1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,560 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:19,440 Field Apparel. Hey, welcome back, folks. 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,600 Crimson Cast here it is the 13th of January 2024. 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,120 Galen Clavio, Scott Caulfield joining you once again as we 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,520 embark on IU talk from all angles. 6 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,160 Are you coming off a victory in men's basketball last night? 7 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:37,760 Big game tonight? If you're listening on Saturday 8 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,600 for IU women, well, we assume the women are playing in the 9 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,040 game. It may just be Caitlin Clark on 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,800 a court by herself based upon how Fox has been promoting it. 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,600 So we'll see if the IU women are actually allowed to get on the 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,480 floor. But and then obviously some 13 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:55,480 football news we'll talk about a little bit as well. 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,320 But first of all, Scott, how you doing? 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,120 I'm doing great, doing fantastic. 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,880 We just had a coach of my son's 10 year old basketball team and 17 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:07,800 it's a great game, man. We just had a we were down 23 to 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,360 20 with five seconds to go. I drew up an inbounds play and 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,080 kid hit a three, went to overtime, which is free throws 20 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,800 and we won them free throws. It was awesome. 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,800 Wait overtime is free throws. It's Is this, it's? 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,640 Is this like the college football overtimes where you 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,240 just go to two point conversions? 24 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:24,760 Yeah, I mean it's a little. Well, all right. 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,800 First off, this is 5th and 6th grade basketball. 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,280 So if you did another 5 minute period, like First off, there's 27 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,560 very good. Likely there's still a tie, like 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,880 there's not a ton of scoring and so they just go straight Like 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,240 whoever's on the court, it's just alternating free throw 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,840 just, you know, 11111. And if that doesn't work, they 31 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,000 do it again. It's not ideal, but it it turns 32 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,440 into a little bit of like, you know, you're a soccer guy. 33 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,120 It's kind of like you can't just keep doing overtimes with nobody 34 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,200 scoring. That's that's fair. 35 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:51,440 Oh, OK. Well, good. 36 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:52,880 Congratulations. We're all. 37 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:54,280 Victory, man. We won. 38 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,560 No, no, no. We're proud of you. 39 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,480 That's great. I this is this is about the best 40 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,680 thing that could possibly have happened to the Crimson Cast 41 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,600 family in a while. So that's this is awesome. 42 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,960 So anyway, Scott is apparently as good of an inbounds play 43 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,280 drawer upper. We're going to just we're just 44 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,280 going to start calling him Scott Woodson from this point forward. 45 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,320 So no, that's that's awesome news man. 46 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,760 Congratulations. 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Refresh. 74 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,200 It feels like that's gonna help, like the local GDP. 75 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,160 Like it's like almost almost unfair. 76 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,480 Do an election year, it's gonna help the local economy and it's 77 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,640 gonna throw all the numbers off. Like it's like, wow, like 78 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,240 Indiana GDP is on 80%. Like what's going on? 79 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,960 Well, we can. We can spot the change in the 80 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,040 CPI and it happens to correspond exactly with when Home Field 81 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,200 Apparel is doing refreshes for Indiana. 82 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,240 It's it's delightful. 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They pick up a nice victory last 94 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,680 night in Assembly Hall. Really one of their best games 95 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,280 of the year, if you look at it from a statistical perspective. 96 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:59,360 It wasn't perfect by any means, but it was pretty good given 97 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,720 what we've seen out of this team so far this season. 98 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:09,600 They beat Minnesota 74 to 62 and offensively looked pretty good, 99 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,400 But I was actually most pleased with the defense that they 100 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,880 played for the most part in this game. 101 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,640 You know, they held Minnesota to 41 1/2 percent effective field 102 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,560 goal percentage. They held them to under 9/10 of 103 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,800 a point per possession. Minnesota never really got on 104 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,920 track in this one. You know, I mean it's Minnesota, 105 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,440 who they're probably not the worst team in the Big 10 this 106 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,880 year, but they're certainly, you know, probably in the bottom 107 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,400 four, I would say, overall, just in terms of like talent on the 108 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,560 floor. But still, this is the kind of 109 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,440 game you have to win and I think win convincingly if you're going 110 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,160 to get the season back on track. And Indiana certainly deserves a 111 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,600 lot of credit for doing that. Yeah I mean it's kind of the you 112 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,040 know we we talk a lot about offense you you end up talking a 113 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,360 lot about defense. But I I would look at the other 114 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,400 side of the coin that I I think that because they came out on 115 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,800 the offensive side and did well, they had a couple threes get up 116 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,000 like what, 11:00 to 2:00 to start the game. 117 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,200 You know, these these things are really intertwined. 118 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,080 And so when this team plays good offense, it then comes back and 119 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,320 plays a little more. It plays better defense and 120 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,640 again, being home, they kind of get revved up. 121 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:18,440 But you know and then after 11-2 they go on a 14 to two run At 122 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,920 one point is what, 25 to 10, they're up 15. 123 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,280 And so I think when the shots are going down, this team plays 124 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:26,680 better defense. They just come back a little 125 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,960 more locked in. And so I do think that both 126 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:29,960 sides of the coin, they're working well. 127 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,200 But no, I I agree. I mean, this was a game where, 128 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,520 you know, you get up by 15 in the first half at home, almost 129 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,480 getting toward 20. And I always joke like there's 130 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,400 moments where like, all right, well, now this is a must win 131 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,040 game. Like there's no must win games. 132 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,400 It's like you get to, I kind of felt that way a little bit in 133 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,040 the Kansas game when you're up that much, they didn't win. 134 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,520 It's not the end of the world. But like, there's these games 135 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,920 where like, you get up by enough and it's like, all right, this 136 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,520 is now going to be devastating if we lose. 137 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:51,920 And it felt that way for this game. 138 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,280 And then, you know, Minnesota, their credit, cut it to within 139 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:56,520 eight, I feel like a couple times, maybe 7. 140 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,280 And you know that was a time where a couple of really bad 141 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:02,720 possessions that could have gotten down to four, three and 142 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,080 then suddenly the crowds grumbling, people are, you know, 143 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,640 getting a little more nervous. Didn't happen like the IU 144 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,240 credit, it didn't happen. They had another, you know, 145 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,640 third was it 15 to two run to start the second-half put 146 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,720 Minnesota away and kind of kept them away most of the game. 147 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,280 Kind of like unfortunately we we were the OP, you know, the the 148 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,920 recipient of that at Nebraska, at Rutgers, where we kind of 149 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,520 just were kept away. But it was nice to be on the 150 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,880 side of it and it's a Minnesota team that Wall, you know, not 151 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,480 one of the best in the Big 10, still boasts a good record. 152 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,720 You know, there can you know their rankings are honestly a 153 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,480 little bit at or a little bit better than Indiana when you 154 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,960 look at the metrics. So All in all, it's a it's a 155 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,720 it's a win that you had to have. It's a good win and I like the 156 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,600 fact that they put it away and kind of for the most part kept 157 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,040 them put away the entire game. Yeah, no. 158 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,920 And look, I think this is where overall, looking at the full 40 159 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,040 minutes, I'll take what we saw out of Indiana in this game. 160 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,240 I I do get concerned about the the run that they let Minnesota 161 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,480 get on in the first half. And again, it's like it just 162 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,120 feels like this has been a repeating issue for this team. 163 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,680 They cannot keep their mental focus, some of its substitution 164 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,880 patterns. Some of it's just I think a 165 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:16,600 collective lack of will to play at a high level for a full 40 166 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,560 minutes and yet they recovered nicely. 167 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,400 I mean they they let Minnesota go on that run that cut the 168 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:24,720 lead. I think it was actually to five. 169 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:30,840 It was 2823 and then it was 4131 at the end of the half for 170 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,600 Indiana. So you know, they clearly made 171 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,679 some changes and started playing hard again. 