1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,600 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:23,720 Field Apparel. Hi, welcome back to Crimson 3 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,240 Casket, Clavio, Scott Caulfield joining you. 4 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,080 It is the 31st of January. Scott, we're already done with 5 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,280 the month. Kind of hard to believe but. 6 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,480 We're about to hit that stretch where we go like we we, we're 7 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:38,160 going to look up. It'll be the Super Bowl. 8 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,280 You know, we'll get our Taylor Swift moments. 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,320 All the Swifties can be like you literally like after the Super 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,320 Bowl. So you look up, it's like, oh, 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,080 you know, spring training for those who remember. 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,760 But it's like, oh like be like 3 weeks left, the Big 10 season 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,840 and the Big 10 tournaments coming and then it's like the 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,280 NCAA tournament. Then you get the Masters and 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,800 IndyCar. It's like we are about to hit 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,840 that stretch. Yeah, it's this is my favorite 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,360 time of the year. Those of you who have listened 18 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,160 to the podcast for long enough know that, like this stretch 19 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:05,160 from the Super Bowl to really the Indy 500 is my favorite set 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,920 of sporting events and we'll see what happens with IU. 21 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,120 As part of that we're going to talk about obviously the game 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:18,040 yesterday as Indiana knocks off Iowa a a costly victory in a 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,360 bunch of ways, but certainly an interesting one. 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,920 And we'll also talk a little bit about what we got coming up this 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,080 weekend, which I will start off by talking about this time. 26 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,480 For those of you who are not aware, we are going to be live 27 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,720 at the Upstairs pub in Bloomington. 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,080 I will be getting there probably around 11 AMI. 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,400 Think Scott's getting there sometime around the same time 30 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,400 we'll be there for the Penn State game. 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,680 You can come up and talk with us if you want to. 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,040 You don't have, you're not required to by any means are we? 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,880 We're caged animals that you can bring us food. 34 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,720 You can throw us, throw us pretzel bites. 35 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,360 That's right. Come, come, come throw like an 36 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,720 orange at Scott and and and watch him eat it. 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,720 No, but we'll be there during the game. 38 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,640 It's promising a lot for me. And then after the game we'll 39 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,600 have the rest of our friends from the back home network 40 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,200 joining us at upstairs as assembly call will be coming in 41 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,680 and doing their live post game show. 42 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,080 We'll be participating in that as well and you get a chance to 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,440 meet a bunch of the folks that you hear on the network. 44 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,280 So if you're in town or if you're coming in town for the 45 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,520 game, you know whether or not you've got tickets, we'd love to 46 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,960 see you out there being sponsored by Hard Truth 47 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,480 Distillery, Indiana's largest distillery, one of my favorites. 48 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,840 They're based over in Nashville. 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Oh, I just heard the ACC is 92 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,040 calling a foul on home field for getting that close to Duke. 93 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,000 So they the home field, one foul already. 94 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,520 They're home field in the bonus. There are Dukes in the bonus on 95 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,480 home field. Yeah, sorry I messed. 96 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,000 That up Hope Field might foul out. 97 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:43,120 This is this is terrible. Anyway, looking forward to 98 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,960 enjoying all of your company and and hopefully we'll see you out 99 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,520 in your home field. Garrett upstairs. 100 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,160 Let's go ahead Scott and jump right in and talk about the game 101 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,720 last night. That was quite a contest. 102 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,800 Indiana taking on Iowa and this was a game that Iowa was 103 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,240 actually slightly favored in going into the game. 104 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,280 Indiana came out and looked pretty good, like right off the 105 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:09,360 bat established a big lead and and it really looked like Iowa 106 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,880 was going to kind of sink into oblivion. 107 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,920 At one point Indiana was on a 12 nothing run. 108 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:18,200 They led 31 to 15, they led 35 to 19. 109 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,280 But it was one of those games that it it felt like it was 110 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:26,920 cursed in a lot of ways. You know, Malik Renew goes down 111 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,800 and and kind of a quasi non contact injury never comes back. 112 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,360 We saw him on crutches at one point, but he was basically gone 113 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,440 the rest of the game. And then there was that 114 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,800 terrifying moment close to the end of the game where Xavier 115 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,440 Johnson, it looked like he fell and and broke something 116 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,200 significant. Early reports are maybe it was 117 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,520 not nearly that bad, but it certainly looked awful and it 118 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,120 kind of felt like between those items and Indiana squandering 119 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,560 the lead that they had built up, and Iowa even taking the lead a 120 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,520 couple of times, that this was another game where Indiana just 121 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,760 wasn't going to measure up. However, but despite the odds 122 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,880 and despite the momentum, Indiana figured out a way to win 123 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,280 this one. They get some clutch play out of 124 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,240 Anthony Leal, who had the game of his life in an Indiana 125 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,960 uniform. They get an incredible 126 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,200 performance out of a very hobbled Khalil Ware and they end 127 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,600 up coming away with a 7468 victory at home. 128 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,480 Scott, I mean your overall impressions from that game like 129 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,640 what it what, how was it and and what was your what did you come 130 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:30,480 away with? Yeah. 131 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,600 I mean I was I was there and I'm sitting right kind of by the 132 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,440 where Xavier went down like right by that basket and it was 133 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,080 that was a tough hit. I hope. 134 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:41,280 I hope he can come back. It's just that guy's been not 135 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:43,280 had good injury luck. No. 136 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:45,920 I mean expanding on a lot of the things that you talked about. 137 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,040 You know that was a game where it's it's frustrating because 138 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,840 you know we're up like you know 15, almost 20 in the first half 139 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:56,240 and it's like you just know like this I I don't see us cruising 140 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,440 to a 30 point victory like you just you you had a feeling Iowa 141 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,960 was going to came come back, they came back and they actually 142 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,360 took the lead. I think it's like 6566 they took 143 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,480 the lead at one point and it's like oh God, yeah, once you 144 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,200 cross that, that threshold, sometimes that's like almost too 145 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,000 much to mentally come back from. You've got to give this team 146 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,640 played hard. They they fought through. 147 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,760 There was a lot of moments where it could have been like man, 148 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,040 like I was coming back and Xavier goes down. 149 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,200 Like you could just not saying you folded up but you could have 150 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,520 seen like understanding why. But you know if I would have 151 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,960 told you if you had you know Clutch 3 by Gabe Cups on your 152 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,920 bingo card to win the game. I I think a lot of people 153 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,160 wouldn't have had that. But he came up huge. 154 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,760 Like you mentioned, Anthony Leo had the game that I think a lot 155 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,920 of us have been like that's that's what we've kind of been 156 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,480 waiting for out of Leo. Like we know he can shoot 157 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,720 looking to see it. His defense has really improved. 