1 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,920 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:21,080 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson. 3 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:25,480 Cast Alan Clavier joining you. Happy Sunday, May 4th. 2025 4 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,960 dreary day here in. Bloomington this morning, but. 5 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,960 Always a good day to. Podcast and I appreciate you 6 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,400 folks tuning. In going solo. 7 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,640 On this one, not a. Terribly long. 8 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,960 Podcast today, so maybe. Good for a short dog walk or 9 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,160 whatever you do with short podcast. 10 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:48,200 But Part 2 of the mailbag we did a longer. 11 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,480 Mailbag myself and. Scott, couple of days ago. 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,400 So if you haven't had a chance to go back and watch or listen 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,000 to that, I'm going to tackle some more questions, including a 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,240 couple of new things that have. Come up since. 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,480 The last time that we. Podcasted so. 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,959 Going to dive into. That, and we'll have more. 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,360 Podcasts coming up here, relatively. 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,000 Soon, we're going to wait. On doing a football recruiting 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,960 wrap. With Taylor Layman until 20 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:15,040 probably. The middle. 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,080 Of not this upcoming week, but the week after. 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,880 Wanted to wait until more portal dust cleared but a lot of. 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,120 Good things going on for IU, including one edition in the 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,040 portal that I'm going to talk about at some point during this 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,080 podcast, but we're going to do. The full view, especially on the 26 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,280 recruiting front. Probably around May 14th or 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,640 15th, so don't get impatient, we will be working on that. 28 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,120 Quick reminder folks were brought to you by Home Field 29 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,880 Apparel, your place to go. Over the finest in college 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,640 fashions. The softest fabric, the coolest. 31 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,200 Designs. I'm wearing of course. 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,640 Maybe. 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We appreciate the support again, 70 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,120 Crimson. Cast.substack.com. 71 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,640 All right, let's dive in. As we've got several updates. 72 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,480 Some. IU related, some Bloomington 73 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:51,480 related, and some that are happening out in the society 74 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,200 around us. First of all, a. 75 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,000 News item from last night that was really encouraging. 76 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:03,640 IU plugging a hole that had been generated during the spring 77 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,000 practice period as. Of course IU loses 1 receiver. 78 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,400 To injury and they add. Another. 79 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,800 One and this one is. One that Fernando Mendoza, the. 80 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,960 Quarterback for IU for this. Upcoming year knows. 81 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,000 Very well. His former target at Cal, 82 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,560 Jonathan Brady, commits to Indiana. 83 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,760 Brady 97 receptions and 11 touchdowns through the. 84 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,120 Three years he was at Cal, he was 1/3 leading receiver for 85 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,520 Cal. Last year had 36 catches through 86 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:35,360 13 games, 386 yards, 3 touchdowns and a nice pick up 87 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,520 for Indiana. You know, not a probably not 88 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,600 your number. One target, but. 89 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,080 Certainly a guy that's got FBS experience and power conference 90 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,280 experience and you know. 3rd leading receiver. 91 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,680 On the team in the ACC last. Year. 92 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,800 That's nothing to sneeze. At so another weapon for 93 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,600 Fernando Mendoza to throw to and kind of flushes out that 94 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,800 receiving core a little bit more, which I know a lot of 95 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,000 people had some questions about. We had seen from Taylor Lehman 96 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,080 on Bite Sized Bison about some of the options that they might 97 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,360 be going to in terms of trying to. 98 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,160 Fill a hole here or there, but this looks like they've. 99 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,440 Done that and that's that's certainly exciting to see I'm 100 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,800 looking forward to seeing who else if anybody IU decides to 101 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,560 pull in in the portal but. IU still obviously very active. 102 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,080 In between that and what we're seeing on the recruiting front. 103 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,160 It's been a really good. Spring. 104 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,400 So far for IU football, so we'll see what else. 105 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,560 Kurt Zignetti and the guys have cooking, but that one was a good 106 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,680 one to see. And you know, we got the 107 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:37,960 customary. It's a great day. 108 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,520 To be a Hoosier tweets. Coming out earlier in the. 109 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,680 Day about. That so it was nice to have a. 110 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,880 Little bit of advanced warning. On X about what was going on. 111 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,920 So good stuff from IU and looking forward to seeing what 112 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,360 ends up happening with the. Rest of the roster, as you know. 113 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,960 Obviously spring balls tapered. Off we got a long summer 114 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,960 awaiting the start of the football season. 115 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,560 We'll see what Indiana is able to do and. 116 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,640 We'll talk more about that. Again, in about a week and a 117 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:12,960 half, we had some questions just kind of in general about some of 118 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,520 the the various aspects going on outside in the world of college 119 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,840 sports and I did want to tackle. Those a little bit. 120 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,680 And then jump back in and talk some IU stuff because I, I keep 121 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,160 getting questions about what's going on with the, the house 122 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,200 settlement with nil, with all of these things. 123 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,160 We had a question. From Hoosier Gal in Iowa, can 124 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,040 you give an update on the latest happenings with revenue sharing 125 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,520 and potential implications? We had a couple. 126 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,400 Of other questions from folks. Who's your? 127 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,760 Dada asking what are the implications of Kentucky 128 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,120 spinning off their athletics program into an LLC? 129 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:51,280 Wouldn't they lose massive tax incentives we've got? 130 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:54,360 Several of those. Sorts of questions and you know, 131 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,400 it's almost impossible to. Answer all of them. 132 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,800 Right now in terms of. How everything's going to 133 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,600 ultimately play out. Because there's just a ton of. 134 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,480 Uncertainty going on in terms of the college model and how it's 135 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,400 going to eventually take form and and if that form actually 136 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:12,880 ends up being able to stay in one. 137 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,040 Place or if the courts. End up being a consistent issue, 138 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,240 but let me try to reset what's going on over the course of the 139 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,520 last month and then also talk about. 