172 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,360 I just it's baby steps with this team and I mean you could 173 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,200 certainly point to they kind of lost their focus at the end of 174 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,200 the second-half too. I mean, they got outscored by 175 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,280 five or seven in the last 10 minutes of the game. 176 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:52,120 But look, ultimately as a whole, what we've asked from this team 177 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,840 is that they play consistent and that they at the very least 178 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,720 figure out a way to maintain over the course of time. 179 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,560 And I think that this is as good of an example of that. 180 00:09:03,560 --> 00:09:05,680 Certainly was a better outing for them than, say, the Ohio 181 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:08,960 State game where they swooned at the end and almost gave it up. 182 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,480 So, you know, individually speaking, this was a big game 183 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:17,200 for Mackenzie and Baco. He was very good from the field, 184 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,200 4 for eight, from 2/2, for four from three, had four rebounds, 2 185 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:26,120 assists, only one turnover. You know, from an offensive 186 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,560 perspective, this was one of the best things we've seen out of 187 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:31,480 him. It was his highest scoring game 188 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,240 so far in an Indiana uniform, played 34 minutes and never 189 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,000 really felt like you needed to take him out throughout the 190 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,280 course of the game, which to me is huge progress for Imbacco. 191 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,600 And again, I mean, I think you have to caveat it a little bit 192 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,960 by, you know, he's not playing against the team that was really 193 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,880 going to be able to punish him for defensive mistakes or really 194 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,120 defend him hard. But still, you know, in these 195 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,080 building block types of situations, you have to get 196 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,840 these games out of Mackenzie and Baco and the fact he was able to 197 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,040 essentially lead the offensive charge, I think is a really good 198 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,120 sign that he's got that in him. I agree. 199 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,320 I I mean the counter side to to that is, and I was thinking this 200 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,200 throughout the game is like it. Fool's gold is maybe not the 201 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,880 right word, but it's like, just can we start replicating these 202 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,880 'cause you look at like Mackenzie and Baco, we had a 203 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,800 really good game against Kansas, you know, Since then, I'm taking 204 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,840 the three Morehead, Alabama, Kennesaw State Games out of it. 205 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,760 You know, Nebraska, Ohio State, Rutgers, and then this Minnesota 206 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,080 game, like, his offensive rating is 919486 and then tonight was 207 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,920 124. So it's like he'll have a good 208 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,320 game. It'll have a couple of subpar 209 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,320 games and then like, Trey Galloway obviously had a great 210 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,800 game against Kansas. Again, taking the other three 211 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,800 kind of nothings out, he has an offensive rating, 828668, and 212 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,520 comes back last night with a 175. 213 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,880 It's like these these highs and lows, and I'm not mentioning, 214 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,080 you know, Malik Renew and Khalil Ware are kind of just steady 215 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,800 like they have become like you're going to get like an 216 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,760 offensive rating of 120. You're going to get basically 217 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,320 the same out of them every single game. 218 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,360 It kind of becomes these other pieces where you know, we we 219 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,040 honestly don't need the 175 offensive rating at a Trey 220 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,640 Galloway. Like, I'd love it, but it's like 221 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,360 we just need to get above 100, but we just need to be up there 222 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,760 and that's that's the we're all right. 223 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,960 I'm not trying to pour water on it, but it's like everyone had a 224 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,040 great game. The the question is can we 225 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,760 replicate this? If we replicate this on the 226 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,840 road, I think is going to be the question moving forward. 227 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,920 Or are these just going to be these blips where it's like, hey 228 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,800 man, the team had some really good games, but they weren't 229 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,000 able to kind of string enough wins together? 230 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,240 I want to come back to that. So put a pin in that. 231 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:37,280 No, no, no, no, no, no. I think it's a really good 232 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:38,840 point. I just, I there was a couple 233 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,040 other things I wanted to talk about specifically with this 234 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,000 game. I mean, Trey Galloway, you know, 235 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,520 10 points, you might look at that and say, OK, well that was 236 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,440 an average game, but he had 7 assists and four steals and no 237 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,920 turnovers. And that's the kind of game Trey 238 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,320 has to have if Indiana's going to do well. 239 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,520 Three from three, yeah, well, and and you know, if you, if 240 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,520 you've been following Galloway's shot charts, he has had so many 241 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,240 problems shooting threes from the left side and he hit the two 242 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,960 that he hit were from the left side, which I thought was a 243 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,960 really good confidence booster. And I guess that's how I'm 244 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,400 choosing to look at this game, is that for most of the roster 245 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,880 that got in there and played regularly, you know, I feel like 246 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,480 there was at least something positive you could take away, 247 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,480 even if it was just a relatively mild thing. 248 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,240 Like, well, you know, CJ Gunn only had one turnover. 249 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:29,920 You know, he had, he had trouble contributing in some other 250 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,080 areas, but he was, he was fine on defense and he didn't take 251 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,720 anything away offensively. And it let the big dogs eat, so 252 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,480 to speak. And look, if you're going to 253 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:43,360 get, you know, a combined or whatever it is, like 50 254 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,400 combined, 56 points now, 54 points out of Embaco Ware and 255 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,960 renew on a given night, you're going to have a pretty good 256 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,440 chance of winning pretty much every game as long as your 257 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:58,000 defense is sound enough. And obviously I think there's 258 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,480 more that could be done. You didn't get that much 259 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,000 production out of the the point guard spot. 260 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,600 You know, neither Gabe Cubs nor Xavier Johnson really 261 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,080 contributed that much either in scoring or in getting the ball 262 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,200 where it needed to get to. But they did contribute 263 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,640 defensively and I think Trey Galloway being able to step in 264 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,920 as the primary distributor alongside Malik Renew doing the 265 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,800 same in the post, That's how Indiana can play and and 266 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,120 probably will have to play because I just don't know that 267 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,400 you're going to be able to count on a whole lot of consistency 268 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,320 out of that point guard position. 269 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,880 So you know, All in all, I look at it as a a game Indiana had to 270 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,600 win and they did BA game that Indiana really needed to win 271 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,680 comfortably. And they did see a game that 272 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:44,640 Indiana needed to get some of its players confidence back 273 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,800 after the Rutgers game. And again, I think they did for 274 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,480 the most part and ultimately it's another win in the Big 10, 275 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,560 Indiana's now four and two in conference well. 276 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,720 And one more thing about this game before we move on, it's 277 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,520 just, you know, after the Rutgers game, you know, that was 278 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,520 a pretty poor offensive rebounding, you know, showing 279 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:06,760 they did a really good job coming up against Minnesota 280 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,760 having 13 offensive, sorry, 12 offensive rebounds. 281 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,080 They gave up thirteen to Minnesota. 282 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,680 But you know you look at your big guys you have renew you know 283 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,280 doing kind of what he you know 4. 284 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,080 You know 6 total rebounds, 4 defensive. 285 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,480 But I mean my God you look at Khalil Ware's numbers. 286 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,320 He has 14 total rebounds. You know ten of them defensive. 287 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,960 In the Rutgers game he had 17 rebounds 13 defensive, 4 288 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,880 offensive. Like he's just putting these not 289 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,760 as good against Ohio State and Nebraska, but his rebounding 290 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,480 numbers are are there and it does feel like we can get to a 291 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,440 point where we can kind of count on you know where giving us, you 292 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,760 know, 10 to 14 rebounds a game, which is pretty wild. 293 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,440 But he's been so you know that that is where I was critical 294 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,680 earlier. You have to be positive with 295 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,920 just you're at a point where you know people look at last year's 296 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,560 team and it's like, oh, you Trace Jackson gave us who's 297 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,880 going to give you this, which is true and he's giving you a high 298 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,760 level. We're kind of getting to that 299 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,640 point with Wear and Renew where as everyone else in the team is 300 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,760 kind of like what are we getting is this, You know, we can we get 301 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,400 things replicable. These two guys are replicating 302 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,880 basically the same performances every game where they're getting 303 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,440 an offensive rating of like 100 to 120. 