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Along the Scott Caulfield it is a Victorious, Sunday February,
fifth of the year. And 23, the Hoosiers.
Pull off something they've never done in their history, which is
vide, number one ranked for do team at home, and they do so by
5:00 yesterday, tremendous seen one of the more exciting
environments that I've seen in Assembly Hall and long time.
And I lost my voice as you can probably tell.
So you're going to get a very lower register Galen klaviyo
during this podcast. Hopefully, hopefully it works
for you. Is that's about the best I can
say. But anyway, Scott, good to see
you. I got a chance to have lunch
together yesterday, it was a great start to what ended up
being an amazing day. For a pair of IU fans that
happen to podcast on the team, didn't get a chance to see you
at the game. I got like captured by the Don
Fisher thing at halftime, and I was like that, that by the time
that ended it was like, oh crap, I don't didn't do my normal
rendezvous with Scott, I hope I'm and then we almost lost down
the stretch. I'm like, I jinxed all of this,
my God, this is all my fault. So, thankfully that worked out,
but it's good. To see you again.
How you doing? Good to see you too.
Yeah, no II caught. The Don Fisher thing kind of
from the tunnel and then went down looked and see you there
and I still needed some time to kind of cool to get out and just
kind of cool my head for a little bit and then and then get
back in. Now, it was yesterday was
awesome. I mean, that's that's why I you
basketball has a hold on a lot of us.
That's why it has the fanbase. It does.
I will say this, it was awesome getting out to see people you
and I we could, we went to lunch.
It was kind of A great progression of a day we went
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the game. I you came in, you know, it was
wild watching the betting line before this one started and As
we've talked about a lot, the betting line is essentially a
measure of public sentiment. You know, it's not it ends up
being very accurate in a lot of ways.
What was fascinating about? This one, I made me a little
nervous was how the line started at Purdue - one and a half.
And then it was Indiana, minus 1 or minus 1 and a half, and then
I went back to Purdue, then went back to Indiana again and I
think it's settled. Indiana - one and a half.
Yeah, by the time, the game started which was interesting.
Um, and when the game actually got underway, you started to
think, wow, I think Vegas actually really undersold, how
much Indiana might win because it was such a tremendous start
for Indiana. I don't know that I've seen them
play that, well, offensively in the last four or five years.
I mean, that stretch of time, basically the entire first half
to put 50 points on a Purdue team that Prides itself on
playing slow and to hit 60. 82% of the field goals that were
attempted. I think, actually, with a couple
minutes left in the half, it was at 67 or 68 percent.
I mean, this Indiana team was absolutely locked in from the
get-go. They were getting contributions
across the board. They were doing a lot of things
to Purdue that we didn't think they were going to be able to
do. I mean, you, and I, when we
talked on the preview podcast, we talked about how well,
they're not gonna be able to turn pro do over that Purdue at
12 turnovers. I think it was in the first half
ended up with 16 for the game. You know, oh, well then, you
know, they're going to not going to put Trace Jackson, Davis on
Zack, ET. Well, guess what?
They pushed Rick Jackson Davis. One sec ET but they really did a
good job in that first half of making, it very hard for Purdue
to do what they like to do. And Purdue honestly was they
look like they were in danger just getting run out of the
building in the first half. What was your reaction watching?
All of that do down for that first?
20 minutes? Yeah it was a great start.
I was sitting with Jared of assembly call which is awesome.
And but yeah, the first I visited him like we won the
first five. Let's just keep winning
five-minute segments and then there's two moments you out of a
timeout, Purdue, inbounds the ball, Ed like kind of shoulders
into Jackson, Davis, get to foul and it was almost a moment of
like the Russians cut for me to Rocky for like he gets a fouls
like, oh, we got he got a foul and then Purdue immediately took
him out and he played about as normal Madam.
Then it's not like amazing but it's because it's kind of
moment. Like, oh, like, we were up I
think like 11 or so at that point.
However, 12 and it's like We we could stretch this like this is
we are now up 12 play well with Edie going to the bench and you
know I said the Jared a couple times to like and I mean this it
all you know produce a very good team they never looked shook
like you know a mid-major tea but I was like this is about as
shook as I think Purdue's ever going to look like their guards
didn't. They're both really Smith and
lawyer both really good but they were getting frazzled by the
pressure and then that that's true.
Reidy went out Purdue has had a really weird lineup out there
like that it was I could feel the Purdue.
It was as a fan of IU who gets very funky with like what are
these lineups? And I have the same feeling in
the second half for IU, but it's like we were up by 12 or 13 and
Purdue had no Edie. And I think, you know, I think
Fletcher Warrior was on the bench, right?
Like, maybe Braden Smith on the bench, he was just a funky line
up. I'm like this is and I think the
next time down Purdue me like tried to pass it to the wing and
it went out of bounds and it's just like they they don't seem
to have a plan. Here and I will say we're get to
the second half like I knew Purdue was going to come back
like they are a steady team and again they never looked shook
but they look to shook, his produce going to but my one
knock for any proof and listening is at that point where
we kind of extended the lead a little bit and kept it above 10.
And Edie was out like at their heart of hearts, this is what
scares every Purdue fan about the tournament is because there
are moments when he dies out in this team.
Looks pretty pedestrian. But no we we pushed it we ended
on a high but as Jared pointed out to me it's like it's like
man, look like we almost won the game in the first half, we have
an 85% win probability, but then the second half came and we we
can get to that. Like we came out a little bit
flat assembly Halls, little bit flat and then Purdue just
started working their way back in.
But no, the start was, was simply went 12 one run.
Yeah. I mean, that was exactly the
start you wanted to have. Yeah.
I mean it was, it was It's certainly one of those
situations where Indiana, new and executed in a way where it's
like, we got to put our foot on the gas early on with this team.
And as much as this team got criticized early this season for
slow starts, you know, whether that was against Northwestern or
whether that was against them, in any of the other teams that
we've talked about there have been some games in the season
where I us come out loaded for bear.
And, you know, this was one of those games.
The game at Iowa is one of those games and it's interesting
because I do think, as well as Indiana played, as you said, it
was clear that there was going to be a different style of play.
