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Welcome back to Crimson, Cask 

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ale, and klaviyo joining you 
here as we are in the midst of 

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feast week. 
I really missed college 

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basketball. 
I didn't realize how much, but 

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it's been a great week for 
college basketball, and it's 

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really getting me primed up for 
next week when the Big Ten ACC 

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challenge. 
Starts and we get to see Indiana

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at Syracuse. 
A lot of fun things going on 

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some fascinating games. 
I've got a great pair of 

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gentlemen, joining me here, 
Scott my co-host and co-founder 

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of crimson cast joining me and 
Tony had Rania also joining us. 

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I guess you could say, Scott. 
I'll start with you. 

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Good to see you and talk to you 
again and Happy Thanksgiving in 

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advance. 
How you doing? 

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I'm doing great. 
We're talking basketball. 

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We're not talking. 
I you produce. 

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This is Fantastic. 
Yeah, this is a we're going to 

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try to keep this as emotionally 
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possibly can over the course of 
the the 45 minutes or so that we

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talk, Tony always a pleasure to 
talk with you. 

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How has the last couple of 
months, been treating you? 

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Yeah, it's great to be back here
on Crimson cast and as you 

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mentioned great to be part of 
the back home network. 

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So, super excited about that. 
Collaboration that we've all 

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have going on there, but last 
couple months have been great in

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terms of Watching some some 
college hoops. 

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Like you said, that's been 
awesome. 

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And then I use starting out for 
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well. 
Just a couple of notes before we

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get started gents. 
I don't know what your apparel 

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Back home network has a great 
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this is kind of the time to do 
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We're very excited about that. 

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And again, it's for everybody 
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nothing to type in just to 20% 
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Anything you guys have your eyes

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on that, you're interested in 
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the next week. 
Or so. 

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I'm looking at sweatshirts that 
aren't the, the hoodies and 

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definitely Slippery Rock every 
morning. 

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Wait. 
Are we going to occurs? 

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We're not losing you too big 
crew. 

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Neck. 
Are we Scott? 

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No. 
No, I'm just, I'm, I have a 

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bunch of hoodies. 
I'm going just the straight 

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sweatshirt. 
It's, they're so comfy. 

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All right, Tony, you, I'm all in
on the crew. 

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Net game. 
Wow. 

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You know, about that, my hashtag
take her. 

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Now. 
My wife's big on crew necks. 

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And that's the first time in our
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I'm just kind of like, I don't 
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but now that'll be interesting 
though, but there's some good 

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stuff on there. 
Go check it out. 

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A lot of great IU stuff is 
normal. 

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We're also the crew necks and 
divorce. 

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Maybe maybe you know, I mean, I 
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So if you know, worse comes to 
worse, we'll go that direction. 

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Anyway, let's dive in and talk 
about this IU basketball team 

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for a no. 
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Sadly. 
This is the longest winning 

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streak that I use been on in 
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I think, you know, they went 
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a three-game winning streak, and
that was the longest winning 

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streak. 
They'd been on what since the 

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last time they won three games 
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December 10th to Saturday, 
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So it had been it'll have a full
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last time they won. 
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The last of those four games was
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Tuesday? 
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I'm sorry. 
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December, the 21st of December 
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And the last time they won four 
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Remember they had that 8? 
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Start back in the 2019 2020 
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Devonte green game. 
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gentlemen, IU, 4, and 0 Scott. 
Let me start with both of you. 

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I'll start with you on this 
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Like what? 
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Ins maybe over a minute or so 
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In what you've seen out of them 
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I really do like the depth. 
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Sunday against Louisiana, where,
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like race and traced in play as 
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And you saw guys like, you know,
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of Anthony Leo come in and do 
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You know, I feel really good 
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does feel like between Xavier 
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A little bit of Miller cop. 
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kind of coming on because you're
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games out of those for any one 
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race and Trace or bolts just 
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consistent. 
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and I feel like that's what even
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didn't have like we needed one 
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didn't have enough stable guys, 
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of, like Tamar Bates type to 
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it's just not going to happen. 
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you know, Miller cop. 
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Category where you're probably 
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one of them, every four or five 
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It's just like, there's four or 
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So, it's like, one of them can 
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seeing the fight with this team.
CB seeming Xavier Johnson, kind 

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of Take the Lead, kind of handle
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And you're starting to see kind 
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this team kick away as they 
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free, a little more fun. 
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mentioned many times. 
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basketball seems to be coming 
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They're not looking to the 
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remember the play where, you 
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John's game, like got a 
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like moved and got called for 
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It's like Xavier Johnson went 
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little bit and then it was like,
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like you would have been brought
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hey, don't do that again. 
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engage in that, which is 
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I'll ask you the same question. 

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What has stood out? 
What have been the biggest 

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Impressions you've gotten off 
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Yeah. 
Just kind of to Echo Scott. 

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I mean it's been so positive 
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This team hasn't really since 
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There's pretty much been zero 
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Public public facing adversity, 
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internal. 
Bubbles and things in practice 

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guys. 
Getting suspended, whatnot, but 

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everything's been so positive. 
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for adversity, to hit to see how
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that's when through the Archie 
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that was when, like, you end up 
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whatever. 
It was back, a few years ago. 

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So I'm not complaining. 
It's been so positive. 

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It's been a breath of fresh air.
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terms of playstyle and things 
watching the guys like you said 

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free-flowing, almost a little 
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Against Louisiana, in terms of 
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But again, my question goes in 
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He kind of jokes about it. 
Like, what does that mean? 

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Means a lot of running tomorrow.
Like, you know, it's, it's just 

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a breath of fresh air. 
It's not a, it's not a bunch of 

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like coach speak. 
Mike. 

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Woodson is just very, very open 
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is and takes accountability. 
He's like look, you know today 

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it's on me. 
I got to get the guys better 

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prepared or better in those 
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So I've Boyd thoroughly enjoyed 
the Mike, Woodson era. 

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To this point. 
I've enjoyed watching this team 

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play in four games and overall 
just a really, really positive 

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vibe. 
Yeah, I agree. 

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I think that I've been to three 
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and what is stuck out in each of
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the players are giving off while
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But it's just there's there's a 
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that did not exist at all. 
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frankly, I would argue didn't 
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didn't happen a lot under the 
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certainly not in the last five 
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There was a tightness to a lot 
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exist. 
So far, now obviously Indiana's 

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played four teams only one of 
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outside shot at winning, you 
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tournament, but even in non 
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that I use played, it's felt 
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And there really is, I think a 
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maybe Joy is too strong of a 
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least this idea that what 
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death. 
Every time they're going down 

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the floor. 
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relief to what we've seen out of
the She Miller era that era. 

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It really did feel like guys 
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mistakes. 
They were terrified of making 

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mistakes on offense, on defense,
whatever, and maybe they still 

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are. 
And we just haven't seen it come

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out yet, but it doesn't feel 
that way at this point. 

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So go ahead one and taking it 
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because it will focus on some of
the players. 

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Obviously, on this podcast, will
talk about some of them, you 

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know, I've been to two of the 
games or wife. 

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Was it a third game, you know, 
the thing that I've noticed in, 

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you mentioned this on Twitter 
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John's game that At that 
positivity and feeling has 

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permeated the rest of the 
program and the fanbase in that 

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the st. 
John's game. 

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You know, again, this is kind of
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how an eye, you hire a former 
player would affect, you know, 

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the program until we have it. 
You know, I didn't fully realize

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kind of how dead isn't the right
word, but just had a kind of how

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non Assembly Hall. 
Assembly hall turned into from 

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Levi perspective. 
Once that st. 

