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You're listening to the back 
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field apparel, welcome back to 
Crimson, Cask ale and clavius 

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got Caulfield back with you. 
Once again here on the 9th of 

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October Indiana, 3 and 3 in the 
conference losses at home. 

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Last so I guess it was yesterday
day to the Michigan Wolverines, 

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we're going to talk about that. 
We might get a little Hoosier 

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hysteria talking as well at the 
tail end because one of us 

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attended, not Scott, but one of 
us attended. 

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So we'll chat about all that but
Scott, first of all good to see 

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you. 
How you doing? 

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Good to see you too man. 
Doing great doing great. 

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Awesome. 
You know you hate the fall and 

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you know you're a big Gator that
but yesterday like that was such

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perfect fall football. 
Rather like how can you leave a 

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day like yesterday and be like, 
I don't, I don't like this. 

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Well, I lie. 
I mean, honestly you're right, 

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the weather was nice but I would
have the weather would have been

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nice if it had been 15 degrees 
warmer too, you know. 

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So look, I don't have any 
complaints about the weather. 

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Yesterday, I even even in the 
morning, like, I got up at six, 

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I got up at 5:45 a.m. so that I 
could pack the truck and drive 

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to Oriole Stadium at 650, which 
is when I got there. 

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So it was dark. 
You know, my oldest kid was with

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me. 
She was cold. 

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I was cold. 
It wasn't like freezing. 

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I mean, it was close. 
I think the temperature was 

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like, 36. 
We were lucky because it wasn't 

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windy, which it normally is, or 
at least somewhat Breezy. 

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And when without the wind, 
honestly, the morning ended up 

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being very nice, it was kind of 
Hoodie, whether I started with a

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knit cap and then transitioned 
over to To a ball cap and it 

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was. 
Everything was fine. 

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I didn't really have any 
complaints except for maybe the 

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first 20 or 30 minutes but it's 
also not my favorite, whether 

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it's fine. 
I mean it wasn't offensive so I 

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just it doesn't I don't I will 
not look back and say gosh 

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remember that October day that I
was at an IU football game and 

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the weather was amazing. 
It's probably going to be 

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something that gets out of my 
head relatively quickly, but for

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those of you who that provides a
vitality and a reaffirmation 

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ocean of Your Love of life and 
you know, whatever that great, I

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think that's awesome. 
I wish you folks the absolute 

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best in feeling that way. 
It was one of the, you folks in 

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the Galen Universe. 
I accept that and I enjoy the 

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weather. 
Yesterday was cold in the 

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morning? 
No doubt about that, but now, 

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but it was a good day. 
Overall, in terms of the 

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homecoming festivities, were 
fun, and the crowd, it wasn't a 

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full Stadium, but there was a 
nice tailgate seen out there. 

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We had a really Nice tailgate 
seen. 

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Okay, Scott so let's talk about 

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the game and you know this was a
game obviously that I you was 

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not expected to win. 
Talked about it a little bit in 

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our preview or excuse me, our 
recap podcast. 

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Last week, we also talked about 
it on this podcast in the 

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preview and there's really kind 
of two things you can take away.

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I think from this game overall 
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one is I think you have to tip 
your cap to Tom Allen and the 

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defensive coaching staff for how
up that team was to play in the 

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first half. 
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even In into the third quarter, 
you know you're missing cam 

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Jones there was that was a 
surprise. 

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You know, I'd heard some 
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before and I was like well gosh 
that's going to be a real 

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problem if he can't play and 
sure enough he was unable to 

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play but you know I really 
thought overall the defense did 

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a really nice job stymieing 
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They Michigan really looked like
they were struggling to figure 

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out how to unlock Indiana's 
defense, the secondary I thought

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played really well had some key 
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You know, tackling I thought was
pretty good overall and it's a 

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shame that no one's going to 
remember that down the line. 

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I mean, that would it ended up 
being kind of a wasted effort 

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which essentially kind of bleeds
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talk about which is just, it's 
not, it can't be this difficult 

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to score points and, and move 
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looked kind of decent on offense
for the first half, not great. 

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But hey, you'll take ten ten at 
home. 

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Against a top five team pretty 
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And I thought that in the first 
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made a lot of adjustments, and 
it was doing some different 

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sorts of things and gave. 
A lot of people, myself 

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included, some optimism that I, 
you might be able to continue 

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that in the second half. 
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happened, I use offense ground 
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Their defense could no longer 
hold black hold back the the 

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tidal wave of what Michigan was 
trying to do and it ended up 

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being a 21-point loss for this 
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I mean, it's kind of a mixed 
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Scott, how did you come out of 
the game in terms of like how 

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you felt about the effort and 
how you felt about the way 

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Indiana approach things? 
It's funny. 

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We went out with some friends 
last night and I was telling me 

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overall, it was a great game 
experience like the weather was 

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awesome. 
We had a, we had a very smaller 

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much smaller tail. 
Get I wanted to get over two 

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years. 
The pancake Taco idea, sounded 

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awesome, our mutual friend, Matt
came over and was telling me 

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about it was like, ah, no, we 
just had to do nothing coffee 

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but it was, it was a fun 
atmosphere, like I'm throwing 

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the football with my boys. 
We're having a blast, the 

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weather's great. 
They have a good time at the 

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game. 
They're watching most of the And

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I'm telling you all my friends 
this like, you know, it was a 

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really fun day and he's like, 
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Like what do you when you come 
back and talk about the weather 

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and everything but the game is 
that gets and you said you had a

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good day or team sucks us. 
Think about this morning is like

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that is true. 
It's like I don't I rarely go to

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IU basketball games at come back
and back in the atmosphere was 

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awesome like oh we lost by 30 
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was was just fantastic but the 
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I'm like you the effort was 
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glimmer there. 
We were kind of on Twitter and 

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some other friends texting it's 
like art which which version of 

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the Michigan losses is going to 
be like, how are we going to get

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our hearts ripped out? 
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the start of the third quarter 
where I'm like something feels 

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slightly different. 
Like the effort has not given up

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on defense, you know, we're it 
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then it did and then it all kind
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The two things that I look at it
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Are you know one it's actually 
not going to be what you think 

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I'm gonna Go to, but there was 
that play with the super the we 

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had the touchdown, the super 
late you know, past it offensive

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pass interference penalty. 
I don't want to dig into that 

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because one play does not a game
make but I look at this is very 

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Indiana. 
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So its first and 25, you know, 
we're uh we're sorry, we're down

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6:50 first and 25 on the 
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incomplete. 
A pass, broken up, but then we 

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do a shot. 
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Run up the middle for two yards 
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it's like okay the Shrivers run 
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there's a 1% chance that breaks 
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There's also a chance. 
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Cincinnati where it gets punched
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We fumble in the Red Zone like 
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basically you're in the you're 
in the 25-year not like in the 

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Red Zone, but you're in scoring 
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You're trying to beat a top four
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into Downs. 
Like, your basic is giving up a 

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down and I With the answer is 
because I don't know what plays 

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are going to run on offense and 
I'm not here to tell you what to

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run but it's like I know that a 
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you're just you're basically 
resigning yourself to a field 

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goal and I don't think you can 
do that and then in the second 

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half as you mentioned the 
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to a point I was telling us to 
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I was sitting with like you 
know, Bay's lack was put in this

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position where it's like he had 
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I don't feel bad for him at all.
And he what he was doing is he 

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had to choose between a couple 
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It's like, our he's got to just 
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the ball and wait for someone to
get open and get sacked or he's 

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got to throw the ball away 
intentionally early, which he 

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was doing a lot, but it's like 
you do that enough and you just 

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go three and out. 
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this is going to lead to at some
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He's going to just try and shove
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It shouldn't go and it's going 
to be a Pick 6 and I'm like it's

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not going to be his fault 
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your base, like, I'm tired of 
throwing the ball to the end. 

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Sideline, he didn't end up 
throwing the pick-6 but to your 

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point of it can't be this hard 
since the last two drives 

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against Cincinnati. 
In the second half we have had a

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total of 15 drives in a second 
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in. 
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We've yet to have more than a 
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And here are the results of 
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Turnover on Downs. 
Turnover on Downs, interception,

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go into the Nebraska game, 
interception punt, punt punt 

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punt, punt over on downs. 
And then in Michigan punt, punt,

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punt, punt. 
Punt over on downs. 

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And you, you can't do that. 
It does also beg the question of

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like, we need to start talking 
now that we're into the kind of 

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competition. 
We're going to have the rest of 

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the year, you know, what are the
halftime adjustments were 

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making? 
Because it looks like our 

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offense is completely DOA in the
second half and you just you 

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can't have this and Frustrating.
Because Yeah, I don't go into 

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this game thinking, we're going 
to be Michigan, but as we have 

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said, numerous times on this 
podcast, there was a win there, 

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like there was a possible win 
there. 

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It wasn't as bad as a 21-point 
loss as it felt when you were 

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there. 
There was a wind to be at least 

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contended for and our offense 
looked completely unable and it 

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goes all end with this. 
It goes back to me, it always 

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goes back to the offensive line.
Like that was the problem. 

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It's gotten a ton of press. 
Everyone's tweeting about it. 

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Something that I feel like you 
and I have been talking about 

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for a while. 
I had the podcast with punch, 

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John punch to start the year, 
something you and Taylor Layman 

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talked about and you know, you 
hear Tom Allen on the postgame. 

