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Welcome back to Crimson Cask ale

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You. 
It is the 6th of November of 

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2022, Indiana 3 and 6 on the 
football season as they lose 

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depends. 
State yesterday, 45 to 14. 

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We're going to talk about that. 
And that might be all that we 

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talked about today. 
But anyway, good to see you or 

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hear you folks, or have you 
folks here. 

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Also, I'm not sure exactly where
I'm going with that. 

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It's good to see Scott as well. 
It's been a couple weeks. 

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Got we took the bye week off. 
Yep, which meant we didn't talk.

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So how are you doing everything?
Okay. 

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Yeah I'm great that back and 
refreshed and ready to talk to 

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you about basketball podcasts. 
Just delightful. 

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Yes. 
Definitely basketball season in 

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full effect before we get to 
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Just a reminder that we are part
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You know I'm gonna jump in right

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when you finished. 
Have you seen the bomber jacket?

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Yeah, releasing. 
Yeah, I just had to jump in like

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I wanted to get the jump on 
this. 

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It is. 
It's awesome. 

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So I will be wearing it. 
Probably in Vegas, they can ship

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it to me. 
In time. 

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It is, you know, you get to a 
point where like I have enough 

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hoodies. 
I'm going to need some kind of 

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killer logo to get another 
hoodie. 

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You know, I like the stickers, 
they have this. 

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Like, this bomber jacket is 
like, all right, just I wanted 

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to choke on Twitter as I say it 
the right way. 

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But it's almost like just like 
this is almost like stealing at 

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this point because like, you 
just, you are rating my wallet 

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because there is I have to buy 
this anyway. 

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I just I saw that I'm like I 
cannot wait to talk about that 

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in the Pod way more than the IU 
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I mean home field announce the 
Announced it yesterday on 

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Twitter. 
Then you need to be following 

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home-field on Twitter, and it 
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whole day. 
I feel like it was and it was 

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and it honestly, I think I had 
six different people text me and

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say did, dude, did you see this?
This is so sick. 

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And yes, I did see it. 
And yes, it is indeed sick as 

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the kids say. 
And the mean we need. 

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Now like we need this means. 
If somebody, please as you know,

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kids meme this please, we need 
like the ERM and meme pointing 

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at each other with with two 
people wearing the IU bomber 

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jacket because that's going to 
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Like that's gonna happen 
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it's like Galen Scott like oh 
hey hey Barbara Jack yeah that's

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what else. 
Oh hey Crimson cats guys. 

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Oh Barbara jacket like oh that's
like this gonna see a lot of 

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though, this may disrupt the 
Bison hoodie hegemony that has 

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established over our podcasting 
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So yes. 
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But anyway, that kind of thing 
that Innovative like bring the 

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past the good. 
About the past back is what 

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they sell lots of buy you stuff,
great basketball stuff. 

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Coming up here as we get started
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And and look this is November 
Scott. 

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And as most people know, they 
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Cyber Monday sale that whole 
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Of Thanksgiving, at least they 
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I'm assuming it's going to 
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Great time to buy from home 
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So again, home field 
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them out. 
Anyway, let's get into the meat 

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of the podcast, you know, a few 
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Scott. 
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the is probably the Nebraska 
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We, we were like, you know, we 
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gonna play out the rest of the 
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this is going to go. 
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because at that point, you know,
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They hadn't lost to Maryland. 
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and someone could be like, wow, 
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could surely do some things in 
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up in the month of October. 
You guys are just being jerks, 

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or, you know, whatever and know.
It's like, we're not, 

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purposefully fading Indiana 
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We've just seen this so many 
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unfortunately, the there's no 
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In the, the Tom Allen machine at
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seen coaches Kevin Wilson. 
Being a great example, you know,

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back in 2015, that team started 
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0 and then they lost six in a 
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like it had given up or that it 
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you know that team had some bad 
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they played, you know famously. 
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year that they lost to Michigan.
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against Rutgers. 
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even the even the, Ohio State 
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pretty close one. 
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like that team did. 
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Nebraska game Scott, I really 
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go again, you know? 
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the wheels are going to fall off
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totally clear. 
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That the wheels were ever put 
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fell off last year. 
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essentially what's happened and 
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almost anticlimactic because I 
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attention saw that 13 and a half
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put as much money as humanly 
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this isn't even like dead cat 
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this point. 
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It's like the plugs been pulled 
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Not just like the inferior team 
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Scott, they looked like a team 
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Look like a pre-conference game 
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game for Penn State. 
I'm really, really happy that we

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cleared out all the bad apples 
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Like that, that I'm glad that we
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We got that resolved and two new
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And you know, at least you feel 
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pointing in the right direction.
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Fourteen and a half if So quick 
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If you listen to Crimson cash, 
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harmonica bet that I have to 
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10 bucks it was on Penn State to
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line I gladly did it. 
I also made my own personal bets

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on that. 
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It's just it's I don't like 
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Its Pride sadly profitable when 
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And now we're in the point year,
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Look at this is like the sequel 
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know, we got it. 
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back The future to is like oh we
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We gotta see Biff again when 
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the Biff mom was like, oh now 
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quarterback Carousel where 
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Nobody looks ready. 
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to get, I was thinking about you
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You had the you can least had 
the excuse Alan, could have put 

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the excuse of it. 
There's guys who aren't trying 

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and we've lost the locker room 
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I was thinking, you're not going
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can't really tell if we're not 
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State is so much. 
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will be no like these guys like 
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galaxy like that's a different 
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Michigan. 
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Purdue will be playing for a 
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Like they lost the ability to 
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damn, they could have one but 
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It's like, no, they they kind of
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maybe it was Nebraska game. 
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Here's the question I have for 
you Galen go on I'm gonna pose a

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question to you. 
This is the part where I'm just 

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like what the f is going on. 
I'll try not to cuss as much. 

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I know I've gotten yelled at for
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thinking is and I'm a couple 
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played penix and we started him,
we played him a little bit 

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longer than even. 
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And I was saying that on this 
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there is kind of like look, he's
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He's he, you know, gal got to 
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And he, you know, he's the 
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you really can't just pull a 
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And you know, what would it do 
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Like how are you going to 
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you if you pull your strut like 
it just looks, it's a really bad

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look like, okay. 
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inside. 
We turned into like Quarterback,

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free fall. 
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again, this coaching staff gives
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But as best, I can tell pays 
like wasn't hurt. 

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Well, now they smell it. 
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he was hurt. 
Sorry, go on Conveniently he 

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became her right now. 
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of even forgotten, most of the 
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Rutgers game, it wasn't Bays 
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We're looking at a change of 
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her that's looking to replace 
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So you replace him without 
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You basically, then you've 
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You can make you kind of throw 
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Like we've got to make some 
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quarterback, he's banged up, but
he's like, he's not so banged 

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up. 
You're going to go ahead and 

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throw against Ohio State next 
week, but then you put in Tuttle

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a guy who's in the transfer 
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I must say he's unplayable, but 
it's like there are any get, I 

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don't know what that shirt out. 
The guys in the broadcaster. 

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Like he's a real leader in this 
locker room if that's AI, don't 

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know what the case is but it's 
like it's right this will go on 

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for a second. 
I'll stop. 

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It's like if total really is the
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room if you're out and like 
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guys transferring like if a guy 
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is also So, a leader in the 
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That's not great. 
But so like if, if he's gone and

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you don't want to play bass like
why the hell are you starting 

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Toto? 
Nothing gets Tuttle. 

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It's just like this is not the 
direction of the program. 

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Now like you're not going to 
beat Penn State. 

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Like give give somebody a shot 
and then it's like after total 

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gets injured which is like, 
again your preview it's like, 

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give me the smelling salts. 
Like I'm not shocked at all. 

