1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,000 You're listening to the back home network presented by home 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:10,700 field. Apparel. 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,700 Welcome back to Crimson Cask ale and caviar joining you here. 4 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:27,800 Along the Scott Caulfield it is a Victorious, Sunday February, 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,300 fifth of the year. And 23, the Hoosiers. 6 00:00:31,700 --> 00:00:34,300 Pull off something they've never done in their history, which is 7 00:00:34,300 --> 00:00:38,700 vide, number one ranked for do team at home, and they do so by 8 00:00:38,700 --> 00:00:42,300 5:00 yesterday, tremendous seen one of the more exciting 9 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:44,800 environments that I've seen in Assembly Hall and long time. 10 00:00:45,300 --> 00:00:48,000 And I lost my voice as you can probably tell. 11 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,900 So you're going to get a very lower register Galen klaviyo 12 00:00:51,900 --> 00:00:56,100 during this podcast. Hopefully, hopefully it works 13 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:57,700 for you. Is that's about the best I can 14 00:00:57,700 --> 00:00:59,700 say. But anyway, Scott, good to see 15 00:00:59,700 --> 00:01:02,200 you. I got a chance to have lunch 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,099 together yesterday, it was a great start to what ended up 17 00:01:05,099 --> 00:01:08,200 being an amazing day. For a pair of IU fans that 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,600 happen to podcast on the team, didn't get a chance to see you 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,800 at the game. I got like captured by the Don 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,800 Fisher thing at halftime, and I was like that, that by the time 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,400 that ended it was like, oh crap, I don't didn't do my normal 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,900 rendezvous with Scott, I hope I'm and then we almost lost down 23 00:01:23,900 --> 00:01:25,900 the stretch. I'm like, I jinxed all of this, 24 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:29,200 my God, this is all my fault. So, thankfully that worked out, 25 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,600 but it's good. To see you again. 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,500 How you doing? Good to see you too. 27 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:34,800 Yeah, no II caught. The Don Fisher thing kind of 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,200 from the tunnel and then went down looked and see you there 29 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,900 and I still needed some time to kind of cool to get out and just 30 00:01:41,900 --> 00:01:44,400 kind of cool my head for a little bit and then and then get 31 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,900 back in. Now, it was yesterday was 32 00:01:46,900 --> 00:01:50,400 awesome. I mean, that's that's why I you 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,200 basketball has a hold on a lot of us. 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,200 That's why it has the fanbase. It does. 35 00:01:54,700 --> 00:01:57,900 I will say this, it was awesome getting out to see people you 36 00:01:57,900 --> 00:01:59,200 and I we could, we went to lunch. 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,500 It was kind of A great progression of a day we went 38 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:03,800 out. It's kind of a quiet place with 39 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,500 our friend Tony and Ronnie and his wife and then went to Yogi's 40 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:09,699 it's like art we step it up that we ramp it up and yogis was was 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,200 lit, Yogi's all over and there was like seven or eight. 42 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,200 People came up, came up to me at Yogi's. 43 00:02:16,700 --> 00:02:18,400 Who listen to the podcast? It's great. 44 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,600 Like I'm not going to dwell on it, but it is really nice and I 45 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,000 unfortunate was not able to go to switchyard afterwards, want 46 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,500 to get back and see the wife and kids just had been gone, you 47 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:31,300 know, coming out earlier just, you know, Want to be the fam, 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,500 but it's all. It's a guy, had this in Vegas to 49 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:37,200 his can take a minute. Like, it is really, always, very 50 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,600 nice to hear people who come in and just say, hey, we love the 51 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,100 pot. I'm sure people, there's people 52 00:02:42,100 --> 00:02:44,800 who don't, and hopefully, they don't listen or think they can 53 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,700 find other ways. But it's, it's really nice 54 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:49,100 because in a weird way like this, maybe this is life advice. 55 00:02:49,100 --> 00:02:53,700 I don't I don't check up much On Us online and we get we get some 56 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:56,200 good reaction on Twitter and all that but I don't go into other 57 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,800 forums. Like I just don't do much 58 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,500 searching for Crimson cast after you and I Do this. 59 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,500 Not because I don't care, just because I'm also not like, you 60 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:06,600 know, I don't do a lot of Google searching of myself like I use 61 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,000 Twitter just to pull out information. 62 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,600 I don't really. If you follow my Twitter 63 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,800 account, you know, I don't really get into the engaging 64 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,800 much. As there is a weird spot like, 65 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,200 will do these pods. I really enjoy it obviously. 66 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,500 And then it's like, it kind of, in my mind, goes out in The 67 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:20,900 Ether because I just, I go live my life and spend time with my 68 00:03:20,900 --> 00:03:22,700 kids and, you know, go to page two games. 69 00:03:22,700 --> 00:03:26,000 So it's like there's a weird part where weeks and months can 70 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,200 go by in a hub. Like is anybody even listen to 71 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,800 this? Like cause I don't actively 72 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:34,300 Really search the, the feedback. And so it is really nice. 73 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:35,800 We go out and be like, hey, I really enjoyed it. 74 00:03:35,808 --> 00:03:38,200 You I drove down and listen to it and it's like because because 75 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,800 I know how much I enjoy the podcasters that I listen to. 76 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,400 And so I just want to say, I really appreciate it for 77 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,600 everybody who listens everybody who comes out, everyone who says 78 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,600 something and yeah, Yogi's was lit. 79 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,700 It was great. And they went to the game. 80 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,500 And yeah, breaking news, we won. It was awesome. 81 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,300 No, it's Goose, quite an experience. 82 00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:57,900 And before we talk about that, just a reminder we're brought to 83 00:03:57,900 --> 00:04:02,100 you by home-field apparel here. 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All right, Scott, let's dig into 109 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,400 the game. I you came in, you know, it was 110 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,000 wild watching the betting line before this one started and As 111 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,600 we've talked about a lot, the betting line is essentially a 112 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:40,000 measure of public sentiment. You know, it's not it ends up 113 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,400 being very accurate in a lot of ways. 114 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:44,100 What was fascinating about? This one, I made me a little 115 00:05:44,100 --> 00:05:47,700 nervous was how the line started at Purdue - one and a half. 116 00:05:47,700 --> 00:05:51,100 And then it was Indiana, minus 1 or minus 1 and a half, and then 117 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:53,700 I went back to Purdue, then went back to Indiana again and I 118 00:05:53,707 --> 00:05:56,100 think it's settled. Indiana - one and a half. 119 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,500 Yeah, by the time, the game started which was interesting. 120 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:05,000 Um, and when the game actually got underway, you started to 121 00:06:05,008 --> 00:06:08,200 think, wow, I think Vegas actually really undersold, how 122 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,800 much Indiana might win because it was such a tremendous start 123 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,700 for Indiana. I don't know that I've seen them 124 00:06:15,700 --> 00:06:20,100 play that, well, offensively in the last four or five years. 125 00:06:20,100 --> 00:06:23,000 I mean, that stretch of time, basically the entire first half 126 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,200 to put 50 points on a Purdue team that Prides itself on 127 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:32,300 playing slow and to hit 60. 82% of the field goals that were 128 00:06:32,300 --> 00:06:34,500 attempted. I think, actually, with a couple 129 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:37,700 minutes left in the half, it was at 67 or 68 percent. 130 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,400 I mean, this Indiana team was absolutely locked in from the 131 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,400 get-go. They were getting contributions 132 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,800 across the board. They were doing a lot of things 133 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,100 to Purdue that we didn't think they were going to be able to 134 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:48,500 do. I mean, you, and I, when we 135 00:06:48,500 --> 00:06:51,100 talked on the preview podcast, we talked about how well, 136 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:53,700 they're not gonna be able to turn pro do over that Purdue at 137 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:55,700 12 turnovers. I think it was in the first half 138 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,400 ended up with 16 for the game. You know, oh, well then, you 139 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,500 know, they're going to not going to put Trace Jackson, Davis on 140 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:02,600 Zack, ET. Well, guess what? 141 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,400 They pushed Rick Jackson Davis. One sec ET but they really did a 142 00:07:06,407 --> 00:07:10,200 good job in that first half of making, it very hard for Purdue 143 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,700 to do what they like to do. And Purdue honestly was they 144 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:15,500 look like they were in danger just getting run out of the 145 00:07:15,500 --> 00:07:18,800 building in the first half. What was your reaction watching? 146 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,200 All of that do down for that first? 147 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,600 20 minutes? Yeah it was a great start. 148 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,400 I was sitting with Jared of assembly call which is awesome. 149 00:07:26,700 --> 00:07:29,500 And but yeah, the first I visited him like we won the 150 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:31,000 first five. Let's just keep winning 151 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,800 five-minute segments and then there's two moments you out of a 152 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,000 timeout, Purdue, inbounds the ball, Ed like kind of shoulders 153 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,500 into Jackson, Davis, get to foul and it was almost a moment of 154 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:45,700 like the Russians cut for me to Rocky for like he gets a fouls 155 00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:49,100 like, oh, we got he got a foul and then Purdue immediately took 156 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:51,500 him out and he played about as normal Madam. 157 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:53,400 Then it's not like amazing but it's because it's kind of 158 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,300 moment. Like, oh, like, we were up I 159 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:57,100 think like 11 or so at that point. 160 00:07:57,100 --> 00:08:00,700 However, 12 and it's like We we could stretch this like this is 161 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:05,900 we are now up 12 play well with Edie going to the bench and you 162 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:09,100 know I said the Jared a couple times to like and I mean this it 163 00:08:09,100 --> 00:08:13,700 all you know produce a very good team they never looked shook 164 00:08:13,700 --> 00:08:16,400 like you know a mid-major tea but I was like this is about as 165 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,600 shook as I think Purdue's ever going to look like their guards 166 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,300 didn't. They're both really Smith and 167 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:26,400 lawyer both really good but they were getting frazzled by the 168 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,200 pressure and then that that's true. 169 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,700 Reidy went out Purdue has had a really weird lineup out there 170 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:33,900 like that it was I could feel the Purdue. 171 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,000 It was as a fan of IU who gets very funky with like what are 172 00:08:37,008 --> 00:08:38,600 these lineups? And I have the same feeling in 173 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,900 the second half for IU, but it's like we were up by 12 or 13 and 174 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,200 Purdue had no Edie. And I think, you know, I think 175 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,600 Fletcher Warrior was on the bench, right? 