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Welcome back to Crimson Cass. 

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Hail Claudius, got Caulfield 
joining me here on the show. 

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It is selection Sunday, March 
12th. 20:23 is Indiana enters 

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today, for the first time in a 
while, and assured NCAA 

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tournament selection a top half 
of the bracket team, maybe even 

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a top quarter of the bracket 
team, as the Hoosiers, despite a

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very disappointing loss. 
Yesterday in the semi-finals of 

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the Big Ten. 
Tournament finish off the 

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regular season with a 22 and 11 
record. 

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We're going to talk about the 
game that happened yesterday. 

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Where a Talk about overall 
feelings of essentially, the the

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first part of the postseason 
done and the the regular season 

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like now, completely over with, 
and we'll also talk a little bit

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about some of the things to keep
in mind as we get closer to 

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selection time here today. 
Scott, good to see you. 

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Happy Daylight Savings day. 
How are things with you? 

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Good? 
I'm very, very good. 

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It's snowing. 
He, I don't know what it's like 

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in Bloomington. 
We have snow last night, we have

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like, you know, a full White 
Cover gets wild. 

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We don't have quite that much 
here. 

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We have a small dusting but it 
really didn't even dust. 

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It was like someone didn't 
completely sweep, the floor, you

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know? 
But yeah, no, not the most 

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Pleasant thing to wake up to in 
the middle of March are always 

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like, hey, I'd like sunshine and
warmer temperatures but in 

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Indiana, you're not always going
to get that. 

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This time of year, we can leave 
a, a trivia report to the end of

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the pods. 
And if people unsocial got very 

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interested in the, the trivia 
night last night, which was fun 

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finished. 
But we're with a group, and a 

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friend of ours, Megan who's very
fun, and says wild stuff 

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sometimes just like, we're like 
talking about the daylight 

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saving. 
She's like, oh, is that the good

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one or the bad one? 
It's a slightly not making. 

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It's a bad one. 
Like tomorrow's, the bad one. 

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See, I gotta say that, you know,
it's the bad one and that you 

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lose an hour of actual sleep 
time. 

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But I actually think that the 
result is good because it does 

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mean that there's going to be 
more Daylight and the daylight 

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L-last later, you know, I know, 
I know that's so I'll I'll 

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always accept that it's not that
bad for eating your vegetables 

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like it's right bad today but 
it's like it'll be good in the 

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Long Haul. 
It's like we're whereas the one 

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in the fall is, you know, it's 
like eating dessert. 

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Like it tasted good at the time 
and then you realize all of a 

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sudden, hey, it's going to be 
really bad for the next four 

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months of my days. 
My dad gone. 

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Yes, exactly. 
So anyway, the Crimson cast 

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Well Scott, we, you know, we 
talked pessimistically on Friday

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morning about Indiana's game 
against Maryland and Indiana 

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came out and really surprised Us
by taking control of the game in

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the second half and to some 
degree cruising to a 

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double-digit victory. 
That is not what happened. 

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Yesterday, in fact, the exact 
opposite happened. 

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We praised Indiana. 
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like the matchup. 
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We thought that they would take 
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instead, they immediately looked
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heels against this Penn State 
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Well, maybe not immediately, but
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Mark that we always see Penn 
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After the under-16 timeout goes 
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lead and you can't say they 
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Indiana did fight their way back
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Once with, you know, about 10 
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and then again at the very end 
of the game, but they were both 

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efforts for not as Penn State 
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Indiana on the Reason, they went
70, 72 73, Scott, what were your

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takeaways from this game? 
They if I was, you know, as 

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people turn on the last pod, 
like I went to a wine tasting 

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with some friends. 
I was watching the game on my 

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phone. 
I would say there was about to 

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other people 11 we bumped into. 
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will sidebars and Cooper's Hawk 
and Indie and like we bumped it 

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it's like oh sorry Simpson 
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Hold my phone watching the game 
with all the guys around me. 

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And then like the lady, I bumped
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And she had her phone out. 
And she was watching the, the 

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game as well. 
The shoes Sally at Purdue fan 

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routing is so many Purdue fans 
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It's bothersome like, we need to
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So I don't have the most 
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some will say, I never do, if I 
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have the game log, it has like 
it keeps track of like the win 

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percentage of the game. 
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yep, with Indiana was up 5:48, 
they were a 75% chance of 

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winning the game which is 
whatever it's like five minutes 

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in. 
But too often in these games are

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win. 
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that by middle of the first half
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means they're more probable to 
win and it's like it just never 

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gets back to our side which 
obviously does happen when you 

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lose the game. 
But you feel this way in a lot 

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of these losses Wears Like Penn 
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up by 10 and then it's kind of 
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same and like we kind of just 
never never really call Black 

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and fight to get there in these 
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And then, yeah, we fought back a
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It's very similar of like the 
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it really was like a 10-point 
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Got a 16-2 to run at the end, is
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I get a in a three minute span, 
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at it and, you know, the three 
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I do want to keep harping on 
three-point shooting but you 

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know, you shoot 14% 2414. three 
that's abnormal for Indiana Penn

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State kind of shot normally but 
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thoughts on this but it is true 
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unfortunately this is this team 
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this is the way this team plays 
at times and they they let other

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teams get control of the game 
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and they let it happen too often
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where suddenly Only now it's 
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253 with five minutes to go and 
it's like all right now we got 

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to mount a comeback. 
It's like all right well there 

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was 20 minutes before that you 
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not just let Penn State kind of 
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let the game slip away. 
So those are overall High 

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thoughts. 
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But, you know, it is, it's not 
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And you know, what, why should 
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the Big Ten Championship gaming.
This is it's fun. 

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All the thought we had, he was a
good to play there. 

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Do you want to know Fresh for 
March like, well guess what? 

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We don't get to do that another 
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No Big Ten championship game and
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but we still have a tournament 
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Yeah, I mean, well, a lot to 
unpack there, but it's I'll sum 

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up my thoughts, I guess overall,
on the game by the following the

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game didn't matter in in any you
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honestly like even if through 
some you know largely unlikely 

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series of Ants. 
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I don't think that the game' 
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It certainly didn't help but you
know this game happened 

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relatively late in the process 
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if I use a five seed, I still 
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but if they are five that they 
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into the game, you know. 
So I don't think that if they 

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lost a whole lot on that front 
on the flip side, you know, even

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though the game didn't matter, 
this was a game that Indiana 

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didn't have an excuse in my 
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They were tentative, you know, 
they looked afraid to shoot the 

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ball. 
They didn't play with the 

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defensive intensity that they 
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game, and I'm not going to buy 
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were tired because Penn State 
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Stated played two games in a 
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really shines through to me. 
Penn State as we've discussed is

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one of the worst is not a lot of
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The worst offensive rebounding 
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This is a this is a Penn State 
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structure offensively is. 
We're going to try to take high 

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percentage shots and not turn 
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We don't get offensive rebounds 
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free-throw line. 
What did Indiana do in this? 

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They let Penn State grab nine 
offensive rebounds for a 

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percentage of 28.1% which is if 
you look at like, Penn State's 

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average offensive, rebounding 
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It's about 18 percent. 
So this is a significant 

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statistical threshold over what 
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No, it's funny because I'm 
sitting there with my friends 

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watching on my phone. 
I'm like, you know, this is 

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telling people like this is the 
worst offensive rebounding team 

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in the country. 
Like I'm talking about, you 

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know, what, you guys talk on the
pot. 

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I talk about that. 
Like, I feel good about that as.

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And then, as the game is going 
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It's like out offensive rebound.
After offensive rebound are kind

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of looking at me. 
Like, are you sure? 

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That's test. 
Yeah, you got that. 

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Your podcasts, right? 
You're making me look, bad. 

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Do you guys clean your glasses 
before you read that 

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spreadsheet? 
Ya know what my buddies? 

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Like, that's another offensive 
rebound, dude. 

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Like a bow. 
Like I know, like, I know. 

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Where is it? 
Yeah, well, I'm here. 

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And the problem, and the problem
was, again, it was an effort 

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thing. 
It really was, it was, you know,

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I'm because I you does a pretty 
good job like they're they're 

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they're, you know, it's not a 
top-line thing with them but 

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they're pretty good at keeping 
opponents off, the offensive 

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glass, but they have not done a 
good job of keeping opponents 

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off the Since of glass as of 
late and it showed in this game.

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And it was, I think probably the
greatest harbinger of the 

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problems that were going to 
happen throughout the course of 

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the game. 
When we started to see Penn 

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State grab those, the other 
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do is get to the free-throw 
line, they coming into the game,

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they were the worst team in the 
country in terms of free-throw 

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rate. 
This is just not a team that 

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they don't drive to the bucket. 
They don't get to the free-throw

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line. 
What did Indiana allow them to 

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do? 
Do they allowed them to, like, 

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normally their free throw rate 
as a team is, let me get the 

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number of here. 21.2. 
That means that, that's not 

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great. 
Like, you know, Indiana's by 

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comparison is 30 and they're not
great either. 

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So what is Penn State do? 
They go to the free-throw line 

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and they shoot what was the 
final total in this game, Scott?

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That it was they were 23 of 26 
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all three of their conference 
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have gotten to the free-throw 
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But again, like that's not part 
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defensive, rotations fouling 
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aggressive and go get themselves
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State was doing what they needed
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They were very Gage defensively 
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Not just let's score. 
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phallus, let's make the most of 
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Indiana. 
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They again, it's not a primary 
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at least something that happens.
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line, nearly, as much as Penn 
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kind of the relative lack of 
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game versus what the Nittany 
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No rotations, there's that one 
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key pick-and-roll, and they just
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open dunk and again that's just 
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That's just paying attention 
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And those things shouldn't be 
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tournament game at the end of 
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tournament in March which yes 
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State change. 
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team full of top-level recruits 
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Atlantic. 
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So it's not like that guy's even
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long and yet Penn State look 
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plan and they look like they 
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execute that plan that Indiana 
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mention this yesterday, about 
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Northwestern than Penn State 
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Wasn't what did it for them? 
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from three Penn State. 
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the game they finished. 84 for 
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figured out how to shut that 
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the will and that was bothersome
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That's what I'm saying. 
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game for Penn State and more 
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And frankly, whether it was Penn
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would have lost this game with 
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out? 
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this team. 
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to allow a team as at a lesser 
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them throughout the course of a 
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essentially what you saw and you
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has become as well as I you 
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I feel like we've kind of been 
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last month, but this is the 
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Anna has allowed themselves to 
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these games and their innate 
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exception of the game at Purdue 
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were they did bring that level 
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Iowa even the game at home 
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home against Michigan. 
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I you had every Advantage but 
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the end, the closing minutes in 
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to piece together effort, enough
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able to come up with the Victory
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a couple of game efforts to come
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have that reservoir of effort. 
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of all this, this is this team 
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because it felt like they had 
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of feels like you just don't 
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bothered enough to give a full 
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Versus when they're just going 
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for this series of possessions 
or till the next time out and it

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quickly spirals away from them 
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What's frustrating is you go 
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game and again, the Ken Palm win
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similar in the second half goes 
to Penn State's, I'd never comes

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back but you know, you look at 
that game and Penn State goes 

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the line only four times, you 
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1831 from three and it would be 
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know, jail and pick it just went
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He didn't go nuts in that game 
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all right, this is they hit a 
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beat us last night by hitting a 
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seed in the tournament, and this
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Penn State. 
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team. 
It's it's a bad look when they 

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beat you two different ways. 
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be different if they just came 
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percent from three again, it's 
like, all right. 

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Well, that team just that team 
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figure out or we need more time 
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But they've now beaten us two 
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different ways which to me 
that's that's not a great look 

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when again. you're talking about
a 9 10 C to be different if you 

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know it was Purdue or a team of 
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Point that's that's really the 
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can see from our end were not, 
you know, not playing not in the

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coaching staff but it at the end
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felt like Indiana started, 
putting some pressure on Penn 

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State Penn State made a ton of 
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great run there at the end and 
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like It was some of this 
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ago. 
Like, it felt like that India 

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was kind of just, you know, 
where they were both an 

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agreement. 
Like, we're just trying to run 

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the clock out and get this. 
It's like a, you know, when my 

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six-year-old plays basketball, 
like everyone's wants to get out

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of the gym because it's like bad
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It's like, well, it felt like if
you would have done some of this

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or put on some pressure, you 
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going, they're going to make 
some Penn State is going to make

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some mistakes. 
But yeah, I think you said it 

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perfectly. 
It's like at times they feel 

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like they're not even you know 
they're not bothered to do that.