The dominated in the second half part of it.
I think, was that the, of course, because it's the Big
Ten. The officiating changed.
I mean, in the first half weirdly, the more liberal
fouling calls, that were being whistled by the officials were
helping Indiana a little bit, because Woodson did a really
good job of rotating, who was out there.
And you know, continuing to put pressure on things, they were
dropping down, really heavily on Edie and making it hard for him
to get clean catches, or put the ball on the floor.
They were doing a good job of forcing bad entry passes.
We also shot 83% for the line and produce shot 58 percent.
Well, you levitate like they were missing shots and they
weren't well, that's great. And look they were rattled.
And you know what I mean? Trace Jackson Davis mentioned in
the postgame press conference. That was the most electric crowd
that he's been in front of since he's been at IU.
And I agree that To me was a crowd that, you know, is right
up there with Michigan 2013. You know, there's a few other
crowds that that compared and it's tough, you know, it's I
think of myself as an assembly hall Somali a sometimes, you
know, where I can. I've tasted so many different
vintages of assembly whole crowds, you know, from very
pedestrian games where the crowds just looking at their
phones to games like you had last night, and that was one of
the best vintages of Assembly Hall from a Neck, electricity
standpoint I've ever seen. And it was clear, that Purdue
was rattled. It was also clear though.
That what Indiana did in the first half?
Offensively was not going to be sustainable.
There was no way they were going to shoot over 60% from the field
and you know as it turned out the Purdue came out in that
second half and really do immediately was like look we're
going to re-establish what our identity is and that is we're
going to play through, Zack Edie.
We're going to figure out ways to get him the ball.
We're going to punish you for essentially over playing and
they also did some pretty subtle but I'll settle I guess maybe
the wrong word but some well-thought-out things on
defense you know Indiana got several baskets in the first
half on that action where Galloway would curl around at
the high post, get the basketball unimpeded in the
middle of the lane and you know shot a couple of Runners and had
a couple of nice passes out of that and crew just shut that out
entirely in the second half. It became such a Grind and
Indiana. And this is, you know, it's
something that I'm not you can't criticize them for because they
shot 40% from three but they basically stopped shooting
threes in the second half. Like it was like the perimeter
game just disappeared entirely because they were so desperately
trying to re-establish Trace Jackson Davis in the game and
that allowed Purdue to track back into it.
I didn't realize the Scott, but the last nine and a half minutes
of the game. It was two possessions like the
never got above two possessions. Spread but Purdue never LED in
that whole time and never even tied.
So it's just a roller coaster down that entire second half the
thing that I noticed. So we had, you know we sit kind
of right right near the end of one of the baskets.
And so we had cruel offense coming to us the first half and,
you know, definitely the pressure that our guards were
putting on the Purdue guards was affecting the way they are able
to get the ball to Edie. But Jackson Davis is also doing
a really good job of keep, not letting ET getting Exactly where
he wanted in the post. Although Edie is, I mean, you
know, not not gonna sit here and talk about 80 too much but he's
unlike almost any other player. I've seen it.
I let much like you. I do love to, I don't want to
give you the mantle of Assembly Hall, Somali.
I love that idea. I also feel like I got in the
crowd well, and I have a good in say, I was the only Somali you
got multiple small EA's, you know, it's a great.
It's a great take. I'm just very jealous.
Pull that out. I'm not sure.
Either ZD is so He's so big but he is so good.
Actually, I'm not sure. I've seen somebody like that
size that skill level and Assembly Hall before it's wild.
He's amazingly good at getting position where he's not getting
a three-second calling, or he's right on the edge of the lane,
but still really close. But you can see the pressure.
He puts on teams because in the second half, he's going away
from us but it's like, he's getting slightly better
position. I was telling Jarrod like it,
it's not because we're not our pressure on the guards a little
bit was not quite at the level of It was but it's also it's
like this is tough for Jackson. Davis like you have a 7-foot for
290-pound guy leaning on you for 40 minutes.
Like at some point you're going to wear out and then it's like G
and you saw this, he saw them. Start moving like maybe race
played a little bit on either. Like they started his mission up
a little bit because it's like uni Jackson Davis to also be
effective on the offensive end and like pushing ET around on,
you know, to make sure he doesn't start with the best
position like that wears you out after a time and it does put you
in a very tough spot. I think.
He did a very good job of getting great position early on,
and it's just like, he's one of those dudes where it's like,
man, I'm watching the entire first half like Jackson Davis is
out playing ET and then you look up and it's like, ETS got 23 and
12 years like and it's like his stats just dwarf Jackson Davis.
It's like, I'm here watching the game and Jackson Davis is out
playing him, but yeah, you knew Purdue was going to chop it out.
I thought reading austrians peace in the Indy star this
morning. He Had a great analogy of like
you know, Indiana was taking Purdue blow-by-blow, and it did
feel very much like a boxing match where in that second half
Purdue's coming back there. Taking blows like Indiana felt
like the boxer who's like, it's not fair that just try to hang
on because they made some shots back, but it's like, but you did
feel like this is you know, the other guys are starting to get
some power, starting to hit somebody shots.
It's like we can't let them have that killer shot and to your
point. I was saying this to, it's like,
I just thought, like, you cannot let Get the lead and Indiana's
credit they never did like Purdue never LED after the first
few know 10 seconds of the game and it felt like in in that game
had Purdue gotten the lead. It would have been harder to
close that out. I know what happened last year
where Purdue got the lead in the thinnest, he came back and hit
the shot and that was great and we might have done the same
thing but it did feel like it was nice that Indiana really
kind of there's only and I'm to be fair there was only one or
two possessions, I believe we're Purdue came down with into It
was always like within four or five and I think only one or two
times. They came down, once they hit a
three, they're taken the lead and and credit goes to Indiana.
They made the plays they had to and you saw, I heard you guys in
the postgame talk about Jalen's a jiffy.
No, I mean that is that's what it's like to have an MBA style
player as your point guard, where he is able to create a
layup, a very tough layup but a layup completely out of thin
air. He's he's the shot clocks
running out. Not much is going on.
