1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,000 You're listening to the back home network presented by home 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:19,300 field apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cask ale 3 00:00:19,300 --> 00:00:21,600 include a video here. Hope you folks are having a good 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,700 week. It is Thursday, the 24th of 5 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:30,200 March of the Year 2022. Lot going on and I you land. 6 00:00:30,700 --> 00:00:34,700 We've had some surprising news on the coaching front as you 7 00:00:34,700 --> 00:00:38,800 probably learned yesterday and if you listen to me and the 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,000 assembly call crew on assembly called radio. 9 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Last night. You probably got a big dose of 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,100 that. We're going to talk more about 11 00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:46,000 that today. We're also going to talk about 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,700 Christian Lander leaving IU. 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It's a great deal Holyfield. 34 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:51,600 Apparel.com go, check them out right now. 35 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,500 All right, as promised Zach, Osterman Insider for the Indy 36 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:59,600 star covering IU, basketball and football joining us here. 37 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,700 Once again, like it's been a while. 38 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,600 How are you doing? It has been a while. 39 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:10,300 I'm recovering from what was an eventful into the season, and 40 00:02:10,300 --> 00:02:15,800 they particularly eventful trip home from Portland via Denver 41 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:21,400 with some unexpected, unexpected strandings in between you. 42 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,800 It it felt like that was the cursed trip out for a lot of 43 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,900 people. I know I've seeing on social 44 00:02:26,900 --> 00:02:29,300 media. I think the Leo family ended up 45 00:02:29,300 --> 00:02:32,000 in like six different. He's on their way, back from 46 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,300 Portland. So I'm glad you finally made it 47 00:02:34,300 --> 00:02:35,600 back. I was getting concerned. 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:43,700 I mean it was it was not necessarily basically, I my 49 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:47,900 flights out of Portland were delayed heavily on the Friday 50 00:02:47,900 --> 00:02:51,700 and I came to find the realize that he was because the plane 51 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:55,500 that was supposed to come into Portland to take me and whoever 52 00:02:55,500 --> 00:03:01,100 else was on that flight out to Denver had To make an emergency 53 00:03:01,100 --> 00:03:04,200 landing in Amarillo. It took off from Houston and 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,500 there was smoke in the cabin. And so they had to put down and 55 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:09,500 then obviously United had to send them another plane. 56 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:12,600 Which, you know, I'd rather wait seven hours than be the guy that 57 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,400 gets the smoke in the cabin I suppose. 58 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:20,000 But that it's about a four and a half hour nap overnight at an 59 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,200 airport hotel in Denver's. Peace. 60 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,800 Well, it's it's always kind of definitely bagging. 61 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,400 Denver to of course. I've tracked or their worst 62 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,900 places to go. Oh, to cover tournament games 63 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:35,200 than Portland, from a travel perspective that you've 64 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,100 experienced. It's very hard to get there. 65 00:03:37,100 --> 00:03:39,600 I know I was talking to and I swear, I'm not name-dropping. 66 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,200 You just told me this. Michael Lewis said that when he 67 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,100 worked at Butler, they were recruiting a kid out in Oregon. 68 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,900 At one time. I saw him out there because UCLA 69 00:03:48,900 --> 00:03:51,100 was out there and he said there used to be a direct from India 70 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:54,900 to Portland as he flew it a couple times to make recruiting 71 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:57,600 trips. But if it still exists, I know 72 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,600 there's a direct Seattle. I know there's a direct San 73 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,900 Francisco. So we toyed with driving to 74 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:06,600 Seattle, the day after the game, to get the direct that of 75 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,100 Sea-Tac. But I, we weren't confident that 76 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:12,400 the basically, the rental car place is would open up early 77 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,800 enough for us to get a car, to drive to Seattle and then my 78 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,000 other option. Flying back. 79 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,000 When everything melted down was to fly, I think from Portland to 80 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,800 San Francisco and then take the red-eye from San Francisco, 81 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,800 which I've flown a couple times for different reasons. 82 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:33,100 That would have gotten me home six hours earlier, I suppose, 83 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:35,800 but I also would have had to sleep on flight, so which I 84 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,200 can't do. I'm not one of those people, 85 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,800 that's capable of sleeping sitting up. 86 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:41,300 So I'm with you. Yeah. 87 00:04:41,300 --> 00:04:42,000 Yeah. Yeah. 88 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,800 The Seattle route, Gracie Barra ended up doing that particular 89 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,000 one. So everybody had to find their 90 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,800 own way home. It was, it was an interesting 91 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,600 process to say the least. But anyway, glad you're back and 92 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,100 we got a lot to talk about here in a relatively short period of 93 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:58,100 time. I guess we need to start with 94 00:04:58,100 --> 00:05:01,600 the most recent news which Of course, popped up yesterday, 95 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,800 which was the announcement that Dane Fife is no longer going to 96 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,400 be an assistant coach with Indiana University men's 97 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,200 basketball. We got a statement from Mike 98 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,900 Woodson on this. We got a smaller statement from 99 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:20,400 Dane Fife and it felt like a lot of confusion from IU fans about 100 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:25,000 the fact that this is happening. So, you know, given what 101 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,100 occurred yesterday. What's your observation? 102 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:29,100 What's your take on? What is taking place over the 103 00:05:29,100 --> 00:05:34,700 last 24 hours? You know, I think and this is 104 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,300 one of those things that I think sounds pretentious who reporters 105 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:40,200 say it. And I don't have a ton of 106 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:45,500 details and a lot of this stuff tends to, I think get a lot more 107 00:05:45,500 --> 00:05:49,000 dramatized overdramatized in the aftermath and it really is. 108 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,300 There had been just some talk that you know, number one, that 109 00:05:55,300 --> 00:05:59,300 Dana Fife might want to be a head coaching candidate and a 110 00:05:59,300 --> 00:06:02,400 couple different stops now. That he could not that Indiana 111 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,100 needed to let him go for him to be a candidate. 112 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:08,100 But number one, that Fife was kind of looking a field. 113 00:06:08,100 --> 00:06:10,500 Possibly thinking about trying to be a head coach, which he 114 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:13,900 hasn't been since he went from IPFW to Michigan State. 115 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:15,800 I think what 11 years ago. That's right. 116 00:06:16,900 --> 00:06:20,000 And number two, just that for whatever reason things had not 117 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:26,200 quite gelled and you know, just work kind of perfectly within 118 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,800 that whole staff and I think again like You say that and you 119 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,800 know, we see this a lot. I remember talking to you about 120 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,400 like when Nick Sheridan was fired as offensive coordinator, 121 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,100 like everybody sort of wanting there to be a bad guy. 122 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:40,600 There doesn't have to be a bad guy like for it just to be 123 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:46,200 something where you know, it's just not it's not quite the 124 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,700 right fit for whatever different reason and you know, I do think 125 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:56,500 this is probably a little bit something that maybe reflects 126 00:06:56,500 --> 00:07:00,100 Mike Woodson's time in the NBA that you When you see a problem 127 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:03,000 on your staff, you just not problem, but that's the wrong 128 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,000 way to say it. But something that's not 129 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,300 functioning right on your staff. You just address it as quickly 130 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:10,200 as you can quite frankly. I think there were people that 131 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,100 rightly or wrongly felt like Archie Miller may be needed to 132 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:15,600 shake up his staff more often than he did in his four years in 133 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,600 Bloomington. So I think that it's just I 134 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:26,800 think it You know, not wanting to not wanting to assign sort of 135 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,600 basically blame in the sense that like I said, one person's 136 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,400 the good guy, one person's the bad guy. 137 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,400 This was just about I think and I think Mike was his statement, 138 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,800 you know, I mean if it was fairly pointed, I thought like 139 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,400 it was not a it was not just the sort of perfunctory and I'm 140 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,500 looking for it while we talked. It was not just the sort of 141 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:48,500 perfunctory, you know, we thank Dane for his work and look 142 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:49,800 forward to whatever. I mean it. 143 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,100 You know, he says, I'm committed to doing what I believe is best 144 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:55,200 for the continued growth of our men's basketball program. 