1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,600 You're listening to the back home network, presented by home 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:24,000 field apparel. Hi folks, welcome back to 3 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,100 Crimson cast, Scott here with you excited to have John Elrod 4 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:29,400 on the podcast here in a little bit. 5 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,900 He is a reporter for the hustle belt.com, which is the SB Nation 6 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:38,800 site for the Mac. Fortunately, not a ton of blogs 7 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,800 or podcasts out there about Kent State basketball, just Kent 8 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,700 State basketball. So, getting a guy who follows 9 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:47,800 the entire Mac, but he has some good information about Kent 10 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,100 State to get you ready for the game. 11 00:00:49,700 --> 00:00:52,800 I talked about a little bit in the interview did it last night? 12 00:00:52,900 --> 00:00:55,000 I was trying to do this on the fly, but I went ahead and did it 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,000 this morning and played around with some Excel spreadsheets 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,600 because I could not find this online or at least, I couldn't 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,099 find it where I was searching, but I find it interesting that 16 00:01:04,099 --> 00:01:07,900 we've played Kent State, three times, all these connections 17 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:10,200 with Kent State with Center off, being the coach and the 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,900 connection with him and I you and Samson. 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,800 But the fact that, you know, we played Kent State back-to-back 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,200 years in the tournament and o1 and O2. 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,900 And then now we're playing them again. 22 00:01:21,100 --> 00:01:24,600 Just a lot of times we played Kent State for two teams that, 23 00:01:25,100 --> 00:01:27,000 you know, again being nice to Kent State. 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,600 Like they're not in the tournament all the time and 25 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,800 unfortunately, neither are we. So I was curious, you know how 26 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,200 it ranks in historical records of Indiana opponents in the NCAA 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,800 tournament. So I was able to find a list 28 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,400 through into Excel played with some formulas and here's what I 29 00:01:42,408 --> 00:01:47,800 got. We've played six teams three 30 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,700 times in the The NCAA tournament we've played Duke three times 31 00:01:51,700 --> 00:01:55,900 Kentucky, three times LS, U 3 times, North Carolina, Kent 32 00:01:55,900 --> 00:01:58,800 State, and Oklahoma. So Kent State is in some 33 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,700 rarefied air there with what you would consider to be mostly Blue 34 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:05,300 Bloods. And then, you know, Oklahoma and 35 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:09,400 LSU who've also had some pretty high high peaks in college 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,400 basketball. So we're one more meeting away 37 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,700 from playing, you know, having Kent State being the team, we've 38 00:02:17,700 --> 00:02:20,500 played the most in the end Able to tournaments just, you know 39 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:21,700 that that would have to happen next year. 40 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:24,800 If we go back to back years again, playing them, just if 41 00:02:24,808 --> 00:02:26,600 you're curious the other teams that we've played in the 42 00:02:26,608 --> 00:02:28,300 tournament, there's a bunch of teams we played. 43 00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:33,100 Once other teams, we've played two times, Maryland, you know, 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,600 Big Ten opponent. Now, UCLA soon-to-be, Big Ten 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,000 opponent, Gonzaga, Boston College Richmond, would love to 46 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,500 not play them again. Kansas Syracuse, good results 47 00:02:45,500 --> 00:02:50,100 against them. Well, once in one, good one bad, 48 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:53,900 but I'll take the Gap. I spaced on the sweet 16 is, as 49 00:02:53,900 --> 00:02:56,200 I was saying that, but I'll take a giving. 50 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,600 You wouldn't, you want a title against anybody? 51 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,400 It's a good result, Florida, State, Temple, and UAB. 52 00:03:02,900 --> 00:03:07,000 Those are all the teams we face twice and then a bunch of teams 53 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,900 that we have faced one time in the NCAA tournament. 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,600 As you look at the rest of the bracket, just, if you're curious 55 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,700 about these sorts of things, we have never played Miami. 56 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:24,100 Although of Ohio, we've never played Miami Florida in the NCAA 57 00:03:24,100 --> 00:03:28,600 tournament before we have never played. 58 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:34,400 We've never played Drake before. So in the next round, we playing 59 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,900 an opponent for the first time, we've never played Houston 60 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:40,100 before. We have never played Iowa in the 61 00:03:40,100 --> 00:03:44,000 tournament and we have played Auburn one time in the 62 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 tournament. If you look a little deeper in 63 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,200 the bracket, if we're making a farther run, and again, if we're 64 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,400 in the elite eight, I don't think anyone is going to be like 65 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,600 caring about matchup numbers against teams but just for fun, 66 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:57,100 we've never played Texas in the NCAA tournament. 