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I want to start kind of by 37 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:15,960 talking some national scene stuff. 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,800 We'll talk some IU stuff, we'll talk some Bloomington stuff and 39 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:23,400 hopefully kind of an array of things that'll be of interest to 40 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,960 people. But a lot going on obviously on 41 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,560 the national scene as we are still awaiting a ruling in the 42 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,320 House case, which of course is the case. 43 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,640 That could end up finally pushing the NCAA a little bit 44 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:43,240 closer into the direction of directly compensating athletes, 45 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:46,320 but also has a whole bevy of issues that go along with it. 46 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,880 And so, you know, where we're at right now is essentially that 47 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,200 there's been a pause in the process. 48 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,520 I remember talking like back in January or February about how 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,000 the settlement date was supposedly set for April 8th, 50 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,000 you know, which was the OR April 7th, I guess it was which was 51 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,520 the national championship day. That was supposed to be the day 52 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:07,880 that everything got settled on this. 53 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,760 Well, it didn't largely because the judge didn't like the roster 54 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,920 limits that had popped up in the midst of all of this and then 55 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:20,600 and didn't like the the general idea that people had essentially 56 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,960 been pushed out of college athletics as athletes. 57 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,880 You know, whether or not that's a primary concern, it's 58 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,160 certainly a concern to the judge. 59 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,240 And I think, you know, one of the things with these class 60 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,680 action lawsuits often times is, you know, if you agree to 61 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,600 something that's already caused harm to a group of people, that 62 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,160 can be problematic. And the problem, though, is 63 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,000 like, you know, college athletics essentially just 64 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,520 assumed that this thing was going to get rubber stamped. 65 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,000 They'd already made a lot of roster changes. 66 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,480 They'd already eliminated several positions. 67 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,120 And this is where I think, you know, college athletics 68 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,520 continues to walk this razor thin line of trying to maintain 69 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,080 whatever they're trying to claim amateurism is, while also 70 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,200 simultaneously looking at their balance sheets because their 71 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,320 businesses and saying, gosh, this isn't going to work. 72 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,360 We got to do some cuts, especially if we got to pay 20 73 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,920 plus $1,000,000 a year in revenue sharing to athletes. 74 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,800 And so this is I think it kind of a curious spot right now for 75 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,400 the judge to be in, for college athletics to be in. 76 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,200 You've got in this situation essentially where so many of 77 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,520 the. Things that we thought we're 78 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,400 going to be settled by this point aren't a lot of the NIL 79 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:40,400 deals that were being signed. Are now just kind of ensconced 80 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,760 in in law like they're not going anywhere. 81 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:45,920 Whereas, you know, for a while there there was this mad rush to 82 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,040 try to get as many as many nil deals signed prior to the 83 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,760 settlement date because the theory was that there were 84 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,320 financial rules were going to change. 85 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,720 Now it looks like. The financial rules may not 86 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,480 change, period. And it's interesting because 87 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,720 there was a. I'm trying to get the best way 88 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,200 to describe this earlier, but several people tweeted about 89 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,280 this. Essentially the nil clearing 90 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:13,040 house that Deloitte, the consulting company, is supposed 91 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,800 to be providing. First of all, they're calling it 92 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:20,360 Nil go, which might be the single stupidest thing name wise 93 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,080 I've heard in this entire process. 94 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,280 Nil go? Like what that Darren Hytner on, 95 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,760 on Twitter got a, a good joke where he's like, you know, what 96 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,200 would you call something that's meant to stop NIL deals as much 97 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,960 as possible? Well, of course you call it NIL 98 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,280 go because we are living in the upside down. 99 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:38,280 But no, the Deloitte clearing house. 100 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:41,360 I'm going to actually call this up and put it on the screen for 101 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,160 those of you who are watching 'cause I think it's, it's 102 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,360 interesting to kind of dig into this. 103 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,040 Let me see if I can like zoom in on this a little bit so 104 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,680 everybody can see what I'm talking about. 105 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,320 Let's see, that is not really visible. 106 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,320 I apologize. This is what happens when I try 107 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,880 to blow up something on Twitter. Let me go back and and not put 108 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,280 that on the screen. It's actually more readable the 109 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:07,520 way that it is right there. So summary of nil go. 110 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,800 I can't believe I might have to call this stupid thing nil. 111 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,000 Go. Purpose of nil go to efficiently 112 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,080 clear legitimate third party nil deals parentheses contract slash 113 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,600 payments with a total value of $600.00 or more. 114 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:22,600 To reflect. True. 115 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,000 Market dynamics for NIL deals without arbitrary value 116 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,400 regulation and to support enforcement institutions and 117 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,680 student athletes as part of the evolving collegiate athletics 118 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,440 landscape. So basically what they are 119 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:40,240 setting forward as how this will work is that they're going to 120 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,280 try to evaluate whether an individual or an entity is the 121 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:48,160 person giving the, the, the payout for the nil amount, 122 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,600 whether there's a valid business purpose verification. 123 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,720 I'm supposing that they think this is going to stop people 124 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,160 from getting paid half $1,000,000 to like have their 125 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,040 picture on a website. And then a range of compensation 126 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,640 analysis for every deal, a 12 point analysis assessing A 127 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,640 compensation aligns with similarly situated individuals, 128 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:12,280 incomparable deals, the primary user groups, obviously student 129 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,000 athletes or just athletes as we should be calling them 130 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,960 representatives of the athletes, institutional users and payers, 131 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,240 which of of course of the people who are actually supplying the 132 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,840 money. And what's interesting about 133 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:32,320 this, I think, is that the the, the deal review outcomes at the 134 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,320 very end, you go through this process that I just outlined and 135 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,280 this clearing house is supposed to give one of three statuses 136 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,440 cleared, not cleared in review. I guess information needed is 137 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,160 the 4th status, but that's like a kind of a temporary thing. 138 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:52,680 And if a deal is not cleared because it doesn't pass muster 139 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,960 according to these totally not arbitrary things that they're 140 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,760 putting down, they can do one of four things, renegotiate and 141 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,400 resubmit, proceed at risk of eligibility consequences, cancel 142 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,640 the deal or request neutral arbitration. 143 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,720 It's interesting because this. Clearing House does not. 144 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,960 Actually appear to have any power to stop deals themselves. 145 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,880 All they can do is say, well, you might be ineligible if you 146 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,680 proceed with this deal. Which is a really. 147 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,960 Strange loophole if you think about it, because that 148 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,840 essentially means that this whole thing could essentially 149 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,960 just be a facade where yes, we're going to have NIL deals 150 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,600 and yes, there's going to be deals that we're going to say 151 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,440 are not fair market value. But then what are they going to 152 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:37,679 do? They're going to refer to the 153 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,480 NCAA and the NCAA is going to try to turn around and tell an 154 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,400 athlete, sorry, you are ineligible because you've been 155 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:49,760 given this deal. I see lawsuits out the wazoo on 156 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,480 this like this is this this looks whoever at Deloitte signed 157 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,000 up for this and signed up for the the amount of money they're 158 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,800 going to be paid. To do this deal and to not have 159 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,760 like executive authority to cancel deals unilaterally based 160 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,000 upon the findings like that person deserves a raise, a 161 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,120 promotion, whatever, because that is a smart cookie. 162 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,080 This, this looks very much like the NC double as legal approach 163 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,320 with everything, which is we're going to throw a ton of lawyers 164 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,680 at something and if we don't like the finding in court, we're 165 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:21,640 going to throw even more lawyers at it. 166 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,880 Which has led to, of course, 10s of millions, hundreds of 167 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,160 millions of dollars over the course of the last 15 years of 168 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,120 the NCAA throwing money at lawyers to fix things. 169 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:33,080 It's been great for the lawyers, hasn't been great for really 170 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,720 anybody else. But it's interesting because 171 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,520 there was another piece to this that got revealed last week, 172 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,560 which, you know, again, came from Deloitte as Deloitte I, I 173 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:50,080 was either asked questions or was there was something going 174 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,000 on? It was a meeting. 175 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,800 I'm sorry. This was from Ross Dellinger 176 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,400 from Yahoo. And so he had a tweet. 177 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,360 On the 13th. So I think a couple days ago in 178 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,800 a meeting. With Deloitte officials at ACC 179 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,840 spring meetings. The company shared with a DS and 180 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,840 coaches interesting features on the NIL Clearinghouse, which is 181 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,440 kind of what I just quoted you, but according to their analysis, 182 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,360 based upon the criteria, 70% of past deals from Booster. 183 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,360 Collectives would have been denied, while 90% of deals from 184 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,840 public companies would have been approved. 185 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:27,280 Now this is a really interesting thing because obviously you know 186 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,880 one of the things that makes. NIL work or dare I say it, one 187 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:37,440 of the things that makes NIL go in this whole process is private 188 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:43,240 donors, private companies, you know, organizations of people or 189 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,280 people who are organizing themselves would be a better way 190 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,200 of putting it. Who are putting money towards 191 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,760 these NIL deals or individuals like the oil magnet at Texas 192 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,880 Tech or you know, some other folks that we could mention? 193 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,920 Who are amassing significant amounts of money in order to pay 194 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:03,240 for recruits, pay for transfers, pay for rosters and, you know, 195 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,600 for the clearing house to be set up in a way where it says, well, 196 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,720 sorry, the booster collectives aren't going to be allowed to do 197 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,080 this, but public companies can. I think really is an interesting 198 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,160 indicator of where the NCAA and the school's mindsets are at. 199 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,520 Which is where. The money is at that these 200 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,760 companies are looking for, or they did the athletic 201 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,880 departments are looking for. It's all from public companies, 202 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,040 it's all from businesses. The money that the athletic 203 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,000 departments would like to keep is the money from boosters. 