1 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,920 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:20,880 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cascade 3 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,280 and Clavio Scott Caulfield joining you on a Sunday, August 4 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:31,480 4th. As it is rapidly becoming 5 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,320 football season, we just had the Pro Football Hall of Fame game 6 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,800 this past week and college football around the corner. 7 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:42,040 We've we've got updates on NCAA violation allegations, we've got 8 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,680 people rating strength of schedule. 9 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,080 We got a bunch of stuff going on all over college athletics. 10 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:53,480 So plenty to talk about as well as some basketball news both 11 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,320 past and present. Scott, good to see you again. 12 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,200 How are things? Doing well, yeah, we're getting 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,400 to that point where there's kind of these two points in the 14 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,520 football season. I think we're like a week or two 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,120 away from where people start putting on like Instagram or 16 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,160 Twitter or whatever social media, like, you know, there's 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,200 football every weekend for the next 32 weeks or whatever we're 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,560 getting. I think we're like a week or two 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,240 away from that. And then, you know, in February, 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,240 you get the, you know, we, we, this is the last weekend with 21 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,080 football for the next 4 1/2 months or so. 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,240 But I think we're like a weekend away from a point where we will 23 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,520 have football every weekend from now until the end for, you know, 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,520 early February. Yeah, we're, you know, we're in 25 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,600 it right now and that's a good thing. 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,160 It's one of those things where I, I look around the landscape 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,800 and I'm like, well, you know, on the one hand, yes, it's true. 28 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,440 We're going to have a bunch of football coming up. 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,800 That's, that's how it works. The, the, the other thing 30 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,400 though, I think is important that I always try to keep in 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:53,480 mind with all this stuff is like, it feels like, you know, 32 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,520 social media, people are out of things to talk about. 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,920 So like people feel like that's an easy way to get attention. 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,720 Like, oh, we've got two weeks until football starts again. 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,560 They just like they post it. It's like you have nothing else 36 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:04,760 to say. Yes, we're aware. 37 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,720 Everybody knows when the calendar is like we don't need 38 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,080 updates. You're not special for noticing 39 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,560 like when a a kick off date starts. 40 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,160 Yes, I know that people are excited, but I do think that on 41 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,800 social media sometimes there's a little too much insincere 42 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,240 excitement about when these things get started, largely 43 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,240 because it's like an attention grabbing thing. 44 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,120 And realistically with The funny thing about all of that is it's 45 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,960 different with the NFL and the NFL launches and it's like we're 46 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,240 in it. You've got a great Thursday 47 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,000 night game normally to start things off, you've got a really 48 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,040 intriguing slate of opening weekend games and college 49 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,160 football just doesn't work that way. 50 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,360 You normally get one or two decent games during the first 51 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,680 week, which isn't even. Sometimes it's not even called 52 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,360 the first week. It's called week zero. 53 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,760 And many teams are just playing, you know, the absolute dregs of, 54 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,600 of FBS or they're playing FCS teams. 55 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,160 So it's like, yeah, we've got football back. 56 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,920 But then it's it's like watching a dog, like slowly stretching 57 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:09,880 itself before it can be bothered to get up and walk across the 58 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,520 floor. It's like, you know, this is not 59 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,000 really, We're not launching ourselves fully into anything. 60 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,200 No, agree. Well, there's always one game in 61 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,960 the first like three or four weekends of college football 62 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,560 that's like, it's like Texas and Michigan or something like that 63 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,800 where if that's not a good game, then it's like, well, that week 64 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,440 is over. Why not keep? 65 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,480 Rankings the same for another. Week it's the thing and this is 66 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,040 it's it's. Something that we'll talk about 67 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,000 more, I think as we get deeper into this whole, you know, the, 68 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,640 the settlement if it ends up happening and the, the way that 69 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,480 college sports conduct themselves. 70 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,000 Like there's such an anti, but how do I put this? 71 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,840 There's there's very little attention really paid to like 72 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,160 the product as it's, it's, it's 'cause it's all these individual 73 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,560 products, 'cause there's no core consolidation or partnerships. 74 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,400 Everybody just kind of off by themselves. 75 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,960 So it's like Saturday the 24th of August, we've got our first 76 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,560 football games, but it's Delaware State, Hawaii, SMU, 77 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,800 Nevada, Montana State, New Mexico. 78 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,560 And then the headliner at noon is in Ireland and it's Florida 79 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,120 State, Georgia Tech, a game that I don't know that I'll even be 80 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,640 able to be bothered to watch, you know, and then the next week 81 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,839 or later on that week, you've got games on Thursday and they 82 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,160 all uniformly suck. Like the, the only game I look 83 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,720 at there and I'm and it's on Fox. 84 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,880 So I guess good for us. Maybe the only game I look at 85 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,160 there and I'm like, oh, I want to watch that maybe is North 86 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,400 Carolina, Minnesota. I mean, you've, I try not to 87 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,880 voluntarily watch Minnesota football too many times 88 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,160 throughout the course of the season just for my own health. 89 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,120 And OK, I guess I'll watch that because all of the other options 90 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,560 that day stink. And then even, you know, that 91 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,240 Friday, that Saturday, that Saturday, we've got Indiana, 92 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,000 Florida International, you got a couple of good games, You've got 93 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Clemson, Georgia, you've got Penn State, West Virginia. 94 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,920 I guess you've got Miami, FL That'll be fun. 95 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,440 Of course we won't get to see it because we'll be at the IU game. 96 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,920 It's the same time of day, but. No, to your point, like it's 97 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,040 because there's no one in charge. 98 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,080 It almost feels like we should just you and I are both playing 99 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,200 NCAA Football 25 like we should just let that SIM a season 100 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:18,760 because I in my in my dynasty, some of the games in the first 101 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:19,800 couple weeks are better than this. 102 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,640 It's just, it should just be like the NCAA is like, all 103 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,280 right, we're putting EA Sports in charge of our schedules from 104 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:25,400 now on. Like we'll. 105 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,800 Just we'll run a. SIM and whatever the dynasty 106 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,640 says the schedule is, that's what the schedule is going. 107 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:35,760 To be given how bad the SIM results are in NCAA 25, I don't 108 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,440 know if you've noticed this, but like you know you, you're ending 109 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,800 up with teams that have like four or five losses in the 110 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,120 College Football Playoff and you've got like Alabama losing 111 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,400 to Louisiana Monroe in these Sims it's. 112 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,320 Plain and one of my Sims is like unbelievable. 113 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,600 It's where? Where did this come from, right? 