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It's like we know it's problems 
going to be addressed like, all 

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right, well nothing's going to 
happen but it does. 

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I was also kind of like the flip
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like, all right. 
So if they fire Hiller, it is 

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kind of funny. 
It's like, if you thought of 

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like, if you looked at like, you
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when they're just like, you 
know, Five and Twenty Three and 

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they're like, hey, we're firing 
our third assistant. 

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You be like, okay, well that's 
not solving anything. 

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So there is a there is a thing 
to where it's like, you know, if

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we just like, let's just say, 
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team that has won five games and
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going to unlock everything. 
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definitely on the train of like 
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even going to go against myself,
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solves Also, suddenly were top 
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very a ton of high-level 
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yesterday. 
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that we saw and it was it's five
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be like, hey, wait a minute. 
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somebody would listen. 
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Yes, look, there's no question 
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with this team because you know 
Connor basil like yesterday in 

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the college game, they count 
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the quarterback and basil act 
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- 61 yards. 
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see. 
Counter basil, act not looking 

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downfield, and winging the ball 
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trying to brace for the 
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heavy Michigan Defender that was
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After yet, another blown pass 
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ball period. 
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or maybe to nice runs total out 
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to you got for He's this time, 
which, I mean that's, that's big

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news and three catches so they 
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nothing consistent. 
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tenths of a yard per carry. 
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they had 25 carries for positive
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When you take that yardage away 
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that as a football team and so 
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and the Situation. 
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start to notice these changes in
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If you'll recall where you know,
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press conferences, he's talking 
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execute and then there was like 
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the Minnesota game last year 
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conference. 
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kind of tearing into this, you 
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are Being made and, you know 
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That's probably it for Nick 
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about the offensive line. 
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as Dustin to appear act I think 
it was pointed out in his column

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in the star today. 
It's that mean that's a 

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complicated thing to do. 
Do you have somebody else in the

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building? 
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offensive lineman? 
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that you could hire anybody into
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do better than what is currently
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But that that leaves a lot of 
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A lot of day-to-day stuff out. 
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both been on this, but it's like
and, you know, coaching football

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his heart. 
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better, but it's like in the end
you screwed up and like the the 

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decision should have been made 
last offseason. 

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Look at this point. 
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offensive line. 
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look at it as like, it's were 
already locked in for this year.

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Again, if you fire him, whoever 
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It's like it's going to be 
completely just triage. 

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You can't make an offensive 
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change in four days. 
Before you play, Marilyn a game,

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you have to win. 
It's like you to me. 

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It's like, I think people who 
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make a change now, it's like 
they're missing the point where 

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it's like, this is all that we, 
you know, Alan or whomever 

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screwed up in the offseason like
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Made your cards are dealt, like 
this is wet. 

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Some this is not wet cement. 
This is hard cement like this is

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what the offensive line is going
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if you hire a way Alabama's 
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them here. 
I don't think the changes can be

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made, like I said, in three days
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So like that's where I get 
frustrated is like all of this 

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talk not at you because all this
talk it's like doesn't make any 

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difference like. 
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go back in time and like like 
that's where I do Wonder like 

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does does Alan like take a 
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reactionary. 
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I really screwed that up. 
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this offseason not making the 
same, you know, sins that I made

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the last 12 Seasons because it's
like we're stuck with this for 

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the rest of this season. 
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I mean, that's what I'm saying. 
I mean, look, I think from an 

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accountability perspective. 
Yes, you need to make a change 

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like that the, the offensive 
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And it's not a, you know, I 
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thing. 
I just think it's a skill and 

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development and skiing thing. 
I'm sure the guys are Trying 

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their best but they are in many 
cases, they are, they're not 

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capable Big, Ten level 
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they are playing in a system 
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unblock consistently. 
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know, Zack austrians piece in 
the star today is really good 

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because it touches on a bunch of
this. 

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And, you know, he brings up that
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you know whatever you whatever 
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Offense, you're not going to 
have an offense, if you can't 

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block for it. 
And ultimately, there's there's 

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just too many holes in what's 
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And there's too many gaps in in 
protection and coverage and 

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everything and that is you know,
you should have a change from an

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accountability perspective just 
like there should have been a 

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change at the offensive 
coordinator position last year 

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because that offense was was 
horrible and that was more of a 

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systematic thing. 
But the problem is more 

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fundamental, it's not just 
changing. 

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The coach is going to fix it all
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think it was Dustin. 
Mentioned this in his piece, 

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like you're talking about, you 
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the offensive line. 
Now you're basically starting 

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from scratch with what looks and
I haven't looked at every single

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lines numbers in the Big Ten, 
but this looks like the worst 

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offensive line in the 
conference. 

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It might be the worst offensive 
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right now. 
It's it's, you know, I mean you 

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may be Colorado's got a worst 
one, there might be one or two 

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other teams but your I mean when
you're in that company, that's a

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real problem. 
And I think this is been a weird

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aspect of the Tom Allen era. 
Is that he's not necessarily 

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acted proactively about 
problems. 

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That seem pretty clear and 
obvious, you know, not just to 

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people like you and me who 
aren't experts per se. 

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But just looking at numbers and 
statistics and and looking at 

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how you rank against all of the 
competition that you're playing,

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we saw that with the first two 
years of offense, with IU under 

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Mike deboard. 
Where, you know, it was clear 

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that there was a real problem. 
And that, you know, that's got 

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one of those situations. 
It's one of those situations 

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where we create a problem that 
then gets kind of randomly fixed

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with this hiring of a new 
offensive coordinator. 

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It looks good for a season and a
half, is a little bit of carry 

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over there. 
I don't know, it's really 

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fascinating because I, I don't 
know that Alan has demonstrated 

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yet that he's able to make 
consistently good. 

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Proactive, decisions about The 
composition of the coaching 

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staff and the way that the team 
has put together and it's, I'm 

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not trying to be overly 
critical. 

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I'm just saying, like, you know,
you look at this, all of this 

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that we're seeing right now, was
pretty predictable. 

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And the idea that he had all of 
these meetings, with all of 

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these, all the players, and all 
the coaches and decided, like 

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actively decided, we're going to
go back to war with this 

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particular setup. 
That didn't work well last year,

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because I believe it's going to 
improve. 

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I mean, that was a real leap of 
faith. 

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That was a Gamble by Allen and 
it clearly hasn't worked out. 

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And that's so now it's like, I 
don't know what the answer is 

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Scott because there's there's 
really not much fixing of an 

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offensive line in the middle of 
the season. 

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And at this point, it's hard 
like I think you look at the 

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schedule that Indiana's got and 
you look at the inability to 

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just score points and it really 
does make me concerned about the

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way the rest of the season goes.
And I don't know what you do. 

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Like you're you're really your 
Verging into some dangerous 

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territory there because last 
year, the big story about this 

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team that we were told this 
offseason was a bunch of guys, 

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lost faith on the roster and 
that led to a bunch of transfers

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at the end of the season. 
I mean, how do you keep Faith as

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I you football, when you give a 
really good effort in the first 

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half against the top five team 
and then you just drifts away 

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because you're incapable of 
executing in the second half and

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the end up losing by 21 that 
patterns more likely to Continue

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the not. 
So yeah it's a big mess at this 

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point Scott and it's a real 
shame. 

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It was it was certainly not 
anything. 

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Anybody wanted to have happen 
and you just wish that. 

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Like you said, some different 
decisions had been made because 

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this was not unpredictable as, 
you know, as we as we thought 

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about things in the offseason. 
Well, it's you know, Alan has 

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said himself, he doesn't, he 
doesn't get involved in the 

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offense, he, you know, can't, 
you know, doesn't I don't think 

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doesn't know, but like he, he 
definitely defers a lot to the 

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offense of Coordinator on the 
offensive side of the ball and 

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this, it feels like when he 
starts getting asked these 

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questions. 
You'll very pointedly about the 

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offensive lines and all right, 
fine, I'll step in and deal. 

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He's just, you know, completely 
hands-off for the offense. 

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And it's the two things I will 
say is it's it's tough because I

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hate to keep coming back to like
it. 

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It's just ceases up the entire 
team, like the metrics of 

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yesterday's game may not be 
great with the way that Michigan

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ended with the point total in 
the yardage, but you were there.

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I mean you were there. 
I was there, did he? 

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Play great like they were 
playing tough. 

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They were, they were all over 
the place but it's like it's 

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when the offensive when the 
offense comes out and goes 3 and

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out in, you know, less than a 
minute and put the defense back 

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on your, you're like Allen's 
hurting his own defense. 

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Like the it's just it's it's 
affecting everything in the team

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and then where I get frustrated,
this is something that's 

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honestly predates, Allen is 
always frustrated me with IU. 

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Football is again I go back to 
that those, you know, you had 

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three plays to score to try and 
score a touchdown to pass. 

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Passes and then just you know, a
little handoff inside and the 

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line that keeps going to my head
and I thought this is the entire

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second half is like IU football,
doesn't have the luxury of being

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conservative. 
Like you just don't get to just 

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we're going to keep trying to 
throw with Bayes lack, it's like

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alright, let's try more Crossing
routes or like, are we got at 

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least do a run up the middle to 
keep him honest. 

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Like it's not working like none 
of this is working and there 

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does come a point and I'm again 
I cannot stress this enough. 

