1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,560 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:22,320 Field Apparel. All right, folks, welcome back 3 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,680 to Crimson Cast. Scott here with you. 4 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,560 We're in March, baby. Great times. 5 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,800 Kentucky lost. I mean that was great last time. 6 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,480 You know we we have our two day window here where if we can get 7 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:36,800 a back-to-back first round Kentucky Purdue loss. 8 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,200 I mean are are those the two biggest wins for Indiana this 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,120 year? I don't know but it's a it's 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,640 great seeing Kentucky go through some of the same thing and 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,040 looking at a $33 million buyout. Good times. 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,360 Anyway before we get to Connor we have a great interview with 13 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:53,080 Connor Onion from the Big 10 Network coming up I want to give 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,320 a shout out to our sponsor here at the back home network home 15 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,200 field. Apparel, it's March. 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,720 I mean, you're going to find tons of schools that you love 17 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,800 and you have them on home field Apparel, they have their 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,120 shooting shirts. They have an Indiana one, which 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,400 is awesome, which everyone should have. 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,080 They also have a really hot Indiana State one that that's 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,960 great. 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So I wouldn't be surprised in 32 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,200 the next week you see some shirts for that, but go check 33 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,360 them out and use the promo code HOME 23 for 15% off your first 34 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,520 purchase. And now our interview with 35 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,920 Connor Onion from the Big 10 Network. 36 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,600 All right, Connor, great to have you on the podcast. 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,000 How you doing my friend? I'm good. 38 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,720 Thanks for having me. I I know this has been a long 39 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,400 time coming and we're we're trying to do something during 40 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,360 football season. So here we are, obviously at the 41 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,040 end of basketball season, finally get together. 42 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,280 Yeah, we were trying to do a football recap and then a 43 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,440 basketball preview and and all those things happened and now 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,840 we're doing a basketball recap. So yeah, here we are. 45 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,240 You know, the, the first question is just, you know, for 46 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,120 for Indiana fans that, you know, how how did you view the Indiana 47 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,240 basketball season? So you know, you're you're 48 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,520 watching the games in the Big 10 Network, you're, you know, 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,840 commentating all the games, doing play by play. 50 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,400 So you see a lot of Big 10, a lot of Big 10 action. 51 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,640 But I'm just curious, you know, for Indiana fans, I think 52 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:42,200 there's a split among the fan base. 53 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,120 Some people are pretty unhappy with the way that things went. 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,320 Other people look at a little more rash. 55 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,520 And I'm curious from somebody who's just kind of seeing the 56 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,680 the larger scale, how, how did you view what happened with 57 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,600 Indiana this year? Yeah, understandably frustrating 58 00:02:56,640 --> 00:03:01,680 is probably the, the way I describe it, trying to trying to 59 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,800 kind of be in the the shoes of Indiana fans. 60 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:09,400 I I can see why that would be. The viewpoint I I guess just 61 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:14,840 just wide overview talented team obviously talented team when you 62 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:20,560 have potential first round draft pick and some some former five 63 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,960 star and four-star recruits on the roster but didn't always 64 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,680 play hard that was the the reputation that that Indiana 65 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,640 quickly built. I don't know why this game 66 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:36,560 always pops in my head but the Northwestern game at home is one 67 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,440 that I think of as kind of the example. 68 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:45,040 Northwestern had injuries and I I thought that Indiana would 69 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,080 come out and and kind of punch him and and get him down early 70 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,120 and and kind of cruise in that home game. 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,520 No, no disrespect to obviously what Northwestern has done but 72 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,520 just what their situation was going into that game. 73 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,840 Indiana playing at home. I thought that Indiana would 74 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,280 play a little bit harder end up winning that game. 75 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,280 But that was that was a theme. I thought that popped up 76 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,960 watching Indiana a lot was the the effort didn't always match 77 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,160 the likes of the Northwestern or Nebraska, two teams playing at 78 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,399 the NCAA tournament. And it was just weird to me. 79 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:19,320 I I I couldn't really figure out why. 80 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,400 And then the other thing that I couldn't figure out was the free 81 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:23,560 throw line. Why? 82 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,560 Why? That continued to be a thing all 83 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,200 year long. So those two things coupled with 84 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:35,800 the talent made for a frustrating watch at times and I 85 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,720 I could understand why Indiana fans would be ready to kind of 86 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,240 move on to next year and and and not really mess around with the 87 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,680 NIT this year. Yeah, I I mean, yeah, we can 88 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,360 get, we can get to that. No, the free throw thing was we 89 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:47,960 talked about that in our last podcast. 90 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,120 It's bananas. I mean, when you look at their 91 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,720 free throw percentage for the season at 66.4%, they're 334th 92 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,960 in the country, which as you know, it's pretty close to the 93 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,560 same number of teams there are in in college basketball. 94 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,880 It's just it's not a good number. 95 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,400 But yet they they have a, you know, mid level, you know 150th 96 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,840 in the country of getting to the free throw line. 97 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:10,800 Like they get to the free throw line way too often for as bad as 98 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,480 they were shooting. And you know you bring up a lot 99 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,080 of things with this team that is just it's anachronistic I would 100 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,120 say just a lot of things that don't make a lot of sense 101 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,960 because you know there there is talent there like do you know 102 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,680 you you have Khalil Ware who is at this point is still on the 103 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,000 team. I would assume at some point 104 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,880 we're going to hear him announce for the NBA, which he definitely 105 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,000 should. You know, Malik Renewed just 106 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,520 announced he's coming back, which is awesome. 107 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,800 Malik Renewed took a big step up, step up. 108 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,720 You know Mackenzie and Bacco had some struggles to begin the 109 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,360 season but started to play better. 110 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,600 And even you know, as you look at the team was always about, 111 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,520 you know, like it felt like it wasn't constructed right. 112 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,880 But you have, you know with that you have, you know, senior 113 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,640 leader, guards and Galloway. You have him Bacco's coming on. 114 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,120 You have the post players like you have all the pieces there, 115 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,200 but as you said the team just didn't didn't play hard. 116 00:05:57,840 --> 00:05:59,640 You know not I'm not trying to make you call out anything. 117 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,600 But as as you see that when you see teams like that maybe make 118 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,640 it a little more open-ended, where do you put that on? 119 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,200 Is that a a coaching problem? Is that a player problem? 120 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,520 Is that an overall, you know, team systems problem? 121 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,840 Like when you see teams that kind of just consistently don't 122 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:18,080 seem to play up to the level of what we think their abilities 123 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,320 are? Where do you kind of lay some of 124 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,520 the blame for that for a team? Yeah, No, it's it's a really 125 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:30,240 good question. And I I think if if Mike Woodson 126 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,880 had the answer, I think if a lot of people around Bloomington had 127 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:38,080 the answer it it would have changed And we thought we saw 128 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,240 flashes of it. You know the the the end of the 129 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,520 Northwestern game that I've mentioned before like the last 130 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,800 two minutes it was, it was kind of bizarre, like they just 131 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,680 turned it on in the final two minutes and made it a really 132 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,280 close game. We thought we saw some flashes 133 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:56,680 of that the the final four games, the regular season going 134 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,120 into the tournament hot. But I I think it's an everyone 135 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,240 problem to answer your question. But I don't think it's just 136 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,000 like, I can't really say it was one player or, you know, it's 137 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,360 it's just this one thing. It was it was just kind of a 138 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,680 weird deal, honestly, that they would go through those lulls of 139 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,080 it. It didn't feel like the effort 140 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,720 matched what you're used to seeing in an Indiana team. 141 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,840 Yeah, no, and it's it's it's something that, you know, in the 142 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,960 micro as a fan, you, you, you see it where it's like they they 143 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,560 seem to kind of figure it all out when their backs were up 144 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,360 against the wall, he said. That Northwestern game, it's 145 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,440 like kind of once the game felt like it was out of reach, they 146 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,000 they came back and brought it back together. 147 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,720 You in the macro, you kind of see it with the season where, 148 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,400 you know, after that Northwestern game, they lose at 149 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,840 home to Nebraska, they lose at Penn State, they're 14 and 13, 150 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,560 six and 10 in the Big 10. That's when the Heat really 151 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,640 thought felt like it came on and they win five in a row, 152 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,000 including one of the Big 10 tournaments. 153 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,880 Like, all right, that's awesome. To kind of win four in a row, 154 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,000 you know to end the season and then one of the tournament. 155 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,280 That's nice, but it's like kind of a little too little, too 156 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,840 late. And it ends with us just not 157 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,360 playing in any postseason tournament, which is not where, 158 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,240 you know, not where any Indiana team wants to be at the end of 159 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,040 the year. No, no doubt, no doubt. 