He breaks a double team and gets to the rim and finishes.
That's unbelievable. It's interesting.
I mean, you think about it like one of the reasons why Indiana
was able to play so effectively against Purdue on on the
defensive end of the floor, in the first half, is this was the
first game, it felt like maybe since the Rutgers game maybe
since the Ohio State game, where the size of the guards defending
the perimeter against Purdue were able to make it difficult
to Get Ed the ball and well, you know where I think painter
deserves credit and where I think Edie deserves credit is in
the second half. Not only did they really focus
on getting him the ball and putting him in different
positions and, you know, essentially taking away some of
what Indiana was trying to do defensively in terms of denying
entry passes, but they also started letting the guards drive
into the vacancy that was being left on the opposite side of the
lane, and Guards were able to hit some of those layups.
I mean, it was it wasn't a lot of them.
But even when they missed them, it was essentially just like a
past that happened to hit the rim.
Now, one of those was a goaltend that didn't get called on Zack,
ET, and that was a frustrating thing because, you know, he
goaltend Zone 1, he knocks the ball out of bounds, only for
Purdue to be given the ball inexplicably.
There were a couple of other places like that but you know,
it said you brought something up that there was a lot of talk on
the Reddit last night on college basketball regarding He who
played better Ed? Or Trace Jackson Davis, and it's
tough because, look, I don't know how many opposing players
have come in and thrown a 33 and 18 up in Assembly Hall.
I mean, that's, that's an insane number, you know, three blocks
on top of that, the only three blocks that Purdue had it's a
while. It's a very, it's a very good.
And this is the thing. It's like Trace Jackson, Davis
and Zach EDR. Very different players in terms
of what they have to do for their team.
Which makes it very difficult to try to effectively compare their
games. And you know, when I look at
this, and I think Mike, Woodson actually hit the nail on the
head, it's like, look, these were two All American players
that, you know, essentially played each other more or less
even and are, you know, I you Supporting Cast was slightly
better. But, you know, we think about
what Zaki does. That Katie is, is such a
security blanket for Purdue because you can very much
Utilize the throw it up at the rim and have him grab it because
he's bigger than everybody else approach.
And that's very hard to guard against.
He is he is the receiver Tres Jackson, Davis, a lot of times
is the receiver, but a lot of times is trying to also, or has
to be the facilitator, has to be the guy passing out of the post,
has to be the guy that resets the offense as opposed to being
the place where it's always going to go.
And that is, I think a really interesting thing, because when
you talk about like who's the, who's the And Player of the
Year. Evie is, if Purdue didn't have
Ed, they would not really exist as a team this year.
I mean, there's a lot about that team that really wouldn't work,
but you can say the same about Trace Jackson Davis.
I mean, you know, that's that's where it gets hard.
And the thing about it is, Edie has to play at this level in
order for Purdue to be good. And I don't know that that's
necessarily always the case with Trace Jackson Davis, but Trace
Jackson Davis, Has more to do to get his teammates involved in
the game. It's a very different dynamic
between the two players I think ultimately people will look at
ETS stats over the course of the season and say that's clearly
the player of the year and that may ultimately be the case.
And I'm sure if the roles were reversed would probably be
arguing for that, but I think it could almost make an argument
that Zaki T is the best player in the Big Ten.
But Trace Jackson. Davis is the most valuable
player in the Big Ten and understanding the
differentiation this game to me, kind of encapsulated that as
much as Thing. Yeah, it's awesome.
They guard each other for as much as they did.
You know, we went to race a little bit, but I would say, 80%
of the time Trace was guarding, Zach, ET and, and vice versa for
a lot of it. And, yeah, I mean, it was also
fun. Having I, you come to us in the
second half off offensively where there is two times where,
you know, you could see in Jackson Davis like he wanted to
post her eyes, a key D and it's like he's you could see here.
He wanted to go at him, he was up for the challenge.
There was a couple plays, the one play in the first half were
for, it's like, you could just see Jackson Davis wanted to
dunk. It's like, he's like trying to
find a way and it's like, I'm not like you could almost see
him go for the hook shot in the come back down.
Then he's like, and he dumped, and he got a Duncan and we have
the two times. He went up to poster, I ZT it
was wild. It was like he's going forward.
He took off a little bit too early and then it's also like,
oh yeah, I'm halfway in my ascent and I'm Zach Edie.
Still 74 and he's jumping. It's like this is not as easy,
but I love the fire. I like the like we're going to
go at him and you could definitely see it.
You know Indiana was not scared of Purdue.
They did not shrink from the moment it's you know, I'm gonna
stop talking about it because I think we need it's still part of
the tapestry of this season but it is so hard to reconcile just
a point. We don't need to dwell on this
but it's like this team had so much aggression.
So much like going at Purdue almost a chip on their shoulder.
It's like How is this the same team that looked lifeless at
Penn State? Don't want to get into?
It's like, that's a tough thing to reconcile with his team is
that you see this team here and much of the point with like Ed
and Purdue in a weird way, I would say this much like you say
you better player and most valuable player produce probably
the better team and probably going to have the better season
come March, but there's a reality where I look at Indiana
and when they're firing on all cylinders and all things are
going. Well, it I feel like Indiana
might have a higher ceiling as wild as that sounds were more
inconsistent, but it does feel like at times, we are a kind of
a higher ceiling team, whether will reach it for five or six
games in a row, probably not. But I didn't walk away from the
Purdue game last year, feeling, that way this year, I will, I
look at it. It's like man when we're firing
and we're doing well, we are a really good team.
I think both teams have an argument for having a higher
ceiling. Because I think what Purdue does
so well and you saw it. Last night is they have a level
of consistency and a comfort in what their roles are that, that
carries that travels throughout the course of games, and it's
what allowed them to get back into it.
And you know, they had possessions at the end where
they could have tied it or taking the lead what you know,
Indiana is erratic. I think would be the kindest
thing I can say about this Indiana team there.
If all, you know, any like any combination Of like the top
eight players that this Indiana team has if they're playing at
their Peak is as good as anybody in the country.
