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Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 

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Galen Clavio joining you. 
It is probably for most of you 

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Saturday, March 9th. 
I'm actually recording this at 

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the very tail end of Friday 
March 8th as we enter into the 

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middle part of March. 
And not great news to start 

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things off with for IU as the 
women lose in a bit of a 

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surprise up in Minneapolis in 
the first, well, it was the 

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second round. 
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technically the third round of 
the Big 10 tournament. 

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A double buy does not do the 
Hoosiers the favors that they 

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need. 
After leading by 16 points in 

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the first half, they end up 
losing a pretty significant 

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margin to Michigan. 
Big asterisk on the game as 

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Mackenzie Holmes barely played 
and only played really because 

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the game had gotten almost out 
of control and Indiana was 

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trying to save it. 
She could not do a whole lot out

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there and Indiana just kind of 
got walloped at the end by 

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Michigan as unfortunately the 
shots just not falling for 

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Indiana in that game. 
So Hoosiers will have to wait 

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quite a while to see what 
happens in terms of the NCAA 

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tournament, as at the end of it 
all it may not matter that much.

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A lot of times conference 
tournament losses aren't really 

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considered all too closely 
unless you're a borderline team,

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but we'll see what happens with 
seeding for Indiana. 

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Obviously the Hoosiers hoping to
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games at Assembly Hall, which 
they would do if they were a top

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four seed in any of the regions.
We'll have to see what happens, 

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so we'll keep an eye on that 
moving forward. 

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But unfortunately for the IU 
women, their Big 10 tournament 

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comes to an early close in a 
tournament where a lot of the 

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top seeds are lost. 
Ohio State lost earlier in the 

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day and Michigan State who was 
the four seed losing to Nebraska

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who was the five S Also not a 
great week obviously so far for 

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IU men's basketball or at least 
a mixed week as the positive 

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news of IU defeating Minnesota 
on Wednesday was kind of 

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cancelled out the next day by IU
losing 5 star recruit Liam 

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Mcneely. 
So we've got a podcast coming up

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with myself and Scott where 
we'll talk about that and just 

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kind of the overall situation 
with IU basketball kind of at 

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length, but we got a different 
agenda for this podcast. 

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right, let's head to the podcast
that we have on tap today. 

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And I'm excited bringing back 
one of my favorite former 

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students who's now a very 
successful media personality in 

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her own right. 
Many IU fans out there first 

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encountered her as Hoosier lists
way back in the 2012, 2013, 2014

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era of IU basketball. 
Her name is Alyssa Andrews. 

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She is a practicing 
meteorologist working in Boston.

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Many of you saw her for a few 
years in Indianapolis, where she

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was a meteorologist there, and 
we had a long and kind of 

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winding conversation that 
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things. 
We talked about what her time 

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was like at IU, what got her 
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how she ended up going down the 
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We talked for quite a bit about 
a topic that she and I have 

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discussed a lot over the course 
of the years, which is the need 

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for sports broadcasters and 
sports broadcasts to pay 

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attention to the weather a 
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what they're talking about. 
And we also talked about IU 

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fandom and kind of where 
everything's at right now with 

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just, you know, the the whole 
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as IU fans in the 20 tens and 
how they're feeling about 

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everything. 
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maybe for the first time. 
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back in the old days when we 
would do the show when she was 

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here, but she's here now. 
It's Alyssa Andrews. 

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You might remember her as 
Hoosier lists. 

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You might remember her as Alyssa
Andrews, meteorologist in 

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Indianapolis. 
It's good to have you back. 

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Great to see you. 
It's. 

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Good to be back. 
Hey y'all, it's Who's your list?

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YouTube's number one Indiana 
fan. 

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Gosh, I was such a troll even 
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It's it was a great time. 
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think and it's let's start there
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are in a reflective mood about 
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things are not going great. 
You were here at IU between 

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what, 2011 and 2015? 
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And so let's go back to that. 
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IU was kind of coming out of the
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And I think maybe first of all, 
let's like a little bit of back 

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story on how how Hoosier list 
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place. 
Like where did you grow up and 

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and why did you come to IU? 
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grew up, I went to Center Grove,
so grew up right here just north

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of Bloomington, and it was just 
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It was like I didn't even know 
much about any of the colleges 

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around me. 
I just always and forever heard 

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about IU. 
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It's like the darling school of 
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think I have. 
I have to be fair and I'm just 

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learning. 
I'm learning more of my recent 

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Twitter shenanigans as of late 
because I am a recent I I don't 

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know all the the old school 
history of IU. 

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So it's funny because we're 
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temperature of the fan base and 
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basically, I mean I know more 
now but like 2011 and on where I

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find myself. 
It's so funny because I'm like, 

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what do you mean we we've been 
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like what about what about 2013?
And do you know how silly I feel

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right now saying well? 
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valid perspective and one of the
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across, first of all, that was a
while ago. 

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I mean that was almost 15 years 
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How? 
I know it was a couple weeks 

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ago. 
I'm telling you now, they make a

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couple years. 
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there's a whole generation of IU
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distance between 2011 and now is
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the folks in the in the podcast 
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same difference between 1989 and
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It's the same difference between
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Like that. 
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And yet the last 15 years feels 
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But there's a lot of people who 
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like O 809-1011, twelve. 
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mini renaissance of IU 
basketball where everything felt

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like it was like, well, this is 
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We're a top level program and 
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winning Big 10 titles. 
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people, they have a similar 
perspective where it's like I 

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keep hearing all this history, 
but it doesn't resonate with me 

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because I wasn't around for all 
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Right in my my introduction 
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the Indiana, Kentucky game. 
The watch shot like that was. 

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Your freshman year. 
That was my freshman year. 

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I had student tickets. 
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I mean I'll tell you I remember 
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it pops up on my like timeline. 
Facebook looking back, memories 

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thing I posted on Facebook and I
was like, hey, I've got tickets 

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to the IU Kentucky game tonight.
Does anybody want them? 

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Like I'll sell them or whatever?
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if you do anything and you're 
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student, go to that game, go to 
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And I had no idea like, what I 
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basketball, all these things. 
But to see it just up close and 

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personal and just the pageantry 
of everything, when your eyes 

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are open to that for the first 
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thing. 
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made my first, like, YouTube 
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sports and stuff. 
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I knew nothing. 
I knew that. 

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And that's why it like, worked 
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to talk about the XS and I was 
like, I wasn't trying to know 

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all the history, know anything. 
And so it just kind of was my 

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own ironic little bubble that I 
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Holes era, that was that was fun
for me and I think as good as we

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But I know ever for other people
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we need a lot more and so I 
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I just feel like in my 
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I loved it from that. 
Yeah. 

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Well no. 
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of people that was that was 
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degree for a lot of people now 
it's like wow that would be nice

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to go back to just that period 
of success where you're you're 

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playing an important games and 
and you're winning some of them 

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and and you know you're in the 
tournament and and winning games

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there and that hasn't really 
been standard for the last 

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several years. 
So it's interesting and I think 

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for the it's tough for me as 
someone who's obviously lived 

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through a little bit more of IU 
trying to reconcile the 

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different eras of people and 
what they expect cause like you 

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know I remember coming to IU 
when I was a student and it was 

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the tail end of the night era 
and it was everything all the 

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successes were recent enough 
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of that was not just the 
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You look back on it and it's 
like I was actually that was 

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already in the past and that's 
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as a professor to experience all
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is different, but this vibe is 
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It's not quite as good now and 
that's an interesting thing for 

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a lot of people to process, but 
go ahead. 

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Oh well, I was just thinking 
like being blind to that whole 

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time before the, as you called 
it, the mini Renaissance in like

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2013. 
Like not having that first hand,

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those those bums, like just 
being bummed out on the lower 

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times, like to sit in their 
sophomore year and it's like 

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we've got the number two, number
four draft pick, like we're 

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preseason ranked number one. 
Like I just thought that was 

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life. 
Yeah, I hope that was, Yeah. 

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That's normal. 
Yeah. 

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It and as it turned out, it was 
not. 

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But it would have been nice. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, that's the problem. 
Yeah. 

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Then you then you had the rest 
of your time at IE. 

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Well, so let's you mentioned 
you, you come back from that 

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Kentucky game and you start 
making your first videos. 

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And so this is really where you 
as a media entity start to 

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develop. 
So what was that process like 

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for you in terms of kind of 
cultivating an online audience 

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as a content creator at a time 
when there weren't a lot of 

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people doing that, There weren't
a lot of places to put your 

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stuff, and you knew you were 
gonna be looked at in a certain 

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way for doing what you were 
doing? 

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Mm hmm. 
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aspect of being a college kid. 
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I was in college my. 
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the things all the big important
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carried a a traditional sports I
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you know what I'm trying to say?
What am I trying to say? 

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I couldn't have? 
It would have been hard for you 

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to do a traditional show or like
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you were doing something 
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I look back and I'm like, none 
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People, like, bought into it and

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were OK with it. 
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Who's your list? 
I I talked with this like accent

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and and the amount of people 
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I really was or oh, you know 
what I'm just remembering what 

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do you remember? 
Casual Gamer read. 

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I very much do. 
There we go. 

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It was I responded to. 
He was like. 

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This was a Kentucky content 
creator. 

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Yes, and Indiana basketball is 
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So I just tried to mirror him 
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And then it was based off of all
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internship to go. 
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something serious and bigger. 
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maybe do something with this, 
which I hadn't thought of and it

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just wasn't as big of a thing 
then. 