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The tunnel gets hurt because not
because he's injury-prone. 

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It's like I would also be 
injury-prone. 

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If you If you remember the old 
commercial Terry? 

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Tate office linebacker like a 
Terry. 

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Tate was walk around my house. 
Yes, attacking me everyday and 

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sacking me. 
It's like, I would be injured 

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not because I'm prone. 
Then you play Brendan Source V 

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and it's like, like, oh, that 
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Williams and extra Williams has 
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That's why did you play stores? 
We first. 

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It looks like you have no idea 
what you're doing with who your 

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You have no plan. 

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And now it's told Bay's like a 
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go against Ohio State. 
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basically telling Bay's, like, 
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week, like pushing you under the
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reversing it driving over you. 
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end is I'm going to throw you up
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country so you can get 
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And so, here's my question, I 
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Here's, my question is, how is 
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dependence last year was bad for
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How is this good for a? 
Who wants to transfer in now? 

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It's like oh this is awesome 
like well phase, lag is had a 

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faint. 
Like does he get to at least 

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walk away with it, you know. 
Home field are you her boop? 

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Boop. 
You know, bomber jacket. 

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It's like hey that was, that was
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And I get the jacket like this 
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Like I don't think CJ Trout's 
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transfer to. 
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but it's like you're going. 
It's everything you did last 

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drug. 
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complete team that has zero 
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it's like, we're throwing 
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It's but it's like, how do you 
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quarterback? 
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Baseline well the look, they'll 
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big complaint, I guess is if 
Bay's lack was injured. 

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Just say that basil. 
Acts injured, Jess. 

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Don't, I mean, the the fact that
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find out that information 
assuming it's true and I don't 

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100% just automatically assume 
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It, you know, the fact that that
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weeks, it didn't help your team 
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over again. 
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his team's success lies in the 
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they're doing. 
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again, that does not matter. 
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know maybe. 
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this idea of how you? 
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versus that is that basil act 
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certain circles, especially in 
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like out of there. 
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Tuttle in and that frankly is 
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I don't I mean he is you know he
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No. 
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he got benched for two weeks, 
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the talk of that press 
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I mean, that that I think is 
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quarterback and I'm like, well 
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just have my back and say, well,
you know, Connor can't play in 

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this upcoming game because it's 
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that somehow the subdue views of
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quarterback is going to be is 
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of who is quarterback. 
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back there. 
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to be able to block for them 
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It's what directly led to two of
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Like so to me it's like a far 
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essentially put basil act in a 
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you know we're going to make it 
seem like they's like lost his 

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job due to poor performance. 
Not that we had to sit him 

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because he was injured all 
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know, some weird idea that 
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win this game, against Penn 
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And I know our quarterback is it
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that was actually, you're 
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the fact that they didn't seem 
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title got hurt his, a real 
problem, I mean nobody had bread

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in sores be on the radar. 
Dexter Williams wasn't even 

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talked about in the pregame from
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available then suddenly he was 
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I mean it was the whole thing 
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it's exactly what I've come to 
expect out of this coaching 

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staff where there just doesn't 
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lot of Rhyme or Reason. 
I'm sure it makes sense to them,

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but I don't know. 
Scott, you go back and read the 

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post game quotes about why they 
played swords be initially 

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instead of Williams. 
And you tell me if it makes any 

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sense to you, because I've read 
it like 20 times and it still 

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doesn't make a whole lot of 
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So, and again, the, the the 
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sense either. 
It's like so on and he's not 

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injured after Rutgers, but an 
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he's not so into the can't play 
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It's like, but he but he 
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It's and everybody is like, you 
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think this season. 
I'd be in the base, like, 

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defense business, but for 
everybody was like, he's the 

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problem. 
It's like, all right, well, he 

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didn't play this game. 
Let's Play, Let's Play The Drive

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shark game. 
Here's your drive chart punt, 

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touchdown punt, punt punt, punt 
punt, half punt, interception 

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punt, interception, interception
punt, touchdown it sounds like a

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normal eye. 
You game this season where you 

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have that one drive where I 
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It's like, you know, why don't 
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black box? 
Like, let's just make all the 

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drives like that drive, but you 
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and there's a lot of punts, a 
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change the quarterback, you have
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Here's so during the game the 
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I got weird with stats but I 
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because I was thinking to 
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how many times have we started 
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same quarterback? 
It hasn't happened. 

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A lot that I went through and I 
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attempts, the quarterbacks had 
made each year under the Allen 

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and Wilson regime. 
Mmmmm and shocking. 

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It's not good Galen, it's not 
good at all, this season. 

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It will change this season base,
like has taken, you know, the 

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majority of the snaps but that's
going to change. 

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I'm assuming that's I thought 
that was going to change because

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base like wasn't playing. 
It was MIA but now it seems like

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he's the leader of the team 
again but last year number one 

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throwers Michael penix. 
He only threw 42% of all 

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available attempts the year 
before Michael panics, do 75% of

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all available to them. 
So that was that this is a 20 20

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year. 
It's also a weird, you know, 

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six-game year, but whatever. 
That's the only. 

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There's only one other time 
under Alan you've had over 75 

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attempts by the starter. 64%, 
the year before was Peyton 

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Ramsey in 2018 Ramsey, threw 93 
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and Allen's, first year, Richard
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through the other, forty one 
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years with Wilson, it was 96 
percent for Lego 89% for 

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subfield. 
Also, the years, we went to back

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to back. 
Bowls, you go look at a team 

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like Michigan state, who's not 
like analogous. 

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But again, if we're and I know 
divisions are going away but 

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it's like we're not Penn State, 
Ohio, State, Michigan Pence. 

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Michigan state is kind of that 
level we should be at. 

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I'm just going to go through 
here is the starter in Michigan 

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State, the number of available 
attempts, they've thrown year 

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over year, this year, 93 percent
last year, 97 percent year 

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before 65, 20 1994, 20 1869, the
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90. 
It's 94 93. 

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There's a lot of 90% that's a 
stable program that has kind of 

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a funnel of quarterbacks and 
that's a program. 

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That's had complete disaster 
Seasons like tire fire seasons 

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in between. 
It's frightening that we're 

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going with another year here or 
Allen's going to probably be sub

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70% of our starter, throwing the
available swell for the 

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available templates. 
Like that's that's not a team 

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that has like their shit 
together. 

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Well, there was a quote in the 
postgame press conference that I

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I want I just, it really struck 
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mean, Alan was asked what went 
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game plan and here's a quote. 
Well, I think the bottom line is

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no matter how much time you have
or don't have you have to 

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execute. 
And I just want to stop right 

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there. 
It's like know, if you if your 

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quarterbacks have no time to 
even look through their 

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progressions. 
If you're running backs, have no

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time to carry the ball like Back
to the line of scrimmage because

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the blocking is so bad, you 
can't execute, I'm sorry. 

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No. 
Like I've I'm not an expert in 

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football but I've watched a lot 
of it over the years. 

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College Pro high school and 
generally speaking. 

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If you don't have time you can't
execute. 

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I'm and we're not talking about,
oh well there just wasn't time 

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on that play. 
You mentioned the number of 

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three and outs. 
I mean there were several drives

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that weren't three and outs only
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the third place. 
So that doesn't technically 

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count as a three and out. 
Out, but we got you there. 

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But but his quote that be this 
quote, I feel like it's really 

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difficult upfront, not being 
able to give our backs a chance 

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to get seems to run through in 
the quarterback time to throw. 

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Well, no kidding. 
That to me is really the bottom 

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line. 
I think we have to really focus 

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on getting ourselves continuing 
to work to get better there 

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because it's not good enough and
it's killing us right now. 

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It's making it very very 
difficult for our offense. 