114 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,040 Yeah. So maybe we don't want EA 115 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,080 running, although to some degree EAEA has put out a product as 116 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,920 well conceived as the college football season is, that is not 117 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,000 very so, yeah. I know not talking like the one 118 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,360 game thing I have to say playing it more and more is like they 119 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,000 have a section where you can change the apparel of your 120 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,800 coach, but it's like you have AT shirt or a long sleeve 121 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,520 windbreaker and that's it. It's like, why did you build 122 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,640 this entire menu set up to do cult, you know, coach 123 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,320 appearance. You have two options. 124 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,080 I'm like at least have a pack pack that I can buy. 125 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,440 Like I I get like it takes time to build more, but like why even 126 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,040 somebody had to build the menu for two options, like give me a 127 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,680 visor or something. Anyway, that's it. 128 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,800 No, you're I'm with you 100%. Anyway, before we get too 129 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,560 sidetracked, let's talk about Home Field Apparel, our sponsor 130 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,360 here on the big the Back home network. 131 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,840 The Big Home Network. That's a new one. 132 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,520 Let's see if we can work that into your your reads later on. 133 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,720 Yeah, I feel. 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But yeah, you could have a whole 147 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,040 level where like if you're coaching IU, you could wear the, 148 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,160 you know, Saint Peter's shirt where you're playing Purdue and 149 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,440 like and like have a complete like mesh up of like this is me 150 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,120 talking back as my digital coach when I'm playing Purdue. 151 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,600 No, it, it would be great. So EA call up Connor, get this 152 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,080 done. It's in the game guys. 153 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,760 Come on, let's make it happen. No home field apparel. 154 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,200 Having a great week. 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Indiana's I think is dropping on 183 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,040 the first day on the 9th, or at least they're announcing it. 184 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,000 So it's the fourth right now. You may be listening to this on 185 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,880 the 5th while you're watching US on YouTube or going into work, 186 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,120 so go ahead and get on the mailing list so you can have 187 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,360 early access to this because I got a sneaking suspicion these 188 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,720 aren't going to be around very long. 189 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,040 Agreed. On the and the that stuff is 190 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,120 always good and like the, the, the, the, the, the things that 191 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,600 are limited with home field are awesome, like the bomber 192 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,400 jackets, like they and they they're hard to restock. 193 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,120 So I'm I'm with you. I've already signed up for it. 194 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,040 I'm ready to go. So let's first of all, just make 195 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,440 sure that you go to homefieldapparel.com sign up on 196 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,160 their on their website. You'll you'll be glad that you 197 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,920 did. And we thank them for being a 198 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,880 sponsor of the back home network. 199 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,600 Also, just a reminder, we're on sub stack 200 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,840 crimsoncast.substack.com free subscription so that you can get 201 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,600 all of the podcasts delivered right to your inbox. 202 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,520 Also, AVIP option, if you like to financially support the 203 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,040 podcast, we record some extra stuff and send it your way. 204 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,440 I had one earlier this week. Scott's going to record one 205 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,720 after this podcast, and we'll have more of those as the 206 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,480 seasons start to roll. Let's go ahead and dive into our 207 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,720 topics for today. Scott, we're going to start off 208 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,000 with the news. This is definitely hodgepodge 209 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,240 podcast. That's fine. 210 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,000 Hey, this is what you get. This is the potpourri section of 211 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,040 Crimson cast. Given that, I mean, at this 212 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,120 point we're just waiting to dive into the deep end of the 213 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,000 football season pool. And so let's just we're going to 214 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,440 scrounge up whatever news we can because we wanted to talk to you 215 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,320 folks directly. So let's go to the first topic, 216 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,200 which is Victor Oladipo. Congratulations. 217 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:05,320 Alongside several IU notables from history, you have been 218 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:11,040 named to the IU Hall of. Fame in athletics This is 219 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,640 obviously great news for Victor, who just recently announced his 220 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,080 retirement from professional basketball. 221 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,680 He had kind of a. A star crossed time in the NBA 222 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:26,160 as as many people are aware, but he is part of a group that also 223 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,760 consists of Kayla Bashor who's field hockey former great and 224 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,280 and coach of the team, Kevin Barry from men's swimming, Danny 225 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,200 O'Rourke from men's soccer, Max Skirvin, long time radio 226 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,600 broadcaster and Jody Yin from women's tennis. 227 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,240 That's your group for the 2024 Athletics Hall of Fame class. 228 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,560 That's the 39th class of IU Hall of Farmers on the athletic side. 229 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:56,520 And it was great news, I think for for Victor Oladipo and and 230 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,680 great recognition for him. Scott, it's interesting, you 231 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:03,440 know, because I think as we think back on that time period, 232 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:08,760 which is now over 10 years ago, as sad as that is, you know, I 233 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,320 think everybody had an expectation on that team that 234 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,360 Cody Zeller was going to be the real deal. 235 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:18,240 I don't think people really quite anticipated that Victor 236 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:23,000 Oladipo would supernova into the type of star that he became at 237 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,040 IU, particularly in that last year, but really in the last 238 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,200 couple of years that he was in an Indiana uniform. 239 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,920 Yeah, I mean, I so the the question I posed to you was, you 240 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,040 know, is he, is he the right first choice from that team? 241 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,000 The second question that I want to get to is how many players 242 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,800 from that team do you think will make the IU Hall of Fame? 243 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,440 You and I are both flying a little bit blind because I'm not 244 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,240 sure we know the exact requirements. 245 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,400 Maybe because. I've looked, I've looked all. 246 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,840 Over I can't find criteria. We they have to have gone to IU. 247 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,800 Like there are some things we can't just start putting in for 248 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,840 new players, you know, but Victor Oladipo just announced 249 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,360 his retirement from basketball. No, you're, you're right, You 250 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,880 know, no question Zeller was the bigger recruit and he it did 251 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,080 kind of signal this is a real thing happening. 252 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,680 And when he when Zeller showed up, the the team got 253 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:13,160 demonstrably better. But also Oladipo was taking 254 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,000 massive leaps every year in getting better. 255 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,360 And that sophomore year of his, which was Zeller's freshman 256 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,560 year, you know, he really stepped up in some categories, 257 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:24,200 but it was really his junior year where he became, you know, 258 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,880 nationally ranked in offensive efficiency in his, you know, his 259 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,560 his shooting, you know, it's it's interesting. 260 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:35,720 I think Zeller was the more important recruit and maybe was 261 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,480 more important for the program. Oladipo was was the better 262 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,000 player and has also had a better NBA career and also had some 263 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,600 time with the Pacers, which doesn't hurt. 264 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,960 But you know, if you're just looking at the IU point, you 265 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,360 know, Oladipo played three years and, you know, had had that 266 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,480 moment in the tournament. I think it was Temple. 