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Right. 
Yeah. 

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And it was, it was a different 
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because I mean you know, I, for 
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podcast know all this, but for 
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to the audience. 
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the late 90s, early 2000s. 
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couldn't at IU. 
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faculty member, it was still 
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really talented people and 
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happen. 
A Big 10 student U happened 

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where we're broadcasting games 
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need color commentary, we need 
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people who are comfortable on 
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the forerunner to the what's now
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Twitter at the time was actually
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And you know, I remember. 
Those days. 

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of starting to take off. 
And so I remember, you know, you

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were in that kind of second wave
of people, 'cause like the first

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wave was a lot of people that 
we've had on the show before. 

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You guys know, it's like 
Courtney Cronin was in that 

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first wave, who's now the ESPN 
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Trisha Whitaker was in that 
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reporter for the Tampa Bay Rays.
Cody Sharrett was in that wave. 

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Sam Day Wig was in that way. 
We had a bunch of people like 

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that. 
But you were in that second wave

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of people where you know when 
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sideline stuff and play by play 
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Remember Jeremy Gray from IU 
Athletics? 

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Contact me. 
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first year total. 
We do 120 now and when you were 

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in school we it seems. 
Like you guys are doing a ton. 

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It was like 30 a year by the 
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But it was like, we need people 
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And it's like, well, I mean, 
who's your list? 

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Seems like the type of person 
that we could get into this. 

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And you did well, it was like, 
and then we were just talking 

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about this upstairs. 
It's if you understand how 

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content works and you understand
like how to interact with an 

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audience, you can kind of do 
that in almost any venue as long

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as you're confident and 
comfortable in yourself. 

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Yeah. 
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did that in sports for a little 
bit did it in news doing it in 

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weather now. 
So it's you can really kind of 

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move around quite a bit if you 
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which has been this this program
has just grown so much. 

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It's really amazing the work 
you've done. 

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I wish that I we could put the 
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and like filter it into this 
somehow so everyone but you know

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people that know know and and 
what's crazy is I got so lucky 

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to come here because I had no 
idea. 

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It was very accidental. 
I mean and and we, you know, 

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again, it's one of those where 
sometimes that's how it works 

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out, where you go somewhere 
because I'm going to go to that 

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university because it seems like
a where you wish to go. 

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I know you're a kid from Center 
Grove. 

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Certainly you're like, yeah, of 
course I'm going to IU. 

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Right, right. 
Exactly. 

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But that's the joys of college 
sometimes is You go and you end 

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up stumbling into something that
you never thought that you 

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would. 
And look, I think you, you 

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deserve a lot of credit because 
you're while you were in 

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college, that was a path people 
weren't taking. 

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And you figured out a way to 
make it work at a time when it 

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wasn't easy. 
I mean, you know, it's like 

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everybody's walking around with 
iPhones now where you can do all

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of these things pretty easily. 
That was not the case in 2000. 

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13 No, no, no, had to I gosh, I 
went into yeah, I got got some 

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equipment, tried to figure it 
out, just play around messing 

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around doing whatever. 
And it's certainly different 

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now. 
But gosh, also, I want to say 

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too, the You sponsored my 
individualized major before. 

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Before the media school was the 
media school, which is funny, 

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'cause I technically graduated 
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wasn't wasn't. 
You know, I didn't go to this 

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particular school, but I social 
media, journalism, production 

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and delivery. 
I mean, you made it happen 

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before. 
It was all really happening 

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well. 
You know, and we've got, we 

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actually have a social media 
degree now and we've got we've, 

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you know we've. 
Got Professors told me 

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absolutely no and never before I
got to. 

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You. 
I didn't know that. 

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When we still have the 
journalism school and at my 

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freshman year, I was like, I 
want to major in social media 

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and they're like they're they're
just absolutely shut down. 

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No way on earth is that ever a 
possibility. 

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You cannot combine media and 
journalism and TV and like, no. 

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I I would say more, but I I 
might get electrocuted if I say 

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anything here. 
So I'm just not going to, I'm 

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not going to say anything that's
that's interesting. 

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It doesn't surprise me. 
But I mean, look, my thing is. 

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I'm glad I found you because you
made it. 

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Happen. 
Well, I'm glad. 

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I'm glad you did too. 
And I mean, I think ultimately, 

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you know what I've always felt 
is two things. 

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A technology never stops and 
social media is just media by 

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different means. 
You know what? 

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What we would have done 25 years
ago, we're doing in a a place 

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where all the media combines 
now. 

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Whereas before the the the 
written stuff was over here and 

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the video stuff was over here 
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here. 
I said, well, we can put it all 

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in one spot. 
That's important. 

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But it's also like, you know, if
we're not breaking down 

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boundaries at the college level 
and saying, well, let's try 

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something new. 
I mean, how do how do new 

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industries get created? 
How do new job pathways get 

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created? 
I mean, they're not coming, not 

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necessarily coming from the 
profession. 

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They're coming from people 
coming up who are saying what if

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I combined this and this? 
Well, I'm sure we haven't even 

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talked about this, but I'm sure 
I can just guess your position 

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on incorporating AI into all 
this somehow. 

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Because you know how everyone 
there's people who are certainly

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scared of it don't want it to be
anywhere near. 

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But I'm. 
I'm sure you're finding a way to

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use it and. 
I've had to give this talk 

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several times and my thought is 
with AI you know what AI will 

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easily replace is media content 
that reports what happened. 

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What it won't replace is why it 
happened and who was involved 

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and what their back stories were
in a way that makes sense to 

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human beings, you know, So, 
look, to some degree, I think a 

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lot of what we relied on the 
basis of media for was this idea

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that we need the media to tell 
us what had occurred. 

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Well, we still need that, but 
that's something a computer can 

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probably do. 
You know, there's a lot of 

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algorithmic stuff to fix with 
that. 

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But the personal stories, the 
the the kind of granular 

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analysis of of situations, being
able to make connections and 

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then describe them in a way that
makes sense to other human 

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beings. 
I don't know that AI is ever 

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going to be able to effectively 
do that. 

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And you know, that's, I think 
it's one of the key things with 

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media school. 
Like it's it's really about 

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telling stories and you know. 
The personal touch and every 

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it's the same reason why they've
tried this in so many markets. 

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In some places it happens, but 
there'll be 1 meteorologist that

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does the weather for several 
different cities and they kind 

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of can get away with. 
But then once the people find 

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out that they're not actually 
local, it doesn't work and then 

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it kind of falls apart quickly 
and they go back to having 

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individual meteorologists in 
each place. 

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So it's the human touch. 
This happened with radio where, 

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you know, there was a period 
because when I got when I was 

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going into radio, you know, you 
still had a lot of local radio 

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stations doing things and then 
you had the clear channels or 

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the whatever they call them, I 
hearts now. 

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And you know the Cumulus and 
they would buy up these stations

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and rather than have 10 DJs, 
they'd hire one DJ, pay them 

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$100,000 a year and have them 
voice track 10 different 

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stations. 
And it's like that actually 

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doesn't work. 
It may it looks dynamite on 

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paper to some person in a 
corporate suite, but people need

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content that is personally 
addressed to them in some way, 

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shape or form. 
Whether it's you know 

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specifically stated, I think 
it's it's interesting now in 

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sports and I think it's why what
you did with IU content was so 

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fascinating because if it's 
tailored to an A particular 

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audience A niche audience, 
there's a there's a market there

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because you know, I mean what 
what's the big complaint about 

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ESPN? 
It's that they only focus on a 

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couple of of cities or a couple 
of teams and everything else 

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might as well not exist and you 
know you turn on first take or 

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you turn on whatever and it's 
all Lakers or Yankees or Red Sox

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and that's great if you're fans 
of those teams and yes they do 

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the most business but let leaves
everybody else feeling like they

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don't matter and it's why this 
podcast Crimson cast and and our

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partners in the back home 
network at assembly call. 

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I think it's why they're as 
popular as they are because it's

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about Indiana and it's being 
done by people who understand it

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and it's not people astroturfing
in from somewhere else. 

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You know and that's weather's 
weather is like the most primal 

449
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,160
thing in media because at the 
end of the day I think people 

450
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,920
could give or take. 
You know, did someone get 

451
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,920
murdered across town or does the
school board doing something 

452
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,760
they shouldn't do What they 
can't give or take? 

453
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,960
Is is it going to rain today or 
do I need to wear a coat or are 

454
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,000
there storms? 
Who do I go, you know, listen 

455
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,280
to, to tell me if there's 
something going on that might, 

456
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,680
like impact. 
My family And sports is very 

457
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,560
similar because that is as much 
about social identity as it is 

458
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,840
about the score or about the 
athlete. 

459
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,480
And you want someone who you 
trust, who you feel like, OK, 

460
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,440
that person knows what they're 
talking about. 

461
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,240
And I know that they have a 
similar vibe to me in terms of 

462
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,720
things. 
Even if we might disagree on 

463
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,000
certain stuff, I know I want 
that person telling me those. 

464
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,600
Right. 
And that's that's why you see, 

465
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,080
you know, there's so many local 
meteorologist, hopefully people 

466
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,200
can find one that they trust. 
Sometimes I'll say the apps are 

467
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,640
good, but other times you just 
can't rely on that. 

468
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,280
And I don't know if now is the 
time to like go into let's do 

469
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,480
that. 
Well, yeah, since since we're 

470
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,560
talking about weather a little. 
Bit. 

471
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,240
Well, so you, I mean, so you 
know you you did the Hoosier 

472
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,800
list thing until you graduated 
or a little bit before. 