67 00:03:57,100 --> 00:04:01,300 We've played Xavier once If we make it all the way to the Sweet 68 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:05,800 16, you know, like I said, We we played against, I get twice, 69 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,800 that could be a third time opponent and then like I said, 70 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,600 we've played Kansas two times. So anyway, for what it's worth, 71 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,800 I find it interesting that you know, Kent State is one of the 72 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,600 teams we've played three times in the tournament. 73 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:22,900 It's a small list and it's to me, I think it's interesting 74 00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:26,100 that Kent State is on it because there's not a lot of overlap in 75 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:29,700 that Venn diagram of the two schools and yet There does seem 76 00:04:29,700 --> 00:04:32,300 to be a lot of it. So fun, matchup fun discussion 77 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:35,000 with John Elrod. And before we get going, just 78 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,500 want to say a quick word to our sponsor home-field apparel 79 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,100 there. 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Learn a little about Kent State 109 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:11,500 and hope you guys enjoy. John from the hustle belt, how 110 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:13,700 you doing, man? Doing Great Scot. 111 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:15,400 It's good to be on. Yeah, man. 112 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,200 So you are a contributor for hustle belt, the sports SB 113 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,800 Nation site for Kent State. Hustle belt.com and your 114 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,300 Twitter, just everyone has it at John Elrod underscore 19. 115 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,700 So, yeah, give us your connection to Kent State. 116 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:33,500 So hustle Bell. Actually covers the Mac in 117 00:06:33,500 --> 00:06:37,000 general, I know that a lot of bigger schools, have individual 118 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,700 SB Nation blogs for them. But you know, for a smaller 119 00:06:40,700 --> 00:06:45,200 conference we just have one that encompasses all teams so yeah, 120 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,200 it's been super fun. I actually don't even go to a 121 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,900 Mac school. I go to a small college called 122 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:54,500 Oberlin College but it's in Northern Ohio and it's close to 123 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:57,600 a lot of these schools you know six of the teams in the macro in 124 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,600 Ohio. So I have connections to those. 125 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:04,700 I grew up watching some of these teams Akron is actually, 126 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:07,800 probably the team. I've watched the most Rivals of 127 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,000 Kent State. Yeah. 128 00:07:09,100 --> 00:07:12,200 But A fan of the conference. It's, you know, you always got 129 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,900 a, got a root on whoever the representative is in the big 130 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:17,800 dance. So it's funny. 131 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,200 I actually have a friend who's older sister went to Oberlin? 132 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,100 So I know. I know. 133 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:24,400 Oberlin well, great absolutely phenomenal Music School up 134 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,500 there, so yeah really is. So let us know, you know. 135 00:07:28,500 --> 00:07:31,700 So obviously Indiana podcast here, focus on the Indian bass, 136 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:34,100 what I was trying to figure out before you hopped on, there's no 137 00:07:34,100 --> 00:07:39,000 real good site listing all of the teams Indiana has played in 138 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,100 the NCAA. Willie tournament. 139 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:43,500 We've played Kansas, I think three or sorry, Kentucky three 140 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:48,000 or four times. I had a list here of all that 141 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,500 but it's like it also has the ranks and so I'm trying to do 142 00:07:50,500 --> 00:07:54,600 this on the fly but I was just thinking like it is odd for two 143 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,600 schools that you know, historically can State hasn't 144 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,400 had a ton of tournament, you know, experience. 145 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,400 And honestly the last 20 years Indiana hasn't either it's wild 146 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,000 that we've met you know, three times. 147 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,700 And then we had that that two-year back-to-back run and o1 148 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:11,200 and O2 To where we met two years in a row, but just kind of a 149 00:08:11,207 --> 00:08:13,900 wild connection that we seem to continually bump up to Kent 150 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:16,600 State, especially when we're a foreseen, we get to get you guys 151 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,300 in the first round. Yeah, it is pretty interesting 152 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:23,100 how it works out like that. I mean, especially because the 153 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:25,800 last two appearances were in back-to-back years and one of 154 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,900 them was in the Elite 8. So yeah. 155 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:31,500 Do you feel like we took away a final four? 156 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:33,100 But I mean we did. But do you guys Diaz? 157 00:08:33,100 --> 00:08:34,600 Look at that as like we kind of took away. 158 00:08:34,900 --> 00:08:36,900 You know, a great run for you guys to get to the final four. 159 00:08:37,299 --> 00:08:40,400 Yeah, I mean I think you have to, you know, The program like 160 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,600 Indiana has some final fours in its history. 