145 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,400 Sometimes that commitment can result in some very difficult 146 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:58,900 decisions. And that is the case today. 147 00:07:58,900 --> 00:08:00,500 Ultimately. I believe that the fit must be 148 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:02,400 right with the coaching staff and I've decided that A change 149 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,500 is necessary. I mean, like it, you know, any 150 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:06,700 also goes on to say, you know, day in five will always be part 151 00:08:06,700 --> 00:08:08,900 of the Hoosier family and I wish him well in his future Pursuits, 152 00:08:08,900 --> 00:08:12,600 but like, you know, that doesn't leave a lot of ambiguity for the 153 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,800 idea that for whatever reason that relationship just wasn't 154 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:21,800 strong enough to be productive. And and again, if you know, Time 155 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,400 will tell whether decisions. Any decision that Mike Woodson 156 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,700 takes, is the right one or not. But at, very least. 157 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:31,900 I think you want someone in that position to be decisive. 158 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:34,100 And I think this is an example of him being decisive and 159 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:37,600 saying, you know, for reasons that Mike Woodson has said many 160 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,500 times what happens in the locker room stays in the locker room 161 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:41,799 for reasons that he's not going to discuss publicly. 162 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:45,300 Now, it's, you know, he's decided it's time to move on. 163 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:48,900 What's the problem in these sorts of situations too? 164 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:53,200 Because I think fans have gotten so used to feeling like they 165 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,900 know everything that's going on and feeling like there's, 166 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,600 there's got to be explanations for all of these things and it's 167 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,900 just probably not isn't nothing officials going to come out in 168 00:09:00,900 --> 00:09:03,500 any sort of a circumstance like this Bo. 169 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:08,400 But certainly, I think people are looking at this and perhaps. 170 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,500 I mean, there was a lot of talk and, you know, I think those of 171 00:09:11,500 --> 00:09:16,400 us who are close to the program or at least follow it closely. 172 00:09:16,700 --> 00:09:18,400 That this wasn't the case, but a lot of people had this 173 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,200 perception that fight was coming in as The Heir Apparent is, 174 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,500 okay, you know, here's a guy with X number of years of 175 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:28,900 coaching experience on the on the assistant side, who's just 176 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:32,100 going to take over at some point whenever Woodson and decides to 177 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:35,300 hang it up, but that really wasn't the case. 178 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:39,500 And it does feel like to some degree people's responses to 179 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:43,700 this in the IU fan base, you know, perhaps were a little more 180 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:44,800 polarized than they would have been. 181 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,500 Otherwise if it had been a different assistant. 182 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,300 Or somebody that didn't have the IU ties as well, as you know, 183 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:52,300 just kind of the overall marketing package coming in that 184 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:55,600 fight did. And I think like, like if it 185 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,000 first of all, it wasn't a former player, you know, I think 186 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,700 getting people would, you know, be a lot less put off in in 187 00:10:01,700 --> 00:10:05,100 nearly all cases. I think the other thing is like 188 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:07,700 a lot of people did and this includes in the media. 189 00:10:08,300 --> 00:10:11,000 So I'm not just saying oh this is just, you know, Dopey fans on 190 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:17,000 social media like this includes, you know, people in sort of You 191 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,200 know, my corner of the store if you want to say I think filled 192 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,800 in those gaps, in a way that no one really like Scott. 193 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,900 Dolson. Never even really suggested 194 00:10:28,900 --> 00:10:32,600 thing, Fife was like coaching waiting or heir-apparent. 195 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,000 Certainly Mike Woodson, I think. Probably would have taken 196 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,900 offense to the idea that he was just coming in for only a few 197 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:41,800 know. I think, Mike Woodson on the 198 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,000 things going to be the coach, to these 80. 199 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,900 But, you know, I think he, I think he feels like he's still 200 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:48,700 got a lot of years left, you know, kind of a lot of miles 201 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:52,000 left in himself, as a coach. And I think he would have taken 202 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,100 offense to the idea that basically, he was just coming in 203 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:57,300 to keep the seat warm for someone else, you know, Dana 204 00:10:57,300 --> 00:11:00,300 Fife never really liked. Doing five did not March him and 205 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:03,700 say, I'm here to be the head coach at Indiana and a few years 206 00:11:03,700 --> 00:11:07,300 time like that was That was something where I think other 207 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:10,500 people fill in those gaps. And, and, you know, you know, as 208 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:12,500 well as I do that. The problem is that sometimes, 209 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:15,800 you know, it can turn into a game of telephone where one 210 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,900 person assumes a thing. They tell someone else about 211 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:20,000 their assumption that person tells someone else about it. 212 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,900 Like it's opinion that person tell someone else about it. 213 00:11:21,908 --> 00:11:24,900 Like, it's fact and all of a sudden this this sort of 214 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:28,400 narrative is built that, you know, the next 20 years of IU 215 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,800 basketball are Mike, Woodson, you know, until he's ready to 216 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,300 retire. And then handing it off today 217 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:36,000 and five when not. Not that, I'm not saying that 218 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,100 couldn't have happened. I'm not saying that that wasn't 219 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:40,400 even something that occurred to Mike Woodson. 220 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,400 Her Scott, Dolson, or whoever when they were putting that 221 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,200 staff together last year, but it was nothing, that was ever, the 222 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,100 formal plan or really anything close to it. 223 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:53,300 And so you probably do get some of that. 224 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:55,400 And I mean like it, you know, I wouldn't have blamed then fight 225 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,800 for coming in and being like hey if I come in and do a good job 226 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,800 at, I could wind up in that situation. 227 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,200 I wind up with that opportunity. There's, you know, there's 228 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,900 absolutely nothing wrong with that either but it was never 229 00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:10,600 like Like he was never any ones. Laid out strategy. 230 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,900 And and so I think that a lot of that just kind of happened, 231 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:18,800 organically and when it, when it was something that got sort of, 232 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,500 you know, suddenly got some traction kind of in the, in the 233 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:26,600 Zeitgeist, you know, the IU basketball Zeitgeist, like it, 234 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:30,100 it sort of became like a it became something, everyone 235 00:12:30,100 --> 00:12:31,300 assumed. Yeah. 236 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:34,700 It was like, well, that's that's not really something any anyone 237 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:37,900 can assume rightly. Let's switch gears a little bit 238 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,100 to the other news. Came out yesterday, which was 239 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:43,100 the news that Christian Lander has entered the transfer portal. 