039
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,920
Well, it was not the entire 
length, but like about a Six 

1040
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,880
Mile stretch between the border 
and Lansing, which involved a 

1041
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,760
lot of of taking side roads and 
things like that. 

1042
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,720
I've never been to East Lansing 
before and I gotta say the 

1043
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:18,840
people were very friendly. 
I was really impressed with how 

1044
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,360
friendly the people were. 
They're kind of. 

1045
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,600
They've left into my top 2IN 
friendly Rd. fan bases, at least

1046
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,280
for traveling. 
Iowa #1. 

1047
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,880
Nebraska, Nebraska, those folks 
were incredibly friendly when we

1048
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,160
were there, at least the people 
that we saw. 

1049
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,520
But the Michigan State people 
were generally really friendly, 

1050
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,480
although their students need to 
work on their insult game. 

1051
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,680
Like I was walking out of the 
parking lot, we were walking 

1052
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,680
through the little residential 
area north of where that 

1053
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,200
commercial strip is. 
And you know, there's some dudes

1054
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,720
on the lawn across and they, 
they yell across the street, 

1055
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,480
hey, the salon is that way. 
And I'm like, what I, I'm 

1056
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,160
assuming they're referring to 
the hair, but I mean, come on, 

1057
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,080
you gotta come up with some 
better burns than that. 

1058
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,000
Like that's, that's not gonna, 
I'm gonna be like, thank you. 

1059
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,560
I'm gonna go get a a rinse and, 
you know, maybe a little bit off

1060
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,480
the top before I go into the 
stadium. 

1061
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,520
But you know, the we, we, we're 
at a bar with a bunch of IU fans

1062
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,600
ahead of the game. 
That was a lot of fun. 

1063
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,680
We got a chance to hook up with 
some of our friends, saw Jordan 

1064
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,880
Brock out there, saw several 
people. 

1065
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,200
It was one gentleman that I met 
whose name is escaping me while 

1066
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,640
I'm on the pod here, but has 
been to like 105 IU football 

1067
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:29,480
games in a row, which man, I 
mean, I, I bow to that person 

1068
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,840
and their personality. 
Like city road games. 

1069
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,320
Yeah, they've been to right. 
I mean, that's. 

1070
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,000
Part of the IIU athletic staff 
like. 

1071
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:43,280
Is it paid to do this? 
But saw so many great people in 

1072
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,200
the stands. 
We had Lucas Kite came up and 

1073
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,240
said hi to me in the stands. 
It was great to see Lucas and 

1074
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,520
just a a ton of people that we 
took pictures with in the end 

1075
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,400
zone after the game. 
Had some folks run up and take 

1076
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,200
some pictures up in Section 8 
with me as well. 

1077
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,360
It was great to see everybody 
and just it was a jovial and 

1078
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,480
excited and, and for the most 
part, not rude IU fanbase. 

1079
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,120
Everybody was just happy to be 
there in terms of like watching 

1080
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,480
Indiana perform that well in, in
every aspect of the game. 

1081
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,800
It was really cool to see and 
again, it's like, you know, 

1082
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,040
we've seen this with UCLA, we've
seen it with Northwestern, we've

1083
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,400
now seen it with Michigan State.
Indiana has travelled very well 

1084
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,920
to these games and I expect to 
see that continue. 

1085
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,560
This is really a fun team to 
follow. 

1086
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,840
But as Huperazi points out, he 
was up there, We saw him post 

1087
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,520
game. 
The parking was terrible. 

1088
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,680
That was probably the worst 
parking situation that I've ever

1089
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,800
experienced for a football game.
And I've been to a lot of places

1090
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:44,960
that don't have a lot of 
parking. 

1091
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,920
I mean, I used to go to games at
the University of Miami when 

1092
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,440
they were in the Orange Bowl, 
which there was no parking in 

1093
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,600
Little Havana. 
I can tell you that this was 

1094
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,600
worse than that. 
Like we went, we spent 40 

1095
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,880
minutes looking for a spot. 
We finally found a spot at the 

1096
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,400
the, I think East Lansing High 
School or whatever it was. 

1097
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,560
So it was, you know, but it was 
a fun trip. 

1098
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,840
We really had a great time. 
It was great to see so many IU 

1099
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,640
fans there. 
And it was just one of those 

1100
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:12,040
situations where you couldn't 
help if you were an IU fan, but 

1101
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,640
just it was so life affirming, 
especially after the game. 

1102
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,960
I mean, watching the the team 
come over, you know, get the old

1103
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,680
brass platoon, bring it over to 
the fans that had traveled there

1104
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,040
were there were some students in
the mix. 

1105
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,280
There was some younger alumni. 
There were older alumni. 

1106
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,240
Everybody cheering them on. 
Signeti coming off the field and

1107
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,080
leading that go IU chant that 
he's decided he's going to 

1108
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,080
adopt. 
You know, he acknowledges the 

1109
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,600
crowd across the board. 
Scott Dolson's out there, you 

1110
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,000
know, Pam Witten was out there. 
I mean, it was just like it was 

1111
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,840
cool to watch that collection of
of IU people and the fans that 

1112
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,840
were there. 
And that there's this fun in 

1113
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,960
person connection that I've seen
now in all three of these Rd. 

1114
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,400
games where the players are 
acknowledging the fans, the fans

1115
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,600
are acknowledging the players. 
There's an immensely communal 

1116
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,960
sense between this fan base and 
this team and the people that 

1117
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,960
are coaching it and running the 
athletic department. 

1118
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,440
And it's a it's a special, it's 
an emotionally special kind of 

1119
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,960
thing, especially if we've 
watched these two groups, the 

1120
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,280
fans and the program not always 
really be that close with each 

1121
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,680
other. 
It's been a lot of tension over 

1122
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:13,520
the course of. 
Time. 

1123
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,840
I feel like there should be a 
stat like a Bill Connolly stat 

1124
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,280
of like opposing stadium clear 
outs 'cause you look at UCLA and

1125
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,120
Michigan State, that's two of 
our three big 10 Rd. games. 

1126
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,560
We have cleared out their 
stadium by really the fourth 

1127
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,800
quarter 'cause you were there 
watching on TV by the fourth 

1128
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:31,920
quarters, like there's nobody 
there. 

1129
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,680
It's just IU fans are left. 
We've done it back-to-back 

1130
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,080
weeks. 
I do feel like if you're able to

1131
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,120
do it at at Ohio Stadium, that 
that should be like a, you know,

1132
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,520
worth 4 points versus doing it 
at Michigan State. 

1133
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,840
But you know that that's a. 
That's a great stat, 2 out of 3.

1134
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,320
Big 10 Rd. games. 
You cleared out the stadium 

1135
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,600
because you were beating the 
team by so much and we were 

1136
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,720
noticing it. 
Eric Knabel, who a lot of you 

1137
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,080
know, he was texting me, he's 
like, I predict we're going to 

1138
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,000
have a lot of spare seating 
available to us when the fourth 

1139
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,080
quarter started. 
And he was right and it was cool

1140
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,560
to see. 
And again, I give all credit to 

1141
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,120
Michigan State fans. 
They they were actually very, 

1142
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,160
very cordial with us. 
We got a lot of, hey, good luck 

1143
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,240
the rest of the season. 
Please beat the hell out of Ohio

1144
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:16,080
State comments. 
So that was nice. 

1145
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:19,440
What was really, please beat the
hell out of Michigan first. 

1146
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:21,600
Please, please also beat Ohio 
State. 

1147
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,840
So it was it was nice. 
It was a good experience 

1148
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,480
overall. 
Any, any final thoughts about 

1149
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,800
this game, Scott, before we move
forward to to talking about 

1150
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,400
what's going to be coming up 
this week? 

1151
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,360
No, I'm, I'm ready to talk about
the next I'm, I'm already fired 

1152
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,560
up for the next game. 
And finally, you know, we, we 

1153
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,320
flew back from our fall break 
trip before the Washington game 

1154
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,200
got in like 2:00 AM and that was
a, you know, noon kick off where

1155
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,120
I, it was college game day. 
So I had to leave at 7:00. 