267 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,200 We were playing in the second round. 268 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,440 Are his junior year with the 1/8 or the 19? 269 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,040 Seed, I would I would hesitate to say definitively that Oladipo 270 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:07,600 was a better player than Zeller, but I think he was certainly as 271 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,800 good. If you look at the numbers from 272 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,920 that year in terms of, you know, Victor Oladipo finished that 273 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:19,120 2013 season 37th in the country and offensive efficiency, he 274 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,120 finished. 20th in the country and two point field goal 275 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,800 percentage, which is nuts for a swing man like you know Cody 276 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,440 Zeller finishes with a 56% shooting percentage. 277 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,120 That mean yes, you would expect that given that he was 611. 278 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,040 Victor Oladipo finished with a 64% two point shooting 279 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,680 percentage on 236 shots, which is insane. 280 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,760 He was seventh in the country in effective field goal percentage. 281 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,440 He was 8th in true shooting percentage. 282 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,400 He was 19th in the country in steel percentage. 283 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,280 He was off the charts that. Year he was Co defensive player 284 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,960 of the year nationally and he and this is the thing I think 285 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,000 people forget. I had forgotten it until this 286 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,320 announcement. He was the consensus All 287 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,000 American first team on that IU squad. 288 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,400 It wasn't Cody Zeller. Cody Zeller was second. 289 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,200 And Cody Zeller kind of, it was the difficulty of having other 290 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,720 good players at his position during the same year. 291 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,840 But it just kind of highlights how important Victor Oladipo was 292 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,840 not just to that team, but also to the previous year's team 293 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,920 where he wasn't quite as efficient, but was absolutely a 294 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,760 a key player in terms of of of that team kind of making a leap 295 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,120 above and beyond what we thought they could do. 296 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,040 And you know, I think to some degree when you think. 297 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,920 About Victor Oladipo, he's probably Tom Crean's greatest 298 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,480 accomplishment in terms of a development process. 299 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,440 And you know, you think about Oladipo coming in value. 300 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,760 Well, of course, I mean, but even actually, I would even 301 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,480 argue if you want to throw Dwyane Wade in there, like 302 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,800 Dwyane Wade was a good player who just had academic issues. 303 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,160 Yes, he blossomed at at Marquette, but I mean, Dwyane 304 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,760 Wade went on, I think we saw him in the NBA like that. 305 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,040 That's a that's an all time like Top 40, top 50 player in the 306 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,040 NBA. Victor Oladipo wasn't, but 307 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,840 Victor Oladipo developed into a player at the college game who 308 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,640 was among the best in the country and came out of relative 309 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,240 obscurity. Like he wasn't as obscure as a 310 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,760 lot of people have made him out to be. 311 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,640 It was not. I mean, he had a lot of offers, 312 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,320 not maybe from top teams, but he had, I think Notre Dame offered 313 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,920 him. There were several other schools 314 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,440 that offered him during that time period. 315 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,120 But I think Creme deserves a lot of credit for developing him in 316 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,240 a way where he really saw what he could become and then became 317 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,720 it while he was at IU. And partly that into being the 318 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,400 second overall draft pick in a draft that also included Cody 319 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,600 Zeller, who was also drafted in the top ten. 320 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,040 I mean, it was, it was really a fascinating blossoming and one 321 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,320 of the more unexpected ones, I think you could say, in Indiana 322 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,880 history perhaps. Yeah, I did at some point. 323 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,280 I'll continue doing the series of like, kind of redrafting some 324 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,240 IU players. But Oladipo's being draft second 325 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,680 by the Magic is a fascinating draft because the Cavs whiffed 326 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,960 on that and they picked Anthony Bennett, who, like doesn't go 327 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,839 down enough as like one of the biggest busts. 328 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:12,040 I feel like when you and I were growing up, there was always 329 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,920 like the, you know, Sam Bowie bust called like Bennett played 330 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,480 like 2 1/2 years in the NBAI mean, he was the number one pick 331 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,880 and like basically never played. Had the Cavs picked Oladipo? 332 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,119 There's a whole alternate reality where Oladipo is playing 333 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,400 on those LeBron Cavs teams that are going up against the 334 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,080 Nuggets. There's also a chance that he's 335 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,880 part of the trade that gets Kevin Love to the Cavs. 336 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,320 Like it's, I mean, again, alternate reality, you don't 337 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,960 know, but there's a world where Oladipo could blossom next to 338 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:44,560 LeBron and Kyrie and be in, you know, have his NBA career look 339 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,280 even more different because suddenly he's at these high 340 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,480 stakes games. Also being I think only the 341 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,240 second number one pick for an Indiana University player behind 342 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,000 Kent Benson. And obviously the Cavs messed 343 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,520 that up because he had a much better career than Anthony 344 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,480 Bennett did. But it's just another weird 345 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:00,960 hypothetical that could have gone there. 346 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,200 But, you know, going into that season, I think, you know, there 347 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,200 was talk of maybe Oladipo could be a first round pick. 348 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,960 I, I mean, I, he blossomed into a lottery pick throughout the 349 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,200 year, but I don't think going into that year, anybody thought 350 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,160 what he had done the last two years made him a lottery pick 351 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,760 going into that season. So that that really is a pretty 352 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,280 remarkable, you know, trend up to the number two pick because 353 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,840 there's not a lot of guys who go in the top three in the NBA 354 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,440 draft that 12 months out, nobody has them in that category. 355 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,200 And Oladipo definitely is in that is in that group. 356 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,800 You asked the question about which other players on that team 357 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,720 would make the IU Hall of Fame. I mean, I think the other clear 358 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:48,600 cut case here is for. Well, yes, there's actually two 359 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:49,800 other clear cut cases. I have. 360 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,040 I have four I think that'll make. 361 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,920 It I think, I think we have the same 4. 362 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,120 I'm guessing you're 4 Oladipo, Zeller, Watford and Yogi 363 00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:59,040 Ferrell. OK, I have 5 then. 364 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,880 I think. There's a world where Jordan 365 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:07,240 Halls gets in just based on the Bloomington connection, the what 366 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,160 he did with that team kind of being a great three. 367 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,200 I I could see not he would be the fifth one. 368 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,800 And dude, making the hall famous and being even in the discussion 369 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,240 is a great a great a great accomplishment. 370 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,640 But I I could see a world where being from Bloomington, I mean 371 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,120 my shooting ability, I could see Halls making. 