And I don't say that lightly. But this is if you look at the
heights of the players on this team and the things that they
can do physically, this is one of the most versatile teams in
terms of, what kind of looks it can throw at you in the
subtleties and how the players that are on the floor,
interacting with your players. There's you know, there's
certainly some rawness to the the team but Large with Tres
Jackson, Davis, Jalen Hood, Fino, Xavier Johnson, you know,
and, and, uh, portray Galloway. And at this point as well,
because he really has raised his game a lot the last few games,
you know, those players have the ability to go almost anywhere
with the basketball and put their teammates in positions
where they're in advantageous spots to make baskets or do
whatever. And then even you know, you get
down to that next level of role players that to me is Like the
fulcrum point right now for the season, you know, we've seen
what happens with Malik renew playing at a consistently high
level and I thought he was awesome against Purdue
yesterday, race Thompson, you know as much as people have been
critical of race and a pointed out that he is clearly not the
same player and he wasn't even necessarily playing that great
pre-injury. I mean that guy has been a
warrior and came up with so many important, you know, kind of in
the gutter sorts of plays yesterday including that steel
At the end, there is an intelligence and a you just a
toughness there that a lot of IU teams have just been missing and
it's those sorts of intangible pieces and you throw in you
know, Miller comic book. Uh no his stat line is his stat
line will not show it. He had six points.
You know, 142 from the lot are for 4 from the line, 14 to flew
from the field in 10 years. You look at that like man.
That's kind of a, you know, nothing performance from race.
It's like, no, he probably won the game, click without race
Thompson. He Made the plays.
And this is on top of the fact that at a very tough game at
Minnesota on the road. He was the right place went up
got fouled, had two free throws that then you know Trace Jackson
Davis got that but sack race was instrumental in US, beating
Minnesota as well. No.
And I'm as guilty as any with five minutes to go I'm kind of
like maybe we should have renew instead of racing here but this
is why you have race and like shame on me for saying that and
he made the right place and you could see it.
Like, I'm, I'm watching Purdue in that last possession.
And it's like, they are not even looking at it.
They are trying to get a 3. You could see it.
They wanted. They wanted to take a 3 and all
credit to race, like they ran that play.
Once when, you know, Braden Smith goes down the middle and
like kicks it out to the side and they couldn't find it, they
kick it all around. It's are they don't go to ed2
inside outside but like, they're like Grace is in the perfect
spot and he made that play, he made a couple other rebate like
it's, he is anyway, sorry. But it's like, it's so important
what he's done, but it's like, he's basically been an integral
part of two major wins. The last A couple of weeks after
coming back from an injury, where he felt, you know, I'm
sure he thought a lot of us did we may not see him again this
season? The we're going to finish up the
point. I was trying to make though
which was, I agree with all that.
I think that the key right now for Indiana is race Thompson,
Malik renewed, Jordan Geronimo, Tamar, Bates, Miller cop like
what you get out of those players on a night in Night Out
bases. And obviously, you know, if and
Wednesday of your Johnson's able to come back in, you know, Add
somebody that like I feel pretty good right now about what I'm
getting nightly out of Trace Jackson, Davis and Jalen Hurd
Cioppino. Yeah, I mean and in yes, they're
gonna have bad games here and there, but this is where as a
team you have to learn how to win games, you know, with the
whole group and going back to the original point that you
made, that's what makes Indiana ceiling so high.
And you see what they did in that first half against Purdue,
that's kind of the fully blossomed.
I you where everything is firing on all cylinders, the only thing
that marred That was a couple of stupid fouls, but even then it
was a very unevenly called first half.
So I don't even know how much to blame Indiana for that when you
and you mentioned foul. So sorry to jump it on fouls but
I was actually unbelievably impressed with how we handled
fouls like jail hijjah, Fino. Got his second foul with like I
don't like 13 minutes to go in the first half and he goes and
sits down and credit to Mike Woodson like he doesn't do the
yo you have 2008 you're sitting to the end of the first half you
know there came a point where it's like I got down like 10 or
11. It's I remember thinking like,
man, you know, Purdue could cut this under 10 and I felt like
there was something symbolic about keeping it above 10 at
half time, and Valentino came back in and played like, seven,
very important minutes, and never got a foul.
And I was thinking, I would love to have known.
Like, was that him going to Woodsen big?
Hey man, I can do it was what's insane?
Like, hey man, like this is a moment for you to show me, but
he did that, you know, fouls kind of became an issue in that
first half. You had Malik renew.
I think with to race got three. But to I use credit it never
became an issue. It could have really caused some
issues had Malik renew, gotten two, three, four, fouls of race
would have fouled out, like we were close but nobody really got
into foul trouble, the rest of the game, you know, jail hits,
Rafi, do things different. If he gets a third foul in the
first half and he sits and then he, you know what?
If he starts the second half and gets a quick foul like we could
have let fouls get to us and honestly once it got to that
point where it's like, oh I'm getting nervous.
It didn't become an issue, the rest of the game, and all credit
to You and the players for, you know, playing within the game
but not having the fact that Malik renew played as much as he
did guarding, the guys he did and only had two fouls.
That's awesome. Yeah, I mean some of the things
to think about with this game and just kind of in general what
we saw coming out of it. The the what, I mean, what I
really want to see out of this Indiana team moving forward, is
this continued effort at when the offense starts to break
down, you know, where can you get Offense restarted.
And and I think this is actually, when I look at Jalen
Hurd Jaffe know, and what he's been able to accomplish this
far, that's really where he's improved.
So much over the course of the last several weeks is, is his
ability to just kind of dig in and find spots and get shots up
and sometimes the shots aren't great but they do Den dat a
loosening impact on where the defense is playing.
I also think Trey Galloway's done a good job of this as well.
Like his ability when Trace Jackson Davis was being
completely walled off in the post to get his body.
In there, you know, he had that great jump.
Stop, fake shot at it towards the end of the second half.
That was just a crucial bucket and, and probably was the most
surprising bucket that we got out of tray Galloway.