1156
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,640
Not a quick turn around. 
I'm, as I mentioned before, I'm 

1157
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,280
coaching my son's basketball. 
Our first game is on Saturday, 

1158
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,680
although I don't know the time 
because the commissioners a 

1159
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,880
little bit underwater trying to 
get things out, but I'll be 

1160
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,520
coaching game that morning 
sometime at 9/10 11:00. 

1161
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,560
I was like, please don't make it
a noon game. 

1162
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,640
Like just help me out because I 
don't know, my son will want to 

1163
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,000
play basketball. 
I'm like, I don't know what I'm 

1164
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,880
gonna do. 
The 330 kick really helps me. 

1165
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,640
So just thank you to the TV 
networks for helping out Scott 

1166
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,480
on Crimson cast. 
It's it's much appreciated. 

1167
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,360
Thanks for doing me a solid. 
We're gonna talk about that, but

1168
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,920
we need to introduce something. 
I I hope this works. 

1169
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,680
I, I, I don't know if it's 
actually gonna play. 

1170
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,400
And if it doesn't, I'll just say
what I'm going to say, but I 

1171
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,200
wanted to play this first. 
Let's see if this works. 

1172
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:40,920
Hold on. 
I'm not sure if that actually 

1173
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,480
came through. 
That was that was of course 

1174
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,640
still playing in the background.
Just play it on a loop. 

1175
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,320
But that that is signetti, of 
course, saying back in December,

1176
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,080
Purdue sucks, but so does 
Michigan and Ohio State. 

1177
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:58,280
Scott, I don't know if you've 
checked the schedule, but. 

1178
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,920
That's our last three games. 
Hold on, I am going to declare 

1179
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,400
officially this is this is suck 
month walking everybody to suck 

1180
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:08,880
month. 
We're we're playing the three 

1181
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,640
teams that Kurt Signeti 
highlighted in that clip as we 

1182
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,680
go down the stretch here with 
Indiana already 9 and O welcome 

1183
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,040
to suck month. 
I welcome you to and how you 

1184
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,200
feeling Scott? 
I'm I'm. 

1185
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:22,960
Ready to suck. 
Please don't clip that. 

1186
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,400
I I'm ready for them to suck. 
I think is the the answer you're

1187
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,760
looking for us to kick some ass.
I, I mentioned this on an 

1188
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,200
earlier pod. 
It might be one of the Crimson 

1189
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,360
caches. 
You know, when I first heard 

1190
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,040
signeti say that it was awesome,
but I also just thought, all 

1191
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,160
right, that is, you know, our 
rival and then you're just 

1192
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,960
picking two of the top teams in 
the big 10. 

1193
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,600
I'm I'm past the point of I, I'm
giving signeti credit for 

1194
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,840
everything. 
Our schedule was out at that 

1195
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,120
point. 
I, I wonder and I really do 

1196
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,560
think he might have looked at it
and been like maybe we're going 

1197
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,640
to be 9 and O going into those 
last three games. 

1198
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,360
And I mean those are our last 
three games and those are the 

1199
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,720
teams that all suck. 
I I'm not sure it's a 

1200
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,400
coincidence that he just picked 
those teams out of thin air. 

1201
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,560
So I think let's let's show 
Signetti that they do suck and 

1202
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:07,880
let's go out and beat the three 
of them. 

1203
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,200
Signation. 
Yes, Jordan. 

1204
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,440
So let's let's talk through this
because this Michigan game is so

1205
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,280
pivotal and we're going to have 
a lot about this Michigan game 

1206
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,000
later on in the week. 
There's a couple of things I 

1207
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,520
think we need to to to highlight
before. 

1208
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:23,680
You get into a little bit of a 
preview. 

1209
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,320
Can I just say one thing? 
Yeah, go ahead. 

1210
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,000
Because I think I think he 
deserves it now. 

1211
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,640
But I do think that what's on 
the table here, just based on 

1212
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,080
the fact that it's Michigan and 
it's a name and if they're 

1213
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,240
defending champs, I do think 
when Indiana see, I'm changing 

1214
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,720
my tune. 
When Indiana wins this game, I 

1215
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,000
think this is when Signetti 
locks up Coach of the year. 

1216
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,080
I I think he should already have
it locked up, but I think this 

1217
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,280
is the game that locks up 
national coach of the year. 

1218
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,360
I, I don't know what the 
argument would be for anybody 

1219
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,240
else at this point. 
I mean, you know, this is, it's 

1220
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,400
not UCF going from like O and 12
to whatever they did in terms of

1221
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,800
record. 
But again, it's like you've got 

1222
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:07,480
such a history of not competing 
at this level at Indiana and all

1223
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,960
of the changes that have 
occurred over the course of this

1224
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,920
last 11 months. 
I mean, it's all happened in 

1225
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,280
this the last 11 months, Scott, 
This is not, this is not 

1226
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,320
something where it's like, well,
we laid the foundation for a 

1227
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,560
year and then we kind of got, I 
mean, it's, it's wild to think 

1228
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,480
through the implications of 
everything that Indiana has done

1229
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,040
in such a a short period of 
time. 

1230
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,360
And look, the players deserve a 
ton of credit. 

1231
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,840
The assistant coaches deserve a 
ton of credit. 

1232
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,520
Scott Dolson deserves a ton of 
credit for making the hire. 

1233
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,600
But Kurtz Signetti is the guy 
that had the plan. 

1234
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,800
I don't know how you look at 
what has gone on across college 

1235
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,760
football and don't say this guy 
deserves coach of the year right

1236
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:43,880
now. 
I don't care what happens the 

1237
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,000
rest of the season. 
I totally agree. 

1238
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,640
But I I think this win a lot 
will lock it up. 

1239
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,040
Well, so let's I mean, let's 
talk a little bit about this. 

1240
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,120
Ultimately, Indiana's facing a 
Michigan team that they are now 

1241
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,360
either an 11 1/2 or 12 1/2 point
favored over. 

1242
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,200
And that is largely because 
Michigan has struggled so badly 

1243
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,560
offensively. 
You know, we just played 

1244
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,120
Michigan State. 
Michigan State's averaging 19.8 

1245
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,480
points a game. 
Michigan is only averaging 21 

1246
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,240
points per game. 
Michigan on the course of the 

1247
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,280
season, if you look at what 
they've accomplished, their 

1248
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,080
wins, they're five and four on 
the season. 

1249
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,400
Their wins are against Fresno 
State, Arkansas State. 

1250
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,800
USC by three at home, Minnesota 
by three at home in a 

1251
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,880
controversial game, and Michigan
State by 7. 

1252
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,080
That's their wins. 
That's all of them. 

1253
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,320
They're, you know, their losses.
Their losses have been to to 

1254
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,560
fairly good teams. 
Texas at Washington by 10, at 

1255
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,240
Illinois by 14. 
And then of course, the game 

1256
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,400
that they play with, they played
fairly well against Oregon, all 

1257
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,480
things considered. 
So there's two things to think 

1258
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,200
about here. 
A, And I think Patrick had this 

1259
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:51,080
in a comment earlier, this is a 
brand that is frightening. 

1260
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:56,040
This is a team that Indiana has 
beaten once since 1987 and has 

1261
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:03,000
beaten twice since 1967. 
It is a brand that you don't 

1262
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,160
have to work to get worked up 
about. 

1263
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,600
You like you don't have to 
convince somebody to play hard 

1264
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,360
because Michigan's going to be 
on the other side. 

1265
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,360
It's a team that has a ton of 
talent across most of their 

1266
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,400
play, but it is a team that has 
struggled at the quarterback 

1267
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,200
position, has struggled to 
score. 

1268
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,560
This is going to be the biggest 
test for Indiana because it's, 

1269
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,080
you know, in terms of like just 
a mental hump of being able to 

1270
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,480
say we can go out and beat 
Michigan. 