372 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:25,600 It I'm not sure if being from Bloomington should be part of 373 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,920 the criteria for being in the IU Hall of Fame and not, and again, 374 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,080 not the Jordan Halls. I mean, I love Jordan Halls as a 375 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,760 player. He was clearly very important 376 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,640 player. I do. 377 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,200 I'm just not sure if if depending on what you're looking 378 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:44,000 at in terms of the, the history of of the Hall of Fame for IU, 379 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,040 but there are several basketball players that are in the Hall of 380 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,360 Fame already. You know, it's so it's almost 381 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:53,120 like there's there's an over abundance to some degree of 382 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:55,440 basketball, which you would expect here at IUI. 383 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,080 Mean, if you look at the players from men's basketball, it's a 384 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:06,320 ton of players and and coaches. You know, I and again, that 385 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,720 team, like that 2013 team, is an interesting one to parse in as 386 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,680 much as it's. A group that didn't win a title, 387 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,720 didn't even make it past the Sweet 16, but did win a Big Ten 388 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,760 title. And and is, you know, kind of 389 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,280 restored excitement around IU basketball. 390 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,720 When I look at the names of the players that were on previous 391 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,400 teams, I mean, it would be interesting that like if Jordan 392 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,440 Holes made it and say Greg Graham still not be on the team 393 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,280 because Greg Graham is not on not in the Hall of Fame right 394 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,400 now or that. That you know that the guy that 395 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,400 we both have. I'll just ask this and again, 396 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,840 we're in rarefied air. I love all of these guys. 397 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:48,600 I'm not knocking, but if you is Watford making it on the the 398 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,640 Watford shot like if you take that shot against Kentucky out 399 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,640 who did have a better career? Was it Watford or Holes? 400 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,240 Well, and that's a good question. 401 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,960 I mean, I think, you know, from the standpoint of being a a 402 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,720 contributor on a regular basis, they both certainly have an 403 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,560 argument, you know, to to be in there. 404 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,320 I mean, you look at better offensive rating over his 405 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,680 career. Well, he did. 406 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,040 But you know, I think you can even you can look kind of dive 407 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,560 individually. I mean, Christian Watford became 408 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:24,560 one of the most consistent kind of non guard scorers of that 409 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,280 era. And the one thing I would say 410 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,760 separates Watford from holes is the fact that he hits that shot 411 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,880 against Kentucky. You can't take that away. 412 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,720 I mean, it's just part of the process. 413 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,120 I mean, their, their, their careers track very closely. 414 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:41,480 But I, you know, I'll also note that it, you know, when you, 415 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,840 when you look at the, the last year that both of them are 416 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:50,240 there, Watford is, you know, he's, he's contributing to more 417 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,200 possessions. He's shooting 3 pointers at a 418 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,560 higher rate than Jordan Holes is and, and shot, you know, just 419 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,560 about, I think 60 fewer, but he still shot 124 that year. 420 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,880 It's an interesting debate. I think both of them would be 421 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,760 interesting cases. I just when you think about 422 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,760 impact that individual players have, I look at Watford and I 423 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,640 often think to myself, well, you know, he has a very. 424 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,920 Similar career to Holes in terms of productivity and they cover 425 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,200 the exact same time they were in the same class. 426 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:24,800 But I would say that Watford was probably slightly like he had an 427 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,240 exclamation point on his career and and Holes unfortunately just 428 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,240 didn't. And that doesn't mean that what 429 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,360 Holes did was not important and that it shouldn't be recognized. 430 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:37,280 I just wonder if you're talking about if you had to go either or 431 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,880 with the Hall of Fame for them. It's a tighter argument than 432 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,720 maybe some might think. I didn't realize Great Graham 433 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,720 was not in it. Yeah, that was brought up on the 434 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,160 Discord. People, people were not happy. 435 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:49,520 It's. And it's, again, it's one of 436 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,760 those things where what are you going to recognize? 437 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,960 I mean, a lot of it is it's kind of an interesting conversation 438 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,280 about if you look at the players that are in the Hall of Fame. 439 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,240 And this is, again, it's one of those things where you look at 440 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,240 players that are in the Hall of Fame. 441 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,800 And I bet if we'd stopped somebody on the street and we 442 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,840 said to them, you need to name, you know, half the players that 443 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,240 are in the Hall of Fame for IU basketball, I bet. 444 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,480 They wouldn't be able to do it. I'm talking about IU fans here. 445 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,600 You know, there's certainly there's guys you would expect 446 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,960 Bobby Wilkerson, and there's obviously Isaiah Thomas and John 447 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,360 Laskowski. What? 448 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,840 Obviously not that we're arguing this at all, but to your point 449 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,520 on Watford, it's like Keith Smart is it? 450 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,960 I'm looking at it now. Keith Smart is in and I would 451 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,040 say if you take away his shot against Syracuse, I'm not sure 452 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,400 he really had a career to be in the whole thing. 453 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,240 But but like you hit a game-winning shot to win a title 454 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,000 that's. A huge shot, meanwhile, doesn't 455 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,560 count. Meanwhile, Daryl Thomas, who was 456 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,760 just as important and was here much longer, is not in the Hall 457 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,120 of Fame. So that's again, it has nothing 458 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:53,800 to do with their individual like it. 459 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,120 It doesn't make one player, I think, less good than the other. 460 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,280 And again, it's like you don't have Greg Graham, but you have 461 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,520 Alan Henderson in the Hall of Fame. 462 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,720 You have Brian Evans in the Hall of Fame. 463 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,200 Now Evans, I think there's some special circumstances there 464 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,600 because he was essentially he had to carry the team for an 465 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,200 entire season as a senior, just like Henderson had to carry the 466 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,040 entire team as a junior. And you added into their earlier 467 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,520 career projections. But yeah, it's an interesting 468 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,000 time all the way around. What do you think makes it next? 469 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,680 Because I, I think we would both agree that and I, I had 470 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,320 actually, I kind of put Yogi more in the 2016 team. 471 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,480 I knew he played on that team. Just kind of, I look at his, his 472 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,480 Hall of Fame career is going to be based on that Big 10 title he 473 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,400 won as a senior. I would say both him and Zeller 474 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,120 would be two of the next to go in. 475 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,600 Who do you think? Would it just be Zeller based on 476 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,600 age or like who do you think is the next most? 477 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,600 I, I think, I think there's more time now between Zeller's career 478 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,880 and the present. So I think Zeller from that team 479 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,440 would be the next one. And yeah, it's, it's interesting 480 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:59,040 because I, I just, I'm curious to see again, it'd be not, and 481 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,960 I'm sure there's criteria somewhere. 482 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,520 I just have not been able to find the specific criteria. 483 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,080 And it's not really a serious thing. 484 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,760 It's more of a fun thing to debate rather than something to 485 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,760 get mad about, which some people I've seen have been getting mad 486 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,200 about online. But it was in the, the Hall of 487 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,720 Fame, I guess. It's really not something to get 488 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,200 upset about. But that's the kind of thing to 489 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,040 think about I think is, you know, if you're looking at Yogi 490 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:26,800 versus Cody, Cody was a key part of the two best teams and and 491 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,920 you know that Indiana's had in quite a while. 