158 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,280 And and yeah, I mean, Khalil Ware, I'm trying to see he had 159 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,480 three blocks, but I mean his block numbers really don't 160 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,960 count, 'cause he gets like 9 or 10 every game where, you know, 161 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,200 like Perkins drives in and it's like, oh, Khalil Ware was there 162 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,680 like I'm going to pass it out. Like a lot of times their people 163 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,720 were going to go up for shots, but they don't. 164 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,120 And call the We need a category for that. 165 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,680 Yeah, like you got weird. How about, how about like, 166 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,080 deterrence? It's like it wasn't, it wasn't a 167 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,880 block. But yeah, he had like, he had 168 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,480 six deterrence in that game. Yeah, and and you know, the only 169 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,080 solace you can take is that, you know, we don't know how long 170 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,720 Renew is going to be out. And don't take this the wrong 171 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,320 way. Like Renew is awesome as well. 172 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,880 But there is a world where we're playing on his own as kind of 173 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,720 the only big guy. You could see how much court he 174 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,400 was able to cover, how much he was able to kind of control that 175 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,960 lane without other people, kind of other defenders being there. 176 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,560 And that's with him obviously still being injured, not having 177 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:45,960 the same kind of lateral quickness. 178 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,520 So he's he's an absolute revelation every, every time you 179 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,840 see him play. But overall to me it was I 180 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,360 walked away with the toughness, the grittiness of that team to 181 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,920 kind of, you know, get punched in the mouth three times, like 182 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,160 two injury punch mouths. And then the, you know, getting 183 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,240 having Iowa come all the way back and take the lead, but but 184 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,320 still come back and and find a way to to grip that out. 185 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,200 To me, that was a big win and really a a must win if you're 186 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,240 going to kind of turn this season around or at least get 187 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,880 the season going in the direction you want it to. 188 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,560 I mean, look, there were it's one of those games where if you 189 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,760 lose your leading scorer in Malik Renew 3 minutes into the 190 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,880 game, which Indiana did, and you lose Khalil Ware or didn't lose 191 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,720 the Khalil Ware. But you know, Khalil Ware wasn't 192 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,440 even sure to play. And you know, we heard before 193 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,480 the game he was going to be unlimited minutes and you lose 194 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,720 your starting point guard and you're playing an Iowa team that 195 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,840 while you know not great is is is certainly a functional 196 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,760 basketball team. I mean, they just won at 197 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,000 Michigan. That's not a great scenario 198 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,000 regardless. And then you add in the problems 199 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,560 that this team has had with kind of playing a full 40 minutes. 200 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:56,440 We've talked about that a lot throughout the course of the 201 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,240 year. But you know, what I take out of 202 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,040 this is kind of, I I guess kind of falls into the following 203 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,120 buckets, The fact that so many people were able to step up and 204 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,360 perform. Anthony Leal deserves all the 205 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,360 credit in the world for coming off the bench when he had to be 206 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:18,280 called playing 2022 minutes in the game, which if I'm not 207 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,320 mistaken, like, you go back and look at Anthony Leal's career. 208 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,480 He's only played that many minutes in an Indiana uniform 209 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,160 twice. He played 35 minutes his 210 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,840 freshman year and then he played 22 minutes against actually 211 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,040 three times. Sorry, still, that's not very 212 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,600 many for a guy who's been at IU as long as he had. 213 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,760 And for him to come in, having not played that much lately and 214 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,440 shoot confidently and just kind of be a calming presence on the 215 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,120 court, I mean, it's a great moment for a guy who hasn't had 216 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,960 the opportunity to have a lot of great moments in Indiana 217 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,360 uniform. He's been through a coaching 218 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,840 change. You know that. 219 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,000 That is one of those. It feels like every player 220 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,800 that's in an IU uniform kind of gets at least one moment like 221 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,560 that. And for him to get that moment 222 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,640 and really be kind of a decisive reason why Indiana wins a tight 223 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,760 game that they might have otherwise lost is really cool to 224 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,200 see. Yeah, no, I mean, you know, 225 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,360 whether it turns into, you know, we get it this, this Anthony 226 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,640 Leo, like this moving forward. Don't know. 227 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,440 But I I agree. It was awesome to see. 228 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,720 But there is a world where like this does it. 229 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,000 It it wasn't like he just completely did something out of 230 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,640 the norm. Like Leo's a good shooter. 231 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,760 Like that's what he came in as. And his shot has always looked 232 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,000 good. I think sometimes he's struggled 233 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,960 with, you know, feeling comfortable taking the shot or 234 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,400 doing with a little bit of pressure in his face. 235 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,400 So there is a world where like this, this does feel like him 236 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,480 going 3 for four or three for five from three on a regular 237 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,160 basis doesn't feel completely out of out of the round. 238 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,200 Plus you saw how how much this, you know, this is kind of where 239 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,200 everyone's been trying to get our offense to do some of this. 240 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,600 You saw like one of his threes was in 100% because he had the 241 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,520 ball he passed into where his defender went to double team 242 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,000 where and it's like where kicked it back. 243 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,800 Leal's wide open and it's like that is that's going to be there 244 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,080 all season because there will be times where teams like we can't 245 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,200 we can't we we we want a double team where it's like well then 246 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,560 you're going to leave Anthony Leal open. 247 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:14,040 And so it's like I there is a world where I do think some of 248 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,800 this could be replicatable moving forward. 249 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,040 Yeah. No, that's the thing. 250 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,760 And that was that feeds into the second point that I was going to 251 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,160 make, which is that out of necessity, Mike Woodson had to 252 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,080 change the way his team approached playing yesterday. 253 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,880 And you know the the stat that sticks out to me about this 254 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,440 game, and I mentioned it on Twitter afterwards, they shot 22 255 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,800 three pointers. They shot as many three pointers 256 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,400 as Iowa shot. They hit two more. 257 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,960 And I'd like to note, Scott, that they won the game by 6 258 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,680 points, which if you take 2-3 pointers and multiply them by 259 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:49,200 the points that you get for the shots that ended up being the 260 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,280 margin of victory. This is a team that if you're 261 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,360 going to take 22 threes and hit eight, you'll take that every 262 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,160 day of the week. Indiana has to moving forward, 263 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,840 especially if Malik Renew is injured. 264 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,080 But even if he's not, you know, with Khalil Ware being hobbled 265 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,840 and also just with the way that this roster is set up right now, 266 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,600 they have to become a bit more perimeter oriented. 