240 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,400 Again. This is not a surprise. 241 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:49,700 I think anybody that's been observing things. 242 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,200 Christian Lander came in, very highly regarded, five-star 243 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,200 recruit. Reclassified had to really not 244 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,700 productive years at IU under two different coaches, a lot of 245 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:05,100 calls for him to play in the early and middle portions of the 246 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:09,300 Season that just kind of went on unheated and now we get this 247 00:13:09,300 --> 00:13:12,700 announcement. What's your overall evaluation? 248 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:15,300 Not just of the announcement that he's entering the portal 249 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:17,900 but I guess of the the whole Christian Lander experiment here 250 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:19,700 over the last couple of years for, Indiana. 251 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,900 Yeah, I mean it just never has taken off. 252 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,500 Last season, was tough for him. It was tough for a lot of 253 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:29,700 freshman. You know, he played in 26 of 254 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:33,600 Indiana's 27 games but you know without non-conference games 255 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,200 with such a chopped-up preseason, you know, I mean, I 256 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,300 think we've all had this point kind of heard horror stories 257 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:44,300 about athletes who were quarantined for weeks on end 258 00:13:44,300 --> 00:13:46,700 because like, you know, they live with two other athletes and 259 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:48,700 one of them got covid and everyone had to be quarantined 260 00:13:48,700 --> 00:13:51,000 and then you know, they got Covid. 261 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Never one had to be quarantined and then the third roommate. 262 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,500 And so that you had to go through the whole process of, 263 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:57,400 basically the entire apartment getting covid, or the entire 264 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,300 dorm room or whatever. And guys, just not being able to 265 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:02,400 leave for like three, four, five weeks. 266 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,500 Well, that's also time, you can't practice. 267 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:06,000 That's time. You can't condition that's time. 268 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,200 You can't work on things in the gym by yourself. 269 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:13,300 And I think last season was a really tough season for a player 270 00:14:13,300 --> 00:14:16,800 like Christian Lander and through, no, fault of his own at 271 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,700 all, to try and reclassify as a smaller. 272 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:23,600 I think under sized, but a smaller point guard. 273 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:28,800 And come into the Big Ten, just a lot of the time he would have 274 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,400 needed to make that adjust those physical adjustments and mental 275 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:37,100 adjustments was was kind of is robbed of it by just everything 276 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:40,300 that around covid-19 and the weirdness of the season and 277 00:14:40,300 --> 00:14:44,700 everything like that. I think that you know, 278 00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:48,400 ultimately we all kind of looked at Lander and said well, can he 279 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,100 be something else? Something more this season, you 280 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:54,600 know, but from the very beginning, I mean he didn't Much 281 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,700 at all in the Bahamas and and so it, you know, basically if that 282 00:14:59,700 --> 00:15:01,900 if that's the starting point of the season and publicly 283 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:05,000 certainly, it should be Israel, never really changed. 284 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,300 He only played in 13 of Indiana's. 35, regular season 285 00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:12,400 games this year of those thirteen six were in Indiana's 286 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,200 first seven. He only played more than 10 287 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,800 minutes in a game twice. And, you know, listen, I heard 288 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,200 all the calls for Christian Lander to get more play. 289 00:15:24,300 --> 00:15:26,300 In time it was something that came up regularly and our 290 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:28,200 postgame question and answer sessions. 291 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,500 It was something people would tweeted us and all that 292 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:32,900 different kind of stuff. And what I said all the time was 293 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,200 You know, if you look at his final numbers, his turnover rate 294 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,200 was close to 38 percent. It was above 38 percent and the 295 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,700 for conference games. He played it was 33.7% in the 70 296 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:49,200 R A+ V can Palm games. He appeared in that's what top 297 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,500 50 top 100. Yeah meteor a is top 50 to be is 298 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:56,300 50 to 100. He averaged six point five. 299 00:15:56,300 --> 00:15:59,300 Fouls committed per 40 minutes in four conference games. 300 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:04,700 That number was 9.6. Like that is And just in an 301 00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:08,600 eye-watering number, his turnover rate was actually 302 00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:09,900 resume. He's assist rate. 303 00:16:09,900 --> 00:16:12,500 Was actually slightly lower this season than it was last season. 304 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:14,900 He was a little bit better finishing in his fourth. 12, 305 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:17,200 from three. He was 10 of 19 on twos. 306 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,900 You felt like that weird just sort of funk that he got into 307 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:23,900 were like, he didn't make a two pointer until like the second or 308 00:16:23,908 --> 00:16:27,800 third to last game in the Big Ten season last year, you know, 309 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,800 that, that was an outlier. And I think he, you know, as he 310 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,600 gets wherever he went lands. Gets more minutes and gets to 311 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,300 use. More possessions will be a 312 00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:38,000 factor around the rim and I also still think there's a really 313 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,900 good offensive player. There is assist numbers aren't 314 00:16:39,900 --> 00:16:43,100 awful. They're just not good enough to 315 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:47,000 outweigh his issues with turnovers and fouls turnovers 316 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,200 and Pals were always what it felt like kept him on the bench 317 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,600 that in. You know, Mike Woodson just 318 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,800 didn't feel like compared to Rob fantasy compared to Xavier 319 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,000 Johnson. Even compared to like a sort of 320 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,800 secondary point guard. Liked real away. 321 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,600 He could trust Lander to to handle the ball without turning 322 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:07,099 it over and to defend Fend. Effectively, without fouling, I 323 00:17:07,099 --> 00:17:10,000 just I don't think anybody's really terribly surprised by 324 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,099 this. And again, I think I think a lot 325 00:17:12,099 --> 00:17:14,599 of this is just kind of bad luck for Lander in some ways. 326 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:19,599 Like if he had if he had stayed in his normal high school class 327 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:21,400 and coming to Indiana last summer. 328 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,099 I do wonder if things would be different for him. 329 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,500 But, you know, he does feel like more than most sort of an 330 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:35,400 uncommon casualty of All the things that made the day-to-day 331 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,800 practice of being a college basketball player, more 332 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:44,200 difficult in 2020, 2021, and it just never quite came together 333 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,300 for him. And with certainly the 334 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:47,400 possibility that, you know, if you're Indiana, you're going to 335 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,000 get Xavier Johnson and Rob fennessy back after the season 336 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,400 and at Jalen who Cioppino with Gabe cups and jukai Newton 337 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,900 coming in behind them. You know, it just again, I don't 338 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:00,200 think anybody's terribly surprised. 339 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,500 But yeah, it'll it'll be interesting. 340 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,800 See where Lander ends up landing on this transfer process. 