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It's Like, kind of like they're 
just well, it's bizarre, it's 

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frustrating because it does feel
like, if you guys could just 

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lock in for five or six minutes 
after halftime, you can get this

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to a, you know, a tied game and 
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Penn State. 
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the larger issue for me, is this
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so tentative in these moments? 
It doesn't make a lot of sense. 

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I look, I get it, we talked 
about it, you know, February's 

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grind. 
It's hard to maintain intensity 

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40 minutes night. 
In and night out, you're going 

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to have Ebbs and flows your 
opponent will as well. 

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Yeah, I think everybody 
everybody with a reasonable 

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basketball mind understands the 
talent that this group has even 

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missing Xavier Johnson, you 
know, even with some of the 

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different things that have 
happened, it's a very talented 

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group, but this has been their 
calling card for For Better or 

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For Worse over the course of 
really, the last decade has 

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been. 
You just don't see The level of 

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intensity where it needs to be 
in important moments from 

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Indiana, basketball. 
And, you know, you look at other

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programs that have success, the 
program's Indiana wants to 

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emulate and, you know, Shirley 
I'm, you know, I'm sure 

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individual fans would say, well,
if you watch them every time, 

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you're going to see similar 
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I look at, I look at a lot of 
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I look at the level of intensity
that they bring to the table and

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then I look at what Indiana 
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quite there in school. 
Like Purdue like yeah, we're 

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tight. 
In the game. 

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Like it's like that's a Workman 
like team. 

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That's a that's a team that 
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Purdue, but they came to came to
Chicago and got their work done.

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Yeah. 
I mean and and we've seen them 

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do it in spurts. 
We see them do it in spurts and 

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ever game it into different 
spurts in the game against Penn 

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State, you know. 
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either Purdue game or the 
Rutgers game at home and there's

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several other games that kind of
fit into this mix. 

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Like when this team is active 
and engaged, it's among the best

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in the country and I don't say 
that lightly. 

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They've got all the pieces and, 
you know, I think it's really 

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interesting because this year, I
think in previous years Trace, 

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Jackson Davis was to some degree
part of the effort problem. 

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In key moments like he would 
tend to shrink from the moment 

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he if you shut him down, he 
wouldn't get himself fully 

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engaged that has ceased. 
Being the case, I mean, you look

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at race tracks and Davis's 
performances over the course of 

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this season, especially down the
stretch and he has brought it in

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big moments. 
I mean he's going to walk out of

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the last Part of this season, 
the last four games of the 

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regular season. 
Having scored 26 27, 24 and 24 

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points incomes for consecutive 
games, but and he sounded 

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frankly exasperated by his team 
after the game. 

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I mean, some of the quotes that 
he had about, you know, we can't

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be afraid to shoot from outside,
which we've heard him say 

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several times. 
Like we there's no reason for us

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to be playing tentative you know
and you know we can't place 

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scared. 
He said I thought overall we 

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played kind of tentative Weren't
shooting the ball when we could 

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have been. 
This is the problem with this 

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Indiana team over and over 
again. 

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And it's really kind of 
inexplicable. 

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You Know, Tamar Bates deserves a
ton of credit for actually 

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coming in and taking some shots 
yesterday. 

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And after I think a couple of 
questionable efforts, he really 

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settled in and was the reason 
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the end to begin with Malik, 
renew came in and wasn't 

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tentative, was willing to go and
put up shots, and yeah, he had a

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couple of poor Plays. 
But overall, in the time that he

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was allowed to play, I thought 
really perform well, then he 

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just inexplicably disappeared 
for the last 12 minutes of the 

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game, but the core players 
outside of Trace Jackson, Davis.

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And to be fair, I don't think 
Jalen Hurd Trevino had an effort

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issue, yesterday, just to get an
off game, which he has been want

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to do at times, but the other 
starters, race Thompson, Miller 

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cop tray, Galloway, really like 
that's become the big question 

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mark with this team. 
It's like can those Free play at

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a sufficiently high level of 
intensity and focus, where 

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Indiana gets a flow going and 
there were some other quotes. 

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Forget it was Jackson Davis or 
Woodson. 

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That said, this in the postgame 
press conference about, you 

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know, the when something bad 
starts to happen, you know, the 

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team really suffers in other 
areas and we again it's 

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something we've talked about a 
bunch. 

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If this this team's just got a 
weird psychology about them and 

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It reminds, I mean, it honestly 
reminds me a lot of those 

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late-era night teams, you know 
that like, 96 to 2000, where you

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knew they were talented, you'd 
see them play, great, individual

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games, where they beat know, 
number one teams, or they beat 

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teams in the top 10 and then 
they'd turn around and they'd 

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have just these long stretches 
where they looked like they 

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didn't know what they were doing
or how they were supposed to be 

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doing it. 
And it's like, like hat. 

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Like why is that? 
It's one of the things that made

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the 2002 IU. 
Team, such a revelation, was 

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that that team? 
Even though they were 

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occasionally subject to those 
sorts of swoons, you know, when 

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that when they got important for
that team, especially in the 

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tournament, they really focused 
maybe this team ends up doing 

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that in the tournament. 
But I'm I don't like the trends 

444
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,700
here down the last month of the 
season and this game has 

445
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:25,300
relatively meaningless. 
As it was was so frustrating 

446
00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:28,400
because this was a chance for 
this group to do that and 

447
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,900
actually put themselves in a 
position to win something. 

448
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,300
Well, I think it's a little bit 
different that I think you're 

449
00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:38,000
good on the, the end era of 
night teams. 

450
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,700
But I look at this team and 
those teams made a lot of 

451
00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:45,700
mistakes and these teams make 
mistakes, but it just it, it's 

452
00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:48,700
such a feel thing where it's 
like, they just, they let other 

453
00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:53,100
teams get so comfortable and 
it's like, they're okay, kind 

454
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:56,700
of, you know, over a ten minute 
span, just kind of keep it, you 

455
00:23:56,700 --> 00:24:00,100
know, where it's at or it's like
they just get get down by 9 or 

456
00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:03,800
10 and then just Stay there and 
it feels like it's just kind of 

457
00:24:03,808 --> 00:24:07,100
like we're cool just kind of 
going through the motions and at

458
00:24:07,108 --> 00:24:09,400
times when I've been making 
mistakes or just kind of not 

459
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:12,600
putting a lot of pressure on 
other teams and they let other 

460
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,800
teams get so, comfortable, where
they're at, it's frustrating. 

461
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,800
Know, and you're right that this
would have been a night. 

462
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,200
And this is, you know, when you 
talk about marks and I to always

463
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,300
talk about like it's, you know, 
you just want to give yourself 

464
00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:28,000
more advanced in the tournament 
and then, hopefully some years 

465
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,700
things will break your way. 
When you look at the Big Ten 

466
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:33,800
Tournament of which Get it at 
bat every year, you know you 

467
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,800
couldn't have asked for the 
tournament to kind of break any 

468
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,900
better you're doing instead of 
playing Minnesota. 

469
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:41,900
It's like you got the lowest 
possible seed in the semifinal 

470
00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:44,400
round. 
And yeah, of course if a team 

471
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,700
gets their, that means they're 
playing. 

472
00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:47,500
Okay? 
But this is, you know, the st. 

473
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:50,000
Peter's Purdue thing. 
It's like, yes, a peers are 

474
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,600
playing great. 
It's like they're still a 15 

475
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,500
seat. 
That's still a flawed team. 

476
00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:56,900
They were, you know, Penn State 
was a 10 seed for a reason they 

477
00:24:56,900 --> 00:25:01,700
played more games, you know, 
this was the best you have Have 

478
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,600
a 90% home crowd in Chicago. 
Everyone's fired up, people are 

479
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,000
already excited for that 
possible. 

480
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,900
Purdue matchup. 
And it's like everything broke 

481
00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:13,500
your way for a great tournament 
run and you didn't capitalize. 

482
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:17,000
And that's the frustrating part,
is we finally got an at-bat 

483
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,700
where things broke our way and 
we didn't not even, they didn't 

484
00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:22,000
didn't win, or didn't 
capitalize. 

485
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,500
It's like you just you, you you 
got down on that run by pending 

486
00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:30,300
whatever that, you know, 13-2 
run by Penn State and then it 

487
00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:32,900
again, I don't want to say like,
Opera just do the felt like you 

488
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:35,700
were just, you were cool being 
down 10 and I say that because 

489
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:39,000
then from 10 minutes of the 
first half until three minutes 

490
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,300
to go in the game, you're 
downtown the whole time. 

491
00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:45,200
Well, go all except for that one
period in the in the middle of 

492
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,900
second half with it, came back 
and tied it. 

493
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:49,800
But the but to your point it's 
like, hey great, hey, we 

494
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,400
accomplished something and then 
it right went right back to a 

495
00:25:52,408 --> 00:25:55,400
double-digit deficit and I don't
know. 

496
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,800
I mean it's one of those things 
again where it's easy to over 

497
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,400
react to these sorts of 
performances, and Say but then 

498
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,000
it's easy to go the other 
direction afterwards and say 

499
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,300
well I was upset in the moment 
but I guess it didn't matter 

500
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:09,700
that much. 
They'll get it together. 

501
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,400
But I feel like we keep saying 
that about this team like, you 

502
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,400
know, like it's like the season 
like we're now at the end. 

503
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:18,100
Yeah, this is the, this is the 
game, is the game is a 

504
00:26:18,108 --> 00:26:20,700
microcosm, the season. 
Like and we're, we're the end. 

505
00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:22,900
Now, there's just, this is the 
time you got to do that 62 to 

506
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:26,500
run and we know when you think 
about it, it's like, yes, this 

507
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:28,300
team is affected by the loss, is
David Johnson. 

508
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:30,400
We've talked about that. 
It's not as good of a team as it

509
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,300
would be without it, but it's 
still. 

510
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,800
A pretty good team and, you 
know, I'm just curious. 

511
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,800
Like, what's, what's the issue 
with the guys that are plug 

512
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,800
getting regular minutes? 
It's, it's just, it's a little 

513
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,100
bit strange. 
I mean, we know Miller cop is 

514
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:49,300
just very hot and cold. 
I mean over the course of the 

515
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:51,900
last three games he's made. 
Actually the over the course of 

516
00:26:51,908 --> 00:26:57,200
the last four games, he's made 
three total three-pointers and 

517
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,600
he's only in those four games 
taken 13, Total so he's 

518
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,700
averaging just like barely over 
three game that that's and it's 

519
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:10,000
not like that's the only time 
he's been throwing the ball but,

520
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,800
you know, he's not he seems to 
have to have everything perfect 

521
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,400
Before. 
He'll want to put a shot up in a

522
00:27:15,408 --> 00:27:17,800
game like Penn State. 
You've got to be able to just 

523
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,800
grab it and let it go at least a
couple more times because it 

524
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,700
ends up. 
If you don't do that, allowing 

525
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:27,600
Penn State to play a very base 
level of Defense, where they 

526
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,400
don't have to bother with 
guarding the perimeter, you 

527
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,900
know, and That's where tomorrow 
Bates really did have the chance

528
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:35,700
to make a little bit of a 
difference and it's to some 

529
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,200
degree. 
I think why cop didn't play a 

530
00:27:37,208 --> 00:27:40,100
whole lot down the stretch in 
this game, you know, Trey 

531
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:43,100
Galloway. 
I'm very real quick on cop. 

532
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:45,600
It's like the other thing too is
he's also not and this is not an

533
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,800
ox like we want more out of him 
like outside of the the you know

534
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:52,500
62 point shots he attempted 
against Penn State the rest of 

535
00:27:52,508 --> 00:27:55,800
his lines since you know the 
Northwestern lost at home. 

