1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,920 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:22,600 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 3 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,120 Galen Clavio, Scott Caulfield joining you. 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,640 It's Sunday, September 3rd. Happy Labor Day weekend, 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,900 everybody. We are coming off the first game 6 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:36,500 on the Indiana football schedule and it didn't quite go according 7 00:00:36,500 --> 00:00:39,500 to plan, but kind of did at the same time. 8 00:00:39,500 --> 00:00:42,500 We're going to talk about that and talk about Scott's 9 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:45,500 experience at the game, my experience watching the game 10 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:50,780 well after it was played and what we took away from what was 11 00:00:50,860 --> 00:00:54,220 kind of an odd weekend when it came to I U Football. 12 00:00:54,460 --> 00:00:56,940 Scott, first and foremost, good to see you. 13 00:00:56,940 --> 00:00:59,380 How are you doing this morning? I'm doing great, man. 14 00:00:59,380 --> 00:01:01,260 Good to see you again one of these days. 15 00:01:01,540 --> 00:01:06,100 Like, I think maybe we just podcast until we beat Ohio State 16 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:10,020 in football. Look, man, I got retirement 17 00:01:10,020 --> 00:01:12,700 planned in like 25 years. Okay. 18 00:01:12,700 --> 00:01:15,180 I don't know. I mean, what if they haven't 19 00:01:15,180 --> 00:01:17,940 beaten them by then? And one could say, wow, that 20 00:01:17,940 --> 00:01:20,020 sounds pessimistic. On the other hand, I could say, 21 00:01:20,220 --> 00:01:24,420 hey, the last time they beat them was the Reagan 22 00:01:24,420 --> 00:01:27,240 administration. So that you know, this is, this 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,040 is, I don't think it's funny. When I was doing my prep for the 24 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,800 game, I was looking at the the list of times I U has beaten 25 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,960 Ohio State and they've beaten them 12 times total in the 26 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:41,960 series, which is sad. What's sadder is that most of 27 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:47,960 those wins came preworld War Two, and of the 1210 of them 28 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,800 took place in Columbus, which seems like a bridge too far 29 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,640 these days. I use only beaten Ohio State 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,480 twice in Bloomington. One of them was 1988 and the 31 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,000 other you want to guess what it was. 32 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,760 Probably like 1927 or something that 1927 is optimistic of you. 33 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,360 I think it was like 1904 like it was, it was literally like, you 34 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,340 know, pre Woodrow Wilson if if we're sticking with presidents. 35 00:02:14,660 --> 00:02:17,900 I like, I like the idea of you know the the six listeners who 36 00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:20,620 followed us on football this whole time like they they they 37 00:02:20,620 --> 00:02:24,020 go through the next 20 years. We somehow do beat Ohio State 38 00:02:24,020 --> 00:02:26,340 and then it's just like the you know it's like the the Moose 39 00:02:26,340 --> 00:02:27,980 isn't here. It's like Wally World like just 40 00:02:28,180 --> 00:02:30,780 that's like sorry the guys the pod shut down like I can't wait 41 00:02:30,780 --> 00:02:31,940 to hear what Scott and Galen say. 42 00:02:31,940 --> 00:02:33,540 It's like sorry we're done like you and I are. 43 00:02:33,540 --> 00:02:35,620 We don't we don't even do a recount pod. 44 00:02:35,620 --> 00:02:37,780 We just we just cancel the whole thing. 45 00:02:37,980 --> 00:02:40,620 You know we call Connor at home field and say look man we'll pay 46 00:02:40,620 --> 00:02:42,980 the money back. It's fine, you know, you know, 47 00:02:42,980 --> 00:02:47,340 but yeah, no, I let's, let's keep dreaming on this. 48 00:02:47,340 --> 00:02:48,500 That's about the best thing we can do. 49 00:02:48,540 --> 00:02:50,580 Those things happen. We lost 23 degrees, so we're 50 00:02:50,580 --> 00:02:52,220 back. You're stuck with us anyway. 51 00:02:52,860 --> 00:02:54,060 So we're going to chat about the game. 52 00:02:54,060 --> 00:02:59,140 We're going to chat about how we feel in the aftermath of the 53 00:02:59,140 --> 00:03:01,820 game in terms of, you know, we we gave our preseason 54 00:03:01,820 --> 00:03:05,820 predictions last week and and wanted to update those based on 55 00:03:05,820 --> 00:03:07,540 what we see. So we'll talk about all of that, 56 00:03:07,850 --> 00:03:11,330 but first just a reminder, we're brought to you by the well we 57 00:03:11,330 --> 00:03:12,970 part it. We are not brought by brought to 58 00:03:12,970 --> 00:03:14,290 you by. We're part of the home field. 59 00:03:14,290 --> 00:03:16,530 Geez, no, I've screwed it up completely. 60 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:19,170 Scott, let's start over. We are part of the back home 61 00:03:19,170 --> 00:03:20,890 network. 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All right I U Ohio State. 111 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:53,610 Let's talk about the game first and then we'll talk about the 112 00:05:53,650 --> 00:05:56,890 other stuff including your tailgate stitch afterwards. 113 00:05:56,890 --> 00:06:04,710 So Indiana loses this game 23 to 3:00 and it's one of those games 114 00:06:04,710 --> 00:06:09,070 where I I think this is going to be a Rorschach test for a lot of 115 00:06:09,070 --> 00:06:11,150 people in the fan base and in the media. 116 00:06:11,310 --> 00:06:14,070 You're going to read into it what you want to read into it. 117 00:06:14,070 --> 00:06:20,230 I think if you are a pro Allen, you know, pro program trajectory 118 00:06:20,230 --> 00:06:23,630 person, you're going to take a bunch of positives out of this 119 00:06:23,630 --> 00:06:25,550 performance and there are positives. 120 00:06:25,830 --> 00:06:29,610 If you are an Auntie Allen, you know, I don't like the direction 121 00:06:29,610 --> 00:06:31,210 the program is going type of person. 122 00:06:31,210 --> 00:06:34,250 There's a lot you could take out of this game where you'd be like 123 00:06:35,250 --> 00:06:37,450 I I I feel bolstered in my opinion. 124 00:06:38,210 --> 00:06:41,290 You're trying to look at this from a a more neutral 125 00:06:41,290 --> 00:06:44,890 perspective. I'll say this, Indiana both 126 00:06:45,010 --> 00:06:48,770 satisfied some of my concerns and created new ones in this 127 00:06:48,770 --> 00:06:52,790 game, and I didn't have the the pleasure. 128 00:06:52,950 --> 00:06:55,750 I'll put that in in scare quotes of watching the whole thing 129 00:06:55,750 --> 00:06:57,390 live. I saw the first quarter I had to 130 00:06:57,390 --> 00:07:00,470 leave for a work function. So I listened to a lot of the 131 00:07:00,470 --> 00:07:03,150 game on the radio. I came back and watched the 132 00:07:03,150 --> 00:07:07,470 whole thing late last night and, well, I knew what I was getting 133 00:07:07,470 --> 00:07:09,190 into because it wasn't like a surprise. 134 00:07:09,190 --> 00:07:11,590 You know, I didn't try to be like, Oh no, don't don't check 135 00:07:11,590 --> 00:07:14,070 social media because people who do that are just kidding 136 00:07:14,070 --> 00:07:17,110 themselves. But I I went back and watched 137 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,440 and you know, I think the big thing also start with the 138 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,280 positives. The big thing that stood out to 139 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,880 me, obviously was the play of the defense. 140 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,080 Not just that they were able to stymie Ohio State. 141 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,480 Not just that they were able to impose their will physically, 142 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,240 which felt weird. I, I, I a couple of times 143 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,960 checked to make sure that I hadn't accidentally DVR'd a 144 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,200 different team, but they really looked active and all over the 145 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,390 place and we had a lot of questions about the defense. 146 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:48,910 You know, we knew Andre Carter was probably going to be good. 147 00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:52,710 We weren't sure about the rest of the pieces, but you know, for 148 00:07:52,710 --> 00:07:57,950 a team that looked adrift on defense the last two years, this 149 00:07:57,950 --> 00:08:00,910 was a major statement game, even in a loss. 150 00:08:01,270 --> 00:08:05,270 And you know I have to say I I'm really excited and you know it 151 00:08:05,270 --> 00:08:08,370 looks already like the hire of Matt Guerrero as defensive 152 00:08:08,370 --> 00:08:11,410 coordinator has paid some dividends because they there was 153 00:08:11,410 --> 00:08:15,010 a clear plan on defense and I we didn't really see that the last 154 00:08:15,010 --> 00:08:18,610 couple of years. No, I mean, no question the 155 00:08:18,610 --> 00:08:20,690 defense looks good. That was obviously going to be 156 00:08:20,690 --> 00:08:22,730 my positive as well. And and you're right, I mean at 157 00:08:22,730 --> 00:08:26,110 the game. You know what you don't know is 158 00:08:26,110 --> 00:08:29,790 like how checked out or not checked in was Ohio State. 159 00:08:29,790 --> 00:08:33,150 But even like 1/2 checked in Ohio State is probably better 160 00:08:33,270 --> 00:08:35,110 than a lot of teams were going to play this year. 161 00:08:35,590 --> 00:08:38,150 But you know the thing that we didn't see, that you see in so 162 00:08:38,150 --> 00:08:40,030 many of these games that you keep it close? 163 00:08:40,380 --> 00:08:42,700 And then, you know, like in the past, Ezekiel Elliott breaks 164 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:45,140 for, you know, 280 yard runs and it's like suddenly it's 21. 165 00:08:45,140 --> 00:08:47,260 Three. Ohio State never really had 166 00:08:47,260 --> 00:08:49,940 those big plays and either they weren't really going for them. 167 00:08:50,220 --> 00:08:53,020 Again, don't know if Ohio State just wasn't, you know, opening 168 00:08:53,020 --> 00:08:55,700 their playbook or if IU was providing enough issues on 169 00:08:55,700 --> 00:08:57,590 defense. That they weren't doing it. 170 00:08:57,590 --> 00:09:02,310 But you hold Ohio State 2 for 12 on 3rd down and a lot of the two 171 00:09:02,310 --> 00:09:04,830 of those were really short downs which unfortunately is why Ohio 172 00:09:04,830 --> 00:09:06,710 State was 2 for three from 4th down. 173 00:09:06,710 --> 00:09:11,550 But you know and the the yardage numbers you know 237 passing 174 00:09:11,550 --> 00:09:15,430 yards, 143 rushing yards like those are you hold them to 23 175 00:09:15,430 --> 00:09:17,070 points. You have Marvin Harrison Jr. 176 00:09:17,070 --> 00:09:21,100 I think you held two catches. Well under his thanks. 177 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:23,260 You know, I appreciate the defensive effort. 178 00:09:23,260 --> 00:09:25,500 I kind of wish you would have let Marvin Harrison get over 93 179 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:27,620 1/2 yards based on my gambling aspects. 180 00:09:27,620 --> 00:09:31,420 But just you know seconded. Yeah, I think I only can only 181 00:09:31,420 --> 00:09:34,420 can win so many things But you also hold Ohio State to 23 182 00:09:34,420 --> 00:09:37,860 points and that is you know if I just tell you that Galen last 183 00:09:37,860 --> 00:09:39,900 week like hey, nothing else we're going to hold Ohio State 184 00:09:39,900 --> 00:09:42,700 to 23 points. I take that and I run with it. 185 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:46,660 And so, so I completely agree. The defensive effort, they look 186 00:09:46,660 --> 00:09:49,170 crisp, Chris. They look good and and like you 187 00:09:49,170 --> 00:09:51,570 said, they they kind of pushed around Ohio State at times. 188 00:09:51,650 --> 00:09:54,370 Yeah, I mean, I think you brought up a point. 189 00:09:54,370 --> 00:09:56,410 I don't know if Ohio State was checked out. 190 00:09:56,410 --> 00:09:57,810 I think is the wrong word. I don't think. 191 00:09:57,850 --> 00:10:01,090 I don't think they were checked. However, however, I will say 192 00:10:01,530 --> 00:10:06,090 this is clearly not the same Ohio State team from a personnel 193 00:10:06,090 --> 00:10:07,970 perspective. You know, you don't have, 194 00:10:08,650 --> 00:10:11,050 there's no Justin Fields, there's no CJ Stroud. 195 00:10:11,050 --> 00:10:14,410 You had two quarterbacks and honestly, you know these look 196 00:10:14,410 --> 00:10:20,210 like John Cooper era Ohio State quarterbacks, not modern day day 197 00:10:20,250 --> 00:10:22,370 quarterbacks. You know, I mean, I don't know 198 00:10:22,370 --> 00:10:23,610 if that's what they're rolling with. 199 00:10:24,370 --> 00:10:27,610 They're going to lose two or three regular season games this 200 00:10:27,610 --> 00:10:30,250 year. I mean McCord was just really 201 00:10:30,250 --> 00:10:34,010 met and the other guy, Brown, I mean they were hyping him up 202 00:10:34,010 --> 00:10:36,010 when he came in the game. Like this guy's Uber athletic. 203 00:10:36,010 --> 00:10:38,570 And then I think he was in for like 5 plays and really did not 204 00:10:38,570 --> 00:10:41,390 impress. So I think Ohio State certainly 205 00:10:41,390 --> 00:10:44,510 has some offensive problems that they're going to need to sort. 206 00:10:44,830 --> 00:10:49,790 But even putting those aside, Indiana holds Ohio State to 380 207 00:10:49,790 --> 00:10:52,950 total yards on offense. That only happened to them twice 208 00:10:53,270 --> 00:10:55,830 total last year. One of them was against Iowa, 209 00:10:55,830 --> 00:11:00,070 but they won 54 to 10. The other one was that game at 210 00:11:00,070 --> 00:11:02,470 Northwestern that that kind of had everybody questioning 211 00:11:02,470 --> 00:11:04,310 whether Ohio State was really good. 212 00:11:04,310 --> 00:11:08,630 They only had 283 yards. They still won that game 21 to 213 00:11:08,630 --> 00:11:10,400 7. You know, Ohio State does 214 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,040 occasionally have games where they don't play that well, but 215 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,920 it hasn't been that regular. I mean, you go back through the 216 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,840 rest of 2022, you go through 2021. 217 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,400 I mean, they're normally at at minimum at like 450 yards on 218 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,560 offense, if not more. So I think from my use 219 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:30,640 perspective, yeah, Ohio State isn't up in Top Gear yet, but 220 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,920 that hasn't stopped them in the past, you know, And and so I'm 221 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,880 not, I'm not the type of person who's going to be like, well, 222 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,120 Ohio State didn't have their own game because I do think that 223 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,760 Indiana had a lot to do with that. 224 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,880 It's not like Ohio State chose to score 23 points. 