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field, apparel talk about the 
Crimson cats Galen klaviyo, 

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Scott Caulfield joining you. 
Once again, it is the 30th of 

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December of 2022, were almost 
done with 2022. 

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To Scott I'm not going to miss 
2022 for a variety of reasons 

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you know looking forward to see 
what 2023 might have on offer 

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but yeah it's hard to do end of 
the year and we wanted to get a 

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few thoughts out there on some 
of the IU sports that we talked 

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about. 
So we decided to hop on and chat

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with you folks about things good
to see you. 

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How are you doing? 
I'm doing great Adam. 

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This wasn't that bad of a year. 
I mean most years I'm kind of 

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you know I'm not sad to see it. 
Go I where we differ? 

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Your kind of ending. 
The are the timeline that you 

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hate that doldrums like for me, 
I'm okay with winter in Indiana 

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when it's Christmassy when 
there's lights up and you can 

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listen to, you know, Mariah 
Carey or I know you have your 

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holiday music. 
I'm a big fan of the very 

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special Christmas like special 
album. 

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The 90s. 
It has like Tom Petty & Run DMC 

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like it's a great anyway, I'm 
okay with all that. 

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It's from now till like 
mid-February when it's just a 

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slog and it's just cold and 
There's not ending soon and 

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there's no fun lights like this 
is this is the period. 

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I don't like this is the next 
month where I'm like tell my 

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wife like we should really move 
to like New Mexico or something.

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I agree with that although you 
know I I'm kind of the opposite 

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in that if I get conditioned I 
can deal with it, it's that 

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level of conditioning the 
transition down into it being 

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cold. 
And we really got smacked this 

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year more so than normal if you 
live in Indiana with Some really

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really cold temperatures really 
earlier than we normally would 

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get them which is not ideal, but
yeah, I'm kind of the opposite 

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in that, I just feel at this 
stage is like, alright, I'm 

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settled in. 
It's basketball season. 

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I'm not supposed to go outside. 
Anyway, we're just going to roll

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through. 
And then by the time I look up 

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again, it's mid March and it 
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warmer. 
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Anyway, we wanted to talk 
basketball. 

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We wanted to talk some football.
We're gonna start with 

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basketball, the men's team with 
a not inspiring week before 

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Christmas. 
I think to put it very mildly, a

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couple of games where they 
struggled the first game was it 

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was, it was closed for a little 
bit and then kind of evened out.

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And then you know, I was at Elon
game, they end up winning that 

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game by 24. 
The Kennesaw State game was was 

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really not ideal from a variety 
of perspectives even though 

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Indiana really. 
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perspective was never in that 
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speaking. 
It didn't feel that way when 

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Kennesaw State took a 4236 lead 
with about 12 minutes to go in 

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the game. 
Indiana gets a lot of credit in 

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terms of hay, from that point, 
that kind of finished off the 

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last quarter of the game pretty 
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But Scott this IU team really 
looks like it's struggled a lot 

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with Just looking like they want
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I think would be probably the 
biggest thing. 

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I mean, they really have looked 
like in several of these games 

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at their kind of going through 
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It's got a lot of people in the 
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You add on to that the exact the
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He's he might be out for the 
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He's certainly going to be out 
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I think the bulk of the Big Ten 
season given that it is a broken

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foot, that is a difficult injury
to come back from when you play 

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basketball and So I think, you 
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legitimate questions raised 
about what goes on with this 

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team now where are they at? 
How prepped are they really for 

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what's coming up in the Big Ten 
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basically in a week a little 
under a week as the Iowa game is

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on that Thursday of next week. 
So you had a bunch of concerns 

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that you had texted to me. 
So why don't you start? 

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Because I think you represent a 
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in the fanbase have right now 
about where I you men's 

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basketball is Heading into the 
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Yeah, I mean it's the last 
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a stink about it this morning, 
it almost you worry. 

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It's like my God was North 
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Season or at least it means 
definitely the high point of the

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the, the early non-conference. 
But it's you know, the last game

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you really had a full strength, 
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full-strength, Xavier Johnson 
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it's just been very uninspiring 
basketball - a win against 

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Nebraska who didn't look that 
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But that's us team that also 
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So, there you go. 
It's you know, I'll start with 

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Xavier. 
John's, like that injury to me 

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is just killer like that. 
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the floor of this team. 
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starting five, but he's also so 
important that it really creates

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a next man up scenario where I 
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throughout the year can be a 
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guard. 
The trouble is then who's now 

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leading the second unit and then
you have Trey Galloway moving 

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into the starting lineup. 
Line up, so he's not coming off 

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the ball and it's like, then 
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Caleb gun, who has some sorry 
CJ. 

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Yeah. 
Yes, sir killed Banks. 

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Austega so CJ gun. 
It's yeah, we'll get it. 

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One of these years 2043 is going
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know it did the second string 
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issue but no the so I really 
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many points during the beginning
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you know, when it felt like this
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going. 
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it like, he felt like the 
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mucked up and slow down. 
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drive in. 
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I'm going to do something and 
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And, you know, this is I, I'll 
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like, you know, be the proxy for
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It's it's scary because, you 
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Arizona, Kansas are all games, 
they kind of Sleepwalk through, 

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didn't win, and then Kennesaw 
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It seemed like they Really lock 
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minutes. 
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different if we had a history of
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this team. 
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income Big Ten season but we see
many years and I know some of 

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it's over different coaches 
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slept walk through half the Big 
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it's it's okay if you're hoping 
just to make the tournament like

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we were a couple of years ago 
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expectations have raised for 
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You know, this team was Was is 
bringing a lot of pieces back 

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from a team last year because 
the team that should be better. 

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This is a team that should be 
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500 the Big Ten and make the 
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It's a team that should be 
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of the Big Ten and right now it 
doesn't quite look like they're 

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going to be able to do that 
because you know, games like at 

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Rutgers, those are the games 
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theoretically win but at least 
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If you're going to compete to be
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it doesn't Look like they're 
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There's not a lot of history in 
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So I'll leave their. 
I mean, it's, I'll, I'll stop 

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now. 
I have more thoughts, but let me

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let you talk instead of me just,
you know, throwing up a bunch of

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other things. 
But it's to me it's not just the

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fact that they're losing its the
way they're losing in the fact 

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that you're seeing some people 
like, hey, Will the Arizona, you

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know, that was. 
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At least they put up a fight, 
where's Kansas? 

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Even put up a fight. 
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they put up a fight? 
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loss or not? 
It's like that's not a great 

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place to be okay, so you know, I
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really don't know what to expect
going into the new year because 

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the team that exists right now 
is not the team that I you 

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started the season with, you 
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of the team as it looked from 
those early stages of the season

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was going to be based around 
kind of two separate functional 

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units of offense with If you 
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interchangeable point guards for
the lead but then consistency in

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having a distributor for that 
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That looks like it's gone. 
Now with Xavier Johnson no 

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longer available. 
Now, you have to readjust 

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expectations. 
I think, given that your 

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personnel sets different. 
I think if you took any senior 

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starter off of a Big Ten roster,
particularly the point guard, 

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and as you mentioned, 
particularly the guy who's been 

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kind of the straw that stirs. 
The Drink from a, an energy 

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perspective for the team for the
last year and a half. 

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It's going to have an outsized 
impact on what you can and can't

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do on the floor. 
This is where the coaching staff

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really does need to figure out. 
Okay, how do we adjust what 

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we're doing? 
Can we adjust what we're doing? 

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Is there a way for us to 
recension Ali on the Fly? 

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Really, you know, change the the
structures especially on 

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offense. 
And I don't know if they're 

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capable of doing that. 
I don't know if that's something

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that you can do, given this 
Personnel set because, you know,

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with Xavier Johnson, and Jalen 
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This team is a lot more Dynamic 
offensively without with just 

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jail. 
No trophy. 