204 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,400 It's the money from individual. Because that's if. 205 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,360 You know anything about college athletics, you know that, you 206 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,240 know, varsity clubs and you know all these, all the revenue 207 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,280 you're getting off of tickets and sweets and, and you know, 208 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,040 special dispensations for tickets and things like that. 209 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,160 It's all coming from individuals, often times rich 210 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,720 individuals. And yes, boosters have been used 211 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,840 essentially as a gigantic slush fund. 212 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,920 But that's because ultimately the power and how that money is 213 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:03,200 spread around is largely laying in the hands of the the athletic 214 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,000 departments and the individual schools and the coaches. 215 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,640 And to watch that flip to where it's going directly to athletes, 216 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,680 I think is is a real problem in the eyes of the NCAA. 217 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:16,440 So again, one of those things I saw that and I'm immediately 218 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,800 like, there's no way that some of these private individuals or 219 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,800 booster collectives are going to just sit back and allow the NCAA 220 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,840 through this third party, you know, clearing house to say, 221 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,160 sorry, your money's no good here. 222 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,560 But their money is there's it's it's unenforceable. 223 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:36,640 So we're going to wait to see what the final verdict looks 224 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,760 like in in the house case. They're they're supposed to be, 225 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,880 there was supposed to be a ruling tomorrow or at least the 226 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,480 final like rebuttal statements in what is supposed to be done 227 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,080 about the situation involving the roster limits. 228 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,320 But I don't know if the judge is going to find something there. 229 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,640 There was an early statement submitted by the plaintiffs, 230 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,240 which is housed and like that those lawyers saying, you know, 231 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,600 this works for the majority of people. 232 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,280 Why don't we continue with this? It's very fascinating how all of 233 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,200 this is is coming together. So I don't know if we're going 234 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,920 to see a resolution on this in the short term or not, but 235 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,760 that's kind of where things are at right now. 236 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,280 And I'm still promising to do a large deep dive on this is a 237 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,360 podcast series and just waiting for the dust to settle so we can 238 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,040 have a sense of what we're looking at officially. 239 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,160 But that's kind of where things are at with all of that. 240 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,120 And just kind of a curious set up here. 241 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,880 By and large, I don't think anybody really knows where it's 242 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,080 going to land. And so that is going to be quite 243 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,760 fascinating. I did and we had a couple of 244 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,640 comments here, William, saying ignorant fans will never view 245 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,120 athletes as employees, even though that's exactly what 246 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,840 they've become. It's why people like me catch up 247 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,480 because I demand productivity and excellence. 248 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,000 You know, it's, it's interesting. 249 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:55,080 I, I, I've often, often question this with the idea of, oh, 250 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,960 you're an employee, you know, you need to produce at a high 251 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,560 level. Like so much of this is now, I 252 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:05,480 think, misdirected at, at the idea that athletes at the 253 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,880 college level aren't trying hard. 254 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,920 Like organizations make decisions about athletes and 255 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,440 sport all the time. You know, and that isn't, that's 256 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:13,920 not just a domestic thing in the US. 257 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,960 This happens overseas. Like there's plenty of roster 258 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,920 spots given to guys who have a lot of value or good athletes. 259 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,520 Maybe they're not playing well. But you know, the idea that I, I 260 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,000 keep hearing floated about, oh, you're an employee, you're going 261 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,600 to have to play or act differently. 262 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,280 Like the culture of the sport is the culture of the sport. 263 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,520 And what I find interesting about this whole setup right now 264 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:41,000 in terms of how people perceive college athletes and the idea 265 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,680 that somehow that perception is going to fundamentally change if 266 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,560 they're classified as employees. I mean, look, I like, I, I have 267 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,040 employees that are students at Indiana in my roles by the 268 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,440 various roles that I do in media. 269 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,440 Like I have people that get paid to do work. 270 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,520 You know, the idea that you're getting paid and not doing work 271 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:04,880 is just not realistic. And with a team and with a team 272 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,320 full of, of athletes, a player having a series of bad games is 273 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,160 not the same as not performing and therefore not deserving the 274 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,880 money that you were you were granted. 275 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,720 Like that's what a contract is all about. 276 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,680 We, we pay you this money, you go do this and then we re 277 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,840 evaluate at the end of the contract unless you do something 278 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,320 egregious to break the contract. That's just how employment 279 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,360 works. So I I don't think that the 280 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,320 employment switch over is going to make that big of a 281 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,920 difference. It's a lot more accurate to the 282 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,960 actual situation with things with college athletics, at least 283 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,160 at the the highest levels of revenue producing sports than 284 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,680 what we have currently, which is essentially almost like, you 285 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,240 know, I would, I would actually argue right now by not being 286 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,400 listed as employees, by not having collective bargaining, 287 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,120 you're letting more athletes get away with, you know, not 288 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,880 performing or not doing what they should do because there is 289 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,320 no real way to officially say the money is tied to work. 290 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,200 The whole idea of employment is, well, the money's tied to work 291 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,080 right now. It's not. 292 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,760 And you've heard these stories from around college sports, 293 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:12,120 especially in the last year of NIL deals that were signed with 294 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,640 no enforcement provision on the part of the colleges because 295 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,200 they can't, because you, you're not supposed to be paying 296 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,800 athletes like for all of this. Like we don't want pay for play. 297 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,680 Anybody that's a fan that says you don't want pay for play, 298 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,560 you're, you actually do want pay for play Like you do want 299 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:35,720 somebody to play and have money tied to their actual execution 300 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,360 of that. You don't want a situation like 301 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,520 you've got right now where you got unenforceable contracts 302 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,120 because you can't tie it to the actual performance on the field 303 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,360 or even the performance of going out and doing autograph sessions 304 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,960 or whatever on behalf of the, of the university. 305 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,960 And so that's, there's a lot of paradoxes with the way that 306 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,360 people think about this. And it really does require, for 307 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,360 a lot of folks, I think, a real shift in mentality. 308 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,800 And I don't blame people for being confused about it. 309 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,560 It's just kind of a curious thing to think about in terms of 310 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,480 the the public perception of all of this. 311 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,400 Greg Lamont asks any thoughts on state legislation for NILIE, 312 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,040 Arkansas? So, you know what, I've been 313 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,760 fascinated. It's a great question, Greg. 314 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,119 I've been fascinated throughout the course of this entire saga 315 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:26,280 about this idea of states trying to leverage NIL legislation at 316 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:31,080 the state level to give the schools in their state a 317 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,880 competitive advantage in recruiting or in the transfer 318 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,560 portal or whatnot. And this happened before NIL was 319 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,600 actually a thing, you know, so before the Supreme Court 320 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,440 decision in Alston in two in 2021 that essentially threw the 321 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,880 doors open, it didn't, it didn't start NIL. 322 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,120 It simply said you can't regulate this the way that 323 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:53,120 you've been regulating at NCAA. You don't have any legal 324 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:56,160 standing. But prior to that, you started 325 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,840 to see and, and really in the immediate aftermath, a lot of 326 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,680 states passing NIL laws that they thought were going to give 327 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,200 them an advantage, but a lot of them had catches. 328 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,400 Like, you know, Texas passed a law saying you can make money on 329 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,480 NIL as a college athlete, but you can't make any as a high 330 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,200 school athlete. Which is what led Quin Ewers to 331 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,120 decommit from Texas, graduate high school a year early, move 332 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:22,080 to Ohio, commit to Ohio State, make NIL money there, only to 333 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,000 then transfer back to Texas once they once he was eligible to 334 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,600 make it, he made extra money that way. 335 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,320 California had a law that looked like it was going to be 336 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,280 inclusive, but there were all these restrictions in it. 337 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,320 The states that didn't have NIL laws that they passed, Indiana 338 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,920 being one of them, actually ended up giving their schools a 339 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,760 competitive advantage. Not everybody took advantage of 340 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,600 the competitive advantage, but the the the states that didn't 341 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,200 have laws essentially allowed the schools to make their own 342 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,000 decisions about name, image and likeness and how that was going 343 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,640 to flow. And now this is a little bit of 344 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,920 a different thing because what Greg is referring to about 345 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:05,000 Arkansas was a bill that was passed and I think was signed by 346 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:12,840 the governor of Arkansas that basically exempts NIL deals from 347 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,360 state taxes and also exempts them from FOIA requests. 348 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:20,000 So for those who don't know, a FOIA request is a Freedom of 349 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,560 Information Act request. And essentially what that says 350 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,320 is. Public records or records tied 351 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,120 to public entities like universities. 352 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,680 Can be subject to open records request because they are in the 353 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,840 the public sphere and and therefore are things that are of 354 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,640 public interest. So, you know, you've seen a 355 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,160 situation like it in Georgia where technically NIL deals are 356 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,640 subject to FOIA, but the university has slow walked or 357 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,680 just not responded to some of those FOIA requests. 358 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,920 This actually ensconces in Arkansas law, you know, you 359 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,600 know, basically publicity rights. 360 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,080 And I don't think Arkansas may not have had any publicity 361 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,720 rights at this prior to this. A lot of states don't have 362 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,000 publicity right laws. But basically it says if you 363 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:12,320 make money through NIL now you cannot FOIA the contract and you 364 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,280 also are exempt from being taxed at the state level off of that 365 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,920 income. And, you know, I think that's 366 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,400 one of those fascinating things where athletes might have a 367 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,320 minor, a minorly less financial burden for a large NIL deal. 368 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,840 And and look, any money that's taxed is going to be some money 369 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,720 that you're not having to deal with. 370 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,400 But like, it's not as big of an advantage as people might think. 