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John's game was like, oh, it was
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electricity. 
It's like well, It's different 

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like the students feel a little 
more fired up. 

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Like the crowd felt more 
energized if you were there you 

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felt it. 
And as I you know, I think 

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that's palpable. 
I think the way the schedule 

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lays out. 
They're going to win a bunch 

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more home games. 
Like I look at the schedule. 

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They could theoretically have 
been based on Ken Palm. 

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They're only predicted to lose 
two home games this year. 

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It's that Purdue Michigan 
back-to-back weekend. 

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I've said for a while. 
I think they're going to catch 

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one of those in which could mean
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It is losing one game at home 
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energy just for st. 
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where there was a lot of reasons
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crowd. 
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Assembly Hall is going to be 
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again, be that tough place to 
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and I remember in like the 90s 
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that maybe they shouldn't have. 
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Michigan game, but that's the 
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of its expanded outside the team
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Just it just feels. 
Different if you're there, yeah,

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Tony one of the things that is 
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it's a very different style of 
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really the last. 
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somebody posted this and I feel 
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who it was that. 
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but they noted that this is the 
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Indiana has played, since the 
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bob Knight was the head coach 
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possessions per game 
offensively. 

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The, you know, they've, they've 
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before that, that last that 
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very good. 
The 2014 year. 

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They averaged, they were 60 
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margin like three or four. 
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the nation in tempo right now, 
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we've seen them in a long time. 
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I mean, I think, to some degree,
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turnover issues to moving at 
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get things in their minds about 
where people are supposed to be.

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But it is interesting that the 
this pot. 

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I mean, do you think the 
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about and the vibe thing is that
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approach, the basketball 
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out on the floor right now by 
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I think that's a big part of it.
I think some of it is just 

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overall coaching philosophy and 
style in terms of building 

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players up and not breaking them
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I mean, Mike, what's in his talk
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about the confidence that he has
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And you know, he's not going to 
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not going to tell him you can't 
do this, you know, so confidence

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boosting is a big part of what 
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we saw it. 
Throughout the Archie Miller 

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error, guys did not have 
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Whether that be shooting the 
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taking care of the basketball. 
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you're not seeing that this 
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I mean, I think of Christian 
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guy that came in struggled early
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then his confidence was gone and
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And so, I think some of it 
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philosophy and then just how the
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style, like, that's A fun style 
to play, you get up and guys 

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stuff on the defensive end. 
You're denying passing Lane, 

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you're creating turnovers. 
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difference from the Archie. 
Miller era is they're creating 

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turnovers on the defensive end 
and that's turning in the quick 

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offense. 
Right? 

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And, and so, that's, that's a 
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Too is. 
That's, that's a fun style to 

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play. 
You know, when you can steal the

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ball and throw a lob up, the 
tray, shacks and Davis for a 

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dunk and assembly Halls roaring.
Like, that's a lot of fun. 

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Whereas, with the are Tiara 
defensively, you're in that pack

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line your Hoping they milk, the 
shot clock, they end up shooting

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a bad shot. 
You get the rebound. 

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You go. 
Well, now you're up in passing 

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Lanes, Europe. 
And, guys, junk, you know, 

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trying to trying to create havoc
and they're doing so those far. 

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Now, you know, opponents have 
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st. 
John's has been prone to 

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turnovers with the style they 
play. 

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So it's yet to be seen if that 
style will translate to like big

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10 opponents, but thus far the 
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Translating that tempo as well 
as the defense of quick to Tony.

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You got to put a dot Her in the 
swear jar. 

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You said pacline? 
We don't talk about pack want 

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any more. 
So Dollar in the swear jar, 

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please, I got you. 
That's hilarious. 

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Never want to hear it again. 
It isn't that you're going to 

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make put a dollar in the swear 
jar for saying I was getting 

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some of these junk. 
Well, no. 

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No, that's getting drunk is 
good. 

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Pacline his bait. 
Wait, what? 

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No, but it is I do think it's 
also interesting. 

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What before we get into 
individual players. 

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I do think it's fascinating how 
through four games. 

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We already have. 
Hands on social media, trying to

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point out what's going wrong 
with IU and there's a lot of 

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people have pointed out the 
turnovers or they pointed out 

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that they've only know the 
couple of games. 

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They only won by a small. 
Margin. 

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I've heard a lot of well, this 
is the same old team. 

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I, here's the thing. 
It's easy to get mad at those 

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people and I understand where 
they're coming from. 

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I think a lot of the issue is, 
there's we are so programmed 

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from 20 years of this team being
inconsistent letting people 

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down. 
That I think a lot of people are

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afraid to love again. 
And and what's happening now is 

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you've got people who are 
constantly looking for what the 

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next problem is going to turn 
into rather than just 

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understanding that even in the 
Heyday when Indiana was really 

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good. 
Most of the time you had bad 

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games. 
You'd lose games at home. 

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You'd occasionally lose a game 
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shouldn't those things happen in
basketball the time. 

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But you don't have to 
necessarily point to I'm 

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constantly and say we are going 
to fail because of this thing 

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that I saw or because we turn 
the ball over too many times. 

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You know, Tony, I think you can 
speak to this as well as 

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anybody. 
It's amazing to me that you've 

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got all these things going on at
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You've got a new coach, really 
new coaching staff. 

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You've got one holdover from the
previous era. 

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You've got a brand new offensive
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system. 
You're starting what two guys 

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three guys who weren't on the 
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Parker Stewart was kind of half 
on the team, but he wasn't 

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really wasn't, certainly wasn't 
starting. 

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He wasn't playing for the 
semester that he was here. 

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That is a lot of change for any 
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college level to deal with to 
some degree. 

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We should be looking at the 
results so far and saying this 

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is surprisingly good. 
Like, we're seeing more 

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well-put-together programs like 
Michigan, for instance, or 

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Illinois who have lost games 
already early in the season. 

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Yes. 
A better competition, but the 

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fact that Indiana is winning 
these games and the fact that 

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Indiana has no culture of 
winning at this point. 

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Not just the guys that came 
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and the race. 
Thompson's, the Tricia action 

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Davis is, but like we brought in
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Not exactly an icon of success 
in college basketball. 

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There's a lot of losing in the 
DNA that kind of has to get, you

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know, out of the system and has 
to be replaced with a 

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consciousness of how to win. 
I've been really impressed so 

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far with Woodson's. 
Me to manage that and put this 

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team in a positive mentality, 
despite them not knowing what 

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that actually means. 100%. 
You know, everything you 

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mentioned is so hard. 
I, I go back to coaching high 

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school basketball, you know, you
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like five practices in and you 
know, that you've got a game 

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five practices later and you're 
like, holy crap. 

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Like, how are we going to get 
everything in? 

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Like how you know, there's so 
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Baseline out of bounds and 
defensive strategy, offensive 

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strategy. 
Your guys are taking you off 

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because they're not running. 
Things right? 

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Like that. 
Beginning of the season is so 

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stressful as a coach because 
there's no way you can get all 

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of your philosophies instilled 
in your guys by that point. 

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So you're trying to pick and 
choose. 

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All right, where do we want to 
hang our hat on? 

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Alright, this seems like this 
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They want to hang their hat on 
the defensive end at least the 

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start and then they're going to 
let things flow from the 

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offensive end from there. 
So I think, what's in the done a

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masterful job of picking his 
battles figuring out. 

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All right, what are our core 
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And as a program, let's hang our
hat on those. 