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It's like no it's it's not 
making it difficult for your 

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offense. 
That is your offense. 

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This is the like this is this is
the thing I think. 

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That I've become the most 
frustrated with without is that?

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He, he does not appear, just 
based on his words, he does not 

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appear to understand how offense
actually works, which is wild to

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me that you could be a head 
coach. 

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Now, for seven years, I mean 
he's said, like, I have to have 

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a CEO on the offensive side of 
the ball, but he doesn't seem to

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acknowledge the things that make
offense actually work. 

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And it's hard for me to escape 
as much as people point back to 

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20. 19 and 20 20 as like, well 
how could you be critical of Tom

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Allen? 
Because he did those two 

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seasons. 
But it's hard to get away in my 

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head from thinking he still had 
that Kevin Wilson's 

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infrastructure from the 
offensive line in those Seasons.

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He still had like the vestiges 
of the program that had been 

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built up over the course of the 
previous decade, and once that 

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was gone, I don't know if he 
just thought that was like, a, 

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you know, a goose that just 
consistently laid, the golden 

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eggs that it was going to keep 
playing the Eggs. 

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And when I mean the fountain 
dried up with I use offense and 

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you know last year they couldn't
even score. 20 points a game 

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there on that track this year. 
I think they're they're they're 

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points per game. 
Average has dropped to 23.3, you

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know, outside of that Maryland 
game. 

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Where Marilyn just didn't want 
to play defense. 

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They haven't scored more than 24
points in a game since the 

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middle of September. 
This is exactly what happened 

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last year and as you pointed 
out, they replace the It's of 

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coordinator, then replace the 
offensive line coach, which all 

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of the people that said, hey 
what are you doing? 

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How could you like do you not 
see what the actual problem in 

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the offense is here? 
And we were all shushed and 

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whatever but it's like this has 
essentially ruined the second 

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season and what faith do you or 
anybody else have that Alan will

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suddenly figure out. 
Oh you know what? 

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I really need to focus on this 
and get this fixed because 

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ultimately it undoes whatever 
Indiana's trying to do. 

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Whoever the quarterback is what 
They're trying to do whatever 

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the game plan is supposed to be 
the core of the team. 

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The offensive line is just 
incapable of doing their jobs 

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and it's not just against Penn 
State, it's against Rutgers, 

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it's against Nebraska, it's 
against Western Kentucky. 

446
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,100
I mean, it was against Idaho 
that, you know, you had similar 

447
00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:18,800
issues. 
I mean, it's it's just wild that

448
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,600
we keep coming back to this same
situation over and over again. 

449
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:26,500
Scott and changing the 
quarterback is just window 

450
00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:29,300
dressing I mean, there's a core 
issue with the basis of this 

451
00:22:29,300 --> 00:22:31,600
offense and it's been that way 
really for three years. 

452
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,400
Not just to and as I talked 
about in the pregame podcast, 

453
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,200
2020, you go back and look at 
those numbers from an offensive 

454
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,500
line perspective. 
They were horrific that team 

455
00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:45,000
survived on the fact that 
Michael penix is a otherworldly 

456
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,600
talent and was able to 
essentially get them out of a 

457
00:22:48,608 --> 00:22:52,000
lot of jams by being able to 
throw incredibly quickly. 

458
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,200
And I just happened, I read that
quote by Alan and I'm like, Alan

459
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,600
thinks that Michael penix. 
Like that that level of being 

460
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,800
able to make quick decisions and
make great throws that everybody

461
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,200
is able to do that. 
That's just the normal case of 

462
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,700
being and it's like that's not 
how it works. 

463
00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:09,700
Like that was an extraordinary 
guy who transferred because he 

464
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:12,600
thought he was going to die 
under the current blocking 

465
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,600
system not literally, but you 
know what I mean? 

466
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,000
So I don't know. 
I I look at this game, Indiana 

467
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:23,000
only, they couldn't even get to 
200 yards of total offense at 

468
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,000
halftime. 
They were big -6, in rushing 

469
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,600
yards. 
They ended up the Game 131 

470
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,300
passing yards, three 
interceptions, four point, five 

471
00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:35,400
yards per pass. 
One point nine yards, per rush. 

472
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,100
Like this is not a big ten level
offense, it's barely an FBS 

473
00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:46,400
level offense and it like the 
fact that there isn't more - 

474
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:50,100
being written or said about how 
bad like what a terrible shape. 

475
00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:53,000
This offense has been allowed to
get into over the course of just

476
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,800
a few years, is really 
disappointing to me. 

477
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,900
And honestly, I think Alan 
doesn't get Sized enough for how

478
00:23:58,900 --> 00:24:02,500
much the offense has devolved 
over this time, but at least, 

479
00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:04,800
you know, he's in charge of the 
defense and that's a rock solid 

480
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,500
piece of the know that we can 
feel good about and that's good.

481
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:11,500
At least know we have the second
worst rated defense in the Big 

482
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:13,400
Ten. 
Our run defense has you know 

483
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,200
it's fifth in the Big Ten that's
respectable we are the worst 

484
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,500
graded on tackling the worst 
graded on pass rushing and the 

485
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:23,300
second tour Saint conversion but
the second to worst rated 

486
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:24,700
defense. 
I'm Pro Football Focus. 

487
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:27,600
So that side of the balls bad to
know here. 

488
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,300
Here's my here's where I'm going
to start getting annoyed moving 

489
00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:37,100
forward is they put themselves 
in a very interesting position 

490
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,800
that you know I agree with 
everything you said and I agree 

491
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,200
that Alan is not taking enough 
criticism but also we're in a 

492
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,900
spot where he's not going to be,
he will be the coach next year. 

493
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,900
It's just based on finances 
based on by up based on his 

494
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:56,600
contract fine but there really 
are no other moves to be made, 

495
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,300
right? 
You Guess you could change 

496
00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:01,000
coordinators again, so you have 
three and three years in the 

497
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,800
offense, but, two, and two years
on. 

498
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,200
Do you have brand-new 
coordinators? 

499
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,200
You could, you know, you're 
going to change the o-line 

500
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,700
coordinator, which needed to be 
done. 

501
00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:10,300
But again, I don't think that's 
like, I don't look it. 

502
00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,100
You know, I always joke. 
I don't look at Nebraska 

503
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:13,900
basketball, and I think we got 
it, they just changed their 

504
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:15,600
third assistant. 
They're going to be at the final

505
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,200
four team. 
It's like that's there's so many

506
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,900
bigger issues, but to me, the 
problem with him not replacing 

507
00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:22,800
Hiller, is it tells me that he 
doesn't? 

508
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:24,700
I'm not sure. 
Alan knows how to solve these 

509
00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:25,800
problems. 
It looks like a team that 

510
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:26,800
doesn't know how to solve the 
problem. 

511
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:28,800
Here's where I'll come. 
Eat that come at you but go 

512
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,900
against something. 
You said a couple weeks ago to 

513
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:32,400
me. 
I don't trust. 

514
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,900
It Allen has the answers, and it
definitely feels the Press 

515
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:36,200
covers. 
He's just like, I don't, he's 

516
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,400
basically saying, I don't know 
what to do. 

517
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:39,500
Like, I don't know what to do, 
and he doesn't know what to do 

518
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:41,500
in the offseason because he 
didn't fire Hill or last year, 

519
00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:45,900
he's not making the Right Moves,
I don't trust him to figure this

520
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:49,800
out in this offseason. 
It's also a very bad look if you

521
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,200
just do nothing. 
And so to me it's like well you 

522
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,500
can go up a step. 
This now becomes a Dolson 

523
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:57,500
problem and to me it's the sum 
of this goes. 