225 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:46,600 You know, this is not the type of program where they're like, 226 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,840 yeah, sure, we're just going to, you know, pull some punches. 227 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,000 They have no punches to pull, I think, at least in the short 228 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:57,160 term of things. So all of that said you know you 229 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,040 look at the performers on defense, I think Aaron Casey you 230 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,380 know clearly stuck out. Rita looks like another really 231 00:12:03,380 --> 00:12:07,420 good middle linebacker in the mold of the Micah Mcfadden's and 232 00:12:07,420 --> 00:12:09,300 and you know some of the other folks that have been here. 233 00:12:10,380 --> 00:12:14,540 You also got the no, no sacks on the day but you got some tackles 234 00:12:14,540 --> 00:12:16,060 for loss. Andre Carter was in the 235 00:12:16,060 --> 00:12:20,580 backfield a lot, lot of plays blown up before they started and 236 00:12:20,580 --> 00:12:23,220 even some of the past defending, you know, I mean, Jacob Mangum 237 00:12:23,220 --> 00:12:27,290 Farrar had two passes defended effectively. 238 00:12:27,290 --> 00:12:30,290 Kobe Minor played well. Louis Moore played well. 239 00:12:30,290 --> 00:12:32,810 Nick Toomer played well. Josh Sangredetti had that nice 240 00:12:32,810 --> 00:12:35,770 breakup at the end of the first half, you know. 241 00:12:35,770 --> 00:12:39,970 So these were all names that we were looking on the depth chart 242 00:12:39,970 --> 00:12:41,650 and couldn't quite get our heads wrapped around. 243 00:12:41,650 --> 00:12:42,890 Okay. How are all these pieces going 244 00:12:42,890 --> 00:12:45,430 to fit? And they all seem to fit pretty 245 00:12:45,430 --> 00:12:47,430 well. Like there was a clear role for 246 00:12:47,430 --> 00:12:49,710 a lot of these guys and they seem like a system that could be 247 00:12:49,710 --> 00:12:52,350 a little bit flexible in how it was being applied. 248 00:12:52,350 --> 00:12:55,350 So I don't want people to gloss that over because that was a big 249 00:12:55,350 --> 00:12:57,150 issue the last couple of years without you. 250 00:12:57,270 --> 00:13:00,430 It's early yet, but if that's the baseline that you're going 251 00:13:00,430 --> 00:13:02,230 off of, you can feel pretty good. 252 00:13:02,550 --> 00:13:04,990 Well, something we talked about in the season preview was the, 253 00:13:05,430 --> 00:13:08,390 you know, like in 2020 that the big thing was the takeaways and 254 00:13:08,390 --> 00:13:11,130 how last year it really flipped. You know, this year, you know 255 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:15,330 this game I, I call it 20 because that that that what was 256 00:13:15,330 --> 00:13:18,130 called the interception or incomplete past the end of the 257 00:13:18,130 --> 00:13:19,970 first half was definitely a fumble. 258 00:13:20,210 --> 00:13:23,010 It just was. But you know, I, you also got an 259 00:13:23,010 --> 00:13:24,690 interception. So I mean, you, you got to turn 260 00:13:24,690 --> 00:13:27,690 over like the defense also got to take away and really they got 261 00:13:27,690 --> 00:13:31,370 2 takeaways in the first half. And that's again like, you know, 262 00:13:31,410 --> 00:13:34,290 2 takeaways in there, you know, 1 1/2 takeaways in the first 263 00:13:34,290 --> 00:13:36,680 half and 23 points. I would take that from the 264 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:39,120 defense all day long. So no, I'm I'm with you. 265 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,600 You know, I just I was pointing out you know Ohio State did seem 266 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,160 to be playing a little bit vanilla. 267 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,080 But again a vanilla Ohio State is still probably top half of 268 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,720 the big that still might be the best opponent, you know one of 269 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,040 the best opponents we play all year. 270 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,240 So you know like you said both teams are playing both teams, 271 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,960 you know, no matter whether you're playing vanilla are 272 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,640 trying to score and I you look really, really good on defense. 273 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,560 So that that is very encouraging. 274 00:14:02,610 --> 00:14:04,890 So then we jump to the other side of things, which is the 275 00:14:04,890 --> 00:14:09,370 offense, which I, you know, I listening to it on the radio, I 276 00:14:09,370 --> 00:14:13,810 was like well, maybe this isn't that bad if you watch it, maybe 277 00:14:14,090 --> 00:14:17,570 the the way it's being talked about it, I'm just not getting 278 00:14:17,570 --> 00:14:20,090 the picture in my head. And then I came home and watch 279 00:14:20,090 --> 00:14:24,570 the game and wow, this is not a functional Division One offense 280 00:14:24,570 --> 00:14:29,330 that Indiana's running. It's just not 153 yards of total 281 00:14:29,330 --> 00:14:32,390 offense in this game. I was texting back and forth 282 00:14:32,390 --> 00:14:35,790 with Taylor from Bite size Bison last night as I was watching the 283 00:14:35,790 --> 00:14:38,550 game and I think we've determined and he may have done 284 00:14:38,550 --> 00:14:41,390 additional work and and and clarified this further. 285 00:14:42,750 --> 00:14:47,910 Since 2006 Indiana's only had one game where they had that low 286 00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:50,070 of an offensive a total offense total. 287 00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:55,240 That was the 2021 game at home against Ohio State, where I 288 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,760 think they were at 118 yards of offense in that game. 289 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,480 Now you have to keep in mind that game, Indiana, they've 290 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:03,640 lost. Michael panics. 291 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,120 They the season had basically been set on fire and left to 292 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,440 drift through the harbor. And that was one of the worst 293 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,160 weather days I think we've ever had for a game at Memorial 294 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,880 Stadium. It rained all day. 295 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,120 Jack Tuttle couldn't get any grip on the ball. 296 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,400 Indiana could do literally nothing on offense. 297 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,550 The fact that that's the only other games since 2006 that had 298 00:15:23,550 --> 00:15:26,990 a worse offensive output than this one in perfect conditions 299 00:15:27,950 --> 00:15:31,990 is real concerning. Indiana didn't look like they 300 00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:36,470 knew how to throw the ball and it and they clearly looked like 301 00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:38,390 they knew that they wanted to run the ball. 302 00:15:38,390 --> 00:15:40,790 But the problem was they couldn't. 303 00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:44,550 They couldn't block for the run. They couldn't find holes. 304 00:15:44,950 --> 00:15:48,350 They, they kept doing the same things over and over again, I 305 00:15:48,350 --> 00:15:50,910 guess expecting different results and those results were 306 00:15:50,910 --> 00:15:52,990 not there. They tried to run a triple 307 00:15:52,990 --> 00:15:56,110 option. They ended up running for 2.2 308 00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:59,630 yards per carry and 71 total yards. 309 00:16:00,030 --> 00:16:01,630 That's not going to get the job done. 310 00:16:01,630 --> 00:16:05,070 And you know, you can look at it and say, well you know, gosh, 311 00:16:05,070 --> 00:16:07,550 that's it's Ohio State. How could you, how could you 312 00:16:07,550 --> 00:16:10,070 think that you could do that? And I'd just like to note that, 313 00:16:10,350 --> 00:16:15,740 you know, all of last year nobody had that low of a yardage 314 00:16:15,740 --> 00:16:17,780 total playing against Ohio State. 315 00:16:17,780 --> 00:16:21,060 The closest again was Iowa. But Iowa, you can't even 316 00:16:21,060 --> 00:16:23,420 consider them really like an offensive football team. 317 00:16:23,420 --> 00:16:26,700 They're they're more like they're like a really bad I PO 318 00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:29,900 on offense as opposed to being an actual, like, offensive 319 00:16:29,900 --> 00:16:33,500 company. You got to go back a ways other 320 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:38,020 than that Indiana game in 2021 to find a game where teams had 321 00:16:38,020 --> 00:16:40,700 this few yards. Like one of them was Miami of 322 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:44,100 Ohio in 2019 against Ohio State who had 130 yards. 323 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:48,820 This was, you know, I'm not expecting I you to win this 324 00:16:48,820 --> 00:16:52,660 game, but I you have to have a functional offense if you're 325 00:16:52,660 --> 00:16:55,780 going to compete. And you know, Allen's 326 00:16:55,860 --> 00:16:58,140 explanation in the press conference seem to be, well, 327 00:16:58,140 --> 00:17:00,180 it's, you know, we're still trying to work the quarterbacks 328 00:17:00,180 --> 00:17:01,300 up. Like, no, that's that's not 329 00:17:01,300 --> 00:17:03,720 sufficient. You have to have a functional 330 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,160 offense in a Big 10 game. And frankly, it's it's 331 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,640 incredibly frustrating that Indiana gets a defensive 332 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,960 performance where they only allow Ohio State to score 23. 333 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,920 And three of those points were due to another issue, which 334 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,599 we'll talk about later. So that you really kind of hold 335 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:25,280 Ohio State to 20 points on the game and you are still 2 score, 336 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:30,310 3 scores away from winning because your offense is so inept 337 00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:33,510 that all you could do was put a field goal on the board that 338 00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:36,750 almost bounced out as opposed to bouncing in. 339 00:17:36,910 --> 00:17:41,270 So you know, not to say that the offense is irredeemable, but if 340 00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:43,830 you look at what you saw out there and you saw it in person, 341 00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:47,390 so you saw more than I did, it looked really bad, like at a 342 00:17:47,390 --> 00:17:50,310 level that is not going to be sufficient for the season. 343 00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:53,310 Yes, Doctor. I mean, I I will. 344 00:17:53,470 --> 00:17:55,790 You'll point this out. I actually didn't notice. 345 00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:58,880 Like I just. Didn't realize this till the end 346 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,960 of the game. I you never was in the red zone. 347 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,360 Like just never made it to the red zone all game. 348 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,600 To me. I'm going to encapsulate it all 349 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,480 into kind of 1 little series that I think shows the issues 350 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,520 and maybe just is the I'll I'll hit on this. 351 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,200 So I wanted to get to the quarterback back and forth but 352 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,080 you know so it's in the second quarter. 353 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,120 It's nearing the end of the second quarter. 354 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:20,440 Indiana is in the game. It's seven to three as Ohio 355 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,550 State 7:00 to 3:00. We get the ball on our own 42. 356 00:18:23,550 --> 00:18:27,470 We have a great field position. We we run up the middle for six 357 00:18:27,470 --> 00:18:30,190 yards, run up the middle for one yard, run up the middle for six 358 00:18:30,190 --> 00:18:30,790 yards. Great. 359 00:18:30,790 --> 00:18:33,110 It's now first and 10 on the Ohio State 45. 360 00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:34,990 There's like 2 minutes left in the first half. 361 00:18:34,990 --> 00:18:36,990 You are still, it's a seven to three-game. 362 00:18:37,310 --> 00:18:40,150 And by the way, you've now somehow gotten first down, 363 00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:41,590 running up the middle three times. 364 00:18:43,070 --> 00:18:45,390 You then run up the middle for two yards, run up the middle for 365 00:18:45,390 --> 00:18:47,350 three yards, run up the middle for one yard. 366 00:18:48,030 --> 00:18:49,990 You you leave 11 seconds on the clock. 367 00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:52,230 When you run that last place, there's still 42 seconds. 368 00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:54,750 And then you call. Ohio State calls a timeout 369 00:18:54,750 --> 00:18:55,830 because they know what's going on. 370 00:18:56,070 --> 00:19:00,110 You then do a short pass to Carter, which is not it's 371 00:19:00,110 --> 00:19:01,470 already going to be short of the line. 372 00:19:01,470 --> 00:19:03,990 It gets broken away. Ohio State immediately gets the 373 00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:06,990 ball, dries it down, almost scores a touchdown, save some. 374 00:19:07,070 --> 00:19:10,070 Again, good defensive play. This is what bothers me. 375 00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:12,170 Is that? So Jackson was under center at 376 00:19:12,170 --> 00:19:15,850 that point and you could say, well, you know, he only threw 377 00:19:15,850 --> 00:19:18,450 for, you know, one for five, but it's like one of his two series 378 00:19:18,450 --> 00:19:21,010 before that he threw like a 40 yard pass to camp camper that 379 00:19:21,010 --> 00:19:22,970 wasn't there. But like they did open it up 12 380 00:19:22,970 --> 00:19:24,490 seconds ago. And this is, you know, in the 381 00:19:24,490 --> 00:19:28,130 postgame, Alan even said, you know, we were way too vanilla on 382 00:19:28,130 --> 00:19:30,050 offense. And it's like, OK, but you? 383 00:19:30,430 --> 00:19:31,910 You've got to change that real time. 384 00:19:31,950 --> 00:19:35,590 Like the game is 7 to 3. Now I'm I'm not saying that 385 00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:38,590 there were opportunities like maybe Ohio State what they're 386 00:19:38,590 --> 00:19:41,870 doing on defense isn't giving you the ability to throw, but 387 00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:44,750 you can still call play where you just you'll go back and just 388 00:19:44,750 --> 00:19:47,830 throw it to the just try one play that's not a run up the 389 00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:51,150 middle try something. You know, if if history is shown 390 00:19:51,150 --> 00:19:53,670 us, you know, we talk about these games where Ohio State 391 00:19:53,670 --> 00:19:57,230 gets beaten by a Purdue or by, you know, an Illinois, you know, 392 00:19:57,230 --> 00:20:00,200 lower level teams. It happens because there's some 393 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,880 of these crazy freak plays that just happened and they're not 394 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,280 going to happen with you running jail and Lucas up the middle 395 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,480 between the tackles. Like, I'm sorry, it's that's the 396 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,680 unlikeliest of of where it's going to happen. 