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From the outset and then we'll 
let the other stuff take care of

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itself as the season progresses.
I think that's exactly what 

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we're seeing with the defensive 
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That is Indiana's identity right
now. 

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They're offensively. 
He's letting them play free and 

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flow free and that's going to be
the philosophy. 

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But as they learn each other's 
game learn what's in spacing and

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all that. 
And then he learns where guys 

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can score the ball on the floor 
and start running sets for that.

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I think we're going to continue 
see the offense be more 

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effective, but I think what's 
in? 

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I mean a plus really on these 
this you Up through mid-november

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or late November. 
I guess it is now on how he's 

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kind of managed all of these 
things and kind of mesh them 

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together into what we've seen is
the product on the floor. 

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Scott, I think it's time to go 
inside the numbers. 

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Don't you think? 
Yes, and and what I do is, I 

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would, I would say this, like 
you mentioned the the, you know,

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what he had, what since doing 
with, you know, a lot of 

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transfers from non great schools
and things like that. 

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Like, if I'm Woodson I'm like, 
hey, you know, Dolson, you know,

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Mel Tucker did the same thing. 
He had a lot of transfers. 

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He also had a guy from Wake 
Forest doing well, like, he's 

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getting 95 million on very 
little track record, like time 

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to talk, huh? 
Ready to go. 

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She a shit. 
I mean this, it seems like time 

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to strike while the Iron's hot 
though. 

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That's, that's hilarious. 
But now it, we're, let's go 

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inside the numbers, talk a 
little bit and just a, reminder,

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So let's dive in the numbers 

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Scott. 
Let me start with you. 

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You know, you look at the stats 
on can Palm or on torvik, and 

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it's clear Trace Jackson. 
Davis really hasn't lost a step 

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in. 
And what he's doing. 

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He has come out and has really 
been a, I would eat. 

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I think I'd probably argue a 
slightly better version of 

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himself with, with fewer 
possessions utilized, then what 

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he had last year, you know, you 
look at it. 

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I think was probably been the 
most impressive for me is how 

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much more he seems to be active 
on the defensive glass and how 

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he's dropped his turnover rate 
like three percent so far, which

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that's a big deal for Now a part
of it I think is tjd. 

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I still we still haven't seen 
him shooting from three. 

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We are seeing him shoot from 
like 17, 18 feet though, and 

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that feels like a bit of a 
precursor to what he's hoping to

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get to by January. 
No, he's starting to take that, 

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you know, top of the key jumper,
which is good that he has down 

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for having attempted to three. 
Although people said like that 

450
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wasn't a 3 in the game. 
So we'll see what the stats show

451
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,900
him taking 13. 
Like, I still would love to see 

452
00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:18,300
him, just attempting to or three
threes a game just to help his 

453
00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:20,100
draft stock. 
I got it. 

454
00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:24,000
It's not the best analogy. 
But in the mid-90s, the NBA, 

455
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,300
Dennis Rodman. 
Went to the Spurs and David 

456
00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:30,500
Robinson, then won the MVP. 
And have I just a phenomenal 

457
00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:34,400
year partially because just when
you're a, when you're a center, 

458
00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:38,400
having a stud for at the power 
forward position, just opened so

459
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,600
many things up for you again, 
not the Perfect Analogy here. 

460
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,300
But to me, it's like, I think 
the growth of race Thompson is 

461
00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:48,400
also helping to trace Jackson, 
Davis a ton as well, because 

462
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,800
race. 
Looks like the two of them are 

463
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,200
just fantastic interior. 
Defenders Jackson Davis does 

464
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,300
stuff like he's able to get 
blocks on. 

465
00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:58,200
Recoveries where it's like, how 
do you get up there? 

466
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,000
But, you know, race Thompson, 
you know, against st. 

467
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,100
John's with you Shemp, any good 
pronunciation? 

468
00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:08,500
Scott, put AA, take a dollar out
of my pronunciation dark, you 

469
00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:11,300
know, he shut him down most of 
the first half when chimp any 

470
00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:13,800
really went nuts and second half
is when race wasn't playing 

471
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,800
defense on him, race has been 
just a stellar Defender. 

472
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,300
So I agree. 
You. 

473
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:22,400
I would like to see continued 
more outside shooting from Tres 

474
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,000
Jackson Davis, but I think races
races ability is really helped 

475
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,900
race. 
And I also I've said this for 

476
00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:31,000
almost all the games. 
I know the competition you I'm 

477
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,600
excited to see the competition 
step up on this, but sorry, I 

478
00:23:35,608 --> 00:23:39,400
got a phone call coming in. 
It's all right, but you know, I 

479
00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:42,000
have been saying this for all 
these games that you looks like 

480
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,900
Jackson Davis can get whatever 
he wants whenever he wants. 

481
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,100
Like and again, I know the 
competition has been sub part of

482
00:23:48,108 --> 00:23:50,800
what we'll see in the big. 10. 
But to me, that's also a really 

483
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,300
good precursor that. 
It feels like any time. 

484
00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:56,300
At any point during the game. 
If they give him the ball, he's 

485
00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:58,700
able to get a move, he's able to
position himself, whatever he 

486
00:23:58,700 --> 00:24:00,800
wants. 
He can get kind of great 

487
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,400
position. 
Like it feels almost like like I

488
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,600
said, in the Eastern Michigan 
game, they were just trying some

489
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,800
different stuff out and kind of 
went away from a little bit too 

490
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,300
much and then kind of go back to
him, but it does feel like 

491
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:12,900
whenever they need two points, 
they can just get it to him and 

492
00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:15,000
get to my think. 
That's also why, you know, we 

493
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,700
have the the highest effective. 
One of the best effective field 

494
00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:20,200
goal percentage. 
Percentages in the country right

495
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,000
now. 
What has stuck out to you about?

496
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,100
Trace Jackson Davis so far, 
Tony, I mean, maybe it's all of 

497
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:27,500
those things. 
But are there any other things 

498
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:28,800
that you've noticed that have 
been like? 

499
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,000
Wow this there's there's some 
Eeveelution here. 

500
00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:33,100
It's alright. 
Yeah, out there for you Tony. 

501
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,500
Oh, no worries. 
Sorry. 

502
00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:37,100
I'm giving him a question later 
too. 

503
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:41,100
So don't worry about it. 
I think the big big difference 

504
00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:44,000
that we see is him coming from 
the help side, the block shots. 

505
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,900
That's that's been something 
that Mike Woodson has taken. 

506
00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:51,300
Kind of, from the NBA game of 
your a rim protector things. 

507
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,300
Be funneled to you. 
You can cut. 

508
00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:56,300
You can literally come off your 
man and go try to block a shot 

509
00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:58,600
and it's no longer your 
responsibility to block that guy

510
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,300
out. 
It's the help side. 

511
00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:02,600
Defender is guy. 
So I think that's a big thing. 

512
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,300
And you know, we see his block 
percentage is is top 40 in the 

513
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:08,400
country right now. 
I think last year he was in like

514
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,900
the top 200 but I think that's a
big evolution of his game. 

515
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,100
Is him being able to come over 
from help side and be able to 

516
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:17,400
block those shots? 
And then on an offensive 

517
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,700
standpoint, I think he's been so
efficient and effective. 

518
00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:26,100
As Scott mentioned, you know, 
with race being very efficient 

519
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:28,500
and good basketball himself, 
that helps. 

520
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:32,200
But I also think the spacing on 
offense is so much better for 

521
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,800
Tricia X and Davis to, to 
operate. 