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No, your arguably less Dynamic 
than you were last year, albeit,

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you're shooting a lot better, 
you know, I think that the 

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struggles that Indiana has had 
on offense in some of these 

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recent games, you have to keep 
in mind, that ultimately, For 

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the season least still. 
Right now, this is still a 

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significantly better team 
offensively than Indiana had 

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last year or the year before 
that. 

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And I'm willing to give them 
some time to work it out because

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realistically speaking I think 
there's really only two games 

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that I would point to and what 
they've done thus far and say 

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this offensive production was 
completely inadequate, one of 

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them was the Kansas game and one
of them was the Rutgers game and

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I would actually argue that they
lost those. 

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Games for different reasons. 
It's not like the same issue 

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over and over again. 
Except that you have traced 

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Jackson Davis getting taken out 
of his element and he has for 

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whatever reason not been able to
figure out a way to adjust what 

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he does. 
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How good Arizona looks? 
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that Indiana lost to on a A 
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barometer. 
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for that, kind of a challenge 
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watch throughout the course of 
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And he had a went into that game
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they won by 14 points. 
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30-point lead and Kennesaw State
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was only 16 or 14, at the end of
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gradually pulling away. 
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be overly reactionary on it. 
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the moment, but looking back on 
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things Indiana is going to have 
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within the conference. 
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Rutgers game and that being game
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five. 
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Rutgers in terms of like they're
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top five of The Big Tab. 
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lot of people are going to 
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road at Rutgers this year. 
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about that. 
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numbers look right now, given 
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that's not as bad of a loss, as 
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concerns though, is if Indiana 
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can't win at, you know, for 
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the next Road game after that. 
Like, those are teams that have 

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or Rutgers have. 
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They're going to have to win 
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Good. 
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I don't think it's time to hit 
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I do think however Indiana's 
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roster in a much different set 
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were even a month ago. 
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what the actual adjustment 
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what that looks like because 
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stage. 
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better shooting Miller, cop 
Tamar Bates who suddenly emerged

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as A guy who can score Off the 
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and a freshman point guard, who 
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point, guard? 
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Look, awesome. 
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good at all, and it's hard to 
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going to show up on a night 
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fact that ultimately you're 
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had to rely on and things that 
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consistent yet within what 
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Yes, I agree with all that and 
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because part of it to me is it 
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projecting. 
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State and Illinois as their next
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you kind of have to be again. 
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echelon, you got to go two and 
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going to have lost the Rutgers 
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Like that's more. 
I guess that's more. 

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What I'm saying is that you, you
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Me Rutgers 22nd and Ken Palm 
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That's looking like a better and
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Good, good, good bad loss. 
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that. 
And then also lose the Iowa and 

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Penn State. 
Like you, you do have a little 

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bit of ground to catch up on. 
But I will say this is, you 

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know, some people are going to 
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You mentioned to Barbados, he's 
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Okay? 
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he had 13 points against Arizona
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plus points. 
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Rutgers, you know, he was 
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Osho Kansas. 
He was pretty much a no-show 145

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from three and then he had 23 
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you know? 
It's I need to see that 

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happening against some of the 
better teams. 

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Malik renew has done. 
Really well, he started the tail

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off like he's got to pick it up 
like this is where it kind of 

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becomes, you know, next guys up 
in some of these these guys that

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we've talked about having, you 
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need to start to step up because
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I everything you said about 
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is 100 Ensure it changes 
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still a lot of Talent on this 
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enough Talent on this roster 
enough pieces. 

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That this team still should be, 
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the Big Ten I still, I'll lower 
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I still think top five in the 
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roster based on what the Big Ten
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I mean you're still you still 
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All-American in the post. 
You have a couple of five stars 

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you have guys who have been 
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like Tamar Bates and Trey 
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Like there's a lot of Talent on 
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you lose Xavier Mustang, you're 
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lose a viewer and it's like, you
have to readjust things with you

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do to make. 
All right, well now we can, you 

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know, to me, again, if we're 
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Ten, that is, that's a bad 
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Even if you factor in the Xavier
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their still, a lot of Talent on 
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And so, I like you, I'm curious 
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because this does feel like this
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Are you had some tough breaks 
but let's let's see. 

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You know, to me as Iowa game is 
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It's like that's a place that 
you definitely can win, it's not

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going to be easy but that's a 
place that, you know you should 

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be able to go in and get a win. 
I don't know. 

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You know I mean we keep you've 
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there's a lot of Talent on this 
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I don't know how much I mean a 
lot of the the ideas about the 

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season and what we saw early on 
were predicated on the idea that

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oh here are here, are basketball
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develop to a higher level. 
Ville of competition. 

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And I don't know that we've 
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several of the players. 
You know, I, you can go down the

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list, you know, Trace Jackson 
Davis has statistically had his,

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you know, a really good season 
so far. 

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that his contributions have been

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kind of uneven against teams 
where Indiana really needed them

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to be. 
I mean, he was great against 

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Xavier, he was really good 
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And then he really struggled 
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still had double-figure points 
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But clearly was was struggling 
to do what he wanted to do on a 

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regular basis. 
And, you know, a lot of issues 

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with just not knowing Go with 
the ball. 

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You know, Trace Jackson Davis in
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some kind of ceiling is going to
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Carolina Xavier performance all 
the time. 

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If he doesn't get more help from
the people around him and that 

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to me, is the larger issue to 
some degree in a race. 

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Thompson is just not having 
offensively speaking. 

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I think the year that you would 
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really developed into a 
Consistent. 

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Three-point threat, his free 
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his two-point shooting has 
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It's still pretty good, but it's
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almost 60% from the field last 
year from to he's only shooting 

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about 56 percent. 
This year that matters given the

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volume of shots, he ends up 
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haven't quite gotten, I think 
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performance out of race 
Thompson, yet that you need in 

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order to take some of the burden
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meleager, You started off real 
strong, his turnover rate right 

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now is ridiculously high. 
He's turning the ball over on 

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almost 27 percent of the 
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And there's a lot of possessions
now where he just looks very 

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lost about what that rate is 
also unbelievably. 

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Yeah, he's committing. 
What foul minute or something. 

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It's like six and a half, fouls 
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know it's just it's a problem 
and you go down the list of play

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in the Big East so that's not 
good. 

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I think. 
Miller cop deserves A lot of 

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credit for his three-point 
shooting increasing to the 

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degree that it has. 
But it's, you know, it's still 

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one of those situations where 
you're you know dis he maintain 

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the level that he's got right 
now which is at about 45%. 

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It's already started to regress 
a bit. 

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It was 50% before a week and a 
half ago and it's Fallen quite a

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bit so you know, I think there's
and I'm it sounds like I'm 

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making excuses. 
It's more like I'm trying to 

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figure out how good is this 
roster actually. 

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They looked really good to start
the year, but as we're seeing 

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with other Big Ten teams right 
now, I think perhaps we were 

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overly optimistic based upon 
some early season performances 

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and you know, you go down the 
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I mean, whether it's Illinois 
who's really fallen off and is 

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really struggling offensively 
compared to what they've done in

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previous years. 
Iowa, just got obliterated, you 

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know, by Nebraska at Nebraska 
last night and that followed a 

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game. 
One of the biggest upsets in 

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college basketball in the last 
ten years were Eastern Illinois.

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I went in and beat them in Iowa,
City by 9, you know, that's a 

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team. 
I think everybody thought was 

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going to be at least marginally 
better than they have been thus 

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far. 
Michigan state has struggled, 

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Maryland has been very, very up 
and down in terms of what 

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they've been able to accomplish.
And so again it's like with 

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Indiana, we try to be honest on 
this show about what we see and 

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what we, what we think is going 
on and where I get back to the 

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word Johnson is such a huge loss
for this team because whatever. 