492 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,120 I think that will be factored in and and I think Yogi will get in 493 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:34,800 eventually. It's just going to be a little 494 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,240 bit after Cody. I think so. 495 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,320 Is there anybody after Yogi that you think has a legitimate case 496 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,640 to be in the Hall of Fame? Oh, I think Trace Jackson Davis 497 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,040 will make it, yeah. That's not yes. 498 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,040 Yeah, you're right. I mean, I I don't see how you 499 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,600 wouldn't have Trace Jackson Davis in such a. 500 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,160 Dumb question, I'm sorry at the minute you said that just. 501 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,080 I mean, one, some might say it's a dumb question. 502 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,440 Some would say, wow, that was a great set up, Scott. 503 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,120 I mean, look at look at you just just grooving something down the 504 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,080 middle of the plate for your podcast partner. 505 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,200 I appreciate that. Thank you. 506 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,160 You're. Welcome. 507 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,000 Anyway, Congrats again to Victor Oedipo and to the rest of the 508 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,200 group. I think that that's. 509 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,600 Yeah. You know, again, it's one of 510 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,680 those things Indiana was one of the first teams in the. 511 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,400 Conference to start an athletics Hall of Fame for itself and it's 512 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,080 cool how much it's grown over time and you know, it's if you 513 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,200 know anything about IU athletics just in general, it's cool to 514 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,480 see some of the names in there and realize that you know, these 515 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,040 are the people that have helped to build the legend that most 516 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,400 people bask in and enjoy as IU fans. 517 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,760 Yep, Yep. So. 518 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,920 Let's let's switch gears. There was another announcement 519 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:46,720 that came out regarding the Hoosier Hysteria date and format 520 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,200 for this upcoming season. So they've announced that 521 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,880 Hoosier Hysteria is going to be taking place on Friday, October 522 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,280 18th as part of homecoming weekend, which is that's cool. 523 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,760 You know, you're going to have that that on Friday and then 524 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,000 you'll have the game, the football game on Saturday. 525 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,080 But unlike the previous several years, Hoosier Hysteria is going 526 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,200 to go back to a scrimmage based format where you're going to 527 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,040 have the women come out. Terry Moran's going to make a, a 528 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,640 public address and then there's going to be two quarters of 529 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,360 scrimmage for the women's team and then they're going to 530 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:23,000 introduce the men's team. Mike Woodson will talk and 531 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,360 they'll play 1/2. Since there aren't quarters in 532 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,600 men's basketball, they'll play 1/2 of an inner squad scrimmage. 533 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,800 Scott, this if you're a 90s child, you, you're like, wow, I 534 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,840 remember this. We we don't, I don't think we're 535 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,720 going to have to show up at midnight with a canned food item 536 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,920 this time around. But this has been something that 537 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,160 I think some of the the older fans have would have preferred 538 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:54,000 because the Hoosier Hysteria setup has been very Instagrammy 539 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,600 over the course of the last several years, I think would be 540 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,800 the best way to put it. And being able to actually sit 541 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,480 there and watch the team play. While there's been a little bit 542 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,760 of that at the end of some of the Hoosier Hysteria's, it's 543 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,960 always felt kind of awkward and like outside of the main realm 544 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,240 of of what it's supposed to be here, this becomes the main 545 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,800 show. And I like that. 546 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,960 I mean, I'm excited that we'll just kind of get them, get to 547 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,200 see them play. Because honestly, like as as 548 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,680 we've learned in the NBA All Star game, from my perspective 549 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,440 at least, the skills competition stuff, the dunk contest and the 550 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,200 three-point contest, that stuff gets pretty old pretty fast. 551 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,120 It looks the same every year. It doesn't really show you 552 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,200 anything. This will be a nice change, I 553 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,200 think and and it'll be something that the fans can focus on other 554 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,080 than those things. Yeah, as you were talking, I was 555 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,280 thinking early in the Crean era, they had a scrimmage on 556 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,200 Homecoming weekend. Also, I remember, I remember 557 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,960 like going over to Assembly Hall after the game because I was 558 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,200 excited to see what is Jeremiah Rivers going to look like and. 559 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,920 Was that the Was that the infamous game? 560 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,880 Was that the So it was the one time we saw Ghee Mark Michelle 561 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,160 in an IU uniform? Yes, yes. 562 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,040 I mean, well, we might still see he might still be drafted. 563 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,640 He still got eligibility. That's true. 564 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,200 That's true. And. 565 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,160 I remember that game, my wife being like watching Danny Moore, 566 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,640 like he's gonna be good. And I'm like, all right, like 567 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,840 simmer down, like he's gonna try really hard. 568 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,680 And so, but I don't think that was, I think that was just a 569 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,640 scrimmage. I think that was in the nadir of 570 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,640 basketball was like, hey, we still have a basketball team. 571 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,400 Come see yes, I mean, I remember in the night days growing up in 572 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,800 Bloomington, we would bring a canned food item and it was 573 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,200 hysteria was fun because they're like they'd come out and they 574 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,920 would just run drills and play scrimmage. 575 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,800 It was like it was so no frills. You know, I I, I look at this 576 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,640 very much like, you know, some music today or kids saying 577 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,600 Skibbity. It's like this is not for me 578 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,480 anymore. So like if if this event, if 579 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,440 this is what is going to bring in more recruits, that's great. 580 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,480 Like like whatever is going to get people hyped up and bring in 581 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,400 more recruits, That's great. Maybe you do scrimmage just a 582 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,000 couple years, then you go back to the skills competition. 583 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,880 Like you. I think it got very repetitive 584 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,920 just watching kids take threes and dunks just like I think I 585 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,520 mean, I went to the All Star event this year in Indianapolis 586 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,480 and it was fun to go see it. I like watching it. 587 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,840 But after, you know, three or four miss dunks, like, all 588 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,040 right, this is this is getting old. 589 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,320 But these events are just, you know, high level recruiting 590 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,320 events. These are, you know, I'm playing 591 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,360 a lot of NCAA Football. It's a lot of my references now 592 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,280 like this is sending the house. This this is just an event to 593 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,720 get recruits. So, you know, I'm fine with it 594 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,520 so long as it continues to get recruits. 595 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,000 And we've seen Mike Woodson is doing really well in the 596 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,520 transfer portal and he's, you know, seems to be doing better 597 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,200 in recruiting. So like this seems to be 598 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,640 working. He seems to have his finger on 599 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,080 the pulse of what what needs to be done for that. 600 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,160 So that that's my only thing is like, will this work for 601 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,920 recruiting? You know, in the end, I don't 602 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,920 think we're going to get much out of this because I remember a 603 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,080 couple years ago when the team played in like the Puerto Rico 604 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,720 or like they, they went in the Caribbean, They played some 605 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,240 games like, Oh, we learned so much. 606 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,960 Then they came out and just none of the things that we saw there 607 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,000 turned into what we what actually happened. 