1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,920 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:25,520 Field Apparel. Good evening and welcome back to 3 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,320 Crimson Cast. It is Halloween night, October 4 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,080 31st. It's 9:00 PM. 5 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,880 We're going late tonight, but we got to talk IU football. 6 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,320 IU taking on Michigan State this upcoming weekend and there is so 7 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,560 much to speak of as far as this game is concerned, A huge game 8 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,720 for IU football. We're looking forward to 9 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,720 chatting with you about all of it here on the show. 10 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,760 Whether you're listening live or whether you're listening on tape 11 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,880 delay, we're happy to have you in the audience. 12 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,760 I'm GAIL and Clavio and we look forward to probably about an 13 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,120 hour of IU football talk and it's a busy night out there. 14 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,040 Eddie asking how was trick or treating? 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,000 It was delightful. The kids had a great time. 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,600 I live in the neighborhood that everybody drives to to bring 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,040 their kids to trick or treat and this is a long standing 18 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,040 Bloomington tradition. We're happy to be in the 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,240 neighborhood and it was great to see all the kids out there, 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:23,880 everybody enjoying themselves. We had one attendee who was 21 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,480 completely decked out in IU football gear. 22 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:30,880 And then my my good friend Paul Wright, who actually wore the 23 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,680 the signetti towels on either side of his of his shirt and was 24 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,280 going as a signetti towel. I had to tell him like, man, 25 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,600 those things are going for like 100 bucks a pop on on eBay. 26 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,120 You may want to keep them in better condition. 27 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,840 So anyway, it was a great time out there and we got some great 28 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,760 news during trick or treating. We'll talk about that here in 29 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,320 just a second. 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We had a ton of questions 109 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,760 already. Everybody's amped up. 110 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,320 Let's hit the big news first. Of course, this was news that 111 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,600 broke a little bit earlier on and this was exciting news I 112 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,640 think for everybody as we were largely in a holding pattern. 113 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:08,320 Not entirely sure, but the news out of the coaches show over 114 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,400 tonight in in Bloomington. Jack Ankeny tweeting this 115 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,960 earlier amongst others. Kurt Signetti said QB Curtis 116 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,360 Rourke will start Saturday at Michigan State, and that is a 117 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,320 huge load off the mind of a lot of people who were unsure about 118 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,520 Curtis Rourke. A lot of people, I think, 119 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,520 assumed the worst about the injury. 120 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,640 We had some debate in the comments section for our show on 121 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,400 Sunday about how long he'd be out, especially since we had 122 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,240 heard there'd been some surgery involved. 123 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:41,360 But we'd heard our medical sources here at Crimson Cast 124 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,040 Headquarters had heard that it wasn't that serious, it was more 125 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,280 stitching than anything else and that he was likely to play this 126 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:49,680 weekend. I'm glad that we were proven 127 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,840 correct on that. I'm just thrilled that we get a 128 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:54,600 chance to see and hear who the starting quarterback for IU is 129 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,760 ahead of time. That has not been something 130 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,800 we've been used to over the last six or seven seasons. 131 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,240 So nice to actually have that information in front of us. 132 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,160 And I'm excited, obviously, to have Curtis work under center. 133 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,920 No disrespect to Tavin Jackson, who I thought, you know, did a a 134 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,720 good job overall when you take everything into account in in 135 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,880 steering the ship and kind of managing the game against 136 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,800 Washington. But Curtis Rourke, I mean, just 137 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,120 got named I think to the Davey O'Brien top ten list for among 138 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,280 the best quarterbacks in the in the in the in college football. 139 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,720 This is a guy who's a game changer and especially on the 140 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,120 road in what is going to be Indiana's most hostile 141 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,840 environment that they've played in so far this season, having a 142 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,680 veteran quarterback who's not going to be rattled by that is 143 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,320 just terribly, terribly important. 144 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,200 So I think huge news that Curtis Rourke is going to be back in 145 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,280 action and we certainly are looking forward to seeing him in 146 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,200 action as Indiana goes into East Lansing. 147 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,600 Just going to be really fascinating to see how all this 148 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,280 all plays out. So as we head into the, the 149 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,840 preview section of the pod, we'll, we're going to tackle 150 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,560 several different things as we go through some of the questions 151 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,480 that you folks asked about and, and some of the things I know 152 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,400 you're interested in. We're going to talk through some 153 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,680 of the game planning stuff. We're going to talk through some 154 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,960 of the numbers that Taylor Lehman that and I normally would 155 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,160 go through on our preview podcast. 156 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,960 Taylor is doing what I would do if I was Taylor's age, which is 157 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,520 out enjoying Halloween like a normal human being, not sitting 158 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,920 in his room having already enjoyed Halloween because he's 159 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,800 ferrying kids around, which is which is what I that's, that's 160 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,000 been my role this evening. So I'm glad that Taylor's taking 161 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,640 the night out to to enjoy himself. 162 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,760 We're going to go through the numbers, talk through what to 163 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:40,159 expect on both sides of the ball, kind of an odd match up on 164 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:43,679 a number of levels. And we'll just kind of see what 165 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,720 happens with all of this is I think we're going to talk 166 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,080 ourselves into some thoughts about this upcoming game and and 167 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,600 what we're going to do. So we're going to jump into 168 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,640 things here in just a second as we go through a bunch of 169 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,560 different questions here. I'm kind of hunting as we get to 170 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:03,200 let's start with this one. Let's first of all, Matt Kubot 171 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,360 asks, are we heading to East Lansing this weekend? 172 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:11,240 Yes, we are leaving up for East Lansing pretty early, probably 173 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,640 about 83845 in the morning. Want to get up there? 174 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,160 We got I got a nice cadre of traveling companions going with 175 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,040 me. We're going to head up, settle 176 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,440 down, maybe watch the second-half of Penn State, Ohio 177 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,240 State, then get into the stadium. 178 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,360 Got tickets already. Still got to figure out parking. 179 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,120 But really looking forward. I this is, you know, I've been 180 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,160 covering I us for a long time going back to when I was a 181 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,520 student. This is one of like the two big 182 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,000 holes in my big 10 resume that I've never been to. 183 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,280 The other one being Madison, weirdly, and I haven't been to 184 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,240 Madison before, but excited to check out East Lansing, kind of 185 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,600 curious to see how that campus is put together, how the 186 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,600 stadium's put together. Should be a lot of fun. 187 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,560 I think as as we try to figure out what's going on with 188 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:56,440 everything there, I'm gonna jump right into some of the questions 189 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,040 that were asked first on on the YouTube channel and then we'll 190 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,360 jump back into the questions that we got on X earlier. 191 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,000 So Patrick asked. Feels like quite a few of the 192 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,760 betting pundits are pointing at this as a trap game moment. 193 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,160 I can't shake that feeling. Not expecting a crazy crowd, 194 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,240 just still waiting for a let down. 195 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,880 Tell me why I'm crazy and just a long time fan afraid to be 196 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,440 vulnerable. So look, I I'll say this. 197 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,040 I've talked with people around the program, around the athletic 198 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,280 department. I think everybody's got kind of 199 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,680 the same thought process that you've got Patrick. 200 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:33,080 And in fact, when I go back and think about how I evaluated this 201 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,120 season, this was one of the games I thought Indiana would 202 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,960 lose, right? Indiana losing 4 games At the 203 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,040 start of the of the season, when I made my predictions, I said we 204 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,760 were going to go 8 and four. And it was Nebraska thought 205 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,960 they'd lose to Nebraska, thought they'd lose to Washington, 206 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,640 thought they'd lose to Michigan State and thought they'd lose to 207 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,600 Ohio State. So, well, they beaten Nebraska 208 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,240 and they beaten Washington. And now we got this Michigan 209 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,480 State game and it's the Michigan State game is kind of an odd one 210 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,440 because this Michigan State team has had a season that you would 211 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,480 expect given the absolute upheaval that that roster went 212 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,240 through with Mel Tucker getting fired. 213 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,040 And and with just kind of that whole era coming to a close. 214 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,160 They've had some good moments, but they've also had a lot of 215 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,600 moments where they've looked like a team that's in 216 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,680 transition. And on the one hand, you know, 217 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:24,560 Michigan State is a team that when you think about how they 218 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:28,720 operate, they're, they're kind of like historically, they're 219 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,280 they're a very good team historically, but they are also 220 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:38,960 a team that is to some degree a, a slight like a like Indiana, if 221 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,960 they could be Michigan State would be very happy with where 222 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,120 they were at. Like you're, you know, they made 223 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,360 the college football play off. They, they get a slightly higher 224 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,240 caliber of recruit most of the time. 225 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,600 And they, they end up being in this situation where they have 226 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,680 these big boom seasons and then they kind of have bust seasons. 227 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:59,080 And this is kind of in the middle from Michigan State from 228 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,920 looking at their statistics, looking at what they've done. 229 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,840 If you look at what Michigan State's done on the season, it's 230 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,080 like this weird mix of impressive and not impressive. 231 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,120 Their first three weeks on the season, they beat Florida 232 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,080 Atlantic 16 to 10. They win at Maryland. 