160 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:16,480 And the the the beauty and the struggle of the transfer portal 161 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,680 is that you know there are currently 6 scholarship spots 162 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,240 open, like you said, probably soon to be 7, right? 163 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,880 If if where ends up declaring for the NBA draft, which I agree 164 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,840 with you, I think you will it. It makes it a little bit of a 165 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:38,360 struggle I think in season as as a fan to try to project that's 166 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,000 what the transfer portal has done. 167 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,960 It's I think it's taken away some of the optimism that can 168 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,080 come from the potential development of younger players 169 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,720 or projecting out who still has eligibility and what the team 170 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,240 could be. But the beauty of it is Indiana 171 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,400 could be sitting here 1st of October next year and we could 172 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,520 be talking about potentially one of the favorites in the Big 10 173 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,760 with a completely new roster. Kind of an odd question here for 174 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,520 you as somebody who does the does the broadcasting full time 175 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,800 you're you're kind of in this odd transition period where 176 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,280 you're not starting your career but you haven't been at this 177 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,200 like you know Bill Raftery for 35 years. 178 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,160 You know, you're kind of in this transition phase. 179 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,440 You know, how is it for you as a broadcaster, You know, 5-10 180 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,480 years ago you had teams at least a little bit more continuity 181 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,040 year in, year out. You know, not focused on 182 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,160 Indiana. But like I said, Indiana's 183 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,760 probably going to have seven players flipped over and it's 184 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,280 kind of the, the transfer puller guys are changing all the time. 185 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,640 How does that change when you guys look to, you know, pre 186 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,720 production meetings, you're talking about store boarding for 187 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,320 games. Like how does that affect how 188 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,760 you bring in, you know, what you need to do to a game when you're 189 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,800 basically kind of getting a new team every single year. 190 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,920 And there's really not a lot of transfer of, you know what 191 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,040 Indiana or what any Big 10 team is year to year outside of 192 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,160 probably Purdue, which is probably why they're having 193 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,320 success because they seem to have the same team every. 194 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,520 Year, right, right. Yeah. 195 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,200 I think at the the conference network level, you know, we're 196 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,520 fortunate that we get to see a lot of these teams multiple 197 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,200 times throughout the year. So we get to go a little bit 198 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,240 deeper into some of those stories. 199 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,200 Whereas, you know, say I were doing games for CBS. 200 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,680 It it might be a one and done situation for for us and our 201 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:25,520 crew where we're introducing Trey Galloway to a new audience 202 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,800 even though it's Game 25. Whereas at at Big 10 Network, 203 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,760 you know, I think a lot of our viewership is you know, really 204 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,600 hardcore Big 10 fans that have probably seen these teams and 205 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,160 players before if it's the middle of February. 206 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,480 So we we get that opportunity to to go a little bit deeper I 207 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:51,360 think and it's it's a little bit more surface level. 208 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,360 I think to your point about you know I haven't been in at 35 209 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:55,800 years. I think it's a little bit more 210 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,480 surface level than it would have been if you had a three or four 211 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,400 year player that's that's going to be there a long time. 212 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,360 But that's that's what's fun about being at at BTN is is I 213 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,320 think our our audience especially knows a lot of the 214 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,760 stories. That doesn't mean that we don't 215 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,560 have to reintroduce them because they're always new viewers. 216 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:18,920 But we we do get a chance, whether it's through our 217 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,200 broadcast or the journey, which is one of one of my favorite 218 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,520 shows for several years now, to to kind of go into a deeper 219 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,320 level of storytelling, which is really fun. 220 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,160 Yeah no. The Journey is a it's it's an 221 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,400 awesome show. Like I remember years ago they 222 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,120 had a really deep dive on Denzel Valentine with Michigan State 223 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,760 and just like this kind of so like man, that guy that guy's a 224 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,640 good good kid and like there's always there's always stories 225 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,760 like that that's always one that just stuck in my head. 226 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:48,840 I'll I'll kind of end our Indiana end. 227 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,520 But just, you know, one of the last Indiana question kind of 228 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,200 focused is I'm curious as again someone who kind of sees the 229 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,600 league as a whole. What did you think about maybe 230 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,480 you even noticed this was maybe just Indiana specific, but you 231 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,920 know after that four-game losing streak, you know there was 232 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,560 Indiana was getting booed at home against Nebraska, which is 233 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,320 less than ideal, we'll call it. And then you know Indiana kind 234 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,600 of had to come out as a university and say we're we're 235 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,560 keeping Mike Woodson, which is odd. 236 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:20,120 Like you're not things aren't great. 237 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,000 Like the vibes aren't awesome. If the university is having like 238 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,680 I haven't seen Purdue come out and like say, hey, we are 239 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:28,920 keeping that paying her for next year and then you know Liam 240 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,960 Mcneely, our only recruit for next year decommits the water 241 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,240 got kind of hot. Woodson did win some games. 242 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,400 I'm just curious how you, how do you see what's going on at at 243 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,240 Indiana with all of this and kind of what expectations for 244 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,360 next year for somebody who's maybe more outside rational 245 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,000 viewing this would would look at like what what, what the 246 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:55,640 expectation should be? Yeah, no, I I am am good with 247 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,880 the reaction that you got from the fan base as far as being 248 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:04,360 frustrated and what booing, booing a team that's not winning 249 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,640 is. It's it's understandable the fan 250 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,400 base Indiana fans should want that and I think we'll continue 251 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,960 to want that. The the worst thing you can have 252 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,080 is apathy. And you know, I personally as a 253 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,560 basketball fan, I would prefer a little bit of the negative 254 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:24,600 reaction versus no reaction at all. 255 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:30,600 So I'm glad to see and hear that people still care because I 256 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,800 don't think I I feel like we're still a long way off things that 257 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,920 have to go really bad for the Indiana fan base to get 258 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,800 apathetic. So I'm, I'm good with it. 259 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,920 Obviously, as as a Big 10 guy I like, I want Indiana to do well, 260 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,760 I think. We all do but. 261 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,040 Yeah, yeah. Obviously you guys do in your 262 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,680 audience on this podcast wants Indiana to do well but it it 263 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:00,880 does benefit the league obviously when you know 264 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,080 Indiana's playing into the second weekend of the NCAA 265 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,360 tournament and and love them or hate them it it does create some 266 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,960 more buzz around the conference. So you know to to to get back to 267 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,240 that level of of Purdue and to you know kind of have what we 268 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,400 had last year when it was Ed against TJD going at it. 269 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,640 Like that's when that's when this thing and this conference 270 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,080 is at its best. So I'm I'm glad there's no 271 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,520 apathy. I hope it doesn't get to that 272 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,840 point. And like we're talking about, 273 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,360 you can flip it in a hurry. That's that's the great part of 274 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,720 this era of college basketball. So I expect Mike Woodson will 275 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,280 and I don't know who. Who knows, Maybe he finds the 276 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,280 next Dalton Connect or? We try, we we were pushing for 277 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,440 the actual Dalton Connect last year that. 278 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,960 That could help too. That could help too. 279 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,720 But I I'm, I'm a firm believer that Indiana won't be down long 280 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,880 and the some of the stuff you're referencing the the the team 281 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,160 getting booed off the court, I don't think that stuff is going 282 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,400 to going to last for long either, because I think it'll 283 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,120 get turned around. I I hope so. 284 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,400 It's just that the only thing that's concerning is it does 285 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,280 feel like when you look around college basketball, there's 286 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,520 really maybe not an answer to this and maybe it's just, you 287 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,400 know, we haven't had the right coaching fits. 288 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,080 It, it does feel like at a university that takes basketball 289 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,560 seriously, which Indiana does, which has the resources in 290 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,880 Indiana does it It it doesn't seem like it takes more than 291 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,640 three to four years to really get back to an elite level 292 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,120 anywhere else. And like, I've referenced this 293 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,200 many times in the podcast before, but you look at like, 294 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,080 you know what Nate Oates is doing at Alabama. 295 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,480 You know, they're 31 and six this year. 296 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,920 You know what Tommy Lloyd is doing at Arizona, Rick Barnes at 297 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,040 Tennessee, Bruce Pearl at Auburn. 298 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,040 You know, maybe not the best example with Mark Pope and BYU 299 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,680 'cause he has lost, but, you know, that's one game. 300 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,200 But they've had a good year. You know, bread Underwood in 301 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,520 Illinois. I I don't know from a larger 302 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,760 perspective, is it just as simple as like we just haven't 303 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,600 had the right coaching fits or you know, it's it's that's the 304 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,400 frustrating part for me as an Indiana fan is like you look all 305 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,480 around the country and it's like other schools are able to kind 306 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,000 of flip this around and turn it around in a much smaller period. 