536
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:01,900
It's like to 1024 251. 
Like those are his Temps from 

537
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:05,200
to, he's not shooting a lot. 
Yeah, so it's like and he's a 

538
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,300
great again, he's a good 
three-point shooter, he's not 

539
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:08,600
doing that a lot. 
It's like, all right. 

540
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,100
I can make up for that of maybe 
he's like pump faking, you know,

541
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,800
driving in and taking that mid 
range which he's does sometimes 

542
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,100
were driving to the hole. 
But he's he's not even doing 

543
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:20,200
that like a stat line again, you
know, to, to to point field goal

544
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,400
shots. 
And then three, you know, the 

545
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,700
line against Iowa, where they 
lost, he was 2 for 4, from 2041 

546
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:28,300
from three. 
It's like, he's takes five 

547
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:31,100
shots. 
That's not enough for you. 

548
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:34,600
When he's tries hard, he's good 
at rebounding at times but he's 

549
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,400
not just going to be your best 
defender on the other side. 

550
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,700
So if he's not bringing it all 
fensively again, it's like 

551
00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:44,800
you're kind of highlighting his 
weaknesses by just focusing the 

552
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,800
rest of it on defense because 
that's not where he's going to 

553
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,100
bring the most impact on the 
game. 

554
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,000
Trey Galloway in his last four 
games is 5 for 21. 

555
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,700
From the field for 13 total 
points with one made three. 

556
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:03,300
And this is I mean coming off of
a They're at Michigan State and 

557
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:05,800
then at home versus Purdue where
he scored double figures in both

558
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,200
games and was really integral 
across the board. 

559
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:12,300
It's been some pretty 
disappointing performances out 

560
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:16,200
of tray and you know, this is 
again, I mean, we see this a lot

561
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,400
with Trey, like, if you go back 
and look earlier on in the 

562
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,700
season, like he had a stretch 
and Indiana won three of the 

563
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:24,200
four but you know, the Rutgers 
Michigan Northwestern Illinois, 

564
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,800
stretch. 
He only had 16 points total in 

565
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,100
those four games. 
And, you know, this is a guy 

566
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,700
Why? 
If you're going to start at the 

567
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:36,600
to, you have to be a more of an 
offensive threat consistently, 

568
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,400
or you have to be Distributing 
the basketball better, and 

569
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,900
really he did neither in either 
of these games. 

570
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:45,600
He's really looked off almost to
the point that I'm wondering if 

571
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,600
he's injured, and it hasn't been
reported because he just hasn't 

572
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,500
quite looked himself. 
He's not playing the same number

573
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:55,700
of minutes that you know, and 
then you got race Thompson, who 

574
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:59,400
generally does enough in terms 
of putting things on the table 

575
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,200
where you're like, okay, well 
I'm glad that Race Thompson was 

576
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,900
there he ended up scoring 10 
points. 

577
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:06,600
He was Indiana's, third leading 
scorer yesterday, but he also 

578
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,700
just had a bunch of mistakes 
and, and questionable judgment 

579
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:14,200
calls, and some of it was 
Defensive oriented with 

580
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,300
rotation. 
Some of it was just straight up,

581
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:20,000
turn over issues or just not 
making the right decisions on 

582
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,000
things, you know, we've seen all
three of those players play at 

583
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,500
higher levels and what concerns 
me is. 

584
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,200
You've got Trace Jackson Davis 
playing at a high level, you've 

585
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,500
got Jalen at your feet. 
No kind of going wax on wax off 

586
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:38,000
with the the Great Performances.
But this is where Indiana can 

587
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,600
look dominant one day and can 
look like an incredibly 

588
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,100
pedestrian. 
Like borderline not in the NCAA 

589
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:46,300
team. 
The next that does not bode well

590
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:51,100
for the actual NCAA tournament 
Scott and you just have to, you 

591
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:52,000
have to wonder it. 
Give me. 

592
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,300
Where does this team actually 
get it together or is, I mean 

593
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,200
like well go ahead, please. 
No, I mean it doesn't I'm not 

594
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,900
sure I agree with this but just 
trying to take Kind of the glass

595
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:04,400
half-full side of things is 
something. 

596
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,900
We've also talked about is this 
is, you know, unfortunately, 

597
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:13,400
this Indiana team does a couple 
things really well. 

598
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:16,500
And as we said like Jalen hoods 
Ruffino and Trace Jackson Davis 

599
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:18,800
or unique players, and they're 
both fantastic players. 

600
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,900
But past that it becomes kind of
a, you know, are these guys 

601
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:25,200
going to be able to do it or 
they going to show up and 

602
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,000
normally it's like you're your 
if you get a, you know, two and 

603
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,400
a half good performances out of 
those three guys. 

604
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,800
You're in a really Lee good 
spot. 

605
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,900
If you get one and a half, it's 
going to be tight. 

606
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:35,700
And if you're just getting, you 
know, pieces here and there, 

607
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:39,400
it's not going to be a great day
and all the teams in the Big Ten

608
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,700
know that he or so. 
Well, scouted and so this is 

609
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,400
kind of like the end of a 
deathmatch. 

610
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Obviously, you know, because 
Penn State knows all this 

611
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,300
everybody in the Big Ten knows 
all of this. 

612
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:52,500
There is a world, again, trying 
to be optimistic where a lot of 

613
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:55,600
teams in the NCAA tournament. 
Are they will you know, they 

614
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,700
will scouted us they will have 
seen us but it's different when 

615
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:00,400
you are now playing Trace 
Jackson Davis. 

616
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,000
It's like oh wow. 
This Can do a lot of stuff. 

617
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,100
Like I see it on tape, but I 
haven't seen it in person. 

618
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:07,300
Whereas, Penn State has seen it,
you know, only once this year, 

619
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,200
it's not that again, my 
arguments not funny, part, a 

620
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,600
little bit of the only ones, but
they seen it, you know, multiple

621
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,700
years. 
That that's my hope. 

622
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:17,700
Is that I do think we're an odd 
team to Scout or a tough team. 

623
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:19,900
When you see it in person, it's 
like, wow, this is a lot 

624
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:21,800
different. 
And then we have two guys that 

625
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,100
I'm not sure a lot of other 
teams can handle. 

626
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:27,200
I think that what we're running 
into is that in the Big Ten? 

627
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,600
It's just so well scouted that 
they teams, the Big Ten know, 

628
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,500
you know. 
They've already lost, you know, 

629
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:37,600
they .1 .2, .3 of already been 
taken away and they're doing, 

630
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,500
you know, fourth, fifth thing 
and pushing everything into 

631
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:42,000
those. 
You know, guys aren't with three

632
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,100
names so that that's my pop, my 
Outlook. 

633
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,800
But yeah, I mean that the, 
there's the negative side to we 

634
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,200
can get to but that's the 
positive way to look at this is 

635
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,700
again, this team can still look 
really good and, you know, other

636
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:58,600
teams don't quite know how to 
handle it at first. 

637
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,300
This team can, you know, get a 
nice Little run and get a lead 

638
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:05,700
in and then if maybe teams don't
know how to do the next reaction

639
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:08,400
in the next reaction, and you, 
hopefully, we'll see more of 

640
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,200
that in March because you're 
playing teams that just haven't 

641
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,900
seen you or scouted you as much 
as you getting in the Big Ten. 

642
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:17,200
I mean that's the hope I am 
right? 

643
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,800
And we've China we have talked 
about it and maybe that's right.

644
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,600
Know maybe maybe it's just a but
I guess the, what the problem I 

645
00:33:24,608 --> 00:33:27,400
have with that is that everybody
knows trait, well, I've heard, 

646
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,200
but it's I've heard that from a 
lot of other people. 

647
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,200
I've even said us, but not sure 
I agree with. 

648
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,700
I just saying we don't like the 
Big Ten scouting, the hell out 

649
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:37,300
of Trace Jackson Davis and 
scheming against him and he's 

650
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:39,500
still putting up 20-plus points 
tonight. 

651
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:42,100
Wasn't him? 
Jalen Hurd should be no is still

652
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:43,700
getting open. 
Looks he hit them against 

653
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:47,300
Maryland, he did and hit them 
against Penn State. 

654
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:49,800
What worries me is the third 
fourth, and fifth options, the 

655
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,800
things that should technically 
be open have been non-functional

656
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:56,300
in a lot of these games and you 
know that was what was what 

657
00:33:56,300 --> 00:34:00,000
hidden Deanna against Penn State
was that you got essentially 

658
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,300
very little out of Miller cop, 
you got basically nothing out of

659
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:10,000
Trey Galloway, you got, you 
know, maybe you know, a barely 

660
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,500
something on the positive met 
side from race Thompson. 

661
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:15,100
If you take everything into 
account, you know, Anna did 

662
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:17,500
manage to get some good 
performances off their bench But

663
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:21,500
ultimately the lack of 
production from those other 

664
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:24,199
positions was what did Indiana 
and when you compare it to what 

665
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,300
Penn State got out of those same
positions. 

666
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:30,300
So let me now take the bit of 
the the - Siders the 

667
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:32,699
pessimistic. 
Glass-half-empty side that you 

668
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:36,199
know you could say since 
February 15th just been it's 

669
00:34:36,207 --> 00:34:39,000
basically been a month. 
You know this team has been win 

670
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,600
one lose one. 
Well I guess just the way you 

671
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:42,600
lose Northwest, you know, beat 
Michigan. 

672
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,500
They rode losing Northwestern 
Illinois. 

673
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,199
Oi fish, Michigan State win, at 
Purdue lose, I win win, lose win

674
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,000
lose, we lose. 
I guess you have a win-win with 

675
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000
the end of the Maryland. 
The first met you know in 

676
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,500
Michigan game in the first 
Maryland game. 

677
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:55,900
And you know you could just say 
this is kind of what this team 

678
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:57,900
has fallen into. 
Like they had a nice run there 

679
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:00,800
from the January 14th of 
February 11th, a nice month 

680
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,400
where they went you know, five 
six eight and one. 

681
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:09,500
And then you know, now they're 
kind of a 500 team and this, you

682
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:12,500
know, we talked to Jared earlier
in the week and his kind of 

683
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:14,400
final assessment was ringing in 
my ear. 

684
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:16,200
Last night was, you know, he's 
like, well I think we'll 

685
00:35:16,207 --> 00:35:18,500
probably, you know, go 1-1 in 
the Big 10 and 11 in the 

686
00:35:18,508 --> 00:35:22,600
tournament and you know, I 
didn't, I didn't want to hear 

687
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,600
that. 
I do kind of agree with them and

688
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,400
it would be bowed out. 
It bore out correctly here in 

689
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,300
the Big Ten tournament and you 
know, if we're being honest with

690
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:33,400
ourselves, this team does have a
high level. 

691
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,000
This team had a very nice run in
the middle part of the Big Ten, 

692
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,600
not taking that away, but for 
the last month, just like during

693
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,000
that stretch from Wisconsin to 
Michigan, where they One you 

694
00:35:45,008 --> 00:35:47,700
know eight eight of nine. 
We had to kind of say look this 

695
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:50,200
team is really different, 
they're putting together a run 

696
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,000
in the last month since February
15th. 

697
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,500
This team has been a 500 team 
and they win when they lose one 

698
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:57,300
and that's kind of what this 
team is. 

699
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:00,300
And you know I don't know if 
we're gonna have enough time to 

700
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:03,600
shake it and turn back into that
team that wins eight of nine. 

701
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:07,400
But it feels like this is kind 
of what this team has settled 

702
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,700
into is a team that can kind of,
you know, like like he said, 

703
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:14,400
Jay, let you know, kind of be on
and off this is, that's yeah. 

704
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,400
Probably where we might end in 
March as it's one. 

705
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,700
And one that we're kind of just 
win one lose one will, that's 

706
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:20,900
what we are right now as a team,
if you look at. 