233 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,280 The game that I'm I'm I think probably speaks more to Maryland 234 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,160 and how weird of a team that is versus necessarily being 235 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,000 something about Michigan State. They blow out Prairie View and 236 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,680 then they lose three straight games, although, you know, they 237 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:26,160 were close in the game at Boston College, they only lost that by 238 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,000 four. They get blown out at home by 239 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,520 Ohio State, which whatever, And then they lose at Oregon 31 to 240 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,360 10. And that actually looks better 241 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:36,560 as we go through the season that they were able to stay that 242 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:40,520 close to Oregon. They did win at home versus 243 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,800 Iowa, 32 to 20, and that was an odd game. 244 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,200 And we'll kind of talk through why that game was so odd a 245 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,760 little bit later. And then they turn around last 246 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,680 weekend, they lose at Michigan and they really let Michigan get 247 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:52,800 under their skin in kind of a bizarre way. 248 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,160 And you know, it's this typical Michigan, Michigan State crap 249 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,120 that we always see. There's fights, there's guys 250 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,800 beating each other up and and Michigan wins. 251 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,760 That's that's kind of how their their whole trend line seems to 252 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,000 go with that series. So they come into the game, you 253 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,960 know, they're three and one at home and they're in a position 254 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,120 where they're looking at their defense and saying defense, 255 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,120 you're going to have to carry us because our offense just hasn't 256 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,880 been that impressive, only averaging 21 points per game. 257 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,240 And again, I mean, if you take their, as much as people have 258 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,160 talked about, you take the Western Illinois game out for 259 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,640 Indiana and and it drops their total points. 260 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,960 Indiana's don't drop that much. If you drop Western Illinois 261 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:39,560 out, you know, Michigan State on the season has scored 168 points 262 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:41,880 through eight games. If you take the Prairie View 263 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,640 game out, they've only scored 128 points through seven games. 264 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,680 So they haven't really been that impressive overall in terms of 265 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:49,920 their offense. And you looked at their 266 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,400 offensive output, 16 against Florida Atlantic, 27 against 267 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,560 Maryland, 19 against Boston College, 7 against Ohio State, 268 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:59,640 10 against Oregon, 32 against Iowa, 17 against Michigan. 269 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,840 So this is an offense that has struggled. 270 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:07,480 And so for me, a big key and and where I guess I'm a little less 271 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,480 concerned than I was at the start of the week. 272 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,320 To go back to Patrick's question about feeling vulnerable, it's 273 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,080 this idea that when you get right down to it, Michigan State 274 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,120 looks like they can be stymied a bit defensively. 275 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,760 And that's I think a key for Indiana since so much of what 276 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,880 Indiana does really relies on their defense at least keeping 277 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,640 the opposition down for a little bit early so that their offense 278 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,600 and can score points and get a lead out there. 279 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,040 So when we look through the, the overall statistics for this game 280 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,600 and the, and the win probability chart and all of that, the I'm 281 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,760 going to call up the bite sized Bison preview. 282 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,680 And if of course, if you're not subscribed to bite sized Bison, 283 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,880 I, I really don't know what you're doing at this point. 284 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,880 If you're an IU fan, you, you've got to check this out. 285 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,800 So I'm not sure how well you can see this. 286 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,640 I'm going to try to zoom in a little bit so you can see the 287 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:03,120 numbers a little bit better. Indiana, an 85% favorite in this 288 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,080 game. And this was, you know, this is 289 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,640 S&P Plus, which means essentially, it's not taking, 290 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,800 it's not a betting line. It's just a predictive line 291 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,520 based upon the resumes that these teams have done so far. 292 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,200 And and it's got Indiana winning 32 to 15, which kind of feeds 293 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,800 right into the narrative that we're talking about, which is 294 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,000 that Michigan State, I think can be anticipated to perhaps have 295 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,000 trouble scoring because Indiana's defense, while it's 296 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,320 not the best part of their game, could certainly feast a bit 297 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,080 against the Michigan State offense that has really 298 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,440 struggled in a bunch of key areas. 299 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,520 If you've not looked at these charts before, folks, and I 300 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,400 think most of you who are following us on on Crimson cast 301 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,200 have seen these couple of things I want to note first of all the 302 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,480 colors. I know that when we play 303 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,640 Michigan State, it's weird to have green be good. 304 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,120 But essentially with any chart, you know, the green, the purple 305 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,760 axis, the greener it is, the more, the better the number is 306 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,360 and the more purple it is, the worse. 307 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,320 And, and it works a little bit better than red and blue because 308 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,320 of color blindness issues, not with me, but with, with people 309 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,320 that have color blindness. So if you look at this, you can 310 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:06,920 kind of see just through the the pictures. 311 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,720 If you look at the Indiana defense versus the Michigan 312 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,960 State offense, which is down here on the lower level, you 313 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,800 know it, Michigan State's offense really struggles in EPA 314 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,400 for play. And then again, just to remind 315 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,200 you that's expected points added over the course of a game. 316 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,680 But on a per play basis, you can see Michigan State 90th in the 317 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,000 country. They have really struggled to 318 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:31,200 make a lot of winning plays. Their explosive play rate is 319 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,360 really low. Their their EPA per play, you 320 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,680 know, later on in the game is bad. 321 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,480 Their field position is bad. Their conversion rate is really 322 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,520 bad. The one thing they kind of do 323 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:46,400 well is run the ball, but even that is kind of Hanford by what 324 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,240 they don't do well elsewhere in their offense. 325 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,360 Meanwhile, Indiana's been pretty solid and you know, if you look 326 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,960 overall, you know, where Indiana's been really good is 327 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,200 they've managed to keep teams from converting on 3rd down. 328 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,640 They forced a lot of 4th downs through that process. 329 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,119 They managed to not allow opponents to get a, a, a huge 330 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,800 amount of success in terms of, of rushing the ball. 331 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,240 And you know, while they haven't been awesome against the pass in 332 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,800 terms of like EPA, they have been pretty awesome recently in 333 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,359 terms of generating turnovers. And I think that that is 334 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,160 certainly a big part of what Indiana's going to need to do in 335 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:27,599 this game on the road. As we look at Indiana's offense, 336 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,160 this is where Indiana can really make hay in this game. 337 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,680 And I think you know what, having Curtis work in there, 338 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,200 what that does, you look at that statistic for the for those of 339 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,080 you who are watching the video, Indiana is number one in passing 340 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,240 success in the country right now. 341 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,120 Like, I don't think that people in Indiana universe really 342 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:50,840 understand how awesome of an offense they're watching this 343 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,280 is. This is like a an offense that 344 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,120 is about as good as any offense we've seen over the last 25 or 345 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:58,880 30 years. Not just Indiana, but like in 346 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,400 the Big 10 and beyond. And having Curtis Rourke in 347 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,600 there makes all the difference because Rourke provides so much 348 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,000 sighting of plays before they happen. 349 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,000 He's able to get up there. He's able to to make changes to 350 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,120 the play calls and exploit things that are going on in the 351 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:17,080 defense. And I think for a Michigan State 352 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,640 defense that frankly has struggled the most against the 353 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,600 pass, there is a real good chance that Indiana could just 354 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,280 feast in the air in this game. You know, what I also think is 355 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,360 interesting is Indiana's one of the best teams in the country 356 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:32,280 and 3rd down success. Michigan State's one of the 357 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,520 worst in stopping third down success. 358 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,840 Indiana has not one of the most explosive offenses in the 359 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,680 country, but a pretty explosive offense. 360 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,920 Michigan State really struggles on defense to stop explosive 361 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,800 plays. And you, you take all these 362 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,240 things into account and there's just a lot to like. 363 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,720 I mean, Indiana has been great at generating turnovers. 364 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,480 Michigan State's been terrible at losing turnovers and you 365 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,680 know, that it though that's kind of a statistic that may not 366 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,400 necessarily carry over from game to game, but certainly on the 367 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,840 course of the season, it is nice to see that Indiana's able to do 368 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,040 what they need to do to take the ball away from their opponents. 369 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,000 Michigan State has been struggling to hold on to the 370 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,200 ball at times. So a lot of things going into 371 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,600 this game that favor Indiana. And yet, as Patrick notes, 372 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,800 there's a lot of nervousness about, you know, is this a trap 373 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,760 game for Indiana? And, and there are some things I 374 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,800 think that are noteworthy about the game where you're kind of 375 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,960 like scratching your head. I mean, one of them is something 376 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,440 I mentioned early on in this podcast, which is this is the 377 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,000 toughest environment Indiana's played in. 378 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,960 If you think about the two Rd. games they've played, I almost 379 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,600 hesitate to call them Rd. games. The game at the Rose Bowl, there 380 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,720 were plenty of IU fans in the stands making a lot of noise. 381 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:46,600 The UCLA fans weren't really that into the game, and they got 382 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,080 progressively less into the game. 383 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:51,160 And that by the end, it was just like IU fans cheering in the 384 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,720 stands. It was a really cool scene. 385 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,800 Northwestern, I mean, it was, I would say 5050 IU fans, if not 386 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,200 more so. And it was a tiny stadium that 387 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,680 didn't have a lot of noise going on. 388 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,680 Cool stadium, but a tiny one. This is different. 