267 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,400 We've talked about this over and over again. 268 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,040 The fact that they they shot those threes, it became part of 269 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,600 the offense just kind of made me wonder like what exactly was the 270 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,560 reason why they haven't been doing this up to this point. 271 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:31,280 And I think to some degree this has to be incorporated more down 272 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,760 the line. I mean, I still don't think that 273 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,040 the offense looks great to watch, but there was at least 274 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,880 the threat with those open threes, including that one that 275 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,880 Gabe Cups made at the end of the game that essentially kind of 276 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,240 gave Indiana the final separation that they needed. 277 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,000 Like there was a confidence level coming out of the shooters 278 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:55,440 from three that you haven't seen and that's the thing I hope that 279 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,720 they can replicate with this And you know, so I'm going to let 280 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,760 you talk about that. There's one other style of play 281 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,080 aspect that I want to get to, but any thoughts on that? 282 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,240 Yeah, I mean I, I, I hear you my cat and I I hope that's the 283 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,000 case. My counter would be, as you look 284 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,760 at this season, I haven't gone back and looked at like 285 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,600 previously. If you look at this year like 286 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,920 you know they they go four for 15 against Harvard, they shoot 287 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,760 15 threes. The next two games they only 288 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,920 shoot 9 going 3 for nine against Maryland and Michigan. 289 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,000 It's like you're shooting pretty well to shot more. 290 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,240 They didn't. You see these blips like again 291 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,480 it's northern Alabama. But they did shoot 24 against 292 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,800 Northern Alabama and then kind of start dipping back down only 293 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,120 taking twelve against Ohio State they went, you know they shot 8 294 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,760 for 24 against Purdue very similar to numbers to Iowa. 295 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,400 The next two games they go six for 14 and O for 9:00. 296 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,400 So now I will say when you look at the trend like the beginning 297 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,560 of the year, they're kind of in that 1012 threes a game range. 298 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,160 It is starting to tick up but you do kind of see this you know 299 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,800 824 against Purdue and then two games later you're only shooting 300 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,320 nine against Illinois. Some of that is the teams that 301 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,040 you're playing, some of it schematic, but that that's my 302 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,160 only concern is you have seen these blips where they shoot a 303 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,600 lot of threes and then you go two or three games later and 304 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,400 they're not doing it again. I you hope that the confidence 305 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,640 is there that that makes it grow. 306 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,320 What's and and this is the thing that's important. 307 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,080 It's not just the confidence, but it is the orientation of the 308 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:22,480 offense and you know, so many complaints that we've voiced 309 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,920 over the course of the season. And and it's not just us. 310 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,920 There's others as well have been. 311 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,720 Why does it feel like the three pointer is a shot of last resort 312 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,240 for the offense? And it did feel like when when 313 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,240 the chips were down yesterday that Indiana was starting to 314 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,120 move the ball better out of necessity because they didn't 315 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,520 have the crutch of throwing the ball in the post to Malik Renew 316 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,800 to rely on. I think the trick and hopefully 317 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,040 Malik is fine and and he'll be back in in action soon. 318 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,640 The the trick is can you leverage having Malik renew 319 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,520 who's a really nice scorer in the post. 320 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,440 He's got some great moves you can certainly rely on him but 321 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:08,040 can you leverage the three-point shot as an offensive weapon and 322 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,800 also to make it easier on Malik Renew to avoid the double and 323 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,480 triple teams. I mean, I think if last night's 324 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,040 game shows anything to me, it's that you can shoot the ball from 325 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,880 three if you're Indiana and have some measure of success if you 326 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,160 are serious about trying it. And I just don't feel like in 327 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,840 the Illinois game, it does not feel like Indiana was 328 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,920 particularly serious about shooting from deep. 329 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,160 And that's how you get a situation where you only take 9 330 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,280 threes for a whole game and you don't make any and and that has 331 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,400 to affect the confidence of your shooters. 332 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,680 You know what stuck out to me in that Iowa game was how ready 333 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,200 everybody seemed to be to shoot and not all the shots were 334 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,880 great. I mean, CJ Gunn had an Air Bold 335 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,720 3 and you know there were a couple of threes that were way 336 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,880 off, but Iowa had those two got Peyton Sanford air ball to 337 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,760 three, there was another three that was way off. 338 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,680 Like there's there are lots of you're going to get those, but 339 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,320 that that can't be a reason not to do that particular part of 340 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,200 the offense. I I I hear you. 341 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,839 I'm not trying to be contrarian. I hear you. 342 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,560 I'm just looking at the stats from last year like they go 10 343 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,760 from 20 for three at home against Ohio State and then this 344 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,760 is just attempted threes in the games afterwards. 345 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:19,480 This is last season 11101261111. So like, I I I hear you. 346 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:23,920 My only counter is, you know all of last week we're talking about 347 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,680 how this needs to change. Like one game it did. 348 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,680 We've seen these these blips go up. 349 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,520 I the the one thing about the confidence that I find funny, I 350 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,720 was telling somebody this at halftime yesterday is it's like 351 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,640 I wish we could bottle and just talk to Mackenzie and Bako and 352 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,640 be like you're playing the 1st 4 minutes of the game, the entire 353 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,560 game. Because the 1st 4 minutes every 354 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,800 game he comes out like an absolute stud. 355 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,000 He shooting with, you know with confidence, like he shoots great 356 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,000 and then you know maybe it's he's on the bench too long, I 357 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,600 don't know. But like the rest of the game it 358 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,400 feels like he's trying to reintegrate himself And he had 359 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,120 he had one shot you know 1/3 that was way off and it's just 360 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:58,040 like that's the first four minute. 361 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,520 McKenzie is like the best possible McKenzie. 362 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,760 It's almost like you you don't want to take him out ever 363 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,000 because like it feels like once he hits the bench the first time 364 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,800 it's like he has a hard time getting back to that. 365 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,200 But anyway. Well, no, I It's a good point 366 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,720 and I think it's frustrating and to some degree it felt like one 367 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,800 of the reasons why Iowa got back in the game. 368 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,720 I mean, there's coaching going on Mackenzie and Bako's getting 369 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,200 benched because Mike Woodson doesn't like what's happening 370 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,160 with him defensively and that's. He he left Stanford completely 371 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,440 wide open for a three and that's why he. 372 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,400 Got and and there's no question he's having bad moments 373 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,640 defensively. Still less, less than he was 374 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,960 having at the beginning of the season, but still not good. 375 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:39,920 But I think the problem right now is that we know Woodson is 376 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,040 doing what most coaches would do, which is, oh, you're going 377 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,640 to screw up on defense. I'm going to put your ass on the 378 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,400 bench. But the problem is that 379 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,880 Mackenzie and Bacco is having a real hard time reintegrating 380 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,200 into the team and the game flow once that happens. 