707
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:24,000
And again, we've talked about 
these comparisons before, if 

708
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,500
you, if you take the period, 
from a month ago, let's use 

709
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:32,400
February 11th to today. 
And you look at these tortex. 

710
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:36,700
Let's look at the tempeh free 
stats for just that time 

711
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:40,900
Indiana's performance over that 
time, period ranks 84th in the 

712
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:44,400
country, which is around the 
same level as Illinois. 

713
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,800
Oi as Wisconsin as Oklahoma 
State, a seat in the hall. 

714
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:53,100
They're all kind of in that same
cluster and Indiana, where their

715
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:55,800
problems have really Fallen is 
that they have, they're not 

716
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,200
scoring the ball efficiently. 
They're adjusted offensive 

717
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,900
efficiency, efficiency in that 
periods. 112th, their effective 

718
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:05,200
field goal percentage, has 
dropped to Fifty Point three 

719
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,400
percent which is 192nd in the 
country. 

720
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,600
They're not rebounding 
effectively. 

721
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,500
Either offensively or 
defensively, they're not 

722
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:16,000
generating. 
His, you know what they are 

723
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,600
doing? 
Well, is they're still playing 

724
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,200
really good. 
Defense their opponents, 

725
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,800
effective field goal, percentage
is, you know, under 50%, which 

726
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,800
is pretty awesome. 
But everything else that they're

727
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,200
doing right now is essentially 
just holding on in games. 

728
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,400
And, you know, it's weird. 
I mean, they're perform like the

729
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,200
84th best team in the country 
during that time period, but 

730
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,900
they are wins against bubble, 
like they're winds above 

731
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,400
expectation. 
Essentially, for a bubble level 

732
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,400
team has been among the best in 
the country. 

733
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:46,400
Three their 28th in the country 
in that stretch. 

734
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,500
So, there's this is where this 
this team is a tough nut to 

735
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:51,900
crack. 
Because statistically, they have

736
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:54,800
become a really, really 
pedestrian basketball team. 

737
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:58,300
And, you know, they would, you 
know, but then, by the same 

738
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:02,700
token, they have figured out a 
way to win games, that they, 

739
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:04,600
otherwise would have lost 
statistically. 

740
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,300
They can keep it close right 
near the end. 

741
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:10,500
They can they're good and they 
can kind of lock in for two or 

742
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,500
three minutes to gasp to get the
women. 

743
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:14,400
That's, that's kind of this 
team. 

744
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,500
Again in a nutshell is they it 
seems like they're only able to 

745
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:23,400
lock in and give full effort for
3 to 5 minutes at a time unless 

746
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,100
it's Purdue I mean seriously. 
But yeah. 

747
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,000
And this is where to some 
degree. 

748
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,100
It's like you almost wish 
Indiana's a little further down 

749
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:34,900
the seed list like you'd almost 
rather they had to play a brand 

750
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:37,500
name team that they could get 
excited about. 

751
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:40,900
Because I actually with this 
pattern like they they get up 

752
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:43,200
for Purdue, they got up for 
Maryland. 

753
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,400
They didn't get up for Penn 
State. 

754
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:48,000
Eight, you know, like that's 
that's a little bit of an issue 

755
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,200
in terms of who they're likely 
to play in the first round. 

756
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,500
Because I mean, they get drawn 
against like, I don't know, Kent

757
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:58,200
State they'll be like who and 
then Kent State comes out and 

758
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,900
wins by 15 points. 
I mean, it's one of those deals 

759
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:04,800
where I've tried to build trust 
with this team. 

760
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,800
I think a lot of IU fans have 
and they've given us a lot of 

761
00:39:08,808 --> 00:39:11,600
rewarding moments this year. 
You know, I think this, the 

762
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,400
season has been a success given 
all the circumstances. 

763
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,100
Is in a lot of different ways. 
But right now, I mean, what 

764
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:20,400
worries me about this team is 
that they're standing on the 

765
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,800
precipice of a lot of people 
having negative memories of this

766
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,500
season and this group because of
how they finish not because of 

767
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,900
what they did during the actual 
season. 

768
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,400
Well, and that that, you know 
this, I don't know if I don't 

769
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,200
want to annoy you but like this 
is something we were talking 

770
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,700
about last night after the loss 
you know one of my friends is 

771
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:43,200
like all right you guys you know
this is what he does, he's just 

772
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,900
always busting balls and Thrown 
out hypotheticals but he's like 

773
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,000
all right you guys lose in the 
first round was the season. 

774
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,900
A success like you know, you 
play in the NCAA tournament, you

775
00:39:50,908 --> 00:39:53,600
guys lose in the first round of 
the four seed is the season to 

776
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,600
success. 
It was like I had to really 

777
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,400
don't like you know, I'm like 
probably a little bit it's like 

778
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,300
I can't say definitively. 
Yes it's not a failure but it's 

779
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,000
it's on the margins. 
Like and that's to your point. 

780
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,900
That's what we're staring at is,
you know, I think if they win 

781
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:15,800
their first game in the 
tournament and Lose to, you 

782
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,900
know, a five seed in this kind 
of fashion. 

783
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:20,300
I think, then it's like, all 
right. 

784
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:22,100
This is a six, like this is what
this team is. 

785
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:25,400
It's probably a successful 
season. 

786
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,000
You've continued to kind of push
the bar forward by a little bit 

787
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:30,500
but yeah. 
I mean II think that's a 

788
00:40:30,508 --> 00:40:32,000
question. 
Everyone needs to kind of think 

789
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,800
about now and hopefully we're 
don't have to answer it but 

790
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,100
yeah, that they lose in the 
first round as a four or five 

791
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:39,800
seed. 
You know, how do you view the? 

792
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,300
We'll have time to talk about it
later but it's just like an 

793
00:40:41,308 --> 00:40:43,800
interesting like I don't know 
and that's that's kind of what's

794
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,500
on the line. 
Line here is and this is 

795
00:40:45,508 --> 00:40:48,200
something I've talked about a 
couple of the pods this week. 

796
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,200
I love this time because I think
it's a time. 

797
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,700
You can, you can look at the 
regular season kind of decoupled

798
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:58,200
from the postseason because 
rightly or wrongly you know the 

799
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,600
next five days are going to 
color so much of the way that we

800
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,800
view this season. 
Looking back in maybe a right 

801
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,200
way, maybe a wrong way, but it's
like that is what's at stake in 

802
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,200
this team? 
Wins three more games. 

803
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,900
It's a success. 
And a lot of the the ills get 

804
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,600
washed away. 
Lose in the first round. 

805
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,300
It's like it colors everything 
differently. 

806
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:20,300
And it's a, it's a unique. 
I love this time for that reason

807
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:22,200
they. 
Like right now we know this team

808
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,100
probably as well and like you 
can kind of see all the eventual

809
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:29,300
outcomes but like it's worth 
that point where now that's kind

810
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:31,000
of, you know, for a lot of 
reasons, that's what they're 

811
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,300
playing for is how this season's
going to be remembered. 

812
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:35,700
And I think it can go in a lot 
of ways. 

813
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:38,500
I think the next cup, the next 
two or three games hopefully are

814
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:41,100
going to really color that. 
But yeah it's that's the that 

815
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:44,600
long way of asking if they lose 
first round, how do you Judge 

816
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,300
the season success or not, like 
I'll play that game with you. 

817
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:53,700
Well, you look, I think any 
season where you break such a 

818
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:59,600
long streak of sub 500 
conference records and, and get 

819
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,400
back to the 20 Windmark for 
another season. 

820
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,300
You know, after that being such 
an elusive thing for so long, I 

821
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:10,200
think is at least some level of 
success. 

822
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,300
I mean, you know again this is 
the first time Indiana had 

823
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:16,300
double-digit wins in the For the
student since 2016. 

824
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:21,100
It was the first time they swept
Purdue since 2013. 

825
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:25,300
You know, they played one of the
tougher non-conference schedules

826
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:27,000
that we've seen Indiana play in 
a while. 

827
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,800
I mean, given that given the 
injuries? 

828
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,400
Yeah, I think the seasons is 
Success. 

829
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,500
Even if they do lose in the 
first round, is it where Indiana

830
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:39,300
wants to be know? 
And I I think a lot of how we 

831
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:42,000
would view this earliest, how I 
would view this season, I don't 

832
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,200
speak for anybody else. 
Would almost Most have to be in 

833
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,100
the context of what happens next
like in future Seasons because I

834
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:52,800
think if this season, if you're 
going to classify the success, 

835
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,200
you can take all those things 
that I said in the short term 

836
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,600
and say, well, those are 
indications of success. 

837
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,400
You could just as easily say, 
well, they tripped over 

838
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,300
themselves in the last third of 
the season and while they didn't

839
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:07,200
lose all the games, like they 
have in previous years at the 

840
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,100
end of the day, they still 
stumbled over the Finish Line, 

841
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:13,900
rather than looking good getting
done with the season. 

842
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,800
So I look at it and I say this 
this season will kind of be 

843
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:22,300
probably for me judged in terms 
of what it sets up moving 

844
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,400
forward. 
Kind of like 2007 probably would

845
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,000
have been. 
I mean in the moment, 2007 

846
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,900
didn't feel like a huge 
accomplishment. 

847
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:32,800
They only won two additional 
games from what they want in 

848
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,700
2006. 
But it really was a turning 

849
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:38,300
point or look like it was going 
to be at least, in terms of 

850
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:41,800
mentality and how Indiana was 
approaching basketball games on.

851
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,500
It was because 2008 we were on 
the we're From now till you 

852
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:49,900
know, this year to me, a lot of 
the effort issues, the intensity

853
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:53,500
issues, the execution issues, 
we've seen this team and I've 

854
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:57,400
said it many times to the point 
that I get ridiculed some by 

855
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,000
some people for saying it. 
But this team has demonstrated 

856
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,200
that they are made of somewhat 
different stuff than previous 

857
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,500
vintages of IU, but not 
entirely, like, not completely, 

858
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:11,600
you know, and it's like, you've 
got a tank that's half full of 

859
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,300
good, gasoline, and half full of
bad gasoline. 

860
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:17,400
And you know, you it's sucking 
down the good gasoline. 

861
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,300
But you, occasionally, you still
gotta go above that, bad 

862
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:23,800
gasoline and the engine just 
hiccups and, you know, to me 

863
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:27,500
this season's success. 
Yes, they could still make it to

864
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:29,500
the Sweet 16. 
I don't know that they could 

865
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:32,400
make it beyond that this year, 
but anything's possible, but 

866
00:44:32,408 --> 00:44:36,400
they could also lose in the 
first round and either way, I 

867
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,900
kind of look at this and say, 
how does IU basketball play from

868
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:42,000
this point forward? 
Do they play like the good 

869
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,100
aspects of this season or do 
they play like, Like the bad 

870
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:47,200
aspects of this season, which 
frankly look a lot like the 

871
00:44:47,207 --> 00:44:49,800
previous Seasons. 
So, you know, did this season 

872
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,700
end up acting as a moderating 
influence, something that would 

873
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:56,500
get Indiana back to the type of 
basketball that people are 

874
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,900
expecting to see. 
And what you see out of 

875
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:01,600
top-level programs on a regular 
basis. 

876
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:04,500
So I can't really give you a 
complete answer Scott. 

877
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:08,000
I think the table is set for 
that and I'm hoping that what 

878
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,400
this ends up being is a cultural
turn over more than anything 

879
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,200
else and you going to have this 
like you see this in a lot of 

880
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,700
programs that are trying Make 
themselves more than they were 

881
00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:19,300
before this happened. 
A lot with Virginia before. 

882
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,500
Tony Bennett, kind of got that 
thing up and running. 

883
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:23,400
There were a few seasons there 
where it's like, was that 

884
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,200
progress? 
It was that not progress. 

885
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:27,900
It's a little different with 
Mike Woodson, but I think that 

886
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:31,000
the concept is the same. 
They're trying to get themselves

887
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,900
to a spot where the best that 
they played this year is the 

888
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:37,500
norm and not the exception and 
it's still to some degree. 

889
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:39,800
Feels like the exception at this
point. 