397 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,360 The fact that you didn't take any shots there, you know, maybe 398 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,520 you're able to get it to 6:50. Maybe. 399 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,420 I don't know if you win. It's a different feel but it 400 00:20:22,420 --> 00:20:25,180 does feel like we were playing so much. 401 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:29,740 Just hang on to attend A73 game and then you see the difference 402 00:20:29,740 --> 00:20:34,260 or how state in 40 seconds just plows onto the gas and goes for 403 00:20:34,260 --> 00:20:36,900 it and it it. That's the frustrating part for 404 00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:39,380 me is it felt like and I was listening to the postgame show 405 00:20:39,380 --> 00:20:42,690 or the postgame calling people are calling in like you know do 406 00:20:42,690 --> 00:20:45,050 you think we were holding back our, you know, holding back our 407 00:20:45,050 --> 00:20:46,610 playbook for Indiana State and Louisville. 408 00:20:46,610 --> 00:20:48,410 And it's like I don't, I don't know if that's the case. 409 00:20:48,410 --> 00:20:49,970 But if that's the case, like that is idiotic. 410 00:20:49,970 --> 00:20:53,250 Like you actually are in the game with Ohio State in the 411 00:20:53,250 --> 00:20:55,090 second quarter. It's seven to three like you are 412 00:20:55,090 --> 00:20:57,010 there. Now is the time to throw 413 00:20:57,050 --> 00:21:01,210 everything you have at it And if all we have at it is like is 414 00:21:01,210 --> 00:21:02,810 runs up the middle that I'm very nervous. 415 00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:05,450 So it did feel like we were holding back or playing vanilla 416 00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:08,730 or not not willing to let our guys at least take one shot. 417 00:21:08,730 --> 00:21:11,090 And that's what that's what frustrates me is like, I'm not 418 00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:12,490 saying it's got to be an all air raid, but. 419 00:21:12,610 --> 00:21:14,970 Like take you, you have 7 plays there. 420 00:21:15,330 --> 00:21:18,530 Take one shot, one shot at the end. 421 00:21:19,050 --> 00:21:22,130 Yeah, I okay. So there's two parts to this 422 00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:26,850 that I think we have to consider because you're right, not taking 423 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:30,930 a shot there is on the face of it, wild. 424 00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:36,730 I think the issue is that I you does not have the offensive 425 00:21:36,730 --> 00:21:39,050 line, nor do they have the quarterback. 426 00:21:39,890 --> 00:21:42,730 To actually do what you just described. 427 00:21:42,850 --> 00:21:46,490 And so then you get into the issue of, well, should you be 428 00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:50,170 trying to take shots when you know that you've only got like 429 00:21:50,170 --> 00:21:54,330 like last year and like the year before, maybe 2 1/2 seconds in 430 00:21:54,330 --> 00:21:59,850 the pocket before it collapses. You know, you saw that with this 431 00:21:59,850 --> 00:22:01,730 that sequence at the end you were talking about. 432 00:22:01,730 --> 00:22:05,330 I mean, Jackson had to get the ball out pretty quickly, even to 433 00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:09,080 try to get the pass. Go out because he wasn't going 434 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,440 to have enough time. Now that's a systems failure and 435 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,880 that is a preparation failure. And this is where it has nothing 436 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,560 to do, even with the mentality in the game itself. 437 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,520 It has more to do with the way that the offseason was set up 438 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,840 and the way that the players are put together, The way that Allen 439 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,920 decided to pursue or not pursue quarterbacks. 440 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,400 We talked at the end of the year about Allen wants to be now a 441 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,140 running team. He wants to, he wants to run the 442 00:22:37,180 --> 00:22:39,660 option. He wants to use the run to 443 00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:42,420 support the quarterbacks, I guess to pass. 444 00:22:42,420 --> 00:22:45,220 That's kind of what he said. But he had an ingame interview 445 00:22:45,220 --> 00:22:48,780 with Jenny Dell where it was like late in the second quarter 446 00:22:48,780 --> 00:22:51,220 and there was some kind of question about the quarterbacks 447 00:22:51,220 --> 00:22:52,780 like, well, you know, our plan was to play both. 448 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:57,820 Thanks Tom, for telling us that. And you know, we need to run the 449 00:22:57,820 --> 00:22:59,540 ball to help the quarterbacks out. 450 00:22:59,540 --> 00:23:01,820 That was his exact words. So if you take that and you're 451 00:23:01,820 --> 00:23:04,340 like okay, that's his mentality. We got to run the ball. 452 00:23:05,050 --> 00:23:07,170 He doesn't have a team that can effectively run the ball to 453 00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:09,890 support the passing game, and he doesn't appear to have 454 00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:13,170 quarterbacks who are able to pass the ball to support the 455 00:23:13,170 --> 00:23:15,490 running game. That's a real problem, and 456 00:23:15,490 --> 00:23:18,450 that's a team building issue. And I'm sorry. 457 00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:21,570 I look around the country and I see all of these teams that 458 00:23:21,610 --> 00:23:24,890 brought in quarterbacks who were throwing the ball, we're running 459 00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:27,210 offenses that were taking advantage of their weapons. 460 00:23:27,330 --> 00:23:30,370 I look at all these weapons that Indiana's accrued, you know, 461 00:23:30,370 --> 00:23:33,770 both in the backfield and at the wide receiver. 462 00:23:34,410 --> 00:23:35,490 Session. You know, areas. 463 00:23:35,490 --> 00:23:38,210 Cam Camper, EJ, Williams, Dequees, Carter. 464 00:23:38,210 --> 00:23:40,250 Donovan, McCauley, Anderson, Kobe. 465 00:23:40,250 --> 00:23:42,130 I mean, that's five good receivers. 466 00:23:42,370 --> 00:23:47,890 You know that group of players ended up combining for 8 catches 467 00:23:47,890 --> 00:23:50,410 total out of the nine that Indiana had. 468 00:23:50,410 --> 00:23:52,650 Sorry, 7 catches out of the nine that Indiana had. 469 00:23:53,010 --> 00:23:55,430 And. There was no real attempt to get 470 00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:56,990 them involved in the passing game. 471 00:23:57,030 --> 00:23:59,950 They were being used to block for a running game that was 472 00:23:59,950 --> 00:24:03,590 nonexistent, in part because there's no tight end that you 473 00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:07,070 can reliably have out there as part of that process on the 474 00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:09,870 roster. So part of the offensive issue 475 00:24:09,870 --> 00:24:12,670 in terms of things is the is a team building thing. 476 00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:19,430 The other though, I think the mentality is we want to play to 477 00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:22,430 not lose up until the point where we can play to win. 478 00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:26,020 And that's a terrible mentality. If that's what Alan did against 479 00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:30,420 Purdue last year, where he was so fired up to essentially run 480 00:24:30,420 --> 00:24:35,020 out the first half, When you knew that if you watched I U 481 00:24:35,020 --> 00:24:37,620 football and you watched I U under Alan, you knew that Purdue 482 00:24:37,620 --> 00:24:40,620 was going to make adjustments. They were going to really push 483 00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:43,580 the envelope offensively in the second-half, and they did. 484 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:46,220 You knew Ohio State was going to continue to score. 485 00:24:46,540 --> 00:24:50,500 Going in whether it was 7 to 3:00 or 2:50 was not going to be 486 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,970 enough. And so you do have to try 487 00:24:52,970 --> 00:24:56,410 different things to try to get the ball down the field. 488 00:24:56,730 --> 00:24:59,370 And you can't simply say, well, Indiana's not capable of doing 489 00:24:59,370 --> 00:25:01,330 that. That's that. 490 00:25:01,330 --> 00:25:03,890 You have to be able to like the idea that Indiana is just 491 00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:06,370 incapable of doing anything that goes to Ohio State is not 492 00:25:06,370 --> 00:25:09,690 acceptable, Scott, like it's like every other team in the Big 493 00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:13,050 10 was able to figure out at least how to do something on 494 00:25:13,050 --> 00:25:16,890 offense to score a touchdown against Ohio State last year. 495 00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:19,970 It's hard for me to get my head wrapped around the idea that 496 00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:22,940 Indiana was so inept. In terms of how things were 497 00:25:22,940 --> 00:25:27,140 structured that they couldn't be able to at least try to do that 498 00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:29,380 in this game. And yet most of the play calling 499 00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:32,260 was about as conservative in vanilla as you can get. 500 00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:35,660 And as you said, you you got to adjust to that in real time when 501 00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:37,420 you are that close. Yeah. 502 00:25:37,460 --> 00:25:39,860 I think your your turn of phrase is perfect like you're playing 503 00:25:39,860 --> 00:25:42,380 not to not to lose until you have to play to win like that 504 00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:45,180 that's what and it you definitely felt that in the 505 00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:47,520 stadium. It's just like we're like it's 506 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,480 like we're really happy to be 7 to three of Ohio State. 507 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,400 Like that's not going to do it. Like you're not going to get 508 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,160 three more field goals and win nine to seven. 509 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,880 Like it's not going to happen. You know the thing with the the 510 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,480 option that is it was tough. So I watched part of because it 511 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,880 was hot we went to the like the nutrition center which is where 512 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,440 you you did the you sat there last year above it. 513 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,480 So kind of that behind the end zone looks. 514 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,280 So it was actually a really cool way to watch us play the option. 515 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,760 And you know, there was multiple plays in the second quarter 516 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,800 where Jackson made the wrong. And I'm saying this very lightly 517 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,120 because it's not like he's a freshman. 518 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,760 It says he's trying it, but it's like he made the wrong reading 519 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,720 the option. And like, had he kept the ball, 520 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,040 he would have gotten the first down. 521 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,240 Or had he pitched it in the other situation, he would have, 522 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,480 he would have had the first down. 523 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,840 That's fine. I'm not, this is not a criticism 524 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,320 of that. What It's more criticism or the 525 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,720 system of it is like, you know, this idea of like we're suddenly 526 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,840 gonna become like a double or a triple option team. 527 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,430 It's like if you went to go see Aerosmith and it's like, hey, 528 00:26:42,430 --> 00:26:45,830 Joe Perry wants to play drums tonight, it's like, well, this 529 00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:49,830 is, this is really hard to just do overnight. 530 00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:53,350 Like, yeah, he's a musician. Like it could maybe go all 531 00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:55,790 right, but, like, can we just get guys back normal and dream 532 00:26:55,790 --> 00:26:57,150 on? Like, I'd like to just hear 533 00:26:57,150 --> 00:27:00,580 dream on. You know, it's the option takes 534 00:27:00,580 --> 00:27:03,140 a long time to learn and if you're getting quarterbacks who 535 00:27:03,140 --> 00:27:06,100 didn't play it a lot in high school and you don't have it and 536 00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:09,100 so again, it's not. I'm not knocking the players. 537 00:27:09,220 --> 00:27:12,180 They look like they were running the option for the first time 538 00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:16,740 against a really good team. And and then it's like, you know 539 00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:19,860 exactly what happened is what I thought would happen is Ohio 540 00:27:19,860 --> 00:27:22,340 State gets up what is it, 14 to three in the second-half. 541 00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:24,140 And it's like, all right now we're going to bring sores me 542 00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:26,740 back, and now we're going to suddenly run a traditional 543 00:27:26,740 --> 00:27:28,500 offense where we're throwing a lot because. 