161 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,400 So, you know, to take away from a school at Kent State, you 162 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,000 know. I think that's going to hurt but 163 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:50,900 you know, I think maybe the golden flashes can finally get 164 00:08:50,900 --> 00:08:53,800 their this hearing. So tell us a little bit about 165 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,600 this team you know, we're, you know, we did a little bit of a 166 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,700 preview, right one, the brackets came out, you've been watching 167 00:08:58,700 --> 00:09:00,800 the Mac, you know, seen, you know, Kent State play Within the 168 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,400 Mac. They obviously won the the Mac 169 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,300 tournament. They had a really good season 170 00:09:05,300 --> 00:09:08,700 finishing 15 and 3 but tell us a little bit about, you know, what 171 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:11,000 we can expect. To see from the golden flashes 172 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:16,800 for late late Friday night. Yeah, so the so the golden 173 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,300 flashes they were preseason favorites in the Mac. 174 00:09:19,700 --> 00:09:22,800 A lot of people pick them to win the conference regular season 175 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,700 and go on to win the tournament and through the first month or 176 00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:27,500 two of the season. They did pretty well in 177 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:31,800 non-conference play. They had a close loss to Houston 178 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:35,300 where they played a, really solid defensive game and then 179 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:39,900 they had a I think that yeah, they had a lead with I think 180 00:09:39,900 --> 00:09:42,600 three minutes to go or something against Gonzaga like a week 181 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,300 after that, Houston game, but can pull it out. 182 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:49,900 But those are you know to really solid tournament teams that they 183 00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:53,900 put in good efforts against and then early in the Mac season, 184 00:09:53,900 --> 00:09:58,300 Kent State was at the top of the rankings and I think they had a 185 00:09:58,308 --> 00:10:03,600 few AP Top 25 votes but then they lost some big games. 186 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:07,300 One of the losses was to Ball State, they lost in Northern 187 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,300 Illinois as well. It wasn't great. 188 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,000 Eight. Yeah, during this whole time, 189 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,500 Toledo actually went on, you know. 190 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:16,500 Huge win streak took first place in the back, so it became the 191 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:20,000 new favorites of the conference until Mac tournament. 192 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,500 When Kent State really got back into, you know, they're their 193 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:27,200 best basketball, they can play. And so, I think it's fair to say 194 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,400 that they're the best team in the conference and deserving of 195 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,800 having the nod to play in the big dance. 196 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,000 Yeah, I mean, look at their scores and the in the 197 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,400 tournament, you know, they, they won all the games, pretty 198 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,600 handily, you know, beating Prince 79-73. 199 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,500 And then, you know, basically just kind of beating up until 200 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:47,100 either 93 278. I'm curious about those two 201 00:10:47,100 --> 00:10:50,400 games in the is three and a half months ago, but the game against 202 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:51,900 Gonzaga the game against Houston. 203 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:55,000 I didn't watch them, but the scores are kind of bizarre. 204 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,700 Like Houston has one of the best offenses in the country or just 205 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:01,800 as a lot of length has a lot of switchable parts. 206 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,600 So a game that ends 4944 is just as a wild score. 207 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,900 In the same thing with Gonzaga. You know, I was kind of Of, you 208 00:11:09,900 --> 00:11:12,600 know, trying to find, it's not the best comparison, but when 209 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,400 you look at that game against Gonzaga, you know, the zags one. 210 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,800 But us again, it was a close game in Kent, State made a run 211 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,000 at the end, but, you know, the best comp to trace Jackson. 212 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,200 Davis on your schedule is probably Drew Timmy, and he had 213 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,400 a really statistically, had a really good game shooting 11:15, 214 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,400 29 Points, got 17 rebounds, you know, can you speak to either of 215 00:11:32,408 --> 00:11:34,200 those two games? Because I think those are the 216 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,200 two that kind of gave me pause and I, you found a one hand, 217 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,000 it's like, all right, if you're Timmy, could do that. 218 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,200 Maybe Trace Jackson Davis could Do it as well but you know, to 219 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,900 only lose in single digits to both of those teams. 