608 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,120 So I don't think you're going to get anything important out of 609 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,640 this. I, I think from an enjoyability 610 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,360 point of view, it'll probably be a little more fun for 611 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,040 basketball. Piers who, who like watching 612 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,640 basketball are just are excited to see basketball again. 613 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,920 You'll see something that that symbolizes more of that. 614 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,320 Maybe it won't be as loud, but there probably will still be 615 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,400 fireworks and you know, intros and all that. 616 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,080 But again, as long as this helps with recruiting, I think it's a 617 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,760 good thing. Yeah, I agree with that. 618 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,560 I think it's ultimately who knows. 619 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,920 I mean, I think to some degree you can still have the pomp and 620 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,680 circumstance of the announcements and the the the 621 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,480 bright lights and everything beforehand, but you just don't 622 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,080 necessarily need. To to dawdle around and do all 623 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,680 the other stuff that's been going on. 624 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,200 You know, you can, you can just focus on kind of going out, 625 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,160 doing a scrimmage. I I think a lot of the things 626 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,880 that we assume recruits are interested in now are less 627 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,200 important than perhaps they were even a few years ago simply 628 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,760 because, you know, you're getting your money, you're, you 629 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,600 know, you're getting your NIL money, you're, you're going to 630 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,240 be in there. Well, OK, I mean, that's that's 631 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,120 like what's more important is what's happening in in the room 632 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,000 outside the stadium where that's being discussed and so. 633 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,720 Our our NIL sucks, but we have a great hysteria night. 634 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,200 It's like that's not getting a lot of people into that that 635 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,640 that college. So all that said, we'll see how 636 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,080 this looks. I mean, you know, the the show's 637 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,440 been fine. It I just. 638 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,640 I just don't think that, you know, you look at some of the 639 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,000 the the hysteria esque programming that you've seen at 640 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,040 other schools, Kentucky or Duke or whatever, and it's just like 641 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,560 it's hard to ever see IU like fully getting invested in that 642 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,240 kind of a presentation. You don't with. 643 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,840 Them coming in in a Harley or something. 644 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,360 We did that already. Did did he do that? 645 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,760 That was something, it was a car they used to, they used cars. 646 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,320 Remember that? That was a couple years ago 647 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,040 where him and Terry Moran came in and like classic automobiles. 648 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,640 But but he I mean, I wasn't even thinking about that. 649 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,280 I was thinking about just the light show stuff and all of the 650 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,960 you know, it just to some degree. 651 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,760 I think they're the appetite for that may be waning nationwide 652 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,560 and it's more about like let's get to the let's get going with 653 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,680 things. So much is going on on social 654 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,280 media to help promote the players and things along those. 655 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,240 Lines that you may not need a whole event for that because 656 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,680 again this current concept of these hysteria like programs 657 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:23,000 really started about 15 years ago in earnest and very much I 658 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,320 think are going to feel like a moment in time as opposed to 659 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,720 being like the way that it should have been done so we'll 660 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,480 see I mean maybe I'll be wrong and maybe it's a situation where 661 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,320 we'll. Sorry, it does feel like it was 662 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,960 a point in time when schools, you know, they had nothing else 663 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,800 to spend money on. They were, you know, spending on 664 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,080 facilities and spending money on these events to kind of show how 665 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,680 into it we are, where now they can spend money on NIL 666 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,080 collectives and actually, you know, funneling that money to 667 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,240 the players. And that that seems to be more 668 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,200 obviously that's more of a draw for a player than we have a 669 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,320 really cool light show. Yeah. 670 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,720 So we'll see what happens with that. 671 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,800 It's hard to believe that's not that far away. 672 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,520 I mean, it's it's two months, 2 1/2 months basically until we 673 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,840 get to basketball Hoosier hysteria. 674 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,639 So wow, it's wild just the the the calendar flies faster than 675 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,400 we think that it does. Couple other quick things. 676 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,880 We're not going to make this an immensely long podcast, but 677 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:25,040 didn't want to touch on some news from the the good old wide 678 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,639 world of college football, as as we mentioned, that's getting 679 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,800 started soon. But I had to chuckle about this 680 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,159 today. At 11:55 in the morning, there 681 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:38,639 was a a note on ESPN that new Michigan head coach for football 682 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,320 Sharon Moore is one of seven members from the 2023 football 683 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,480 program accused of violating NCAA rules in a draft of the 684 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,320 notice of allegations coming from the NCAA to Michigan, which 685 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,679 is this continues to be the most hilarious thing on the planet. 686 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:59,160 I mean, obviously Michigan won the national title in football 687 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,000 last year and that's never being taken away from them. 688 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,800 And and that's fine. I mean, there's every, every 689 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,920 national champion has some degree of violation lurking 690 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,600 under the surface. What's hilarious about the 691 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,080 Michigan stuff is that this is the only school I can ever 692 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,960 remember to have their head coach suspended twice during the 693 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,000 course of the year. They win the title and now their 694 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,320 replacement coach, because that coach, of course, left because 695 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,680 he knew this was coming, Scott. He knew this was coming. 696 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,840 The guy they put in to replace him apparently committed Level 2 697 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:39,240 violations and including the David Conner Stallions are our 698 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,040 favorite character from last year. 699 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,520 The guy who was suspected of having LED a far-flung spying 700 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,160 operation on scouting other teams. 701 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,640 The day that news broke of his situation, Sharon Moore went in 702 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,640 and deleted 52 text messages that he shared with Connor 703 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,480 Stallions and then had to produce them later as part of a 704 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,920 report. It. 705 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,200 This whole thing is hilarious to me, mostly, and not because I'm 706 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,960 going to stand here and say that Michigan needs to vacate their 707 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,320 title. That's never going to happen, 708 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,240 first of all. But. 709 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,080 The level of sanctimony that comes out of Michigan 710 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,080 specifically on everything and especially this like this was 711 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,080 this whole situation was turned into a oh, the NCAA is 712 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,400 persecuting us and oh, we're being treated so unfairly. 713 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,040 And you know, we're we're going to have to just, you know, we're 714 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,600 just going to operate on it in our own best interests and we 715 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,600 should drop out of the NCAA. All this garbage, this stuff 716 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,960 keeps, it's not going away. It keeps popping up and it just. 717 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,560 It highlights why, frankly, and those of you who have been 718 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,560 listening to the podcast for a long time know this, but most 719 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,200 people's least favorite team in the Big 10 is Ohio State. 