371 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,560 For instance, like Florida doesn't have any income tax 372 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,840 period. You know, Texas doesn't have any 373 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,400 income tax. I think Tennessee doesn't have 374 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,160 any income tax either. I think they've just got a state 375 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,440 sales tax. And so there's, there's already 376 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,120 some protections built into some of the places that have income 377 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:55,480 taxes about protecting money like this from those items. 378 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,120 Greg, Greg apparently an expert on Arkansas income tax. 379 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:03,160 I'll save a 4% income tax above 25,000 a year. 380 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,880 Well, that's, that's a fairly sizable chunk of money. 381 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:09,240 So this does help from that perspective. 382 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,360 I don't know that it's going to make that big of a difference 383 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:17,080 though in as much as at the end of the day, you know, you're not 384 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,560 talking about something that couldn't be overcome with a a 385 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,000 slightly better deal being offered from somebody else. 386 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,160 Like you're not talking about an insane difference in money. 387 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,800 You know, if you're, if you're going to give somebody say a 388 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:34,760 $500,000 NIL deal and you know, you're looking at a situation 389 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,200 where you need to overcome the fact that Arkansas isn't taxing 390 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,200 them on the 4%, you're talking about extra $20,000. 391 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,480 Now that does add up after a while, but how many, how many 392 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,280 battles does every school need to win against Arkansas in 393 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,200 recruiting? So it might help Arkansas a 394 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,080 little bit, but I think Arkansas, the, the city, the, 395 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,880 the, the schools in Arkansas have bigger problems than just 396 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,280 their income tax in terms of trying to attract talent. 397 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,200 You know a lot of that being. You know it's. 398 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,080 Just not a premier location in the SEC and you're fighting a 399 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,640 lot of other reputational items there that that, you know, if 400 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,560 you you get a small advantage. I just don't know that it's 401 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,720 enough. But I do think that you're going 402 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,760 to see states continuing to jockey for this. 403 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:19,160 And that I think is the most important thing is like what 404 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,720 people don't understand. And, and this is where the, 405 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,120 this, this Commission that Donald Trump wants to put 406 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,480 together that would involve Nick Saban and others. 407 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,360 It's, it's not something that can be solved at the federal 408 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:33,400 level because there's no federal right of publicity laws. 409 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,800 There's no, I mean, you got federal income tax that applies 410 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,080 to everybody, but every state has the ability to individually 411 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,720 self regulate some of these things. 412 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,640 You can't fix all of that at the national level unless you put in 413 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,400 like a national right of publicity law, which is very 414 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,080 much unlikely to happen given that right of publicity extends 415 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,440 well beyond athletics and extends to things like acting. 416 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,960 And you know the? The other performing arts, you 417 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,800 know, that's where a lot of this originally came from. 418 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,880 So I do think it's going to be really fascinating watching all 419 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,960 of this play out. I think the Arkansas things 420 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,720 worth keeping an eye on. But like many of those NIL based 421 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,680 laws that we saw pop up, you know, right around 2019-2020, 422 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,280 2021, I don't know that they made that big of a difference. 423 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,920 Like we haven't seen any states or any schools in particular, 424 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,280 states making out like gangbusters because of the laws 425 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,400 that were passed in their states. 426 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,680 They're making out like gangbusters because like in 427 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,200 Texas Tech's case, they have a rich guy who really wants Texas 428 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,800 Tech to be good at football and basketball. 429 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,160 And he's just, you know, essentially just making it rain 430 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,640 in Lubbock. And that's bringing athletes in. 431 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,760 That's really the big thing at this point. 432 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,000 The question is, how much are you making it rain? 433 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,360 I mean, I don't know if you folks have seen this, but there 434 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,160 was a note I saw the other day, I think it was Kurt Signetti 435 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,400 that mentioned it. Like the salary cap, even though 436 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,160 there's not supposed to be 1, but like, what's what it's 437 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,040 costing to have a roster at the top levels of college football 438 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,480 right now? Ryan Day two years ago said it 439 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:05,800 was about 15 to $17 million. Kurt Signetti this summer said 440 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,520 it was 40 million. Dollars $40 million, I mean 441 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,680 that's that's crazy That is that is a lot of money that's come in 442 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,400 and it's one of those situations where that's got that's the 443 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,360 thing that's got you got to get a handle on and I don't know I I 444 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,760 I. I'll back up. 445 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,280 I do know the NCAA and its schools are not up to that task 446 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,440 because they consistently refuse to acknowledge what business 447 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,000 they're in, except for maybe Kentucky, as Kent Beckman points 448 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,520 out, Kentucky forming an LLCA viable alternative. 449 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,600 So here's the thing about the LLC with Kentucky Athletic. 450 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,400 So for those who didn't see and don't know, like a limited 451 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,280 liability corporation, this is a private entity which they are 452 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,320 forming, which will allow them, they think to raise more money 453 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,920 than they would as a public entity. 454 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,800 And So what they've planned on doing, and I'm kind of borrowing 455 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,040 this off of an SI article that was written by James Parks. 456 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,840 But so the the trustees of University of Kentucky approved 457 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,040 a proposal to transfer their entire athletic department into 458 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,120 a limited liability corporation, which they believe will allow 459 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,640 them to explore things like public private partnerships, 460 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,440 handling expenses, as you know, through that process rather than 461 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,080 handling them as a public entity. 462 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,480 And you know what I think is going to be fascinating about 463 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,160 this? You know, Kentucky makes about 464 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,520 $160 million in revenue every year. 465 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,400 They are not up in the Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, Texas A&M 466 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,040 echelon. But there are solidly in that 467 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,800 next year Indiana's in this tier as well. 468 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,160 And what's going to be interesting with the LLC model? 469 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,080 There are upsides and downsides to this approach. 470 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,040 The upside is obviously you do have a lot more flexibility. 471 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,440 Like I don't think people understand how absolutely 472 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,960 complicated trying to do partnerships at the college 473 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,560 level is if it's not directly related to education. 474 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,000 It's doable, but it's very Byzantine at at a bunch of 475 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,600 places, Indiana being among them. 476 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,480 And at the end of the day, an athletic department is not a for 477 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,520 profit entity. It is a nonprofit entity. 478 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,560 That's that's all essentially outside of the private schools 479 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,200 who have a different model. Often times you're not supposed 480 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,760 to make money as an athletic department. 481 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,320 This is always why, you know when when you'd get people who 482 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,040 would loudly proclaim, well, nobody's making money in college 483 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,760 athletics, like only 5 athletic departments were profitable. 484 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,200 It's like, yes, congratulations, that's the point. 485 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,840 What's like, Why do you think that that's a special thing for 486 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,240 you to say? You know if. 487 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,960 Indiana makes $100 million in revenue in athletics. 488 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,680 They need to spend $100 million in, in, in, in cash to 489 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,880 demonstrate that they're not turning a profit because like 490 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,760 the where else is it going to go? 491 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,600 So what you've seen over the course of time is these athletic 492 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,640 departments not being able to do what businesses would do and 493 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,680 hoard cash or invest things or, you know, do the traditional 494 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,880 capital improvements because they're they're supposed to be 495 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,600 as close to budget neutral as possible. 496 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,720 And So what you end up is, is with this situation where you 497 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,480 can't operate like a business. You have to operate in this 498 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,360 weird nether region between a public entity and a private 499 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:29,040 entity, but with all of the negatives of the public entity 500 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,680 and none of the vantages of the private entity. 501 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,800 Now, the the flip side of that is you don't pay taxes money, 502 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,680 what you do have to do as a private entity. 503 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,200 And that's going to be kind of the interesting thing, you know, 504 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,680 can Kentucky square this where they're not paying taxes on the 505 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,680 money that they're bringing in through the LOCII? 506 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,520 Don't think that's going to happen. 507 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,200 But the flip side of it is, you know, there's, there's likely 508 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,120 ways that they can attribute this to an educational process, 509 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,000 provided we keep the current system where there's a direct 510 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,760 connection in terms of enrollment and whatnot with the 511 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,600 athletes and the university. So I think it's an interesting 512 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,240 strategy. I do think that the fact that 513 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,680 maybe maybe there's another school that's done this, but 514 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,600 this is the first one that I've seen, the fact that everybody 515 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,040 isn't jumping on this bandwagon immediately should tell you that 516 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:21,160 this is perhaps not a universally accepted or 517 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,560 preferred method of going about handling this. 518 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,320 And I think it's going to be interesting to see how all that 519 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,200 plays out as we see what the house settlement ends up being. 520 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,800 So, So I don't know if they've actually done the transfer yet 521 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,960 or if they've got the approval for it and they're just waiting. 522 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,920 It could be that you've got other schools. 523 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,520 Ready to do something similar to what Kentucky's doing. 524 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,920 But gosh, who knows at this point. 525 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,680 It's it's really wild. John Kaluter, our old friend. 526 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,040 True or false? All this nil miss mess can be 527 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,920 traced back to Ricky Rowe and the tractor. 528 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,120 I think maybe John Huber Ozzi chiming in. 529 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,160 Oh, let me find this here. I'm old enough to know that 530 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,040 unregulated commerce brings along thieves and scams. 531 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,280 Who's looking out for the players? 532 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,560 So this is an interesting thing. There have been no more strident 533 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:12,520 opponents to agents in college sports than college athletic 534 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,160 departments. And this is something it's funny 535 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,920 if you go back and you watch, I can't remember if it's the 87 536 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,520 semi final against UNLV or the 87 final against Syracuse. 537 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,400 The Indiana games halftime show of one of those games. 538 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,320 There's like a special that they do and it's on the the YouTube 539 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,160 copy that I put up on on YouTube where they're interviewing like 540 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,160 Dale Brown and a couple of other people. 