341 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,400 Assuming he does indeed transfer which as you just mentioned I 342 00:18:10,408 --> 00:18:14,400 think is certainly more likely than not at this stage and 343 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,800 hopefully it's at a place where he can get the runway needed to 344 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,900 kind of get the development level up where it needs to be 345 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:22,600 and actually be able to contribute on a consistent 346 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,900 basis. So we'll, we'll see how that 347 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:26,400 plays out for. And there's certainly no 348 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,900 shortage of Landing spots out there and I am quite curious as 349 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:34,300 far as where he ends up. Let's switch gears a little bit 350 00:18:34,300 --> 00:18:37,300 more and kind of pull the lens out a little bit. 351 00:18:37,300 --> 00:18:43,800 So obviously this was a different kind of season for 352 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,200 Indiana and that they ended up in the NCAA tournament at the 353 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,400 end of it, but it was a season that had a similar kind of 354 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,900 template to what we've seen out of some of them were previous 355 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:56,500 vintages of IU basketball, where they start off fairly strongly 356 00:18:56,500 --> 00:19:00,400 and then go into a pretty negative Swoon. 357 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,400 In February the difference, being this Year that this team 358 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,700 did kind of pull out of it, particularly in the Big Ten 359 00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:07,700 tournament and then, you know, getting through the play-in 360 00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:10,000 game. When you look back at this 361 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,300 season. What's your overall evaluation 362 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:15,400 of how it went? Was it from a program 363 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:20,000 perspective successful and what sort of things stuck out to you, 364 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,700 either good or bad about the way that the season progressed for, 365 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:26,400 Indiana? I think there were a couple of 366 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,700 things that functionally deviated from the last, you 367 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:33,400 know, through four seasons, and I think they were, I think they 368 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,100 were important. I think they showed up in the 369 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:39,400 end. The primary one being that 370 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,900 Indiana, really I think did find a new level of competitiveness. 371 00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:47,700 Like they basically had two games this season where they 372 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:51,000 just never competed and that was something that happened. 373 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,900 If you go back and look at certain the last full season 374 00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:56,500 they played, which was the season when they still probably 375 00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:58,500 would have made the NCAA tournament in 2020. 376 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,300 There were still probably a half dozen or more games. 377 00:20:04,300 --> 00:20:07,000 You could go back to certainly on the road in Big Ten play in 378 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,600 particular that you can go back to and just say like they never 379 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,800 had a chance in that game, you know, from from the opening tip. 380 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,200 It was, you know, 7:36 at the second media timeout. 381 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,200 And you know, I mean even games where like they close the score, 382 00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:24,500 the close, the game late, and I'm kind of skipping over last 383 00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:28,200 season, just because it was, it was very weird last year. 384 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:30,600 But like, you know, they were down 17. 385 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,400 With 11:22 left in the second, half at Rutgers in the 2020 386 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:39,600 season, you know, they lost by 15 on the road at Penn State. 387 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,900 They were down by 20 with three minutes left in the second half 388 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:45,800 at that game. So, your excuse me in the second 389 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,300 half of that game. They were, I mean, frankly, 390 00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:52,700 nowhere near Michigan at any point in Archie, Miller's tenure 391 00:20:52,700 --> 00:20:54,200 and I'm not picking on our champion. 392 00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:56,700 I mean, that's that's the, that's the comparison, but we're 393 00:20:56,700 --> 00:21:00,600 using because that's that's the team that most closely. 394 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:03,200 Resembled this one in terms of playing front of fans, played a 395 00:21:03,208 --> 00:21:05,300 full schedule. But also, you know, some of the 396 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:08,000 same guys on the team Race Thompson, Rob fennessy Trace 397 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,600 Jackson Davis Etc. The only two games Indiana had 398 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,300 this season, where they just kind of just just could not hold 399 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:19,300 their own at all. We're Michigan at home, which 400 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:21,700 was their third game in seven days on the back of an 401 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,000 inevitable unavoidable. Emotional, letdown after Purdue, 402 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,100 and then st. Mary's, when it was very clear. 403 00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:30,200 Like, I don't know if I don't know, if this showed up your TV, 404 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,100 I can never tell. What shows up on TV in real 405 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:35,500 time? You could, I mean, you could 406 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,600 visibly see Indiana, like you see any other players, 407 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,500 recognizing what they were supposed to do and just not 408 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:44,800 being able to do it and it was just amazed five games in eight 409 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,400 days. And obviously that's not an 410 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,200 excuse for them. Like, the Counterpoint is put 411 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,200 yourself in a position where you don't need to play five 412 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,100 high-stress games. In eight days, just to get 413 00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:55,400 there, right? Deep Purdue on the road, beat 414 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,700 Ohio State on the road and you don't have to. 415 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:00,500 You can, you can lose to Illinois on the Friday, the big 416 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:01,800 day. Tournament, you're fine. 417 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,200 You don't even have to go play Wyoming. 418 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,100 You know, you're not even in the first four, you get the whole 419 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:08,300 rest, you know, some people wanted to compare Indiana to 420 00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:11,100 Notre Dame and it's like well, that's that's not really fair. 421 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:12,500 Irrespective of the fact. I think st. 422 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:14,700 Mary's is a better basketball team than Alabama Notre. 423 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:17,500 Dame only played one game in their conference tournament and 424 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:19,200 then they played well and then play the game on the Tuesday. 425 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,800 So they played two games in seven days before they played 426 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,300 Alabama, where as Indiana had played four games in seven days 427 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:27,600 before they played st. Mary's. 428 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:34,100 I do think that Indiana found a greater competitive level this 429 00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:37,600 season, both at home and certainly on the road, you know, 430 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,100 Wisconsin on the road. Yes. 431 00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:42,300 It's a collapsed but they were also up 20, Ohio State on the 432 00:22:42,300 --> 00:22:44,000 road. They absolutely had no business 433 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,600 should not have lost that game, but they were leading by four 434 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,900 with a minute 20 left. When could we have said that the 435 00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:53,000 season before two seasons before, you know, I think 436 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,400 everyone including me was surprised to see how competitive 437 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,900 they were in West Lafayette. Against a Purdue team that's 438 00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:01,200 flawed, but still as talented as any in the conference. 439 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:08,100 The flip side of that is it goes back to that whole thing about 440 00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:11,700 the way you lost the st. Mary's, you find a way to take 441 00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:14,800 that competitiveness and go up a step or two. 442 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,600 And when some of those games, then you don't have to put 443 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,700 yourself in such an extreme, you know, physical and emotional 444 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:25,400 situation in March. And then maybe you aren't just 445 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,400 exhausted. By the time you get to Thursday 446 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,300 the first week in the NCAA tournament. 447 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,200 And I think what followed that statistically was some of the 448 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,700 things that underpin this team success. 449 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:43,700 Really stayed very consistent across the course of the season. 450 00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:45,500 They had the best defense in the Big Ten. 451 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,800 It was a top 25 defense nationally that it was best in 452 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,200 the Big Ten. They were second best in the 453 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,400 conference in Big 10 games alone ineffective. 