307 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,160 We seem to continually be stuck in this morass as an Indiana fan 308 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,240 and you like, you stick your head up and it's like, wow, I 309 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,120 graduated college 25 years ago and we haven't made the 310 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,600 tournament half of those years. Like it has been a really rough, 311 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,800 like quarter century, like a long time. 312 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,520 And you you like at times I wonder like what? 313 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,800 Why can't we figure this out? Like, how come everybody else 314 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,160 can figure this out and we can't? 315 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,080 Yeah, no, it's that that's a great question. 316 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:39,440 That is is probably like a a 25 year breakdown that I don't 317 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:40,560 know. I don't know if you read the the 318 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,400 Caitlin Clark story that Wright Thompson wrote. 319 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,560 I did, yes. PM But I feel like that should 320 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,800 be one of Wright Thompson's pursuits, one I love right as a 321 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,640 writer. But I think there's so much 322 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,560 depth to that question. But that needs to be that needs 323 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,040 to be like a research paper. I don't know if if somebody 324 00:16:59,040 --> 00:16:59,960 there. You go. 325 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,440 Doctorate. Yeah. 326 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,720 Somebody somebody in academics at IU can can research that 327 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,319 question but that's a perfect one for like a long story 328 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:15,119 feature that that needs to be explored as as far as the fit I 329 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:21,880 I I would just kind of like to see a little bit different of an 330 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:27,760 approach to offense next year for for Indiana very heavily 2 331 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,240 point based which is understand understandable when you have 332 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,520 renewed scoring 15 points a game where scoring 15 points a game 333 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:42,320 so your best players are in that front court but pretty clearly 334 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:49,560 need a slasher needs shooting you know Miller cop was two year 335 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,480 or last year he was 4445% from 3 whatever it was. 336 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,800 So those are two needs. I would I would like to see 337 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,000 Indiana maybe go after a bigger point guard. 338 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,400 We've seen some of that throughout the big 10 this year. 339 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,400 You mentioned Nebraska and the two games that Indiana played in 340 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,120 the regular season that again in the the tournament for a third 341 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:13,400 time they used Bryce Williams late in the year who's a six 342 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,520 foot seven guy at the point guard spot. 343 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:21,840 Illinois used Ty Rogers who's 6667 and Marcus Damask who's 66 344 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,800 handling the ball. UConn the overall number one 345 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,240 seed in the NCAA tournament Tristan Newton Steph Castle and 346 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:36,160 that back work there 6566. So I think seeing seeing Indiana 347 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,120 maybe get a little bit bigger at the guard spot you can keep Trey 348 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:45,040 Galloway at the two to to to keep some of that size and then 349 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,080 add another shooter. I know we mentioned Dalton 350 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:53,480 Connect finding a player like him isn't easy to find, but but 351 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,720 that's where I think Indiana's focus should be and you know 352 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,800 being being more perimeter based than interior based because 353 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,440 Indiana shot a lot of tooths. I think they were they were 354 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,920 first or second in the league as far as getting their offense 355 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,200 from inside the arc. So I would, I would like to see 356 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,600 them spread it around a little bit more and kind of join the 357 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:20,080 new age of three pointers in this, this analytical era of 358 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,040 college basketball. Yeah, I think we, I think we all 359 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,520 would. And you know it's it's it's 360 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,880 tough because you have Trace Jackson Davis which is you know 361 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,960 the the historically great post player. 362 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,160 Then you get Khalil Ware who is also really good. 363 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,800 But it's like you have to look up the road and it's like Purdue 364 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,560 has had just a string of seven foot dudes, but yet they're 365 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,560 still able to mix in a couple of threes here and there. 366 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,000 So that's that's that's a tough part. 367 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,480 That's the biggest, that's the biggest difference in in who 368 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,920 they are this year because it's the three-point shooting. 369 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,080 And you know, of course they dumped the ball into Zach Edie a 370 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,440 lot. They they get, they get a lot of 371 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,560 their points at the free throw line, which is a different 372 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,040 discussion. I know Indiana fans are probably 373 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,200 pretty fired up about how Purdue games get officiated, but. 374 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,480 The the the fact that they added Lance Jones, Braden Smith, 375 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,720 Fletcher lawyer, have gotten better and they've shot the ball 376 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,920 better from three as a team is, is why they're in the spot 377 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,120 they're in. So you mentioned, I want to ask 378 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:22,400 you this and I know that you you're on the Big 10 Network so 379 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,600 you're not going to like throw stones the Big 10. 380 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:29,080 But I I would I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll ask you this. 381 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,680 You know the the Big 10 hasn't won an NCAA tournament in a 382 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,480 while. Now it's going to, by the way, 383 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,720 it's going to be awesome if like UCLA wins it next year and it's 384 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:39,960 like that's how we break the streak. 385 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,520 It's like it's one of that maybe the UCLA is not in it, but like 386 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,080 you know Oregon, like one of the teams we bring in and it's like, 387 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,760 yeah, they won. Or like if if somehow like 388 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,880 Oregon wins it this year and then like we we try and like 389 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,280 retroactively take that as like well, that's a Big Ten title. 390 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,840 Like people like the Maryland won from, you know 2001. 391 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,440 It's like, no, that was an ACC title. 392 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,040 It's been a while. I'm, I'm I'm curious. 393 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,840 You mentioned the officiating piece like it. 394 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,840 It does feel like the Big 10 is just officiated and played 395 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,120 differently than the tournament. And you know, yes, Indiana fans 396 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:13,120 have issues with the way Zach Edie is is officiated. 397 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,000 I think Zach Edie is like Shaq and that he's unbelievably hard 398 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,880 to officiate, so I give a lot of leeway. 399 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,640 I also think it's mind boggling that, you know, as big as he is, 400 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,680 as physical as he plays, you look at his point, his fouls per 401 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,000 game, and it's like 11211. It's like I have a hard time 402 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,800 believing he plays that long without getting more than two 403 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,480 fouls. But then you see it in the 404 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,160 tournament. It's like he's always officiated 405 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,920 differently and I think you see this. 406 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,560 I will speak for myself. I see this differently in the 407 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,160 tournament where it's like I think that the way the Big 10 is 408 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,480 officiated provides Big 10 teams 0 favors when they get in the 409 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,280 tournament because suddenly a lot of the things they they've 410 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,960 done don't work. And then it suddenly seems like 411 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,000 Alabama and Auburn is running roughshot, or in Purdue's case, 412 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:58,280 teams that are, you know, 16 seats. 413 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,320 We'll just leave it at that. But I'm just, I'm curious as you 414 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,960 look at that, like, do you think it is just bad luck and Big 10 415 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,240 teams just haven't, you know, won the final four games they're 416 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,320 in? Do you think there's a 417 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,120 systematic change in the way the Big 10 games are played that 418 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:15,400 could be changed to to help them in the tournament a little bit? 419 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,320 You know what I think it is more than that is, is playing style. 420 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:25,240 You know for for a while a lot of teams were were playing very 421 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,320 similarly and what I think is good for the Big 10, not only 422 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,960 adding the West Coast schools where we're where we'll see a 423 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,320 little bit different playing style is a team like Penn State 424 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:39,480 that Mike Rhodes has brought his VCU style of a full court, full 425 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,120 court pressure and basically havoc for 40 minutes. 426 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,240 The Big 10 hasn't seen a lot of that over the past several 427 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,360 years. So I think that will force teams 428 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,080 to change a little bit and be a little bit more prepared to see 429 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,080 teams out of conference. Nebraska has has brought a 430 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,800 pretty style of basketball into the Big 10 with a lot of the NBA 431 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,440 stuff that Fredwell Woodberg does. 432 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:09,040 So I think it's I think it's more around that than than it is 433 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:13,680 around how the game is called the the physical style no doubt 434 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,880 like I I buy into the narrative that Big 10 teams just wear each 435 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,840 other out all year and then you get into the tournament and you 436 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,920 are a little bit tired. I I was thinking about that 437 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,400 watching Illinois yesterday in their first round game against 438 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,400 Morehead State. It seems to just be the Illinois 439 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,760 way now that they kind of come out slow and then they they hit 440 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,800 you with the hammer in the second-half of the big run. 441 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,360 So they've done this postseason but you know they they went 442 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,120 through the grind of winning three Big 10 tournament games. 443 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,400 They're playing a mid major team out of the Ohio Valley 444 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,400 Conference Morehead State that had their conference tournament 445 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,440 2 Saturdays ago. So they're coming off more of a 446 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:01,640 week long of rest and Illinois had to go through three Big 10 447 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,920 teams and fight it out with Wisconsin just this past Sunday. 448 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,040 So I think it's more more some of those factors. 