176 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,100 Like, maybe Braden Smith on the bench, he was just a funky line 177 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:51,700 up. I'm like this is and I think the 178 00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:54,400 next time down Purdue me like tried to pass it to the wing and 179 00:08:54,408 --> 00:08:57,300 it went out of bounds and it's just like they they don't seem 180 00:08:57,300 --> 00:09:00,700 to have a plan. Here and I will say we're get to 181 00:09:00,708 --> 00:09:03,800 the second half like I knew Purdue was going to come back 182 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,300 like they are a steady team and again they never looked shook 183 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:09,700 but they look to shook, his produce going to but my one 184 00:09:09,700 --> 00:09:13,300 knock for any proof and listening is at that point where 185 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:17,000 we kind of extended the lead a little bit and kept it above 10. 186 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,800 And Edie was out like at their heart of hearts, this is what 187 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,800 scares every Purdue fan about the tournament is because there 188 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,600 are moments when he dies out in this team. 189 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,800 Looks pretty pedestrian. But no we we pushed it we ended 190 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,300 on a high but as Jared pointed out to me it's like it's like 191 00:09:34,300 --> 00:09:37,900 man, look like we almost won the game in the first half, we have 192 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:43,600 an 85% win probability, but then the second half came and we we 193 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,800 can get to that. Like we came out a little bit 194 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,800 flat assembly Halls, little bit flat and then Purdue just 195 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,000 started working their way back in. 196 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,800 But no, the start was, was simply went 12 one run. 197 00:09:53,900 --> 00:09:55,400 Yeah. I mean, that was exactly the 198 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,000 start you wanted to have. Yeah. 199 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,100 I mean it was, it was It's certainly one of those 200 00:09:59,100 --> 00:10:04,000 situations where Indiana, new and executed in a way where it's 201 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,000 like, we got to put our foot on the gas early on with this team. 202 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,200 And as much as this team got criticized early this season for 203 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,700 slow starts, you know, whether that was against Northwestern or 204 00:10:14,700 --> 00:10:16,600 whether that was against them, in any of the other teams that 205 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,000 we've talked about there have been some games in the season 206 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,100 where I us come out loaded for bear. 207 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:24,600 And, you know, this was one of those games. 208 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,800 The game at Iowa is one of those games and it's interesting 209 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,700 because I do think, as well as Indiana played, as you said, it 210 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:36,800 was clear that there was going to be a different style of play. 211 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,100 The dominated in the second half part of it. 212 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:42,300 I think, was that the, of course, because it's the Big 213 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:43,900 Ten. The officiating changed. 214 00:10:43,900 --> 00:10:48,500 I mean, in the first half weirdly, the more liberal 215 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,700 fouling calls, that were being whistled by the officials were 216 00:10:52,700 --> 00:10:55,700 helping Indiana a little bit, because Woodson did a really 217 00:10:55,700 --> 00:10:58,200 good job of rotating, who was out there. 218 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,700 And you know, continuing to put pressure on things, they were 219 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:06,100 dropping down, really heavily on Edie and making it hard for him 220 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:08,400 to get clean catches, or put the ball on the floor. 221 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,900 They were doing a good job of forcing bad entry passes. 222 00:11:11,700 --> 00:11:15,200 We also shot 83% for the line and produce shot 58 percent. 223 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,100 Well, you levitate like they were missing shots and they 224 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:19,200 weren't well, that's great. And look they were rattled. 225 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,700 And you know what I mean? Trace Jackson Davis mentioned in 226 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:24,900 the postgame press conference. That was the most electric crowd 227 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:27,000 that he's been in front of since he's been at IU. 228 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,700 And I agree that To me was a crowd that, you know, is right 229 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:35,100 up there with Michigan 2013. You know, there's a few other 230 00:11:35,100 --> 00:11:39,400 crowds that that compared and it's tough, you know, it's I 231 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:42,600 think of myself as an assembly hall Somali a sometimes, you 232 00:11:42,608 --> 00:11:45,900 know, where I can. I've tasted so many different 233 00:11:45,900 --> 00:11:48,600 vintages of assembly whole crowds, you know, from very 234 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,000 pedestrian games where the crowds just looking at their 235 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,700 phones to games like you had last night, and that was one of 236 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:59,100 the best vintages of Assembly Hall from a Neck, electricity 237 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:01,500 standpoint I've ever seen. And it was clear, that Purdue 238 00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:03,600 was rattled. It was also clear though. 239 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,100 That what Indiana did in the first half? 240 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,000 Offensively was not going to be sustainable. 241 00:12:10,300 --> 00:12:13,900 There was no way they were going to shoot over 60% from the field 242 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:18,100 and you know as it turned out the Purdue came out in that 243 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:21,200 second half and really do immediately was like look we're 244 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,400 going to re-establish what our identity is and that is we're 245 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,700 going to play through, Zack Edie. 246 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,900 We're going to figure out ways to get him the ball. 247 00:12:28,300 --> 00:12:31,900 We're going to punish you for essentially over playing and 248 00:12:31,900 --> 00:12:35,700 they also did some pretty subtle but I'll settle I guess maybe 249 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:38,100 the wrong word but some well-thought-out things on 250 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:42,300 defense you know Indiana got several baskets in the first 251 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:46,400 half on that action where Galloway would curl around at 252 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,400 the high post, get the basketball unimpeded in the 253 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,200 middle of the lane and you know shot a couple of Runners and had 254 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,500 a couple of nice passes out of that and crew just shut that out 255 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:59,100 entirely in the second half. It became such a Grind and 256 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:00,700 Indiana. And this is, you know, it's 257 00:13:00,700 --> 00:13:03,500 something that I'm not you can't criticize them for because they 258 00:13:03,500 --> 00:13:07,200 shot 40% from three but they basically stopped shooting 259 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,600 threes in the second half. Like it was like the perimeter 260 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,000 game just disappeared entirely because they were so desperately 261 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,200 trying to re-establish Trace Jackson Davis in the game and 262 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,600 that allowed Purdue to track back into it. 263 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,500 I didn't realize the Scott, but the last nine and a half minutes 264 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:26,500 of the game. It was two possessions like the 265 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:30,500 never got above two possessions. Spread but Purdue never LED in 266 00:13:30,500 --> 00:13:32,800 that whole time and never even tied. 267 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,300 So it's just a roller coaster down that entire second half the 268 00:13:36,300 --> 00:13:39,200 thing that I noticed. So we had, you know we sit kind 269 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,200 of right right near the end of one of the baskets. 270 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,600 And so we had cruel offense coming to us the first half and, 271 00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:48,800 you know, definitely the pressure that our guards were 272 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,100 putting on the Purdue guards was affecting the way they are able 273 00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:53,900 to get the ball to Edie. But Jackson Davis is also doing 274 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:58,800 a really good job of keep, not letting ET getting Exactly where 275 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,000 he wanted in the post. Although Edie is, I mean, you 276 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,600 know, not not gonna sit here and talk about 80 too much but he's 277 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,600 unlike almost any other player. I've seen it. 278 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,000 I let much like you. I do love to, I don't want to 279 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,100 give you the mantle of Assembly Hall, Somali. 280 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:16,200 I love that idea. I also feel like I got in the 281 00:14:16,208 --> 00:14:19,800 crowd well, and I have a good in say, I was the only Somali you 282 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,700 got multiple small EA's, you know, it's a great. 283 00:14:21,700 --> 00:14:23,500 It's a great take. I'm just very jealous. 284 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Pull that out. I'm not sure. 285 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,900 Either ZD is so He's so big but he is so good. 286 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:33,300 Actually, I'm not sure. I've seen somebody like that 287 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:36,800 size that skill level and Assembly Hall before it's wild. 288 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,900 He's amazingly good at getting position where he's not getting 289 00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:42,000 a three-second calling, or he's right on the edge of the lane, 290 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,600 but still really close. But you can see the pressure. 291 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,100 He puts on teams because in the second half, he's going away 292 00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:50,400 from us but it's like, he's getting slightly better 293 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,300 position. I was telling Jarrod like it, 294 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,100 it's not because we're not our pressure on the guards a little 295 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:59,500 bit was not quite at the level of It was but it's also it's 296 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:03,300 like this is tough for Jackson. Davis like you have a 7-foot for 297 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:06,200 290-pound guy leaning on you for 40 minutes. 298 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,800 Like at some point you're going to wear out and then it's like G 299 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:11,900 and you saw this, he saw them. Start moving like maybe race 300 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:13,800 played a little bit on either. Like they started his mission up 301 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,300 a little bit because it's like uni Jackson Davis to also be 302 00:15:16,308 --> 00:15:20,400 effective on the offensive end and like pushing ET around on, 303 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,000 you know, to make sure he doesn't start with the best 304 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,100 position like that wears you out after a time and it does put you 305 00:15:26,100 --> 00:15:27,700 in a very tough spot. I think. 306 00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:31,700 He did a very good job of getting great position early on, 307 00:15:31,700 --> 00:15:34,200 and it's just like, he's one of those dudes where it's like, 308 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,400 man, I'm watching the entire first half like Jackson Davis is 309 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,800 out playing ET and then you look up and it's like, ETS got 23 and 310 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,400 12 years like and it's like his stats just dwarf Jackson Davis. 311 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,200 It's like, I'm here watching the game and Jackson Davis is out 312 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,300 playing him, but yeah, you knew Purdue was going to chop it out. 313 00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:56,800 I thought reading austrians peace in the Indy star this 314 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,600 morning. He Had a great analogy of like 315 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,400 you know, Indiana was taking Purdue blow-by-blow, and it did 316 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,400 feel very much like a boxing match where in that second half 317 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:10,000 Purdue's coming back there. Taking blows like Indiana felt 318 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,500 like the boxer who's like, it's not fair that just try to hang 319 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:16,300 on because they made some shots back, but it's like, but you did 320 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:19,600 feel like this is you know, the other guys are starting to get 321 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,300 some power, starting to hit somebody shots. 