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Concerns or questions you might 
have about his decision-making 

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at times more often than not. 
He's demonstrated an ability in 

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order on the offense. 
He provides a lot of you know, 

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an ability and interest in 
shooting the ball himself and 

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generating his own offense but 
also is one of the top 

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distributors in college 
basketball and has been really 

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for his entire college career 
taking that off the table and 

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having to rely on Jalen Hurd 
Shafi know, as your starting 

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point guard who's now your 
secondary point guard Trager The

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way is not proved himself up to 
the task of being a primary 

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ball, handler and distributor 
Tamar Bates has not proven 

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himself up to the task. 
He's emerged really? 

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Well as a to you know as a guy 
who can come in and give you 

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points, you just you lose a lot 
of flexibility without Johnson 

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out there and it just 
fundamentally Alters, what you 

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can expect. 
Now, you're getting instead of 

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putting everybody in the roles, 
you want them in. 

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Now, you're increasingly having 
to put people in roles that 

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they're not comfortable in. 
And that's not even talking 

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about this movement, among 
certain people in the fan base 

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about what we It should just be 
playing. 

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Trace Jackson. 
Davis is our only big and 

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running Miller cop at the four. 
And it's like, okay, that sounds

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great in theory, but like, who 
are your guards now, you know, 

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who are your wings, that are 
going to be playing in those 

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positions that you're Now 
vacating by not having race 

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Thompson out on the floor 
regularly, you know what 

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happened to Malik renews minutes
at that point. 

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There's a lot of things that 
losing Xavier Johnson, makes it 

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a lot harder to put fixes in to 
make the offense and the defense

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run more efficiently than they 
are at this point. 

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Point. 
Yeah, I mean, the other aisle 

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will keep on oscillating on 
different sides. 

446
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,100
I'll take a positive view for 
next for the 2023. 

447
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,000
You know, remainder of that 
calendar year. 

448
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,500
You know, this is the first time
in his career, that Trace 

449
00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:46,500
Jackson Davis has had some DMP 
coach's decision. 

450
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:49,200
So he didn't play against Little
Rock in the obviously been 

451
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,200
playing in Ceylon or Kennesaw 
State. 

452
00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:55,600
He's nursing some sort of back 
or some kind of injury, you hope

453
00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,500
that with basically having two 
and a half weeks off Able to 

454
00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:04,600
kind of play at a higher level 
because that's and if he you 

455
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,600
know, this is where it's really 
tough because you don't know if 

456
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,700
guys are playing you know 
injured or not I but you have to

457
00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:13,000
as somebody who's watches games 
you have to assume if they're 

458
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,800
out there, they're good enough 
to play but there was moments in

459
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,600
that Kansas game. 
Where Trace would you know like 

460
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,200
just have a great defensive 
stand, block a shot and then get

461
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,100
great position. 
Get the ball and put it up as a 

462
00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:25,900
three minutes of like, man. 
This guy's owning the game and 

463
00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:28,800
then it would kind of just go 
back into neutral for five or 

464
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,500
six minutes. 
He could very well have been 

465
00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:34,000
just, you know, nursing an 
injury but you know, that is a 

466
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,700
positive look, is it hopefully 
this time off, has given him the

467
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:40,700
ability to rest up and be ready 
for what's going to be a pretty 

468
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:44,000
pounding, Big Ten season. 
But that that also leads into 

469
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,100
the frustration with his team. 
As you see, little glimpses of 

470
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,100
me sought for like 35 minutes 
against North Carolina, where 

471
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:53,300
this team across the board. 
Not just, you know, everybody is

472
00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:57,900
just giving maximum effort 
maximum effort on defense and 

473
00:24:57,900 --> 00:24:59,400
you saw spurts of it against 
Terra. 

474
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,800
Zone that you saw like spurts of
it against Kansas. 

475
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,300
You didn't see a lot of it 
against Rutgers and that's the 

476
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:07,900
frustrating part is like you you
got to play that for 40 minutes 

477
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,300
and you know there's that's I 
think the most we can talk about

478
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:13,300
you know skill level all things 
you're talking about but the 

479
00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:16,900
effort at times it feels like a 
lot of these guys are just kind 

480
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:20,800
of playing in second gear, third
gear, and not going full 

481
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,700
throttle and it's frustrating. 
When you see it, like we saw it 

482
00:25:24,708 --> 00:25:28,300
in North Carolina, everyone is 
just going at full speed. 

483
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:31,700
It's like, alright, you You've 
got to do that every night and 

484
00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:34,800
like it's tough when. 
Yeah, you know you're playing, 

485
00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,400
you know, in the this is also 
worth stuff where it's like, you

486
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,500
know, I hope we can get past 
this where some people have 

487
00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,000
talked about. 
That Rutgers game is like, well 

488
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,100
yeah, that big great gaming is 
North Carolina at home. 

489
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:49,200
It's like a letdown against 
Rutgers like we got to stop just

490
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,200
having these built-in letdown 
games like last year's. 

491
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,700
If we beat Purdue as I got one 
Michigan, like you know, that's 

492
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,100
that's a schedule. 
Also, we like you can't just 

493
00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:58,600
have schedule letdown losses in 
your schedule. 

494
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,700
That's something. 
We've got to grow past that 

495
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:03,600
like, yeah, it's great. 
You had a nice win. 

496
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,800
You did really well. 
Sorry, my phone's ringing rings 

497
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,700
on every device, but it's like, 
now you need to do it again and,

498
00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:15,800
you know, it can be done teams, 
do that in the Big Ten that do 

499
00:26:15,808 --> 00:26:18,700
it across the country, they win 
a great big game at home and 

500
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:21,000
they go on the road and they 
still look locked in and play 

501
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,800
that. 
And that's to me, I would say 

502
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,500
the most frustrating part is how
uneven the effort has looked 

503
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:29,400
throughout games and how how 
easily we can. 

504
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,000
Can just be like, well, you 
know, what are you gonna do? 

505
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,000
Like, you know, big home, win 
against North Carolina, go to 

506
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,800
Rutgers, he loses like those 
kinds of things have to kind of 

507
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,500
stop happening and the just 
getting I'm with you, Arizona 

508
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:44,100
and Kansas are both possible 
number one seeds in the 

509
00:26:44,108 --> 00:26:47,100
tournament. 
You know, no fault in losing but

510
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:49,200
just to come in and kind of get 
your doors blown off. 

511
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,100
In the first five minutes. 
You can at least keep it a 

512
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:56,600
puncher's chance for a while. 
So that that's what I, I'm even 

513
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,300
oscillating between my own take.
Like, that's what I hope to see.

514
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,100
You know, if Trace can get 
healthy and kind of be the one 

515
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:05,400
to lead this team with that that
intensity. 

516
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,100
But again, as I say that, you 
know, this is this is again 

517
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,500
where that I don't want to make 
excuses but losing Xavier 

518
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:15,400
Johnson is just so crosstalk, so
bad across the board because he 

519
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,900
was also kind of that. 
Emotional leader like Trace is a

520
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:23,800
fantastic player is going to 
have a great stat line is going 

521
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,500
straight into the Indiana Hall 
of Fame when he when he leaves, 

522
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,600
you know, playing as a Hoosier. 
But he's never been like Like 

523
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,300
the emotional leader of this 
team, that's not a bad thing. 

524
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:35,200
It's just that's not his role, 
that doesn't seem to be what he 

525
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,400
does. 
It was Xavier Johnson, like, 

526
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,200
Xavier Johnson was the emotional
leader of this team and so 

527
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,600
losing that I would say, that's 
this, someone's gotta step up on

528
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,300
this team. 
I'm not sure who it is to kind 

529
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:48,100
of be like, the, we got it. 
Like, we got to play harder. 