449 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,640 I don't think the Big 10 is ever going to move the conference 450 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,160 tournament back a week like the mid major conferences do. 451 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,520 I don't think that's ever going to happen. 452 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,200 It's a great spot to have leading into Selection Sunday, 453 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,680 but I think there is something to that with you know, seeing 454 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,200 seeing some mid major teams that are more well rested in the 455 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,600 tournament too. I'm curious if you've heard this 456 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,000 in the league offices or not. And again, I really don't want 457 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,000 to put you in odd spots. I understand you work for the 458 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,040 Big 10 Network, but I would say that you know as the Big 10 has 459 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,640 continued to expand and has a pretty, pretty good TV revenue 460 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,240 number coming in. The thing that I've been looking 461 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,680 at the last couple of years, mentioned a few times on the 462 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,640 podcast with a lot of times to friends is, you know, I I feel 463 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,000 bad for the officials in the Big 10 because when you look at like 464 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,400 Ken Palm has a really cool way that they have the officials. 465 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,360 If you click on it, you can actually go and search the 466 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,440 officials schedule log. It's bananas. 467 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,120 Like to me it's wild. The Big 10 doesn't just hire 468 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:08,160 their own officials and have full time officials even just 469 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,160 for the season. When you look at some of the 470 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,560 the, the travel logs of these officials, it's bananas where 471 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,280 they're going to like ACC. They get it. 472 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,920 They're getting paid on games like the more they can do. 473 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,640 But it's also like they're not flying, flying, flying private 474 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:21,920 jets. Now I'm assuming I know you 475 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,480 travel like you're you're taking Southwest flights like and it's 476 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,200 like funny we talk about the travel for like Oh my God, like 477 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,800 you know the these you know the team has to go from you know 478 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,960 here to there and it's like it's not bad like they are the the 479 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,040 teams are taking you know private jets or jets provided by 480 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,520 the university. They're also 18. 481 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,000 Like I just think it's interesting that you have you 482 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,280 know 4050 sixty year old men who are like having real travel and 483 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,960 they're going you know six games in seven days across seven 484 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,200 states. It's like yeah people are going 485 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,720 to get tired and like people are going to make mistakes. 486 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,360 I I don't know I just I think that's an A real easy fix where 487 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:01,040 it's like you know, I I know we say this a lot on this pod but 488 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,720 it's like I I know the colleges and the big Ted doesn't want to 489 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,760 hear like this is really a professional sport. 490 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,520 Like, I know it's a collegiate sport and we're doing that, but 491 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,120 like, the the money is professional. 492 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,320 Like it seems like that would be a real quick, easy fix is like 493 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,560 just having official rest. You see it in the NBA right now, 494 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,720 like they're making some tweaks after the All Star break, 'cause 495 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,680 they're able to tell the officials, like, hey, let's 496 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,960 focus on this. And it's like now you're seeing 497 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,440 the, you know, offensive foul rate go down. 498 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,960 I I don't know, just just a thought. 499 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,400 I wonder if you think the Big 10 would ever go to something like 500 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,680 that? Yeah, I think the officials 501 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,560 would argue the compensation has to. 502 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,080 Agree. And I'm not. 503 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:34,880 I'm not here. I'm not. 504 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:35,800 I I agree. Yeah. 505 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,560 Yeah and and I think that's why you see a lot of these officials 506 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,960 do it. Some of it, some of it I think 507 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,400 is is love of the game. They they like being in arena 508 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,080 every single night or nine nights out of 10. 509 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,720 And yeah I think the compensation would have to match 510 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,800 it. But I'm I'm with you. 511 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,080 You know, there were there were several times this year where 512 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,240 I'm watching a game on a Friday night and then I'm showing up 513 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,720 for my game at 11:00 AM on Saturday. 514 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,560 And the official that was doing the game that I was watching the 515 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,760 night before is doing the game that I'm doing. 516 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,320 So, so the conversation was always like, how did you get 517 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,240 here? And sometimes the answer was I 518 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,360 drove through the night and you you you can't be at your 519 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:27,080 sharpest if you're working on three hours of sleep after doing 520 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,400 it a game the night before, so. What is what is that like? 521 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,160 You know you're you work for Big 10. 522 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,120 You you do you have some pretty crazy runs too. 523 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,080 It's like you're in like you know you're in Happy Valley and 524 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,640 then you're in Maryland and then you're going to Evanston. 525 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,400 Like what is the travel like for Someone Like You during the Big 526 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,720 10 season? Like does that all coordinated 527 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,840 by you? Like do you just have to figure 528 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,880 that out in your own Like, I'm just, I'm curious how that 529 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,160 works, you know, for for the Big 10 announcing crew. 530 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,000 Yeah, we get to we we have a travel coordinator at Big 10 531 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,040 Network that helps us with that. You know, we we can organize 532 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,480 like when and where we want to get in and out of and then then 533 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,160 our travel coordinator takes care of a lot of the details and 534 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,600 getting it booked and all that. I'd say the difference between 535 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,360 announcers and refs is refs are running around for 40 minutes, 536 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,800 if if not two hours where, you know, I'm, I'm slamming a 537 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,760 McDonald's breakfast burrito and I'm going to the arena and then 538 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,840 calling the game. That's. 539 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,600 That's not to say that there there aren't days where it can 540 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,080 feel like a little bit of a grind getting from site to site. 541 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,880 But I will, I will. I will never complain about 542 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,680 getting getting to do what we do. 543 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,120 But I'd say as far as like the physical, the physical taxing 544 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,760 definitely harder on an official in the news for the 545 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,280 announcement. Oh yeah. 546 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,680 I wonder if you mess up a name Not, not that you ever have but 547 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,800 if you mess up a name it's like the whole the whole state 548 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,880 doesn't stop and look at you where it's like if you're a ref 549 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,080 and you make the wrong call it's like that's that's rough We'll 550 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,280 get off the refs. I I'm. 551 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,680 I'm curious when you're looking at your docket for the season 552 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,080 and you look at kind of the games you're doing what are some 553 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,400 of the what are some of the venues in the big 10 that you're 554 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,720 like oh man, I'm excited to go there. 555 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,320 Like whether it's the town the place that you know what a place 556 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:07,880 you like. Dude, I'm. 557 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,520 I'm excited. I get to go here twice this 558 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,280 season. Assembly Hall, obviously. 559 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,160 I know. There you go. 560 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,400 There you go. Yeah. 561 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,080 And why? And why is it Assembly Hall? 562 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,160 Yeah. What's your favorite place and 563 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,120 why is it Assembly Hall? That that, I assumed, was going 564 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,480 to be the question. Yeah, no, I was, I was leaving 565 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,520 it open. You could be like, I like going 566 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,960 to Maryland or Rutgers or, you know. 567 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,440 Yeah, no, I I do really, really like coming to Assembly Hall. 568 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,000 My, you know, maybe another Big 10 fan base will listen to this 569 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,080 and yell at me next year. But my sister did go to school 570 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:45,040 at Indiana, so I do have a soft spot in my heart for coming to 571 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,640 Bloomington. My sister's older than me so 572 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:53,200 when I was going through college search and all that stuff I I'll 573 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,760 I'll now break Indiana fans hearts. 574 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,640 But I chose Ball State over Indiana. 575 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,720 Ball State has a really good communications program. 576 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,760 So like I you may not know that the Co host of our of my 577 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,800 podcast, Galen, is a professor at IUA, part of their media 578 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,800 school. But it's like we went to, we 579 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,800 went to school together, we were both at the student radio 580 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,000 station and did media things. And it's like I think at that 581 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,600 time we were still borrowing like Ball State's truck for 582 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,560 games. Like Ball State was just like 583 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,360 Indiana and Galen have really built that out. 584 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,800 But even when I was going to school, I was kind of like, man, 585 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,840 Ball State really has a great communications program. 586 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,120 So you know, you you, there's nothing wrong with Ball State at 587 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,240 all. Chirp, chirp, you know. 588 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,040 Hey, chirp, chirp. There you go. 589 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,360 We fly. Whatever. 590 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:39,240 We're going by now. But yeah, no, I I think from 591 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,880 from from going to games when my sister was a student there gave 592 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,560 me an appreciate appreciation for Assembly Hall and we would 593 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:53,600 usually have Nosebleed seats and feel and hear some of the noise. 594 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,960 But there's nothing like that first game that I did at 595 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:01,040 Assembly Hall where you're down in it And it was not it was not 596 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,440 a marquee game. I think I I had the Jackson 597 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,000 State game that was my first game at Assembly Hall. 598 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,920 But it it it energizes you immediately. 