473
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:38,800
Yeah. 
And then? 

474
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,120
Then I had a craving to for some
reason I needed to be validated 

475
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:45,360
by serious news or I don't know 
it's it's hard when you're in 

476
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:47,800
college you're struggling to 
figure out your identity you're 

477
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,320
doing these and it's like at the
time there wasn't like 

478
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,600
influencers. 
So you that wasn't a that wasn't

479
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,600
a career path. 
You know, I was trying to be 

480
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,520
serious and grow my content up a
little bit I. 

481
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,600
Think it was still, like five 
years away? 

482
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,040
And and and like dance videos. 
So I was weird for doing dance 

483
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,800
videos in college. 
Now like everyone's. 

484
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,360
I mean the professional news 
cat. 

485
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:12,640
The irony of professionals on 
the news desk doing dance like 

486
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,840
trend videos which I don't. 
I don't even I don't do that 

487
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,560
you've. 
Done your time with that I was. 

488
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,960
Like that my that gas pedal was 
in 2013. 

489
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,040
We went, we had our viral time 
and immediately tried to, like, 

490
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,400
erase, scrub all, all traces of 
myself from the Internet. 

491
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,560
But I. 
Well, so there's one thing about

492
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,600
your so I teach a lot of 
broadcast students and I have 

493
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,400
for years. 
And one of the things about your

494
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,920
story, I still bring up to 
people. 

495
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,680
So most people, you know, you 
get close to graduation. 

496
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,600
It's not like Kelly. 
Oh yeah, it's like a Business 

497
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,480
School where, oh, I've got a job
in like late October for the 

498
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,440
following year. 
Most broadcast students, you're 

499
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,720
applying everywhere and you're 
struggling like just to get 

500
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,120
people to even notice your 
stuff. 

501
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,600
You had so much stuff on YouTube
at the time. 

502
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,280
If I remember correctly, you had
people contacting you asking you

503
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,320
to apply for jobs. 
I didn't realize how how like 

504
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,600
maybe uncommon that might have 
been but at the time and and 

505
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,960
that's probably that's the 
reason why I ended up not even 

506
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,480
taking a sports job after 
college. 

507
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,080
Which is funny ironic or 
whatever because I worked so 

508
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,240
hard for that and was like that 
made that my entire identity and

509
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,680
then went into news reporting 
just because I was like okay to 

510
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,920
the first like news director was
like hey you wanna come do this.

511
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,040
And it was close to home. 
I wanted to be, if you're gonna 

512
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,920
have to go, take a small market 
first job. 

513
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,360
Anyways, being close to home was
important to me. 

514
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:38,680
So Terre Haute IN I went and 
ended up being I I can't imagine

515
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,480
not going there now because I 
met Jesse Walker, my chief 

516
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,920
meteorologist. 
I mean, as soon as I started. 

517
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,560
And from getting live shot 
experience working with you and 

518
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,760
the Big 10 student network and 
the way that you've developed 

519
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,560
students to have tapes to be 
seen to do all this stuff 

520
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,880
they're like well you you you do
sports you can just just go in 

521
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,880
front of the green wall AD Lib a
little bit like figure it out. 

522
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,920
I'm like trust me I don't know 
anything about weather do not 

523
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,520
put me on I the story this is 
the probably I'm a degree 

524
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,720
meteorologist now so I feel 
comfy saying this but at I 

525
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,200
remember in college this is so 
bad I called my mom and I was 

526
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,640
like it's 60° do we should I 
prepare for shorts like are we 

527
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,680
wearing sweatshirts like what 
are we doing and why was I 

528
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,360
calling my mom and why didn't I 
just step outside. 

529
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,800
So many questions, I promise. 
And I don't know he'd call your 

530
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,240
mom for everything but and so 
now you know. 

531
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,560
So that's I told them I was 
like, that's the level I'm at. 

532
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,760
But I loved it. 
And then and. 

533
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,040
This was not what you went there
for originally. 

534
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,240
You were like a news multimedia 
journalist. 

535
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,360
Right. 
And it was it was like a you 

536
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:44,520
know some news some sports and 
just kind of whatever MMJ job. 

537
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,840
And I I really, I don't know why
I didn't think about it care 

538
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,160
about too much. 
I was just like sure if I just 

539
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,200
felt right, I was like, all 
right. 

540
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,000
It was close to home and it was 
just where I what I decided to 

541
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:59,640
do and and then and then I fell 
in love with weather and I went 

542
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,760
back to school to get my 
master's degree in meteorology 

543
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,760
after a laundry list of some 
science and math courses, of 

544
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,800
course, because I was an arts 
major, so. 

545
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,120
Yeah, how was that? 
Because I so I've always said my

546
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:14,600
biggest regret in life was not 
going down the the weather path.

547
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,240
There's always time. 
Well, it's a little late for me,

548
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,400
I think, but I I I grew up 
loving weather, you know, I 

549
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960
remember I had a transformative 
moment. 

550
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,120
My, it was 7 or 8. 
National Geographic had an issue

551
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:29,640
that was all about tornado 
chasing. 

552
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,200
And I remember reading, I read 
that front to back like multiple

553
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,760
times. 
And you know, it was just 

554
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,520
always, but I never really, I 
was I loved sports more, so I 

555
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,600
went down that pathway. 
But yeah, you, So you go to, you

556
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,320
go from Terre Haute to 
Lexington, KY and you're there 

557
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,520
and you decide to do the online 
master's program through 

558
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,640
Mississippi State, which is like
kind of one of the main places 

559
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,720
to go do this type of a degree 
if you're a meteorologist that's

560
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,760
trying to get a certification, 
right. 

561
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,160
So because most people like you 
can do weather without having 

562
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,200
that, but you can't become like 
a certified meteorologist unless

563
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,840
you have the Master's degree. 
Exactly. 

564
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:07,840
So what? 
So what? 

565
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,920
It was another recruiting 
situation where they were they 

566
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,200
were trying very hard to to get 
me in and I've been very honest 

567
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,200
about you know pay in a small 
market first job it's not a lot 

568
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,600
you're you're struggling to get 
by. 

569
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,960
Can I say how much I made? 
Yeah. 

570
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,040
I made $10.00 an hour and I and 
I would tell everybody I saw too

571
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,240
because it was it was. 
So I thought that was so 

572
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,120
fascinating. 
Honestly it was it was such a 

573
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,840
hard time. 
Like I was just telling the 

574
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,920
story earlier. 
I would go into work sometimes 

575
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,880
with one contact in my eye you 
guys, because it was saving 

576
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,440
money. 
That's where I was and that's OK

577
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,320
and and it so it makes more 
sense when you know the reason I

578
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,040
I left my job in Terre Haute was
because the news director in 

579
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,080
Lexington was recruiting me 
pretty heavily and she they told

580
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,280
me all I needed to know which 
was we'll pay for your master's 

581
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,840
degree. 
We'll put you back to school 

582
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,080
which at $10.00 an hour. 
I was never going to become a 

583
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,920
meteorologist at that rate 
because you know you're paying 

584
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,560
student loans back you're you're
trying to just make rent. 

585
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,560
I mean it it wasn't going to 
happen. 

586
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,720
Right. 
And I also didn't want to be 

587
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,480
it's so hard to, like really 
word this because I don't have 

588
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,360
any, I don't have no negative 
feelings towards people who are 

589
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,960
in the broadcast business doing 
weather that aren't 

590
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,600
meteorologists. 
And I think I, I, I feel comfier

591
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,800
saying that because it was tough
on me not being a meteorologist 

592
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,400
yet when I was reporting 
weather. 

593
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,440
And it that community can be so 
Snooty and persnickety. 

594
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,800
But I get it because when I went
through school, it was like, Oh 

595
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,480
my goodness. 
There's a lot I didn't know. 

596
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,760
Oh my. 
Gosh well and I and and as I 

597
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,080
just I always I wanted. 
My goal was to always come back 

598
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,440
to Indianapolis to to be. 
I interned at Fox 59, did my 

599
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,000
sports internship there with 
Chris Hagan, and it was a great 

600
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,560
experience. 
I went back a couple years and 

601
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,880
did that with him. 
And so my goal was always to 

602
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,200
come back home to Indy and I 
thought it was going to be doing

603
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,560
sports, but ended up, you know, 
becoming meteorologist, doing 

604
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,720
that. 
So I knew I wasn't going to get 

605
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,440
there like the Indianapolis, 
first of all, the top 25 market,

606
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,920
it's a severe weather market and
I mean so we're going to have 

607
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,200
tornadoes or thunderstorms and I
knew I wasn't going to get a 

608
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,400
job. 
I was not going to get hired in 

609
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,840
that at that level without the 
credentials. 

610
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,120
And besides that, I wanted them.
I wanted those credentials. 

611
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,920
So yeah, so before but before 
the program would even accept 

612
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,440
me, right. 
I had to take 'cause I remember 

613
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,080
my As for undergrad, I gosh, as 
an arts major, The one science 

614
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,120
class. 
Yeah, yeah, the one thing I had 

615
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,480
to get the heck out of there. 
Like, I mean, I think I took a 

616
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,440
one science class about, like, 
rocks. 

617
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,240
Don't remember any of it. 
Like geology. 

618
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,440
Maybe you got to. 
See. 

619
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,200
Who knows what even happened in 
there. 

620
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,040
So I had to prove they're like, 
oh, like, you know, no way. 