890
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,000
Now you're right and it's like 
the the frustrating part is like

891
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,300
the answer is always it. 
Sonic, Continuum because like 

892
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:48,200
they're Virginia is a great a 
great cop because you know I 

893
00:45:48,207 --> 00:45:53,900
think it was like 2017 they lost
in the first round to University

894
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:58,300
of wolves of Maryland it doesn't
matter but they lost this as a 

895
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:02,300
one seed, first one seed to ever
lose and in a totality That 

896
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:03,900
season you have to look at it as
like, all right. 

897
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:07,800
Well that was the utter failure 
but I always look at that as 

898
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,400
like it's a Continuum of that 
and the next season where they 

899
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,200
won the national championship. 
And it's like that actually 

900
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,200
becomes a story of a That really
had some unbelievable resolved 

901
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,300
to come back from an epic 
failure, and come back and win. 

902
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:23,500
And it really, you know, if I 
was a Virginia fan out there, 

903
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,100
you know, just watching that 
from afar as I look at those two

904
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,200
seasons as a compartmentalize 
program. 

905
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,500
And honestly, since then 
Virginia has been continued to 

906
00:46:31,508 --> 00:46:33,300
be stable. 
And it's like that that became 

907
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:36,000
more of a blip that, you know, 
he was able to Tony Bennett in 

908
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,300
that program is able to show 
they saw. 

909
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:40,400
So all that to be said, I think 
you're 100%, right? 

910
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,300
And it's frustrating because you
do want to kind of 

911
00:46:43,308 --> 00:46:45,800
compartmentalize these things 
because what's this season is, 

912
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,700
but I do agree. 
But I also think to bolster that

913
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:56,300
point, you know, what we do in 
March is going to make the 

914
00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:59,700
positive, Continuum push to next
season easier or harder. 

915
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:02,500
So, if they go and they win, two
games, go to the Sweet 16. 

916
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,900
It makes that positive momentum 
to next season easier, whereas, 

917
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:08,300
if they go out and lose the 
first round and kind of a 

918
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,000
non-competitive non interested 
game, then it's like, all right,

919
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,800
we have to pull ourselves up up.
Often that and continue to push 

920
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,000
the for think so. 
I think you're right. 

921
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,800
But yeah, those they're still, 
you know, kind of a no shit. 

922
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,300
Sherlock is a lot at stake in 
the next, you know, week and 

923
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:29,300
it's just, it is frustrating 
because it's frustrating but 

924
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:32,000
it's also like this is what this
team is. 

925
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,800
And in the end they go back to 
jerez. 

926
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,400
I could probably going to go 
one-on-one in the tournament, 

927
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,600
like, this is just what this 
team is right now. 

928
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,900
Is they, they're not gonna be 
able to bring together six 

929
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:44,200
games. 
It's they have high level final.

930
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:47,900
For type talent, but we've even 
seen here in the Big Ten 

931
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:49,800
Tournament. 
When things break their way, 

932
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:54,300
they have a hard time of kind of
capitalizing on very good 

933
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:57,200
scenarios for themselves. 
They just they make it harder 

934
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,500
for themselves even during the 
game with Penn State. 

935
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,600
It's like they just, you 
shouldn't be down 10 for 

936
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,200
multiple, pedo for 10 plus 
minutes against Penn State. 

937
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,200
And then you make it really hard
on yourself to come back and 

938
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,300
win. 
And so that's, that's the 

939
00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:13,300
frustrating part, is this team 
has that high level aspiration. 

940
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:14,200
That's, that's where I think 
they. 

941
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:17,700
They differ from those and night
teams is like this team has 

942
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:20,500
moments where you're, like, this
team could go to a final four. 

943
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:22,700
Yeah, like they really could. 
And they could be almost any 

944
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:26,600
team in the tournament, but we 
know, I think we all know and 

945
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,800
our core and our hearts, like, 
it's not going to happen because

946
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,200
they're not going to piece it 
together for 40 minutes for four

947
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,700
straight games. 
Yeah, I mean, look, the one 

948
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,700
other Factor. 
I'll note is Trace Jackson 

949
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:43,000
Davis. 
I think has clearly He's playing

950
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,000
at a level and is trying to lead
in a manner that it's clear. 

951
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,100
He does care about the Legacy 
that is leaving behind here and 

952
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:52,400
that ends up becoming an 
interesting wild card. 

953
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,600
I mean, I yes, I agree it. 
You know, the those comments 

954
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,100
last they do post game 
yesterday. 

955
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:02,900
I mean I was pretty eye-opening 
from Tres Jackson Davis and and 

956
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:05,500
honestly Mike Woodson, I mean 
there was a line from Woodson, 

957
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,200
you know. 
Basically it can to, you know, I

958
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,700
can yell like a scream, I can be
nice like at the end of the day 

959
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:13,400
it's up. 
To the guys to actually go out 

960
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,500
and execute and you know, for 
those two to make those types of

961
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:19,700
statements. 
I think illustrates something 

962
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:23,000
about the psychology of this 
team overall, that will be 

963
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,900
interesting to see in a 
tournament environment. 

964
00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:28,400
You know, I think again, this 
team is capable of winning 

965
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,600
pretty much any game that they 
play, but they're also capable 

966
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,800
of losing pretty much any game 
that they play. 

967
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,400
And, you know, the four trays 
Jackson Davis. 

968
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:42,700
You know, I'm sure he's, it 
could be good or bad, bad, you 

969
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:45,100
know, it could be one of those 
things where Trace Jackson Davis

970
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:47,200
comes out. 
He's as normal Transcendent self

971
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,400
it, it rubs off on the rest of 
the players. 

972
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,700
And they go on a nice run or it 
could be a situation where Trace

973
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:56,900
is trying too hard and the rest 
of his teammates aren't shipping

974
00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:00,400
in adequately enough and you end
up with an early flame out. 

975
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,500
You know, I think again both 
scenarios are equally possible. 

976
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:05,800
I hope for tres is sake. 
That's not how it plays out. 

977
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,600
Because I think from my 
perspective, I don't know what 

978
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,100
else Racetracks and Davis could 
have done down the stretch. 

979
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:16,000
He's not a guy's going to go 
scream at a teammate like on the

980
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,400
floor that's we've never seen 
him do that. 

981
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,000
But he you know I mean you could
if you were watching the tweets 

982
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,900
from the game yesterday like he 
was doing the majority of the 

983
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,300
talking and some of the timeouts
and was really trying to talk 

984
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:31,300
his teammates up, you know to do
X Y or Z or reminding them to do

985
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:34,300
this or that like he was getting
visibly frustrated at the bad 

986
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:39,300
defensive switches. 
I think for you know, For him 

987
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:41,600
and what he won. 
Let me finish this thought for 

988
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:46,300
him as a leader to try to, you 
know, will his teammates to do 

989
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:48,900
things that they seem to 
struggle to do even though we 

990
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:50,200
know they're capable of doing 
it. 

991
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,600
Because we've seen them doing it
has to be incredibly frustrating

992
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,900
because at this point of the 
Season, you shouldn't have to be

993
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:02,200
asked or reminded to do things, 
that should be automatic at this

994
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,000
point and I, that's the thing. 
I don't totally understand about

995
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,300
this roster is how many guys 
struggle to just I seem to 

996
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:12,200
remember what they're supposed 
to do from play to play or how 

997
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,300
how hard they're supposed to be 
playing. 

998
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:17,500
That's just a really odd sort of
thing and and it's nothing new. 

999
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:20,300
We've seen it for years, it's 
just a normally, the team has 

1000
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:22,900
also not been that talented and 
how they are. 

1001
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,000
And that's where I think a lot 
of the prostration is come in, 

1002
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:28,400
that's great point. 
And I was just going to say with

1003
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,200
Trey. 
So you've been seeing it this 

1004
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,300
season. 
We talked about it after the 

1005
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:34,200
barrel and game, like he's he's 
added components to his game. 

1006
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,600
So he can continue to take over 
more, like he's bringing the 

1007
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,800
ball up and there are times that
he brings the ball up. 

1008
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:42,900
Up and then just post up himself
and, you know, gets a basket or 

1009
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:46,900
gets a good look for himself. 
And this is where, you know, a 

1010
00:51:46,908 --> 00:51:47,900
couple of years ago, you better 
guard. 

1011
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:49,500
He's the leader of it's like 
it's really tough to be the 

1012
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:52,500
leader from the post because 
guys don't get you the ball in 

1013
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:53,800
the right spot. 
So don't get you the ball at 

1014
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,700
all. 
You can't do much as like he's 

1015
00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:57,400
even solve that he's like, all 
right, I'm going to take the 

1016
00:51:57,408 --> 00:52:00,000
ball, I'm gonna bring it up, 
it's a nice, it is a great 

1017
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,000
addition to our offense, but 
there does come a point where 

1018
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,300
it's like you're 69 power 
forward or, you know, Center or 

1019
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:08,400
whatever. 
Like you can't ask him to do 

1020
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,300
everything. 
Post and lead the team and then 

1021
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:13,100
start bringing the ball up and 
giving it to himself or dry you 

1022
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:16,000
creating his own offense. 
Like, as a, as a post, guys, 

1023
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,800
this is where you need somebody 
to help you. 

1024
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,900
And I agree. 
He's doing everything he can. 

1025
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:25,100
He's added components to his 
game so he can even take over 

1026
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:29,500
more from his physician, but it 
is limited and this is where 

1027
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:31,300
it's like you need people to 
help you. 

1028
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,300
And there are times you see it 
to where he gets the ball and 

1029
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:34,900
it's like he came to him the 
wrong position. 

1030
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:37,200
Like he's now got a push it back
out. 

1031
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,300
Got to reposition. 
It's like I can't imagine how 

1032
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:43,800
frustrated he could be at times 
because he is putting out these 

1033
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:48,700
transcended efforts and you need
someone else but you know that's

1034
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:50,400
the debt and that is kind of the
again. 

1035
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,100
What's going to be the odd 
Legacy of this team is like 

1036
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:57,100
they're you know in consistently
inconsistent or they're 

1037
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:00,200
consistently inconsistent I 
should say but yet they have 

1038
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,000
maybe one of the most consistent
players who ever had at IU in 

1039
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,600
Trace, Jackson, Davis, or this 
season. 

1040
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:07,000
He's been outside of a small 
stretch. 

1041
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,300
I think he was injured. 
He's been Since, you know, start

1042
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:13,400
of 2023 had maybe the most 
consistent structure, 

1043
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,000
basketball, we may have seen the
last 20 years at IU and it's 

1044
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,600
weird that like on a team that 
its Hallmark is going to be. 

1045
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,700
They just couldn't put it 
together and they were 

1046
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:24,200
inconsistent. 
It's like but they also had one 

1047
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,100
of the most consistent players. 
Yeah. 

1048
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,300
And it wasn't like, it wasn't 
like it's a fifth man or a six. 

1049
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:30,700
Get, you know, guy off the bench
like no, like their best player 

1050
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:34,000
was also unbelievably 
consistent, you can guarantee 

1051
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,000
him for 25, you know, twenty 
five, eight and seven every 

1052
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,100
game. 
And it's like, but that team was

1053
00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:42,600
inconsistent. 
Let's switch gears. 

1054
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,400
As we wrap things up and talk 
about the tournament picture, 

1055
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:48,900
you know, this will all be out, 
you know, academic in seven 

1056
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:50,900
hours basically. 
But I wanted to give everybody 

1057
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:55,800
an update on where things were, 
you know, Indiana louandandy 

1058
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:01,100
yesterday, I had them as the 
first four seed in my group. 

1059
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:04,800
So 13th on the s-curve, which 
were the seed list, which ever 

1060
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,800
you prefer basically the true 
order rank of teams. 

1061
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:12,000
That is, that's, you know, is 
that the little out of step with

1062
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,000
where they were ranked 
obviously, Indiana went in 

1063
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,600
ranked 19th? 
I think in the AP poll. 

1064
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,700
But that's, you know, you got to
remember that. 

1065
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:21,500
The committee looks at a bunch 
of things at the AP poll. 