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Like I don't think any of these 
problems are based lacks issues.

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I'm not sure I can. 
Evaluate based like a 

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quarterback at this point, not 
in a bad way. 

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I just I've not seen him really 
have time without being under 

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duress to be a quarterback, but 
so I'm not at all saying you 

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need to replace it. 
But I do think at some points, 

442
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:40,400
like, could we maybe put 
somebody else under Center, just

443
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,700
who can run like maybe have a 
direct snap to jail and Lucas 

444
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:46,200
like, and I'm not saying you go 
wild, but at some point, it's 

445
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,900
like, guess what US just 
throwing twice and running once 

446
00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:53,100
as an offense is not working. 
Like we have two and a half 

447
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:55,100
game. 
This is not Working. 

448
00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:58,000
I don't want to go down like 
this, like, at least let's 

449
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,800
fight. 
And that well for three weeks. 

450
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,500
Here's his here's the thing is 
what I do. 

451
00:24:02,508 --> 00:24:06,200
It's just we can't keep doing it
but that we did this last year 

452
00:24:06,500 --> 00:24:10,400
and remember like the the 
passing game wasn't working and 

453
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,600
and Tuttle ended up getting 
injured and they put McCully out

454
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,400
there who could run and the 
offense was even less functional

455
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:20,400
than it. 
Had been with Tuttle in there, I

456
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,200
get what you're saying. 
But look, having somebody who 

457
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,300
can run is not. 
In to fix the lack of blocking. 

458
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,300
It's just give you need blockers
for that person to be able to 

459
00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:33,100
run. 
I mean, Michigan was absolutely 

460
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:37,300
upending Indiana's line with 
four man Rush has yesterday. 

461
00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:41,300
I mean, it's not like, I just, I
think to some degree. 

462
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:46,000
People forget how much blocking 
is required to effectively, run 

463
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,900
a bootleg, how much but 
blockings effectively required 

464
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:52,000
to run an option. 
It's not just as simple as 

465
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,900
saying that's roll the 
quarterback out of the pocket. 

466
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:58,000
And so So I you know the other 
issue and this was something 

467
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,600
that I think was partially due 
to Michigan just being a good 

468
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,900
defensive team but was also due 
to the lack of real Playmakers. 

469
00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:10,200
Save one in the IU, receiving 
Corps is that it takes our 

470
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,600
receivers too long to get open 
and they're running routes. 

471
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:19,000
That are largely, I think too 
deep based on what the 

472
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,700
protection will actually allow 
Connor basil act to throw, you 

473
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:25,600
know. 
So you know by the time Get to 3

474
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,300
or 4 seconds, and the receivers 
are finally getting into a spot 

475
00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:31,500
where you might want to throw 
them the ball, they're either 

476
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:34,900
not open because they're not 
capable of getting open or 

477
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:36,600
basil. 
Acts protection has already 

478
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,200
broken down and now he finds 
himself having to either eat it 

479
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,300
or throw the ball out of bounds 
or throw an inaccurate pass. 

480
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:45,700
I'm with you in that it's hard 
to judge. 

481
00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:49,300
Connor basil act as a player 
right now. 

482
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:53,100
You know, I think if you look at
his overall grades, when he's 

483
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:56,800
not pressured, He's been all 
right you know I mean you look 

484
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,800
at what he's done over over the 
course of the season and he's 

485
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,400
gotten he was pretty good in the
Illinois game and then he hasn't

486
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,500
really been great since then. 
But what's fascinating to me is 

487
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:15,200
your he got essentially kind of 
recruited over or whatever you 

488
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,700
got replaced. 
Essentially at Mizzou, he was a 

489
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:21,100
much better better quarterback 
last year by the numbers than he

490
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:22,900
has been this year. 
I don't think that's because 

491
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:24,400
Connor Bane's like got 
significantly. 

492
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,300
Worse. 
I just think it's because he's 

493
00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:27,700
playing behind the significantly
worse. 

494
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:31,200
Offensive line and I get what 
you're saying, but I you can't 

495
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,300
block to run with running backs.
Why would they suddenly be able 

496
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:38,200
to block to run with a 
quarterback like I mean that 

497
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,600
that might work for a couple of 
plays and then that person might

498
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,700
end up getting maimed because as
we've seen now I you tries 

499
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:49,100
something, it works for a player
to and then the other team 

500
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:52,600
adjusts and that's it, that, 
that trick is over at that 

501
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,200
point. 
Yeah, I think that's it's it's a

502
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,900
fair point. 
I just at a high level. 

503
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:04,100
It's just frustrating seeing us 
trying to kind of play a 

504
00:27:04,108 --> 00:27:06,400
conventional game and just 
getting ground down. 

505
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,000
Like, you know, I'm not even 
saying put a runner back there. 

506
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000
I'm just like, you know, this 
was something but who come on, 

507
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,900
but who. 
But who would you put out there?

508
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:17,000
You know, I don't know what I'm 
saying is like, this is where I 

509
00:27:17,008 --> 00:27:20,200
feel like I'm on an island but 
there is, there is glimpses of 

510
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,700
this. 
And the bill in share were built

511
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:25,000
Lynch would just run weird sets,
or he'd have liked Run it wide 

512
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,100
receiver scatter in the side or 
just like, so I'm not even 

513
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:30,800
saying you do that and it's 
like, it seems like we need more

514
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,900
unconventional play colleague. 
We just, we need something, I 

515
00:27:35,908 --> 00:27:38,000
don't know what it is, but I 
definitely know that I'm not 

516
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,600
seeing it on the field because 
as you said, it got to a point 

517
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,300
in the second half where it's 
like Michigan's, all right, 

518
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:46,200
we're just gonna, you know, our 
front line is going to be able 

519
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,700
to put pressure and then we'll 
just use every third player s 

520
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:50,100
play. 
We'll just Blitz one more, dude.

521
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:51,300
It's like he's gonna get 
straight to the base. 

522
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:55,000
Like, it, it, it's anyway. 
I don't No, I don't know. 

523
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,500
The answer is but it's tough 
because it is such a problem and

524
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:01,900
I don't see it solving anything.
But again the I think the thing 

525
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:06,000
that should be concerning for 
everybody is all of these 

526
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,100
problems really really all show 
up after halftime. 

527
00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:12,700
So is it just are we getting 
that much tired? 

528
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:15,700
Is it Michigan's T meal? 
I can understand the idea. 

529
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:18,400
Alright Michigan's got a better 
backup system than we do, you 

530
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,200
know overall better team. 
It's like I guess anything about

531
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,000
Nebraska like same thing about 
Cincinnati like we've You know, 

532
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:28,500
Michigan's an elite team 
Nebraska's a mess team 

533
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,000
Cincinnati's, a middle-level TV,
kind of have all levels there 

534
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,400
and you're seeing the same thing
over and over again. 

535
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,100
Is that we come out of halftime 
and it's like the other team has

536
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:39,600
figured some stuff out or 
they're just pushing harder and 

537
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,200
then we completely seized up on 
offense in the second half. 

538
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,300
And that's that's very 
concerning because last I 

539
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:51,000
checked I think all the rest of 
our games are scheduled for four

540
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,900
quarters. 
I don't think we're playing any 

541
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,600
games at halftime and so You 
know, this does also beg the 

542
00:28:55,608 --> 00:28:58,700
question, what, what are other 
teams seeing that they're 

543
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:00,800
adjusting to? 
And what are we not seeing and 

544
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,500
not adjusting to? 
Yeah, well, I mean, I don't even

545
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:06,600
know if it's adjustments. 
I just think I, you goes into 

546
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,900
every game with a limited amount
of things that they can do 

547
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,600
effectively and when they burn 
through those, and when the 

548
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,200
opponent sees all of them, 
that's kind of it, you know. 

549
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,700
And then it's a matter of can 
the opponent make enough plays 

550
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:23,900
and this is essentially what 
happened to the Nebraska game. 

551
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:27,200
The opponent make enough plays 
to get far enough ahead that 

552
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,900
Indiana is just not able to 
execute. 

553
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:32,600
I mean, the negative yardage in 
the fourth quarters of these 

554
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,500
last couple of games has really 
been out of. 

555
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,700
I mean, it breaks your brain to 
think about and, you know, 

556
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:42,000
there's not a lot you can do 
about it right now as a fan 

557
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,400
because there doesn't seem to be
a lot that the team can do about

558
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,800
it either. 
They just have a limited 

559
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,000
reservoir of ideas and a limited
Reservoir people who can execute

560
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,000
the ideas and that's That's 
unfortunate and it's kind of the

561
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,200
worst case scenario. 
And you know, to some degree. 

562
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,000
It's like you're really have to 
be thankful that Indiana got 

563
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,000
Illinois and week one because I 
think it allowed them to pull 

564
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,900
enough things out of the bag 
that they were no, no, I didn't 

565
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:12,400
know how to adjust there. 
Wasn't any film on what Indiana 

566
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,400
was doing on the offensive line 
with the passing game. 

567
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:20,600
I think if you play Illinois, 
now I think Indiana loses that 

568
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,200
game. 
Pretty handily both because 

569
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,000
Illinois has really put together
a really Season already, they're

570
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,500
probably going to be ranked 
today, but also, because I think

571
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:32,600
Indiana was found out very 
quickly, and it's a slightly 

572
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,200
better offense than last year. 
I mean, this year's offense is 

573
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,000
not in danger of scoring in 
double digits for the entire 

574
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,600
conference season. 
I think they're already up to, 

575
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,700
like, 54, 56 points, and they've
got six games left to play. 