322 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:24,500 It's like we can't let them have that killer shot and to your 323 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:26,300 point. I was saying this to, it's like, 324 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:29,400 I just thought, like, you cannot let Get the lead and Indiana's 325 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,500 credit they never did like Purdue never LED after the first 326 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:38,200 few know 10 seconds of the game and it felt like in in that game 327 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,000 had Purdue gotten the lead. It would have been harder to 328 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,900 close that out. I know what happened last year 329 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:45,700 where Purdue got the lead in the thinnest, he came back and hit 330 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:47,800 the shot and that was great and we might have done the same 331 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,900 thing but it did feel like it was nice that Indiana really 332 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:54,100 kind of there's only and I'm to be fair there was only one or 333 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:58,300 two possessions, I believe we're Purdue came down with into It 334 00:16:58,300 --> 00:17:02,000 was always like within four or five and I think only one or two 335 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,400 times. They came down, once they hit a 336 00:17:03,408 --> 00:17:07,700 three, they're taken the lead and and credit goes to Indiana. 337 00:17:07,700 --> 00:17:10,800 They made the plays they had to and you saw, I heard you guys in 338 00:17:10,808 --> 00:17:12,599 the postgame talk about Jalen's a jiffy. 339 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:17,099 No, I mean that is that's what it's like to have an MBA style 340 00:17:17,099 --> 00:17:21,500 player as your point guard, where he is able to create a 341 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:24,700 layup, a very tough layup but a layup completely out of thin 342 00:17:24,700 --> 00:17:27,300 air. He's he's the shot clocks 343 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:29,700 running out. Not much is going on. 344 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,900 He breaks a double team and gets to the rim and finishes. 345 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:35,000 That's unbelievable. It's interesting. 346 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,900 I mean, you think about it like one of the reasons why Indiana 347 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:41,500 was able to play so effectively against Purdue on on the 348 00:17:41,508 --> 00:17:46,000 defensive end of the floor, in the first half, is this was the 349 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,600 first game, it felt like maybe since the Rutgers game maybe 350 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,300 since the Ohio State game, where the size of the guards defending 351 00:17:54,300 --> 00:17:58,000 the perimeter against Purdue were able to make it difficult 352 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,800 to Get Ed the ball and well, you know where I think painter 353 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:07,200 deserves credit and where I think Edie deserves credit is in 354 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,400 the second half. Not only did they really focus 355 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,300 on getting him the ball and putting him in different 356 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:15,000 positions and, you know, essentially taking away some of 357 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,700 what Indiana was trying to do defensively in terms of denying 358 00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:23,100 entry passes, but they also started letting the guards drive 359 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:26,600 into the vacancy that was being left on the opposite side of the 360 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,900 lane, and Guards were able to hit some of those layups. 361 00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:32,000 I mean, it was it wasn't a lot of them. 362 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,900 But even when they missed them, it was essentially just like a 363 00:18:34,900 --> 00:18:36,500 past that happened to hit the rim. 364 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:40,400 Now, one of those was a goaltend that didn't get called on Zack, 365 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,200 ET, and that was a frustrating thing because, you know, he 366 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,400 goaltend Zone 1, he knocks the ball out of bounds, only for 367 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,500 Purdue to be given the ball inexplicably. 368 00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:52,000 There were a couple of other places like that but you know, 369 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,000 it said you brought something up that there was a lot of talk on 370 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,500 the Reddit last night on college basketball regarding He who 371 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:01,300 played better Ed? Or Trace Jackson Davis, and it's 372 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:05,200 tough because, look, I don't know how many opposing players 373 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,500 have come in and thrown a 33 and 18 up in Assembly Hall. 374 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,900 I mean, that's, that's an insane number, you know, three blocks 375 00:19:13,900 --> 00:19:19,200 on top of that, the only three blocks that Purdue had it's a 376 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,100 while. It's a very, it's a very good. 377 00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:23,100 And this is the thing. It's like Trace Jackson, Davis 378 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:25,900 and Zach EDR. Very different players in terms 379 00:19:25,900 --> 00:19:28,000 of what they have to do for their team. 380 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,700 Which makes it very difficult to try to effectively compare their 381 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:35,300 games. And you know, when I look at 382 00:19:35,308 --> 00:19:37,200 this, and I think Mike, Woodson actually hit the nail on the 383 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,600 head, it's like, look, these were two All American players 384 00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:44,000 that, you know, essentially played each other more or less 385 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,100 even and are, you know, I you Supporting Cast was slightly 386 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:48,600 better. But, you know, we think about 387 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,300 what Zaki does. That Katie is, is such a 388 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:57,900 security blanket for Purdue because you can very much 389 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:00,900 Utilize the throw it up at the rim and have him grab it because 390 00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:02,700 he's bigger than everybody else approach. 391 00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:04,100 And that's very hard to guard against. 392 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:08,800 He is he is the receiver Tres Jackson, Davis, a lot of times 393 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,300 is the receiver, but a lot of times is trying to also, or has 394 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:15,700 to be the facilitator, has to be the guy passing out of the post, 395 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,600 has to be the guy that resets the offense as opposed to being 396 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,300 the place where it's always going to go. 397 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:26,100 And that is, I think a really interesting thing, because when 398 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:28,800 you talk about like who's the, who's the And Player of the 399 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:33,500 Year. Evie is, if Purdue didn't have 400 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:36,400 Ed, they would not really exist as a team this year. 401 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,200 I mean, there's a lot about that team that really wouldn't work, 402 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,000 but you can say the same about Trace Jackson Davis. 403 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,500 I mean, you know, that's that's where it gets hard. 404 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:50,000 And the thing about it is, Edie has to play at this level in 405 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,000 order for Purdue to be good. And I don't know that that's 406 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,000 necessarily always the case with Trace Jackson Davis, but Trace 407 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,200 Jackson Davis, Has more to do to get his teammates involved in 408 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,800 the game. It's a very different dynamic 409 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,900 between the two players I think ultimately people will look at 410 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,700 ETS stats over the course of the season and say that's clearly 411 00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:12,500 the player of the year and that may ultimately be the case. 412 00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:14,600 And I'm sure if the roles were reversed would probably be 413 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,800 arguing for that, but I think it could almost make an argument 414 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,300 that Zaki T is the best player in the Big Ten. 415 00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:22,600 But Trace Jackson. Davis is the most valuable 416 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,600 player in the Big Ten and understanding the 417 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,700 differentiation this game to me, kind of encapsulated that as 418 00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:30,900 much as Thing. Yeah, it's awesome. 419 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:33,000 They guard each other for as much as they did. 420 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,800 You know, we went to race a little bit, but I would say, 80% 421 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,600 of the time Trace was guarding, Zach, ET and, and vice versa for 422 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,600 a lot of it. And, yeah, I mean, it was also 423 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,100 fun. Having I, you come to us in the 424 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:49,600 second half off offensively where there is two times where, 425 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,700 you know, you could see in Jackson Davis like he wanted to 426 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:57,900 post her eyes, a key D and it's like he's you could see here. 427 00:21:58,100 --> 00:22:00,700 He wanted to go at him, he was up for the challenge. 428 00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:03,400 There was a couple plays, the one play in the first half were 429 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,500 for, it's like, you could just see Jackson Davis wanted to 430 00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:08,000 dunk. It's like, he's like trying to 431 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,400 find a way and it's like, I'm not like you could almost see 432 00:22:10,408 --> 00:22:11,900 him go for the hook shot in the come back down. 433 00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:14,500 Then he's like, and he dumped, and he got a Duncan and we have 434 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:16,200 the two times. He went up to poster, I ZT it 435 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,500 was wild. It was like he's going forward. 436 00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:20,300 He took off a little bit too early and then it's also like, 437 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:23,800 oh yeah, I'm halfway in my ascent and I'm Zach Edie. 438 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,500 Still 74 and he's jumping. It's like this is not as easy, 439 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,900 but I love the fire. I like the like we're going to 440 00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:34,200 go at him and you could definitely see it. 441 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,800 You know Indiana was not scared of Purdue. 442 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,100 They did not shrink from the moment it's you know, I'm gonna 443 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:44,600 stop talking about it because I think we need it's still part of 444 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,800 the tapestry of this season but it is so hard to reconcile just 445 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,300 a point. We don't need to dwell on this 446 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:53,600 but it's like this team had so much aggression. 447 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,600 So much like going at Purdue almost a chip on their shoulder. 448 00:22:56,900 --> 00:23:01,000 It's like How is this the same team that looked lifeless at 449 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,300 Penn State? Don't want to get into? 450 00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:04,900 It's like, that's a tough thing to reconcile with his team is 451 00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:08,900 that you see this team here and much of the point with like Ed 452 00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:14,500 and Purdue in a weird way, I would say this much like you say 453 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:18,000 you better player and most valuable player produce probably 454 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,100 the better team and probably going to have the better season 455 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:24,300 come March, but there's a reality where I look at Indiana 456 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:27,200 and when they're firing on all cylinders and all things are 457 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,000 going. Well, it I feel like Indiana 458 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,500 might have a higher ceiling as wild as that sounds were more 459 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:39,200 inconsistent, but it does feel like at times, we are a kind of 460 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,300 a higher ceiling team, whether will reach it for five or six 461 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:46,100 games in a row, probably not. But I didn't walk away from the 462 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:48,500 Purdue game last year, feeling, that way this year, I will, I 463 00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:51,400 look at it. It's like man when we're firing 464 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,700 and we're doing well, we are a really good team. 465 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:57,400 I think both teams have an argument for having a higher 466 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,500 ceiling. Because I think what Purdue does 467 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:02,600 so well and you saw it. Last night is they have a level 468 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:08,200 of consistency and a comfort in what their roles are that, that 469 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,700 carries that travels throughout the course of games, and it's 470 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:12,200 what allowed them to get back into it. 471 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,800 And you know, they had possessions at the end where 472 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,200 they could have tied it or taking the lead what you know, 473 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,700 Indiana is erratic. I think would be the kindest 474 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:23,000 thing I can say about this Indiana team there. 