454 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:59,600 Go defense, they were fourth in opponent turnover percentage 455 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,800 there. Oh, they're overall turnover 456 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,100 percentage to opponent turnover percentage was very good. 457 00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:09,800 It was 17.5, opponent, turnover percentage, to 15.2 Indiana's, 458 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,400 turnover rate. They were top five in the 459 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,100 conference. And to point and three point 460 00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:16,300 defense. They were first in Block rate, 461 00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:20,400 and these were things that, like, we could see some of this 462 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,700 stuff shape up under Archie Miller, but then, it would em 463 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:25,600 away. As you know, as Seasons war on 464 00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:33,100 this was this team held tightly to its ability to defend 465 00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:37,500 through, you know, basically difficult situations. 466 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:40,100 No matter what was no matter what was happening, you know, no 467 00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:42,700 matter who they were facing where they were etcetera. 468 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:47,100 And I think that that's That's certainly evidence of the idea 469 00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:50,300 that sort of, you know, the underpinnings of my questions 470 00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:53,900 program are are sticking and guys are bought into them and 471 00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:55,100 they're staying bought into them. 472 00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:58,700 And even, you know, even when Indiana had lost five in a row 473 00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:00,500 in February and it looked like the season was completely 474 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:03,100 slipping away. They didn't let it, they came 475 00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:04,200 home. They took care of business 476 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,600 against Maryland. They took care of business on 477 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,900 the road against Minnesota. Maybe the worst game, they 478 00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:12,300 played in the last month of their season was at home to 479 00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:15,000 Rutgers and that's a three-point loss to an NCAA tournament team 480 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,800 like they You to win that game, but you know, what was the worst 481 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,600 game of the last month of their season, each of the previous 482 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,400 three years. It was probably a blowout loss 483 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,500 to someone. So I just think, I think, I 484 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:29,100 think this season did represent progress. 485 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:33,100 I think there are positives as, with anything, it only matters. 486 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:36,400 If it's built on like that, that will always be true. 487 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,200 But I do think that from Indiana's perspective, you did 488 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,400 see progress this Easton in ways that we're sort of Tangible and 489 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,000 intangible and a lot of that stuff, was interrelated, and I 490 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,800 think, I think you should. I think if I would have laid, 491 00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:57,200 you know, laid all of this out for you, at the beginning of the 492 00:25:57,208 --> 00:25:58,400 season. I would have said they have the 493 00:25:58,408 --> 00:26:01,100 best defense in the Big Ten in when 21 games and win an NCAA 494 00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:03,500 Tournament game, you know, they played in the semi-finals of the 495 00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:05,200 conference tournament. They break the losing streak to 496 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,500 Purdue. Is that a successful season for 497 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:08,800 you? Then? 498 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,400 I think the majority of Indiana fans would say yes in year one 499 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,300 under Mike Woodson, and obviously the journey there can 500 00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:18,200 be stressful and frustrating and different times for different 501 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,400 reasons, but I don't see how you can't see, you know that season 502 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,700 as a success. Then from here, it's just a 503 00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:27,100 question of how they build. Well that's going to be the 504 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:29,700 interesting thing because this team was certainly built around 505 00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:34,400 certain structures. You know, the primary one being 506 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,200 traced. Jackson Davis is the primary 507 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,700 Conduit on offense. Now, you did see Xavier Johnson 508 00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:43,500 at a step up and take a more prominent role in the offense as 509 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:44,800 time went along. But this was not a very good 510 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,700 offense for Indiana and it kind of did feel like a bit of a step 511 00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:51,500 back in some ways. Even from what they did last 512 00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:53,600 year. And that was not a Really good 513 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,500 offense either. You've got a very good chance 514 00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:58,600 and nobody knows for sure yet. But has a very good chance to 515 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,400 race Jackson Davis is going to move on. 516 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,400 And I guess my question for you is, are you do you see these 517 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,000 causes for concern in the way that I, you approached offense 518 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,200 this year that were more schematic or strategic based 519 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,800 versus Personnel, based. In other words is, are I use 520 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,700 offensive woes that have now really been there under two 521 00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:22,900 different coaches who have two very different styles. 522 00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:25,400 Are they, because of the Personnel set, that's there 523 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,000 right now? Or is it the way that Indiana is 524 00:27:27,008 --> 00:27:29,100 approaching the ball? On the offensive side of things? 525 00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:37,900 I mean, that is sort of a jury's out situation like there are 526 00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:40,500 ways in which Indiana, it was actually worse this season than 527 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:42,700 it was last season. It is worth saying that in Big 528 00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:44,300 10 games alone. They wind up, averaging, the 529 00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:49,300 exact same number of points per possession, 100 1.008 points per 530 00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:51,100 possession. Each of the last two seasons is 531 00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:54,400 what Indiana's finished with on an adjusted basis in Big Ten 532 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,600 play. I think you had, I think, I 533 00:27:58,608 --> 00:28:01,500 mean, I personally would be encouraged where an Indiana fan 534 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:05,600 to see. Mike Woodson's. 535 00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:10,000 You know, I think long-term what Mike Woodson wants to be really 536 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,700 underpin. His offense is ball screen 537 00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:15,600 actions, you know, pick-and-roll offense and everything that that 538 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,200 sort of spreads out from there. I mean, quite literally the way 539 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,000 you spread the floor off that stuff and what you do with it. 540 00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:27,100 I think it, you know, if I were an IU fan, I would be encouraged 541 00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:31,800 by how that evolved. And certainly the way like how 542 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:37,300 Clearly different. That was by March 1 then where 543 00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:41,900 it was January 1. Now, part of this is always 544 00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:44,600 going to be about how Mike Woodson adjusts to the fact that 545 00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:46,700 he can't keep his roster permanent. 546 00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:49,700 He can't say, I like you you're going to stay. 547 00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:52,300 You know, we're going to give you a two-year deal or whatever. 548 00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:54,600 We're going to, you know, you you found a roll here. 549 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,700 We're going to keep you around. There. 550 00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:00,900 Probably is sort of a wider. Question of like, how does ni L 551 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:02,500 affect someone like Choice Jackson Davis? 