599 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,040 Just just being in there, being surrounded by the noise that 600 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,240 bounces off the walls of the boat that is Assembly Hall. 601 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,440 As I know you're on Indiana Pod, you can be totally honest, like, 602 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,480 where would you rank? Just kind of in the games you've 603 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,840 done, like the three loudest arenas in the Big 10? 604 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,000 And Assembly Hall does not need to be in there if it's not. 605 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,600 No, it it is, it is, it's it's up there with Breslin and 606 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,600 Mackie, which would be the top 3 for me. 607 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:45,760 Illinois has has gotten close to that a couple of times having 608 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,840 the student section right there behind the benches. 609 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,200 I've always thought it would be interesting if we flipped our 610 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,360 broadcast position because we're we're opposite of of that. 611 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,240 It would probably be not safe for work, but I think it would 612 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,320 be an interesting perspective to have to be over on that other 613 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,600 side, one closer to the benches but two right in front of the 614 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,160 student section. Not saying I want that that'll 615 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,200 happen but they they have a fun set up. 616 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,560 They're kind of similar to to what Breslin is where you're 617 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,360 across from the the student section in that way. 618 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,200 But no, those those would be the top three for me. 619 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,480 I'm trying to think if I I actually, I haven't done a game 620 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,800 at Wisconsin yet. I've done Wisconsin on the road, 621 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,120 but I haven't, I haven't had a game at Cole Center for for 622 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,080 Wisconsin home game, so I'd probably probably need to get 623 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,600 there. You know, one that's underrated 624 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,040 is Nebraska. And I think, I think Big 10 fans 625 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,400 are starting to realize that with the season that Nebraska 626 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,040 had. I I was there a couple of times 627 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,640 late last season when they started to play well in February 628 00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:00,360 and they were selling it out and it it felt like you're in an NBA 629 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,640 arena going to PBA. So that would be that would be 630 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,040 one that's kind of on the cusp of of breaking through. 631 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,240 They they obviously get up for a big game and they I think they 632 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,320 they deserve a lot of credit there in Lincoln for the the 633 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,160 environment they have. Yeah, no, the the seeing it on 634 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,680 TV, it looks, it looks pretty cool that's that's a goal of 635 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,720 mine. Like you said, you haven't been 636 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,400 Nicole. Like I'm I'm trying to get to I 637 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,800 want to get to all the Big 10 arenas. 638 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,680 I've been to a good number of them but I'd like to get to all 639 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,360 of them. The the one that not to throw 640 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,800 shade but it's like the the one that seems like it's just not a 641 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,640 great college venue or is like too big is like I think it's 642 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,440 value city now where where Ohio State plays like it just it 643 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,240 always feels dead in it. They also have the the weirdest 644 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,120 camera angle. It's like for a relatively new 645 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,400 arena it's like it is the worst angle for a camera of any big 10 646 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,960 venue. But it just it feels it it feels 647 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,720 very just kind of like antiseptic like it just doesn't 648 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,760 feel like a great venue. At least that's I've I've not 649 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,760 been there for a game how it sees on TV. 650 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,240 Yeah. No. 651 00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,200 And there's, I think there's there's some truth to that from 652 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,960 from what I've been told from people that have been in the 653 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:08,679 building for the the real big games it it can be a good 654 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,760 environment but obviously they they struggle a little bit there 655 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,719 with moving on from football season at Ohio State sometimes. 656 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,159 But you know another one that's that's underrated is, is 657 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,400 Northwestern. It's it's the perfect size. 658 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,239 I was I was there for the overtime game against Illinois 659 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:33,280 this year and that's probably the loudest venue I've been in 660 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,760 this season You know Mackey is loud at its peak Breslin Center. 661 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,560 I did the the Tennessee exhibition there where it it got 662 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,920 crazy loud felt like an earthquake and and we mentioned 663 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,880 assembly Hall too but Northwestern the the the in 664 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,560 state crowd and how that game went with the shot making it it 665 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,880 kind of felt like a state championship game and the fact 666 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:05,280 that it's a A7 or 8000 seat arena whatever it is the the 667 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,200 floor shakes and it's it's really really cool to to be in 668 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,040 there when it's at its peak. Actually, I was there for the 669 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,520 Indiana game last year. I I didn't call the game, but 670 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,640 the the famous Boo Boo we push off with with with Galloway 671 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,680 Garden. And that's when I really started 672 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,400 to realize that Northwestern is starting to build this into a 673 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,440 place not only where their own fans are coming, but obviously 674 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,200 there's a lot of alumni from the Big 10 schools in Chicago. 675 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:34,680 No I know. I've noticed that just on TV 676 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,040 like it used to be four or five years ago. 677 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,840 I mean that was just that was Assembly Hall. 678 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,680 NI mean there's just a there's a lot of IU grads in Chicago and 679 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,280 they just they would load that up and it's it's starting to 680 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,200 change based on the success Northwestern has had. 681 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,880 Yeah. The Boo Booey push up. 682 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,720 There's also like that game Jalen Hood Shaffino had a half 683 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:53,160 court shot which was really close and they were shooting off 684 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,920 like steam from the back of the the the goal and it's like did 685 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,240 that affect I I don't know if it would have gone in but it's like 686 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,800 can we just stop shooting stuff off that have pieces that are 687 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,600 connected to the goal while balls are still alive in the air 688 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,920 and anyway wouldn't wouldn't have affected the season I don't 689 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,320 think. But you know it's it's it's not 690 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,560 fun losing to to Northwestern. So you you mentioned football, I 691 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,360 will ask this question. You know, going into next 692 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,560 season, who do you think the breakout team will be? 693 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,240 Who do you think the best new coach in the Big 10 is? 694 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,480 And tell me why it's Kurt Cignetti in the IU Football 695 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,040 Hoosiers. I I figured that's where you're 696 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,560 leading me. Indiana. 697 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,880 Indiana football is definitely leading the offseason and in 698 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,360 trash talk. Yes, I I mean, I I love it. 699 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,560 I I love the fact that the coaches come in there and said 700 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,080 that I'm doing this interview at Lucas Oil Stadium because we're 701 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,200 going to be here for the Big 10 title game next year. 702 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,600 Yeah, no, I I I just real quick to interrupt like I love it. 703 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,240 I, I was at the game in Assembly Hall where he came out and was 704 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,680 like you know produce sucks and like Michigan sucks. 705 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,800 Ohio State sucks. And like, it's, it was funny, 706 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,320 The few, like, little things I saw from Michigan, Ohio State 707 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,000 fans getting kind of pissed. And it's like, dude, what what 708 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,200 do you want us to say? Like, oh, we're we're excited to 709 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,920 lose. Like we're playing a game. 710 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,720 Like, yes, we want to beat these teams. 711 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,760 Do I think we're going to beat Michigan and Ohio State next 712 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:11,400 year? No. 713 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,200 But, like, our goal should be to want to do that. 714 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,240 Like, it was really funny seeing the reaction. 715 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:19,360 Like, how how can you say that? It's like, well, because we want 716 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,440 to win at some point. Like, yes, we've sucked. 717 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,560 We've not been good. But like, we're allowed to have 718 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,600 a little bit of confidence. Like, what are you going to do, 719 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,960 beat us by more? Like, I don't know, it's funny. 720 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,600 Right, right. No, I'm, I'm, I'm good with it. 721 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,560 We'll we'll see. It ends up being an old take 722 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,680 exposed. I'm sure it'll be used against 723 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,320 against Indiana if they don't win those games which at some 724 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,560 point is is just going to happen. 725 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,640 That's that's the the matter of fact like they're not going to 726 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,120 win all those games every single year that Coach Cignetti is the 727 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,120 head coach. So at some point somebody will 728 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,760 use that. But look people are talking 729 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,520 about Indiana throughout the conference because of some of 730 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:05,000 those things and if it's just honeymoon phase talk we can 731 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,560 revisit it in a couple years. But he's he has won in the 732 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,680 places that he's been and I think it just it's it's like 733 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,160 everywhere it's it's what are your expectations are you are 734 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,360 you happy with a bowl game every year if if you're at Indiana or 735 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,880 is the Cignetti era failure if they aren't competing with 736 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,680 Michigan and Ohio State for Big 10 championship. 737 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,200 Based on the talk from coach Cignetti it sounds like that 738 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,720 second option is is where the expectation is is where he wants 739 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,640 it to be. But I'm I'm really excited to to 740 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,360 see how they can back it up and I know spring ball just got 741 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,040 kicked off here so we get to to see all that come into focus a 742 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,120 little bit clearer. No and he's he's done a great 743 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,800 job I think cuz I mean we we talked about it a little bit 744 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,320 earlier like the the apathy thing as a football star my dogs 745 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,400 and it's very we're we're dog heavy here on the podcast always 746 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,400 get dogs barking as a season ticket holder for IU for like 15 747 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,120 years. So yes I'm one of the the few 748 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,040 and we do a lot of football talk on this pod. 749 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,120 You know, the apathy had set it like it just had under. 