1 00:00:06,900 --> 00:00:10,100 You're listening to the back home network presented by home 2 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:10,900 field. Apparel. 3 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Welcome back to Crimson Cask ale and clavius got Caulfield 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,600 joining. You once again, it's been a 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,600 while. We've gotten harassed by people 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,300 online about the lack of content. 7 00:00:28,300 --> 00:00:32,100 It's summer folks, it's summer. We always take a step back. 8 00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:35,000 We appreciate your wanting new content. 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,500 This is going to be a rarity It cast that we're going to do here 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,200 and we're only doing it because there's big news that we need to 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,000 talk about, but Scott is on vacation. 12 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:47,500 I'm going to be on vacation, it somewhere it was Scott's been on 13 00:00:47,500 --> 00:00:49,100 vacation, he's not there anymore. 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,600 You know that we got it, we got to recharge the batteries, you 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,600 know, podcasting about IU Sports. 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,000 Can occasionally be exhausting, you know? 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,600 So we gotta, we gotta take a step back every once in a while. 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,200 But Scott, you were out in Big Ten, country on your vacation, 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,100 how was that? It's great. 20 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:09,100 Yes, I was in LA. Everyone thinks of big ten 21 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:11,300 country. I posted you and what did you 22 00:01:11,308 --> 00:01:13,000 do? A man on the street where you 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,400 walked down like Hollywood Boulevard and ask them to like 24 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,400 identify football players in the Big Ten did that go? 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,100 Well, no, I'm sure if I did it, it wouldn't go. 26 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:24,400 Well, I get have them. Give them logos a big tent. 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,800 He's like a surprise for the logo of UCLA and feel like I 28 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,900 don't know. But I did I post this on our 29 00:01:30,100 --> 00:01:33,400 internal Discord on Instagram. Like, you know, I've been 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,500 waiting 44 years, For IU to give you an invite to the Rose Bowl. 31 00:01:36,500 --> 00:01:39,700 They haven't done it. So, I went, and it was great. 32 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:41,700 I mean, like it's, it's beautiful. 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,100 I would love to see a game there. 34 00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:45,300 But how might we took the family down, took the picture front of 35 00:01:45,300 --> 00:01:47,000 the Rose Bowl. There's like tons of people, 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,800 working out around it, some nice ladies like oh you must be from 37 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,300 the Midwest, I got something. They're taking a selfies of like 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,900 being the Rose Bowl behind me but yeah I went to the Rose 39 00:01:55,900 --> 00:01:57,400 Bowl. I very much look forward to 40 00:01:57,700 --> 00:01:59,100 seeing a game there someday with. 41 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:01,200 Not I eat. Well, Nate, you know babe I you 42 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,700 versus UCLA? Yeah, at least a regular season 43 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:07,000 game, maybe nothing. Postseason but hey we can dream 44 00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:10,400 but know a lot of news to talk about today in terms of the 45 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,700 future schedule for IU at least in football as the Big Ten 46 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:18,700 announced earlier this week, that they have a new model by 47 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:22,500 which they are doing things, we were quite skeptical of what 48 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:26,000 that would look like and how I you would fare in it and 49 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,400 actually it was better than we thought. 50 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:29,600 So we're going to talk about that. 51 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,300 We're going to talk about I use protected Rivals as well as. 52 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:36,700 Who they're going to be playing the next couple of years. 53 00:02:36,700 --> 00:02:38,300 So we're going to dig into all of that. 54 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,500 First of all, before we do that, just a reminder that we are part 55 00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:43,800 of the back home network in the back home network is brought to 56 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,700 you by home-field apparel, your place to go for the finest in 57 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,500 college apparel the softest fabric, the coolest designs 58 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,300 home-field apparel continuing to roll out new Collections. 59 00:02:55,500 --> 00:02:59,200 And it's funny Scott because every time they roll one out, 60 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,000 you know, it's like a nonzero chance that IU has a terrible 61 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,500 football loss to that school at some point. 62 00:03:04,700 --> 00:03:06,200 History that happened. I think it was today or 63 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,800 yesterday where they Unleashed a North Texas collection. 64 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,700 You know, and I always remember that, that trip to North Texas 65 00:03:13,100 --> 00:03:16,100 back in the early Kevin Wilson days where I you just look like 66 00:03:16,100 --> 00:03:18,500 completely off on member watching that game at Kilroy 67 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:22,400 Sports because we were doing a postgame podcast there. 68 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,100 That was that went about as well as you thought it would go, but 69 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,100 no great, North Texas collection, and they've had some 70 00:03:29,100 --> 00:03:31,900 great collection releases some updates here throughout the 71 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:34,400 course of the summer, use the code home. 72 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,800 Get 15% off your first order and it's well worth it. 73 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,600 Every time I actually just picked up another hoodie because 74 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,000 I needed another hoodie, it's got, as you know, didn't have 75 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,800 enough, they had that new, Miami green hoodie, and then I have a 76 00:03:49,808 --> 00:03:51,200 lot of green Hood. He's out there. 77 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,000 I was like, I got to pick that one up at the very least, so, 78 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:57,100 and you figured after last year between the two basketball men 79 00:03:57,100 --> 00:03:59,700 and women who like we're bound to have a nice six-year run. 80 00:03:59,700 --> 00:04:00,800 We don't play Miami. Yeah. 81 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,200 Well you think? Yeah, I would, I would, I hope 82 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,500 otherwise. What am I gonna do? 83 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:08,100 At this point, you know? But but I also picked up a USB 84 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:10,300 wall. The wall of hoodies, you cannot 85 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:12,400 wear. I picked up a USC hoodie, and as 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,100 I've learned, I'm not gonna be able to wear that one in 2025, 87 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:19,300 so, but I think next year I'm fine anyway, let's dig in any 88 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:20,000 way. Go to home field. 89 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,900 Apparel.com, follow them on social media, follow them on 90 00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:26,100 Instagram and get on the newsletter distribution. 91 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:28,900 You get a chance ahead of time to see what's coming out. 92 00:04:29,300 --> 00:04:31,800 And sometimes there's some discount codes snuck in there, 93 00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:35,200 you never know. So anyway, let's dive I've into 94 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,300 this. So the Big Ten announces today. 