140 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,400 Where we're. At in terms of the. 141 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,920 Overall setup with college athletics. 142 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,400 And and how things might play out moving. 143 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:34,920 Forward SO you know, I, I said back in March. 144 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,080 That I was. Going to do a a podcast series 145 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,960 about nil and about revenue sharing and about this new model 146 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,320 and I'm still planning on doing that but things keep getting 147 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,160 added to the mix that kind of make everybody scratch their 148 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,480 heads and it's. Hard to keep track of. 149 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,080 What's going on So. You've got the. 150 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,320 Situation with the house settlement where Claudia. 151 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,760 Wilkin, Who's the? Judge in that case. 152 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,240 Essentially looked at the. Settlement and And for those who 153 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,400 don't know or or aren't familiar with the terms, the settlement 154 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,600 essentially did a few really important things. 155 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,200 First thing that it. Did was it said? 156 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:14,680 We're going to pay, you know, athletes that were in the NCAA 157 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:20,520 from like 2015 until 2021 essentially back pay in in a 158 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:27,280 repair for the lack of NIL money that they experienced during 159 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,800 that time period and then for athletes. 160 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,720 Moving. Forward the idea. 161 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,720 Was all right, we're going to establish a fund of or a fund, 162 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,360 but like a budget carve out of up to $21 million, the colleges 163 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,080 and universities and their athletic departments would pay 164 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:49,400 athletes directly and then that could be supplemented by outside 165 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,160 NIL. Payments, but all of those would 166 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,600 have to go through a. Clearing House of sorts. 167 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:59,120 To evaluate the deals to make. Sure that they were in concert 168 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,640 with fair market value, whatever that means in this case. 169 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:08,520 And it also essentially allowed the NCAA to create roster limits 170 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,960 on sports. So instead of having walk ONS. 171 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,560 You could have a larger number of scholarships. 172 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:16,920 But you'd have to give. Full scholarships and the 173 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,040 numbers. Would go up to a. 174 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,520 Certain level, but it meant that a large number of. 175 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,120 Athletes. Would not be allowed to 176 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,760 continue. As college athletes, they would 177 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,000 have to. Be roster cuts based upon these 178 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,240 new numbers I'm I'm. Purposely. 179 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,760 Kind of. Trying to keep this as simple as 180 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,440 possible. Well, a lot of those. 181 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,480 Athletes and their representatives, essentially. 182 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,400 Protested the. Settlement saying well, no, 183 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,920 that's that's not fair and that's not right and the. 184 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,560 Judge essentially agreed like she. 185 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:44,760 Asked the NCAA and its. Member institutions like please 186 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,200 do. Something about this have some 187 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,000 kind of a tapering in place. So that you don't. 188 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,880 Just have a bunch of athletes who are no longer. 189 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,480 Eligible to to play simply because you've. 190 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,760 Arbitrarily sat down that XY and Z has to happen by this date and 191 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,360 the NCAA and its member institutions, as they are, want 192 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,240 to do, said Nah. We're good. 193 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:03,560 We've already decided this is the. 194 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:05,520 Best way to do things and we're not going to listen to you. 195 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,640 So the judge said. I'm not approving the settlement 196 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:09,760 and I'm going to give you some time. 197 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:10,840 To try to figure this. Out. 198 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,080 And if you don't, I might not approve the settlement at all. 199 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,640 And so that's where we're at. Now it does feel like the 200 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,440 colleges and universities might finally take. 201 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,440 This judge's advice and. Do what she's asking. 202 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,120 You know this. Is this is not too different 203 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,960 from how we got? To our NIL situation in the 1st. 204 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,600 Place the NCAA. And its member institutions 205 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:35,920 have. Just. 206 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,280 Never gotten their heads wrapped around the idea that they can't 207 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:40,240 simply. Dictate. 208 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,600 Terms here, I mean they're. Very used to dictating. 209 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,360 Terms the NC. AA essentially for it's almost. 210 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:49,920 What I'm going to say, it's entire. 211 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,560 History, but certainly since the NCAA decided. 212 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,440 Back in the 40s that it was going to become the police of 213 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,680 college sports. They have gotten very used to 214 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:01,680 saying these are the rules and you must abide. 215 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:02,920 By these. Rules, and it's our. 216 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:07,280 Way or the highway? And so that you know when you go 217 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,800 back. And you look at the way the NCAA 218 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,240 has managed. Itself over the years. 219 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,880 That's been their approach. With almost everything and it's, 220 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,240 it's kind of funny because. The NCAA. 221 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,840 From an enforcement perspective. Has always just tried to 222 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:28,160 leverage its own schools. Like shame in policing these. 223 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,360 Rules that it has come up with. And. 224 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,480 Everybody would always fall in. Line and then what's? 225 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,120 Happened over the last. 15 to 20. 226 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,720 Years is that gradually we've. Seen Schools? 227 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,920 Not fall in line. Which has led to the courts 228 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,440 suddenly taking a closer. Look and saying these rules 229 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,120 don't make any sense. You know, and you, you look at a 230 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,200 lot of the big rules. Violations that. 231 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,640 That took place over. The course of the last 10-15 232 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:53,760 years probably the most egregious. 