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Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 

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GAIL and Clavio joining you once
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It is the 15th of October and 
Indiana. 

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Lost another game of football 
this weekend. 

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We're going to talk about it. 
We got Mason Williams joining 

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us. 
We had Mason on earlier in the 

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year and he's pinch hitting as 
as Scott is of course at his 

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villa in the Caymans and so he 
can't join us this week. 

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So, Mason, great to have you on 
the show once again. 

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You were up in Ann Arbor, so 
we're going to get a little, you

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know, eyewitness report here. 
How you doing this morning? 

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Not too bad, man. 
A little bit under the weather, 

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I think maybe from all the 
travel and you know the the 

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seasonal change and all that 
kind of stuff, but otherwise 

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feeling good. 
I'm at home right now. 

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So getting a little recharged 
before the second-half of the 

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semester and second-half. 
Football, basketball coming up. 

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It's a it's a busy time, but I'm
doing good, man. 

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I and I appreciate you having me
on as always. 

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Always we really appreciate your
insights it's and yes you know 

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this is kind of it's an 
interesting point because we're 

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really at the turn here we're 
we're really at the turn where. 

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Basketball season is firing up. 
Both the men and the women have 

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Hoosier Hysteria coming up at 
the end of this week and there's

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a lot of other stuff going on. 
I mean, volleyball's having a 

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moment at IU and and soccer, 
both soccer programs are kind of

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lining themselves up for some 
interesting stuff here, 

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hopefully as we close out the 
season, but we'll see on all of 

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that and then we'll certainly 
have podcast on that front. 

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I I I'm not going to lie about 

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Yesterday I'm sitting at home. 

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Coming my direction at some 

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point here. 
I'm excited about it. 

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Hey, you know that when we did 
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earlier, I was wearing a 
Washington T-shirt that was also

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a a home field T-shirt. 
I think it was the the Rose Bowl

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champions. back-to-back one. 
So always a personal testimony. 

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They're awesome. 
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 

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Take care of that. 
Take advantage of that. 

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And I mean, maybe we'll feel 
different as they get into the 

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Big 10 and we have to look at 
them more as a rival as opposed 

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to right now, you know, 
Washington. 

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It's it's kind of like rooting 
for Australia as a country. 

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You know it's like it's far 
enough away and not not somebody

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that Indiana plays in any sort 
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So you you feel good about it 
and and maybe we'll feel 

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differently in the future but 
it's a nice color palette too. 

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I'm glad someone other than 
Wisconsin has purple like or is 

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there not Wisconsin N I'm glad 
somebody other Northwestern is 

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what I meant to say has purple. 
They they should not own purple 

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by any means, somebody on our 
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It's like rooting for your ex in
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So it's it's it's the same. 
Thing it's like there was the 

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the CFB the college football 
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You know they they post they 
keep posting these things where 

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they're like it must be awful 
for IU fans to to have to watch 

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Washington. 
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tweeting. 
I was like, no, it's more like 

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the the meme of. 
You know, of Rudy's, you know, 

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kind of, you know, equipment 
manager, caretaker who's 

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clapping after he makes the sack
at the end of that movie. 

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It really does feel more like 
that, but I don't want to get 

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too much into that yet. 
We will talk a little bit about 

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the Washington Tenex Debor 
phenomenon a little bit later 

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on, but we really do need to 
focus on Indiana football at the

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start of this show. 
So the Hoosiers go up to the big

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house and. 
Take a 7 nothing lead and then 

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proceed to give up 52 unanswered
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They lose 52. 
I thought the game stopped 

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again. 
I thought the game stopped. 

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That's understandable. 
Yeah. 

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No, I mean I we're still frozen 
in time I think at at at that 

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point. 
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you are still in suspended 
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But those of us who were not 
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And yes, indeed, I can verify 
that Indiana lost the game. 

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Really a hard 1 to get excited 
about in any phase you were 

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there. 
I want to get your impressions 

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first. 
Like what did you see out of 

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that game and and what were your
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I think the first thing that 
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the the quarterback rotation. 
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And I'm sure we'll get into that
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But you, you come out of a bye 
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without asking. 
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conference that Tavin Jackson's 
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And then you come out and he 
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And then you kind of play it by 
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Soresby. 
And Jackson doesn't end up going

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back into that game until I 
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third quarter or the fourth 
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Like he sat for two quarters in 
the rain cold on the bench that 

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it. 
And then you just kind of flip 

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flop back and forth that it 
doesn't seem necessarily fair to

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either of them. 
How to how to expect them to 

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succeed in a in a system like 
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defensively that unit flew 
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quarter and then almost 
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I I I don't want to say well 
yeah I I kind of do like kind of

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just disappeared for for the 
next three quarters. 

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They were just kind of pushed 
around and Indiana had control 

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of the front seven which against
Michigan is is unheard of for 

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the for that entire first 
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The that you've seen the total 
yards graphic that was up at the

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end of the first quarter was 
like 141 to 17 and and that's 

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that was Indiana controlling 
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But the next 3/4 as we as we 
know what we're a completely 

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different story. 
There's there's just not a lot 

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that you can look from, look 
back on on this game and be 

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proud of. 
If you're Indiana, there's not a

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whole lot of of facets that I 
think will show up on tape where

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you're like, OK, they can, they 
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And I think that is really 
worrying considering the fact 

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that winning this game or even 
staying like within a couple 

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scores was always going to be 
very, very tough. 

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And and the goal probably should
have been to just get some stuff

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that you can that you can build 
off of. 

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But now you're, you know you 
feel lost. 

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I think if you're, if you're a 
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where going forward you've got 
six games left and you're 

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probably going to be an underdog
and every single one of them, 

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you're not going to be favored. 
You're not going to be 

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metrically advantageous in in 
just about any category against 

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most of the rest of your 
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So just a very bleak afternoon 
is is probably the way I would 

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describe it and and kind of 
indicative of what we've seen 

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lately with this program and and
kind of where it seems to be 

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going unless there's wholesale 
change if if you if you get what

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I'm getting at. 
So I do well and it's 

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interesting because watching on 
television and I went back and 

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watched large chunks of the game
late last night and into this 

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morning, which I don't recommend
by the way, for those of you out

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there, don't go back and watch 
the game. 

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We only do it because we have 
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Offense was real bad, you know, 
just to kind of get the stats 

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out there. 
So we're all on the same page, 

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just 60 minute football game 
where Indiana LED at one point 

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they ended up. 
Combined 14 for 29 for 140 

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yards, 1 touchdown and two 
interceptions, an average per 

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per completion of 4.8 yards. 
However, that's actually not an 

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indicator of how bad it was. 
Because one completion, 44 yards

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in, the lone touchdown in that 
passing attack came on one throw

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by a guy who's not listed as 
quarterback Donovan Mccully with

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a really nice pass and and and I
got to say, you know, that 

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particular play I was really 
pleased to see, it's like, wow, 

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here's something that's a little
bit creative and and that was 

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not something that we had seen a
lot, if it all during the Walt 

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Bell era. 
For the Nick Sheridan era, for 

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that matter, that preceded it, 
you know, that was it was nice 

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to see that. 
It was nice to see Mccully 

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utilizing a skill set that we 
know he has, which is throwing 

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the football. 
And it clearly confused Michigan

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because Jalen Lucas, who caught 
that touchdown pass, was wide 

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open. 
But you take that out, Indiana 

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was 13 for 28 for 96 yards. 
I I didn't do the calculation on

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the per catch average because 
that would have been too 

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depressing. 0 touchdowns, 2 
interceptions. 

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That's that's just not going to 
get the job done, Mason. 

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The rushing attack was also 
really bad. 

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Now part of that was that Chris 
Turner was injured early. 

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They had to turn to Trent 
Howland, but even then a lot of 

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the running ended up being 
Brendan Soresby. 

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It was initially a little bit 
successful though on those 

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couple of drives where you know,
he was able to pick up some 

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yards and there was some clever 
stuff. 

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But it was, it was like clever. 
In as much as Michigan clearly 

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wasn't expecting it, they didn't
know that it was coming. 

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And then it took them like a two
drives to readjust to the fact 

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that that was what Indiana was 
going to be doing. 

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And Soresby ended up 13 carries,
30 yards, 2.3 yards per carry, 

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and that's with a long of 16. 
Now, there were a couple of 

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sacks in there as well, but on 
the game Indiana was 33 carries,

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92 yards, 2.8 yards per carry. 
On average. 

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And then in terms of the passing
game, obviously not great, but 

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Jalen Lucas led the team in 
passing receptions, 5 catches, 

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56 yards, just not not good. 
Like all the way around. 

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This was a a bad performance and
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like almost all the other 
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we've seen out of Indiana 
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Just not a lot of juice there. 
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know, I'll tip my hat. 
To Rod Carey and and the 

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offensive staff for the second 
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hard to say that that was really
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that's happening because we saw 
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of the game. 
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hey, we're going to surprise 
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And then once the surprise was 
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Yeah, it I I wrote earlier in 
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be a deviation from this idea of
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elevated him into the rule, into
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And there was deviation in in 
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And then like you said, it just 
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watching the Maryland game or we
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games. 
Indiana has just consistently 

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struggled in this season 
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I I still had my my reservations
about those, about that second 

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series specifically because 
Michigan still, after this game 

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has not taken a snap where the 
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goal. 
But Indiana pieces together that

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second drive a really nice 12 
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down to the 9 yard line and then
takes a false start penalty. 

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You're right there down by the 
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And then Tavin Jackson misses 
Omar Cooper Junior running wide 

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open to the end zone in the back
right corner. 

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And I I I'm not sure if that was
his intended target or if he was

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looking for Bradley Archer on 
that little stop curl. 

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But either way, the ball was 
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over Bradley and kind of just 
was like in between in no man's 

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land. 
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yardage situations, the short 
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discipline, the lack of it is 
still there. 

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And then you have to to score 
your touchdown, you have to dive

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into the bag of tricks where 
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ago in this game at Michigan, 
who's now your wide receiver is 

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throwing your your your one 
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So and then like you said, like 
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3-4 drives counting the kneel 
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half were a net 0. 
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-, 1 on the kneel down and then 
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And then it went worse than that
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went negative another 10 yards. 
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guess no sustainability to it 
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they were utilizing the short 
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They were you know they were 
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completions for Jackson and 
Soresby and and really just 

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trying to utilize getting these 
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and then for some reason they 
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we can talk about the management
of the game later on and and and

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you know just kind of the way 
that things shook out but and 

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and throw on top of that a 
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there's no there's no ability to
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those guys. 
There's just not a lot to to 

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look back on and be like that. 
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That was tangible improvement or
any improvement at all really 

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from Indiana's offense? 
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McCauley having started at 
Michigan a couple years ago. 

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Yeah, I mean, he even had a 
great game that day. 

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He was 10 for 24, but he passed 
for 88 yards and his quarterback

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rating was higher than any of 
the two named quarterbacks. 

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That played in this game, it's 
it's not good. 

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I mean it. 
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mentioned the management. 
I mean, there's always a balance

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with these games on the road, 
especially for IU. 

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Now it always, it hasn't always 
been this way. 

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I mean, it did. 
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that Indiana was always 
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road, but there were games in 
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beginning of the Allen era where
IU could at least compete. 

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And look like they were managing
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It would often times fall apart 
late. 

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This one fell apart early. 
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on the offensive side, the 
management of the game got all 

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confused. 
Like at times Indiana look like 

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they were, you know, when they 
did the turnover on downs, it 

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look like, OK, we're going to 
try to do something here to get 

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ourselves, you know, back into 
the game. 

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And then that would fail. 
There's other times where they 

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would just punt. 
There was no consistency in the 

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strategy. 
You know, it was, well, we've 

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decided we're going for it and 
then now we're not going to go 

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for it. 
And I don't know if if this came

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out, I listened to the post 
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know, commentary. 
I didn't hear anything. 

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But from watching the game, did 
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coherent plan in terms of not 
even not just the management but

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even the management of the 
quarterbacks? 