576
00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:47,600
So it is an improvement over 
last year. 

577
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,000
I just what I when I watch this 
team and they were trying 

578
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000
different things, you know, they
had a lot of sets against 

579
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
Michigan. 
Where they had everybody 

580
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
basically within the boxes. 
You know, they were bringing the

581
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,900
wide receivers in they were 
trying to disguise their 

582
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:02,500
movements. 
They were, you know, they had a 

583
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:05,000
lot of good stuff where they 
were throwing to the right side 

584
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,000
short and then allowing people 
to block in front including that

585
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,700
touchdown that got called back 
at you know, towards the end of 

586
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:16,000
the first half but you can only 
do that for so long like other 

587
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,000
teams are going to look at that.
And they're going to say, oh if 

588
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,000
we stop this they don't really 
have a plan B and that's just 

589
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:26,800
How it is at this point? 
I mean, your I think this IU 

590
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,900
team could win another game. 
Maybe two, but probably only one

591
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:34,700
because they're you know there 
might be a team or two on the 

592
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:38,200
schedule that has enough 
problems of their own that they 

593
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,000
can't capitalize and it's to me 
it's the biggest Shame about 

594
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,500
this is if they'd gotten this 
defensive effort last week I 

595
00:31:44,508 --> 00:31:48,100
think they would have probably 
beaten Nebraska you know, 

596
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:50,400
because they maybe don't give up
the early touchdown and maybe 

597
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,200
they don't give up one of the 
late touchdowns but then when I 

598
00:31:53,208 --> 00:31:56,400
think that I'm like that would 
still have required them to move

599
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,800
the ball and get into a position
to score and that's where to me.

600
00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:05,200
The biggest obstacles are at 
this point and I don't know, I 

601
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,100
don't know if they're fixable 
and that's, it's a shame. 

602
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,800
It really is when you hit 
something on the pregame that I 

603
00:32:12,808 --> 00:32:16,900
thought was a really, really 
good point that, you know, I 

604
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:18,800
also don't want to hear anything
else. 

605
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,900
The rest of this year, I started
hearing a little bit in the 

606
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:23,800
postgame of Michigan, that, you 
know, listening to Fisher on the

607
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,600
drive. 
Home talking about, you know, a 

608
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,200
lot of injuries and was tough 
when you have this many 

609
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,900
injuries. 
It's like listen like that. 

610
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:31,400
That's part of it. 
But you brought up the point 

611
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,100
that this team is already, had a
lot of good luck like this team.

612
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:37,900
Could honestly be one in five 
right now. 

613
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:41,500
The Illinois and Western 
Kentucky games were both kind of

614
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:44,600
good luck games like those were 
50/50 games that we already won.

615
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:48,300
So you kind of can't use the man
just you know, Bad season like 

616
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:50,400
snake B. 
Like no we're not snake bit like

617
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,800
we've already had a lot of good 
luck this year if we could get 

618
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,600
some bad luck or some injury, 
Problems that kind of puts us an

619
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,600
even. 
And so I think that's a very 

620
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,000
valid point but I also it's like
this is as you know, high-level 

621
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,900
a lot of questions. 
You know, talking people 

622
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:04,400
yesterday kind of stay the 
program. 

623
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,700
Where are me? 
You know, it's tough a lot of 

624
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:08,800
those, you know. 
Hey, it's just tough. 

625
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,700
You a lot of guys are out and 
came Jones, what you gonna do? 

626
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:13,900
It's like it's tougher and 
tougher to do those to talk 

627
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:16,600
about those things when you're 
coming off of a 2 and 10 season,

628
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,000
like that is what the last year 
does is. 

629
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,200
There's just there's so much 
less room for very variance and 

630
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,500
it's also like at some point. 
If you can't keep like I at some

631
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:27,900
point this work. 
I'm getting unhealthy. 

632
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:28,800
Everything. 
I just don't care. 

633
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,800
I can't go two and ten three and
nine every single year. 

634
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,800
And even if excuses are 100% 
valid, it's like I just get 

635
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,400
tired of hearing it. 
I think that's where we're set. 

636
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,000
Sadly veering into. 
And you know, the really scary 

637
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,600
thing that you also alluded to 
is, I don't know. 

638
00:33:44,608 --> 00:33:46,900
There's a, there's not a fix 
this year for the offensive 

639
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,400
line. 
But even as you know, like we 

640
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,000
said, if they make a change to 
the offseason, it's not sudden 

641
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,900
like all right. 
Well, you know, I think. 

642
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,900
I'm gonna definitely, you know, 
you know, challenge, Ohio State.

643
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:58,800
It's like that. 
That solves a, you know, we have

644
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,200
a boat with like 17 holes. 
It's just like we're trying to 

645
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,200
fix the one biggest hole but 
offensive and takes like he 

646
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,000
said, 23 years to fix. 
We are at rock bottom. 

647
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,500
And so I even if you make a 
wholesale change at offensive 

648
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:15,800
line even if you know bring in a
whole new transfer portal class 

649
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,199
in the new coach I think is 
probably going to be a couple 

650
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,500
more years for the offensive 
line is functional mid-level, 

651
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:22,000
Big 10. 
So it's like what is our 

652
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,900
long-term goal here? 
This is what rat like it. 

653
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,400
It's very, it's a frightening 
proposition. 

654
00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:33,500
And again, I was going into this
game expecting to lose, but it's

655
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:37,800
just seeing complete ineptitude 
in the offense in the second 

656
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,000
half, that's just tough. 
Not knowing what the solutions 

657
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,900
are feeling. 
Like I'm not sure that our 

658
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:45,699
coaching staff knows what the 
solutions are because I'm not 

659
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:49,300
sure there are solutions. 
Yeah, it's I don't know, I 

660
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:51,000
thought about that a little bit 
after the game. 

661
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,800
It's like what I felt better if 
they had just lost if they'd 

662
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,500
been Then give they'd gone down 
Thirty one to ten and its core 

663
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:59,100
or 31 to nothing and it's scored
10 points towards the end. 

664
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,500
Would that have been? 
Yeah, a more optimistic feeling.

665
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:07,000
Look, I don't come out of this 
game like Angry at the team 

666
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:10,000
because I, you know, they 
weren't going to win and I 

667
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,500
talked about that in the, in the
pregame a Michigan's, a really 

668
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:16,000
good team and Indiana, isn't, 
you know, I think where it's 

669
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:23,600
frustrating though, is just 
watching how not prepped permit,

670
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,200
Preps, The wrong word I think 
but how how far away Indiana is 

671
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,600
from being able to play 
competitively for 60 Minutes 

672
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,300
against a team like Michigan. 
Because as we've talked about 

673
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:42,500
many times you take away 2020 
the covid year and I you you 

674
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,400
know, essentially goes through 
another season where they're not

675
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,500
able to pull off a victory 
against a top-level team in the 

676
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:52,000
conference. 
And that really does get 

677
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,300
frustrating after a while 
because we've seen in other 

678
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,500
programs be able to do it. 
And I think what makes it more 

679
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,100
the most frustrating about this 
program is that it felt like 

680
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:02,900
they had gotten closer to that 
level where they could be a 

681
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:05,100
dangerous team that could pull 
off an upset. 

682
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:08,400
And there was nothing in this 
game that said, you know, that 

683
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,400
it was going to be an 
impossibility. 

684
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,100
If I you pulls it together and 
plays really well but you just 

685
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:17,300
had this sensation in the back 
of your head or at least I did 

686
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:20,000
that. 
I you at some point was going to

687
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:24,400
pull the rug out from underneath
themselves by not doing Some of 

688
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,500
the fundamental things that 
needed to be done and that 

689
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:32,100
really is unfortunate, you know?
So look, I when I look at this 

690
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:36,600
game, I think that the effort 
was really good and yet, I don't

691
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,700
know how much of that effort and
that up for the game. 

692
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:43,100
This mentality wise that we saw 
out of this team in the first 

693
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:46,700
half is going to be rough 
located in, you know, next 

694
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:48,700
week's game when they're playing
Maryland. 

695
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:51,400
That's not you know I mean 
Maryland they're not going to be

696
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,400
ranked and you know, I Just 
don't think you'll see the guys 

697
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,900
up mentally and emotionally at 
the same level to play Maryland 

698
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:01,000
that they were to play Michigan.
And that's kind of the kiss of 

699
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,700
death because, you know, you 
look at the slow starts that 

700
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:06,500
have been deviled this team 
since the start of the season 

701
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:09,000
and then you look at the 
Michigan game and you're like, 

702
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,900
wow it would have been nice to 
have that kind of on the ball in

703
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:15,300
this right from the start, in a 
couple of these other games 

704
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:18,100
including the Nebraska game, 
maybe that ends up changing 

705
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:19,900
things up. 
So I don't know. 