750 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,160 You know, you had the big the big kick with Alan in 2020 and 751 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,160 then just the big kick in the teeth the next season and then 752 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,520 it just kind of flat line. It's like I think the apathy had 753 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,400 just the IU football fan base has been beaten down for a long 754 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,640 time and kind of got excited, felt like the rug was pulled out 755 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,360 and like there was genuine apathy this season, which he was 756 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,480 like whatever man, I'm I'm out. I think Cignetti has done a 757 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,840 really good job of bringing some of that back and he said 758 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,360 expectations. It's like I you know we can have 759 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,200 fun with talking about you know Michigan and Ohio State sucking 760 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,240 but it's like that's not we are competing against the the 761 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:48,720 Purdue's the Illinois's kind of the the you know Maryland, 762 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,760 Rutgers like those mid level teams. 763 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,480 Like that's where we're competing against and trying to 764 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,600 get six wins, trying to get a ball. 765 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,480 Like we can have high aspirations, but we can miss 766 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,880 those aspirations, still have successful seasons. 767 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,520 And just important that, you know, at times it feels like 768 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,080 Indiana's just been like. Very aggressively non 769 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,920 competitive in football and it's like with with the way that 770 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,440 college athletics is going it it's not it's not possible to do 771 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,560 that and where things are moving it's like you just you need to 772 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,560 be more competitive in in football and it it feels like 773 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,840 they're they're making that move and they they did like you know 774 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,760 big buyout for Alan and then you know getting Cignetti and and 775 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,160 putting the resources there and all the pieces like it's it is 776 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,560 hopefully they can back some of it up but it is an exciting time 777 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,680 for IU football at least we feel like we've won the offseason 778 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,320 which isn't a game but it's it feel like we've done at least as 779 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,040 bet as well as we can do in the offseason. 780 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,040 Right, right. No doubt. 781 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,160 And not not to look back too much, but I just think about the 782 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,040 the margins of last season and I'm sure you've you've covered 783 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,240 this on this podcast. But look what Louisville ended 784 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:55,600 up doing and and how close Indiana was to winning that 785 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,880 game. Yeah you can always play the the 786 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,760 the hindsight game but if Indiana won that game would 787 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,560 there have been a coaching change? 788 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,160 I don't I don't know. But you're you're 4th and goal 789 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,400 from from the half yard line and Louisville ended up being a a 790 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,800 team that was playing for an ACC championship. 791 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,240 So that that was the moment for me where things kind of turned 792 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,680 last year. Then of course you had, you had 793 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,600 the Akron game. That I think led to to some of 794 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,480 the apathy and frustration that that carried into the rest of 795 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,760 the season last year. Yeah. 796 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,480 I think. I I was there for that late 797 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,760 night in in Bloomington and and for overtimes. 798 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,840 Yeah, that was, that was, that was a tough game. 799 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,440 That was a rough like you won. But that's like that's as bad, 800 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,560 as bad of a win as you can have. And it was, yeah, yeah, I don't 801 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,840 want to relitigate last year, but no, it's like that that that 802 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,840 fourth of the that thing against like I think there was multiple 803 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,560 times where we continued to get stuffed on, you know fourth and 804 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,560 one at the goal. I think there was a time before 805 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,160 that Louisville game and that Louisville game and it's just 806 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,680 like we get down there and it's like we're not a running power 807 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,440 team, but yet you just keep jump jamming the ball in. 808 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,040 I don't know that's it's it is it's in the past. 809 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,640 We are moving on. I I can tell I I brought up some 810 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,680 some scars there, so my bad. No, no, no, no, no, you're fine. 811 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,120 No, you're fine. It's just it is wild like, you 812 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,880 know, I think it was. It was Jeremy Irons, I think was 813 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,680 a quarterback of of Akron and it's like, you know, with the 814 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,920 way Alan talked about at the end, he was playing like Michael 815 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,280 Vick. But then you look at his stats 816 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,400 the rest of the year, it's like this is not who this guy is like 817 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,680 this is and all credit man, he had a great game. 818 00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:34,680 But yeah it's rough but you look at this coming season you know 819 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,000 it's it's got a you have a really good kind of easy lead in 820 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,800 like for for Indiana you start with you know FIU at home, 821 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,760 Western Illinois at home you should be two and O and then you 822 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,960 go to UCLA. I'm going to that game maybe if 823 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,440 you're calling it we can we can hook up with the I'm I'm excited 824 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,800 to go to the Rose Bowl. But it's like as Big 10 schools 825 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,400 go you know it's not Ohio State it's not Michigan. 826 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,160 Like you got to win some Big 10 games. 827 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,960 Like UCLA is not a A putt too far, so to speak. 828 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,920 You know that's a game that theoretically you you might win 829 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,280 like it's not awful and then you're you're home to, home to 830 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,800 Charlotte, home to Maryland. Again, I'm not saying you're 831 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,120 going to start five and O, but it's like that's not you know, 832 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,240 UCLA and Maryland are not what I would call the cream of the 833 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:14,840 cropper. It's not going to Wisconsin or 834 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,480 something like so I don't know, I I look at the the road, it's 835 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,000 like I've been saying for a while, Indiana could be 4 and O 836 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,880 or you know four and one or five and O and we're not even sure if 837 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,840 they're a great team or not. Yeah, I mean you you start 838 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,880 playing that game. UCLA has a new code. 839 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,400 Chip Kelly leaves late in the offseason. 840 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,640 Maryland's is going to have a new quarterback. 841 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,160 So just just on the surface level, I think there is a path 842 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,680 where you can start dreaming of a quick start for Hoosier 843 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,520 football. What as we talk about football, 844 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,960 what what do you as a broadcaster do you have? 845 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,800 Like, do you enjoy football or basketball more, or are they the 846 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,240 same? Or like do you look, do you look 847 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,520 forward to calling 11 sport more than the other? 848 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,440 I think my favorite season is crossover season. 849 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,000 So November get to do both or. You get to do both at the same 850 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,560 time. You're you're you're right on 851 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,640 the edge of conference season starting for basketball and 852 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,600 you're you're closing out the final month of football season. 853 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,320 So when it's when it's all going at once and you get to have some 854 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,560 of those crazy travel nights like we talked about, yeah, 855 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,080 that's that's an adrenaline rush for me as an announcer. 856 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,920 So no, I don't, I don't really have a preference, honestly. 857 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,880 Volleyball would be in my, I guess, big group of sports that 858 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,320 I like to call. That's that's how I started with 859 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,400 Big 10 Network and had a chance to do the volleyball day in 860 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,800 Nebraska, where they set the the world. 861 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,600 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so, so volleyball would be 862 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,680 right in there with the mix. And then I call a lot of 863 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,800 baseball too. So I'd say that's that's kind of 864 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,200 my core even though I have done water polo and track and field 865 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,680 some some of those sports that aren't on TV quite as much for 866 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,800 Big 10 network. But those, those would be the 867 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,840 Big four I would say. Are you are you excited for the 868 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,880 the West Coast teams and the West Coast trips? 869 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,320 I am, yeah. Yeah. 870 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,400 I think that, you know, this was somebody was giving me a hard 871 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,000 time the other day. I was out there this summer, 872 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,880 just on a vacation, driving down the coast. 873 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,120 I always wanted to drive the Pacific Coast Highway. 874 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:27,320 I went from Seattle all the way down to LA, and on my way in 875 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,640 Seattle, I stopped by Washington's campus, drove 876 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,640 through Eugene, stopped by Oregon's campus, and then went 877 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,040 to LA and and saw the other two as well. 878 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,200 So it was kind of like an unintentional Big 10 tour. 879 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,280 And then a week later, Oregon and Washington got announced. 880 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,840 OK, So aggregated here, Connor, Connor Onion actually did the 881 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,640 deals to get this done. All right. 882 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:49,280 Right. Yeah. 883 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,720 You you were the Emissary. It's like they weren't following 884 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,360 your like your your airplane tail number. 885 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,960 It's like we'll send Connor out to get the deal, to get the deal 886 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,360 done. Well, Congrats on signing the 887 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,600 deal. Well, thanks for bringing those 888 00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,920 schools in. We appreciate it. 889 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,120 Yeah, as as I'm commonly known as Tony Petiti's right hand man. 890 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,880 That's that's irony in case nobody caught that. 891 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,960 No, I I'm, I'm really excited for it. 892 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,120 I I hope at some point that you know I I get to get to 893 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,000 experience sailgating at Washington, being out there on 894 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,800 the lake outside of the football stadium. 