530
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:51,300
We got to lock in, we got to do 
more, you know, and we've got to

531
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:54,900
find who that is. 
But, wow, as I'm ending this, I 

532
00:27:54,908 --> 00:27:57,700
realized I Meander and don't 
really have a point there. 

533
00:27:57,900 --> 00:27:59,400
Well, okay. 
Here's here's here's. 

534
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:01,900
The thing I mean, there's always
ups and downs. 

535
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:08,500
I think with every College 
basketball program and Indiana 

536
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:10,300
has. 
I think there's been legitimate 

537
00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:15,600
questions raised about the 
motors of some of the players on

538
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,600
how use roster and that's been a
consistent issue. 

539
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,200
Going back through the crane 
era. 

540
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,200
And I think that, you know, to 
some degree, it is something 

541
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,200
that frustrates Indiana fans 
more than anything else. 

542
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,800
Because people have the opinion 
that there were never lulls in 

543
00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:36,100
attitude or performance like 
during Bob, Knight's tenure, 

544
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:37,600
which if you go back, And watch 
the games. 

545
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,600
That's absolutely not true. 
They're this stuff has gone on 

546
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,500
forever. 
I think we're highly sensitive 

547
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:44,500
to it right now. 
It's kind of like the free-throw

548
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:48,700
shooting thing where it's like, 
well, you know, how could any 

549
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:50,400
and only shoot free throws at 
this level. 

550
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,100
When in fact, if you go back and
look historically, that's not 

551
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:57,100
that unusual but they all go to 
the wedding of winning. 

552
00:28:57,100 --> 00:29:00,200
Well, but that, but the issue 
the issue remains ultimately, 

553
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,100
yes. 
Indiana has to win more 

554
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:07,900
basketball games, and they have 
to, I think, Be a harder team to

555
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:11,000
play against because they do 
come across in some of these 

556
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,200
games. 
And this is really, this was 

557
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,000
absolutely the case for a lot of
last season, they come across as

558
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,400
a team, that will Wilt at some 
point. 

559
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,400
Whether it's, you know, early on
in the game like that home game 

560
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,900
against Illinois last year, or 
whether it's late in the game, 

561
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:27,200
like the, well, the Ohio State 
game at Ohio State or the home 

562
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,300
gaming, it's Rutgers last year 
or, you know, but then on the 

563
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:33,900
flip side, you know, II try to, 
I think he got to give Mike 

564
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:35,500
Winston's group. 
The benefit of the doubt at 

565
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:38,400
least a little bit because And 
they did win some games and 

566
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,900
we're in games last year that 
you wouldn't expect them to be. 

567
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:45,800
And whether that was both Purdue
games, including the one that 

568
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,200
they, you know, we're within two
points of of tying and sending 

569
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,800
into overtime up at Mackey. 
You know, the there's been other

570
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,600
examples like that where you go 
through and look at what they 

571
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,900
did. 
That's where you need to some 

572
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:03,000
degree. 
It's hard to get a full sense of

573
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,900
okay. 
Our Trace Jackson, Davis has 

574
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:06,500
struggled because he's nursing 
an injury. 

575
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:09,400
And, of course, I you doesn't 
release injury information to 

576
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,000
anybody. 
So, everybody's left guessing 

577
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,700
and, you know, your to some 
degree because social media 

578
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,400
creates an environment where 
everybody is just hot taking all

579
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,000
the time. 
It's like, well, this is Tracy, 

580
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,500
is having a motivation issue. 
Are the rest of the players 

581
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:28,600
having motivation issues. 
I think in a lot of cases, the 

582
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,500
issues that you seeing from 
certain players are explainable 

583
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:37,200
in individual areas, I think 
Malik renew is Juggling with the

584
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,800
adaptation to the college game 
because he played well for the 

585
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,300
first month then suddenly there 
was film on him and teams are 

586
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:47,200
forcing him to wrong direction, 
or they're frustrating him at 

587
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,100
points, where he's not used to 
getting frustrated. 

588
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,200
You know, Miller cop is just a 
bad defensive player and always 

589
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,000
has been and you're not really 
going to change that because he 

590
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,200
doesn't have the physical 
capability to be a better 

591
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,900
defensive player, you know, jail
in a jiffy. 

592
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:05,500
Know I think is clearly trying 
to do too much offensively. 

593
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:08,700
And He is learning as a 
freshman. 

594
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:12,600
You know what, I can't just take
whatever shot because it's going

595
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,200
to get contested and I'm 
probably going to miss it and I 

596
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:17,800
I'd like to see him get better 
at that will see. 

597
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,000
You know it's funny because from
three he's actually been really 

598
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
good. 
He's shooting 38% for 3 so far 

599
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,400
this season. 
He's from to been an atrocity, 

600
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,500
say shooting 42%. 
And most of that is because he's

601
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:33,000
getting himself into positions 
where he can't actually complete

602
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,400
the shot that he's trying to 
take. 

603
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,000
I do think that these things 
will gradually get It worked 

604
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,800
out, but a lot of it's an open 
question. 

605
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,000
Right now, I think, at this 
stage, Indiana has done enough 

606
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:47,000
winning at Xavier being the only
team that's beating North 

607
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,800
Carolina by double digits. 
You know, that's that to me, 

608
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,500
it's like old, they showed us 
something in those games I'm not

609
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:55,800
willing to throw all that out 
because we've had some 

610
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,900
disappointing performances more 
recently. 

611
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:00,800
Let's see what happens over this
next few weeks. 

612
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,000
I but I, you know, but again, 
I'll come back to what I said 

613
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,700
like that. 
There's a seven-game stretch 

614
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:10,400
that they'll have Really, an 
eight-game, stretch to start the

615
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,100
Big Ten season, you can even 
extend it to nine. 

616
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:16,000
Let's take the nine games. 
Well, here's why here's why? 

617
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,700
Because I think all adults the 
season, I feel like it's a 

618
00:32:18,708 --> 00:32:22,100
nine-game stretch where think of
Indiana is a serious Contender 

619
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:24,900
that they need to go 6 and 3 in 
this stretch. 

620
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:29,000
And it's at Iowa, Northwestern 
at home at Penn State Wisconsin 

621
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,700
at home at Illinois. 
Michigan State at home at 

622
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:35,300
Minnesota, Ohio State at home. 
You have six and three and that 

623
00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:38,500
stretch, I think it's about what
you would need to really be 

624
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:41,200
competitive for the Big Ten 
title because honestly I mean I 

625
00:32:41,208 --> 00:32:43,500
think Purdue is going to fall 
back to Earth somewhat Purdue is

626
00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:45,500
done everything. 
They've done so far this season 

627
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,000
despite only shooting 30.5 
percent from three, their 305th 

628
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,800
in the country, I don't think 
that's entirely sustainable 

629
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,100
because eventually teams will 
just dare them to beat them from

630
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:58,000
outside and they may not be able
to do that. 

631
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,800
I think the Big Ten champion 
this year, the regular season 

632
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,600
Champion could end up having six
or seven losses in the 

633
00:33:04,608 --> 00:33:08,200
conference. 
So I think Long as Indiana isn't

634
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,000
going like five and four or four
and five through that stretch of

635
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,700
games that they're playing, 
prior to the game at Maryland. 

636
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:16,600
That's really what they need to 
do. 

637
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,100
And they're going to have to do 
it with a freshman starting 

638
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:21,000
point guard. 
And with the, you know, their 

639
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,300
star offensive player looking 
like he's banged up, that's 

640
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:26,900
going to be a real challenge. 
That's where I'm really curious 

641
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:29,500
to see if Indiana because we've 
talked so much about offense 

642
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:31,800
here. 
I'm really curious if Indiana 

643
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,600
can recommit defensively because
to me, that's where they've 

644
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,600
really fallen down. 
You know. 