304 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,960 You know where's getting you 8 to 12 rebounds a game, putting 305 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,160 up about 10 shots, making about 50% of them, like where is just 306 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,200 a solid line and going to get you that and Renew is pretty 307 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,160 much in the same boat. Like, it's really nice to have 308 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,960 two very steady post presences in the game. 309 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,360 You know, every single game. I yes, absolutely. 310 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,720 And and look ultimately we can talk about individual 311 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,400 contributions. I think what was interesting is 312 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,160 the, you know the bench got shorter in the game yesterday. 313 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,480 I mean, as you had nine people technically play, but really 314 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,600 Caleb Banks barely played in the game and obviously Xavier 315 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,960 Johnson didn't start. I think everybody is familiar 316 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,240 with why that occurred. There's some interesting things 317 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,440 that can come out of this game, but I think so much of it has to 318 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,000 be placed into a larger field of meaning for us to to really get 319 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,560 a lot out of it. I mean there's there's kind of 320 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,440 two different ways you could look at this season so far in 321 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,280 terms of the Big 10 portion of the schedule. 322 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,280 The one I think I am unfortunately, maybe for for 323 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,720 lack of a better term, coalescing around in my head is 324 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,640 that if you look at who this team is beaten, it's been Ohio 325 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,120 State. And then a lot of teams that 326 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,280 probably aren't very good, you know, Michigan and Maryland are 327 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,640 both look like they're in real, real trouble. 328 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,560 And and obviously Minnesota, I mean they've had an OK start to 329 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,600 the season but that was a team I think that was pretty 330 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,040 consistently pick 14th across the board. 331 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,640 And and you can say well hey they've they've won three games 332 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,240 in conference, but their wins so far this season at conference 333 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,280 are Nebraska at home, Michigan on the road and Maryland. 334 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,360 So it's like well everybody's feeding out of the same through 335 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,800 so to speak. But I feel like this Indiana 336 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,800 team, what's what's going to be interesting about them moving 337 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:05,640 forward is that they are playing incrementally better, even 338 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,280 though our eyes may not be indicating that like 339 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,400 statistically speaking defensively they have gotten 340 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,280 better. It's interesting if you look at 341 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,119 the the conference only defensive statistics for this 342 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,240 for the for the Big 10. Right now Indiana has the 343 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,640 highest defensive efficiency rating in conference games so 344 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,200 far. It's under a point per 345 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,319 possession. They're leading the conference 346 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:28,760 in opposing teams effective field goal percentage. 347 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,080 They're leading the conference in opposing Team 3 point 348 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,720 percentage. They they've actually, in Big 10 349 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,000 games all told, played pretty good defense. 350 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,160 Even that Rutgers game, which looked like a complete disaster 351 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:44,840 defensively, wasn't that bad because Rutgers was pretty bad 352 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,320 on on offense. The Indiana offense has been the 353 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,760 opposite, their 12th in the conference in offensive 354 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,600 efficiency. But I say all that because there 355 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,680 have been incremental improvements from what we saw at 356 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,680 the beginning of the year. Where I guess I'm at mentally 357 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,280 right now with this team though, is when I look at the way that 358 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,880 the team has played away from home and I look at the way that 359 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,120 the team plays in Assembly Hall, it feels like a team that is 360 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:11,280 capable of beating anybody in Assembly Hall. 361 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,080 And then it feels like a team that really lacks that, that 362 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,920 verve, that that work rate that is needed to win games on the 363 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,640 road. And that's not to say that they 364 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,120 won't win games on the road, but it feels like the games that 365 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:29,600 they would win on the road are likely to be games against teams 366 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,480 like Michigan, Maryland, Minnesota, where they're playing 367 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,640 a team that is just fundamentally worse than they 368 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,720 are. But you look at the rest of the 369 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,960 games on the schedule. I have a hard time right now 370 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,360 looking at this Indiana and team and saying that they will be 371 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:51,200 able to go into places like Ohio State or Purdue or you know the 372 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,360 some of the other places that they have the rest of the way, 373 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:56,000 Wisconsin, Illinois and pull off victories. 374 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,600 I'd like to see some signs that that will change because you 375 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,240 know, we're going into this Purdue game coming up on Tuesday 376 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,560 and I wouldn't be shocked if Indiana wins that game. 377 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,800 You know the it's a hostile environment. 378 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,280 Purdue has already gone in and lost at Northwestern, who's a 379 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,120 decent team and lost at Nebraska, who's a decent team. 380 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,280 I wouldn't be shocked if the same thing happened where 381 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,520 Purdue, because of the way that they're constituted, comes into 382 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,160 Assembly Hall and Assembly Hall is is jacked up and Indiana uses 383 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,400 that emotion and wins and that's great. 384 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,400 And I look, I'm not going to turn down wins against Purdue at 385 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,440 home or anybody at home. But I think that the problem 386 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,720 this Indiana team has is that they're going to have to win 387 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,000 some games on the road if they want to make the NCAA 388 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,960 Tournament. And what I saw in the Nebraska 389 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,880 game, when I saw the Rutgers game and even what I've seen in 390 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,280 some of the home games where they've scraped by or, you know, 391 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,200 they let Minnesota go on 11 O run. 392 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,600 I just don't know that this team can do that away from home and 393 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,200 have any real success. What are your thoughts on that? 394 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,080 Yeah, I mean, I have the same feelings. 395 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:02,440 But I'm also like, I think the next two weeks we're going to 396 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,800 answer a lot because this team. It does, you know, again, the 397 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,960 Minnesota game looked good. It's a nice win, but it's like 398 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,760 this is only five days after Rutgers. 399 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,160 They basically looked dead on arrival for most of that game 400 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,200 and we were all pretty bummed after that game. 401 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,840 You know, I I I think the next couple games going to be 402 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,000 interesting because while the IU has had some games this year 403 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,480 where they have gotten drilled. You know, whether it be UConn or 404 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,120 Auburn or the the Nebraska game. You know for the most part they 405 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:31,960 haven't had back-to-back games or they've gotten destroyed. 406 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,920 They they you know lose the Yukon they come back and they 407 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,800 beat Louisville. They they had to work for it. 408 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:36,680 They did. They won. 409 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,360 You know they they've been able to come back. 410 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:39,880 They did lose two in a row, Auburn and Kansas. 411 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,640 They played really well in that Kansas game. 412 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,720 You know, I think the next stretch is going to be 413 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,240 interesting because my fear is, you know you're playing home to 414 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,720 Purdue at Wisconsin, at Illinois. 415 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,120 Those three games. You. 416 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,640 You. Yeah, I think they I'm with you. 417 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,200 I think they could beat Purdue. There's also a world where they 418 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,240 just get ground down and beat up pretty bad in all three of those 419 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,440 games. And then I'm very concerned as 420 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,840 like what's the mental state of this team because you can lose 421 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,000 the the one game at Nebraska and get killed and you come back, 422 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,320 you beat Ohio State. It's like all right you know you 423 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,680 you put it all behind you. We're good to go and and this 424 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,800 team kind of seems to go kind of up and down you know just back 425 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,480 and forth. I I worry that if this team 426 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,600 loses 234 in a row in tough margins which is possible given 427 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,440 the schedule, you know are they going to be able to come back 428 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,320 from that without having a win somewhere or is that something 429 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:26,560 that could actually break this team? 430 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,280 Because this team it it when things are going well they seem 431 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,120 to be good. When they're at home they seem 432 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:33,720 to be good. When things are tough or they 433 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,520 their backs is you know really against the wall they're on the 434 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,360 road they don't seem to have the ability to kind of fight through 435 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:41,840 and get there just based on the fact that you know Nebraska and 436 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,280 Rutgers those games they're not doing it they did it against 437 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,440 Michigan. So give them credit for that. 438 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,560 But they've not done it more than they have done it, I should 439 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:51,960 say. So that that's what I'm curious 440 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,640 to see is if they end up losing 2, three in a row, are they able 441 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,920 to bounce back? Because you know, you look at 442 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,960 that stretch, it's like they could come home to Iowa. 443 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,240 If they're not focused and ready, they could lose that Iowa 444 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,320 game. And suddenly now it's like 445 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,920 you're on a three to four-game losing streak. 