381 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,280 And so you know you you, it's a tricky one. 382 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,080 And I don't envy Mike Woodson and the coaching staff on this 383 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,720 because on the one hand you can't just let blown defensive 384 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,840 assignments go. But on the other hand this is a 385 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,160 guy who when he's properly engaged is is, you know, he's 386 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:14,480 he's given, he's, he's had now 7, there's now six straight 387 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,280 games in double figures offensively. 388 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,920 And while that's not everything, realistically Indiana needs 389 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,280 those points because they have struggled to score the points 390 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,480 that they need to be competitive in games. 391 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,080 And he helped you drive to a 15 point lead to start the game, 392 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,800 so. You know, this is where This is 393 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,440 why coaches make a lot of money. You could try to thread that 394 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,680 needle in terms of of how you deal with a player like that is 395 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,840 a really complicated thing. But what you talked about with 396 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,720 the, the variants in the threes, that is, that happens with every 397 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,760 team. I think the other thing about 398 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,800 last night's game that really stuck out was for the first time 399 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:57,360 in a while, Indiana, honest to God, was awesome at offensive 400 00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:59,400 rebounding. I mean they. 401 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:04,040 They. They got rebounds on 38.2% of 402 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,360 opportunities on the offensive glass last night. 403 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,920 That is the highest number that Indiana has registered since the 404 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,280 Maryland game when they grabbed basically 43% of offensive 405 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,560 rebound possibilities. And as we've talked about on 406 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,400 this show, as I talked about when I was on Podcast on the 407 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,560 Brink, that is a potentially key component of the offense that 408 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,760 has just not shown up. And you know, part of it was 409 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,720 yesterday. I mean, Khalil Ware just had a 410 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,840 physical advantage over a lot of the people that were playing for 411 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,720 Iowa. But it showed what the 412 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,040 possibilities could be if you're dedicated to getting offensive 413 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,000 rebounds. And it wasn't just Mackenzie or 414 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,400 excuse me, it wasn't just Khalil Ware that was grabbing offensive 415 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,920 rebounds. I mean it was, it was a 416 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,120 collective effort. You know, Trey Galloway had an 417 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:56,280 offensive rebound, Xavier Johnson had one and Baco had 418 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,400 one, Walker had one, Leo had one. 419 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,880 There were there were three team offensive rebounds. 420 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,760 I mean those things add up. They extend possessions and they 421 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,360 make it so that even if you're missing threes, it is possible 422 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:08,440 to grab offensive rebounds. Like, it doesn't have to be an 423 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,720 either or situation. Well, and it's not even a size. 424 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,760 I'm just going back to the Ruckers game like we you know 425 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,360 they out rebounded us in the offensive glass 19 to 8 and they 426 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:18,720 have nobody over 7 foot. So to I mean to the point like 427 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,560 it's not just about there's no one to guard Cleo where it's 428 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,040 like Rutgers really doesn't have nobody to guard him either and 429 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,120 it didn't happen and you also had to renew in that game. 430 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:29,960 So I'm I'm with you and and it goes down to again you don't get 431 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,080 extra credit for effort but it's good to see it and a lot of it 432 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,040 just can't. A lot of those team rebounds and 433 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,560 offensive rebounds just came down to effort and just came 434 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,240 down to like the ball kind of got tipped around and and we 435 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,960 went and got it and and to be fair like Iowa was giving effort 436 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,240 to they just they out effort it. I wasn't like Iowa was kind of 437 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,000 not going after things. We just out effort of them, 438 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,240 which was really good to see. Yeah, what else took out since 439 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,760 you were at the game I was watching at the upstairs pub, 440 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,280 you were at the game. What else stuck out to you? 441 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,600 I'm trying to. I not I mean not not anything 442 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,160 not anything else that we haven't hit are already. 443 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,640 I mean I guess that the one thing I would say is just it was 444 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:16,160 looking back kind of interesting in a positive way how unfazed 445 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,680 this team seem to be by the injuries. 446 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,080 And what I mean is not that they don't care not they don't care 447 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,120 about their teammates, but that that's, you know Malik Renew is 448 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:25,760 one of, if not the best player on this team. 449 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,280 And then goes out and they watch him hobbling around like trying 450 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,320 to get to the locker room. That was tough. 451 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,080 That could have they they ended up, I think going on like A12O 452 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,800 run after that. It didn't seem to phase them and 453 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,880 like I said in a good way. And same thing with you know 454 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,360 Xavier. Xavier goes down, the teams just 455 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,000 standing there around him. They all kind of doing that. 456 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,240 Oh God, they have that look like, oh gosh the they could 457 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,440 tell it wasn't good. And then that was when I was in 458 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,080 the midst of a run. So I just, I think seeing their 459 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,880 reaction to to those two things for a team that for the last 460 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,880 couple weeks we've kind of been saying, you know they're they're 461 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,200 making silly decisions. They're not seeming to be locked 462 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,240 in or making you know less than stellar decisions on the court. 463 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,760 I will say I was impressed seeing the the kind of the, the 464 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,840 mental aspect of this team, just being able to, you know, put 465 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,200 that aside, segmented over and continue to play the basketball 466 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,200 game and very much a, you know, like I saw Anthony Walker go in 467 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,080 for Xavier Johnson, just be like, all right, I'm ready to go 468 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,320 and let's just play basketball. And I think to me that was 469 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,240 impressive to see in person. That's good to hear. 470 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,400 Now I mean, and even on on TVI mean most of the frustrations 471 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,440 that people were having were just like, how is Iowa coming 472 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,960 back in this game? Look, I mean, Iowa had two 473 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,800 players that really played incredibly well. 474 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,160 You know, you know, you're going to get Peyton Sanford. 475 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,720 It's just like, oh good. We needed someone to fill that 476 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,320 role of that Iowa guy and you. Everybody knows who that Iowa 477 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,360 guy is. There have been that Iowa guys 478 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,440 for like the last 40 years and obviously Tony Perkins. 479 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,680 Normally Fran McCaffrey makes them, but yes. 480 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:55,640 Right. That's a good point. 