720 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,360 And I understand why Ohio State fans are generally awful. 721 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,360 Michigan's always been my least favorite team in the conference. 722 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,960 If we beat Ohio State one day, I'll be happy. 723 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,320 If I'm there in the building when we beat Michigan, I will be 724 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,480 thrilled. I will rush the field myself. 725 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,080 I've always felt that way. I know you know exactly what you 726 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,000 get with Ohio State fans and they know exactly who they are. 727 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:14,560 Michigan fans act like they are above everybody else in the 728 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,720 conference. This is like this is Minnesota 729 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:21,880 level cheating guys. This is this is like bottom of 730 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,920 the barrel stuff as far as I'm concerned. 731 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,760 The sanctimony needs to go away. I would like a little bit of 732 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,240 humility out of Michigan people. And yes, I know these are just 733 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,920 allegations, but these are pretty well established things 734 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,960 at this point. Like we, we know what's 735 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,000 occurred. It's just funny to me that this 736 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,120 keeps popping up for Michigan. They cannot get away from it. 737 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,160 And they happen to name a head coach who was smack dab in the 738 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,160 middle of the most recent round of allegations. 739 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,920 I think that's tremendous. No, you're right about Ohio 740 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,160 State because they're like the Maurice Claret thing in like 741 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,160 2004 or whatever. There's like, yeah, whatever. 742 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,160 Like Terrell Pryor. Yeah, I know it's yeah, like the 743 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,360 title still counts. Like whatever. 744 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,720 You know, it also does feel, you know, a little bit like it was a 745 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,720 point in time where, you know, you and I lived through the 80s 746 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,360 and 90s when like, you know, there were real allegations like 747 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,760 SMU ended their football programs a little bit before our 748 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,960 time. But you know, I, I remember USC 749 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,880 like that was a huge deal. Like USC Bush gave back a 750 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,480 Heisman. Like, they, they pulled stuff 751 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,640 back. You know, they, they change all 752 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,440 the record books. It, it does feel like, you know, 753 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,400 these are high level violations. I just think it's like nothing's 754 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,200 going to happen or whatever happens isn't going to matter. 755 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,920 Like the NCAA can barely keep the teams in the conferences 756 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,680 they want to keep. Like they're, they're suing 757 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,760 everybody everywhere. They're losing lawsuits. 758 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,360 It, it does feel like these are all crimes in a city. 759 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,400 It's it's almost like, you know, Roadhouse, we're just like 760 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,040 crimes are being committed all over the place. 761 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,760 And it's like where, where are the cops? 762 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,160 Like, well, the cops are not here. 763 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,160 And, and yes, like these are crimes. 764 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,320 These are level 2 problems. It doesn't feel like anything's 765 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,000 going to happen. And even if it does, it's not 766 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,880 going to have the same gravity that these kinds of things 767 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,280 happened a couple years ago. So while I, I agree with all of 768 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,840 your sentiments, it it does, it does get annoying because it's 769 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,680 like Michigan kind of timed this all right? 770 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,320 Like if you were ever going to start getting level 2 771 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,360 violations, like now was the time versus again IU, we send 772 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,760 like 3 extra text messages and we just have to like just flog 773 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,120 our flog our basketball team for 12 years just to get back to. 774 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,960 Well, you know, this was we, we, we picked the wrong time to do 775 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:21,880 violations. Michigan. 776 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,840 No, no, no, no, no. There was we picked the right 777 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,240 time to do violations. We picked the wrong way to react 778 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,480 to the violations. We keep saying over and over 779 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,880 again, again and again. It's just this what pisses me 780 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,440 off so much about how IU responded in in O8 when all this 781 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,120 was going down. Nothing was achieved by 782 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,800 flagellating yourself in front of the NCAA and begging for 783 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,360 mercy. Like literally nothing. 784 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,200 Nothing was achieved. And, and, and we get example 785 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:53,920 after example after example of other schools, you know, loudly 786 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,840 proclaiming their their, you know, moral superiority and then 787 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,000 doing this and then absolutely not apologizing for it and 788 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,160 saying, well, no, they're actually making all of it up, 789 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,560 which we know is crap. So yeah, it's it's unfortunate, 790 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,800 but it's just kind of the reality. 791 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,600 It's why you know it when, when I get in debates with people 792 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,800 occasionally about NCAA rules. This was before like the. 793 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,000 Current era where? Obviously the rules are kind of 794 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,040 out the window at this point in terms of payment. 795 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,680 Somebody should tell the NCAA that, by the way, like someone 796 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,240 should note to the NCAA, you know what? 797 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,840 Policing even collectives is kind of a waste of your time at 798 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,320 this stage because you're going to lose. 799 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,480 But that's a separate thing. But pre NIL collective, you 800 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,280 know, people will be like, well, at least we do things the right 801 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,720 way. And I was like, we don't even do 802 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,040 things the right way. Like it's not like we never 803 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,080 cheated. It's that we cheated and then we 804 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,480 like threw ourselves on the mercy of the court and that but 805 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,080 didn't even the court didn't even impose anything. 806 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,840 I you did. It was just the whole thing was 807 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,280 like ludicrous on its face. And it, you know, when you look 808 00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,600 at the success that schools have had by blatantly breaking NCAA 809 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,720 rules, knowing that they cannot be effectively punished for 810 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:07,840 breaking those rules, like, what's the point of the rules? 811 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,080 There's no teeth to them. There's no like, like Michigan. 812 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,160 Yes, they might get a slap on the wrist. 813 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,200 They might have to suspend a coach for a few days. 814 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,880 That didn't bother them last time. 815 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,000 And I think with Michigan, it's the worst of all of these 816 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,600 schools. You expect an SEC school to 817 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,280 cheat? You expect Florida State to 818 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,280 cheat? You expect Ohio State to cheat? 819 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,160 You expect, you know, the USC, it's not a shock when they cheat 820 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,680 Michigan to hold themselves up as somehow morally superior, 821 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,760 which they do in every single possible way. 822 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,240 And then to just blatantly engage in this stuff and then 823 00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:47,200 act like they don't have any responsibility it, it takes the 824 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,920 entire conceptualization of college athletics as being 825 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,360 anything other than a professional sports pursuit by a 826 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,800 different name. You know it just it. 827 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,000 It takes it all out of the equation as far as I'm 828 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,880 concerned. What was funny too is like, you 829 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,960 know, when the couple years ago when the Fab 5 documentary came 830 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,480 out. Yeah, and. 831 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,440 By the way, who had the fab? Five. 832 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,400 Sorry, go ahead. Yes. 833 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,440 Like, but then but then there was an undercurrent of like, you 834 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,000 know, it's really it just sucks that there's not a banner up in 835 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,200 the, you know, Chrysler for that that final four run. 836 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,120 It's like, yes, because they she like, that is what vacating 837 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,200 means. Like, yeah, you have to take it 838 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,400 down. You can't just be like, man, 839 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,160 that was a fun team. Like, you know what, we're just 840 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,400 going to put it back up. Like, yes, like Reggie Bush 841 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,880 still doesn't have his Heisman. Like these things. 