706
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:22,700
We'll see what happens. 
You know this IU team continues 

707
00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:26,000
to struggle. 
In the on the offensive side and

708
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,000
I just don't know that there's a
lot of fixes for that you know, 

709
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,500
it's easy to say well why 
doesn't Walt Bell dial-up 

710
00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:33,800
display or that play? 
And I just don't know that it 

711
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,300
matters if you can't. 
If you can't block, I don't know

712
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:41,100
what you could dial something 
up, it will get diagnosed and 

713
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:43,600
addressed by the opposing team's
defense, and then you're 

714
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,100
basically back to square one and
it's fair to. 

715
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,600
It does feel like a weird, you 
know, medieval torture device 

716
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,800
that this team starts for the 
most part slow, even against 

717
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,200
Michigan. 
We still did not have Heavily. 

718
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,000
I'm not sure. 
We've had a lead to start the 

719
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,100
game, any game this year? 
I think we've been down every 

720
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:01,500
single game, so you already have
a, you know, you're getting 

721
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:04,400
pushed on one end and now, it's 
like after halftime. 

722
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,700
I'm not sure if we can expect 
more than three points, so it's 

723
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:09,700
like, you're getting squeezed to
this like, we gotta win the game

724
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:12,600
from the middle of the first 
quarter till halftime. 

725
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,300
If you have a 13 and a half 
minute window that it feels like

726
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:17,500
we have to win the game, it's 
tough. 

727
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:20,300
Do you mind if I talk larger 
scale but a couple other random 

728
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:20,800
things. 
Yeah. 

729
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,800
Go ahead, please. 
I know this. 

730
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,200
With comes up, but we were both 
kind of joking on Twitter about 

731
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,900
this a little bit. 
I love my side. 

732
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,800
Modify, you fans like there 
were, there were Michigan fan 

733
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,300
sprinkled, and it's to be 
expected, you know? 

734
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:39,200
Students, this is a great 
showing. 

735
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,600
They not only showed up, they 
stayed through halftime, which 

736
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,600
you I haven't seen in. 
I can't remember the last game. 

737
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,900
I saw students. 
Stick through that with that 

738
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:53,500
many people staying through. 
That's great, The Faculty side, 

739
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,000
the other side. 
Side of the stadium that I stare

740
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,500
at was like, 95% Michigan. 
So a lot of those people. 

741
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:02,000
So their tickets but this is 
where you don't hear it as much.

742
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,500
So it's a bit of kind of a, you 
know, straw man argument I'm 

743
00:39:04,508 --> 00:39:07,700
making here but just the idea of
like 0iu fans, you know, like 

744
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:09,900
you once hysteria stars, all 
they care about is basketball. 

745
00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:12,600
It's like I'm tired of that. 
Like fans showed up students 

746
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,800
showed up, like people were 
there, there's support for this 

747
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,900
team and yeah, it's going to 
Wayne because at some point, 

748
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:21,400
people just find better stuff to
do the weather gets funky and 

749
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,500
it's like, I'm just I'm tired of
watching the same thing but You 

750
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:28,900
know, coming off of a tune 10 
year and a team that had lost 

751
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:32,900
two in a row, playing a Michigan
team that you know, you're a 22 

752
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:35,100
Point Underdog for that was a 
great crowd. 

753
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,200
Like that was a great, great 
crowd. 

754
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,100
And so I just, I want like five 
years reprieve from hearing 

755
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:44,300
about fans support and it's 
like, it's got to be the team. 

756
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,200
The question I have for you is 
we park in lot 9, we were not 

757
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,000
able to make it around to the 
South End Zone. 

758
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,100
I'm just curious about. 
If you made it over to game day,

759
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:55,400
I know you were there. 
Little bit on Friday, some of 

760
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,400
the work you already do. 
Like, I'm just curious any 

761
00:39:57,500 --> 00:40:00,700
thoughts on the, the big 
college, you know, Gameday, Fox 

762
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:03,200
set up that they had and 
anything you heard from that or 

763
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,500
just for people who weren't 
there, just share what it was 

764
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,000
now. 
I mean, I mean, the setup was 

765
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,800
nice. 
I didn't, I briefly kind of was 

766
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,300
able to poke my head over there.
It was, it was a good setup 

767
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:18,600
overall. 
I just it's tough because IU is 

768
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,200
not used to hosting those sorts 
of things, I think. 

769
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,600
And so, you know, I had heard 
that it was To get the crowd, 

770
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,800
fired up to some degree but 
that's, you know, this. 

771
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,200
It's just I think there's an 
awkwardness to some degree with,

772
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,100
you know, trying to get. 
I you fans to especially younger

773
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:39,600
fans to get like really fired up
in public about IU football 

774
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,000
because it's, I mean there just 
hasn't been a whole lot to grab 

775
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,400
onto in terms of success the 
last year and a half. 

776
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:47,800
You know, I wish that we'd had 
that, like, at the very 

777
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,800
beginning of last year. 
I think that it would have been 

778
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,500
pretty impressive and you would 
add a lot more people out there.

779
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:56,900
But the Set itself was kind of a
cool little thing that a couple 

780
00:40:56,900 --> 00:41:02,300
of different stages kind of 
between two control boxes, one 

781
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:06,300
of the which was elevated. 
So know I look I thought overall

782
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,300
I would hope that they come 
back. 

783
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:11,200
It'll probably only be for when 
Michigan or Ohio State are 

784
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,300
playing is because Michigan 
seems to be like the the go to 

785
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:17,200
big noon, Saturday, 18 weeks, 
three weeks in a row. 

786
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,800
They've been like, they're just 
traveling, if they should be 

787
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,400
like, Michigan's big noon 
Saturday. 

788
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,400
Yeah, exactly. 
But I know I was, I mean, look, 

789
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,200
I thought the Overall, 
atmosphere was pretty good, you 

790
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,500
know, not just for that but the 
overall outside atmosphere and 

791
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:31,400
even in a stadium, like you 
said, I mean, I think the 

792
00:41:31,408 --> 00:41:35,900
students deserve so much credit,
this is amazed two years in a 

793
00:41:35,908 --> 00:41:39,800
row. 
Now that students have packed 

794
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,800
Memorial Stadium and stuck 
around at Louisville's. 

795
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,300
I can't ever remember. 
I mean really, I mean, I think 

796
00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:51,200
back, you know, in my own 
student experience and now 

797
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,400
having been in Bloomington for a
while and Watching people coming

798
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,000
into the stadium. 
It's just really, it's jarring 

799
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,200
in a good way to watch this many
students wanting to be there. 

800
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,300
And I think what we're seeing is
there is a real appetite for 

801
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:09,900
successful football. 
There's a bunch of students who 

802
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:13,300
really want to get behind this 
team and I just wish that they 

803
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:16,600
were getting a better product to
root for at this point. 

804
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,600
And, you know, and unfortunately
as you said, now we head into I 

805
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,700
think next week, you know, will 
probably be the last. 

806
00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:27,200
Full student crowd. 
Hopefully not hopefully they 

807
00:42:27,207 --> 00:42:29,500
don't, they don't lose too many 
people and it'll be easier next 

808
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:32,500
time because it's a 3:30 kick as
opposed to being a noon kick. 

809
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:36,400
But after that, you know, the 
home games kind of their they're

810
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:42,600
clustered in November and that's
just a rough time to go and it 

811
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,300
depends on the weather and and 
again, as you talked about in 

812
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:49,500
the pregame, everybody kind of 
has their mental list, their 

813
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:53,000
mental moment where it's like, I
think the season is lost. 

814
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,200
I think it's time to Kind of 
pack it up and it does feel like

815
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,500
next week is going to be for a 
lot of people that week. 

816
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,600
Yeah. 
It's it's just a shame. 

817
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,500
We'll see what happens though. 
I mean the, the students I 

818
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,600
thought did a really good job 
overall and I was glad it's nice

819
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,100
to have that kind of support in 
the stadium. 

820
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:15,200
It really is and and I was 
sorry, one last thing. 

821
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,300
It's just you know, this is 
where you said it that. 

822
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:23,100
It's like I've not seen students
support like this for quite some

823
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:26,200
time and it's See it stay. 
I've seen the student section, 

824
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,600
get packed. 
And it's like, even in close 

825
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,200
games, people leave it half 
time, it's just kind of always 

826
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,100
been the way it goes, they 
State, like there was a I've 

827
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:35,600
seen games are were ahead and 
half a student section leaves at

828
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,900
halftime. 
It's just kind of girl, so it 

829
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:39,600
is, they stayed through that 
place was packed to the entire 

830
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:40,900
home. 
Coming through the entire 

831
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:42,900
Bandit. 
I don't honestly remember the 

832
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:46,600
last time I saw it that packed 
up to 27 28 section, you know, 

833
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,100
the section 27, 28, during the 
halftime show. 

834
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,700
And to me, this is the 
opportunity cost lost. 

835
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:59,100
Just if you can't keep it, if 
you get into some of the dark 

836
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:01,600
circles that you and I can get 
into when we talk, I you 

837
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,800
football, it's like there's this
thought of like, well, you know 

838
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,400
who cares because you know, they
know I you knows that no matter 

839
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,400
what they're going to get like 
thirty seven thousand people 

840
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,900
every year and it doesn't 
really, you know, there's a 

841
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:14,300
floor of what they're going to 
get, but if you can't 

842
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:18,800
functionally put a competitive 
product out there, to me, it's 

843
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,500
like this is what you lose. 
Like you're losing this 

844
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:24,800
interest, this this fire. 
And It's there right now. 