481 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:59,400 Yeah, Fran was like you know we're not forget the OE Ms. like 482 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,680 we're we're going to do the I am the OEM. 483 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,240 Yeah, I guess 18 years ago, Mrs. McCaffrey was like, I'm out, 484 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,520 like I'm out. I'm not making any more 485 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,120 Mccaffrey's for a while, although there still is a 486 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:11,760 McCaffrey on the team, but yeah. But anyway, I I I think 487 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,240 ultimately it's funny. Like there were a lot of flaws 488 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,640 in the game. And you know, Indiana just for 489 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:26,120 whatever reason, does not seem to possess the ability 490 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:28,560 collectively to put opponents away. 491 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,200 I mean, you can look at the entire span of this season and 492 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,720 there's really not a single game where you feel like Indiana just 493 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,120 won it comfortably. I think the closest is probably 494 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:45,800 the North Alabama game, but almost every other game on the 495 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,360 on the schedule. You know, even the Minnesota 496 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:50,800 game a couple of weeks ago, it was just kind of like, well, 497 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,320 they won, but it wasn't convincing. 498 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,760 Maybe Harvard, but yeah, I'm with you. 499 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,200 Yeah, but you know in this game you're going to get more games 500 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,240 like this in the Big 10 than games where you're putting 501 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,120 opponents away. And I was a good enough team 502 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:06,840 that, you know, I don't think you're just going to put them 503 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,640 away automatically. So I was, I was pleased to see 504 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,120 that even though Indiana lost what had allowed them to 505 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,840 establish possession of the game, they came back. 506 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,600 They weren't fazed by the injuries. 507 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,080 They weren't fazed by the fact that Iowa seemed to be hitting 508 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,440 everything under the sun for about a 7 or 8 minute span. 509 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,600 I mean as as much of A momentum shift has happened in favor of 510 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,840 Iowa, for Indiana to grab it back down to with a minute 40 to 511 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,440 play like that does that's what Indiana fans have been waiting 512 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,720 for. I think is is something like 513 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,520 this where and we kind of saw it in the Ohio State game, but not 514 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,040 quite cause like that was a game where Indiana was leading that 515 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,560 game and then Ohio State came back and made it really close. 516 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,760 This was almost like, yes, it was. 517 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,920 It was a similar pattern, but in this one, it kind of felt like a 518 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,160 lot more tenuous because of all the injuries. 519 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,640 For Indiana to win, this one felt a little more special. 520 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,040 It was a game they absolutely had to have, and it was a game 521 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,000 that from a, you know, to be an underdog at home against the 522 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,960 team that is not projected to be in the NCAA tournament right now 523 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,080 is a real slap in the face. But it's also a very clear 524 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,480 indicator of how far Indiana stock has fallen based upon how 525 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,760 they've played, based upon what the metrics say. 526 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,280 And so it was really good to see them not just emotionally come 527 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,360 away with the victory, but to some degree defy the analytics 528 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:29,000 that have defined them so far over the course of the season by 529 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,800 doing certain things like the three-point shooting, like the 530 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,080 offensive rebounding that they just hadn't really done as 531 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:37,720 effectively up to this point. But also I mean that the end 532 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,640 play, you know sometime in the second-half, maybe like 10 533 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,920 minutes to go or so like the Gabe Cups got a pass in the 534 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,440 corner and was wide open and kind of just looked at it and 535 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,080 then didn't take it and like the whole crowd was like take it, 536 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,880 like take it, they didn't he passed it off. 537 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,600 So it's it's nice kind of redemption that he's, he's the 538 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,480 one who hits the final three. He was like wide, wide open. 539 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,360 So there is some redemption to that. 540 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:04,280 So no, but I'm with you that was AI mean what was interesting too 541 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,720 is being there. All I can say is you you can 542 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,080 feel the assembly hall like it. It never got that crazy tense 543 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,280 feel of like, Oh my God, like we're about to lose this. 544 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,320 Like it. It did feel like the the crowd 545 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,600 kind of kept getting back into it. 546 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,880 Like there wasn't that like, oh God, like this is This Is Us 547 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,360 letting it slip away. What you feel sometimes in those 548 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:25,480 games, like it the the crowd was definitely there and it it. 549 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,320 Yeah. I'm with you, yeah. 550 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,320 I mean, and you can kind of tell that on television as well. 551 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,960 I mean it's the assembly halls are pretty good barometer of 552 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,680 these sorts of games and it's it's interesting you watch 553 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,080 enough of them, you kind of get a sense of how they all filter 554 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,960 in Anyway. Indiana with that win, they move 555 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,040 back to 500 in the Big 10 and they're kind of in an 556 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,800 interesting spot right now in that they've got this game 557 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,680 coming up against Penn State. We don't know. 558 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,360 I think at this point I haven't seen anything on Malik Renew. 559 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,680 We haven't seen anything official on Xavier Johnson. 560 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,400 It's very possible neither of those guys will be able to go. 561 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,520 If you were going to have a next opponent that you had to face in 562 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,280 that location, it would be Penn State at Indiana, you know. 563 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,840 But it's again, it's one of those things where Indiana, 564 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,920 they're only a six point favorite on Ken Palm you know 565 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,880 and Penn State is kind of a a weaker version of Iowa to some 566 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,240 degree in that like their their best virtue as a team 567 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,680 offensively is that they don't turn the ball over. 568 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,760 And what's going to be interesting is the one thing 569 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,040 they really do good defensively is that they turn their 570 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,080 opponents over. They're they're like 21st in the 571 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,800 country and forcing turnovers. So it'll be an interesting 572 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,040 challenge for Indiana in that game. 573 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,560 I would expect them to win even if they're missing both of those 574 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,320 players. But I am interested to see how 575 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,320 the minutes split out and how Mike Woodson and his staff 576 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,840 decide that they're going to approach this from a game plan 577 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,680 perspective. This seems like the perfect type 578 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,880 of game to try to continue to build confidence from the 579 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,280 perimeter, you know, so if Indiana can put a line up out 580 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,000 there, I mean, they're not facing that. 581 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,520 The tallest player that Penn State has is is as cute as 582 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,920 Wahab, who's just 611. But this is not a tall team. 583 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,680 By and large, this is a team that, you know, they're 178th 584 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,160 and average height. Indiana is a significantly 585 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,040 taller team than they are, so it's going to be interesting to 586 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,840 see if Indiana kind of lowers their height at various 587 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,480 positions because they don't have to focus entirely on 588 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,440 matching physicality for physicality. 