475 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,700 If all, you know, any like any combination Of like the top 476 00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:32,000 eight players that this Indiana team has if they're playing at 477 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,300 their Peak is as good as anybody in the country. 478 00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:37,800 And I don't say that lightly. But this is if you look at the 479 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,100 heights of the players on this team and the things that they 480 00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:44,900 can do physically, this is one of the most versatile teams in 481 00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:47,700 terms of, what kind of looks it can throw at you in the 482 00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:50,800 subtleties and how the players that are on the floor, 483 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,500 interacting with your players. There's you know, there's 484 00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:58,400 certainly some rawness to the the team but Large with Tres 485 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:03,000 Jackson, Davis, Jalen Hood, Fino, Xavier Johnson, you know, 486 00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:06,100 and, and, uh, portray Galloway. And at this point as well, 487 00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:09,700 because he really has raised his game a lot the last few games, 488 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,000 you know, those players have the ability to go almost anywhere 489 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,500 with the basketball and put their teammates in positions 490 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:21,800 where they're in advantageous spots to make baskets or do 491 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,500 whatever. And then even you know, you get 492 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:26,900 down to that next level of role players that to me is Like the 493 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:29,600 fulcrum point right now for the season, you know, we've seen 494 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,800 what happens with Malik renew playing at a consistently high 495 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,400 level and I thought he was awesome against Purdue 496 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,300 yesterday, race Thompson, you know as much as people have been 497 00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:42,700 critical of race and a pointed out that he is clearly not the 498 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:46,200 same player and he wasn't even necessarily playing that great 499 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,900 pre-injury. I mean that guy has been a 500 00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:53,400 warrior and came up with so many important, you know, kind of in 501 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,500 the gutter sorts of plays yesterday including that steel 502 00:25:56,700 --> 00:26:00,900 At the end, there is an intelligence and a you just a 503 00:26:00,908 --> 00:26:04,900 toughness there that a lot of IU teams have just been missing and 504 00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:07,900 it's those sorts of intangible pieces and you throw in you 505 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:12,000 know, Miller comic book. Uh no his stat line is his stat 506 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,100 line will not show it. He had six points. 507 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,100 You know, 142 from the lot are for 4 from the line, 14 to flew 508 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:21,000 from the field in 10 years. You look at that like man. 509 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,100 That's kind of a, you know, nothing performance from race. 510 00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:25,900 It's like, no, he probably won the game, click without race 511 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:27,300 Thompson. He Made the plays. 512 00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:30,100 And this is on top of the fact that at a very tough game at 513 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:33,100 Minnesota on the road. He was the right place went up 514 00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:36,100 got fouled, had two free throws that then you know Trace Jackson 515 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,400 Davis got that but sack race was instrumental in US, beating 516 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,600 Minnesota as well. No. 517 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,000 And I'm as guilty as any with five minutes to go I'm kind of 518 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,500 like maybe we should have renew instead of racing here but this 519 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:48,800 is why you have race and like shame on me for saying that and 520 00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:50,500 he made the right place and you could see it. 521 00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:53,100 Like, I'm, I'm watching Purdue in that last possession. 522 00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,500 And it's like, they are not even looking at it. 523 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,200 They are trying to get a 3. You could see it. 524 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,200 They wanted. They wanted to take a 3 and all 525 00:27:02,208 --> 00:27:03,700 credit to race, like they ran that play. 526 00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:05,800 Once when, you know, Braden Smith goes down the middle and 527 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,200 like kicks it out to the side and they couldn't find it, they 528 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,700 kick it all around. It's are they don't go to ed2 529 00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:14,200 inside outside but like, they're like Grace is in the perfect 530 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,800 spot and he made that play, he made a couple other rebate like 531 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,100 it's, he is anyway, sorry. But it's like, it's so important 532 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,200 what he's done, but it's like, he's basically been an integral 533 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,900 part of two major wins. The last A couple of weeks after 534 00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:31,100 coming back from an injury, where he felt, you know, I'm 535 00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:33,400 sure he thought a lot of us did we may not see him again this 536 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,900 season? The we're going to finish up the 537 00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:39,000 point. I was trying to make though 538 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,700 which was, I agree with all that. 539 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,200 I think that the key right now for Indiana is race Thompson, 540 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,700 Malik renewed, Jordan Geronimo, Tamar, Bates, Miller cop like 541 00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:52,300 what you get out of those players on a night in Night Out 542 00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:54,300 bases. And obviously, you know, if and 543 00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:56,900 Wednesday of your Johnson's able to come back in, you know, Add 544 00:27:56,900 --> 00:28:00,300 somebody that like I feel pretty good right now about what I'm 545 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,200 getting nightly out of Trace Jackson, Davis and Jalen Hurd 546 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,000 Cioppino. Yeah, I mean and in yes, they're 547 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,000 gonna have bad games here and there, but this is where as a 548 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,100 team you have to learn how to win games, you know, with the 549 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,300 whole group and going back to the original point that you 550 00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:18,000 made, that's what makes Indiana ceiling so high. 551 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:21,000 And you see what they did in that first half against Purdue, 552 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,800 that's kind of the fully blossomed. 553 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,900 I you where everything is firing on all cylinders, the only thing 554 00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:29,200 that marred That was a couple of stupid fouls, but even then it 555 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,000 was a very unevenly called first half. 556 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,800 So I don't even know how much to blame Indiana for that when you 557 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,800 and you mentioned foul. So sorry to jump it on fouls but 558 00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:40,600 I was actually unbelievably impressed with how we handled 559 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,700 fouls like jail hijjah, Fino. Got his second foul with like I 560 00:28:44,708 --> 00:28:47,600 don't like 13 minutes to go in the first half and he goes and 561 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,700 sits down and credit to Mike Woodson like he doesn't do the 562 00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:53,600 yo you have 2008 you're sitting to the end of the first half you 563 00:28:53,608 --> 00:28:55,800 know there came a point where it's like I got down like 10 or 564 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,800 11. It's I remember thinking like, 565 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,200 man, you know, Purdue could cut this under 10 and I felt like 566 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,400 there was something symbolic about keeping it above 10 at 567 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,500 half time, and Valentino came back in and played like, seven, 568 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,900 very important minutes, and never got a foul. 569 00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:12,300 And I was thinking, I would love to have known. 570 00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:14,200 Like, was that him going to Woodsen big? 571 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,600 Hey man, I can do it was what's insane? 572 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,400 Like, hey man, like this is a moment for you to show me, but 573 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,300 he did that, you know, fouls kind of became an issue in that 574 00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:23,700 first half. You had Malik renew. 575 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:28,600 I think with to race got three. But to I use credit it never 576 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,300 became an issue. It could have really caused some 577 00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:34,500 issues had Malik renew, gotten two, three, four, fouls of race 578 00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:38,300 would have fouled out, like we were close but nobody really got 579 00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:40,600 into foul trouble, the rest of the game, you know, jail hits, 580 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,800 Rafi, do things different. If he gets a third foul in the 581 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,300 first half and he sits and then he, you know what? 582 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:48,000 If he starts the second half and gets a quick foul like we could 583 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,300 have let fouls get to us and honestly once it got to that 584 00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:52,900 point where it's like, oh I'm getting nervous. 585 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,300 It didn't become an issue, the rest of the game, and all credit 586 00:29:56,300 --> 00:30:00,600 to You and the players for, you know, playing within the game 587 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,000 but not having the fact that Malik renew played as much as he 588 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,800 did guarding, the guys he did and only had two fouls. 589 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,400 That's awesome. Yeah, I mean some of the things 590 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,800 to think about with this game and just kind of in general what 591 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,300 we saw coming out of it. The the what, I mean, what I 592 00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:19,700 really want to see out of this Indiana team moving forward, is 593 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,200 this continued effort at when the offense starts to break 594 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,800 down, you know, where can you get Offense restarted. 595 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,700 And and I think this is actually, when I look at Jalen 596 00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:32,800 Hurd Jaffe know, and what he's been able to accomplish this 597 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,000 far, that's really where he's improved. 598 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,200 So much over the course of the last several weeks is, is his 599 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,800 ability to just kind of dig in and find spots and get shots up 600 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,200 and sometimes the shots aren't great but they do Den dat a 601 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,600 loosening impact on where the defense is playing. 