389 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,600 And you know, Michigan State in the game versus Iowa that they 390 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,520 played a couple weeks ago, they got almost a sell out of 69,000 391 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,920 fans there. Now, we do know a lot of Indiana 392 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,080 fans that are going to the game, but I think what's worth noting 393 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,520 is like this is the biggest and livest crowd Indiana's probably 394 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,960 gonna face up to this point. Now there was a question that 395 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,400 came in. From from Kenji, do I think a 396 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,560 four and four Spartan team will be you still roaring or Spartan 397 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,200 Stadium will be you still roaring or somewhat depleted? 398 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,440 I mean, I think it could be kind of 5050. 399 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,400 It's weird because this is a rivalry game theoretically, and 400 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,920 yet it's not really. I mean, there's a trophy, the 401 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,000 old Brass Splatoon, which I think all of you are familiar 402 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,880 with. But even though it's technically 403 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,240 a rivalry game, I've never really gotten a finger on the 404 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,760 pulse of how much these two teams really care about playing 405 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,640 each other. And what I think is gonna be 406 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,040 interesting is that, you know, Michigan State just played what 407 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,440 they consider their biggest rival in Michigan and they lost. 408 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,040 And there was a there were fights and there was punishments 409 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,720 and all that. And it, it didn't go well for 410 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,520 them, let's put it that way. And so I do wonder if they come 411 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,360 out a bit flat having just lost that game. 412 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:14,520 They shouldn't because, you know, Michigan State still does 413 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,520 have a chance to make a bowl at 4:00 and 4:00. 414 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,520 I think they'll probably get there because, you know, they 415 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,440 got Indiana at home, they're at Illinois, they've got Purdue at 416 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,640 home, They've got Rutgers at home. 417 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,720 You would think that they would probably win those last two 418 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,480 games to get to 6:00 and 6:00. But this would be a pivotal game 419 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,240 for them in terms of getting into much better position to 420 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,560 make a bowl. So I do think Michigan State is 421 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,640 probably going to have some energy, at least at the start of 422 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,800 the game. Spartan Stadium will be behind 423 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,120 their team, but this is where Indiana, if they can step on 424 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,280 them early, I think can kill that momentum off. 425 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,160 And especially if there's a decent number of IU fans going 426 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,840 up to the game, you know, maybe that gives Indiana some 427 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,760 additional momentum that they wouldn't have otherwise. 428 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,360 So that's one thing I think worth keeping in mind. 429 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:56,880 And it's not just a Michigan State thing. 430 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,240 It's also an Indiana thing. Like how effectively can Indiana 431 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,480 deal with an environment like this? 432 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,120 You know, we've seen this Indiana team do so well in 433 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,400 managing expectations, in managing how they are. 434 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,160 Their feel is in the game and not getting too down with 435 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,960 things. But the flip side of that is 436 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,720 there's always the chance that there's some kind of adversity. 437 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,320 There's always the chance that you're going to find yourself in 438 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,200 a position where it's like, OK, you know, we're we're, we 439 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,960 weren't used to this and we weren't ready for it. 440 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,360 It'll be the first time this season, I think that we see that 441 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:34,400 if it were to happen, 'cause every time Indiana's been 442 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,280 tested, they've really managed to answer back. 443 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,040 And I mean, third quarter against UCLA or you know, the, 444 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,760 the really the beginning of the third quarter, middle part of 445 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,320 the third quarter against Maryland. 446 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,400 You know, we, we saw it a little bit in the Northwestern game 447 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,600 where they got tested in the third quarter and early into the 448 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,800 fourth quarter. And they responded 449 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,280 magnificently. So much of what Indiana's done 450 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,240 has been get off to good starts. I do wonder how they manage this 451 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,240 kind of a situation because Michigan State is, you know, I 452 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,160 mean, this, this is a game that they're going to be marked on 453 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,600 their calendar. It's like we got a chance to 454 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:09,440 knock off a top 15 opponent at home and a game that could 455 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,120 completely reframe our season. Indiana is kind of in this weird 456 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:18,400 spot where this is the least important of the four games 457 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,960 Indiana's going to have left in terms of what you would 458 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,240 consider, you know, from a rivalry perspective or from an 459 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,040 attainment perspective. What I mean by that is, you 460 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,040 know, think about the next game. You got Michigan at home. 461 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:30,360 You know, big brand. Everybody can get up from 462 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:32,640 Michigan. You got that game at Ohio State, 463 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,360 which people have been talking about for two weeks. 464 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:36,240 They're going to be talking about it for two more weeks. 465 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,920 That game is so critical for the Big 10 title race and so many 466 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,120 other things. And of course, Purdue, the old 467 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,480 Oaken Bucket game, Michigan State, can, you know, that's one 468 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,800 of those games that folds between the the cushions or the 469 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,960 couch. I don't know that Kurt Signeti's 470 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,880 going to let that happen, that he's been, you know, he and his 471 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,360 staff have done such a good job of maintaining their approach 472 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,400 and their systematic nature. I'm not that worried about it 473 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,000 because I have faith. But it's not out of the question 474 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,520 that you're going to have one of those situations, you know, 475 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,560 where this Indiana team walks into a situation that they 476 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,520 haven't experienced before. And I do think that that's 477 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,280 something to keep an eye on. And you know, Patrick kind of, 478 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,920 you know, notes a couple of things here. 479 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,600 Just looked on Sea Geek, you can get middle of the field pretty 480 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,800 low for $70.00, which that's interesting. 481 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,880 But also, I think, and this is a a good point, part of the 482 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,680 nervousness is also realizing that IU is beating the few 483 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,200 Sparty teams ranked in the teens with mediocre teams. 484 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,160 This game produces unexpected results from time to time. 485 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,080 That's a good point. It is interesting. 486 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,200 Normally when Indiana beats Michigan State, at least 487 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,720 recently, they're ranked, then Indiana beats them, then, then 488 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,880 they their season falls apart. Remember that happened in 2016 489 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,600 that that Brass brass platoon game, really the game that to to 490 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,120 some degree got, you know, Indiana bowl eligibility. 491 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,040 I mean, it was very, very early in the season, obviously, but 492 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,920 that was a game what Indiana wasn't expected to win that year 493 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,280 and they won it with that Michigan State team ended up 494 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,920 being terrible. I think they finished like 3:00 495 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,920 and 9:00 in the conference. So it's a, it's a weird series 496 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,080 like that. And I think Patrick makes a good 497 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,680 point. I had, I didn't, I had forgotten 498 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,600 this until I started doing the prep for the game. 499 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,880 Indiana is on A2 game-winning streak at Spartan Stadium, which 500 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,080 is tremendously unusual in this series history. 501 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:27,360 Indiana's only won I think 16 times out of the 67 games total 502 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,120 that Indiana and Michigan State have played. 503 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,840 So, you know, the fact that Indiana's won, you know, 2 I 504 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,000 think out of the last three and two in a row at Spartan Stadium 505 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,240 is just really odd as far as the series history is concerned. 506 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,920 So we'll, you know, we'll see how things go with all of that. 507 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:48,480 But but ultimately, as we as we go through some of the other 508 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,200 items worth noting in this one, you know, the big news, of 509 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:59,120 course, being Curtis Rourke and the way that Curtis Rourke has 510 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,240 meant so much to this team in terms of passing. 511 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,440 Ultimately, when you're when you're when you're going through 512 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,560 the the way that Indiana has approached their offense, it's 513 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,440 been such a nice balance. And it was interesting how much 514 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,160 Indiana essentially focused on the running game in that game 515 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,440 last week against Washington. They kind of had to because 516 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,000 Washington was really doing a good job of dialing in against 517 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,880 the the the various things Indiana was trying to try in the 518 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,640 passing game. And a lot of it was Indiana not 519 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,120 hitting receivers. I mean, you had so many 520 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:36,240 receivers catch one or two balls last week because Indiana just, 521 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,520 they weren't able to consistently target anybody. 522 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,600 I've been going back and watching bits and pieces of that 523 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,400 game and one of the things I noticed that there are there's 524 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,600 really a lot of moments where one of three things happens. 525 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,760 Either Washington does a good job of sniffing out the play 526 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,000 ahead of time or two you just get drops. 527 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,240 But there were several plays where Taven Jackson just didn't 528 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,040 put the ball on the numbers and a lot of that was like Rourke's 529 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,600 best throws in that game were generally on sit down routes. 530 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,440 They were on out routes. They were on routes where the 531 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,160 receiver was not moving away from him. 532 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,640 He was struggling a lot with anything down the field or 533 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,120 anything where the receiver was moving away from the offensive 534 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,680 or from the line of scrimmage. Rourke doesn't have that 535 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,560 problem. Rourke's got tremendous touch 536 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,720 and you know, first of all, new life. 537 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,040 Thank you very much. Appreciate that. 538 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,160 I don't know. I mean, it's interesting you say 539 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,360 that they're good against the pass because some numbers say 540 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,520 they're good against the pass, but their overall defensive 541 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,880 success against the pass in terms of EPA is poor. 542 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,040 It's a really odd sort of of thing. 