544 00:27:29,130 --> 00:27:33,450 We we can't go three and out every time and it yeah so. 545 00:27:33,450 --> 00:27:36,770 So there's all those things I do want to circle back to the to 546 00:27:36,770 --> 00:27:38,490 the quarterback like yes, Tom Allen. 547 00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:40,010 Oh sorry. One thing real quick on that 548 00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:43,250 because I think it's important to point out I mean we get 549 00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:45,930 frustrated with Alan on this show and I and it's not. 550 00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:48,570 I mean, other people get frustrated with Alan too, but 551 00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:53,010 like our frustration a lot of times simply comes from Alan. 552 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,360 Has got to understand how all the phases of the game work as a 553 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,840 head coach, but he has consistently shown an inability 554 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,960 to really understand how the offense works and how it should 555 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,600 fit into things. And it it, you know, we had this 556 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,680 complaint earlier in his time at I U. 557 00:28:13,410 --> 00:28:15,770 Where it almost felt like the offense was supposed to be an 558 00:28:15,850 --> 00:28:20,250 adjunct supporter of the defense and you know, under the board it 559 00:28:20,250 --> 00:28:23,090 felt that way. And then he hired Kaylin Debour 560 00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:25,250 and it felt like, oh, maybe things have gotten better and 561 00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:28,610 then the last couple of years the offense has just been bad. 562 00:28:28,930 --> 00:28:33,850 I'm really concerned that his focus on a a running game is 563 00:28:33,850 --> 00:28:37,610 because it supports his defense or or Gary's defense now. 564 00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:40,290 When he doesn't have the personnel to pull off what he's 565 00:28:40,290 --> 00:28:43,050 trying to pull off, like you can't just snap your fingers and 566 00:28:43,050 --> 00:28:45,170 say, well we're going to be a power running team, we're going 567 00:28:45,170 --> 00:28:48,410 to run the option. I mean that is that is you know, 568 00:28:48,410 --> 00:28:50,850 it's a particular type of player that you're recruiting. 569 00:28:50,890 --> 00:28:53,010 It's a lot of training. It's a lot of prep. 570 00:28:53,010 --> 00:28:56,050 We know this offensive line has struggled in all phases of 571 00:28:56,050 --> 00:28:59,490 blocking. They were not awful yesterday in 572 00:28:59,490 --> 00:29:02,450 the traditional sense, in that, you know, it wasn't a free for 573 00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:05,050 all to the quarterback like it traditionally has been, but a 574 00:29:05,050 --> 00:29:08,620 lot of that was because we were. You know, rolling out and 575 00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:10,700 running these these option reads. 576 00:29:10,980 --> 00:29:14,580 So they were pursuing anyway and it kind of masked what we've 577 00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:17,780 normally seen, pass rush wise, pass rush wise it's. 578 00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:20,620 But it's frustrating because we've talked about this. 579 00:29:20,620 --> 00:29:22,420 We know this. This is not a team whose 580 00:29:22,420 --> 00:29:26,340 personnel set is focused on being that type of an offensive 581 00:29:26,340 --> 00:29:28,310 squad. They haven't recruited for it. 582 00:29:28,390 --> 00:29:30,630 They really didn't get the players in the portal to support 583 00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:33,110 it. And they've got all these skill 584 00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:34,870 position players that are really good. 585 00:29:35,070 --> 00:29:39,150 And you know, instead of really trying to focus on, for 586 00:29:39,150 --> 00:29:42,470 instance, getting Jalen Lucas into space and throwing him the 587 00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:45,070 football and putting him in a position to succeed, what he 588 00:29:45,070 --> 00:29:47,870 doesn't have a bunch of. Tacklers bearing down on him 589 00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:50,270 when they're going forward and he's going laterally. 590 00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:53,750 Instead we're making him go laterally or we're plunging him 591 00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:55,750 into the line. I mean, Gary Danielson, I think 592 00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:57,790 it was, or maybe it was. Brad Nesler made some comment on 593 00:29:57,790 --> 00:30:01,270 the broadcast about if you have to establish the dive, if the 594 00:30:01,270 --> 00:30:03,430 option is going to work. And the other one said, well, 595 00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:07,870 you normally don't dive a guy who's 57, you know, you know 596 00:30:07,910 --> 00:30:11,590 that 190 pounds, which is what you're doing with Jalen Lucas, 597 00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:14,950 it's. The personnel that we have does 598 00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:18,190 not fit the offense that Indiana's trying to run when the 599 00:30:18,190 --> 00:30:22,430 Jalen Lucas thing is like the the the returns that he has are 600 00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:25,230 electric when we're not getting holding penalties that are 601 00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:28,190 pulling them back. But his his kickoff returns are 602 00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:30,230 electric and he's amazing. Wow. 603 00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:33,150 And he watched that and it's like we need to get him in 604 00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:34,310 space. And you're right, like we're 605 00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:37,350 doing everything to like, hey, can we minimize space and get 606 00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:40,690 more people around him. It's like just, you know, we 607 00:30:40,690 --> 00:30:43,530 threw behind, like I mentioned a bunch of times, we threw behind 608 00:30:43,530 --> 00:30:45,810 the line basically 70% of the time last year. 609 00:30:45,810 --> 00:30:48,450 Like just do that. Just have Jayla Lucas out in 610 00:30:48,450 --> 00:30:51,050 the, you know, out in the on the, you know, wide receiver out 611 00:30:51,050 --> 00:30:52,890 in the corner. Just throw back to him and it's 612 00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:55,010 one-on-one and like maybe that'll work. 613 00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:57,490 And you know, the last thing I'll say about the offense is 614 00:30:57,490 --> 00:31:01,600 like we did run a little like triple, like a triple reverse, I 615 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,920 think in the first. Quarter, the second quarter, it 616 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,720 wasn't a triple reverse. It was, it was just a jet sweep 617 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,640 basically. Yeah, like, but you know, I 618 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,760 think it went for like -1 yard, which is fine. 619 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,960 And on the radio they were saying like, you know, you know, 620 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,720 sometimes these don't work, but sometimes you're just setting 621 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,680 up, you're setting up the defense and I'm like for what? 622 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,640 Like we set it up for like to basically then just run up the 623 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,520 middle of the rest of the game until we were down 20 to 3:00. 624 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,400 But yeah, the the Jalen Lucas thing is frustrating because 625 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,560 when you do see him out in space on kick returns, it's like dude, 626 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,260 this guy is he's he's breaking tackles he's you know missing 627 00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:36,340 getting guys to miss like he is unbelievable. 628 00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:39,820 And then our offense it's, you know again the triple option 629 00:31:40,220 --> 00:31:43,300 doesn't normally get people in space or a power running game 630 00:31:43,580 --> 00:31:47,060 does not get people in space and it doesn't really feature guys 631 00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:52,660 57 and 120 you know £154.00. So it is it's frustrating and 632 00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:56,150 and you know I end with this it again, it does feel like at 633 00:31:56,150 --> 00:31:59,150 times being like you know this is you know it feels like the 634 00:31:59,150 --> 00:32:01,830 coaching staff is like this is what I want our offense to be 635 00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:05,590 without looking at what the the personnel is. 636 00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:07,430 When it's like you should look at the personnel and be like, 637 00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:10,910 OK, based on this personnel, what kind of offense can I build 638 00:32:10,910 --> 00:32:12,830 around that? Well, and and look, the argument 639 00:32:12,910 --> 00:32:16,270 for the people who think that we're being overly negative is 640 00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:17,990 like, well, look, it just going to take time for these 641 00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:21,670 quarterbacks to settle in or we got to wait for Dexter Williams 642 00:32:21,670 --> 00:32:23,430 to come back. And I have two responses to 643 00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:24,150 that. Hey. 644 00:32:24,690 --> 00:32:29,010 You can't throw away games in the big 10 which is it felt like 645 00:32:29,010 --> 00:32:31,530 that's what Indiana did. You waste a great effort by the 646 00:32:31,530 --> 00:32:35,610 defense because your offense is not ready for prime time that 647 00:32:35,610 --> 00:32:39,130 that's one issue. The second is, I mean look, I 648 00:32:39,130 --> 00:32:42,410 was more impressed with Tavin Jackson than I thought I'd be, 649 00:32:42,410 --> 00:32:45,570 even given how bad his stats actually looked at the end of 650 00:32:45,570 --> 00:32:48,170 the game and and there was 1 stat and I'm sure you can read 651 00:32:48,170 --> 00:32:50,290 about this in Bite size Bison later, but. 652 00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:55,930 If you look if you look at player usage, Jackson was only 653 00:32:55,930 --> 00:32:58,530 used on 14% of I use offensive plays. 654 00:32:58,530 --> 00:33:00,330 He was really in there to hand the ball off. 655 00:33:00,330 --> 00:33:04,290 By and large, where is Soresby was used more, he was used on 656 00:33:04,290 --> 00:33:07,570 more passing plays. Jackson did have that one nice 657 00:33:07,570 --> 00:33:11,330 pass to Camper, but he also had some throws that didn't look 658 00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:14,170 that great. I don't see either of these guys 659 00:33:14,170 --> 00:33:18,530 as being able at this point to get up to the level that you 660 00:33:18,530 --> 00:33:21,210 would need to be. I you know better than 661 00:33:21,210 --> 00:33:23,610 replacement level Big 10 starting quarterback. 662 00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:27,290 And at least this year, I think in the future different story. 663 00:33:27,290 --> 00:33:29,490 They're both young. They clearly both need a lot of 664 00:33:29,490 --> 00:33:34,290 seasoning and I don't think waiting for Dexter Williams is a 665 00:33:34,570 --> 00:33:38,010 reasonable thing to do because a. 666 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,960 We've had experience recently with players coming back from 667 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,040 major knee injuries and the idea that that he's going to be ready 668 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,320 10 months after that injury happened to go out and run a 669 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,320 triple option attack effectively. 670 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,360 I have my questions about that, Scott, but I also have the more 671 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,680 fundamental question of Okay, What if he is 100% back? 672 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,880 He was, you know, he was in uniform, he wasn't active. 673 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,280 That was a good sign. But even if he's 100% physically 674 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,320 ready. Again, Indiana does not appear 675 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,400 to have a personnel set that is well suited to run the kind of 676 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,159 offense that Tom Allen and Walt Bell apparently want to run. 677 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,800 That's a real concern as we move forward. 678 00:34:19,350 --> 00:34:21,590 I'll take a step back, but I will make one of my favorite 679 00:34:21,590 --> 00:34:22,830 jokes. I was like you know Galen how 680 00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:27,310 many, how many committees are in the Indiana You know university 681 00:34:27,310 --> 00:34:29,270 Sports Hall of Fame. Like not a lot. 682 00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:31,750 And you know we we joked, we joked about this under Kevin 683 00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:33,830 Wilson like when it's like oh gosh you know quarterback guy 684 00:34:33,830 --> 00:34:35,350 committee. I think it was a Trey Roberson 685 00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:37,590 Sudfeld year where it's like we're going to have two. 686 00:34:37,590 --> 00:34:40,590 And those were diametrically opposed to quarterbacks, which 687 00:34:40,590 --> 00:34:45,389 was also a bad idea. I'm I'm nervous not even because 688 00:34:45,389 --> 00:34:51,590 of their play but just I would I'm I'm really parsing my words 689 00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:54,830 here but it's like this is what you do to a fan base when you 690 00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:57,830 you don't name a starter you play games with that and then 691 00:34:57,830 --> 00:35:01,030 you come out and you basic you know you start sores be you have 692 00:35:01,030 --> 00:35:04,310 two kind of you know DOA drives and you bring in Jackson. 693 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:07,950 The offense seems to be moving at least a little bit better And 694 00:35:07,950 --> 00:35:10,750 then it's like you know I I looked at you know the in the 695 00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:15,780 third quarter you know you're now down I think you know 14 to 696 00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:18,660 three or something. It's a really important drive 697 00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:22,260 and you bring stores be back in. Now that drive did go 14 plays 698 00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:26,140 51 yards so you know it did workout but it's like the most 699 00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:28,300 important play you're not going to go with the quarterback who's 700 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:32,940 been play like I just don't know what is our plan for quarterback 701 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:34,620 and are we looking at A2 quarterbacks. 