1271
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,720
Michigan's no better than us, 
but we have to execute every 

1272
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:30,080
play. 
Now. 

1273
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,520
We've seen Indiana do this over 
and over again this season. 

1274
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,600
We're going to talk through a 
lot of individual statistical 

1275
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,320
matchups as we go through the 
rest of the week. 

1276
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,280
But you know what makes this 
such a tough game for Indiana? 

1277
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,040
It's kind of what made the 
Michigan State game ostensibly, 

1278
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,040
but not in reality, a tough game
for Indiana, which is the 

1279
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,200
building of pressure and 
expectations and the idea that 

1280
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,000
if Indiana wins this game, 
they're going to tend to know 

1281
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,760
for the first time in school 
history, right? 

1282
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,320
They will have almost locked up 
a College Football Playoff at 

1283
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,080
large berth. 
If you go through the selector 

1284
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,880
and you go through some of the 
other things that are happening 

1285
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:09,360
in college football or will 
happen in college football and 

1286
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,480
they'll be doing it in a marquee
television window on CBS. 

1287
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,360
Like this is, you know, you get 
the the, the Jingle that comes 

1288
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,600
in at the beginning that that 
CBS college football Jingle 

1289
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,040
that's always been associated 
with SEC football. 

1290
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,200
The eyes of the college football
world are going to be on Indiana

1291
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,080
in a way that they haven't been 
all season because of the fact 

1292
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,440
that they're playing Michigan, 
because that's such a big brand.

1293
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,120
This is going to be a huge game.
And again, this is where Kurt 

1294
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,160
Signetti and his staff have a 
tremendous task in front of him 

1295
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,880
this week to keep their players 
grounded and level headed. 

1296
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,320
The players have a huge task in 
focusing on the film, focusing 

1297
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,160
on how they can exploit 
Michigan's weaknesses. 

1298
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,120
Statistically, Indiana is the 
superior team. 

1299
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,000
There's no question. 
That's why the lines have opened

1300
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,240
up where they have. 
That's why they're likely going 

1301
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,040
to stay there. 
But again, this is one of those 

1302
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:01,600
Dragons that you have to slay on
route to whatever the final boss

1303
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,240
battle is. 
You have to be able to beat 

1304
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,640
Michigan. 
And it's just something that 

1305
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,320
even in seasons where Michigan 
hasn't been that good, Indiana 

1306
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,240
has rarely ever done. 
And so, you know, I think we're 

1307
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:12,640
going to have to be going 
through a lot of this 

1308
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,520
psychologically as a fan base 
this week. 

1309
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,040
But I also think that for the 
team and the coaching staff, 

1310
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,600
this becomes one of their 
biggest challenges because you 

1311
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,880
get over this hump and it opens 
up an entirely new set of vistas

1312
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,160
that you would have never even 
imagined before the season 

1313
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,600
started. 
I agree with all of that, but I 

1314
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,520
also think as we've seen all 
year, that the the concern of 

1315
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,760
previous IU football seasons 
affects us, the fans. 

1316
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,760
It's not affecting Coach 
Signetti or this team that they 

1317
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,240
are just immune to it. 
They move on with it. 

1318
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,400
And if you look at, yeah, you 
look at Michigan State, like I 

1319
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,880
mentioned earlier, as a 
bellwether team, when they 

1320
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,520
played mid level teams, they 
played them pretty well and 

1321
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,000
lost. 
When they played really top 

1322
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,760
level teams, they got their ass 
kicked. 

1323
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:55,920
You look at Michigan, it's the 
same thing. 

1324
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,680
They beat bad teams. 
When they play good teams like 

1325
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,280
Texas, Washington, IL and 
Oregon, the best teams on their 

1326
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,640
schedule, they have lost. 
So you look at this and it, it 

1327
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:12,280
really, you know, this is where 
I'm, I'm real really ready to 

1328
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:17,160
shed some of the IU fan base, 
you know, just armor that's been

1329
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:21,280
built up year over year because 
this team has shown nothing 

1330
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,360
that, that it's not going to be 
prepared and ready. 

1331
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,360
Michigan State was a, was a real
trap game in my mind. 

1332
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,440
That was a tough environment and
it played out about as bad as 

1333
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,880
you could expect for the 1st 10 
minutes of the game. 

1334
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,560
And they turned it on a dime and
won. 

1335
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,560
So I'm even, you know, they 
could come out and throw 2 picks

1336
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,560
again and get down 14 nothing. 
I'm not going to be awesome. 

1337
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,400
I'm not going to be in a great 
mood, but I'm I'm I'm never 

1338
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,840
going to feel like this team 
can't come back and just start 

1339
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:53,960
kicking ass again. 
And it does really feel like 

1340
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:59,000
Signeti understands all of this.
You know, the only thing that 

1341
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,880
that gives me pause just because
we don't want to talk positively

1342
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,680
the whole time is and I don't 
have the schedule in front of 

1343
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:05,280
me. 
You can pull it up. 

1344
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,360
James Madison schedule last 
year. 

1345
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,640
You know, they they kind of had 
a similar rise last year. 

1346
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,960
They get game day there. 
It's like they they are at the 

1347
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,000
precipice of seeing the new 
vistas, as you said, and then 

1348
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,680
they lost, I think, to 
Appalachian State. 

1349
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,760
So there, there is, you know, 
this Signetti has kind of been 

1350
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,360
here before standing on a 
precipice of do some doing 

1351
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,120
something that has never been 
done before and he wasn't able 

1352
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,000
to do it last year. 
Now, I, I, I think we all should

1353
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,240
have the utmost faith in 
Signetti. 

1354
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,640
And I'm actually happy that 
happened because I, I don't 

1355
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,560
think Signetti's the kind of guy
who's like, well, you know, not 

1356
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,600
him, that that's a fluke. 
Like I think he really has 

1357
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:43,600
looked at that. 
What did we do wrong? 

1358
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,880
How do we prepare for that game 
incorrectly? 

1359
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,240
How can we change how we're 
going to prepare? 

1360
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,920
So I, I think it's actually a 
blessing in disguise that 

1361
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,880
happened last year. 
But that would be the only thing

1362
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,520
is when you look at that last 
year, you know, James Madison 

1363
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:00,440
had that moment and they were 
not able to, to cash in well. 

1364
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,000
And you know, I think it's 
interesting and to some degree 

1365
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,680
it's it's a great point and I 
agree with that. 

1366
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,440
But I'd almost argue that 
Signetti and this staff and many

1367
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,560
of these players, having been in
a position where they were on 

1368
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,120
the precipice and they end up 
losing a game at home to an 

1369
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,840
Appalachian State team that that
was good. 

1370
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,480
They weren't, I mean, they 
weren't a great team. 

1371
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,280
They finished nine and five on 
the season. 

1372
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,640
They they scored like 32 points 
a game. 

1373
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,080
That was a really good 
Appalachian State team having 

1374
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,360
been through that experience 
that really will, I think, help 

1375
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,200
the leaders on this team and the
coaching staff know what to 

1376
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,040
avoid as they go through this 
week. 

1377
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:35,360
And look, game day's not gonna 
be here. 

1378
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,320
Big Noon might be here even 
though it's a 330 kick for for 

1379
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,120
Cbsi don't totally know yet how.
Wild is this IU fans like Big 

1380
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:44,360
Noon might be here, man, who 
cares? 

1381
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,320
Like, you know, just normal 
Saturday. 

1382
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,560
But but, but I do think that 
that you, you really do bring up

1383
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,480
a good point. 
We we worried about this before 

1384
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,600
the Nebraska game. 
Like, wow, all this attention 

1385
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,400
sell out. 
Like is Indiana going to be able

1386
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,720
to navigate the emotional 
hurdles? 

1387
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,160
We worried about it for 
Washington game day is going to 

1388
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:04,680
be here. 
You don't have your starting 

1389
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,080
quarterback. 
Can they navigate those hurdles?