543 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,520 And and some of it ends up coming down to the the the types 544 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,960 of plays that they've faced against the pass. 545 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,960 Michigan State has not allowed that many yards against the 546 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:51,960 pass, 14190 yards passing allowed on the season, which is 547 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,960 pretty good. But when you actually break down 548 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,680 the individual numbers defensively, what you find is 549 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,440 that a a lot of what Michigan State has allowed over the 550 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,320 course of the season is you know, when there have been 551 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,280 explosive plays, they they tend to to struggle against those or 552 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,320 EPA laden plays. But there have been a lot of 553 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,080 those instances. And this is one of those things 554 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,880 where as we think about Michigan State, we think about the way 555 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,520 they're going to attack things. When we think about the teams 556 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,000 that they played so far, you know, Oregon was able to exploit 557 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,760 some things in the in, in the passing game over the course of 558 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,400 the of the game. You look at the the the numbers 559 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:32,480 there, Oregon 264 yards in the air, 2 touchdowns, 21 to 34. 560 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,800 So they had about a 62% completion percentage. 561 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,280 Ohio State had one of their better games through the air 562 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,960 against Michigan State, 65% completion percentage, 3 563 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,120 touchdowns, 1 interception in that game and about 300 yards 564 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,160 total in passing. The last couple of games they've 565 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,800 faced offenses that don't like to throw the ball that much. 566 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,560 Oh, Iowa doesn't like to throw the ball. 567 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,480 Iowa only threw the ball for 150 yards. 568 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,720 Michigan only threw the ball for 146 yards, but did get 2 569 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,000 touchdowns through the air. So what's what's really going to 570 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:08,240 be fascinating as far as how Indiana approaches this in the 571 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,160 passing game. Indiana loves to throw the ball. 572 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,520 I think Indiana would love to try to rack up 300 yards in 573 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,800 passing against this Michigan State team if they could. 574 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,960 And you know, in talking with Taylor ahead of time, I'm really 575 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,000 he's he seems to be on board with the idea that that might be 576 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,400 something that Indiana's trying to do. 577 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,440 So we will see what happens with that. 578 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,360 But I think it's worth keeping an eye on as we kind of go 579 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,440 through some of the other questions and things that we've 580 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,520 got going on here in the chat. Lot of great comments and 581 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,400 questions here. I want to get to a couple from, 582 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,960 from Twitter earlier on. So Indiana edits asked, do we 583 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,400 think Rourke will look like he has looked all season? 584 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,960 Probably not. I mean, I, I have a hard time 585 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,600 believing Rourke's going to be at 100%. 586 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,880 Rourke, I'm guessing is probably going to be closer to 80 to 85%. 587 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,240 I think they'll take it a little bit easy. 588 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,800 Kurt Zignetti sounded really excited, relatively speaking, 589 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,840 that you know, Rourke has gone through his entire week of 590 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,080 progression. Rourke went through all of his, 591 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,320 his pre game prep last week, didn't play obviously, but they 592 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,120 wanted to keep him fresh mentally. 593 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,880 So I like Cignetti's optimism, but I just find it hard to 594 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,160 believe that after the injury that Rourke suffered that you're 595 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,960 going to have full grip of the ball, you're going to be totally 596 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,040 comfortable throwing out there. So I would imagine that we'll 597 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,640 see a slightly toned down version of this with Rourke, but 598 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,520 that's fine. I'd rather see him out there at 599 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,240 80% and rounding back into shape. 600 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,280 And we'll just kind of have to see what goes with all of that. 601 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,320 But I do expect Rourke will play a really good game. 602 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,960 And I think it just gives the Michigan State defense that much 603 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,360 more to have to focus on because we know Rourke can make those 604 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,800 throws most of the time. I am curious to see if they try 605 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,120 to test him early, try to send some pressure on the idea that 606 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,520 he may not be able to make the throws that we've seen him make 607 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,440 earlier on in the year. But I would bet that Rourke, if 608 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,400 he's going to go out there and start, has shown in practice 609 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,560 that he is going to be able to make those throws. 610 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,000 And that is certainly something to keep an eye on as we kind of 611 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,000 go through some of the other questions that were asked. 612 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,480 So Jordan Bailey notes one comment, one question, one. 613 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,960 I'll be attending the game on Saturday and cannot wait to be 614 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,960 obnoxiously pro IU and a sea of daunted Sparty fans. 615 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,600 I I'll applaud that. Absolutely, Jordan. 616 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,560 And then the question in, in, in Jordan's tweet with Rourke back, 617 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,840 his starting quarterback, does IU win by 1,000,000 points or 1 618 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,080 billion points? I, I love that. 619 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,680 That's great. That always reminds me of that 620 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,960 Silver Spoons episode where Ricky Schrader's character gets 621 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,680 like starts gambling with a bookie and starts using like a 622 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,440 computer program to analyze games and tries to talk his 623 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,520 friends into The Jets beating the Colts by 100 points. 624 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,360 That's essentially, I think the the same energy of the question 625 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,000 that Jordan asked there. Well, we'll get to our 626 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,280 prediction at the end, but I appreciate the question 627 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,920 nonetheless there, Jordan. Thank you. 628 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,280 As we wind through some of the questions that we're getting 629 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:09,280 here on Stream Yard, does Rourke playing versus Michigan State 630 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,240 give you any pause in terms of rushing it? 631 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,240 Trust the staff and Rourke, just curious on your thoughts. 632 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,600 So basically the same thing I was just talking about. 633 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,880 This is from balcony seats. Thank you. 634 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,200 Eric. I don't think they're rushing 635 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,000 him. I really don't. 636 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,280 I mean, I, I, I have to think that this staff believes that 637 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,280 they could put Tavin Jackson out there, design A game plan around 638 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,040 and give him an extra week to prepare against a less physical 639 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,400 defense, a less athletic defense than what Washington threw at 640 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,840 him and feel like they could probably come away with it. 641 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,520 I, but we talked about this when Rorick suffered the injury 642 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,480 initially. It's like you don't mess around 643 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,960 with Rd. games in the big 10. You know, we, we've talked a bit 644 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,240 in the history of this podcast about Indiana and its struggles 645 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,040 in in the road and, and I just want to note that, you know, the 646 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,720 Indiana's won on the road twice in the Big 10 this year against 647 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:01,760 UCLA and against Northwestern. Prior to that, between the the 648 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,040 2021 season and and this year, Indiana won one total Rd. game. 649 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,000 Now it was at Michigan State, but you know, Indiana winning on 650 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,840 the road just in general doesn't happen that often. 651 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,120 And, you know, famously between what 2002 and 2010, Indiana won 652 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,920 two total Rd. games in the Big 10. 653 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,760 So I, I just think it's less about rushing and more like, if 654 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,760 your quarterback's kind of close to going, don't trifle with it. 655 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,520 Like put the quarterback back out there, put your starter out 656 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,040 there. You need absolutely to get, you 657 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,440 know, everybody firing at at top efficiency. 658 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,280 You can't you don't want to mess around with a situation where 659 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,640 you could have played them but you didn't. 660 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,840 Yes, you get behind. Now the offense is in turmoil 661 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,760 and now you got to try to put the starter back in and he's got 662 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,720 to try to jump start something. If you can play him, just play 663 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,120 him. And I think that that's that's 664 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,320 going to be an interesting thing to keep an eye on, obviously. 665 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,400 But I I don't think they're rushing him back. 666 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,560 Tony noted something that I forgot earlier, which is 667 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,440 Michigan State is going to be missing, you know, one of their 668 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,800 key players for a targeting call from the Michigan game. 669 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,120 So that there's a lot of little bits and pieces in this game, 670 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,360 but I think a lot of it really comes down to focus. 671 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,360 And you know, Jacob notes, just my opinion. 672 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,880 I don't think we see a game where IU hasn't been focused. 673 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,159 Signetti's given us no reason to think the Hoosiers won't be 674 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,080 ready and focused. And that is true. 675 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,120 And again, it's one of those things where I think this staff 676 00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,880 and this team have earned the trust of. 677 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,719 We think that they know what they're doing. 678 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,120 We think that they're going to be able to go in this 679 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,960 environment and do what they need to do and not become 680 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,760 overwhelmed by whatever they're facing. 681 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,360 It's tough on the road in the Big 10. 682 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,639 I mean, you know it, it's a it's hard to win on the road in the 683 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,080 Big 10, but it's not impossible. The teams that generally 684 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,040 struggle are the ones that are uncertain about what they're 685 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,600 doing. And, and certainly, I think 686 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,159 certainty has been one of the hallmarks so far of what this 687 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,560 Indiana team has done. It's funny, even on shutdown 688 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,040 full cast this past week, if you listen to that breakdown, I 689 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,480 think around the 28 minute mark, they spent like 4 minutes 690 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,440 talking about how well Indiana has played, how consistently 691 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,320 they played. And I think it was, I think it 692 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,640 was either Ryan Nanny or Jason Kirk talked about how, you know, 693 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,280 this team, they had a bad interception at the beginning of 694 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,800 the second-half against Washington. 