895 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:30,080 And I'll tell you Austin Stadium is the most highly secured 896 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,720 football stadium I've ever been around. 897 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,280 Really. When I went, when I went there 898 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:40,880 for a visit to to Eugene this summer, there were like 3 gates 899 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,440 that you have to get through to get into the stadium and nobody 900 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,640 was really around that day ended up getting in there, but like 901 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,520 you can't climb a fence and just get into Austin Stadium. 902 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,360 I think they, I think they have like facial recognition and that 903 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,920 sort of thing to try to get through the gates. 904 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,320 So I don't know if they've had issues there. 905 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,800 Maybe that's a story that I don't know, but I was just 906 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,040 waiting for there to be, like an alligator in a Moat that you had 907 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,320 to cross to to get it to Hudson Stadium. 908 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,840 Or maybe you were wearing it. Maybe you didn't know what you 909 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,080 were wearing. Adidas, like just you had the 910 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,480 wrong brand on. It's like Nike. 911 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,880 Only like if you had a Nike. It's like the Wizard of Oz. 912 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,200 The gates just open and it's like, oh, Connor, come in. 913 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,520 Thank you. I should have gone to the Nike 914 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,240 store 1st and gotten fitted and then. 915 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,640 Yeah, yeah. If you come with the receipt 916 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,120 like over 100 bucks like oh you're you're welcome in come on 917 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:34,000 in No I think it's are you you know were were you happy to see 918 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,680 that addition like do you think it's the I think the big 10's in 919 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,360 a good spot expanding out to the West Coast. 920 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,880 Yeah I I think it was necessary with with what the SEC has done 921 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,240 and and just kind of where the the realignment picture has gone 922 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,400 better to be proactive than to to have what's happened to some 923 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,840 of the other leagues. So obviously it's it's going to 924 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,560 be good for TV. You know I I say that 925 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,280 understanding how it benefits the conference and the network 926 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,360 that that I cover quite a bit but it's it's not lost on me 927 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,360 that it is sad for the PAC 12. You know the the regionality of 928 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,480 some of those rivalries were really fun to watch as a college 929 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,600 sports fan and that's that's what I am at my core like that's 930 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,880 why I got into this. So it's it there. 931 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,200 There are two ends of it is understanding that it is good 932 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,360 for the Big 10. It is an exciting opportunity to 933 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,880 potentially go out there and cover some games while also 934 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,760 balancing that. You know there there are people 935 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:44,200 that lost jobs because of this and fan bases that won't get to 936 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,320 see the regional rivalries that that we love in the Midwest like 937 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,600 Indiana and Purdue. Yeah. 938 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,280 No it's it's a fair points. When I was with some friends 939 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,280 yesterday watching the first round of the NCAA term was 940 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,320 talking kind of college sports stuff and it's like I I hate 941 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,120 turning into old man get off my lot. 942 00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,960 I I fully understand everything that happened. 943 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:01,280 I think it's good for the Big 10. 944 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,080 It all makes sense. It had to happen. 945 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,840 But I do I do lament the changes in college sports because I like 946 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,360 you. I kind of like, you know, PAC 12 947 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,080 football which is different than Big 12 football and Big 10 948 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,120 football was different. It was you know, I I even kind 949 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,880 of missed the Thomas yesterday. Like I think it's a dumb way to 950 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,200 find a national champion but kind of like just having a bunch 951 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,480 of bowls and then you vote on it. 952 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,960 It's like you have all these different styles. 953 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,600 It's like how do we how do we fit this? 954 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,080 And it's like, you know, I, I we're not moving back to that. 955 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,240 But there is a world where like having an imperfect system was 956 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:36,200 kind of fun and interesting. And it wasn't perfect, but it's 957 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,520 like if you wanted perfection and like you wanted to get it 958 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,080 right, you you'd watch pro sports. 959 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,240 Like that's where college sports is. 960 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:44,240 Like it's it's different, it's quirky, it's like there's these 961 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:48,160 little nuances. And I do, you know, there's not 962 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,520 a question here, but I just, I do wonder if like rounding all 963 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,240 the edges off and turning into a smaller version of pro sports, 964 00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:56,680 if you're going to lose some of that, and probably not the money 965 00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:00,200 would would say that I'm wrong and people don't mind it, but it 966 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,920 does. It does feel different and maybe 967 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,080 this is just getting older and seeing things change, but it I, 968 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,920 I do wonder if like we'll look up in 20 years and spec man, I 969 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,520 kind of miss. I kind of miss when it was, you 970 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,160 know, weird and quirky. Yeah, yeah. 971 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,840 No, I I think there will be a lot of things we do miss. 972 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:23,880 I think as as a a fan of college sports I think we'll find new 973 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:29,080 things to love about it and new things to be fodder for 974 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:34,240 conversations like this. But but yeah like the the Apple 975 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:37,880 Cup going away is sad. You know Oregon State, 976 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,640 Washington State kind of being left on the outside. 977 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,920 I I feel for those schools. You know Washington State is 978 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,480 playing the NCAA tournament right now. 979 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:52,200 So they obviously have some national credibility and and 980 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,720 relevance as far as TV sports, but but the markets are smaller 981 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:01,200 and I understand where we're at as ATV industry too. 982 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,520 Yeah no I I feel bad for those schools that have kind of been 983 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,920 left behind and and but it's you we we we represent a little bit 984 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,800 in this pod but if you go read some of the stories about what 985 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,760 was going on with the PAC 12 and their administration like they 986 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,520 they didn't help themselves at all. 987 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,800 Maybe this is all inevitable but the the PAC 12 leadership and 988 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,040 what they were doing, like they they really, I'll just leave it 989 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,160 like they really didn't help themselves. 990 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,200 Go go read about it and like see what the the commissioners were 991 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,120 spending and the things they turned down and what they were 992 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,400 doing. And like they they made a lot of 993 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,320 mistakes and that they could have stopped some of the 994 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,800 bleeding at any point. Along the way, yeah. 995 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,600 No, it's it there. There'll be, there'll be a book 996 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,280 written about it. I don't know if, I don't know if 997 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,440 you're going to take the lead on it. 998 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,800 Not a writer. I'm a talker not a right. 999 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,080 No. There there is a great book out 1000 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,400 there that they could be written a lot of it. 1001 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,040 But I think The thing is is that the the the sands are still 1002 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,280 shifting like you know not going to ask you like but I I do think 1003 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,200 we're not completely well I'll ask you if you can agree or 1004 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,400 disagree and you can take it however you want and then we'll 1005 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,000 start wrapping up. But like I I think there's still 1006 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,480 more shifting to come like it there's there still feels like 1007 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,440 there's some schools out there that are unaffiliated one in 1008 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,840 South Bend and you know some schools that are like just at 1009 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,200 some point have got to figure out how to get in their school 1010 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,880 Like Florida State doesn't want doesn't is not happy with their 1011 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,720 set up. You know, the ACC schools are 1012 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,360 kind of like it just it feels like we got one more round and 1013 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,320 like we'll get to a 20 and 22 nuts in the SEC and and it'll go 1014 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,960 from there to it doesn't feel like this is completely done as 1015 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,960 it stands right now. No, we've we've got a lot of 1016 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,680 court time coming if if the Clemson situation this week is 1017 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,520 any indication of, you know some of those documents going public 1018 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,560 on how they're trying to get out of the grant of rights, which is 1019 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,000 their agreement with ESPN, which keeps that conference together 1020 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,480 through 2036, so. It's also just a wild. 1021 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,720 That's a wild docket. Like the fact they signed that. 1022 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,640 Like, I get why ESPN wanted to do it. 1023 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,760 It's just while they lock themselves into that and it's I 1024 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,120 I I understand like you want that long term security. 1025 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,400 But it is, you know, it's to a point where you know again it's 1026 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,080 good for us. It's it's definitely good for 1027 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,720 you being on the Big 10 Network. But I've been joking with 1028 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,160 friends that, you know, we're getting to a point for those who 1029 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,080 aren't fully locked into this where it's like I don't see a 1030 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,120 world in two or three years where like, you know, when 1031 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,960 Indiana's looking for Kurt Cignetti or looking for a coach, 1032 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,200 it's in in, like, you know, Cignetti's 62, so I doubt he 1033 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,960 would take another job. But like, let's say he's super 1034 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,920 successful in three or four years and we do play in the Big 1035 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,360 10 title game. And, you know, IU fans are 1036 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,520 always like, oh, what if he gets poached? 