1390
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:09,680
You know, you feel like they're 
going to be able to navigate 

1391
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,280
this. 
It's a different type of hurdle.

1392
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,440
It's a different type of hurdle 
because they've now thrived in 

1393
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,840
the spotlight a couple of times.
Can you keep doing it? 

1394
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,840
That's the mark of really great 
teams and that is something that

1395
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,280
I think is going to be really 
fascinating to watch as we go 

1396
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,400
into this upcoming week. 330 
start is I think it's our first 

1397
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,920
3 did. 
We have one earlier, obviously 

1398
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,160
1st 330 start in the Big 10. 
I, I think it's going to make 

1399
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,880
for just an, you know, great 
tailgating for you and the 

1400
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,240
tailgate crew. 
I'll be coming down after 

1401
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,360
whenever my basketball game is, 
but I, I think this is the 

1402
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:44,120
perfect time for a real frenzied
crowd because sometimes the noon

1403
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,560
kickoffs can be a little tough 
for people to make it down. 

1404
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,360
The 3:30 is just at the perfect 
time. 

1405
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,720
You'll get the sun setting and 
hopefully the weather is good. 

1406
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,000
But I, I do think this is going 
to be a great crowd. 

1407
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,080
And I, and I also think, you 
know, one of my, I unfortunately

1408
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:00,600
have a lot of friends who are 
Big 10 fans. 

1409
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,320
My buddy Danny, who, you know, 
him and his parents, he's coming

1410
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,840
down with his family. 
He's always, he's a Michigan 

1411
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,240
grad. 
He's always come to the games 

1412
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:08,600
and I've I've told him like, 
dude, be ready. 

1413
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,800
It's going to be different. 
Like I don't think there's, you 

1414
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,640
know, he's he's used to having a
bunch of, you know, Bishkin fans

1415
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,600
in the stands healing go blue 
and stuff like that. 

1416
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,279
And like, dude, it's I don't 
think it's going to be like 

1417
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:19,080
that. 
Like Nebraska didn't bring 

1418
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,080
anybody. 
I know they travel really well. 

1419
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,840
I just don't see a world where 
Michigan brings the kind of fans

1420
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,399
they they did in the past. 
And I told him like, it's going 

1421
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:32,040
to be loud. 
And again, I think you you hit 

1422
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,600
it the best. 
Our stadium is not going to 

1423
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,840
scare Michigan. 
Michigan has been in really 

1424
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,000
tough environments. 
They've played in, you know, 

1425
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,960
Ohio Stadium, they've played in 
tough places. 

1426
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,399
What it what it does is it buoys
our team. 

1427
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,720
It gets our team fired up. 
And that's the most important 

1428
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,279
thing. 
We had a great question from one

1429
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:55,720
of my former students and and an
avid listener of the podcast TA,

1430
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:59,720
Asking for soccer fans like me, 
what's the soccer equivalent of 

1431
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,080
Indiana's football season? 
Leicester City's Premier League 

1432
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,800
title run in 2016. 
I actually think that's a great 

1433
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,200
comp, like a team that was not 
picked to do anything like this 

1434
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,240
Indiana team was 16th or 17th in
most of the preseason 

1435
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,439
projections in the Big 10, not 
nationally. 

1436
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,960
In the Big 10, they're coached 
by a manager who has won things 

1437
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:22,560
at lower levels but is still 
kind of viewed with suspicion or

1438
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,200
a, a, a lack of respect at the 
top level. 

1439
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,680
In Leicester City's case, it was
Claudio Ranieri who, you know, 

1440
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,000
won Serie A, say, which is the 
third division of Italian soccer

1441
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,080
with Calgary, won Serie A Bay, 
which is the second division 

1442
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,080
with Fiorentina, had won the 
Copa del Rey with Valencia. 

1443
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,399
But these were all lower level 
things for the most part. 

1444
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,840
He comes in and takes this 
Leicester team and they keep 

1445
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,439
winning and everybody's like, 
well, they're going to collapse 

1446
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:47,640
eventually. 
They're going to collapse 

1447
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,160
eventually. 
They're going to lose this game 

1448
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,439
or Chelsea's going to catch them
or Tottenham's going to catch 

1449
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:52,640
them. 
It was a weird year that year in

1450
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,040
the Premier League and it never 
happened. 

1451
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,920
And you know, they, they keep 
winning games down the stretch 

1452
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,240
and at the end of it, they're 
Premier League champions. 

1453
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,440
And it is the most improbable 
thing I think arguably that's 

1454
01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:09,600
ever happened in the top four or
five major leagues in European 

1455
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,640
soccer. 
This would be at maybe, you 

1456
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,280
know, it could be a higher level
of improbable if Indiana were to

1457
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:19,080
actually carry this through go 
12 and O go to the big 10 title 

1458
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,560
game. 
It's mostly the out of nowhere 

1459
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:25,040
nature of it and how it just 
kind of this team of players 

1460
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,480
that people didn't think was 
going to be able to compete, not

1461
01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:31,600
just competing, but meshing into
a unit that people took shots at

1462
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:32,760
all the time. 
People thought, well, they're 

1463
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,760
not actually that good because 
of the brand name. 

1464
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,760
No one took Leicester City 
seriously. 

1465
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,200
Nobody thought of them as a 
contender, but they come out of 

1466
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,640
nowhere and they win the league.
I think it's a great shout, Tom 

1467
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,880
and I'm I'll think about other 
thoughts. 

1468
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,880
I'm sure Zach Osterman, if he 
listens to this podcast, will 

1469
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,240
maybe have another comp that he 
would throw in there. 

1470
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,320
But that would that would be 
about as good as I could think 

1471
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,360
of with this one. 
I don't watch soccer, so I, I, I

1472
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,680
don't know Tony Meola like that.
That's as far as I'm going to 

1473
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:57,280
go. 
I don't know. 

1474
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,880
I, I will say my buddy Robert 
had a great point. 

1475
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:01,960
He's like, I he's like, now I 
hope you guys win the national 

1476
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,200
championship and you never go 
down by anybody else. 

1477
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,480
So the only team that was able 
to get a lead on Indiana was 

1478
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,160
Michigan State the rest of the 
season. 

1479
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:13,720
And and as you were saying that,
I do think like, here's my fever

1480
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:14,400
dream. 
That is funny. 

1481
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,720
Now, if we make a run to the 
College Football Playoff and get

1482
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,600
to the national championship 
game, it will be funny just to 

1483
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,760
see how much they move the goal 
posts Again. 

1484
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,200
It's like, well, Indiana played 
the first they were at home. 

1485
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:25,920
You know, that's that's they 
played Illinois, not good and 

1486
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,520
they played BYU. 
That's not a great team. 

1487
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,040
And then, you know, Texas that 
maybe it'll be like others. 

1488
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,160
You know, it's like it'll be 
funny just to see the goal post 

1489
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,760
moves all along the way. 
It also is, you know, people are

1490
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,280
talking on the chat a little bit
about the Ohio State game. 

1491
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:44,240
I'm already pre annoyed because 
if we go 11:00 and 1:00, which I

1492
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,280
think we're going to do, I think
we could go 12 and O we'll talk 

1493
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,040
about that next week. 
But if we go 11 and one and even

1494
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,120
if we play well against Ohio 
State, there's going to be a bit

1495
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,720
of well, I told you like they 
can't play the good teams. 

1496
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,480
Like nobody can't like not 
everybody can beat Ohio State. 

1497
01:11:59,480 --> 01:12:03,200
Like the idea that, you know, 
people are asking me, you know, 

1498
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:05,840
God, if you lose to Purdue is 
the season, is this going to be 

1499
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,200
just kill your heart? 
It's like we have nine wins. 

1500
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,280
We've never been here like this 
is this is the highest level 

1501
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:12,720
we've ever had. 
Like I thought we were going to 

1502
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,080
win eight games. 
I thought we were crazy. 

1503
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,280
My goal every year is to win 6 
and go to a bowl. 