524
00:25:57,700 --> 00:25:59,900
Dalton's feet and, you know, we 
talked about it last time and 

525
00:25:59,908 --> 00:26:01,700
you're like well, hey, if you 
know, Dolson starts meddling 

526
00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:03,900
what coordinators want to come 
there. 

527
00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:06,300
I would say it's the exact same 
thing with like what transfer 

528
00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:07,400
quarterbacks don't want to come 
here. 

529
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,300
And your point is, there's 
always going to be somebody. 

530
00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:12,800
I would say the same thing here 
like to me if I'm Dolson you 

531
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,800
can't just do nothing. 
I honestly don't know what the 

532
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,200
answer is. 
I'm just a podcaster like I 

533
00:26:18,208 --> 00:26:20,300
know. 
But like maybe you do replace a 

534
00:26:20,308 --> 00:26:22,800
coordinator and you just 
overspend for somebody or you 

535
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,000
hire a football assistant coach 
or a football vice president? 

536
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,500
Like I don't know, you But to me
last year, you had a lot of 

537
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:33,900
expectation. 
You finished your two and ten 

538
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:36,000
you lose out this year. 
You have very little 

539
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,800
expectation, you fail to meet 
it, you want a Big Ten game 

540
00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:42,000
which feels like eons ago and 
you lose out and you have no 

541
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,400
idea quarterback. 
You're gonna have a bunch of 

542
00:26:43,408 --> 00:26:48,900
people transfer to just run this
back again with all of the same.

543
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:52,400
Hey, we got the whole cast back 
for season 5, it's like I don't 

544
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,800
know if you're Dolson, how you 
do that? 

545
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,400
Like how do you not show? 
I'm going to be annoyed at this,

546
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,100
at least, if Tulsa, Doesn't lie 
say hey I'm going to start 

547
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:02,000
putting my hand in things 
because honestly I don't trust 

548
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,300
if Allen's the one doing 
everything this offseason like I

549
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:08,100
think he needs supervision and 
if Golson doesn't see that and 

550
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:10,600
Dolson doesn't at least do 
something to publicly be like 

551
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,300
hey I'm aware of this and we are
going to try and solve it if he 

552
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,000
just sits back and everyone just
runs this shit back. 

553
00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:19,900
I'm going to be very 
disappointed in everybody. 

554
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:27,100
I mean, yeah, II just, you know,
my thing is, there seems to be 

555
00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:30,400
something fundamentally broken 
not just about the offense, but 

556
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,900
about the about the team, and I 
don't say that broke it. 

557
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:35,700
I broke it. 
Well, I know you're broken. 

558
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,700
We've, I mean, we've known for 
years. 

559
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:39,700
I'm broke. 
You are fundamentally broken 

560
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:41,500
Scott. 
That is that is not breaking 

561
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:45,300
news, but that isn't how you 
football fan, like I'm broken 

562
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:47,000
and I didn't exist in general, 
you're broken. 

563
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,000
I mean, it's not just, I you 
football fan them but, but no, 

564
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,300
the I'm kidding, but they'll 
very fair, very fair. 

565
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:56,500
The I mean I'm broken too and 
then certainly broken is an IU 

566
00:27:56,500 --> 00:28:01,200
football fan but when it I don't
I think there was a real 

567
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:11,400
argument in 2017 and 2018 that 
Allen had not fully taken over 

568
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:17,300
leading the whole team and 2019 
and certainly 2020. 

569
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,500
It did feel like the team had 
taken on his person at the best.

570
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:24,500
Ality traits of Tom Allen. 
They were they were enthusiastic

571
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,100
they they were fired up all the 
time. 

572
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:30,000
They made big plays. 
Yes, they gave up big plays, but

573
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,600
it was like, hey, we can do this
kind of Riverboat Gambler kind 

574
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,800
of thing because that's, you 
know, it was a different version

575
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,700
of what we'd seen in like, 2013,
2014 2015 with the Kevin Wilson 

576
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:42,800
teams. 
Now, what's happened, the last 

577
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,600
two years, I don't think it 
negates what we thought was 

578
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:53,000
going on during 2017. 
And 2018, 2019 2020, but it's 

579
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,600
almost like Alan lost the 
ability to have the team take on

580
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,900
his personality, or his 
characteristics. 

581
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:04,900
And I look at mostly on the 
defense where, I mean, the 

582
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:06,600
defense is sniping at each 
other. 

583
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,200
You know, Devin Matthews is 
blowing tackles and blowing 

584
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,400
coverages, you know, Taiwan 
Mullen hasn't looked himself, 

585
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,700
you know, most of the Play on 
defense has, as has been pointed

586
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:17,700
out. 
I think has been really 

587
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:21,000
disappointing. 
Especially since, you know, you 

588
00:29:21,008 --> 00:29:25,000
know, it's like well, okay. 
Alan might sacrifice his overall

589
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,200
leadership abilities on for the 
team because he's going to 

590
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,000
refocus on the defense. 
And that's going to be the 

591
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,600
thing. 
That's the calling card for 

592
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,200
better for worse for IU, but 
that looks awful and it looked 

593
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,000
awful even when Indiana was 
winning. 

594
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,400
I mean, you know, Illinois. 
Probably should have won the 

595
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,900
game. 
Idaho was able to drive on 

596
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:45,000
Indiana and the first half 
Western, Kentucky should Beaten 

597
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,600
Indiana. 
And it really took kind of a 

598
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,400
couple of miracles on special 
teams for that not to happen. 

599
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,000
And then every game since then 
that they've lost, yes, the 

600
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,100
offense has looked awful, but 
the defense is also not looked 

601
00:29:56,100 --> 00:30:02,600
good and when Alan can't connect
with his players on an emotional

602
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,800
level, he doesn't really bring a
lot else to the table, because 

603
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,200
we know he's not an excellent 
tactician. 

604
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:12,900
We know he's not like an ace 
developer of talent because 

605
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:14,900
we've seen the players that have
come through his I mean they 

606
00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:16,600
just generally haven't 
developed. 

607
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:21,900
So if a yeah so it really does 
feel, you know, you know, and 

608
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:23,800
all the things you talked about 
all of the quotes that we're 

609
00:30:23,808 --> 00:30:26,000
seeing in the press conference. 
You keep coming back to this 

610
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,800
notion. 
That Alan doesn't seem to have 

611
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,700
any answers and it just feels 
like he's kind of lost the team,

612
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,200
which is wild to think about 
because everybody still got that

613
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,200
image of the players running off
the field yelling, you know, 

614
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,000
best coach in the country after 
the Wisconsin game in 2020. 

615
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,700
Everybody still thinks that but 
what you see on the field now 

616
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:45,300
and what you saw in the field, 
all of last year, It looks like 

617
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:48,900
a team unmoored from their 
coach, looks like a coach that's

618
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,400
out there. 
You know, pushing every button 

619
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,400
in a control facility, that's 
had the power cut, you know, 

620
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,700
where it's at? 
It's wild to me and I mean, this

621
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:01,000
is where you can, you know, two 
things can be true at once. 

622
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:06,100
You know, Alan did have that 
team in 2019 and 2020 and he can

623
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:08,500
coach and to people who are like
what I'm saying. 

624
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,300
Now, I don't think he's doing a 
great job on the as answer is, 

625
00:31:11,308 --> 00:31:13,700
not sure he can, he can turn the
ship people like, well, he did 

626
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:16,700
it to year two, three. 
It's like okay, but this is what

627
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:19,100
happens. 
Like, you know, Bill Mallory had

628
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:22,400
a great run and then he didn't 
write and that mean, you know, 

629
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,800
95 96. 
Well, his ties to a 93 at a time

630
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,200
and but you can sometimes lose 
the ability to do what you did. 