220 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,600 And those are two of the top teams in the tournament that is 221 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,700 a little bit scary. And in both of those games, you 222 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:53,500 know, Kent State got down, and then made a run at the end. 223 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:56,100 So they never seem to give up and either of those games. 224 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,000 Yeah, you're exactly right, and I think the point about Drew 225 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,200 Timmy is pretty solid something. I didn't actually watch these 226 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,000 two games live but went back and looked at, you know, parts of, 227 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:12,800 you know, each game on YouTube and against Houston. 228 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,200 They did a great job of forcing Marcus Sasser into some tough 229 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,400 shots. He was terrible. 230 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,300 That game shot like 1 for 10. From three. 231 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,000 He was able to score a little bit at the line be against 232 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,500 Gonzaga. Their defense has a lot more 233 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:32,000 trouble with big men. Their best players are guards, 234 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:34,300 both of their guards were starting. 235 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:36,900 Guards were First Team, all Mac defensive team. 236 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,800 So yeah, against Drew Timmy was a lot tougher. 237 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,700 Their interior defense isn't as good and we saw a little bit 238 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:48,800 against Akron in the semi-finals. 239 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:54,500 They did a great job of slowing down akron's star point guard 240 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:58,800 who leads the conference and But they had a harder time. 241 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,100 Slowing down this guy, Enrique Freeman. 242 00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:02,800 Who's a great forward in the conference? 243 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,200 So tell us a little bit but what kind of offense just can't 244 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,500 state-run? Because looking at their 245 00:13:08,500 --> 00:13:10,900 lineups, you it's a lot of seniors like you said, a lot of 246 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:16,600 guards, you know, 636 165. But you know and again I'm just 247 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,100 I'm kind of looking at Stats. I'm hoping you can kind of, you 248 00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:21,900 know, around the edges for me. A lot of the guys, like we look 249 00:13:21,900 --> 00:13:24,500 at Carrie and Jacobs, like they're only shooting 30 and 28 250 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:29,300 percent from 3 respectively, You know, Thomas 68 is shooting, you 251 00:13:29,300 --> 00:13:31,900 know, my reading Thomas is shooting 34%. 252 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:33,900 Sure, I screwed up. His first name, I pronounce 253 00:13:33,900 --> 00:13:36,700 things incorrectly, on this podcast all the time so you can 254 00:13:36,700 --> 00:13:39,900 definitely correct me. But you are they, you know, 255 00:13:39,900 --> 00:13:41,900 bringing their big guys out to shoot threes in the guards 256 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:43,900 primarily therefore, you know, defensive stopper. 257 00:13:43,900 --> 00:13:46,000 So what kind of offense we looking at from the golden 258 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,600 flashes? Yes, in both guards really are 259 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,500 involved on offense. Both of them are great Defenders 260 00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:54,000 as well, but yeah, I would say they're pretty unorthodox and 261 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,300 today's college game, a lot of them. 262 00:13:57,500 --> 00:14:01,000 Offensive opportunities or mid range shots and, you know, both 263 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,800 of their guards can score in the paint to, depending on, you 264 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,800 know, what kind of big men that other team has. 265 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:10,400 But we saw that in the, in the Mac tournament, all weekend, 266 00:14:11,300 --> 00:14:14,500 they really like to attack the paint, sometimes kick it out. 267 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:19,300 But they're good at, you know, jump stop shots, sincere, carry, 268 00:14:19,300 --> 00:14:22,800 specifically can State's leading scorer, he's really great at 269 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,300 finding a spot, you know, within the, the mid-range area. 270 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,700 You picking up his dribble pulling up when the defense 271 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:32,700 isn't necessarily expecting it. So that's how they sort of 272 00:14:32,708 --> 00:14:35,300 account for the lack of really efficient. 273 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:38,600 Three-point shooting. Okay. 274 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,500 What a and you know the metrics on this team you know definitely 275 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:46,000 one of the better defensive teams in the country having 276 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,000 ranked 38th on Ken Palm really good defensively and fairly good 277 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,900 offensively as well. They don't you know don't shoot 278 00:14:53,900 --> 00:14:59,100 free throws very well. It looks like but you know what 279 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,100 let's let's try it this way first. 280 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:03,700 What kind of go positive negative positive from an IU 281 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:06,900 perspective? You know, when they've had their 282 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:10,400 wind streaks, you know. Went gosh, you know, almost 10 283 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:15,400 and 0 from a spot from December to January, you know, and then 284 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,600 finish the season, really, you know, from their 11 and 3, the 285 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,900 rest of the way they've had some pretty long win streaks and 286 00:15:20,900 --> 00:15:23,000 finishing the year on a six-game winning streak. 