621
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,120
Like, you're gonna tell. 
Here you go. 

622
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,520
Here's the list. 
And so I went all the way 

623
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,880
through a series of calculus all
went up to Calc 3, differential 

624
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,160
equations. 
There's science, physics, math. 

625
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,120
So, so many different kinds of 
degrees you can do in in 

626
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,080
certificates, in meteorology. 
But I wanted the full like to be

627
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,000
basically to be able to work at 
the National Weather Service. 

628
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,440
So all of your weather courses 
have to be based in in calc, in 

629
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,080
physics instead of just you can 
learn about the weather or you 

630
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,560
can learn about it with like the
more technical you know stuff. 

631
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,480
So I wanted that went and did it
was. 

632
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,640
I mean I was I was working full 
time as a Monday through Friday 

633
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,760
morning meteorologist or morning
weather anchor. 

634
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,440
I was very specific. 
I said do you guys don't don't 

635
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,160
call me because TV stations 
they'll they'll just advertise 

636
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,160
you as a meteorologist. 
But it was so important to me 

637
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,960
and special to me to be able to 
finally say I was a 

638
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,320
meteorologist. 
So that was really cool to get 

639
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,040
that credential. 
And then I was ready to go to 

640
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,840
Indy. 
So and then now I'm now I'm in. 

641
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,880
Boston, here in Boston. 
Yeah, at the CBS station in 

642
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,720
Boston, which is pretty cool 
because at that level that CBS 

643
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:52,360
owns, it's an O&O and owned and 
operated and it's not through 

644
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,080
like when I worked in Indy, I 
was a Next. 

645
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,040
Star, right, Which is, yeah, 
kind of an agglomeration of of 

646
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,840
stations across the country. 
Well, you and I have talked 

647
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,760
about this a lot on social or on
text over the course of the 

648
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,880
years is like the need for 
people doing sports to 

649
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,720
understand at least a bit of 
weather so that they can 

650
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,680
describe there was something 
that happened recently. 

651
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,880
There was what? 
What was what was it that I'm 

652
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,480
thinking? 
Of so and I hate to like call 

653
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,800
people there's it's so funny 
there's so many examples and I 

654
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,760
and I don't want to be the 
person like the The Simpsons 

655
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,640
like that old man yells at the 
cloud because you don't know 

656
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,640
what you don't know. 
And I there's plenty of things I

657
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,600
didn't know but I think I've 
been comfortable enough to kind 

658
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,520
of ask or I'm so scared to Get 
the facts wrong. 

659
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,960
That's just who and who I am. 
And especially as getting into 

660
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,080
like a science field it's I just
can't imagine saying some of the

661
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,800
weather things as just Willy 
nilly. 

662
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,000
It was a an IU basketball game 
recently. 

663
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,440
Can I call it out like and say 
no? 

664
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,040
Because it was. 
It was, it was the recent game 

665
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,880
against what was Wisconsin, 
right? 

666
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:57,440
Yes. 
Yep, Yep. 

667
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,360
Oh, so it was when the fire 
alarm was pulled or whatever it 

668
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,280
end up happening with the fire 
alarm, people were evacuating 

669
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,160
and the announcer is like there 
was some ports of some weather 

670
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,080
in the area, some hail, maybe 
tornadoes. 

671
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,040
It's like are we casually saying
there's a tornado in the area 

672
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,719
when there wasn't a drop of rain
on radar locally in Bloomington.

673
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,719
They end up being some storms 
later that evening. 

674
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,199
But and then he's saying, so 
we're having people evacuating. 

675
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,800
It's like if there was a 
tornado, we certainly wouldn't 

676
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,960
be evacuating people. 
Believe it or not, the safest 

677
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,239
place in a tornado in 
Bloomington's, probably inside 

678
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,560
Assembly Hall, No. 
And as long as you're not in the

679
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,000
lobby, Yeah. 
But that was the thing. 

680
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,159
I had people texting me, like, 
what, has the weather bad there?

681
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:40,239
And I'm like, a, no, there's no 
weather. 

682
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,120
B, if the weather was bad, they 
certainly wouldn't be evacuating

683
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,760
people outside. 
But yeah, because. 

684
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,960
Because there was like a, you 
know, one of those severe 

685
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,400
weather bulletins, but there 
hadn't been like a tornado watch

686
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,120
put down or anything like that. 
The assumption in the lack of 

687
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,840
evidence was, oh, well, this is,
this has to be one leads to the 

688
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,120
other. 
And it's like, well, just just 

689
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,640
the basic understanding of how 
that should work doesn't really 

690
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,160
add. 
Up. 

691
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,920
No. 
And and you know, it's like you 

692
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:07,840
could totally tell what 
happened. 

693
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,760
It was like someone somewhere 
heard at some point that day 

694
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,040
that like maybe there was going 
to be some storms in the area. 

695
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,120
So just so they see people 
evacuating, they're like, oh, 

696
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,880
probably because there's a 
tornado outside, which is so 

697
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,880
wild to say. 
And this happens a lot like 

698
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,840
you'd be surprised to kind of 
hear. 

699
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,960
Well, it's kind of like so I do 
in one of my classes, I do a two

700
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,760
day concussion reporting 
workshop which is actually by 

701
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,480
the the Concussion Legacy 
Foundation which is based in 

702
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,480
Boston. 
And one of the reasons why I 

703
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,840
have students go through that is
that, you know, there's always 

704
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,920
been this trend towards 
embracing ignorance in sports 

705
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,600
broadcasting. 
Like, it's fun to come across 

706
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,920
like you're an oaf that doesn't 
know anything. 

707
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,480
I don't, I don't know what 
that's all about. 

708
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,880
Like, I hate, I've always hated 
that I'm I'm and I've admittedly

709
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,600
a little more of a cerebral guy.
I'm I'm not like, I'm not. 

710
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,880
I I don't like the kind of 
meathead approach to 

711
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,760
broadcasting. 
And I feel like there's a lot of

712
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,320
things like concussions where 
it's like you need to treat that

713
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,160
serious, like that's an actual 
injury that somebody's like 

714
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,920
that's not someone being weak or
not something. 

715
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,160
They didn't get their bell rung.
No. 

716
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,560
They had their brain hit the 
side of their head, so you 

717
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,320
better learn as a student like 
the differences and how to talk 

718
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,040
about it. 
Even if you don't, you can't 

719
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,960
medically diagnose it. 
That's fine, but you should 

720
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,880
still be able to talk about it. 
Well, weather is the same way 

721
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,560
where you'll see, you know, 
radar reports pop up. 

722
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,200
And you should at least be able 
to know by looking at the radar 

723
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,280
and kind of getting a sense of 
where things are at or having 

724
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,680
somebody talking in your ear be 
able to talk intelligently 

725
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,680
about, well, here's where the 
rain is coming from and here's 

726
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,880
when this would most likely get 
here that. 

727
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,360
Sounds like a pipe dream to me, 
honestly. 

728
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,360
I know that. 
Sounds like a dream because I 

729
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,680
think there's so many. 
When I started to think about 

730
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,680
it, I'm like because I feel like
I can talk about it forever. 

731
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,160
Of course, maybe an 8 week 
special course on weather and 

732
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,040
sports, but like. 
We've talked, we've talked about

733
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,760
if you were still in indie, we 
would have already made that 

734
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,680
happen. 
Man, I How cool would that be? 

735
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,840
How cool? 
But like there are so many 

736
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,800
things. 
Actually, the answer is simple. 

737
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,120
What I I realize I'm like, 
coming up all these things. 

738
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,200
I'm like, that's that's so in 
depth. 

739
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,160
There's really just a couple of 
things you can do to to make 

740
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,640
sure you don't get yourself in a
position where you sound so wild

741
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,680
because that that Snooty weather
community I told you about 

742
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,960
earlier. 
Yeah, we're it's it's so crazy. 

743
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Twitter is actually where a lot 
of them live and we're in this 

744
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,640
like, weather Twitter community.
They're. 

745
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,720
Going to come from this is the 
WX hashtag. 

746
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,000
Yes, yes. 
WX Twitter. 

747
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:35,800
It's a scary place. 
I I stay away from it. 

748
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,600
They scare me. 
No someone someone's going to 

749
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,360
listen to this either and 
they'll either be applauding 

750
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,840
this or they'll be like they'll 
have notes but we hear about it 

751
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:53,320
we we kind of trade it around 
and and what you could do is if 

752
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,120
you kind of know and this 
effects baseball broadcasters 

753
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,720
most because they're games 
outside and and I think. 

754
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,040
Baseball and NASCAR. 
Yeah, yeah. 

755
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,440
But if you know, typically if 
it's something's going to be, 

756
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,880
you know, a storm is going to 
affect your your day or your 

757
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,040
game. 
You'll you'll know about it, 

758
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,280
you'll hear about it. 
You could just Google NWS 

759
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,520
National Weather Service, insert
city name and then and they're 

760
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,040
going to be talking about it 
like just and it doesn't require

761
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,920
much, just a teeny bit of 
background information. 

762
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,360
Dedicate 10 minutes if you're 
going to spend so much time 

763
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,280
preparing for a broadcast. 
And there's you know that a game

764
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:37,080
could have inclement weather. 
Look that up at the real source.

765
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,680
This is I've always, I've had 
this thing about broadcasting 

766
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,160
for a while. 
There's this feeling that that's

767
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,960
someone else's job in so much of
broadcasting like, well, there's

768
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,160
some other expert that we're 
going to bring in and have do 

769
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,080
this and weather's the one place
where it generally isn't like 

770
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,600
that. 
But this is where in sports it 

771
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,800
ends up being a problem because 
you're like, well, I we're going

772
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,400
to rely on the weather people 
for the weather. 