522
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:38,900
He's not constantly like I 
pulled a clip in the film room 

523
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:42,300
from the Louisiana game because 
Trace caught the ball on the 

524
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,800
left block and he makes a move 
and he pivots and he ends up 

525
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,600
shooting a reverse right-hand 
layup. 

526
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,900
Whereas, last season race 
Thompson is parts right on the 

527
00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:54,400
other block. 
But in this season, he's now up 

528
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,500
top, he spaces and spacing the 
floor at the top of the key. 

529
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,900
There's two Shooters in the 
corner. 

530
00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:01,500
There's one on the opposite 
wing, and he's got all that room

531
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:04,000
to operate. 
And there's guys that he can 

532
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,800
throw to that, are keeping the 
defense honest that are actually

533
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,100
going to knock down a shot. 
It was a Tony can Woodson coach 

534
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:12,600
in college though? 
I mean, see Gonna understand the

535
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,900
college game almost as well as 
he can recruit. 

536
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:17,600
Yeah. 
I thought it was fascinating in 

537
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,100
the Louisiana game. 
Tony like when he wasn't, the 

538
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,700
one Trace wasn't in the game. 
They just went, they were going 

539
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:25,300
full five out on most of those 
possessions. 

540
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:28,900
They were, there was nobody 
anywhere close to the basket and

541
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:31,000
it didn't hurt. 
Now, granted Louisiana at like, 

542
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,500
their soul had been reaped at 
that point. 

543
00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:36,600
Like they no longer were 
functioning being at that point.

544
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,900
But if that's a taste of what's 
to come, where it's like, all 

545
00:26:39,908 --> 00:26:42,200
right, you know, so Trace is out
there. 

546
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,900
We're going to give him the 
spacing to do and need to do 

547
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:47,100
offensive ly and then when he's 
not out there we're just going 

548
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:50,400
to essentially abandon the idea 
that we have to station somebody

549
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,300
in the the low block. 
Block, I mean we've been asking 

550
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:56,000
for that for a long time, but 
it's shocking that it's actually

551
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,100
like watching Indiana players in
Indiana. 

552
00:26:58,100 --> 00:27:00,900
Uniform is running that offense.
It's like it's like being on the

553
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:05,700
moon, you know, it's just a very
unusual thing and we talked 

554
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:08,900
about race like and we talked 
about the transformation from. 

555
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:10,700
Yeah. 
A new philosophy like that guy. 

556
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:14,700
His his offensive game has had 
to change so much and how we 

557
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:16,600
utilize. 
I mean that was you he was the 

558
00:27:16,608 --> 00:27:19,500
guy was going to ask you about. 
Like he's always been a pretty 

559
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:23,400
off efficient offensive player. 
But you know, he's also used 

560
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,600
very few possessions. 
I mean he was he got more into 

561
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,100
the flow of things last year, 
certainly, but the way that he's

562
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:36,100
being used now is just he looks 
so much more natural in what 

563
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:40,700
he's doing and so much of it 
comes from being in a position 

564
00:27:40,708 --> 00:27:44,400
where he's triggering, you know,
kind of the secondary movement 

565
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,300
on offense with his passing. 
And, you know, he's not really a

566
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,100
shooting threat from outside, 
but he's not afraid to shoot it 

567
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:53,800
and he's He's yet to miss so 
many shots that people are just 

568
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,100
going to back off and 
completely, you know, but but 

569
00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:00,500
his passing while I think it 
still does need to get better 

570
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,300
has triggered a lot of the 
offensive flow for this IU team 

571
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,900
and that was a key piece. 
That just was just not present 

572
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:09,700
in the offense last year. 
Absolutely. 

573
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:12,700
And you know, and what sins 
motion offense, they're 

574
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:16,000
essentially setting a UCLA 
screen and then that big popping

575
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,500
to the wing, the guards hitting 
that big on the wing and then 

576
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:22,000
the offense is flowing through 
that, the that big Decision, 

577
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,200
whether they want to do a 
dribble handoff where they want 

578
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,400
to go set a pin down screen or 
something. 

579
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,400
So his, yeah, his offensive 
Evolution has been so vital to 

580
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,300
this team and I think it's funny
because you go back and watch 

581
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:38,000
his high school highlight tapes 
and that was the player. 

582
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,500
He was, he was, he was beating 
the break with the dribble. 

583
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,900
He was shooting from the 
outside. 

584
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:44,400
He was very much a dual threat 
if you will. 

585
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,600
In terms of being able to shoot 
inside and outside and and 

586
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,300
what's in this kind of been able
to unlock that in now, like you 

587
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:52,800
said, he's I think he's what 
What 148 from the three-point 

588
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,800
line but he's keeping defenses 
honest. 

589
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:57,800
Well, yeah, they have to have to
guard that and it's interesting 

590
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,100
because he's, I mean, his 
three-point shooting wasn't 

591
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:04,600
great last year either. 
But he's shooting 81% from to so

592
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,600
far on the season, which is 
really interesting to think 

593
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,600
about. 
Because I mean some of those 

594
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,700
have been jump shots and he's 
been knocking those down but 

595
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:15,100
some of those have been him, get
being able to get into position 

596
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:18,900
to make point-blank shots, or be
able to take point-blank shots. 

597
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:23,300
And again, that, that just 
wasn't Happening for him last 

598
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:26,300
year and I think a lot of it is,
is he just exudes? 

599
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,800
This almost gravitational pull 
like he is as much as Trace 

600
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,600
Jackson. 
Davis is the key offensive 

601
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,000
player. 
Race Thompson is essentially the

602
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,700
sun around, which the rest of 
the offense is orbiting right 

603
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:44,600
now and his, his like, Vitality 
out there shows through on that,

604
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,700
it shows through on his 
rebounding. 

605
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:49,100
Percentage is like, he's one of 
the top 50 rebounders in the 

606
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:50,800
country right now on the 
defensive end. 

607
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:53,900
And Just because the guy is 
going out there with an 

608
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:57,300
expectation that he's going to 
grab every ball, that comes his 

609
00:29:57,300 --> 00:29:59,100
way. 
And it kind of goes back to what

610
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:01,300
we talked about, at the 
beginning, Scott like the 

611
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:04,700
confidence levels, in some of 
those returning guys. 

612
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,100
That's what I'm I guess the most
surprised about, I thought there

613
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:09,800
was going to be confidence, it 
was going to be coming out of 

614
00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:13,000
some of the newcomers who hadn't
been wrapped up in the 

615
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,400
negativity that it existed 
internally over the last few 

616
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,500
years, but it's really been a 
race chance to race time Senate 

617
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:20,300
race tracks and Davis not just 
with their their stats. 

618
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:22,700
But with their Tattooed on the 
court. 

619
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:26,600
That's been the most infectious 
thing and this is where I don't 

620
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,000
want to keep harping on the you 
know, the people who said woods 

621
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,200
and couldn't coach in college, 
but this is you have to insanely

622
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,800
effective players and we saw it 
last year. 

623
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,200
We saw it, you know with the 
season with I think about Romeo 

624
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,000
and Juliet on Morgan where it 
was like that was and I want to 

625
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,100
keep pissing on Archie, but it's
like it looks so rudimentary. 

626
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:46,900
I get Romeo the ball anywhere 
just and back. 

627
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:50,000
It's like you look at the, you 
know, the number of the 

628
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:52,700
percentage of possessions that 
Those two guys used it was like 

629
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:54,200
they were pushing 30 percent of 
peace. 