645
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,400
So with the exception of the 
Kansas game, I think all the 

646
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,000
other games on the schedule will
probably and maybe Rutgers 

647
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,700
because that was kind of its own
separate thing. 

648
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:46,100
But I think that Arizona game 
was winnable if Indiana had 

649
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:49,800
played better defense and and 
they weren't able to I think 

650
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,100
that you know, they look much 
better against Kennesaw State 

651
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,500
Nebraska if they are playing 
better defensively in those 

652
00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:00,800
games and I think it's within 
their grasp to do so but it's 

653
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,900
going to be a challenge. 
Now that you're losing one of 

654
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:05,500
the most effective and annoying 
Defenders and is a viewer 

655
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,199
Johnson. 
For an extended period of time. 

656
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:12,199
Yeah, I mean it's I will say 
this, we look at defense, your 

657
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,100
we're still the third best 
defensive team in the Big Ten, 

658
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,600
unadjusted defense on Ken Palm. 
So we're still there again. 

659
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,900
That's where I say, like, I 
still see this as a team, that 

660
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:24,800
could and should finish top five
in the Big Ten. 

661
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,199
Couple other random thoughts are
just things. 

662
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:28,699
You talked about, you know, jail
Hood safiye. 

663
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:31,800
Know, not only is a three-point 
shooting like you said at, you 

664
00:34:31,808 --> 00:34:34,500
know, 37 percent for the year 
but that's that's including an 0

665
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:36,800
for 5, you know, start against 
Bethune-Cookman. 

666
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,000
So if you just take out that for
I know, You can take that 

667
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,100
everything, but like, you just 
take out the first game that 

668
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:45,300
suddenly jumps him up to close 
to 40 percent from three in 

669
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:50,000
basically, every game after his 
first game as a second game, as 

670
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,100
a, as a college player. 
So, you know there, there's some

671
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,800
really positive attributes there
with his shooting. 

672
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:59,200
But I am. 
You nailed it with that six and 

673
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,500
three in the first nine games, 
because I do think this is a 

674
00:35:01,508 --> 00:35:05,000
team that's going to have to for
the most part, hold serve at 

675
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,200
home. 
Maybe you lose one game at home.

676
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:10,000
And then you've got to pick up 
like, you know, a couple of 

677
00:35:10,008 --> 00:35:12,300
those Road games and that's 
where again, it comes back to, 

678
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,900
you know, those first three Road
games, Iowa Penn State, 

679
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:18,600
Illinois. 
There's no must wins in January,

680
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:22,100
but it is that, that Iowa game. 
If you don't win that, it's like

681
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:25,600
you kind of, you kind of got to 
really pick up that Illinois, 

682
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,600
road game, like, at some point 
you now have to pick up one of 

683
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,700
those tougher Road games. 
If you do want to be, not just 

684
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:36,100
hovering around 500 in the big 
tip so well and look and don't 

685
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:39,000
get me wrong, folks. 
Like I think Indiana needs to be

686
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,300
better off pensively, the scheme
needs to be better. 

687
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,100
I-i've been very critical about 
how long it takes Indiana to get

688
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:48,500
into their possessions and sets.
And I thought a lot of that 

689
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:51,200
would get fixed with Xavier 
Johnson and JLo Jaffe. 

690
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,700
No back because keep in mind who
Cioppino was out injured for a 

691
00:35:54,707 --> 00:35:57,200
large stretch of this time 
period, that were talking about 

692
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,300
as well. 
So it's not like Indiana has 

693
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:01,700
been playing with a full deck. 
What did Mike Woodson? 

694
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:04,000
And his staff do over this 
break. 

695
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,200
If anything to change the way 
that I you approaches things on 

696
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,300
offense if they did it. 
Changed nothing, maybe that will

697
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:13,200
work out, but I have my 
concerns. 

698
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,400
But yeah, I mean look, if you're
going to catch Iowa, this is 

699
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,800
probably the best time to catch 
Iowa because they look 

700
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,700
completely lost right now. 
Now, that is rarely ever 

701
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:27,000
translated over because it's 
like whatever state a team is in

702
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:30,500
IU, seems to always wake them up
and that's very frustrating. 

703
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,800
But yeah, like I will lose the 
Penn State on the first and then

704
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,000
it's like they'll be despite 15 
and go on a five-game winning 

705
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,200
streak and it's like, yeah, we 
ended up catching up with the 

706
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,000
Wrong time, you didn't realize 
it. 

707
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,700
It is worth noting that with 
that loss to Nebraska, you know,

708
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,000
now Iowa is actually rated to 
lose the game. 

709
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,800
Day. 
Indiana at home on Ken Pon by a 

710
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,500
point. 
It's still very close but that 

711
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:56,100
was a projected win for Iowa for
quite a while. 

712
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:01,000
It's also worth noting. 
That Iowa will have played 32 

713
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,100
additional games. 
That Indiana will not have 

714
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:05,600
played leading into that. 
They have to travel to Penn 

715
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,100
State on New Year's Day. 
Then they play Indiana at home, 

716
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,600
that might be a good thing. 
Indiana gets a chance to get 

717
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,000
rested. 
They're going to come back. 

718
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,400
They're going to feel the 
disappointment that I think the 

719
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,800
fan base has felt in the way 
that they played in those two 

720
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,000
games leading into break, but 
they also might look at it and 

721
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,600
say, look at the end of it all, 
we won both games by double 

722
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,500
digits by about the margins that
we were supposed to win them by 

723
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:34,000
without our best player to 
without our two best players, we

724
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,300
didn't have traced Jackson 
Davis, we didn't have Xavier 

725
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:40,300
Johnson and yes, we Gold for 
moments but we got the job done.

726
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,100
That's a good basis upon which 
to go into the Big Ten season. 

727
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:46,600
I know that's not how fans feel 
about it, and maybe that's not 

728
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,100
how the team should feel about 
it. 

729
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,500
But if there's one thing I think
we've learned about IU 

730
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:55,700
basketball, IU, basketball needs
to have confidence in itself. 

731
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,100
If they're going to be 
successful in these types of 

732
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:03,100
games and anything that I, you 
can latch onto to say, look it's

733
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:05,300
easy to from the outside to look
at this and say this was 

734
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:07,600
disappointing. 
But the flip side is we did what

735
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,600
we had to do. 
Without key pieces. 

736
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,700
Now, we hopefully get to add 
some key pieces back and we have

737
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:17,200
a clear sense of who we are, and
what we need to be doing as a 

738
00:38:17,207 --> 00:38:19,600
program, that's my hope. 
I don't know if that's actually 

739
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,200
what's going to happen, but that
would be my hope in all of this 

740
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,900
one last point. 
And then I will go to football 

741
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:27,600
or I have one that's point. 
It is funny. 

742
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:30,900
This happens every year I love 
doing the preseason. 

743
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:33,700
Prognostications look at this 
schedule, but it is it's such 

744
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:37,300
Folly because you get to it now 
and you are hitting the first 

745
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:39,500
nine games, stretch there. 
Is a stretch there, from the 

746
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:44,100
January, 28 to February 21st, 
we're on Ken Palm. 

747
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:47,000
We are one, two, three, four, 
five, six. 

748
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,600
We're projected to win six of 
eight. 

749
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:51,700
But you look at that, stretch, 
I'll go through it. 

750
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,200
That's a possible stretch where 
it beginning of the year, it's 

751
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,600
like, oh my God, that's going to
be, you know, a brutal stretch. 

752
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:58,700
That could be an 8 and 0 
stretch. 