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There was that kind of stunning.
Quote by Donovan Mccully in the 

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post game that the offensive 
players didn't know often times 

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who was going to be the 
quarterback for that series 

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until the pre Dr. huddle. 
That in and of itself kind of 

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feels like the coaching staff is
just like well, we'll we'll, 

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we'll, we'll make it up as we 
go, you know, and it's the 

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effort. 
We'll do it live approach and 

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that really doesn't work even 
for good teams let alone an 

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Indiana team that was struggling
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their offensive system. 
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not something that you can 
really do musical chairs that 

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you can do this song and dance 
of flipping a coin and 

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essentially being like, well, 
neither of my guys had the hot 

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hand. 
We're we're just going to try 

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something throw it at the wall, 
see if it sticks. 

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One of the commentary, one of 
the quotes from Alan afterwards 

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was, you know, he was, he was 
hoping that one of the guys 

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would step up in the quarterback
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Neither did. 
And I'm, I'm sitting there like,

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well, I, I and I know you have, 
you have commentary on this as 

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well. 
But I'm sitting there like, 

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well, we're we're sitting here 
in week seven. 

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They just got trounced by 45 
points and the offense clearly 

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wasn't working to the point 
where you needed to make a mid 

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season coordinator change and 
you you you throw a guy into a 

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full time role which as we've 
talked about off air, that 

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doesn't happen at power Five 
schools. 

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You don't you don't promote full
time mid season especially to a 

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role like that. 
So clearly this offensive system

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hasn't been working. 
So to expect it to all of a 

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sudden change out of the bye 
week with two weeks of a new 

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play caller, two weeks of a new 
voice in that room against 

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America's best defense this year
is a bit ludicrous in my 

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opinion. 
It's just it's just way far out 

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there and and not fair either to
to either of Indiana's 

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quarterbacks in that situation. 
Yeah, that's the thing. 

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I mean this is essentially. 
Two out of or three. 

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There's really three games that 
Indiana has said, well, we're 

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going to rotate quarterbacks 
now. 

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We didn't know that going into 
this game. 

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It was a bit of a surprise to 
everybody that we were back to 

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the quarterback rotation after 
they had definitively named the 

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starter. 
But the three games that they've

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chosen to do this in were 
Indiana State. 

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All right, fine. 
Michigan on the road and at home

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against Ohio State. 
And the comments in the post 

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gave about we were hoping 
somebody was essentially going 

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to grab the steering wheel and 
demonstrate that they could 

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consistently make plays and and 
not turn the ball over. 

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You're doing that against 
Michigan and Ohio State, like 

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you know, essentially two of the
three best defenses perhaps in 

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the league, certainly two of the
three most talented defenses in 

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the league. 
And then of course today to go 

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back to that or yesterday I 
guess to go back to that as you 

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said on the heels of a 
coordinator shift. 

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I just find it baffling that if 
they if and you never know with 

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coach speak, sometimes coaches 
just say things because they'll 

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say the first thing that comes 
to their mind. 

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But if Alan really meant what he
said, that they were hoping that

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somebody was going to step up on
the road at Michigan. 

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A team that last I checked on 
the season had really not 

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allowed very many points at all.
Like you, you go through there, 

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they they've allowed double 
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10 points on the road against 
Minnesota. 

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And the rest of the games 
they've let in 37677 and seven 

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and as you said have yet to face
a snap where they were defending

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against a first and goal. 
To expect a quarterback of any 

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caliber to go in and assume some
level of control and show some 

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level of consistency, and 
especially one of two 

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quarterbacks who coming into the
season had barely taken any 

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snaps at the FBS level. 
It just it boggles the mind that

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that would actually be what Alan
and the coaching staff thought 

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would be a good idea. 
I I don't know and I mean it. 

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It was even honored for them 
later to say, well we'll make a 

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decision about who's going to 
start. 

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I I I can't get my head wrapped 
around the idea that this was a 

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testing ground of some sort for 
the quarterbacks. 

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Because even though we saw Tavin
Jackson do a pretty good job of 

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leading the team down the field,
and even though we saw a couple 

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of good things out of Soresby, 
if you're taking that whole game

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as a sample size, that is a 
really unfair set of 

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circumstances for any 
quarterbacks to be in, let alone

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guys who are really just still 
learning how to play the 

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position, let alone having to 
deal with a change in the person

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who's calling the plays and 
telling the offense what to do. 

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That whole sequence of events, 
if you break it down, just is is

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bizarre to me. 
Yeah. 

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If if that is your measuring 
barometer where you know you 

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have to look at, you have to 
look back after a performance 

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like this one and be like, well,
one of these two guys is our 

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guy. 
Like that's just not fair to 

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either of them for for a lot of 
the reasons you just mentioned, 

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You got 2 red shirt freshmen 
that had. 

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Zero game experience outside of 
snaps and garbage time against 

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anybody at the FBS level And now
that their two litmus tests, 

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their true their two true litmus
tests have been the two best two

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of the best teams in in all of 
college football this season. 

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And I will remind everybody that
the time you are listening to 

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this, the next game Indiana 
plays will be Week 8 and and 

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Indiana went. 
Without naming a quarterback in 

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the spring, OK, that's fine. 
You've got two guys that are new

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to the position. 
Two got one guy's new to campus.

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You didn't name a guy after the 
fall. 

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You didn't name a guy after week
one or two. 

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You named Haven in Week 3 and 
you say you say he's not going 

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to have to look over his 
shoulder, but then you pull him 

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when you're down 34 on the road 
and Sorby goes in and throws 2 

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touchdowns against Maryland's 
backups. 

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And then out of a bye week, 
you've made a coordinator 

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change. 
You tell everybody that Tavin 

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Jackson's going to be your 
quarterback on Monday. 

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And then it comes out afterwards
that you told both of your 

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quarterbacks in the midweek that
you were going to rotate again. 

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And that the plan was 
essentially 2. 

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Two series of Tavin Jackson, two
series of Brendan Soresby, and 

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then we'll play it by ear. 
And if you were expecting 

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Indiana's offense this season? 
Especially with with the 

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consistent outputs that we've 
seen from them to have some sort

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of substantial continuity to it 
after four drives against 

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Michigan's defense. 
I'm not really sure what to tell

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you because that there's just 
not a single indicator all all 

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year long that that was going to
be the case. 

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And it it's I was thinking about
this last night on the drive 

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home and and and this morning. 
It it's as if the the the 

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coaching staff doesn't 
necessarily understand how dire 

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the situation is, how dire 
things are with the state of of 

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where Indiana is going program 
direction wise. 

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The kind of the landscape that's
upcoming. 

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Keep saying well we're going to 
find our guy. 

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We're going to, you know, we're 
going to. 

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Address the mistakes. 
We're going to address this. 

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We're going to address that. 
We're going to turn around here 

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where you know, the guys are 
still bought in. 

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I don't doubt if guys are still 
bought in because you know, how 

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am I supposed to go against 
anything that they say. 

450
00:24:35,670 --> 00:24:42,470
But there's just, it seems to be
two different levels of thinking

451
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:47,990
of where actuality is and where 
the expectations are and where 

452
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:50,150
Indiana falls on that spectrum 
right now. 

453
00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:53,890
In reality is much different 
than where I think some of the 

454
00:24:53,890 --> 00:24:55,610
Indiana coaching staff might 
fall. 

455
00:24:56,090 --> 00:25:00,530
We had a nice series of comments
from Patrick on Twitter about 

456
00:25:00,530 --> 00:25:03,250
this and his comment and it kind
of ties back into what you just 

457
00:25:03,250 --> 00:25:05,850
said. 
It's not losing to Michigan. 

458
00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:09,130
Losing was to be expected. 
It's the way the program is run.

459
00:25:09,490 --> 00:25:13,130
The 2nd Dr. looked competent, 
then they yanked Haven because 

460
00:25:13,130 --> 00:25:16,850
quote that was the plan. 
Your own team is saying publicly

461
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:20,090
how much that process of yanking
quarterbacks hurts the team. 

462
00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:23,660
What is the plan what is the 
identity What can you run 

463
00:25:23,660 --> 00:25:26,540
competently triple option to 
start the year then a new 

464
00:25:26,540 --> 00:25:29,500
quarterback then it's Taven but 
we want to run then week seven 

465
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:31,820
it's rotating in the quarterback
but your pass heavy. 

466
00:25:32,180 --> 00:25:35,020
There is no plan. 
You have a coach in year seven 

467
00:25:35,020 --> 00:25:37,940
who has not settled in and 
that's I think these are all 

468
00:25:37,940 --> 00:25:42,420
really valid points and the you 
know I we didn't need Donovan 

469
00:25:42,420 --> 00:25:45,340
Mccully to say it really harms 
the offense when we don't know 

470
00:25:45,340 --> 00:25:47,940
who the quarterback's going to 
be drive to drive. 

471
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:53,950
I I also would say that you know
it was funny like I think Zach 

472
00:25:53,950 --> 00:25:56,190
Osterman had a tweet at the 
beginning of the game and he was

473
00:25:56,190 --> 00:26:00,870
like I'm I'm watching from home 
to see how differently or more 

474
00:26:00,870 --> 00:26:04,470
effectively Indiana is in the 
run game and Indiana was was 

475
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:07,230
very much not focused on the run
game in this one. 

476
00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:09,910
They they did a little bit of it
and there were a couple of 

477
00:26:09,910 --> 00:26:12,350
things at times that looked 
better, but it ended up with a 

478
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:16,740
running performance that was 
certainly right along the lines 

479
00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:19,540
in fact was under their season 
average per attempt, they end up

480
00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:21,540
with 2.8 yards per attempt. 
In this game. 

481
00:26:21,540 --> 00:26:24,700
They're at 3.12 on the season so
far. 

482
00:26:25,420 --> 00:26:28,700
I you know what you just said 
about there doesn't seem to be a

483
00:26:28,780 --> 00:26:32,300
recognition of by the coaching 
staff of where the program is 

484
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:34,140
at. 
Again, I think a lot of it is, 

485
00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:36,700
well, they're not going to say 
things, but it's not just the 

486
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:38,940
words in the post game press 
conferences. 

487
00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:41,780
It's the actions in the games, 
and it's the actions in the 

488
00:26:41,780 --> 00:26:46,100
strategy and the idea that there
is no plan. 

489
00:26:47,260 --> 00:26:51,140
I don't know how you could 
carefully watch offense from 

490
00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:54,740
Indiana, not just this year but 
also last year, and come to the 

491
00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:59,060
conclusion that there really 
isn't a plan or a recognition of

492
00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:02,900
how to fix the very simple, 
fundamental things that are 

493
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:04,540
broken with how the offense 
works. 

494
00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:08,020
They'll occasionally find 
success, as we saw last year in 

495
00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:11,790
that Michigan State game. 
Even that was a bit of a red 

496
00:27:11,790 --> 00:27:14,950
herring because that was one of 
those kind of perfect storm 

497
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:17,310
situations. 
You get great returns out of 

498
00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:19,310
Lucas. 
It completely changed the field.

499
00:27:20,030 --> 00:27:23,030
That wasn't really replicable, 
but that seemed to dominate what

500
00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:26,310
Indiana did in the offseason 
leading into the season. 

501
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:28,750
You get all this talk about, 
well, we're a run heavy team and

502
00:27:28,750 --> 00:27:31,950
we've been talking on this 
podcast all season about this is

503
00:27:31,950 --> 00:27:34,590
not a team that has the 
personnel to run. 

504
00:27:34,590 --> 00:27:37,950
It's like if you did you ever 
watch that ESPN series 

505
00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:40,710
playmakers that was on in like 
2003? 

506
00:27:41,270 --> 00:27:43,870
The NFL actually had it killed. 
You should go back and watch 

507
00:27:43,870 --> 00:27:45,710
this. 
It's I I. 

508
00:27:45,710 --> 00:27:50,190
Actually just read an article 
about this or or I saw an 

509
00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:52,830
article about this where it was 
like it was a massive hit. 