I think in a while because it was it was so subtle and it
through the defender, completely off that that you know what, you
know, Trey Galloway when he's playing at his best can be a you
know I'm not a primary score because obviously that's going
to be traced. Jackson Davis, but you feel
confident with him handling the ball, a lot more.
So at this point than you do with Tamar Bates, handling, the
ball because Bates is just so incredibly left-handed and and
he's so, you know, he can get some spot shots, you know, from
the perimeter off and that's fine.
But with the ball, in his hands, you'd rather have Trey Galloway
out there and watching him maneuver through that Purdue
defense on a number of occasions.
Yesterday was really awesome to see.
These are the contributions I use got Keep having and you know
I look at it like this, I thought that again fans
overreacted to the Maryland loss.
It's hard to win on the road in the Big Ten and we just saw
Indiana prove that by beating Purdue who was playing on the
road in the Big Ten. And I think we're gonna probably
going to see that again with this Rutgers game coming up
where yes Rutgers has had Indiana's number but it's hard
to win on the road in the Big Ten and while Rutgers is
legitimately good. Indiana is legitimately good.
But Indiana's only legitimately good if they're getting
contributions from people, all over the floor.
That's what I've seen out of them.
That was what made that five game win streak, what it was, it
wasn't just an Indiana was winning, but it was that you
would get that core of two or three players doing well.
And then you'd have one or two players really chipping in and
doing something above and beyond what we normally seeing out of
them. And so, That you know, Indiana's
got the second toughest schedule in the Big Ten remaining because
of course they do. You know that they've got a
there on the road. They've got four Road games,
they've got a home game against Rutgers.
They've got a home game against Illinois.
They've got a home game against Iowa and the road games are, as,
at this point, with maybe the exception of the Michigan game.
They're all against teams that are projected to be in the NCAA
tournament. And so, you know, again, it's
funny because as we About on the last podcast, you were worried
that they were going to lose both of these home games and be
behind the eight ball going down.
This very difficult, stretch in conference play.
Well, they haven't done that. Now, are they going to win the
second one that to me, is the next acid test for this IU,
basketball team? It's like, are you just had a
huge win against your biggest rival?
Who was number one? Now, can you turn around against
the team that's had your number for the last four years?
Basically. And can you pull off a victory
at home? Home in a game that you are
going to be projected to win, you're going to be favored in
but you're going up against the team that literally has no
respect for. You doesn't fear.
You isn't concerned about what you do because you haven't
demonstrated anything. You know this is this is going
to be fascinating to watch because ultimately I've been so
impressed with how Mike Woodson has galvanized the team around
this idea that they need to have a tougher mentality that they
need to ask more of themselves that they need to.
You know, give something a lot of the criticisms of Mike
Woodson earlier in the season, with his substitution patterns,
you know, certainly he made some mistakes and I'm not absolving
him of those mistakes. But I'll also say he put players
in a position where they could execute and they didn't execute
and the big difference. Honestly, over the course of the
last month has been the players have started executing, you
know, very rarely. Have we seen at least at home a
player go out there. Get significant minutes and not
contribute something. Even Kayla Banks, who
regrettably. We didn't.
See in the second half yesterday came in for seven minutes in the
first half because of the Fowler's shoes and really gave
some tremendous contributions. Probably should have had a
couple more points than he ended up having, you know, Woodson has
really settled in on a small group of people that he feels
like, he's going to get something out of and he hasn't
really worried about trying to integrate the people who aren't
in that group and where it's going to matter down the road
for Indiana here, against Rutgers.
And then beyond is Will the players react to and take
advantage of the opportunities that Woodson's giving them by
putting them on the floor by contributing the Maryland game
was troubling because a bunch of guys didn't contribute but to
watch so many different players contribute in the ways that they
did against Purdue says, okay? This team is on the precipice of
being able to do that more consistently and on the road.
And that's what I'm really going to be watching out for the next
couple of weeks. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned
Caleb Banks, he had a great look, just great contribution in
the first half just all effort. Making things happen.
I thought he was use a big part of it and you Trey Galloway,
it's interesting. You know, that's all, you know,
you know, at this point Trace checks and Davis is good for
his, you know, 22 and 12. Which, by the way is, like, it's
mind-boggling to think that this just were assuming a
double-double every night out of him.
But we are, you know, outside of a couple of bad shooting games,
Jalen Hood should be, no is also pretty solid.
And then yet, like you said, it's kind of the rest of the
group is, you're wondering where they're going to fit in, but
trig outweigh start to put Together in the sense that he's
got that little floater when he takes, it's like, I'm very
confident going in. Like he's starting to build
pieces of his game where like I'm very confident that he can
do that like Miller cop when he shoots I'm confident he's going
to make, he just got a confidently shoot it and you
know be aggressive when he's shooting but yeah Trey Galloway
is putting together a game where it's like, yeah that little curl
screen. You gotta you can't let him have
that because he will hit that floater 100% of the time and
looking ahead to Rutgers You took the words out of my mouth.
I'm fascinated by this game. It's in a way.
It's like I wish we had, you know, Minnesota at home just to
get another Victory and keep moving on.
But on the flip side, like this is a really nice litmus test for
this team the and it's like the perfect opponent.
It's it's like that, that same time line between Purdue and
Michigan. Last year, you got Purdue and
Rutgers and then it's like it's a team that everything you said,
has no respect for us is not going to be might even be less
scared than Purdue coming in. Because we at least we beat Last
year, we played a really tough at Mackey.
Like we've shown no ability and do that to Rutgers.
They're not going to be rattled and it's like, it's this is
great that like there's another hurdle being put in front of
this team right away and I'm fascinated to see how they come
out. I'm going to be bummed if they
come out flat and let Rutgers push them around.
I don't think that's going to happen.
And I now see a path where they win both these games and they've
really kind of changed the paradigm.
Of the season and where this team could go and yeah, it's
really cool. It's cool.