287 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,800 What do you see in a game when things are going right for Ken 288 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,000 state, where they're able to kind of have these winds and 289 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,500 have these like and I'll brief maybe rephrase the question. 290 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:36,300 Like what? What's a bad sign for Indiana? 291 00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:39,500 If you know you You see Kent State doing this? 292 00:15:39,500 --> 00:15:42,700 And that like if you saw this, you know, this thing in the 293 00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:45,300 first half, you like, man, this is not a good sign for Indiana. 294 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:49,500 It's a good time for Kent State. Yeah, so I think defensively, 295 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:52,100 you know, like you said their defense first team. 296 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:56,300 So yeah, if they're able to limit, I'm still trying to 297 00:15:56,308 --> 00:15:58,400 figure out how they're going to limit raised Jackson Davis. 298 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,800 But if they're able to limit the other four guys, on the floor, 299 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:05,500 especially Jalen Hood should be no, you know who probably be 300 00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:09,100 paired up with Malik Jacobs? He's the best defender on the 301 00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:13,300 court for Kent State, but he's a 6-3 guard, so that's probably 302 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:14,900 his matchup. Yeah. 303 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,700 So if they're able to keep those guys, From getting hot. 304 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:22,300 I think that would be big and closing down on kick-outs that 305 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:26,200 come from Jackson Davis be I think it will definitely be 306 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,900 about defensive disruption with Indiana's shooting. 307 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,300 Yeah, I think Kent State. Yeah. 308 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:37,100 Kent State led the mac and opponent three-point percentage 309 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:39,800 so they do a very good job at defending the perimeter. 310 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,800 Okay, you know, it's also funny. You know, I'm sure, you know, 311 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,500 this to like the connection seen this. 312 00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:50,500 These two teams are just wild that, you know, send her off. 313 00:16:50,500 --> 00:16:52,700 Was one of, you know, the coach at Kent State was also an 314 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:56,300 assistant at Indiana from 06 to 0-8 and was kind of the first 315 00:16:56,300 --> 00:16:58,800 head to fall before we fired Calvin Samson. 316 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,200 So, just just a bunch of wild connections shooting these teens 317 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,900 and like I said the last time we played you know as a four-seat 318 00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:06,599 we lost you guys actually went to that game. 319 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:09,800 My dad and I flew to San Diego, Super fired up and then you guys 320 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:15,200 just just crush the dreams. Well, that's got to be still a 321 00:17:15,208 --> 00:17:18,599 good experience to go to a game like that, but up outcome. 322 00:17:19,500 --> 00:17:25,500 Yeah, so I'll flip the question around, you know, in the games, 323 00:17:26,099 --> 00:17:28,900 you know, Houston Gonzaga, I think are different a teams in 324 00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:30,800 Indiana, and probably maybe a little higher count. 325 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,300 It's again, not a great cop. But, you know, when Kent State 326 00:17:34,300 --> 00:17:38,900 was losing these games, you know, is it a road away thing? 327 00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:41,500 Because all their losses were on the road. 328 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:44,600 They didn't lose any games at home this year. are you 329 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,600 concerned about Ken, State's ability to play, you know, tough 330 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,700 teams on the road tough teams away from home and like, you 331 00:17:50,708 --> 00:17:53,000 know, the games against you Ball, State Akron, Northern 332 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,100 Illinois, in the Mac, you know, what are the things that were 333 00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:59,500 happening in those games that really caused Kent State to have 334 00:17:59,500 --> 00:18:02,300 some problems because some of their losses, you know, are not 335 00:18:02,300 --> 00:18:05,400 awful but like, you know, Akron, one of the better teams in the 336 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,000 Mac, but, you know, they lose by, you know, 12 a 12 point 337 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,800 loss, to Ball State who was not a great team, although coached 338 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,800 by a former IU guy in Michael, Louis. 339 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,200 I'm just, I'm just curious in those games where they're losing 340 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,000 by double-digit points, what's going on in those games? 341 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000 It's causing problems for Kent State. 342 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:24,300 Yeah, I definitely do think they're a team that thrives in 343 00:18:24,300 --> 00:18:27,400 their home environment and even in Cleveland, you know, 344 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,400 45-minute trip from Kent. So they had a great showing 345 00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:34,100 definitely the louder crowd and most of their matchups, maybe 346 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:37,400 except for Akron. But yeah, they definitely thrive 347 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,100 in their home court. It just adds to their sort of 348 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,600 defensive disruption mentality. It's really hard. 349 00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:45,900 Teams to get hot against them in those environments. 