602 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,200 I also think Trey Galloway's done a good job of this as well. 603 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,800 Like his ability when Trace Jackson Davis was being 604 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,400 completely walled off in the post to get his body. 605 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,800 In there, you know, he had that great jump. 606 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,000 Stop, fake shot at it towards the end of the second half. 607 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,000 That was just a crucial bucket and, and probably was the most 608 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,800 surprising bucket that we got out of tray Galloway. 609 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,300 I think in a while because it was it was so subtle and it 610 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:19,200 through the defender, completely off that that you know what, you 611 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,000 know, Trey Galloway when he's playing at his best can be a you 612 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,900 know I'm not a primary score because obviously that's going 613 00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:27,900 to be traced. Jackson Davis, but you feel 614 00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:30,800 confident with him handling the ball, a lot more. 615 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,300 So at this point than you do with Tamar Bates, handling, the 616 00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:38,300 ball because Bates is just so incredibly left-handed and and 617 00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:42,100 he's so, you know, he can get some spot shots, you know, from 618 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:43,800 the perimeter off and that's fine. 619 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,500 But with the ball, in his hands, you'd rather have Trey Galloway 620 00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:50,500 out there and watching him maneuver through that Purdue 621 00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:52,300 defense on a number of occasions. 622 00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:54,500 Yesterday was really awesome to see. 623 00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:58,300 These are the contributions I use got Keep having and you know 624 00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:01,700 I look at it like this, I thought that again fans 625 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,300 overreacted to the Maryland loss. 626 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:08,300 It's hard to win on the road in the Big Ten and we just saw 627 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:11,700 Indiana prove that by beating Purdue who was playing on the 628 00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,300 road in the Big Ten. And I think we're gonna probably 629 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:16,700 going to see that again with this Rutgers game coming up 630 00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:20,900 where yes Rutgers has had Indiana's number but it's hard 631 00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:23,200 to win on the road in the Big Ten and while Rutgers is 632 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,200 legitimately good. Indiana is legitimately good. 633 00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:29,000 But Indiana's only legitimately good if they're getting 634 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,800 contributions from people, all over the floor. 635 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:33,300 That's what I've seen out of them. 636 00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:37,100 That was what made that five game win streak, what it was, it 637 00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:40,400 wasn't just an Indiana was winning, but it was that you 638 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,900 would get that core of two or three players doing well. 639 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:45,600 And then you'd have one or two players really chipping in and 640 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,400 doing something above and beyond what we normally seeing out of 641 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,900 them. And so, That you know, Indiana's 642 00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:55,200 got the second toughest schedule in the Big Ten remaining because 643 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,600 of course they do. You know that they've got a 644 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,600 there on the road. They've got four Road games, 645 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,200 they've got a home game against Rutgers. 646 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,700 They've got a home game against Illinois. 647 00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:08,100 They've got a home game against Iowa and the road games are, as, 648 00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:11,200 at this point, with maybe the exception of the Michigan game. 649 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,100 They're all against teams that are projected to be in the NCAA 650 00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:17,900 tournament. And so, you know, again, it's 651 00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:23,800 funny because as we About on the last podcast, you were worried 652 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,300 that they were going to lose both of these home games and be 653 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:27,900 behind the eight ball going down. 654 00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:29,800 This very difficult, stretch in conference play. 655 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,200 Well, they haven't done that. Now, are they going to win the 656 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,100 second one that to me, is the next acid test for this IU, 657 00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:38,900 basketball team? It's like, are you just had a 658 00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:41,100 huge win against your biggest rival? 659 00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:44,400 Who was number one? Now, can you turn around against 660 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,900 the team that's had your number for the last four years? 661 00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:50,200 Basically. And can you pull off a victory 662 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,100 at home? Home in a game that you are 663 00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:54,500 going to be projected to win, you're going to be favored in 664 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,200 but you're going up against the team that literally has no 665 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,500 respect for. You doesn't fear. 666 00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:01,400 You isn't concerned about what you do because you haven't 667 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,600 demonstrated anything. You know this is this is going 668 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,300 to be fascinating to watch because ultimately I've been so 669 00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:13,800 impressed with how Mike Woodson has galvanized the team around 670 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,400 this idea that they need to have a tougher mentality that they 671 00:34:16,408 --> 00:34:20,600 need to ask more of themselves that they need to. 672 00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:24,199 You know, give something a lot of the criticisms of Mike 673 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,800 Woodson earlier in the season, with his substitution patterns, 674 00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:29,900 you know, certainly he made some mistakes and I'm not absolving 675 00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:33,000 him of those mistakes. But I'll also say he put players 676 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,800 in a position where they could execute and they didn't execute 677 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,100 and the big difference. Honestly, over the course of the 678 00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:42,500 last month has been the players have started executing, you 679 00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:45,199 know, very rarely. Have we seen at least at home a 680 00:34:45,207 --> 00:34:48,100 player go out there. Get significant minutes and not 681 00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:50,000 contribute something. Even Kayla Banks, who 682 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:50,800 regrettably. We didn't. 683 00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:53,699 See in the second half yesterday came in for seven minutes in the 684 00:34:53,707 --> 00:34:57,400 first half because of the Fowler's shoes and really gave 685 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,900 some tremendous contributions. Probably should have had a 686 00:34:59,908 --> 00:35:04,000 couple more points than he ended up having, you know, Woodson has 687 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,100 really settled in on a small group of people that he feels 688 00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:11,400 like, he's going to get something out of and he hasn't 689 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,500 really worried about trying to integrate the people who aren't 690 00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:17,200 in that group and where it's going to matter down the road 691 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,200 for Indiana here, against Rutgers. 692 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,200 And then beyond is Will the players react to and take 693 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,600 advantage of the opportunities that Woodson's giving them by 694 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,600 putting them on the floor by contributing the Maryland game 695 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,800 was troubling because a bunch of guys didn't contribute but to 696 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,100 watch so many different players contribute in the ways that they 697 00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:39,500 did against Purdue says, okay? This team is on the precipice of 698 00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:42,100 being able to do that more consistently and on the road. 699 00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:44,000 And that's what I'm really going to be watching out for the next 700 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,100 couple of weeks. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned 701 00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:49,200 Caleb Banks, he had a great look, just great contribution in 702 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,300 the first half just all effort. Making things happen. 703 00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:56,200 I thought he was use a big part of it and you Trey Galloway, 704 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,000 it's interesting. You know, that's all, you know, 705 00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:02,100 you know, at this point Trace checks and Davis is good for 706 00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:04,900 his, you know, 22 and 12. Which, by the way is, like, it's 707 00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:07,300 mind-boggling to think that this just were assuming a 708 00:36:07,308 --> 00:36:08,500 double-double every night out of him. 709 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:12,500 But we are, you know, outside of a couple of bad shooting games, 710 00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:15,300 Jalen Hood should be, no is also pretty solid. 711 00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:16,900 And then yet, like you said, it's kind of the rest of the 712 00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:19,500 group is, you're wondering where they're going to fit in, but 713 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,100 trig outweigh start to put Together in the sense that he's 714 00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:25,600 got that little floater when he takes, it's like, I'm very 715 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,500 confident going in. Like he's starting to build 716 00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,600 pieces of his game where like I'm very confident that he can 717 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,100 do that like Miller cop when he shoots I'm confident he's going 718 00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:35,800 to make, he just got a confidently shoot it and you 719 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,900 know be aggressive when he's shooting but yeah Trey Galloway 720 00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:41,900 is putting together a game where it's like, yeah that little curl 721 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:45,300 screen. You gotta you can't let him have 722 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:48,800 that because he will hit that floater 100% of the time and 723 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,200 looking ahead to Rutgers You took the words out of my mouth. 724 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,400 I'm fascinated by this game. It's in a way. 725 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,600 It's like I wish we had, you know, Minnesota at home just to 726 00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,900 get another Victory and keep moving on. 727 00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:03,400 But on the flip side, like this is a really nice litmus test for 728 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,800 this team the and it's like the perfect opponent. 729 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,200 It's it's like that, that same time line between Purdue and 730 00:37:09,207 --> 00:37:11,100 Michigan. Last year, you got Purdue and 731 00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:14,100 Rutgers and then it's like it's a team that everything you said, 732 00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,900 has no respect for us is not going to be might even be less 733 00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:21,300 scared than Purdue coming in. Because we at least we beat Last 734 00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:22,600 year, we played a really tough at Mackey. 735 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,100 Like we've shown no ability and do that to Rutgers. 736 00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:31,300 They're not going to be rattled and it's like, it's this is 737 00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:33,400 great that like there's another hurdle being put in front of 738 00:37:33,408 --> 00:37:37,000 this team right away and I'm fascinated to see how they come 739 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,600 out. I'm going to be bummed if they 740 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,200 come out flat and let Rutgers push them around. 741 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,300 I don't think that's going to happen. 742 00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:49,100 And I now see a path where they win both these games and they've 743 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:50,700 really kind of changed the paradigm. 