1504
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,920
Like that's not that's not 
changing until we have 567 years

1505
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,520
of this. 
Then maybe I'll go to like seven

1506
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,160
wins. 
Like I'm the idea of these 

1507
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,640
heights are are nuts. 
And I never go into a year 

1508
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:27,800
thinking, well, we got to beat 
Ohio. 

1509
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:32,680
State on the road. 
Well yeah I know it's it is wild

1510
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,760
and it's hard again as I talked 
with a lot of IU fans yesterday 

1511
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,880
at the game I've talked with 
many of you as I've seen you 

1512
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,400
around Bloomington or we've been
chatting on these pods. 

1513
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:45,160
It's you almost don't know what 
expectations to have like you 

1514
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,840
know how are we supposed to feel
what are you supposed to think 

1515
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,000
this is this is uncharted 
territory for this program and 

1516
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,000
its fans it's uncharted 
territory for people outside the

1517
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:58,920
program who don't know how to 
address a nine and O Indiana 

1518
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:03,360
that has an 86% probability of 
making the College Football 

1519
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,920
Playoff right now as a margin of
victory of what like 2829 points

1520
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:08,760
a game. 
I didn't want to There was a 

1521
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,280
comment from Allison Dalton 
here. 

1522
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,120
I wish my late husband was here 
to see this. 

1523
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:13,520
Of course he has better seats 
than I do. 

1524
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,480
Well, Allison, you know, I, I 
think about my dad with this all

1525
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:17,680
the time. 
And I know a lot of other 

1526
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,480
people, you know, feel the same 
way, like the, the people that 

1527
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,440
we know that have loved or have 
followed IU football for a long 

1528
01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:27,760
time. 
And this was never even in the 

1529
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,000
the conversation as a 
possibility. 

1530
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,000
This is, it's why this season 
has been so special. 

1531
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,720
It's why this Michigan game is 
so like it's, it's, it could be 

1532
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,760
such a a key exclamation point 
on what Indiana is able to do at

1533
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,120
home. 
I mean, it's been amazing that 

1534
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,920
atmosphere in Memorial Stadium 
the last three games, This one 

1535
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,800
is going to even top that 
because there is such a 

1536
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,280
psychological thing that you 
have with Michigan and they have

1537
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,480
been the tormentors for so long.
And to come in and This is why 

1538
01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:57,600
this game is to some degree kind
of a concern. 

1539
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,280
But it's also one where you kind
of have to have confidence at 

1540
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,280
the coaching staff and the the 
players are going to figure it 

1541
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,600
out. 
But like for IU fans and the 

1542
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,080
ones that are no longer with us,
who have been through all of 

1543
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,400
these seasons that have been so 
terrible to be in this position 

1544
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,400
and, and watch this, You just 
wish everybody that ever loved 

1545
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,360
IU football, that you you ever 
spent time with, was able to 

1546
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,760
enjoy it the way that you're 
able to enjoy it in person like 

1547
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,160
this. 
Completely agree. 

1548
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:26,280
I also again, this is, you know,
embarrassment of riches, asking 

1549
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,320
for too much. 
It is the only thing that that's

1550
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:32,240
that's it. 
It sucks that it's not the right

1551
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,720
word, although it is suck month.
The only thing that's that's you

1552
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,480
know, about about these games is
we're we're not going to have 

1553
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:40,520
that moment. 
This has been such a great 

1554
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,920
season where we can, you know, 
rush the field or take down the 

1555
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,880
goal posts. 
I almost think given the 

1556
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,200
history, you know, if we're 
ranked, you know, 9th or 10th in

1557
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,160
the country and we beat A5 and 
three Michigan team, you can't 

1558
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,600
rush the field. 
But it does feel like that's the

1559
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,560
only thing we didn't get this 
year is that one statement game.

1560
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:01,280
And in a way, this is it. 
And if you beat Michigan for 

1561
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,160
exactly all the reasons that you
said, there's a world where it's

1562
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,720
like storm the field, man. 
Like this is this is the the 

1563
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,280
culmination of everything. 
And yeah, normally the ranked 

1564
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,480
team doesn't storm over beating 
a non ranked team. 

1565
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:14,680
But these are not normal 
circumstances. 

1566
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,680
And Michigan really is that that
bugaboo for us? 

1567
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,520
Yeah, it's them in Ohio State 
and you got a real opportunity 

1568
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,680
here during suck month Yeah, to 
to to right a lot of historical 

1569
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,960
wrongs. 
It's it's man what a what a what

1570
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,480
a circumstance let's. 
Matt, Matt, Matt. 

1571
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:34,880
UL question. 
Another towel design. 

1572
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,480
What do you think the towel's 
going to be? 

1573
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:39,320
So we had, you know, stay up and
study or whatever, or, you know,

1574
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:44,840
don't study. 
There was the the signeting and 

1575
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,560
there's a. 
Signetti, just the great 

1576
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,880
Signetti. 
You know, Marlboro, do you think

1577
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,600
they go back to one of those two
or you think we're getting a 

1578
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:51,800
different one for that in 
Purdue? 

1579
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:56,040
I, I have been given advance 
notice on the, the, the towel. 

1580
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,520
I'm not going to reveal it here.
I want it to be a surprise when 

1581
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,240
it is revealed by the athletic 
department. 

1582
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,000
So it's a good one is all I'll 
say. 

1583
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,240
It's a good one. 
Crimson cast Recite the drives. 

1584
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:10,760
Recite the drives towel would be
amazing, although probably would

1585
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,880
would be better suited for like 
a home game against like Indiana

1586
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:15,560
State or something like that, 
you know? 

1587
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:21,440
Yeah, yeah. 
So let's let's dive into the CFP

1588
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:23,600
stuff before we wrap up. 
We're going to go another 10 

1589
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,720
minutes or so here, but the 
first College Football Playoff 

1590
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:32,160
reveal show is this Tuesday. 
And no one really knows what 

1591
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:38,240
we're going to see in this, but 
we do know that Indiana is going

1592
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,520
to be in the College Football 
Playoff rankings somewhere, 

1593
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,600
which that's a big story in and 
of itself. 

1594
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,200
Now, if you go to the College 
Football Power Index on ESPN, 

1595
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:53,320
which we refer to often, and you
sort the teams and their 

1596
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,760
percentage chance of making the 
playoff, I want to note the 

1597
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,360
following. 
The team that has the best 

1598
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,560
chance of making the playoff 
right now according to this is 

1599
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:05,840
Oregon, 95.6% chance. 
Miami is second at 92.8% chance 

1600
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:11,360
to make the playoff and Georgia 
is 3rd 92.3% Ohio State's 4th at

1601
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:17,200
91.3%. 
Indiana's fifth have an 86.6% 

1602
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,640
chance to make the playoff, 
which is a higher probability 

1603
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:24,480
than Texas, Tennessee, Penn 
State, Boise State, BYU, Notre 

1604
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:27,920
Dame, Alabama, SMU, Ole Miss, 
Iowa State or LSU. 

1605
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:33,800
Indiana has a a better than four
out of five chance going the 

1606
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,160
rest of the way to make the 
playoff. 

1607
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:39,920
And again, as we've talked 
about, you know, it's not just 

1608
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,800
about what Indiana's doing, it's
about what everybody else is 

1609
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,520
doing as well. 
What we'll see moving forward is

1610
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,720
going to be interesting. 
But Scott, if you were drive, 

1611
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,120
you know, if you were home like 
you were after watching the IU 

1612
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,360
game or if you were like me 
driving back and listening on 

1613
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,920
SiriusXM to the games going on 
around the country. 

1614
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:00,360
Yesterday was a really good day 
for Indiana football when it 

1615
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:01,760
came to the College Football 
Playoff. 

1616
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,080
Iowa State loses at home to an 
unranked Texas Tech team. 

1617
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,160
Texas A&M. 
Texas A&M loses on the road bad 

1618
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:12,440
to South Carolina. 
You know, you had. 

1619
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,280
Yeah, Penn State lost, which was
a big one. 