702 00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:37,180 It's not suddenly Tom Allen is named Jackson the starter for 703 00:35:37,180 --> 00:35:38,820 next week. So great, like we're now, we're 704 00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:40,660 now in naming starter mode. But it's like is this going to 705 00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:42,950 be we're going to run Jackson for a while until we need 706 00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:44,950 passing guards and we're going to bring sores be in like it. 707 00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:47,670 It it feels like we're in a platoon quarterback system, 708 00:35:48,110 --> 00:35:53,030 which is not good. And to your point like if we if 709 00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:56,590 if they need seasoning, you know let them have their full season. 710 00:35:56,590 --> 00:35:58,630 Again it's one game. It's Ohio State. 711 00:35:58,630 --> 00:36:01,430 I don't want to take too much out of it, but it does. 712 00:36:01,690 --> 00:36:04,050 It makes me concerned if we're like, hey, we're just going to 713 00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:06,570 platoon until Dexter Williams comes back and then we're going 714 00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:08,490 to bring it. It's like, all of that sounds 715 00:36:08,490 --> 00:36:11,290 like you don't have a plan at all for quarterback. 716 00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:13,610 I'd much rather say, hey man, Jackson's our starter or 717 00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:15,810 Sorosby's are starter. We're going to like we're going 718 00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:16,690 to. We're just going to run with 719 00:36:16,690 --> 00:36:18,050 that. I think more fundamentally, the 720 00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:22,730 problem is Indiana. With all the other things 721 00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:25,850 Indiana has to contend with, with, you know that they're 722 00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:29,840 rebuilding their offensive line. They're, you know, they're 723 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,000 they've they've struggled the last couple of years to have a 724 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,360 functional offense, period. I still think it is baffling 725 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,360 strategically that I you didn't go out and get an experienced 726 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,600 quarterback in the portal and build their offense around that 727 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,520 quarterback. It is so much more efficient to 728 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,600 be able to throw the ball if you can give that quarterback some 729 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,880 degree of pass protection. We heard a bunch about Bob 730 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,960 Bostad, the new offensive line coach. 731 00:36:56,380 --> 00:36:58,820 You know, there's a lot of hope about what that would provide, 732 00:36:59,220 --> 00:37:01,740 you know. So on the one hand, I mean, Tom 733 00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:04,100 Allen in the postgame press conference says, you know, it's 734 00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:07,820 not fair to judge Jackson and sores be based upon what they 735 00:37:07,820 --> 00:37:09,820 played in. So I state 100% agree, yeah. 736 00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:12,570 And. You know, my judgment about them 737 00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:15,410 maybe not being ready for prime time this year is more based on 738 00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:19,810 the idea that, you know, Soresby has barely, had barely a year 739 00:37:19,810 --> 00:37:22,810 and a half of experience at quarterback at the high school 740 00:37:22,810 --> 00:37:24,890 level. And Taven Jackson is clearly 741 00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:27,050 still very raw. Because I think if he was more 742 00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:28,850 polished, he would have been probably wouldn't have 743 00:37:28,850 --> 00:37:31,010 transferred from Tennessee. He would have been in the mix 744 00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:34,010 for starting quarterback there. This is clearly two guys who 745 00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:37,690 have a long way to go and need a system where they can be brought 746 00:37:37,690 --> 00:37:40,820 along gradually. You know, you absolutely, in my 747 00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:44,460 opinion, looking at what Indiana is now trying to do on offense, 748 00:37:44,460 --> 00:37:48,020 you you really had to say what's going to help Indiana the most 749 00:37:48,580 --> 00:37:52,100 offensively to move the ball and to be in games. 750 00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:55,420 And it's not this offense, it's this is this is the wrong 751 00:37:55,420 --> 00:37:57,380 offense. This is an offense that a 752 00:37:57,380 --> 00:38:00,900 Wisconsin that's had Barry Alvarez and then has had, you 753 00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:04,470 know, other people of their ilk. You know, coaching for years and 754 00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:06,790 has built a system up. This is not something you can 755 00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:09,590 just decide to do because you had a couple of good games 756 00:38:09,590 --> 00:38:11,590 running the ball at the end of last season. 757 00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:14,990 You know, forsaking the passing game to the point where you 758 00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:19,070 throw 20 passes total for 82 yards isn't going to get it 759 00:38:19,070 --> 00:38:21,230 done. And I don't buy the idea that 760 00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:23,870 that's Ohio State's. You're the team you're playing 761 00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:27,630 against because. I mean, it should be easier to 762 00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:31,550 throw even short passes against Ohio State than to try to run 763 00:38:31,550 --> 00:38:33,870 the ball into the teeth of that defense. 764 00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:38,990 It just, it feels selfdefeating. And it also feels like, yes, you 765 00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:40,510 know, you're going to move forward, you're going to play a 766 00:38:40,510 --> 00:38:43,670 lot of teams that are not as good as Ohio State, especially 767 00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:45,550 defensively. But I don't see the 768 00:38:45,550 --> 00:38:48,270 infrastructure on this team to win. 769 00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:51,790 Well, you know, many more games with their offense. 770 00:38:51,790 --> 00:38:54,990 I think their defense is going to keep them in more games. 771 00:38:54,990 --> 00:38:58,310 If they play like they played against Ohio State, that's going 772 00:38:58,310 --> 00:39:00,150 to keep them in more games than perhaps I thought. 773 00:39:00,150 --> 00:39:01,790 And that's great. That's encouraging. 774 00:39:01,870 --> 00:39:04,470 But you have to have the offensive side of things up and 775 00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:07,390 running. And the way that they decided 776 00:39:07,390 --> 00:39:10,790 from the end of last season until now to set things up. 777 00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:14,230 I got a lot of questions about what direction they're planning 778 00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:16,870 on going because it doesn't look like a good trajectory right 779 00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:19,000 now. And the last thing I'll say is I 780 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,120 don't, I don't agree with you, but like, I just don't agree 781 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,280 with that idea like it's Ohio State. 782 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,080 What are you going to do? It's like because they, they 783 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,600 basically stop passing for like 1/4 and 1/2, like the end of the 784 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,120 second quarter, all of the third quarter. 785 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,840 Then by the end of the third quarter, like I said, they bring 786 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,920 in stores before that drive. It's 14 plays, 51 yards. 787 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,080 They're, they're passing to the point that on the rate they're 788 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,080 talking, you know, they're they're picking on Ohio State's 789 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,680 second, you know, safety number one. 790 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,840 It's like they they keep on going to that side. 791 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,640 They're getting passes. They're moving the ball. 792 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,610 It's like you can like there is almost a crisis of confidence 793 00:39:48,610 --> 00:39:51,810 with his offense like hey you you like stop looking at Ohio 794 00:39:51,810 --> 00:39:54,810 State as they like you can move the ball like it's still a 10/3 795 00:39:54,810 --> 00:39:57,730 game or 14 three at that time. Like this is not over. 796 00:39:57,730 --> 00:40:01,250 Like move the ball and go score. Like take some shots, but it. 797 00:40:01,450 --> 00:40:06,360 That was the and. Anyway, I think I'm I'm sounding 798 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,800 more negative because I will take a step back like I came 799 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,320 away from this game, you know, thinking like hey, the defense 800 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,000 looks good. The offense has some issues. 801 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,240 But I I'm, I'm concerned because this offense has got to get 802 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:23,390 things figured out, and they have to, they have to open it up 803 00:40:23,470 --> 00:40:26,830 just a little bit more and be willing to take some risks. 804 00:40:26,830 --> 00:40:28,790 And maybe there's some sacks and maybe there's some 805 00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:30,910 interceptions. But that's kind of better than, 806 00:40:30,910 --> 00:40:33,430 like, laying down your king and just saying, you know, hey, 807 00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:36,310 we're we're done. Well, my thing is this, like if 808 00:40:36,310 --> 00:40:38,590 if they, and we don't know this, if they really were pulling 809 00:40:38,590 --> 00:40:41,070 punches and keeping it vanilla because they didn't, they wanted 810 00:40:41,070 --> 00:40:45,030 to save stuff for later. That's stupid, and it's stupider 811 00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:48,590 when it's a 10/3 game at halftime at home against Ohio 812 00:40:48,590 --> 00:40:50,980 State. If the and I maybe that isn't 813 00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:53,500 what they did, but a lot of people have been saying, well, 814 00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:55,820 you know, they didn't want to bring it all they did. 815 00:40:56,220 --> 00:41:00,300 People have said that if that's what happened, that it A, it 816 00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:03,660 fits what's happened here over the last few years and B is 817 00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:06,460 really not smart and really disheartening as a fan. 818 00:41:06,930 --> 00:41:10,650 I'm tired of just acting like we sorry, I You can't compete 819 00:41:10,650 --> 00:41:13,490 against Ohio State or can't compete against Penn State or 820 00:41:13,490 --> 00:41:15,450 Tom Allen. Just wanted to keep the podcast. 821 00:41:15,450 --> 00:41:21,650 Going I'm sure that's I'm sure that was the idea anyway the 822 00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:24,250 other thing I'll mention the other the one other negative 823 00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:29,170 that I I took away and we we've talked about this the last seven 824 00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:33,610 years the the and really longer than that the lack of. 825 00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:36,850 Of discipline and focus in key moments. 826 00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:39,970 The lack of strategic play calling in key moments again 827 00:41:39,970 --> 00:41:42,210 rears its ugly head. Did any of it matter? 828 00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:45,170 Ultimately, where was Indiana going to win if those things 829 00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:48,050 didn't happen? Probably not, but it certainly 830 00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:49,810 didn't help first play of the game. 831 00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:51,930 Sores be. Doesn't know where to throw 832 00:41:51,970 --> 00:41:53,690 their pitch the ball on an option. 833 00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:55,090 They get tackled behind the line. 834 00:41:55,410 --> 00:41:59,690 You know they have a key penalty that negates a good play a 835 00:41:59,690 --> 00:42:04,280 little bit later on. They you you see another penalty 836 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,680 later on which is part of that whole thing that happened at the 837 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,880 end of the first half where Alan like catastrophically mismanages 838 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,840 the clock. You know at that point it's 839 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,600 clear Indiana is trying to run it down there. 840 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,320 It's 7, three. They get a couple of good plays 841 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,000 in a row. Camper that was the camper pass 842 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,600 was earlier, but they had some nice runs up the middle and. 843 00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:31,460 They're in Ohio State territory with under 2 minutes to go and 844 00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:33,540 it's like, well go, this is great, you know, run the clock 845 00:42:33,540 --> 00:42:38,780 down and then leave yourself time to run a few plays, maybe 846 00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:41,460 get into field goal range, maybe you can get it to 76. 