744 00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:55,900 Of the season and where this team could go and yeah, it's 745 00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:56,800 really cool. It's cool. 746 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,200 But yeah the the Rutgers gave to me is just I'm not eating not 747 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,100 ready to totally break it down and preview it yet, but it is 748 00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:06,500 fascinating to me how that game is going to play out and how 749 00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:11,100 Indiana is going to look and go about, you know, preparing an 750 00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:13,100 attack in that game. Yeah, it's going to be 751 00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:16,200 interesting and I think just largely one of those situations 752 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,700 where that look, all of this is to say Indiana has to play at a 753 00:38:21,707 --> 00:38:25,300 level of intensity that matches. What we saw in that Purdue game, 754 00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:28,800 they're not always going to have the assembly whole crowd and 755 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,000 and, you know, when you look at and I guess what I was trying to 756 00:38:31,008 --> 00:38:33,600 get at earlier, as you look at these two teams Purdue is the 757 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,500 consistent, one Purdue is the one that's going out and putting 758 00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:39,200 out really good efforts and taking care of themselves and 759 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,400 games were one or one thing or another thing. 760 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,900 Isn't working Indiana's. Not quite there yet. 761 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:48,200 Indiana when everybody's going off is so hard to beat. 762 00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:51,900 But they still have a tendency to fall into bad habits, that's 763 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:54,000 going to be the challenge for this Indiana team, the rest of 764 00:38:54,008 --> 00:38:56,100 the way. I mean, they've at this point, 765 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,800 they've more or less put themselves in a position where 766 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,100 unless they literally lose out there, going to go to the NCAA 767 00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:06,600 tournament. You know, they have enough wins, 768 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,300 they have enough of, you know, enough overall momentum right 769 00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:14,400 now but this team, never just had the ambition of making the 770 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,500 NCAA tournament. You know, this, this team was 771 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:19,500 talking about winning a Big, Ten title was Talking about making a 772 00:39:19,508 --> 00:39:24,200 Deep Run in March. And we've seen where, and how 773 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,500 the pieces can work at their maximum, you know, impact. 774 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,900 Now they have to start doing it more consistently and that, you 775 00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:34,000 know, it can't just be traced Jackson Davis because he will 776 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,700 wear out eventually the, you know, the way that he's playing, 777 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,100 I don't see how it's sustainable, you know, and so 778 00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:43,300 much is on his shoulders. He's got to start getting more 779 00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:46,200 help, Jalen a jiffy. No, yes, you're going to have 780 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,300 the occasional bad game from him. 781 00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:51,800 But that's a player who is really starting to come into his 782 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:58,300 own and really starting to, I think not just be a reliable 783 00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:01,000 option for Indiana every night. He's be asked to do three or 784 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,500 four different things I talked about this with, with Jared on 785 00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:08,700 the podcast last night. He's a player that I think a lot 786 00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:12,100 about you fans will struggle to ever fully embrace, the way that 787 00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:15,400 they've embraced, some former IU players, but he right now, I 788 00:40:15,408 --> 00:40:17,500 look good. I look is unreal, he is and I 789 00:40:17,508 --> 00:40:22,000 look at him and I see See a player that could absolutely hit 790 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,100 another gear over the last third of the Season, you know, and I 791 00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:28,500 think we saw, we saw some of that in this game. 792 00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:30,400 We saw some of that in the Ohio State game. 793 00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:33,500 And yeah, you're going to have a Maryland every now again, but 794 00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:34,900 that will make a huge difference. 795 00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:39,000 And ultimately, you know, if you have two players that play like 796 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,800 that on a nightly basis, it's a lot easier than just having one 797 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,700 playing like that on a nightly basis with Tres Jackson Davis. 798 00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:48,200 And that's where, if you get this tree Galloway every time 799 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,300 out You're going to win a lot more games than you lose and 800 00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:54,300 we'll see what happens with it. But that's really I think of as 801 00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:57,400 many and I actually we talked about this on the pregame pod 802 00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:00,100 the 11:40 team was kind of like this. 803 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,700 They had you know a really efficient score in the post and 804 00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:07,800 they had players that had never really hit a certain level of 805 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,500 potential and then they all started hitting on all cylinders 806 00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:13,600 from the beginning of February until losing to Kentucky in the 807 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,300 sweet 16 that year. And the I think this team has a 808 00:41:17,308 --> 00:41:19,800 higher ceiling than that. At team did, to be honest with 809 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,700 you, but I also think that this team probably has more to 810 00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:25,800 overcome to get to that ceiling. Then that team. 811 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,600 Did you said something that I want to highlight real quick, 812 00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:33,600 you mentioned just talking about you Indiana, and how they've got 813 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,600 to get the consistency down. If they can get that 814 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,300 consistency, they can you know, play better and but but you 815 00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:40,700 know, but they're solidly in the tournament. 816 00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:44,200 And this is, you know, I'm guilty of this at times as well, 817 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,700 but I think this is the trouble with a fan base where we've been 818 00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:51,000 outside looking in. In so long on the tournament and 819 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,700 in a way in 2012 to, you know, we happen to the tournament a 820 00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:58,300 while but it's worse now because we've had so many more stretches 821 00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:01,500 of not making the tournament that, you know, that Maryland 822 00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:06,200 game. It's like, you look at it and I 823 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,000 think it's hard for a lot of IU fans to sometimes reconcile, 824 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,700 just remember. And again, I'm in this Camp to 825 00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:13,400 that, you know, when you mention a team like you can play really 826 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,300 well at home and as a little bit inconsistent but has the pieces 827 00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:18,300 that could be there. It's like yeah, that's what if 828 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,600 32 a six seed in the tournament looks like, like, I know that 829 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,300 from the outside looking in, it's like Jesus. 830 00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:25,200 All these teams are so good and like, they're just crushing, 831 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,100 it's like, they'll go look at like the resume of a four seed 832 00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:31,100 in the tournament every year. Like they have weird stretches, 833 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:34,600 their inconsistent and like there's the teams that are the 834 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,100 one seeds are the one scenes for a reason because they're like 835 00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:40,100 Purdue and they go on 12-game winning streak like most of the 836 00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:45,400 teams in the tournament have highs and have lows and it is 837 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,100 weird. You have to kind of recalibrate 838 00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:49,200 and remember like this is kind of Profile. 839 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,600 If we beat Rutgers and we kind of finished top three in the Big 840 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,500 Ten, like this, the profile, the 45C, like this is, that's what 841 00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:57,600 it is. Like, four or five, see teams 842 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,000 pissed away games every year. Like, that's what? 843 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,700 That's why they're not one seeds as why there are the tournament 844 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,400 and less time we pissed away game, but it's like it is, it's 845 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,900 just like when you're outside looking in, you think everyone 846 00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:10,900 above you is like in this lofty air. 847 00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:13,900 It's like it's really only three or four teams that are in that 848 00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:17,500 like man they had a they crush it this year, everyone else has 849 00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:19,700 a bunch of questions. If you go into that fan base 850 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,300 that they're freaking out, just we haven't had a 14 profile for 851 00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:25,500 so long. It's like I'm not sure we can 852 00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:27,400 look at it like oh, this is what it is because we think it's 853 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,800 something better than that. It should have like a 12-game, 854 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,400 winning streak. Well, sorry, go ahead, no. 855 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,200 All that's well taken and the other thing that I think being 856 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,400 on the sidelines for so long you lose track of is the 857 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,500 n-c-double-a tournament is not like it used to be last year in 858 00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:45,400 the regional finals. Here's what you had, you had a 859 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,100 one seed, attend seed, a five seed. 860 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,900 Seed a 15 seed and eight seed, a four seed and a two seed, what 861 00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:56,500 does that tell you? It tells you that it's not. 862 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,700 I mean the resume is important but what really matters is how 863 00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:02,600 you're playing at that. Time of year are things coming 864 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,100 together for you? Have you figured out your 865 00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:07,600 identity, and yeah, there's some luck involved, you know? 866 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,500 And you could have a great season and have it all go awry. 867 00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:15,900 Surprisingly, because you ran into a bad matchup or you could 868 00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:18,300 be, you know, I mean Illinois last year was a good. 869 00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:20,700 Sample of that. Like, you know, they have a they 870 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:23,000 have a pretty good year. They have a surprising loss in 871 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,500 the Big Ten Tournament they end up as a four seed in the NCAA 872 00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:26,900 tournament. They run into Houston in the 873 00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:29,900 second round and lose this stuff happens. 874 00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:32,300 It's hard to Tennessee. Last year was the same thing 875 00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:34,700 there in a Michigan and who thought Michigan that Michigan 876 00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:38,100 team that lost to Indiana blew a 15-point lead in the last 10 877 00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:40,700 minutes of the game would make it to the Sweet 16. 878 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,100 My point is, yes, it's easy to get overwrought. 