510
00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:55,770
And you know, the NFL wanted it 
killed off. 

511
00:27:55,770 --> 00:27:59,250
But I I it's it's on a watch 
list I have I'm. 

512
00:27:59,250 --> 00:28:00,930
Going to find a way, if I can 
see if I can find it. 

513
00:28:00,930 --> 00:28:03,690
If you can't, if I have the DV 
DS, I will be happy to lend them

514
00:28:03,690 --> 00:28:05,730
to you. 
It's a nice binge watch and it 

515
00:28:05,970 --> 00:28:07,770
you'll watch it now and you'll 
be like, I don't understand what

516
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:09,810
the NFL was so worried about. 
This stuff is there all the 

517
00:28:09,810 --> 00:28:12,090
time. 
But at the time they didn't, 

518
00:28:12,290 --> 00:28:13,810
they they felt it was going to 
harm their brand. 

519
00:28:13,810 --> 00:28:16,850
If people thought that, you 
know, football players were, you

520
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:20,330
know, like taking performance 
enhancing drugs or were involved

521
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:23,210
in domestic abuse and it's it's 
kind of laughable at this point 

522
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:25,170
when you think about all the 
stuff that's in the league. 

523
00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:26,730
But. 
But there's one scene in 

524
00:28:26,730 --> 00:28:29,250
playmakers that those of you who
have watched it might remember 

525
00:28:29,370 --> 00:28:33,410
where, you know, the owner comes
in and tells the head coach that

526
00:28:33,650 --> 00:28:35,770
they're going to hire this 
offensive coordinator because 

527
00:28:35,770 --> 00:28:37,610
the owner wants to run the West 
Coast offense. 

528
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:39,810
And the head coach is like, we 
don't have the personnel to run 

529
00:28:39,810 --> 00:28:41,610
the West Coast offense. 
And the owner is like, but I 

530
00:28:41,610 --> 00:28:44,290
want the West Coast offense. 
And so he hires this coordinator

531
00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:46,810
and it sets up this conflict. 
And it's kind of how I felt 

532
00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:49,130
about the entire thing in the 
offseason. 

533
00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:53,210
Even at the very end of last 
season, where Allen's talking 

534
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:55,610
about we want a dual threat 
quarterback, we want a guy that 

535
00:28:55,610 --> 00:28:57,610
can run. 
That's our way to success. 

536
00:28:58,450 --> 00:29:00,890
But there the the personnel 
weren't there. 

537
00:29:01,050 --> 00:29:03,490
That the personnel have never 
been there, at least not under 

538
00:29:03,490 --> 00:29:06,410
this current configuration and 
recruiting strategy and and 

539
00:29:06,410 --> 00:29:10,050
developmental approach that 
Indiana's got to do what Allen 

540
00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:14,120
seems to have in his head and 
all of this, you know, it's like

541
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,000
you're constantly throwing a car
into into reverse and then 

542
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,400
you're throwing it back into 4th
gear immediately. 

543
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,680
It just leads to a lot of 
confusion. 

544
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,040
It can occasionally lead to some
beautiful plays like that gadget

545
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,600
play that we saw for the 
touchdown, but that's one play 

546
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,920
out of 60 minutes in a game that
you lost 52 to 7. 

547
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,560
And the it's just baffling that 
they keep going back to the same

548
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,370
cycle over and over again. 
You know, it's not just last 

549
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:43,250
year. 
It was also the year the year 

550
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:46,290
before that when they, you know,
panics, gets injured and they're

551
00:29:46,290 --> 00:29:48,010
just in this musical chair of 
who's going to start at 

552
00:29:48,010 --> 00:29:51,250
quarterback and they end up with
Grant Gremel starting the last 

553
00:29:51,250 --> 00:29:54,050
couple of games because they're 
just so out of ideas. 

554
00:29:54,050 --> 00:29:59,210
So all basically just kind of 
reacting to what you're saying 

555
00:29:59,210 --> 00:30:01,890
there. 
But I'm glad to hear someone 

556
00:30:01,890 --> 00:30:04,570
else say it because it's just 
been so hard to get my head 

557
00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:06,850
wrapped around and trying to 
figure out what's going on with 

558
00:30:06,850 --> 00:30:09,260
this team. 
And I've got, I've got broader 

559
00:30:09,260 --> 00:30:11,340
stats on this that I'll get to 
in a second. 

560
00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:13,980
But before we do you have 
anything else on this 'cause I 

561
00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:15,620
want to talk about the defense a
minute, too. 

562
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:17,940
Yeah, yeah. 
And I want to talk about the 

563
00:30:17,940 --> 00:30:20,980
defense too, because as as bad 
as the offense has been, the 

564
00:30:20,980 --> 00:30:23,140
defense does not get a pass 
anymore either. 

565
00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:29,740
But the going back to the end of
last season, the the comments 

566
00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:32,380
that Allen made where he's like 
we we want a dual threat 

567
00:30:32,380 --> 00:30:34,300
quarterback. 
We've seen what it can do for 

568
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:37,780
us. 
You know that is. 

569
00:30:38,550 --> 00:30:42,030
Running like you said running 
that kind of offense is a 

570
00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:47,310
schematic change and a personnel
change that takes programs years

571
00:30:47,310 --> 00:30:50,510
to integrate and and fully 
accept. 

572
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:54,550
You need the offensive line that
are that have the run blocking 

573
00:30:54,550 --> 00:31:00,150
prowess and and scheme wise to 
be able to do that you need the 

574
00:31:00,150 --> 00:31:03,990
wide receivers that have the 
downfield blocking capability. 

575
00:31:04,270 --> 00:31:06,190
To do that you need the running 
backs that. 

576
00:31:06,790 --> 00:31:11,230
Provide enough enough of a 
dynamic look to be able to offer

577
00:31:11,230 --> 00:31:15,030
power run to be able to offer 
speed options and and Indiana I 

578
00:31:15,030 --> 00:31:18,350
think is fortunate in the fact 
that when they're healthy and 

579
00:31:18,350 --> 00:31:21,670
utilized correct correctly the 
Indiana's running back room with

580
00:31:21,670 --> 00:31:24,550
Josh Henderson with Christian 
Turner with Jaylen Lucas they 

581
00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:29,310
have the running backs to do it 
and and when who knows how and 

582
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:33,550
we can get into the Dexter 
Williams talk but when he comes 

583
00:31:33,550 --> 00:31:36,960
back and he's fully ready. 
You might have the quarterback 

584
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,560
to be able to at least execute 
the running part of it. 

585
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,720
The the issue with Dexter 
Williams has always been the 

586
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,960
quarterback aspect of his game 
the the throwing aspect. 

587
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,840
We've you know he's Indiana kind
of sought out a quarterback 

588
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,080
because they needed to this 
offseason but that was that was 

589
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,120
one of his his transgressions 
last year is well you beat 

590
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,640
Michigan State but you didn't 
complete a pass from regulation 

591
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,250
you. 
You know the the passing game 

592
00:32:06,250 --> 00:32:10,090
was feeding off of the run game,
which it it's complimentary 

593
00:32:10,090 --> 00:32:14,330
football, I understand that. 
But one has to lead the other 

594
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:17,210
and then it has to go vice versa
because otherwise teams will 

595
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:20,610
just key in on a run and and 
make you throw the ball. 

596
00:32:21,010 --> 00:32:25,290
But what what Indiana found out 
last year is they caught 

597
00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:29,530
lightning in a bottle with the 
dual Threat run game for the 

598
00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:33,410
last third of the regular season
and all of a sudden. 

599
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,600
Because there was no offensive 
direction before that was like, 

600
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,360
well, OK we found success with 
something we have to run with 

601
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:46,840
this now and as you mentioned 
the personnel the the scheme the

602
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,240
scheme way, the scheme way of 
thinking the the philosophy 

603
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,280
offensively it that's a complete
diversion from everything they 

604
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,000
had been doing and and that 
doesn't happen overnight you 

605
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,760
look at and and that's not 
something that even typically 

606
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,960
the the transfer portal can. 
Can fix and Indiana obviously 

607
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,720
brought in a ton of transfers 
this year. 

608
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,880
But you look at a team like 
Colorado which and they're you 

609
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,160
know they brought in 50 some 
transfers. 

610
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,400
They have all the offensive 
talent in the world at the 

611
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,320
skilled positions but their 
their offensive line still 

612
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,280
struggles and their defense 
still struggles because those 

613
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,160
are two units where you need 
continuity and and you know 

614
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,280
combined stacked starts and and 
and really chemistry between 

615
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,480
those units so that those are. 
Position groups and areas of the

616
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,680
game that that don't change 
overnight. 

617
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,480
And Indiana kind of caught 
lightning in a bottle. 

618
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,320
I think expected, or at least 
had hopes that that would happen

619
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,040
this offseason, running into 
this year. 

620
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,880
And we're seeing that just like 
for nearly everybody else, 

621
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,600
they're having the same exact 
issues with that that everybody 

622
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,680
else does and it and it's not 
working. 

623
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,800
And now Indiana's stuck in the 
mud again halfway through the 

624
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,000
season, staring down a two and 
four record. 

625
00:34:00,570 --> 00:34:04,010
You know, that could very easily
by the end of this be be two and

626
00:34:04,010 --> 00:34:07,570
10. 
And there's there's no sense of 

627
00:34:07,570 --> 00:34:11,570
direction or no sense of 
identity with this offense still

628
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:15,330
talking about the defense, the 
defense gave up 52 points. 

629
00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:19,650
You know, as much as Tom Allen 
gets lauded as a defensive 

630
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:22,690
mastermind and the guy that 
really understands defense, this

631
00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:25,330
defense has actually been awful 
the last three years, which I'm 

632
00:34:25,330 --> 00:34:27,010
gonna get to get into the stats 
in a little bit. 

633
00:34:27,010 --> 00:34:31,989
But you know, Michigan was 19 
for 22 through the air. 244 

634
00:34:31,989 --> 00:34:35,030
yards, 4 touchdowns, no 
interceptions, 11 yards for 

635
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:37,909
completed pass. 
Jack Tuttle was 5 for five. 

636
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:40,150
Now granted, it was only for 22 
yards and it was at the end of 

637
00:34:40,150 --> 00:34:44,469
the game. 
Michigan ran for 163 yards and 

638
00:34:44,469 --> 00:34:48,350
three touchdowns. 
Michigan's receivers, you know, 

639
00:34:48,350 --> 00:34:52,030
Colson Loveland, ended up with a
26.7 per catch average. 

640
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:55,449
Tyler Morris and Donovan Edwards
were both, you know, in double 

641
00:34:55,449 --> 00:34:59,850
digits in that there was very 
little resistance offered by the

642
00:34:59,850 --> 00:35:02,410
IUD fence after the first couple
of plays. 

643
00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:04,890
You know, Alan mentioned in his 
post game comments that they 

644
00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:08,730
missed a couple of sacks. 
Yeah, they also picked up a 

645
00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:11,370
couple of sacks early and they 
did stymie Michigan in those 

646
00:35:11,370 --> 00:35:14,970
first couple of series. 
And it was interesting, kind of 

647
00:35:14,970 --> 00:35:17,850
been reading through some of the
Michigan fan reactions and they 

648
00:35:17,850 --> 00:35:20,920
were like, wow, we were terrible
in the first half and they still

649
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,000
won 52 to 7, which they're 
taking is a good sign for their 

650
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,080
team, which I would maybe have 
them pump the brakes on it a bit

651
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,040
because I think what's been 
disturbing and we saw this last 

652
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,640
game against Maryland as well, 
this Indiana defense is so 

653
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,920
brittle against players that 
have high levels of athleticism 

654
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,720
and or speed. 
I use defense over the last 

655
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:47,420
three years, to borrow from our 
friend Taylor Lehman is it's so 

656
00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:50,380
dependent on high level 
individual performance. 