631
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:31,500
Yeah. 
Or you don't get the right 

632
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:34,500
recruits and it doesn't mean 
that you were bad, you were good

633
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:37,800
in that period like things have 
now changed and now you're not 

634
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,100
doing well and honestly doing 
get changing and like this is 

635
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,100
what Bill Belichick is awesome 
at what he then. 

636
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,500
X and does it again. 
This is a really hard job to do 

637
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:49,900
and it's like, you can, you can 
definitely suck now. 

638
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:52,400
Even though you were good 
before, it happens all the time 

639
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,300
in coaching, I just don't, it 
feels like, and I was even 

640
00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:00,300
thinking this, it's like, Alan 
does seem to learn all the wrong

641
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:03,200
lessons from everything. 
Like, I wonder if he look at 

642
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,900
that Illinois game and thought 
the reason we won is we were 

643
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:09,100
really cagey about who our 
quarterback was. 

644
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:11,600
So we're going to go into Penn 
State and do the same thing and 

645
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,100
just be like we're not gonna, 
you know, you're not going to 

646
00:32:14,108 --> 00:32:16,300
who are core. 
Back is, unfortunately, it 

647
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:20,000
seemed like nobody after Tuttle 
knew who the quarterback was 

648
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,100
going to be including the IE 
team. 

649
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:24,600
But I mean, I think two things 
can be true at once. 

650
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,600
Alan was a good motivational 
coach in 2019 and twenty now 

651
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,100
he's not he's lost. 
I think you hit it on. 

652
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,000
Unmoored feels very true. 
This team seals feels completely

653
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,500
adrift and I think it's it's 
very weird to me that again. 

654
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,900
If Tuttle is a leader in the 
clubhouse and he already She has

655
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:46,600
his foot out the door, that's a 
weird spot. 

656
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,800
And then to be like, we're going
to start him in and one of our 

657
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,800
last hope games it, I could see 
Mass transfer out of this team 

658
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,400
and, you know, at the end of the
year. 

659
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,400
Yeah, I mean, I don't think that
we'll see, who knows? 

660
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,500
I mean, we saw a lot of 
transfers last year to lose that

661
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:06,400
we saw what we saw a lot of 
transfers last year and a lot of

662
00:33:06,408 --> 00:33:13,900
transfers in and again it's just
it feels like papering over. 

663
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:18,800
What is Surely a really serious 
like wound with this IU program 

664
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,500
right now. 
And you're right. 

665
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:24,400
I mean the people that keep 
pointing back to 2019 and 2020. 

666
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,800
I think have the wrong 
impression for those of us who 

667
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,600
are like this. 
What's going on now is just 

668
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,400
absolutely unacceptable. 
I'm not here to minimize 2019 

669
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,200
and 2020. 
I celebrate those. 

670
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,400
I, we've talked over and over 
again about how those two 

671
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,300
seasons back to back or among 
the most successful seasons in 

672
00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:44,100
IU history, but I think the 
narrative as we get a little 

673
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:46,800
further. 
Her away from it really is Tom. 

674
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,900
Allen was able to take what was 
a pretty good infrastructure and

675
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:53,000
push it over the hump. 
It took him two seasons to get 

676
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,900
to the point where he could do 
it and it took hiring the right 

677
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:59,200
offensive and defensive 
coordinators, but he did push it

678
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,700
over the hump and it's funny, 
like you said did Allen learn 

679
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:06,100
the wrong lesson from the 
Illinois game. 

680
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:08,600
I would actually blow it up in 
the macro. 

681
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,400
I think he learned the wrong 
lesson from 2019 and 2020. 

682
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,300
He didn't learn that. 
I have to hire the absolute 

683
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:17,000
right. 
Offensive coordinator and right 

684
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,199
defensive coordinator because 
that's how I unlock the 

685
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,600
potential of my roster and 
unlock the potential of these 

686
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,900
recruits that I'm getting that 
that have been, you know, really

687
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:27,900
highly rated comparatively 
speaking in IU history. 

688
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:31,500
It almost instead is like the 
lesson he seemed to learn was 

689
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:36,500
I'm good at what I do and my 
instincts are the things that 

690
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:39,100
matter and that's what God has 
those big. 

691
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:41,100
Winds. 
And it's like, that's, that does

692
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:43,900
not appear to be how it actually
worked out. 

693
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:48,800
Because if you look at every 
move, he's made frankly since 

694
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:53,100
the Outback Bowl since like a 
week before, the Outback Bowl, 

695
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:56,900
every move has been wrong. 
And those moves have resulted in

696
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,900
the record that they have racked
up over the course of these last

697
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:03,400
two seasons where they're, you 
know, they're two and ten last 

698
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,500
year, they go winless in the 
conference and they're three and

699
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:10,600
six this year, I mean to go No 
to, to be staring down the 

700
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:16,500
barrel of as you said, 5 and 19 
over a two-season, stretch is 

701
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:20,900
unacceptable for any program. 
And it it's hard to reconcile 

702
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:23,200
that with what happened in 2019 
and 2020. 

703
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,300
Unless you look at it and say, 
all of the lessons that were 

704
00:35:26,308 --> 00:35:30,700
learned from 2019 and 2020 were 
wrong and it wasn't building on 

705
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:33,700
top of a great infrastructure, 
that was the last gasp of the 

706
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:36,200
infrastructure before it 
dissolved and was replaced with 

707
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,700
something that wasn't 
sustainable. 

708
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:39,100
And that's what Indiana looks 
like right now. 

709
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:42,300
They look like an unmoored 
program, they look like a 

710
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:43,800
program that doesn't have a 
center. 

711
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,600
They look like a program that's 
desperately clutching at 

712
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,500
whatever Solutions might present
themselves on a week-to-week 

713
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:51,900
basis. 
They feel like they have to rely

714
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:56,300
on subterfuge to have enough of 
an advantage to be competitive 

715
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,400
in these games. 
And it's like that's never 

716
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,200
worked that never, I mean that 
works. 

717
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,500
If you're if you're a baseline 7
win team but this is like a 

718
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:09,300
baseline three wind team right 
now and that's where this Graham

719
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:12,700
appears to be and it's just it's
wild to see how it got that far.

720
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:16,000
That fast. 
Yes, it is. 

721
00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:20,100
It's I don't think any. 
Yeah I mean after the end of 

722
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:24,300
2020 I never would have thought.
It's like art we're about to 

723
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:26,600
end. 
The narrative was never were 

724
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,200
staring down a hard reboot in 
the face. 

725
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,300
It just wasn't like it was like 
this is we're bringing back that

726
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:34,100
we're bringing everybody back. 
That was the idea. 

727
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:37,600
It wasn't like oh we're about to
do a hard reset and the 

728
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,900
troubling thing for all these 
Moving forward is, you know, 

729
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,600
this isn't basketball, 
obviously, but what I mean it's 

730
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,200
like the program was stuck in 
neutral with Archie Miller. 

731
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:49,800
You hire a new coach you get a 
couple. 

732
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,600
Good recruits like Hey we're 
ranked 12th in the country and 

733
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,900
then we're going to have what 
should be a good season football

734
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:58,900
you and I have been fans for 30 
plus years, IU football has 

735
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,900
never worked. 
That way mean, you can, no 

736
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:04,900
matter what you say, we are near
the bottom of the bottom right 

737
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:07,800
now. 
We are in a Reset Program mode 

738
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,700
right now. 
Ever ever in IU football, has it

739
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:14,700
been like, Hey, we're going to 
go from Two and ten to seven and

740
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:19,600
five like that just doesn't 
happen that if Alan does that, 

741
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,900
then he is the best coach in IU 
football history. 

742
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:25,900
If he takes next year's team to 
a bowl that has never been done.