773
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,000
I'm just here to call sports and
that that didn't really work. 

774
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,520
Well, or then just call the 
sports. 

775
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,040
Then don't. 
Don't say there's a tornado. 

776
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:04,800
Right. 
That's the thing. 

777
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,080
Yeah, you got to have that 
ballot. 

778
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,880
Well, and it also it spills into
other areas. 

779
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,520
I don't know. 
Did you see these reports off of

780
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,280
the AFC championship game? 
So the Chiefs hosted it, Yes. 

781
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,120
Or maybe it wasn't the 
championship, Maybe it was the 

782
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,920
game that they played in the 
first round, but it was freezing

783
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,160
cold. 
Yep, it was like 4 degree 24° 

784
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,480
Wind chill, wind chill. 
And, you know, you had all these

785
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,880
people with their shirts off and
now there's reports like, you 

786
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,440
know, a lot of them had like 
third degree burns and they're 

787
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,120
getting like parts amputated. 
Like that's a part of it as 

788
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,440
well, not just the weather, but 
also like, these are the effects

789
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,800
of the weather. 
And it's like, well, you know, 

790
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,080
that looks great now, but that's
going to create problems for you

791
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,560
down the line if you're going to
a game in a 24° below windshield

792
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,240
with your shirt off. 
And I saw, I saw some debate on 

793
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:55,440
their whether like they're like,
oh, lawsuits are rolling in, but

794
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,920
it's like, I mean do you go to a
game? 

795
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,640
I how well was it covered? 
I don't know how well it was 

796
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,880
like warned. 
I feel like everyone was talking

797
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,720
about it. 
But I'm also very much in tune 

798
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:09,400
to the weather communications. 
But it's also the way the media 

799
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,960
portrays those. 
Things because. 

800
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,880
Do we show the person that's 
bundled up occasionally? 

801
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,600
Do we show the person that's got
their shirt off all the time? 

802
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,200
Like because that's like that's 
a real fan down there? 

803
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,560
Well, that fan's going to be in 
the burn. 

804
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,480
Unit after the game. 
It's like that's that's a big 

805
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,720
price to pay for a Wild Card 
round game, yeah. 

806
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,160
Well, in the intersection of 
weather and sports, the way that

807
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,640
it happened so much and I found 
becoming a meteorologist, how 

808
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,120
little meteorologists are 
actually involved in a lot of 

809
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,920
the day-to-day stuff. 
So when I worked in Indy and 

810
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,040
then any market I've worked in, 
you'll have a few people. 

811
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,000
Like they'll be you know someone
who's a leader at a school 

812
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:48,880
district asking you if they want
advice on a 2 hour delay or you 

813
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,760
know a coach of some game that 
needs a game cancelled or not or

814
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,880
whatever. 
And like So what I would say to 

815
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,040
some broadcasters, if you're if 
you're going to be regularly in 

816
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,040
a certain city, there's a local 
meteorologist there and if it's 

817
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,920
a big weather day, doesn't have 
to be you don't have to spend a 

818
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,320
lot of time on this. 
But like if your networking is 

819
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,880
so big in this business, 
anything in media networking 

820
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,080
network with a broadcast 
meteorologist that trust me they

821
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,360
want to give you the info they 
want to. 

822
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,360
Like you can easily text like 
live on a broadcast, be texting 

823
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,080
your friend who you've met or 
just a local met and be like, 

824
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,480
hey is there what is this? 
They could say oh there's 

825
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,080
nothing or oh, there's a severe 
thunderstorm. 

826
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,640
Also, I think you might be more 
interested in this. 

827
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,960
This is a step further. 
OK. 

828
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,400
Have you heard of Radar scope? 
Yeah, but go on and explain. 

829
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,600
It OK, so there's an app. 
A radar scope. 

830
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,960
It's it's the app I open up the 
most. 

831
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,560
I'm going to show you here in 
the studio too, as I close out 

832
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,800
my fantasy hockey. 
This is top law level 

833
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,440
podcasting. 
You're not gonna be able to see 

834
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,800
this, but I will. 
This will be amazing. 

835
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,920
Can see, but you cannot. 
No, Just as I talk about it to 

836
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,560
you guys, I wanted to just show.
So it's just this little app, 

837
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,320
and of course it's showing some.
Lot of rains. 

838
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,960
In Indy right now, but it's 
every meteorologist I know has 

839
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,640
it for $10 a month. 
And I'm not connected to 

840
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,720
Radarscope at all in any way, by
the way, but. 

841
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,120
This is not a stealth radarscope
infomercial, I promise. 

842
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,160
It's just that good that like it
is. 

843
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,640
I had the pro version for a 
while. 

844
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,000
I wouldn't recommend it. 
It's it's expensive and doesn't 

845
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,680
really give give you what you 
can't get elsewhere but a high 

846
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,960
resolution radar right in your 
pocket and so you can see and 

847
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,120
you don't even need to know a 
bunch of radar interpretation. 

848
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,680
In fact I remember I'm going all
over the place here now but 

849
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,600
you're good. 
The the reason I like who really

850
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,920
cares about how well you can 
interpret a radar but like say 

851
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,720
if those guys had this or even 
the free government website if 

852
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:48,880
you type in again go back to 
National Weather Service 

853
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,040
Bloomington it'll take you to 
Indy but like it'll give you 

854
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,720
Bloomington information. 
They have live radars there, 

855
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,440
like this is free information. 
Like then. 

856
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,600
I think a lot of people don't 
realize, like the government. 

857
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,600
I mean, I've known that I've 
done. 

858
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,520
I used to go to NOAA dot Gov for
years and then they kind of 

859
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,440
ruined the app in like 2014 or 
something like that. 

860
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,480
I used to go to that all the 
time. 

861
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,440
And yeah, now there there, there
are a lot of good sources for 

862
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,760
these things that you should if 
you're broadcasting sports or 

863
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,480
even if you're just going to a 
sporting event. 

864
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,760
It doesn't hurt. 
I I always remember this was the

865
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:29,840
2004 Indy 500. 
It was the one that Buddy Rice 

866
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,560
won when he was driving for 
Letterman and they had to stop 

867
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,560
the race because of rain. 
But that was the race. 

868
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,600
I believe it was O Four. 
I don't think it was O seven. 

869
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,360
O 7 had a similar ending, but 
the O four race, a tornado 

870
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,880
formed on the South side of Indy
at the end of the race. 

871
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,880
And I'll always think about that
because I was only following 

872
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,800
along with it because I was on 
the Internet, which was not like

873
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,720
you weren't normally doing that 
in 2004. 

874
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:01,560
You know, people weren't hopping
on to dial up and be like, I 

875
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,120
want to go see what the radar 
looks like. 

876
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,920
But I was freaking out because I
was like, if a tornado hits the 

877
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,640
Speedway when there's 250,000 
people there, like that's that's

878
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,640
a real big deal. 
And there's nowhere to go, as 

879
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,840
you know, at the Indianapolis 
Motor Speedway. 

880
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,120
Like you're not all evacuating 
under the bleachers. 

881
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,000
That's that's not happening in 
most cases. 

882
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,640
So I've always thought back to 
that and it's like we're lucky 

883
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,680
that that not something bad 
didn't happen at the Speedway 

884
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,080
there because it was so under 
reported and it was so poorly, 

885
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,800
kind of unless you were on 
radio, if you were listening to 

886
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,000
like WIBC at the time, but on 
television, you would have had 

887
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,600
no idea. 
No, it's wild to think that. 

888
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,360
And staying with the Indy 500 
thing, I remember I won't. 

889
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,960
I won't name names or race 
teams, but and this and this is 

890
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,120
all of them, I couldn't believe 
just the links that they'll go 

891
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,560
to to try to find out weather 
information but not have any 

892
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,840
meteorologists on staff at all. 
Now the Indy 500 does, they have

893
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,160
got an advisor. 
I think Kelly Green did it for a

894
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,280
while from THR, but I don't know
who does it now. 

895
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,280
But there is somebody who 
advises the the 500 itself. 

896
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,400
But all these teams, they're 
flying drones around trying to 

897
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,440
see where the rain is. 
I'm like OK, a meteorologist 

898
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,440
with even a teeny bit of like 
radar. 

899
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,680
You know I've taken of course 
courses and like radar analysis 

900
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,560
and all that. 
But like I can tell you where 

901
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,720
the rain is and or and they got 
you got a team of engineers 

902
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,360
looking up like fake wind maps 
and stuff. 

903
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:29,920
It's just it's it was nuts to 
me. 

904
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,360
I couldn't believe until I was 
exposed to it how much it's the 

905
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,320
like the facts aren't there and 
how easy they are to find. 

906
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,560
But the with the radar scope I 
thought it was so funny because 

907
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,880
I recalled another tweet as I 
was thinking about our 

908
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,080
conversation and it was an IU 
softball broadcast and the 

909
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,440
announcer said she was like she 
or he. 

910
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,400
I can't remember who. 
I just remember the listening to

911
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,920
it and and it's like there was a
large piece of green on radar 

912
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,680
right now and just like kind of 
the funniest like it. 

913
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,480
You know it sounds silly but 
even that's better than than 

914
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,040
pretending there's a tornado 
when there's not. 