1620
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:18,600
Obviously. 
You know, you had Clemson, which

1621
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:22,240
is a huge 1 loses at home 
decisively to Louisville. 

1622
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,080
And now you and, you know, 
Tennessee struggled a little 

1623
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:26,200
bit. 
They ended up winning that game.

1624
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,440
It would have been a perfect 
night if Tennessee had somehow 

1625
01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:33,040
lost that game to Kentucky. 
But what you see right now, just

1626
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,800
based on the numbers and based 
on what we think the College 

1627
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,920
Football Playoff committee 
committee will do, Indiana is in

1628
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,800
really good shape if they can 
take care of business over these

1629
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,080
next three games. 
And as Zach Osterman pointed 

1630
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,920
out, like now, it's if you can 
beat Michigan and you can beat 

1631
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:52,600
Purdue, then it's a matter of, 
well, your ceiling rises with 

1632
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,560
the Ohio State game. 
But it's not like you're out of 

1633
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,800
the College Football Playoff if 
you lose to Ohio State. 

1634
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,480
Like that's where Indiana is at 
right now in this whole mix. 

1635
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,760
The, the thing that I've been 
trying to figure out is if, if 

1636
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:09,280
we beat Michigan and Purdue lose
to Ohio State and then we, I, I 

1637
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,200
don't think in that scenario, we
make the Big 10 championships 

1638
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,760
because I think Ohio State would
make it over us and Oregon 

1639
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,560
would, would still make it. 
But my biggest fear is I 

1640
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,960
definitely see a world where we 
go 11:00 and 1:00. 

1641
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,480
If we make the Big 10 
championship and then lose to 

1642
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:28,560
Oregon, I could see them leaving
Indiana out in that scenario. 

1643
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,640
I know something you've talked 
about a couple times in the past

1644
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,320
and it's, it's annoying because 
that same scenario, if that 

1645
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:37,240
happens to Penn State, they are 
in that this is where the brand 

1646
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,680
hurts you. 
And again, we're going to be in 

1647
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,280
the best bowl we've ever been 
in, whether we make the CFP or 

1648
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,720
not. 
But you know, that to me is 

1649
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:48,680
probably the worst case scenario
is you're, you're letting the 

1650
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,240
voters have a choice. 
And, and I think they might 

1651
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,160
leave us out. 
But again, it's, it's, there's a

1652
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,520
lot of lot of pieces that have 
to happen between now and then. 

1653
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,960
So I'm gonna run through some 
things real quick. 

1654
01:19:59,960 --> 01:20:01,680
I tried to make a graphic out of
this this morning. 

1655
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,120
I couldn't. 
I might be able to share it in 

1656
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,320
in notes form though. 
On screen for those of you that 

1657
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,960
are watching along and for those
who are not. 

1658
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,920
You'll just have to, you'll have
to take my word for it. 

1659
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,720
Hold on a second. 
I'm gonna, I, I don't wanna show

1660
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,080
you what all of my, my notepads 
look like. 

1661
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,880
That would be really disastrous,
I think, for, for several 

1662
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,320
people, including myself. 
But let me salon appointments 

1663
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,600
for the salon appointments. 
OK, I'm gonna pop this up and I 

1664
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,320
hope I'm gonna, I'm gonna zoom 
in on this a little bit. 

1665
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:29,480
Here's the thing about 
everything you just said is, is 

1666
01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:31,800
correct. 
However, what I also think you 

1667
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,040
should note is the following. 
Here's the following things that

1668
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:37,480
are guaranteed to happen 
elsewhere in college football 

1669
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,040
between now and the end of the 
regular season. 

1670
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,440
All right, so I might be able to
zoom in a little bit more here. 

1671
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,640
Texas or A&M are guaranteed to 
have another loss. 

1672
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,120
Either Texas is going to have 
two losses or A&M is going to 

1673
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,160
have three. 
Alabama is either guaranteed to 

1674
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,040
have three losses or LSU is 
guaranteed to have three losses 

1675
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,480
because they play each other. 
Georgia is guaranteed 2 losses 

1676
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:02,360
or Ole Miss 3 because they play 
each other. 

1677
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:05,480
Georgia and Tennessee play each 
other, so that means two loss 

1678
01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:09,840
Tennessee or two loss Georgia, 
Notre Dame or Army play each 

1679
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,200
other. 
One of those will get another 

1680
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,040
loss. 
Clemson is either going to have 

1681
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,880
three losses or Pitt will have 
two. 

1682
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,280
Iowa State and K State play each
other. 

1683
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:20,720
You also have to add in that one
of Georgia A&M, Tennessee or 

1684
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,280
Texas will pick up another loss 
in the SEC Championship game. 

1685
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,320
Either Miami or SMU is 
guaranteed to lose a game in the

1686
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,360
ACC Championship game, and 
either BYU, Iowa State or 

1687
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,400
Colorado are guaranteed another 
loss. 

1688
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:38,680
And this is where when we talk 
about the projections, it's easy

1689
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:42,280
to look at Indiana in a a 
nutshell or in a bubble and say,

1690
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:44,400
well, gosh, if they don't do 
this or that, they're going to 

1691
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,600
be in trouble. 
But Indiana going 11 and one, 

1692
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,560
even if we accept that they 
might, that they would lose to 

1693
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,760
Ohio State, which I'm not ready 
to do anymore. 

1694
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,040
We'll talk about in a week, but 
yes, same or two weeks. 

1695
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,520
Even if you accept that that 
occurs, Indiana is going to be 

1696
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,280
in really good shape compared to
most of the other teams that are

1697
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,160
going to be in the mix for and 
in. 

1698
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:06,880
And This is why going out and 
winning 47 to 10 on the road at 

1699
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,360
Michigan State and maintaining 
these margins of victory becomes

1700
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:14,000
so important because when you 
can't say, well, our strength of

1701
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,880
schedule number wise is better, 
Let's look at the style points. 

1702
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,720
Let's look at how much you're 
beating everybody else. 

1703
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,800
And that is where Indiana's got 
a real advantage because, you 

1704
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,920
know, if they can win two out of
three or even all three of these

1705
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,440
remaining games, they're going 
to be in such better shape than 

1706
01:22:30,440 --> 01:22:33,120
most of the other teams around 
them based upon what we've seen 

1707
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,720
the College Football Playoff 
committee favor in the past. 

1708
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,000
And then that's going to be the 
big question is how does the 

1709
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,000
College Football Playoff 
committee navigate what 

1710
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,200
Indiana's resume is going to 
look like compared to, I will 

1711
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:49,000
note, Scott, teams like Miami or
BYU, who frankly don't have any 

1712
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,840
better level of results than 
Indiana has. 

1713
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,680
And even teams like Penn State 
where, you know, should Penn 

1714
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,200
State be ranked ahead of 
Indiana? 

1715
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,280
I mean, what have they done? 
They've beaten an overrated 

1716
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,360
Illinois team at home and they 
barely squeaked out a game at 

1717
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,240
AUSC team that has a losing 
record like where else? 

1718
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,200
And they have a loss, by the 
way, which Indiana does not 

1719
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,240
have. 
Like what is Penn State actually

1720
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,360
accomplished? 
What is BYU really accomplished?

1721
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:15,760
What is you know and, and this 
is where you start to get into 

1722
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,400
the Clemson's, the LS us, the 
teams that should be rightfully 

1723
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,600
underneath Indiana in the 
pecking order. 

1724
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,800
There's a lot of potential 
scenarios and directions here, 

1725
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,080
but I just want to let people 
know that right now, if Indiana 

1726
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:31,560
takes care of business, I think 
Indiana is in pretty good shape.

1727
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,720
It's just absolutely wild. 
It's also frustrating when you 

1728
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,800
you sent this out almost every 
week now when you look at the 

1729
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:43,920
full AP vote, it is wild to see 
people still in the AP vote 

1730
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,440
putting Indiana in the 17 to 20 
range, which I think is what's 

1731
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:49,920
dragging down our ranking. 
And it's really frustrating 

1732
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,600
because there's there's no 
reason why they should be there.