845
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,200
The Embers are burning and if 
you just let it die and like I 

846
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,600
was going to get, you know, the 
core 36,000 suckers were buying 

847
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,900
tickets every year and like they
know they're never going to, you

848
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:37,100
know, go under that, it's like 
but you're losing this. 

849
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,300
Well then tell me what, like it.
So it's yeah, this is what 

850
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:43,700
bothers me is like we have a 
real fire and this is the people

851
00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:45,400
who were there. 
These are the people. 

852
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,000
These are the donors that you 
need in 15-20 years that we 

853
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,100
don't have because we have. 
Anyway, I'm off on a tangent. 

854
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:53,000
No, but I mean something there 
there. 

855
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,900
To some degree. 
It's kind of the argument that 

856
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:59,600
has been made about IU 
basketball over the last 10-15 

857
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,500
years. 
It's like the product hasn't 

858
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:05,900
been great. 
I mean and you've had individual

859
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:12,000
good moments in there, but 
people develop lifelong affinity

860
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,300
for sports teams when they win 
when they're successful. 

861
00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:17,500
Now, you can still, you know, 
obviously you and I are both, 

862
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:23,000
are you football fans and that 
formed absent of a lot of steps 

863
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,400
really screwed. 
I didn't work, but I do think 

864
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,300
that, you know, people make 
decisions and look a, a really 

865
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:30,900
good. 
This is what made that 2020 

866
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:32,700
season in the way that it played
out. 

867
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,700
Obviously, it wasn't much. 
They could been done about it, 

868
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:38,100
but it was such a shame because 
to beat Michigan at home to beat

869
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:42,100
Penn State at home, and not have
those winds come in front of 

870
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:43,800
fans. 
That's, that's really 

871
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,100
unfortunate. 
Now, you know, I will say this, 

872
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:50,500
the, the home fans this year, 
the students have gotten three 

873
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,100
good. 
Well, to good weather games. 

874
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:55,900
And then the No game, I guess 
but they've gotten three wins 

875
00:45:56,700 --> 00:46:00,900
and those were fun games. 
And so it's not like you're 

876
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:03,000
leaving empty-handed and I think
to some degree, those early 

877
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,100
successes are probably a reason 
why students are showing up now 

878
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,400
still and maybe they will 
continue to do so, and I hope 

879
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,800
that they do. 
But this has been the age-old 

880
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,900
issue with with IU football is 
that people come to school? 

881
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:18,900
And they're like, oh, I should 
go to football games because 

882
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,200
while I'm at College, of course,
I would go to football games and

883
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:27,400
then They go and it's often 
disappointing and there's not a 

884
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,800
lot of success and there's not a
lot of winning and it becomes a 

885
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,900
less important thing. 
You know, what's important with 

886
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:36,300
battle is Men's Basketball that 
I think is going to be 

887
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:40,000
fascinating to watch is, how 
does how does the overall lack 

888
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,000
of success of the last 15 to 20 
years? 

889
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,300
Manifest 10 years down the line 
or 15 years down. 

890
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:48,100
The line are people less 
invested in IU. 

891
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:51,000
Men's basketball are people more
invest and I think this is 

892
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,400
clearly happening with IU 
Women's Basketball. 

893
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,100
Because of the success that 
they've had, and the fact that, 

894
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,200
you know, those are games that 
students go to as well and 

895
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,900
you're starting to really see a 
Groundswell not just in terms of

896
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:04,800
current students being 
interested in that team but also

897
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,600
young lumps being interested in 
that team and it's a completely 

898
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,100
different set up from a fan base
perspective from what it was 

899
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:15,800
say, 10 years ago. 
So look, it would be great to 

900
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,000
gift. 
This IU student body who has 

901
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,000
shown up and has really done a 
good job at the games with some,

902
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:26,700
some He's down the stretch here 
or at least some competitive 

903
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:30,200
games in the fourth quarter and 
we'll just have to see what 

904
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,600
happens with that. 
You know, I think Alan's done a,

905
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,200
you know, is that a better 
success rate on that than some 

906
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,200
of the previous coaches? 
I mean, you know, you go back 

907
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,100
and you think about some of the 
Winds Indiana was able to rack 

908
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:46,300
up at home in 2019, you know, I 
think those were those were 

909
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:52,500
helpful and, you know, even in 
the, you know, even in the games

910
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:55,400
that we saw last year, I mean, 
the Cincinnati game was at least

911
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,900
competitive in the Michigan. 
State game was was certainly 

912
00:47:57,900 --> 00:48:00,100
competitive, but you're gonna 
have to put some wins on the 

913
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:02,900
table at some point to keep 
people excited in the program. 

914
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:05,900
Overall not just alums and 
because I think with football 

915
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,000
it's got to come from the 
students because most alums are 

916
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,300
pretty Jaded by IU football 
because they've dealt with this 

917
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:14,800
over and over again and you and 
I are good examples of this. 

918
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,200
I mean if we if we come across 
as bitter or or jaded on the 

919
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,500
podcast, I mean it's just 
Decades of essentially watching 

920
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:25,000
this. 
Anything, I mean, Dustin Dopey 

921
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,700
Ragan is Q&A today, you know, 
and he's done this for a couple 

922
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:30,900
of weeks. 
Now keeps mentioning like they 

923
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,200
this team is program seems to 
find new ways to break the fans 

924
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,900
Hearts, like, every single time 
they go out and it really does 

925
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:40,700
feel that way. 
It's tough. 

926
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:44,400
As a, you know, somebody who's 
in the alumni base for a 

927
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,500
student. 
It's it's like, well, I don't 

928
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:50,400
know if this is something I 
really want to get fully 

929
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,300
emotionally invested in because 
this does seem to be a repeating

930
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:54,500
pattern. 
And so that's where you'd like 

931
00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:56,600
to put something positive in 
front of them so that they build

932
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,300
better memories and just a quick
book at him sitting there at the

933
00:48:59,300 --> 00:49:01,700
game with my friend, my friend 
Jeffrey, you know, we're just 

934
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:05,200
like talking about like you know
the house this game get in and 

935
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,400
we start real like oh like 
remember the other dinar Denard 

936
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,700
Robinson, like the non holding 
called Los, I got that one 

937
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:11,400
sucked. 
Like what all the the bolts will

938
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,000
possession like throw your gum 
and about that one is like oh 

939
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,200
remember the time we had the 
fourth in the fourth and goal 

940
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,300
and we lost its like we start 
rattling down all of like, like 

941
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:20,900
I wonder how we're gonna 
remember this loss. 

942
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:22,900
This is like the middle of the 
third quarter. 

943
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,000
Yeah. 
But you You go to that place, 

944
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,600
where it's like, I've seen so 
many of these Michigan games 

945
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,100
where it and you're right, you 
just, you become jaded. 

946
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:35,200
These are kind of cataloging, 
all of these and Michigan, seems

947
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,100
to be that team. 
That's like we're, they're 

948
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:40,200
definitely an Echelon above us, 
but we seem to have all of these

949
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,700
like almost Kana, Shoulda Coulda
Woulda. 

950
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:45,600
I mean, Ohio state is just like 
they are a steamroller that I 

951
00:49:45,607 --> 00:49:48,800
don't have any memory outside of
the penix 2020 game, where it's 

952
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,700
like, oh, all these clothes. 
Like I remember a lot of 49 to 

953
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:53,500
three losses, to Ohio State and 
Michigan. 

954
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:56,300
See Seems to have this Litany of
like games kind of like 

955
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:58,900
yesterday where it feels like 
there's a shot at some point and

956
00:49:58,908 --> 00:50:01,300
then it's like, oh no, I 
remember that game as we lost 

957
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:04,700
this way. 
Anyway, a couple other things to

958
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:07,900
talk about, I guess before we 
wrap up, one of them is 

959
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:11,600
obviously Hoosier hysteria 
happened on Friday, both the men

960
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:16,200
and the women getting some 
Justified publicity, an 

961
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,400
interesting event. 
And if you got a chance to watch

962
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,100
any of it or see any highlights,
I saw some highlights all some 

963
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:25,600
stuff from, I saw the car 
Woodson In on Terry Moore in 

964
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,300
separate car also. 
Cool, right. 

965
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:30,100
Yes. 
I have a couple of thoughts, but

966
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:32,900
you go first because you were 
there, and I just caught it very

967
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:34,000
good. 
Little Snippets here and there 

968
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,400
now. 
Yeah, I mean, it was, it was a 

969
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:40,900
fun event to be at, it was not 
anything, like, what we've seen.

970
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:42,800
I mean, it was always kind of 
like, what we've seen the last 

971
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:48,500
five or six years, but they 
definitely took some of the less

972
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:52,200
exciting aspects, like the dunk 
contest out of it. 

973
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:54,800
Either a couple other things. 
They took out it was a very, 

974
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,600
very tightly paced show. 
They started right at seven and 

975
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,100
they were basically done with 
everything, but the short 

976
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:06,500
scrimmage by 8:30, which was 
nice on a Friday night. 

977
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:13,600
You know, look, I mean, I think 
it's hard to tell really yet 

978
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,500
what we're going to see out of 
this IU basketball team on the 

979
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:23,100
men's side, but I do think that 
You can't, I could tell at least

980
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:28,400
looking at General Hood Savino 
and Malik renew by the way, it's

981
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,400
apparently Malik renew, it's not
Renault, we've been pronouncing,

982
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,300
it wrong all this time. 
So there you go. 