95 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:41,200 I like how they didn't do it on a Friday, so it wasn't a news 96 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,100 dump. Like they did it at like 4:00 in 97 00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:47,000 the afternoon on a Thursday. They announcing you three funny 98 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,500 that they didn't, they didn't if it came out and announced like 99 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,700 we're going back to leaders and legends, right? 100 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:54,100 It's like let it sit there for a second and I gotta screwing with 101 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:57,700 you, I know, yeah, we need some like, dark comedy coming out of 102 00:04:57,700 --> 00:05:01,200 Big Ten front, office's, I think occasionally dark comedy that 103 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,400 isn't, hey, we decided to just, you know, unilaterally change 104 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,600 the Rules that everybody agreed upon at the beginning of the 105 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,700 season, so I you you're not going to the yeah. 106 00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:12,500 Exactly, you know, so that that comedy, we could avoid. 107 00:05:12,500 --> 00:05:15,700 But now the Big Ten. Everybody was wondering what was 108 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:19,700 going to happen with the Big Ten in terms of scheduling, as 109 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:26,000 obviously with, you know, 16 teams in the league divisions 110 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,800 were becoming increasingly unreasonable, and unwieldy at 111 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,700 least on the football side, and we didn't have divisions on the 112 00:05:32,707 --> 00:05:35,500 basketball side. So, There were questions about 113 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:38,400 how this was going to be done, we'd heard suggestions about a 114 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,700 pod system but what they settled on was a series of protected 115 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:46,800 opponents and then to play opponents which aren't really 116 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,900 protected, but they're kind of temporarily protected. 117 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,300 Iowa somehow gets three protected opponents, they're 118 00:05:53,300 --> 00:05:54,600 playing. I was like, you're just going to 119 00:05:54,608 --> 00:05:56,600 take all the protected. T like how does that? 120 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,100 Although I'm constantly baffled at why this conference bends 121 00:06:00,100 --> 00:06:04,300 over backwards for Iowa of all teams, of all programs. 122 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:07,200 Its I mean, not that Iowa doesn't deserve some 123 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,300 consideration but they get Minnesota. 124 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:13,000 Nebraska, Wisconsin, every year at least for the next couple of 125 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,100 years and I guess beyond that. But anyway, for Indiana and 126 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:19,900 oddly and oddly, Illinois. And Purdue is a protected area, 127 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:23,600 which I never what I think of Big Ten, you know, rivalries, 128 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,300 that that was never top of my list. 129 00:06:25,300 --> 00:06:30,100 So how Purdue Lux into, like, they got a horseshoe to? 130 00:06:30,100 --> 00:06:31,900 Because we gotta we gotta keep another bad opponent, our 131 00:06:31,900 --> 00:06:34,400 schedule every year. But I mean, I will say in the 132 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:37,500 Deanna only one protected opponent and it's Purdue, they 133 00:06:37,500 --> 00:06:40,400 do get a kind of a quasi protection on the Michigan State 134 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,800 series, at least for the first two years where they will play 135 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,300 Michigan State, both home and away. 136 00:06:44,500 --> 00:06:48,600 And then they get, Maryland, both home and away in 24 and 25, 137 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,100 which thank you. I appreciate that. 138 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:53,500 Even though Maryland's good Maryland's, beatable as Indiana 139 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:57,400 has proven at times, whereas, the games Indiana has been 140 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,100 playing consistently against Ohio state every year, Michigan 141 00:07:01,100 --> 00:07:05,700 every year Penn State every year, we didn't To see that 142 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:10,200 again, and we didn't in this. And so, honestly, Scott, I feel 143 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,100 like I'm in a bush and played Northwestern and five years. 144 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:15,400 We really, we have a real long history cap. 145 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:18,900 I will think like to play opponent. 146 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,000 You need a better name for it. Like, you know, it sounds like 147 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,300 it sounds like, it sounds like one of those games that you used 148 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:28,700 to play on espn.com back in the dial-up era you know. 149 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,300 But you can win the free sneaker phone if you like if you're 150 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:33,800 really good at to play. Yeah. 151 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,400 But No. But I mean, all told I think, IU 152 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:40,200 has to feel really good about the situation that they're in 153 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:45,200 right now as they were able to avoid getting locked into 154 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,900 playing Ohio State. They were avoiding, you know, 155 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,400 they avoid getting locked into play. 156 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,100 Michigan, they avoid getting locked into play Penn State and 157 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,300 that was really what we've been complaining about for, you know, 158 00:07:56,300 --> 00:08:00,400 essentially the last 10 years is this idea that I you was 159 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,200 constantly being essentially offered up as a sacrificial lamb 160 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,100 again. Programs that were so far ahead 161 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:07,500 of them now. It doesn't mean they're not 162 00:08:07,500 --> 00:08:09,900 going to play those teams. It just means they're not going 163 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:14,100 to play them every year. And instead what Indiana gets is 164 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:17,800 a setup that is a bit more friendly in that. 165 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,800 There's a chance going into every scheduling season that 166 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,700 you're going to have, you know, potentially winnable games as 167 00:08:24,700 --> 00:08:27,300 opposed to just crossing three of them off immediately and 168 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:29,400 saying, well, we probably aren't going to be competitive in. 169 00:08:29,407 --> 00:08:35,700 Those know, I'm just a big 10 Our Graphics Department like 170 00:08:35,700 --> 00:08:38,500 they have this, you know, the 2024 ponens 2025, and it's like 171 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:41,400 they have the team's right underneath the name of Indiana 172 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,400 in white. But those are the away games. 173 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,100 It's a weird setup of how they're doing. 