1733
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:56,480
But I agree with you. 
I think this is, you know, we we

1734
01:23:56,480 --> 01:23:59,600
should jump Clemson, we should 
jump Iowa State, we should jump 

1735
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,480
Texas A&M. 
Just those alone makes us 10th 

1736
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:04,480
in the country. 
And then I really think we 

1737
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:07,960
should jump a couple of those 
one loss teams like I, I'll ask 

1738
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:12,720
you this, you know, where do you
think we are ranked after this 

1739
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,120
week going into the Michigan 
game? 

1740
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:18,120
I, I think it'll, it should 
probably be six or seven, but 

1741
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,520
it'll probably be 8 or 9. 
So I went through and tried to 

1742
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,640
anticipate what the pollsters as
a whole we're going to do given 

1743
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,600
the results we saw right now. 
I think Indiana's going to end 

1744
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,440
up 9th in the poll this week. 
So I have it Oregon, Georgia, 

1745
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:35,760
Ohio State, Miami, Texas as the 
top five and then Tennessee, 

1746
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:41,200
Notre Dame who does not deserve 
to be BYU, who does not deserve 

1747
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,680
to be 8th, Indiana 9th and Penn 
State 10th. 

1748
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:47,000
I won't be shocked if they rank 
Penn State ahead of Indiana and 

1749
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,080
it's and it's Penn State 9 and 
Indiana 10. 

1750
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,440
And then I got Boise State, 
Alabama, Ole Miss, SMU, Iowa 

1751
01:24:52,440 --> 01:24:56,080
State rounding out the top 15. 
That would be how I think it 

1752
01:24:56,080 --> 01:25:00,200
will go. 
I, I don't know what your, what 

1753
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:04,240
possible justification you could
have at this point to rank Iowa 

1754
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:08,240
State or Clemson ahead of 
Indiana given the results that 

1755
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:09,640
occurred over the course of the 
weekend. 

1756
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,840
I don't know how you would rank 
Texas A&M ahead of Indiana. 

1757
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:13,920
You know, based upon what 
happened this weekend. 

1758
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:15,720
They're already ranked ahead of 
Alabama. 

1759
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,120
They're already ranked ahead of 
Boise State. 

1760
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,000
Nothing that happened this 
weekend should change that. 

1761
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:23,040
I could see them doing something
stupid like putting Ole Miss in 

1762
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,680
the top ten, right? 
But I really think Indiana's 

1763
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:29,840
gonna be in that 910 range. 
Brett Mcmurphy's poll, the Rider

1764
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,680
from the Action Network had them
at 7th. 

1765
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,160
I, I think you know the question
for Indiana. 

1766
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:38,760
Indiana has had pollsters voting
them 456, but they've also got 

1767
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,800
people voting them 1718. 
At some point those people are 

1768
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,200
gonna have to like turn on a 
television and watch football. 

1769
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,280
Maybe they'll see the error of 
their ways, but. 

1770
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,440
Just look at the records like 
all right, Clemson six and two, 

1771
01:25:50,440 --> 01:25:52,720
like at some point. 
You know, and, and again, it's 

1772
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,840
like there's so much moving of 
the goal posts among the 

1773
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:56,040
pollsters. 
And this is where I'm really 

1774
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:01,080
interested in what the the CFP 
committee does 'cause as Tanner 

1775
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,800
points out in the comments, 
people keep talking about how 

1776
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,400
weak Indiana's schedule is. 
But they didn't lose to Northern

1777
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,800
Illinois at home. 
They didn't lose to Kentucky, 

1778
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,880
they didn't lose to Arkansas. 
They didn't lose to Vanderbilt. 

1779
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:12,960
You know, they, they haven't 
been like Miami where they 

1780
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,120
needed the officials to gift 
them two games in order to 

1781
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:21,520
maintain an undefeated status. 
So that is where ultimately, you

1782
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:23,760
know, I'm really curious to see 
what the CFP does. 

1783
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,760
We know that the AP poll, the, 
the voters there, some of them 

1784
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,240
are undaunted, some of them are 
very daunted. 

1785
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,800
We just need to get the ones 
that are daunted to be slightly 

1786
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,760
less daunted as we move forward 
here. 

1787
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,960
Because while the polls are BS, 
as Bull points out in the, in 

1788
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:43,240
the, in the comments, they're 
not totally BS because the polls

1789
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:46,120
indicate public perception. 
And at the end of the day, the, 

1790
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,960
the committee is not a room of 
computers. 

1791
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,080
It's the committee is a room of 
people. 

1792
01:26:51,480 --> 01:26:54,080
Don't you have the AP list 
somewhere on their desk? 

1793
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,160
Correct. 
So that is going to be the big 

1794
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,720
question mark. 
And while the pole is 

1795
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:03,920
functionally useless, it is 
useful in terms of the framing 

1796
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,720
of how teams exist within 
people's minds and those and 

1797
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,680
people matter in this equation. 
And and, you know, that's just 

1798
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,600
something that I think we need 
to keep in mind as IU. 

1799
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,840
Fans, I also think, you know, 
one of the things we should 

1800
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,840
really be shooting for is it 
would be great to host one of 

1801
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,240
those first College Playoff 
games in Memorial Stadium. 

1802
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,920
It's again, this is wild. 
I think us getting a bye, we're 

1803
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,440
back into fever dream territory.
But I mean you you beat Ohio 

1804
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:29,160
State, you're now in bi 
territory. 

1805
01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:31,160
Now all you got to do is win the
Big 10 title. 

1806
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,680
But I do think 11 and one, you 
know, with tie breaks being out 

1807
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,880
of the big 10 title game, I 
think that's a that's enough to 

1808
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:42,040
get you a home game in the first
round of the College Football 

1809
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:45,480
Playoff, which is which is wild.
And we were we were discussing 

1810
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:47,760
at one of the tailgates last 
week. 

1811
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,120
You know, if you have that, 
it'll be middle of December. 

1812
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,360
Obviously you play it immemorial
state. 

1813
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,360
But the idea just kind of, you 
know, thinking up like, is there

1814
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:57,360
anywhere world where, you know, 
you move it to Lucas Oil just 

1815
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,000
for the the the weather 
conditions and just trying to do

1816
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,160
it. 
And it's just like, I don't even

1817
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:03,680
know the rules of this. 
Like does it have to be at the 

1818
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:05,920
home site? 
Like I I had not thought to 

1819
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,480
learn the rules of the College 
Football Playoff and how things 

1820
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:11,240
are going to happen and, and now
we are there. 

1821
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:15,240
But as you said, it all comes 
down to beating Michigan because

1822
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,240
I don't think Michigan is any 
better than Nebraska or 

1823
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:22,920
Washington, but they are a name 
brand and that will hold a lot 

1824
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,600
of weight. 
And I think we beat Michigan the

1825
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,200
same way we beat Michigan State 
or Nebraska. 

1826
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:33,520
We'll see a huge jump in the 
rankings probably that's been 

1827
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,480
deserved for four or five weeks.
But people will just see that. 

1828
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:38,320
And some people who aren't 
watching the games, you know, it

1829
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:40,960
was funny last night, went over 
to some other friends house to 

1830
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,520
just have some drinks. 
We're staying up late. 

1831
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,720
One of the TV's just had Sports 
Center on and no highlights of 

1832
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:47,880
the Indiana, Michigan State 
game. 

1833
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,880
It's all the South Carolina 
game, it's all the Ohio State, 

1834
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,560
Penn State game. 
You know, you, you still have to

1835
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,760
kind of seek out Indiana if you 
want to see them play. 

1836
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,880
And unfortunately a lot of the 
games are just such ass 

1837
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,320
kickings. 
I'm, I'm sure a lot of people 

1838
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:01,760
got no, no point in turning it 
on. 

1839
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,920
This is a game I think people 
will watch and I think a lot of 

1840
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,440
the AP voters will watch and 
look at this score. 