847 00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:44,860 They're snapping the ball with 20 seconds left on the play 848 00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:46,700 clock. With the clock running, it's 849 00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:50,620 like what are you doing? They they run a give up play on 850 00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:55,020 3rd down and then Ohio State calls a timeout like you 851 00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:58,110 mentioned earlier. At that point, you punt the ball 852 00:42:58,310 --> 00:43:01,750 because you're you're not in field goal range, you've shown 853 00:43:02,910 --> 00:43:05,230 you've shown no ability to complete a pass. 854 00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:09,350 Instead, Allen decides to opt for a fourth down attempt. 855 00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:13,470 That was not a great play, you know it was, it was essentially 856 00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:16,070 an out pattern by I think, dequees Carter. 857 00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:19,150 And there was no real chance that Jackson was going to be 858 00:43:19,150 --> 00:43:21,190 able to get the ball there, because Ohio State knew what was 859 00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:24,510 coming, and now you've given the ball to Ohio State at midfield 860 00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:28,470 and then you commit. A dumb penalty on the very next 861 00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:31,110 play, another undisciplined penalty. 862 00:43:31,110 --> 00:43:33,550 We see these five or six times a year. 863 00:43:33,830 --> 00:43:37,390 You know this. This team just has a way of 864 00:43:37,390 --> 00:43:39,750 shooting itself in the foot at key moments, whether it's 865 00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:42,550 taunting penalties or personal fouls. 866 00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:46,790 I you got really lucky. And also unlucky they got lucky 867 00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:49,070 that Ohio State wasn't able to drive down and score a 868 00:43:49,070 --> 00:43:51,590 touchdown. They got unlucky that that the 869 00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:55,110 the fumble that wasn't a fumble was called an incomplete pass on 870 00:43:55,110 --> 00:44:00,000 the field. But you know this happens all 871 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,080 the time under Allen and we know that when we say this team is is 872 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,520 not organized well or it's not mentioned the losing to Jaylen 873 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,640 Lucas returns based on a block on the back. 874 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,600 Absolutely different. Two different times the same 875 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:12,720 penalty. I mean you're. 876 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,640 No, I mean I'm, I'm glad you mentioned that because it's not 877 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,000 just one area of the team. It's it's offense, it's defense, 878 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,320 it's special teams. It is endemic to the team. 879 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,890 Yes. That they they make mistakes and 880 00:44:24,970 --> 00:44:28,370 I you as we talked about time and time again does not have the 881 00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:33,050 margin for error to make those mistakes but they always seem to 882 00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:37,490 make them And you know the the game management we've we've 883 00:44:37,610 --> 00:44:40,690 we've criticized Tom Allen about his game management in the past 884 00:44:40,690 --> 00:44:44,250 and this is another example and again I'll reiterate I use not 885 00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:47,950 winning the game if. They play that end of half 886 00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:49,750 differently. That's not the thing that made 887 00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:52,910 the difference. But at that point, if you have 888 00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:55,790 the ability to pin Ohio State deep and go into half seven to 889 00:44:55,790 --> 00:44:59,670 three, if you took the names off, if you took the coaches off 890 00:44:59,710 --> 00:45:04,070 and you just put that stretch of plays, the time that things were 891 00:45:04,070 --> 00:45:06,110 done, the time that things were snapped, you put that down on 892 00:45:06,110 --> 00:45:09,670 paper and you asked a football person, does this make sense, 893 00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:11,550 They would say no, that's idiotic. 894 00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:15,790 That's that's the problem. That we see over and over again. 895 00:45:15,790 --> 00:45:18,470 And I keep waiting for it to get better and it never seems to get 896 00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:20,510 better. The the, the decision. 897 00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:23,270 I mean Gary Danielson, if you go back and watch the broadcast was 898 00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:27,030 aghast when Indiana snapped that ball on 4th down. 899 00:45:27,110 --> 00:45:29,870 He could not believe. And I'm not a big Gary Danielson 900 00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:31,550 guy, but in this case he was correct. 901 00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:35,550 Like what are you doing? So look, we we say every year 902 00:45:35,550 --> 00:45:36,870 they've got to clean that stuff up. 903 00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:38,710 They never do. It always ends up costing them 904 00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:41,030 games. I'm afraid that we've got 905 00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:42,910 another year where that's just part of the equation. 906 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,040 Yeah. No, it's it's true. 907 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,400 And it gets, especially against these top tier teams, it's you 908 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,600 can't have any of that. And like you know the the 909 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,040 taunting penalty was, I don't think it should have been 910 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,190 called. But The thing is like we as 911 00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:57,550 Indiana, you've mentioned this many times like you're just 912 00:45:57,550 --> 00:45:59,070 you're not going to get the benefit of the doubt. 913 00:45:59,070 --> 00:46:01,150 So don't even put yourself close to that situation. 914 00:46:01,150 --> 00:46:02,710 Yeah, like it was a hairline trigger call. 915 00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:04,950 They're not, you know, I I'm talking like, you know they 916 00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:07,470 wouldn't call that in the BCS. You know in the the final 917 00:46:07,470 --> 00:46:09,270 four-game it's like, yeah, but like where are you? 918 00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:11,030 Right. It's like that's like you don't 919 00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:12,910 like, don't even get close to the line. 920 00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:15,510 Anyway, what the last positive I'll say, yeah. 921 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,880 James Evans I mean the the punting from I UI mean it feels 922 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,400 I'm so happy you mentioned it. I mean punts were amazing and 923 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,000 there in real time like dude this guy is crushing it. 924 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,800 I mean to the point that I think in the you know the third 925 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,040 quarter Ohio State had three you know two returns and then the 926 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,280 the the third return in the second quarter they started fair 927 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,360 catching it. It's like I mean it's in that to 928 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,520 me like that's a huge win. It's like you're getting Ohio 929 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,120 State to fair catch punting. They were high they were no his 930 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,880 punting. I'm so happy this punting was. 931 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,480 Unbelievable. I mean, look, I you looks 932 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,040 legitimately good, at least in 2/3 of of the special teams 933 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,760 area. I mean, Jalen Lucas is a punt 934 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,040 returner, is a kick returner. That's that's a big spark and 935 00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,760 that's awesome and I'm glad that they're doing that. 936 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,640 And James Evans, I mean, he had that one that was so long, it 937 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,200 was like a 70 yard punt in the air and he was mad at himself 938 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,800 afterwards because it ended up being a touchback as opposed to, 939 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,280 you know, being something that pinned Ohio State back a little 940 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,140 bit more, but that. Especially with as bad as this 941 00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:17,620 offensive system looks right now that's that's going to keep 942 00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:20,780 Indiana in some games because that will bail them out and put 943 00:47:20,780 --> 00:47:24,300 the onus back on the opposite the on the opposing team's 944 00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:27,700 offense to do some things. And I just didn't want that to 945 00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:31,380 get lost in the mix, that is that is great to see And so I'm 946 00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:34,740 hoping that. I mean, I hoping, I hope Indiana 947 00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:38,220 doesn't have to use James Evans as a an offensive weapon, 948 00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:41,360 essentially, but that. Maybe what they have to do and 949 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,040 at least they have that on the roster. 950 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,160 Great call. So anyway, so coming out of 951 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,760 this, you know, I think we know some things that we didn't know 952 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,600 before. We know Indiana's defense has 953 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,040 the capability of playing at a pretty high level. 954 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,400 We know right now Indiana's offense apparently does not. 955 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,040 That could get slightly better. But as we mentioned, I'm not 956 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,480 sure with this system offensively that they've chosen 957 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,360 to go with if that's really plausible. 958 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,400 And you know, I think. Again, it goes back to what I 959 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,720 said at the very beginning of the podcast. 960 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,080 If you're a negative person, you're going to take some things 961 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,200 out of this and that'll cause you to be more negative. 962 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,240 If you're a positive person, you're going to take things out 963 00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:19,040 of this and that's going to make you more positive. 964 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,680 You know, I think the the trap a lot of I U fans, ourselves 965 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,160 included, fall into is we see one thing succeed against a good 966 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:31,680 opponent and we assume that I U will play at that high level for 967 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,440 the rest of the season. And that is rarely how it 968 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,840 actually happens. And so. 969 00:48:36,210 --> 00:48:38,530 You know, it's it's one thing for the defense in the first 970 00:48:38,530 --> 00:48:41,730 game of the season against the top five rated opponent to play 971 00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:43,850 as well as it did. I'd love to think that they'll 972 00:48:43,850 --> 00:48:47,490 be able to replicate that against every opponent this 973 00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:49,410 year. I would pump the brakes. 974 00:48:49,410 --> 00:48:53,650 But similarly, it may be that we're overreacting offensively. 975 00:48:53,730 --> 00:48:57,490 It may be that they've got some things that they will work in 976 00:48:57,890 --> 00:49:00,850 that they're able to do. You know where the offense won't 977 00:49:00,850 --> 00:49:03,130 look as putrid as it did in this game. 978 00:49:04,030 --> 00:49:06,270 So I think at this point you can hold your powder. 979 00:49:06,270 --> 00:49:09,230 I just, I'm more worried about the offense because we've seen 980 00:49:09,230 --> 00:49:12,670 the offense not be effective now for a couple of years in a row. 981 00:49:12,670 --> 00:49:15,390 There's a lot more evidence that it will be bad. 982 00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:18,390 Then there is, you know, evidence that it's going to be 983 00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:22,550 good and you know it. So at this point we'll see how 984 00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:24,790 it plays out. But anyway, that's kind of my 985 00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:28,510 final thoughts on the game. Anything left from you on the 986 00:49:28,510 --> 00:49:30,280 game itself? No. 987 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,400 I mean we probably sounded more, I probably sounded more 988 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,600 pessimistic than I really was. You know, I I said beginning of 989 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,440 the season and I still stand by it. 990 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,880 You're just you're not going to take much out of this game and 991 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,520 next week's game. And you know we we played it and 992 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,600 there's obviously things to take out of it, but I think you're 993 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,320 dead on. It's like the the offense 994 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,760 probably isn't going to look this bad the rest of the season. 