174 00:08:45,100 --> 00:08:48,400 It is odd. Yes, looking at it know, what's 175 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,700 great 2024. We don't play Michigan and we 176 00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:54,800 don't play Ohio State. Our home schedule in 2024 is 177 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,000 Maryland. Minnesota Penn State, Purdue and 178 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,100 UCLA. That's all things told, that's 179 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:00,900 really good. I mean, this is where, you know, 180 00:09:00,900 --> 00:09:04,000 it's like we have complained about the Michigan, Ohio. 181 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,100 Eat Penn State triumvirate every year. 182 00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:08,900 It's always funny. You know, I say it all the time. 183 00:09:08,900 --> 00:09:11,500 When I people, I know up here who are Purdue fans, they're 184 00:09:11,500 --> 00:09:12,800 like, oh my God. Next year, we got to play 185 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,100 Michigan and Ohio State. It's like, okay. 186 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:18,500 And we do that every year ago, we had Penn State like, so we 187 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:21,300 don't get that it's nice, but it's also like, you are in the 188 00:09:21,308 --> 00:09:22,400 Big Ten. There's going to be some tough 189 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,700 games. It also is funny that in 2025 as 190 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:30,100 this goes out, like there is one list lat, you know, we do play 191 00:09:30,100 --> 00:09:32,500 Ohio State Michigan again, it's like a big ten saying, like just 192 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:35,300 before we change things up like we're gonna Kick Indiana in the 193 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:39,200 pants one more time. Speaking of Purdue, they somehow 194 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:44,900 don't get Ohio State or Michigan in 2024, but they do get Ohio 195 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:48,100 State in 2025 a some are they do get a high state of Michigan in 196 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:50,300 2025. So they get to taste the pain 197 00:09:50,300 --> 00:09:55,300 for a year, which is nice. But no all things told this, all 198 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:58,700 this shake-up benefits Indiana in a very good way. 199 00:09:58,700 --> 00:10:02,200 The divisions, the way they were set up, we're just particularly 200 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,400 bad for Indiana because you're in a spot. 201 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:10,000 Are, you know, we had that, you know, God, it's like turning 202 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,300 into. Like, I don't want to rehash the 203 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:13,500 covid here anymore, but it's like, it's almost like the 204 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:15,100 night. Fiery thing is don't want to get 205 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:16,600 into the covid thing and how that fits in. 206 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,800 But it's like, that was kind of an abnormal, for the most part 207 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,800 year, but every year in you're in, you're out, you're just, 208 00:10:22,808 --> 00:10:26,400 you're at a disadvantage to Michigan, Ohio, State and Penn 209 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,600 State. You should be similar to 210 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,300 Michigan State. Although, it's not totally the 211 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:32,500 case, although we've been kind of 500 within the last couple 212 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:35,200 years, but it's kind of like, you were just Battling with 213 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,800 Maryland, Michigan State and Rutgers for like who's going to 214 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,600 stay on the bottom of the division who's going to finish 215 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,800 fourth? And that's kind of the lot in 216 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,100 life. You were going to have you might 217 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:45,900 be able to break out here and there it was just not good. 218 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:48,800 For those four teams, Indiana being one of them. 219 00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:52,300 As you said that the biggest fear and a shake of here is like 220 00:10:52,300 --> 00:10:54,700 if they would have somehow locked us into like three 221 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:57,700 divisions and suddenly we were in a division with like Penn 222 00:10:57,700 --> 00:11:00,800 State Michigan, Ohio State again like just the four teams like 223 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,100 that in Indiana. It's like I do this really now 224 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:07,700 we're just going to flog The rest of time, this all things on 225 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:09,800 the table. This seems like a really good 226 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,800 option for a team like Indiana. It's certainly better than the 227 00:11:13,808 --> 00:11:16,900 current situation is and what Indiana's faced. 228 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:20,900 I mean, ultimately, you know, I think I've said this on the 229 00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:24,000 podcast multiple times before and I'll say it again, like I 230 00:11:24,008 --> 00:11:29,100 think to some degree, the schedule has been a an excuse 231 00:11:29,500 --> 00:11:34,600 for IU because yes, obviously it's been problematic that Has 232 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,300 had to play those teams every year, on the flip side, other 233 00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:41,200 teams in the conference have figured out how to beat 234 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,000 Michigan. They figured out how to beat 235 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,400 Ohio, State and Indiana. I don't think deserves much 236 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,000 credit for having not figured out how to beat Michigan and 237 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Ohio State. I dive an updated the 238 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,700 spreadsheet and a few years. But, you know, for a while there 239 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,600 up until Indiana beat them in 2020 IU was the only school that 240 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,700 hadn't beaten Michigan from 1987 to 2019. 241 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,100 And, you know, you look at State. 242 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,800 The only teams that haven't beaten them since 1989. 243 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,200 Have been Indiana, Maryland and Rutgers like you know Minnesota 244 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,400 figured out how to do it. Nebraska figured out how to do 245 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:15,600 it. Northwestern figured out how to 246 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,600 do it. And so you know certainly it 247 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,700 didn't help to have to play those teams every year but I 248 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:26,400 also don't think that this is some kind of magic wand that's 249 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,800 going to suddenly make Indiana a more competitive football 250 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,400 program. It just means that there will be 251 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,900 less guaranteed losses at the start of the season. 252 00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:37,400 They Still lose the games but you know, but it is positive and 253 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,000 I think ultimately not just for Indiana but for Maryland in 254 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Rutgers as well. This is a welcome change and 255 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,500 honestly well from this perspective I mean Marilyn and 256 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:49,500 Runners look at something else. Yeah. 257 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:52,600 But you know and and and also I think even Penn State you know I 258 00:12:52,608 --> 00:12:55,700 think Penn State's a little bit. Their wit's weird because Penn 259 00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:59,900 State was not given any permanent rivals in the looking 260 00:12:59,900 --> 00:13:01,300 at. I didn't fully I saw that. 261 00:13:01,300 --> 00:13:02,500 So that's the face. I was making. 262 00:13:02,500 --> 00:13:03,900 Yeah. Like you think Penn State is 263 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:06,300 like, I know this is all released in the Press is out. 264 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:09,000 Like, I only got three. Like, just, just to show you 265 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,900 guys not like Iowa. I know we're relatively new but 266 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:14,600 like there's, you know, Rutgers is newer like USC. 267 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,800 Like can we get 1? Like we just take one of Iowa's. 268 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,200 Yeah, I'm do we get any? Well I am part of this 269 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,200 conference and that's why I am somewhat surprised. 