753
00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:01,600
Like there is a point there 
where we could actually struggle

754
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,200
coming out of the gate up until 
mid-January and then your home 

755
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,500
tool again, assuming all of our 
home games are going to be Very,

756
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:12,600
very good atmosphere is a tough 
place for opponents to play your

757
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,700
home to Ohio State. 
You're at Maryland, which that's

758
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:18,300
not super easy. 
But Marilyn's been a little bit 

759
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:21,000
up and down, as you said your 
home to Purdue produce, that's 

760
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,200
going to be a tough game, but 
your home home to Rutgers at 

761
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,400
Michigan, at Northwestern home 
to Illinois at Michigan State. 

762
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,000
I'm not saying any of those or, 
you know, total gimmes. 

763
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,300
But that's also a stretch where 
it's like, I could see us going 

764
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:36,300
seven and water ain't no. 
And so, that is a spot where you

765
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:39,100
could make some hay in the 
middle of the Where I think 

766
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:42,800
going into the season, kind of 
the, the basic thought was I go,

767
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,200
man, the schedule gets so hard 
at the end. 

768
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,400
It's like, well, it's actually a
spot there where I think based 

769
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,800
on home and away in the 
opponent's you could be looking 

770
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,200
at a 7018. 
No, stretch. 

771
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,200
If you can kind of get things 
humming so now and they probably

772
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,200
won't go that in that. 
Yes. 

773
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,600
But but the, but the point is 
Yes, again when the, when the 

774
00:39:59,607 --> 00:40:03,700
cards get dealt, everybody 
assumes a bunch of things and 

775
00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:06,200
then you have to re-evaluate 
what the deck looks like. 

776
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:10,500
Once you get more information 
and Ed, look, as it turns out, I

777
00:40:10,508 --> 00:40:12,400
don't know what to make of the 
Big Ten at this point. 

778
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,400
I really don't. 
I don't think anybody really 

779
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,400
does, you know, you can look at 
a high 0 state, whose 14th and 

780
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,800
Ken pom and yet, you know, Ohio,
State should have lost her 

781
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,800
Rutgers that game got gifted to 
them. 

782
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,900
Their next Beck's, win was a 
neutral Court Victory against 

783
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:30,900
the Texas texting. 
That was absolutely reeling, and

784
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:32,500
they really do anything else on 
their resume. 

785
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,300
Yeah, it's Kalama. 
And, you know, you look at 

786
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:40,500
Wisconsin Wisconsin's, 2 and 0. 
No in the conference but one of 

787
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:44,300
those was an overtime win at 
Iowa and the other one was 

788
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,400
Maryland at home and the rest of
their schedule is essentially 

789
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,300
kind of schlocky. 
Yes, they have an overtime win 

790
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:53,100
versus Marquette. 
Who's been very up and down, are

791
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:55,400
they actually good? 
I don't entirely know. 

792
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,700
They lost at home to Wake 
Forest, who's not a very good 

793
00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:03,600
basketball team. 
So the point being we really, I 

794
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,500
think the Big Ten at this stage 
is kind of leveling off. 

795
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:09,900
I think a lot of Early returns 
that look positive for the 

796
00:41:09,908 --> 00:41:11,600
conference have been to some 
degree. 

797
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,800
Supplanted by less positive 
returns in games that have 

798
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,200
happened since December 1st for 
a lot of teams. 

799
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:23,200
And a lot of what we thought 
might be tournament caliber may 

800
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,700
be protected. 
Seed caliber teams are sinking 

801
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:29,600
back into the pack. 
I still like Indiana's chances 

802
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,600
against most of those teams, but
it's going to take Indiana 

803
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,400
playing more consistently on 
both sides of the of the ball or

804
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,900
both ends of the Court. 
Court, I guess. 

805
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:42,100
But and it's going to take 
Indiana trying to figure out how

806
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:43,800
to play through a freshman point
guard. 

807
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,300
When they thought they were 
going to be playing through a 

808
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:49,200
senior point guard, and that 
will be a big adaptation. 

809
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:52,500
So, yeah, it's a really 
fascinating conference. 

810
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,300
And I, you know, you look at the
projections right now produce 

811
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:57,600
projected at 15 and 5 on Ken 
palm. 

812
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,100
And then there's a bunch of 
teams at 12 and 8. 

813
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:03,500
I think there's one, two, three,
four, five teams projected at 12

814
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:06,100
and 8. 
There's another three projected 

815
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:09,900
at 10 and 10, this is going to 
be a Ass like this conference is

816
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:13,500
going to be a bloodbath and I 
think you could lose, seven, 

817
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:17,000
eight, nine, even ten games in 
this conference and still be a 

818
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,200
pretty good team, certainly a 
team that could make it to a 

819
00:42:19,207 --> 00:42:23,100
sweet 16. 
So that's it's why I've yet to 

820
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:27,300
like fully mash the panic button
because I think this is 

821
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:29,900
Indiana's gonna have to grind a 
bunch of games out in the Big 

822
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:32,100
Ten as will. 
Everybody else in the conference

823
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,700
and who's left standing at the 
top, May largely depend on their

824
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:38,500
conference strength of schedule 
as opposed to necessarily Sara 

825
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:40,600
Lee, how good they are as an 
individual team? 

826
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,000
Yep. 
Yep. 

827
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:48,200
Anyway, real quick on the IU 
football front, you know, the, 

828
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,400
the big bunch of bunch of, good 
news, right? 

829
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,500
When they're about to send out 
renewals for season ticket. 

830
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:54,800
Yeah, I know, I mean, well, the 
big the biggest question right 

831
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,400
now, obviously, you know, some, 
some, some positives there been 

832
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,400
a couple of good players that 
have come through the transfer 

833
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,900
portal, you know, you've got a 
fifth-year defensive lineman, 

834
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:09,600
who was, you know, in Turn 
Michigan, it was like a second 

835
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,300
Team, all Mac / 2 player. 
You've got a couple of other 

836
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:15,800
players that have come through 
that that look like they might 

837
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:21,800
be somewhat intriguing but 
you've also got Some question 

838
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,700
marks I think in terms of like 
the players that are coming in, 

839
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:27,800
you know, if you got you have a 
DB from the Texas Longhorns. 

840
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,000
That looks good on paper but 
then you've got a couple of 

841
00:43:32,008 --> 00:43:36,000
giucose coming in and it's like 
I don't know what you provide 

842
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:38,400
necessarily or is this going to 
be an upgrade? 

843
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,800
You've got offers going out to 
there's an offer to a player at 

844
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,200
Austin Peay which is an FCS 
school, there was an offer to 

845
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,800
you know a player Liberty which 
is really not on the same. 

846
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:52,400
Level as Indiana in terms of 
overall talent. 

847
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:55,200
And I think the big question 
mark right now, is there still 

848
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,900
no quarterback? 
You still do not have a 

849
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:00,600
quarterback on the roster that 
you would look at and say that 

850
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,700
is your day one starter and 
that's a bit of a concern 

851
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:09,000
because you, you know, the 
number of options that are out 

852
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,600
in the transfer portal. 
Right now is starting to 

853
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,900
dwindle, Wisconsin just picked 
up or is about to pick up a 

854
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:17,100
starting quarterback transfer 
out of SMU. 

855
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:19,600
Illinois, just picked up a 
starting quarterback transfer. 

856
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Out of all Miss, Purdue 
obviously picked up. 

857
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,700
A starting quarterback transfer 
already. 

858
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:28,300
You've seen most of the other 
teams in the conference either. 

859
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:32,300
Bring back somebody who's going 
to be in that role or already be

860
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:34,000
set. 
Now, Indiana, still got some 

861
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,400
time and as was pointed out on 
Twitter basil, act didn't commit

862
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,400
until January of last year and 
he was a four-star prospect that

863
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,100
people thought was going to 
slide in and become the starter.