695 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,440 And they were just like, OK, well, that didn't go the way we 696 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,360 thought it would. So we'll just keep going and 697 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,640 we'll figure it out down the line. 698 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,400 That's really been the mentality of this IU team and I think that 699 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,680 ties right into what Jacob said It is. 700 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,280 It is going to be interesting to see how they deal with it. 701 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,960 But I am confident based upon what we've seen overall on the 702 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,520 season that IU is going to be able to manage the situation and 703 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,880 not put themselves in a position where they're they're, you know, 704 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,960 daunted to, to use a phrase by the crowd or by what Michigan 705 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,000 State's doing. I do think it's going to be 706 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,840 really interesting as far as how IU comes out in this game. 707 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:02,080 You know, the this, this, the fact that they haven't been 708 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,640 scored upon in the first quarter and the fact that they haven't 709 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,440 trailed yet has almost become part of the mythology of this 710 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,000 team. It's it's talked about at every 711 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,520 turn. I think it probably is in the 712 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,560 back of of some of their opponents heads. 713 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,680 It's like you get down 7 nothing to this IU team and it's like, 714 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,960 uh oh, here we go again and again, like I'm shut down full 715 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,960 cast. They were talking about how, you 716 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,160 know, it's not like Indiana's just using a great quarter here 717 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,280 or there to push out to a big margin. 718 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,840 I think the the analogy they used on on the full cast was 719 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,000 it's like they just, they just keep depositing money in the 720 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,480 bank every drive or every other drive and it eventually it just 721 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,400 builds up to the point where you can't do anything about it. 722 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,520 So I am really fascinated to see can Indiana make that same kind 723 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,320 of a start early on in this game? 724 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,000 And, you know, I think they've got a a good chance to do it. 725 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,320 Obviously, you never know coin tosses and, and, you know, the 726 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,760 teams going and getting the ball first or things like that. 727 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,600 And we've even seen Indiana not particularly do well offensively 728 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,200 early on in games. It's just that their defense 729 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,120 then is able to bail them out and give them time so that they 730 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,200 can get on the board and score ahead of their opposition. 731 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,840 You know, I would imagine something similar probably goes 732 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,120 on in this one. If Indiana's gonna hit their 733 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,040 maximum level of success. That has been a key part of the, 734 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,720 the overall mentality shift I think with this IU team. 735 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,560 And it's allowed them to have an even greater wellspring of 736 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,040 confidence as they go through each individual game. 737 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,120 And it's interesting 'cause like you go through Michigan State 738 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,320 schedule, you know, they were able, they got up to to a 16 739 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,120 nothing lead against Florida Atlantic. 740 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,120 You know, so they got out of the gate strong there. 741 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,800 They did not take the lead early against Maryland, but they did 742 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,920 take the lead by halftime. And they know they, even though 743 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,120 they fell behind in the third quarter, I think that gave them 744 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,800 the belief to continue on there. You know, they, they've had, 745 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,840 they've had some games. You know, I think that the game 746 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,200 that's the most interesting with them is the Iowa game where 747 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,560 there was a field goal fest. They end up leading 12 nothing 748 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,720 at half. They let Iowa back in the game 749 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:00,400 like Iowa got back to within five. 750 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,400 It was 1914 at the end of the third quarter and then it was 25 751 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,680 to 20 in, you know, with about halfway to go in the fourth 752 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,680 quarter. But Michigan State was able to 753 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,920 kind of stabilize and put themselves in a position where 754 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,440 they carried it all the way through to the end. 755 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,520 So I, I do, I, I think just the mentality of Indiana's important 756 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,160 here because of how it might affect Michigan State's 757 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,520 mentality and what they're able to do in terms of trying to 758 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,440 answer what Indiana's doing. And this is it's an interesting 759 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,960 spot for IU to be in because it's, you know, it's always felt 760 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,520 like going on the road in the Big 10, especially playing teams 761 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,880 like Michigan State or Penn State, like, you know, teams 762 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,640 that are kind of in, in that tier right below Michigan and 763 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,360 Ohio State. It's always felt like Indiana's 764 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,800 had to be the counter puncher. They've had to be the ones 765 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,360 answering whatever the opposing team is doing. 766 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,120 And that hasn't been the way that it's gone all season this 767 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,360 year. So it's a hard thing for I think 768 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,600 a lot of fans, myself included, to get your hair or your head 769 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,920 wrapped around. That's going to be a really 770 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,680 interesting thing watching Indiana be the team that the 771 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,320 other team is trying to counter. Tom asked. 772 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,480 Given Ms. us up and down pass coverage, do we get Sarat and 773 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,440 and Horton off the schneid in this game? 774 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,800 I don't know if they're necessarily on the schneid or, 775 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,240 you know, I think a lot of it is really the nature of the last 776 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:20,080 game and the fact that Indiana didn't necessarily need to use 777 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,840 either of those guys. You know, I also think if you 778 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,920 look at the way that Indiana has changed their approach in the 779 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,200 passing game, it's really been Indiana has done a great job of 780 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,840 taking what's been given to them. 781 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,520 And, you know, you look at Elijah Serrat leading, I think 782 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,840 he's leading the team in receptions. 783 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,200 Yeah, 33 receptions so far on the season. 784 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,680 And, you know, he had two great games in a row in the Maryland 785 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,960 game, where he caught 7 balls for 128 yards and a touchdown. 786 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,200 He's caught 7 for 135 at Northwestern, but then three 787 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,640 catches against Nebraska and one catch against Washington. 788 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,440 Now, is that him having bad games or is that the opposition 789 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,000 really keying on him? You know, you think about the, 790 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,840 the the. Passes that he caught in that 791 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,240 Nebraska game, not a lot over the middle, a lot of stuff on 792 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,920 the sideline, like a lot of stuff that was basically the 793 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,520 opposite of what they did against Northwestern. 794 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,200 But I think a lot of that was dictated by the coverages and 795 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,280 the fact that covering him has become a priority with Horton. 796 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,560 You know, Horton's such a fascinating figure. 797 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,640 You know, he's only caught 15 balls on the season and he's 798 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,560 actually over the last two weeks, this was the first two 799 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,680 weeks in a row where he had more than one reception back-to-back. 800 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,520 He had four against Nebraska, not for very many yards. 801 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,240 And then he had two against Washington prior to that, like 802 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:42,280 go back like he had that UCLA game where he caught 4 for 31. 803 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,480 But he's been more of a of a threat than an actual weapon in 804 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,280 the passing game because he gets used so much in the running 805 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,800 game. And and so they just, they seem 806 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,160 to just mix him in right when they need to. 807 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,520 To me, you know, when I think about this game, I'm really 808 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,440 fascinated to see Omar Cooper Junior continue his evolution 809 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,480 because he has become really a home run hitter in terms of the 810 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,040 type of guy you would throw the ball to. 811 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,800 You look at what he's done in terms of average yards per catch 812 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:17,920 in the last four games, 21 yards per catch against Maryland, 23 813 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,320 1/2 yards a catch against Northwestern, and then only one 814 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,840 catch in the Nebraska game, but it was 36 yards and it was a 815 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,400 really great catch. And then of course, that 42 yard 816 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,240 touchdown reception that he had against Washington. 817 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,840 So, you know, Indiana has almost allowed the opposition to to 818 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,120 take out Sarat and Cooper in terms of, OK, we're not going to 819 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,400 target them 8 or 9 * a game because they they're happy to 820 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,920 throw the ball to Miles Price or Miles Cross or Keyshawn 821 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,200 Williams. And I think that that will be 822 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,840 probably more consistently what we see in this game, depending 823 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,160 on which what Michigan State does. 824 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,920 If Michigan State like is like, we got to go and stop the run. 825 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,200 That opens up the passing game a little bit more. 826 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,840 And that will be, I think, interesting to see how all that 827 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,960 plays out. Let's let's let's get some other 828 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,080 comments here. DC says, I just like seeing how 829 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,520 Sega has the look of straight killer instinct on the sidelines 830 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,680 24/7 no matter what's happening. I mean, to me, that is such a 831 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,800 key element of Indiana being good, not just good, but like 832 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,960 really good this year. It is this and we, we know it. 833 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,680 We've seen it with Saban, you know, we see it with other great 834 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,320 coaches. It is this striving for 835 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,280 perfection and getting that into your team's head and not 836 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:34,320 settling for less than perfect. And that is a very unusual thing 837 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,880 as far as Indiana football's concerned. 838 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,320 Historically, that is, that has not been the expectation by and 839 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,720 large that we've seen come from coaching Staffs. 840 00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,520 They may say that, but the proof really does seem to be in the 841 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,360 pudding. And yeah, Signetti, I mean, he's 842 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,640 playing the role out there. You know, he's standing on the 843 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,960 sidelines, He's not smiling. He's he's there, he's doing 844 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,520 business. And he expressed his team to do 845 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,240 business. And I that I do think that stuff 846 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,840 matters. I mean, it was always, you know, 847 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,320 like Kevin Wilson had, you know, was, was didn't look like that 848 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,720 on the sidelines and didn't act that way. 849 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,480 He was volatile at times he was, or he was passive. 850 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,400 I mean, he was, he was kind of a all over the place. 851 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,440 You know, Alan was always like, you know, jumping up and down 852 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,000 and going nuts. And we talked about it on the 853 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,480 show a lot. It's like, well, that's great 854 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,560 when your team's doing well, but if that's your role model in 855 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,600 terms of behaviour, emotion can't last for three hours. 