630
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,700
And the rest of the team was 
like zero. 

631
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:58,500
What's amazing here is you have 
these two guys who are so 

632
00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:02,100
effective and yet, you know, 
race Thompson is only getting 20

633
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:03,400
percent of effective 
possessions. 

634
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,100
Like he's not even in the major 
contributors factor of Ken Palm,

635
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:10,200
but I don't think he feels like 
he's not being utilized like 

636
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,900
galen's your point on the five 
out. 

637
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:15,400
Like I love seeing these all 
these different styles from 

638
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,600
would seem like he's trying 
things out and to me, you know, 

639
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,800
somebody doesn't again, I don't 
want to get into recruiting 

640
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,800
that's like this is A solid Boom
for recruiting where you can 

641
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,400
kind of almost sell any style to
any recruit. 

642
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,400
Like hey, man, you play low as 
we can get you the ball at hey, 

643
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,800
you play outside, we can do 
this. 

644
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,000
It's just it's really nice to 
see, you know, in years past 

645
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,200
we'd have two very good options 
on offense and our offense was 

646
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,600
basically get those guys the 
ball and everybody else stand 

647
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,200
around and wait and then figure 
something out where now it feels

648
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,300
like we have a very functional 
offense. 

649
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:49,100
That's honestly, it's really 
cool to have race Thompson. 

650
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,300
I think probably our number two 
offensive. 

651
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,000
Option, not be number two. 
In a, you know, percentage of 

652
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,900
possessions used. 
Let's switch gears a little bit.

653
00:31:57,900 --> 00:31:59,900
Tony. 
I don't know where yet 

654
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,900
completely what to make out of 
the guards on this IU team. 

655
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,300
Like this is a very odd group. 
In terms of what they bring to 

656
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:11,700
the floor. 
You've got Xavier Johnson. 

657
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:16,800
Who's you know, his assist rate 
is awesome at 30.4%, but his 

658
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:23,700
turnover rate is also 30 percent
and he just The vibe you get off

659
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:27,300
that guy is he's going to win 
games for you. 

660
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:31,300
And he's also going to like do 
Insane things that are going to 

661
00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:33,100
make you question, why he's on 
the floor. 

662
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,800
You've got Tamar Bates, who 
obviously has a ton of skill but

663
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,800
is obviously also still learning
how to play at this level. 

664
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,800
You've got Christian Lander, who
was kind of Left, 4 Dead there 

665
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,800
for a while and then has really 
popped up and looks like a 

666
00:32:48,808 --> 00:32:50,900
functional college basketball 
player and even more. 

667
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:53,900
So in Is exhibiting a lot of 
hustle and then you got robbed 

668
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:57,400
fennessy who is injured but is 
obviously giving a lot of 

669
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,100
defensive effort, but still 
seems to be very lost on the 

670
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:03,900
offensive end and I guess we got
to throw Parker Stewart in there

671
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,100
as well. 
A guy who's been really 

672
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:07,600
efficient. 
He's the third most efficient 

673
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,100
score. 
Sorry the second most efficient 

674
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:12,400
score, I think on this team 
depending on how much you want 

675
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,800
to give credit to Miller cop, 
but Stewart's also like been 

676
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,700
hesitant to take shots up to 
this point. 

677
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:22,400
So give me your overall 
diagnosis of You back court and 

678
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,300
what what? 
You're thinking after four 

679
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:26,900
games? 
Yeah, it is an interesting 

680
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:31,500
backcourt. 100, like 100%. 
It's because he mentioned 

681
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:33,200
Xavier. 
He's kind of Jekyll and Hyde, 

682
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
you know, and that st. 
John's game. 

683
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:42,000
It was evident how how much he 
was needed until Lander came on 

684
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,500
the floor. 
You know, when Rob came in to 

685
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:45,500
back him up. 
It was like gosh, man. 

686
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:46,900
We got to figure something out 
here. 

687
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,900
We need Xavier in the court, 
don't get in foul trouble. 

688
00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:51,200
But they've your kind of is what
he is. 

689
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,500
At this point, you know, he's a 
guy that's played a lot of 

690
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:57,700
college basketball. 
I don't think we're gonna see a 

691
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:00,900
ton of shift in his game. 
He's a guy that that's going to.

692
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:02,900
He's going to be able to score 
the ball at The Rim. 

693
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,500
He's decent enough from an 
outside perspective to where 

694
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:10,500
he's going to keep defenses 
honest and he's the floor really

695
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:12,500
well, but he's gonna a couple 
times a game. 

696
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:14,699
He's going to make a boneheaded 
past where it's like, you don't 

697
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:17,699
need that home run or he's gonna
dribble off his foot, trying to 

698
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:21,000
go around the back or something.
So with him, I think he's 

699
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:24,300
Consistently inconsistent if 
that's a thing. 

700
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:27,600
And so the rest of the Guard 
pool is kind of interesting to 

701
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,300
me though because you get 
different things from different 

702
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:34,500
guys, you know, with a Parker 
and Miller cop starting at the 

703
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:37,699
two and three, I think you get 
definitely more offensive 

704
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:41,300
prowess from those guys in terms
of shooting but defensively 

705
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:44,400
probably a lot to be desired. 
They're from a different 

706
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,800
perspective. 
Now Parker, he's really 

707
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,000
impressed me actually, with how 
he's defended this season, but 

708
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,100
then like you mentioned, you've 
got a And or who may have the 

709
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:57,800
most upside of all of the guards
on this entire roster, in terms 

710
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,200
of what he may become. 
And he seems like he's kind of 

711
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,400
growing up right before our eyes
right now, but still, I don't 

712
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,900
think he's a guy that's gonna be
able to win you a game right now

713
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:11,500
or anything like that. 
So yeah, it's an interesting 

714
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:16,000
pool of guards and it's like 
they all have something they do 

715
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,500
really well, but none of them is
just like a well-rounded just 

716
00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:23,900
like I'm going to get you 
everything and be like, 

717
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:26,900
level-headed about it, because I
think Xavier can be a very, very

718
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:30,100
high level card, but you just 
don't know if he's gonna give 

719
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:32,800
you that night after night like 
the other night, you know, you 

720
00:35:32,808 --> 00:35:34,300
getting a shoving match with a 
guy. 

721
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:37,600
It just unnecessary. 
Get you a technical napkins, 

722
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,900
your second personal you're 
sitting down like, right? 

723
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:42,500
It's hard to rely on that. 
Yeah, he's the thing with the 

724
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,200
thing with Xavier. 
Sorry, jump in like the thing 

725
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,900
that he brings and I'll meant 
this was mentioned on the 

726
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:49,800
assembly call after the post 
game and st. 

727
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,200
John's, you know, Know what he 
did. 

728
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,100
At the end of that game, is he 
just had the ball and he broke 

729
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:56,600
his guy down and got to the 
Lane. 

730
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,300
Which, like, when was the last 
time we had a guard at IU, able 

731
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:01,100
to do that? 
Like, you can just give him the 

732
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:03,600
ball and it's like on your own 
break a guy down and get there. 

733
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,600
And I think that's that's I 
think what he can bring. 

734
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,700
I agree with everything. 
Tony said, to me the cop, I've 

735
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:11,700
always I've kind of put together
in my mind for Xavier Johnson. 

736
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:14,500
Is he kind of looks like him. 
Do is he reminds me of Stephen 

737
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:17,700
Jackson from the Pacers? 
Like just he has a lot of 

738
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:19,400
talent. 
Can do a lot of good things, but

739
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,400
you're probably going to have 
three technical This year, we're

740
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,800
like, dude, like seriously, but 
it just well gonna come with the

741
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,300
territory. 
I look at him. 