915
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,800
Or gosh, there was a again, I 
won't, I won't name drop the 

916
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,040
account but an official IU 
source tweeted out this is when 

917
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,680
I was a meteorologist in 
Indianapolis. 

918
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,680
So I feel that like whenever 
there's there was egregious, 

919
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,680
kind of like weather tweets 
posted, I'd come back to people 

920
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,800
would be asking me and calling 
in the station and it was a 

921
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,120
tweet. 
I think it was during a football

922
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,360
game and it was like talking 
about a severe thunderstorm in 

923
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,560
the area. 
I'm like, God, there's 

924
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,000
definitely not a lot of storm in
the area. 

925
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,960
So I'm getting this influx of 
like severe thunderstorm in the 

926
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,160
area and a severe thunderstorm. 
You have to it's got to be winds

927
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:43,160
at 58 mph, hail that's at least 
an inch in diameter, or if 

928
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,920
anything has a tornado. 
It's of course severe, but there

929
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,640
are like certain criteria that 
you have to meet. 

930
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,400
That's a term severe 
thunderstorm. 

931
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,520
It actually means something, 
yeah. 

932
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,560
It's not just not just a it's 
not a vibe. 

933
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:55,400
And it's like, yeah, exactly. 
That's almost how it was 

934
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,200
treated. 
And and and and totally not 

935
00:46:58,240 --> 00:46:59,480
like. 
So when I'm feeling these 

936
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,360
questions and I'm kind of like 
not in a criticizing kind of 

937
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,320
way, but I was like, hey, I'm 
getting a lot of questions about

938
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,600
this. 
Just so you guys know, like, 

939
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,680
good news there isn't a I wasn't
trying to be snarky at all. 

940
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,400
I tried to approach it really. 
I hope. 

941
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,200
I really hope I came across as 
only like, hey, there's not one.

942
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:17,840
But. 
It's tough because you have to 

943
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,080
have experts come in at some 
point because again, I think out

944
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,360
of a lot of times, out of what 
is intended to be an abundance 

945
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,480
of caution and like, well, we 
want to make sure that we're on 

946
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,920
the side of safety and let 
people know that there might be 

947
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,600
issues. 
A lot of times you'll get missed

948
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,080
terminology or just wrong 
information. 

949
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,920
I know like last year before the
women's little 500 broadcast, it

950
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,960
was raining. 
I was like, well, OK, what's 

951
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,760
going on? 
So I was like doing weather 

952
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,360
updates on Instagram and 
Facebook where I'm like, all 

953
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,360
right, well, I've, I've been 
watching the radar and I, I know

954
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,640
I I'm not nearly as good as you,
but I at least understand like 

955
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,440
generally how this stuff works. 
And I can describe it in a way 

956
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,880
that that I people understand, 
but a lot of it was just like, 

957
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,840
let's make sure we've got the 
right information out there. 

958
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,760
So people make a decision about 
are they going to go to the 

959
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,720
race, whatever. 
And everything worked out fine. 

960
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,200
They got delayed an hour. 
But in the absence of 

961
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,000
information, people assume all 
kinds of things. 

962
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,160
You know, I I think about like 
the the craziest weather event 

963
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,600
I've ever seen at an IU game 
was, I believe the first. 

964
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,840
I think it was the first game of
the 2018 football season when 

965
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,400
you had a a Hurricane remnant 
come in and IU was playing 

966
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,240
Virginia and it was like this 
rain fest. 

967
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,480
Like it was just a just rain the
whole game. 

968
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,280
The wind was coming in. 
It was ridiculous. 

969
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,920
That was the game that Indiana 
won at the end and like Tom 

970
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,240
Allen like kicked the trash can 
in front of the student section.

971
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:46,160
But you know that that's one of 
those where everybody knew it 

972
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,400
was going to be raining heavily.
But it's funny like you'll get 

973
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,040
those random things. 
I remember one time there was a 

974
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,080
tailgate that says it was that 
same year, actually Penn State 

975
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,640
game. 
That was the game where Michael 

976
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,120
Pennix tore his knee up one of 
the times. 

977
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,320
And we're out tailgating, you 
know, 4 hours before the game 

978
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,320
we're over in the green lot. 
And you know, we had some 

979
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,960
friends that sat that would set 
up their tailgate stuff next to 

980
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,640
us in this little depression 
between the green lot and the 

981
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,000
orange lot. 
And so they set all their stuff 

982
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,480
up and they were like, we have 
to go to a youth soccer game, 

983
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,680
but we'll be back later. 
So they leave. 

984
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,640
They've set all their tables up.
They're going to come back about

985
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,120
an hour and a half later. 
About 20 minutes later, IU 

986
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,920
events sends these people 
through on golf carts warning 

987
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,520
everybody that there's a 
Highwind warning that's suddenly

988
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,840
been announced. 
And I'm like, OK is. 

989
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,800
And so I knew something was 
coming. 

990
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,680
And then sure enough, right 
around when they said that it 

991
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,200
was coming through, there was 
this immense gust of wind that 

992
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,720
came through, blew all of the 
people next to our tailgate 

993
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:57,280
stuff into our tailgate. 
So we I I lost like 2 canopies. 

994
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,720
I lost a crock pot. 
I, you know, yeah, I know the 

995
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,840
crock pot was a real loss. 
You know, all of our tables got 

996
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,800
blown over. 
Like it was like there was a 

997
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,440
second there where I was like 
this is how I'm going to die. 

998
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,080
I'm going to get impaled by, you
know, a canopy remnants. 

999
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,360
Now that you're saying this, I'm
remembering seeing online the 

1000
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,880
videos and the pictures, Yes. 
Was it actually a Highwind 

1001
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,640
warning or did they had it? 
Was one of those things. 

1002
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,640
I mean, I'm AI, you know the, I 
mean cell phone reception in the

1003
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,520
tailgate lots is never reliable.
But it was, it was. 

1004
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,320
They came through and said it 
was a Highwind warning and I I 

1005
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,160
believe them. 
And how much, how much heads up 

1006
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,840
time did you guys get? 
About 20 minutes. 

1007
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:31,600
Oh gosh. 
See. 

1008
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,280
And but even if we, even if we 
and we, we secured our stuff, 

1009
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,760
but the people next to us had 
left. 

1010
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,000
So I wasn't going to be able to 
secure their stuff and instead 

1011
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,920
their stuff became our stuff, 
you know. 

1012
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,640
So in general, it is interesting
how often you know weather plays

1013
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,600
a part in whether you're a 
spectator in sports or whether 

1014
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,960
you're broadcasting sports. 
And it is something that just 

1015
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,360
you'd like to see more crossover
just in terms of the basic 

1016
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,080
understanding of how it all fits
together? 

1017
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,480
Because I got to say, a Highwind
warning. 

1018
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,040
Those like there'd be way more 
lead time than 20 minutes. 

1019
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,160
So I wonder how long it had been
out. 

1020
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,960
Everyone just didn't know. 
It might have been longer. 

1021
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,160
It's one of those, as I always 
say. 

1022
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:18,000
You know, the COVID destroyed my
sense of time where everything 

1023
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,760
in my brain happened like a 
minute after everything else. 

1024
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,760
And it may have been an hour, I 
don't know. 

1025
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,760
I give them credit for warning 
people at the very least. 

1026
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,640
I mean, yeah, everyone was out 
there tailgating. 

1027
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,280
How do you get tailgaters out? 
That's the thing you're, you 

1028
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,960
know, you've been if you're 2 
hours into tailgating, you're 

1029
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,680
like when that that actually 
sounds pretty good right now and

1030
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,200
then then then next thing you 
know you've got a piece of 

1031
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,480
canopy sticking through your 
body. 

1032
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:47,320
Yeah, it's not ideal. 
So let's talk a little bit. 

1033
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,240
I mean you're so you're in 
Boston now you're you're doing 

1034
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,480
weather there, but you're you 
know you're obviously you know 

1035
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,440
still kind of in a mode where 
you're you're in touch with the 

1036
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,840
sports scene a bit you're you're
getting into hockey now 

1037
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,280
obviously. 
Well, you know, not live in a 

1038
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,720
hockey, yeah. 
Absolutely. 

1039
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,560
You know, but it's interesting 
you know having seen you be very

1040
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,680
close to like the IU sports 
scene and then kind of move away

1041
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,200
from it. 
You've got kind of a distance 

1042
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,240
from it now and you were on 
Twitter a bit yesterday, last 

1043
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:19,400
night there were it's not it's 
not the most stable time in IU 

1044
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,240
basketball history. 
But you know you as you said 

1045
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:27,560
earlier you've kind of your, 
your on ramp to all of this was 

1046
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,640
not that long ago first of all. 
And second of all was at a time 

1047
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,280
when things felt fairly good. 
Yeah. 

1048
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,280
They they were good for me. 
Yeah, you know, plus, I was so 

1049
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,440
close to it. 
I was a student and you, I was 

1050
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,800
right there experiencing 
everything, seeing it all, you 

1051
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,840
know, unfold in real time. 
And a lot of those guys were 

1052
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:48,000
great friends of mine, you know,
and gosh, so many stories, so 

1053
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,360
many great stories from from all
those years. 

1054
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,720
And so it's weird now to be in a
place where I I feel so 

1055
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:56,080
disconnected from it. 
And that's why I'm sitting here 

1056
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,400
on I'm on fantasy hockey. 
I've been to more hockey games 

1057
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,520
than, IE basketball games, which
to me I never thought was a 

1058
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,120
world that would ever exist for 
me. 