856 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,360 It it doesn't last through bad plays. 857 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,120 Like when that gets deflated, it can really hurt. 858 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,640 And I think we saw that a lot out of Allana's teams towards 859 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,280 the tail end. And I and I like the rock like 860 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,600 status that Signetti has on the sideline where he is all 861 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,080 business. He expects his team to be all 862 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,160 business. I think. 863 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,320 I mean, it's worked so well at home and it worked at 864 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,840 Northwestern. This game to me is where it's 865 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,760 going to matter the most because it is intimidating to have 866 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,440 70,000 fans screaming at you. And Michigan State fans are good 867 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,080 football fans. They know what they need to do 868 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,960 and if their team's in it at all, you know you're going to 869 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,360 want Signeti over there providing a calm demeanor, a 870 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,000 stern demeanor, a let's get to business demeanor. 871 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,640 I think that helps Indiana kind of deal with the situation. 872 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,680 Patrick talked about talent or roster. 873 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,520 It's interesting to hear more of those national pundits 874 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,880 referencing I us lack of talent compared to other programs. 875 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,480 At what point does this get disproven? 876 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:25,440 So this is one of those things that I think sometimes gets 877 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:31,280 missed in football, especially college football, because of the 878 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,080 way that football has played out over the course of the last 879 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:41,440 several years, is the idea that you have to have a bunch of blue 880 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,640 chippers in order to be a successful team. 881 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:49,360 And I do think that ultimately what we end up getting with this 882 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:55,400 IU team that's so unusual is the idea that ultimately you're 883 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,080 you're dealing with a bunch of cast offs to some degree, or 884 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,720 guys who were at lower levels who have come up to this level. 885 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,240 Yeah. So you got all these JMU 886 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,200 transfers, many of whom were lightly recruited. 887 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,240 Some of them weren't even recruited by FBS schools or 888 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:10,000 didn't go to FBS schools initially transferred into JMU. 889 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:15,080 You've got guys that were at ACC schools like Wake Forest or or 890 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,360 North Carolina or guys that were at Texas Tech, like not top of 891 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,680 the of the Heat programs. But what Kurt Signetti has 892 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,320 emphasized over and over again, even with Curtis Roark, is like, 893 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,000 we want guys with experience. We want guys that have played a 894 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,520 lot. We want guys that have won. 895 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,880 We want guys who understand what it's like to be part of a 896 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,560 winning team. And I think this is where the 897 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,040 talent on the roster, if you look at it from a star rating 898 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,120 perspective, yeah. I mean, the pundits are right. 899 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,920 This is not a very talented roster if you take the 900 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,360 recruiting rankings as your sole arbiter of talent. 901 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,680 But what Indiana has managed to do is take a bunch of pieces who 902 00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:53,760 I think individually are are good football players, but mold 903 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,080 them into a unit that's, you know, if you'll pardon the the 904 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,720 the cliche greater than the sum of its parts. 905 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:05,280 But I think that the experience that Indiana really favored in 906 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,920 the transfer portal played a huge role in that because what 907 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,560 it allowed was Kurt Zignetti and his staff to say, all right, 908 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,880 guys, you know what you should do now we want to see you go do 909 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,520 it consistently. And that can be hard to do with 910 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,520 younger players. And I think, you know, I mean, 911 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,120 with a couple of the players that transferred mid season or 912 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,280 never put themselves into the transfer portal mid season, I 913 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,040 think you were seeing them struggle with that kind of a 914 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,240 transition. And and some of those were the 915 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,400 most talented players that Indiana had on the roster. 916 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,160 If you're focusing on the star numbers. 917 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,000 But if you're focusing on accomplishment, if you're 918 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,120 focusing on what have you accomplished in college football 919 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,240 and how does that play in? I don't think that there's a 920 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:46,720 reason why, at least with what Indiana's done so far, they 921 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,600 wouldn't be able to compete. And certainly pundits, you know, 922 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,120 you're used to looking at SEC rosters that are stocked with 923 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,440 all of his talent OR you're used to looking at Ohio State. 924 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,760 And, and look, there's, there's a lot to be said and you know, 925 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,440 there's plenty of research on this. 926 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,320 There's a certain number of blue chippers, a certain number of 927 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,560 five and four stars that you have to have in a normal 928 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,600 environment to be able to win at a high level. 929 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,920 And I think that a lot of the questions around the talent with 930 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,080 IU have have centered around this idea that, well, they 931 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,160 really don't have that much athletic talent if you look at 932 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,760 how we judge athletic talent. And yet they've got guys that 933 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,240 can make plays. And so I really think it's a 934 00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:24,600 fascinating thing. I think we're going to be 935 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,640 studying this season for a long time, maybe as an outlier, but 936 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,000 this is what the transfer portal can get you if you pick the 937 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,800 right guys. And I think that that's the key. 938 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,200 It's like Indiana, they spent a decent amount of money in NIL, 939 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,120 but they spent it smartly. And it wasn't just let's go for 940 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,840 the highest rated guy available. It's let's get the guy who's, A, 941 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,440 got the best level of experience and B, fits into what we're 942 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,840 trying to do. We had no idea what they were 943 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,240 trying to do. We could have obviously derived 944 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,040 some of that from what James Madison did in the past few 945 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,080 seasons, but we didn't know how the players that they brought in 946 00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,520 in the transfer portal were going to fit. 947 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,160 And yet they all seem to fit really well. 948 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,560 And so that's where the talent argument is a really interesting 949 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,640 one because at the end of the day, when you get right down to 950 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,400 it, it's about execution, it's about belief, it's about 951 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,360 confidence. And whatever this team lacks in 952 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,480 four-star or five star talent, they really don't lack the 953 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,560 confidence and the execution ability. 954 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,960 And that is that's where you want to be at this point. 955 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,800 And that's where you can beat more talented teams. 956 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,120 I mean, Washington by rankings of recruits as a more talented 957 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,640 team, Nebraska, far more talented team, and yet Indiana 958 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,680 was able to clean both of their clocks. 959 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:38,400 So I think that's a really interesting thing to think 960 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,200 about. We did have a question Patrick 961 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,640 asked earlier. What's the pour? 962 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,760 I, I did want to mention this. This is actually the alpha 963 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,840 bourbon, which is a really, really good tasting bourbon. 964 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:55,960 This is, this is a, a Starlight distillery special and available 965 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,880 here in in B town at some of the big Reds. 966 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,720 So if you haven't, if you haven't had this before, it's 967 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,320 it's good stuff. Enjoying it with the podcast. 968 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,960 It's, it's quite enjoyable. A lot of other comments have 969 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,440 flooded in here and I think New Life said guys are the chip on 970 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,880 their shoulder. That's a big part of it too. 971 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,240 And I think it's weird because like this doesn't work in 972 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:17,880 basketball. You you, you know, there are 973 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,560 hard limits, I think on what you can accomplish with a group of 974 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,760 scrappy underdogs that have a chip on their shoulder in 975 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,720 basketball. But in football, because of the 976 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,680 collective nature of the game, if you give them the right 977 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,280 coaching, if you have the right preparation, if you are able to 978 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,160 study film, well, you can you can really use that to your 979 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,440 advantage. I mean, I mean, what about this 980 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,240 offensive line? You know, there was that stat 981 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,360 that came out earlier today. I want to, I want to call this 982 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,880 up because this is it's truly nuts to think about the this 983 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,760 being true. You know, IU didn't have a 984 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,360 tackle for loss or a sack allowed in the whole game 985 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,840 against Washington, which I think the the graphic said it 986 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,600 was the first time since 2013 that that occurred, which is 987 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,000 nuts. I mean, that's like that's 988 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,720 crazy. And especially an offensive line 989 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:11,200 that a lot of people thought was gonna be the the weak at link in 990 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,960 in this season. Let me I'm gonna call the 991 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,200 graphic up 'cause it's it's a great graphic. 992 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,080 I love the fact that IU Cuban Center is doing this stuff. 993 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,920 Let me let me just put this up on the screen for those of you 994 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,120 who are watching. There it is 0 tackles for loss 995 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,480 allowed in the game for the first time since 2013. 996 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:32,080 I mean, really, and this is, you know, this is not a group that 997 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,040 people were thinking was going to be one of the best offensive 998 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,320 lines in the country. If they are, did they suddenly 999 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,200 become more talented overnight? No, I mean, they, they, but 1000 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,480 they, they're playing a lot better. 1001 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,760 So there's a lot of things going on within this mix that I think 1002 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,600 is going to be really fascinating to keep an eye on. 1003 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,480 A couple of of other items I wanted to note here. 1004 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,960 John Jacobs knows I understand from a self-interest 1005 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,520 perspective. However, I'm shocked that given 1006 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,120 this is a historic year and potentially unbeaten year, that 1007 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,600 the Mcculley I think is what you meant and EJ Williams left. 1008 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,360 This is something I've heard a lot about and it's you know, I 1009 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,360 would look at it this way. I think every player has a a 1010 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,360 particular set of things that they're looking for. 1011 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,200 And we don't know what goes on behind the scenes with players 1012 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,680 or, or what their perspectives are. 1013 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,440 And I think if you think about those two players in particular, 1014 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,640 you know, both of them were highly regarded recruits coming 1015 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,600 out of high school and both of them had their moments where 1016 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,360 they had success. But there's a lot about being 1017 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,280 like, if you look at what what's made this team click on both 1018 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,760 sides of the ball, really in all three phases of the game, it's 1019 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:45,080 been a willingness to step away from being in a primary role and 1020 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,400 serve in more of a support role when needed. 