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Welcome back to Crimson Cass, 
GAIL and Clavio joining you once

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again as we get ever closer to 
game day. 

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Here it is, College Football 
Playoff week in Bloomington as 

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the Indiana Hoosiers taking on 
the Notre Dame Fighting Irish 

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and we've got Rhett Lewis back 
with us. 

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We've been trying to get Rhett 
back on the show since the start

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of the season. 
Timing hasn't worked out, but 

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I'm glad we were able to land 
them this all around. 

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Rhett, great to have you back 
on. 

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And man, I, I still can't 
believe that we're in this this 

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phase of things right now. 
It's, it's just awesome. 

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The anticipation grows on a 
daily basis. 

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It's just great to be talking 
about IU football the week 

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before Christmas, you know? 
I mean like it's and it's not. 

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It's not a coach firing right? 
Yes, correct, correct. 

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And it's not the red box bowl, 
you know, like we, we, we are in

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uncharted territory for sure. 
And that is without a, without a

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doubt, the, you know, most 
frequent question, you know, 

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that I have gotten is like what,
you know, what is what, what, 

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what does this feel like? 
What is what, you know what? 

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And I, I struggle to find the 
words as you can tell, like it's

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just, it's so different than 
anything that I've ever been 

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accustomed to, you know, in my 
lifetime, you know, outside of 

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maybe the, the flashes of it in 
2020, but it just it, it didn't 

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feel like this obviously. 
And, and so I just, I have this 

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tremendous level of excitement 
and I I can't even explain how 

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different the expectation change
has been, not even like within 

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the program, but like just from 
my perspective, you know, 

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obviously I haven't been in the 
booth with Don the last two 

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years. 
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was like, you know, offense 
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you're like, all right, when's 
James Evans coming back? 

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You know, like, and 
unfortunately that's just, 

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that's just how it was And and 
it obviously it got better, you 

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know, the final few games of of 
the 23 season, but there was 

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just this kind of like impending
doom that you felt every time. 

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And now it's like we get into 
third and 14. 

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You're like, oh, oh, Curtis is 
probably just gonna hit Sarat 

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for a back shoulder that'll go 
for 20 and Drive will continue 

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and probably score a touchdown 
and will probably go up by 14 

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points and probably gonna win by
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And like that's it's just, it is
an expectation now that that 

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Indiana thrives in the face of 
adversity. 

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Yeah, I think the the overriding
emotion for IU football was 

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dread for a long time. 
And and it's a completely 

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different. 
And I think that's why so many 

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people who have either followed 
the program closely, like myself

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or, or like you have been 
involved in multiple different 

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ways officially. 
It's why it's so hard to put 

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into words because it's it's 
it's like, it's like the the 

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best possible version of 
Invasion of the Body Snatchers 

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where like I, I don't know, I 
don't know who replaced your 

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personality, right? 
It's amazing soul, but here we 

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All right Rhett, so I want to 

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talk about the match up first. 
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And then we'll kind of talk 
about the overarching things. 

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But I have noticed as we've 
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into this week, this is the game
that people either like, they 

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feel definitively that Notre 
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just going to walk, or they see 
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giving them pause. 
This is probably the match up 

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where I've seen the most 
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predictions. 
I mean, what from what you've 

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seen looking at both teams, like
what's your evaluation and where

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do you think that confusion's 
coming from in the pundit class?

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Yeah, look, I think most people 
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win based off reputation. 
I mean, like I in in most people

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that just have have kind of put 
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Bowl probably haven't watched a 
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and they maybe haven't even 
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Dame, you know what I mean? 
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and I do feel like, you know, 
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that Notre Dame would defend an 
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I think you look at the USC 
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Louisville game a little bit in 
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and personnel and the way they 
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they can run the ball. 
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of look at Georgia Tech too, a 
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played. 
There's other games out there as

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thing that occurred to me is 
that, you know, USC threw the 

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ball on Notre Dame and outside 
of the two pick sixes in the 

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last three minutes of the game, 
which were incredible to have 

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one go for 99 and one go for 
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I don't. 
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football before. 
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Like US CS receivers got open 
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look #0 Xavier Watts for Notre 
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He's super to me. 
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defense and an absolute baller. 
He's like, he's just, he does 