742
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,300
I'll use it on you example, he's
like an evolutionary verdell 

743
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:34,700
Jones in a way, a guy who's 
never going to be an efficient 

744
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:39,500
scorer at the point guard 
position, but a guy who can, who

745
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:42,700
will make passes that are going 
to lead directly to buckets. 

746
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:46,800
And you're going to have to deal
with turnovers because if he's 

747
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,100
the triggerman as Tony said like
he's going to see things that 

748
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:52,100
other players don't see. 
Which We'll leave the baskets. 

749
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:55,700
But he's also going to see 
things that aren't there that he

750
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:58,400
thinks that they are and that 
will lead the turnovers. 

751
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,100
And I mean, you go back and look
at, you know, what frustrated 

752
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:04,900
about verdell. 
So much was his turnover rate 

753
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:08,800
the last two years. 
It was over 20% both times, but 

754
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,700
his assist rate kind of got 
overshadowed. 

755
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,600
And I blame myself as much as 
anybody for not focusing on that

756
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,400
more. 
He was you know, a pretty good 

757
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,400
guard. 
Overall in terms of being able 

758
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,200
to be a trigger man Johnson's 
significantly better like John, 

759
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,700
Had the, you know, one of the 
top five assist rates in all of 

760
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:28,500
college basketball last year at 
Pitt, the question I guess is 

761
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:32,000
going to be Tony in this kind of
an offense. 

762
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,700
Does that does that approach? 
I guess is the offensive flow 

763
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:41,900
going to bring out the best in 
what he does or is it a 

764
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:45,000
situation where? 
Because it's set up in the way 

765
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,700
that it is with so many options 
and things being passed around 

766
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:50,500
that the need to have somebody 
initiating offense like that 

767
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:54,300
isn't as As necessary as it was 
under, maybe a system that was a

768
00:37:54,308 --> 00:37:58,200
little more structured. 
Yeah, I think I think where he 

769
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,300
becomes extremely valuable. 
Is that shot clock, you know, 

770
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:04,300
you run to your initial actions 
that shot clock gets down to 14.

771
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:07,200
You just face the floor, call 
for a ball screen, and then let 

772
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,000
them create from there. 
I think that's where he becomes 

773
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,700
extremely valuable, because he 
is a playmaker. 

774
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:15,300
He's a shot Creator, whether 
that be for himself or his 

775
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:18,100
teammates. 
So I do think the skill set that

776
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:21,300
he brings his valuable to this 
system, but more so think it's 

777
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:24,200
like it's not the initial action
member, even the secondary 

778
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,900
action. 
I might be the tertiary action. 

779
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:26,700
Like. 
All right. 

780
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:28,300
We're going to late shot clock 
situation. 

781
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:31,200
Let's face the floor, call for 
ball screen, and let X create. 

782
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,600
So I think that's where his 
value becomes really, really 

783
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:40,400
necessary in this kind of open 
Flow style system that I think 

784
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,900
will pay dividends down the line
and we kind of saw it in the st.

785
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:46,700
John's game where it's like, all
right, get him the ball, see 

786
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:48,800
what he can do on these ball 
screen actions and toward the 

787
00:38:48,808 --> 00:38:50,100
end of the game. 
He got to the Rim. 

788
00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:53,700
Yeah, it's Scott. 
You know the when you look at 

789
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:55,900
these other guards, and I guess 
I get a throat. 

790
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,600
Ray Galloway in there as well, 
and he's out with the broken 

791
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,000
wrist. 
Obviously, it'll be interesting 

792
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,700
to see what happens when he 
comes back. 

793
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,200
Obviously. 
This team needs a player that 

794
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,300
can establish themselves as a 
shooter that is going to be a 

795
00:39:11,308 --> 00:39:14,200
pressure valve release for the 
rest of the offense draw 

796
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,900
defenses out. 
Stuart certainly looks like the 

797
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:21,800
guy who can step into that role,
but I also I'm really becoming 

798
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,900
more and more curious about what
Tamar Bates is going. 

799
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:28,800
To be able to bring to the table
and how much all of this evolved

800
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,800
because I just keep I keep 
watching this team on the floor.

801
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,800
And I keep thinking to myself. 
I don't think that what we're 

802
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,400
looking at right now and what 
we're going to be looking at the

803
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,400
end of January are going to be 
the same thing. 

804
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,300
I think certain things like, you
know, Trace Jackson Davis and 

805
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:43,800
race Thompson, doing what they 
do. 

806
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:47,900
Yes, but this backcourt really 
feels like a work in progress 

807
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:50,600
because a lot of these guys are 
still kind of figuring out the 

808
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,000
parameters of what they can and 
can't do on the floor. 

809
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,900
Yeah, the thing with Parker. 
But that's funny is when you 

810
00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:59,100
watch the game just kind of 
passively. 

811
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:01,700
It's like he starts and then he 
goes in the bench, then you 

812
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,000
don't see him again. 
It's like that. 

813
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,500
It's like he comes back with 
four minutes ago. 

814
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:07,400
Like, oh, yeah, he's a starter. 
Like I do remember him playing 

815
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,000
for like and the entire portion 
of the middle part of the game. 

816
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,300
He always liked his game. 
Always comes out. 

817
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:17,400
He'll hit two threes and it's 
like the homeless it for 28 

818
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,000
minutes. 
I do, I'm with you. 

819
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,800
Bates has shown moments where 
he's able to do things, where 

820
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,200
it's like, oh, yeah. 
He's starting to put this 

821
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,800
together, like, I See a scenario
where when you get to January 

822
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,000
late. 
January, Bates is starting in 

823
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,200
place of Stewart. 
Like I think Bates is going to 

824
00:40:34,207 --> 00:40:36,400
help growth curve. 
Is it going to be in place of 

825
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,900
Stewart? 
Or is it going to be in place of

826
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:41,700
Miller cop? 
Because like I keep going I 

827
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:43,400
think a cop bring some 
interesting things. 

828
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,700
He hasn't really. 
I've yet to figure out with cop.

829
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:51,300
Like what are you supposed to 
bring to the table with this 

830
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:53,000
team? 
And you know, because if you 

831
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,900
look at his track record at 
Northwestern, It's it already 

832
00:40:56,900 --> 00:41:00,800
looks very different 
statistically than what it 

833
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,900
looked like they're you know, 
they're he was certainly he was 

834
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:08,600
a less efficient player. 
He was taking a higher 

835
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,800
percentage of shots. 
He was using a higher percentage

836
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,100
of possessions. 
He's kind of the, I don't want 

837
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,900
to see the hidden member of the 
starting lineup, but you can see

838
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,500
a clear role for je veux 
Johnson. 

839
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:21,500
He's clearly the point guard 
Stewart is clearly the guy 

840
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:24,600
standing on the wing drawing 
defenses off and taking shots. 

841
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:25,800
You know, what race does? 
You know, what? 

842
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,100
Stars have yet to figure out 
exactly how cop is supposed to 

843
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:32,700
ideally fit into this lineup. 
And what he brings that tomorrow

844
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:36,300
Bates might not at some point be
able to supersede and because of

845
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:38,400
his athleticism and his ability 
to drive. 

846
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:41,900
Yeah, now that's a fair point. 
I mean, I guess one of those two

847
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:45,900
spots but yeah, I mean bates's 
athleticism really shines 

848
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:47,700
through. 
I love the Lefty piece of it. 