1021 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,960 I mean, you know, we started off the season thinking we had a 1022 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,640 three headed monster at running back with Justice Ellison, Tyson 1023 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,360 Lottin and Caitlin Black. Caitlin Black hasn't gotten many 1024 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,840 carries at all here lately, you know, and Caitlin Black is, you 1025 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,120 know, his he's had 354 and three carries in the last four games, 1026 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,840 but he has done other things. You know, you you've seen other 1027 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,440 players willingly not catching the ball because they're 1028 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,440 blocking downfield. That's what you know, Elijah 1029 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,760 Serrat has still been a really key member of the team even when 1030 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,200 he hasn't caught a lot of balls because he's doing little 1031 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,560 things. Not everybody wants to do little 1032 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,360 things, you know, and, and I think it's a big mentality 1033 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,240 shift. And especially when you get 1034 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,800 players that were brought in by previous coaching Staffs, 1035 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,280 they're not necessarily going to be on board with on with all of 1036 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,120 that. And that can be a hard thing to 1037 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,960 manage. And you only get a certain 1038 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,920 number of years of eligibility left. 1039 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,640 And if you're not going to participate, you might as well 1040 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,360 not be on the team. And it's probably best for 1041 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,840 everybody if you're in a position where you're like, I 1042 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,520 don't feel like I belong here anymore. 1043 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,880 This isn't a team that I feel like I can contribute to. 1044 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,720 It's, it is kind of surprising, but it is, I think to some 1045 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:57,440 degree the mentality that a lot of players have. 1046 00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,640 And that's fine. You know, it's, it's just this 1047 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,360 is, you always get this with transitions overall with 1048 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,520 coaching and, and how it all fits together. 1049 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,040 So I, I, you know, it's a shame because I think both of them 1050 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,200 would have been really nice to have on the roster, but IU has 1051 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,720 played pretty well without them on the roster at this point too, 1052 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:15,920 which I think is really interesting. 1053 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,480 Bradley asks a question. How do you think game day and 1054 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,080 Big Noon could impact applications of students in the 1055 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,160 next 18 months? Well, you know why you want a 1056 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,560 good football program? Because both of those shows, 1057 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:37,080 ESPN game day especially, was a tremendous advertisement, not 1058 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,200 just for IU football, but for the cultural experience of being 1059 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,280 at Indiana University. And I mean, look, I'm a 1060 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,320 professor. This is what I do for a living. 1061 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,680 I know how education works. You know, what happens in the 1062 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,480 classroom, what happens in the laboratory or what happens in, 1063 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,160 you know, in, in research areas is really important. 1064 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,880 That's that's why the university's here. 1065 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,560 But, but getting people here, getting students to think about, 1066 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,400 I want to go to Indiana versus I want to go somewhere else. 1067 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,000 Students want a cultural experience. 1068 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,160 They want to go somewhere where they can feel like they're part 1069 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,440 of something fun. And you can say, well, there's, 1070 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,200 you know, there's arts and there's other things that you 1071 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,760 should be experiencing. It's like, yeah. 1072 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,080 But you know what looks really fun? 1073 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,000 Standing with a bunch of people in line at 5:00 in the morning, 1074 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,480 getting ready to break down the barricades and go jump in front 1075 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,280 of a television camera for five hours. 1076 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,200 I mean, that looks fun. The atmosphere, the, you know, 1077 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:36,280 not just game day, not just Fox Big Noon, but the scenes from 1078 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,480 those overhead shots of Memorial Stadium during the Washington 1079 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,680 game with all the towels waving, I mean that that scene just 1080 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,600 looked incredibly fun to be a part of. 1081 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,480 And this is one of the things I think that IU has struggled with 1082 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,800 historically, like when IU has had its biggest impact in terms 1083 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,520 of recruiting students, not not athletes, but students from 1084 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,200 across the country, It has largely been when they've had 1085 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,880 the most successful athletic programs. 1086 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,800 You know, you think about the 80s, I still remember like, you 1087 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,080 know, I'm at orientation my freshman year in 1997. 1088 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,640 And people are going around introducing themselves. 1089 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,320 And there's this girl in in the room and they asked her where 1090 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,200 she's from. She's like, well, I'm from 1091 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,640 California and we're like, well, why did you come to Indiana? 1092 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,280 And she's like, well, because of the basketball program. 1093 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,680 Because you know it, Assembly Hall just looks like so much 1094 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,560 fun. You know, it is it is a way for 1095 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,400 people who would not otherwise think about Indiana to look at 1096 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,680 Indiana and say that looks like an amazing place to go to 1097 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,600 school. And this is how this is what 1098 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,800 works with Alabama. It's what works with Georgia. 1099 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,640 People see these things and they want to be a part of it. 1100 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,440 And that's not a bad thing necessarily because it doesn't 1101 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,040 mean that that's the only reason they're here. 1102 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,680 And anybody that went to school at IU, you know, the most people 1103 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,720 figure out like, well, I can still have fun and I can also 1104 00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:56,080 study and get a good education. You, you can do both of those 1105 00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,440 things at the same time. And I would argue that Indiana 1106 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,800 hasn't done a great job of marketing that, at least not as 1107 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,400 good of a job as they should have done over the course of the 1108 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,080 last 15 years or so. And it does feel like there's a 1109 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:12,000 new emphasis on football in particular, not just because you 1110 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:17,160 need it to survive financially, athletic department wise, but 1111 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,520 because you need it to advertise IU to potential students. 1112 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,800 And I, and I do think that that makes a big difference. 1113 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,680 It's, it's just one of those things that acts as an 1114 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,400 intangible, but it's a good intangible because I think 1115 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,840 ultimately it doesn't detract from the academic mission of the 1116 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,320 university. If anything, it enhances it 1117 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,720 because it means you get more applications, you get a higher 1118 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:42,440 caliber of student, and they realize they're also going to 1119 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,960 school to go to school, but they also want to do something fun. 1120 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:47,040 You don't want to go to a place where you're not going to have a 1121 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,520 lot of fun because like, why? What's the point when there are 1122 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,360 so many other options where you can have fun? 1123 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,200 Jacob notes, I've read the rejuvenation of IU football has 1124 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,920 sparked the interest and support from boosters. 1125 00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,520 Football's a cash cow. Yes. 1126 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,120 I mean, you know, one of the things about football, if you 1127 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,640 want to think about business, it is essentially new growth 1128 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,000 business for IU. You think about like all the 1129 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,880 donations are centered around basketball. 1130 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,800 People donate thousands, 10s of thousands of dollars, hundreds 1131 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,920 of thousands in some case cases in basketball. 1132 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,320 Why? So they can get better seats in 1133 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,960 Assembly Hall. They buy football tickets 1134 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,240 historically not to go to football games, but to get 1135 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,520 priority points to buy basketball tickets. 1136 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,960 I use never really explored football as a a source of 1137 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,120 revenue. And they're gonna need that 1138 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,640 revenue. You got this $22 million NIL 1139 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,160 bill every year that's gonna have to get paid. 1140 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,560 Where's that coming from? You know, you've got a, a world 1141 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,360 class head coach and a world class staff. 1142 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,400 How do you pay to keep them? You know, 'cause people, every 1143 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,520 time we do a show, people are like, is Signetti leaving? 1144 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,560 That's like, I have no idea if Signetti's leaving, could he 1145 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:55,400 leave? Sure. 1146 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,880 I've heard, you know, that he seems to like it here. 1147 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,440 And IU has been like, well, we'll match whatever offer you 1148 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:01,240 get. I don't, I haven't heard 1149 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,000 specifically that, but that's been the vibe. 1150 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,000 IU has got plenty of NIL money. There's so much more money. 1151 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,840 There's so many boosters out there who want to get in on the 1152 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,800 ground floor of a program like Indiana that looks like it's 1153 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,480 going places. A lot of people who would love 1154 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,720 to get invested in football but have not really been given a 1155 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,880 good reason to. And here they have an 1156 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,160 opportunity to do so. And I do think that that's going 1157 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,440 to make a big difference as we move forward in terms of what 1158 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,640 kinds of things Indiana is able to do in this sport. 1159 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,000 If they can hang on to to Signetti and hang on to his 1160 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,320 staff. You know, Corey asks, like, what 1161 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,520 are the odds Signetti's contracts renegotiate before the 1162 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,440 end of the season? What would his yearly total comp 1163 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,920 be? I mean, we talked about this a 1164 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,040 few few weeks ago when this topic started coming up. 1165 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,320 I mean, I don't know if we'll actually see a new contract 1166 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,080 before the end of the season. We might. 