But yeah the the Rutgers gave to me is just I'm not eating not
ready to totally break it down and preview it yet, but it is
fascinating to me how that game is going to play out and how
Indiana is going to look and go about, you know, preparing an
attack in that game. Yeah, it's going to be
interesting and I think just largely one of those situations
where that look, all of this is to say Indiana has to play at a
level of intensity that matches. What we saw in that Purdue game,
they're not always going to have the assembly whole crowd and
and, you know, when you look at and I guess what I was trying to
get at earlier, as you look at these two teams Purdue is the
consistent, one Purdue is the one that's going out and putting
out really good efforts and taking care of themselves and
games were one or one thing or another thing.
Isn't working Indiana's. Not quite there yet.
Indiana when everybody's going off is so hard to beat.
But they still have a tendency to fall into bad habits, that's
going to be the challenge for this Indiana team, the rest of
the way. I mean, they've at this point,
they've more or less put themselves in a position where
unless they literally lose out there, going to go to the NCAA
tournament. You know, they have enough wins,
they have enough of, you know, enough overall momentum right
now but this team, never just had the ambition of making the
NCAA tournament. You know, this, this team was
talking about winning a Big, Ten title was Talking about making a
Deep Run in March. And we've seen where, and how
the pieces can work at their maximum, you know, impact.
Now they have to start doing it more consistently and that, you
know, it can't just be traced Jackson Davis because he will
wear out eventually the, you know, the way that he's playing,
I don't see how it's sustainable, you know, and so
much is on his shoulders. He's got to start getting more
help, Jalen a jiffy. No, yes, you're going to have
the occasional bad game from him.
But that's a player who is really starting to come into his
own and really starting to, I think not just be a reliable
option for Indiana every night. He's be asked to do three or
four different things I talked about this with, with Jared on
the podcast last night. He's a player that I think a lot
about you fans will struggle to ever fully embrace, the way that
they've embraced, some former IU players, but he right now, I
look good. I look is unreal, he is and I
look at him and I see See a player that could absolutely hit
another gear over the last third of the Season, you know, and I
think we saw, we saw some of that in this game.
We saw some of that in the Ohio State game.
And yeah, you're going to have a Maryland every now again, but
that will make a huge difference.
And ultimately, you know, if you have two players that play like
that on a nightly basis, it's a lot easier than just having one
playing like that on a nightly basis with Tres Jackson Davis.
And that's where, if you get this tree Galloway every time
out You're going to win a lot more games than you lose and
we'll see what happens with it. But that's really I think of as
many and I actually we talked about this on the pregame pod
the 11:40 team was kind of like this.
They had you know a really efficient score in the post and
they had players that had never really hit a certain level of
potential and then they all started hitting on all cylinders
from the beginning of February until losing to Kentucky in the
sweet 16 that year. And the I think this team has a
higher ceiling than that. At team did, to be honest with
you, but I also think that this team probably has more to
overcome to get to that ceiling. Then that team.
Did you said something that I want to highlight real quick,
you mentioned just talking about you Indiana, and how they've got
to get the consistency down. If they can get that
consistency, they can you know, play better and but but you
know, but they're solidly in the tournament.
And this is, you know, I'm guilty of this at times as well,
but I think this is the trouble with a fan base where we've been
outside looking in. In so long on the tournament and
in a way in 2012 to, you know, we happen to the tournament a
while but it's worse now because we've had so many more stretches
of not making the tournament that, you know, that Maryland
game. It's like, you look at it and I
think it's hard for a lot of IU fans to sometimes reconcile,
just remember. And again, I'm in this Camp to
that, you know, when you mention a team like you can play really
well at home and as a little bit inconsistent but has the pieces
that could be there. It's like yeah, that's what if
32 a six seed in the tournament looks like, like, I know that
from the outside looking in, it's like Jesus.
All these teams are so good and like, they're just crushing,
it's like, they'll go look at like the resume of a four seed
in the tournament every year. Like they have weird stretches,
their inconsistent and like there's the teams that are the
one seeds are the one scenes for a reason because they're like
Purdue and they go on 12-game winning streak like most of the
teams in the tournament have highs and have lows and it is
weird. You have to kind of recalibrate
and remember like this is kind of Profile.
If we beat Rutgers and we kind of finished top three in the Big
Ten, like this, the profile, the 45C, like this is, that's what
it is. Like, four or five, see teams
pissed away games every year. Like, that's what?
That's why they're not one seeds as why there are the tournament
and less time we pissed away game, but it's like it is, it's
just like when you're outside looking in, you think everyone
above you is like in this lofty air.
It's like it's really only three or four teams that are in that
like man they had a they crush it this year, everyone else has
a bunch of questions. If you go into that fan base
that they're freaking out, just we haven't had a 14 profile for
so long. It's like I'm not sure we can
look at it like oh, this is what it is because we think it's
something better than that. It should have like a 12-game,
winning streak. Well, sorry, go ahead, no.
All that's well taken and the other thing that I think being
on the sidelines for so long you lose track of is the
n-c-double-a tournament is not like it used to be last year in
the regional finals. Here's what you had, you had a
one seed, attend seed, a five seed.
Seed a 15 seed and eight seed, a four seed and a two seed, what
does that tell you? It tells you that it's not.
I mean the resume is important but what really matters is how
you're playing at that. Time of year are things coming
together for you? Have you figured out your
identity, and yeah, there's some luck involved, you know?
And you could have a great season and have it all go awry.
Surprisingly, because you ran into a bad matchup or you could
be, you know, I mean Illinois last year was a good.
Sample of that. Like, you know, they have a they
have a pretty good year. They have a surprising loss in
the Big Ten Tournament they end up as a four seed in the NCAA
tournament. They run into Houston in the
second round and lose this stuff happens.
It's hard to Tennessee. Last year was the same thing
there in a Michigan and who thought Michigan that Michigan
team that lost to Indiana blew a 15-point lead in the last 10
minutes of the game would make it to the Sweet 16.
My point is, yes, it's easy to get overwrought.
A little bit about, I use results on a game by game.
You have to look at it a little bit more broadly than that.
And the trend line for this team is pointing in an upwards
Direction. Now, how high up it gets, I
don't know. A lot of that's going to depend
on how they're able to circle the wagons, because it's going
to be really hard to get up emotionally for another game on
the schedule, the same way, they got up for this Purdue game, but
if they can bottle, what they did in this game, in terms of
how they played with each other, that we'll have a really
positive impact on what they were able to do the rest of the
way, anyway. Anything else before we wrap up?