849
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,000
He's able to do some things that
honestly, you just don't see 

850
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,500
anybody else on that starting 
line up able to do like he has 

851
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:59,600
Ability that Stewart and cop. 
Just don't maybe Xavier Johnson,

852
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,500
does little bit of strength, the
part that the other guard we 

853
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:05,700
haven't talked about and because
he doesn't play much. 

854
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:08,800
But like again, you know, having
been to a couple of games 

855
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,500
watching him in warm-ups, 
understanding its warm-ups 

856
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,500
butts, like, Anthony, Leo 
doesn't miss, he just doesn't 

857
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:16,800
miss, he gets all his threes. 
I don't know what 142 of the 

858
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,600
other night. 
I have, I still have a heart and

859
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,400
I trust in Woodson. 
I just like for a team that's 

860
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,800
like needing some good 
three-point shooting. 

861
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:28,600
It's still kind of boggles my 
mind how I was happy to see him 

862
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,200
play against Louisiana. 
Hope we continue to see that. 

863
00:42:31,207 --> 00:42:33,700
It's just kind of boggled My 
Mind through these, you know 

864
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:36,700
last year and a half that it's 
like can you not find five 

865
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:40,600
minutes just to have him in the 
corner and kind of play that got

866
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,200
who is the guy of beginning? 
Part of the Korean Air who met 

867
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,500
Roth? 
You'll just kind of play that 

868
00:42:45,508 --> 00:42:47,200
make you don't play good 
defense, you'll do anything. 

869
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,100
You just nail threes and like it
looks like he shouldn't be able 

870
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:51,400
to do that. 
But it's like it must be in 

871
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,300
practice his defense as badly as
something is something is 

872
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:57,700
causing him to not get time on 
the The court well, but is it is

873
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:58,900
that they need actually good. 
Defender. 

874
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:00,700
Magic is a good Defender. 
I don't think it's that. 

875
00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:02,300
I just try to figure out what it
is. 

876
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:05,100
But if you can shoot the lights 
out, and this is an interesting 

877
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:08,300
thing, Tony like the, the 
Anthony wheel question has been 

878
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:10,000
not one that I've been 
interested in because he is 

879
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,500
clearly way down in the pecking 
order right now. 

880
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:18,000
And I was before the previous 
coach to, but he played more 

881
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,500
minutes under under Archie. 
I mean, that's the thing. 

882
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:24,300
I mean, a granted that was over 
the course of the season, but he

883
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:27,200
played even play a huge. 
A minutes, but he was in the 

884
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,800
middle of the Big Ten season 
last year. 

885
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,500
He was getting double digit 
minutes in a bunch of those 

886
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:32,900
games. 
He kind of disappeared at the 

887
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:35,700
end of the season. 
I don't know. 

888
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:38,500
I mean Tony, where would you 
like? 

889
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,400
Do you agree with the playing 
time that he's getting right 

890
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,700
now? 
And why do you think there are 

891
00:43:42,707 --> 00:43:44,300
people ahead of him in the 
pecking order? 

892
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:47,700
Yeah, I mean, I think it really 
just comes down to a numbers 

893
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:57,100
thing and and what what's in 
values and in that kind of three

894
00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:00,900
roll. 
If you will, you know with with 

895
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:05,900
gout I kind of look at glial and
Galloway in that same kind of 

896
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:12,500
position if you will with that 
second unit and really with with

897
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:15,000
Rob fennessy struggling to run 
that. 

898
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,300
Unit and he hadn't had a lot of 
trust in Lander yet. 

899
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:20,800
He trusted Galloway to kind of 
run the offense with that. 

900
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,600
Second unit. 
Saw a lot of kind of like point 

901
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,400
forward coming from Galloway. 
Now, I know Galloway was out 

902
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,700
last game and we didn't see as 
much of Lille, but I think he 

903
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:31,900
kind of, he kind of got lost in 
a numbers game there with just, 

904
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:36,400
in terms of what coach Wilson 
values with the second unit in 

905
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,400
general, but I do think, Anthony
Leo. 

906
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,700
I think he's gonna get a shot. 
I think that, you know, between 

907
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:45,300
injuries and you know, adversity
hitting during the big Ten 

908
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:47,000
season and whatnot. 
I think he's going to end up 

909
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,400
helping I you when some games at
some point this season, but 

910
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,300
right now I think it's just 
what's in doing a filling out 

911
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:57,500
period and he's got a deep team.
I mean, he's got 13 scholarship,

912
00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:01,100
guys at as of two games ago. 
Everybody was healthy. 

913
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,200
It just kind of gets caught lost
in a numbers game. 

914
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:06,600
Well, I think that's a valid 
point and this is something 

915
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,200
we've lost sight of a little 
bit. 

916
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,600
I think as I you fans, which is 
that it's okay for players to 

917
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,200
take a couple of years and not 
actually A lot of court time and

918
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,600
develop, that's how it's 
supposed to work. 

919
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,900
And the there's been such a 
shallow depth situation with IU,

920
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:27,200
basketball for so long. 
And really, like the last was 

921
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,400
the last really deep team that 
you felt like this Indiana hat. 

922
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,900
I mean, what 2011 2012 because 
even that 2012 13 team, you 

923
00:45:34,908 --> 00:45:37,400
know, like when Remy Abell is 
like one of the first two guys 

924
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,800
off the bench. 
It's like, we're not as deep as 

925
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:45,200
we think that we should be here,
you know, so Leo if he's able To

926
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,100
come in, pick a spots and hit 
shots when he's in there. 

927
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:51,900
I certainly think the ceiling is
high and the reality is Avery 

928
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:54,900
Johnson. 
Parker Stewart have more college

929
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:58,500
basketball experience. 
Tomorrow Bates has more like 

930
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:02,100
innate physical talent and 
athleticism which is really what

931
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:03,600
this team needs. 
Because if you've got Parker 

932
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,300
Stewart out there, and 
theoretically if you've got, you

933
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:09,200
know a Miller cop out there. 
You don't really need what 

934
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,200
Anthony wheel provides because 
you need something. 

935
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,900
That is more. 
I take the ball to the basket 

936
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:17,500
and Draw The Defenders, and that
makes the rest of the offense. 

937
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:19,500
Go. 
So that's something to keep an 

938
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,700
eye on. 
Anyway, I know that we've all 

939
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:25,600
got some hard outs here. 
So to speak in terms of time. 

940
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:32,000
So, real quick, before we wrap 
up, give me one thing that you 

941
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:37,200
think IU basketball under the 
current regime needs to focus on

942
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,200
over the course of the next 
month of play understanding that

943
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,700
that's a mix of lesser opponents
and opponents like Syracuse and 

944
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:47,600
Notre Dame who aren't I'm going 
to be as good as like, Purdue 

945
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,600
for instance, but are still 
going to provide some 

946
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,200
interesting test. 
Particularly since both those 

947
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,000
games are away from Assembly 
Hall Tony. 

948
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,700
Let me start with you. 
Yeah, I I think the defense has 

949
00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:59,100
been tremendous. 
I think finishing a possession 

950
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:01,100
with a box out. 
A rebound is something that I 

951
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:04,100
would like to see more. 
I mean, I think 21 offensive 

952
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:06,700
rebounds given up against 
Louisiana like that that whole 

953
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:09,200
Louisiana game just from a 
statistical standpoint was such 

954
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,700
a crazy thing. 
Like twenty seven, turnovers 21,

955
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:13,600
offensive rebounds given up. 
Trace Jackson. 