1167 00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,400 I, I do think it's important for people to remember, like 1168 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,880 Signetti got a huge raise coming from James Madison to IU. 1169 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,760 He's making like $600,000 a year at JMU. 1170 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,440 His base here is 4.2 million. That's a huge jump for one year. 1171 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,080 Now, could he go somewhere and make more money? 1172 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,440 Sure. But escalators in his contract 1173 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,400 have already gotten, I think his total compensation package this 1174 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,440 year up to somewhere around $6 million. 1175 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,560 A base of about $8 million a year would put him somewhere 1176 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,840 between, I think, 15th and 20th in the country in coaches. 1177 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,960 And I think Indiana could easily pay that. 1178 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,040 I mean, everything that they're dealing with now is basically 1179 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,360 found money. And I think that that's, you 1180 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,040 know, this is this is where as Indiana starts to flex its 1181 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,640 financial muscle from an athletics perspective, it will 1182 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,480 be interesting to see what Scott Dolson does. 1183 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,680 I will say this, like Dolson deserves all the credit in the 1184 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,360 world for having the foresight and the insight to identify Kurt 1185 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,480 Signetti. To let Kurt Signetti have a big 1186 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,440 runway, to let him bring his own staff in, to let him bring the 1187 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,000 players he wanted in to, to not meddle in the program like you 1188 00:59:55,000 --> 01:00:01,000 do get at some other places. And I don't think Scott Dolson 1189 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,840 is foolish enough to do do all that work. 1190 01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,120 Put. Indiana in this kind of a 1191 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,560 position only to let that coach walk out the door. 1192 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,040 And I think that, you know, the, it's a small investment relative 1193 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,520 to what it currently is. If you're already paying Kurt 1194 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,600 Zignetti 6 plus $1,000,000 this year, if you had the incentives 1195 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,840 in, I mean, to pay him the extra 2 or $3,000,000 or whatever it 1196 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,360 takes. And so I'm, I'm really 1197 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:25,560 fascinated to see how this works. 1198 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,400 And I think, you know, Jacob, noting here a 70 or $42 million 1199 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,160 deal, which would only be 6,000,000 a year. 1200 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,440 So, you know, I don't know if Signetti would like more money 1201 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,920 than that, but commit a lot of funds to football program, 1202 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,560 increase assistant pools. Assistant pools are big. 1203 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:40,800 I mean, I think that's an important thing. 1204 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,280 And that's something Indiana's going to have to do. 1205 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,040 Continue to ramp that up because that is the arms race that's 1206 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,360 happening right now. And ultimately, that's what 1207 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,200 Indiana's going to have to do. They're going to have to make it 1208 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,680 attractive for those assistants to say, knowing that some of the 1209 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,800 assistants are going to be off to coach their own programs 1210 01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,600 soon. I mean, how long do we get Mike 1211 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,840 Shanahan? How long do we get Tino Senseri? 1212 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,120 How long do we get Brian Haynes? These, these are going to be 1213 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,120 some questions as we move forward that, you know, I mean, 1214 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:14,520 you're, it's kind of like I would, I would liken it to there 1215 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,920 was, you know, there, there's, you'll always get situations 1216 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,400 where coaches leave and it's like, why did we let that guy go 1217 01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,200 to a different program? We heard this from Kaylin de 1218 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,400 Boer. It's like, well, why, why didn't 1219 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:23,600 we just try to keep Kaylin de Boer? 1220 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,360 It's like Kaylin de Boer went to be a head coach and he did that 1221 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,320 and then went from there to being a coach in the PAC 12 and 1222 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,000 then two years later he's coaching Alabama. 1223 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,640 That's why you, you know, you're not going to go to an assistant 1224 01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,760 and say, hey, instead of taking that head coaching job here, 1225 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,640 take $1,000,000 to be our assistant. 1226 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,880 That's a different priority pathway then you know what you 1227 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,160 might think that it would be. So you, you know, you want to 1228 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,080 have assistance that are going out and getting head coaching 1229 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:53,360 jobs. And then the idea is can you 1230 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,440 replenish that staff with staff that are just as good or better? 1231 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,480 But you have to have the money to be able to do that. 1232 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,160 And I think that's going to be one of the interesting things 1233 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,800 down the line. We're almost out of time here 1234 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,800 with ours. So I I didn't want to go much 1235 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,520 longer than an hour. It's Halloween night, I, I got a 1236 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,040 long day tomorrow, but I wanted to get this out before midnight 1237 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,680 on the podcast channels. But I'll say this, you know, I 1238 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:25,320 think Indiana against Michigan State, it's hard as an IU fan to 1239 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,280 fight off the specter of, of what was talked about earlier on 1240 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:33,080 in the chat, which is you always feel like the other shoe's going 1241 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,200 to drop. We've talked about it all 1242 01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,480 throughout the course of this season. 1243 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:38,720 I don't think the other shoe drops here. 1244 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,680 You know, I feel like with Curtis Rourke back, that's gonna 1245 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,520 galvanized the locker room. I think that IU, the coaching 1246 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,280 staff, they've been studying film on this Michigan State 1247 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:49,400 team. Of course they have. 1248 01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,040 Michigan State really looks underwhelming according to the 1249 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,920 advanced statistics. They do have some decent 1250 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,200 players. They have some, you know, some 1251 01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,640 players that could cause Indiana some problems. 1252 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,160 Indiana's gonna have to, you know, they got to keep an eye on 1253 01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,200 Aidan Chiles. He's had a really good stretch 1254 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,920 in terms of passing completions. I think he's he's completed like 1255 01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,680 75% of his passes in each of the last couple of games. 1256 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,440 You know, they're they're, you know, K Ron Lynch, Adams, good 1257 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,400 senior running back, Nate Carter, good running back, also 1258 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,160 a veteran. And then they got Montori Foster 1259 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,880 junior and Nick Marsh on offense. 1260 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,920 Defensively, you know, missing a key player due to due to 1261 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,080 targeting suspension for the first half. 1262 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,960 That helps a little bit. But I really feel like Indiana's 1263 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,280 going to jump out, take an early lead. 1264 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,800 They're not gonna put their foot too heavy on the gas, but I 1265 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,000 think they're gonna be able to stay comfortably ahead of 1266 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,840 Michigan State. Think it'll be a little closer 1267 01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,880 perhaps than people would be comfortable with, but I think 1268 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,280 that's normal on the road. I do think Indiana's gonna 1269 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,120 extend a streak that again, I heard on shutdown full cast, and 1270 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,440 I'll leave you folks with this. I didn't realize this stat, but 1271 01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,640 they sided on shutdown full cast since 1945. 1272 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,720 Since the end of World War 2, only three teams through this 1273 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:05,080 part of the season have beaten every opponent by at least 14 1274 01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,320 points. One of them is 1995 Nebraska, 1275 01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,040 which is like uniformly known as one of the best teams in college 1276 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,800 football history. One of them is 2004 Utah, who 1277 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,920 was also really good, and the other is Indiana in 2024. 1278 01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,640 So I think that dominance is going to continue. 1279 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:29,560 I think Indiana will ease to a 38 to 21 victory, so a 17 point 1280 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,760 victory. And I think that, you know, 1281 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,560 again, I don't think they're going to throw the entire 1282 01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:37,360 kitchen sink at I at Michigan State cause only they're going 1283 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,080 to have to. I love some of these other 1284 01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,880 predictions we've got coming in. We got Corey James saying 4224. 1285 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:47,760 We got new life saying 4214. Indiana salty Pretzel saying 28 1286 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,000 to 17. Indiana. 1287 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,240 Scott, thank you, Scott, for the tip. 1288 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,240 IU beating Spartan, Sparty by 20. 1289 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:58,160 Jacobs saying Hoosiers by 90. Matt Uel saying 38 to 17, and 1290 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:02,440 then we got Jacob, Indiana, 36 to 21 or better. 1291 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,440 Huperrazzi 38 to 26. And I'm on record as saying 38 1292 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,360 to 21. So we'll see what happens. 1293 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,840 I'll be up there. If you're up in East Lansing, 1294 01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,880 let me know. Drop us a tweet. 1295 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,000 We'll we'll try to be around the stadium ahead of time. 1296 01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,320 I'm looking forward to seeing all the IU fans up there. 1297 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,880 I will be in something red and hopefully Indiana will be in 1298 01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,360 something red as well. And I will look forward to 1299 01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,200 having a great time up there and hopefully coming away with 1300 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,440 another victory, a third victory in a row at Spartan Stadium and 1301 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,120 a victory that would take Indiana to 9 and oh, on the 1302 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,640 campaign. I would like to sincerely thank 1303 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,480 all of you who tuned in this Thursday evening, this Halloween 1304 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,520 night to talk IU football. Really enjoyed all the comments. 1305 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:42,760 Really enjoyed some of the thoughts. 1306 01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,200 I'm sorry I wasn't able to get to all of them in the comments, 1307 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,160 but some really good stuff in the chat. 1308 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,560 Appreciate everybody keeping it civil and having some good back 1309 01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,760 and forth in there. My thanks to all of you folks 1310 01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,320 listening after the fact, as hopefully you're listening to 1311 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,760 this while you're getting ready for the game or while you're 1312 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:02,560 driving up to East Lansing. A lot of fun potentially to be 1313 01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,600 had here and certainly a huge November coming up for Indiana 1314 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,240 as they turn the page on another month in this season for the 1315 01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,160 entire cast and crew here at the back home network and Crimson 1316 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,200 cast, I'm Galen Clavio saying thanks for joining us once 1317 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,200 again. We'll catch you folks with our 1318 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,000 normal post game wrap up on Sunday. 1319 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,240 Be sure to tune in for that and be sure to check out all of the 1320 01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,680 shows on the back home network. Until then, we will catch you 1321 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,640 folks. On the flip side, bring back the 1322 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,960 Bison. Stay Never daunted. 1323 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:42,120 So long everybody. Bye, guys.