No. Well, we have some big news to
announce. So, we had a lot of the Assembly
Hall crowd here this weekend, meet and greet Gail.
And I have decided to do an event together.
This coming Tuesday, and I'm really proud.
You took some time and coordination, you know, we have
a great venue. So we're going to have a meet
and greet on the North Concourse of Assembly Hall.
Now, I think they're selling tickets for this.
It's, we're going to, we're going to open the doors around
like 5:30. I think the tickets already went
on sale, so I apologize. And I'm not sure, I talked to, I
you like they might have another event going on, like, possibly
an event on the court, but there will be a meet and greet at
probably around, like, 7:30 for Scott and Galen at Northside,
and I'm joking. But we're going to work and came
together. So, yeah, this is a.
I didn't know where you were going with that.
So there we go. No, yeah, we this, we have one
game a year. Where Scott gives you this year,
dr. We did Arizona.
We do. Derek, let's that didn't count
though because that wasn't an assembly whole affair with a
good record in these games to, I mean, we saw the Creighton game
together a few years ago and you and yep.
We we try it. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Generally generally the these are winning games.
So this is a good idea. But now actually if anybody is
around and we do normally meet up on the North Concourse on,
that little kind of Sky Bridge area of a some of those of you
who want to come over at halftime and say hi.
The Rutgers game by all means do.
So we booked Assembly Hall at their, it tickets are on sale, I
do the secondary markets, a real event.
I gotta say as much as I might have complained about this on
the last podcast. There's much as I complain about
9 p.m. starts and and how difficult those are on my psyche
and complain about 6:30, then to you can't.
I kind of do though. It's so like if you're a if
you're a person with kids or you have a job and you don't get off
work until like 5:00, And I don't mean in Bloomington.
That's one thing I know in in the apples you have to leave
work early. It's really hard to do.
Everything you need to do then turn around.
Get to the stadium by 6:30. Now you know, it could be worse
like we talked about Butler's playing games at like 6 p.m.
because of the Fox television deal.
But yeah it makes for an interesting transition but I'm
looking forward to it. I, I'm curious not just to see
how the team reacts. I'm really curious to see how
the crowd Crowd reacts. Yes.
And I'm curious to see if they are because of the one problem.
I think with a Tuesday early evening game is that it just
you're not quite in the mood for basketball.
It's like someone saying walking into your office at like 3:30 in
the afternoon and say, hey, let's go.
Get a steak dinner, you're like I I don't think I can do that.
Like, I need, I need my steak and like, 7:30, like I know I'm
going to sit there and eat a T-bone at 3:45 in the afternoon.
It just, it's No apps, yes, straight to say.
Um, but you know, so I'm worried.
It'll take the crowd a little bit of time to get worked up.
And I also a little bit concerned about the, the, you
know, where the team is at emotionally, but I think we'll
find out pretty quickly. I said that before this Purdue
game, it's like, you know, we're going to find out real fast if
Indiana's into this game and they absolutely were and look, I
think, you know, since that Northwestern game, they've done
a much better job of coming out and getting into the games right
away. It's just, they got to do it
again here and this Rutgers Um is no joke.
I mean, this Rutgers team was down six and a half in Madison
Square Garden to Michigan State this weekend.
And, you know, I when I saw that game on the schedule, I was like
God. I mean, I mean Purdue gets to
play Penn State in the palestra. Which is not their home court
and Michigan state gets to go and not play in the rack when
they play Rutgers. And and yet matter, it didn't
matter, you know, the Rutgers ends up winning that game and
it's going to be really fascinating because Got they
have a really tough stretch coming up, they got Indiana on
the road and then they got Illinois on the road.
And these next to that is, that is a huge combination and
that'll really decide what direction they're season goes,
but not should be good. I'm sure.
We'll get the crowd fired up. Maybe we could give everybody
like a can of, or maybe a cup of coffee or something walking in
and just try to get everybody. Artificially buzzed a little
bit. I did want to say, one last
thing, the court storming at the end Let's talk about it.
Okay. I have a heart.
I have a very hard take on it. Go ahead.
And this is, this is changed over time.
My take is, I'm 100% fine with it.
Like, you get to be in college for four years, you know, you
only have your, for, no matter, you know, we you and I have seen
a bunch of great games. We've had great moments, and
like, but we only got to be at IU as college students in the
college seats for four years, and you only get a very short
time to do it and so that, you know, all of these Rules is what
sucks about baseball at times. Like all these rules, you can't
do this, can't do that. It's like, you're here for four
years. You're 19.
You don't care about like tradit, you care about
attrition, it's like have fun with it and I would say this,
take that out of it, as you mentioned, with Osterman, in
your preview pod, you know, number one, team coming to play
an assembly hall. Doesn't happen all the time and
then us beating them that number one.
Team has only happened in Assembly Hall, wet like four
times and then it also being Arrival.
I mean, this is something that we may never see again in our
lifetime. Just that the combination of
Purdue being number, one, being arrival and beating them.
Like, there's a lot of things here going on.
I mean, we haven't been the number one team in the country
in Assembly Hall since Kentucky. Is it just, it doesn't happen
that often. It's a cool moment.
Yeah, we're both ranked. Who cares?
That that's my take is who cares?
We're here to have fun like let's have fun with this.
No one as long as no one's getting hurt and no one's, you
know, being aggressive or hurting the other players.
I'm % fine with it. That's my chain.
Yes, I agree with all of that. I just there's a couple
different things I'll say on this.
First of all, I mean, you hit the nail on the head.
These are 18 to 22 year olds. There's been no accomplishments
of note for IU basketball during their time here and that was a
legitimately exciting game. It's legitimate exciting to rush
the court, I think it's great. That people are excited about
something going on with IU basketball.
And the people who criticize this by and large, have just
they're living in an era that doesn't exist anymore.
Indiana hasn't been successful. Indiana hasn't been a top
program. This this was an upset, Indiana,
upset a top-ranked. Purdue team at home.