1066
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:25,800
Doesn't look at when they're 
ranking teams, you know, like 

1067
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,300
data. 
He does look at data, you know, 

1068
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:32,000
now the loss was unfortunate for
Indiana yesterday because it 

1069
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:34,500
ended up being another tear quad
to loss. 

1070
00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:37,000
They lose to Penn State on a 
neutral floor. 

1071
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:41,800
So that's unfortunate to say the
least because you know, one of 

1072
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,900
the Hallmarks of Indiana 
scheduled been that, you know, 

1073
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:47,800
they only had 2 quad 2 losses in
the whole season and now they 

1074
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,700
pick up a third. 
But look overall, here's what 

1075
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:55,700
I'll say, I think Indiana is in 
is in pretty good shape 

1076
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:58,100
actually. 
Hey, breaking news Penn State. 

1077
00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:03,700
Now, a quad one loss as they 
cut, their their met climbed 

1078
00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:07,300
from 55 to 49. 
So, one of those where I you end

1079
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:09,700
up inadvertently helping 
themselves, Everybody else in 

1080
00:55:09,707 --> 00:55:13,500
the process, but here's where, 
you know, if I'm if I'm Indiana,

1081
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:17,500
I still, you know, you're going 
to be I think at this point of 

1082
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:21,500
for seed or a 5 seed, and we've 
talked a lot about how we felt 

1083
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:25,000
like they were going to be solid
Leah for the one thing I'm a 

1084
00:55:25,008 --> 00:55:29,800
little bit concerned about right
now, is Duke, who went on this 

1085
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,900
run at the end of the season. 
They are now what they won. 

1086
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:38,800
The ACC tournament last night, 
they now have five quad ones. 

1087
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:44,200
And they have seven quad 2's, 
they have no losses below quad 

1088
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,800
to and their head of Indiana. 
Now, in both strength of record,

1089
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,600
which is a resume artifact, and 
they're also ahead of Indiana on

1090
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,200
average in the power rankings. 
And so, I could absolutely see a

1091
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,600
scenario where Duke because of 
this run their on even though 

1092
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,700
the ACC isn't very good. 
Duke's played well enough that 

1093
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:04,200
suddenly I could see them 
sneaking onto that for line. 

1094
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,700
So, I do Wonder with Indiana 
losing Galen, the media doesn't 

1095
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:08,800
like Duke. 
I mean, the media. 

1096
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,300
Very weird for Duke to be 
preferred in a college 

1097
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:16,900
basketball setting just, you 
know it's not like it's not like

1098
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:19,000
them playing an unranked. 
North North Carolina Kim's. 

1099
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,600
Gonna make it on game day. 
Yeah I sit out here so you know 

1100
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:26,300
Galen come on ha ha. 
Well no it's funny though 

1101
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:29,500
because it's true. 
So anyway, they're the the thing

1102
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:33,100
I'll say is this I think I you 
is still in good shape. 

1103
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:35,200
I think they're still in good 
shape for a four seed. 

1104
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:37,500
I won't be shocked if there are 
five seed largely. 

1105
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:41,100
Because again, as I I mentioned 
multiple times on this process. 

1106
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:46,500
We don't entirely know what the 
committee is prefer is like 

1107
00:56:46,500 --> 00:56:49,400
acting in preference of and 
Indiana. 

1108
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,400
At the end of it, all is going 
to end up with a resume that is 

1109
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,400
right around that line. 
They were the top four seed in 

1110
00:56:57,408 --> 00:56:59,900
the reveal. 
A few weeks ago, there's a bunch

1111
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:02,300
of teams in the mix and it just 
a lot of. 

1112
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:03,600
It depends on how does the 
committee? 

1113
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,400
Look at those various teams. 
Did it look at Iowa, State and 

1114
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,800
say, we're going to take your 
quad one wins. 

1115
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,400
And we've got many of them. 
Iowa State. 

1116
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,900
As 10 quad one wins, they have 
to quad twos and that's going to

1117
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:17,300
be the end-all be-all, you 
played a great schedule, you 

1118
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:19,900
want a lot of games, you know, 
the downside for Iowa State as 

1119
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:23,700
they lost 13 games and that, you
know, even though none of the 

1120
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:27,500
losses were bad, that's still a 
lot of losses for a four seed. 

1121
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,500
Do they look at Tennessee and 
say, you know what? 

1122
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:34,000
Tennessee, again, we liked the 
quality of your wins. 

1123
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,400
Seven quad, one wins a neutral 
Court win versus Kansas neutral 

1124
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,000
Court. 
Win versus Maryland, you have no

1125
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,200
bad losses, we're going to put 
you in. 

1126
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:45,800
They might do that ahead of 
Indiana because their predictive

1127
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,200
Czar so good but you look 
overall at Tennessee and the way

1128
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,500
that they're playing and it's 
like I like Indiana slightly 

1129
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,100
better because Tennessee just 
lost a key player. 

1130
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:55,800
You can do that with any of the 
teams in this mix. 

1131
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,800
And you know, ultimately it's 
hard to say exactly what the 

1132
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,500
committee is going to prefer and
how much they're going to factor

1133
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:06,500
in conference tournaments. 
Historically, they haven't 

1134
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:09,400
factored them in that much and 
so Early. 

1135
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,800
I will bracket not factoring in 
conference tournaments, that 

1136
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,200
much, unless it's one of those 
where it's like my new 

1137
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,400
differences in terms of where 
teams are lined up. 

1138
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,800
Seating wise, most Bracketology 
gist that I'm looking at still 

1139
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,600
have Indiana as a 4 and that is 
a pretty good like mental 

1140
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:30,700
consensus that has largely 
helped to track along with what 

1141
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:33,400
the committee's been doing. 
But every year there are some 

1142
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,700
wrinkles Indiana to some degree.
Has a little bit of the best of 

1143
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:40,000
several different categories in 
terms of like They have plenty 

1144
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,700
of quad one wins. 
They have their best work is 

1145
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:44,700
done on the road or away from 
home. 

1146
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,300
They don't really have any bad 
losses. 

1147
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:50,900
They're pretty good and resume 
their pretty good in predictive 

1148
00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:54,000
's they've got their kind of 
like the nice mid-level choice 

1149
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,100
for a 4 seed it just and and 
this is where I think Indiana 

1150
00:58:57,100 --> 00:59:00,900
might actually come in a better 
spot than some other teams that 

1151
00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:03,400
are heavy on wins, but may not 
be great. 

1152
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,400
In predictive Zoar, like 
Tennessee are heavy and 

1153
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,500
predictive but maybe not as 
heavy in terms of He wins. 

1154
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:13,600
So in a committee setting that 
tends to shine through because 

1155
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,600
if you've got eight by twelve 
people voting on a team's 

1156
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:21,500
Indiana might like consistently 
come in third or fourth across. 

1157
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:25,100
Everybody's ballot that might 
end up being what puts Indiana 

1158
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:29,700
on the for line. 
You know all that said honestly 

1159
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:32,400
Scott there's very little 
difference between being forced 

1160
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,500
to eat and being a 5 seed and 
you know I don't want people to 

1161
00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:38,400
freak out. 
If Indiana does end up getting a

1162
00:59:38,408 --> 00:59:40,500
fine. 
Five, it's not a failure it's 

1163
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:42,900
the difference between it's 
really the difference in being 

1164
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,900
having the committee, right? 
You the 16th best team in the 

1165
00:59:45,900 --> 00:59:48,100
country and the 17th best team 
in the country. 

1166
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,400
Like that one. 
Little number difference ends up

1167
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,300
being the difference between 
being a four seed in the five 

1168
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:56,900
seat. 
And so I'm not overly concerned,

1169
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:58,900
I think. 
Indiana solidly in one of those 

1170
00:59:58,900 --> 01:00:03,000
two seed lines at this point. 
I just don't see them falling 

1171
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,300
much below that. 
And I think that win against 

1172
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:08,300
Maryland is going to help them a
lot more than the loss at Penn 

1173
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:10,300
State would Hurt them 
prospectively. 

1174
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,000
So that's kind of my general 
thoughts at this stage. 

1175
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:16,300
I'm really curious to see how it
plays out because ultimately, 

1176
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,100
you know, this the seating for 
Better or For Worse is going to 

1177
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:24,700
be treated as a referendum on 
how the season went by a lot of 

1178
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:28,600
people, which is kind of lame, 
but that's just kind of how it 

1179
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,800
is. 
And so I think it's a 

1180
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,100
fascinating exercise this year 
because Indiana is absolutely 

1181
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:37,800
right in the middle of the mix, 
but it's hard to Clearly say 

1182
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,600
where they're going to land. 
In the process. 

1183
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:43,600
The only way that I would, and I
agree with all that, I would the

1184
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,900
only way I would say it is a 
referendum on the Seas, which is

1185
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:48,200
not. 
But, like the what you could say

1186
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,600
is like they had a three or a 
four seed in their hands. 

1187
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,300
And I you just didn't grab it 
like, they made a lot of 

1188
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:57,700
mistakes down the way with bad 
losses and just, you know, 

1189
01:00:57,700 --> 01:01:01,700
performances that really, you 
know, allowed the gave them the 

1190
01:01:01,707 --> 01:01:04,100
spot to let the committee. 
Give them a five seed, and 

1191
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:05,200
that's the only thing I would 
look at. 

1192
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,200
But I agree with you. 
It's kind of you're gonna play 

1193
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,800
the one either. 
Yet you're looking at a matchup 

1194
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,600
against the one in the sweet 16,
no matter what. 

1195
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:20,000
And you know what, you know, 
you're so far down the seed line

1196
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,800
when you're a for that really is
kind of almost luck whether you 

1197
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,000
do get preferential treatment in
a regional. 

1198
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,200
It's like you're just there's so
many other factors at play 

1199
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,500
there. 
The again, trying to be 

1200
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:34,000
positive, not a great compact. 
When you look at, you know, from

1201
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:39,800
February 13th on in 2002, that 
team, I'm finished three and 

1202
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,600
three in the Big Ten, they went 
one and one in the Big Ten 

1203
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,500
Tournament, shocker, another 
team, another ayehu team that 

1204
01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:48,100
didn't have a winning record 
making tournament. 

1205
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:52,000
But you know, that, that team, 
slid to a five seed that team 

1206
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,600
could have maybe been a four 
seed, didn't really matter. 

1207
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,700
And then, you know, they had to 
play a one and they play Duke. 

1208
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:00,800
And I distinctly remember that, 
you know, I was living in 

1209
01:02:00,808 --> 01:02:03,200
Houston. 
I went to a bar at the game went

1210
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:06,400
scores, I remember why I went 
and as I went in like, alright, 

1211
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,000
well have fun but there's no way
you're beating Duke which is We 

1212
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,800
how I feel this year for playing
Kansas or something and then 

1213
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:14,500
they played a great game and 
they locked it in to your point.

1214
01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:18,900
Like they kind of locked it in 
from that moment on for three or

1215
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:21,600
four games and they were made a 
run to the final four. 

1216
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,500
Not saying this team can do it, 
but it's like that's, you know, 

1217
01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:27,300
being at the 5 line, that's what
you're looking at and but this 

1218
01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:32,200
team can do that. 
Like, they can get to the second

1219
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,700
weekend and then it's like can 
you just put together a focused 

1220
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:38,700
Purdue like performance? 
And then it's like you're off. 

1221
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,100
Off to the Races from there, and
that that's what store here. 

1222
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:44,200
But you know, that 2002 team, I 
think, again, it gets clouded. 

1223
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,200
Remember, as I gots a team that 
like you just said earlier, in 

1224
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,100
the poly, kind of figure it out.
Put together me, they were three

1225
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:50,600
and three to finish the Big Ten 
season not like they were on a 

1226
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,800
roll or anything that was also a
team that was anyway. 

1227
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:55,800
I'm going long on this point, 
but yeah, the difference between

1228
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,500
of that was also team ranked 6 
and efficiency. 

1229
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:00,700
Anyway, there's a lot anyway. 
There's a much better team. 