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not miss tackles in the open 
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He does, he takes on offensive 
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trying to go after running backs
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But I think that their corners 
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particularly #29 you know, I, I 
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kind of they don't run a lot of 
this is a man team, which and is

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a big challenge for Indiana. 
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matchups is what you love is a 
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I talked to Elijah Serrat about 
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was fired up about this 
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win. 
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he doesn't get on top of ADB, 
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that's where that back shoulder 
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lethal this year comes into 
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So I think there's real 
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one-on-one matchups to 
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I look at guys like Miles Price 
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particular as guys who've got 
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routes to create some separation
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That could be a big match up 
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they're in man coverage. 
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understand that this is a very 
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defensive line. 
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with NFL bloodlines. 
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got Howard Cross's son, Kurt 
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It'll be a challenge for the, 
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offensive line to kind of open 
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can find some match up problems 
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line backing core. 
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for Notre Dame and and kind of 
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they got. 
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ways to beat man coverage, 
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And then it's about stopping the
run, right, Stopping the run and

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forcing Riley Leonard to beat 
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So to me, the pathway to victory
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early, offense puts some points 
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early. 
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to force Notre Dame to think 
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Riley Leonard. 
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And and I'll just say the last 
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way is I love Riley Leonard. 
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I love his joy for the game, his
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the way that he plays is the 
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It's fun to watch. 
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Curtis Rourke as a passer every 
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that's where, you know, 
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Yeah, it's really, it's a really
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mean, it's to some degree it's 
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Dame's running game, which very 
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that so well. 
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success pathways for Indiana run
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And and this is where it's going
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though Indiana clearly didn't 
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they did do a good job of 
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They they did a good job of, of 
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And, you know, they really 
forced Ohio State to move the 

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ball through the air. 
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as successful as you might think
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Yeah. 
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Indiana did the best job of 
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the run. 
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physically and talent wise very 
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brings to the truth on that 
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So a lot of it is schematic. 
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seeing you know what, who has 
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Dame? 
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probably should have led to a 
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mistakes that they made with the
interceptions and letting Notre 

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Dame kind of establish early 
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control things. 
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it with Indiana is you've, 
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faster start offensively to give
your defense some some wiggle 

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room because you know, Notre 
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explosive runs. 
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been able to get some long runs 
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the course of the season. 
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bit because Indiana's offense 
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Even in the Purdue game, it 
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just started rattling points off
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In this kind of an environment, 
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see, you know, can you get 
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get 714 points on the board and 
establish that this is going to 

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be a ball game. 
Yeah, I think that's a great 

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point. 
And that's that again, that 

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comes back to, you know, the way
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here, you know, going it going, 
you know, 3 and out or, you 

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know, 5 and out. 
The the first couple of 

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possessions is not going to put 
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Now you're inviting the crowd to
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You're inviting the elements to 
become a factor. 

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You're inviting the, you know, 
those little seeds of oh, man, 

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this feels like Columbus again, 
you know, type of thing to come 

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back in your head, even though 
they scored in the first 

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possession in that game. 
But I I, I do, I do think that, 

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you know, look, a fast start is 
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And if really, if you go back 
and look at the season on the 

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whole, that has been one of 
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come out with the pedal to the 
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And that is a tenet of this 
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They are like they want to be a 
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team. 
Like they want to set the 

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temperature. 
They don't want to take the 

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temperature of the game. 
You know what I mean? 

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Like it's truly. 
I like I'm going to steal that 

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for future people. 
I like that. 

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And so like, that's that, that 
is something to where like, oh, 

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we're not just going to feel 
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You know, it's a big game. 
Let's just kind of, you know, 

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let's kind of play it safe and 
see what they're going to do. 

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Like, no, no, no, we're going to
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And that's why they've been so 
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So the thermostat will be pretty
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I think in, in South Bend. 
I'm I'm looking forward to it. 