1037 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,920 I'm kind of like, well, we're at a point where the only teams 1038 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,680 that can poach him are Big 10 or SCC. 1039 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,120 Like, as long as Big 10 and SCC schools are doing their job. 1040 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,480 Like there, there really isn't a world as I see it where any 1041 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,280 other conference can poach teams like maybe a Clemson, maybe a 1042 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:00,760 Florida State. That's like every other school 1043 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,320 in the Big 12 and the ACC. Not to be a Dick, but it's like 1044 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,840 they just don't have the money. Like, and and every year it's 1045 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,560 going to get exponentially worse where it's like Indiana, even as 1046 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,160 bad as we are at football, we're making $80 million a year off 1047 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,520 the Big 10 network. Clemson's making like 30, and so 1048 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,320 there's an extra 50 every single year. 1049 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,480 That's a in three years, $150 million we have, they don't have 1050 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:26,600 like there's no world where you know, Oklahoma State can just be 1051 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,880 like, hey, we're going to pay an extra $35,000,000 to steal a A 1052 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,720 coach away from a Big 10 school. So I I think from a Big 10 1053 00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,640 perspective, it's like that's kind of nice that you're only 1054 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,640 basically fighting against the same 32 teams and you don't you 1055 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,720 know the the the world where it's like you're going to lose a 1056 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,480 coach to Oregon State. Like they're out of the, they're 1057 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,080 out of the picture now. Like, they're just, they're not 1058 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,840 going to be able to poach a coach from Indiana. 1059 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,160 No, that's there's there's a lot of truth in what you said. 1060 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:57,760 I think the only there there's not really an equalizer from the 1061 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,760 the TV money that comes in through those two leagues. 1062 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,560 But I I'd say like 1 outlier might be SMU. 1063 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,960 They they have pretty deep pockets there as far as being 1064 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,840 able to go to the ACC and not take some of that TV money right 1065 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,600 away. They're not taking TV money for 1066 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,280 like 8 years or something or three years or it's it's a it's 1067 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,840 a like they're they're again, we're not an SMU podcast, but 1068 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,800 it's like go go look at it like it's wild, like they are just 1069 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,560 not taking money. And when they announced it, they 1070 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,040 immediately got like $120 million in donations. 1071 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,720 Right, right. So maybe that's the work arounds 1072 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,440 but you better have deep pockets in your your alumni base to to 1073 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:41,320 to be one of those outliers. But yeah I I think I think 1074 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,760 that's that's a good point about the hire of Kurt Cignetti is you 1075 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:50,040 you almost hired a coach at the perfect age for what you need if 1076 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,440 if that that fear is that you have success and he leaves. 1077 00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:58,360 I I I think he said it publicly that he wants this to be his 1078 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,040 last job and and he wants to win for several years Here's so. 1079 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,400 When it's it's probably a, it's probably an Indian. 1080 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,040 It's probably a fan base thing everywhere where you're always 1081 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,880 worried about like getting there unless you're at the upper as 1082 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,400 like I don't think IU basketball. 1083 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,080 We're not worried about our coaches being poached IU 1084 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,960 football. It's funny, the fans that that I 1085 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,440 talked to were always like, we had Kevin Wilson in like the 1086 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,440 first two years, like, he did OK And it's like, Oh my God, what 1087 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,720 if he leaves? And like, even with Tom Allen 1088 00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:23,080 that one year, it's like, Oh my God, what if he leaves? 1089 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,800 And my thing has always been like, go look at the history. 1090 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,920 Like there's never been an IU coach who has been poached for a 1091 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,320 better job. Like, it just hasn't happened. 1092 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,120 Like all of our coaches have been fired, like or like Steve 1093 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,640 Weiss left for the NFL. Like, it's just there's not a 1094 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,680 long history. It's not like we're, you know, 1095 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,560 Michigan State where it's like you had Saban and you lost him 1096 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,640 or it's like you like it doesn't happen. 1097 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,040 I've always like that would be great. 1098 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,960 Like if we get a coach poached by Alabama, which I guess we 1099 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,760 kind of did with Deborah going like a very roundabout way that 1100 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,200 Deborah was that. It was a coordinator. 1101 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,600 I'm joking. But it's like if we have our, 1102 00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,360 like if Tom Allen would have gotten hired by Auburn, like 1103 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,200 that would have sucked at the time. 1104 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,720 But I'm like, that's a good thing because that means we were 1105 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:07,000 good. Like we just normally our coach. 1106 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,960 It's it's, I just think it's funny how far we put the cart 1107 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,960 ahead of the horse where it's like people are already like 1108 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,400 worried about like what if we lose? 1109 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,120 Like so then. He hasn't even coached the game 1110 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,320 yet. Like, let him win 3 before we 1111 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,320 worry about him going to Alabama anyway. 1112 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,280 It's but I'm sure every fan base in kind of that midsection is 1113 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,080 always worried about that. Yeah, by the way, Alabama 1114 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,880 poached the South Dakota high school coach. 1115 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,080 That's that's the real roundabout way, right? 1116 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,200 That's a fair way to put it. Yeah, that's A and I think it's 1117 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,880 funny like I I mean, I'm taking it like those are Indiana ties. 1118 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,920 But it's like he was a coordinator here for one year. 1119 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,160 Like I'm not sure how deep, how deep his roots are to Indiana. 1120 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,640 But to me, it's like that was we were in the national champ, we 1121 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,040 had we had a quarterback, we had Pennix, we had Devore, like that 1122 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,080 was an IU title to be won right there. 1123 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,360 Yeah, well, yeah. And in the short term, you win. 1124 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,920 I understand you fear you might lose your coach, but but you 1125 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,320 win. You're having a good time as a 1126 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,000 fan base for a couple years, but then when it comes time to hire 1127 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,800 the next guy the the job is more attractive so. 1128 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,320 You keep it going well, we'll end on this Connor. 1129 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:07,920 We don't want to lose you. We love you on the Big 10 1130 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,040 Network. We don't want to lose you. 1131 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,640 So we don't want we don't want you poached by like ESPN or CBS. 1132 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,080 So stay with us at the Big 10 Network and stay in this this 1133 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,880 college ACOs for you're you're a Midwest guy you went to Ball 1134 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,000 State you live in Chicago. Like, stay with us. 1135 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,880 No, I I appreciate that. No, I I love covering the Big 10 1136 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,200 and like you mentioned this is the the conference that that I 1137 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,680 grew up on. So it was it was definitely a 1138 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,120 pinch me moment when I got to do my first game and I I think I've 1139 00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,760 I've kept that gratitude as I've I've been at this for four or 1140 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,320 five years now with the Big 10 network. 1141 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:47,080 So I'll I'll I'll always be a Midwest guy and the the Big 10 1142 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,440 is it's what I feel like is my home conference. 1143 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,560 So yeah, it's been a really, really fun run here the last 1144 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,200 four or five years. No, it's it's awesome to be able 1145 00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,880 to grow up, be able to do it like you're you're you're living 1146 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,560 the dream that a lot of a lot of people listen to this pod like 1147 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,600 aspiring broadcasters like you've you've done it. 1148 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,120 So some point we need to have you on and kind of go through 1149 00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,520 your whole journey. But we went long today. 1150 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,560 The only thing that you did that is super smart that you're able 1151 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,280 to get on is you own connoronion.com like you got 1152 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,840 your own URL like it's funny. I was actually looking for like 1153 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,320 our last name like for for my kids. 1154 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,040 I I had to add like go to my like you couldn't even get you. 1155 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,560 You got your names like for all. If you're in media school right 1156 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,920 now like go and get if your name URL is there, go get it 'cause I 1157 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,320 I pulled that up. That's that's awesome. 1158 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,760 Like that's a good pull by you. That's that was advice I got 1159 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,160 four or five years ago and and somebody made that same exact 1160 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,480 point like you've got to claim this before somebody else does. 1161 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,200 And at the time I was thinking like who else is going to claim 1162 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:49,960 connoronion.com unless it's like fire connoronion.com or 1163 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,920 something like that, I I can't imagine why somebody would. 1164 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,320 Well, again, man, you you don't want apathy like, hey, I mean, 1165 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,000 not that not that anyone's going to start that website. 1166 00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,840 At least that means people care about Connor Onion. 1167 00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,480 Like if there's a fight. I'm just totally kidding. 1168 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,520 No, we No. No, I I I don't. 1169 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,160 All right. Well Connor, it's been, it's 1170 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,560 been awesome to have you on. I appreciate you taking the time 1171 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,280 you're you're getting into the slow season but we look forward 1172 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,200 to having like love to have you back on maybe beginning of 1173 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,760 football season. We really preview IU, see what 1174 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,240 we have, maybe see what games you're doing and then we'll go 1175 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,560 from there. Yeah, no, it would love to be 1176 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,720 back on and I'm glad we could finally make this happen, Scott. 1177 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,000 Yeah, no, it's great talking to you and look forward to you next 1178 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,240 time for Crimson Cast. This is Scott signing off.