446 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,680 Now you're playing Penn State. It's like, all right, it's a 447 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,640 game you got to win and like you got to put it all behind. 448 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,680 You've got to refocus, recenter and don't let things kind of 449 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,960 slide down. So that's that's my fear with 450 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,840 this team is. I I'm not sure how they're going 451 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,640 to be able to recenter if they end up losing two or three in a 452 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,160 row versus just one bad one. No, I think it's a reasonable 453 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,240 question or set of questions to ask. 454 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,800 It's interesting looking forward as we project on things if 455 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,480 Indiana is able to beat Purdue, there is a pathway we're. 456 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,040 Just giving them a win, but yeah. 457 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:40,200 Well, I'm, I mean obviously it's it's the statistics say it's 458 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,320 unlikely right now. I think Torvick's got Indiana as 459 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:48,280 a 12 point loser to Purdue. You know the Ken Palms got 460 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,120 Indiana as an 11 point loser to Purdue. 461 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:53,640 But let's say, I mean, we've seen worse Indiana teams beat 462 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,000 Purdue at home. Purdue's still got a flaw. 463 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,400 Like they just they they're not a perfect team for as good as 464 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,560 they are. Like they still are flawed. 465 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,800 So anyway, I'm with you. I'm just joking. 466 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,000 Yes, let's give. Them a win. 467 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,600 So if they win that there, you know, there is an interesting 468 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,600 like set of of results that happens after that. 469 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,920 Like if Indiana wins all their home games the rest of the way 470 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,080 after that, which I think is possible because you you rattle 471 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,840 it off once you get that past that Purdue game, here's the 472 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,520 home games Indiana has Iowa, Penn State, Northwestern, 473 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,160 Nebraska, Wisconsin and Michigan State. 474 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,240 That's that's not a that you could go 6 and O. 475 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:28,760 Mizzo may not be coaching Michigan. 476 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,520 State I know, yeah. And you know, and look, 477 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,240 Wisconsin obviously is a tough nut to crack, but they've beaten 478 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,320 Wisconsin recently at home when you know both when Wisconsin's 479 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,360 been good and not so good. So that definitely in this team 480 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:42,080 is different at home than away territory. 481 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,480 Right. And so, but, and that makes it 482 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,280 interesting because the away games that Indiana has the rest 483 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,160 of the way are Wisconsin, which seems like a bridge too far. 484 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:56,240 Illinois who I got to say we've We've had our laughs at Brad 485 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,760 Underwood's expense every once in a while, but that for them to 486 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,440 lose such a key player in Terrence Shannon and just keep 487 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,480 going and the way they came back and and beat that beat Michigan 488 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,880 State in that game earlier this week was really impressive. 489 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,160 That feels like a game Indiana's likely to lose. 490 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,680 They got to go to Ohio State also feels like a likely loss. 491 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,360 They got to go to Purdue also feels like a likely loss. 492 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:24,040 And then they've got Penn State, Maryland and Minnesota as their 493 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,360 last three Rd. games, all of which feel like they're 494 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,560 winnable, you know, for partially the reason that, well, 495 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,720 they've they've beaten two of those teams already and Penn 496 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,200 State might actually be the worst team in the conference 497 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,400 this year in terms of like their overall play. 498 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,440 So you. Know and using that logic you 499 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,960 know I'm I'm with you like you're we're getting a lot of 500 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,560 things here and there but using that logic after the February 501 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,040 10th game at Purdue you have Indiana winning out. 502 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,920 I'm not saying it's crazy but like there's a world where they 503 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,040 could win out and it's like suddenly then they're on a you 504 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,040 know I think this team things could also work on the reverse 505 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,880 of everything I was saying if this team gets on a 3456 game 506 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,760 win streak in the Big 10. I think they it might all just 507 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,640 click in and be like hey this we are good. 508 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,680 Like we could figure this out and it goes in the other 509 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:08,520 direction. Yeah. 510 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,600 So if you if you use the the the team cast function on Bart 511 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,040 Torvick's website, which I recommend if anybody wants to 512 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,040 kind of look ahead what I just described If Indiana were to 513 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,360 lose the Maryland game on the road. 514 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,520 But when the five of the remaining 6 and and win the 515 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,440 games that we've highlighted, they would be just outside of 516 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,680 the last four in they would be one of the first four teams out 517 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,000 in that scenario given the overall projection. 518 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,840 So that's probably still not enough for Indiana to get in, 519 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,040 but it's probably closer than people think that they can get 520 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,760 to. And we've been saying for a 521 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,440 while, like that particular set of results, Indiana would be 522 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,520 thirteen and seven in the conference heading into the Big 523 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,400 10 tournament. And then you'd have to win some 524 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,160 games by probably at least two games in the Big 10 tournament 525 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,840 to try to get over the over the hump. 526 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,200 You ended you ended the dream there that. 527 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,200 Doesn't happen. Well, that's the thing, although 528 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,880 it's in Minnesota, so no one's going to have an advantage with 529 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,640 that particular tournament. The reason we do all this 530 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,320 though, I think is ultimately, if we're trying to quantify what 531 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,360 this Indiana team can do this year, they're going to have to 532 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:21,240 show us at some point an ability to get their stuff together on 533 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,880 the road. And I think the disappointing 534 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,680 thing to me about the Rutgers game in particular, but also the 535 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,160 Nebraska game from the previous week is just that. 536 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,600 Those were two golden opportunity games, games where 537 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,520 Indiana was not overmatched talent wise. 538 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,360 Certainly I think has more talent than both of those teams 539 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,720 and yet they fell apart mentally in both of those games for 540 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,640 different reasons. And I just at this point, that 541 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,200 is the open question with this team. 542 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,680 Again, I will not be shocked if they go out and beat Purdue on 543 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,040 Tuesday, but I at this point will be shocked if they're able 544 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,680 to pull it together and win more than like one Rd. game the rest 545 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,400 of the way in the conference. Given what we've seen from them 546 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:08,360 so far on the road in January in the conference, that's a lot of 547 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:12,720 that's going to rely I think on, you know, the Xavier Johnson 548 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,680 question, what are they going to get out of Xavier Johnson? 549 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,480 It's, you know, it was that that Ohio State game was such a nice 550 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,240 thing to see him coming off of injury and being able to 551 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,680 contribute and being such a huge statistical part of the game and 552 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,200 and the crowd really fed off the energy And then the Rutgers game 553 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,200 was just the exact opposite. It felt like he sucked the 554 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,520 energy out of the team, you know, in the first half just 555 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,960 with the turnovers and the poor decision making and then 556 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,040 obviously in the second-half with that ludicrous, you know, 557 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,400 punching the guy in the balls play that occurred. 558 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,840 And then he really didn't do a whole lot in this game versus 559 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,520 Minnesota yesterday. And what do you think about this 560 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,400 was a question before? Should he be suspended? 561 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,040 People listen to Assembly call like we were on the live show. 562 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,920 None of us were really happy with what happened and what he 563 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,560 did the Rutgers game. I don't spend too much time on 564 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:11,040 it, but the question was should he be suspended And you know, I 565 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,280 will answer my own question first. 