270 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,600 When you look at this that Marilyn or that like that there 271 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,600 was no no I was thinking more of that Penn State would get like 272 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,800 Maryland or Rutgers is a permanent rival, a local game 273 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,100 against a team that's clearly a Are below them. 274 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,200 But, you know, the, the overall ones that they decided to 275 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,800 protect, I mean, clearly, like Michigan was going to get 276 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,800 Michigan. Instead, estate in Ohio state, 277 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,900 that one, that one makes a lot of sense, USC and UCLA. 278 00:13:46,900 --> 00:13:51,200 We're going to get each other. You know, it's not surprising 279 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,000 that. I like Maryland and Rutgers got 280 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,400 each other because of their geology graphic proximity, but I 281 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,800 do feel kind of as I look at this, that this is going to be 282 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,500 something that they tweaked in the future. 283 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:04,600 I also think to some degree Green. 284 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,500 Maybe they didn't put no gets for her. 285 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:09,300 I will get higher gets five. Yeah, our sketch, I can detect 286 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:11,900 exactly. But no, I have a sneaking 287 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:13,700 suspicion. The way they did this. 288 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,400 That they're there, at least keeping it open in the back of 289 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,700 their minds that, you know, we might have to change this up for 290 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:23,700 2026 anyway, because we might have a couple of new teams that 291 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:25,200 were welcoming to the conference. 292 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:28,100 So, like why, why can't what? Yeah, so get away. 293 00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:30,400 Good no, I was just saying that that was the other thought that 294 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,600 I had a kind of a big picture way, is this? 295 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,000 This feels I like the way they're setting this up, but 296 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,900 this definitely feels very flexible. 297 00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:42,600 And then, if they decide to add two to four more teams, it even 298 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,900 in 2024 or 2025 at 21.5 too soon. 299 00:14:46,900 --> 00:14:49,500 But like if they announce to add something new, like this doesn't 300 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:52,400 feel like this is set in stone. This feels very much and we 301 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,800 could add a team in 2025 and you could very easily just kind of 302 00:14:54,808 --> 00:14:58,300 re-engineer this on the Fly versus had they done like you 303 00:14:58,300 --> 00:15:01,100 know three different divisions, where you kind of need time to 304 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:05,300 cycle that through this feels this As I look through it and 305 00:15:05,300 --> 00:15:09,000 thought about it, this feels very much like a we know we have 306 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,500 some other teams on the radar that we're going to bring into 307 00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:15,100 the Big Ten but we also know we have to answer the question of 308 00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:17,900 what are we doing with our schedule today so this kind of 309 00:15:17,900 --> 00:15:19,600 answers it in. This is flexible enough that if 310 00:15:19,608 --> 00:15:24,200 we decide to add, you know, just you know Arizona and Stanford in 311 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,300 two weeks. Yeah. 312 00:15:25,300 --> 00:15:27,000 You can easily swap them in here. 313 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,900 You look at the the schedule for 2024, for Indiana, I'll will 314 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:35,600 have to obtain a hoary on This this might be the easiest 315 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,500 football schedule Indiana's ever had in the Big Ten. 316 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:41,700 And I mean, if you look at it night, the your home games are, 317 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:45,500 Maryland, Minnesota Penn State, Purdue UCLA. 318 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:49,600 I mean, honestly, all five of those might be winnable games. 319 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,400 Even if you want to take Penn State out of it, the other four 320 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,400 will be winnable and then you got your road games or Michigan 321 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,900 State, Nebraska, Northwestern and Wisconsin. 322 00:15:59,100 --> 00:16:02,600 I mean Indiana's, one at all of those stadiums. 323 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:07,200 Weirdly except Jordan within the last decade, you know. 324 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,800 So I do think that that certainly less daunting than 325 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,900 what you might see otherwise but so we go, we go yeah. 326 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:17,600 Four and eight that year and well gets an extension based off 327 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,500 of that or five and seven. It's hard to say that's Alan's 328 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:23,400 extension here, right? Yeah. 329 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,100 Well, that will be most likely. That will be, that is the 330 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,700 position Vector after the 24 season is when the buyout drops, 331 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:34,200 let's just put it that way. So we'll see what happens with 332 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:37,300 All of that. But then 2025 is an incredibly 333 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:41,000 difficult schedule Indiana's home games that year, Iowa, 334 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:43,100 Michigan. Michigan, State and Rutgers and 335 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:44,600 then their Road games are Illinois. 336 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,900 Maryland, Ohio, State Purdue and USC, which at that point? 337 00:16:49,900 --> 00:16:51,800 I'm assuming USC is on Full Throttle. 338 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,900 Ranked 5 in the country. Probably, yes. 339 00:16:53,900 --> 00:17:00,300 Yeah, but it's, you know, it's all told I'm curious to see how 340 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:03,500 this itinerate sin future schedules, but I will say from 341 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:04,900 an IU. Active. 342 00:17:05,099 --> 00:17:09,300 They do not feel terribly hard done by in this particular setup 343 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:13,200 and and look, it's the Big Ten and you're gonna have a lot of 344 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,099 good football brands in here and, you know, to some degree, I 345 00:17:16,099 --> 00:17:20,099 guess Scott, I don't mind getting, you know, if you're 346 00:17:20,099 --> 00:17:23,800 going to incur losses incurring, losses, because you're traveling 347 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,200 to USC or you're traveling, you know, other places is not as bad 348 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,100 as Incurring the same losses against the same teams over and 349 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:34,200 over and over again, which is essentially at what it felt 350 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,800 like, for Indiana, for quite a while. 351 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,900 But, you know across the conference, you know, I do think 352 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:42,700 that the, you know, with a 9 game scheduled that the league 353 00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:45,100 did a pretty good job of figuring out how to balance some 354 00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:46,900 of this stuff. You know. 355 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:50,100 I haven't looked at it Piper closely in terms of like each 356 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:52,700 individual teams expected schedule. 