350 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,500 So I think in a road environment, you're not going to 351 00:18:48,500 --> 00:18:50,500 have that in a neutral environment. 352 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,500 You know, I'm not exactly sure what the car trip to Albany 353 00:18:54,500 --> 00:18:59,000 would look like for people, but yeah and not not sure what the 354 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,800 turnout is going to be there. Yeah, I think just not, you 355 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,300 know, being a Mac guide keeping up with Kent State. 356 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:07,800 Do you know anybody, like you get a sense for how many people 357 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,800 from from cancer going to this game and I have no idea. 358 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,700 All right. I called around John. 359 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:19,200 Let's go. So you know, as I look at this, 360 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,700 you know, from an IU perspective, You know, I was, I 361 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:24,200 was kind of scared of Oral Roberts. 362 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,900 Think a lot of people were I honestly think that, you know, 363 00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:31,200 we match up pretty well with Kent State, just because we're 364 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,900 susceptible the team's shoot threes. 365 00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:36,900 Well, we don't shoot threes well as Indiana it, you know. 366 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:40,800 Statistically can State really doesn't shoot great from the 367 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,600 line either only 33%. We've kind of forsaken, some 368 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,600 rebounding for offensive efficiency and you guys don't 369 00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:51,600 really rebound, offensive ly that way you're off. 370 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:55,000 Rebounding percentage is like 260th my country. 371 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,200 So from our perspective, looks like it's a pretty good match 372 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,800 about. I'm curious, you know, when you 373 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,300 saw the brackets release, what was your thoughts? 374 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:03,900 Like, you know, you kind of had a feel, you're probably going to 375 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:06,700 be in the in that seed line, you know, was there a team that you 376 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:09,000 wanted to match up with, we saw Indiana where you're like, oh, 377 00:20:09,008 --> 00:20:10,100 that's good. Matchup bad. 378 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:12,700 Matchup you, how did you, how did you feel about it? 379 00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:14,900 Maybe was there a team? You want to see more of her or 380 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:18,600 was Indiana that team? There wasn't really a team, I 381 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,500 was hoping for, but definitely when I saw Indiana as the 382 00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:25,400 matchup, I knew that wasn't a particularly good Poll for Kent 383 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:30,100 State, just because of that question of how they're going to 384 00:20:30,108 --> 00:20:34,300 guard Jackson, Davis. It was arguably, you know, the 385 00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:36,200 best player in the country. Obviously, he didn't win the 386 00:20:36,208 --> 00:20:38,500 award but first team, All-American and all that? 387 00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:41,900 Yeah, and they just haven't had a great time guarding. 388 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:44,100 Big men that's been there. One week weakness. 389 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:48,800 So, Yeah. Yep. 390 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,400 No, I hear you. So, we'll get you out of here on 391 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,800 this. You know what, what is your feel 392 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,000 for this game? You know how, you know. 393 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,600 I'm, I'm nervous just because this Indiana team has had a 394 00:21:01,608 --> 00:21:05,400 history of and, I mean, this is no disrespect to Kent State. 395 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,900 But, you know, I can see them. They get up for games against 396 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:11,600 like Purdue and, you know, nationally ranked big-name teams 397 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,700 and then we'll play like, you know, Penn State in the Big Ten 398 00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:15,900 Tournament which is still Very important game. 399 00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:18,400 We just don't we didn't really show up for that game. 400 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,200 We kind of know show some games at times and that's my bigger 401 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,400 fear. Is that at this level, every 402 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,900 team is good. And every team poses problems. 403 00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:29,300 And My worry is that, you know, maybe we come out there just 404 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:33,300 kind of flat don't really take can't taste a seriously and the 405 00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:35,900 next thing you know a queer as they've shown against Houston 406 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:38,700 Gonzaga we're in a dogfight and then it kind of becomes you know 407 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,300 last couple minutes and anything can happen. 