552 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:06,100 His decision, you know, if I've gotta say you could literally 553 00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:07,800 give somebody a two-year contract at me. 554 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:11,500 You know, you mean that is something that is going to be a 555 00:29:11,508 --> 00:29:14,600 factor for guys like that, that may be on the fringes of getting 556 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,200 drafted and it's sort of a question of do you want to chase 557 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,000 the to a deal? Do you want to go to Europe or 558 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,500 is the money? Good enough to stay in 559 00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:22,900 Bloomington to stay or not? Just in Blooming and just in 560 00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:24,900 general I'm talking about players like Trace Jackson 561 00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:31,200 Davis, not just him. You know, a lot of this. 562 00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:38,500 Just comes down to shooting the ball better and you know it we 563 00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:39,400 can break down. Why? 564 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,900 This team didn't shoot the ball. Well, but like we're kind of 565 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:48,900 past the point of It feels like we're sort of past the point of 566 00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:54,600 like saying, you know, oh, well, you know, this team can't shoot 567 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,000 because of this or this team, can't shoot. 568 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,500 But it's five straight years where Indiana has finished. 569 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,300 Well, outside the top 150 nationally, so, you know, you 570 00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:09,500 know substantially below the national average in three-point 571 00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:12,500 shooting. I don't have their numbers 572 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:18,100 immediately available, but I would be very surprised if 573 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:24,200 Indiana improved much at all. If at all on basically their 574 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,600 attempts per game, which was something we heard from Mike 575 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,000 Woodson, early in the year, you know, I want you guys to keep 576 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,500 shooting even if you're not making three days almost the 577 00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:36,000 kind of the idea and it made sense in Indiana, then kind of 578 00:30:36,008 --> 00:30:39,300 got away from it of even if we're not going to hit a bunch 579 00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:42,000 of Threes every night, if we take a bunch of them, 580 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,100 eventually, enough of them will go in that defense will have to 581 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:48,700 That word the currently do that never really happened. 582 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,600 You know, I guess what I'm trying to get at is ultimately 583 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,200 everything makes a lot more sense. 584 00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:00,400 If Indiana can just find a way to start hitting some threes can 585 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,900 get up to 35% in conference play as a, you know, in three-point 586 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:09,700 shooting and like I mean, 35% Indiana finished. 587 00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:13,900 I'm looking at the numbers right now in conference play alone, 588 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:18,600 Indiana finished 13th. Only, surprisingly Wisconsin was 589 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,200 lower in team, three-point shooting percentage in 590 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,400 conference play alone. If Indiana shot 35 percent from 591 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,600 three, they would have finished eighth. 592 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,600 Like they would have been dead middle of the conference. 593 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,200 They would have been one person, one tenth of a percentage Point 594 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,700 behind, Illinois, which was a really good 3-point shooting 595 00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:35,800 team. By the way, had a lot of really 596 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,300 good 3-point shooters. And still as a team in 597 00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:43,300 conference, my only shot 35.1% but like if Indiana hits four 598 00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:46,300 percent, more of its 3s, or even three and a half percent more of 599 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:49,800 its threes, probably wins three or four more games and just 600 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,400 like, if you look at shock quality metrics, or if you just 601 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,500 watch it with your own eyes and you just charged things as you 602 00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,400 watch him just like Archie, Miller's offense, which people 603 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,200 complain about endlessly. The offense made open shots that 604 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,700 either players were hesitant to take or they couldn't make 605 00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:09,300 consistently enough. You find a way to get guys who 606 00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:12,300 make those shots more often to the tune of like three more 607 00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:16,600 threes, a game, which is, is certainly the bare minimum of 608 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,900 where Indiana needs to be, if it wants to compete for Big Ten, 609 00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:22,200 titles consistently and we're a program that can recruit the way 610 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,600 Indiana can recruit probably should be, you know, three more 611 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,700 threes per game. And this team is wins 24 games, 612 00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:32,000 20, maybe even 25 games. And then we're saying, wow, that 613 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,400 was a resoundingly successful season and my point is all this 614 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,500 stuff is interrelated. You can't just say well trained. 615 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,900 Davis is important. You can throw him away as long 616 00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:44,000 as you can make shots, but like, you can probably survive, Trace 617 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,500 Jackson. Davis has departure with a 618 00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:50,800 lesser big, man in the post. If you have two or three more 619 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,300 guys that are three-point threats. 620 00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:56,700 It's just about how you evolve. And again, it was not 621 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,700 necessarily A statistically successful on offenses was on 622 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:02,600 defense. I think you saw Indiana really 623 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,500 sort of embrace with Mike Woodson was trying to do 624 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,000 offensively by the end of the season. 625 00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:10,300 Now, what you need is to just up the talent level of the skill 626 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:13,900 level to the point. That that often swin. 627 00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:18,000 It produces those shots. Those shots fall more, often 628 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,400 every time, but more often in past years. 629 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,400 This is where I would ask you. Well, you know, how does I you 630 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,300 improve the roster over the course of the summer? 631 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,800 And how do they develop certain guys with all the player 632 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,500 movement that we have? Now in college basketball. 633 00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:34,400 It's a very different type of equation. 634 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,800 So I guess the question I would ask you is. 635 00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:40,100 In whatever way you might be able to speculate. 636 00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:43,200 Given what you saw this year. What is Woodson? 637 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:47,400 Need to concentrate on in order to do what you just described, 638 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,500 which is up the talent level on the roster while maintaining 639 00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:54,700 some degree of continuity and building off of what they did so 640 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:59,600 far in this first season. I think I mean first of all it 641 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,900 is worth saying Indiana's. Got three freshmen to fit onto 642 00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:04,700 its roster before it. Does anything else. 643 00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:06,300 One of them obviously already has a place. 644 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:08,100 Now of Christian land or having left. 645 00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:11,699 You've still got two more you not thinking about it and like 646 00:34:11,699 --> 00:34:14,100 for like, but like, let's just say, you know, Christian land or 647 00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:15,000 left and down. Okay. 648 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000 So now Jalen Hood should be no has his spot. 649 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,100 It doesn't work that way, but I'm just, you know, thinking 650 00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:23,300 about it in a way that makes more sense, you know, is easier 651 00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:25,900 to organize in your mind. You got another Garden. 652 00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:27,699 CJ gun. You got a verse. 653 00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:30,000 Go forward and Caleb banks, that I think is better than people 654 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,600 realize. I think he also might need a 655 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,800 little time, but I think he has the potential to be a really 656 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,699 really good player. Like I compared him a little bit 657 00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:37,800 to do on Morgan when I saw him and I don't love player 658 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,600 comparisons. But like I see a really 659 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,400 versatile forward there. That might just need 12 to 18 660 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,800 months to really kind of figure out. 661 00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:48,800 This is how I need to be this tough strong. 