864
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:50,700
The problem is based upon what 
we heard out of Tom Allen 

865
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:53,300
towards the end of the year. 
They don't want a basil act 

866
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:55,600
style starter. 
They want like a specific person

867
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,100
that can both run and pass. 
There aren't that many of those 

868
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:01,000
folks out in the portal, the 
ones that are, there's a lot of 

869
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,500
competition for those those 
people to come in and and be 

870
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:06,500
starting. 
Quarterbacks, I think there's a 

871
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:09,100
lot of reason for concern right 
now because it doesn't appear. 

872
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,000
Indiana has a clear plan about 
what they're going to do, what 

873
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,900
they want to do. 
And this just seems like a 

874
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:17,900
continuation of themes that 
we've seen out of football over 

875
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:20,600
the course of well, really the 
last Few years. 

876
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,600
I'm going to take the negative 
side. 

877
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,500
This there's not a wait that 
wasn't the negative side. 

878
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:30,800
I thought I thought I was funny 
- there but all the stuff you 

879
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,100
started with your talk. 
You know. 

880
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,400
The other people were looking at
signing and it's like, none of 

881
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,900
that matters. 
Because in the end, every the 

882
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:40,100
last two years and multiple 
years at IU football, where were

883
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,800
we in November? 
It's like, hey, we have Dexter 

884
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,500
Williams our quarterback, he's 
not good enough. 

885
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:46,100
And it's like, that's, that's 
it. 

886
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:48,300
Like, if you don't have a 
quarterback, none of this 

887
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:50,900
matters. 
And the year before, you know, 

888
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:53,800
Penix gets hurt tuttle's. 
Not playing well then it's like 

889
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,600
we have done as McCully, he's 
not great at throwing, it's 

890
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,100
like, then it's like, we all 
just agree. 

891
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,300
If you don't have a quarterback,
you can't. 

892
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,100
You really can't compete. 
And so that is the most 

893
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:04,700
important position and then 
people who like, oh, we sign you

894
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:07,200
a base like as a four-star in 
January said, yeah, he didn't 

895
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,700
finish the season but he wasn't 
playing at the end of the year. 

896
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:14,400
So are we going to get somebody 
else in January who's not going 

897
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,200
to finish the season? 
And then we're stuck back in the

898
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,000
same spot. 
This should have been the a one 

899
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,000
number prime, number one with a 
bullet. 

900
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:23,800
Priority. 
It probably was I'm just not 

901
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,600
sure who they're able to get and
the trouble is we're going to be

902
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:31,400
we're going to talk ourselves 
into whoever it is and then 

903
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,200
we're going to be sitting here 
on a podcast in 

904
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,200
october-november. 
Being like, you know, but as 

905
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,800
pissed as we are that, you know,
we lost in Northwestern. 

906
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:41,600
What are you going to do, when 
you don't have a functional 

907
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,800
quarterback? 
There, it's like, you have to 

908
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,500
have a none of this other shit 
matters. 

909
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:48,400
Like all those other pieces, 
don't matter if you don't have a

910
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,900
quarterback and we don't have a 
plan to get a quarter. 

911
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,500
Back. 
Well, I don't know how they're 

912
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:56,700
going to. 
There is insensitive to path to 

913
00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:59,600
have a quarterback and 
unfortunately, you know, we had 

914
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,000
Dexter Williams who's passing 
numbers weren't ideal but it's, 

915
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:06,100
he's out and it is funny. 
You mention ideally, they don't 

916
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:09,100
want to bathe black type. 
They want, you know, they want a

917
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:11,500
guy who can run and throw, it's 
like, all right, well there's 

918
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:13,800
not a lot of guys, like Michael 
Vick out there in the Porto who 

919
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,000
are just waiting to come to 
Indiana. 

920
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,700
Like honestly, we're at a point 
as a program that we don't get 

921
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:21,600
to pick what we get, we get 
whatever wants to Gus. 

922
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,400
And then you build an offense 
around it. 

923
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,400
Like honestly, that's where we 
are at. 

924
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:27,600
We don't get to dictate what our
quarterback is. 

925
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,000
We kind of build it around that.
But yeah. 

926
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,200
It's it's there's not an answer 
to this. 

927
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:35,400
It's just tough because all this
other stuff is window dressing 

928
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,500
and we will be sitting here 
November talking about how you 

929
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,400
know, without a quarterback who 
can really throw and do 

930
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,800
anything, you know, we're, we're
stuck. 

931
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,600
We're stuck in the mud. 
So look, I do think that they 

932
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,300
are trying to get a quarterback.
I think there's there's There's 

933
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:54,600
a plan in, as much as we need to
get a starting quarterback. 

934
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,500
I think that's clear because 
there's just nobody. 

935
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:59,500
There's just, there's nobody on 
the roster that you would look 

936
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,200
at and say that's your starting 
quarterback and you have to have

937
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,200
that. 
But I we talked about this at 

938
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,600
the end of the season. 
It's a real tough sell. 

939
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,400
I think for any starting level 
quarterback to come to Indiana 

940
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:18,000
because what you've got is a an 
offensive line that Yes. 

941
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,600
Look, good. 
In some limited action towards 

942
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,000
the end of the season, when 
Indiana finally decided to put a

943
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,100
running quarterback out there, 
but then, you essentially didn't

944
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:28,000
have much in the way of a 
passing game to go. 

945
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,800
Along with that, you don't 
really have a whole lot in the 

946
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,800
receiving Corps. 
There's not skill position 

947
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,100
players that you would like to 
throw to. 

948
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:38,800
There's not and one of them just
transferred to Michigan. 

949
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,700
There is not offensive lineman 
that I'd feel comfortable 

950
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:44,000
standing behind as a starting 
quarterback. 

951
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,900
Whether I'm running behind them 
or dropping back to pass. 

952
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:51,100
And Indiana has essentially. 
Not. 

953
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:54,400
Served its transfer 
quarterbacks. 

954
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,900
Well, I think would be the most 
charitable that, a way that I 

955
00:48:56,908 --> 00:48:59,600
would put it if I'm Alan. 
I don't want base, like, giving 

956
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,200
a Yelp review on his writer. 
It's well, and it's not just 

957
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,600
basil. 
Like, it's also Jack Tuttle who,

958
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,500
yeah. 
You know, just transferred to be

959
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:09,700
a backup at Michigan during the 
last month. 

960
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:11,500
I mean, it wasn't like he 
transferred somewhere to be a 

961
00:49:11,508 --> 00:49:14,400
starter. 
And this is a guy who's a 

962
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,100
legacy. 
I you like Family Guy and so I 

963
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:20,200
do a bit of the portal for like 
two and a half years now. 

964
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,800
She put when he put his name in 
like Beginning of the Season? 

965
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,000
No, no. 
It was, it was like a month into

966
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,300
the season but no, it's a good 
point. 

967
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:27,900
It's like everybody looked at 
his stuff was like. 

968
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:32,000
Yeah. 
So it really, it just it's very 

969
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,000
concerning if you're, if you 
care about IU football and I 

970
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,700
know for a lot of people, it's 
more of just a passing fancy but

971
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:39,100
if you care about, are you 
football? 

972
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,000
It's not just that it's not an 
argument that he doesn't have a 

973
00:49:43,008 --> 00:49:45,800
plan for starting quarterback. 
It's that, that plan doesn't 

974
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,300
have any consistency. 
Like they went out specifically 

975
00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:51,300
last year and got a pocket 
passing quarterback and said, 

976
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:53,900
we're going to build our Fence 
around you and then they 

977
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:56,900
couldn't and this was a year 
after not being able to build a 

978
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,000
pocket, passing quarterback 
offense around the previous guy.