879 00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:48,300 A little bit about, I use results on a game by game. 880 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,900 You have to look at it a little bit more broadly than that. 881 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,400 And the trend line for this team is pointing in an upwards 882 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,200 Direction. Now, how high up it gets, I 883 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,900 don't know. A lot of that's going to depend 884 00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:03,700 on how they're able to circle the wagons, because it's going 885 00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:06,500 to be really hard to get up emotionally for another game on 886 00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:08,800 the schedule, the same way, they got up for this Purdue game, but 887 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,900 if they can bottle, what they did in this game, in terms of 888 00:45:10,908 --> 00:45:15,300 how they played with each other, that we'll have a really 889 00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:17,300 positive impact on what they were able to do the rest of the 890 00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:21,800 way, anyway. Anything else before we wrap up? 891 00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:25,100 No. Well, we have some big news to 892 00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:27,700 announce. So, we had a lot of the Assembly 893 00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:31,200 Hall crowd here this weekend, meet and greet Gail. 894 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,100 And I have decided to do an event together. 895 00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:37,400 This coming Tuesday, and I'm really proud. 896 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,500 You took some time and coordination, you know, we have 897 00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:43,400 a great venue. So we're going to have a meet 898 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,800 and greet on the North Concourse of Assembly Hall. 899 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,200 Now, I think they're selling tickets for this. 900 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,500 It's, we're going to, we're going to open the doors around 901 00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:53,100 like 5:30. I think the tickets already went 902 00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:55,300 on sale, so I apologize. And I'm not sure, I talked to, I 903 00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:58,600 you like they might have another event going on, like, possibly 904 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,100 an event on the court, but there will be a meet and greet at 905 00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:04,800 probably around, like, 7:30 for Scott and Galen at Northside, 906 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,700 and I'm joking. But we're going to work and came 907 00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:08,200 together. So, yeah, this is a. 908 00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:10,500 I didn't know where you were going with that. 909 00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:13,700 So there we go. No, yeah, we this, we have one 910 00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:17,100 game a year. Where Scott gives you this year, 911 00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:18,000 dr. We did Arizona. 912 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,400 We do. Derek, let's that didn't count 913 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,500 though because that wasn't an assembly whole affair with a 914 00:46:22,508 --> 00:46:25,800 good record in these games to, I mean, we saw the Creighton game 915 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,900 together a few years ago and you and yep. 916 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,800 We we try it. Yeah, yeah yeah. 917 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,200 Generally generally the these are winning games. 918 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,700 So this is a good idea. But now actually if anybody is 919 00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:43,500 around and we do normally meet up on the North Concourse on, 920 00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:46,500 that little kind of Sky Bridge area of a some of those of you 921 00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:48,200 who want to come over at halftime and say hi. 922 00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:49,600 The Rutgers game by all means do. 923 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,600 So we booked Assembly Hall at their, it tickets are on sale, I 924 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,400 do the secondary markets, a real event. 925 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,000 I gotta say as much as I might have complained about this on 926 00:46:58,008 --> 00:46:59,800 the last podcast. There's much as I complain about 927 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,800 9 p.m. starts and and how difficult those are on my psyche 928 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,900 and complain about 6:30, then to you can't. 929 00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:09,600 I kind of do though. It's so like if you're a if 930 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,200 you're a person with kids or you have a job and you don't get off 931 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,100 work until like 5:00, And I don't mean in Bloomington. 932 00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:18,900 That's one thing I know in in the apples you have to leave 933 00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:21,100 work early. It's really hard to do. 934 00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:23,500 Everything you need to do then turn around. 935 00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:27,200 Get to the stadium by 6:30. Now you know, it could be worse 936 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,700 like we talked about Butler's playing games at like 6 p.m. 937 00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:31,700 because of the Fox television deal. 938 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,700 But yeah it makes for an interesting transition but I'm 939 00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:40,500 looking forward to it. I, I'm curious not just to see 940 00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:44,600 how the team reacts. I'm really curious to see how 941 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,700 the crowd Crowd reacts. Yes. 942 00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:51,700 And I'm curious to see if they are because of the one problem. 943 00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:57,400 I think with a Tuesday early evening game is that it just 944 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,700 you're not quite in the mood for basketball. 945 00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:03,600 It's like someone saying walking into your office at like 3:30 in 946 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,900 the afternoon and say, hey, let's go. 947 00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:08,200 Get a steak dinner, you're like I I don't think I can do that. 948 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,400 Like, I need, I need my steak and like, 7:30, like I know I'm 949 00:48:11,408 --> 00:48:14,500 going to sit there and eat a T-bone at 3:45 in the afternoon. 950 00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:17,100 It just, it's No apps, yes, straight to say. 951 00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:19,200 Um, but you know, so I'm worried. 952 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,500 It'll take the crowd a little bit of time to get worked up. 953 00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:25,300 And I also a little bit concerned about the, the, you 954 00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:28,600 know, where the team is at emotionally, but I think we'll 955 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,800 find out pretty quickly. I said that before this Purdue 956 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,100 game, it's like, you know, we're going to find out real fast if 957 00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:36,900 Indiana's into this game and they absolutely were and look, I 958 00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:39,100 think, you know, since that Northwestern game, they've done 959 00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:42,100 a much better job of coming out and getting into the games right 960 00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:43,700 away. It's just, they got to do it 961 00:48:43,707 --> 00:48:46,100 again here and this Rutgers Um is no joke. 962 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,100 I mean, this Rutgers team was down six and a half in Madison 963 00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:53,700 Square Garden to Michigan State this weekend. 964 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,800 And, you know, I when I saw that game on the schedule, I was like 965 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,500 God. I mean, I mean Purdue gets to 966 00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:02,100 play Penn State in the palestra. Which is not their home court 967 00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:05,300 and Michigan state gets to go and not play in the rack when 968 00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:08,700 they play Rutgers. And and yet matter, it didn't 969 00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:12,900 matter, you know, the Rutgers ends up winning that game and 970 00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:16,100 it's going to be really fascinating because Got they 971 00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:18,700 have a really tough stretch coming up, they got Indiana on 972 00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:20,500 the road and then they got Illinois on the road. 973 00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,700 And these next to that is, that is a huge combination and 974 00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:26,200 that'll really decide what direction they're season goes, 975 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,700 but not should be good. I'm sure. 976 00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:32,100 We'll get the crowd fired up. Maybe we could give everybody 977 00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:37,400 like a can of, or maybe a cup of coffee or something walking in 978 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,600 and just try to get everybody. Artificially buzzed a little 979 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,200 bit. I did want to say, one last 980 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,900 thing, the court storming at the end Let's talk about it. 981 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,000 Okay. I have a heart. 982 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,700 I have a very hard take on it. Go ahead. 983 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,400 And this is, this is changed over time. 984 00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:55,800 My take is, I'm 100% fine with it. 985 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,900 Like, you get to be in college for four years, you know, you 986 00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:03,500 only have your, for, no matter, you know, we you and I have seen 987 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:06,000 a bunch of great games. We've had great moments, and 988 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,900 like, but we only got to be at IU as college students in the 989 00:50:09,908 --> 00:50:12,900 college seats for four years, and you only get a very short 990 00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:16,300 time to do it and so that, you know, all of these Rules is what 991 00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:18,500 sucks about baseball at times. Like all these rules, you can't 992 00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:20,600 do this, can't do that. It's like, you're here for four 993 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,600 years. You're 19. 994 00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:23,500 You don't care about like tradit, you care about 995 00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:26,700 attrition, it's like have fun with it and I would say this, 996 00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:30,300 take that out of it, as you mentioned, with Osterman, in 997 00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:34,000 your preview pod, you know, number one, team coming to play 998 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,100 an assembly hall. Doesn't happen all the time and 999 00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:39,000 then us beating them that number one. 1000 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,900 Team has only happened in Assembly Hall, wet like four 1001 00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:45,800 times and then it also being Arrival. 1002 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,100 I mean, this is something that we may never see again in our 1003 00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:51,800 lifetime. Just that the combination of 1004 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,100 Purdue being number, one, being arrival and beating them. 1005 00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:56,000 Like, there's a lot of things here going on. 1006 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,400 I mean, we haven't been the number one team in the country 1007 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,700 in Assembly Hall since Kentucky. Is it just, it doesn't happen 1008 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,900 that often. It's a cool moment. 1009 00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:04,800 Yeah, we're both ranked. Who cares? 1010 00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:06,700 That that's my take is who cares? 1011 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,800 We're here to have fun like let's have fun with this. 1012 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:12,200 No one as long as no one's getting hurt and no one's, you 1013 00:51:12,207 --> 00:51:14,400 know, being aggressive or hurting the other players. 1014 00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:16,600 I'm % fine with it. That's my chain. 1015 00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:23,300 Yes, I agree with all of that. I just there's a couple 1016 00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:24,500 different things I'll say on this. 1017 00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:27,400 First of all, I mean, you hit the nail on the head. 1018 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,400 These are 18 to 22 year olds. There's been no accomplishments 1019 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,600 of note for IU basketball during their time here and that was a 1020 00:51:37,607 --> 00:51:40,800 legitimately exciting game. It's legitimate exciting to rush 1021 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,000 the court, I think it's great. That people are excited about 1022 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,800 something going on with IU basketball. 1023 00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:50,100 And the people who criticize this by and large, have just 1024 00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:53,400 they're living in an era that doesn't exist anymore. 