743
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:28,700
Every coach who comes in, 
whether it's Mallory or Cam 

744
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:31,700
Cameron or, you know, Terry 
Heppner or, you know, Kevin 

745
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:34,500
Wilson anybody who's come in 
when the program's DOA. 

746
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,600
And at the bottom, it's taken 
them two or three years to like 

747
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,200
slowly. 
Turned around. 

748
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:42,300
It just has never happened in a 
one year. 

749
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:44,300
Period. 
That's not what happens here. 

750
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:48,100
And those are coaches who had 
all, you know, hey, good, new 

751
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:52,100
coach smell on them. 
I mean, well, I mean for Alan to

752
00:37:52,107 --> 00:37:54,800
turn this around. 
Would be a Herculean effort. 

753
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,200
Unlike the likes of which we've 
never seen an eye. 

754
00:37:57,207 --> 00:38:03,900
You yea no and look up there. 
There was there was a piece 

755
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,100
today that talked about the 
goalposts moving and 

756
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:09,700
expectations of fans and things 
like that. 

757
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:12,600
And I there were some parts of 
the piece that I agreed with. 

758
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,700
There were some parts that I 
didn't. 

759
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:15,900
But one thing that I really 
Vietnamese disagree with 

760
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,800
conceptually and I've heard this
from other other sources, is 

761
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,900
this idea that I you fans like 
their expectations are. 

762
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:26,900
Now unreasonable about the 
football privacy. 

763
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:31,200
No, like the expectation for IU 
football is not that. 

764
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:34,900
A win nine games or ten games 
every year and nobody i-i've 

765
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:37,500
been an eye football fan, as 
long as you have. 

766
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:39,400
I talk without you football, 
fans all the time. 

767
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,000
I know this group of people, no 
one sits there and says we 

768
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,700
should be a 9 or 10 when program
every year, what they want to be

769
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:47,700
as competitive. 
They want to have a team that's 

770
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:50,100
enjoyable to watch. 
They want to have a team that 

771
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:52,900
fights, you know? 
And, and that's essentially what

772
00:38:52,900 --> 00:39:00,400
they had become conditioned to 
from about 2013 until 2020, but 

773
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,700
that was what? 
Deanna had been, they didn't go 

774
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:08,100
to bowls every year, but they 
had been provided what neiu fan 

775
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:11,900
ever wanted and what they had in
the Mallory era, a team that 

776
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:14,800
might get blown out some weeks, 
but was probably going to be 

777
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,400
competitive in most games and 
not embarrass themselves. 

778
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000
What is being put on the field 
right now by you football, is 

779
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,500
embarrassing. 
It is embarrassing to have an 

780
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:26,800
offensive line. 
That is pathologically incapable

781
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:29,800
of blocking for the Run, 
blocking for the pass. 

782
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,500
It is embarrassing. 
That the defense is essentially 

783
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:37,400
incapable of generating 
turnovers is not capable of 

784
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,200
stopping drives. 
You know, when they need to make

785
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,200
important plays does not appear 
to be able to make plays. 

786
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:49,200
And I don't think that any fan 
is being unreasonable by saying 

787
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:51,800
this is not worth supporting 
right now. 

788
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:55,000
And we've seen this before and 
this was essentially what 

789
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
happened in the 2000s under 
Jerry Denardo. 

790
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,400
It's what happened in the two 
thousands of their Bill Lynch. 

791
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:01,000
It's what happened under Cam 
Cameron. 

792
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,200
Or a decent amount of that 
tenure, like it's IU football 

793
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,400
fans. 
Just want a competitive team. 

794
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,900
They would like to go to Bowls 
because they look around and 

795
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:14,400
they see pretty much everybody 
else going to bowls and they see

796
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,800
Duke able to, you know, hire a 
new coach and bounce back and go

797
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,700
to a bowl. 
They see Missouri, they see 

798
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:21,300
Kansas, they see. 
Kentucky. 

799
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:24,400
This is not God. 
Why can't we be Ohio State? 

800
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,500
This is, why can't we be any of 
those programs? 

801
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:30,000
Yes, I mean fuckers. 
Yeah. 

802
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,700
And Um, you know, I mean, all of
this wouldn't be good for any 

803
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:37,500
program, right? 
Any yeah, I don't know, I don't 

804
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:39,500
know. 
I mean, I don't know what at 

805
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:42,600
this point, the problem is, 
like, just real quickly. 

806
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,000
The problem is, you, you 
mentioned like this happen to 

807
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,100
her Cameron happening in our do,
it happened under Lynch, but 

808
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:49,800
well, those happened. 
And then you had an out, you had

809
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,200
an out like this is where again,
it's like this comes to do 

810
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,400
something you got to figure. 
I don't know what the answer is,

811
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,400
but we can't just run this back 
for two and a half more years or

812
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,900
else you're really going to see.
Like, all right, how many 

813
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:03,000
die-hard? 
Hard literally find out how many

814
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,300
die-hard fans there are because 
you're gonna find out what a 

815
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:08,800
really empty Memorial Stadium. 
Looks like for two and a half 

816
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,300
years. 
If you. 

817
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,500
That's the really most 
depressing part is, at least 

818
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:15,600
when you started to get to this 
point with those coaches, you 

819
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,600
mentioned, it was always like, 
all right, well, they'll be 

820
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,900
fired this year next year. 
And this is like, no, we're not 

821
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:23,100
going to change any of our 
coaching infrastructure for 

822
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:24,700
probably two and a half or three
years. 

823
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,600
Well, honestly, if we do change 
it, it's just going to be more 

824
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,700
churn. 
Like we need things that it's 

825
00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:33,500
they put themselves. 
In such a tough, they bought 

826
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:37,000
themselves into such a corner, 
there's no moves the moves. 

827
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,600
They make could actually hurt 
more by changing more coaches, 

828
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,800
and it's like, you need more 
time to figure out the new 

829
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,700
offense and I honestly have no 
idea what to do, but you can't 

830
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:50,900
just run it back. 
I know and I don't really, I 

831
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:57,000
mean the it's funny because you 
know, we keep seeing that, you 

832
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,700
know, and this was a part of the
piece as well. 

833
00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:01,800
This idea that like 0iu hasn't 
invested in the football 

834
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,200
program, which I've I think 
we've talked about enough on 

835
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,900
this program. 
It's not that they haven't 

836
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:09,100
invested in the program. 
It's Unfortunately, they 

837
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:12,400
invested wrong they and it's in,
this is a long-standing issue 

838
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,100
with IU football and I you 
Athletics where they hire the 

839
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:20,400
wrong people. 
And, you know, look, I don't 

840
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,400
think that anybody and we talked
about it before. 

841
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,600
I don't think anybody thought 
that this was the wrong higher 

842
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:28,200
or thought that this was the 
wrong extension when it was 

843
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,000
made. 
And so it's not necessarily even

844
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,900
being critical. 
It's just being realistic in 

845
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:36,600
retrospect. 
This was the wrong guy to give 

846
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:39,600
an extension to. 
I don't know that there was a 

847
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,200
way that you couldn't have, but 
it was take the extension was, 

848
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,200
right? 
I think the guaranteed portion I

849
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,300
was wrong. 
You're probably, you know, 

850
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:49,900
that's true. 
I don't know that you were going

851
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,900
to be, you know, in that era in 
this area that we're in. 

852
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:56,200
Now we see buyouts getting 
bigger and bigger. 

853
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:58,900
This is going to be part of the 
cost of doing business. 

854
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:01,600
I do think though, like, the 
problem that IU is had 

855
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,700
historically, is that they have 
consistently across multiple 

856
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:09,200
athletic directors, multiple 
formations of the athletic 

857
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,500
department, have consistently 
hired the wrong coaches. 