657
00:35:50,860 --> 00:35:55,380
And you know, clearly you saw 
that with some of the players 

658
00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:58,740
that Indiana had, whether it was
Mike and McFadden or you know 

659
00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:01,380
that they've gotten some good 
individual performances here and

660
00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:04,580
there from, you know, Taiwan 
Mullen at times. 

661
00:36:04,580 --> 00:36:07,540
But they're not. 
They don't have the type of 

662
00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:09,980
players or the caliber of 
players where you can just have 

663
00:36:09,980 --> 00:36:14,010
a bunch of individual performers
across the board right now. 

664
00:36:14,530 --> 00:36:16,490
They they brought a bunch of 
transfers in. 

665
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:18,410
They've had a couple of them 
that have worked out fairly 

666
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:20,170
well. 
You know, it was it was 

667
00:36:20,170 --> 00:36:25,090
certainly a good game today by 
Lionel Carr who had a couple of 

668
00:36:25,090 --> 00:36:28,210
sacks and that was nice to see 
and and certainly Aaron Casey 

669
00:36:28,690 --> 00:36:30,330
has continued to play pretty 
well. 

670
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:35,970
But as a as a unit they seem 
incredibly easy to exploit. 

671
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,040
They don't handle movement well.
They don't handle plays where 

672
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,560
routes are disguised well. 
They don't really handle, you 

673
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,280
know, straight up. 
We've got to stop this person 

674
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,080
from penetrating the line of 
scrimmage plays well. 

675
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:56,000
And it's it's disturbing to me 
as much as as as much as Alan 

676
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,320
talks about the offense in post 
game press conferences, as much 

677
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,400
as he's focused on the problems 
on offense, the problems at 

678
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,930
quarterback, this defense, I 
think you can make an argument 

679
00:37:05,930 --> 00:37:10,410
has actually been as bad as the 
offense, certainly over the 

680
00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:12,330
course of the last 2 1/2 
seasons. 

681
00:37:12,690 --> 00:37:15,130
And it's not just against teams 
like Michigan where you might 

682
00:37:15,130 --> 00:37:17,790
expect that the defense would 
not play well. 

683
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:20,950
But I think it's worth noting 
that, you know, Indiana played a

684
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:25,350
Michigan team that, yeah, they 
they scored 52 on the road 

685
00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:27,790
against Minnesota. 
Minnesota also notably, not a 

686
00:37:27,790 --> 00:37:31,830
very good defensive team, But 
Bowling Green held Michigan to 

687
00:37:31,830 --> 00:37:35,270
31 points. 
Rutgers held Michigan to 31 

688
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:38,670
points. 
UNLV held Michigan to 35 points 

689
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:41,340
and you could say, well, they 
OK, maybe they weren't trying 

690
00:37:41,340 --> 00:37:43,460
against those teams. 
I I'm sure they were trying 

691
00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:46,140
against Rutgers. 
But when you've got Michigan 

692
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:50,380
players on the pregame radio 
show, as was reported, I think 

693
00:37:50,380 --> 00:37:53,100
by Seth Tao, talking about how 
we're treating this like a 

694
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:57,300
training camp game, and their 
offense, which you wouldn't mail

695
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:59,860
into the Smithsonian, certainly.
I mean, Michigan's not that 

696
00:37:59,860 --> 00:38:02,460
explosive of a team, but they 
put 52 points up without really 

697
00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:04,740
breaking a sweat and without 
scoring in one of the four 

698
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:06,460
quarters that they had to score 
in. 

699
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,760
It's really I I think it should 
be a big warning sign to 

700
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,720
everybody that all the attention
on the offense is kind of 

701
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,080
minimizing the reality that the 
defense has not been anywhere 

702
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:22,560
close to good enough. 
Yeah, I I forget if it was a 

703
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,040
podcast I was listening to by 
you guys or or if I saw it 

704
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,640
somewhere. 
But the defense has has played 

705
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,790
like. 
A bunch of transfers that are 

706
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:35,430
still trying to find their 
footing where it's like there's 

707
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:39,430
no cohesion really anymore. 
The only plays you're the only 

708
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:44,390
playmakers you're really seeing 
are the edge rushers who's you 

709
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:48,390
know, one goal is to get to the 
quarterback, or Aaron Casey, who

710
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:52,470
just like always under Tom 
Allen, he's got one linebacker 

711
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:54,550
who's always got a nose for the 
ball. 

712
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:56,830
It was Micah McFadden and it was
Cam Jones. 

713
00:38:56,830 --> 00:38:58,430
And now it's and now it's Aaron 
Casey. 

714
00:38:59,470 --> 00:39:01,630
And I think Aaron Casey actually
had a pro scout there for him 

715
00:39:01,630 --> 00:39:03,830
yesterday. 
So good showing for him. 

716
00:39:03,830 --> 00:39:10,150
But otherwise the the unit just,
I know on your preview podcast 

717
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:15,190
you were like you know the the 
outcome here isn't necessarily 

718
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:20,910
in doubt but the the way that it
happened in the fashion where 

719
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:26,030
Michigan didn't need to score 52
points to beat Indiana and. 

720
00:39:26,540 --> 00:39:30,100
Indiana let Michigan score 52 
points like like you mentioned 

721
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:32,500
there was. 
And it's not like Michigan's 

722
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:35,620
been doing this to everybody. 
I know that. 

723
00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:41,660
I know they beat Minnesota 52 to
10, but Rutgers holding Michigan

724
00:39:41,660 --> 00:39:44,420
to to 31 points? 
Everybody's holding them right 

725
00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:50,340
around this 3035 point threshold
and Indiana essentially just 

726
00:39:50,340 --> 00:39:55,360
gets pushed around for 3/4 
Michigan scores. 52 points in 

727
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,240
3/4 where you know Indiana's 
defense looked like it had 

728
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,720
something going for it in that 
in that first quarter. 

729
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:07,240
And it it's almost like you know
how the there's the script 

730
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,360
drives right and and you try not
to to fall into the lull of it. 

731
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,840
I think maybe we might have 
fallen into the lull of what 

732
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,640
Indiana's offensive script 
looked like yesterday, because 

733
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,440
they probably had two weeks to 
prepare for that, but. 

734
00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:23,100
You know Michigan's offensive 
script, Indiana handled the 

735
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:26,500
first, the first chunk of that 
and then off script was just 

736
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:30,500
able to essentially get whatever
they wanted from Indiana or from

737
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:32,460
against Indiana's defense 
yesterday. 

738
00:40:33,980 --> 00:40:39,420
The the reliance on takeaways 
has been you know something that

739
00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:40,980
Allen and something that's 
defense. 

740
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:44,700
The mentality that the, the 
reliance and and effort put 

741
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:48,380
towards creating takeaways has 
been something that just they've

742
00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:52,100
emphasized constantly and you're
sitting here through six games 

743
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:56,460
and you have 6 interceptions and
no forced or two forced fumbles,

744
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:59,900
but no fumble recoveries. 
So you're sitting there and 

745
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:03,100
you're you're not creating 
takeaways anymore which was the 

746
00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:07,020
one of the main driving factors 
behind that 2020 season where 

747
00:41:07,020 --> 00:41:09,100
they found so much success 
because their turnover 

748
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:12,660
differential was so positive in 
in that sense. 

749
00:41:13,530 --> 00:41:16,810
But as that has gone away and 
kind of regressed the means and 

750
00:41:16,810 --> 00:41:20,570
then regressed further than the 
mean over the past three years, 

751
00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:23,570
there's just not a whole lot 
that this defense has to hang 

752
00:41:23,570 --> 00:41:27,530
its hat on anymore. 
And it it's it's troubling like 

753
00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:31,210
you say when when you have a a 
coach that's heralded from a 

754
00:41:31,210 --> 00:41:35,770
defensive background he's he was
elevated into this role from the

755
00:41:35,770 --> 00:41:38,530
defensive coordinator position 
after just one season at 

756
00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:42,090
Indiana. 
He and you know there's there's 

757
00:41:42,090 --> 00:41:48,160
a lot of of flaws that just 
consistently show up with this 

758
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,520
defense every single week and 
and now you're going on a run of

759
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,280
two or three seasons now where 
it's been you know just not 

760
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,480
adequate. 
Not up to scuff not up to 

761
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,400
standard to compete with even 
mid level Big 10 teams let alone

762
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,760
the guys like Michigan and Ohio 
State where you got to remember 

763
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,360
Ohio State scoring 23 points. 
Yes, Indiana's defense played 

764
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,880
well, but they also took the air
out of the ball for 3/4 of that 

765
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,080
game. 
So once India started to open up

766
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,480
and realized there's not a whole
lot offensively here, Ohio State

767
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,120
was able to start putting points
on the board. 

768
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,960
So there's just, there's just 
not a lot defensively to to hang

769
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,480
your hat on anymore. 
Really. 

770
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,000
Nothing at all after six weeks. 
Yeah. 

771
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,400
You mentioned that the turnover 
margin, I mean, in 2018, Indiana

772
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,400
was plus five in turnover 
margin. 

773
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,520
In 2019, they were +2. 
In 2020, they were plus eight. 

774
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:47,360
In an 8 game season 2021, there 
were minus 13/20/22, they were 

775
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,520
-5. 
And so far this season they're 

776
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,880
-3. 
Things are not trending in the 

777
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,880
right direction. 
They're really only -3 because 

778
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,880
they haven't turned the ball 
over themselves that often and 

779
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,240
that's really been the only 
thing that's kept them there. 

780
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,240
No, but I think you bring up a 
lot of great points and it's 

781
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,240
it's clear, it almost feels like
a lot of the attention has been 

782
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,920
focused by Allen and his press 
conferences on the inadequacies 

783
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,320
of the offense, as if it in 
almost to some degree feels like

784
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,800
a deflection. 
And it's like, yes, the offense 

785
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,040
has been bad, no question. 
But the defense has also been 

786
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,560
bad. 
And it's again. 

787
00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:29,460
Something that we were worried 
about in the pregame podcast and

788
00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:32,340
looking at this seem, you know, 
this whole season and how it was

789
00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:34,660
going to play out because you 
had so many new players coming 

790
00:43:34,660 --> 00:43:35,940
in. 
Because you were relying on so 

791
00:43:35,940 --> 00:43:38,300
many people who hadn't played 
necessarily in this system, 

792
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:40,860
Certainly hadn't played together
and hadn't played under this 

793
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:43,620
coaching staff. 
And while I've been excited at 

794
00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:48,780
times at what Matt Guerrero's 
defense has tried to do and 

795
00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:52,380
occasionally has succeeded in 
doing, on balance. 

796
00:43:53,050 --> 00:43:55,970
As you've gotten into better 
competition, they haven't looked

797
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:58,890
that impressive at all. 
And in fact, they've they've 

798
00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:01,770
just consistently not been able 
to make stops when they've 

799
00:44:01,770 --> 00:44:03,010
needed to. 
They haven't been able to stop 

800
00:44:03,010 --> 00:44:07,490
explosive plays, and it's led to
a circumstance where Indiana's 

801
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:10,090
defense is as much of A 
liability as their offense has 

802
00:44:10,090 --> 00:44:12,170
been. 
And that was the problem last 

803
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:13,250
year. 
I mean, people forget. 

804
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:16,430
S&P plus, I mean, everybody 
pointed to the offense last year

805
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:20,270
as being such a big issue. 
The defense was statistically 

806
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:23,870
demonstrably far worse last year
than the offense was. 

807
00:44:24,190 --> 00:44:26,950
And yet that's where you know 
you you. 

808
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:28,910
Obviously we had a coordinator 
change on defense, but it was 

809
00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:31,350
just Allen taking the role off 
of himself. 

810
00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:33,870
That should have been a red 
flag, I think to a lot of people

811
00:44:33,870 --> 00:44:36,030
about what was going on on that 
side of the ball. 

812
00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:41,190
So yeah I'm I'm looking here at 
the at the statistics of the Big

813
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:45,950
10 and Indiana's defense it is 
second worst only to Purdue on a

814
00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:50,550
on a points per game average but
in Purdue has also played seven 

815
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:55,230
games versus Indiana 6 so and 
and Purdue led by a defensive 

816
00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:57,190
background coach and Ryan 
Walters as well. 