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I'll be up there, but I'm going 
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to definitely agree with you on 
on where this sets up nicely for

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IU if they start to build that 
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When you look at what Indiana 
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one of the problems the last 
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clear lack of timing and sync 
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receivers. 
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and that that was that was 
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But I do, you know, I hope that 
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and that you have something like
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It can throw off timing. 
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really more of a running attack 
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passing attack game. 
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little bit disrupted by the 
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Now, the weather's looking 
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were looking at forecasts ahead 
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at forecasts where it's like, 
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wind gusts like 3840 miles an 
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Now you're just playing in the 
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How does that affect the passing
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Like you, you like, does it have
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And, and for a team like 
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try to throw the ball, is that 
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worried about? 
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I mean, like the you saw the the
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connect in that Purdue game. 
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elements are going to be 
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It's something to think about. 
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know, hey, let's let's go 
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for warmups. 
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sleeves. 
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warm. 
I want to be a peak peak optimal

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playing temperature and and I 
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don't, I don't want to sit there
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no Dang reason. 
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I was one of those guys that 
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you can always take stuff off if
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in the past game against Purdue 
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leaves me pretty confident now. 
Look, you go back to that Ohio 

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State and the Michigan game, 
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uncharacteristic drops that we 
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year. 
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mistakes kind of out in those 
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You don't go back to special 
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I don't think you'll see that 
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Obviously it was a bad time for 
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But I, I think you, you get rid 
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you know, the, the undisciplined
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of this program this year. 
I think they're going to be just

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fine, yeah. 
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of this match up for both teams 
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images of other of each other in
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much in terms of how they play, 
but in terms of the schedule 

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that they played against, their 
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Indiana more so because of the 
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anything else. 
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earlier this week and we're 
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it's amazing how strength on 
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between these two teams. 
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what level of greatness both 
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that they've accrued that 
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the teams on their schedule. 
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tremendously hard schedule, all 
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So when you look at this, you 
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to extrapolate like, you know, 
can can either team, given what 

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they've done against lesser 
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How does that apply in a game 
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team that's finally like on your
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I and I don't know, there's a 
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guess in your eye, you know, 
when I look at Indiana, what I 

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see is a team that's largely 
thrived on their execution and 

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their efficiency and they're, 
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really detail oriented. 
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least in part, on their 
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talent that they've got. 
I'm curious, like how does that 

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end up playing out in a game 
where you've got you've got 

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superior athletes perhaps in 
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that really relies on doing 
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every time? 
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you look at it and you look if 
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comparing match ups and you're 
comparing the way that Notre 

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Dame is played against certain 
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And and then looking at that in 
like the, you know, the the 

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framework of what Indiana 
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You know, I think you could take
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games. 
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they defended the run against 
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know, against teams that really,
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with the football on the 
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And and their defense was up to 
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But the the, the thing that I 
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Louisville put up points and 
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Same, same with with USC the 
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So I, I kind of look at this as,
hey, you know, let's not on 

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offense, don't bang your head 
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and try to do what Ohio State 
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and just, you know, try to pound
the rock just 'cause you want to

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prove how tough you are. 
Like, let's, let's get out there

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and, and, you know, let's go 
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And I think a lot of those are 
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early and that could turn to the
run game later. 

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You know, it's I think a lot of 
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to establish, well, you know, 
establish what works right, Like

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establish what what gets first 
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you know, a pass game type of 
situation from a personnel 

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standpoint. 
I think when you when you look 

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at it like they're going to 
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more like Michigan in in kind of
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I don't know that they have the 
speed that Ohio State did on the

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whole. 
So like, you kind of grab bits 

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stylistically, you know, the way
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led, the way they, they focus. 
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similarities there, even though 
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different ways. 
But the way they've executed it 

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has been similar. 
But look, personnel wise, I 

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mean, Notre Dame's been a top 
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team for, I don't know, the last
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So like, you know, like on 
paper, yeah, they're gonna have 

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better personnel. 
But I as we've seen time and 

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time again this year, that 
really hasn't mattered for 

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Indiana. 
I guess last thing, offensive 

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line, obviously other issues 
against Ohio State, no issues 

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against Purdue, but Purdue 
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resistance. 
A lot of that was focused on 

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crowd noise. 
We heard Kurt Signete talk about

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that a bunch. 
When you look at this offensive 

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line, they've been so good all 
season. 

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They obviously suffered the the 
the loss via injury at the left 

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guard position. 
That didn't help. 