842 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,600 Like it doesn't mean you didn't go. 843 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,440 But it's like, I love that undercurrent of like, man, it's 844 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,760 just like it's just they they only people play it like that's 845 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,400 just really not fair. They don't get to have a banner, 846 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,920 their final four banner up. It's like, yes, because you 847 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,560 cheated, like that was your punishment. 848 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,080 Yeah, it's it's it's really a joke, but it's it's a joke we're 849 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,640 used to at this point. And it's just it's really a 850 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,000 shame that IU destroyed its basketball program and and 851 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000 almost its entire athletic department. 852 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,560 Over something that nobody else cared about. 853 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,600 Yeah, that's that's the thing that it's just, it's amazing to 854 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,000 me. But that's another podcast for 855 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,720 another day. Anyway, I think, I think that's 856 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,920 probably all. Anything else you'd like to talk 857 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,240 about before we wrap this episode up? 858 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,360 This. Is a This is a real small one, 859 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,920 but like I said multiple times, I'm playing in Sibley 25, but I 860 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,320 have a dynasty, a couple dynasties going in one of my 861 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,720 dynasty. Let me pull up the picture. 862 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,040 How do you have time for multiple dynasties? 863 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,240 I, I do them poor, I do one very well. 864 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:28,280 I, I have another one where I'm like, it's, it's with my 2-2 of 865 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,720 my cousins. One of with just had a child. 866 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:32,960 So like we know that that one's that kind of not going to happen 867 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,680 for a while. But I went with my 868 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,240 brother-in-law and we've been playing pretty regular anyway. 869 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:40,800 In in the first year of the dynasty, Indiana was ranked like 870 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,920 10th. At one point, Rourke was in the 871 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,640 Heisman Trophy finalist. Now this meet, this is a video 872 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,240 game. I'm not like, I'm not taking 873 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:49,720 bath salts and think this is real. 874 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,920 But having played these games for years in the past, there 875 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,920 have been situations where, you know, I'd be playing. 876 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,400 It's like, man, Boise State is good every, you know, in like 877 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,440 2005 game, it's like you'd be like, man, this Boise State team 878 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,560 is like really good in this game. 879 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,080 And then they're good in real life. 880 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,880 I'm not saying these are real corollaries, but sometimes these 881 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,400 video games, when you play them enough and you start seeing 882 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,240 teams pop or you're like, why is Kansas State always really good 883 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:18,280 in this dynasty? Sometimes there's something 884 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,480 there. So there, there's maybe there's 885 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,120 something there. Maybe EA Sports has seen what 886 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,000 Indiana football is going to be doing. 887 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,880 This could all be nothing. We could be O and two going to 888 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,920 the UCLA game, but just and not for nothing, in one of my 889 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,200 dynasties, Indiana's a pretty dominant football team. 890 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:34,880 So there, there you go. I think we should put up a 891 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,160 banner for that. Just, you know. 892 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,320 I mean, give, let's, let's do it. 893 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,080 I will say one thing I did forget about on the football 894 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,400 front. Tom Fornelli from CBS Sports put 895 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,560 out a a a a top to bottom strength of schedule ranking for 896 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,040 the Big 10 like like hardest to easiest. 897 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,680 And I wanted to note that the schedule that he rated as the 898 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,120 easiest in the conference was Indiana great, which? 899 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,680 I think it's tremendous. That's great, you know, and 900 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,040 that's, that's with playing. Michigan and Ohio State, which 901 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,800 Rutgers, for instance, does not have to do. 902 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,240 Rutgers is ranked 17th. But Indiana, and it's fun. 903 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:11,720 It's weird to say this, especially since we've been 904 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,200 criticizing men's basketball for not having a better schedule. 905 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,760 But good job Scott Dolson and Kurt Signetti for scheduling to 906 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,160 where you need to be, which is three-week non conference 907 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,480 opponents. And then you got a pretty nice 908 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,160 draw in terms of, yeah, you got to play Ohio State and Michigan, 909 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,360 but everything else feels pretty winnable or at least 910 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,720 competitive. And that is a good spot to be. 911 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:35,760 And that's exactly where IU football needs to be at this 912 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,800 point. Yeah, no, for anybody who's out 913 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,760 there who's an IU football fan and their friends are going to 914 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,120 give them, you know, guff about this, tell them to who cares? 915 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:44,200 Great. Who cares? 916 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,960 Like we're trying to win games, We're trying to get to a bowl. 917 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,680 Like we've done the hard schedule thing and hasn't done 918 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:49,920 us very well. Like that's fine. 919 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,720 You go. Go right ahead, Michigan. 920 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,640 You guys play a tough schedule like we will. 921 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,800 We will try and get to our six wins and we'll see you later. 922 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,680 No, I think it's great, by the way. 923 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,560 One last postscript on that Michigan story. 924 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,920 NCAA investigators determined that Connor Stallion's was on 925 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,800 the sideline of a Central Michigan Michigan State game 926 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,840 scouting Michigan State, and he was in a disguise on the. 927 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,160 Sidelines, which is even better. Just there's some tremendous 928 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,640 memes floating around Twitter right now on this front that I 929 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,920 would recommend everybody go check out for your own amusement 930 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,760 anyway. If you can find the disguise, 931 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,200 that's not a bad Halloween costume. 932 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,120 Like it's still Halloween costume time like. 933 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,520 I feel like it would be bad, but we did that last year too. 934 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,920 I. Know I I know it's like two 935 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,160 years in a row we're doing. But anyway, all right, we'll go 936 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,040 ahead. Good and wrap up. 937 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,400 Thanks again to all of you for listening. 938 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,960 Scott, good to talk to you again. 939 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,240 We'll be back with more regular programming coming up as we wind 940 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,720 our way closer to football. We'll have Taylor back on and 941 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,680 talk to my you football depth chart stuff coming up soon for 942 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:51,440 Scott. I'm Galen. 943 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,440 This is Crimson cast. Thank you to Home Field Apparel 944 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,240 for being our title sponsor and thanks to the rest of the Back 945 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:57,560 Home Network. We will catch you. 946 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,680 Folks, on the flip side, bring back the bison. 947 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,640 So long, everybody.