541 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,360 And even during the game, there's mentions of like the 542 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,680 agents, you know, Brent Musburger calls them flesh 543 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,280 peddlers who go on campus and basically talk basketball 544 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,720 players into committing for the draft. 545 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,760 And then they never get drafted. And they're they're, you know, 546 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,360 basketball dreams are over. It's a very parochial way of 547 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,200 going about things and thinking about agents as being the evil 548 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,280 ones. And you know, college was where 549 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,560 they were safe. College they were going to be 550 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,760 taking care of. They were going to get an 551 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:02,840 education. Everything was fought. 552 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,760 Of course, this is also this is the mid 80s when you know, 553 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,800 Memphis State has an entire team like not graduate. 554 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,480 I think Villanova won the national title and maybe like 555 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,360 half their players were epidemically eligible the next 556 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,480 year. Maybe it wasn't Villanova, It 557 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,920 might have been somebody else. But you know, it's, it's 558 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,040 hilarious thinking about that, thinking about SMU, thinking 559 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,840 about the entire back story of the mid 80s and then all of this 560 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,880 like, well, agents are bad. You shouldn't trust agents. 561 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,160 One of my big complaints through this entire process has been the 562 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,760 unwillingness of colleges and universities to assist their own 563 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,400 athletes in legal advice, tax advice, all of the things that 564 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,560 you need and often times that not just an athlete, but an 565 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,480 athlete's family is not prepared for. 566 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,760 And this is completely on purpose by the NCAA. 567 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,160 And its member schools, they want this to be as hard as 568 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,880 possible. They want making money as a 569 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,240 college athlete to be as hard as possible. 570 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,320 And they want to be able to turn around and say, see, we told you 571 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,080 you're getting screwed by this agent. 572 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,160 And and as Super Ozzy points out, rumors are players are 573 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,720 paying like between 8% and 20%. Agents add taxes and family. 574 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,120 You can see why kids want more and more. 575 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,680 I mean, that's half of it. The other half is the price 576 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,800 keeps going up because market value is much greater and 577 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,640 everybody wants to win in college sports. 578 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,240 So I don't think it's just the students. 579 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,200 Here we go. Devil D saving me here. 580 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,040 It was the title game. He was referring to Derek 581 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,160 Coleman. So there you go. 582 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:37,080 But the but The thing is this like the the agent side of 583 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,400 things, the NCAA wants to introduce like an agent registry 584 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,800 and all of this, but they want to approve all of the people. 585 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,200 And I think that a lot of actual agents who are representing 586 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,320 athletes right now have made some really good points. 587 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,520 Which is that the NCAA is notorious for watching out for 588 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,640 the NCAA schools are notorious for watching out for themselves. 589 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,640 And this fiction that somehow you can't trust an agent, but 590 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,640 you can trust the athletic department. 591 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,240 And if you're an athlete is is silly. 592 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,440 And it's not to say that all athletic departments are bad, 593 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,120 but look, at the end of the day, it's business and business 594 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,600 decisions get made. And the idea that, you know, 595 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,720 that I've seen floated that athletes shouldn't be allowed to 596 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,320 have agents. It's like, so you want a 597 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,680 situation where only one side has representation. 598 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,600 I saw Bubba Cunningham had a quote about this kind of 599 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,640 obliquely, where he's like, well, you know, I'm in favor of 600 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,560 collective bargaining, but I don't think athletes should be 601 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,360 employees. And it's like, well. 602 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,320 Who are you collectively? Bargaining with then like what's 603 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,600 the, what's the class of people that you're bargaining with at 604 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,760 that point? And if they're not allowed to 605 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,440 unionize and you, you have to and then Bubarazzi just just 606 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,040 brought that up. If you're not allowed, if you're 607 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,800 not employees, you can't unionize. 608 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,560 And if you can't? Unionize. 609 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,000 You don't have collective representation, so you want to 610 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,120 have a situation where the colleges and the universities 611 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,240 and their athletic departments have all of the power in the 612 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,760 negotiation process, but the other party can't use an agent 613 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,840 or has to use an agent that the other side has approved. 614 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,680 That's that's take that out of college athletics. 615 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,960 And put it in any other form of business in the United States 616 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,200 and tell me how long that lasts before getting sued into 617 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,760 oblivion is would be what I would say there. 618 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,640 These are again, these are emancipated adults. 619 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,240 These are 18 year olds. And this is a business where you 620 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,960 can make a lot of money and it costs money. 621 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,720 I mean, anybody that's got money, like, I don't know, a 622 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,480 millionaire that doesn't have an attorney and an accountant. 623 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,040 You know, this is just, this is part of the cost of doing 624 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,640 business. But it kind of reminds me of 625 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,560 that argument that I we heard for years that athletes wouldn't 626 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,480 want to be paid because athletes would have to pay taxes on the 627 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,000 money. And it's like, would you rather 628 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,320 have the money and pay some of it in taxes or not have the 629 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,360 money at all? I know which one I would choose. 630 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,640 So to go back to the original question about who's looking out 631 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,760 for the athletes right now, sadly, it's only the athletes 632 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,880 that are watching out for themselves because they haven't 633 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,200 been permitted to classify as employees and have a union. 634 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,560 And it would be a complicated thing to do. 635 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,840 But it's why I don't really feel bad about these colleges and 636 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,880 universities who are dealing with agents who are looking out 637 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,639 for their clients. They're looking out for their 638 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,400 best interests. They're shopping them around. 639 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,280 And, you know, we've gotten used to laughing at guys. 640 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,840 There was one guy that just committed, I think to Vanderbilt 641 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,080 who had been committed to Oklahoma, who had been committed 642 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,960 to several other places. And people were joking about it. 643 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,040 But you know, even with the amalavela stuff at the end of 644 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,120 the day. A lot of these contracts aren't 645 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,239 enforceable. And they're very one sided in as 646 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,520 much as the schools have a lot of power to do what they want. 647 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,520 Athletes are exercising that power. 648 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,280 And shockingly, the schools don't like that. 649 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,440 So this is where, again, you either need as an industry, 650 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,000 college sports needs to just agree that, hey, guess what? 651 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,760 We're a business. These are professional athletes. 652 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,640 They make money off of this. We have to set something up 653 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,680 that's going to allow us to deal with it honestly. 654 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,200 And we need to recognize that the people that are playing our 655 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,840 employees now, it's funny, people are complaining about the 656 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,720 escalating costs. I, I saw something today that 657 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,160 like the estimation is, I think it was Evan Miyakawa had this, 658 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,240 that IU has spent like 10.1 million in portal signings so 659 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,880 far, which is the highest in new portal signings. 660 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,920 Obviously, you know, you've got players that are likely getting 661 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,840 paid a lot of money to stay at their schools. 662 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,840 But you know, the rumor that I think Boogie Flan might be 663 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,800 commanding like 6 or $7,000,000 to go land somewhere at college. 664 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,200 And that's why I pulled out of the draft. 665 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,520 I pull out of the draft too 'cause that's more money in one 666 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,280 year than I would make in my first year. 667 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,160 Really I think in my first two years as like a mid first round 668 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,240 draft pick and and like more money you'd earn in three years 669 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,840 if you were a low first round pick. 670 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,640 And so the money is stupid right now, but people are missing why 671 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,240 the money is stupid. The money is not stupid because 672 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,440 athletes are greedy. The money is stupid because 673 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,200 colleges are stupid, OK, Colleges are acting stupidly 674 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,720 about this and that, you know, we keep getting walked down this 675 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:14,200 pathway of no return where you're going to have a 676 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,080 completely unregulated marketplace and it's going to 677 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,400 shove a ton of. Schools off the table who are 678 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,760 just going to be like, we literally can't compete. 679 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,560 It essentially is kind of what happened with European soccer 680 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,240 where if you know, unless you are really lucky. 681 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,400 You the Champions League is off limits, your domestic league is 682 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,960 off limits. There's a lot of that. 683 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,000 You know, you really just need to take a hard, honest look at 684 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,840 and standardize. And obviously a lot of it is 685 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,560 waiting on what happens with this house settlement. 686 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,520 Even if the house settlement gets blown up after a short 687 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,040 period of time, you know, William saying how soon before 688 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:55,320 school start trading athletes? I mean, that's, it's an 689 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,880 interesting question. It kind of comes along the same 690 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,600 lines of one of the things I've floated on this podcast before, 691 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,240 which is this idea of, well, maybe, maybe you need a 692 00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:08,440 developmental system much like you have in baseball or much 693 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,840 like you have in soccer, where, you know, instead of a free 694 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,800 agency and a practice roster. What if Indiana, I'm sorry for 695 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,200 those of you who have heard me say this before, what if Indiana 696 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,720 in Indiana State got together and said, all right, we're going 697 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:29,680 to recruit 150 football players to be part of what, you know, 698 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,440 what we're doing. And we're going to send our 699 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,040 developmental squad or our guys that haven't really performed 700 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,480 over to Terre Haute and they're going to play in, what is it, 701 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,200 the Ohio Valley Conference. I think they're going to play at 702 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,120 the one AA level. They're going to season, they're 703 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,960 going to get better. They're going to get practice. 704 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,200 They're going to play against live competition. 705 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,840 And then we can call people up as we want to. 706 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,680 We can send people down, we can do. 707 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,440 The same thing with basketball. We got 20 guys, we got some 708 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,440 developmental guys. They'll go play in the home and 709 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,240 center. We'll have the rest of the 710 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:59,240 players here in Bloomington. You know, that system kind of 711 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,080 makes sense because there's no way in the. 712 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,760 Estate is going to be able to compete in this system. 