858
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,000
And then, you know, you think 
about all the momentum out of 

859
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,600
the hip Era and they hire Bill 
Lynch. 

860
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,700
And they felt like they had to 
because Lynch was the interim 

861
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:23,600
coach in the year that Hefner 
died. 

862
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:28,200
And so it was justifiable. 
But it also essentially put IU 

863
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,400
football back to square one. 
They fire Cameron probably a 

864
00:43:31,408 --> 00:43:35,700
year, too late and they replace 
them with dinardo and that 

865
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:38,100
kills, whatever momentum, they 
had coming out of, you know, 

866
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:42,600
beating Purdue and going five 
and six in 2001, you know, 

867
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:50,100
they've and I just keep thinking
back to The it's unfortunate and

868
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:51,600
I get, I don't think it's 
something that you can 

869
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,800
necessarily point the finger at 
the athletic department and 

870
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,700
blame them for other than the 
amount of the buyout that they 

871
00:43:57,700 --> 00:43:59,100
gave. 
Yes, I do think that that's 

872
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:03,200
something that you can be 
critical about, but it is to 

873
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,900
some degree. 
Some bad luck, that Tom Allen, 

874
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,400
when he looked like he was the 
right choice. 

875
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,300
He looked like he was, you know,
the Mallory 2.0 just does not 

876
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:16,100
appear to be capable of creating
the right culture. 

877
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:20,200
Long-term Have a winning 
football program and I would 

878
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,700
love that to be wrong because as
we said last time, we podcast 

879
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:25,200
that, he's an easy guy to root 
for. 

880
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,200
He sells Indiana football, very 
well. 

881
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,000
But when you look at what's 
going on on the field, it just 

882
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,200
looks like a program that is 
going nowhere, except backwards 

883
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:38,300
and I don't know what, how do 
you like what, how could you 

884
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:39,900
have predicted that two or three
years ago? 

885
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:43,200
I don't think you could have but
it doesn't negate the fact that 

886
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,700
it's an awful situation and 
either are you end up spending a

887
00:44:46,707 --> 00:44:49,900
lot of money trying to Educate 
themselves from it or they the 

888
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:53,200
program basically does what it 
does your did what it did like 

889
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,400
at the end of the 2000 s you 
know you are 100% right? 

890
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,700
And like to play big-time 
College. 

891
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:02,000
This is where I you frustrates 
me and then we can probably wrap

892
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,100
this up. 
Yeah, that leg down. 

893
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,000
Yes. 
But this is where I get 

894
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,600
frustrated is like they're 
trying. 

895
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,200
They kind of have it both ways. 
And one hand, they pay Alan and 

896
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,000
it's like, all right. 
Well, you got it. 

897
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,900
This is what real programs do is
they do. 

898
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:16,200
Big guaranteed contracts like, 
okay, and your power five 

899
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,600
conference and you're part of 
the Big Ten. 

900
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,500
This big media Network and tons 
of money. 

901
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:21,900
It's like, all right. 
So on one hand, they do with the

902
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:26,000
big boys schools do, but then, 
when it comes to, you know, if 

903
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,400
this was, I'm not and I'm not at
all making the comparison, but 

904
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,900
I'm just saying, look at this 
was happening at Notre Dame, or 

905
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:34,700
Ohio, State or Michigan. 
It's like buyout wouldn't really

906
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:39,700
matter like they the bit a real 
program would just pay this out,

907
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:43,000
deal with it and figure it out. 
So it's like on one hand, we get

908
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,700
the bad of all the being a good 
program of being a big program, 

909
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:47,600
you've got to pay a huge by, 
that's what you'll melt. 

910
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:49,600
Tucker's. 
Do we got to do it but then now 

911
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,900
that we're stuck staring at like
this really sucks. 

912
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:54,100
It's like well we don't have the
money, we're not really a big 

913
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:56,700
program like and that's the 
frustrating part is that you and

914
00:45:56,700 --> 00:46:00,900
I both know they're not going to
pay this out for two years but 

915
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:05,500
you know we joke if Mel Tucker 
had continued to lose for two 

916
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:08,900
straight years, Michigan state 
would have done something like 

917
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:12,700
and the his buyouts massive but 
you know real programs have big 

918
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:14,900
buyouts because they know in the
end it's like, alright from 

919
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:17,000
Notre Dame, it's a guy. 
I can get 40 million guaranteed 

920
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,800
because I could give Child will 
find donors to buy it out. 

921
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,800
And that's the problem was like 
Indiana is playing at the big 

922
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,600
kids table but they don't have 
the stack of chips and they're 

923
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,500
not playing like everyone else 
and then now that it's time to, 

924
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:31,100
all right? 
Like now you're do something. 

925
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:35,200
You gotta you basically, either 
got to like higher for Alan and 

926
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,700
figure it out or you got to buy 
him, you gotta do something. 

927
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:39,400
But he just going to be like, 
what we know the money it's 

928
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,000
like, well then you we honestly 
shouldn't be playing in the Big 

929
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,100
Ten. 
It's just that's what's 

930
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,800
frustrating is. 
They made the big boy move that 

931
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,500
everyone else did. 
And it's like now, okay, now, 

932
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:51,100
Now, and that's where I agree 
with you saying we haven't 

933
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:53,900
invested in the program is 
wrong, but I do think this is a 

934
00:46:53,908 --> 00:46:56,100
case where it is slightly, 
right? 

935
00:46:56,100 --> 00:47:00,500
And that, like, what other top 
five, you know, power Conference

936
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:04,000
teams would do here is, they 
would eat the buyout and move 

937
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,900
on. 
Like that is to your point that 

938
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:09,100
they would give the buyout. 
They would give the contract 

939
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:13,500
with the extension, but then if 
the shit hit the fan, this hard 

940
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,100
they would buy them out and move
on and honestly it's like we're 

941
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:18,400
not ready. 
Second part. 

942
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,300
So honestly, when the to go 
back, what the calculus should 

943
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:24,800
have been is like if your dogs 
are, if we can't afford a 40 

944
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,000
billion dollar buyout, then 
honestly, we probably should let

945
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,600
Alan walk and just try again, 
we're not at a point where we're

946
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,500
at, we're a program that can 
offer this kind of money. 

947
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,900
If things go wrong, we got to 
let him walk and we got to hope.

948
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:39,200
We can hire the next week. 
That's honestly where this 

949
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,200
program is. 
That is they are the stepping 

950
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,800
stone to other. 
Programs were not a real program

951
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,700
that can offer a 40 50 million 
million dollar contract 

952
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:49,200
guaranteed because Cuz we're not
willing to pay it out. 

953
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:53,400
I just keep coming back to I 
just, I don't see the route back

954
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,300
from where they're at right now.
I just don't, I and it sucks. 

955
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,400
It really does. 
I just now see the route for 

956
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,100
next year or the year after 
that's the thing. 

957
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:05,000
It's like, I mean, you're going 
to get most of this team back of

958
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,200
- the ones that transfer and you
don't have a lot of emerging 

959
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,500
young talent and you don't have 
a clear quarterback, you know, 

960
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:16,200
that and you don't have a line 
and you don't like you said, 

961
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,300
you're kind of locked in with 
this coaching staff because you 

962
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:23,600
can't keep Assistant coaches. 
And you're, you know, you're 

963
00:48:23,607 --> 00:48:25,900
gonna have to rebuild the 
offensive line from scratch with

964
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:29,600
a new coach. 
Like, I don't, where's the route

965
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,700
to respectability? 
I mean, you look at the schedule

966
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:35,100
next year and it's no better. 
And, and, you know, the people 

967
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:36,700
looking at it and saying, oh, 
well, they should win all their 

968
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:38,300
non-conference games. 
Like they had a Louisville on a 

969
00:48:38,308 --> 00:48:40,800
neutral site and Louisville's, 
not great, but Louisville's bed 

970
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,600
in Indiana, you know, I mean, 
you've, we talked about Mel 

971
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,500
Tucker and it's like, well, 
least Indiana is not Michigan 

972
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:48,500
State. 
I got news for you guys. 