662 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,000 I need to be at the college level. 663 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,900 This is how I got this. This diverse array of gifts. 664 00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:56,199 This is how I get the most out of all of them. 665 00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:00,600 But I think he can be a really good player long-term. 666 00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:05,600 I think from there. And obviously, as you said there 667 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,600 will always be an inherent sort of lack of clarity because of 668 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,000 the portal in the one-time, transfer exception, how easy it 669 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,300 is for people to move from there. 670 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:17,100 I think the next question you have to sort out is the post. 671 00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,500 Like, I literally talk to Peyton Sparks, who averaged 13 and a 672 00:35:19,508 --> 00:35:21,900 half points in eight and a half rebounds per game for ball. 673 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:24,600 State is a freshman, the season, he was Mac freshman of the Year 674 00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:26,600 Ball State fired, their head coach. 675 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,200 Now, paid Sparks is in the transfer portal. 676 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,800 He's here, in from West. Virginia is here, in from 677 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,500 Loyola. He's hearing from Cincinnati and 678 00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:37,100 he's hearing from Indiana. And he's from Indiana, and I 679 00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:39,500 think at least to some extent, I want to put words in his mouth. 680 00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:41,000 I think at least, to some extent, he grew up in. 681 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,600 Are you fan Indiana's? Message is basically, you know, 682 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,700 we want to be involved. We, you know, keep us in touch, 683 00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:51,400 keep us in your plans. We are still figuring out what 684 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,500 our guys are doing in the post. If you get one appraised Jackson 685 00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:59,400 Davis, erase Thompson Mac. You know, as long as you don't 686 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,600 have an exodus of your reserve, bigs guys, like Logan dunk on 687 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,700 Michael dirr. Well, then maybe you just say, 688 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:06,900 okay. Well, slot Jordan Geronimo in at 689 00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:09,400 the, for, we'll play it. Maybe it's let's let's say. 690 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,300 Trace Jackson Davis leaves, but race Thompson. 691 00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:13,200 Elects to takes the extra year. I'm just making this up. 692 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,600 This is not me speaking with inside knowledge. 693 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:18,800 You know, if you're Indiana, you might look at that and say hey, 694 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,400 we'll play a little smaller and will give up a little bit of Rim 695 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,300 protection, but we're going to be more athletic. 696 00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:25,000 And by the way, I actually don't think they give up that much 697 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,100 room protection because I think Jordan Geronimo could do a lot 698 00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:30,800 of the Sort of backside hunting, that train tracks and Davis. 699 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,600 Did he get a lot of his blocks, but you know, will be more 700 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,400 athletic in these areas or will be smaller in these areas or 701 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,500 again. Like we, you know, we'll have 702 00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:40,600 more guys in the for that we think can hit shots, whatever it 703 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,800 is, but I think that the Beyond fitting the three sign. 704 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,500 He's on to the roster. One of them has a spot now. 705 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:52,200 You need to figure out where you're at in the post and what 706 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,500 you need in the post because I am very much among those that 707 00:36:56,500 --> 00:37:00,300 thinks that you know, one of the one of the important Evolutions 708 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,800 from year one to year two, maybe even years two and three of Mike 709 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,500 Woodson's offense as it relates to the personally as right now 710 00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:11,700 is it's important to have good post play but I don't think this 711 00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:16,800 offense is going to be as healthy as it can be until you 712 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:22,300 are good enough in other areas. Making on the ball shot making 713 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,300 Etc, where you don't have to be so reliant on the ball, touching 714 00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:28,000 the post, and not just touching the post. 715 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,700 But like the idea that, every, every half-court possession 716 00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:34,900 needs to start with a really deliberate post up and then 717 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,400 Branch out from there that that doesn't stress a defense. 718 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,800 I mean, it does in the sense that racetrack and Davis is a 719 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,900 good player, but it doesn't the sense that it doesn't get bodies 720 00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:45,500 moving. It doesn't get the ball moving 721 00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:48,700 quickly enough at times. Sometimes it does and Trace 722 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:49,900 Jackson Davis. Race Thompson. 723 00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:53,400 Both got a lot better as pastors this year and that's important. 724 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,200 And you could see the way that the offense, you know, added 725 00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,800 layers. When Trace Jackson Davis was 726 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,400 suddenly confident making those skip passes to the corner to the 727 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,100 wing, but it's still could stand to be an offense. 728 00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:08,700 That's a little bit more guard driven in the way that it makes 729 00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:12,100 plays in the way that it sort of, you know, creates within 730 00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:13,600 possess half-court. Possessions. 731 00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:16,600 That's a bit of a tangent, forgive me. 732 00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:19,300 No, but the thing is, you still need. 733 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:22,700 Now really solid. Reliable number one in the post. 734 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,100 So you need to figure out if you have one or if you need to go 735 00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:27,600 get one. That's probably a portal 736 00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:30,700 situation. That is, that is probably more 737 00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:33,400 likely to be someone, like, Peyton Sparks out of the portal 738 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,000 than it is, you know, there just by this point in the the 739 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,800 recruiting calendar there just aren't a lot of impact bigs 740 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,200 around. They're incredibly valuable and 741 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,800 most of them have committed and or signed. 742 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:48,100 So it's probably a portal addition, whoever it is. 743 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,600 But you've got to be sure that you're going to have space for 744 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,700 that person. First. 745 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,900 You got to be sure that like okay race Thompson, this told us 746 00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:56,800 he's done. He's leaving. 747 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,800 He's you know, he's his IU, career is over, Trace Jackson, 748 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,600 Davis, same thing. And I think that's probably the 749 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,500 next question to to answer from there. 750 00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:10,200 Because I do think you have maybe a somewhat uncommon amount 751 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,200 of like, it very much. Feels Like You Can Count On 752 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,200 like, Jordan Geronimo tomorrow bait stray Galloway, Anthony Lee 753 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,700 all quite possibly Rob fantasy. You know, to some extent, even 754 00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:24,600 like Xavier Johnson, I mean did Johnson was players like maybe 755 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,200 he, maybe he declares at least just to go through the process 756 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,400 and get some feedback Etc. You have a solid nucleus. 757 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,700 There are guys that you can rely on between the guys that I just 758 00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:37,700 mentioned in your freshman, you need again a little bit more 759 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,000 organic attrition to fit the freshman in, if there's more 760 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,500 room after that, I'm guessing it's probably going to be big 761 00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:47,300 man related and you're going to have to figure out what you need 762 00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:47,900 to do. There. 763 00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:49,000 Does that create a problem though? 