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But are you worried about 
Indiana's offensive line in this

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game as they go up against 
especially Notre Dame's interior

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line? 
And does Indiana, in your 

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opinion, need to change the way 
they approach the passing game 

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above and beyond whatever 
they're doing with crowd noise, 

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which we'll get to in a second 
to try to give both the 

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offensive line and Curtis Rourke
a better chance against a pass 

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rush? 
Yeah, look, I think that was the

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thing that started popping up 
against Michigan was that pass 

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rush, especially in the 
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think Tyler Stevens, by the way,
has done a really nice job. 

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I mean, technically he is the 
4th guard, you know, because you

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think Nick Kidwell was, was, you
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the from the beginning and, you 
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unfortunately due to the injury.
Then you get Evans in there and 

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he goes down kind of 
unexpectedly. 

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So, yeah, you're technically on 
your 4th guard there. 

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And the fact that Indiana's got 
competitive depth that way to 

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put that offensive line together
is a is a big deal. 

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And, and so, you know, I'm 
thankful that obviously you've 

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got that that kind of luxury 
there. 

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I think he's played well. 
I think tackles, you know, 

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really in that second-half 
against Michigan, the edge 

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pressure started to started to 
really get after him a little 

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bit. 
And and then, you know, kind of 

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the same with Ohio State, but it
was more of like a physical like

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kind of beach up type of 
pressure with, you know, JT Tui 

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Molowow with Jack Sawyer. 
And then they brought pressure 

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and they brought pressure that 
bothered Indiana And and I think

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that, you know, Bob Bostad, my 
guess has has been, you know, 

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going back for the last month 
now and working on those things 

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and how Indiana deals with those
types of looks. 

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Often. 
I I don't think that they will 

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cause them that type of trouble.
Now, if they get beat 

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physically, it's a different 
thing. 

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But I don't think you're going 
to see that type of, you know, 

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kind of confusion up there that 
that allows some mental 

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misassignments. 
The things that worry me a 

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little bit are like I Howard 
Cross coming back is a big deal 

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for them. 
I look at Josh Burnham, the guy 

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that plays their Viper. 
I think the dude that comes then

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after him is kind of the 
rotation. 

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Junior Tui Halamaka is really 
good as well #44 Donovan 

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Heinich, 41, played a bunch when
Howard Cross was it. 

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They they kind of go 8 deep and 
they're pretty good at it. 

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So like that's, that's the kind 
of thing like they can stay 

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fresh. 
So it's, you know, it'll be, you

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know, staying power for that 
offensive line as you get into 

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the second-half where we saw it 
kind of breakdown against 

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Michigan. 
I think it'll be something to 

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watch. 
But I I do think that they are 

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capable of holding up and giving
Curtis the time he needs. 

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He's not going to sit back there
and read a book, but like 

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they're going to give him the 
time he needs because he is a 

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great processor of information. 
A lot of that dealing with 

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pressure does fall back on him. 
Get the ball out of your hands. 

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Let's go. 
Exactly. 

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Let's widen the lens a little 
bit as we wrap up. 

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So Indiana and the College 
Football Playoff, amazing story 

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by itself. 
Indiana playing at Notre Dame in

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the first game of the College 
Football Playoff. 

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I mean, these are two programs 
that have not played each other 

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historically very much at all. 
Last meeting was in 1991. 

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I mean, when you saw this match 
up as an as an IU football alum 

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and someone's been tied to the 
program, like what was your 

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reaction when you saw that this 
was going to be the draw for 

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Indiana? 
Great question. 

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I will and I'm going to send 
this photo to you so that when I

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hold it up to my camera here, 
you're going to have a you're 

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not going to see it as well, but
maybe maybe you can find a way 

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to throw it in. 
I will throw this picture up and

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and I will tell you this is our 
secret weapon and I'll see if 

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you can identify who this is in 
this photo. 

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I cannot identify who is that in
the photo. 

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Well, it's a mock up of Matt 
Lavecchio, former Notre Dame 

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quarterback. 
Forgot about that. 

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Always forget about the 
Lavecchio thing. 

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Yeah, so two years at Notre Dame
led him to a Fiesta Bowl, I 

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believe is a true freshman. 
And then kind of got got kind of

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went back and forth with 
Carlisle Holiday, which by the 

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way, his name has been in the 
news because Riley Leonard had 

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back-to-back 100 yard rushing 
games this year. 