589 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,880 So I am curious to see what happens in that one. 590 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,680 But at this point, it's really more about can Indiana put it 591 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,120 together with collective will? And can they get scoring from 592 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,600 the people that are going to be out there knowing Malik Renew 593 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,800 might not be part of the roster that day. 594 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,840 Yeah, I mean you don't have must wins in January, but you do have 595 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,880 them in February. So you know February 3rd. 596 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,400 This is whether Malik Renew, Xavier Johnson are or are not 597 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,280 playing or even how healthy Khalil Wear is. 598 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,920 It's like this is a must win. You just you, you cannot lose 599 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,320 this game with what's facing you, what's facing ahead of you. 600 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,200 You know when you look at Penn State then they haven't won on 601 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,760 the road this year so that that helps. 602 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,040 They haven't been a great Rd. team. 603 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,760 They did beat Wisconsin at home, which is an outlier of sorts. 604 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,280 But the only concerning thing with that game where Penn State 605 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,920 beat Wisconsin is that Ace Baldwin by the way like top 606 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,800 level name. Like if you want to have a 607 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,600 shooter, name your kid Ace Ace Baldwin and Zach Hicks together 608 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,160 went 711 for three. And so that that's the 609 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,240 concerning part is we still see this team in you know Stanford 610 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,520 with with Iowa. He's a really good elite 3 point 611 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,880 shooter. But this this Indiana team has 612 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,120 had an Achilles heel of letting 3 point shooters get hot. 613 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,040 It happens in Assembly Hall more than I would like it to. 614 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,200 So that would be the concern is if either Ace or Zach Hicks 615 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,560 starts getting hot, you know they they can shoot the lights 616 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,960 out and that's what you want to you know avoid against. 617 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,520 And I do think the crowd might feel a little bit different if 618 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,080 they get hot early, suddenly you're down you know five or six 619 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,840 to Penn State and then it's like oh man, this is like that maybe 620 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,520 that the crowd does turn a little bit. 621 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,080 So that that would be the concern and that's where again 622 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,280 back to our earlier point, you know this is where if you're 623 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,320 Woodson, it's just it's a tough balance because you have guys on 624 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,000 this team who sometimes just do blow defensive assignments. 625 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,280 But you you need their offense as well. 626 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,360 You just hope they don't blow the assignments on Baldwin or 627 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,880 Hicks giving up open threes. We'll see what happens. 628 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,760 Penn State's going to try to push the tempo a bit. 629 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,760 They've done that a lot so far this year. 630 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,080 The one thing I'm hoping for Penn State has among the worst 631 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,080 free throw shooting defenses in the country. 632 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,400 Opponents are shooting 77% from the charity strike. 633 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,720 Because we don't shoot well, so. Man, if you want to talk about a 634 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,760 get little game from the free throw strike, that's Indiana 635 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,600 needs that more anyway, that'll be like make sure to come see us 636 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,680 and upstairs that's kind of it for the game. 637 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,280 Scott, you I had a couple things that we were going to chat about 638 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,840 a little bit more next week, but just kind of some general 639 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,800 program related items like what what you got for us. 640 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,480 Yeah, that's just why you're you're giving me the, the wide 641 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,360 open lane there just to drive and go nuts. 642 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,240 No, I was, you know, I I listened to to your podcast last 643 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,240 week and I think they brought up a lot of good things which we 644 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,040 can kind of parse out as we continue going in. 645 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,840 I think, you know, when a win, while it doesn't solve 646 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,440 everything, it does help a lot. And looking into a Penn State 647 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,320 game where hopefully you can get a nice win and then you start 648 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,880 maybe making some better momentum is good. 649 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,960 The one thing that I was thinking about is this, like I I 650 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,240 got to come up with a better name. 651 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,000 But you know, it's something you and Zach Osterman talked about. 652 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,480 The idea of, you know, creens issues kind of cascades into 653 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,240 Archie, which then cascades into Woodson that they all kind of 654 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,880 compound. And I, I truly believe that as a 655 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,000 fan who's lived through all of this, like my angst gets higher 656 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,560 every year. As I was thinking about it, like 657 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,320 I I, I'm calling this like the happiness season index. 658 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,800 But it kind of goes along with those same thoughts of, you 659 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,360 know, like last year, for example, was a good year. 660 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,520 You know, like you, you did win. You get fourth in the, you know, 661 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,040 fourth in the tournament. You you got a protected seed, 662 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,680 which on the top level sounds good. 663 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,280 But you know last year was a year where we lost by 15 at 664 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,040 Rutgers. Like we lost three in a row. 665 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,200 And I I mentioned it many times like we lost by 19 to Penn 666 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,160 State. And there was a moment there 667 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,400 where it's like, Oh, my God, is this is this season going off 668 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,520 the rails? It didn't. 669 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,760 But then you lost to Penn State in the Big 10 tournament. 670 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,960 Like, it was an uneven season. That you can't say like that 671 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,640 season. I had a great time the whole 672 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,920 time. Like, there were moments I was 673 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,800 really concerned. I started thinking along those 674 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,120 same lines, like how many years over the last 20 years have you 675 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,440 had a season where it's just like I felt great about that 676 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,840 year and like, so I if you if you. 677 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,920 OK that's that's funny. I was, I was texting with a 678 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,560 friend of the pod, Trisha Whitaker, last night during the 679 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,800 game and I was like all I really want is a normal IU basketball 680 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,560 team to root for like one year. And like even last year as as as 681 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,760 good as that season was, it was just kind of like this weird arc 682 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,360 where there were several points where you're just like what is 683 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,320 going on? And yeah, no, I'm it is funny. 684 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,800 I I we think about that a lot in terms of like happiness is in 685 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,120 many cases anchored to consistency. 686 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,040 And you can have Michigan State's a great example. 687 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,440 Like you can have off years where you're like we're a seven 688 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,760 seed in the tournament, but it's still a good year and you still 689 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,520 feel confident because of past performances that something's 690 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,080 going to happen in the tournament down the line. 691 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,719 It's not as pressure packed. Right. 692 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,960 And I think this is what adds up to it is like again, last year, 693 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,360 that top level, it's like 4 seed in the tournament. 694 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,159 It's a great year but there were moments that it wasn't so I 695 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,280 broke it down here. Eight years that just don't 696 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,440 count. This is God it's way too many. 697 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:41,320 2004, 5910111417181921 we didn't make the tournament so, so none 698 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,040 of those count as like at IU we can talk about expectations. 699 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,440 You don't make the tournament. That's not a good year. 700 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,560 Like just a hard stop. I I came up with three. 701 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,560 I have three years in the last 20 and 20 is just an arbitrary. 702 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,000 I just don't want to keep doing this forever. 703 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,240 I have three years that I would say are good years. 