764 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,300 Because we Talk about the need for shooting and outside of 765 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,900 Xavier Johnson. That group that you just 766 00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:57,700 announced. That's there's not a whole lot 767 00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:00,600 of demonstrated outside shooting ability in that group. 768 00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:04,300 That's fair. And you know, I mean then maybe 769 00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:06,300 it's about a coaching staff earning its money. 770 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,700 Getting guys better at shooting. You know, I mean like an end it 771 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,400 I mean, look at it this way. If you could get robbed fantasy 772 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:18,500 to, let's say, Rob fantasy and Trey Galloway both come back. 773 00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:22,900 I'm just making this up right now, last season, Rob fantasy 774 00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:28,600 shot, 19 of 72, which is 26.4%, Roy Galloway shot, six of 28, 775 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,600 which is 21.4 percent from three. 776 00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:35,200 You know, what, if neither of those guys increase their volume 777 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,100 dramatically, but they both hit six percent more of their 778 00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,700 threes. Now, you wouldn't look at Trey, 779 00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:44,300 Galloway and say, my God. Great three-point shooter, but 780 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:51,800 if Trey Galloway shot 43's and hit, I don't know, 11 of them or 781 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,100 know, what would that be? Like, 12 of them? 782 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:57,100 That's not a great percentage. I think what is that? 783 00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,000 That somewhere around 30%? I can't do math. 784 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:00,900 Zack. What are you doing? 785 00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:05,800 I think it's somewhere around 30%, but like that, six more 786 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,700 threes for a team that 33 plus just like that. 787 00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:13,500 Six more threes for a team that lost A bunch of close games. 788 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:17,600 If Rob fennessy takes 83s next season. 789 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,000 He took 72 this season and he hits 25 of them that six more 790 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,500 threes. I just gave you 12 more 791 00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:27,900 three-pointers and like, That is effectively the difference. 792 00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:29,900 When it seemed that you 32 percent from three and a team 793 00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:34,000 that shoots 35 percent from three is like 12, 15, 18 3. 794 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,900 Jiggly, if you're not going to take a ton of them, right? 795 00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:39,200 So my point here is you need some volume Shooters. 796 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,400 You need like a Jordan Geronimo to take a step forward or you 797 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,400 need Miller cop to be more reliable. 798 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,300 Maybe CJ gun, or Jalen Hurd, Shafi, no, turns out to be a 799 00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:50,700 good volume shooter. And if there is an opening to go 800 00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:53,200 look for that player, either in high school recruiting or in the 801 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,600 portal, by all means take it, you know. if you have but like 802 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,700 my point, what I'm trying to say is Indiana. 121 games went to 803 00:42:02,707 --> 00:42:05,400 the semi-final of the Big Ten. Tournament won a game in the 804 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,600 NCAA tournament. While shooting 33.3% from behind 805 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,400 the three-point line 31.9% in conference play. 806 00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:17,400 Part of the solution to the problem can be taking a 22% 807 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,100 three-point shooter and making him a 30%. 808 00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:21,800 Three-point shooter, it the solution to the problem isn't 809 00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:27,100 always just taken a 35% guy and making him a 45 percent guy. 810 00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:30,300 It's great to have that player. But it's also great to take 811 00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:37,000 Miller cop from 36.1% 35.1%. In conference play up to, let's 812 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,100 say, 40 percent and 39% in conference play with the same 813 00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:42,500 number of attempts, or maybe even a couple more attempts. 814 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,900 My point is, you can get better for shooting the three, even if 815 00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:51,400 some guys averages are not as good as what you consider kind 816 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,200 of the national mean, if they're better than they were a season 817 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,000 ago. Because this team, obviously in 818 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,300 the right situations in the right moments. 819 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,700 This team is probably only about, I would say, 10 to 15, 820 00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:10,100 made threes away from like beating Syracuse, beating Penn 821 00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:15,100 State beating, Wisconsin once. We beating Ohio State or Purdue 822 00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:20,300 and I just turned to 20 and 21 and 14 team into a 25 and 10 823 00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:23,700 team. And with it without giving you 824 00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:26,100 Robert Horry, you know, that, you know, I mean without giving 825 00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:29,700 you Nick sighs lock to use a recent, Indiana and Sample, but 826 00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:34,500 by getting the guys, you have to shoot a little bit better. 827 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,400 That may have to be the solution and other people don't want to 828 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,500 hear that. And now I mean errors because 829 00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:43,600 you know, I think the kind of man you're well within your 830 00:43:43,607 --> 00:43:45,500 rights to look around fantasy and say, but it's been four 831 00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:47,700 years. Maybe this is just who he is. 832 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,100 But like if you're you know, this is this is the position in 833 00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:52,300 the end. It's coaching staff has created 834 00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:54,500 for itself. And again, maybe it got like CJ 835 00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:57,100 gun was a really good shooter in high school comes in and is 836 00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:00,000 immediately a 38 39 percent three-point shooter and you can 837 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,200 live with some of his physical deficiencies because he's only a 838 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,800 freshman or some of his deficiencies on the defensive 839 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,200 end, whatever it is because he's in Experienced but you know, 840 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,100 this is the position Indiana's put itself in. 841 00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:13,200 Yes, they'd love to have more three-point shooting, but like 842 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,100 the example I gave earlier, if you lose race and Trace, I think 843 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:19,600 you've got to start by going getting another volume post guy 844 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,000 first. Now, I think that's ultimately 845 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,500 what it comes down to what you said, a minute ago. 846 00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:27,600 If there's some trepidation on a part of IU fans, it's that they 847 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,300 just haven't seen that internal development of Shooters. 848 00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:34,000 Increasing their percentages effectively over the course of 849 00:44:34,008 --> 00:44:35,800 their careers. So new coaching staff. 850 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,800 Laughs and you did see a few improvements this year, 851 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,000 including Jordan Geronimo and race Thompson shooting from 852 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,300 outside, and they showed some level of proficiency. 853 00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:46,600 They hadn't before. So, it's not out of the 854 00:44:46,607 --> 00:44:49,100 question. I don't blame my you fans if 855 00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:53,100 they're going to hold their expectations on this, a bit 856 00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:55,200 until they see it, but that ultimately ends up being the 857 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,000 issue. So anyway, we're out of time. 858 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,100 Zach, Osterman from the Indy star. 859 00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:01,600 Great to talk to you again as always. 860 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,500 And we'll look forward to touching base. 861 00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:05,800 Maybe next month. Maybe, maybe. 862 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,000 Basketball. Maybe football. 863 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,700 Seems like there's going to be a decent amount of stuff to talk 864 00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:10,400 about with both of those programs. 865 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,900 Yeah, absolutely. Always fun to come and chat. 866 00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:14,300 Thanks for having me. Absolutely. 867 00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:15,600 Thanks to all you folks for tuning in. 868 00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:18,000 This is Crimson cast. I'm Galen klaviyo. 869 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,200 We will catch you. Folks on the flip side. 870 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,300 Bring back the Bison, so everybody.