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And it was the first quarterback
to do so since Carlisle Holiday 

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did it back in, in I think it 
was like 2002 or something. 

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But Levecchio, remember, old 
school, transferred to Indiana, 

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no transfer portal, sat out a 
year, was on scout team and then

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became the starter for the final
two years. 

443
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,480
Obviously, it wasn't a hugely 
productive couple of years in 

444
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terms of wins, but had some fun 
moments. 

445
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,560
He's been a great friend of 
mine. 

446
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,640
And, and so, you know, I texted 
him, you know, when this matchup

447
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,360
came out and I was like, it's 
all cream and Crimson this week,

448
00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:58,000
right? 
Right. 

449
00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:00,120
It's all cream and Crimson this 
week. 

450
00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:01,800
And he was like, oh, absolutely.
Yeah. 

451
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,440
Yeah. 
So he's he's going to be up 

452
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,440
there as well. 
And he's still got a lot of good

453
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,600
friends that that, you know, he 
played with at Notre Dame. 

454
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,520
But I'm going to bring just in 
case, I'm going to bring some 

455
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,800
extra Crimson for him, I think. 
So that's what I think of when I

456
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:14,480
think of this. 
Matchup. 

457
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,440
Bring him a towel. 
Yeah, he needs an Indiana towel.

458
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,040
Are you? 
Coming by the way, are you 

459
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:19,400
going? 
Oh, I'm. 

460
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,400
Going to be there. 
I'm getting up there Thursday. 

461
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,200
OK, so we're not enough camp. 
No, But yeah, the Lovecchio 

462
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,840
thing's interesting because I 
remember when that happened, you

463
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,320
know, just being a fan. 
And it's like, this is 

464
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,320
interesting because these two 
programs rarely cross paths. 

465
00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:39,120
And you know, and that that's 
is, it's an illustration I think

466
00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:42,000
to some degree that that's kind 
of like the last meaningful 

467
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,080
exchange between the two 
programs. 

468
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,800
Oh, maybe JoJo Johnson, if you 
want to say. 

469
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,360
But there was something there, 
yeah. 

470
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,240
But it's really cool because 
obviously there's a big 

471
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,240
crossover in the fan base as 
well for a lot of, I know, and I

472
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,000
and there's been a lot of talk 
about the reversible jacket 

473
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,920
thing. 
But what what, you know, having 

474
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,720
grown up in Indiana and having 
grown up around people who had 

475
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,720
ties to both of these, like 
there's so much intermingling in

476
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,280
terms of like you got family 
members, like one went to Notre 

477
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,920
Dame and two went to Indiana. 
You've got a ton of Indiana 

478
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,760
people who live in and around 
South Bend. 

479
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,280
You know, Chicago's kind of the 
home base for a lot of Notre 

480
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,400
Dame, but there's so many more 
IU people there. 

481
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,160
Oh yeah, don't forget about IU 
Chicago. 

482
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,040
Now, Oh, no, absolutely. 
I mean, it's the, the, the IU 

483
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,840
diaspora is so much bigger, but 
in the state of Indiana, 

484
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,440
especially, these two programs 
have nobody's had to choose. 

485
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,280
And now I, I'm, I'm seeing a 
lot. 

486
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,000
I've had several people are 
like, well, I root for Notre 

487
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,600
Dame normally, but I'm rooting 
for Indiana in this game. 

488
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:39,240
OK, that makes me feel better 
because there is nothing, 

489
00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:44,720
nothing that I despise more on 
this planet than someone that 

490
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,840
comes to Indiana and still roots
for Notre Dame. 

491
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,040
I lived with four. 
Of them that. 

492
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,640
Were from Mishawaka and like up 
in up there and I'm like guys, 

493
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,680
you go to Indiana. 
If you wanted to root for Notre 

494
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,040
Dame, go the rooty route, go to 
junior college up in South Bend 

495
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,720
and then try to try to find your
way into school up there. 

496
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,320
Leave us alone. 
OK, so yeah, this hopefully this

497
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,400
is the game to silence all that 
nonsense. 