566 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,680 Like I think Woodson kind of did honestly the worst of all 567 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,280 options. Like you didn't suspend him but 568 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,840 you didn't start him but you did play him. 569 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,280 It's like you you kind of pseudo suspended him by not starting 570 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,560 him and then playing him less, but it's like you didn't suspend 571 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,920 him because you still played him so. 572 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,440 It's like I would have. Just been like either stardom be 573 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,280 like hey I don't think it matters I'm like OK that's 574 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,400 that's your call or suspend it but this was kind of like AII 575 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,240 agree he did something wrong but we still need him to play I 576 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,400 don't know I just I I would have taken one side of the coin or 577 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,720 the other I I probably would have gone for like a one game 578 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,840 suspension but you know but but I don't know I'm curious your. 579 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,520 Thoughts. I thought about this a lot and 580 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,920 and look, every coach handles it differently. 581 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,840 I'm guessing that Woodson looked at the situation and said that 582 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,320 was that was a that was a dumb thing to do. 583 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,760 But at the end of the day, it was part of the flow of the 584 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:06,360 basketball game and it if you isolate that item outside of 585 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,280 basketball, it's like, well, how could you possibly let that guy 586 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,160 play, you know, why wouldn't you suspend him? 587 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,000 But I think that is different from in Woodson's mind in a lot 588 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,680 of coaches minds. It's not just a Woodson thing. 589 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,360 I'm guessing if it happens on the basketball floor, it's going 590 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,800 to be considered as in the boundaries of play as opposed to 591 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,520 what happened in Northwestern or in that Northwestern game a 592 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,760 couple of years ago where a bunch of guys got suspended for 593 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,440 what happened off the basketball floor. 594 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,400 So look, I I I think certainly not starting him sends a 595 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,360 message. And the message was we're going 596 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,840 to put a guy out there who hustles at, you know, even if he 597 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,200 isn't going to contribute nearly as much offensively as you 598 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,480 would. Is that enough of a message? 599 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,240 I don't know. I mean, I on the one hand, I 600 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,160 understand the, the IU fan frustration with Xavier Johnson. 601 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,440 I've probably defended him as much as anybody on any of the 602 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,640 podcasts over the course of the last three years, 2 1/2 years 603 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,800 now, even. I'm frustrated by the lack of 604 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,880 consistency. But I also think, as we said 605 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,320 earlier this year with Mackenzie and Bako, as we've said with a 606 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,240 couple of other players, CJ Gunn being one of them, this is the 607 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,880 roster Indiana has. Mike Woodson can't afford to 608 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,640 make these broad gestures, you know, for for show, because is 609 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,520 it really going to help the individual player or the team? 610 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,960 You can make an argument that while suspending him will send a 611 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,760 message, I don't know if it will. 612 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,760 And at the end of it all, you got to lay on the plane if 613 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,360 you're Mike Woodson, 'cause people are understandably not 614 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:42,480 going to be happy with a, with a, A, A season that ends in 615 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,080 something other than a tournament bid. 616 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,680 And we've seen other Big 10 teams and players, you know, not 617 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,360 get suspended for similar actions. 618 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,480 That doesn't make it right. But I think Woodson's mental 619 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,320 calculus is more along the lines of, well, I'm going to send a 620 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,320 message this way and we'll see if it works. 621 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,120 I don't think it really worked. It was not like Xavier Johnson 622 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,160 came off the bench and played stellar in the 17 minutes that 623 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,480 he played yesterday. But I think Woodson's looking at 624 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,320 it and says you know unless this guy just becomes completely 625 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,040 unplayable or is just a a complete net minus, this is a 626 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,080 player you have to have on the floor. 627 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,600 You have to start. You have to get 30 good minutes 628 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,920 out of the game if you're going to beat Purdue, if you're going 629 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,800 to beat some of these other teams down the down the list 630 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,600 here on the schedule and you can say well that's that. 631 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,520 That goes against the principles of IUI. 632 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,400 Don't buy that for a second. I use had lots of players do 633 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,120 things that were not advisable or good or or things that we 634 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,680 would be proud of on the floor before. 635 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:44,120 I feel like a lot of the calls for him to be suspended were a 636 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,280 reaction to the overall atmosphere around him. 637 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,800 And Johnson does. He's the one that's created that 638 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,440 to some degree, but that's kind of where I landed on it. 639 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,880 It's like ultimately it's, you know, Woodson is going, he's 640 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,840 made the bed. He's the one that is in practice 641 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,280 every day. He's the one that's doing the 642 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,280 personality management with these players. 643 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,240 And I just don't know that this is a team. 644 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,400 As much as we've talked about the mental fragility of this 645 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,920 team, I'm not sure this is a team that can survive that kind 646 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,360 of a rift happening or that kind of a situation where a player 647 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,520 just mentally checks out for the rest of the season. 648 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,160 Like, can you coax Xavier Johnson back into being a 649 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,920 regular top line contributor for Indiana? 650 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,360 I think ultimately that's what Mike Woodson decided on when he 651 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,120 made that decision. No, that that laid out makes 652 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,840 total sense. I would also say you know with 653 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,600 I've I've defended Xavier Johnson, I still will. 654 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,160 I still think he he brings a lot to this team and when he's going 655 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,560 right you know he really adds a piece to this team of driving 656 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,800 and he gets the offense going. But I I would say this that, you 657 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,800 know, as a six year senior, you know, at this point guys don't 658 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,960 normally just completely change who they are. 659 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,600 When you look at Xavier Johnson since career, you know, at least 660 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,560 at IU, it's been spotty and it's been up and down. 661 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,960 You even think back like people just think, oh, he got it locked 662 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,600 in for the Big 10 tournament the first year with him and Trace 663 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,760 Jack that got him into the tournament. 664 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,840 It's like, well, his offensive rating in those games was 665 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,320 1/30/86, 1:25 and then 88 and 78 in the tournament. 666 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,040 He had a run at the beginning of his last year. 667 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,600 He had a nice run, but it was against subpar competition, you 668 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,520 know, starting at Xavier's 127, offensive rating, 110, one 669 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,280 35138, 116. But then even before he got 670 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,120 hurt, Rutgers 52, Nebraska 45, like. 671 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,760 And ever since then, his offensive rating has just been 672 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,640 completely fluctuating. Like, I think for those who are 673 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,520 hoping you know, well, if we can just get X to be kind of this, 674 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,400 it's like I don't think that's ever going to be who Xavier is 675 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,920 on this team. You're either going to get a lot 676 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,800 of good or maybe not so good and maybe, you know, take the whole 677 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,840 suspension piece out. You know, maybe yesterday was an 678 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,800 example of how we need to look at Xavier, Johnson, Woodson as 679 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,720 well. You know, bring him in and you 680 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,040 know yesterday take again all that piece out, he's to have a 681 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,240 great game, like 17 minutes, two points, you know, one assist, 2 682 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,720 turnovers, just kind of was a net, nothing, maybe a small 683 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,880 negative. But he only played 17 minutes 684 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,960 and it's like, I think you you got to put him in and be like, 685 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,440 all right, are we getting good Xavier or not good Xavier? 686 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,840 And if it's good, keep men go for. 687 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,080 If it's not good, it's like we got to, we got to go a different 688 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,280 route, which is what they did last game. 689 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,199 And I think more of that is probably the way to manage him 690 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,480 because I think he's shown when he's good, he's really good, but 691 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,360 when he's bad he's not not helpful to the team. 692 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,159 And it's it really just, it really fluctuates and it doesn't 693 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,080 seem like there's going to be any consistency there for the 694 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,400 rest of the season. It's going to be a fascinating 695 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,840 next couple of days as Indiana, they they they have to, they 696 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,320 have to beat Purdue if they want to continue to keep their hopes 697 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,000 alive of playing in the postseason. 698 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,679 As thin as those are, and we'll just see what happens, I guess. 699 00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:44,960 I mean, this is where Mike Woodson earns his money. 