713 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,600 There's no way Ball State's going to be able to compete in 714 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,200 this system. You can still get some good, you 715 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,160 know, fringe players that fall through the cracks. 716 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,880 But as we've seen. By Indiana's own roster, they 717 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,600 are going to be tricky laid up. Why not have a more stable 718 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,400 system, which is what the NBA does? 719 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,640 You know, it's like there's so many examples in. 720 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:28,040 Professional sports of how to do this effectively that the NCAA 721 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,360 should just embrace or a successor organization that says 722 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,960 we can't keep doing what we're doing. 723 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,280 We need to do something different if we want to retain 724 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,880 the spirit of this as a developmental league that a lot 725 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,360 of people really love because they have emotional attachment 726 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,160 to the teams. They may, you know, they have 727 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,640 emotional attachment with the players. 728 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,600 But we also can't have Walter Clayton or not Walter Clayton. 729 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,520 We can't have Boogie Flan making more money than the first 730 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,080 overall pick in the draft. Like, that's stupid, but it also 731 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,000 kind of underlines how much of A business college athletics is 732 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,320 the fact that Florida, who just won the national title, could 733 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,280 scrape enough money together in NIL just to easily pay Boogie 734 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,240 Flan $7,000,000 for one year and flush out a roster that's going 735 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,160 to contend for. A title, that is. 736 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,240 Truly stupid, but it also truly indicates how much money is in 737 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:21,640 college sports, and so let's just acknowledge it as opposed 738 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,160 to keep acting like it's not existing would be how I would 739 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,120 look at it. So anyway, I didn't want to talk 740 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,120 all college sports on this. I didn't want to talk about a 741 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,520 couple of other things. One of them is the impressive 742 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,640 week that we've seen out of IU basketball in terms of the 743 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,440 offers that they're making across the board for those who 744 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,360 have not been following IU, been throwing a ton of offers all 745 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,000 out. And it just kind of it 746 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,600 underlines, I think both the ambition of this staff and I 747 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,000 think kind of how they are looking at moving forward. 748 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,160 Like this is not, you know, we heard so much from the defenders 749 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:06,120 of the Woodson regime that. There was no value in going 750 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,760 after high school players, right? 751 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,640 It was just go in the portal. That's where you're going to 752 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,720 find players. And as we've talked about on 753 00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,200 this show, you can do that to some degree and you're going to 754 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,240 have to fill spots. I think everybody's doing that 755 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:21,480 right now, but the flip side of it is you got to get good young 756 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,000 players like top level, you know, and again, this is you're 757 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,680 talking about players one through 80, the the mythical 758 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,360 sweet spot that Mike Weemuth talks about on X's and Joe's, a 759 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,800 great podcast about college basketball that many of you 760 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,440 should watch. It's on the back home network, 761 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,680 you know, the, the, you have to have that mix. 762 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,720 You have to have top 80 players, ideally top 30 through 80, maybe 763 00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:45,400 slightly more because now you can pay guys. 764 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,640 So now it's not a matter of you get a top 30 guys on it 765 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,320 automatically going to commit to the draft. 766 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,280 You can keep some of those guys if you got the financial 767 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,080 wherewithal under the current system to keep them rolling. 768 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,720 But some of the names that Indiana's pulled in, and I'm 769 00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:01,440 going to credit Mike Schumann in the Daily Hoosier, they've been 770 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,600 doing a good job of, of keeping a list of the offers that I use 771 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,280 made. Latrelle Allman, 6 foot 8 772 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,840 forward from Virginia, Sammy Jackson, 6 foot 7 wing from 773 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,880 Philadelphia, Ethan Taylor, 7 foot one center, Jordan Smith, 774 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,680 junior, who's a guard out of Virginia. 775 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,240 These are not places Indiana's been recruiting lately. 776 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:25,720 They can you can just absolutely feel the, the, the Kenny Johnson 777 00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:28,320 influence here. You can feel the Drew Adams 778 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,440 influence. Prince Alexander Moody, 6 foot 4 779 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,120 guard from Virginia, 6 foot 8 forward from Florida. 780 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,400 Caleb Gaskins, Davian Adkins, 6 foot 8 forward from Texas. 781 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,200 Anthony Thompson. Now, no, not that Anthony 782 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,320 Thompson, but a six foot 7 wing from Ohio. 783 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,120 Tay Kenny 6 foot guard from Kentucky. 784 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,560 I mean, and you've got rumors of other offers and these are all 785 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,520 the 2026 class. So you've got like I. 786 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,920 Think it's like. 16 or 17 offers right now, like Indiana is 787 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,440 really pumping these out at this point. 788 00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:00,480 And they're also looking at offering players in the 2027 789 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,720 class Ryan Hampton, Chase Branham, Jason Gardner, Junior. 790 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,880 So this is a really, this is exactly what I thought you would 791 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,200 see. And this is where we were 792 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,600 preaching patients with IU, this idea that they were getting a 793 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,440 slow start. They were really just getting 794 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,200 the the staff together. You know, you got Rod Clark in 795 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,800 from Tennessee. Now you've got you've got a 796 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,280 recruiting staff. You got a group that's out there 797 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,240 hitting the pavement, selling the vision that Darren Devries 798 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,080 has for what he wants this roster to be. 799 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,400 And I think that what we're seeing. 800 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,280 Out of all of this is that. Yeah. 801 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,960 And it's, I don't think this is a Tom Crane approach as, as 802 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,040 Super Ozzy just asked, I don't think this is a Tom Crane 803 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,520 approach. It's not all for everybody. 804 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,960 What I think they're trying to do is get a sense of where 805 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,280 Indiana's money and reputation are right now in this mix. 806 00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:58,320 And if you look at this roster, this 2526 roster. 807 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,760 That Indiana's. Got this is probably the last 808 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,480 time we're ever going to see under Darren Devries this type 809 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,520 of an approach because they won't need it next time. 810 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,760 Like I, you know, let's be frank, like Indiana, the, the, 811 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,400 the cupboard was really bare of players that matched Aaron 812 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,840 Devries's system and matched, I think, his ideal of how players 813 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,360 play together and work together. And So what? 814 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,040 You've got is this situation where now he's got a chance. 815 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,760 He's got a whole recruiting cycle in front of him. 816 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,280 He's got ace recruiters who know different parts of the country 817 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,760 can sell that vision, can get him in rooms with people. 818 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,960 And now it's a matter of they can showcase what he's done at 819 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,240 Drake, they can showcase what he's done at West Virginia. 820 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,640 But it'll take, I think, some initial looks at what's going on 821 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,160 at IU to sell those guys on the idea of what it looks like for 822 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,840 them in an Indiana uniform. And there's a lot of players 823 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,040 here. I just don't think that you 824 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,400 would have seen Mike Woodson and his staff offering because they 825 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,080 were going off of a completely different model. 826 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,600 And I don't think that's the model that they were pursuing. 827 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:05,920 Works in college basketball today. 828 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,680 So I'm excited about the fact that you've seen this explosion 829 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,080 and offers. It's like they hit the ground 830 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,120 running as soon as May got started. 831 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,760 I don't know what that's going to mean, but the one thing I'm 832 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,440 noticing with a lot of these guys is, you know, with a couple 833 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,880 of exceptions aside, it's a ton of guys between 6 foot 5 and 6 834 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,960 foot 8. They they all look like they can 835 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,200 shoot and. Defend it. 836 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,560 It reminds me a lot of the way the Pacers put their roster 837 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,160 together. And it reminds me a lot of this 838 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,880 idea of let's have exchangeable parts, which we're we've seen in 839 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,040 the way that Debris has pieced together his portal roster for 840 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,880 this upcoming year. But we're going to call this the 841 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,840 portal roster. I think from this point forward, 842 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,120 this idea of you got a couple of ace shooters, you got a couple 843 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,120 of guys that can distribute, you got guys that can run to the 844 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,600 rim. You're going to focus a lot on 845 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,520 shooting percentage offensively. You're going to focus on tempo. 846 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,520 You're going to focus on trying to create mismatches on the 847 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,560 perimeter, which should open up the interior. 848 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,360 And by doing that, you create a situation where you're very hard 849 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,080 to defect and yeah, you're going to run into situations where you 850 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,240 have a real big guy that's a problem or like a do everything 851 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:19,600 combo guard. But this is a winning formula 852 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,840 just in terms of what I'm seeing them offer now. 853 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,120 Obviously they've got to land them. 854 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:25,800 But I'm really encouraged by what we're seeing with IU 855 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,360 basketball and the way that they're doing recruiting at this 856 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,520 point. So I'm excited to see where that 857 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,880 lands. And you know, that, you know, I 858 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,960 don't know that we would anticipate any commits anytime 859 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,800 soon. I think that comes later on, 860 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,560 obviously in the fall. But I'm really interested to see 861 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,920 who buys in early because as we've seen, that can really lead 862 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,160 to getting a nice cluster of players that buy into the vision 863 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,960 simultaneously, see how they work as complementary parts. 864 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,480 And there's going to be playing time because one of the things 865 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,640 that we've noted in this portal class is it's an old class, lot 866 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,240 of 4th and 5th year guys think there's a sixth year guy. 867 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,400 These are not players are going to be around Bloomington very 868 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,720 long. There's going to be a couple of 869 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:06,440 pieces that should stick around for two years as a transition 870 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,280 point. But I think what you're seeing 871 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,680 out of these offers with additional portal signings next 872 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,400 year, you're going to see a lot more of a mix. 873 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,560 And so you know this approach. I think by year three, maybe 874 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,800 even year 2, you could be a really, really competitive team 875 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,640 athletically shooting wise. You know, I this could really 876 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,360 accelerate the growth curve of what the debris era looks like 877 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,560 if it all fits together. And obviously all of this is 878 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,320 speculative, but I like what I'm seeing so far. 879 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,520 And at the end of the day, it's, it's May 15th. 880 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,040 We've got plenty of time to kind of go through all of this stuff. 