233 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,040 Being North. Carolina with their academic 234 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,600 fraud scandal, but. There there have been other 235 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,600 examples of this as well where, you know, schools have. 236 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:08,680 Essentially decided that they're not going to follow along with 237 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:11,480 what the NCAA says and they're going to. 238 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,120 Throw up a lot of barriers. In court to try to protect 239 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,800 themselves from being policed. From the rules that they 240 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,520 themselves have abided by for a while, we we've talked about. 241 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,160 This on the show before. But this? 242 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,360 Is a little bit different. Because what you're talking 243 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,560 about. Here wraps a whole. 244 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:28,040 Bunch of different things into one. 245 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:29,480 So you're talking about, not just. 246 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,560 Athlete. Pay, but you're also talking 247 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:34,720 about athlete eligibility and. That has been a big. 248 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,000 Thing that has grown in importance within the confines 249 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,200 of college. Athletics over the course of the 250 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,920 last couple of years as athletes have started to sue to get extra 251 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,040 years of. Eligibility because they know. 252 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,440 That if they are able to play high level. 253 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,360 Division One sports, especially basketball and football. 254 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,400 They have access to. Getting paid a much. 255 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,840 Higher amount of money than they would get in many cases by. 256 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,400 Trying to go and play. Professionally, somewhere and. 257 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,600 So what you've got? Going on, right? 258 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,760 Now is a bunch of different threads being pulled on 259 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,960 simultaneously that. Essentially affect the entire 260 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,480 NCAA model, not just, you know, should athletes get paid. 261 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,440 Or should athletes be considered? 262 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,600 Employees but what is eligibility You know we've all 263 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:26,160 we got used to this idea that well eligibility you get 4 years 264 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:32,760 of college eligibility you get 5 years to play those four that 265 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,440 was always how. It was and then it changed to. 266 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,400 Well, you get those five years to play 4 but. 267 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,720 If you're a grad student, you can. 268 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,960 Transfer and go play somewhere. Else, as long as they have a 269 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,120 graduate program. That you can go enroll in that 270 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,560 you don't have at your current institution then COVID. 271 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:51,280 Happened and it was. Like, Oh well, you get. 272 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,400 Everybody gets an extra year, so now you've got some guys playing 273 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,000 5. Years of basketball, Girls too, 274 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,280 Or football. Some people playing, you know. 275 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,040 Be able to stretch. That out, you've got injury. 276 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,000 Exceptions. You got all these? 277 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,800 Things you've got junior college players coming into the NCAA. 278 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,120 Saying, well, wait a minute. Why do the two years in junior 279 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,000 college count? Why can't I get extra? 280 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,680 Years. According to displaying at the. 281 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:18,760 NCAA level, why is that being regulated? 282 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,320 So that's being challenged in court. 283 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,600 So all of these things. Are kind of wrapped around the 284 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,520 same core set of issues and essentially where we're at right 285 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,320 now is this combination of of three. 286 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,680 Different threads. I would say 3 main threads 287 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,880 coming together. Simultaneously a. 288 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,640 You've got. An NCAA that. 289 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,000 Can't. Really effectively define or 290 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,840 defend. Its own structure from a payment 291 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,360 and. Eligibility system eligibility. 292 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,240 They probably have a better. Argument on in as much as. 293 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,640 There should be some. Standardized rules the problem. 294 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,800 Is they've given so many exceptions it's hard to defend. 295 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,000 Those rules in court. Compensation's a much harder 296 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,120 one, and this is. Where I think most people. 297 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,480 Still. Don't have their brains wrapped 298 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,160 around what's happened with the NCAA and not even like. 299 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,080 Our political leaders. So yesterday there was a 300 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:14,680 article. That came out, I think it might 301 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,960 have been 2 days ago, depending on when you're listening to this 302 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,560 about, you know, Donald Trump going to the University of 303 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,520 Alabama and then Nick Saban. And him having a meeting. 304 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,480 And. Essentially, I guess Tommy 305 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,880 Tuberville was in this mix as well. 306 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,280 The senator from Alabama, the former head coach at Auburn and 307 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,200 Texas Tech and Cincinnati. But you know, there's this story 308 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:40,480 and Sportico has a a. Some coverage of it today saying 309 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,120 that, you know, President. Donald Trump is. 310 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,080 Reportedly weighing issuing an executive. 311 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,920 Order that would attempt to place. 312 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:52,080 Restrictions on college athlete compensation and you know. 313 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,680 Essentially, the idea here is that this executive order would 314 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,120 theoretically provide stable and predictable rules. 315 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,520 For compensating college athletes. 316 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,120 So I guess the idea here and this has been. 317 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,920 Applauded in certain circles is like, oh. 318 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,720 An executive order saying that. College. 319 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,680 Athletes can't be recognized as. Employees, which seems to be the 320 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,280 one thing that the the NCAA is. Is the most. 321 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,880 Desperate to preserve this. Idea that athletes are not. 322 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,840 Employees, but the problem is. That. 323 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,000 The executive orders don't really have a lot of 324 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,640 enforceable. Weight when it comes to these 325 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,960 kinds of things, and you know it was. 326 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,360 It was a good. Article by Michael McCann the. 327 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,160 Lawyer that writes for Sportico about this. 328 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,920 I'm going to kind. Of paraphrase a couple of. 329 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,960 Items in this section that I think are. 330 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,600 Worth keeping in mind if you're listening to this and try to. 331 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,000 Figure out what's going on. For. 332 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,840 Starters an executive or I'm quoting the. 333 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,480 Piece here if for starters. An executive order can't. 334 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,840 Conflict with a federal statute if a court finds that college 335 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,440 athletes are employees. Within the. 336 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,920 Meaning of the National Labor Relations Act or the Fair Labor 337 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,240 Standards. Act they will be employees. 