357 00:17:52,700 --> 00:17:57,300 But it does do, I think what they've tried to do and and 358 00:17:57,300 --> 00:18:00,700 honestly but I think a lot of leagues are struggling to get 359 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:04,300 their heads wrapped around in the mega League era, which is 360 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:06,900 give everybody a taste of playing everybody else 361 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,800 relatively regularly without getting so locked in to a 362 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,000 divisional format that frankly I think it outlived its usefulness 363 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,600 and also as we've seen and build kindly pointed this out in an 364 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:23,200 ESPN piece had kept the Big Ten from actually having its two 365 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,200 best teams matchup in the conference Championship game 366 00:18:26,500 --> 00:18:31,200 because it was so Strictly based on divisional format and so I am 367 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,900 happy to see all of that. And you said something in there 368 00:18:34,900 --> 00:18:39,300 that got really tiring as an IU fan, I'm sure as like, I would 369 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:41,600 sure it'd be a safer at Ohio, State fan on the other side of 370 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,500 the coin, it got tiring in the divisions that just you plate. 371 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:48,300 I think, I know, it's kind of an oh, shit moment, but it's like, 372 00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:49,900 you play the same teams over and over again. 373 00:18:49,900 --> 00:18:51,100 It got kind of tiring like, all right. 374 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:53,200 Well, let's go lose Ohio State. Again, like this, we do this 375 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,300 every year. It's like Groundhog Day and it 376 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:57,400 becomes. Like the Maryland, Rucker games 377 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:58,800 become the tube, Biggest games of the year. 378 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,400 It's like, it never changes by the fact that like, it took us 379 00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:04,800 eight years to play Nebraska, like to Braska, was in the 380 00:19:04,808 --> 00:19:06,300 league forever. We never played him. 381 00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:08,900 I look at this and it's like, wow, we're playing like 382 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:10,800 Northwestern. And we're playing, you know, 383 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,900 USC, and we're getting Illinois mixed in there like, it it just 384 00:19:14,900 --> 00:19:18,500 feels like we're playing more of the Big Ten and I'm sure again, 385 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:20,600 from Ohio, State's protected. They probably got tired. 386 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,400 Like, we gotta kick the shit out of Indiana again. 387 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,700 Like we do this every year, like they just get tight. 388 00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:29,500 It's just it felt very Mind and it didn't feel like you were 389 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:33,500 part of a larger conference. I think it's interesting, just 390 00:19:33,500 --> 00:19:37,200 kind of looking at, you know, who UCLA and USC gets their 391 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,700 first two years as home games just because they're Marquee 392 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:43,700 teams coming in. And you definitely see like, you 393 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:48,800 know, UCLA is hosting Ohio State in year, one and then USC's 394 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,700 going to Ohio State and Year too. 395 00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:53,800 So they're getting Ohio State, both of them, you know, UCLA is 396 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:59,300 getting It's our USC gets Michigan in year in 2024 and 397 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:03,500 then, you know, oddly, they get they get Penn State and year 2 398 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:07,100 and UCLA gets Wisconsin. So it is, it's a nice balance. 399 00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:10,800 I mean, you know, it's a nice mix, you know, I mean, UCLA fans 400 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,700 can say, oh great, we get USC at home, we get Ohio State at home. 401 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:16,900 And, you know, hopefully they just ignored that they're going 402 00:20:16,900 --> 00:20:20,500 to be watching like Northwestern and Minnesota coming to play 403 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:23,600 them and USC. They don't get, you know, the 404 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,400 sexy pic of you. Of Ohio State, but they get 405 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,000 Michigan coming in and playing them and that's really cool. 406 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,800 I mean, I am excited to see these Big Ten teams finally 407 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,300 playing both in the Rose Bowl and in the Coliseum not in the 408 00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:38,800 bowl season. You know, I think that's going 409 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,500 to be really fascinating to see how everybody matches up. 410 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:44,700 What is a team who didn't play Nebraska for eight years? 411 00:20:44,700 --> 00:20:46,500 It's kind of cool that we get to play both of them. 412 00:20:46,500 --> 00:20:51,600 The first two years one you UCLA at home and then 1 USC on the 413 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,100 road. I'm trying to do it in my head. 414 00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:58,200 Now in the First two years, does Indiana play everybody in the 415 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:03,300 Big 10. I believe there's one team 416 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:06,800 that's missing, but I have to go through and look, I haven't, I 417 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,600 haven't actually tracked it all down myself. 418 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,500 I could, you could be right. They may end up playing 419 00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:15,000 everybody but again. Yeah, I think it's got Iowa. 420 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000 I was the hardest one because they have, you know, 75 421 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,600 protected protected games. Yeah, that's true. 422 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,100 Yeah, we have to wait till 2025. We get Iowa at home. 423 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:25,100 I don't know if I don't know if they are, they protecting? 424 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,900 The home games as well. Do they like, what? 425 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:29,100 We can't play anybody on the road? 426 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:33,700 We couldn't possibly were Iowa and also quietly Akron state is 427 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:36,400 accurate, is also part of the Big Ten just for Iowa, right? 428 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,500 Just for Iowa's purposes. I'm looking through, I think I 429 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:43,100 think we play everybody. Yeah, yeah, going through it. 430 00:21:43,100 --> 00:21:47,200 Every every team just got to see Rutgers Rutgers is Rutgers and 431 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,300 25 at home. What would be interesting? 432 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:53,300 Yeah, I you at least plays everybody in the Big Ten in 20 433 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,200 either in 2024 and 2020. Five, which is cool. 434 00:21:56,300 --> 00:22:00,800 I'd be curious to know if every team is in the same boat or if 435 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,000 there are there's got to be some voids here or there but that's 436 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,100 you know, give it up for the Big Ten again for a team in Indiana. 437 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:08,300 That's been you know it's been years since we played Illinois, 438 00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:11,100 we feel free to play in the North or South Northwestern 439 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:12,200 much. We can play Nebraska for a 440 00:22:12,208 --> 00:22:13,900 while. It's nice that we're going to 441 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:15,900 get see everybody in a two-year span. 442 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,700 So, they haven't announced what tiebreaking procedures will be, 443 00:22:19,700 --> 00:22:22,600 and I do think I'm not just to be clear. 