881 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:43,600 Greg. Lamont asked. 882 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,360 Curious when waivers will be determined. 883 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,760 Unless it's early June, I wonder if Goody and Leo travel for the 884 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,000 summer trip. So, you know, the Leo and Goody 885 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,200 things are fascinating from a, you know, I think I still think 886 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,200 Goody has a better argument than Leo And you know, I, but I also 887 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,160 think Indiana's pretty much done pulling people in right now. 888 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,080 I think if they were going to pull a 12th and 13th person on 889 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,520 the roster, they would have done it already. 890 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,520 I still think Goody is going to get his waiver. 891 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,840 I think some of the things that we're seeing elsewhere indicate 892 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,680 that that's the case. Leo, maybe, you know, and, and 893 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,840 that's going to be an interesting one just 'cause I, I 894 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:26,400 don't know that the NCAA is completely dead in terms of 895 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,600 being able to say sorry that does that does count versus that 896 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,040 doesn't count. I think with injuries it's a 897 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,000 little bit different. Now Leo may have actually been 898 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,440 injured. There may be paperwork that goes 899 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,320 along with that, but you know, this is where you really get 900 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,760 into Gray areas as far as evaluating whether somebody was 901 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,200 eligible versus whether they were not. 902 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,560 And we'll see. But to your answer, your 903 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,520 question, no, I, you know, I, I think that if they're, I think 904 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,120 if they're eligible, they'll go to Puerto Rico regardless of 905 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,040 when the waivers come down. I am anticipating we'll probably 906 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,720 know something about goodies situation. 907 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,880 I have no inside info, but I think by I would be surprised if 908 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,920 we didn't hear something by say, the end of May, maybe even the 909 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,760 end of next week. Again, no inside info, just a 910 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,720 gut feeling based upon some of the rulings that I'm seeing 911 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,280 coming down, some of which I think look pretty favorable to 912 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,720 the case. Of of goody. 913 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:32,840 Chad asking, I'm not going to answer that, not let's see here. 914 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,840 Let's switch to football real quick. 915 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,880 So Greg asks Illinois football seemingly riding the Indiana 916 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,560 away from last year all the way into the top 15 of the early top 917 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:48,320 25 seems a little fabricated. It is interesting that when you 918 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,000 look at the over unders that Vegas is setting and then you 919 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,280 look at the top 20 fives, you can see like media tend to buy 920 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,880 into narratives and the narrative all like coming out of 921 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,880 last year. Coming out of bowl season was, 922 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,760 oh, Illinois is going. To be great next year because 923 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,960 they bring back Altmire, they bring back a bunch of other 924 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,680 folks and yet, you know, and they're ranked I think somewhere 925 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,360 between 10th and 12th in most polls. 926 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,120 I think I got 1 poll. I saw that in. 8th. 927 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,080 Which like, OK, but then you look at the over unders that 928 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,840 Vegas sets and you know, Vegas is paid to know how these things 929 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,520 work. Brett Mcmurphy put this up the 930 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,680 other day. But the over unders, Ohio State 931 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:35,440 and Oregon both at 10 1/2. Penn State 10 and then Indiana 932 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,480 and Michigan are 4th and 5th. They're tied for fourth, I guess 933 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,080 in the conference at 8 1/2 wins. Where is Illinois, 7 1/2 tied 934 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,040 with Washington, who nobody's talking about as a ranked team? 935 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,880 Iowa, who's on the fringes? Nebraska and USC get talked 936 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,520 about because they're Nebraska and USC. 937 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,440 But it is interesting, like we've seen polls where Indiana 938 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:59,040 isn't in them at all. And, you know, this is this is I 939 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,120 I would almost liken what's happening with Indiana football 940 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,640 in the polls to this is the backlash. 941 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,280 And there's this idea that, oh, Indiana lost Curtis Rourke. 942 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,120 They lost, you know, several key pieces. 943 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,560 They're not going to be as good. Last year was lightning in a 944 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,240 bottle. The schedule was too easy. 945 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,800 All of this. And realistically, when I look 946 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,040 at what Indiana brought in, I mean, they've got, I mean, it is 947 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,960 fascinating trying to take that narrative in the college media 948 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,440 space where the frankly, it seems like there's a ton of 949 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,400 people, especially at CBS, who have a vested interest in 950 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,960 arguing that Indiana's not good. I don't get it. 951 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,760 I really don't understand the mentality. 952 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,000 But they they're, I don't know if there's like an internal 953 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,360 like. Bonus pool that. 954 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,400 CBS is paying out. I'm mostly kidding about this, 955 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,960 but like I I've yet to see any real good commentary about 956 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,760 Indiana from anybody at CBS, and they almost seem like hurt that 957 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,040 Indiana was good last year and they don't want to take them 958 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,760 seriously this year. And yet you you bring in 959 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,240 Fernando Mendoza, who after some initial confusion, people have 960 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,600 largely settled on as being one of the best quarterback 961 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,040 acquisitions in the entire portal, maybe the best one. 962 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,120 You bring in Pat Coogan, You keep Mikhail Kamara. 963 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,640 You keep Aiden Fisher. You keep D Angelo Pons. 964 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,440 You've got a really strong running backroom, you've got 965 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,920 Elijah Serrat, you've got Omar Cooper Junior, you've got, you 966 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,440 know, all of these pieces. And you know, even the parts 967 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,960 that are concerning. And first of all, I wanted to 968 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,120 say my condolences to Taylor Lehman. 969 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,960 We were supposed to do a football Q&A pod Taylor out of 970 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,760 death in the families tending to that. 971 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,760 We're going to get him on the pod soon to talk through 972 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,720 recruiting in depth about IU and what they did in the spring 973 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,600 session. But you know, the the thing 974 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,160 about Indiana at this point, the thing that that I think most 975 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,440 should be concerned about is even though Signetti, as I've 976 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,040 seen in interviews, has been very sanguine about the 977 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,280 offensive line, the offensive line is still a concern. 978 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,040 You lose Mike Kadik, you do bring Carter Smith back, you've 979 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,280 got Pat Coogan, you've got Mikalski. 980 00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,840 You know, you've got good pieces, but you don't know if 981 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,320 they're going to mesh together. But I would argue that most of 982 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,600 the teams that Indiana is going to be playing have similar 983 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,520 questions on the offensive line. Like there's very few teams that 984 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,840 I look at and say that offensive line is going to be great. 985 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,320 Ohio State? Sure, Indiana doesn't play Ohio 986 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,920 State in the regular season. Michigan, OK, sure. 987 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,440 Michigan always has a great offensive line. 988 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:26,960 Indiana doesn't play Michigan either. 989 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,400 I have a hard time looking at Illinois's offensive line and 990 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,160 saying that's going to be a great offensive line. 991 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,840 Indiana plays them in Week 4 and you go down the list, Penn 992 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,800 State, you know, Penn State, the offensive line is good, but 993 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,760 they're protecting Drew Aller, who I, I mean, did you watch 994 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,400 Drew Aller last year? And they don't have Tom Allen, 995 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,480 who's a very good defensive coordinator. 996 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,000 I do. You know, there's, there's 997 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,720 question marks about everybody that Indiana plays, including 998 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,640 Oregon. You know, you look down the 999 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:56,920 list. I mean, you know the, so 1000 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,840 Indiana, they play Oregon, they play Penn State. 1001 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,880 Those are two very tough games. They don't play Ohio State. 1002 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,400 They don't play Michigan. They don't play Washington. 1003 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,760 They play Illinois at home. They Iowa on the road and I 1004 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,160 think it's a winnable game. They don't play USC, they don't 1005 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,280 play Minnesota, and then they play Michigan State. 1006 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,160 There's the over unders 5 1/2. They don't play Rutgers. 1007 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,520 They do play UCLA at home. Who's who's over unders 5 1/2. 1008 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,280 They do play Wisconsin at home. They're over unders 5 1/2. 1009 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,640 They play Maryland on the road. They're over under 4 1/2. 1010 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:35,160 They don't play Northwestern and they play Purdue on the road and 1011 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,800 they have the worst over under in the conference. 1012 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,960 So you know, Chad asked. What my opinion if I if I was as 1013 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,120 high on. Illinois as others. 1014 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,000 My thing is this, I think you can look at these teams in 1015 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,160 isolation and you can say well. Illinois was really good last 1016 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,560 year. They didn't lose a lot of 1017 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,280 pieces. They'll probably be better. 1018 00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:00,240 Does that mean that Illinois is going to be better this year? 1019 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,240 I don't know that it does because if you look at the Big 1020 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:07,960 10 schedules for football across the board, it's a pretty tough 1021 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,000 row for Illinois to hoe. I mean, I'm going to call this 1022 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,760 up. I think I did this on a previous 1023 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,920 pod, but we'll do it again because it's my pod. 1024 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,120 I'm going to do what the hell I want with it. 1025 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,800 But let me let me call up the Big 10 schedules here. 1026 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:22,440 Let's get this up. OK? 1027 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,360 I think, I think you can all see this and we'll zoom in a little. 1028 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,320 Bit just for the folks. Who can't see as well. 1029 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,440 So let's look at Illinois schedule because I think to me 1030 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,920 the the question Chad asked is a good one, but it's it's not 1031 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,120 really a question that you can answer without looking at the 1032 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,320 schedule. So what's Illinois got? 1033 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:40,680 They got Western Illinois week one. 1034 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,800 They got to go to Duke. It's such a. 1035 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,680 Strange game for them to be doing. 1036 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:46,640 That's a tough game, actually. Potentially. 1037 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,560 They got Western Michigan at home. 1038 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,120 They got to go to Indiana. They got USC at home, which is 1039 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,960 not a cakewalk. Purdue on the road is a cakewalk 1040 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,840 probably, but they got a post Ohio State. 1041 00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,440 They're going to beat Ohio State. 1042 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,360 At home, seems unlikely, could happen, but then they got to go 1043 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,200 to Washington and then they have a relatively easy stretch. 1044 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,480 But they got that game at the end of the season out Wisconsin, 1045 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,080 which I don't care how bad Wisconsin is a given year, 1046 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,560 that's a tough place to play. So you can look at Indiana 1047 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,000 schedule and you can say, wow, they got four really tough games 1048 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,200 and they got, you know, Illinois at home and they got Iowa, 1049 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,000 Oregon and Penn State on the road. 1050 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,760 But I think everybody's got 3 or 4 tough. 