700 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,880 As disappointing as this season has been at times, almost every 701 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,480 result has been, if you just looked at the results, not 702 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,880 something that you would have been shocked by if it had 703 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,320 occurred and we told you that that was what was going to 704 00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,560 happen at the beginning of the season. 705 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,720 So as they. I'll ask you this about coming 706 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,560 up for the Purdue game. You know as a as a winning coach 707 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,560 myself you know with a with a great team you know so I I speak 708 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,760 I speak from experience but no as I look at this like I I would 709 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,640 say and again Woodson's there. I know he knows what he's doing, 710 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,120 but it's like I I found it curious that Peyton Sparks 711 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,800 started off the year doing a lot and then we basically he's been 712 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,280 a no show for the last four games, like 3 minutes getting 713 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,920 Rutgers. You would think that Peyton 714 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,040 Sparks would come in kind of big against Purdue as just a guy to 715 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,200 come in push Edie, you know, 'cause some fouls. 716 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,920 But you would also think maybe you want to have him playing a 717 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,480 little bit before that. I'm just curious your thoughts 718 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,320 on like, what's the game plan IU would take against Purdue? 719 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,200 Because while you know Renew, and you know Renew can get into 720 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,960 foul trouble, where is a great post player, but a little more 721 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,280 finesse than Edie or a little less, a little a little less 722 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,640 thighs and muscle than Edie. Arch looks like he was. 723 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,640 And maybe he will play like maybe it's just like, hey, this 724 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,800 is the way he's running it. I I look at that as kind of what 725 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,960 you'd have. I'm just curious, how do you 726 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,360 think you're, you know? If you're Woodson, what do you 727 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,880 do to to to go against Purdue? Well, look, I I don't know that 728 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,280 I think it's an interesting idea in theory to to bring up, but 729 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,920 I'll note that Indiana beat Purdue at home two years ago 730 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,760 with Trace Jackson Davis basically not contributing at 731 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,080 all. They got Pre fouled out like 732 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,240 3000 real quick. They got they got 24 minutes out 733 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:28,240 of Michael Durr, who in the preceding 5 games had played six 734 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,800 minutes, 5 minutes, 5 minutes, 5 minutes and two minutes. 735 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,240 So I understand your point, but I don't think in a game like 736 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:40,880 this you will have to have like pre rolled your players in terms 737 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,920 of their minutes and like to to ramp them up. 738 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,360 As far as what the overall plan is, it's a really interesting 739 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,200 question because I think to some degree you know Indiana's plan 740 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,400 in this game and what they will need to do is largely going to 741 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:01,320 revolve around trying to replicate defensively what they 742 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,080 were able to accomplish last year, particularly in the home 743 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,000 game. I think against Purdue, and if 744 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,280 you go back and remember what that game was like, the reason 745 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,600 Purdue lost that game was not that Indiana did a great job of 746 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,080 keeping Zac Edie from scoring. Zac Edie was 15 of 19 in that 747 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,600 game. He had 33 points, he had 18 748 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,280 rebounds. But but what allowed Indiana to 749 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,600 win that game was Purdue turned the ball over 16 times. 750 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,880 Indiana turned the ball over 8 times. 751 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,320 You know, and it wasn't like Indiana was like, stellar 752 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,560 defensively in that game. Purdue missed free throws and 753 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,280 Purdue turned the ball over. Indiana didn't really miss. 754 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,800 From three, it's like we went nuts from. 755 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,520 Three, right. You know, yeah, Indiana made 756 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,120 four threes. Purdue made six. 757 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,320 Indiana was just hyper efficient offensively and that is what 758 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,800 concerns me about this game. I think Indiana with Mike 759 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:57,000 Woodson, the as as as bad as the defense has looked at times, 760 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:01,160 they are going to obviously have to be really vigilant against 761 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,320 Purdue's outside shooters 'cause we have seen that group when you 762 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,480 know when they get hot, they get real hot. 763 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,520 You know that that game they won against Illinois, Purdue ended 764 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,160 up 9 for 19 from three and it felt like they hit a back 765 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,040 breaking 3 every time Illinois had made a run or gotten it 766 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,360 within striking distance. So you know, you're going to 767 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,280 have to pay attention to Lance Jones. 768 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,200 You're going to have to pay attention to Mason Gillis. 769 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,160 But I think ultimately for Indiana, you would almost rather 770 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,400 take your medicine with Edie, use the extra fouls that you're 771 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,240 going to get out of Peyton Sparks coming off the bench. 772 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,640 I'm just worried a little bit about Indiana's ability to to 773 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,000 score efficiently. It's it's going to require them 774 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,240 doing things offensively that they just haven't been 775 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,600 comfortable doing or haven't been consistently doing. 776 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,200 You know, even the game yesterday, we we talked at the 777 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,080 beginning of this podcast about Indiana looking good against 778 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,720 Minnesota. They only scored one point O 779 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:02,360 four points per possession and that's against Minnesota who's 780 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,080 you know, not nearly as good of a defensive team as Purdue is. 781 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,360 And so look, I think ultimately you're going to have to get 782 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,880 really efficient games out of Malik, Renew, Khalil Ware, 783 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,160 Mackenzie and Bako. You're going to have to force 784 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,240 Purdue into decisions about whether they're going to foul or 785 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:19,520 whether they're going to let Indiana score down low. 786 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,600 And you're just going to have to get timely outside shooting from 787 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,920 whomever, whether it's Trey Galloway, whether it's Xavier 788 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,280 Johnson, whether it's Mackenzie Imbacco. 789 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,360 That's really the formula at this stage. 790 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,840 You know, can you play hard enough and intense enough 791 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,600 defense against Purdue to to turn them over and and make them 792 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,160 less efficient? I do worry about that as well, 793 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,240 given how efficient or how intensity has been a problem 794 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:44,760 thus far for Indiana this season. 795 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,040 Yeah, I just, I I look at like Mackenzie Imbacco, like he's had 796 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,320 a nice little run here. He's played better in the home 797 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,000 games. He's shooting better in the home 798 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,080 games to me. If he's playing well like he did 799 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,280 against Kansas or he did against Minnesota, I I think he could be 800 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,640 the real, pardon the pun, X Factor here just because I'm not 801 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,440 sure, you know who who Purdue has to guard on him. 802 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,520 Because if they put Gillis on him, it's like, all right, well 803 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,600 then who's guarding Renew? And it's like the Ellis is 804 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,360 guarding Renew, Then who's guarding Imbacco? 805 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,760 And like, I think Indiana has some pieces there that makes 806 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,840 them tough for a Purdue team that's pretty small on the wings 807 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,920 to guard. But Mbacco has got to be, it 808 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,560 can't be one of the over 7, three games. 809 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,800 Like he's got to be hitting his shots. 810 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,160 He's got to be aggressive because what he's what that's 811 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,600 going to do is put Purdue in a spot where it's like they really 812 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,400 don't have someone to guard both him and renew and and you know, 813 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,840 you know you're going to get it out of renew. 814 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,080 So I look at Mbacco as really the the key there and you know 815 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,160 if I'm Woodson, it's like I try and get him some early shots, 816 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,160 maybe a couple of early looks maybe not even 3, just an early 817 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,920 runs the basket. You'll see it go down. 818 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,960 Get comfortable, get him in a good spot because I think he 819 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,200 could be a real key in that game. 820 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,680 It'll be an interesting one. It should be a pretty hyped up 821 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,320 assembly hall looking forward to seeing what Indiana's able to do 822 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,520 with all of that. So we'll see what happens. 823 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,840 You know, I mean, again, this is a game if Indiana can win and it 824 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,480 gives them some confidence, it it helps to reset the narrative 825 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,960 on the season and it lays out a pathway where Indiana can make 826 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,920 the NCAA tournament, albeit is probably a very low seed. 827 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,080 If they lose the game, if it's a similar game to Kansas where 828 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,800 they play pretty well and then come up short at the end, you 829 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,480 know, then they've almost run out of chances. 