704 00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:01,760 So I'll give you the three and then I I have, I have reasons 705 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,720 for all the other ones. So like, I'll just, you want me 706 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:05,760 to go through it for fun? Yeah. 707 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,120 So 2003, you know, go through it. 708 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,680 There's a 5 game losing streak in the Big 10 which also 709 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,280 includes a Louisville game oddly. 710 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,280 And then you lost to Penn State to end the season. 711 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,720 So that wasn't awesome. 2006, you know, you fired Mike Davis 712 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,880 at the end of the year. It wasn't a bad you go to the 713 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,320 tournament, but you also lost it. 714 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,560 Indiana State you got a 5 game losing streak which included 715 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,160 UConn at that point in the Big 10. 716 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,840 So those years don't count. 2007, OK. 717 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,080 I have it as a maybe because you know you went 5-4 and five to 718 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,440 end the Big 10 but you did. You also had a first round loss 719 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,880 in the Big 10 tournament but it it wasn't what I would consider 720 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,800 an awful year. You know it's the first year 721 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,440 with Samson and new coach are kind of there. 2008 is just like 722 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,240 I I have it marked as what could have been because that's the 723 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:56,600 second Samson year and that is that's a whole other podcast. 724 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,400 I will just leave it at what could have been on that year 725 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,640 because things were trending well and then something 726 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,080 happened. 2012 I have as possibly that's the that's the 727 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,200 year we beat Kentucky at home with the watch shot. 728 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,840 But that as you've mentioned before that's a year that we 729 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,640 went two and five in the Big 10 in January. 730 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,960 At one point we were five and six in the Big 10, but that was 731 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,000 probably really close to being there. 732 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,440 What's funny is 2013, everybody's like, oh, that was 733 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,240 the year you're #1. It's got to be like, to me, 734 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:26,240 actually it wasn't. Because I remember we beat 735 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,600 Michigan, we become number one, and then we immediately turn 736 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,680 around to lose to Illinois in a really bad, like last second 737 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,800 play. And then it's like we have a 738 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,800 home game against Ohio State, which is good to win the Big 10. 739 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,120 We don't clinch it. We lose to Wisconsin in the Big 740 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,560 10 tournament. You know it. 741 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,480 It's just like anyway, it's like we have a second ranked offense 742 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,640 in the country and we get 50 points against Syracuse. 743 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,080 Like that season is really hard to round as like a great year. 744 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,920 I'm taking too long. But I'll say the other one that 745 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,600 I I have as a probably is 2016 and I think you and I are in the 746 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,440 same spot. That's the year with Yogi. 747 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,640 They won the big 10. You and I, I I put this under 748 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,520 this is my neurosis. I just never fully believed it 749 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,680 was actually happening like it had been so long. 750 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,240 It's like, are we really going to, is this team? 751 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:15,960 When's it going to punch me in the gut? 752 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,440 They never did until they did lose as the #1C in the Big 10 753 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,200 tournament to Michigan. But they never lost at home. 754 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,960 They won the Big 10. So probably 2016 is the closest, 755 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,040 but like in 20 years, there's only three seasons that I have 756 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,080 where it's like that was probably an overall good year. 757 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,880 And my my larger point is like, I think this is what continues 758 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,880 to build up the angst is even the years where you think like, 759 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,600 oh man, 2013 was good. It's like it still was an uneven 760 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,920 year. And again, as IU fans, we just 761 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,800 were expecting more and more every year. 762 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,200 So I hear you there in a in a way but I think to some degree I 763 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:58,720 think the idea that there is a Nirvana of consistency so true 764 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,680 with any top team is is kind of fictional and I mean even look 765 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,040 at like Purdue last year had a great season. 766 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,960 They were a one seed in the tournament. 767 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,240 They had a stretch where they lost four out of six and that 768 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,880 was bookended by losses to Indiana like. 769 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,840 But they had such a good year leading up to that. 770 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,720 I think you're going to have a lot of these kinds of things 771 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,960 where there are swoons. And I think especially in this 772 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,880 era, like so much of the the, you know, we we tend to focus on 773 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,240 the exemplars, the seasons for schools where everything goes 774 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:35,040 right And it's like, damn, we'd love to be those folks. 775 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,640 But realistically, I think most programs will have games like 776 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,080 that every two to three weeks. And I think this was the case 777 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,440 even when Indiana was quote UN quote like you know, a top notch 778 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,160 program in college basketball. There were plenty of instances 779 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,160 where Indiana would lose a home game to a team that wasn't as 780 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,640 good as them in the night era. You know, there, there, you see 781 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,960 that with North Carolina. Tennessee, who's at a great 782 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,120 season, just lost at home to South Carolina last night. 783 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,320 I mean there's there's those sorts of things that happened. 784 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,320 So I hear you. I think we're with Indiana fans. 785 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,440 Where the problem is, is there's just not a lot of stacked 786 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,640 successful seasons where at the end of it, you know, it's like 787 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,560 that stat that I unfurled the other day where it's like if you 788 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:22,040 look at the the reality of the situation over the course of the 789 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,320 last 20 some years, Indiana hasn't made the tournament in, 790 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,160 you know, in three consecutive years since 2008. 791 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,560 You know, they they, they've made it. 792 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,880 They made it back-to-back in 12 and 13. 793 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,240 They made it back-to-back in 15 and 16 and they made it 794 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:42,120 back-to-back in 22 and 23 and like that. 795 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,840 That will cause you to feel like everything is upside down very 796 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,240 consistently. And so I think I'm, I'm a little 797 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,720 bit less concerned with the ebbs and flows of an individual 798 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,640 season to me. I think after you get through a 799 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,760 season you can look back on it and a lot of those, the the 800 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,520 peaks and valleys will even out. The problem is that the baseline 801 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,960 for those seasons for Indiana jumps so much, and you have a 802 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,320 season like last year, which ends up, you know, kind of, it 803 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,040 should have felt better than it did. 804 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,320 And then you'll have other seasons like 2016 that started 805 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,240 off bad and everybody was waiting for the other shoe to 806 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,640 drop and never did. You never fully get confident or 807 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,000 comfortable with what the team is putting out there. 808 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,320 And I think that is where, you know, for Indiana to have like a 809 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,960 stretch, like Purdue's hat or whatever, you know, where you 810 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,520 have a couple of chunks of like 5 or 6 postseason appearances in 811 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,520 a row. NCAA appearances in a row like 812 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,400 that will cure that more than anything else. 813 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,720 But I think it's harder now in college basketball because of 814 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:43,640 how much roster movement there is, because of how many older 815 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,520 players are still in the system, because of COVID. 