338 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,599 If a court finds they aren't employees, then they aren't 339 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:08,079 employees. There's also state laws that 340 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,839 supersede federal laws in certain. 341 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,560 States or certain ways, not certain states. 342 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:17,480 And this is where the legal elements get. 343 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:22,200 Get kind of complicated, but. You know, essentially there are 344 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,680 legal arguments that are working their way through the courts or 345 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,520 or already have that. When you look at the. 346 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,360 Way like you know again. Quoting here the new. 347 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:32,440 York labor law, The North. Carolina Wage and Hour Act The 348 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,680 Arizona. Minimum Wage Act define 349 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,120 employment. That they are. 350 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:38,280 Employees by those basic definitions. 351 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,360 You've also even got this whole idea of. 352 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:43,840 Restricting athlete compensation, which within the 353 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,040 college game I think is an important thing to keep in mind 354 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,800 because what you're seeing right now. 355 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,920 Is essentially an unregulated marketplace. 356 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,200 So when you're shocked that. You know a. 357 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,240 A a shooting guard. From the Sunbelt might get 358 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,640 1,000,000 1/2 or $2,000,000 a year. 359 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:08,160 In an NIL deal or you know, the BYU signed, I think Baylor's 360 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,240 point guard for. $3,000,000 a year like these are ridiculous 361 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:12,920 numbers. They're ridiculous. 362 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,360 Numbers when you compare. Them to what? 363 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,160 NBA rookies would be making under the same like the same 364 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,680 age. Basketball player, you know, 365 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,080 you're, you're limited quite a bit. 366 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,640 To what? You can make even as a high 367 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,560 draft. Pick until you get to. 368 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,120 The end of that rookie. Contract which is normally 4. 369 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:34,480 Years what you see. Right now is what happens when 370 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,800 there's a completely unregulated. 371 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,000 Marketplace a high. Demand for particular levels of. 372 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,160 Talent and schools and universities that. 373 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,800 Have the money right now and are. 374 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,080 Willing to pay it because that's. 375 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,080 What they have to do in order to maintain some level of 376 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,520 competition. With the teams that they're in 377 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,840 competition with. Nil is not a federal thing. 378 00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:58,120 Nil, like the federal government has. 379 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:00,960 Nothing to. Do with nil per SE. 380 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,880 You know, I've talked a lot about how the floodgates. 381 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,600 Opened for nil back in. The summer of 2021. 382 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:09,880 But that was not. Some. 383 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,240 Kind of a ruling by the Supreme Court that said. 384 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,920 Hey everybody. Now you can do nil. 385 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,960 What it basically said that? Supreme Court ruling was the 386 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,200 NCAA. What you've been arguing about 387 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,000 how you can control athlete compensation doesn't. 388 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,000 Exist. It's not legally valid and this 389 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,520 is where. I think the NCAA keeps. 390 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,440 Hitting its head against the. Ceiling on all of these. 391 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,200 Rulings. Is that the NCAA? 392 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,800 From about the. You know the early. 1950s until 393 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,120 the present. Was kind of left alone. 394 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,640 To define this fantasy world where. 395 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,040 In. It was able to dictate the 396 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,680 terms. Of compensation for an entire 397 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,880 classification of people that were in turn, in many cases 398 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,920 making these colleges and universities a significant 399 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,200 amount of money, making coaches a significant amount of money. 400 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,800 But it was all essentially controlled under the guise of. 401 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,760 This thing called amateurism, which doesn't. 402 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,320 Exist as a labor statute. It's not something that actually 403 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,120 exists within the marketplace and. 404 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,280 The. Courts, when they finally looked 405 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,760 at it, when they finally had to look at. 406 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,480 The NC. Double as insistence that they. 407 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,520 Have total control over. How athletes could be 408 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,920 compensated even with like fringe? 409 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,080 Things within you know, like getting getting extra money for. 410 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,800 Food or stuff like that. That's really what the what the 411 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:28,720 Alston. Case was. 412 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,600 About that led to this, the court said this. 413 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,320 Is not something that you can enforce. 414 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,640 This, you know, you're essentially. 415 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:39,400 Your labor market is not so special and your business is not 416 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,480 so special. That it can supersede 417 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:43,840 employment. Laws. 418 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,600 That exist within the United. States you can't just tell 419 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,600 somebody they can't be paid. By an outside. 420 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,080 Party, you don't have any standing to do that and so 421 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:52,720 that's. Why? 422 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,840 What? We've seen over the. 423 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,600 Course of the last. Four years has been essentially. 424 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,200 The NCAA trying to get Congress to step. 425 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,800 In and say oh. Actually, they have a special 426 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,560 exemption where they can do whatever. 427 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,920 They want. And you know, that's that. 428 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,480 You know, the NCAA made a lot of. 429 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,280 Arguments during this whole process. 430 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,280 With this not just this case. But most of the other cases 431 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,320 saying that. Well, you know if college 432 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,520 athletics is professionalized and people. 433 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,280 And if the athletes are paid, then nobody will watch the 434 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,880 Games. It'll destroy our business 435 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,000 model. That's been proven not true. 436 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,440 As we've. Seen nil money go? 437 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,480 Up and up and yes. Certainly you've got people. 