1059
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,480
What's funny is we were talking 
about superstitions. 

1060
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,920
Was it yesterday or something? 
And so every game I've gone to 

1061
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,560
since an alumni, we've we've 
lost. 

1062
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,280
Every game I watch on TV we 
lose. 

1063
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,320
So I I can't watch the games, I 
can't tweet about them because 

1064
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:21,960
I'm not got all these 
superstitions going. 

1065
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,440
But it's I think it's another 
like temperature reading of 

1066
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,480
where like a lot of people may 
might be right. 

1067
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,360
Now especially. 
Who were casual fans beforehand?

1068
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,080
And I I wonder. 
I I wonder what kind of an IU 

1069
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:43,360
fan I would have been had I had,
like, not my 2013 like, 

1070
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,840
Hoosiers. 
I don't know. 

1071
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,960
Fandom is interesting because 
it's not a one way St. 

1072
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,400
There has to be something you 
grab onto that makes you, 

1073
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,800
whether it's a player that that 
is like really fun to watch, or 

1074
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,200
whether it's a team that's 
having success or there's a 

1075
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,960
particular game or a set of 
games that makes you feel 

1076
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,040
emotions in a positive way. 
And I think about that a lot 

1077
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,840
because, you know, there's a 
whole bunch of people since, you

1078
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,960
know, really the early 1990s who
haven't had a lot of those 

1079
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,880
moments and maybe haven't had 
moments at all. 

1080
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,320
And and so IU fandom for a lot 
of people has ended up being 

1081
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,600
something that you're told you 
should do, but it's not 

1082
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,000
something that you're 
organically growing into unless 

1083
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,480
you grew up with it. 
And even then, it's like the the

1084
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,440
good times are kind of few and 
far between, comparatively 

1085
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,360
speaking. 
And that is a tough, that's a 

1086
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,600
tough place to come from. 
And especially, I think for 

1087
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,920
Someone Like You who's moving 
around and you know you're in 

1088
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,160
different markets and and living
your own life, it's like, what's

1089
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,080
attaching me to this? 
Exactly. 

1090
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,560
And what's I mean, I guess just 
the I'm told to be the whole 

1091
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,960
reason I went to IU in the 1st 
place is like everyone in 

1092
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,800
Indiana is kind of told they're 
an IU fan. 

1093
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,120
Like you just see IU everywhere.
Like I remember people recently 

1094
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:07,360
on Twitter complaining that it 
was the Pep Pepsi or Cook some 

1095
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,000
some marketing thing like Kroger
or something like. 

1096
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,600
That it was in Westfield. 
Oh, OK. 

1097
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,840
You so you know what I'm talking
yeah. 

1098
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,000
And and and that it was like IU 
themed and not you know. 

1099
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:21,800
Not Purdue themed, right? 
Well, gosh, I remember being and

1100
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,640
that's just like the culture. 
Like you see it and you're told 

1101
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:24,960
your knife and you're told it's 
great. 

1102
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,640
And so it must be great. 
And I I have parroted so much of

1103
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,600
that. 
That was kind of like my 

1104
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,280
hoosierless brand. 
Like I, you know, a little IU 

1105
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,400
fan, cheerleader, whatever. 
And and a lot of it's trolling 

1106
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,920
kind of going back to those 
college roots to sort of fun. 

1107
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,440
I though I will say my in my my 
older days, I can't take the 

1108
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,760
heat as much. 
When I troll, I'm like, wait, it

1109
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,240
used to not bother me if people 
didn't know I was doing it or 

1110
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:47,600
not. 
And I was like, I don't care. 

1111
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,000
Like, what are these people 
saying on Twitter? 

1112
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,040
I don't care. 
But now I'm like, I kind of 

1113
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,640
can't take the heat. 
I just got to stay out of the 

1114
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,560
kitchen, I guess, because. 
It's also gotten meaner, I will 

1115
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,920
say it's gotten, it's gotten, 
it's gotten more mean spirited. 

1116
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,440
Just kind of across the board, 
gosh is. 

1117
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,320
It OK, I thought. 
You're not. 

1118
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,400
You're not imagining that. 
Because you know, I'm like, 

1119
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,280
gosh, even if I have blind IU 
fandom, I mean who, who cares? 

1120
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,920
Like who cares? 
Let me just have my my moment 

1121
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,960
here guys. 
But no, I I was like almost I'm 

1122
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,280
like backtracking. 
I'm like, OK actually, never 

1123
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:21,520
mind never mind. 
And yeah, where where did where 

1124
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,480
are we at? 
Well, we were, I just we were 

1125
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,840
talking about being online and 
dealing with on and we were 

1126
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,520
talking about the perception 
because you were talking about 

1127
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,800
the that coke stand in Westfield
and yeah, Oh my. 

1128
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,600
Gosh. 
Well you know, so OK. 

1129
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,280
So I've had. 
I introduced a few people to the

1130
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,440
Indianapolis market a couple 
years ago when I came here to to

1131
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,240
take that broadcast job for 
weather and it was so 

1132
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:45,480
interesting because they didn't 
People who don't who aren't from

1133
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:52,240
here were learning like they're 
like wait so Purdue is like #1 

1134
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,440
they're this and but everyone 
but yet the indie star or this 

1135
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,120
or that's focused on and even in
our station in our station 

1136
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,560
coverage it was like but I you 
might be okay. 

1137
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,600
And so they and it's like how 
does like it's so amazing to see

1138
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,680
IU leading leading Purdue news 
when Purdue's actually doing 

1139
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,560
something right now. 
Right. 

1140
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,560
Exactly. 
And I and and me as an IU fan. 

1141
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,600
I'm just like Yep. 
Yep. 

1142
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,280
Yeah. 
Like you know I'm just feeding 

1143
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:14,880
into it. 
Yeah. 

1144
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,880
People hate it like I've you 
know and so and I've tried to 

1145
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,920
try to learn how to like like 
reel that in because yeah. 

1146
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,360
Sure, to be fair, if I'm OK, 
like, duh. 

1147
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,680
Any honest person knows that 
we're not, like, doing the best 

1148
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,000
right now. 
But like, I don't know. 

1149
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,360
It's I don't know what a fan 
always has to say. 

1150
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,760
It is, but it's it's there's a 
whole cultural back story to why

1151
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,440
Purdue isn't more popular 
relatively speaking. 

1152
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,240
And and look they've they've had
by far the better program since 

1153
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,280
about 2015. 
And you know the the level of 

1154
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,320
success they had, it's not 
unprecedented. 

1155
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,080
They had a similar level of a 
success in the the late 80s. 

1156
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,840
And and but it's what people 
don't understand is like there's

1157
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,400
a fundamental difference between
the schools and who goes to 

1158
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,560
which school and what they're 
likely to do afterwards. 

1159
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,520
And I always think about it 
because I taught at the 

1160
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,680
University of Miami for a couple
of years and the perception that

1161
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,280
people have outside of Miami 
versus what it is there is 

1162
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,400
totally different from reality 
where you know, there are no 

1163
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,640
locals or very few locals that 
go to Miami. 

1164
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,280
They're all from the Northeast. 
They all come down for four 

1165
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,680
years, go to college party and 
then leave, you know, at Purdue,

1166
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,360
I mean, they've turned 
themselves into like the 

1167
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,120
international engineering 
School. 

1168
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,240
So a lot of their students, they
aren't from Indiana. 

1169
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,920
They come, they they study, they
leave again. 

1170
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,360
And the ones that are from 
Indiana, there just aren't as 

1171
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,120
many of them, you know and and 
I've always found that 

1172
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:43,520
fascinating because it's, you 
know, the IU almost suffers 

1173
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,760
because of the overexposure that
it gets. 

1174
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,480
You know there's there's so much
media attention in the media. 

1175
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,320
There's so many stories that are
specifically about it because it

1176
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,640
it's relevant to a lot of people
even if it's not successful. 

1177
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:04,920
And to some degree, it when it 
works like that 2012 and 2013 

1178
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,520
stretch, it can be like a 
nuclear chain reaction where it 

1179
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,000
it becomes one of the brightest 
shining things in sports where 

1180
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,560
it's like, I use good and 
there's this nationwide diaspora

1181
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,280
of fans who are just like jacked
up and they're going to games 

1182
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,640
everywhere. 
When it doesn't work, it ends up

1183
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,160
being this thing where people 
get really agitated because it's

1184
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,000
like, well, why isn't it better?
Like why? 

1185
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,640
Why are we not competing at the 
level of a of a Kentucky or a 

1186
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,040
North Carolina? 
And that's yet to be a really 

1187
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,240
well answered question. 
I think over the course of time 

1188
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,640
and a lot of people really 
struggle with it. 

1189
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,520
And I think for people like you,
it's like, OK, I loved it when 

1190
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,080
it was good, but I didn't have, 
it wasn't like that was 

1191
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,120
ingrained in me forever. 
It wasn't like, I mean either 

1192
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,560
the very following year after 
2013, I didn't even make the 

1193
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,040
NCAA tournament. 
So it's like, what? 

1194
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,360
What's keeping me here? 
Well, I mean, gosh, just my my 

1195
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,040
introduction was the watch shot.
I know. 

1196
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,640
I think of the introduction. 
Yeah, it. 

1197
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,320
Doesn't get better than that. 
It's a nice nice way to start. 

1198
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,720
And and I was it just last last 
year we had Trace was that? 

1199
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,440
The Yeah, it was. 
Last year, it's like, I know, 

1200
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,160
OK, that feels like it. 
Feels like 10 years ago. 