444 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,000 Now, Ohio state with not worried about ending at the first, but 445 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,900 the bright. The first Iraq is Ohio, State 446 00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:28,300 wins. And, and I'm also not 447 00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:30,400 particularly worried about Indiana, being in these tie 448 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,800 Breakers in the near future. But I will be interested because 449 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,600 you're gonna have a situations where there's two undefeated 450 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,000 teams that didn't play each other and how they decide to go 451 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,400 about breaking that kind of a tie is going to be really 452 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,300 fascinating but you know, they're look. 453 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,000 The entry of the interesting thing. 454 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,500 If you look at the, the press release from the Big Ten, the 455 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:54,800 the four bullets, the kind of guiding constructs that they 456 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,800 used for. This were maintaining control 457 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,200 and flexibility as the college football postseason format 458 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,900 evolves with the goal to create access for programs into an 459 00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:07,000 expanded college football playoff. 460 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,100 I'm glad to see them actually publicly acknowledging that 461 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:13,200 balance of annual Travel by distance regard regions of the 462 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,800 conference and time zones, balance of historic. 463 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,500 And recent competitive Trends and then balance. 464 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:23,300 And maximization of Television inventory, it is going to be 465 00:23:23,300 --> 00:23:26,400 interesting to see. Like, how many of these I you 466 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,700 games actually end up on National Television versus? 467 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:32,200 How many of them are on peacock every year? 468 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,400 That's, that is the, that is a question that, you know, I do 469 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,800 think in the Anna's going to get some opportunities, you know, 470 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,500 especially with with big teams coming to Bloomington. 471 00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:48,100 I am curious to see like this. Does you see Ela Indiana, get a 472 00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:51,400 decent spot on television somewhere, probably, not just 473 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,700 Penn State, you know, at Indiana, get one. 474 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:57,200 Perhaps it does. Does Indiana at USC, get one. 475 00:23:57,300 --> 00:23:58,800 I don't know. I think this is where the 476 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,900 inventory thing is going to be really fascinating because 477 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:07,500 clearly, there are going to be tears of inventory, where, you 478 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:11,800 know, your how good you're doing and how well, you're competing 479 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,700 is going to factor directly into how much you're seeing and on 480 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:19,600 what particular annals. So right now, you know, I feel 481 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,900 like Indiana is unfortunately kind of in the peacock tier with 482 00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:25,700 a lot of how it's played the last couple of years. 483 00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:28,600 But on the flip side of it, I think of Indiana can be 484 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,100 competitive this season. Especially maybe they put 485 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:34,900 themselves in a better inventory, format to better 486 00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:37,200 showcase the program in future years. 487 00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:40,000 That's going to be a really curious thing to watch. 488 00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:42,500 Just watching how the Big Ten and it's television Partners, 489 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:44,200 decide they're going to manage these things. 490 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,600 As you mentioned peacock, it makes me think back to Indy car 491 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,100 like maybe a little blackout the games. 492 00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:51,500 Maybe it'll break out peacocks of, people can't watch him in 493 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:54,900 those in those areas. No, I think you're right, you 494 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,400 know, but even as Indiana's been bad, it feels like we were 495 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,400 always getting a lot of, you know, new tspn games. 496 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,600 I think, you know, there's going to be there. 497 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,400 Probably still going to have the Friday night games. 498 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,800 That will be a game that we won't be part of it. 499 00:25:06,808 --> 00:25:08,500 Like this. I think there's gonna be enough 500 00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:12,600 inventory of Sunday Saturday night games, Friday night games, 501 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,000 that are going to feature the The Good, the good team. 502 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,700 So to speak that will probably have a couple. 503 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:20,500 But you know that's that's the least of my worries. 504 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,900 That's something where I feel like the Big Ten has been pretty 505 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:28,400 good and flexible about you know as you get better even with in 506 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,100 season they promote you pretty well, if that's pretty much you, 507 00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:33,900 you earn those rights and honestly Indiana hasn't earned 508 00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:36,900 any of those rights except for it feels like somehow we always 509 00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:39,700 earn starting the season playing Ohio State, like so good. 510 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:43,500 It's nice that, you know, I hope that in 20, whatever year it is, 511 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:48,100 you know, the year we have Ohio, They in 2025 I hope we don't 512 00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:52,200 open the season with Ohio State again but yeah I hear you on 513 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,200 that. I think that's just something 514 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,000 where you we have to earn those. Those note or spotted, it's 515 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,900 gonna be, but it's going to be harder. 516 00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:01,700 Because every week if you have a USC, Ohio State game, that's 517 00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:03,500 going to be their Michigan's going to be there, it's like, 518 00:26:03,508 --> 00:26:06,400 it's as a conference gets bigger, it's harder to get, you 519 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,600 know, a light on yourself. Hi, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tap out 520 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,300 on this conversation with this Scott. 521 00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:14,900 Okay, so Indiana's with their protected rival and Then there 522 00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:17,700 to play. They've got Purdue, Maryland, 523 00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:21,700 Michigan State, Purdue with their protected rival into play 524 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:25,500 has Indiana Northwestern and Illinois. 525 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:32,300 Who got the better deal? given given what we know right 526 00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:34,700 now about what the next couple of years of the Big Ten are 527 00:26:34,708 --> 00:26:41,300 going to be That's a great question on the surface I would 528 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:47,700 say Purdue got the better deal that said, and I think I've 529 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:49,800 talked about this in previous podcasts. 