983
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,000
These guys physically look like 
I will continue to pronounce it 

984
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,800
wrong. 
Just I so Malik knows like Malik

985
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,100
just get ready, I've guess, I, 
yes, I can verify that. 

986
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:47,700
Yes, Scott will continue to 
pronounce it wrong but look what

987
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:49,800
I found. 
Fascinating those guys look 

988
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,200
physically. 
Like the class of player that I 

989
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,400
use been trying to get more 
consistently throughout their 

990
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,300
lineup, over the course of the 
last decade. 

991
00:51:59,300 --> 00:52:03,600
And you know, with very spotty 
success, I think, you know, I 

992
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,500
mean Woodson I love Woodson's 
kind of, you know, just kind of 

993
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:12,700
Carefree attitude that he exudes
because it's there's clearly 

994
00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:16,400
he's clearly trying to construct
something that might have some 

995
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,500
positive aspects. 
Not just in terms of this year. 

996
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:23,900
But just in terms of Kind of an 
overall cultural approach and 

997
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,700
you know, he's clearly I think 
got an idea of what he wants to 

998
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:33,200
do with this team. 
I'm really fascinated to see how

999
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,900
these players end up manifesting
as a working unit and we got a 

1000
00:52:38,908 --> 00:52:41,400
lot of time to talk about all 
that but this was a nice entry 

1001
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,100
point, I think because it was 
not really and I've been we've 

1002
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:47,100
been talking about this for a 
while now. 

1003
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:50,100
It was not really an event 
geared towards the fans. 

1004
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,900
Was an event geared towards 
recruits and that's really what 

1005
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:56,800
this sort of thing needs to be. 
You know, I think it's there's 

1006
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,500
an interesting philosophical 
thing with IU basketball, where,

1007
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:06,000
you know, because Bob Knight was
was very focused on trying to 

1008
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:10,100
keep things the way that he felt
like they should be done, which 

1009
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:13,300
was largely based on that what 
his experiences were in the 50s 

1010
00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:19,700
and 60s it created an 
environment where there's almost

1011
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:23,200
like this repulsion, And towards
doing things specifically aimed 

1012
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,200
at recruits like, well, no one 
man is bigger than the team and 

1013
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:28,400
you're applying for the name on 
the front of the Jersey, all 

1014
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,100
that stuff. 
Which look, I'm not trying to 

1015
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:33,400
denigrate that, but I do think 
that it puts you at a 

1016
00:53:33,408 --> 00:53:37,300
disadvantage in a world where 
there's a finite amount of 

1017
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:39,500
really talented basketball 
players. 

1018
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,300
And there's a lot of programs 
trying to get those players. 

1019
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:47,100
And most of those programs 
whether it's Kentucky, or North 

1020
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:51,000
Carolina or Michigan State, you 
know, they they are Have been 

1021
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,800
able Kansas. 
They've been able to construct 

1022
00:53:53,900 --> 00:53:56,600
environments that are geared 
towards recruits that the fans 

1023
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,300
are still a part of, but it's 
not about the fans, it's about 

1024
00:53:59,300 --> 00:54:01,300
the recruits and that's kind of 
how I felt about this event 

1025
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:03,800
overall and I was fine with it 
and I'd like to see more of 

1026
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,700
that. 
And so, look, I think overall, 

1027
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,200
if you were a recruit in 
Assembly Hall, watching the 

1028
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:13,900
intros and watching, you know 
what? 

1029
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:17,400
I think, we're probably fourteen
thousand people in the stadium 

1030
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,000
yelling and screaming. 
It was a pretty impressive 

1031
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,500
thing. 
And it's the kind of thing that 

1032
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:26,300
showcases what Indiana 
basketball can be, it can be a 

1033
00:54:26,308 --> 00:54:29,700
national player. 
It can be a program that's 

1034
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:32,700
attractive to really good, 
basketball players, all over the

1035
00:54:32,707 --> 00:54:35,300
country. 
And I think more events like 

1036
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:38,300
what they did on Friday are 
going to help, they're not going

1037
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:40,500
to hurt. 
You know, it's you may not get 

1038
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:43,400
recruits but it won't be for 
lack of trying, whereas I don't 

1039
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,200
know that we could have always 
said that before. 

1040
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,000
Yes, I do. 
Remember growing up in 

1041
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,500
Bloomington my dad and I would 
go to original midnight, 

1042
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:55,300
practice which used to be at 
midnight and you would bring in 

1043
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:58,400
a canned good to get in for free
so bring like a can of creamed 

1044
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,400
corn. 
It was always funny because 

1045
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,800
everyone get all excited and you
talk about not for recruits. 

1046
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,300
It was like Hey we're going to 
come out and do a three-man 

1047
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:07,400
weave where I got to talk to 
fans or go to a three-man weave 

1048
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,800
are going to a red-white 
scrimmage, then we're going to 

1049
00:55:08,808 --> 00:55:13,100
get out and there's like oh, 
that was it, we just watched us 

1050
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:18,700
to do practice. 
Well, You could do that when you

1051
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:22,300
had the entire college 
basketball World hypnotized, 

1052
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:26,600
which at that point bob Knight 
had that and he could run 

1053
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,100
things. 
However, he wanted and you know,

1054
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:34,100
it's funny because I think most 
fans that are our age and even 

1055
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:37,300
fans and maybe you're 5 or 10 
years younger, that's still how 

1056
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:39,200
it feels. 
Like it's supposed to be done 

1057
00:55:39,500 --> 00:55:42,000
like, where you're supposed to 
run it that way and it feels 

1058
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,400
kind of weird to be getting into
this space where you're kind of 

1059
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,100
nakedly, aiming it at trying to 
To, you know, make make the 

1060
00:55:48,100 --> 00:55:51,000
players look like superheroes 
and all that stuff. 

1061
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:56,100
But the flip side of it is that 
you have to evolve and the 

1062
00:55:56,100 --> 00:56:00,400
shadow like, you know, bob 
Knight the shadow of how he did 

1063
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,400
things. 
And the way that he tried to 

1064
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,400
approach, like all aspects of 
program control, still hangs 

1065
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,500
over this program. 
So heavily that, you know, they 

1066
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:12,800
should be able, I think to step 
in and do stuff like they did on

1067
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:18,000
Friday without any Any 
consideration that perhaps, 

1068
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,800
gosh, maybe we shouldn't be 
doing this, like, this, 

1069
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,000
shouldn't even be a second 
thought. 

1070
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,500
It's like, of course, you do it 
this way. 

1071
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,200
And yet, I feel like there's 
going to be a group of fans in 

1072
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,100
the in the program or any, you 
know, in the in the larger fan 

1073
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:32,100
base, who probably are going to 
be somewhat dissatisfied with 

1074
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:34,500
every aspect of these sorts of 
things. 

1075
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,600
And look, we didn't get a whole 
like a big. 

1076
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,200
Look at the team and I'm fine 
with that. 

1077
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,900
Like, I don't, we'll see them in
pre-season at the end of the 

1078
00:56:42,908 --> 00:56:44,900
month. 
And I think that, you know, at 

1079
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:46,900
that point, that's great. 
I don't need to sit through a 

1080
00:56:46,908 --> 00:56:51,400
practice to do, you know, I 
really just wanted to see some 

1081
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,000
excitement and they had some 
pyro in Assembly Hall and I 

1082
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,400
mean, it just was it was a nice 
event that didn't have to be a 

1083
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,900
basketball practice dressed up 
as something else. 

1084
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:03,800
No, I completely agree. 
There's somebody who's not into 

1085
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:04,900
work, really? 
I love that. 

1086
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:07,600
They do it this way and even if 
they were surprised, even if it 

1087
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,300
was the old days and practice 
like who's gonna get from a 

1088
00:57:09,308 --> 00:57:11,500
chimera went to Jamaica last 
year. 

1089
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:12,900
It's like we're talking about 
all the stuff that go. 

1090
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:14,700
I'm really seeing some great. 
It's like none of that came to 

1091
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:15,900
fruition. 
It's like nah nah. 

1092
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,200
You can't delete anything, you 
can glean very little out of 

1093
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,500
those early practices anyway, so
it's not like, I'm gonna see 

1094
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:23,600
that and be like, oh, I now we 
know everything. 

1095
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:27,000
It's like that's not going to 
translate to Illinois in 

1096
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,500
February. 
It's just, it's gonna be a 

1097
00:57:28,508 --> 00:57:31,400
different world. 
We get to their, I love this and

1098
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,300
it's not for me like you said, 
like, I and I just want it to 

1099
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:37,600
work to get good recruits here 
of which I don't know who they 

1100
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,100
are. 
I don't really care about the 

1101
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:41,900
process of 17 16 year old. 
I just wanted to work. 

1102
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:44,400
And when I see like, you know, 
they announced whoever, you 

1103
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,400
know, Gene ass or It was 
performing The iherb. 0g Hurt. 

1104
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,500
That's great. 
If I don't know who they are. 

1105
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:52,800
It's great. 
Like it worse they could be like

1106
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,100
it's like oh Huey Lewis the news
like that sounds like fun. 

1107
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,800
Wow. 
It's like that's not what you 

1108
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,000
want. 
Like I want to not know who the 

1109
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,400
hell is performing and to me, 
it's great. 