830 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,600 Unless they do something way out of the boundaries of what we 831 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,560 think that they can do, like win at Wisconsin or win at Illinois, 832 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,480 nothing's off the table. But this feels like a golden 833 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,000 opportunity and you just wonder, like will this team be able to 834 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,920 get it together mentally and intensity wise to actually take 835 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,760 advantage of that opportunity? Yep. 836 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,640 So last thing before we go, as I mentioned IU women playing 837 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,880 tonight against Iowa, that's a huge game for a variety of 838 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,560 reasons. Some travel on that team. 839 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,080 What? Yeah, Caitlin Clark actually 840 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:53,320 plays for Iowa playing that game. 841 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,640 I don't know. I think maybe. 842 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,840 But. But your best of luck to the 843 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,200 women is that's going to be, you know, last year people forget it 844 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,640 took a Caitlin Clark three at the buzzer for for Iowa to win 845 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,160 that game. And I actually think Indiana has 846 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,000 a better match up against Iowa this year than they had last 847 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,400 year. As as Zenano. 848 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,680 The the, the post player for Iowa that really couldn't be 849 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,800 counted particularly well. Defensively is not there 850 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,200 anymore, so it's going to be interesting. 851 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,920 I mean, I think Mackenzie Holmes is going to have to have a big 852 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,760 day and Indiana's just going to have to play with a consistent 853 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,200 level of intensity there as well, which the women, while 854 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,800 they played very well this year. There have been some moments in 855 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,160 some of these Big 10 games so far where you'd like to see the 856 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,480 defensive intensity, especially maintain a bit more throughout 857 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,040 the course of the contest. But should be a fascinating 858 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,560 game. Looking forward to seeing what 859 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,080 happens with it. And obviously, I mean at this 860 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,360 point it's it's a great game for women's basketball and it's 861 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,720 great that there's this much attention being paid to it by 862 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,960 Fox, even if they're not really paying attention to the game as 863 00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,880 much as they are a player. But to some degree you you'll 864 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,520 take that. And if Indiana can go in and and 865 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,920 win the game at Iowa City, well, that's a heck of a statement 866 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,240 right there and you get Iowa back here in five weeks at 867 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,360 Assembly Hall. So should be interesting. 868 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,920 Yeah, no, I mean, this is, this is where you can not only say 869 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,440 spoil the party, but like this is where the Indiana can make a 870 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,400 name for themselves. They go, you know, and it is the 871 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,640 Caitlin Clark show, but she's also awesome to watch. 872 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,360 But you know, Indiana wins that. That takes the takes the piece 873 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,200 of it, yeah. All right. 874 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,800 With that, we'll go ahead and wrap things up. 875 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,200 One last thing. Yeah, go ahead. 876 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,640 You had a football. I've I texted this to you. 877 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,680 I know everyone's been thinking this, but it's just it's it's 878 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,600 funny joke, you know 2019, if I would have told you that our 879 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,920 offensive coordinator is going to be in five years, four years, 880 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,800 the five years the head coach of Alabama football, you would have 881 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,840 had me committed like you would have been like, all right, I 882 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,360 mean, I probably would have tried to have you committed 883 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,880 anyway, but yes, go on here. But you would have been like now 884 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,600 I have a reason like now I have audio reason on the podcast like 885 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,880 we are in Bizarro World like complete bizarro world. 886 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,240 It's amazing. I mean the it's a it's a 887 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,360 remarkable climb but I think you know what you see in in in 888 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,280 college football these days, there's such an A focus on 889 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,520 innovation and I'm actually I I I I tip my hat to Alabama on 890 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,200 making this higher. I don't know if it's going to 891 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,760 necessarily work out. You know, I think to some degree 892 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,400 you know you you do. There is a different environment 893 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,160 down there in recruiting. But I think that that's 894 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,480 something that can be overcome. You've got a lot of talent on 895 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,760 that roster to begin with and and Caitlyn Deboer is just such 896 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,240 a genius offensively. He's got such a unique demeanor. 897 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,800 It's somewhat similar to, you know, to some degree to the, you 898 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,160 know, some of the coaches we've seen even saving to some degree, 899 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,400 like he sticks out as different from a lot of the competition 900 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,640 and I think he'll continue to stick out as different from the 901 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,680 competition in the SEC. But if it is wild to think 902 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,720 about, you know you've got the head coach of Alabama is a 903 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,400 former IU offensive coordinator from not that long ago. 904 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,200 The strength and conditioning team came from Indiana. 905 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,320 You know, it's it is fascinating and you go back and look at that 906 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:13,400 particular season, that 2019 season and who who knew that 907 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,120 would be? You know, like it's like the, 908 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,840 you know, the Nexus point for college football for the next 5 909 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,760 to 10 years ended up running through Bloomington at that 910 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,400 time. I think this also says probably 911 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,160 not going to be able to pull Caleb Debord back to. 912 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,640 Indiana Yeah, you know the. Universe where we get him back. 913 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,240 Well, and this one. Of the one of the things I was 914 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,840 going to say on that, like I keep seeing these things pop up 915 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,320 every once in a while. Like we'll see Indiana had him 916 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,480 and and and couldn't hang on to him and it's like are we really 917 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,960 serious about that? Like, this is a guy who he was 918 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,320 here for one year. He has no ties to Indiana. 919 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,680 He did a great job and he got a head coaching offer and he went 920 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,760 and took the head coaching offer and you had a head coach who had 921 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,280 just had one of the most successful seasons in Indiana 922 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,920 football history. In that season you you weren't 923 00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,000 going to like be like, hey Tom, you just went eight and five, 924 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,480 We're going to let you go. So this guy who's never been a 925 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,760 head coach can be promoted to take over that. 926 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,080 I, I, I understand how the optics look to some people who 927 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,400 don't pay attention to these things. 928 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,360 But it's always funny that people think, oh, if we'd 929 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,400 offered Kailyn Deborah more money, he was going to stay as 930 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,600 offensive coordinator. Like, this is a guy, even even 931 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,320 the conversation around him getting hired at Alabama. 932 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:27,080 I mean, Washington reportedly offered him close to $10 million 933 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,320 a year to stay at Washington, and he'll make slightly more at 934 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,000 Alabama. But there was a line in one of 935 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,800 the reports yesterday. I forget who had it, but it was 936 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,080 like, clearly Deboer is making decisions on something other 937 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,120 than money. And look, we want to be a head 938 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,400 coach. You're going to go be a head 939 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,400 coach. You you, you want to climb the 940 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,800 ladder. You're you're going to be 941 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,600 motivated by things other than, hey, here's an extra $100,000 to 942 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,160 remain as offensive coordinator. So I just think. 943 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,240 I'm sorry. I've heard those, those things 944 00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,760 of like, you know, God, we had it like, all right, you are 100% 945 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,520 right, There's no timeline. Given where we were in 2019, one 946 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,360 of our best seasons ever. We're just going to fire our 947 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,240 head coach, promote our offensive coordinator. 948 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,040 But like, even if we did, all right, let's, let's just take 949 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,960 that extra timeline. We do that. 950 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,720 Pennix stays. We have two great years. 951 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,520 Maybe we get to the Football Playoff. 952 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,960 Like, guess what? We're still losing them to 953 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,240 Alabama. We become Washington. 954 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,600 And then we there's no world where he's like, you know what, 955 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,760 I'm so proud of Indiana for giving me this opportunity. 956 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,280 I'm going to tell Bama to go # sand that I'm going to stay 957 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,760 here. Like because I guarantee 958 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,840 Indiana's not going to offer him $10 million a year. 959 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,920 So, like, even if we had done the ludicrous of keeping him at 960 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,840 that time, we're still not keeping him. 961 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,160 So it's like, that doesn't matter. 962 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,240 It's none of it matters. I'm just you. 963 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:40,960 Go ahead, go go ahead, please, I. 964 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,560 Was going to say I've I've often wondered and I I I understand 965 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,240 the answer is probably just you know if you're competitive and a 966 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:51,240 coach you want the the ultimate you know the ultimate challenge. 