817
00:44:57,190 --> 00:45:00,830
So which side note that game at 
the end of the year is that's 

818
00:45:01,550 --> 00:45:03,710
going to be something. 
It's going to be it's going to 

819
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:08,630
be like those those mid twenty 
10s games where each team's 

820
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:11,230
coming in with like two or three
wins and and it's essentially 

821
00:45:11,230 --> 00:45:17,920
the Super Bowl for both teams. 
But it's like the the the 

822
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,400
inconsistencies and everything 
when it comes to the management 

823
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,880
and the offense and the defense 
and the and the special teams is

824
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,000
is like you know penalty wise, 
yeah, that's just gone downhill.

825
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,520
The the you you take what you 
get with the kicking game. 

826
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,320
We've barely seen any of Chris 
Freeman or Nikko Radjicic this 

827
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,760
year. 
But with just like the overall 

828
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,650
direction that the program is 
going in all facets, there's not

829
00:45:44,650 --> 00:45:46,490
anything that's trending 
positively. 

830
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:48,890
And it's one of those things 
where it's like in in the 

831
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:51,770
Matrix, it's like you take the 
red pill and you and you just 

832
00:45:51,770 --> 00:45:53,690
kind of make the wholesale 
change, right. 

833
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:57,050
You just kind of cut your losses
and and be like well we know 

834
00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:59,210
that something's got to 
completely change or you take 

835
00:45:59,210 --> 00:46:03,890
the blue pill and it's like how 
how deep does the rabbit hole go

836
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:08,960
with you know the the negative 
trends in on in each facet of 

837
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:09,560
the game. 
So I. 

838
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,480
Mean Indiana, Indiana. 
New S&P plus rankings are out 

839
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:16,960
which is an evaluation of the 
resume and and last year's 

840
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,000
pretty much out of the system. 
Like it's all this year. 

841
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,640
Indiana's 96th and S&P plus 
their offense is 97th. 

842
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,600
Their defense is 88th and 
special teams is 63rd. 

843
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,360
They're now behind Northwestern 
in S&P plus they're behind 

844
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,440
Vanderbilt. 
They're behind Arizona State 

845
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,480
who's won in five. 
They're behind Virginia who's 

846
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,000
won in five. 
It's not just the losses. 

847
00:46:37,610 --> 00:46:40,130
And this is where you know a lot
of I, I was seeing some 

848
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:43,290
commentary, even heard it a 
little bit yesterday on a radio 

849
00:46:43,290 --> 00:46:45,730
program. 
There's some commentary about, 

850
00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:47,690
well, Indiana's just played a 
really tough schedule. 

851
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:51,250
You know the teams coming into 
last year or last week were 23 

852
00:46:51,250 --> 00:46:54,170
and one, you know, we can't 
judge Indiana too harshly. 

853
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:55,970
They're probably better than 
what they look like. 

854
00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:59,410
Well, A, the the in depth 
statistics that really measure 

855
00:46:59,410 --> 00:47:01,690
these things tell a completely 
different story. 

856
00:47:01,690 --> 00:47:03,930
They say Indiana is actually 
this bad and B. 

857
00:47:04,780 --> 00:47:08,460
I think it's worth noting that a
it was reset like Rutgers kept 

858
00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:10,420
it significantly closer against 
Michigan. 

859
00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:14,580
Illinois, who has been real bad 
all season, waltzed into College

860
00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:17,340
Park and came away with a 
regulation victory against a 

861
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:20,540
team that boat raced Indiana a 
couple of weeks earlier. 

862
00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:25,380
Louisville, who was undefeated, 
you know, had had a game where 

863
00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:28,580
they lost in pretty embarrassing
fashion to pit. 

864
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:33,580
It's it's hard to take even. 
The few positives you might 

865
00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:37,500
grasp at with this IU program 
right now you know and and do 

866
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:39,620
anything with them because 
there's always something. 

867
00:47:39,660 --> 00:47:42,460
I think it was as it was said by
by Osterman in one of his 

868
00:47:42,460 --> 00:47:46,140
earlier articles there's there's
there's no rock bottom rock 

869
00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:50,340
bottom can always be worse and 
and so this kind of leads me to 

870
00:47:50,580 --> 00:47:54,740
I I was looking at some 
statistics yesterday because I I

871
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:58,020
don't know that we've really 
gotten a full sense of where 

872
00:47:58,020 --> 00:48:00,980
Indiana's AT and where they've 
been since the start of the 2021

873
00:48:00,980 --> 00:48:03,150
season. 
I'm really excited for. 

874
00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:06,710
This I bet you are. 
So this is what I've I've found 

875
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:08,270
after running all of the 
numbers. 

876
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:11,910
So since the start of the 2121 
season, if you just focus on Big

877
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:15,790
10 play, which is really the 
important stuff, Indiana's 2 and

878
00:48:15,830 --> 00:48:19,470
19 now, which we knew that ever 
anybody that's been paying 

879
00:48:19,470 --> 00:48:20,870
attention. 
You know that Indiana's won two 

880
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:24,430
games in the conference since 
the start of the 2021 season in 

881
00:48:24,430 --> 00:48:27,150
that in those games, those 21 
games, Indiana has been 

882
00:48:27,150 --> 00:48:36,040
outscored 745 to 308. 
Which is an average score of 30,

883
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,160
I think. 
What is it, 35 to 1435 to 15, If

884
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,160
you want to round up, it's 
actually 35.5 to 14.7. 

885
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,560
That's real bad. 
Now what immediately happens 

886
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,920
when you bring that statistic up
is people who are inclined to 

887
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,440
defend Allen's program right now
say, oh, but they play in the 

888
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,000
Big 10 E and they have to play 
all these tough teams every 

889
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:58,640
year. 
That's. 

890
00:48:58,760 --> 00:48:59,920
That's true. 
They do. 

891
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,680
So if you take it the next level
and you take all the games out 

892
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:09,560
versus Michigan Ohio State and 
Penn State, Indiana is 2 and 11 

893
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:16,760
in those games and has been 
outscored 431 to 246, an average

894
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,240
score margin of 33 to 19. 
So Indiana's only done four 

895
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:24,680
points better in those games, 
and they've only allowed two 

896
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,120
fewer points. 
And that's again. 

897
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,480
No games against Michigan. 
No games against Ohio State. 

898
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,930
No games against Penn State. 
In that span since the start of 

899
00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:37,770
2021, IUS offense has only 
scored more than 23 points on 3 

900
00:49:37,770 --> 00:49:43,970
occasions in that entire span. 
One of them was the double 

901
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:45,810
overtime game against Michigan 
State. 

902
00:49:45,810 --> 00:49:48,410
To be fair, they had 31 points 
going into that overtime. 

903
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:52,650
One of them was the loss at home
last year to Maryland, and one 

904
00:49:52,650 --> 00:49:57,450
of them was the loss at Maryland
in 2021, where they lost 38 to 

905
00:49:57,450 --> 00:49:59,450
35. 
So in those games where they've 

906
00:49:59,450 --> 00:50:03,090
scored 23 or more points or more
than 23 points, they've they've 

907
00:50:03,090 --> 00:50:05,650
lost two of them and the third 
one went to overtime. 

908
00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:11,370
In that same span I use, offense
has only exceeded 17 points five

909
00:50:11,370 --> 00:50:13,730
times. 
So we've got the the three games

910
00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:18,570
I just mentioned and then you've
got the game at Nebraska last 

911
00:50:18,570 --> 00:50:21,970
year that they lost 35 to 21. 
And you've got, of course, the 

912
00:50:21,970 --> 00:50:27,210
win that they had last year at 
home against Illinois to start 

913
00:50:27,210 --> 00:50:29,380
the season. 
So that that's it. 

914
00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:31,940
That those are the only times 
that Indiana's exceeded 17 

915
00:50:31,940 --> 00:50:34,140
points since the start of 2021 
on offense. 

916
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:38,180
It actually gets worse. 
In that span, I use only LED 

917
00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:42,700
once in all of those games, all 
21 games, by 10 or more points. 

918
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:45,740
They've only LED by 10 or more 
points once in any of those 

919
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:48,260
games, and they lost that game. 
That was the game. 

920
00:50:48,260 --> 00:50:49,860
That was the Rutgers game last 
year. 

921
00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:51,060
Yes, correct. 
Good job. 

922
00:50:51,060 --> 00:50:55,380
You you you get double jeopardy 
for that in that same span. 

923
00:50:55,780 --> 00:50:59,940
Since the start of the 21/20/21 
season and I, U.S. defence has 

924
00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:03,540
allowed at least 20 points in 
every single game. 

925
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:06,700
They have not held an opponent 
under 20 points in Big 10 play 

926
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:10,660
in any of those 21 games and 
they have allowed at least 30 

927
00:51:10,660 --> 00:51:23,400
points in 15 of the 21 games. 
So that's I I felt like. 

928
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,000
I felt like I just kept taking 
Blue. 

929
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:25,840
Pills there. 
No. 

930
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,760
So yeah, you you wanted the blue
pill, you you got the sense of 

931
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,040
the rabbit hole. 
And this is the problem. 

932
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,760
I mean the even taking out 
Michigan, Ohio State and Penn 

933
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,240
State, which I've always felt 
like, yes, it's it's unfair if 

934
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:41,400
you're comparing to the West. 
But you can't just say, well, we

935
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,480
can't compete against those 
teams, which has seemed to be 

936
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,720
the MO of a lot of how this is 
gone. 

937
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:48,550
You're talking about if you take
out those games, you're talking 

938
00:51:48,550 --> 00:51:50,790
about three games against 
Maryland, two games against 

939
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:53,510
Purdue, two games against 
Michigan State, two games 

940
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:55,910
against Rutgers, a game against 
Nebraska, a game against 

941
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:58,190
Illinois, a game against 
Minnesota, and a game against 

942
00:51:58,270 --> 00:52:01,470
Iowa. 
You're 2 and 11 in those games 

943
00:52:01,790 --> 00:52:05,590
since the start of the 2021 
season, and I only say that 

944
00:52:05,590 --> 00:52:11,090
because I think to some degree. 
The the level of excuse making 

945
00:52:11,090 --> 00:52:14,130
that's been made for IU over the
course of the last 2 1/2 years 

946
00:52:14,130 --> 00:52:16,250
and look again. 
I hate the fact that we have to 

947
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:18,250
get on here and talk about 
losses every week. 

948
00:52:18,250 --> 00:52:20,170
I hate the fact that I have to 
go back and look at these 

949
00:52:20,170 --> 00:52:24,290
statistics. 
I I missed the days in the mid 

950
00:52:24,610 --> 00:52:27,410
to late twenty 10s when we could
get on here and Scott and I 

951
00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:30,750
could. 
Enjoy wins or even close losses.

952
00:52:30,750 --> 00:52:33,350
And we could talk about IU being
competitive and trying to, you 

953
00:52:33,350 --> 00:52:35,550
know, breakthrough and get over 
the hump or having, you know, 

954
00:52:35,830 --> 00:52:39,710
played a really great game and 
won at Nebraska or one at, you 

955
00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:41,870
know, at home versus 
Northwestern. 

956
00:52:42,430 --> 00:52:45,870
There's been none of that the 
last 2 1/2 years or very little 

957
00:52:45,870 --> 00:52:49,630
of it. 
And it's so stark to me how? 

958
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,200
Like, catastrophically bad. 
Indiana's been in multiple 

959
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,480
phases of the game since the 
start of the 2021 season, and it

960
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,280
kind of goes back to it goes 
back to a bunch of different 

961
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,080
things. 
But just the lack of direction, 

962
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,040
the lack of improvement, it's 
not like Indiana's even gotten 

963
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,920
necessarily better in this 
process because you look at this

964
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,680
season and in the three Big 10 
games that they've played, 

965
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,440
they've scored 27 points and 
they've allowed. 