979
00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:05,500
And you know, and so it's like 
now it's like well we need a 

980
00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:10,000
running quarterback, okay? 
But you don't have a lot of the 

981
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,100
pieces in place necessarily to 
know like promise that person 

982
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:16,600
you're basically saying, hey, 
look at this game and a half or 

983
00:50:16,607 --> 00:50:19,700
this two games that we did this,
we're going to do the whole 

984
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:24,900
offense like that. 
I would be very, very cautious. 

985
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,200
If I was a player of coming into
that environment and I think 

986
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,000
that that's what we're seeing 
and we're concerns me is that 

987
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,600
most of Indiana's rivals or not 
Rivals. 

988
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,300
But teams they're going to have 
to play in the Big Ten whether 

989
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:40,000
that's Illinois or Purdue, you 
know? 

990
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,400
Or teams are going to be 
competing for for potential 

991
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,700
bowls. 
I know don't laugh. 

992
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:46,600
But like they're all finding 
quarterbacks, they're all 

993
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,400
plugging quarterbacks in and for
Indiana to be in this position 

994
00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:54,800
along with frankly, A pretty 
underwhelming hall in general in

995
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,900
the transfer portal and a lack 
of Player Development. 

996
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,100
Like what are you like? 
What's going on? 

997
00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:05,100
Where's this is also the other 
piece here. 

998
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:07,400
That is tough. 
It's like, we all say this. 

999
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,500
We all know. 
It's true. 

1000
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:12,000
We you and I say it Ad nauseam, 
and we run the just continue to 

1001
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,800
say it all the time, but it's 
like, you know, you're not going

1002
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,300
to make a change a head coach. 
You can't do what the buyouts to

1003
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:20,700
big great, but it still doesn't 
change the fact that like 

1004
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,300
everyone kind of knows that 
unless things really turn 

1005
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:25,200
around. 
You probably have a 23-year 

1006
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,300
lame-duck coach period. 
Like, that's also really tough 

1007
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:30,600
to then get Guys to come, it's 
like hey, do you want to come 

1008
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,300
play for? 
A guy who may be gone in a year 

1009
00:51:33,308 --> 00:51:36,300
or two like pediatric root 
against that? 

1010
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:41,100
And it's like so the fact that 
as you know the IU, you know, 

1011
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:43,500
Dawson's letting this kind of 
just sit out there for two or 

1012
00:51:43,508 --> 00:51:45,400
three years. 
That's also a problem in getting

1013
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,100
guys here because like, do I 
want to come play for a coach 

1014
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,600
who's basically dead man? 
Walking for two years, not 

1015
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,800
saying he can still turn it 
around, but it's like that's 

1016
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,100
another piece that makes it hard
and it because we all agree, 

1017
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:58,700
it's not going to happen, but 
it's like that still doesn't 

1018
00:51:58,700 --> 00:51:59,900
change. 
Is the reality that everybody's 

1019
00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:01,200
like, hey man, why do you want 
to go there? 

1020
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:04,100
And look, I mean, this might 
sound like it's harsh but it 

1021
00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:05,700
shows in the National recruiting
rankings. 

1022
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:10,900
I mean, Alan and his staff had 
to scramble to get the 68th 

1023
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:13,500
ranked recruiting class for 
2023. 

1024
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,400
I mean, there were there was a 
period there where it was down 

1025
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,400
in the 80s or 90s. 
According to most of the 

1026
00:52:18,408 --> 00:52:21,400
recruiting services and they 
they give them credit. 

1027
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,300
They picked up some recruits at 
the tail end of things. 

1028
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:28,300
And now the class is rated 68, 
it's still 14th in the Big Ten, 

1029
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:30,800
it is Dead last in the 
conference. 

1030
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,500
And last year, it was fifth. 
That's a real problem. 

1031
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:41,900
And that is a an unsustainable 
trajectory for the program. 

1032
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,700
One of many other unsustainable 
elements of that trajectory. 

1033
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:48,900
So anyway, just was worth 
mentioning and know it sounds 

1034
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:52,800
Doom and Gloom but it's more. 
Its legitimate concern because 

1035
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:55,600
you're gonna have to Patchwork 
something together and try to 

1036
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,800
get yourself back into a 
position where you know, you're 

1037
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,400
winning six. 
Games and in position to qualify

1038
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,400
for a bowl and it certainly 
doesn't look like that 

1039
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,000
groundworks being laid right now
for 2023. 

1040
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,000
And the last thing I'll say 
about the quarterback and again 

1041
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,400
I uh nits not like they're not 
working on it or not trying but 

1042
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,900
the other frustrating part is 
that we're sitting here. 

1043
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:18,800
You know so many guys now are 
going into the portal kind of 

1044
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,000
already having their school 
selected like I'm hearing these 

1045
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,200
reports of guys like in the 
portal, they put their name in. 

1046
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,800
Like don't contact me because 
like they already know where 

1047
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,600
they're going and so you know, 
this is where I do really. 

1048
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,200
Lee. 
I'm concerned with how Indiana 

1049
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,200
seems to be handling the portal 
because you look at other teams 

1050
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,400
in the conference, like, 
Michigan, Michigan State. 

1051
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,200
So, it seems like they're just, 
you know, day one, the portal 

1052
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,000
opens, they're grabbing five or 
six guys, like, getting guys for

1053
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,800
the portal for next year starts.
Now, like the fact that we're 

1054
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,100
still scrambling for a 
quarterback. 

1055
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:48,200
This year, it's like you've kind
of already lost. 

1056
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:53,300
Like people are already working 
on the 2023 and 2024 portal that

1057
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:56,500
the fact that it seems like 
we're not quarterback, was the 

1058
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:59,200
number one issue, not that I'm 
saying there was Do they could 

1059
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,900
have gotten but the fact they 
didn't get somebody the first, 

1060
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:03,700
you know, two hours. 
To two days. 

1061
00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:06,700
The portal is open. 
Makes me concerned that either. 

1062
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:09,700
They weren't working hard enough
or more than likely. 

1063
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,100
There's probably wasn't a good 
fit there, and so now you're 

1064
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:14,200
scrambling to find it. 
But that's, that's the thing 

1065
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,500
with the portal that I think, 
you know, a lot of people don't 

1066
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:18,700
fully understand is, it's not 
like, oh, it opens up. 

1067
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,800
I'm going to look at my options,
like a lot of times. 

1068
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,500
Hey, guess what things are dirty
in the NCAA of people aren't 

1069
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:25,500
following the rules. 
Like, the portal stuff is 

1070
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:28,400
already done in cor. 
The time the portal opens, guys 

1071
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,100
know. 
They want to go the recruiting 

1072
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:32,700
is already happened. 
Well and I was less concerned 

1073
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:35,800
about it before Wisconsin and 
Illinois picked up quarterbacks 

1074
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,300
this week. 
And now it's like it's 

1075
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:38,700
officially time to be a little 
bit concerned. 

1076
00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:40,500
Anyway, that'll wrap it up for 
us. 

1077
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:42,100
Yep, we'll be back in the new 
year. 

1078
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,800
Will definitely be around a 
recap that Iowa game after it 

1079
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,000
happens. 
We'll probably have some other 

1080
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,200
podcast content coming up. 
Be sure to tune into the women's

1081
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,700
basketball show with Amanda 
Foster. 

1082
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:53,700
That's every Tuesday here on 
Crimson cast for Scott. 

1083
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:56,200
I'm Galen, thanks for listening,
folks. 

1084
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,700
Thanks to our friends at home. 
Field, will catch you on the 

1085
00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:00,200
Flip side. 
Bring back the Bison. 

1086
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,500
Happy New Year so long, 
everybody. 

1087
00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:00,200
Flip side. 
Bring back the Bison. 

1088
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,500
Happy New Year so long, 
everybody.