1051 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,560 Games. Even Ohio State's got some tough 1052 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:27,960 ones. They got Texas at home. 1053 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,240 They got to go to Illinois. They got to go to Wisconsin. 1054 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,360 They got Penn State at home. They got to go to Michigan. 1055 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,120 That's five tough games in the season. 1056 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,360 Michigan, we got to go to Oklahoma. 1057 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,280 I don't know who the hell scheduled that. 1058 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,080 That's a fascinating one. They got to go to Nebraska, they 1059 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:43,840 got to go to USC. They got to go to Michigan 1060 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,240 State. They got Ohio State at home. 1061 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:49,400 They got 5 tough games. And you can go down the list 1062 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,480 with the other. Contenders. 1063 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,320 I mean, Oregon is another one. They got to go to Penn State. 1064 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,920 Before they play Indiana at home, they got to go to Iowa, 1065 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,240 they got to go to Washington, who always plays them tough. 1066 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,800 So these are the things that I think we need to keep in mind. 1067 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,960 And, and I was talking to Taylor about this the other day. 1068 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:11,560 My perspective on it right now is that Indiana has as good of a 1069 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,080 chance of anybody in the conference of making it to the 1070 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,760 Big 10 title game if you look at the schedules. 1071 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,240 Because I think there's a real good. 1072 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:23,440 Chance of Indiana going 10 and two and you know, I think you 1073 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,520 know, 8 1/2's the over under at a lot of the books. 1074 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,760 I've seen 9 1/2 in a couple of spots, you know, and, and as as, 1075 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,440 as as pointed out by Hooperazi, 9 and three would be a 1076 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,760 tremendous season 8 and four. Would you know, like Chad 1077 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,040 pointed out, if you if you were on Indiana, you know, sitting at 1078 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,760 eight wins, if Indiana wins eight games, it's one of the top 1079 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,080 five or six schedules in the school's history. 1080 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,360 And I really like the the fact that Kurt Zignetti's had a whole 1081 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,560 year to continue to mold this team to get new guys in. 1082 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,440 We continue to see some of the Allen guys like filter out. 1083 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,320 They've got a pretty strong roster. 1084 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,000 Is it a perfect roster? No, they've got questions at 1085 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,960 offensive line, they've got questions in the secondary. 1086 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,720 Those are questions that have got to be answered. 1087 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:12,640 But I love their skill position players. 1088 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,600 I love what they've got, you know, in the pass rush and the 1089 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,200 linebacker, you know, interior both lines is an open question. 1090 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,040 But I think that a lot of teams have that question. 1091 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,200 And I think you look across college football right now, 1092 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,280 they're just are not a lot of teams that I would look at and 1093 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,160 say, you know, undefeated, undefeated. 1094 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:34,200 It's very much not like last year where you clearly had like 1095 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,280 a big echelon of top teams, Indiana being one of them and 1096 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,720 then a bunch of of fall off around 11 or 12. 1097 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,680 So look, I, I like what I'm seeing. 1098 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,400 I, I don't buy the Illinois hype. 1099 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,400 I think Indiana has as much of A justification for being ranked 1100 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,240 in the top 15 as Illinois does. But I also like the fact that 1101 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,120 Indiana's going to be able to go into the season with a little 1102 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,560 bit of a chip on their shoulder. That is really helpful. 1103 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,720 So that's something that we'll keep an eye on as we move 1104 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,040 forward. And I love the fact Indiana's 1105 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:06,320 got a nice long runway as they get into things. 1106 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,680 You know, they've got those three games at the beginning of 1107 00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,200 the year to iron out the kinks. HWF 3 notes. 1108 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,760 I wholeheartedly believe last season team goes 10 and 2 with 1109 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:15,800 this schedule. I think you're right. 1110 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,400 Like, you know, that's the thing. 1111 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,920 I I don't think as much as Indiana got criticized last year 1112 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,000 for not having a tough schedule, I think it, it underrates how 1113 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,120 unlucky a couple of the teams Indiana played were Washington 1114 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,080 and Nebraska specifically, who probably should have had a 1115 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,480 couple more wins than they did. But I also think Indiana, you 1116 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,280 know, the take the Ohio State game aside, Ohio State won the 1117 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,600 national title. They didn't really get a chance 1118 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,120 to play against anybody of high quality. 1119 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,480 I think Indiana last year could have beaten Iowa at Iowa. 1120 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,000 I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying that they 1121 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,320 would have, but I think they could have. 1122 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,680 I don't think that that was out of the question. 1123 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,840 You know, I, I'm very, I'm still, I'm always going to be 1124 00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,880 curious how Indiana would have fared against Penn State. 1125 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,720 You know, and if the draw had gone differently and Indiana 1126 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,720 played Penn State in the first round of the College Football 1127 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,160 Playoff, I think that really would have been a fascinating 1 1128 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,880 to see how that would have played out because I think 1129 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,640 Indiana had some things on Penn State that they just. 1130 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,960 Didn't quite have against Notre Dame for a variety of reasons. 1131 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,880 So we had a lot more to talk about with football. 1132 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,880 I wanted to save some of the football talk till we got Taylor 1133 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,560 back. And and so we're lame for that 1134 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,400 next week, obviously. But I appreciate all all the 1135 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,320 comments and questions. And we've got a big deep dive 1136 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,440 into the roster coming up here relatively soon. 1137 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,680 So look, you know, 9 and 310 and two, eight and four. 1138 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,920 I'm still riding that. Like I was curious how spring 1139 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,240 was going to go. I like what I saw out of spring. 1140 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,440 I like what I'm hearing the coaching staff talk about and 1141 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,200 particularly Signetti. It's a long summer. 1142 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,760 And I think it right now, like, you know, it's it's film study, 1143 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,720 it's it's studying tendencies of opponents, you know, Signetti 1144 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,600 breaking down everybody on this schedule, not taking anybody for 1145 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,320 granted. You know, I mean, this is where 1146 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,200 you make your money as a football coach. 1147 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,720 And I think that the mentality shift that Indiana went through 1148 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,680 last year is still something a lot of us are trying to get our 1149 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,080 heads around with this idea of how much do you trust an IU 1150 01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,880 football team? A lot of people I know still 1151 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,760 feel burned by what happened in 2021. 1152 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,000 But that was a much different mentality as far as that 1153 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,800 football program was concerned than what we see right now. 1154 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,960 And at this point, I think they've earned the benefit of 1155 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,560 the doubt. And I think the fact that there 1156 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,520 seems to be a lot of juice on the recruiting front. 1157 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,000 Again, I'm I'm we're holding our powder until we get Taylor. 1158 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,920 But man, IU has been making some nice moves in state in 1159 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,080 recruiting. Like they have been cleaning up 1160 01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,680 in a way. I have not seen an IU program 1161 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,320 clean up since like maybe the 80s back before recruiting 1162 01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,760 rankings existed. I think it really bodes well. 1163 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,640 And let's give Greg a round of applause. 1164 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,600 First time football season ticket holder for Greg. 1165 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,880 Nice, good. Good on you Sir. 1166 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,400 We will see you in Memorial Stadium. 1167 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,600 I did my season tickets yesterday, same section. 1168 01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,240 If you know where I am in the stadium. 1169 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,240 I'm not. I'm sadly not above the 1170 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,440 Astroturf cut out this time, but I'm right over to the right of 1171 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,560 it, so I'll look forward to seeing you all there. 1172 01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,080 It should be a lot of fun. We had a couple of quick other 1173 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,920 questions that came in earlier today on Twitter that I wanted 1174 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,680 to hit. One from Huperazzi, actually. 1175 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,040 Can Max's Place help to save the pizza scene in Bloomington? 1176 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,280 In my opinion, the pizza in town is the worst it's been in 1177 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,880 decades. Well, we lost Cafe Pizzeria, 1178 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,240 that hurt. I will. 1179 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,360 I do heavily recommend going to Max's Place, the revitalized 1180 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,960 Max's Place, which is located at 17th and College. 1181 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:39,840 So Roddy's are coming into town. It's where swing in pizza had 1182 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,560 moved to and then gradually got taken over by that whole Hank's 1183 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:47,280 pizza Mac catastrophe. The pizza's really good and 1184 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,000 they've got open mic night. It's a nice relatively cozy 1185 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,960 space. It's it's it's relatively new. 1186 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,200 It's right next to square Donuts. 1187 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,280 Go check it out. I do think that they they do a 1188 01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:01,120 really good pizza. The pizza scene in Bloomington's 1189 01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,160 fascinating right now because it's really split into a couple 1190 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,000 of camps. You got your stalwart, you know, 1191 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,960 you the pizza X is still here and that has the lion's share of 1192 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,160 the market. You've got avers, which is kind 1193 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:15,440 of on the fringes a little bit now. 1194 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:22,440 I think you've got Nick's, which just Nick's pizza. 1195 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:27,120 I Nick's a pizza and I like we split up a long time ago, but 1196 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,760 then you've got a lot of smaller scale pizzas like for my money, 1197 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,280 like pound for pound, I actually think the best pizza might be at 1198 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,000 Davinci in Bloomington right now at 3rd and Washington. 1199 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,800 I think Austria, you know, behind mix has a good argument, 1200 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,800 but they're cooking a different style of pizza. 1201 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,280 They're cooking, you know, the, they're not doing the big 1202 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,160 industrial size stuff they're doing. 1203 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:49,920 They're not personal pizzas. They're big. 1204 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,880 They're kind of in the mix. There are in the middle, you 1205 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,320 know, and then you've got, you know, the, the, the ones that 1206 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,360 haven't changed much and you either love them or you hate 1207 01:02:58,360 --> 01:02:59,960 them or, or like them or hate them. 1208 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:06,240 You know, like the, you've got Bouchetto's, you've got I, I 1209 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,560 actually kind of, I, I know, I think D'angelo's pizza is a 1210 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,200 little bit underrated. It's just really expensive. 1211 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,760 You know, if you can get it on a on a on A2 for one deal, which I 1212 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,320 think they have on a Monday or Tuesday, You know, we got a 1213 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,240 couple of other notes. Quaff on Big Woods is still an 1214 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,160 anchor. I really, I really like Big 1215 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,640 Woods pizza. The one thing about it is the 1216 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,240 crust is is almost like a pretzel crust. 1217 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:29,760 It's it doesn't taste like a pretzel. 