1841
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:10,400
And so this one really does 
stand among but. 

1842
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:12,680
I got it, Scott. 
I got to give you credit. 

1843
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,200
You've managed to do 2 things in
the last few weeks of the 

1844
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:19,120
podcast that have infuriated 
some of the fans listening. 

1845
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:22,440
One of them is your the 
suggestions that Indiana move 

1846
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:24,520
the playoff game out of 
Bloomington. 

1847
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,280
I'm not saying we do it, just it
was it was an idea for weather. 

1848
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,040
No, they're not. 
That idea is off the table. 

1849
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,880
In fact, I'm gonna, I'm gonna 
burn the table and throw it out 

1850
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:37,640
the window. 
That's how off the table it is. 

1851
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,400
The other one. 
And I and I, I wanted to mention

1852
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:42,840
this 'cause I got several people
in the DMS yesterday, including 

1853
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:46,680
Lauren Powell, who said tell 
Scott I'm coming for him after 

1854
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,720
his let's get it out of the way 
comment about trailing at some 

1855
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,200
point this season. 
Well, I don't know the way. 

1856
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:54,840
I think I had seven or eight 
people at the game yesterday 

1857
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:57,200
bring up the fact that you they 
were like, well, Scott must be 

1858
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:01,960
happy now. 
I just wanted to say you're the,

1859
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,080
the it's, it's fun. 
I'm enjoying. 

1860
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:06,960
I'm enjoying the repartee that 
you're developing between 

1861
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,040
yourself and the fans on some of
these things. 

1862
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,640
We, we are all on the we're all 
not daunted. 

1863
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,480
I, I am not daunted with these 
comments. 

1864
01:30:13,480 --> 01:30:16,160
We are all all together not 
daunted. 

1865
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:20,520
I I will say every time I every.
Time you Every time you bring up

1866
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:22,920
the weather in December in 
Bloomington, I'm reminded of the

1867
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:26,160
end of my first semester 
freshman year when I'm driving 

1868
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:30,160
back home from from teeter and I
get in the car and it's I think 

1869
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:34,120
it's December 19th and it's 66° 
and sunny outside led the 

1870
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,400
windows down the whole way 
driving up you never know I will

1871
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,280
say though, I think we this 
defense and the way that this 

1872
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:45,000
this passing game plays with the
precision they do would would be

1873
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,800
amazing in any weather and I 
think that that there's a real 

1874
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,000
advantage you want to take 
advantage of this you really do 

1875
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,360
and I think the fans I was just.
It was literally just you can 

1876
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,480
look at all coins. 
If we are not keeping an open 

1877
01:30:56,480 --> 01:31:01,000
mind in this, in this election 
season, I'm talking keep an open

1878
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,880
mind all all things. 
Let's let's just let's come 

1879
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:06,520
together as a fan base. 
Let's not be divided. 

1880
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:10,040
I completely agree. 
Moving it would be insane. 

1881
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,840
They're not going to do it. 
They shouldn't do it. 

1882
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:16,400
But let's have discussions. 
I mean, by the way, it's stupid.

1883
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:20,000
The idea of us going 10, you 
know, 10 and O would have been a

1884
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:21,280
stupid discussion at the 
beginning. 

1885
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:22,560
We were doing our preview 
podcast. 

1886
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:24,440
I'm like GAIL and I really want 
to talk about how important the 

1887
01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:25,880
Michigan game is going to be. 
We're nine and O. 

1888
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:27,840
You'd be like, Scott, shut up. 
What are you talking? 

1889
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,360
It's amazing, I love it. 
Just a quick note, B town Uber 

1890
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:34,040
driver noting on Twitter that 
CBS is predicting Indiana will 

1891
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:37,840
be 7th in the poll. 
Again, they're right. 

1892
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:39,640
I just don't think they'll be 
correct. 

1893
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,880
We'll see what happens though. 
So all right, we got a lot 

1894
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,240
coming up this week. 
We will keep you folks posted. 

1895
01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:48,480
We'll, we're, we're going to 
have obviously our preview 

1896
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:52,000
podcast coming up probably late 
Thursday evening or Friday 

1897
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,400
morning. 
So keep an eye out for that. 

1898
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,440
We'll have some other shows. 
We'll have Bison Chat coming up 

1899
01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:57,640
Tuesday night. 
We'll have Crimson Cash coming 

1900
01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:59,080
up later. 
We'll try to sneak some 

1901
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,360
additional podcasts in 
throughout the course of the 

1902
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:03,000
week. 
Sorry, we didn't have more this 

1903
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,680
past week. 
It was pretty busy at work and 

1904
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:08,000
we do have day jobs that we have
to participate in. 

1905
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,080
So just want to keep everybody. 
We're going to do our best. 

1906
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:14,600
We're going to get the content 
out there and we will continue 

1907
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:16,000
to do so. 
We appreciate all you folks 

1908
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,080
sticking with us. 
Scott, any final thoughts from 

1909
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,200
you before we wrap up? 
No, I I mean. 

1910
01:32:20,440 --> 01:32:23,080
I'm excited to what, what is 
your tailgate plan? 

1911
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,120
What, what are we doing? 
Just give us the real quick. 

1912
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:29,360
So I've been, I think we're 
going with BBQ shakes this week.

1913
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:32,480
So you know, this is of course 
the, the solo cup with pulled 

1914
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:36,240
pork, Mac and cheese, coleslaw, 
little BBQ sauce drizzle. 

1915
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,280
You mix that up. 
It's, it's really delightful. 

1916
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:40,040
Might have a couple other things
at three. 

1917
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,120
I'm excited about the 330 'cause
I get to finally cook lunch. 

1918
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,600
I've been cooking a lot of 
breakfasts over the course of 

1919
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,440
the tailgate season so far this 
year. 

1920
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:49,560
I'm looking forward to cooking 
some lunch. 

1921
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,920
And if you want to stop by the 
tailgate folks, we're in lot 12.

1922
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:53,960
I'm sure you'll be able to find 
us. 

1923
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:58,040
Anyway, Scott, really appreciate
talking football with you. 

1924
01:32:58,040 --> 01:32:59,880
As always. 
It's been a joy and a pleasure. 

1925
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:03,120
And thanks to all you folks. 
Over 350 live viewers at various

1926
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:04,560
times throughout the course of 
this stream. 

1927
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,320
And of course, many of you who 
are listening afterwards 'cause 

1928
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,000
you couldn't catch us live on 
Sunday morning. 

1929
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,920
We appreciate you whenever you 
are listening to Crimson Cast. 

1930
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:16,920
And certainly please keep coming
up saying hi, taking pictures, 

1931
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:19,160
love meeting all you folks out 
there. 

1932
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,160
It was great to see so many of 
you up in East Lansing and we'll

1933
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:24,200
look forward to seeing you all 
down here this Saturday as 

1934
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:28,080
Indiana takes on Michigan, 
hopefully top 10 Indiana both in

1935
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,600
the AP poll and in the CFP poll,
hosting Michigan. 

1936
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:36,400
Huge game program, altering game
potentially for Indiana coming 

1937
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,360
up this weekend. 
And you need to show up, show 

1938
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:43,280
out, be loud, be excited, help 
this team get over the hump and 

1939
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,080
get to 10 and O. 
And that'll wrap it up for us 

1940
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:51,040
again, for Scott, for the entire
back home network crew, for our 

1941
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:54,280
title sponsors at home Field 
apparel and of course, the folks

1942
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,920
over at Upland. 
I'm Galen Clavio saying thanks 

1943
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,920
for joining us here on the show.
Indiana 9 and O, they host 

1944
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:02,160
Michigan this upcoming weekend. 
We'll see you all out there. 

1945
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,240
We'll catch you folks. 
On the flip side, bring back the

1946
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:07,240
Bison. 
Stay never daunted. 

1947
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:13,840
So long everybody. 
Bye folks. 

1948
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:15,520
Thanks for joining us today. 
It was really great. 

1949
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:16,080
Bye, guys.