408 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:43,300 All because we're kind of looking forward to either 409 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:47,000 Houston and Miami. That's kind of map, my fear. 410 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,300 I still lean toward. I think Indiana's going to find 411 00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:55,000 a way to win and I think that, you know, Jackson Davis is, you 412 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,700 know, he can scout him but I do think it's a different level. 413 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:00,500 When you see him play in, you're playing him in person was like 414 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:03,500 Big Ten teams, they've been playing him for 23 years and 415 00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:06,300 it's like they have a feel they know it's like and they see it 416 00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:10,000 but I that would be, you know, my hope is that, you know, for 417 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,400 the players on Kent State. They're already at a bit of a 418 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,500 size disadvantage. Then it's like the athleticism 419 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:16,700 of Jackson. There's just no comp that you've 420 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:19,300 probably dealt with in the Mac to deal with that. 421 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:20,900 And you can scout it all you want but then it's like in 422 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:22,600 reality it's like your then you're seeing it's like oh my 423 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,000 gosh. That's that's my hope. 424 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,500 I think Indiana probably can win you know, by five or six points. 425 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:29,900 That's My overall, take on. I'm curious what your, you know, 426 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:32,900 feeling is on how this game could play out and we'll play 427 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:34,500 out. Yeah, I think that's a fair 428 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:37,000 assessment. Like you said about Jackson 429 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,900 Davis and Kent, State hasn't had that opportunity to play against 430 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:42,400 him for years, like Big Ten opponents. 431 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,000 I think Indiana could have that problem. 432 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:48,200 With certain players especially like sincere carry, who's in his 433 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,300 fifth year, he's played 130 games started, pretty much all 434 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:56,700 of them in his career, played for Duquesne before he came to 435 00:22:56,700 --> 00:23:00,000 Kent State, but that's a battle-tested player and he 436 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,200 really proved his ability to take over games when it mattered 437 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,300 the most in the Mac tournament, and when he's feeling it, like 438 00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:10,700 he'll essentially be like a motionless, like, on the floor, 439 00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:13,100 just locked in. Like there's no stopping him 440 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,000 when, you know, he's getting the ball in. 441 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,000 Situations, there's not much you can do. 442 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:21,300 So I think that's something to watch out for but you know, he 443 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:24,500 has a tough games that season and he didn't shoot well against 444 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:28,100 Houston or Gonzaga and that was probably the reason they didn't 445 00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:30,900 pull off those wins but I would say sincere carries. 446 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:34,600 The the biggest X Factor in this game and could be the reason 447 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,400 that can stay can pull off a victory, okay? 448 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,200 Any other guys that you talked about sincere Jacobs, Thomas 449 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,800 anybody else you know worth mentioning to keep an eye on I 450 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,800 love Amy Santiago, I can, but that's a solid name, but, you 451 00:23:47,808 --> 00:23:51,700 know, you look down your lineup. You know, everybody has an 452 00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:55,900 offensive rating of 100 or above, except for Jacobs and 453 00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:58,700 Davis and they're both at 95 and 98. 454 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:01,500 You know, you look at the percentages of possessions and 455 00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:04,600 it's pretty fairly distributed across this team obviously 456 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,600 sincere carry and Luke Jacobs have the most 26%, both of them 457 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,500 but it's it looks like you guys run you know, eight deep in most 458 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:16,600 games. And then everyone's contributing 459 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,400 and really at a relatively effective level based on 460 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,600 offensive rating. Yeah, really. 461 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,700 Is a team effort, you know a lot of players really have their 462 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:29,300 role Jalen cylinders and name Dimension. 463 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,700 He's only five, ten comes off the bench so it's important 464 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:35,900 mention. He's actually the nephew of 465 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,800 Jared Sullinger so I'm sure that's a familiar name to. 466 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,700 Yep, I was wondering that. Yeah, probably doesn't bring 467 00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:43,600 back great memories. Yeah. 468 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,700 Yeah, he had Courage is about eight Off the Bench. 469 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:51,600 He's a three-point specialist, but he can score inside too. 470 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,400 But, yeah, he's definitely the best. 471 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,200 Three-point shooter on the team at about 42 percent. 