1025 00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:56,700 Indiana hasn't been successful. Indiana hasn't been a top 1026 00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:59,800 program. This this was an upset, Indiana, 1027 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,300 upset a top-ranked. Purdue team at home. 1028 00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:04,500 That's okay. Yes. 1029 00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:07,000 We beat Purdue a lot at home, but we haven't beaten them that 1030 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,000 much at home in the last, like decade to me. 1031 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,600 It's heartening that people still come to IU. 1032 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,800 And they're interested in a basketball program. 1033 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,500 That's been essentially middle of the road for 20 plus years 1034 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,500 and I'm excited. 25 plus years, I'm excited that the fans are 1035 00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:25,700 still excited. The students were so pumped up 1036 00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:31,000 this whole last couple of days, you know, to watch campus and 1037 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,100 Entire Community, kind of get re galvanized in a way that we just 1038 00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:37,100 haven't seen that often. A lot of the people criticizing 1039 00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:43,400 the court storm in their heads, it's still 1989, you know, but 1040 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,800 it's kind of like when I did that little food podcast the 1041 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,700 other day. It's like hey, I know that you 1042 00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:49,900 love going to Nix and mother bears and zag grabs. 1043 00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:52,700 Maybe try some other things out, I feel the same way about a lot 1044 00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:54,700 of our fans when it comes to, the way they think about our 1045 00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:57,700 basketball program. I know you love living in 1987 1046 00:52:57,700 --> 00:53:00,800 and 1993 but those don't exist right now. 1047 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,600 They just don't. And I hope that they come back 1048 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,800 games like last night, or what are going to help those times 1049 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,100 come back, getting the students legitimately excited and enough 1050 00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:15,800 that they will go Rush the floor because you beat a number one, 1051 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,700 team helps to re-establish where Indiana was culturally and 1052 00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:22,100 basketball. That's things have to happen. 1053 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,900 Make it happen. I'd love to get to the point 1054 00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,200 where you don't rush the floor after you beat number one at 1055 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,300 home, but that's probably that happens. 1056 00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:31,000 I think almost anywhere in college. 1057 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,800 Basketball at this point. Not just Indiana versus Purdue 1058 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,400 now, you beat number one. Yeah, so I just have all the fat 1059 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,900 bald and of all the dumb things though that. 1060 00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:44,700 I mean, I guess we're Tate's me is, you know, for rece Davis to 1061 00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:47,400 make some kind of a comment about that after the game is 1062 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,100 over on the broadcast. It's like, again, Reese, your 1063 00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:53,600 image of Indiana basketball. God bless you is of an era that 1064 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,700 doesn't exist right now and trying to get back up to that as 1065 00:53:56,700 --> 00:54:00,200 important. The idea that IU is somehow 1066 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,900 above Of that level, you can't do that. 1067 00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:05,700 You can't say that on the one hand, and then on the other 1068 00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:10,100 hand, you have an opportunity to do College GameDay for number 1069 00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:13,800 one, versus number 21. And instead you choose to do a 1070 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,500 college game day for to unranked, ACC teams, like you 1071 00:54:16,508 --> 00:54:18,500 can't on the one hand say, well, I you should be above that and 1072 00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:21,800 on the other hand treat them like a secondary or tertiary 1073 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,400 team, you're probably right. Like, you know, more people are 1074 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,200 interested in duke-north Carolina because those have been 1075 00:54:27,207 --> 00:54:30,100 more successful programs. So I just I look at it all and I 1076 00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:33,900 say It's it's great that there's that level of energy and 1077 00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:36,600 enthusiasm among the IU students that they want to rush the court 1078 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,000 and it was a cool Court storm. This is one of the, the tough 1079 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:46,300 legacies of night era gave us a lot of great things but, you 1080 00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:47,900 know, I remember the court storm. 1081 00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:51,600 When we beat Michigan State in like 0, 1 or 0 0, you hasten 1082 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:52,900 hits the three and that was a great game. 1083 00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:55,700 But it also felt like remember that was like, people were 1084 00:54:55,707 --> 00:54:58,000 taking pictures like, oh my God, we storm the court because like 1085 00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:00,800 you didn't do that under night and that the problem was like, 1086 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,700 It's fine in 76 and 81 that you're winning titles. 1087 00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:05,100 You're winning a tons. Like you can have that 1088 00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:07,200 arrogance. But you and I lived through the 1089 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,500 era of like, hey, we have the arrogance, we don't have the 1090 00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:12,200 winds to back it up, and then night was gone and then it's 1091 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,100 like that felt very much like, wow, this is fun. 1092 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,700 Like, we can beat teams and storm that. 1093 00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:20,700 Like, do the things that other programs are allowed to do. 1094 00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:24,900 Like, I don't know, have shoe deals and like real apparel and 1095 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,100 real recruit, so we can storm the court like. 1096 00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:32,000 And so it is it's weird that that Legacy Because people 1097 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,000 really enjoyed it that time, it's like they're taking 1098 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,200 pictures. It's like and they didn't happen 1099 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,200 for a while and it's like we've kind of gone back into that. 1100 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,100 That's not the way we do things. Like know people wanted to do it 1101 00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:45,000 and they as early as 2001 movie Michigan State. 1102 00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:48,900 So I mean that's the truth. You that's not so much joking. 1103 00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:50,800 Tongue-in-cheek. About doing it all the time. 1104 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:56,000 But yeah, it's fun. And this really is a, it's fine. 1105 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,600 It's just it's great to years and only be produced during the 1106 00:55:58,607 --> 00:56:00,400 court you're both. It's both an upset. 1107 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,200 Go for it. So much of the austerity 1108 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,400 surrounding IU basketball and the asceticism of being an IU 1109 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,500 fan. That's how bob Knight wanted it. 1110 00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:11,900 And bob Knight was able to get that hap to happen because his 1111 00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:17,600 teams won so many games and astonishing clip and that so you 1112 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:22,100 can you can force your crowd to be austere when it comes to, you 1113 00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:24,800 know, you're not going to have people when body paint and 1114 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,300 you're not going to have a student section. 1115 00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:27,300 You're not going to have all those things. 1116 00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:30,000 You can afford to do that. Rudy, right? 1117 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,600 You can afford to do that. That if you're winning games 1118 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,900 like that, when you're not doing that anymore, it's not a we're 1119 00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:41,400 better than that or we, you know, we we are more dedicated 1120 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,500 to decorum than the other two. You're just a team that isn't 1121 00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:47,000 having fun and isn't winning at that point. 1122 00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:52,600 And this is the thing that drives me nuts and look, I'm I 1123 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,900 was weaned in the night era and I understand the perspective of 1124 00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:58,400 IU basketball being special and it is special. 1125 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:03,400 But I've, you know, one of the things about IU, That's Unique 1126 00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:08,400 is how rabid the fan base wants to be because of how much it 1127 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,300 cares about the sport. And you know, even a team like 1128 00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:13,600 North Carolina, who has fans all over the place and has been one 1129 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,300 of the most successful programs their fans come across as if 1130 00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:22,000 feet and kind of distanced from things and Indiana is not quite 1131 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,900 like that like Indiana is a lot more earthy and kind of you know 1132 00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:28,400 it's more of a populist sort of brand the North Carolina is 1133 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,200 which is very much kind of an elitist brand. 1134 00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:34,200 And look, bob Knight had his own little foibles and his own 1135 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,100 preferences about how he wanted things conducted and that was 1136 00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:39,800 very much with the Zeitgeist of the time but so much of what 1137 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,200 Indiana fans from that era have tried to impose upon everybody 1138 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:48,100 else is the style of that. With none of the substance that 1139 00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:49,300 actually made it. What it was. 1140 00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:51,300 And so that's where I find it really fascinating. 1141 00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:53,200 I know some people probably not like what I'm saying here and 1142 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,200 that's fine. We can agree to disagree on this 1143 00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:59,100 but all of that said, I look at the court storm and I'm like, 1144 00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:00,900 man, that's awesome. I'm glad that there's some 1145 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,600 Memories being formed there, some actual emotional bonds 1146 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,900 between those students and the team, the program, the success 1147 00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:09,700 of the program. Because man, we've had so many 1148 00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:12,100 classes of students that have come through Indiana, who 1149 00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:14,600 haven't gotten those moments who haven't been able to enjoy those 1150 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,500 things, who haven't been able to fully celebrate, that's how you 1151 00:58:17,500 --> 00:58:20,600 that's why football has so few fans because they've been so few 1152 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,000 moments like that over the course of time, you know. 1153 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,600 And you can look at that and say that we're above, that is 1154 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,400 Indiana. But reality is, that's what 1155 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,100 helps to form those bonds for the future. 1156 00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:36,000 So anyway, that was Wrap that up Scott is always a pleasure and I 1157 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,100 will look forward to talking with you all coming up soon. 1158 00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:41,800 Indiana versus Rutgers on Tuesday. 1159 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,500 Also on Tuesday we'll have the IU Women's Basketball. 1160 00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:47,800 Show with Amanda Foster big game for the women today as they take 1161 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,600 on Purdue good luck to the Hoosiers in that one, thanks to 1162 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,500 our friends at home field apparel and the back home 1163 00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:55,700 network for Scott. I'm Galen. 1164 00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:58,300 This is Crimson Castle, catch you folks on the flipside. 1165 00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:00,100 Bring back the Bison. So long, everybody.