995 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,360 I hope the defense looks similarly good, but it's like 996 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,000 you know Ohio State is just a different team. 997 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:02,350 I just I my biggest take away is like it it it felt like we went 998 00:50:02,350 --> 00:50:06,190 into the game already being like the it's Ohio State we can't win 999 00:50:06,190 --> 00:50:10,070 and then the the game presents itself as an opportunity where 1000 00:50:10,070 --> 00:50:12,790 it was a really close game and it didn't feel like we had we 1001 00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:14,790 were ready to like take advantage of that. 1002 00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:21,390 But I'm I'm not as negative as I probably sounded on this pod. 1003 00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:23,430 The only thing I will say going in the next week, that'll just 1004 00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:27,040 be a little bit like grading to me is if against Indiana State 1005 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,240 we start running a bunch of random, you know, crazy throw 1006 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:30,880 plays and you know, passing plays and stuff. 1007 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,760 It's like any of these would have been fun to watch last week 1008 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,240 against Ohio State but but in the end, you know, you equipped 1009 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,720 yourself well against Ohio State. 1010 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:42,400 You kept it under the spread. You look good, nobody got 1011 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,520 injured. You know, hopefully they can 1012 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,360 clean things up a little bit and. 1013 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,320 It's funny, I generally agree. I'm a little more concerned 1014 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:52,960 about the offense, I think, longterm. 1015 00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,260 Because of this game. So I, you know, I don't think 1016 00:50:56,260 --> 00:50:58,260 it's an overreaction. I think if you score 3 points 1017 00:50:58,260 --> 00:51:03,860 and have 153, I know. But I also think that of the two 1018 00:51:03,860 --> 00:51:08,260 teams, you know, both of them leave this game with some big 1019 00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:11,220 question marks. And and if I'm Ohio State, I'm 1020 00:51:11,220 --> 00:51:14,180 looking at at the way I performed against an Indiana 1021 00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:16,060 team that couldn't do anything offensively. 1022 00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:20,260 And I only scored 23 points. I only won by 20. 1023 00:51:20,730 --> 00:51:24,610 That is not going to get the job done if you are Ohio State 1024 00:51:24,610 --> 00:51:28,330 against what you've got to face this year and that's that's 1025 00:51:28,330 --> 00:51:29,890 going to be really fascinating to watch. 1026 00:51:29,890 --> 00:51:32,290 Now they get a couple of really easy games, but they got to go 1027 00:51:32,290 --> 00:51:34,970 to Notre Dame on the 23rd of September. 1028 00:51:35,570 --> 00:51:38,250 You know that's immediately you're going to be presented 1029 00:51:38,250 --> 00:51:40,490 with a team that's going to give you some problems and you're 1030 00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:43,450 going to have to score against. And I don't know, given what we 1031 00:51:43,450 --> 00:51:45,410 saw out of Ohio State, if they're going to be able to rise 1032 00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:48,050 to that occasion. So we'll see. 1033 00:51:48,050 --> 00:51:51,010 I mean, you know, if I'm looking at their schedule right now, I'm 1034 00:51:51,010 --> 00:51:55,170 like, God, you know, at Notre Dame, at Wisconsin, at Michigan, 1035 00:51:55,170 --> 00:52:00,450 you got Penn State at home, This was not a good. 1036 00:52:01,210 --> 00:52:03,290 Showing by a team. I don't. 1037 00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:04,570 I'm not worried. They'll be fine. 1038 00:52:04,570 --> 00:52:06,970 Yeah, we'll see. I I would really, if I'm them. 1039 00:52:06,970 --> 00:52:08,570 I'm really worried about my quarterback situation. 1040 00:52:09,050 --> 00:52:10,850 Yeah. Anyway, my Indiana. 1041 00:52:11,090 --> 00:52:14,890 So just in general, rest of the experience, how was your time 1042 00:52:14,890 --> 00:52:16,690 out at Memorial Stadium yesterday? 1043 00:52:17,140 --> 00:52:19,180 It was great. Ohio State fans were were there 1044 00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:20,540 plentiful, but they were all pretty nice. 1045 00:52:20,540 --> 00:52:22,420 You know, I think they had the same feeling going in. 1046 00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:26,580 I did a tailgate and I was thinking it's very you know, my 1047 00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:30,740 analogy is and this is probably too close to real life too like 1048 00:52:30,740 --> 00:52:32,980 I'm very much like the guy who hasn't worked out in a while 1049 00:52:32,980 --> 00:52:35,820 going into the gym and just, you know, trying to throw a couple 1050 00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:37,060 weights around, doing it lightly. 1051 00:52:37,060 --> 00:52:39,200 And it's like you could make fun of that guy. 1052 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,440 On the flip side, you could be like, hey man, at least he's 1053 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,320 here and he's doing something. And so my tailgate was very 1054 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,920 small. We have a little, we know, Weber 1055 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,520 cue, we did hot dogs and chips and had some store, bought 1056 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,440 cookies. I brought everything except for 1057 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,280 I forgot a table. I even made a list last year of 1058 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,280 things I need to bring. I didn't reference the list. 1059 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,160 So that's bad coaching on on my part. 1060 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,880 But no, we had a great time. We made some hot dogs, brought a 1061 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,840 game of washers. We were playing there, had a 1062 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,440 tent, had some chairs, had a really good timing. 1063 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,920 Very, very small. I was, I was thinking I had you 1064 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,920 in my head of like what? What can we do that we don't 1065 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,480 need plates and forks and so you know dogs and brats and drinks 1066 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,440 and chips kept it real small. But we don't we had a great 1067 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,480 time. The atmosphere was great. 1068 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,400 The weather was great. Everybody was was having a 1069 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,760 really good time. And so I was definitely the the 1070 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,360 guy in the gym that you could make fun of. 1071 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,840 But my I look at it much more is like, hey man, at least I'm out 1072 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,840 there and I'm trying. I mean, that's that's what 1073 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,240 matters. That was a tough game. 1074 00:53:33,870 --> 00:53:37,110 To do that in, you know, I mean it like it was a hot like the 1075 00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:41,190 the conditions we didn't get to tailgate yesterday for instance. 1076 00:53:41,230 --> 00:53:43,150 And I was. I mean it was soupy. 1077 00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:46,230 The moment that we it was it was hot and in our, you know, my 1078 00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:49,230 original, sorry, you know the fans to break the veil. 1079 00:53:49,390 --> 00:53:52,590 My original plan was we'll get there at like 1231 o'clock, 1080 00:53:52,590 --> 00:53:55,430 which we did set up. We'll have a couple hours to 1081 00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:57,390 tailgate. We'll go in and then we'll 1082 00:53:57,390 --> 00:53:59,230 probably leave at halftime. It's kind of my thought again, 1083 00:53:59,230 --> 00:54:01,390 I'm not a fair weather fan. I have a 10 to 7 year old. 1084 00:54:01,390 --> 00:54:05,060 It's hot that, you know part of my experience is based on their 1085 00:54:05,060 --> 00:54:07,380 experience and how much they want to stay. 1086 00:54:08,060 --> 00:54:10,540 And at half time I look at my wife and I was like we should be 1087 00:54:10,540 --> 00:54:12,340 leaving by now. Like we're not because it's 10, 1088 00:54:12,340 --> 00:54:13,700 three. Like I'm not leaving. 1089 00:54:13,860 --> 00:54:17,180 I stayed through the third quarter into the 4th, which the 1090 00:54:17,220 --> 00:54:20,220 the boys were less than enthusiastic about, We'll say 1091 00:54:20,220 --> 00:54:23,340 after a long day. But yeah that was my original 1092 00:54:23,340 --> 00:54:25,260 plan. But no, we I we had a great 1093 00:54:25,260 --> 00:54:25,820 time. It was. 1094 00:54:25,860 --> 00:54:26,820 It was awesome. Good. 1095 00:54:27,260 --> 00:54:29,220 No, it looked like a good time. I mean, some people were 1096 00:54:29,220 --> 00:54:30,740 complaining about the lack of attendance. 1097 00:54:30,740 --> 00:54:33,940 I mean, first of all, you know, the, the reported attendance was 1098 00:54:33,940 --> 00:54:37,020 50,000 with great when the game started. 1099 00:54:37,020 --> 00:54:38,460 Yeah. No, I mean, you know, the the 1100 00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:40,820 beginning shots, there were some openings in the corners. 1101 00:54:40,820 --> 00:54:43,540 It was real hot up there from the people that I talked to. 1102 00:54:44,820 --> 00:54:47,580 I thought, look, I thought Indiana fans showed out an 1103 00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:48,900 e-mail. They let you bring in water. 1104 00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:52,020 Yeah, no, it was. It was a nice adaptation from 1105 00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:54,460 the Cincinnati game a couple years ago when there was no 1106 00:54:54,460 --> 00:54:56,620 water and people just were baking. 1107 00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:59,550 In the stands. So what's going on at Coachella 1108 00:54:59,550 --> 00:55:01,030 right now? Go out there. 1109 00:55:01,030 --> 00:55:05,190 It's Burning Man. But yes, yeah, actually, I like 1110 00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:07,550 the idea of an I U football Burning Man. 1111 00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:10,950 We got to figure let's workshop how we set that up moving 1112 00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:12,830 forward. Can we get the doc The doc deal. 1113 00:55:12,830 --> 00:55:14,670 We can do the Like the Fire Festival Fire. 1114 00:55:14,830 --> 00:55:18,830 Fire Yeah No. I U Football 2023 by Crimson 1115 00:55:18,830 --> 00:55:20,550 Cast via Home Field. Yeah, I like that. 1116 00:55:20,550 --> 00:55:23,270 Yeah, the Fire Fire Fest, that's, that's what we want to 1117 00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:25,670 aspire to is you heard there's another one of those coming. 1118 00:55:25,830 --> 00:55:27,990 I did, yeah. Tremendous. 1119 00:55:28,750 --> 00:55:31,190 We should do that together and vlog it just to see, you know, 1120 00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:33,350 how it goes. But anyway, that's good to hear. 1121 00:55:34,110 --> 00:55:39,270 I mean, overall, you know, for for I U, these these home games 1122 00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:41,070 are tough. People freak out about playing 1123 00:55:41,070 --> 00:55:42,950 Ohio State. People freak out about it being 1124 00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:45,230 hot outside. There's not really Indiana. 1125 00:55:45,230 --> 00:55:47,470 Of all the schools in the Big 10, I feel like might have the 1126 00:55:47,470 --> 00:55:52,790 worst kind of. Home game weather set up because 1127 00:55:52,790 --> 00:55:55,870 it's generally along with Maryland probably the hottest 1128 00:55:55,870 --> 00:56:01,070 but Maryland has no culture you know so I you you're you're 1129 00:56:01,070 --> 00:56:03,670 trying to tailgate and it's baking hot for the first three 1130 00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:06,750 weeks of the of the season and then it's nice for like 3 weeks 1131 00:56:07,110 --> 00:56:10,230 and then it's insanely cold and awful and rainy the rest of the 1132 00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:13,710 time it's it's just it's a bad set up but it was nice to see 1133 00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:16,710 the number of people that went out there and and part hook in 1134 00:56:16,990 --> 00:56:20,170 not just the tailgating. You know, from what I was 1135 00:56:20,170 --> 00:56:23,010 getting from people, but also the game itself and the fact 1136 00:56:23,010 --> 00:56:25,610 that people stuck around as long as they did, given how inept 1137 00:56:25,610 --> 00:56:28,610 Indiana's offense was and how, you know, really by the time 1138 00:56:28,610 --> 00:56:31,610 Ohio State scored that first from that first drive in the 1139 00:56:31,610 --> 00:56:35,450 third quarter, you kind of knew that where this was going, like 1140 00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:37,450 Indiana was just showing no signs of life. 1141 00:56:37,810 --> 00:56:41,490 I thought the crowd you know did what they could for as long as 1142 00:56:41,490 --> 00:56:44,170 they could before it kind of became inevitable that what they 1143 00:56:44,170 --> 00:56:46,570 were doing wasn't going to make a huge amount of difference. 1144 00:56:47,170 --> 00:56:49,690 I I completely agree I've. Yeah. 1145 00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:55,130 The the crowd it's it's at some point you know you you can't the 1146 00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:57,650 argument is you know it's 2:50 I know we weren't going to talk 1147 00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:59,810 about it but now we are you know it's like I'll be real quick. 1148 00:56:59,970 --> 00:57:02,450 You know it's like it is 2:50 it is Ohio State. 1149 00:57:02,450 --> 00:57:04,410 It is a beautiful day. It's a hot day it's a nice day. 1150 00:57:04,610 --> 00:57:06,250 So. So all of those should should 1151 00:57:06,250 --> 00:57:08,090 you know people shouldn't leave like you're there. 1152 00:57:08,410 --> 00:57:11,810 I I do understand that in a vacuum like for this game like 1153 00:57:11,810 --> 00:57:13,090 yes. Ten to three against the number 1154 00:57:13,090 --> 00:57:16,410 three team in the country. But it's like, that is forsaking 1155 00:57:16,410 --> 00:57:19,770 30 years of baggage that most fans have where it's like, I've 1156 00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:23,130 seen this movie 30 times and let you know what's going to change. 