1218 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,640 But it's got. That kind of consistency to it, 1219 01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,240 it's a little, it's hard to describe, but it's like, it's 1220 01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,520 like a soft pretzel almost as a pizza dough. 1221 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,440 I like it. I just don't like it every 1222 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:42,200 single time. Baldies baldies is is like. 1223 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,200 Kind of the stealth one. But baldies, as Superazi 1224 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:46,960 mentioned, is is pretty far away from everything. 1225 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,080 Some people live in Bloomington, have lived here for years, have 1226 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:55,080 never even heard of baldies. You know, you've got not a lot 1227 01:03:55,080 --> 01:04:00,280 else at this point. I would say the tap, I would say 1228 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,800 their pizzas kind of regressed slightly from what it was. 1229 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,600 I really like their pizza when it first came out. 1230 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,680 It's still good, but it's not as good, I think as it was. 1231 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,080 But it's kind of it goes up and down in quality. 1232 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,800 You know, Yogi's has got the Tavern style pizza, which if you 1233 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,080 get the right mix of toppings, can be relatively good. 1234 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,920 But look, ultimately, as someone pointed out, I think Jennifer 1235 01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,640 pointed out, like all pizzas are personal. 1236 01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,320 It depends on how hard you try, But it's also, I'll say this, 1237 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,760 the flavor that you like is going to be something that is 1238 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,760 predicated on what you dig as an individual. 1239 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,400 And so, you know, when people come into town and they're 1240 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,680 asking me where to get pizza right now, I normally direct 1241 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,200 them to Davinci. I'll I'll direct them to Big 1242 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:41,800 Woods. I'll direct them to a couple of 1243 01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,960 other spots. I still like mother bears, but 1244 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,760 again, I feel the same way about mother bears, the same way that 1245 01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,040 like their pizza that I feel about Big Woods and like, it's a 1246 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:51,760 style. It's a particular style. 1247 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:53,680 Yeah, I know they have the thin crust. 1248 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,560 I'm I'm I'm excluding that from the conversation for the moment 1249 01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:01,120 because the pan pizza style of mother bears, it's like that was 1250 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,280 such a popular style for pizza in the 80s and 90s. 1251 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,160 And it's kind of because it's so doughy. 1252 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,120 I think for a lot of people in this generation, it's not as 1253 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,560 attractive because it's so doughy. 1254 01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,920 And and I think, you know, the more artisan style pizzas 1255 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,080 generally go over a little better. 1256 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,680 I would be remiss if I didn't also throw Lenny's into the mix. 1257 01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,040 I think Lenny's does a pretty good job with their pizza and I 1258 01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,480 think that low key they might have the best Strom in 1259 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,360 Bloomington. It's I kind of go back and forth 1260 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,280 with them and a couple of others, but I like what they do 1261 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,560 there. Chad asked. 1262 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,360 We're just doing food talk now. What's what's the chat's 1263 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,040 favorite sub in town? Mine used to be Dagwood's when 1264 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,440 it was in the basement. So to me, by far the best Subs, 1265 01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,560 the best sandwiches are at Austria Rago. 1266 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,440 And it's a shame. They used to have this amazing 1267 01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,240 lunch deal, which doesn't exist anymore. 1268 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,720 But if you go to Austria and get one of their sandwiches, it's 1269 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,680 it's life changing in a lot of ways. 1270 01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,040 It's it's awesome. And they've got like 9 different 1271 01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,760 styles. They've got really heavy Italian 1272 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,080 ones. They've got ones that trend more 1273 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,760 towards they've got like a praise sandwich. 1274 01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,880 It's really, really good. Little Italy Market is a great 1275 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,080 call by Huperazi. Little Italy Market, for those 1276 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,440 who don't know where it is, there's like 2 really good 1277 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,480 places to eat in the shopping center. 1278 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:23,680 And it's the shopping center where 3rd St. and Dunn come 1279 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,160 together. It's a complicated place to get 1280 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,400 to because both of those streets are one way right in front of 1281 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,160 it. You know, Dunn is one way coming 1282 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,840 off of Kirkwood going South. And then third, that's where 1283 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:39,520 Third splits off and kind of heads up and it's still one way 1284 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,160 at that point, but it's right before it merges with its, it's, 1285 01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,400 it's eastbound South. But yeah, Little Italy market 1286 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,400 has great Subs. You order them at the counter. 1287 01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:53,040 So I recommend those two places primarily as places to go for 1288 01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,600 sandwiches like that, like sub sandwiches in Bloomington. 1289 01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,400 But Austria is my, if you get it, Austria, bring a friend. 1290 01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,200 I, I'm a big guy. I have a big appetite. 1291 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,840 I cannot eat an entire Austria. Sub in one sitting without 1292 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:11,320 either like really feeling bad about myself or just not 1293 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,560 finishing the damn thing and having to take it home with me. 1294 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,320 And, and no, I have, I have not gone to Chalubi's yet. 1295 01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:19,680 You know, I keep dancing around the place. 1296 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,240 I haven't quite been there. Thank you for that question. 1297 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:24,960 Anyway. Those are me. 1298 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,520 What I would say on that front. I'll also say just in general, I 1299 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:34,560 get asked a lot of times what, you know, what do we feel are, 1300 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,560 you know, places that people haven't been to that they should 1301 01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,000 go to? Da Vinci's a good one. 1302 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,160 If you're going to go to Da Vinci, go in the summer. 1303 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,600 It's almost impossible to get in during the school year because 1304 01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,640 it's a favorite amongst the sorority crowd and for good 1305 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:47,200 reason. Good. 1306 01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:51,120 They have good taste in the sororities if you haven't. 1307 01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,960 Been to the Elm yet? I recommend going to the Elm. 1308 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,120 Great ambiance, really nice bar area. 1309 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,160 The food's really good. We actually had our back home 1310 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,080 network get together meal there back in February when everybody 1311 01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,560 came into town. And they have do a lot of 1312 01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,360 seasonal menus, but they do them right. 1313 01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,760 I've yet to have something that I didn't. 1314 01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,760 Like at the Elm and it's interestingly located. 1315 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,240 It's in Elm Heights. It's it's essentially it's the 1316 01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,319 second and Henderson. It's like a block in for those 1317 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:18,760 who lived in Elm Heights or in that general vicinity just South 1318 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,319 of campus in the 80s and 90s. There used to be a grocery store 1319 01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:27,080 there and that it's changed to something that's really, really 1320 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,640 good. And there's obvious as you know, 1321 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,920 there's a lot of good other restaurants in various shades. 1322 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,520 You know, 4th St. stuff is all really good as. 1323 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:40,040 Well, so there's. Ton of places in town to go and, 1324 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,800 you know, the summer's a great time to explore them because 1325 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,000 generally there's very few weights and you're going to get 1326 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,439 a chance to sample a lot of good food. 1327 01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,840 I think there's a taste of Bloomington coming up at some 1328 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,120 point in the summer, late July, maybe early August. 1329 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,479 But if you're not in Bloomington and you want to come back at 1330 01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,640 some point, that would be a good place to go. 1331 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:03,240 And, you know, it's interesting watching the the restaurant game 1332 01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,680 turn ever so slightly in Bloomington, as, you know, you 1333 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,840 start to get the cycling in and out of certain places over time. 1334 01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:13,200 You know, there's still a bunch of open questions. 1335 01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,160 Thank you. The taste of Bloomington is 1336 01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:20,120 August. 2nd so put that on your calendar. 1337 01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,080 I'll I'll be around if anybody wants to grab a beer. 1338 01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:26,520 Or a sandwich. Or pizza as as as we would have 1339 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,720 it there. Anyway, this went longer than I 1340 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,920 thought it would. I thought I was going to aim for 1341 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:32,840 45 minutes. We've been going for 70. 1342 01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,319 A lot to talk about though, but we had a lot of the topics that 1343 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:39,560 I I know were of interest to people and had a great time with 1344 01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,000 the folks in the chat. Had a great time with the 1345 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,359 questions off of X and would love to do this again. 1346 01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:45,800 We'll do this again sometime soon. 1347 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,240 We'll get Taylor on the pod. We'll talk some football next 1348 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,120 week. We'll keep an eye on the 1349 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,040 waivers, we'll keep an eye on recruiting, and we'll obviously 1350 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,040 keep an eye on what's going on in the college sports space as 1351 01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,760 we're going to be talking about this stuff all summer. 1352 01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,800 We're also going to be doing some other cool things on the 1353 01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:01,520 back home network. We got some interviews coming up 1354 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:05,480 we're going to try to hit and there's going to be some other 1355 01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:07,640 things we'll do this summer. Content wise, I think you guys 1356 01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,640 will enjoy. So a little tease there for you. 1357 01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,360 Next week, Scott will be back with me. 1358 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,040 We might actually have two separate podcasts. 1359 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:19,320 We're certainly going to talk Indiana Pacers as wow, what a 1360 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,920 run so far. And who knows, maybe they're 1361 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,720 playing the Knicks, maybe they're playing the Celtics in 1362 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:29,920 the Eastern Conference Finals. We've got the possibility of one 1363 01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,600 of the most unique things I think that you could do in 1364 01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,680 sports, at least in Indiana. Game three of the Eastern 1365 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,040 Conference finals are going to be at 8:00 PM the day of the 1366 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,200 Indy 500. And I am planning on doing the 1367 01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,760 double try to do both games or both both events in the same 1368 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,120 day, which might be really questionable from a health 1369 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,360 perspective, but will be a lot of fun. 1370 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,320 So we're going to talk that we're going to have a separate 1371 01:10:55,320 --> 01:11:00,120 pod where we give our Indy 500 read and that's going to be a 1372 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,320 fascinating race this year, or at least it better be. 1373 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,920 The rest of the season in any car has not been particularly 1374 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,760 exciting, which is disappointing because that's really the main 1375 01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,440 thing it's got going for it is the competition. 1376 01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:11,880 But it's been pretty much the Alex Pelo show throughout the 1377 01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,480 course of the year. So we'll talk about both of 1378 01:11:13,480 --> 01:11:15,920 those things next week and maybe have a couple of other things as 1379 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,920 well. Anyway, I salute all of you 1380 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,920 folks for joining us here on the Back Home Network. 1381 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,680 And if you didn't watch that video that IU Athletics put out 1382 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,640 today, watch the video that IU Athletics put out today. 1383 01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,000 Anyway, we'll catch you folks on the flip side, on behalf of Home 1384 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,960 field apparel or presenting sponsor on behalf of the entire 1385 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:35,480 Back Home Network, I'm Galen Clavio. 1386 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,360 We will catch you folks on the flip side. 1387 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,720 Stay never daunted. Bring back the bison salon, 1388 01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:41,080 everybody.