438 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,800 Who are upset with? The amount of money that's being 439 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,720 paid to athletes and some people who are like, well. 440 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,640 The game isn't the same for me, and yet you've got just as many 441 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,680 people. Who are watching and enjoying? 442 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,920 College sports attendance has not. 443 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,760 Dropped TV ratings have. Gone up. 444 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,040 And, you know, college. Sports continues to thrive, 445 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,120 essentially. But you've got the NCAA 446 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:55,760 consistently pushing against these ideas of not just. 447 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,480 Athlete employment, but also the. 448 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,560 General concept of player compensation, so this. 449 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,640 Idea of like an executive. Order fixing all of. 450 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,960 This sounds. Like. 451 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:09,760 Not a whole lot different. I think to the average person 452 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,360 than. Oh well, we'll get a, you know, 453 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:13,760 an. Exemption from Congress, we'll 454 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,240 get some kind of an antitrust exemption and and that'll solve 455 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,640 everything. You know an. 456 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,040 Antitrust exemption from Congress. 457 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,360 Would solve things because. That's where the power. 458 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,800 Can lie, but that's not what we're. 459 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,560 Talking about with an executive. Order which can't supersede 460 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,200 state laws, Nil. And this is where I think a lot. 461 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,880 Of people get confused. Nil is not a federal. 462 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,640 Statute. It's the right of publicity. 463 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,040 Right of publicity is not a federal thing. 464 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,800 It's a state by state. Thing and. 465 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,440 Right of publicity essentially says that you know people have 466 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,200 the. Ability to make money off of who 467 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,040 they. Are and what their image? 468 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,560 Is and that's not something that a federal court can come in 469 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:55,520 unless. You wanted to try to. 470 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,040 Pass a nationwide. Right of publicity law which. 471 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,120 Is not on the cards within this and so. 472 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,840 The NCAA again. Finds itself in this situation 473 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,360 with its member schools. Where it is, it is already. 474 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:10,760 Said that it wants to go to this. 475 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,600 System where it's. Paying athletes directly and 476 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,360 that is a step in the right direction just in terms of 477 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:19,400 fairness and equity and and reality. 478 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,640 But they're also trying to tell everybody. 479 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,840 We're not. We don't want anybody outside to 480 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,840 pay athletes. Because we want to be the ones. 481 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,000 Controlling things, which is essentially just a different 482 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,040 version. Of what we were. 483 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,240 Talking about in earlier eras and the problem is like there's, 484 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,480 there's not. Really a good. 485 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,520 Way to meter this out. Unless all of the. 486 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,440 Colleges and universities get. Together and essentially say 487 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,000 we're going to form a. League A a closed system like 488 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,840 the NBA, like the. NHL like Major League Baseball 489 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:51,720 and we're. Going to collectively bargain 490 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,680 with a group of people. In this case, athletes Bubba. 491 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,880 Cunningham, the North Carolina athletic director, had some 492 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,640 piece yesterday or some interview yesterday. 493 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,200 Where? He's like, you know, well. 494 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,320 I I. Favor a collective bargaining 495 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,480 model. But you know. 496 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,000 But I still don't think. Athletes should be employees. 497 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,400 And and this is where I. Think it's just like the message 498 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,520 is not getting. Across to college athletics 499 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,440 leaders, who are you collectively? 500 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,520 Bargaining with if they aren't. Employees would be the question 501 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,480 that you asked there. Like to to have. 502 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,880 A collective bargaining situation. 503 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,640 You have to have two parties. You have to have. 504 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,320 A labor union, which. Is made-up of employees and you 505 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,360 have to have. A trade group. 506 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:32,760 Essentially made-up of teams or colleges and universities in 507 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,520 this case. These. 508 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,480 All these things kind of fall into. 509 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,800 You know. It's a very confusing set of 510 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,240 circumstances that probably doesn't have a simple answer the 511 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,520 question about Kentucky moving. To an LLC model and whether 512 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,040 there would be. You know, negative tax 513 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,080 implications. You know, I think it's. 514 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,320 To some degree, it's an open question whether that ends up 515 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,640 being the model. I think it probably is, in as 516 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,400 much as if colleges and universities don't want to make 517 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,080 athletes. Direct employees, but instead. 518 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,960 You don't want to find a different. 519 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,560 Pathway. The pathway. 520 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,160 Might be to make Employee make them employees of an external 521 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,240 entity that is somehow connected to the university in terms of 522 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,920 licensing. The Marks and logos and. 523 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,800 Branding and using the arenas without necessarily having to be 524 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,680 a direct employee of the university. 525 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,720 I still don't entirely understand what the opposition 526 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,920 is to athletes being. Employees in as much as there 527 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,760 are. Thousands of student employees 528 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,440 on college campuses all across the country, including here at 529 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,280 Indiana University. You know I. 530 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,840 Employ several students. In part time jobs and they fill 531 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,760 in a time card and and they get paid and they get taxed on that 532 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,040 money. I mean, this is this is not a 533 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,880 new concept. Like all of this exists. 534 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,240 Within the college environment already. 535 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,520 So I do find the the the complete and utter resistance to 536 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,680 the employment model to be kind of bizarre at this stage and 537 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,640 for. Those who are like, well, this 538 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,720 isn't what college athletics is all about my. 539 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,160 Argument on that front is essentially that's an accident 540 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,880 of the court system. Not a reality. 