967 00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,720 But I do often wonder this this thought process that must go 968 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,600 through in someone like the boar's head where it's like you 969 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,040 could you can go to Alabama and like. 970 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,320 But if it doesn't work, you got probably two or three years and 971 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,400 it's like, all right, moving on, like we're going to fire you and 972 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,240 moving on and he'll get another job would be all right. 973 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,000 But what he did at Washington, you know, he could have 974 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,280 leveraged that for, you know, 9 million a year and he could have 975 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,480 stayed at Washington for 20 years. 976 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,440 He could become like a legend. It's just it's interesting as 977 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,360 some guys like, you know, Mark few is just like, I'm just gonna 978 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,240 stay at Gonzaga, like I'm just gonna be here and become become 979 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:23,400 the legend of this town. I would also say too, it's like 980 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,280 there is the piece where it's like for me, it's like I could 981 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,600 live in Seattle. Just kind of like a hip kind of 982 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,000 cool place get some tech going on. 983 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,240 Or I can go to Tuscaloosa where it's like, well, where's 984 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,120 Microsoft here in Tuscaloosa? I can't. 985 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,720 Where's the fish market? Like I will, I will say, I mean 986 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:39,760 Tuscaloosa, I, I like it as a college town. 987 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,320 But your point is well taken And and look again, you know, I I've 988 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,720 always felt like you like in college football to English 989 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,720 soccer in a lot of ways. Like, there are just jobs that 990 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,920 are above the fray. And I think I feel bad on the 991 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,360 one hand for Washington fans, but on the other hand, it's like 992 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,080 this is how this works. I mean I think Washington had to 993 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,720 be looking at this and saying wow, you know, we have this 994 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:06,760 great coach that we hired out of the the Mountain West and we're 995 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,360 we're joining the Big 10. We made it to the national 996 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,880 championship game. We won a PAC 12 title like, 997 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,200 we're in the upper echelon. And then you find out very 998 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,160 quickly that you're not in the upper echelon. 999 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,200 You're actually kind of on the borderline between tiers 2 and 1000 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,760 three still as a program. And that's a that's a tough 1001 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,680 thing to take. But I think this is what you 1002 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,320 have to get ready for if you're in college football. 1003 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,640 It it takes a long time to elevate yourself to a level as a 1004 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,480 program and as A and and the fans obviously don't have a lot 1005 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,680 of say in this but you don't just climb the ladder overnight. 1006 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,320 It's like, you know I'll borrow something from from someone that 1007 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,480 said this earlier to me like This is why if if Kurt Cignetti 1008 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,480 wins like 8 or 9 games at IU, like don't be shocked if he 1009 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,520 leaves for a bigger program. It's. 1010 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,440 I I kind I know this was when we were like I I'll take a 1011 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,680 different approach to this. I kind of slight I I think 1012 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,880 you're right I think there are jobs that are above the fray but 1013 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,280 I do think as looking at and probably IU is not the best 1014 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,520 choice because we are near the bottom of the list. 1015 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,280 But I I do think that we are hitting a world where if you're 1016 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,840 a Big 10 or SCC school, you can only lose your coach to another 1017 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,120 Big 10 or SCC school. Like as the rift grows in 1018 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,280 dollars outside of like maybe Florida State. 1019 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,800 It's like North Carolina is just not going to have the money to 1020 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,560 buy out a coach from a Big 10 or an SCC school. 1021 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,080 If assuming those schools are like willing to put the money 1022 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,120 up, which is always kind of been a high use problem too. 1023 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,920 But like, I do think this is where Washington was kind of 1024 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,640 like they had the hot coach and unfortunately a job open. 1025 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,920 It's like there are probably probably the Tier 1A of like 1026 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,880 Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Auburn, like there's the top 1027 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,040 level of those conferences. But I do think for all the other 1028 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,760 Big 10 SCC schools, you're kind of on a level playing field and 1029 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,800 where it used to be, you know, Indiana could lose a coach to 1030 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,360 like, you know, Arizona or North Carolina. 1031 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,840 Like I do think there's going to be over the next five or six 1032 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,280 years a bigger divide between the the two major conferences 1033 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,880 and everybody else. So I do think it's going to 1034 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,560 become less and less and it's like if you're Mississippi State 1035 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,320 do you want Signetti or it's like. 1036 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,760 So I do think the number of suitors is going to start 1037 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,880 dramatic dramatically dropping. You may be right. 1038 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,200 I mean, I don't. It may not be a complete the 1039 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,960 suitors will drop. A lot of it will be. 1040 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,080 Are you going to maintain the level of financial support? 1041 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:25,760 You got to pay at the level, yes. 1042 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,760 But, but look, I think there's something to be said for it, and 1043 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,000 it just it feeds into this larger separation of college 1044 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,960 sports into. The schools that are serious 1045 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,840 about committing the money and the ones that aren't as serious 1046 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,280 about committing the money. So and watch is in a tough spot 1047 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,240 because they did the right thing. 1048 00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:42,840 They're in the Big 10, they're committing the money. 1049 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,160 And it's like, there's probably only three jobs that Deborah 1050 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,040 would have left for. And unfortunately one of them 1051 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,000 was open and that's it. The other thing that I was 1052 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,880 talking with a friend about, like, who would go to the 1053 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,560 Alabama job when we were discussing it, I brought up 1054 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,680 Deborah. I want credit for it. 1055 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,480 I was. I said I could see that being a 1056 00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:58,880 move. The other one that we talked 1057 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,920 about that I thought was funny was like, maybe you go Ryan Day 1058 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,280 and just like he goes from, but I'm like, what's funny if like 1059 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,760 Ryan Day goes is like he loses one game to Georgia. 1060 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,320 It's like all the baggage of the Michigan losses, just move over 1061 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,880 'cause then you're an Alabama fan, You're like, all right man, 1062 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,840 this guy can't win the big game. Like, he's probably fired either 1063 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,360 way if he loses to Michigan this year or he goes to Alabama and 1064 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,320 then loses to Georgia. But he didn't, he didn't do it. 1065 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,720 He's still at Ohio State, but he's still in the spot where he 1066 00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:23,080 loses to Michigan. He probably gets fired. 1067 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,960 It's clear. I mean, look you, you look at 1068 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,760 the the coaches that got tied directly to it. 1069 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,600 It was Mike Norvell. It was Steve Starkeesian. 1070 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,080 It was Caitlin de Boer. I mean, it was exactly the group 1071 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,240 that Alabama picked out of. I just, I tipped my hat to 1072 00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:39,920 Alabama for not feeling like they had to keep it within the 1073 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,120 Sabin tree. I think one of the big problems 1074 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,520 that a lot of schools fall into is they feel like, well, we've 1075 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,560 had success, so we have to keep it in the family. 1076 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,840 We have to have somebody who, you know, graduated from here or 1077 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,400 coached here for a significant amount of time before. 1078 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,000 And that more often than not leads to real problems in 1079 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,240 college football and college basketball. 1080 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:04,080 Because if you go through the history of the sport, there's 1081 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,000 very few examples of keeping it in house, being a superior 1082 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,240 option to going out and getting a fresh look and a fresh outlook 1083 00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:14,120 on things and a new mind who can come in and do what they need to 1084 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:14,800 do. So. 1085 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,880 So I think this will work out for Alabama. 1086 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,400 It'll be fascinating to watch it occur. 1087 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,600 Yeah. Anyway, all right, We'll go and 1088 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,360 wrap things up for Scott. I'm Galen. 1089 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,240 This is Crimson Cast. We appreciate you joining us, 1090 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:26,880 folks. As always, be sure to stay tuned 1091 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,360 throughout the course of the week for content from the back 1092 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,120 home network. And we'll be following up with a 1093 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,480 podcast probably the day after the Purdue game or thereabouts. 1094 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,600 So thanks again to home field apparel representing sponsor. 1095 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,920 We'll catch you folks. On the flip side, bring back the 1096 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,600 Bison. So long, everybody.