956
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:14,900
Davis doesn't play very good 
game. 

957
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:19,500
You win by like 40, but I would 
love to see them clean up the, 

958
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:22,300
the defensive rebounding, 
because again st. 

959
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:25,300
John's. 
And in the Louisiana game, I 

960
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:30,800
think that their defense was 
phenomenal, but sometimes Miss 

961
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,100
blackouts and guys, just turning
and going to the basket and as 

962
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:37,100
you get into Big Ten Play, It's 
Gonna kind of rear its ugly, 

963
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:41,000
head more and more. 
So I'd love to see that myself 

964
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,400
Scott. 
Yeah, I mean free throw 

965
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,900
shooting. 
I love To see, get better, but I

966
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:48,200
think that's honestly all just 
meant. 

967
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,300
I think it's just meant to him. 
That I think the positivity will

968
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:54,400
come for me. 
What I would like to see is a 

969
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,500
know, you saw it against like 
Louisiana, but I think against, 

970
00:47:56,500 --> 00:48:00,800
you know, Syracuse Nebraska 
Notre, Dame against some of 

971
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,800
those teams. 
What I would love to see is if 

972
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,400
they get up by five or ten 
points, I'd love to see the 

973
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,600
ability to put a team away 
because we saw it in Eastern 

974
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:10,900
Michigan. 
We saw it against st. 

975
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:14,300
John's do Eastern Michigan in 
the second half at a 14-2 to run

976
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:16,400
a 16. 
Rerun like these kind of bigger 

977
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,800
runs which are reminiscent of. 
Those are the Archie error. 

978
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,900
We have eight in it. 
It wasn't as bad. 

979
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:23,400
But you had some moments at 
Eastern Michigan. 

980
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,100
Where we went, you know, three 
or four minutes there. 

981
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:29,300
We didn't score not as bad as 
St. 

982
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:31,900
John's but you know, st. 
John's, we were up by almost 20 

983
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:34,000
and then we let them get back in
the game. 

984
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,300
So, you know, if I would like to
see that ability if we get up 

985
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:40,200
and we're doing well, the 
ability to finish a game, you 

986
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,400
know, mid second quarter and not
let teams back in. 

987
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,200
I understand. 
It's kind of based on, you know 

988
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,500
being a head in the first. 
First place. 

989
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:48,200
But that's something I'd like to
see because I don't want to 

990
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,400
start riding that razor wire 
where we kind of have these 

991
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,200
games in the bag at halftime and
suddenly, it's like, oh like, 

992
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,300
what's going on? 
It's a, it's a tie game against 

993
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:55,800
st. 
John's. 

994
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,500
Like how do we get there? 
So I'd like to see that ability 

995
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:01,200
to just kind of, you know, and 
then that's probably going to 

996
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,100
come with time, but just seeing 
them work on that. 

997
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,500
You saw it against Louisiana, 
which was good. 

998
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,100
Just more of that. 
Yeah. 

999
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,100
I think my big. 
I've got two things that I'll 

1000
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:11,700
say first. 
I think so many of the turnover 

1001
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:14,100
issues with this team right now 
or just based on familiarity 

1002
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:16,600
with the offense. 
And it's like learning how to 

1003
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,500
play an instrument where you get
really good at playing an 

1004
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:21,500
instrument is when you stop 
thinking about the technical 

1005
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:24,400
aspects of putting, you know, 
your hands on the keyboard or 

1006
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,700
your hands on you know, what 
makes the sound. 

1007
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:28,600
And it just comes naturally and 
right. 

1008
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,700
Now a lot of these turnovers are
guys passing the ball to places 

1009
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:34,400
where they think guys should be,
but they're not there. 

1010
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:37,100
And it's hard to tell yet if 
that's the fault of the 

1011
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:39,400
initiator of the pass or the 
person who was supposed to 

1012
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,200
receive it, but that will get 
better as they get more game 

1013
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,300
experience with this. 
Think that'll help out a lot. 

1014
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,400
So I would that it's just, it's 
more like they just need to play

1015
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,700
games, which that's what they 
will do. 

1016
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:56,400
And and realize that they're 
going to their, they are going 

1017
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,500
to probably get incrementally 
better with that and that's 

1018
00:49:58,500 --> 00:49:59,900
going to help things out 
significantly. 

1019
00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:04,600
The other thing, I'll say real 
quick is the shooting the 

1020
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,900
outside shooting. 
You know, I you women's 

1021
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:09,200
basketball plays on the same 
floor that I, you men's 

1022
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,300
basketball plays and you watch 
the women's games and there is a

1023
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:14,900
confidence when they shoot the 
ball from outside. 

1024
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,700
I'd that is just absent from 
most of the players that play 

1025
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:22,200
for IU. 
On the men's side that will also

1026
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,400
come with time. 
If they start to hit shots that 

1027
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,600
game that Parker Stewart had 
against Louisville against 

1028
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,900
Louisiana. 
That kind of game is Loki, 

1029
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:31,900
really, really important, 
because now he's had a good 

1030
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:36,700
shooting game in Assembly Hall. 
And historically, I use had the 

1031
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:38,200
best shooting games in Assembly 
Hall. 

1032
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,000
They've had players who have 
been able to go out on the floor

1033
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,400
and, you know, just they know 
that the the Anna is their 

1034
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,900
friend. 
Essentially we haven't had that 

1035
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:49,100
in a long time out of a lot of 
these players. 

1036
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:51,600
So I think that's going to be 
the big question is, can we get 

1037
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,000
guys with individually good 
shooting games in these upcoming

1038
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,700
contests at home. 
So anyway gentlemen, this was a 

1039
00:50:57,707 --> 00:50:59,200
pleasure. 
I really appreciate you taking 

1040
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,300
the time to talk and we 
appreciate all you folks out 

1041
00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:04,300
there. 
Listening in to Crimson cast. 

1042
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:07,600
We will have podcast later in 
the week, where unfortunately, 

1043
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,000
we have to preview the bucket 
game. 

1044
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,600
We will do that. 
We'll also have more basketball 

1045
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,600
talk as we move forward. 
Be sure to check out Tony. 

1046
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:18,000
How do they get In the film 
room, go to the assembly call 

1047
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,700
Community, which I believe is 
Hoosiers. .M n.com and sign up 

1048
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:26,600
for the Assembly Hall community 
and you can get access to the IU

1049
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,000
film room from there and be sure
to do that. 

1050
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,400
Folks some great breakdowns of 
games and some some great 

1051
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,200
insights into what's going on on
the floor, from a basketball 

1052
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,600
mindset, to help. 
You better understand what's 

1053
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,900
going on. 
Scott, as always a pleasure 

1054
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:43,000
chatting with you, my friend, 
getting great plans for 

1055
00:51:43,008 --> 00:51:46,600
Thanksgiving coming up. 
I just going up to the family 

1056
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,900
and wife's family and Fort Wayne
and have a good time. 

1057
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:51,200
I saw see I love Thanksgiving. 
Thanksgiving traits like all 

1058
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,600
the, all the fun part of a 
holiday without all the extra 

1059
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,100
like buying presents and stuff. 
Satellite. 

1060
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:58,100
Scott, doesn't want to purchase 
you anything folks. 

1061
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,600
Anyway, thanks to thanks for 
listening to Crimson, cast for 

1062
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,900
Tony and Scott. 
I'm Galen will catch you folks 

1063
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:05,700
on the flip side, bring back the
Bison. 

1064
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:06,300
So long, everybody.