541 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,560 Of the actual labor or job. Model that you've got in. 542 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,800 Place here where? You know by any definition. 543 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,760 You're, you know, yes. You can still go to school. 544 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,560 And you can be an employee at the same time like these things. 545 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,880 Do not have to be mutually. Exclusive. 546 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,240 It's just that employment triggers a bunch of. 547 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,560 Protections that aren't currently. 548 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,240 Provided to athletes. Which would be more complicated, 549 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,240 but it's something that's done in a variety of different areas 550 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,160 across the country and across. The world. 551 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,960 It's just that the NCAA and its. Schools have gotten very used. 552 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,400 To being able to. Dictate all of the. 553 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,360 Terms with these sorts of things, and that may ultimately 554 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:50,400 be at the. Heart of why they're so opposed 555 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,840 to the whole idea. Of an employment model is that 556 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,760 that would not be the case anymore it. 557 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,680 Would also be too expensive. For some schools to really 558 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,800 actively participate in or be competitive in. 559 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,640 But again, I think the. Flip side of that. 560 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,280 Argument is. That level of competitive. 561 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,400 Interaction or competitive balance? 562 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,640 Has been artificially created over. 563 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,200 Time by a. Business model that does not 564 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,440 exist in. Actual reality. 565 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,840 But just in the fantasyland that the NCAA was able to conjure. 566 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,880 Up over the course of the last. 75 years. 567 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,840 So a lot of stuff. To to happen here so you know if 568 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,600 you hear about an executive order fixing. 569 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,040 College sports, It's probably. Not going to fix college sports. 570 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,440 It'll be symbolic. But the chances of Congress, who 571 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,560 has the actual. Power, in this case, actually 572 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,400 getting together and fixing something related to the college 573 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,240 model. Or the courts. 574 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,320 Saying, hey, let's go. Back to the way it was. 575 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,840 That's probably not happening, so that's probably not. 576 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,440 Going to clear that much up for those of you out. 577 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,120 There who are wondering what's going on? 578 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,280 But there's a reason. Why? 579 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,600 And that is it's. Still very. 580 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,280 Confusing, and it's confusing even. 581 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,960 For those of us that have really watched. 582 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,040 All of these different cases. And all of these, these 583 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:09,080 different elements play out over the course of the last four or 584 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,400 five years. So I think, you know, we'll see 585 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,040 what. Happens I. 586 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,720 Do think ultimately the NCAA is going to have to cave on the. 587 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,080 The house you know items related to. 588 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,240 Roster limits and and the cuts that have happened and that's 589 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,040 going to create some problems. Because if they don't. 590 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,160 Do the settlement. They can now be sued. 591 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,600 In open court over. Lack of prior nil compensation, 592 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,200 which is. What the House case was about, 593 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,480 and it could literally. Bankrupt the entire NCAA 'cause 594 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,200 you'd be talking about damages potentially up to $10 billion. 595 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,520 The NCAA. Does not have 10 billion. 596 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,360 Dollars so we'll. Keep an eye on things and like I 597 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,560 said, once we get some clarity on the House settlement, I'm 598 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,800 going to go back in deep. Dive each of these areas. 599 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,880 Talk about how this started. How we got to, where we have 600 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,440 gotten to and and what it means as we try to move forward 601 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,640 through things. Let's go to some other questions 602 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,000 Robotic Hoosier asked. Are we going to see a college? 603 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,800 Basketball video game anytime soon. 604 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,280 It's actually kind of ties. Right into the nil thing. 605 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,200 I actually think we will. You know one one of the things 606 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,840 about the the last generation of college. 607 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,560 Basketball games. Which really was. 608 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,520 Sadly 15. Years ago, you had college. 609 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,120 Hoops which was by 2K. Sports. 610 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,640 My favorite of the entire. History of college basketball 611 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,120 video games college hoops 2K8 was the. 612 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,240 Last one that came out from that publishing house and then. 613 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,680 EA had a college basketball. Game that came out in 2009. 614 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,120 It was labeled 2010. Because the NCAA had switched to 615 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,440 a model. Where EA had exclusive rights to 616 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,120 basketball as well as football, but then they. 617 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,760 Stopped that game largely because it wasn't selling. 618 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,080 As well as they wanted. But then they. 619 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,520 Also of course. In 2013, and I know it was NCAA 620 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,440 14, but it came out in 13, the last iteration of the college 621 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,760 football game. They had to stop. 622 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,920 That. Because they were being sued for 623 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,400 using the names images. And likenesses of. 624 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,560 College basketball players without compensating them. 625 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,560 That's what the O'bannon case. Was about, if you remember that 626 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,040 now. Since then, obviously a lot's. 627 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,320 Happened. We finally had a college. 628 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,240 Football game. Come out last year it's. 629 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,680 A pretty good first effort. All things considered it, it 630 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,240 certainly had. Some problems but. 631 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,160 It became a relatively enjoyable game once you learn how the 632 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:31,480 systems work that game actually had. 633 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,760 EA paying players directly for. Their name, image and likeness 634 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,920 and their names were in the game. 635 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,320 That was cool to. See. 636 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,640 Because that was always. A reasonable outcome when it 637 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,480 came to this game and how it should be. 638 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,440 Just same way that it happens, you know, in it, Like in Madden, 639 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,760 for instance, there's a direct bargaining with the NFL Players 640 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,480 Association over name, image and likeness. 