973
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:49,900
Michigan, State's going to make 
a bowl. 

974
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,000
Make a bowl. 
They're gonna go at least 66 be 

975
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,100
beating. 
Yeah, they're going to get 

976
00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:57,300
Bolder ability probably by 
beating Indiana two weeks from 

977
00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:59,900
now a do the same. 
Like, we choking. 

978
00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:02,000
I got prettier like, you know, 
they get this Blood up II with a

979
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,800
guess, what? 
They're gonna beat us and get to

980
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,800
a bowl on that wind. 
Yeah, it's, it's really, it's 

981
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,000
really Disturbed and actually a 
pretty will already have bowls 

982
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,500
ability because they're going to
beat Northwestern at home. 

983
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:15,300
Yeah, two weeks. 
So they will be playing for a 

984
00:49:15,308 --> 00:49:17,500
better Bowl in the game that 
they play against us. 

985
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:20,500
But we're still, hey, we're 
still theoretically Oil. 

986
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,600
Jewel, Gala we are still 
theoretical for and actually, 

987
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,200
even if even even when not if 
you even when Indiana losses to 

988
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,200
Ohio State next week, which by 
the way, is Big noon kickoff on 

989
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,700
Fox? 
It's the no better game. 

990
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:38,800
Like that's funny. 
I was texting with might be a 40

991
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,900
James and I were joking that's 
on Crimson cash. 

992
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:44,700
Like it could be a 40 point, 
spread it may actually there 

993
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:47,600
might be some good value because
a lot of people took a beating 

994
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,300
because I think I think Ohio 
State was like a 38-point 

995
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:54,000
favorite against Northwestern 
and they only won by 14. 

996
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:57,400
So I bet they'll be some gun-shy
wines there. 

997
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,600
That people will take advantage 
of I don't even I don't even 

998
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,800
think that's got a forecast on 
it yet. 

999
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:06,100
But yeah, I mean it's really no 
better games like Washington 

1000
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:09,200
Oregon, but that you can't play 
that game at 9 a.m. 

1001
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,900
Pacific Time LSU Arkansas would 
have been good, but Arkansas had

1002
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:17,100
to go and then obviously Fox 
doesn't have the SEC contract, 

1003
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:20,000
so that wouldn't have mattered. 
I mean /, do it. 

1004
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,200
Noise is probably a better 
football game, but neither of 

1005
00:50:23,207 --> 00:50:26,100
those teams have any fans. 
Whereas, Ohio state has, like, 

1006
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:28,200
half the Eastern Seaboard 
watching them. 

1007
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,800
So, yeah, there really isn't a 
better game to put on 

1008
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,500
television, but it's just wild. 
But anyway, even when I do an 

1009
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:38,800
NBA game, but be like before the
yeah, I got sidetracked, the 

1010
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,200
reason I was saying that it's 
technically Indiana could still 

1011
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,600
be, could still go to a bowl at 
5:00 and 7:00. 

1012
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,100
Rutgers did it. 
Last year? 

1013
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:49,700
We Yukon could do it this year. 
It's just not gonna happen. 

1014
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:52,000
They're not going to win any of 
their remaining games. 

1015
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000
They just, I mean, there's 
nothing they're not playing like

1016
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,100
they're even going to be 
competitive and it's hard for me

1017
00:50:57,100 --> 00:50:59,200
to look at Michigan State and 
say, oh well, Michigan, State's 

1018
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,700
and travel agencies walked in 
and beat Illinois yesterday that

1019
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:05,200
game that East Lansing. 
And that's see. 

1020
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,700
That's the thing that we're 
going to stop. 

1021
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:09,000
After this, which has become 
like a bitching session, but 

1022
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,000
that's the thing that pisses me 
off like that Michigan State 

1023
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,200
team. 
By all accounts should have 

1024
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,000
gotten run against Illinois. 
Illinois had all the momentum 

1025
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,000
Michigan State at just suspended
eight of its players for that 

1026
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,300
crap that they pulled in. 
In the tunnel at Michigan, you 

1027
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:26,000
know, Michigan State and 
everything's gone wrong for 

1028
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,700
them. 
This year yet, they were able 

1029
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:32,600
somehow to pick themselves up 
off the carpet and, you know, 

1030
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,300
they walk into Illinois who was 
a top 15 team and they beat them

1031
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:42,400
by 8 and it's like the fact that
they're able to do that kind of 

1032
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,600
highlights the problems with 
infrastructure at IU, where it's

1033
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,100
like once we saw that I you was 
incapable of winning at 

1034
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,000
Nebraska, it was very clear that
that was it. 

1035
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:53,000
It where is it? 
Where is even just three or four

1036
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,900
years ago? 
I would have felt somewhat 

1037
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:57,500
confident that Indiana could 
have gotten obliterated in the 

1038
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:59,900
game and then turned around pick
themselves back up and be 

1039
00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:02,600
competitive in the next. 
And I just I don't see it with 

1040
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,100
this system commission. 
Say they lost four in a row 

1041
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:07,200
after that Washington game and 
they came back and Beat Dat 

1042
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,800
Wisconsin. 
Like do you think we could play 

1043
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,300
Wisconsin home and beat them 
this year? 

1044
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:16,500
No, no anyway, all right, yeah, 
well we found out we were hoping

1045
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:19,400
this would be quick and then we 
discarded complain or these or 

1046
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,100
these Yeah. 
Hey, one of us has to do the 

1047
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:25,500
preview podcasts to so 
delightful stuff. 

1048
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:27,800
Hey, we can hold on real quick. 
We can do the Ohio State won 

1049
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,300
now. 
Hey, thanks for joining Crimson 

1050
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:31,200
cast to play at Ohio State on 
Saturday, were going to lose 

1051
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,500
have a great time. 
It's not here. 

1052
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,100
Big news Saturday, check it out 
on Fox at noon. 

1053
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:37,500
I've no idea who the quarterback
is going to be our team is know 

1054
00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:39,900
who the quarterback or 
cornerbacks don't who the 

1055
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:43,100
quarterback is gonna be. 
So yeah, go ahead and bet the 

1056
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,800
Ohio State. 
The point to see you guys on 

1057
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,400
Sunday talking to Scott, right? 
Thanks so much. 

1058
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,900
Bye home fields. 
We can 50% off home from a code.

1059
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:52,000
Wow. 
That's, I love the efficiency. 

1060
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:54,800
This is great. 
You solved. 

1061
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,500
My weakest is delightful anyway.
All right. 

1062
00:52:57,500 --> 00:53:02,300
Well, folks, you have a safe and
healthy and happy next week and 

1063
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:05,300
hopefully Indiana, figure 
something out. 

1064
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:07,100
Basketball starts on Monday. 
We're going to talk some 

1065
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:12,500
basketball soon as we get some 
initial Impressions underway and

1066
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:15,100
I don't know, we'll see what 
happens with everything here for

1067
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,300
Scott. 
I'm Galen. 

1068
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,800
This is Crimson cast. 
We appreciate you listening, as 

1069
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,400
always be sure to In in, 
throughout the course of the 

1070
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,000
upcoming month, lot of fun stuff
going on with IU Athletics, as 

1071
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,700
basketball gets underway and 
football stops. 

1072
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,600
Anyway, we'll catch you folks on
the flip side. 

1073
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,100
Bring back the Bison. 
So long, everybody.