498
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,360
It would be nice and it would 
it's I just think it's cool. 

499
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:19,440
It is the as ESPN just noted 
today, this is the first ever in

500
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,880
state CFP matchup. 
Now that that's been that would 

501
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,360
have been hard to do before this
just given that there were only 

502
00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:26,640
four teams, right. 
But it is cool that this is the 

503
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,640
first one. 
And and I just it's so awesome, 

504
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,600
like Indiana getting not just to
go to Notre Dame Stadium, which 

505
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,920
is a historic venue within 
college football, but it's the 

506
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,920
first game of this year's 
college football playoffs Friday

507
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,160
night 8. 
All the eyes on that game, 

508
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,840
college game day going to have a
version of themselves up there. 

509
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,160
You know, for a season that's 
been filled with all the 

510
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,720
pageantry of college football 
that Indiana has never gotten a 

511
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,720
chance to be a part of. 
This just feels like an even, 

512
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,640
you know a a the the largest 
cherry you could put on on 

513
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,200
absolute. 
Bonus Yeah, without without 

514
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,720
question, Galen like it's it's 
just super cool. 

515
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,040
Like, you know, stylistically to
think about this, right, to 

516
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,720
think about Crimson up in South 
Bend inside Notre Dame Stadium 

517
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,000
and, you know, finally getting 
confirmation that touchdown 

518
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,360
Jesus, you know, was actually 
just the tail end of going IU, 

519
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,240
you know, up there in South 
Bend. 

520
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,520
And like I there's there's so 
much history there. 

521
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:27,640
And and now this new found kind 
of like rekindling of of, you 

522
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,040
know, IU football history on 
this new era. 

523
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,520
Like it's it's it's kind of like
an old versus new, but still it 

524
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,040
feels very kind of familiar. 
Like it's there's so many, so 

525
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,240
many kind of odd and and fun and
really intriguing storylines 

526
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,920
between these two schools, which
what haven't met since since 91.

527
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,440
And it has not been a 
particularly great history for 

528
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,600
for the Hoosiers, But right, you
know, neither has the last 20 

529
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,320
years. 
And we're putting all that to 

530
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,640
bed now. 
Last question for you, how 

531
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,240
excited will you be after 
Indiana beats Notre Dame to be 

532
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,840
able to kind of go back home to 
the show, buddy? 

533
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,920
Buddy, I'm trying, I'm trying 
to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to

534
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,040
pull the Kurt Signetti here. 
I'm trying, hey, focus 

535
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,800
day-to-day play to play Rep to 
Rep, practice to practice. 

536
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,920
But yeah, I'd be lying if I 
haven't thought about that. 

537
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,280
My wife is, is already, you 
know, tried to, to book a, a 

538
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,400
ticket to come down with me if 
we're able to make that trip. 

539
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,160
And man, that would be that 
would be incredible. 

540
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,400
Because I know, I know that 
given a proper allotment of 

541
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:36,320
tickets that IU fans will show 
up by the thousands on Bourbon 

542
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,000
Street down, down in the French 
Quarter, down in the Warehouse 

543
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,000
District and then inside the 
Superdome on New Year's Day for 

544
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,200
a Sugar Bowl match up with 
Georgia. 

545
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,960
So much to look forward to and 
it all starts this Friday as 

546
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,800
Indiana takes on Notre Dame. 
Rhett, I hope to see you up 

547
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,560
there. 
Yes, and thanks for taking the 

548
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,600
time to join us as we continue 
to wide through our week of the 

549
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,080
College Football Playoff as 
Indiana takes on Notre Dame this

550
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,200
Friday. 
We'll go ahead and wrap it up 

551
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,200
here, folks. 
Thanks for joining us. 

552
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,240
We got one more podcast before 
the game, so keep an eye out for

553
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,640
that. 
My thanks again to Rhett Lewis 

554
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,120
from NFL Network for joining us 
here. 

555
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:09,720
And my thanks to all you folks 
for listening in. 

556
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,480
We'll catch you folks. 
On the flip side, I'm Galen 

557
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,600
Clavio for Crimson Cast. 
Bring back the bison. 

558
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,800
Stay. 
Never daunted. 

559
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,440
Go out, you call everybody.