966
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:20,820
What, 119 points in the three 
games that they've played in the

967
00:53:20,820 --> 00:53:25,260
conference so far this year? 
That's and and that's not good. 

968
00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:28,580
It's not good. 
So, so that's that. 

969
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:29,860
That's it. 
I don't even know what else to 

970
00:53:29,860 --> 00:53:31,900
say on that, Mason. 
Maybe you have something to say 

971
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:37,980
and you can bail me out of this.
That's a lot you you had texted 

972
00:53:38,020 --> 00:53:39,260
me, you had texted me last 
night. 

973
00:53:39,260 --> 00:53:42,300
You were like man I have some 
jaw drop some jaw-dropping stats

974
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:45,980
and I I was I was ready for it. 
I I don't know if I was ready 

975
00:53:45,980 --> 00:53:50,380
for the extensiveness of it. 
I think you bring up a good 

976
00:53:50,380 --> 00:53:55,380
point with the kind of the 
excuse making and and and the 

977
00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:58,740
deflecting of it to go back a a 
few minutes ago you you were 

978
00:53:58,740 --> 00:54:04,460
talking about deflecting kind of
the goal posts seem to move 

979
00:54:04,780 --> 00:54:08,660
where when it when it it talks 
about OK well Indiana plays in 

980
00:54:08,660 --> 00:54:12,660
the Big 10 E and and the goal 
posts move back further and the 

981
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:17,820
these performances that continue
to stack and be inadequate and 

982
00:54:17,820 --> 00:54:22,620
not not even up to competitive 
standard let alone winning 

983
00:54:22,620 --> 00:54:27,780
standard against not even the 
top 3 powers in the Big 10 E or 

984
00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:32,660
you know just at just any Big 10
opponent period and this is 

985
00:54:32,660 --> 00:54:36,020
before four more teams come in 
next year that are all 

986
00:54:36,020 --> 00:54:39,460
substantially better right now 
than than Indiana is as well 

987
00:54:40,220 --> 00:54:44,490
where it's like the goal posts 
seem to keep moving back because

988
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:46,290
it's like well they played in 
the toughest division in 

989
00:54:46,290 --> 00:54:47,930
football. 
They play in a really tough 

990
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:50,730
conference. 
You know Indiana's a really 

991
00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:55,370
tough job and and you've seen 
that there's been coaches 

992
00:54:55,370 --> 00:55:00,410
elsewhere that especially when 
given the the length of time 

993
00:55:00,410 --> 00:55:04,730
that Allen has had in his tenure
has found some sort of success 

994
00:55:04,810 --> 00:55:08,210
and found some sort of 
consistency with it as well. 

995
00:55:08,610 --> 00:55:12,330
And that is just absent from 
this program right now and it 

996
00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:14,610
has been for the past three 
years. 

997
00:55:15,850 --> 00:55:20,890
The the anomalies of 2019 and 
2020 continue to become more and

998
00:55:20,890 --> 00:55:25,930
more fascinating where it's like
something that the perfect storm

999
00:55:25,930 --> 00:55:27,290
really came together in those 
years. 

1000
00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:30,730
Because now you you've you've 
come out of those games and 

1001
00:55:30,730 --> 00:55:35,930
you're 8 and 22 since then since
the beginning of the 2021 season

1002
00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:40,260
I think. 
And there's just not a lot to to

1003
00:55:40,260 --> 00:55:44,380
really look forward to where the
the coaching staff and and the 

1004
00:55:44,380 --> 00:55:47,100
expectations seem to keep moving
back for Indiana. 

1005
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:49,980
And it's like the fan base I 
feel like on the other hand and 

1006
00:55:49,980 --> 00:55:51,940
you would have a much better 
pulse on this than I would 

1007
00:55:53,380 --> 00:55:55,780
speaking from a non biased 
perspective, it's like the it's 

1008
00:55:55,780 --> 00:55:57,900
like the fan base is actually 
moving them closer. 

1009
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:00,860
It's like just show us something
just show us something some 

1010
00:56:00,860 --> 00:56:05,500
semblance of a reason to invest 
again back into this program and

1011
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:09,500
and give their time and and 
spend their money to to see this

1012
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:13,780
program to to invest in its 
future And it it's like the 

1013
00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:17,420
goodwill from those two seasons 
has has completely run its 

1014
00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:20,580
course. 
It's run out and everything is 

1015
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:24,020
just even even with the goal 
posts coming closer to Indiana 

1016
00:56:24,020 --> 00:56:26,020
it's like well they keep moving 
backwards. 

1017
00:56:26,020 --> 00:56:30,660
So I would say in AI would say 
in a system where or in an 

1018
00:56:30,660 --> 00:56:33,900
instance where Indiana probably 
feels they're moving the goal 

1019
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:36,900
posts back, they're actually 
just going backwards and the 

1020
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:39,140
goal posts aren't moving at all 
so well. 

1021
00:56:39,220 --> 00:56:41,300
I would, yeah. 
It's it's one of those. 

1022
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:43,300
It's just a weird. 
It's just a weird. 

1023
00:56:43,340 --> 00:56:44,780
It's really. 
It's a weird spectrum. 

1024
00:56:44,780 --> 00:56:47,900
It's really frustrating, 'cause 
I feel like IU fans have been 

1025
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:52,060
chided for like somehow not 
being more grateful to Tom Allen

1026
00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:56,140
and and it's constantly like 
well, time on coach the 2019 and

1027
00:56:56,140 --> 00:56:59,060
2020 teams like yes, and I think
everybody was very grateful and 

1028
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:02,820
expressed that gratitude and. 
But even as late as the end of 

1029
00:57:02,820 --> 00:57:06,100
last year, it was like, well, IU
fans, you know, there's dips in 

1030
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:07,740
every program. 
This isn't a dip. 

1031
00:57:08,020 --> 00:57:11,260
I mean the what the statistics I
just described, that's not a dip

1032
00:57:11,540 --> 00:57:15,180
like that's you've blown a tire 
on the Interstate and there's 

1033
00:57:15,580 --> 00:57:17,900
roadside assistance is not 
coming to save you. 

1034
00:57:19,850 --> 00:57:23,490
IU football fans like die hard 
IU football fans, they're not 

1035
00:57:23,490 --> 00:57:27,370
imagining things when they look 
out there and they see a program

1036
00:57:27,370 --> 00:57:30,370
that just looks rudderless and 
doesn't seem to know how to fix 

1037
00:57:30,370 --> 00:57:33,490
the problems that are there and 
and honestly has created more 

1038
00:57:33,490 --> 00:57:36,970
problems along the way rather 
than addressing the ones that 

1039
00:57:36,970 --> 00:57:41,770
were originally present. 
And you know, I think the people

1040
00:57:41,770 --> 00:57:45,250
that have been kind of yelling 
and screaming about I us lack of

1041
00:57:45,250 --> 00:57:47,450
performance that a lot of times 
they'll just get. 

1042
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:51,670
They'll get called out as not 
being properly supportive of the

1043
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:53,870
program. 
Like somehow that's the problem 

1044
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:55,470
with the program. 
And it's like, no, the problem 

1045
00:57:55,470 --> 00:57:58,390
with the program is the program 
isn't working properly right 

1046
00:57:58,390 --> 00:58:00,430
now. 
And I think everybody, everybody

1047
00:58:00,430 --> 00:58:04,870
has shown they'll get behind IU 
football in mass numbers if 

1048
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:07,550
they're given something, as you 
said, to latch onto. 

1049
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:09,430
There's nothing to latch onto 
here. 

1050
00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:13,010
The post game comments have 
really upset a lot of people who

1051
00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:16,490
perceive, whether accurate or 
not accurate, that Tom Allen is 

1052
00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:19,810
throwing his players under the 
bus and in particularly his 

1053
00:58:19,810 --> 00:58:22,970
starting quarterbacks and 
focusing all the attention on 

1054
00:58:23,130 --> 00:58:25,850
well, we're not, you know, guys 
aren't taking advantage of of 

1055
00:58:25,930 --> 00:58:27,490
opportunities or aren't 
executing. 

1056
00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:30,930
When it's like you, you look at 
those numbers and for 2 1/2 

1057
00:58:30,930 --> 00:58:34,450
years in the Big 10 player, 
averaging under 15 points a 

1058
00:58:34,450 --> 00:58:38,420
game, that's. 
Not something that people are 

1059
00:58:38,420 --> 00:58:41,780
imagining, and I think it's 
important that fans understand 

1060
00:58:42,260 --> 00:58:45,340
you're right to be frustrated. 
I think any football program 

1061
00:58:45,620 --> 00:58:50,140
would look at these numbers, 
FBSFCS, whatever, and they would

1062
00:58:50,140 --> 00:58:54,140
say, wow, we're 2 and 19 in 
conference play over the last 2 

1063
00:58:54,140 --> 00:58:57,180
1/2 seasons and we're not even 
averaging 15 points a game on 

1064
00:58:57,180 --> 00:58:59,420
offense. 
And we're giving up more than 7 

1065
00:58:59,420 --> 00:59:02,260
touchdowns. 
Excuse me, More than five 

1066
00:59:02,260 --> 00:59:06,150
touchdowns a game in offense. 
That's bad that that is 

1067
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:08,870
something that you look at and 
you say this, this is not 

1068
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:10,310
acceptable. 
This cannot stand. 

1069
00:59:10,670 --> 00:59:14,590
Let's let's end on this though. 
Mason, Indiana's got to play 

1070
00:59:14,590 --> 00:59:17,540
Rutgers this upcoming week. 
It's a homecoming game. 

1071
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:21,420
Rutgers has kind of owned 
Indiana the last couple of 

1072
00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:23,700
years. 
You know it's a two game losing 

1073
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:25,900
streak to Rutgers. 
They had a lead last year at 

1074
00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:27,980
Rutgers. 
They end up losing 2417. 

1075
00:59:27,980 --> 00:59:30,300
They get destroyed by Rutgers at
home. 

1076
00:59:30,620 --> 00:59:34,540
A couple of years ago, 38 to 3, 
Rutgers just had a big fourth 

1077
00:59:34,540 --> 00:59:38,700
quarter comeback where they beat
Michigan State and Rutgers is 

1078
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:42,780
going to be playing for bowl 
eligibility in this game against

1079
00:59:42,780 --> 00:59:45,730
Indiana. 
What does Indiana do? 

1080
00:59:45,730 --> 00:59:48,210
Like what? 
What can they do in this 

1081
00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:51,210
intermediate period between the 
end of this Michigan game and 

1082
00:59:51,210 --> 00:59:53,650
the start of that Rutgers game 
to try to put themselves in a 

1083
00:59:53,650 --> 00:59:56,290
position to win? 
Obviously, Rutgers is not as 

1084
00:59:56,290 --> 00:59:58,930
talented as Indiana or, excuse 
me, as Michigan. 

1085
00:59:59,490 --> 01:00:01,330
They may not be as talented as 
Indiana. 

1086
01:00:01,330 --> 01:00:03,210
I mean, you could look at the 
recruiting rankings and you 

1087
01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:05,650
could probably make an argument.
Indiana's got more raw talent on

1088
01:00:05,650 --> 01:00:08,650
the field, but Rutgers looks 
like they have a direction and 

1089
01:00:08,650 --> 01:00:11,490
Indiana doesn't. 
Is there anything that Indiana 

1090
01:00:11,490 --> 01:00:15,410
can do in this week? 
To get their heads turned around

1091
01:00:15,410 --> 01:00:18,610
and be able to win what is 
essentially an absolute must win

1092
01:00:18,610 --> 01:00:23,370
game for them. 
Yeah that's a really good 

1093
01:00:23,370 --> 01:00:27,130
question Galen, I I'm gonna, I'm
gonna go back to the previous 

1094
01:00:27,130 --> 01:00:28,490
point about the fan base real 
quick. 