1230
01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:02,200
It really was. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1231
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,100
That's why I'm off my own point,
but to your point they'd ever 

1232
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:07,500
seen a five and a six, it 
doesn't really matter. 

1233
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:11,200
I would love to get it. 
Our location to me the as we 

1234
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,300
look at this before, selection 
Sunday. 

1235
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,600
I've been saying what Louisville
the whole time that where I want

1236
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:21,400
to be where I'm at now, I would 
love to stay away from the 

1237
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,300
Midwest region. 
Like I think that playing Kansas

1238
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:28,900
at Kansas City in the second 
round that's going to be a 

1239
01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:33,700
really tough putt for Indiana 
and I don't think that they you 

1240
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:35,900
know hopefully they don't put us
there and they probably don't 

1241
01:03:35,900 --> 01:03:39,800
want to have a rematch that 
early but you know, you You've 

1242
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,200
not given the committee. 
A lot of choices here by being 

1243
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,600
so far, down the seed line, like
your kind of now stuck with 

1244
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:45,900
that. 
But that's, that's the one 

1245
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:48,800
matchup that I think would be 
the worst for for IU. 

1246
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,200
I think obviously Louisville 
would have the best crowd for 

1247
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,400
us. 
I think that, you know, Vegas or

1248
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:55,700
New York or any of those 
regionals. 

1249
01:03:55,700 --> 01:03:57,800
Like, as I look at, you know, 
playing that one seed, but 

1250
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:02,000
honestly, I'll end with this. 
Like I should also get myself 

1251
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,000
mentally prepare to this team 
should to like getting to the 

1252
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,200
second weekend is going to be a 
chore in and of itself and like 

1253
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,400
that's Not put the cart ahead of
the horse, like we need to just 

1254
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,100
go in and focus on winning the 
first game. 

1255
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,100
And then the second game, like I
probably should be worried about

1256
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:19,700
the second weekend on a team 
that I'm not sure they can win 

1257
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:21,100
back-to-back games at this 
point. 

1258
01:04:21,500 --> 01:04:24,800
Yeah, I mean that's ultimately I
think we're a lot of this lands 

1259
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:29,900
is first of all obviously the 
seeding process is different 

1260
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:32,500
from playing the games and 
that's always the tough 

1261
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:34,900
transition for everybody. 
It's like where did you have 

1262
01:04:34,900 --> 01:04:37,200
placed in the field and then 
it's like, oh here's what you 

1263
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,200
have to do. 
I think in this case though, 

1264
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,800
just focusing on the bracket, 
the bracketing stuff. 

1265
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,300
Look, I think Indiana has done 
enough to be in all these 

1266
01:04:45,300 --> 01:04:47,100
conversations that are. 
They're having. 

1267
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:52,300
As you said, you know, they did 
have the opportunity to advance 

1268
01:04:52,300 --> 01:04:56,200
put themselves in a better spot,
they didn't and that's 

1269
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,800
unfortunate. 
But wherever they land, whether 

1270
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,400
there are four seed. 
When there are five seed in the 

1271
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:07,100
very unlikely event, they drop 
to a six seat there there, you 

1272
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:10,000
know, at the ultimate Be Wild 
It's very wild, it would be why 

1273
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,900
it would be, I'm, it would be 
absolutely unprecedented. 

1274
01:05:12,900 --> 01:05:16,100
I think, at this point, Indiana 
hasn't been playing that badly, 

1275
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,200
and they've got plenty of stuff 
on their resume. 

1276
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,500
But, you know this, at the end 
of the day, the difference 

1277
01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:25,700
between being a force, even 
being a succeed to use my 

1278
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:28,200
earlier. 
Numerical example, is the 

1279
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,600
difference between being the 
16th best team in the country 

1280
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,700
and the 21st best team in the 
country, in the eyes of the 

1281
01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:35,200
committee, that's it. 
Yeah, the difference between 

1282
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,500
being the last three seed and 
the best five seed is the 

1283
01:05:39,508 --> 01:05:41,900
difference between being the 
12th best team in the country 

1284
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:43,700
and the 17th best team in the 
country. 

1285
01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:48,100
So again, we debate exactly 
where everybody's going to land.

1286
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:50,200
We think we have a good idea at 
the end of it all. 

1287
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:54,100
You're talking about minimal 
variation and it doesn't really 

1288
01:05:54,100 --> 01:05:58,200
matter like the honestly. 
If you're a 1 seed in a tour to 

1289
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,800
seed it matters, and if you're 
in the play-in game, it matters.

1290
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,800
And other than that, I don't 
know that the seating especially

1291
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,600
in recent years where we've just
seen seating largely not matter,

1292
01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:11,400
Not much in terms of the actual 
outcomes it hasn't it doesn't 

1293
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,600
really matter that much. 
So I think you know, to me, you 

1294
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,400
know, as much as I focus on 
Bracketology and there's a focus

1295
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,300
on trying to accurately predict 
what the committee's going to do

1296
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:23,100
realistically speaking. 
The fact Indiana is placed 

1297
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:27,200
themselves in this tier where 
they're somewhere between the 

1298
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,300
12th best and 20th. 
Best team in the country is I 

1299
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:33,900
think, as much of a testament is
anything to this season 

1300
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:36,400
ultimately being a success 
because there aren't that many 

1301
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,600
teams that can say that they've 
done all of that throughout the 

1302
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:39,500
course. 
Course of the Season. 

1303
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,700
Particularly the ones that have 
suffered ones like Indiana that 

1304
01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:46,300
have suffered injuries and and 
issues trying to do have a 

1305
01:06:46,308 --> 01:06:49,600
normal season. 
So that's that's how I would 

1306
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,100
look at it. 
Anyway, final thoughts. 

1307
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,400
No, it's this. 
We're at the precipice now. 

1308
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,800
We're going into. 
I mean, first off people. 

1309
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,000
We should enjoy this moment and 
I know it's where we want to be 

1310
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,400
back to. 
But you know, this is the first 

1311
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:10,000
time since 2016 and only the 
second time in ten years that we

1312
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,500
go into a selection Sunday 
confidently, knowing we are in 

1313
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:15,600
the field. 
It's now just a matter of, are 

1314
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,300
we a protected seed or not? 
And that's, that's cool. 

1315
01:07:19,900 --> 01:07:23,600
I think it like twice in ten 
years, it should be 8. 10 years 

1316
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,400
that we have this feeling, but 
we haven't. 

1317
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:30,500
So like a everybody should enjoy
that feeling of not going into 

1318
01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:33,500
this being like you know all 
right what time does the NIT 

1319
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:35,100
reveal their bracket? 
I got her back. 

1320
01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:39,800
It's like we're at so that is 
that is something and for where 

1321
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,600
this program has been it's not 
nothing like that. 

1322
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,900
Is that is honestly something we
should be happy with. 

1323
01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:48,900
And then yeah you know it's 
going to be great seeing where 

1324
01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:52,400
we go and I think I will just 
say, I think from a media 

1325
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,300
perspective If I think that 
Indiana is going to be picked as

1326
01:07:56,300 --> 01:07:59,900
one of two teams, I can see 
people when they start doing 

1327
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:02,100
their, you know, ESPN brackets, 
just media brackets. 

1328
01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:04,000
Like I see us either being a 
sexy. 

1329
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,200
Dark Horse. 
Final four, pick or a 

1330
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,700
first-round flameout pick. 
I just, I think, yeah, t. 

1331
01:08:08,700 --> 01:08:11,100
And that's it. 
Honestly, that's what this team 

1332
01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:12,500
is. 
Yes, I think that's what a lot 

1333
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:16,700
of teams are going to pick us as
and don't get too high on the. 

1334
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,300
Well, the fun of the the final 
four stuff don't get too low. 

1335
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:23,399
When people are, you know, he 
see somebody picking us as First

1336
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:27,000
round find out because, you 
know, neither are right but both

1337
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,800
are true and everything is 
probably right now. 

1338
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,800
This is yes, absolutely. 
This is absolutely a team that 

1339
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,100
you could make a compelling 
argument for either of those 

1340
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:38,700
scenarios. 
I mean, you could there you will

1341
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:42,300
see at least one pundit, you 
know, based upon the bracketing,

1342
01:08:42,300 --> 01:08:44,100
pick Indiana to go to the final 
four. 

1343
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:45,899
Yes. 
And you will, and you will see 

1344
01:08:45,899 --> 01:08:49,200
at least one pundit, maybe on 
the same show. 

1345
01:08:49,300 --> 01:08:52,000
Picking the Anna to lose in the 
first round and, and be 

1346
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,200
confident about Bo. 
Both of and and I think both of 

1347
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,000
them will be probably like, you 
know, you could, you could make 

1348
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,899
arguments in either case. 
So that's that's where I would 

1349
01:08:59,899 --> 01:09:03,300
just warn. 
People, don't get caught up too 

1350
01:09:03,300 --> 01:09:07,100
much in that like Focus instead 
on what the implications are 

1351
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:10,000
overall. 
And look Indiana's, had a lot of

1352
01:09:10,008 --> 01:09:13,600
success as a five seed. 
You know, that they've the last 

1353
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,000
two out of the last three times,
three of the last four times, I 

1354
01:09:17,008 --> 01:09:18,399
think they've been to the Sweet 
16. 

1355
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:22,899
They've been a 5 seed and so 
it's not like again. 

1356
01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:26,300
A lot of it really comes down to
now, what does Indiana do in the

1357
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:27,899
tournament? 
As we talked about earlier on in

1358
01:09:27,899 --> 01:09:31,000
the podcast, that's where I get 
concerned about this team 

1359
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,500
because they're so hard to 
predict, but they've done enough

1360
01:09:33,500 --> 01:09:37,600
to put them in a decent position
as they move into March you did 

1361
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,600
this before in one of your 
bracket, racket shows. 

1362
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,200
But now that things have 
solidified for IU, I want to ask

1363
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:46,300
you this question as you look at
the teams that we would play as,

1364
01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:49,899
either the 4 or the five, can 
you just give a real quick 

1365
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:52,899
synopsis like what team would 
you? 

1366
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,400
Be most concerned about seeing 
as a first-round matchup and 

1367
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,900
what team do you think is the 
best first-round matchup for 

1368
01:09:58,900 --> 01:10:01,500
Indiana based on those kind of 
eight teams that could be in 

1369
01:10:01,500 --> 01:10:04,700
that 1213 range? 
Well, it's funny you say that 

1370
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:07,500
because if those of you who 
haven't subscribed to bite-sized

1371
01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:12,600
bison which is of course the the
newsletter that it is written by

1372
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,000
our friend Taylor Layman you 
actually should do this because 

1373
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:19,000
he did this looking at the 
various teams that Indiana might

1374
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,800
play in the first round, or 
second round. 

1375
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,400
And This actually, you know, 
I'll I agree with Taylor's 

1376
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,500
analysis, largely like the best 
teams for Indiana. 

1377
01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:33,400
From a matchup perspective would
probably be Creighton Duke, you 

1378
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,000
know. 
I think is statistically they're

1379
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,000
kind of a questionable team. 
They're certainly playing very 

1380
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,300
well right now. 
So I'm saying that first first 

1381
01:10:41,300 --> 01:10:43,200
round. 
Well, hold on, I'm going to work

1382
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:44,200
backwards. 
Okay. 

1383
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:49,000
Because, right because because 
ultimately those those those 13 

1384
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,500
12 seed, teams are still a 
little bit in the mix, but you 

1385
01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:54,600
look Sound like some of the 
other teams that you might want 

1386
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,000
Indiana play. 
I think Kentucky. 

1387
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,400
It is a good matchup for IU, st.
Mary's is a good matchup for IU.

1388
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:03,300
There's other teams that are 
more guard oriented or more 

1389
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:06,600
oriented towards perimeter play 
that you're worried about. 

1390
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,100
And that's, you know, like I'd 
hate to see Indiana like, you 

1391
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:15,600
know, having to play a team that
was just, you know, able to do 

1392
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,200
kind of what Penn State does, 
because I don't know how well 

1393
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:19,600
Indiana is going to be able to 
handle that. 