1157 00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:26,730 It's funny, I had a kid sitting behind me who's like, you love 1158 00:57:26,730 --> 00:57:28,050 this. He's like a student with his 1159 00:57:28,050 --> 00:57:29,850 parents. But he's like, you know, talk 1160 00:57:29,850 --> 00:57:31,810 about how he went to the Ohio State, Michigan game last year. 1161 00:57:31,810 --> 00:57:33,210 It was awesome. And he's like, I just, I want to 1162 00:57:33,210 --> 00:57:34,770 change the culture here. Like, I'm going to change the 1163 00:57:34,770 --> 00:57:35,890 culture. We're going to make it better 1164 00:57:35,890 --> 00:57:37,690 here. I'm thinking like, hey, like 1165 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,880 yeah, that was me 20 years ago, man. 1166 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,040 So like hope you have a better 20 year run than I did. 1167 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,480 I started a podcast. What are you gonna do? 1168 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,440 That's right. But you know my other thing is 1169 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,360 like all it's gonna change is wins. 1170 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,040 It's like it really is very easy. 1171 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,080 Like you know how you change all this? 1172 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,920 You know, you get fans stick around like you win the games. 1173 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,160 Now the hard part is how do you get this team to win? 1174 00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,640 I don't know the answer to that, but like how do you change the 1175 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,800 culture is super easy. Like put together 10 plus years 1176 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,090 of winning 10 plus games. It's all going to it that that's 1177 00:58:05,090 --> 00:58:07,410 going to change everything. Like that's the answer. 1178 00:58:07,410 --> 00:58:09,370 But anyway that that's my thought. 1179 00:58:09,370 --> 00:58:11,770 It's like yes, this in a vacuum people probably should have 1180 00:58:11,770 --> 00:58:15,890 stayed but most people have seen this movie a million times and 1181 00:58:16,170 --> 00:58:18,410 unfortunately once again like the the movie ended the same 1182 00:58:18,410 --> 00:58:20,290 way. So at some point in the end even 1183 00:58:20,290 --> 00:58:23,530 if I you were to win this game it's like the next time it's not 1184 00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:26,530 it's it's going to take multiple times of them winning games like 1185 00:58:26,530 --> 00:58:28,130 this. But again I hate this 1186 00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:29,050 conversation. It's like. 1187 00:58:29,170 --> 00:58:32,730 No, but well, look, ultimately I and we've talked about it many 1188 00:58:32,730 --> 00:58:34,810 times. You know, ultimately the big 1189 00:58:34,810 --> 00:58:41,450 issue that I have with it is you have to stop blaming the fans 1190 00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:45,690 when I U gives them no reason to stay in the stands. 1191 00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:49,250 Now there have been games when, you know, fans have left early 1192 00:58:49,730 --> 00:58:52,450 and then I U has managed to stay in it, but they almost always 1193 00:58:52,450 --> 00:58:56,690 lose those games, you know. So ultimately, you know, I U 1194 00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:59,330 went or yeah, they went through this big thing this summer where 1195 00:58:59,330 --> 00:59:02,790 they sent out this marketing. You know survey about the 1196 00:59:02,790 --> 00:59:07,270 Memorial Stadium experience and which is a whole other podcast 1197 00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:12,310 but but you know the the the idea of improving the culture at 1198 00:59:12,310 --> 00:59:15,470 I U Games. It really all comes down to 1199 00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:18,710 you've got to win these games or at least be close like give 1200 00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:21,270 people something that feels competitive. 1201 00:59:21,550 --> 00:59:25,630 Just the score being close is not a good enough metric for 1202 00:59:25,630 --> 00:59:28,150 whether or not people should stay in the stands, because if 1203 00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:30,670 the atmosphere around the game is one of. 1204 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,720 Well, yeah, we're close. But the chances of Indiana 1205 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,720 actually pulling something off are minimal because they've 1206 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:42,200 shown no actual, like, ability to get close closer than what 1207 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,680 they're currently at. You know, that's the problem as 1208 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,280 far as I see it. You're you're asking people? 1209 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,800 To take on faith things that they are at this point probably 1210 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,320 long since having having given up on in terms of reality. 1211 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,400 And so I just I look at it and I say to myself ultimately you're 1212 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,400 you're going to have to just win one of these games at some point 1213 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,080 or or still be competitive and trade scores. 1214 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,800 I mean, we've, I remember back was that I think it was 2010, 1215 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,800 that Michigan game against, you know, when Ben Chappell was the 1216 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,740 quarterback. People didn't leave that game. 1217 01:00:15,740 --> 01:00:17,500 Why? Because both teams are 1218 01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:18,740 happening. People are driving down the 1219 01:00:18,740 --> 01:00:20,740 field. Stuff was happening to expect 1220 01:00:20,740 --> 01:00:23,740 people to sit all the way through the fourth quarter. 1221 01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:27,620 When you've never really won a game like this, you know against 1222 01:00:27,620 --> 01:00:30,380 this level of opponent, when fans are in the stands, at least 1223 01:00:30,380 --> 01:00:35,600 not in recent memory, is a bit of an unfair ask, I think. 1224 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,160 And I agree and and I sorry, the last thing I'll say is like the 1225 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,400 other like, yes, Penn State with Michigan, we won those games in 1226 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,640 2020. There weren't fans, but it's 1227 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,040 like you won those games. But like it wasn't like the 1228 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,200 Pennix play. You know, if that was this game, 1229 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,100 it's like that that wasn't the. The first time they were in the 1230 01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:53,780 red zone, like they had done other things that game. 1231 01:00:53,780 --> 01:00:56,580 Like this is a game where like literally, you know, I'm okay 1232 01:00:56,580 --> 01:00:58,740 with people leaving because it look like at times the offense 1233 01:00:58,740 --> 01:01:00,820 didn't want to be the. It's like like they're just 1234 01:01:00,820 --> 01:01:02,140 comatose. Like you're never in the red 1235 01:01:02,140 --> 01:01:05,820 zone. Indiana went past the Ohio State 1236 01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:09,100 40 yard line twice in the whole game. 1237 01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:11,460 They they they got to the 24 on the field. 1238 01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:12,900 Plays. Did they run when they got 1239 01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:13,300 there? Right? 1240 01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:16,360 Exactly. So after a while, people can't 1241 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,440 just sit there hoping and waiting for something to happen. 1242 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,440 Something actually has to happen. 1243 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,320 And that that's a key thing anyway. 1244 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,720 Anything else, Scott, before we wrap up for the show? 1245 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,440 No, I mean I I don't you know, we we may or may not talk before 1246 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,520 Indiana State. You know I I think that is just 1247 01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,720 a completely classic like you just got to win. 1248 01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,480 Like it would be really nice to put them away. 1249 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,520 I, I know it's like you don't want to be in the same thing 1250 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,600 with Idaho you had last year where it's like wow we're really 1251 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,760 going to you know piss this game away and lose it. 1252 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,000 Like this Indiana State team. I think they lost like 20 to 1253 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,960 nothing. Yes, last week or something. 1254 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,270 You know it's. But to me it's like it would be 1255 01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:52,350 really nice to put them away. I just think it doesn't matter. 1256 01:01:52,350 --> 01:01:55,590 You just obviously you got to win that game and I don't think 1257 01:01:55,590 --> 01:01:58,310 style points matter. It would be nice to not be in a 1258 01:01:58,310 --> 01:02:02,230 game with them but that's what you have to do is you have to be 1259 01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:04,710 one-on-one going into a little well, not only actually I do 1260 01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:07,510 think style points matter because at this point I think 1261 01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:12,670 the onus is on the team to demonstrate that offensively 1262 01:02:12,990 --> 01:02:15,790 that this was somehow some kind of an aberration as opposed to 1263 01:02:15,790 --> 01:02:18,430 reality. You know if if they go out. 1264 01:02:18,430 --> 01:02:21,870 And so for instance last year we tried to explain away the Idaho 1265 01:02:21,870 --> 01:02:26,390 game by saying oh you know the weather was bad and you know 1266 01:02:26,910 --> 01:02:30,310 that it was tough for anybody to get anything going in that game. 1267 01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:35,070 When in reality that was a great indicator of what actually I U 1268 01:02:35,070 --> 01:02:37,750 was going to be like on offense for most of the season. 1269 01:02:37,950 --> 01:02:40,710 They were not able to get things going until the second-half. 1270 01:02:41,550 --> 01:02:46,270 You know the IT was not a situation where I U just had a 1271 01:02:46,270 --> 01:02:48,510 bad game. That was their offense for most 1272 01:02:48,510 --> 01:02:51,710 of the year. And what worries me if you don't 1273 01:02:51,710 --> 01:02:55,870 go and really blow out Indiana State, you know you don't show 1274 01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:58,470 some teeth on offense. You don't show the ability to 1275 01:02:58,470 --> 01:03:01,070 throw the ball effectively. You don't show the ability to be 1276 01:03:01,070 --> 01:03:03,150 effective in this running game that you've now committed the 1277 01:03:03,150 --> 01:03:06,340 program to. That to me is a big red flag 1278 01:03:06,340 --> 01:03:09,340 going into Louisville. Because the idea a that you 1279 01:03:09,340 --> 01:03:10,980 would at this point hold things back. 1280 01:03:11,060 --> 01:03:12,140 You don't need to hold things back. 1281 01:03:12,140 --> 01:03:16,260 You need the guys to get reps in game situations running what 1282 01:03:16,260 --> 01:03:19,820 they're running. The subterfuge, you know, I the 1283 01:03:19,820 --> 01:03:21,660 subterfuge didn't work against Ohio State. 1284 01:03:21,860 --> 01:03:24,700 It didn't the all the subterfuge was around who was going to 1285 01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:26,220 start at quarterback and guess what? 1286 01:03:26,380 --> 01:03:30,380 It didn't kick her and it didn't work because Indiana scored 1287 01:03:30,380 --> 01:03:34,050 three points and had 153 yards of offense and couldn't throw 1288 01:03:34,050 --> 01:03:36,970 the ball. And you can talk about how will 1289 01:03:36,970 --> 01:03:39,330 all these different programs, you know, they hide who they're 1290 01:03:39,330 --> 01:03:41,050 starting and this and that. Fine. 1291 01:03:41,210 --> 01:03:43,570 It didn't help. That's, that's the whole point. 1292 01:03:43,570 --> 01:03:46,130 It didn't help to not start. Name a starting quarterback. 1293 01:03:46,330 --> 01:03:48,530 It may just be that you don't have a starting quarterback, 1294 01:03:48,610 --> 01:03:52,730 which is a problem, and that's not something that you can hide. 1295 01:03:52,890 --> 01:03:55,770 And so my thought on this is you better not hide things by not 1296 01:03:55,770 --> 01:03:57,210 running them against Indiana State. 1297 01:03:57,450 --> 01:04:00,490 You need to give your team game practice because they clearly 1298 01:04:00,490 --> 01:04:02,650 are not comfortable yet running this. 1299 01:04:02,650 --> 01:04:06,130 And if they were, they wouldn't have only accrued 153 offensive 1300 01:04:06,130 --> 01:04:08,730 yards against Ohio State. So that's my hope is that what 1301 01:04:08,730 --> 01:04:13,080 we see is Indiana goes out and hang 60 on Indiana State. 1302 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,280 Not because I dislike Indiana State, but because I really want 1303 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,760 Indiana to feel confident in their offense. 1304 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,840 Because I don't know if you watch that Louisville, Georgia 1305 01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,720 Tech game over the weekend, Scott, or actually I guess it 1306 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,920 was Thursday, Louisville. It took a little bit of time for 1307 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,880 them to get going and once they did, they look real scary. 1308 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,440 You go out and you do 153 yards off. 1309 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,990 It's against Louisville. You're going to be hurt. 1310 01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:38,150 You do double that. You're probably still going to 1311 01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:40,550 lose because you're not going to be able to keep up with 1312 01:04:40,550 --> 01:04:43,710 Louisville offensively. So that's that's my big want 1313 01:04:43,870 --> 01:04:46,750 going into this week. Take the brakes off, focus 1314 01:04:46,750 --> 01:04:49,070 everything. Worry less about hiding things, 1315 01:04:49,070 --> 01:04:52,550 and worry more about getting your players comfortable with 1316 01:04:52,550 --> 01:04:55,070 this system that you're asking them to run, I guess for the 1317 01:04:55,070 --> 01:04:57,180 whole season. Well said. 1318 01:04:57,180 --> 01:04:59,980 All right, working at on that point, last thing we'll say, 1319 01:05:00,260 --> 01:05:02,540 just a reminder, if you've made it this long, that must mean you 1320 01:05:02,540 --> 01:05:05,180 like Crimson Cast. 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