472 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,400 So he's somebody to watch out for. 473 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,000 Yeah, and I would say, based off of recent games forward, Chris 474 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,000 Payton is somebody to watch out for, he scored 17 in the MAC 475 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,700 Championship, he can finish inside, you know, dunk the 476 00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:13,600 basketball, gets the team fired up. 477 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,100 So All right, so I will get you out of here on this. 478 00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:20,600 Who give me your prediction for the game. 479 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,200 Whoo, I'm gonna have to take Kent State 6866. 480 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,700 Okay. All right, I like it. 481 00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:33,900 I think, I think Indiana wins by 5 and probably in that same kind 482 00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:37,500 of score range, but it might be like Indiana, you know, 72 can 483 00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:43,100 State like 6067 so somewhere in that range. 484 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:48,800 And and I'll ask you this and I don't there's no you know no 485 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,100 nice way to say you know for Indiana I think for us this 486 00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:52,800 season like we can get to a sweet 16. 487 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,100 I think that's been a really good year and then it's like you 488 00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:59,200 know I think based on this team you know we've been saying on 489 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,700 this podcast for a while. I think the high-level ability 490 00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:05,000 of this team they could win a National Championship. 491 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,700 They can go to a final four. I just want that they're 492 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:09,100 consistent enough to do it but at the top level and they're 493 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:13,400 playing at their level, they are an elite team but I look at us, 494 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,400 you know, we can get to a sweet 16. 495 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:17,100 In venues, let the cards fall where they may and see how you 496 00:26:17,108 --> 00:26:19,600 do against Houston. Curious for Kent State, you guys 497 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,800 come in, you beat Indiana, is that a validating season for a 498 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,000 team in the Mac? Or would you be also looking 499 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,900 like, we'd love to get to a sweet 16 and yeah I mean I think 500 00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:32,000 winning the first round game always means a successful season 501 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000 for most mid major conference winners. 502 00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:38,900 I think the Mac the Mac is 5 and 7 in their last first round 503 00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:41,300 game. So almost 50% there. 504 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:45,700 Yeah but a team hasn't made the sweet 16 since Since 2012, when 505 00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:48,800 Ohio did it. So definitely would be big for 506 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,300 the conference to get back there. 507 00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:54,000 And, you know, I think for Kent State first round when is good, 508 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,700 but if we're talking Mac as a whole, I think it would be 509 00:26:56,700 --> 00:26:58,500 really big. If a team could get back to the 510 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:01,900 Sweet 16. Well, I would love to wish you 511 00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:04,600 luck, but I can't because, you know, we don't want to lose in 512 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,400 the first round of this is what makes the the tournament, a ton 513 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,900 of fun. And we'll start, you know, maybe 514 00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:12,800 this will be again, we meet, you know, back-to-back years and 515 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,100 they were playing for a final four berth again next year. 516 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,900 But hopefully, you don't have to beat us this year to have that 517 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:21,700 happen again. So yeah, well John I appreciate 518 00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:24,000 you coming on. Thank you so much again. 519 00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:30,400 The website is hustle belt.com the SB Nation for the Mac You 520 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,800 can find John on Twitter at John Elrod, underscored 19 and thank 521 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,000 you guys all for listening. It's go time, man. 522 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,200 When depending on when you listen this the game is 523 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,900 relatively soon and I want to thank you guys all for the 524 00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:45,200 support and we will be back after the game. 525 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:48,300 Probably not Friday night. I'd say Saturday, some time to 526 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,800 recap what's going on and hopefully sorry John cover 527 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,200 Years. Hopefully discussing a game 528 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,400 against, you know, maybe Miami or, you know, whoever we end up 529 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,200 playing in the second round but we shall see. 530 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,300 So Thank you all for listening till next time. 531 00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:03,600 This is Scott for Crimson cast signing off.