1394
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,000
Now, the teams that Indiana 
might end up playing. 

1395
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,600
You know, it really one of the 
things I will note is that the 

1396
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,600
efficiency statistics don't 
always tell the full story with 

1397
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,900
some of these teams. 
You know, my preference is 

1398
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:34,500
always with this particular 
Indiana vintage. 

1399
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,700
Can you match them up against 
the team that struggles to score

1400
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:42,300
particularly from outside? 
So like VCU, who we're going to 

1401
01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:45,700
watch in a little bit here, as 
they play in the American, not 

1402
01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:50,000
the American, the Atlantic 10, a
final, their their offense is 

1403
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,900
very pedestrian 149th in the 
country, their defense. 

1404
01:11:52,900 --> 01:11:55,300
This is very good. 17th, they 
don't shoot the three 

1405
01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:59,800
particularly well. 
You know, that to me is a team 

1406
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,600
that they turned the ball over a
lot. 

1407
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:06,200
They're exciting to watch but 
they don't have an overwhelming 

1408
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,500
physical presence in the post 
that they have nobody over 69 on

1409
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:11,100
the team. 
I think that's the team Indiana.

1410
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,800
I'd love to see. 
Indiana get matched up against a

1411
01:12:13,808 --> 01:12:17,600
lot of people have expressed 
fear from Iona and Iona is on a 

1412
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:21,200
big win streak right now. 
They've won 14 in a row, and 

1413
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,500
they've got Rick pitino's, he 
know is The shark in Jaws for 

1414
01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:27,100
everybody right now but he's 
like he's just like swimming out

1415
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:28,400
there. 
Like every team is scared of 

1416
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,000
playing them. 
And look, I mean they've shot 

1417
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,900
the three fairly well, but 
they've played nobody this year 

1418
01:12:34,900 --> 01:12:37,100
at all. 
And you know, I mean, I watched 

1419
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:40,700
them last night against Marist 
and was rooting for Marist. 

1420
01:12:40,700 --> 01:12:44,200
As you know any good Indiana 
person should that's Rik Smits 

1421
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,100
his alma mater. 
For those of you who don't 

1422
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:50,200
remember, but I don't see a lot 
in Iona that really makes me 

1423
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:54,700
scared, you know, they're 
They're a team that likes to get

1424
01:12:54,700 --> 01:12:56,700
up and down the floor, but so 
does Indiana. 

1425
01:12:56,700 --> 01:12:59,400
And I think in that kind of a, 
you know, in the game where 

1426
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,600
Indiana isn't being 
artificially, constricted in 

1427
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,900
Tempo, I think Indiana would 
fare pretty well in a game like 

1428
01:13:04,900 --> 01:13:09,300
that, you know, as far as teams 
I'd like to avoid seeing, you 

1429
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:14,700
know, I'm a little bit concerned
about, you know, that looking 

1430
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:17,500
through the teams right now to 
see what's out, there is a 

1431
01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:20,700
couple of loss, there were a 
couple of teams that were kind 

1432
01:13:20,700 --> 01:13:22,600
of right on the borderline, 
there that are concerning. 

1433
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,300
Well, I'd prefer not to see 
Louisiana if at all possible, 

1434
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,900
that's a team that shoots the 
three extremely well, there are,

1435
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:31,600
they're pretty efficient 
offensive team. 

1436
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,100
They're not great defensively, 
you know? 

1437
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:39,700
But I think that that team would
be able to hit shots and score 

1438
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:42,000
at a level that would make 
Indiana uncomfortable. 

1439
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,900
And I don't know that Indiana 
would be assertive enough 

1440
01:13:43,900 --> 01:13:47,400
offensively to be able to do 
what they needed to do in that 

1441
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,600
one. 
You know, there's others that 

1442
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,000
I'm just not sure about like 
Kent State played a really big 

1443
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:57,400
game against Toledo to knock off
Toledo in the MAC Championship, 

1444
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,900
which was a shame for Toledo. 
That was their chance to go back

1445
01:13:59,900 --> 01:14:02,100
to the tournament for the first 
time in 43 years. 

1446
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:07,200
But our old friend, Rob sender 
off the head coach at Kent State

1447
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,600
former IU assistant. 
Who as many of you might 

1448
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,800
remember got that was the first 
warning sign that things were 

1449
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,900
not going to go. 
Well in the 2008 season was when

1450
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,400
they just randomly fired. 
This assistant coach for too 

1451
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,500
many phone calls back in like 
whatever was October or November

1452
01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:25,300
of 07. 
But like Kent State, you know, 

1453
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,300
they have kind of the profile of
a team. 

1454
01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:31,900
I wouldn't mind seeing but that 
that team is overall I think a 

1455
01:14:31,900 --> 01:14:35,200
really good basketball team and 
they they they only lost to 

1456
01:14:35,208 --> 01:14:38,100
Gonzaga on the road by seven. 
They lost Houston on the road by

1457
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:41,400
5, they lost to Charleston on 
the road by to like that's a 

1458
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,600
team that knows how to play 
tight games. 

1459
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,000
So that's in the first round. 
Those are the types of teams I'd

1460
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,100
like to avoid, is either teams 
like Louisiana that can score in

1461
01:14:50,108 --> 01:14:52,800
a really high level or teams 
that are battle tested. 

1462
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:56,500
Stood in a way that say like 
Iona despite their gaudy record 

1463
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:59,800
is not. 
So look at the end of the day. 

1464
01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:04,600
I think this IU team, you know, 
the the probably the worst 

1465
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,300
matchup right now. 
I think in terms of like a team,

1466
01:15:07,300 --> 01:15:09,900
I would look at and say, this is
a real problem is Oral Roberts. 

1467
01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:12,500
They are Oral Roberts, is there 
30? 

1468
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:16,000
And for they have a 17 game 
winning streak, that's actually 

1469
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,100
the largest win streak in the 
country, their 23rd in the 

1470
01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:22,700
country and offensive efficiency
there 50 or their seventh in the

1471
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:27,100
Tree in effective field goal 
percentage their their best in 

1472
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:28,900
the country and turnover 
percentage. 

1473
01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:31,500
The 35th in the country in 
three-point percentage. 

1474
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:37,900
They start a senior guard who is
like across-the-board, awesome 

1475
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,800
Maximus. 
They also start a 75 Center 

1476
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,000
named Connor, vanover. 
Now IU has some experience 

1477
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,400
playing, you know, guys above 
seven feet tall obviously with 

1478
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,700
Zach Edie but that's just not a 
team that you want to draw. 

1479
01:15:52,900 --> 01:15:55,700
Ah, in the first round of the 
NCAA tournament, that would be a

1480
01:15:55,708 --> 01:15:59,100
really tough matchup for IU. 
So let's let's avoid Louisiana. 

1481
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:01,400
Let's avoid Kent State. 
Let's avoid Oral Roberts if it 

1482
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,500
all possible. 
Yeah, it's funny. 

1483
01:16:03,500 --> 01:16:05,700
If you're saying those Oral 
Roberts, set, it always feels 

1484
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:08,400
like, you know, I've always 
loved teams for upsets that 

1485
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,100
shoot three well, that have a 
senior guard but it feels like 

1486
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:15,200
there are these years and, you 
know, or wobble prove me wrong 

1487
01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:17,100
but it feels like there's these 
years where there's teams were, 

1488
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:19,800
it's like they hit all the check
marks for being upset, team. 

1489
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,300
And then it's like, well, oh, I 
like the question. 

1490
01:16:22,300 --> 01:16:23,700
They're going to win. 
Look up, and it's like, oh, 

1491
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:27,200
they're down 25 to the force. 
He's like every year, it feels 

1492
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,300
like you. 
Once you find that team, that 

1493
01:16:29,300 --> 01:16:32,000
like hits all the check marks 
for wapts that team should be. 

1494
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,300
It's like they just well, I'm 
out. 

1495
01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:36,500
Lay an egg so much of it is 
matchup oriented like last year,

1496
01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:39,700
I think you could make an 
argument that, you know, among 

1497
01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:42,200
the best automatic qualifiers 
was Vermont. 

1498
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,500
Vermont was the 13 seed. 
Vermont was in what were they in

1499
01:16:45,500 --> 01:16:47,100
the going into the tournament? 
They were. 

1500
01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:50,700
I think there were 58 and Ken 
pom. 

1501
01:16:50,700 --> 01:16:52,700
They were really good offensive 
team. 

1502
01:16:52,900 --> 01:16:55,900
But they get drawn against 
Arkansas, who is all of that on 

1503
01:16:55,900 --> 01:16:57,900
steroids, and they lose in the 
first round, you know? 

1504
01:16:57,900 --> 01:16:59,800
And that was probably a team 
that you would have pointed to 

1505
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,100
and said that's a team that's 
going to win Games Chattanooga. 

1506
01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:05,300
Last year, was another one, top 
70 can Palm team. 

1507
01:17:05,900 --> 01:17:09,100
They were 27 and 7 going into 
the tournament, they do. 

1508
01:17:09,100 --> 01:17:12,100
They had they won, they beat VCU
on the road. 

1509
01:17:12,100 --> 01:17:14,500
Earlier in the year, they won 
everything. 

1510
01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:17,600
You'd ask them to win, they're 
drawn against Illinois and 

1511
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,400
Illinois, just happens to play 
exactly the style that, you 

1512
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:25,000
know, that and just countering 
with Do and even then Illinois I

1513
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,800
only won by one point but still 
that's your point is well-taken.

1514
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,700
Like this idea that you can 
eyeball on record or on 

1515
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:35,200
statistical profile. 
South Dakota, State's probably 

1516
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,000
the best example of this last 
year, South Dakota State, 81st 

1517
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,900
and Ken Pon. 
They were 14th and offensive 

1518
01:17:40,900 --> 01:17:42,300
efficiency. 
This was one of the best 

1519
01:17:42,300 --> 01:17:45,100
offensive teams in the country. 
They were the best shooting team

1520
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:48,700
in the country and they end up 
losing by nine to Providence. 

1521
01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:51,500
In the first round of the NCAA 
tournament 2413 game. 

1522
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,000
You never know. 
So, again, if I'm an IU fan, I'm

1523
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,900
saying to myself. 
I'm not going to get freaked 

1524
01:17:57,900 --> 01:18:00,300
out. 
Because as I think I said in an 

1525
01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:04,400
earlier pod, there is no magical
road in the NCAA tournament, 

1526
01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:06,300
where you're going to play all 
easy teams. 

1527
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,300
Everybody's going to be scary on
paper in one way or another. 

1528
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:14,600
And so, I would just say, relax,
enjoy it. 

1529
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:21,100
And look at how those guys might
be thinking about Indiana and 

1530
01:18:21,100 --> 01:18:22,700
understand that it's probably 
the same. 

1531
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,700
As how you're thinking of them. 
Yep. 

1532
01:18:25,700 --> 01:18:29,800
Anyway, we got to wrap up as 
we've already hit almost an hour

1533
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,100
twenty Market. 
I don't know if anybody's going 

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to be able to listen to this 
before the selection show 

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actually happened. 
So thanks to all you folks for 

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sticking with us as we talk 
through IU. 

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Basketball talk through some 
brackets stuff, Scott, we'll see

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what happens here in a little 
bit. 

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As I, you wraps up the regular 
season and the Big Ten 

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tournament and ends up going to 
the postseason will see where 

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they're seated. 
Thanks to our friends at home 

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01:18:51,100 --> 01:18:52,700
field apparel. 
Thanks to the back home. 

1543
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,600
Network and its family of 
podcasts for Scott. 

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01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,900
I'm Galen this is Crimson cast. 
We will catch you folks on the 

1545
01:18:59,900 --> 01:19:02,000
flip side. 
Bring back the Bison, so 

1546
01:19:02,000 --> 01:18:56,600
everybody Network and its family
of podcasts for Scott. 

1547
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,900
I'm Galen this is Crimson cast. 
We will catch you folks on the 

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01:18:59,900 --> 01:19:02,000
flip side. 
Bring back the Bison, so 

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01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:02,500
everybody