1201
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,880
Yeah, as close as the Zeller, 
Oladipo, all that. 

1202
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,800
It almost does feel that way 
because I cannot believe how I 

1203
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,640
how you say and I and this is 
being admittedly like a more 

1204
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:28,480
recent era fan. 
I I like felt sad whenever he 

1205
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,640
was like weaving and declaring 
and I I felt like such a loss. 

1206
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,040
Well first of all OK he went to 
Center Grove. 

1207
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,560
I went to Center Grove. 
He's a Center Grove kid. 

1208
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,280
He's an IU kid. 
I'm you know go Trace. 

1209
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:43,400
But I felt such a piece of our 
team like I thought it was so 

1210
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,760
cool. 
All the things that you hear 

1211
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,160
about like him holding his 
teammates accountable and the 

1212
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,400
work ethic and there and just 
that leadership and I and and 

1213
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,280
like like right now I literally 
the the seasons are blending 

1214
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:57,680
together. 
I don't even remember what we 

1215
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,640
did last year but I felt better 
about it. 

1216
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:00,640
Yeah. 
No, you should have. 

1217
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,760
It was a better season. 
They made the NCAA tournament. 

1218
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,440
They finished second, the big. 
But this is for so many of us 

1219
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,400
like, live inside this. 
I think it's always great to 

1220
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,920
talk to Someone Like You who 
understands it but isn't living 

1221
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,320
in it. 
And you're approaching it from a

1222
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:18,080
distance and you know when, it's
when, when it's going good. 

1223
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,680
It's something that people pay 
attention to and when it's not, 

1224
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,520
it's like, well, it blends into 
the background. 

1225
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,640
Or worse, it just becomes 
something that you don't talk 

1226
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,440
about and don't think about, and
especially you because it's not 

1227
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,600
like you're surrounded by IU 
people. 

1228
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,360
You're kind of You're on an 
island, essentially. 

1229
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,280
No. 
And then they're like, well, 

1230
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,000
what about these Hoosiers you're
always talking about? 

1231
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,000
And I'm like. 
I just just. 

1232
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,160
Never mind, Don't watch. 
My partner is a Penn State grad,

1233
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:44,800
so it's sad. 
It's sad. 

1234
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,000
Whenever we watch it, we think, 
oh, let's watch a Penn State 

1235
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,680
now. 
You game like, I'm so sorry. 

1236
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,080
I'm so sorry. 
It's going to be so terrible for

1237
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,720
you and think, just crush us. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1238
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,440
We did a live podcast at at the 
Upstairs Pub at the beginning of

1239
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,720
February and it was the Penn 
State game like, well, this will

1240
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,720
be safe. 
And it was that was it was not 

1241
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:08,440
safe. 
So, well, anything else any any 

1242
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,680
memories any specific things 
from campus to to close this out

1243
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:16,040
on that you you want to share? 
No, God, there's so many. 

1244
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,080
There's just so many. 
It's such a great time. 

1245
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:24,160
It's such a great time. 
Again, it all blends together to

1246
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,120
some degree, 'cause it's it's, 
you know, I I also the the great

1247
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:28,880
thing. 
It was funny. 

1248
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,840
I was going through an old hard 
drive the other day and. 

1249
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:33,920
I had a bunch. 
Of pictures of campus that I 

1250
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,040
think we're taking in like 2012 
and it's like, well, the place 

1251
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,040
looks exactly the same. 
There's been a lot of changes 

1252
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,600
since then, but there is a 
timelessness to kind of the 

1253
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,840
environment and living in it. 
Then you could be a student 10 

1254
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,520
years ago or 20 years ago, and 
it it's not a whole lot 

1255
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,440
different now from what it was 
then. 

1256
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,520
You know what some things I 
think about when I think about 

1257
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,920
some of the best times? 
Well, first of all, I was 

1258
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,680
outside of IU basketball. 
I was there. 

1259
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,600
We our, our soccer team was 
winning, Our baseball team. 

1260
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,440
I went to Omaha to watch them 
play in the College World Series

1261
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:08,640
like that was awesome. 
I think about the some of that 

1262
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:15,640
silly Hoosier list stuff and how
awesome you and some of the 

1263
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,560
other teachers were to like 
identifying talents and stuff. 

1264
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,440
Because when I when I worked for
IO Athletics and doing they're 

1265
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,640
like hey let's do it was 
actually I did I did some stuff 

1266
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,440
since been it's been long enough
I could probably could say this 

1267
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,120
I don't know I did some stuff 
that was on my channel that they

1268
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,680
actually like paid for because 
they're like well we can't let's

1269
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,560
not do this officially here But 
like like sometimes sometimes 

1270
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,360
some of the stuff was but I 
there was such great like 

1271
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,240
wholesome it was like wholesome 
it just felt like I could go and

1272
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,400
do you know talking about all 
the. 

1273
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,480
I mean, I mean you got me on 
this like thinking about all the

1274
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,920
great times when well, all the 
all the access that the kids are

1275
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,240
getting now, the kids, the 
students. 

1276
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,680
I hate to say that. 
It's just so natural to say 

1277
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,320
that. 
I remember the thing that I was 

1278
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,360
doing was like I didn't have 
access. 

1279
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,720
So I'd be like at the IU 
baseball game like in the stands

1280
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,800
like in in the hilarity of like 
report Like I would purposely 

1281
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,360
video film through the through 
the fence and everything. 

1282
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,560
And some of those some of those 
people in the in the bloggers 

1283
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,400
they didn't they didn't want 
they were like they they weren't

1284
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,200
hiring students usually or 
specifically not me with my 

1285
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,240
crazy what the heck are you 
doing content. 

1286
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,720
So and and what's amazing is I 
think it was my junior year. 

1287
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,480
The beginning of junior year 
when I had just been told I 

1288
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,200
wasn't going to do this 
internship anymore and that's 

1289
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:44,000
when Jeremy Gray hired me for IO
Athletics, which just was 

1290
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,160
awesome. 
That like you you got me in with

1291
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,080
the Big 10 student crew stuff. 
Live shot reporting something 

1292
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,760
that not having any clue what I 
was going to do when I went to 

1293
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,440
IU. 
Like to to come into all of this

1294
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,120
this amazing program that you've
built up. 

1295
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,400
I just, it's being here today 
and walking around the media 

1296
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,840
school. 
I just can't believe how how 

1297
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,720
great it is. 
I can't believe it because 

1298
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,480
that's what you've built. 
But so many opportunities and I 

1299
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,800
just think about I'm just 
thankful that I really didn't 

1300
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,720
know what I was going to do 
because I just chose IU and and 

1301
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,840
found my way to this and it was 
the best well the. 

1302
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,000
Best Well I appreciate that and 
I'm glad and it's it's it's 

1303
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,960
great that it's grown as much as
it has but it's grown because of

1304
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,000
of people that came through the 
program before like you and 

1305
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,680
others. 
And you know, I just, I'm 

1306
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,320
always, I've always very 
prideful of what you folks have 

1307
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,720
done once you've moved on from 
here and that you've found your 

1308
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,920
own pathways and been successful
with what you do. 

1309
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,640
And it's great that you come 
back every once in a. 

1310
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,280
While I love coming back here, 
come back anytime well. 

1311
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,280
I appreciate you coming on the 
show. 

1312
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:50,640
This was awesome. 
Yes, this. 

1313
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,520
I was nervous. 
You were nervous and there was 

1314
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,000
no need to be whatsoever. 
Nervous. 

1315
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,240
I was. 
I was nervous. 

1316
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:56,640
Now I'm excited to go to 
upstairs. 

1317
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,800
I'm looking forward to it. 
We're heading over there next. 

1318
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,120
If people are in the Boston area
or online, where do they find 

1319
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,840
you? 
CBS Channel 4. 

1320
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,760
So, yeah, CBS News Boston. 
There you go. 

1321
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,080
Alyssa Andrews joining us here 
on the show. 

1322
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,040
Great to talk to you. 
Awesome. 

1323
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:12,960
Awesome to talk to you Austin. 
Be here as always. 

1324
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,200
All right. 
Thanks again to Alyssa. 

1325
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,400
That was a fun conversation, 
really enjoyed it and always 

1326
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,800
great to have any of our any of 
my former students back in town 

1327
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,320
and and certainly love it when 
Alyssa comes back, it's it's 

1328
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,480
great to talk with her about a 
whole variety of things. 

1329
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,840
So we will go ahead and wrap up 
again. 

1330
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We'll have more podcasting 
coming up here soon as Senior 

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Day coming up for IU and you've 
also of course next week got the

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men's Big 10 tournament. 
So a lot of different things 

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going on with IU and certainly 
quite a bit of external noise 

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around the IU basketball 
programs and a lot of talk all 

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over college basketball's 
landscape, as I'm sure many of 

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you are aware. 
So we'll tackle on that and talk

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a little bit more about some 
other things in the future. 

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Thanks again folks. 
We really appreciate you being a

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part of the Crimson Cast 
audience. 

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Again, check us out on Sub 
Stack, check out home field, 

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apparel.com. 
Check out the rest of the shows 

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on the back home network, 
Assembly, Call the Doing the 

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01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,280
Work podcast, X's and Joe's The 
Crimson Cast Women's Basketball 

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show. 
A little bit of everything for 

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all those folks. 
I'm GAIL and Clavio. 

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Thanks for joining us here on 
the show. 

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We'll catch you folks. 
On the flip side, bring back the

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Bison. 
So everybody.