1095
01:00:29,770 --> 01:00:34,090
I I think there's also a notion 
that because Indiana football 

1096
01:00:34,090 --> 01:00:37,090
fans are are rightfully upset 
with the way things are going 

1097
01:00:37,090 --> 01:00:39,810
that they don't appreciate the 
talent that the that the roster 

1098
01:00:39,810 --> 01:00:43,550
has. 
I I think it's more of an issue 

1099
01:00:43,550 --> 01:00:50,230
where the coaching Staffs miss 
utilization or complete complete

1100
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:53,710
choice not to to utilize some of
these guys in the in the correct

1101
01:00:53,710 --> 01:00:58,430
fashion plays into that because 
there are name a guy that is 

1102
01:00:58,430 --> 01:01:01,350
easier to get behind on this 
Indiana team than Tavin Jackson 

1103
01:01:01,350 --> 01:01:03,550
based purely on his namesake 
alone. 

1104
01:01:04,590 --> 01:01:07,590
There's there's there's players 
all over this roster that have 

1105
01:01:07,590 --> 01:01:09,990
really good stories that are 
are. 

1106
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,600
The talented football players 
that I think a lot of the fan 

1107
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:18,280
base is behind, there's just not
a a sense of trust, a sense of 

1108
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:22,600
belief in what the coaching 
staff is able to do with them. 

1109
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,080
That I think kind of wears off 
as, oh, Indiana fans aren't 

1110
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,280
grateful for what they have in 
in Tom Allen or or or what they 

1111
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,320
had in Tom Allen or or or the 
talent that's on the roster. 

1112
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,640
Where it's like, no, it's just 
there's there is the town on the

1113
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,640
roster, but they're upset 
because it's not being utilized 

1114
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,890
correctly. 
And it's not being converted 

1115
01:01:40,890 --> 01:01:44,410
into the same kind of victories 
that a team like Rutgers, who as

1116
01:01:44,410 --> 01:01:48,730
you just mentioned, is in mid to
late October going to be playing

1117
01:01:48,730 --> 01:01:50,930
for bull eligibility like 
Indiana. 

1118
01:01:51,490 --> 01:01:55,370
Realistically, these two teams 
are not in different realms, but

1119
01:01:55,370 --> 01:02:00,330
in the past two seasons have 
been as as in sense of a 

1120
01:02:00,330 --> 01:02:03,370
direction, and especially on the
field, they haven't even looked,

1121
01:02:03,770 --> 01:02:06,150
you know? 
Competitive especially not 21 

1122
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:11,190
game that was 3538 to 3 if I 
remember correctly 38 to 3:00 

1123
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:15,990
and then they're up 14 nothing 
last year at Piscataway and and 

1124
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:23,270
end up blowing that one as well.
There's just man a a week there 

1125
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:28,430
there's you have to find a way 
to somehow flush this this 

1126
01:02:28,430 --> 01:02:34,150
Michigan result but. 
I I I question the ability of 

1127
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:36,510
this team to do that because we 
see it. 

1128
01:02:36,510 --> 01:02:40,110
We see it in game situations 
where one mistake compounds to 

1129
01:02:40,110 --> 01:02:44,590
three and then a three compounds
to five and and really just you 

1130
01:02:44,590 --> 01:02:47,070
look back at the end of that 
first half where it's like that 

1131
01:02:47,070 --> 01:02:49,950
game could have been it. 
It actually could have been 

1132
01:02:49,950 --> 01:02:51,990
pretty, pretty close to 10 or 
14. 

1133
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:55,670
Nothing before, before Michigan 
scores and then it could have 

1134
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:57,870
been 7/7. 
It could have been 14-7. 

1135
01:02:58,070 --> 01:02:59,870
You go into the half down to 
scores. 

1136
01:03:00,250 --> 01:03:01,570
You don't even score in the 
second-half. 

1137
01:03:01,570 --> 01:03:05,450
It's like it's like one thing 
just compounds into another And 

1138
01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:08,370
and it kind of feels that same 
way with the weeks now where 

1139
01:03:08,370 --> 01:03:11,090
it's like, well, are they just 
going to go through the motions 

1140
01:03:11,090 --> 01:03:15,210
this week and and kind of you 
know accept their fate there 

1141
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:17,650
where it's like, yeah, the the 
commentary around this game is 

1142
01:03:17,650 --> 01:03:20,210
it's must win because frankly it
is. 

1143
01:03:20,330 --> 01:03:24,090
I mean, this is the this is the 
barometer the past few years of 

1144
01:03:24,370 --> 01:03:26,730
are you in the basement of the 
Big 10 E or not? 

1145
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:29,700
Or really in the Big 10 this 
year, 'cause now you're looking 

1146
01:03:29,740 --> 01:03:33,460
at. 
I believe everybody else in the 

1147
01:03:33,460 --> 01:03:36,140
conference has won a conference 
game now with with Illinois 

1148
01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:39,420
beating Maryland and and Rutgers
beating Michigan State. 

1149
01:03:39,420 --> 01:03:42,540
I'm not sure if Michigan State. 
State hasn't won one yet, but 

1150
01:03:42,540 --> 01:03:46,300
that I mean, OK, so it took. 
It took a program that had to 

1151
01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:49,380
literally fire their coach at 
the beginning of the season to 

1152
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:51,740
find another team. 
And even Michigan. 

1153
01:03:51,740 --> 01:03:54,660
In the same boat as Indiana. 
Even Michigan State all the 

1154
01:03:54,660 --> 01:04:00,100
season has scored in conference 
play 49 points and allowed 84. 

1155
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:03,220
Indiana scored 27 points and 
allowed 119. 

1156
01:04:03,220 --> 01:04:05,380
So that they're not, they're not
even quite in the same boat, 

1157
01:04:05,380 --> 01:04:07,860
because at least Michigan 
State's been in these games. 

1158
01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:14,260
Yeah, I would. 
As far as like pure on field 

1159
01:04:15,340 --> 01:04:19,580
performance, you have to find I 
guess as much of that first 

1160
01:04:19,580 --> 01:04:25,180
quarter tape and and and drill 
that in as possible but. 

1161
01:04:26,090 --> 01:04:29,170
I'm not sure necessarily if if I
had the answer I'd probably be 

1162
01:04:29,170 --> 01:04:31,410
coaching somewhere but 
thankfully I I'm not doing that 

1163
01:04:31,410 --> 01:04:37,770
so that there's just it's it's a
dire situation and and I I go 

1164
01:04:37,770 --> 01:04:41,610
back to the point where I I'm 
not sure if the coaching staff 

1165
01:04:42,210 --> 01:04:44,850
realizes that or not. 
It's specifically Tom Allen. 

1166
01:04:44,850 --> 01:04:48,370
I'm not sure if he realizes how 
dire the situation truly is, and

1167
01:04:48,370 --> 01:04:51,410
I think more than anything if 
there's a sense of urgency 

1168
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:55,910
because of. 
An understanding of that somehow

1169
01:04:57,070 --> 01:05:00,950
coming over this coaching staff,
coming over this team, that 

1170
01:05:00,950 --> 01:05:04,310
would be just as important as, 
you know, finding something that

1171
01:05:04,310 --> 01:05:08,510
actually works schematically and
performance wise on the field on

1172
01:05:08,510 --> 01:05:10,390
Saturday. 
But yeah, and it may. 

1173
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:12,150
I will say I don't envy the 
position. 

1174
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:15,110
And and it may be that they do 
recognize it, but it's not being

1175
01:05:15,110 --> 01:05:16,430
talked about in press 
conferences. 

1176
01:05:16,430 --> 01:05:18,990
But recognizing it and knowing 
what to do about it are two very

1177
01:05:18,990 --> 01:05:20,950
different things. 
And that seems to be the thing 

1178
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:24,400
that's missing is that we've now
seen multiple years. 

1179
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,000
And it's funny you mentioned 
that Indiana Rutgers game from 

1180
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,120
two years ago because if you 
took the names off and you just 

1181
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,080
looked at the stats, you would 
think it was from this year that

1182
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:38,440
game Indiana had, they had three
quarterbacks throw double digit 

1183
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:43,610
passes and they finished with a 
4.2 yards per completion 

1184
01:05:43,610 --> 01:05:45,490
average. 
They were 18 for 42. 

1185
01:05:45,490 --> 01:05:48,730
They had 0 touchdowns, 2 
interceptions, 177 yards. 

1186
01:05:48,730 --> 01:05:52,410
Their rushing attack was 32 
carries for 82 yards, 2.6 yards 

1187
01:05:52,410 --> 01:05:54,850
per carry. 
It's just it's like white label 

1188
01:05:55,130 --> 01:05:58,170
Indiana offense unfortunately, 
but the worst kind where you 

1189
01:05:58,170 --> 01:05:59,610
can't tell the difference from 
year to year. 

1190
01:05:59,610 --> 01:06:02,890
That was two years ago and and 
so we'll see. 

1191
01:06:02,890 --> 01:06:05,890
I mean, look, I I do think from 
the standpoint of Indiana, 

1192
01:06:05,890 --> 01:06:09,290
Rutgers, you know, the, the, the
saving grace for Indiana is 

1193
01:06:09,290 --> 01:06:14,770
that, as we mentioned, Rutgers 
isn't that talented and you 

1194
01:06:14,770 --> 01:06:16,170
know, they haven't scored that 
many points. 

1195
01:06:16,170 --> 01:06:18,250
They're only averaging 27 points
a game. 

1196
01:06:18,530 --> 01:06:20,690
They're allowing 16 points a 
game. 

1197
01:06:20,850 --> 01:06:25,770
But in Big 10 play, they've 
scored 71, they've allowed 86. 

1198
01:06:26,050 --> 01:06:29,570
There's at least a route there 
where you can say, well, OK, 

1199
01:06:29,570 --> 01:06:31,690
Northwestern's two wins have 
been at home against 

1200
01:06:31,690 --> 01:06:36,150
Northwestern and Michigan State 
and they got to travel on the 

1201
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:39,070
road, maybe Indiana. 
You know, they if they can 

1202
01:06:39,070 --> 01:06:41,870
properly put in their rearview 
mirror the fact that they got 

1203
01:06:41,870 --> 01:06:45,150
drubbed at Michigan, which you 
know that you should be able to 

1204
01:06:45,150 --> 01:06:47,310
do that because you're used to 
doing that right now. 

1205
01:06:47,950 --> 01:06:52,310
But I just what what concerns me
is that Rutgers has been good 

1206
01:06:52,310 --> 01:06:56,790
enough on defense that if 
Indiana is going to expect to 

1207
01:06:56,790 --> 01:06:59,750
not have a plan, as they 
appeared to not have in the 

1208
01:06:59,750 --> 01:07:04,250
Michigan game, or the Maryland 
game for that matter, it's not 

1209
01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:06,810
like Rutgers just going to roll 
over and let them try things on 

1210
01:07:06,810 --> 01:07:09,050
offense. 
And certainly the running back 

1211
01:07:09,050 --> 01:07:10,810
injury situation is going to be 
interesting. 

1212
01:07:10,810 --> 01:07:13,330
If you don't have Josh Henderson
and you don't have Chris Turner,

1213
01:07:13,610 --> 01:07:17,530
that's a real problem. 
But it's also like the the 

1214
01:07:17,530 --> 01:07:19,610
inability to get the ball to the
receivers makes it a 

1215
01:07:19,610 --> 01:07:23,850
significantly worse problem and 
the lack of commitment to one 

1216
01:07:23,850 --> 01:07:27,330
style of offense or another. 
And it, you know, when when Rod 

1217
01:07:27,330 --> 01:07:31,660
Carey's official hiring press 
conference happened what what 

1218
01:07:31,660 --> 01:07:32,980
was the word? 
It was like well we're it's too 

1219
01:07:32,980 --> 01:07:35,420
deep into the season to make 
large scale changes. 

1220
01:07:36,100 --> 01:07:38,140
Now it's like well what OK, what
does that mean? 