816 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,360 To some degree, it's almost like, do we need to recalibrate 817 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,000 our expectations? Where the idea of making the 818 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,480 tournament 234 years in a row is hard for a lot of programs, 819 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,280 Villanova might miss the tournament. 820 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,440 You know, this year North Carolina missed the tournament 821 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,920 last year. That's where Indiana missed all 822 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,200 of the good times before the system changed. 823 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,280 And now everybody's got to get adapted to this new system where 824 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,800 I think everybody's going to be up and down. 825 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,400 No and and your your point is valid because I went and I tried 826 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,720 to look at the did a little bit. I wasn't going to look at every 827 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:20,640 big 10 teams every year like what teams have had what I would 828 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,240 consider a super happy season. It's it's hard to find. 829 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,120 I went back in the Indiana archives and like what was a 830 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,720 great year, You know, obviously taking the national championship 831 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:30,480 teams out because those are pretty good years. 832 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,520 It's like the best I'd come up with was the 9091 team. 833 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,520 That team lost at home to Ohio, they lost at Ohio State, they 834 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,320 lost at home to Iowa, but they finished fifteen and three in 835 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,840 the Big 10, went in the tournament as an NCAA two seed. 836 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,280 They didn't do well in the Big 10 tournament that year, didn't 837 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,160 finish well. I'm just joking. 838 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,800 There's no Big 10 tournament. That's that's funny. 839 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,680 Yeah, but but so so your your point is well taken. 840 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,640 I think the other thing that is hurting, not just the 841 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,440 consistency but you know the the years that we've been good and 842 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,880 had the spikes. You know we haven't had the top 843 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,160 level up line success. Like we've won two Big 10 titles 844 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,560 in those years that we were good but you know half joking but 845 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,640 it's like there's not a lot of other Big 10 tournament success 846 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,040 and then not a lot of NCAA tournament success where is like 847 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,520 in 2013 if that team doesn't lose the Syracuse just makes the 848 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,480 final four. That that glow I think covers up 849 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,720 a lot of the peaks and valleys as well too. 850 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,080 You know where you're you're mentioning you know teams like 851 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,080 Villanova, it's like I don't know, you don't mean this way. 852 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,480 It's like you win a title that covers up seven years, you can 853 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,040 do a lot of mistakes between here and there, even a Final 854 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,560 Four with this team. And I think that's what also is 855 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,040 hurting because even Purdue has had ups and downs, but they're 856 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,240 consistently doing well in the Big 10, winning Big 10 titles, 857 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,760 winning Big 10 tournaments. And so last year, you know, 858 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,600 wasn't a success for them, but they still won a Big Ten title, 859 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,760 won the Big 10 tournament, you know, didn't beat Fairly 860 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,360 Dickinson. But anyway, I I hear exactly 861 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,800 what you're saying. I just my thought is that you 862 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,600 know even the seasons that we would consider quote UN quote 863 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,000 good had moments of kind of more peril than just oh we lost a 864 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,200 game that sucks. Like we've had multi you know 865 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,600 four or five game losing streaks. 866 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,960 We're losing 4 out of 6 even in seasons we consider good, which 867 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,320 I think that just kind of helps stack the angst that Zach was 868 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,600 talking about. That goes year to year and 869 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,960 unfortunately, just like it's not, it's not getting dissipated 870 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,840 at all like we got to, we got to have a season, we get to the 871 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,960 final four to let the the steam out, so to speak. 872 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,920 No, I mean, look, ultimately there's nobody has felt 873 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,920 consistently good about the program for like 5 years in a 874 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,600 row in a long time and that goes back to night. 875 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,160 I mean, you know that like the. When we were there, it wasn't 876 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,640 awesome. Yeah, I mean people there was a 877 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,600 lot of like what's going on? Why like is it time to hang it 878 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,080 up, Should we move on? I mean that's that's been that 879 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,400 has been a constant state of the program for so long. 880 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,400 And that was only five years removed from a final four and 10 881 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,480 years move from a title so. Yeah, and and so that's the 882 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,280 nature of the beast. And you know, Indiana's had. 883 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,840 There have been bad decisions, there's been bad luck, there's 884 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,600 been a bunch of things that have filtered into that. 885 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,040 For older IU fans, they've got an idyllic picture of the past, 886 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,080 which wasn't all puppies and roses, but we tend to remember 887 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,760 it that way because what's happened in the near past hasn't 888 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,200 been very consistently good. And for younger fans, this is 889 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,720 what they've been born into. You know, it is, it is chaotic 890 00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:32,440 and it feels a lot of times like Indiana if you compare them to 891 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,000 the programs that have had consistent success in terms of 892 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,920 wins, in terms of tournament appearances. 893 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,800 I mean, it's not just, it seems that they haven't measured up. 894 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,480 Indiana hasn't measured up. So that was my, you know, I'm 895 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,280 thinking that was the hope when Archie got hired. 896 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,760 It was the hope when Woodson got hired. 897 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,640 Can there be some stability, not just of results, but can people 898 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:57,640 feel good about the direction, the development, the the the, 899 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,480 you know, the the way that the program sits within the larger 900 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,960 landscape of college basketball and that just hasn't 901 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,760 materialized and we'll talk more about that next week. 902 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,480 This is a conversation. As you know, Indiana making the 903 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,920 NIT is actually important for this program. 904 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,080 I think like they need to do at least that. 905 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,840 Obviously making the NCAA tournaments what you want, the 906 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,840 NIT is a poor substitute, but there has to be at least some 907 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,160 level of consistency in terms of we're at least making the 908 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,120 postseason, right? So that's kind of what I'm 909 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,640 looking at. And what do you get out of the 910 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,680 remaining games? And so we'll talk about that 911 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,120 more in the future, but we need to wrap up now. 912 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,800 Any final thoughts from you? No, I'm so excited for Saturday 913 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,440 and looking forward to seeing whoever can make it down. 914 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,840 Excited to see the new upstairs. Yeah, it's, it's wild. 915 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,160 It's awesome. Looking forward to it. 916 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,520 Thank you to Hard Truth Distilling. 917 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,000 Looking forward to having them sponsor us over there. 918 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,800 And we'll look forward to meeting up with all you folks as 919 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,440 we host you at Upstairs alongside the fine folks at 920 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,080 upstairs. We'll be out there around 11:00 921 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,280 AM to noon and then all the way through the Penn State game and 922 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,640 afterwards for Scott, I'm Galen, this is Crimson Cast. 923 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,880 We'll catch you folks. On the flip side, bring back the 924 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:03,880 Bison. So everybody.