530 00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:54,000 You go back and look at the last like nine years US versus 531 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,600 Michigan State. We're I think we're either even 532 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,800 or we have a one-game lead on them like, and the years that 533 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,700 we've been good. We've been better than Michigan 534 00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:06,300 state has been. Like we've obviously been, well, 535 00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:08,700 except for the They watch the college-football playoff. 536 00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:12,200 But yes, I think if you start the year after, he struck the 537 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,100 Earth, which is like simple, but that's like nine year eight 538 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:15,500 years ago. It's eight or nine years ago. 539 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:18,800 Mike go on. Hey I set the rules wherever I 540 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,300 want, but like there haven't been a lot of we've been very 541 00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:24,200 similar to Michigan State. I think we're better than 542 00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:26,200 Maryland and then Purdue obviously you know, they're 543 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,100 going to be there. I think it's very close. 544 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,500 So I thought I would honestly take either one of those. 545 00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:36,400 I think probably a slight Edge to Purdue for what they got, but 546 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,100 I Either one of those are pretty good. 547 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,600 As I look around, I want to answer your question and I'll 548 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,000 also ask you this is there. If you could just take any other 549 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,800 teams, you know, protected and to play opponents, is there 550 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,000 anybody else's group you'd like to have as opposed to Indiana? 551 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,000 Well, let me let me answer my own question first on this and 552 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,600 then I'll get to that one. I actually kind of like, 553 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,400 Maryland Michigan State Purdue slightly better going into the 554 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,800 next few years because I think Michigan State might be in real 555 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,100 trouble from Iraq. Perspective. 556 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,100 And from a program perspective, where's Illinois does feel like 557 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:14,800 it's kind of on the come up right now with Bret Bielema as 558 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,400 their coach Northwestern and Maryland. 559 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,400 I mean, I Maryland's better than Northwestern and might be for 560 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,200 the foreseeable future, but I don't know if northwestern's 561 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,600 completely crashes a program then then yes, Purdue got the 562 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,200 better end of the deal here but if Northwestern can fight back 563 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,400 to like, 500 level respectability, perhaps, 564 00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:36,100 perhaps, it's actually Indiana, I mean, looking at the rest of 565 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:40,400 the The collections here. I don't know that. 566 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:46,000 I would, well, I gotta say. I don't know. 567 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,200 I mean, I'm looking at it. I mean, if if Indiana didn't 568 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,400 have such a terrible history against Wisconsin, I would 569 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,300 probably vote for Iowa's Trio of Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin, 570 00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:01,700 but beyond that, no, I actually really like what Indiana's got 571 00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:04,000 in front of them as far as their lineup is concerned. 572 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,800 But I think Purdue's is probably the easiest over all of the 573 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,500 group's. Yep, and I agree with you. 574 00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:11,600 I was looking through it's like well you kind of start looking 575 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,200 like our who doesn't have Michigan, who doesn't have a 576 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,400 house. Take a guess at Penn Doesn't 577 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,300 Wisconsin. It, it trims down pretty quickly 578 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,200 I'm with you. I like Iowa's. 579 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,400 But Wisconsin is like a guaranteed loss for us every 580 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,100 year. Yeah. 581 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,400 All told to me, the takeaway is I with you. 582 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,600 This isn't a magic wand, this doesn't suddenly mean we're a 583 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,100 bowl team, because there's more teams, there's more wins. 584 00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:34,200 You got to get in conference, but I think this gives us a 585 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:39,000 better path to success. Now, you got to do it and we 586 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,900 need a quarterback to do that. Well, among other things. 587 00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:43,600 Yes. But now I think well that's 588 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,400 another story for another day, but Ultimately, the big story 589 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,800 here. The Big 10 East is dead. 590 00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:54,600 And may, it lie in disgrace somewhere for the rest of time, 591 00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:59,000 you know, after this upcoming season, no more Big 10 East and 592 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,900 that's that's the headline news for IU fans. 593 00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,000 That's the most exciting aspect of the Soul. 594 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,600 Yep. And I think this open real quick 595 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,500 just an end to 5 minutes here. I do think this opens up. 596 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,100 I think this is kind of a quiet telling that the Big Ten is open 597 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,300 for business for other teams because they didn't set things 598 00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:19,900 in stone. There, weren't divisions there. 599 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,900 There wasn't something that's going to be really hard to 600 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:26,000 unwrap her. Add teams to that's the way I 601 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,700 read it. Two part question for you. 602 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:32,400 Do you agree with me and then just for fun, if the big Ten's 603 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,900 going to add teams, where do you think they add? 604 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:36,300 Eames or What teams do you think they add? 605 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:40,400 Wow, I mean, there's so many moving parts right now. 606 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:47,600 It's, you know, I still think that it's, it's more likely. 607 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,900 If the Big Ten were to add, something it would be as a 608 00:30:49,908 --> 00:30:53,000 result of the ACC, starting to Splinter as opposed to the 609 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:58,600 Pac-12, starting to Splinter. But if the Pac-12 does Splinter, 610 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,700 I do think the Big Ten will be open for business there and 611 00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:03,100 we'll just kind of take what they can get. 612 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:04,900 I think the preference would be to go in a different direction. 