1221
01:07:38,140 --> 01:07:41,140
Does that mean that you can or 
can't settle on an offensive 

1222
01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:43,620
approach and just go with it 
with the idea that it might not 

1223
01:07:43,620 --> 01:07:48,820
be effective to start with but 
it might eventually be effective

1224
01:07:48,820 --> 01:07:50,260
later? 
I don't know what the answer is 

1225
01:07:50,260 --> 01:07:52,900
there I get you know let let me 
let me ask this last question 

1226
01:07:52,900 --> 01:07:54,500
for you. 
Who do you think starts at 

1227
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:56,700
quarterback for Indiana in that 
game? 

1228
01:07:57,050 --> 01:08:01,570
I was hoping you weren't gonna 
ask me this, because I there is.

1229
01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:08,410
You have to at least give some 
consideration to Dexter Williams

1230
01:08:08,410 --> 01:08:10,650
being in in in the situation, 
right? 

1231
01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:14,410
Well, like he gets. 
Alan gets asked last night I I 

1232
01:08:14,410 --> 01:08:17,050
asked Monday and I'm like, I'm 
like how close is he? 

1233
01:08:17,609 --> 01:08:20,490
We we see him dress up in pads 
every single week but he's 

1234
01:08:20,490 --> 01:08:22,890
listed as out. 
How close is he And And Alan 

1235
01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:26,279
says he's getting closer. 
Then he comes off the out 

1236
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:30,600
section of the availability 
report last yesterday and is 

1237
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,160
listed as questionable and he's 
available on an emergency 

1238
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:38,160
status, but he's also on the 
sideline like calling plays. 

1239
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,800
He's got the hat on he, you know
he's he's essentially in a coach

1240
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,880
role yesterday. 
But then afterwards he's asked 

1241
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:49,680
again, was he available? 
And you know it it Where is he 

1242
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:54,970
now that? 
You he contradicts himself from 

1243
01:08:54,970 --> 01:08:56,770
the earlier answers and he's 
like well we're not going to 

1244
01:08:56,770 --> 01:08:58,770
rotate quarterbacks anymore. 
We're going to name a guy after 

1245
01:08:58,770 --> 01:09:02,170
this week which good luck with 
that if if that's your if that's

1246
01:09:02,170 --> 01:09:06,010
your barometer you're you're 
going to name a guy this week 

1247
01:09:06,010 --> 01:09:07,210
and you're not going to rotate 
anymore. 

1248
01:09:07,410 --> 01:09:11,569
But then you say Monday that you
believe Dexter Williams can help

1249
01:09:11,569 --> 01:09:17,130
you win football games this year
and yesterday say that he's 

1250
01:09:17,130 --> 01:09:21,399
getting closer and. 
Expect him to be available or 

1251
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,160
should be ready in the next week
or two. 

1252
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,160
Well, are you going to really 
throw them out there against 

1253
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,399
Penn State? 
I don't know. 

1254
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:33,520
Or if he's ready next. 
If he's ready come Saturday 

1255
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,200
against Rutgers is is that your 
like what? 

1256
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:38,800
What is it? 
What is he doing in practice? 

1257
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,240
I don't know. 
But I think you could 

1258
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:46,880
legitimately flip a coin on on 
all three of them and be like. 

1259
01:09:47,890 --> 01:09:52,370
You know, that's the guy. 
But I would say there's there's 

1260
01:09:53,130 --> 01:09:56,170
got to be at least consideration
for Dexter Williams. 

1261
01:09:57,730 --> 01:10:02,250
Keep in mind, last year Indiana 
loses that game to Rutgers at 

1262
01:10:02,250 --> 01:10:07,370
home and the next week the game.
I don't know if this is a quirk 

1263
01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:09,690
of scheduling, but that last 
year they're at Rutgers. 

1264
01:10:09,930 --> 01:10:13,410
The next game is November 5th 
and it's at home versus Penn 

1265
01:10:13,410 --> 01:10:15,090
State. 
And that was the first time we 

1266
01:10:15,090 --> 01:10:18,110
saw Dexter Williams get some run
at quarterback. 

1267
01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:23,510
He was four for 11 in that game 
throwing, which is not a good 

1268
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:26,150
percentage, and he threw 2 
interceptions in that game as 

1269
01:10:26,150 --> 01:10:28,190
well. 
But he, you know, he ran the 

1270
01:10:28,190 --> 01:10:32,070
ball four times for 24 yards. 
So he did play in that game. 

1271
01:10:32,190 --> 01:10:36,870
He and then he he played the 
next week against Ohio State and

1272
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:39,990
was you know the starter in that
game and did throw 2 touchdown 

1273
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:42,870
passes but was only 6 for 19 and
then had to leave. 

1274
01:10:43,260 --> 01:10:45,660
I think at one point later on in
the game, if I have the 

1275
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:48,620
chronology correct in that one 
or maybe Basilac started and he 

1276
01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:50,900
came in after. 
I have to go back and check that

1277
01:10:50,900 --> 01:10:54,620
my my memory failed on that one.
But but the idea that Dexter 

1278
01:10:54,620 --> 01:10:57,300
Williams would get thrown into 
the mix against a good opponent 

1279
01:10:57,300 --> 01:11:00,820
like Penn State is not out of 
the realm of possibility because

1280
01:11:00,820 --> 01:11:04,780
it happened last year. 
But as you said, I, it does feel

1281
01:11:04,780 --> 01:11:08,060
like the Dexter Williams thing 
has been hovering around over 

1282
01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:11,310
the course of the really the 
whole offseason and into the 

1283
01:11:11,310 --> 01:11:14,990
first part of the year. 
And it just kind of feels like 

1284
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:16,550
when he's ready, they're going 
to put him in. 

1285
01:11:16,910 --> 01:11:19,990
And that's concerning because 
he's a completely different type

1286
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:22,470
of quarterback that does very 
different things from the guys 

1287
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:25,470
that they have been doing, 
playing with and the offensive 

1288
01:11:25,470 --> 01:11:26,870
system that they have been 
running. 

1289
01:11:27,710 --> 01:11:29,870
This was a concern we talked 
about very early on. 

1290
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:32,510
I don't know I, but I will be 
fascinated by that. 

1291
01:11:32,510 --> 01:11:33,870
Like if I had to put a bat on 
it. 

1292
01:11:34,770 --> 01:11:36,610
It's the biggest storyline this 
week. 

1293
01:11:36,850 --> 01:11:39,450
If I had to put out a bet on it,
I think Soresby will probably 

1294
01:11:39,450 --> 01:11:43,410
start with the idea that if they
have to bench him to go to 

1295
01:11:43,410 --> 01:11:47,490
somebody, they probably go to 
Dexter Williams if he's healthy.

1296
01:11:48,090 --> 01:11:51,410
But I think that won't work for 
a variety of reasons. 

1297
01:11:51,410 --> 01:11:53,930
We'll see. 
But it's one of those things 

1298
01:11:53,930 --> 01:11:56,570
where it wouldn't shock me if 
that was the the the way that 

1299
01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:59,490
things went down. 
Going back to last season, that 

1300
01:11:59,490 --> 01:12:03,210
Penn State game was out of the 
bye week and Jack Tuttle started

1301
01:12:03,210 --> 01:12:06,810
that game, who was already in 
the transfer portal was 

1302
01:12:06,810 --> 01:12:09,450
essentially giving the 
opportunity to get some film on 

1303
01:12:09,450 --> 01:12:11,570
him, to be able to transfer 
somewhere. 

1304
01:12:11,930 --> 01:12:14,770
Then the offensive line, he gets
mauled behind the offensive 

1305
01:12:14,770 --> 01:12:19,850
line, Brendan Soresby goes in 
ahead of Dexter and stinks it 

1306
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:21,850
up. 
And then they bring in Dexter, 

1307
01:12:21,850 --> 01:12:25,490
and he wasn't much better 
either, but at least showed a 

1308
01:12:25,490 --> 01:12:27,730
little bit of something to where
they're like, OK, they've got. 

1309
01:12:28,170 --> 01:12:31,090
They've got a guy for the last 
three games. 

1310
01:12:33,210 --> 01:12:36,130
I I man, I don't. 
I'm glad I'm not. 

1311
01:12:36,650 --> 01:12:38,410
It's gonna be. 
It's gonna be quite a week in 

1312
01:12:38,410 --> 01:12:39,970
terms to try to figure all this 
out anyway. 

1313
01:12:40,210 --> 01:12:43,490
There's gonna be quite a it's 
going to be quite a week because

1314
01:12:45,010 --> 01:12:49,250
you you look back at the body of
work that Tavin Jackson has and 

1315
01:12:49,530 --> 01:12:52,050
how much of it do you attribute 
to him just being young and 

1316
01:12:52,050 --> 01:12:56,680
trying to develop which? 
I think that's been detrimental 

1317
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,320
to him all season long where 
either of the guys where it was 

1318
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,840
like, well, they weren't given 
the chance to be the guy right 

1319
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,920
away and take first team reps 
the entire time. 

1320
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:09,160
And now they're they're playing 
musical chairs at quarterback 

1321
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:13,640
against top level defenses in 
games that count. 

1322
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:19,000
You know, there's there's just a
lot of mismanagement with that. 

1323
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:23,600
So to I think then factor in 
another option. 

1324
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:30,150
There's there's the My first 
thought would not be positive 

1325
01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:34,070
towards, well, maybe they'll get
this decision right because they

1326
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:36,870
haven't got the other decisions 
right so far. 

1327
01:13:37,390 --> 01:13:40,350
So I'm not sure it'll be pretty 
wild. 

1328
01:13:40,350 --> 01:13:42,910
We'll see what happens. 
I've kept you on way too long 

1329
01:13:42,910 --> 01:13:44,870
given that you're playing with 
the cold. 

1330
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:47,830
So I really appreciate you 
joining the show and really 

1331
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:51,830
appreciated your insights and 
we'll look forward to reading 

1332
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:53,970
your reporting. 
Where can they find? 

1333
01:13:53,970 --> 01:13:55,530
When? 
Where can the folks find you on 

1334
01:13:55,530 --> 01:14:00,010
on X and elsewhere? 
They can find me on Twitter at 

1335
01:14:00,010 --> 01:14:03,290
MVSON Williams. 
We've talked about this, but 

1336
01:14:03,290 --> 01:14:07,210
it's just the a upside down to 
AV thought I was thought I was 

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slick with that in high school, 
but no at Mason Williams with 

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the V on Twitter. 
And then also you can find my 

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reporting and all of our work at
the hoosier.com. 

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It's Indiana's rival site. 
We've got a lot of basketball 

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content coming out this week 
with Hoosier Hysteria got some 

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football content coming out 
still as as we've got the rest 

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of the season to still go 
through. 

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So yeah busy season is upon us. 
It's crossover E season now. 

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So but yeah, no, I appreciate, 
appreciate you having me on as 

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always. 
And I am sad we didn't get to 

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talk. 
I know, yeah I promised that and

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then we didn't deliver, but we 
we did need to take care of 

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stuff in house. 
But we'll get you back on. 

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Washington is going to be a 
fascinating story and I think 

1351
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everybody in Hoosier land is 
following that. 

1352
01:14:57,380 --> 01:14:59,300
So we'll talk about that later 
on in the season. 

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So anyway, Mason Williams from 
thehoosier.com, thanks for 

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joining us and thanks to all you
folks for tuning in. 

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01:15:04,380 --> 01:15:06,500
Thanks to our friends at Home 
Field Apparel, our presenting 

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01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:08,940
sponsor. 
Thanks to our friends across the

1357
01:15:08,940 --> 01:15:10,940
back home network, Big week for 
basketball. 

1358
01:15:10,940 --> 01:15:14,380
Be sure to check it out all our 
podcasts on the feed for that, 

1359
01:15:14,700 --> 01:15:16,620
for all those folks. 
And for Scott, who's in the 

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Caymans, I'm Galen Clavio saying
thanks for joining us. 

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01:15:19,020 --> 01:15:21,140
We'll catch you folks. 
On the flip side, bring back the

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Bison song, everybody.