1110
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,700
No, I love the videos. 
I like the hype to me it's like 

1111
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,600
like you said, other programs 
are doing that. 

1112
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,500
So I kind of like taking the 
shackles off and let's see some 

1113
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:11,700
pyro in Assembly Hall. 
Like let's I'd like to see more 

1114
00:58:11,700 --> 00:58:13,600
of that in the intros during the
actual game. 

1115
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,300
The thing that I thought was 
funny just I also to I'm having 

1116
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:22,200
to push my own breaks a little 
bit because tie the stuff I saw 

1117
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,700
from you know Hood should be no 
seeing him just in little bits 

1118
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:28,500
of practice. 
He looks like the real deal. 

1119
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:31,000
We will wait, I need to wait and
see any to see him in an Indiana

1120
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:36,100
uniform in an actual game. 
I like seeing, you know, some 

1121
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:39,000
some comments from some Scouts 
and coaches who were there that,

1122
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,000
you know, like he's he is the 
real NBA prospect on this team. 

1123
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,900
That's interesting. 
That the one thing that I 

1124
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:48,400
thought was it's just funny is I
saw a comment where Tricia 

1125
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,500
Jackson Davis was saying like, 
oh, he's That's a one and done. 

1126
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:52,700
Like he's going to be a one and 
done. 

1127
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:55,800
I'm thinking to myself. 
So were you going into your 

1128
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,900
freshman year? 
You were a one and done. 

1129
00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:00,100
Like everyone has said you are 
one and done in like it now 

1130
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,700
because of a variety of 
circumstances, like we're 

1131
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:05,200
looking at your four of you. 
So there's a part where I'm 

1132
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,200
like, I need to wait and see, 
but I will just say this, as we 

1133
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,500
look at the team, we know what 
we're getting with the 

1134
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,900
frontcourt and we know what 
we're getting with Xavier as our

1135
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:19,900
point guard. 
You know, to me if Hood shh 

1136
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:24,000
phenotype, Truly is kind of the,
the high level one and done 

1137
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,300
five, star player that, you 
know, were, you know, if he's in

1138
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:31,900
a sphere of an Eric Gordon type,
not saying he plays like that 

1139
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:35,600
but just at that level then the 
the ceiling of this team 

1140
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:40,000
drastically changes again. 
I'm not ready to say that yet, I

1141
00:59:40,008 --> 00:59:41,900
need to see it. 
I need to see it again, some 

1142
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:45,700
competition, like I'm very, very
eager for that Xavier game now 

1143
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:48,000
because I think it's going to be
a great test this early team, 

1144
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,800
but if he's there, if Malika 
Renew, thy God, I did. 

1145
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,200
You got Italy. 
Gotta is, is close to that to 

1146
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,600
like those that's where this 
team is going to be very 

1147
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,200
interesting. 
I think we have a lot of areas 

1148
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,500
where we know some constants 
like obviously want to see Trace

1149
01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:05,600
shoot more threes, I think 
between race and Trace. 

1150
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,200
I feel very comfortable. 
That I know what, what the 

1151
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,800
Baseline of what I'm going to 
get from them is and little 

1152
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,600
pieces around the edges, I think
so. 

1153
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,200
Anyway, they are the key that I 
think can unlock a real 

1154
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,200
potential to this team and the 
early reports are good. 

1155
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,200
And that's not bad, it's good. 
It also doesn't mean anything 

1156
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:26,900
until we start getting into real
games. 

1157
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:29,900
Now that's true. 
And look, I I'm just it's nice 

1158
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:31,500
to have. 
I will say it. 

1159
01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:36,400
Got me excited for basketball, 
which I haven't really had a lot

1160
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,200
of time to even think about it, 
but it was exciting to just have

1161
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,800
the event, and I wasn't 
initially planning on going. 

1162
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,800
I ended up going my brought my, 
my daughter with me. 

1163
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,300
She had a really good time. 
It was good. 

1164
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:50,200
It was a good good event overall
and I'm looking forward to a few

1165
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,800
For now, when we actually get to
watch them in a competitive 

1166
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,500
game, I'll be at the preseason 
game. 

1167
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:58,400
The last thing I'll say just I 
look at that Xavier game as key 

1168
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,500
because very, similarly to 
totally different circumstances.

1169
01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:05,800
But similarly, to the year that 
we beat Kentucky at home, I 

1170
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,100
looked at that NC State game. 
We played NC State on the road 

1171
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:10,700
and I remember just looking at 
it. 

1172
01:01:10,700 --> 01:01:13,500
Like I if we win NC State were 
undefeated going into that 

1173
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:17,000
Kentucky game, and that that 
just changes the at. 

1174
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,800
It's going to add a little Notch
to the atmosphere. 

1175
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,800
If we run defeated going into 
that game and I feel the same 

1176
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,200
way here about that game against
North Carolina at the end of 

1177
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,200
November that if we can go into 
that game undefeated, not saying

1178
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,300
if we lose the Savior, All Is 
Lost, but it's just, I think 

1179
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:36,400
there's a chance that, that game
against North Carolina could be 

1180
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,000
a really special environment. 
If we're undefeated, if they're 

1181
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,600
ranked number one, not saying we
have to win, but it's just it's 

1182
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,000
I hope we can go into that game 
undefeated cuz I feel like that 

1183
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,800
could be an environment like 
like we saw at Purdue last year 

1184
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,000
or that. 
He gave, you know, 12, 13 years 

1185
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,500
ago, it just it. 
The, the stars are aligning for 

1186
01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:58,600
a really special Assembly Hall 
crowd that night. 

1187
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,600
Lot to look forward to should be
fascinating, will be back later 

1188
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,300
on this week. 
With more podcast coverage we 

1189
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:08,500
should have a football preview 
up a little early this week for 

1190
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:11,300
travel reasons. 
But will also have some IU 

1191
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:15,400
basketball talk coming up we'll 
probably I mean we're in that 

1192
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,600
phase of the Year where the 
computer rankings start to come 

1193
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,300
out, you start to get like Ken 
pon. 

1194
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,000
Um will have his updated 
numbers. 

1195
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,600
Probably by like the third week 
of October I'm guessing there's 

1196
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,100
a few others that we could look 
at. 

1197
01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:31,000
And I can moms can pump should 
do a thing like this where he 

1198
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,800
comes out in a car and as a pyro
it's like I'm releasing the 

1199
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,100
schedule results like win 
probability, you know? 

1200
01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:39,000
I would I would, I would watch 
that. 

1201
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,000
I would watch it, I watch it. 
Yeah, and look, there's some 

1202
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,600
stuff out there already. 
If you go to Haslam metrics.com,

1203
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,800
which I'm a fan of, I think 
they've got Indiana 18th right 

1204
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,800
now. 
In terms of awe, Pensive 

1205
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:55,300
summary. 
And the think Debbie defense, 

1206
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:58,200
they're considered to be one of 
the better teams as well in that

1207
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,700
system. 
So look just a lot of 

1208
01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:04,000
interesting stuff to talk about 
with this basketball team. 

1209
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:12,200
I think there's going to be a 
some fascinating items to 

1210
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,800
consider in terms of who's 
playing and what role they're 

1211
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,600
playing in and all of that. 
And we'll talk more about that 

1212
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:19,500
throughout the course of the 
month. 

1213
01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:23,300
And we'll obviously keep keep up
with OU football as well as 

1214
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:26,200
there's still some season to 
play for 3 and 3 at this point 

1215
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,000
and desperately needing wins in 
these next two games to try to 

1216
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,700
keep their bowl hopes of float. 
It does just to the listeners, 

1217
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:37,200
know I'm going on fall break. 
So I it's going to be very tough

1218
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,400
for me to to get in a post game 
next weekend. 

1219
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,300
So I may not be here and it's 
weird as I looked at it. 

1220
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:47,100
Like I will be back for the post
game for Rutgers and two weeks. 

1221
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:50,300
And as I look at this, it's like
I think the next time I talk to 

1222
01:03:50,300 --> 01:03:54,700
you We will know exactly where 
the season is going like, it's 

1223
01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:56,000
basic. 
I'm not going to talk to you for

1224
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,000
a week, but it's going to be two
games and doing the Rutgers 

1225
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,000
postgame. 
I think that we are going 

1226
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,100
that'll be a fun one or an 
interesting one, that will know 

1227
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:06,600
exactly where our arrow is 
pointed after these next. 

1228
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,800
So, the next time I talk to you 
Galen for football, we will have

1229
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,900
a very clear picture of where 
this is going. 

1230
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:14,300
Stay tuned for more on that, 
thanks to home field. 

1231
01:04:14,300 --> 01:04:16,600
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1232
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,100
Be sure to catch assembly call. 
As they've got a lot of good 

1233
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:22,100
basketball. 
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1234
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:23,100
here. 
They've already had a couple of 

1235
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:24,400
podcasts. 
They talked about Hoosier 

1236
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,400
hysteria a little bit and some 
great articles being posted 

1237
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,600
there and on inside the hole for
Scott. 

1238
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,300
I'm Galen this is Crimson casca.
Thanks for listening folks will 

1239
01:04:33,300 --> 01:04:35,400
catch you on the flip side. 
Bring back the Bison. 

1240
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:36,200
So long everybody.