641 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,680 So it was nice to see the college game finally do The same 642 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,200 thing could happen 10 years ago. There's suddenly a bit of a 643 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,880 groundswell of interest in doing a college basketball game, 644 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,840 partially because it's been so long, but. 645 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,120 Also, you know there are. Elements of the college 646 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,600 basketball experience that I think actually translate pretty 647 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,440 well to the video game world. So I would anticipate that, yes, 648 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,760 we'll probably see something along those lines within the 649 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,400 next couple of years. I've heard some rumors. 650 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,880 Here or there I doubt. We'll see anything come out. 651 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,720 Like even if something got announced right now, we would 652 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:30,320 probably not see that get released until fall of 26 at the 653 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,240 earliest. So I wouldn't be shocked if we 654 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,520 heard an announcement over the summer that somebody was working 655 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,880 on that. I don't know if it would be. 656 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,040 I doubt it would be EA. I'm guessing it would probably. 657 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,000 Be 2K which would be great. You know, I, I think all things 658 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000 considered, since they've already got the model and the 659 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,400 engine in place with, with the NBA series. 660 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,600 So keeping my fingers crossed. I've always really enjoyed 661 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,800 college. Basketball games on video. 662 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,680 On the video game system, so we'll see what happens there, 663 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,960 but I. I do think it will. 664 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,560 Happen. It might be next year, it might 665 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,000 be two years from now. And I think some of it's going 666 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,120 to depend on ultimately what happens with some of the 667 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,760 settlements that are going on, because ultimately that's going 668 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,160 to dictate how many teams are in a college basketball game to 669 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,720 begin with, because college basketball itself might change 670 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,440 significantly over. The course of the next couple of 671 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,840 years. Let's see, let's talk a little 672 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,520 bit more. We had a bunch of questions 673 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,480 about what's going on with the restaurant scene in Bloomington. 674 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,200 Kurt Gutskill or. I hope I I. 675 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,160 Probably mispronounced that. I'm sorry, Kurt, and. 676 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,240 A couple of others. Asking some questions on that 677 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,040 front. So. 678 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,640 I can tell you all. Like. 679 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,080 Restaurant wise, not a whole. Lot of a real huge. 680 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,840 Change from the last update that I gave, obviously. 681 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,320 This past year we lost a couple. Of long time restaurants in 682 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,000 Bloomington, Cafe Pizzeria decided to go out of business 683 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,560 right at the start. Of last year, the Irish. 684 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:05,960 Lion going out of business as well so now you've got a kind of 685 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:13,040 a you know the same general mix of higher level dining and 686 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,880 you've got a couple of new entries into the bar and and 687 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,000 beer scene although. We've talked about a lot of 688 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,960 those. Up to this point, so, you know, 689 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,520 looking at, you know, kind of what's at the. 690 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,120 Core of the. Bloomington experience right now 691 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,160 you've obviously got Uptown Cafe, which which had a big. 692 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,040 Menu revamp over the course of of the last. 693 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,400 I think 6 to 8 months. They kind of went back. 694 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,360 To some of their more classic menu options, which meant some 695 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,640 of the items that people have gotten used to have gotten taken 696 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,000 off but but Uptown continues to be an incredibly good, 697 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,840 incredibly consistent experience. 698 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,120 The Elm has continued. If you haven't been to the Elm 699 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,640 yet, I recommend giving it a shot. 700 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,400 It is basically it's second. Let's. 701 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,320 Close to 2nd and Henderson. I think it's between like Second 702 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,440 and Henderson and 2nd and Fess down there in Elm Heights. 703 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,760 So a few. Blocks South of campus, it's in. 704 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,159 A building that's had several. Different lives now. 705 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,560 It used to be a. Like a a small grocery store 706 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,360 back for those of you who were in school in the in the. 80s, 707 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,080 nineties, early 2000s and then it got renovated. 708 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,719 Was supposed to be. I think actually Blooming Foods 709 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,239 was in there briefly. And then they weren't. 710 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,000 And then it was supposed. To be a restaurant. 711 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,960 And then it wasn't. Then it was. 712 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,679 Going to be a brewery. And then it wasn't and. 713 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,280 Now it is the. Elm and they've been there for I 714 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,960 think three years now, three or four years, and it's been a very 715 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,360 good experience every time I've gone. 716 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,560 We actually had our back home network reunion dinner. 717 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,120 Back. There in February when 718 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,320 everybody. Came into town for the. 719 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,960 Live podcast event. Looking around elsewhere in 720 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,360 town, obviously you've. You've had a few. 721 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,280 Other new things open, There's a Taco Bell cantina open on East 722 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,160 3rd Street over by Red Lobster. And you know. 723 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,280 Across 3rd St. from Eastland Plaza I have. 724 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,000 Not been in there. I have friends who have gone in. 725 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,440 It's there's. There's a bit of an issue 726 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,000 because there's no. Drive through at that property. 727 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,160 I don't believe and so it's it's a little bit inconvenient to get 728 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,400 in and out of you've had some changes over on the East side in 729 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,600 that you. You took out both the the Taco 730 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,280 Bell and the. KFC there's no a car. 731 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,400 Wash in that location. But you know, there haven't been 732 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,200 a whole. Lot of like. 733 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,080 Immense changes in terms of like the actual restaurants. 734 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,920 Themselves, you do have new ownership, I think at Malibu 735 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,320 Grill and that's. Probably a place that needed. 736 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,560 New ownership it it had not been quite the same as it had been in 737 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,720 the past. You've got moving up the square 738 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:51,640 and in the. Square area you've still got. 739 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,800 Kind of that same. Grouping of places further 740 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,800 north, you do have the the the rebirth of Max's place which for 741 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,000 a. Long time was on the. 742 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,200 Square if you remember on the north side of the square. 