613 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,500 Direction. You know, there's some 614 00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:09,500 interesting news about all that. I mean University of Miami is 615 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:13,300 now part of the AAU, not the not the not, the high school 616 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:17,200 basketball association, but the American Association of American 617 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,900 universities, which is kind of seen as a prerequisite for 618 00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:23,000 getting in to the Big Ten, you know? 619 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,600 And that's that might factor into things. 620 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:28,700 You've got all of this back and forth as far as what's going on 621 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:33,300 with ACC grant of rights. But ultimately, the end of the 622 00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:36,800 day, I think. What is really going to factor 623 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,400 in more than anything else? Is what the big 12 ends up doing 624 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,800 and what they're able to pull off, if they really go and get a 625 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,900 couple of teams out of the Pac-12 of Colorado defects. 626 00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:51,100 If Arizona defects suddenly I think you know, Oregon and 627 00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:53,300 Washington are wet right back on the table. 628 00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:57,600 And that if you think about it, now you've got a perfect setup 629 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,900 where each of those three each of those four teams on the west 630 00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:03,700 coast. Suddenly have a protected 631 00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:05,300 rivalry with each. Other. 632 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,900 And now that solves a lot of travel problems that might not 633 00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:12,100 have been there, otherwise. And so, that's that to me, is 634 00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:14,000 probably still the most likely scenario. 635 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,500 Although I know a lot of big, ten presidents, and leaders 636 00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:20,000 probably would prefer to be looking the other direction, 637 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,900 geographically at things. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I'm not 638 00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:25,800 as tightly plugged in as you are. 639 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,600 I just, I look at this as your kind of down to a, it's a battle 640 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,700 between the SEC and the Big 10 and while it isn't totally, this 641 00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:36,700 way, it does feel like the SEC has been making moves. 642 00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:41,000 The Big Ten has been, I don't say reacting, but that's just, 643 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,500 you know, the, the SEC gets Texas and Oklahoma and the Big 644 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:48,300 Ten gets USC and USC, it would, it would be nice in this kind of 645 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,600 war and Tit for Tat for the Big Ten to make a proactive move. 646 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,700 And, you know, go out and get those four teams you mentioned 647 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:57,200 Suddenly It's like, all right balls in your court SEC, like it 648 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,400 just it. I would love to see the Big Ten. 649 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,800 Get aggressive versus if the SEC goes and grabs two schools, then 650 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,600 it's like, all right. The Big Ten again it doesn't I 651 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,900 think that the USC UCLA was a very measured move and a lot of 652 00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:14,500 logic to it but it and so I don't want to say it's reactive 653 00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:17,100 but it's just it it would be nice to see the Big Ten kind of 654 00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:19,600 be proactive and put the SEC on their heels. 655 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:21,900 I don't know. I mean I hear where you're 656 00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:24,200 coming from but I also think that they're playing two 657 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,300 different games right now and we're not both models can work. 658 00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:32,900 I mean the Big Ten is pursuing an NFL style model and the SEC 659 00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:36,300 is pursuing a Different kind of model one. 660 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,500 That's a little more regionally cell in an SEC type model. 661 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,100 Well, it's it it well, but it's not even if you thinking about 662 00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:44,400 more professional comparisons. It is. 663 00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:47,900 It is just a different kind of setup than what you are seeing. 664 00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:49,200 The Big Ten do and we'll see you. 665 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,100 I mean, I think they're both going to be successful. 666 00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:53,900 You're just talking about measures of success at this 667 00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:58,800 point, but yeah, I'm gonna be fascinating anyway, Scott, this 668 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,900 was fun. We'll talk about this, some more 669 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:03,900 as more comes out and I will see you and everybody else in the 670 00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,300 audience. At the LA Coliseum sometime in 671 00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:11,100 2025 when Indiana is taking on Southern California. 672 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,300 I mean, by the way, I'm yeah. Thatthat sounds like a fun trip. 673 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:17,900 I'm in depth but let's go. I mean, it's that's more just to 674 00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:20,300 see the Coliseum. That's not to really see a 675 00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:22,900 competitive football game, you never know. 676 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,500 I I have a sneaking suspicion of these Pac-12 schools aren't 677 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:30,100 really that good which has been borne out with most competitive 678 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:33,300 items the last several years. But yeah. 679 00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:35,900 Anyway like in Riley and USC, I I think they're going to be on a 680 00:34:35,908 --> 00:34:37,500 path a little bit different than I you. 681 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,500 Yeah, we'll see. We've heard that from several 682 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:42,100 other coaches or about several other coaches out there before 683 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:45,699 it's tough to win in the modern game of football. 684 00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:48,400 When you just don't have the same level of recruiting base 685 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,500 that you used to have out there, but that's going to be the 686 00:34:51,507 --> 00:34:54,400 fascinating part. So anyway, I great. 687 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,100 We won. We won one big 10 game in two 688 00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:56,900 years. Yeah, I agree. 689 00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:58,500 It's tough to win, I'm never mind. 690 00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:00,400 Anyway, all right. Well, I know you're talking 691 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,300 about, you will wrap it up. So for Scott, I'm Galen. 692 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:04,800 Thanks for joining us here on Crimson Castle. 693 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:10,100 Cast as we will bring you more news events warrant and we'll 694 00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,000 see what happens with the scheduling as we move forward. 695 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,200 Thanks to all you folks for joining us. 696 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,000 Thanks to our presenting sponsor home field apparel and thanks to 697 00:35:16,008 --> 00:35:18,500 our friends. At the back home network will 698 00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:20,200 catch you folks on the flip side. 699 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,800 Bring back the Bison. 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