That's okay. Yes.
We beat Purdue a lot at home, but we haven't beaten them that
much at home in the last, like decade to me.
It's heartening that people still come to IU.
And they're interested in a basketball program.
That's been essentially middle of the road for 20 plus years
and I'm excited. 25 plus years, I'm excited that the fans are
still excited. The students were so pumped up
this whole last couple of days, you know, to watch campus and
Entire Community, kind of get re galvanized in a way that we just
haven't seen that often. A lot of the people criticizing
the court storm in their heads, it's still 1989, you know, but
it's kind of like when I did that little food podcast the
other day. It's like hey, I know that you
love going to Nix and mother bears and zag grabs.
Maybe try some other things out, I feel the same way about a lot
of our fans when it comes to, the way they think about our
basketball program. I know you love living in 1987
and 1993 but those don't exist right now.
They just don't. And I hope that they come back
games like last night, or what are going to help those times
come back, getting the students legitimately excited and enough
that they will go Rush the floor because you beat a number one,
team helps to re-establish where Indiana was culturally and
basketball. That's things have to happen.
Make it happen. I'd love to get to the point
where you don't rush the floor after you beat number one at
home, but that's probably that happens.
I think almost anywhere in college.
Basketball at this point. Not just Indiana versus Purdue
now, you beat number one. Yeah, so I just have all the fat
bald and of all the dumb things though that.
I mean, I guess we're Tate's me is, you know, for rece Davis to
make some kind of a comment about that after the game is
over on the broadcast. It's like, again, Reese, your
image of Indiana basketball. God bless you is of an era that
doesn't exist right now and trying to get back up to that as
important. The idea that IU is somehow
above Of that level, you can't do that.
You can't say that on the one hand, and then on the other
hand, you have an opportunity to do College GameDay for number
one, versus number 21. And instead you choose to do a
college game day for to unranked, ACC teams, like you
can't on the one hand say, well, I you should be above that and
on the other hand treat them like a secondary or tertiary
team, you're probably right. Like, you know, more people are
interested in duke-north Carolina because those have been
more successful programs. So I just I look at it all and I
say It's it's great that there's that level of energy and
enthusiasm among the IU students that they want to rush the court
and it was a cool Court storm. This is one of the, the tough
legacies of night era gave us a lot of great things but, you
know, I remember the court storm.
When we beat Michigan State in like 0, 1 or 0 0, you hasten
hits the three and that was a great game.
But it also felt like remember that was like, people were
taking pictures like, oh my God, we storm the court because like
you didn't do that under night and that the problem was like,
It's fine in 76 and 81 that you're winning titles.
You're winning a tons. Like you can have that
arrogance. But you and I lived through the
era of like, hey, we have the arrogance, we don't have the
winds to back it up, and then night was gone and then it's
like that felt very much like, wow, this is fun.
Like, we can beat teams and storm that.
Like, do the things that other programs are allowed to do.
Like, I don't know, have shoe deals and like real apparel and
real recruit, so we can storm the court like.
And so it is it's weird that that Legacy Because people
really enjoyed it that time, it's like they're taking
pictures. It's like and they didn't happen
for a while and it's like we've kind of gone back into that.
That's not the way we do things. Like know people wanted to do it
and they as early as 2001 movie Michigan State.
So I mean that's the truth. You that's not so much joking.
Tongue-in-cheek. About doing it all the time.
But yeah, it's fun. And this really is a, it's fine.
It's just it's great to years and only be produced during the
court you're both. It's both an upset.
Go for it. So much of the austerity
surrounding IU basketball and the asceticism of being an IU
fan. That's how bob Knight wanted it.
And bob Knight was able to get that hap to happen because his
teams won so many games and astonishing clip and that so you
can you can force your crowd to be austere when it comes to, you
know, you're not going to have people when body paint and
you're not going to have a student section.
You're not going to have all those things.
You can afford to do that. Rudy, right?
You can afford to do that. That if you're winning games
like that, when you're not doing that anymore, it's not a we're
better than that or we, you know, we we are more dedicated
to decorum than the other two. You're just a team that isn't
having fun and isn't winning at that point.
And this is the thing that drives me nuts and look, I'm I
was weaned in the night era and I understand the perspective of
IU basketball being special and it is special.
But I've, you know, one of the things about IU, That's Unique
is how rabid the fan base wants to be because of how much it
cares about the sport. And you know, even a team like
North Carolina, who has fans all over the place and has been one
of the most successful programs their fans come across as if
feet and kind of distanced from things and Indiana is not quite
like that like Indiana is a lot more earthy and kind of you know
it's more of a populist sort of brand the North Carolina is
which is very much kind of an elitist brand.
And look, bob Knight had his own little foibles and his own
preferences about how he wanted things conducted and that was
very much with the Zeitgeist of the time but so much of what
Indiana fans from that era have tried to impose upon everybody
else is the style of that. With none of the substance that
actually made it. What it was.
And so that's where I find it really fascinating.
I know some people probably not like what I'm saying here and
that's fine. We can agree to disagree on this
but all of that said, I look at the court storm and I'm like,
man, that's awesome. I'm glad that there's some
Memories being formed there, some actual emotional bonds
between those students and the team, the program, the success
of the program. Because man, we've had so many
classes of students that have come through Indiana, who
haven't gotten those moments who haven't been able to enjoy those
things, who haven't been able to fully celebrate, that's how you
that's why football has so few fans because they've been so few
moments like that over the course of time, you know.
And you can look at that and say that we're above, that is
Indiana. But reality is, that's what
helps to form those bonds for the future.
So anyway, that was Wrap that up Scott is always a pleasure and I
will look forward to talking with you all coming up soon.
Indiana versus Rutgers on Tuesday.
Also on Tuesday we'll have the IU Women's Basketball.
Show with Amanda Foster big game for the women today as they take
on Purdue good luck to the Hoosiers in that one, thanks to
our friends at home field apparel and the back home
network for Scott. I'm Galen.
This is Crimson Castle, catch you folks on the flipside.
Bring back the Bison. So long, everybody.