743 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,160 You always have Samira there on the corner. 744 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,080 You had Groxy which? Became Cabello, which is still 745 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,720 there and then. For a while there was a place 746 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,200 called Q Billiards. Which then turned into Max's 747 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,880 place, I think around 2006, 2007 it was there. 748 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,440 For about 8 years. And then that turned into King 749 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,840 Doe, and then King Doe went out of business. 750 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,520 So this is Max. 'S place reborn, it's actually 751 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,320 up where the we're. Swinging pizza. 752 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,480 Moved after it moved out of its original. 753 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,440 Location on 17th St. SO. 754 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,520 Basically at the. Corner of 17th and college. 755 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,080 You've got square Donuts and then you've got Max's place. 756 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,840 Recommend checking Max's. Place out. 757 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,520 The pizza's really good. I have an open mic night there 758 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,920 It's it's. Relatively close to the. 759 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,520 Stadium areas but. You know it's but it's got some 760 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,760 parking both. Along the street and in the back 761 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,280 and so. Good spot to. 762 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,360 To go check out if you haven't been there already, and 763 00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,560 certainly. You know a lot of. 764 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,360 Other restaurants and locations. Another one up in the the area 765 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,400 there in the northern part of Bloomington that I mentioned 766 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,520 when I went through everything in August is hard. 767 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,480 Work Brewing, which has added some food. 768 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,360 Options on top of having. A really good selection of beer, 769 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,960 so if you like beer I would go check. 770 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,880 That out that is essentially in the building. 771 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,040 Next to where? Colorado Steakhouse used to be. 772 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,200 For those of you who were around back in the 90s or two. 773 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,200 Thousands and remember Colorado Steakhouse. 774 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,120 Trying to think if there's anything. 775 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,800 Else that really sticks. Out in terms. 776 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,800 Of new additions. I can't. 777 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,120 Think of anything off the top of my. 778 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,080 Head that we. Haven't already talked about 779 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,480 recently. But we'll do a full kind of. 780 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,720 Reset of what's going on in the Bloomington bar and restaurant 781 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,200 scene. At the start of the football 782 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,960 season, about two weeks before, so we can. 783 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,480 Get everybody ready to go. For coming back to town and 784 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,880 watching IU. Play football this year. 785 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,360 Looking through seeing if we. Have any other questions that? 786 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:02,560 That make a lot of. Sense to talk about right now it 787 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,240 doesn't. Appear that we do. 788 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,080 It there was some interesting news last night about Anthony. 789 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,040 Wheel supposedly applying to get an extra year of eligibility. 790 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,240 And is not in the. Portal so. 791 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,800 There's a non zero chance that you might see Anthony Wheel back 792 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,400 in an Indiana uniform for next year. 793 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,760 I don't know what the chances of that are. 794 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,400 There is an argument there just in terms of again, going back to 795 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,280 the eligibility situation and what all that means, you know 796 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,120 it, it's. There are a lot of players for 797 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,280 whom they're. Looking at this and they're 798 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,680 saying, well, wait, if if I only played in like a certain number 799 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,280 of games in a given year, why should that count against my 800 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,040 eligibility? You know the NCAA has, 801 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,000 basically. Said well if you got. 802 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,000 Injured and you only played at a certain number of games, then 803 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,600 you get an extra. Year of eligibility. 804 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,400 Like, I'm players are asking in court, why does the injury 805 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,040 status matter? And I don't know what the NCAA 806 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,040 is going to argue in court about why? 807 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,720 It. Should have any like make any 808 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:04,920 difference? So, you know, Luke Goody, of 809 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,800 course, also still applying for a waiver. 810 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,800 We haven't heard anything, any news on that at this point, but 811 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,200 a non. Zero chance that both. 812 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,760 Leo and Goody might be in an Indiana uniform again next 813 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,440 season. We'll, we'll hold off on. 814 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,400 Speculation or judgement on that until we actually see something 815 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,320 happen. And that would be an interesting 816 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,720 scenario if that actually ended up turning out that way. 817 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,360 Anyway, that's going to wrap it up for this one. 818 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,160 I I wanted to keep this. Relatively short with the idea. 819 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,200 That we'll do another one of these relatively soon, but 820 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:37,720 hopefully some explanations for you all about certain things 821 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,000 going on within college athletics that might be. 822 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,320 Helpful as we. Push on through May here and and 823 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,080 hopefully at some point have an idea of who's getting paid what. 824 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,520 Who is the arbitrator of of who gets paid what? 825 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,440 And how? College athletics is going to. 826 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,680 Survive what is a pretty. Difficult time right now as it 827 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,800 tries to. To, well, both. 828 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,840 Readjust its business model and fight readjusting its business 829 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,080 model all on the fly. It's it's absolutely a crazy. 830 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,840 Time right now in college. Sports, so a lot more to talk. 831 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,680 About is we're moving forward with things we'll wrap. 832 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,720 Up with that my. Thanks to all of you for tuning 833 00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,400 in, as always. And I hope you all have a 834 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,840 wonderful. Weekend and a wonderful first 835 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,120 part of May. Always my favorite month. 836 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,240 Of the year for Crimson cast and for the. 837 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:24,480 Back home network, I'm Galen Clavio. 838 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,240 We'll catch you folks. On the flip side, stay never 839 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,080 daunted. Bring back the bison. 840 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:28,960 So everybody.